From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 00:48:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23217; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 00:44:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 00:44:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 00:42:50 -0500 From: Alessandro Ricciarelli Subject: RE: Repeater Demo's Sender: Alessandro Ricciarelli To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: <200102010043_MC2-C3DC-7744@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id AAA23191 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great work! I looked at the Namm show video, and I just want to make sure: is it really possible to divide the whole loop into tracks? (Near the end of the demonstration, he said something like: "now just the drum track", and the elements he had added later, keyboard, vocals etc. dropped out, and we were hearing just the drum loop) Was I dreaming this? Peace, Alessandro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 01:05:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23653; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 01:02:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 01:02:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010131215757.01e9f6f0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:01:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: RE: Repeater Demo's In-Reply-To: <200102010043_MC2-C3DC-7744@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alessandro Ricciarelli (09:42 PM 01.31.2001) wrote: >Great work! > >I looked at the Namm show video, and I just want to make sure: is it really >possible to divide the whole loop into tracks? (Near the end of the >demonstration, he said something like: "now just the drum track", and the >elements he had added later, keyboard, vocals etc. dropped out, and we were >hearing just the drum loop) Repeater has 4 mono tracks (also configurable as two stereo tracks), each with their own record/playback level. What the demonstrator was referring to was that he had recorder the drums on one track, the bass on another, the pad on one more, and the vocals on the last. If I remember right, the guitar was over-dubbed onto one of the tracks, and the bass was over-dubbed into another. At the end, he's referring to isolating the drum track by turning down the track volume of the others. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 02:19:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25070; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 02:17:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 02:17:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 07:41:14 +0000 Subject: Re: 9 discs From: Victor and Jess To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200101311436.JAA05634@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could not resist this - Desert Island Strange Meeting - Power Tools OHM electronic music set Ruth is stranger than Richard - Robert Wyatt (and smuggle in Relationship of Command - At the Drive In) Road Trip Psychocandy - Jesus and Mary Chain Easy Listening - Sugar Best of - Burt Bacharach (with a Stevie Wonder compilation lurking behind the back seat by accident) Actually, maybe just Easy Listening on a continuous loop, back to back with Bacharach. Gift The Big Gundown - Zorn Lookout for Hope - Frisell Arch Duo - Derek Bailey/Evan Parker (wrapped in the cover from Climate of Hunter LP - Scott Walker - with the LP lying around somewhere handy) (Oh and from Steve L - > Frisell - the live > bootleg from Radio 3 that i've got and victor wants... :o) looking forward to it mate!) Naturally, in the spirit of Nick Hornby and Hi Fidelity, this list will have changed by tomorrow morning...) victor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 02:28:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25563; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 02:26:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 02:26:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bd01c08b5a$9351c120$4b81e3a5@poo> From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" To: References: <200101312244.RAA07792@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: On the subject of drum machines in looping performances Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:51:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since we've drifted onto the subject of drum machines: I saw one of Max Valentino's first looping performances at on of the first Santa Cruz Looping Festivals over a year ago. On that particular night, every artist (there were three) who played used an Alesis SR 16 drum machine to augment their tracks. To give Max credit, he was the only one who radically processed his tracks to get away from that generic "we thought up and recorded these samples back at the end of the 1980's" Alesis sound (great composing machine............whyyyyyyyyyyyy don't they put some hip new sounds into that puppy and yet they continue to sell brand new.........you tell me). With three artists using the same machine, it was, frankly, a little stultefying. Anyway, afterwards, I suggested to Max in an e-mail that he try to exploit his basses for ALL of the sounds that he would use for his 'drum' sounds, knowing, personally, that I would find that more interesting. Well, at this last show, I was blown away to see him take it to heart and I thought the results were very, very cool. If anyone happened to be at both of those performances it would be interesting to see if they had the same feedback. Another interesting thing that I have stumbled upon in drum machine programming for looping gigs: I think most musicians feel that the drum machine, lacking any intrinsic 'energy' of it's own should therefore be augmented by the use of more elaborate programming. I have found the complete opposite to be the case. I have found that the more minimimalist the drum groove, the more that it hints at the 'funk' or 'soul' of the piece. In a way, it's like using more open ended guitar or keyboard chords so that the soloist has a lot more options for soloing, Consequently, I have discovered that as long as 'kick' sounds or substitutes and 'snare' sounds or substitutes and 'hi hat' sounds or substitutes are used, that the simpler the groove is(as long as it gets across the syncopative or non-synocpative rhythm intended) the more effective, the 'drums' are in the piece. If we just basically need low end , midrange (whitenoisey) and treble percussive sounds (a basic drumset) it becomes pretty simple to exploit our instruments for ersatz drum sounds. I once saw a very creative show where the drummer used one large industrial water bottle as a kind of conga. It only produces a bass sound and a snare sound (figuratively speaking, of course) and I never got bored with it during the whole show. Any body have some creative ideas they want to share about their faked drum sounds or percussion noises? One last little aside (if you still are reading): A great source for drum machine sounds are the really cheap and old fashioned analogue pre-programmed drum machine rhythms in old keyboards (casios, yamahas, wurlitzers, hammonds, roland, etc.) Take one of these rhythms (many of which are sampled at the drum computer website: http://www.drummachine.com/newpages/sounds.html and process it with flanger, harmonizers, filters, wah wah pedals, distortions, bad microphones, etc. and you can come up with some very creative percussion ideas that don't sound hackneyed. I have a large collection (25 or so) of these old drum machines and, with the exception of my Roland TR-808 (which I paid $400 for back in the day) I never have paid more than $60 apiece for any single one. Many I have found for $5 or $10 at the local flea market. I love them, but they are all sampled already at the aforementioned site (dowloadable for free). Happy drumming, non-drummers!! Rick (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 02:57:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26312; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 02:55:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 02:55:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b501c08c24$8a2ead40$337c0d98@uncg.edu> Reply-To: "insect politics" From: "insect politics" To: References: Subject: Re: 9 discs Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 02:56:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <3rlJ2.A.7aG.AZRe6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, this is a pretty cushy desert island, what with the hifi and what i'm guessing is a solar power hookup to power this mystically present stereo. :P couldn't resist Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 05:53:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA28999; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 05:49:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 05:49:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010201104805.3788.qmail@web5105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 02:48:05 -0800 (PST) From: Alx Subject: Repeater memory (& Suggestions for more demos) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010131215757.01e9f6f0@mail.redmoon-music.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The repeater manual says that Repeater has 8Mb of internal memory, that´s about 46 sec. on Stereo/ 23 sec. of double stereo or 11.5 sec. per mono track on 16-bit 44khz sample rate but the manual also says: "INTERNAL MEMORY is limited to 8MB which translates to about 1.5 minutes of record time", stereo?, per track?, if it´s in stereo that means that internal memory compress the audio in some way or uses a different sample rate ´cause the manual also says: "Loops on the CFC are in .WAV file format", that means that internally are not?, if you use one CFC of 256 Mb you´ll get about 25.6 minutes of stereo sampling/ 12.8 min. of double stereo or 6.4 minutes per mono track, then on the Electrix web page says: "Repeater comes bundled with a 16 MB Compact Flash card to complement the 8 MB internal memory. 24 MB means 4.5 "track" minutes", if they´re using 16bit-44khz sample rate then the 4.5 minutes of each mono track should eat 22.5Mb, or am I wrong?. I think they mean 4.5 minutes of total mono time (1.5 total mono time on the internal memory), or: 2.25 minutes of stereo or 57 sec. per track, rigth?. Is it possible when you´re looping live to have Repeater record the loops on the CFC too?, ´cause I think 46 sec. of stereo sampling or 11.5 sec. per mono track is too short for a song, even 1.5 minutes of mono time, the EDP lets you have about 3.3 minutes, right?. Also in the manual: "The range of the tempo control is limited by the speed of the storage device. Most CFC will have a tempo range of -200% through +50%. Using internal memory insures a range of -200% through +100%", I think it would be cool to hear some demos with loops stored on the CFC and see how fast they perform the time stretching and pitch shifting, also make the Repeater to follow an external midi clock source to hear how the time stretching follows that midi clock, also do some demos alternating different loops like on the Jam Man or EDP Alx __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 06:04:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA29352; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 06:01:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 06:01:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 05:58:28 EST Subject: Re: White Noise / Buckethead / Can To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 23 Resent-Message-ID: <1ctGC.A.CKH.-FUe6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Buckethead's real name is Brian Schroeder...actually Buck's real name is Brian Carroll not Schroeder. I think Schroeder is the keyboard player in Peanuts. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 07:48:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30902; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 07:44:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 07:44:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ae01c08c4d$06078360$77c5d9c1@s500865> From: "mark francombe red" To: References: <47.6daa5b9.27aa3d37@aol.com> Subject: New Desert Island Challenge! Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:46:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com CAUTION BIG MAIL!!! I think the listing of our fave records is a great thing, cos it shows what a diverse bunch we are, but with the occasional suprising simerlarities, (the my life in the bush of ghosts album turns up quite a bit...should have been on my list too, many others!) Some records I have never heard of and am interested to hear WHY so, if anyones interested or has the time, a new challenge... So you have your nine favorite records, but on the island is a tribe of cannibals and they take your records in exchange for NOT eating you, but they agree that you may keep ONE! But you have to say WHY!!! Where did you hear it first. What you like about it. What it sounds like (for those of us that dont know) AND (to keep it relevant to the list) in what way it pertains to looping! However obscure! So I'll get the ball rolling. As this idea was inspired by... > And Mark Francombe is correct, Can's "Tago Mago" IS the best album, ever. > Discuss. "Tago Mago" By Can, It is then! The first thing is that its one of those records that when you play it to someone else they go "When was it recorded?" and you go 1971 and they go "WHAT???" Its like it has no references from music of the era. Its so restrained in one way, not a show-off musician among them and yet, they let rip, rock out and freak out at the same time. Its inpired SO many musicians from varous different genres, from techno artists to punks! John Lydon (Pistols), Sean Rider (Happy Mondays) Thurston Moore (Sonic Youth)many DJ's. I first heard it in Art Class at school, around 1976, we were all listening to Clash, Buzcocks, and a bit of Dub Reggae, when this hippy girl put it on... I freaked and went to buy EVERYTHING by them, she also suggested Gong tho!, which was a big mistake! I like that it can be a late night chillin' ambient record, but if you turn it up or play it at a club it becomes different somehow, more dancey, summery, groovy, funky! What does it sound like? Well its best to remember that it was originally a double album (CD Version Spoon CD 006/7 is squished onto one CD) and the first album was the er... songs and the second album was the weird stuff. Basically its all improvised and editted down by the bass player Holger Czukay. Each band member has a sound that is unique and inspiring that ...well... just seem to go together so well! Holgers bass is simple, funky, But not too funky, a real groove, tad reggae. Michael Karolis guitar is all over the place, changing from subtle finger picking, choppy rythymic chords to screeching distortion in a second. Irmin Schmits keys are the most ambient thing there, they wash over the music, massivly effected organs, you dont even realise he's there most of the time, except when there is a sudden spike of ring modulated noise digging you in the guts when you least expect it. Damo Suzuki is a genius vocalist, not lyricist I must point out, his rambling surreal sentances weave in and out of the album, some lines reappear in other songs, he shuts up when needed and lets the band get on with it, jumps back in and gets them back on track. then on album two, he takes some drug or other and becomes... oh god!!!! Monks chanting, crazed lunatics babbling, speaking in tongues, Islamic chants, murmering priests in confessional...OK enough! AND the whole thing is driven by the utterly fantastic drumming of Jaki Liebezeit. He combines burundi drummers with Drum and Bass with funky drummer. His beats are like two trains racing, their rythums interlinking then polyrythmic. So tight, he keeps the whole band in order, but allows spaces for them to add beats and stabs. Looping wise, there is no specific looping technology going on here, but it was the first really expressive use of delay feedback which is used many times on the album, sometimes for effect swooshes somtimes for doubling the rhythum parts. More than that though, the whole album is a looper album, it deals with repetition and trance-states, and almost Mantra like grooves. Its starts with... "Paperhouse", which is like an intro song really, this is what you can expect from the whole album in one short song. "Mushroom" follows, slow, weirder, spiky laid back for a while, then Bang! screech!! then back to laid back slow fade and BOOOM! an atomic bomb goes off!!! As the dust is settling... "Oh Yeah" slowly fades in fom the background, a psychedelic journey into the sun, backwards vocals, ambient pads over the repetitous groove from bass and drums. Then comes the master opus... "Halleluwah" which took one whole side of vinyl on the original. Unexpainable, BUY IT! And then to the weird shit... "Augmn" is freaky and really out there... the first half is like they are trying out stuff which all comes together in one crazed moment when a dog barks and an oscillator swoops and the tribal drumming kicks in! Maybe the dog was barking cos the tone was in its hearing range and not ours but over the next few minutes the tone slowly swoops back up again the only accomaniment to the drumming! "Peking O" is another experiment, its echoed beginning building to free jazz and suddenly crashing as a stupid, almost silly bossa nova thing comes in and everyone in the room laughs and relaxes after wondering whether or not to say something for a few moments during the weirdness. The album finishes with... "Bring me Coffee or Tea" which is just sweet, lazy. The freakyness of the second album over you can relax and enjoy youself, its like the final jam the band have after the album is finished and they should really pack up their gear and go home, a bit of a mess, but hey, you can hear the smiles on the faces of the band as they come to the end. I'm smiling too! Sorry this ended up being quite an essay, I'm on holiday lying on the beach in Phuket, listening to "Can" on my minidisk while I write! My girlfriend just handed me something so I'll stop. If anyone else is up to the challenge, please dont feel you have to write as much, just a few lines, but be personal please, Mark PS: Whens the repeater coming out? ... DOH!! Sorry! Mark Francombe Red mark.francombe@mogul.com http://www.8day.com/redweb/ ICQ: 4531031 (Please dont send .exe files (zip them 1st) my mail server bites them chews them up and sends me a rude message!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 10:00:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00652; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 09:56:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 09:56:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c08c5d$edfea670$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 09:47:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <-Ei02.A.pJ.QjXe6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, Max, for your response. The DL4 certainly looks like a nice little looper. I gots a couple 'o mo' questions! I'm still trying to figure out what happens when you exceed the max loop time while recording. Can anybody confirm that it automatically goes into PLAY mode? Also, is overdub mode indicated by the RECORD/OVERDUB LED flashing? And finally, is there any indication of the loop end / beginning ala Boomerang LED flashing? I appreciate any help and info. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 10:39:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01590; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:36:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:36:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: 9 discs To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 09:31:02 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 02/01/2001 09:31:03 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, I'd just hold the disc into the sun and spin it on my finger, reading the tiny divits. I've become pretty good at this, though I can't spin it at 7000 rpm, so everything reads much slower. Like 3 BPM. "insect politics" To: Subject: Re: 9 discs 02/01/01 01:56 AM Please respond to "insect politics" Wow, this is a pretty cushy desert island, what with the hifi and what i'm guessing is a solar power hookup to power this mystically present stereo. :P couldn't resist Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 11:05:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02284; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:02:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:02:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 16:03:51 +0000 Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000501c08c5d$edfea670$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When it comes to the end of the record loop it goes into play without a glitch. You can then O/D by hitting the switch. The record light goes on when in O/D I believe. The playback light blinks when the loop cycles around. I think you can probably take people's vagueness as to the workings of the DL-4 as an indication of it's user friendliness. For the $ the DL-4 is a no brainer, run, don't walk to the store and get one. It's an excellent (and in some ways unique) looper at any price. Make sure you get the control pedal, it opens huge potential for it. Martin Shellard > From: "Dennis Leas" > I'm still trying to figure out what happens when you exceed the max loop > time while recording. Can anybody confirm that it automatically goes into > PLAY mode? > > Also, is overdub mode indicated by the RECORD/OVERDUB LED flashing? > > And finally, is there any indication of the loop end / beginning ala > Boomerang LED flashing? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 11:34:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02863; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:31:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:31:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001101c08bd1$3ec69000$780c78d8@com> References: <001101c08bd1$3ec69000$780c78d8@com> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:22:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Turn All That S**t Off Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >When people go to see their favorite dance/pop artist and they use prepared audio (lip sync, MIDI/sampled background, et al), are they disappointed? Nah, no one seemed all that upset when Rob and Fab were discovered...:) rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 11:36:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03046; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:33:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:33:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Todd Quincy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Greg Dulli Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:32:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fans of raw emotion and the beauty of music as art should check out the Twilight Singers!!! Todd Quincy "Greg Dulli is one of the few songwriters I am truly in awe of. Nobody can sing out of tune that well. 1965 almost made it to my list also." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 12:24:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04143; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:20:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:20:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c08c72$afc5a560$510c78d8@com> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <001101c08bd1$3ec69000$780c78d8@com> Subject: Cheating (was: Turn All That S**t Off) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 09:16:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" > >When people go to see their favorite dance/pop artist and they use prepared > audio (lip sync, MIDI/sampled background, et al), are they disappointed? > > Nah, no one seemed all that upset when Rob and Fab were discovered...:) > > rich OK, so it's fraud if the artist is not actually responsible for the initial performance--Like Martha Wash's "Everybody Dance Now" lick from "Gonna Make You Sweat"--if an attempt is made to depict the artist simulating the performance (Like Paul Simon's video for "Call Me Al"--although this performance is tongue in cheek). But not Moby's "Play", with all its African American samples, because he's not lip syncing. This, then, has to do with the impact on the audience of audio generated by the performing artist. My question is this: Do you think the audience can discriminate between multilayer audio generated onstage thru the use of delay and that which is prepared beforehand? I think that with the Repeater being able to store samples on the CRCs, it's going to be awfully tempting to include prepared audio--in fact, isn't that how this thread got started? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 12:31:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04647; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:28:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:28:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2d.6d0f35d.27a9ecf1@aol.com> References: <2d.6d0f35d.27a9ecf1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:34:29 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: ST.VALINTINES DAY MASSACRE.....gig spam.....pittsburgh pa Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: ST.VALINTINES DAY MASSACRE.....gig spam.....pittsb
....this will be my first "live/paying" performance since about
1975.............michael

I am impressed.......... and wish you a lot of inspiration!
Matthias
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         ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 12:31:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04645; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:28:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:28:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008c01c08bc7$0bae50e0$b0ae5cd1@-> References: <008c01c08bc7$0bae50e0$b0ae5cd1@-> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:34:29 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Integrity of Performance and the Sample Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1-xW8.A.5HB.tyZe6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill said: > >Carry the minimum amount of gear to save your back. Makes setup and >tear down a snap and the gig will be much more pleasant for you. If >you're having fun or sweating bullets, the audience will pick up on >your condition and respond >accordingly. And bring a looper just for fun! Thats my style, too. All has to fit in the trunk of the car (including a pair of Tannoys). There is only the guitar and a little drum machine. Bass is done with Octividing (Polysubbass) or pitch shifting. Percussive sounds on the guitar as well. If thats not enough, use a GuitarToMIDI. Use voice and whistling and small stuff on one mic. (I had a small mic that made a great kick sound when I hit it :-) And an electric ClayPot for drumming! A friend of mine has given up shows because he needs a truck for all his expanders (some just for one specific sound) and mixers and his studio is only acessible through a spiral stairs (the worst way to use spirals :-)... so sad... I could never use prerecorded things. Even the drum programms hurt me. I recently saw me typing in a converation with Claudio Nucci: >Ao vivo eh que a gente ve quem eh quem..... :-) Sim, ai sai musica, gravacao so serve para lembrar ou criar espectativas :-) [ live we see who is who... :-) Yes, then music comes. Recording only serves to remember or to create expectations. ] Quality may not depend on how much prerecorded material sounds on stage, but on how much freedom and time is left for the player to channel and express... Gary said: >The very biggest reason I got into using electronics is that I can generate >accompaniment without the inconvenience of rehearsing/paying other fellow >musicians. Nothing wrong with it, partners bodies need ressources and their minds may interfere with what we want to do, but we have to be aware that we loose their souls power. Even a percussionist that just hits the triangle constantely brings some essence to stage, I can feel that a lot on concerts here. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 12:32:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04648; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:29:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:29:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:34:29 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: 9 discs (Christy bands) Cc: cdoran@centralnet.ch Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Victors choice was: >Desert Island > >Strange Meeting - Power Tools >OHM electronic music set I think you refer to the swiss band... I just wanted to inform that its guitarist Christy Doran tours with a very interesting band called NEW BAG and is into loops as well! http://www.christydoran.ch/ >Ruth is stranger than Richard - Robert Wyatt >(and smuggle in Relationship of Command - At the Drive In) > > >Road Trip > >Psychocandy - Jesus and Mary Chain >Easy Listening - Sugar >Best of - Burt Bacharach >(with a Stevie Wonder compilation lurking behind the back seat by accident) >Actually, maybe just Easy Listening on a continuous loop, back to back with >Bacharach. > >Gift >The Big Gundown - Zorn >Lookout for Hope - Frisell >Arch Duo - Derek Bailey/Evan Parker >(wrapped in the cover from Climate of Hunter LP - Scott Walker - with the LP >lying around somewhere handy) > > >(Oh and from Steve L - > >> Frisell - the live >> bootleg from Radio 3 that i've got and victor wants... :o) > >looking forward to it mate!) > > >Naturally, in the spirit of Nick Hornby and Hi Fidelity, this list will have >changed by tomorrow morning...) > >victor -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 12:42:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05987; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:39:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:39:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: Cheating (was: Turn All That S**t Off) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:34:27 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 02/01/2001 11:34:27 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2ulAiC.A.8cB.H8Ze6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I think that with the Repeater being able to store samples on the CRCs, it's going to be awfully tempting to include prepared audio--in fact, isn't that how this thread got started?< I will interject and say that this was not my intention with the Repeater, but rather to use it as a real-time multi-track loop recorder. With individual outs, I could record integral, but largely foundational tracks and all their variations, muting, swelling and fading them as necessary. If I was just going to use the CRC function, I'd just play tracks off a CD or my computer. The deal is, I DON'T want to do that. Question, though: how have audiences reacted to loops in your experience? Do they need to be educated? "What I'm doing now is playing this figure, and it runs into this little machine that repeats it indefiniely." Does the initial visual of you playing the first iteration of the loop suffice--provided that you go onto other portions of the performance? Are there cases where you might have exagerated the effort in tweaking your machines to effect a visual stimulus? Waving your hands conjurer/theremin-like when it really only required a quarter turn of one knob? Where does showmanship stop and charlatanry begin? I don't mean to start another philospohical thread, though I've enjoyed them. Remember: this is a festival. In front of college students. Who will be drinking beer. A lot of beer. And they're there for a show. The reality is, the emotive art quotient of the performance in this situation cannot stand by itself. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 12:45:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06531; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:42:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:42:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.82.87.64] From: "Peter Underwood" To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Integrity of Performance and the Sample Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 10:41:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2001 17:41:32.0931 (UTC) FILETIME=[375DFD30:01C08C76] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: "Jon Wagner" >Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Integrity of Performance and the Sample >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:22:57 -0000 > >>But then I took it one step further: I began using my acoustic bass guitar >>more for solo/loop stuff, and began playing the body of the bass as a >>percussion instrument and making loops in real time with that. Now I >>prepare the bass with aligator clips for faux gamelan type sounds, use >>chopsticks, different muting techniques, and, of course, sound processing >>to alter the timbres. > >Max, others: > I have found myself in exactly the oposite position! I am a >drummer/percussionist trying to find ways to include melodies and harmonies >in my performance. I am thouroughly opposed to using prerecorded >samples/loops because I passionately believe that live performance is >incredible powerful. So I find myself in the position of wishing for more >melodic possibilities using percussion. I am in conflict between my >minamalist nature and my wish for more molodic possibilities, which keeps >me >from going out and buying a marimba or similar. By minimalist, I mean I >don't believe in thinking that I need to go buy something new so that I can >make _good_ music. I believe that I can make music with whatever I have at >the moment. So I have been working on techniques to get tones out of my >drums. I have also been trying to (gasp!) sing, chant, and use body music >(I never thought I had even a passable voice, but I'm finding ways to use >it). > I would love to hear ideas that other people have in this vein. Max: you >might try some ideas that have worked for me in the past - actually use >your >body to make rhythms. Stomp your feet, clap your hands, slap your knees, >whistle, hum, and make farting noises under your armpit.... Of course this >requires a microphone, but think of the possibilities. I think this sort >of >thing could really endear you to the audience because these are things >everyone can do. Plus you can practice these techniques anywhere! >bye- >jon Jon et all, About ten years ago I band I played in did some shows with a band called Caterwaul. Their drummer was really good. On his kit he included one of those african instruments (and forgive me, I don't know what its called) that consists of a wooden bx with the topcut into differently porportioned wooden tines (used to see them at "Natural Wonders" type stores) anyway, during his solo(s) while playing his rhythms he would maintain a melody on this instrument. Came off as a very cool effect. I realize the consists of the "something new" that you were trying to avoid, but I thought it worth sharing all the same. -skully _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 12:58:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07214; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:55:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:55:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000a01c08c72$afc5a560$510c78d8@com> References: <001101c08bd1$3ec69000$780c78d8@com> <000a01c08c72$afc5a560$510c78d8@com> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:02:13 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Cheating (was: Turn All That S**t Off) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Garys question is this: >Do you think the audience can discriminate between multilayer audio >generated onstage thru the use of delay and that which is prepared >beforehand? Either they can feel the energy you put into the music on the spot... ... or they are not connected and it does not matter at all: play a CD and smile. >I think that with the Repeater being able to store samples on the CRCs, it's >going to be awfully tempting to include prepared audio--in fact, isn't that >how this thread got started? >Gary Important point to me. I was happy we did not have the means to save loops easy so far. I think it helps a lot to study and record, maybe sometimes on stage, but I am scared of prerecorded loop mixing concerts... those could distroy the fascination that we feel about looping at this stage. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 13:03:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07487; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:59:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:59:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Repeater Demo's Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:56:17 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010131215757.01e9f6f0@mail.redmoon-music.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, > At the end, he's referring to isolating the drum track by > turning down the > track volume of the others. Then if what you say is true, then whatever you do to the individual drum track will also affect the other tracks as well and should be noticeable when their respective volumes are returned to normal. Right? Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 13:03:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07763; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:00:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:00:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RGBLA@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:59:35 EST Subject: New EDPs for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 2 new Gibson EDPs, one never even opened, the other used once in a studio situation. Both with footpedals. Both loaded with RAM. Both 5.0 software. Paid $990 each. Any offers? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 13:10:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08243; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:06:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:06:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c08c79$c1feb300$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: <001101c08bd1$3ec69000$780c78d8@com> <000a01c08c72$afc5a560$510c78d8@com> Subject: OT: Computer noise soloutions Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:06:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all- I will be building a rack mount DAW in the near future and am looking for resources for quiet power supplies and other PC related hardware- I am aware of the obvious "build a sound proof enclosure" but this is going to be impractical for me in the beginning- Any info you all might have is appreciated- I did find 1 company that has special fans and power supplies but not for 110v current- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 13:11:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08431; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:08:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:08:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 10:06:17 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: RE: Repeater Demo's Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA08379 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> At the end, he's referring to isolating the drum track by turning down the track volume of the others. > Then if what you say is true, then whatever you do to the individual drum track will also affect the other tracks as well and should be noticeable when their respective volumes are returned to normal. Right? Steve Ummm... No. They're on SEPARATE tracks. You can overdub on any of the individual 4 tracks and THAT will appear on that track. You can vary the volume of each track and it's overdubs, mixing the 4 tracks as you please. Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 13:12:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08554; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:09:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:09:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DADD4@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: preparation and processing - - shop talk Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:06:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C08C79.C26515F0" Resent-Message-ID: <0C8IRC.A.nDC.bYae6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08C79.C26515F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>But then I took it one step further: I began using my acoustic bass guitar >>more for solo/loop stuff, and began playing the body of the bass as a >>percussion instrument and making loops in real time with that. Now I >>prepare the bass with aligator clips for faux gamelan type sounds, use >>chopsticks, different muting techniques, and, of course, sound processing >>to alter the timbres. ** yeah. i actually do this sort of thing on my 6-string electric basses (though some see this as *only* sound effects) by using a piezo pickup under the bridge. gives me a lot of body resonance. are you playing the clips with anything? i sometimes strike with a spoon or what-have-you. are you tapping on the fingerboard when using the clips? ever try tambourine tangs? make nice gong sounds . . . is your abg fretted or fretless? stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08C79.C26515F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable preparation and processing - - shop talk

>>But then I took it one step further: I began = using my acoustic bass guitar
>>more for solo/loop stuff, and began playing = the body of the bass as a
>>percussion instrument and making loops in = real time with that.  Now I
>>prepare the bass with aligator clips for = faux gamelan type sounds, use
>>chopsticks, different muting techniques, = and, of course, sound processing
>>to alter the timbres.

** yeah. i actually do this sort of thing on my = 6-string electric basses (though some see this as *only* sound effects) = by using a piezo pickup under the bridge. gives me a lot of body = resonance. are you playing the clips with anything? i sometimes strike = with a spoon or what-have-you. are you tapping on the fingerboard when = using the clips? ever try tambourine tangs? make nice gong sounds . . . = is your abg fretted or fretless?

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C08C79.C26515F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 13:14:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08818; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:11:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:11:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RGBLA@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:09:59 EST Subject: New EDPs fro sale UPDATE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am in the LA, CA. area From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 13:25:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10705; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:20:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:20:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010201101522.01e8b6f0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 10:18:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: RE: Repeater Demo's In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010131215757.01e9f6f0@mail.redmoon-music.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com M. Steven Ginn (09:56 AM 02/01/01) wrote: >Mark, > >> At the end, he's referring to isolating the drum track by >> turning down the track volume of the others. > >Then if what you say is true, then whatever you do to the individual >drum track will also affect the other tracks as well and should be >noticeable when their respective volumes are returned to normal. Right? I'll have to look at the demo again to see what he's showing, but tempo changes on Repeater are global across tracks, pitch changes can happen per track, and effects can be applied per track. So, (for example) if the demo is showing pitching the drums, then when the levels are brought back up, the other tracks will be just as they were. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 13:39:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11317; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:35:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:35:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c08c7f$07fc89e0$0300a8c0@foothilltransit.org> From: "phalen orion" To: References: Subject: Re: OT: Integrity of Performance and the Sample Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:44:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's called a "slit log" drum. Best, The Wrong Jon aka phalen180 << Jon et all, About ten years ago I band I played in did some shows with a band called Caterwaul. Their drummer was really good. On his kit he included one of those african instruments (and forgive me, I don't know what its called) that consists of a wooden bx with the topcut into differently porportioned wooden tines (used to see them at "Natural Wonders" type stores) anyway, during his solo(s) while playing his rhythms he would maintain a melody on this instrument. Came off as a very cool effect. I realize the consists of the "something new" that you were trying to avoid, but I thought it worth sharing all the same. -skully >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 13:39:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11322; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:35:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:35:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:39:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: 9 discs (Christy bands) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Victors choice was: > >>Desert Island >> >>Strange Meeting - Power Tools >>OHM electronic music set > >I think you refer to the swiss band... I just wanted to inform that >its guitarist Christy Doran tours with a very interesting band called >NEW BAG and is into loops as well! >http://www.christydoran.ch/ I think he actually means the OHM: Early Gurus of Electronic Music box set (which also has nothing to do with the German band Guru Guru). But, funny that Doran's name should come up here. I just found out yesterday that I am probably running sound for him for a show in May, Doran with Robert Dick on flutes and Steve Arguelles on drums, the ADD Trio. From the stage plot, it appears that all the players are using some sort of live processing, each requires stereo DI's as well as mics. I saw Doran a few years ago, and he was doing some very sophisticated looping (for the time) with a pair of Roland rack mount digital delays. I'm really looking forward to this show! ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 13:58:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12394; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:53:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:53:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <382236994.981053540761.JavaMail.root@web617-ec.mail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:52:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian Thomson, Dublin IE" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 9 Albums Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 207.18.199.196 Resent-Message-ID: <_Yjg8.A.EBD.jBbe6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DI: - Yes: Yessongs - Smashing Pumpkins: Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness - David Sylvian: Everything and Nothing Road Trip: - U2: Achtung Baby - Rush: Exit Stage Left - Marillion: Afraid of Sunlight Gifts for Friends: - Robert Fripp: November Suite - Splattercell: OAH (some of my friends need their "third eyes" calibrated...) - Satie: Piano Works - any good recording (huh? will they still be friends afterwards?) Be nice... pleae 8{= Brian Thomson, Dublin IE bnt@email.com (ceci n'est pas un .sig) ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 14:08:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13118; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:04:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:04:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 12:59:33 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: LOOPING to CIRCLES to LOOPING To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <03bc01c08c81$1dc31d50$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <200101292114.QAA21938@hemlock.violacea.com> <00f601c0899b$6cf36300$0389e3a5@poo> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > PS I've told these anecdotes so many times to students and young artists > that I know who were worried about > people accepting their works that I have completely lost the source material > that they came from. Consequently, > I know that I have probably altered each anecdote unconciously. Does > anybody know where these quotes reside in books? I'd love to reacquaint > myself with the 'originals' do you want a more perfect retelling? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 14:22:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13945; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:18:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:18:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:17:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: traig Subject: Re: 9 discs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Desert Island American Prayer - The Doors (made after jim mo's death with incredible production) Get Up With It - Miles Davis (teo macero's production on "he loved him madly" & miles making the trumpet sound like hendrix guitar on "red china blues") Getz/Gilberto - Stan Getz/Joao Gilberto (Perfect music for a tropical island ) Road Trip Maxinquaye - Tricky (to say tricky took hip - hop to another place is a massive understatement) Screaming for Vengence - Judas Priest (to combat road rage w/o hurting anyone) Letter From Home - Pat Metheny (good for watching the sun rise in your windshield) Gifts Dub Rockers Delight - Sly & Robbie (because it is my duty to spread the dub virus) Tripping over God - David Torn (it's amazing that's why) Rio - Duran Duran (an immensely under rated album - both lyrically and musicaly) Smuggled Sketches of Spain - Miles Davis The Next Step - Acid Jazz Compilation Living with the Law - Chris Whitley Revolver - The Beatles Couldn't Stand the Weather - Stevie Ray Vaughan Apollo Soundtrack - Brian Eno/RogerEno/Daniel Lanois Traig Foltz Audio Production Specialist University of Notre Dame Office of Information Technology Office: (219)631 - 3752 Fax: (219) 631 - 8777 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 14:31:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14535; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:27:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:27:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 13:11:51 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: How to place Looper in audio path? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <03e401c08c82$d553f420$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The basis for our project is improvisation. There are no "songs" so to > speak. So we all allow each other the freedom to do whatever it takes to > make us happy;) So taking a minute and a half to switch a few 1 foot patch > cords is no big deal compared to the 3 hour set we prefer to do. And the > music never stops,so while I'm modifying my setup, the others are still > jammin' on. Granted, this may work in my situation and not yours, but I > would imagine that one could pull it off on stage if one knew the diagram > for each individual song, and took 20-30 seconds to make the quick > switch.The other option is to have several aux sends:) > Pete. you could also use a programmable router. switchblade looks pretty cool to me... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 14:46:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15414; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:42:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:42:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:35:23 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Donovan Drake X-Sender: trey@pilgrim To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 9 Albums In-Reply-To: <382236994.981053540761.JavaMail.root@web617-ec.mail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Just joined the list yesterday, and here I jump into the list of 9 albums. (I just had to answer this question recently for a questionaire prior to audition for the Blue Man Group, though they gave me 10 picks.) Desert Island: Hector Zazou, Songs From the Cold Seas David Byrne-Brian Eno, My Life in the Bush of Ghosts Brian Eno, Desert Island Selections Road Trip: Soundtrack of the film "Latcho Drom" Tom Waits, Swordfishtrombones Massive Attack, Mezzanine Gifts: Djivan Gasparayan and Michael Brook, Black Rock Some recently released King Crimson/Fripp anthology Sergei Prokofiev Piano & Violin Sonatas performed by Perlman & Ashkenazy Bonus disk, stick it where you like: Beatles-White Album. -trey From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 14:46:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15721; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:43:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:43:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DADDA@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: 9 discs (Christy bands) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:41:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C08C86.FFB12680" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08C86.FFB12680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" But, funny that Doran's name should come up here. I just found out yesterday that I am probably running sound for him for a show in May, Doran with Robert Dick on flutes and Steve Arguelles on drums, the ADD Trio. From the stage plot, it appears that all the players are using some sort of live processing, each requires stereo DI's as well as mics. I saw Doran a few years ago, and he was doing some very sophisticated looping (for the time) with a pair of Roland rack mount digital delays. I'm really looking forward to this show! ** the band with ray anderson and han bennink is really cool. loads of delay and loopage if i'm not mistaken. on hatart, two cds. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08C86.FFB12680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: 9 discs (Christy bands)

But, funny that Doran's name should come up here. I = just found out
yesterday that I am probably running sound for him = for a show in May, Doran
with Robert Dick on flutes and Steve Arguelles on = drums, the ADD Trio. From
the stage plot, it appears that all the players are = using some sort of live
processing, each requires stereo DI's as well as = mics. I saw Doran a few
years ago, and he was doing some very sophisticated = looping (for the time)
with a pair of Roland rack mount digital delays. I'm = really looking forward
to this show!

** the band with ray anderson and han bennink is = really cool. loads of delay and loopage if i'm not mistaken. on hatart, = two cds.

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C08C86.FFB12680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 15:11:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16976; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:07:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:07:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 14:06:13 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: OT: powerbooks and vacation tunes... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <048201c08c8a$6dd3b3a0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i replace the cd's w/books: > i build my own instruments w/the island's indigenous materials..... > *-) > dt / SPLaTTeRNeRD > > why not write your own books on paper made from chewed up tree bark? nothing like a book you can really sink your teeth into... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 15:23:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17718; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:18:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:18:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:09:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: OT: Integrity of Performance and the Sample Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Their drummer was really good. On his kit he included one of those >african instruments (and forgive me, I don't know what its called) >that consists of a wooden bx with the topcut into differently >porportioned wooden tines (used to see them at "Natural Wonders" >type stores) anyway, during his solo(s) while playing his rhythms he >would maintain a melody on this instrument. Came off as a very cool >effect. I realize the consists of the "something new" that you were >trying to avoid, but I thought it worth sharing all the same. got to see a very nice drum clinic with Stephen Perkins (Jane's Addiction, Porno for Pyros, and Banyan...with that wierd sounding Nels guy...:) He was doing really incredible stuff just playing one of them wooden boxes (forgive me...i've forgotten also). Also he did a very nice demo just using a selection of cymbals. It is such a joy to watch percussionists approach their instrument from a melodic point of view! as far as the taped stuff, he had a dat with him and he played along with some Jane's stuff with the drums out of the mix, and also played along to some orchestral Beethoven as well. very enjoyable clinic, and i'm not a drummer. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 15:23:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17728; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:19:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:19:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A79C472.3F408625@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 12:17:54 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: GIG SPAM: Armatronix in Los Osos, CA 02/02/01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Alicia , Alison Rule , Ben Korman , Brian DeWade , Darren Lee , Forrestt Williams , Greg Stahler , Greg Wuller , Jagjit Chadha , John Russki , Joy Wilkins , Julie Flathers , Lisa Tremain , Nathan Daly , Nathan Korman , Paul Andreano , Rakesha Elliot , Ron@ernieball.com, Roy Munson , Shane Stoneman , Stacey Moss From: Hans Lindauer Cc: Daniel Seymour Resent-Message-ID: <94Pi2C.A.vUE.mSce6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all- I would like to invite anyone who happens to be in the neighborhood to Sweet Springs Saloon* in Los Osos, CA on Friday night, 02/02/01, for the debut performance of Armatronix featuring the Solitronik Dancers. We will be performing original improvisational electronica beginning at 10pm. DJ Diji-D will be manning the wheels of steel, Doctor D will be tickling the ivoroid, and I will be pushing buttons, turning knobs, and generally trying to keep from embarrassing myself and ruining my reputation. The show will be presented in Enhanced Armatron Sound, so please bring your ear filters and your dancing shoes. Ladies ride for free. Gentlemen $3 cover. 21 and over. Please designate a driver. -Hans *Los Osos/Baywood Park's premier nightspot and gaming center From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 15:34:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18606; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:29:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:29:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <001101c08bd1$3ec69000$780c78d8@com> <000a01c08c72$afc5a560$510c78d8@com> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:19:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Cheating (was: Turn All That S**t Off) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Important point to me. I was happy we did not have the means to save >loops easy so far. I think it helps a lot to study and record, maybe >sometimes on stage, but I am scared of prerecorded loop mixing >concerts... those could distroy the fascination that we feel about >looping at this stage. >-- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org Interesting, Matthias...In contrast to a conversation i had with Damon at the Namm show. He was expressing interest in playing live with ALL of the loops prerecorded, and funnelled through various signal routings and effects ON STAGE. So that the 'musicians', who normally 'play' their instruments and the 'sound design' of the performance is controlled by the engineers, would now be in complete control of the sound design. (with the Repeater's time/pitch/fx/resample functions...the open and liquid nature of such a performance becomes more apparent) He cited the Chemical Brothers as a frame of reference...That the enjoyment of their live show, for him, was how well they controlled the whole 'sound'. to each his own, eh? food for thought on both sides of the fence. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 15:45:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19510; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:40:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:40:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:30:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: 9 discs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5kwKu.A.DwE.flce6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Been enjoying seeing everyone's picks! I had a question about this one, though. >Maxinquaye - Tricky (to say tricky took hip - hop to another place >is a massive understatement) Be forwarned...i absolutely love this record. But if your statement is true...why do you reference his first record, where he's still wandering about in Massive Attack territory? i mean he's even got lyrics that he used on 'protection' reworked for 'maxinquaye'. (maybe even some from 'blue lines' too?) Seems to me that Tricky started to move in a whole new direction a bit later...Maxinquaye fits pretty neatly in the 'trip hop' genre, for me. Is your statement general about his body of work, or 'maxinquaye' in particular? His later stuff i don't particularly like, to be honest with you. He's touted as some enigmatic genius, or something, which i don't buy at all...i just think he smokes too much pot. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 16:28:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21026; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:25:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:25:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 22:24:38 +0100 From: Mark Kunzmann Subject: Re: Computer noise soloutions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000b01c08c95$62178c20$0200a8c0@unibas.ch> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001101c08bd1$3ec69000$780c78d8@com> <000a01c08c72$afc5a560$510c78d8@com> <003701c08c79$c1feb300$7bb387d8@cliff> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Cliff, not much, but here's one: www.pcpowerandcooling.com They have a couple of quiet power supplies on offer. They also sell fans. Hope this helps. Mark > Hi all- > > I will be building a rack mount DAW in the near future and am looking for > resources for quiet power supplies and other PC related hardware- I am aware > of the obvious "build a sound proof enclosure" but this is going to be > impractical for me in the beginning- > Any info you all might have is appreciated- I did find 1 company that has > special fans and power supplies but not for 110v current- > > Cliff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 16:48:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22095; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:44:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:44:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 15:31:43 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Cheating (was: Turn All That S**t Off) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <058101c08c96$624d4cb0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <001101c08bd1$3ec69000$780c78d8@com> <000a01c08c72$afc5a560$510c78d8@com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com all these looping devices play prerecorded loops. why does it matter so much whether they were recorded two days ago or 2 minutes ago? i think we can be fascinated with loops no matter how they were created... > Important point to me. I was happy we did not have the means to save > loops easy so far. I think it helps a lot to study and record, maybe > sometimes on stage, but I am scared of prerecorded loop mixing > concerts... those could distroy the fascination that we feel about > looping at this stage. > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 16:55:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22477; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:52:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:52:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200102012151.QAA04243@user1.channel1.com> Old-X-Envelope-To: X-Sender: seahorse@pop.channel1.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 16:47:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: Re: 9 disques In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okay, I'll bite, too. I must say, I've always cheated on these and picked more than required and will continue the trend >Desert Island: Beatles- Revolver ( I'd just as soon take all their stuff with me, truth be told) Yes- Tales From Topographic Oceans Sandy Denny -the 4CD collections Stuff I'd have smuggle on to continue a quality lifestyle Lisa Gerrard - The Mirror Pool Diamanda Galas - either Sporting Life or Litanies of Satan Jimi Hendrix -Axis: Bold As Love (If I can't bring all his stuff, this'll do as my fave) > >Road Trip: (I just looked at what's currently in the car for these) > Radiohead Kid A or OK Computer Jimi Hendrix-Electric Ladyland Derek Jacobi reading The Mort D'Arthur > >Gifts for Friends: > Robert Fripp- November Suite David Torn -Tripping Over God Lisa Gerrard- The Mirror Pool As for the rest of the gear, I'd bring my acoustic guitar and hope for the best. As for books, I'd bring anything by RJ Stewart, John and Caitlin Matthews, Gareth Knight, Clive Barker, Charles Williams and John Crowley, especially 'Little Big". I'd probably go for the Magus bu John Fowles, too. A wonderful book full of surprises on every page. Just when you think you've got it figured out, it all changes. Oh, and Jitterbug Perfume by Tom Robbins. And I'd bring lots of paper and some pens and pencils. Frank Gerace Dreamchild www.dreamchildmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 17:08:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23427; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:05:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:05:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 22:03:52 +0000 Subject: showmanship? From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> Question, though: how have audiences reacted to loops in your experience? Do they need to be educated? "What I'm doing now is playing this figure, and it runs into this little machine that repeats it indefiniely." Does the initial visual of you playing the first iteration of the loop suffice--provided that you go onto other portions of the performance? Are there cases where you might have exagerated the effort in tweaking your machines to effect a visual stimulus? Waving your hands conjurer/theremin-like when it really only required a quarter turn of one knob? Where does showmanship stop and charlatanry begin?<<<< I've had a really good response - a few seriously dimwitted people have asked if there's a backing tape, but noone who is actually listening is under any illusions... I often explain a little of what I'm doing during the gig as well, and that can add to the multi-sensory experience for those watching, as they try to work out what's loop and what's me... showmanship is cool - so long as it doesn't get in the way of the music, do as much as you like - wear a cape, dress up as queen victoria, paint your nails blue, install your rack in a trabant hanging from the lighting rig, or just wear a fraggle rock t-shirt - whatever, make it into a show, try to take it away from being an arcane muso environment and enjoy it. At my last gig in LA, in a coffee house in Temple City, there were a few little kids running around, which was great - there's nothing better to take the pickle out the ass of an audience than a kid who as soon as the guy on stage puts his bass down, jumps on his lap, mid song! :o) Loop music and electronica in general can become such a male, middle class, white, intellectual exercise (and hey, I'm all of those thinigs), but it doesn't need to be, if you make the environment more inclusive... so on with the theramin-like conjuring, and please video it, it sounds cool! :o) cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 17:09:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23432; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:06:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:06:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 22:05:22 +0000 Subject: moby From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>But not Moby's "Play", with all its African American samples, because he's not lip syncing.<<< though ironically live, moby's band are playing to tracks, and the bass is about 5-10% in the mix. The drums are live, but way down in the mix too, with the programmed parts off the CD up way loud... it's largely the album with a few of the vocals taken off, which is a shame, as Moby's musicians are good and could easy do the stuff... or failing that i'd do it! :o) steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 17:23:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24291; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:20:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:20:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200102012220.OAA05644@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 14:21:23 -0700 Subject: Re: Cheating (was: Turn All That S**t Off) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i concur w/ the latter not the former-looping for me will always be real time music made in real time(!) w/ all the missteps, misgivings,miscues,mistakes,the beauty,the power and the glory(not neccessarily in that order :-)...stanner ---------- >From: jim palmer >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Cheating (was: Turn All That S**t Off) >Date: Thu, Feb 1, 2001, 2:31 PM > >all these looping devices play prerecorded loops. >why does it matter so much whether they were recorded >two days ago or 2 minutes ago? > >i think we can be fascinated with loops no matter how they >were created... > >> Important point to me. I was happy we did not have the means to save >> loops easy so far. I think it helps a lot to study and record, maybe >> sometimes on stage, but I am scared of prerecorded loop mixing >> concerts... those could distroy the fascination that we feel about >> looping at this stage. >> -- >> >> >> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 17:34:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25125; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:32:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:32:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Cheating (was: Turn All That S**t Off) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:32:30 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200102012220.OAA05644@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i concur w/ the latter not the former-looping for me will always be real > time music made in real time(!) w/ all the missteps, > misgivings,miscues,mistakes,the beauty,the power and the glory(not > neccessarily in that order :-)...stanner Amen! For the first few months I used the Echoplex live, there were all sorts of weird things happening as I was learning to use it. I have minimized those things, but I like the 'right on the edge' feeling I get not knowing if something I am going to try will turn out. I have performed with people who use pre-recorded loops, and in my experience, the audience does not react the same as if it was all done right there in front of them. Usually audiences are pretty quick to catch on, and people will come up later and ask me if they aren't sure what is going on. I generally make my loops pretty indistinguishable from my live playing, so sometimes I don't even realize if a sound I make was live or looped. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 17:42:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25523; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:38:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:38:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c08c9f$2b2e09a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "Brian Mulvey" To: References: Subject: Re: moby Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:34:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That one live performance that M2 kept showing over and over.. horrible! I never really had much of an opinion either way about moby, but wow.. it was so bad it seemed like a put-on. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 18:04:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26373; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 18:02:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 18:02:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010201175940.02469c70@smtp.simons-rock.edu> X-Sender: nick@smtp.simons-rock.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 18:01:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick ring Subject: Re: moby In-Reply-To: <003101c08c9f$2b2e09a0$0101a8c0@pavilion> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:34 PM 2/1/01 -0500, you wrote: >That one live performance that M2 kept showing over and over.. horrible! >I never really had much of an opinion either way about moby, but wow.. it >was so bad it seemed like a put-on. A number of months back I saw moby on ... hmm... on PBS... oh yes, Sessions at W. 54th. It was a very enjoyable set. Live musicians and all. Don't get out to too many shows (I do work at a club, though), but I'd be more than happy to see him live (though that does leave room for possible disappointment). feeling so real, nick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 18:08:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26613; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 18:05:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 18:05:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: moby and backing tracks Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 15:04:14 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2001 23:04:14.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BC0D360:01C08CA3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was watching MTV yesterday (Yes, I'll admit it), and they showed a clip of Jennifer Lopez singing her song at the superbowl halftime show. She had a drummer, a conga player, and a keyboardist as her "backup band". I thought it was really weird that they were playing, but all the music was clearly off the CD. When they hit the bridge, whoever was at the mixer brought up the levels of the drums and congas, then faded them again when they got into the next chorus. Pop musicians - they're so weird! >From: Steve Lawson >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: moby >Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 22:05:22 +0000 > > >>>But not Moby's "Play", with all its >African American samples, because he's not lip syncing.<<< > >though ironically live, moby's band are playing to tracks, and the bass is >about 5-10% in the mix. The drums are live, but way down in the mix too, >with the programmed parts off the CD up way loud... it's largely the album >with a few of the vocals taken off, which is a shame, as Moby's musicians >are good and could easy do the stuff... or failing that i'd do it! :o) > >steve >www.steve-lawson.co.uk > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 18:11:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26865; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 18:08:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 18:08:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <06A9F7A44D8BD411AE0E009027DE4F3546369C@mars.plantronics.com> From: "GRAY, Toby" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: showmanship? Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:02:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting thread here and I have to jump in on this... >Where does showmanship stop and charlatanry begin< That's up to the skills & imagination of the performer. Too many musicians can't get past the "playing" being the performance where in reality the performance is what the audience gets to LOOK at as well as hear. An audience member shouldn't have to care if you're loopng or have other players in a box. They're there to get their rocks off. I agree with Steve, "wear a cape, dress up as queen victoria, paint your nails blue" What about "loop theatre"? I remember back in the 80's Howard Jones performed by himself with a single male dancer warming up for an Eurthymics (sp?) tour. Howard with wireless headset mic, had his keyboard rig on a round riser and went to great lengths to use huge moves to activate various devices and start sequences. In the mean time here is this single male dancer doing all sorts of groovey moves all over a huge stage and at times being joined by Howard in some choregraphed steps while the sequencers carried the music! F*cking marvelous! An entertaining 30 minute+ high energy show put on by a showman musician and a dancer and a pile of drone equipment that contained some great tunes to boot. Nothing a looper couldn't pull off in the same context. Get outside the loop and create a visual show if you want to get beyond the "male, middle class, white, intellectual exercise". My $0.02. Back to lurk mode. Cheers, Toby Gray www.DavidLaFlamme.com www.TheRoadBand.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 19:06:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28531; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 19:03:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 19:03:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DADE0@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: moby and backing tracks Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 19:00:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C08CAB.1706ED00" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08CAB.1706ED00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I was watching MTV yesterday (Yes, I'll admit it), and they showed a clip of Jennifer Lopez singing her song at the superbowl halftime show. She had a drummer, a conga player, and a keyboardist as her "backup band". I thought it was really weird that they were playing, but all the music was clearly off the CD. ** bread and circuses. it doesn't matter to the folks at home. are you sure that she was "singing"? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08CAB.1706ED00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: moby and backing tracks

I was watching MTV yesterday (Yes, I'll admit it), and they showed a clip of
Jennifer Lopez singing her song at the superbowl halftime show. She had a
drummer, a conga player, and a keyboardist as her "backup band". I thought
it was really weird that they were playing, but all the music was clearly
off the CD.

** bread and circuses. it doesn't matter to the folks at home. are you sure that she was "singing"?

------_=_NextPart_001_01C08CAB.1706ED00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 19:15:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29121; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 19:11:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 19:11:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c08cac$1f31e100$5b0c78d8@com> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DADE0@migarexch01.maritz.com> Subject: "singing"? Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:07:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C08C69.0F0F75A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C08C69.0F0F75A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: moby and backing tracksEver try to sing in a stadium? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Liebig, Steuart A.=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 4:00 PM Subject: RE: moby and backing tracks I was watching MTV yesterday (Yes, I'll admit it), and they showed a = clip of=20 Jennifer Lopez singing her song at the superbowl halftime show. She = had a=20 drummer, a conga player, and a keyboardist as her "backup band". I = thought=20 it was really weird that they were playing, but all the music was = clearly=20 off the CD.=20 ** bread and circuses. it doesn't matter to the folks at home. are you = sure that she was "singing"?=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C08C69.0F0F75A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: moby and backing tracks
Ever try to sing in a = stadium?
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Liebig, Steuart A. =
To: 'Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com'=20
Sent: Thursday, February 01, = 2001 4:00=20 PM
Subject: RE: moby and backing=20 tracks


I was watching MTV yesterday (Yes, I'll admit it), = and they=20 showed a clip of
Jennifer Lopez singing her = song at=20 the superbowl halftime show. She had a
drummer, a=20 conga player, and a keyboardist as her "backup band". I thought=20
it was really weird that they were playing, = but all=20 the music was clearly
off the CD. =

** bread and circuses. it doesn't matter to the = folks at home.=20 are you sure that she was "singing"? =

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C08C69.0F0F75A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 19:19:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29588; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 19:17:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 19:17:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010202001659.80043.qmail@web9507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:16:59 -0800 (PST) From: "PreHeatOven Management Inc." Subject: Wtd: Used Tap Instrument To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Experienced/Educated bassist/guitarist seeks first touchestyle instrument. Any idea where a guy can get his hands on a used Stick, Warr, or similar instrument in U.S.? ===== Copyright PreHeatOven Management, Inc., 1998, 1999, 2000. http://www.geocities.com/preheatoven __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 19:24:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29904; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 19:21:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 19:21:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DADE2@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: "singing"? Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 19:20:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C08CAD.E7B8C250" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08CAD.E7B8C250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" no have you? it's just my observation that there are lots of bands that do have singers who sing live in stadia - - or hockey arenas for that matter. the whole thing with the superbowl is about the spectacle, not the music. my guess is that ray charles DID sing live at the same event. sorry if i offended you . . . stig -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:relayonemanband@cts.com] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 4:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: "singing"? Ever try to sing in a stadium? ----- Original Message ----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 4:00 PM Subject: RE: moby and backing tracks I was watching MTV yesterday (Yes, I'll admit it), and they showed a clip of Jennifer Lopez singing her song at the superbowl halftime show. She had a drummer, a conga player, and a keyboardist as her "backup band". I thought it was really weird that they were playing, but all the music was clearly off the CD. ** bread and circuses. it doesn't matter to the folks at home. are you sure that she was "singing"? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08CAD.E7B8C250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: moby and backing tracks
no have you?
 
it's just my observation that there are lots of bands that do have singers who sing live in stadia - - or hockey arenas for that matter. the whole thing with the superbowl is about the spectacle, not the music. my guess is that ray charles DID sing live at the same event.
 
sorry if i offended you  . . .
 
stig
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:relayonemanband@cts.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 4:07 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: "singing"?

Ever try to sing in a stadium?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 4:00 PM
Subject: RE: moby and backing tracks


I was watching MTV yesterday (Yes, I'll admit it), and they showed a clip of
Jennifer Lopez singing her song at the superbowl halftime show. She had a
drummer, a conga player, and a keyboardist as her "backup band". I thought
it was really weird that they were playing, but all the music was clearly
off the CD.

** bread and circuses. it doesn't matter to the folks at home. are you sure that she was "singing"?

------_=_NextPart_001_01C08CAD.E7B8C250-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 19:50:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31090; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 19:46:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 19:46:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater memory (& Suggestions for more demos) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:45:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <473IyB.A.hlH.1Mge6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com O.K. Here is how to break down Repeaters memory. (All files, internal and CFC, are 16 bit 44.1 WAV files) It's essentially 5 MB a minute. So internal memory at 8 MB minus overhead and some reserve for undo etc = 7.5 MB / 5=1.5 minutes or 90 seconds MONO or 45 seconds stereo or 22.5 seconds of 4 tracks. No compression. On the Compact Flash it's the same formula 5 MB an minute. So 16 MB is 192 seconds mono, 96 seconds stereo or 48 seconds over four tracks. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 20:44:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00317; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 20:41:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 20:41:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010202014008.24930.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:40:08 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: Re: Wtd: Used Tap Instrument To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20010202001659.80043.qmail@web9507.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out www.starrlabs.com. Harvey sometimes has used instruments for sale on his site. If not, send him an email - he may know of people selling their ztars, or may have some used ones around the shop. Don't expect strings though... stephen --- "PreHeatOven Management Inc." wrote: > Experienced/Educated bassist/guitarist seeks first > touchestyle instrument. Any idea where a guy can get > his hands on a used Stick, Warr, or similar > instrument > in U.S.? ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 22:46:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02851; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:43:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:43:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c08cca$2a9898e0$ce0c78d8@com> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DADE2@migarexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Stadia Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 19:42:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C08C87.1BD6A7E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C08C87.1BD6A7E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: moby and backing tracksHey Stig and all-- Nope, never sang in a stadium, but I played at San Diego Stadium (doing = meet and greet) at the Superbowl (last year? 2 years ago?) when Jewel = sang the Anthem, and they wouldn't let her sing live--she had to lip = sync it. My guess is that Ray was also having to do that--but he IS Ray = Charles, so maybe HE could get them to let him sing live. Jennifer = probably preferred playing to a track--dance artists usually do that, so = they can jump around more. BTW, I wasn't offended--gotta include those emoticons to signify tongue = in cheek. Also, when are you (Mr. Steuart) playing again, so I can come and dig = it? I promise to be polite . . . Gary ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C08C87.1BD6A7E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: moby and backing tracks
Hey Stig and all--
Nope, never sang in a stadium, but I = played at San=20 Diego Stadium (doing meet and greet) at the Superbowl (last year?  = 2 years=20 ago?) when Jewel sang the Anthem, and they wouldn't let her sing = live--she had=20 to lip sync it.  My guess is that Ray was also having to do = that--but he IS=20 Ray Charles, so maybe HE could get them to let him sing live.  = Jennifer=20 probably preferred playing to a track--dance artists usually do that, so = they=20 can jump around more.
 
BTW, I wasn't offended--gotta include = those=20 emoticons to signify tongue in cheek.
 
Also, when are you (Mr. Steuart) = playing again, so=20 I can come and dig it?  I promise to be polite . . .
Gary
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C08C87.1BD6A7E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 1 23:00:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03355; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:57:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:57:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20010201215628.007ea100@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 21:56:28 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Cheating (was: Turn All That S**t Off) In-Reply-To: <000a01c08c72$afc5a560$510c78d8@com> References: <001101c08bd1$3ec69000$780c78d8@com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <_xyCjD.A.A0.q_ie6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just put on an entertaining show. It's "show" business. M. At 09:16 AM 2/1/01 -0800, you wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "rich" > >> >When people go to see their favorite dance/pop artist and they use >prepared >> audio (lip sync, MIDI/sampled background, et al), are they disappointed? >> >> Nah, no one seemed all that upset when Rob and Fab were discovered...:) >> >> rich > >OK, so it's fraud if the artist is not actually responsible for the initial >performance--Like Martha Wash's "Everybody Dance Now" lick from "Gonna Make >You Sweat"--if an attempt is made to depict the artist simulating the >performance (Like Paul Simon's video for "Call Me Al"--although this >performance is tongue in cheek). But not Moby's "Play", with all its >African American samples, because he's not lip syncing. > >This, then, has to do with the impact on the audience of audio generated by >the performing artist. >My question is this: >Do you think the audience can discriminate between multilayer audio >generated onstage thru the use of delay and that which is prepared >beforehand? >I think that with the Repeater being able to store samples on the CRCs, it's >going to be awfully tempting to include prepared audio--in fact, isn't that >how this thread got started? >Gary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 02:27:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06586; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 02:24:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 02:24:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 07:49:06 +0000 Subject: Re: OHM and those 9 discs From: Victor Nicholls To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200102012223.RAA24479@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id CAA06557 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dave Trenkel said: >> Victors choice was: >> >>> Desert Island >>> >>> Strange Meeting - Power Tools >>> OHM electronic music set >> >> I think you refer to the swiss band... I just wanted to inform that >> its guitarist Christy Doran tours with a very interesting band called >> NEW BAG and is into loops as well! >> http://www.christydoran.ch/ > > I think he actually means the OHM: Early Gurus of Electronic Music box set > (which also has nothing to do with the German band Guru Guru). Thatšs right, I did mean the Early Gurus set, but Išve now learnt about two interesting other bands to try out. Great list! victor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 03:01:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07083; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 02:59:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 02:59:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010202075911.4677.qmail@web5101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 23:59:11 -0800 (PST) From: Alx Subject: RE: Repeater memory (& Suggestions for more demos) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the reply Damon, if you´re looping live with Repeater and you´re recording a loop larger than what the internal memory allows, do you first have to tell Repeater to change to the CFC reader or it will automatically change to it?. Can you change the tempo of a loop automatically from one point to another? like say from 90bpm to 120bpm without speeding it up like on the demos, is there a way to dial those tempo changes with anticipation so they can be heard at the beggining of the next measure?, that would be cool to hear on a demo too. What do you think of my previous suggestions for online demos: "it would be cool to hear some demos with loops stored on the CFC and see how fast they perform the time stretching and pitch shifting, also make the Repeater to follow an external midi clock source to hear how the time stretching follows that midi clock, also do some demos alternating different loops like on the Jam Man or EDP". Thanks. Alx. --- "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" wrote: > O.K. Here is how to break down Repeaters memory. > (All files, internal and > CFC, are 16 bit 44.1 WAV files) > It's essentially 5 MB a minute. So internal memory > at 8 MB minus overhead > and some reserve for undo etc = 7.5 MB / 5=1.5 > minutes or 90 seconds MONO or > 45 seconds stereo or 22.5 seconds of 4 tracks. No > compression. > On the Compact Flash it's the same formula 5 MB an > minute. So 16 MB is 192 > seconds mono, 96 seconds stereo or 48 seconds over > four tracks. > > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com > __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 04:28:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08188; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 04:26:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 04:26:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <57.11108ca8.27abd733@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 04:26:11 EST Subject: Fake Drums To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 01/02/01 12:48:32 GMT Standard Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > Any body have some creative ideas they want to share about their faked drum > sounds or percussion noises? On Electric Bass, first the obvious 'Bass Drum'- left hand muffles E string at 1st fret, right hand plucks as normal 'Snare' - left hand muffles D string at 3rd fret, right hand pulls string from fingerboard and lets it slap and then the more obscure 'Bayan (large tabla)' - fretless only, right hand thumb strikes E string onto fingerboard at around 15th fret and then slides down to about the 13th fret. You have to hold your thumb in the position for 'slap bass'. 'Dayan (small tabla)'- a tricky one this, but quite the best of the bunch. Fret the G string at the 9th fret with the left hand. Right hand does all the work. RH thumb touches G string above 21st fret. then strike string flamenco style with fingernails of fingers 3,2,&1 .(ie tuck them in to the base of the thumb and flick them out in rapid succession. Striking the string with the back of the finger so that the nails hit the string ) this imitates the 'NA' stroke rather well if you jus flick one finger. With a fretless bass you can imitate the sound of the tabla being tuned. With Guitar WoodBlock- Grab 1st (smallest) string tightly between LH thumb and first finger 2 or 3 inches from bridge and pluck with RH. Well thats all my secrets used up Andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 06:35:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09892; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 06:33:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 06:33:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c08d0c$3660a040$24b2d9c1@s500865> From: "mark francombe red" To: References: <001101c08bd1$3ec69000$780c78d8@com> <3.0.3.32.20010201215628.007ea100@mail.airmail.net> Subject: Re: Cheating (was: Turn All That S**t Off) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 12:35:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is obviously a difference between "playing live" into a looper and miming to a backing track, not sure if the audience really cares though. For years now rappers have done there stuff over backing tracks, its kinda THE POINT I guess. In my old band Cranes we had a rule which was if we physically could NOT do it live (due to it being a "special sound" or just not having enough musicians) then we would put it on tape, and if we could play it live we would! That way looping is safe ground cos looping is not just "a method of cheating", its a sound thing really. I must admit that once we blew it by recording somthing in the studio called "Paris and Rome" where the marimba part was on tape throughout the song and the song cut out in the middle to just the marimba and a clarinet (which none of us could play) and we though it would be OK to leave it on tape. First gig on the tour we realise that we, the whole band were stood there like lemons for ...oh a good minute and a half!!! So we changed it and had drums and a few little ambient wibbles over the top! But lets not get too muso about this, as someone else said its about a "Show" and as long as the "show" is good to watch, I don't really care if its a guy sat behind a laptop! Mark Francombe Red mark.francombe@mogul.com http://www.8day.com/redweb/ ICQ: 4531031 (Please dont send .exe files (zip them 1st) my mail server bites them chews them up and sends me a rude message!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 06:48:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA10198; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 06:46:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 06:46:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c08d09$ac6cafc0$5a43e0d5@pandora.be> From: "Sound Mind" To: References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010201175940.02469c70@smtp.simons-rock.edu> Subject: Re: moby Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 12:17:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw him live on Glastonbury on the Beeb. It's mainly a playback show, the live players are there to create a rock'n'roll band feel, most of the time they're not in the mix. Especially the bass player(female bassplayers are very hip). I don't have any problem with playing with sequencers, the contrary (ex:Love In Space by Hawkwind), but Moby is pure show and cashing in. Which is his good right ofcourse. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "nick ring" To: Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 12:01 AM Subject: Re: moby > At 05:34 PM 2/1/01 -0500, you wrote: > >That one live performance that M2 kept showing over and over.. horrible! > >I never really had much of an opinion either way about moby, but wow.. it > >was so bad it seemed like a put-on. > > A number of months back I saw moby on ... hmm... on PBS... oh yes, Sessions > at W. 54th. > It was a very enjoyable set. Live musicians and all. Don't get out to too > many shows (I do work at a club, though), but I'd be more than happy to see > him live (though that does leave room for possible disappointment). > > feeling so real, > nick > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 07:12:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10539; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 07:10:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 07:10:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [62.104.212.76] From: "Robert Eberwein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cheating Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 12:09:50 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2001 12:09:50.0649 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B188290:01C08D11] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm very interested in this distinction: *When is it fraud?* I did a concert once [I sang and played diatonic harp] where the playback contained some harp. It was too late to change anything- the guy hiring us didn't care- and it was good money. One of my fears was: *What if the audience thinks ALL the harp is on tape*? And if the poor sods don't notice or care, why not lay down 5 tracks of interesting harp at home, and just concentrate on singing? [and what makes having a little keyboard on tape better than lip-sync... etc, etc, etc] To tell the truth, I have never taken the time to think this all the way through- - -never came to a conclusion. But it's what got me thinking about the Echoplex and looping in general [That, and that Cello player]; It allows you to bypass those ethical/vanity considerations- as you are playing- in concert, if you will- with the playback. Of course, *DJ's* take this to an extreme; taking credit for stuff they couldn't conceptualize in a 1000 years. But then, few people consider that the entire techno/DJ thing is just disco married to Political Correctness [Wannabe Gangbangers singing to China Grove- - - and nobody blows the whisthle- - -sigh]--Sigh. Did someone check my spelling? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 08:07:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA12467; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:05:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:05:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "J. Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Cheating (was: Turn All That S**t Off) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 05:03:07 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <007001c08d0c$3660a040$24b2d9c1@s500865> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <42XOgB.A.-BD.ACre6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Executable (*.exe) files are already compressed. ZIPping them up does nothing to reduce their size. Perhaps your server is reacting to the fact that the attachment has a *.exe extension, and it does nothing if it has a *.zip extension. A ZIPped executable has 0% compression, making it useless to ZIP. Mind you, these are the better written ones. There's lot of fluffware out there as well. Just thought I'd let you know. J. | -----Original Message----- | From: mark francombe red [mailto:mark.francombe@mogul.com] | Sent: Friday 02 February 2001 3:35 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: Re: Cheating (was: Turn All That S**t Off) | | (Please dont send .exe files (zip them 1st) my mail server | bites them chews | them up and sends me a rude message!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 08:07:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA12587; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:05:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:05:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 07:04:13 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: traig Subject: Re: 9 discs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Been enjoying seeing everyone's picks! I had a question about this >one, though. > > > >>Maxinquaye - Tricky (to say tricky took hip - hop to another place >>is a massive understatement) > > > > >Be forwarned...i absolutely love this record. But if your statement >is true...why do you reference his first record, where he's still >wandering about in Massive Attack territory? i mean he's even got >lyrics that he used on 'protection' reworked for 'maxinquaye'. >(maybe even some from 'blue lines' too?) > >Seems to me that Tricky started to move in a whole new direction a >bit later...Maxinquaye fits pretty neatly in the 'trip hop' genre, >for me. Is your statement general about his body of work, or >'maxinquaye' in particular? > >His later stuff i don't particularly like, to be honest with you. >He's touted as some enigmatic genius, or something, which i don't >buy at all...i just think he smokes too much pot. > >rich i believe he reworked his stuff for the massive attack albums then brought it back to its original place on his solo albums. Maxinquaye is much more skewed, sonically speaking, then massive atack coul ever be. i really enjoy massive attack also but tricky's solo stuff is genius - all of it. perhaps tricky does smoke alot of pot - but what does that have to do with it? and the rest of massive attack doesn't? for that matter, the majority of trip hop artists? anyway, i do consider the man a genius - his lyrics and the way he reworks them rather it be as a massive attack song, as a song on the "city of industry" soundtrack or a solo work. that IS part of his beauty. god bless the freaks t Traig Foltz Audio Production Specialist University of Notre Dame Office of Information Technology Office: (219)631 - 3752 Fax: (219) 631 - 8777 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 08:13:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13010; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:12:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:12:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c08d19$d7e23980$1b86893e@music> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: Subject: Re: 9 discs Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:12:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "traig" > i believe he reworked his stuff for the massive attack albums then > brought it back to its original place on his solo albums. Maxinquaye > is much more skewed, sonically speaking, then massive atack coul ever > be. i really enjoy massive attack also but tricky's solo stuff is > genius - all of it. perhaps tricky does smoke alot of pot - but what > does that have to do with it? and the rest of massive attack > doesn't? for that matter, the majority of trip hop artists? anyway, > i do consider the man a genius - his lyrics and the way he reworks > them rather it be as a massive attack song, as a song on the "city of > industry" soundtrack or a solo work. that IS part of his beauty. > > god bless the freaks Amen to that. A special freak he is too. His live show is pretty special too. He uses a DJ, a guitarist, and Martine Topley Bird doing backup vocals. He also usually performs behind a mic (duh) but also has a lightbulb on a stand in front of him. It's a nice touch/effect and adds an element of intimacy to his music. I can still remember hearing "She Makes Me Wanna Die" for the first time - virtually dropped everything and almost fainted. Wish that happened more often - well, not the fainting part.... Cheers, Simon _____________________________________ Ulcerate - dark alternative/industrial project http://mp3.com/ulcerate -streaming & downloadable audio http://ulcerate.webjump.com - official info site - with pics, bio's, etc _____________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 08:34:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13564; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:32:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:32:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c08d1a$d33c89c0$5a43e0d5@pandora.be> From: "Sound Mind" To: References: Subject: Re: cheating Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:19:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think, with dj's it's the same as with any other musician : they're creative or they're not. I know a few dj's personally, and some of them are very good. The way they mix two turntables and a rhythmmachine is, a) not easy and b) often very creative. I have had the chance to hear the records they play individually, and then what they do with it. They can turn even a mediocre or cheesy record in combination with other stuff into something new and wondefull. I mean, Richie Hawtin, Derrick May, ...and over here in Belgium Jan Van Biesen...these guys are amazing. I've also seen dj's tweaking the knobs of their mixer to create the impression they're doing something more than just playing a record, while I know the record they're playing has the filtering already on it, or I can see they're just out of time with what is actually happening. The last year, my friends and I call that 'doing a Moby'. We could also have called it 'doing a Spice Girl'(no pun intented). Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Eberwein" To: Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 12:09 PM Subject: Re: cheating > > I'm very interested in this distinction: *When is it fraud?* I did a concert > once [I sang and played diatonic harp] where the playback contained some > harp. It was too late to change anything- the guy hiring us didn't care- and > it was good money. One of my fears was: *What if the audience thinks ALL the > harp is on tape*? And if the poor sods don't notice or care, why not lay > down 5 tracks of interesting harp at home, and just concentrate on singing? > [and what makes having a little keyboard on tape better than lip-sync... > etc, etc, etc] > > To tell the truth, I have never taken the time to think this all the way > through- - -never came to a conclusion. But it's what got me thinking about > the Echoplex and looping in general [That, and that Cello player]; It allows > you to bypass those ethical/vanity considerations- as you are playing- in > concert, if you will- with the playback. > > Of course, *DJ's* take this to an extreme; taking credit for stuff they > couldn't conceptualize in a 1000 years. But then, few people consider that > the entire techno/DJ thing is just disco married to Political Correctness > [Wannabe Gangbangers singing to China Grove- - - and nobody blows the > whisthle- - -sigh]--Sigh. > > Did someone check my spelling? > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 08:43:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13934; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:39:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:39:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001001c08d19$d7e23980$1b86893e@music> References: <001001c08d19$d7e23980$1b86893e@music> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 07:39:18 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: traig Subject: Re: 9 discs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Amen to that. A special freak he is too. His live show is pretty special >too. He uses a DJ, a guitarist, and Martine Topley Bird doing backup vocals. >He also usually performs behind a mic (duh) but also has a lightbulb on a >stand in front of him. It's a nice touch/effect and adds an element of >intimacy to his music. I can still remember hearing "She Makes Me Wanna Die" >for the first time - virtually dropped everything and almost fainted. Wish >that happened more often - well, not the fainting part.... > >Cheers, > Simon i saw him in the afternoon at alpine valley (an outdoor venue) in wisconsin and he was amazing, it was very intimate, powerful and disturbing. exactly how does he move his head like that? it's as if his neck is not connected to anything. the light bulb was a great addition. ah yes, the first time i heard "she makes me wanna die" the earth stopped and i frantically ran out to find this cd. ms. topley bird's contribution cannot be overstated here - what an angel. it was spiritual, so i immediately bought Maxinquaye also after that purchase i almost stopped playing music and buying cd's. then "nearly god" came out...... i liked the tricky produced "baby namboos" cd also just for the last three songs on it - i believe it's tricky's cousin or something. t Traig Foltz Audio Production Specialist University of Notre Dame Office of Information Technology Office: (219)631 - 3752 Fax: (219) 631 - 8777 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 09:01:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14851; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:59:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:59:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: partagas.dragonet.es: 193-153-189-237.uc.nombres.ttd.es [193.153.189.237] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20010201120815.01830960@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 12:08:15 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "R.MUTT" Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <2BBAi.A.6nD.J1re6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:05 p.m. 31/01/01, you wrote: hi max is it possible to control feedback in loop mode with the DL4 ? thanks ! mutt /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Tapeadores http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/tap /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 10:13:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16842; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:10:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:10:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.22] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 15:09:37 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2001 15:09:38.0204 (UTC) FILETIME=[28FAC5C0:01C08D2A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com and hi back! By "controlling feedback" are you speaking of loop volume in playback....or delay regeneration? Nonetheless, with the expression pedal you can control any of the dials on the unit in playback, in real time (which makes it very handy). At the recent Solo Bass Looping Festival in Santa Cruz, Steve Lawson was doing some incredible stuff using an expression pedal to conrol the loops' overall output volume, which gave his pieces a very natural sort of dynamic: an ebb and flow of the loops with the melodies. I use mine (sometimes...I am always changing around just what the pedal is controlling) to change pre-delay times and loop volumes together...so that I have a loud loop with what I am playing in real time fairly "dry" and a a quieter loop vol., but my "live part" drenched in echo. Max Valentino >From: "R.MUTT" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 >Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 12:08:15 +0100 > >At 03:05 p.m. 31/01/01, you wrote: >hi max > > is it possible to control feedback in > loop mode with the DL4 ? > >thanks ! >mutt > > > > > >/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >Tapeadores >http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/tap >/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 10:24:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17322; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:22:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:22:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 07:21:18 -0800 Subject: Gig Spam: Seattle [Electrochakra @2nd Avenue Pizza] 2/3/01 From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Electrochakra will be playing this Saturday, the 3rd, at Second Avenue Pizza (2015 2nd Avenue), starting at 9PM. Admission is free, and they have really good NY-style slice pizza there. We'll be playing (and looping) in the back. Be. Seeing. You. Travis Hartnett Electrochakra -- MP3's and calendar of upcoming shows available at: www.mp3.com/electrochakra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 10:31:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17701; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:30:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:30:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.22] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 9 disks Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 15:29:14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2001 15:29:15.0161 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6802890:01C08D2C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey....wouldn't it be cool if all the Looper's everywhere started throwing these little "Looping Festivals"? Providing a higher profile and public view of this new artform we hold so dear. Wouldn't that provide some validation for the use of loops as musical instruments...then we wouldn;'t be discussing the whole "is it live or is it memorex?" thing. Y'know, Rick Walker, (insert deity of choice)bless his heart and soul, has done the entire world of looping a great service with the Looping Festivals he has organized.....wouldn't it be cool to spread that across the land? Maybe we could all play at each others' parties!! Max Valentino > > > Anyway, I wanted to see if there are any other New York City based >loopers up for getting together, and, possibly, putting on a festival like >the Santa Cruz thingy. I have a big loft space in Long Island City Queens >for jamming at all hours, and was wondering who'd be interested . . . let >me know here or off list. Take Care All! > > 1-2-3 Repeater!! > > Aaroneous > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 10:33:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17785; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:31:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:31:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.22] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Turn All That S**t Off Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 15:31:03 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2001 15:31:03.0770 (UTC) FILETIME=[273C93A0:01C08D2D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: rich >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Turn All That S**t Off >Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:22:27 -0800 > >>When people go to see their favorite dance/pop artist and they use >>prepared >audio (lip sync, MIDI/sampled background, et al), are they disappointed? > >Nah, no one seemed all that upset when Rob and Fab were discovered...:) > >rich > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 10:47:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18698; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:44:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:44:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "J. Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: 9 disks Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 07:41:46 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I'll vote for that. I'd like to have one here in Berkeley. I should look into that myself. Javier Berkeley, Calif. | -----Original Message----- | From: max valentino [mailto:ekstasis1@hotmail.com] | Sent: Friday 02 February 2001 3:29 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: Re: 9 disks | | | Hey....wouldn't it be cool if all the Looper's everywhere | started throwing | these little "Looping Festivals"? Providing a higher profile | and public | view of this new artform we hold so dear. Wouldn't that provide some | validation for the use of loops as musical instruments...then | we wouldn;'t | be discussing the whole "is it live or is it memorex?" thing. | Y'know, Rick Walker, (insert deity of choice)bless his heart | and soul, has | done the entire world of looping a great service with the | Looping Festivals | he has organized.....wouldn't it be cool to spread that across | the land? | Maybe we could all play at each others' parties!! | Max Valentino | | | | > | | > | > Anyway, I wanted to see if there are any other New York | City based | >loopers up for getting together, and, possibly, putting on a | festival like | >the Santa Cruz thingy. I have a big loft space in Long Island | City Queens | >for jamming at all hours, and was wondering who'd be | interested . . . let | >me know here or off list. Take Care All! | > | > 1-2-3 Repeater!! | > | > Aaroneous | > | > | | _________________________________________________________________ | Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 11:01:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19635; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:59:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:59:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: partagas.dragonet.es: 193-153-189-233.uc.nombres.ttd.es [193.153.189.233] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20010202165956.016d9100@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 16:59:56 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "R.MUTT" Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:09 p.m. 02/02/01, you wrote: >and hi back! By "controlling feedback" are you speaking of loop volume in >playback....or delay regeneration? i meant the amount of delay regeneration ... thanks max, mutt /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Tapeadores http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/tap /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 11:10:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20136; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:06:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:06:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.22] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Turn All That S**t Off Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 16:04:38 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2001 16:04:38.0664 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8350080:01C08D31] Resent-Message-ID: <6PUAd.A.k3E.3qte6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang..... In regards to this whole thread about "Live vs. Recorded", I tend to not look at my looping machines as recorders...or machines, for that matter, but as instruments in their own right. Musical instruments that require an outside sound source. I got into looping due to a penchant for audio as an art form. Personally, using computers, tape reels, pre-recorded bits, sequenced tracks, audio loops, or vats of marmalade makes no difference as long as the result is creative. Yet, in a performance, there is that beast known as the audience. I do not wish to sound elitist or condescending, but most audiences (and I will stress the most...or maybe a few less than most) don't recognize or appreciate challenging music. It is not their fault. It is their conditioning. Being spoon fed MTV, VH1 etc. and all the trappings of "entertainment" and "show biz". In our society music is thought of as an entertainment source.....and shallow, banal, homogenized sounds fill the critera of musical entertainment if they are dressed up with enough glitz and colored lights (or even spandex and blow dryers). As performers we must recognize that part of what we do is entertainment.....but as artist we can use that "entertainment factor" to expose the general public to new forms of expression.....and even new technology. A big part of the general audience really hates when musicians use prerecorded tracks. That has been my experience. It is not the technology used really...but that it is canned. They feel they are somehow being cheated. Another part is completely oblivious to tracks being used. And most just don't care, as long as the show sounds like the CD. They have come to expect a live performance to be exactly like a recorded one (partly due to the fact that many live performances are recorded performances....someone was talking about the superbowl?) Really, that's not bad....it is merely entertainment; show biz. Like going to see an action movie....escapist entertainment, dazzling effects...but a lasting piece of art? But "playing" recordings, as opposed to "playing to recordings"...that can be both entertaining and artistically fulfilling. And that what, IMHO, looping is all about. In my performances, I have found that doing something gives the audience their entertainment factor. Using sequences may have superior sonic results, but creating loops live and onstage, factors in the risk element, demonstrates a manual operation of sorts.....and really pushes the audience to accept and understand more. In the past year I have spoke to audiences at my shows who originally asked "so all of that is recorded?" to now being very curious of how all that sound comes from a bass. Thusly, they become more accepting of this new form, and they become more accepting of challenging musical ideas. And this happens very quickly....in the period of one 45min. set, I have seen (and felt) audience reactions change from being hestitant (even openly opposed to) the entire concept of using loops and digital fx, to being quite engaged in the performance (and openly excited by the challenges the performer has placed on them). And that is a very wonderful experience. That taught me that the same "genaral public" I spoke of, while they are spoon fed all of this homogenized "entertainment", wants to be challenged. We tend, as artist, to sometimes not expect too much from our audience, but maybe we, as artist, should expect more. oh....that's a bit more than two cents. Max Valentino _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 11:34:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20683; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:31:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:31:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.22] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 16:30:48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2001 16:30:48.0445 (UTC) FILETIME=[7FDE92D0:01C08D35] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yep...than is easily done.....delay time, delay regen, even delay modulation can be controlled. Whatever amont you dial up is printed on your loop (in rec. mode) but the delay is pre-looper.....so each OD can have different dly amounts, times etc. and your "live playing" can have different delay amounts and dly times..... Max >From: "R.MUTT" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 >Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 16:59:56 +0100 > >At 03:09 p.m. 02/02/01, you wrote: > >and hi back! By "controlling feedback" are you speaking of loop volume in > >playback....or delay regeneration? > >i meant the amount of delay regeneration ... > >thanks max, >mutt > > >/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >Tapeadores >http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/tap >/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 11:57:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21501; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:55:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:55:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 08:53:56 -0800 Subject: DJ's=Musicians From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1kFfxD.A.xOF.9Yue6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If a DJ does a set spinning two spoken-word comedy albums, would you call him a comedian? TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 11:59:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21705; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:57:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:57:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:56:39 -0600 (CST) From: Heyoka_face_eater To: Loopers list Subject: re: cheating Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <4QuYWD.A.pQF.Hbue6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But lets not get too muso about this, as someone else said its about a "Show" and as long as the "show" is good to watch, I don't really care if its a guy sat behind a laptop! - Aphex Twin did this when I saw him live in MSP... brother laid down on his bally and played the whoel show from his laptop that way. Had some peple dressed up as dancing bears too. It was neat :) I never listened so intently to "dance music" in a club before :) Skid Row forever! _______________________________________________________________________________ hittin' them switches on the 20 fo' sevens.. _______________________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 12:08:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22599; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 12:06:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 12:06:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: DJ's=Musicians To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:02:21 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 02/02/2001 11:02:22 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If he combined the jokes to make them funnier, then yes. L Tiktok cc: 02/02/01 Subject: DJ's=Musicians 10:53 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht If a DJ does a set spinning two spoken-word comedy albums, would you call him a comedian? TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 12:25:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23091; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 12:23:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 12:23:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A7AED9E.274B39D1@club-internet.fr> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 18:25:51 +0100 From: Emmanuel PERILLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DJRND3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, To those interested in home pre-rec looping, DJRND3 will be soon ready with its hard drive back up option. Please feel free placing orders if you wish ... Thanks Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 12:56:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23818; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 12:54:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 12:54:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Comparisons of EDP to Repeater Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:51:28 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3A7AED9E.274B39D1@club-internet.fr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am wondering if anyone has constructed or posted a side by side comparison between these two devices? Thanks, Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 13:02:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24552; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:00:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:00:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017c01c08d40$e60737f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Comparisons of EDP to Repeater Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 12:52:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I am wondering if anyone has constructed or posted a side by side > comparison between these two devices? EDP Repeater ----- ---------- available not available :) Hey! It's FRIDAY! In all sincerity, let's wait until we have both in hand. A side-by-side comparison of real boxes would be real nice. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 13:06:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24934; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:05:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:05:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A7AF6C1.6E4E505E@altruistmusic.com> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 10:04:50 -0800 From: Andre Lafosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cheating References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Robert Eberwein wrote: > Of course, *DJ's* take this to an extreme; taking credit for stuff they > couldn't conceptualize in a 1000 years. But then, few people consider that > the entire techno/DJ thing is just disco married to Political Correctness > [Wannabe Gangbangers singing to China Grove- - - and nobody blows the > whisthle- - -sigh]--Sigh. Robert, I'm curious about something. What is it exactly that you accomplish by arbitrarily writing off entire genres of music and methods of creation in this manner? How have you improved your own life, much less anyone else's, by making statements like this? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 13:07:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25138; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:06:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:06:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:00:24 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Donovan Drake X-Sender: trey@pilgrim To: "J. Miranda V." cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 9 disks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Let us know when you do! I'll be happy to drive up from Santa Cruz for that. Having just jumped into it with my stick/bass/DL4 at Rick's last show, I'm up for more. -trey On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, J. Miranda V. wrote: > Hey, I'll vote for that. I'd like to have one here in Berkeley. I should > look into that myself. > > Javier > Berkeley, Calif. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: max valentino [mailto:ekstasis1@hotmail.com] > | Sent: Friday 02 February 2001 3:29 PM > | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > | Subject: Re: 9 disks > | > | > | Hey....wouldn't it be cool if all the Looper's everywhere > | started throwing > | these little "Looping Festivals"? Providing a higher profile > | and public > | view of this new artform we hold so dear. Wouldn't that provide some > | validation for the use of loops as musical instruments...then > | we wouldn;'t > | be discussing the whole "is it live or is it memorex?" thing. > | Y'know, Rick Walker, (insert deity of choice)bless his heart > | and soul, has > | done the entire world of looping a great service with the > | Looping Festivals > | he has organized.....wouldn't it be cool to spread that across > | the land? > | Maybe we could all play at each others' parties!! > | Max Valentino From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 13:10:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25642; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:09:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:09:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:02:48 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Donovan Drake X-Sender: trey@pilgrim To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Turn All That S**t Off In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > In regards to this whole thread about "Live vs. Recorded", I tend to not > look at my looping machines as recorders...or machines, for that matter, but > as instruments in their own right. Anyone who has seen/heard Robert Fripp doing soundscapes live would have a hard time refuting this point. -trey From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 13:21:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26017; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:20:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:20:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Comparisons of EDP to Repeater Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 12:17:18 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <017c01c08d40$e60737f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree that they should be compared when both are in hand, but what I was referring to were just basic specs like looping time, tracks, features, etc. Based on information that is already available. Of course comparing each one's useability in different settings (live or studio) is impossible at this time, but that is not what I am interested in now. Thanks, Steve > > > I am wondering if anyone has constructed or posted a side by side > > comparison between these two devices? > > EDP Repeater > ----- ---------- > available not available > > :) > > Hey! It's FRIDAY! > > In all sincerity, let's wait until we have both in hand. A > side-by-side > comparison of real boxes would be real nice. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 13:25:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26350; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:24:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:24:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DADE8@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Turn All That S**t Off Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:21:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C08D44.FD12BC90" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08D44.FD12BC90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi gang.....That taught me that the same "genaral public" I spoke of, while they are spoon fed all of this homogenized "entertainment", wants to be challenged. We tend, as artist, to sometimes not expect too much from our audience, but maybe we, as artist, should expect more. oh....that's a bit more than two cents. ** i would agree with almost your whole post - - maybe even this last on a good day. however, i have to say that the kind of places that most of us play are going to have people that are more open to the sort of thing "we do" than your average biker bar or country western line dancing establishment (nothing wrong with those places, mind you, just examples). while this is a gross generalization, there may be something to the fact that people of like mind may more likely to go to a hip and groovy coffee shop, weird music place, or where-have-you. i would like to feel that the "general public" (whomever that may be) wants to be challenged, but i'm not so sure about it - - experience has taught me otherwise. i actually hope that you're right! stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08D44.FD12BC90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Turn All That S**t Off


Hi gang.....That taught me that the same = "genaral public" I spoke of, while they are
spoon fed all of this homogenized = "entertainment", wants to be challenged. 
We tend, as artist, to sometimes not expect too much = from our audience, but
maybe we, as artist, should expect more.
oh....that's a bit more than two cents.

** i would agree with almost your whole post - - = maybe even this last on a good day. however, i have to say that the = kind of places that most of us play are going to have people that are = more open to the sort of thing "we do" than your average = biker bar or country western line dancing establishment (nothing wrong = with those places, mind you, just examples). while this is a gross = generalization, there may be something to the fact that people of like = mind may more likely to go to a hip and groovy coffee shop, weird music = place, or where-have-you. i would like to feel that the "general = public" (whomever that may be) wants to be challenged, but i'm not = so sure about it - - experience has taught me otherwise. i actually = hope that you're right!

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C08D44.FD12BC90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 13:40:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26775; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:37:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:37:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:36:04 EST Subject: Re: DJ's=Musicians To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ff.1ce33f0.27ac5814_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ff.1ce33f0.27ac5814_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/2/01 11:54:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, tiktok@sprintmail.com writes: > If a DJ does a set spinning two spoken-word comedy albums, would you call > him a comedian? > > yep!.....:).....michael --part1_ff.1ce33f0.27ac5814_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/2/01 11:54:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tiktok@sprintmail.com writes:


If a DJ does a set spinning two spoken-word comedy albums, would you call
him a comedian?



yep!.....:).....michael --part1_ff.1ce33f0.27ac5814_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 13:50:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27159; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:48:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:48:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c08d48$7ac0eec0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: Subject: Re: cheating Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:46:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Eberwein" To: Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 12:09 PM Subject: Re: cheating > Of course, *DJ's* take this to an extreme; taking credit for stuff they > couldn't conceptualize in a 1000 years. But then, few people consider that > the entire techno/DJ thing is just disco married to Political Correctness > [Wannabe Gangbangers singing to China Grove- - - and nobody blows the > whisthle- - -sigh]--Sigh. Whoa.... I have a lot of trouble dismissing Autechre, Aphex Twin, Banco de Gaia, the Future Sound of London, Orbital, Underworld, and a lot of others who are into "the entire techno/DJ thing" that easily. Granted, I've heard plenty of techno/d'n'b/ambient/jungle/triphop/whatever that was awful, and I'm sure there are more bad DJs out there than good ones, but isn't that the case with every type of musician? Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 14:05:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28192; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:03:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:03:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DADEB@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: cheating Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:00:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C08D4A.65856070" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08D4A.65856070 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Of course, *DJ's* take this to an extreme; taking credit for stuff they > couldn't conceptualize in a 1000 years. But then, few people consider that > the entire techno/DJ thing is just disco married to Political Correctness > [Wannabe Gangbangers singing to China Grove- - - and nobody blows the > whisthle- - -sigh]--Sigh. Whoa.... I have a lot of trouble dismissing Autechre, Aphex Twin, Banco de Gaia, the Future Sound of London, Orbital, Underworld, and a lot of others who are into "the entire techno/DJ thing" that easily. Granted, I've heard plenty of techno/d'n'b/ambient/jungle/triphop/whatever that was awful, and I'm sure there are more bad DJs out there than good ones, but isn't that the case with every type of musician? ** good rock, bad rock good classical, bad classical good hip-hop, bad hip-hop good be-bop, bad be-bop good techno, bad techno good disco, bad disco good funk, bad funk good ska, bad ska good reggae, bad reggae good metal, bad metal good avant-garde, bad avant-garde good looping, bad looping good blues, bad blues good country, bad country ymmv stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08D4A.65856070 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: cheating



> Of course, *DJ's* take this to an extreme; taking credit for stuff they
> couldn't conceptualize in a 1000 years. But then, few people consider that
> the entire techno/DJ thing is just disco married to Political Correctness
> [Wannabe Gangbangers singing to China Grove- - - and nobody blows the
> whisthle- - -sigh]--Sigh.


Whoa....  I have a lot of trouble dismissing Autechre, Aphex Twin, Banco de
Gaia, the Future Sound of London, Orbital, Underworld, and a lot of others
who are into "the entire techno/DJ thing" that easily.  Granted, I've heard
plenty of techno/d'n'b/ambient/jungle/triphop/whatever that was awful, and
I'm sure there are more bad DJs out there than good ones, but isn't that the
case with every type of musician?

**
good rock, bad rock
good classical, bad classical
good hip-hop, bad hip-hop
good be-bop, bad be-bop
good techno, bad techno
good disco, bad disco
good funk, bad funk
good ska, bad ska
good reggae, bad reggae
good metal, bad metal
good avant-garde, bad avant-garde
good looping, bad looping
good blues, bad blues
good country, bad country

ymmv

stig


------_=_NextPart_001_01C08D4A.65856070-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 14:12:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28477; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:10:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:10:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b401c08d4b$6a307c80$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> From: "Bob Campbell" To: References: Subject: Re: DJ's=Musicians Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:07:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I know there's at least *one* comedian around here :) Hey, they're all just "music workers", ya gotta love em! BobC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiktok" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 8:53 AM Subject: DJ's=Musicians > If a DJ does a set spinning two spoken-word comedy albums, would you call > him a comedian? > > TravisH > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 14:23:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29065; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:21:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:21:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.139] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Turn All That S**t Off Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 19:20:06 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2001 19:20:06.0667 (UTC) FILETIME=[26A43DB0:01C08D4D] Resent-Message-ID: <-9T71B.A.aFH.Hiwe6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes...it's one step at a time. I have done some looping stuff at the equivalent of a biker bar....and results were a bit mixed. But if only 40% of the audience there opened their minds to new and abstract ways of hearing and viewing things, then I consider it a success. Also I did a little looping bass solo when I played in a country band at a line-dancin' bar in Bakersfield (how's that for stereotype)....and was not recieved well at all!!! Max >From: "Liebig, Steuart A." >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" > >Subject: RE: Turn All That S**t Off >Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:21:40 -0500 > > > > >Hi gang.....That taught me that the same "genaral public" I spoke of, while >they are >spoon fed all of this homogenized "entertainment", wants to be challenged. >We tend, as artist, to sometimes not expect too much from our audience, but >maybe we, as artist, should expect more. >oh....that's a bit more than two cents. > >** i would agree with almost your whole post - - maybe even this last on a >good day. however, i have to say that the kind of places that most of us >play are going to have people that are more open to the sort of thing "we >do" than your average biker bar or country western line dancing >establishment (nothing wrong with those places, mind you, just examples). >while this is a gross generalization, there may be something to the fact >that people of like mind may more likely to go to a hip and groovy coffee >shop, weird music place, or where-have-you. i would like to feel that the >"general public" (whomever that may be) wants to be challenged, but i'm not >so sure about it - - experience has taught me otherwise. i actually hope >that you're right! > >stig _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 14:23:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29160; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:21:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:21:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:20:20 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: RE: Comparisons of EDP to Repeater Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA29026 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeeze... The manuals for both are downloadable. Get 'em and do the research. The Repeater looks great... Does stuff slightly differently than the EDP, which also has an intense feature set. Make your decision. I'd say wait for the Repeater to come out and go demo it... -Miko >>> sginn@airmail.net 02/02/01 10:19AM >>> I agree that they should be compared when both are in hand, but what I was referring to were just basic specs like looping time, tracks, features, etc. Based on information that is already available. Of course comparing each one's useability in different settings (live or studio) is impossible at this time, but that is not what I am interested in now. Thanks, Steve > > > I am wondering if anyone has constructed or posted a side by side > > comparison between these two devices? > > EDP Repeater > ----- ---------- > available not available > > :) > > Hey! It's FRIDAY! > > In all sincerity, let's wait until we have both in hand. A > side-by-side > comparison of real boxes would be real nice. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 14:41:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29895; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:39:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:39:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010202144006.00a423a0@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: robert@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 14:41:24 -0500 To: loopers delight From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: NYC gig hype Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WIN Wednesdays Are Nocturnal weekly series at the parkside lounge east houston & attorney st. features anti:clockwise every weds. in feb *************************** - just what the world needs... another frikkin url - From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 14:44:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30247; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:43:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:43:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DADEC@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Turn All That S**t Off Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:40:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C08D50.0A697F40" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08D50.0A697F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" yes...it's one step at a time. I have done some looping stuff at the equivalent of a biker bar....and results were a bit mixed. But if only 40% of the audience there opened their minds to new and abstract ways of hearing and viewing things, then I consider it a success. ** heck, i'd figure that 10-20% was a good deal. the interesting thing is whether or not there would be any follow-up on their part. sorta likw the ken burns jazz thing. it's all well and good to have this stuff on, but are some people gonna actually delve into it a little deeper - - maybe even learning about the stuff burns "left out"? or is it gonna be, oh it's time for XXXXX now? time tells. Also I did a little looping bass solo when I played in a country band at a line-dancin' bar in Bakersfield (how's that for stereotype)....and was not recieved well at all!!! ** bass solos on country tunes? what is the world coming to? stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08D50.0A697F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Turn All That S**t Off


yes...it's one step at a time. I have done some = looping stuff at the
equivalent of a biker bar....and results were a bit = mixed. But if only 40%
of the audience there opened their minds to new and = abstract ways of hearing
and viewing things, then I consider it a = success.

** heck, i'd figure that 10-20% was a good deal. the = interesting thing is whether or not there would be any follow-up on = their part. sorta likw the ken burns jazz thing. it's all well and good = to have this stuff on, but are some people gonna actually delve into it = a little deeper - - maybe even learning about the stuff burns = "left out"? or is it gonna be, oh it's time for XXXXX now? = time tells.

Also I did a little looping bass solo when I played = in a country band at a
line-dancin' bar in Bakersfield (how's that for = stereotype)....and was not
recieved well at all!!!

** bass solos on country tunes? what is the world = coming to?

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C08D50.0A697F40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 14:47:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30477; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:46:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:46:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A7B0E34.1746738E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:43:14 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cheating References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <71lSiD.A.KbH.E5we6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I've got to disagree with this one. I saw a guy (that's how memorable he was to me) play at an experimental music series at Cell Space in SF. He was doing very dance/techno stuff all by his lonesome on a laptop. I was snoozing after about a minute. His music wasn't bad at all, but frankly, it would have been a better performance if he'd just handed out a cd to us. Now, I know that with all my switching from bass to guitar, and screwing with drum machines and keyboards, and various other devices, I am no party to watch. So, what I do is augment my performances with slides and midi triggered video projections. If I can't do that, I try to play gigs like art openings, where I am not the visual focus. My pal Jason Mombert (who should be on this list) and I used to just pick movies (Tron was one of our favorites) and project them, taking bits of the soundtrack and utilizing it. It seemed to work pretty well. Mark Sottilaro Heyoka_face_eater wrote: > But lets not get too muso about this, as someone else said its about a > "Show" and as long as the "show" is good to watch, I don't really care if > its a guy sat behind a laptop! > > - Aphex Twin did this when I saw him live in MSP... brother laid down on > his bally and played the whoel show from his laptop that way. Had some > peple dressed up as dancing bears too. It was neat :) I never listened so > intently to "dance music" in a club before :) > > Skid Row forever! > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > hittin' them switches on the 20 fo' sevens.. > _______________________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 15:26:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32322; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:24:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:24:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A7B1959.CD350B5D@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 14:32:25 -0600 From: jimmy george X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Buckethead, was 9 discs References: <20010131175052.14397.qmail@web1106.mail.yahoo.com><004c01c08bb0$168b3260$b02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> <00a001c08bb1$f0fc1b20$b02cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com tha was pretty funny to picture! Steve Lawson wrote: > > on a side note - buckethead is now in guns n' roses. > > isn't that bizarre?? > > ...I think Fripp is lined up for the Faster Pussycat reunion, and Terje Rypdal is on for the Poison gig as soon as they call > him... :o) > > ...and hey, if Tigertailz want a bassist, I'm there duuuuuuuuuuuuuuude......... :o) > > Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 15:29:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32491; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:27:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:27:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A7B1810.7DC29ACE@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 12:25:17 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DJ's=Musicians References: <00b401c08d4b$6a307c80$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <36kQT.A.g7H.Pgxe6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com and don't even get started on drummers! ;^) Bob Campbell wrote: > Well, I know there's at least *one* comedian around here :) > > Hey, they're all just "music workers", ya gotta love em! > > BobC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiktok" > To: "Looper's Delight" > Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 8:53 AM > Subject: DJ's=Musicians > > > If a DJ does a set spinning two spoken-word comedy albums, would you call > > him a comedian? > > > > TravisH > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 15:36:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00385; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:34:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:34:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010202152749.02185330@mail.pa.net> X-Sender: rswitzer@mail.pa.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 15:28:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Rob Switzer Subject: Re: DJ's=Musicians In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:53 AM 2/2/01 -0800, you wrote: Only if it's funny. rob switzer >If a DJ does a set spinning two spoken-word comedy albums, would you call >him a comedian? > >TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 15:56:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01124; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:54:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:54:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 12:45:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Turn All That S**t Off Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-PoUr.A.AQ.z5xe6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >And most just don't care, as long as the show sounds like the CD. >They have come to expect a live performance to be exactly like a >recorded one A friend of mine has a long lasting complaint that we converse about occasionally. We are reminiscing about a Helmet show, right between the 'strap it on' and 'meantime' records (91'ish?). I enjoyed the show immensely, but he was very dissapointed, saying that the band was so damn tight, that they sounded just like the record...so why be there? he says he just should have gone home and played the disc...and i was blown over by how damn rock solid they were. didn't sound just like the record to me...just tight as hell. all this from a band with just two guitars, bass and drums. i think that's why some pop/dance artists use the backing track stuff. if the audience buys in, they look all that much more tight and with it. especially all that n'sync and brittany stuff. although the choreography is devastatingly easy and simple (i've seen alot of professional dance in the last 8 years...), there is no way 5 guys are going to dance and jerk about like they do while keeping their breath and pitch under control, and still look 'hot' to boot. Unless they've got some Antares Auto-tunes running behind the scenes...and the engineer has the keys/scales all loaded in beforehand... rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 15:56:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01031; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:54:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:54:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A7B209D.FC6B3ABD@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 15:03:25 -0600 From: jimmy george X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "singing"? References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DADE0@migarexch01.maritz.com> <000b01c08cac$1f31e100$5b0c78d8@com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------EEF56B06EE8B33111BE222F2" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------EEF56B06EE8B33111BE222F2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yea last year. i sang / opened up for sanata aug 1st and tom petty sept 16th at the dallas star plex it was really cool! jimmy george Gary Lehmann wrote: > Ever try to sing in a stadium? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Liebig, Steuart A. > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 4:00 PM > Subject: RE: moby and backing tracks > > > I was watching MTV yesterday (Yes, I'll admit it), and they > showed a clip of > Jennifer Lopez singing her song at the superbowl halftime > show. She had a > drummer, a conga player, and a keyboardist as her "backup > band". I thought > it was really weird that they were playing, but all the > music was clearly > off the CD. > > ** bread and circuses. it doesn't matter to the folks at > home. are you sure that she was "singing"? > --------------EEF56B06EE8B33111BE222F2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yea last year. i sang / opened up for sanata aug 1st and tom petty sept 16th at the dallas star plex it was really cool!
jimmy george

Gary Lehmann wrote:

Ever try to sing in a stadium?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 4:00 PM
Subject: RE: moby and backing tracks
 

I was watching MTV yesterday (Yes, I'll admit it), and they showed a clip of
Jennifer Lopez singing her song at the superbowl halftime show. She had a
drummer, a conga player, and a keyboardist as her "backup band". I thought
it was really weird that they were playing, but all the music was clearly
off the CD.

** bread and circuses. it doesn't matter to the folks at home. are you sure that she was "singing"?

--------------EEF56B06EE8B33111BE222F2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 16:08:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02129; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:06:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:06:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A7B239E.1B6B9FE6@jimmygeorgearts.com> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 15:16:14 -0600 From: jimmy george X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: CD Duplication Question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7kXBUB.A.4g.AFye6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Loopers! Here is a CD duplication question for you: I am making 500 to 1000 copies of a looping performance here in Austin Texas. It will be a very basic package, CD with contact information printed directly on top in a clear mailable sheath/case. Any recommendations where to get these made would be greatly appreciated! I am on a budget and am trying to find the cheapest yet best quality place to have these made. Thank you for your time and expertise! peace and loopon ... Jimmy George From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 16:28:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02829; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:26:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:26:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [62.104.212.93] From: "Robert Eberwein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DJ's Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 21:25:22 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2001 21:25:22.0543 (UTC) FILETIME=[A673E7F0:01C08D5E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre, Hyperbole. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 16:28:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03089; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:27:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:27:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: c7fabf50-5a2e-11d2-968c-00805fc1f894 Message-ID: <959A58EACA1CD211A72400805FA7A04C06A83E78@us4n53.glaxo.com> From: "Moe, Jeff" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Off-Looper Discussion Advertisement for Bass Equipment for Sale Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:25:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) X-WSS-ID: 1665FA441328332-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_d0VED.A.Ds.0Xye6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bass and guitar players: I'm selling a 5 string bass (custom neck; manf. body) with EMG pickups and Trace Elliott bass rig: 250w head with 2x12 w/horn & 1/15 cabinets. If interested contact me and I'll give you more price, features, info. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 16:29:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03084; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:26:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:26:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Lee Barnes" To: Subject: RE: CD Duplication Question Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:20:57 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3A7B239E.1B6B9FE6@jimmygeorgearts.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jimmy, Try giving Shannon Walton at Walton Recording a quick jingle, he'd be able to help you out on this. http://members.aol.com/waltonrec Hope this helps out, or he's able to put you in touch with someone with better info, eh? Lee -----Original Message----- From: jimmy george [mailto:jimmyg@jimmygeorgearts.com] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 4:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: CD Duplication Question Hello Loopers! Here is a CD duplication question for you: I am making 500 to 1000 copies of a looping performance here in Austin Texas. It will be a very basic package, CD with contact information printed directly on top in a clear mailable sheath/case. Any recommendations where to get these made would be greatly appreciated! I am on a budget and am trying to find the cheapest yet best quality place to have these made. Thank you for your time and expertise! peace and loopon ... Jimmy George From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 16:32:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03607; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:30:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:30:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.76.86.65] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: People who write off genres :) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 16:29:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2001 21:29:15.0908 (UTC) FILETIME=[318C9440:01C08D5F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Think of it this way, Andre (and some other folks)... At least you now know who to take off your list of potential/future collaborators. :) Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 16:34:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03863; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:31:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:31:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RGBLA@aol.com Message-ID: <39.1025ac0a.27ac80d9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:30:01 EST Subject: Re: Comparisons of EDP to Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out: http://www.gibson.com/products/oberheim/ob2.html and: http://www.electrixpro.com/index.htm Roger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 16:35:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04106; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:34:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:34:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: c7fabf50-5a2e-11d2-968c-00805fc1f894 Message-ID: <959A58EACA1CD211A72400805FA7A04C06A83E7B@us4n53.glaxo.com> From: "Moe, Jeff" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: off-discusion Equipment Ad redux Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:32:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) X-WSS-ID: 1665F81A1329391-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Previous posting didn't include email return address which is: jlm20605@gsk.com Bass and guitar players: I'm selling a 5 string bass (custom neck; manf. body) with EMG pickups and Trace Elliott bass rig: 250w head with 2x12 w/horn & 1/15 cabinets. If interested contact me and I'll give you more price, features, info. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 16:43:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04673; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:40:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:40:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200102022139.NAA22872@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 13:40:32 -0700 Subject: Re: cheating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3063966033_188839_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3063966033_188839_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ---------- From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: cheating Date: Fri, Feb 2, 2001, 12:00 PM bad days, worse days... good surf, bad surf stanner ** good rock, bad rock good classical, bad classical good hip-hop, bad hip-hop good be-bop, bad be-bop good techno, bad techno good disco, bad disco good funk, bad funk good ska, bad ska good reggae, bad reggae good metal, bad metal good avant-garde, bad avant-garde good looping, bad looping good blues, bad blues good country, bad country ymmv stig --MS_Mac_OE_3063966033_188839_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: cheating
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From: "Liebig, Steuart A." <Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com>
To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" <Loopers-Delight@l= oopers-delight.com>
Subject: RE: cheating
Date: Fri, Feb 2, 2001, 12:00 PM







bad days, worse days...
good surf, bad surf
   
stanner   

**
good rock, bad rock
good classical, bad classical
good hip-hop, bad hip-hop
good be-bop, bad be-bop
good techno, bad techno
good disco, bad disco
good funk, bad funk
good ska, bad ska
good reggae, bad reggae
good metal, bad metal
good avant-garde, bad avant-garde
good looping, bad looping
good blues, bad blues
good country, bad country

ymmv

stig

--MS_Mac_OE_3063966033_188839_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 16:51:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04826; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:49:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:49:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DJ's Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 13:48:08 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2001 21:48:09.0046 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4F3B760:01C08D61] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, there seems to be 2 different groups of people who refer to themselves as DJ's. One group will play techno records during their performance, and not really alter them too much other than making the beats match up between songs for a smooth transition. These are the guys who make "mix tapes". While doing these transitions is an interesting skill, I have a hard time referring to members of this group as musicians, since they're not really expressing any sort of creativity. They just seem to keep the flow going at disco clubs. Woo hoo. The second group will actually use fragments from different recordings, maybe with the addition of a drum machine, to create original music. (Well, the level of 'originality' depends on the DJ.) This includes turntablists (like Q-Bert), and also people who use pre-programmed samples, loops and sequences of their own creation (like most of the DJ's mentioned on this thread). I have a lot more respect for these guys as musicians. At the same time, they have the ability to be good or crappy just like musicians in any other genre of music. I'll admit, there is some grey area between the two. There are members of the second group who perform like the first group when they aren't composing, for example. It's the guys who are only within the first group though, that make me a little apprehensive about the word "DJ". Matt _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 17:54:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06619; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 17:51:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 17:51:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013f01c08d6b$74d4e3e0$83cc193f@pavilion> Reply-To: "Michael Roth" From: "Michael Roth" To: References: Subject: loop night in Anacortes, was Re: 9 disks Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:56:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_013C_01C08D28.650664E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_013C_01C08D28.650664E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I might be able to come down to Berkley too.(I'm new to this list. see = link for my loopaciousness) I just got hired to do host an "open mic" in Anacortes WA. at The Brown = Lantern on Thursdays from 9pm to 1am. If any one is in the area or = willing to travel, please come. I am one of 2 perhaps 3 loopy musicians = in the area(B. Cypher are ya out there?). I'd love to do an all loop = night after this gets going. In the mean time my Jam Man will be priming = the ears of folks. =20 non-rock-on Michael Rothmeyer www.mp3.com/switchback ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Trey Donovan Drake=20 To: J. Miranda V.=20 Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 10:00 AM Subject: RE: 9 disks Let us know when you do! I'll be happy to drive up from Santa Cruz = for that. Having just jumped into it with my stick/bass/DL4 at Rick's last show, I'm up for more.=20 -trey On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, J. Miranda V. wrote: > Hey, I'll vote for that. I'd like to have one here in Berkeley. I = should > look into that myself. >=20 > Javier > Berkeley, Calif. >=20 > | -----Original Message----- > | From: max valentino [mailto:ekstasis1@hotmail.com] > | Sent: Friday 02 February 2001 3:29 PM > | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > | Subject: Re: 9 disks > | > | > | Hey....wouldn't it be cool if all the Looper's everywhere > | started throwing > | these little "Looping Festivals"? Providing a higher profile > | and public > | view of this new artform we hold so dear. Wouldn't that provide = some > | validation for the use of loops as musical instruments...then > | we wouldn;'t > | be discussing the whole "is it live or is it memorex?" thing. > | Y'know, Rick Walker, (insert deity of choice)bless his heart > | and soul, has > | done the entire world of looping a great service with the > | Looping Festivals > | he has organized.....wouldn't it be cool to spread that across > | the land? > | Maybe we could all play at each others' parties!! > | Max Valentino ------=_NextPart_000_013C_01C08D28.650664E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I might be able to come down to Berkley too.(I'm new = to this=20 list. see link for my loopaciousness)
I just got hired to do host an "open mic" in = Anacortes=20 WA. at The Brown Lantern on Thursdays from 9pm to 1am. If any one = is in the=20 area or willing to travel, please come. I am one of 2 perhaps 3 = loopy=20 musicians in the area(B. Cypher are ya out there?). I'd love to do an = all loop=20 night after this gets going. In the mean time my Jam Man will be = priming=20 the ears of folks.   
 
 
 
 
 
non-rock-on
Michael Rothmeyer
www.mp3.com/switchback<= /DIV>

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Trey = Donovan=20 Drake
To: J. Miranda=20 V.
Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com=20
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 = 10:00=20 AM
Subject: RE: 9 disks


Let us know when you do!  I'll be happy to = drive up=20 from Santa Cruz for
that. Having just jumped into it with my = stick/bass/DL4=20 at Rick's last
show, I'm up for more.

-trey

On Fri, = 2 Feb=20 2001, J. Miranda V. wrote:

> Hey, I'll vote for that.  = I'd like=20 to have one here in Berkeley.  I should
> look into that=20 myself.
>
> Javier
> Berkeley, Calif.
>=20
>   | -----Original Message-----
>   = | From:=20 max valentino [mailto:ekstasis1@hotmail.com]>  =20 | Sent: Friday 02 February 2001 3:29 PM
>   | To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
>  =20 | Subject: Re: 9 disks
>   |
>  =20 |
>   | Hey....wouldn't it be cool if all the Looper's = everywhere
>   | started throwing
>   = | these=20 little "Looping Festivals"?  Providing a higher=20 profile
>   | and public
>   | view of = this=20 new artform we hold so dear.  Wouldn't that provide=20 some
>   | validation for the use of loops as musical=20 instruments...then
>   | we = wouldn;'t
>   | be=20 discussing the whole "is it live or is it memorex?" = thing.
>  =20 | Y'know, Rick Walker, (insert deity of choice)bless his=20 heart
>   | and soul, has
>   | done = the=20 entire world of looping a great service with the
>   | = Looping=20 Festivals
>   | he has organized.....wouldn't it be = cool to=20 spread that across
>   | the land?
>   = | Maybe=20 we could all play at each others' parties!!
>   | Max=20 Valentino

------=_NextPart_000_013C_01C08D28.650664E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 18:33:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08219; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 18:31:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 18:31:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 23:33:26 +0000 Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20010201120815.01830960@mail.dragonet.es> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is no feedback control for the loop, it's a sample rather than a delay but there is a delay before the loop that has feedback and yes you can control that with the pedal. Martin Shellard > From: "R.MUTT" > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 12:08:15 +0100 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:59:37 -0500 > > At 03:05 p.m. 31/01/01, you wrote: > hi max > > is it possible to control feedback in > loop mode with the DL4 ? > > thanks ! > mutt > > > > > > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > Tapeadores > http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/tap > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 20:04:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10162; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:55:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:55:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: partagas.dragonet.es: 193-153-189-236.uc.nombres.ttd.es [193.153.189.236] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20010203015453.01689c20@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 01:54:53 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "R.MUTT" Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.20010201120815.01830960@mail.dragonet.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:33 p.m. 02/02/01 +0000, you wrote: hi there >There is no feedback control for the loop, it's a sample rather than a delay >but there is a delay before the loop that has feedback and yes you can >control that with the pedal. so ... if you are in loop mode with its 14 sec. high quality rec., you cannot produce a smooth fade out based on the feedback loop regeneration, or you can do it by tweaking the feedback of that prior delay ? is there an algorith in the DL4 like delay->loop .. ? surely i've misunderstood your response. thanks in advance ! best list i'm in ! mutt >Martin Shellard > > >> From: "R.MUTT" >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 12:08:15 +0100 >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 >> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:59:37 -0500 >> >> At 03:05 p.m. 31/01/01, you wrote: >> hi max >> >> is it possible to control feedback in >> loop mode with the DL4 ? >> >> thanks ! >> mutt >> >> >> >> >> >> /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >> Tapeadores >> http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/tap >> /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >> > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Tapeadores http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/tap /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 20:43:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11578; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:42:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:42:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 01:44:23 +0000 Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20010203015453.01689c20@mail.dragonet.es> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is no feedback in the loop, it's not like playing into a delay with a high regen time that will fade out after a while, the loop mode is a continuos looper that will play until it's stopped. The delay before the loop is a separate processer that effects the signal before it goes to the loop, think of it as a delay pedal before a sampler. If you want fade outs you'll need to use a vol. pedal. Martin Shellard > From: "R.MUTT" > > so ... if you are in loop mode with its 14 sec. > high quality rec., you cannot produce a smooth > fade out based on the feedback loop regeneration, > or you can do it by tweaking the feedback of that prior > delay ? > is there an algorith in the DL4 like delay->loop .. ? > surely i've misunderstood your response. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 2 20:52:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12060; Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:50:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:50:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.75] Reply-To: "Greg S" From: "Greg S" To: References: <3.0.1.32.20010201120815.01830960@mail.dragonet.es> <3.0.1.32.20010203015453.01689c20@mail.dragonet.es> Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 17:49:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2001 01:49:35.0915 (UTC) FILETIME=[8FCC7FB0:01C08D83] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > you cannot produce a smooth > fade out based on the feedback loop regeneration, > or you can do it by tweaking the feedback of that prior > delay ? Fading out a loop is the weakest point of the DL4 as looper IMHO. In looping operation, the DL4 has 2 modes: 1) Overdub. User continually adds new sound while previous sound fades at a fixed rate hardcoded into the pedal. I'd say it's roughly equivalent to the EDP when feedback is set between 85% and 95% 2) Play. Sample repeats indefinitely. No fade-out whatsoever. Psuedo work-around: with an expression pedal (or by grabing one of the knobs) you can control the mix of the DL4 and manually fade out the loop. That's it. Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 03:32:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20190; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 03:31:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 03:31:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008301c08dbc$47381640$9d936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: Subject: Re: Turn All That S**t Off Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 08:35:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I've played guitar with backing tapes, (once) and didn't enjoy it. Aside from issues of audience perception it's a lot more FUN, (if more difficult) to play as much as you can live.I get a buzz out of laying down a loop using my bezzarre geetarre and then adding percussion using my djembe, shakers etc. Looping lends itself so easily to this way of working too. Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 07:10:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA23317; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 07:08:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 07:08:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Field Recordings? How about an mp3 page? Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 04:07:32 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2001 12:07:33.0316 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3A6E840:01C08DD9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey everyone, You may remember me posting about a CD compilation of music made from field recordings. Yes, that's still on, and no, there aren't any new spaces available on it. I do have an idea that might be fruitful for some of you sonic adventurers though. All of a sudden I can't get enough of the stuff, and I'm looking to build some sort of internet resource where people can listen to all sorts of music tracks built from field recordings (via streaming mp3). The easiest way to do this would be through mp3.com, since they have a nice streaming mp3 system, and don't impose a limit on the amount of space you get. So, here's what I'm going to do, if the interest is there. I'll create an mp3.com artist named "Field Recordings". This way, anybody who does not already have their field recording tracks already posted on mp3.com can post it to this page, or get the track to me somehow (by posting it online or mailing it to me) and I'll post it to the page. The tracks will have both the artist's name and the song title listed as the title. (See www.mp3.com/sourceproduct for an example of this.) Artists can write whatever they want about the track and it will be available by clicking on a link called "song story". Hopefully, the location (as in city, country) where the sounds were recorded will be submitted by each artist. The best thing about this is ALL ARTISTS WHO ARE INTERESTED CAN POST TRACKS. With CD compilations, there's a limited amount of space, but with online mp3 compilations, you can just keep adding and adding (especially since the mp3's go on their hard drives - not mine). I am going to be strict about this in that all the music in your recording must be made from field recordings, and you can't play real instruments in your track. You can't record your own music blaring from a stereo either. Other than that, the other rules I applied for the sake of the CD compilation (time limits, not having 2 people from the same city, submission dates, & photos) do NOT apply to this. Mp3.com itself has 2 rules that I can think of right now. One is that you can't have copyrighted material in your submissions. I think copyright infringers will know how to alter their material enough for that one. The second is that your submissions have to be under 20MB, and must be encoded at 128kbps, 44.1mHz, stereo. Email me for more information, or just instruct me to post it to Loopers Delight. (My posts on collaborative efforts tend to be huge, and I'm trying to keep the tiny details out of this one to benefit people with slow modems.) One last thing: This is easy to do, and doesn't cost anything! If you want to build a themed "compilation page" on mp3.com or another mp3 site, do it! It will be like having a free music festival, only people can find it online, and it will constantly grow! I'll be happy to answer questions about how to do it. Okay, another thing: No, I don't work for mp3.com. I just think that their resources can be put to good use for us. Happy looping, Matt Davignon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 09:08:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25049; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 09:06:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 09:06:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.35] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 14:05:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2001 14:05:11.0026 (UTC) FILETIME=[525FFD20:01C08DEA] Resent-Message-ID: <-mSmwB.A.RHG.1ABf6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you can do a smooth fade of the loop based on the loop's output volume, which can be controlled by the expression pedal. I am not sure if I understand what you mean by "feedback loop regeneration". It operates at a slightly differeent level than a delay line, to which I assaociate the term "feedback regeneration". There is a "pre-delay" in the looper program of the DL4. This allows you to place echoes or "delay-ambiance" into the loop, or into what you are playing against the loop. again, this is controllable by the expression pedal. If you are into delays, the DL4 also has 15 other programs that are digital models of classic analog and digital delays; like the original tube echoplex, Roland Space Echo,Memory Man etc. Now, besides the looper function, which I think is really good (and with sound quality far superior to the Jam Man) the delays are also great for whatever kind of sonic mayhem you might be thinkin' of brewin' up..... Max Valentino >From: "R.MUTT" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 >Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 01:54:53 +0100 > >At 11:33 p.m. 02/02/01 +0000, you wrote: >hi there > > >There is no feedback control for the loop, it's a sample rather than a >delay > >but there is a delay before the loop that has feedback and yes you can > >control that with the pedal. > > > so ... if you are in loop mode with its 14 sec. > high quality rec., you cannot produce a smooth > fade out based on the feedback loop regeneration, > or you can do it by tweaking the feedback of that prior > delay ? > is there an algorith in the DL4 like delay->loop .. ? > surely i've misunderstood your response. > > >thanks in advance ! >best list i'm in ! >mutt > > >Martin Shellard > > > > > >> From: "R.MUTT" > >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 12:08:15 +0100 > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 > >> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:59:37 -0500 > >> > >> At 03:05 p.m. 31/01/01, you wrote: > >> hi max > >> > >> is it possible to control feedback in > >> loop mode with the DL4 ? > >> > >> thanks ! > >> mutt > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > >> Tapeadores > >> http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/tap > >> >/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > >> > > > > >/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >Tapeadores >http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/tap >/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 11:30:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27637; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 11:27:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 11:27:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <67.f45b702.27ad8b16@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 11:25:58 EST Subject: Re: White Noise / Buckethead / Can To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 113 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 2/1/01 4:59:54 AM Central Standard Time, PJBMHB@aol.com writes: << ctually Buck's real name is Brian Carroll not Schroeder. >> Goddammit, you're right.... it's been so long since I was trying to track him down that I got it scrambled. Now that you reminded me, I remember.... Joy, now I'M the guy spreading bullshit info on the internet! I feel so proud :P Thanks. - Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 12:07:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29013; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 12:05:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 12:05:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c08e03$965b8440$5aad1597@default> From: "Italo De Angelis" To: "loopers-delight" Subject: Belewps Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 18:02:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi list...found this on the web...lots of interesting ideas...surely loopers here can do even much better! ;-) regards.........italoop Adrian Belew Creating stellar compositions with guitar loops by Emile Menasché Adrian Belew's sonic sense of adventure is all encompassing. Most guitarists spend their entire careers paying homage to the familiar sound of rock 'n' roll that was born in decades long gone, but Belew has always pushed the sonic envelope. In his hands, an electric guitar is not merely a loud and more fluid-sounding incarnation of its acoustic counterpart; it's a bridge into uncharted sonic territory -- part synthesizer, part voice, part percussion instrument. What's more, Belew doesn't restrict himself to any single musical environment. He'll follow up a King Crimson project with an acoustic album, or a stint in the studio with Nine Inch Nails, or a pop record with his long-time band the Bears, or a tour pounding the V-drums with ProjeKct 2. His most recent release, Salad Days (Thirsty Ear) showcased many of Belew's best known compositions stripped down to their most basic form. In the meantime, the man himself has been moving in a new direction. Working out of his Nashville home studio, Belew has re-examined his sound and approach to composition, a process he goes through every couple of years. "I am developing a new vocabulary of guitar sounds with the onboard effects in my new Johnson Millennium amplifier," he says. "A recent discovery that I made - which is really helping me a lot - is ways to use loops, which I comically call 'Belewps.'" Belew has long used electronic gear to manipulate sounds in real time. One classic example is the way he sometimes mounts a flanger (or other stompbox) to his mic stand and operates the box's knobs while playing. When dealing with more advanced hardware, Belew often uses a MIDI expression pedal to manipulate various parameters, such as delay time, in real time. The latter technique led to one of Belew's more famous unauthorized uses for the guitar. "The way I had it set up," he explains, "you were only hearing the delay - you weren't hearing the original signal. So if I moved my foot, the delay changed, and you could hear the sweep of it - it sounded very much like humpback whales." With "Belewps," Belew has taken the real-time concept even further, actually using loops generated by the digital delays as a compositional tool. He starts by setting up a delay and improvising. When he finds a passage he likes, he records it by capturing it with the Johnson's built in pedalboard. He then plays along with the captured loop to build something new. Belew is quick to point out that these are not merely repeating figures regurgitated by a digital delay. "The loops systems I've been doing have been ones that are not static," he says. "Normally, you think of a loop like this: You play something into [a delay unit] and [the unit] plays it back internally, verbatim. I've been trying to work with loops you can interact with - add to, interrupt and constantly change while you're playing. Every time you bring the expression pedal in, you're tapping into the loop, turning it on or off, or adding to it. You can be playing anything. "Let's just say that I'm just jamming and improvising, and [the Johnson] is actually recording everything that I'm playing into a two-second delay," he continues. "Now, I don't hear that delay until I turn the expression pedal on. So when I push the expression pedal on, I'm going to hear what I just played for the last two seconds. After that, I can continue to play, and that loop will continue play along with whatever new I'm playing. I can take the loop in or out of the mix at any juncture." Once a loop is set, Belew can improvise against it, playing a counterpoint or harmony without altering the original loop. Often, however, he will change the loop as he is playing against it. By carefully choosing his in and out points, Belew uses the expression pedal to replace parts of the loop, thereby changing keys or altering the nature of the rhythm. "If I just briefly touch the pedal for a second - and maybe I'll just play one note - I'm adding that note into the loop," he says. "Whereas if I just briefly touch the pedal and play nothing, it will interrupt the loop and put a little pause in it. So I can be playing along and every so often I can completely change this loop." The one thing Belew does not change in real time is the length of the loop itself. Interestingly, he says he can tune the Johnson's delay time to fit his natural body clock. "I had been working with a maximum delay time of two seconds, and in fact I've found that my natural body rhythm fits a 1.84 seconds better," he says. "So within 1.84 seconds, I can change as often as I want." Belew often likes to enhance the "one-man-guitar-orchestra" vibe by running his rig in stereo and employing different tones and effects to the music that is looping versus the notes he is playing against those loops. "I've found that it helps to separate the sounds," he says. "I usually have something like another delay - usually an analog-type sound set for a 500ms ambience so that it doesn't get too confusing sounding - plus distortion and perhaps a very interesting sounding chorus, which I can bring in and out with the Johnson's pedalboard." Belew says he sometimes chooses two widely different sounds. For example, he'll solo with a distorted tone against a repeating clean-toned figure to create the illusion of "two completely independent guitar players. I've even done something where the delay goes to the left set of speakers, and what I'm currently playing stays on the right. When there's no loop, everything moves to the middle. So the dimensions shift. The sound is shifting from side to side as you change the pedal. It's really fascinating stuff. It's going to allow me to go out on stage and play in front of an audience sounding like two or three guitarists." Belew also uses physical techniques to distinguish between the loops and his live playing. "Once you have a loop you want to play something to, you can either sound like you're doubling it, or you can play against it, almost like Robert Fripp and I play sometimes-the same lines a little out of synch with each other." Interestingly, Belew tends to shy away from other somewhat similar tools, such as sampling, preferring to keep the creative flow he gets from interacting with the loops in real time. "I'm fond of finding little things you can sample into Pro Tools, and then doing all the things you can do to it: slow it down, speed it up, turn it around backwards, cut it into little bits, etc.," he says. "But with Belewps, you really have to just jump in and go." While he admits that his quest to explore new sonic frontiers does require a fair amount of intellectual energy, Belew points out that finding the promised land is really just a matter of letting the music flow naturally. "The pieces that I've done so far sound like they took forever to put together, but they're really only one or two passes of guitar." he says. "But the beauty of it is that it's simpler than it appears. I'm hoping to develop an entirely new sound for myself. I have the components of what I'm trying to do, and then it's just a matter of experimentation and the scientific research of developing it into more than just improvising. The trick is to figure out how to control what you're doing." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 12:50:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29892; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 12:49:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 12:49:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.0.20010203114110.035edee0@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: ths/pop.interaccess.com@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 11:45:46 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Sensabaugh Subject: Re: Belewps In-Reply-To: <000f01c08e03$965b8440$5aad1597@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA29865 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I like the way the Belew approaches his looping in general, he's done this sort of thing with King Crimson for a while. Fripp is certainly a master of that evolving-revolving loop thing that Below describes below. Have you seen the 2 tape series by David Torn? The second tape gets into lots of techniques like Belew describes below, but better since you can watch the whole process and have it described in gory depth by David. It's an excellent series for looping and guitar! Tom At 06:02 PM 2/3/01 +0100, you wrote: >Hi list...found this on the web...lots of interesting ideas...surely loopers >here can do even much better! ;-) > regards.........italoop > >Adrian Belew >Creating stellar compositions with guitar loops > >by Emile Menasché > >Adrian Belew's sonic sense of adventure is all encompassing. Most guitarists >spend their entire careers paying homage to the familiar sound of rock 'n' >roll that was born in decades long gone, but Belew has always pushed the >sonic envelope. In his hands, an electric guitar is not merely a loud and >more fluid-sounding incarnation of its acoustic counterpart; it's a bridge >into uncharted sonic territory -- part synthesizer, part voice, part >percussion instrument. What's more, Belew doesn't restrict himself to any >single musical environment. He'll follow up a King Crimson project with an >acoustic album, or a stint in the studio with Nine Inch Nails, or a pop >record with his long-time band the Bears, or a tour pounding the V-drums >with ProjeKct 2. > >His most recent release, Salad Days (Thirsty Ear) showcased many of Belew's >best known compositions stripped down to their most basic form. In the >meantime, the man himself has been moving in a new direction. Working out of >his Nashville home studio, Belew has re-examined his sound and approach to >composition, a process he goes through every couple of years. "I am >developing a new vocabulary of guitar sounds with the onboard effects in my >new Johnson Millennium amplifier," he says. "A recent discovery that I >made - which is really helping me a lot - is ways to use loops, which I >comically call 'Belewps.'" > >Belew has long used electronic gear to manipulate sounds in real time. One >classic example is the way he sometimes mounts a flanger (or other stompbox) >to his mic stand and operates the box's knobs while playing. When dealing >with more advanced hardware, Belew often uses a MIDI expression pedal to >manipulate various parameters, such as delay time, in real time. The latter >technique led to one of Belew's more famous unauthorized uses for the >guitar. > >"The way I had it set up," he explains, "you were only hearing the delay - >you weren't hearing the original signal. So if I moved my foot, the delay >changed, and you could hear the sweep of it - it sounded very much like >humpback whales." > >With "Belewps," Belew has taken the real-time concept even further, actually >using loops generated by the digital delays as a compositional tool. He >starts by setting up a delay and improvising. When he finds a passage he >likes, he records it by capturing it with the Johnson's built in pedalboard. >He then plays along with the captured loop to build something new. Belew is >quick to point out that these are not merely repeating figures regurgitated >by a digital delay. "The loops systems I've been doing have been ones that >are not static," he says. "Normally, you think of a loop like this: You play >something into [a delay unit] and [the unit] plays it back internally, >verbatim. I've been trying to work with loops you can interact with - add >to, interrupt and constantly change while you're playing. Every time you >bring the expression pedal in, you're tapping into the loop, turning it on >or off, or adding to it. You can be playing anything. > >"Let's just say that I'm just jamming and improvising, and [the Johnson] is >actually recording everything that I'm playing into a two-second delay," he >continues. "Now, I don't hear that delay until I turn the expression pedal >on. So when I push the expression pedal on, I'm going to hear what I just >played for the last two seconds. After that, I can continue to play, and >that loop will continue play along with whatever new I'm playing. I can take >the loop in or out of the mix at any juncture." > >Once a loop is set, Belew can improvise against it, playing a counterpoint >or harmony without altering the original loop. Often, however, he will >change the loop as he is playing against it. By carefully choosing his in >and out points, Belew uses the expression pedal to replace parts of the >loop, thereby changing keys or altering the nature of the rhythm. "If I just >briefly touch the pedal for a second - and maybe I'll just play one note - >I'm adding that note into the loop," he says. "Whereas if I just briefly >touch the pedal and play nothing, it will interrupt the loop and put a >little pause in it. So I can be playing along and every so often I can >completely change this loop." > >The one thing Belew does not change in real time is the length of the loop >itself. Interestingly, he says he can tune the Johnson's delay time to fit >his natural body clock. "I had been working with a maximum delay time of two >seconds, and in fact I've found that my natural body rhythm fits a 1.84 >seconds better," he says. "So within 1.84 seconds, I can change as often as >I want." > >Belew often likes to enhance the "one-man-guitar-orchestra" vibe by running >his rig in stereo and employing different tones and effects to the music >that is looping versus the notes he is playing against those loops. "I've >found that it helps to separate the sounds," he says. "I usually have >something like another delay - usually an analog-type sound set for a 500ms >ambience so that it doesn't get too confusing sounding - plus distortion and >perhaps a very interesting sounding chorus, which I can bring in and out >with the Johnson's pedalboard." > >Belew says he sometimes chooses two widely different sounds. For example, >he'll solo with a distorted tone against a repeating clean-toned figure to >create the illusion of "two completely independent guitar players. I've even >done something where the delay goes to the left set of speakers, and what >I'm currently playing stays on the right. When there's no loop, everything >moves to the middle. So the dimensions shift. The sound is shifting from >side to side as you change the pedal. It's really fascinating stuff. It's >going to allow me to go out on stage and play in front of an audience >sounding like two or three guitarists." > >Belew also uses physical techniques to distinguish between the loops and his >live playing. "Once you have a loop you want to play something to, you can >either sound like you're doubling it, or you can play against it, almost >like Robert Fripp and I play sometimes-the same lines a little out of synch >with each other." > >Interestingly, Belew tends to shy away from other somewhat similar tools, >such as sampling, preferring to keep the creative flow he gets from >interacting with the loops in real time. "I'm fond of finding little things >you can sample into Pro Tools, and then doing all the things you can do to >it: slow it down, speed it up, turn it around backwards, cut it into little >bits, etc.," he says. "But with Belewps, you really have to just jump in and >go." > >While he admits that his quest to explore new sonic frontiers does require a >fair amount of intellectual energy, Belew points out that finding the >promised land is really just a matter of letting the music flow naturally. >"The pieces that I've done so far sound like they took forever to put >together, but they're really only one or two passes of guitar." he says. >"But the beauty of it is that it's simpler than it appears. I'm hoping to >develop an entirely new sound for myself. I have the components of what I'm >trying to do, and then it's just a matter of experimentation and the >scientific research of developing it into more than just improvising. The >trick is to figure out how to control what you're doing." > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 12:53:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30019; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 12:52:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 12:52:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.24] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: preparation and processing - - shop talk Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 17:51:32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2001 17:51:32.0459 (UTC) FILETIME=[F18A33B0:01C08E09] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi....my ABG is fretted (a special NAMM show constructed Washburn AB32 with a Fishman Matrix system, Engelman spruce top and Rosewood back and sides instead of the usual Mahogany). It also has the Buzz Feiten tuning system. I opted to go with fretted as I was working out a lot of chordal bass things, and for some reason prefer the 4 string instrument...perhaps due to fretboard size. But, I have had my heart set on a Rick Turner/Renaissance acoustic/electric now for a while (they are absolutely the best bass I have ever played) and after doing the Solo BAss Looping Festival in Santa Cruz with Scott Kunga Drengsen and Steve Lawson have again fallen in love with that fretless sound (why did I ever sell mine?) I place the clips at different harmonic nodes to produce different overtones. Down around the soundhole (on the ABG) are several very gamelan like sounds (esp. on A and D strings). By attaching the clip so it hangs over the string looslely, it will bounce off the next adjacent string adding still more percussiveness. That same kind of placement on the G string (on a 4 string) produces a very passable industrial-trashy snare sound (it really sounds much better than the SR16 "Trashy snare" sample). I also use chop sticks and Funk Fingers (Tony Levin's Bass Drumsticks which attach to your fingers) to strike the strings both with and without the clips. On electric bass it also works...and I have even used the clips with an E-bow (I use Thomastick Acoustic Bass Nylon/Bronze strings on the ABG so the E-bow doesn't work there). Also...left hand muting while striking the strings with right hand for further drum-like sounds...also works with clips attached. And using the piezos actually hitting and tapping the body of the bass or the wooden part of the bridge. I also wear my wedding ring on my right ring finger (it caused too many problems tapping the neck while chording on my left hand)and will use that to strike the string (combined with a left hand mute) to make a metallic side-stick sort of sound, or, at the right harmonic even a high tabla sound. I use artificial harmonics a lot to add dimension to drum-like figures. Loopy....Max Valentino >From: "Liebig, Steuart A." >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" > >Subject: preparation and processing - - shop talk >Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:06:54 -0500 > > > >>But then I took it one step further: I began using my acoustic bass >guitar > >>more for solo/loop stuff, and began playing the body of the bass as a > >>percussion instrument and making loops in real time with that. Now I > >>prepare the bass with aligator clips for faux gamelan type sounds, use > >>chopsticks, different muting techniques, and, of course, sound >processing > >>to alter the timbres. > >** yeah. i actually do this sort of thing on my 6-string electric basses >(though some see this as *only* sound effects) by using a piezo pickup >under >the bridge. gives me a lot of body resonance. are you playing the clips >with >anything? i sometimes strike with a spoon or what-have-you. are you tapping >on the fingerboard when using the clips? ever try tambourine tangs? make >nice gong sounds . . . is your abg fretted or fretless? > >stig _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 12:59:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30322; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 12:58:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 12:58:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c08e0a$014218e0$f851ced1@com> From: "Stephen Bradley and Kristen Chamberlin" To: References: Subject: Re: New EDPs for sale Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 12:51:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I also was wondering what year those are made? The new ones are made by Oberheim and according to Kim Flint have some up to date specs which make them run better than the "older" models (like a cool-running power source instead of the old power sources which made the units run quite hot). Just asking because that might also affect the offers you get for yours........just an FYI. thanks, stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:59 PM Subject: New EDPs for sale > 2 new Gibson EDPs, one never even opened, the other used once in a studio > situation. > Both with footpedals. Both loaded with RAM. Both 5.0 software. > Paid $990 each. > Any offers? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 13:09:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31339; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 13:07:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 13:07:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.0.20010203120338.02453ce0@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: ths/pop.interaccess.com@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 12:03:57 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Sensabaugh Subject: Re: How to place Looper in audio path? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can get a lot of interesting setup ideas from http://www.guitargeek.com/ At 09:16 AM 1/30/01 -0600, you wrote: >I am new to looping and have looked through the loopers-delight site >trying to find out the following: > >For a live rig, what is the best place in the signal chain to place a >looper? For example, I bring all my synths and mics into a single small >mixer which I then use to create a monitor mix for myself and I send a >mixed signal (stereo or mono, depending on the venue) to the house >system. Currently I have my effects processor (Lexicon MPX1) on my aux >1 & 2 bus (for stereo) but I am not sure how this would work with a >looper (whether its an EDP, Jamman, or Repeater). Should the signal >going into the looper be dry and then you apply effects to the whole >layered sound? What if I want to just have a freeze type of delay that >is longer than the 2 sec. max offered by the MPX1 (ie, the looper could >do this)? I would like to keep the signal as clean as possible so that >the delays are creating delays for themselves and making a big mess. >Finally, other than some of the suggestions on the tips and tricks page, >is there anywhere I can learn more about what I can do with a looper in >a live performance so that I am not just laying down drone after drone >to underscore a lead sound? > >Thanks, > >Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 13:16:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31579; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 13:15:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 13:15:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <87.668f6f5.27ada490@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 13:14:40 EST Subject: Re: Field Recordings? How about an mp3 page? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_87.668f6f5.27ada490_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_87.668f6f5.27ada490_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/3/01 7:08:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, mattdavignon@hotmail.com writes: > wow.....thanks matt!.....this is another way to hear everyones work.....great effort!.....michael --part1_87.668f6f5.27ada490_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/3/01 7:08:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
mattdavignon@hotmail.com writes:


: No, I don't work for mp4.com.


wow.....thanks matt!.....this is another way to hear everyones work.....great
effort!.....michael --part1_87.668f6f5.27ada490_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 13:27:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31803; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 13:26:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 13:26:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <3c.6fc5182.27ada710@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 13:25:20 EST Subject: Re: Belewps To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3c.6fc5182.27ada710_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_3c.6fc5182.27ada710_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/3/01 12:06:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, italoop@libero.it writes: belew sez: > While he admits that his quest to explore new sonic frontiers does require a > so thats my problem eh?.....michael --part1_3c.6fc5182.27ada710_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/3/01 12:06:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
italoop@libero.it writes:

belew sez:
While he admits that his quest to explore new sonic frontiers does require a
fair amount of intellectual energy
so thats my problem eh?.....michael --part1_3c.6fc5182.27ada710_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 13:33:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31945; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 13:32:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 13:32:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <8d.1f20812.27ada882@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 13:31:30 EST Subject: Re: preparation and processing - - shop talk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8d.1f20812.27ada882_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_8d.1f20812.27ada882_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/3/01 12:52:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, ekstasis1@hotmail.com writes: > (why did I ever sell mine?) > max.....great ideas, thanks.....michael --part1_8d.1f20812.27ada882_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/3/01 12:52:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ekstasis1@hotmail.com writes:


(why did I ever sell mine?)


max.....great ideas, thanks.....michael --part1_8d.1f20812.27ada882_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 14:36:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01055; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 14:32:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 14:32:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c08e1a$2fb72700$a1924e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Belewps Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 14:47:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Italo quoted Emile Menasché quoting Adrian Belew: >"Let's just say that I'm just jamming and improvising, and [the Johnson] is >actually recording everything that I'm playing into a two-second delay," I'm just glad there's no delay on my Johnson ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 14:38:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01246; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 14:37:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 14:37:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003701c08c79$c1feb300$7bb387d8@cliff> References: <001101c08bd1$3ec69000$780c78d8@com> <000a01c08c72$afc5a560$510c78d8@com> <003701c08c79$c1feb300$7bb387d8@cliff> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 17:44:52 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: OT: Computer noise soloutions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi all- > >I will be building a rack mount DAW in the near future and am looking for >resources for quiet power supplies and other PC related hardware- I am aware >of the obvious "build a sound proof enclosure" but this is going to be >impractical for me in the beginning- >Any info you all might have is appreciated- I did find 1 company that has >special fans and power supplies but not for 110v current- > >Cliff I think the problem is not the fan for the suppy (you can easily modify an ordinary supply by putting big enough cooling elements an thus not needing any fan), but the HD and its fan. If you find a good fan, you may lower sound a little, but the HD sounds much worse for my taste since its pitched. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 14:39:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01300; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 14:37:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 14:37:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 17:44:52 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: 9 discs (Christy bands) Cc: cdoran@centralnet.ch Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: 9 discs (Christy bands)
>Victors choice was:
>
>>Desert Island
>>
>>Strange Meeting - Power Tools
>>OHM electronic music set
>
>I think you refer to the swiss band... I just wanted to inform that
>its guitarist Christy Doran tours with a very interesting band called
>NEW BAG and is into loops as well!
>http://www.christydoran.ch/

I think he actually means the OHM: Early Gurus of Electronic Music box set
(which also has nothing to do with the German band Guru Guru).

sorry, I dont know about those...

But, funny that Doran's name should come up here. I just found out
yesterday that I am probably running sound for him for a show in May, Doran
with Robert Dick on flutes and Steve Arguelles on drums, the ADD Trio. From
the stage plot, it appears that all the players are using some sort of live
processing, each requires stereo DI's as well as mics.

Yes, he is touring with ADD, too, but I have not heard this music yet.

I saw Doran a few
years ago, and he was doing some very sophisticated looping (for the time)
with a pair of Roland rack mount digital delays. I'm really looking forward
to this show!

I saw the solo show (acoustic steel string, right?) with the Rolands, but thats rather like 10 years ago...
Now he uses Echoplexes.

stig said:
** the band with ray anderson and han bennink is really cool. loads of delay and loopage if i'm not mistaken. on hatart, two cds.
never heard either...

(I keep copying these mails to him, hoping that he gets animated to share some ideas with us :-)
--


         ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 14:39:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01301; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 14:37:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 14:37:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <001101c08bd1$3ec69000$780c78d8@com> <000a01c08c72$afc5a560$510c78d8@com> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 17:44:52 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Cheating (was: Turn All That S**t Off) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>Important point to me. I was happy we did not have the means to >>save loops easy so far. I think it helps a lot to study and record, >>maybe sometimes on stage, but I am scared of prerecorded loop >>mixing concerts... those could distroy the fascination that we feel >>about looping at this stage. >>-- >> >> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > >Interesting, Matthias...In contrast to a conversation i had with >Damon at the Namm show. He was expressing interest in playing live >with ALL of the loops prerecorded, and funnelled through various >signal routings and effects ON STAGE. So that the 'musicians', who >normally 'play' their instruments and the 'sound design' of the >performance is controlled by the engineers, would now be in complete >control of the sound design. (with the Repeater's >time/pitch/fx/resample functions...the open and liquid nature of >such a performance becomes more apparent) > >He cited the Chemical Brothers as a frame of reference...That the >enjoyment of their live show, for him, was how well they controlled >the whole 'sound'. > >to each his own, eh? food for thought on both sides of the fence. > >rich Ok, sorry, of course its brilliant that the Repeater can also take over the function of a sampler and/or a drum machine. I may be a bit behind in terms of electronic music, too. It does not happen here in Bahia. I saw Carlinhos Brown yesterday with about 20 musicians plus samples - what a confusion :-) I was rather relating to the kind of repetitive experiences we mostly talk about here: The prerecording brings more security/perfection with less work, so it may seduce to loose curage to do a fresh loop live - well I gess veryone understood that :-) Or: Now that we worked out and documented what live loops are and why they are an interesting alternative to electronic music, we can easier mix it all up, and all additional flexibility is positive... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 15:15:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02607; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 15:13:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 15:13:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A7C5990.1930@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 15:18:40 -0400 From: T Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Belewps References: <001801c08e1a$2fb72700$a1924e0c@u73x0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my wife appreciates the long delay on my johnson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 15:59:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03362; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 15:56:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 15:56:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01BBF80C.39B9E240.Jonathan@full-moon.com> From: "Jonathan@full-moon.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: OT: Computer noise soloutions Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 17:50:05 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The most sound coming from my computer come from the cpu fan, as well as the hd fans and the power suppoer. Try www.pcpowerandcooling.com for quieter power supplies and fans. I just got the 275 watt ultra quite power supply. Unfortunately, it doesn't do nearly enough, but if I unplug my cpu fans, it becomes whisper quiet. (apart from the drives) Building a sound proof enclosure isn't nearly as practical as stuffing all your hardware in another room, or in the closet. Unfortunately, barring that, there is little you can do. bIz On Saturday, February 03, 2001 12:45 PM, Matthias Grob [SMTP:matthias@grob.org] wrote: > >Hi all- > > > >I will be building a rack mount DAW in the near future and am looking for > >resources for quiet power supplies and other PC related hardware- I am aware > >of the obvious "build a sound proof enclosure" but this is going to be > >impractical for me in the beginning- > >Any info you all might have is appreciated- I did find 1 company that has > >special fans and power supplies but not for 110v current- > > > >Cliff > > I think the problem is not the fan for the suppy (you can easily > modify an ordinary supply by putting big enough cooling elements an > thus not needing any fan), but the HD and its fan. If you find a good > fan, you may lower sound a little, but the HD sounds much worse for > my taste since its pitched. > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 16:39:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04766; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 16:37:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 16:37:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010203213632.65602.qmail@web9505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 13:36:32 -0800 (PST) From: "PreHeatOven Management Inc." Subject: Re: Wtd: Used Tap Instrument To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20010202014008.24930.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_lITBC.A.LKB.fnHf6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks for the advice. I'll try them. If you hear of any FS I'd appreciate the heads up. Take Care tony O www.geocities.com/preheatoven --- Stephen wrote: > Check out www.starrlabs.com. Harvey sometimes has > used instruments for sale on his site. If not, send > him an email - he may know of people selling their > ztars, or may have some used ones around the shop. > Don't expect strings though... > > stephen > > --- "PreHeatOven Management Inc." > wrote: > > Experienced/Educated bassist/guitarist seeks first > > touchestyle instrument. Any idea where a guy can > get > > his hands on a used Stick, Warr, or similar > > instrument > > in U.S.? > > > ===== > Stephen > > __________________________________________________ > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - > only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > ===== Copyright PreHeatOven Management, Inc., 1998, 1999, 2000. http://www.geocities.com/preheatoven __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 17:10:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06205; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 17:08:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 17:08:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200102032208.OAA27558@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 14:09:32 -0700 Subject: Re: Belewps To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com also-this goes back-belews dci instructional vid from 1984 he shows some in depth use of loopin w/ the 'electroharmonix16 sec.delay'. he was doin so much w/ so little,now that was(is) cool...stanner ---------- >From: Tom Sensabaugh >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Belewps >Date: Sat, Feb 3, 2001, 10:45 AM > >Hi, > > I like the way the Belew approaches his looping in general, he's >done this sort of thing with King Crimson for a while. Fripp is certainly a >master of that evolving-revolving loop thing that Below describes below. > > Have you seen the 2 tape series by David Torn? The second tape >gets into lots of techniques like Belew describes below, but better since >you can watch the whole process and have it described in gory depth by >David. It's an excellent series for looping and guitar! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 20:06:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11507; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 20:04:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 20:04:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001701c08e0a$014218e0$f851ced1@com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 17:02:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: New EDPs for sale Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com all new echoplexes have the Gibson logo on them. the Oberheim logo has not been used for almost 2 years. kim At 9:51 AM -0800 2/3/01, Stephen Bradley and Kristen Chamberlin wrote: >I also was wondering what year those are made? The new ones are made by >Oberheim and according to Kim Flint have some up to date specs which make >them run better than the "older" models (like a cool-running power source >instead of the old power sources which made the units run quite hot). Just >asking because that might also affect the offers you get for >yours........just an FYI. > >thanks, >stephen >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:59 PM >Subject: New EDPs for sale > > >> 2 new Gibson EDPs, one never even opened, the other used once in a studio >> situation. >> Both with footpedals. Both loaded with RAM. Both 5.0 software. >> Paid $990 each. >> Any offers? >> ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 21:22:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13822; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 21:18:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 21:18:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 18:16:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Thanks to somebody! Resent-Message-ID: <_8HpxB.A.AWD.guLf6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi- I just wanted to say thanks to whoever it was who decided to buy a reasonably expensive synth by clicking through one of the ads on the Looper's Delight site. Looper's Delight gets a nice commission when you do that, which helps out a lot to pay for the costs of running the site. Thank you! And along those lines, if you guys are buying some gear or cds or such things online and would like to see some of the price kicked back to LD, feel free to click through the ads on the site. This helps a lot to pay for things and keep the site going. In general the ads are located in the Mailing List archives. If your favorite vendor doesn't pop up in there, let me know and I'll add it. thanks! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 23:09:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16749; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 23:06:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 23:06:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A7E281C.B3C74B8F@mind.net> Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 20:12:13 -0800 From: shara X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Thanks to somebody! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: > Hi- > > I just wanted to say thanks to whoever it was who decided to buy a > reasonably expensive synth by clicking through one of the ads on the > Looper's Delight site. Looper's Delight gets a nice commission when you do > that, which helps out a lot to pay for the costs of running the site. Thank > you! > > And along those lines, if you guys are buying some gear or cds or such > things online and would like to see some of the price kicked back to LD, > feel free to click through the ads on the site. This helps a lot to pay for > things and keep the site going. In general the ads are located in the > Mailing List archives. If your favorite vendor doesn't pop up in there, let > me know and I'll add it. > > thanks! > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com I'm new to the site ....... where are the ads located? Shara From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 23:17:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17182; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 23:15:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 23:15:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c08e60$4e19eb60$b051ced1@com> From: "Stephen Bradley and Kristen Chamberlin" To: References: Subject: Re: New EDPs for sale Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 23:09:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks muchly for the clarification. stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Flint To: Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 8:02 PM Subject: Re: New EDPs for sale > all new echoplexes have the Gibson logo on them. the Oberheim logo has not > been used for almost 2 years. > kim > > At 9:51 AM -0800 2/3/01, Stephen Bradley and Kristen Chamberlin wrote: > >I also was wondering what year those are made? The new ones are made by > >Oberheim and according to Kim Flint have some up to date specs which make > >them run better than the "older" models (like a cool-running power source > >instead of the old power sources which made the units run quite hot). Just > >asking because that might also affect the offers you get for > >yours........just an FYI. > > > >thanks, > >stephen > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:59 PM > >Subject: New EDPs for sale > > > > > >> 2 new Gibson EDPs, one never even opened, the other used once in a studio > >> situation. > >> Both with footpedals. Both loaded with RAM. Both 5.0 software. > >> Paid $990 each. > >> Any offers? > >> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 3 23:35:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17561; Sat, 3 Feb 2001 23:34:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 23:34:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 21:33:43 -0700 Subject: Echoplex for sale From: Tom Mueller To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have an Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro for sale. It has very few hours use, still looks brand new, never left the house. The memory has been upgraded to provide 198seconds loop time. I fabricated footswitches for it using the Digitech style switch covers. There are two boxes of three functions, RECORD OVERDUB UNDO on one, MULTIPLY INSERT NEXTLOOP on the other. The are two phone jacks on the back of each box so that they can be chained together and the switch ciruitry is isolate from the box chassis. If anyone is interested just send me and e-mail and we can talk about price, etc. I live in Alberta Canada. Thanks! Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 07:35:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA25484; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 07:32:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 07:32:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c08ea4$b7141020$e3a5e0d5@pandora.be> From: "Sound Mind" To: References: <200102032208.OAA27558@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Belewps Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 13:19:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I didn't even know Belew ever did loops, and I'm a KC enthusiast. Not a very good one, it seems:) I'll have to listen to PX a little better again. Is there something this guy can't do with a guitar and a little gear? I've always been crazy bout Fripp, but this Belew dude is getting to me more and more. Jan I've put 3 free mp3's up, accessible via my home page at http://www.geocities.com/forimul/index.html . No loops there yet, it's Space Rock between Hawkwind, VDGG, Floyd and KC. I will put up loop stuff in time. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 10:09 PM Subject: Re: Belewps > also-this goes back-belews dci instructional vid from 1984 electronic guitar> he shows some in depth use of loopin w/ the > 'electroharmonix16 sec.delay'. he was doin so much w/ so little,now that > was(is) cool...stanner > ---------- > >From: Tom Sensabaugh > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: Belewps > >Date: Sat, Feb 3, 2001, 10:45 AM > > > > >Hi, > > > > I like the way the Belew approaches his looping in general, he's > >done this sort of thing with King Crimson for a while. Fripp is certainly a > >master of that evolving-revolving loop thing that Below describes below. > > > > Have you seen the 2 tape series by David Torn? The second tape > >gets into lots of techniques like Belew describes below, but better since > >you can watch the whole process and have it described in gory depth by > >David. It's an excellent series for looping and guitar! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 07:37:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA25523; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 07:33:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 07:33:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <25.10dff109.27aea5f6@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 07:32:54 EST Subject: Midi Footcontrol Problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: <8PTdg.A.nOG.PwUf6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can anyone help? I'm using a Yamaha MFC10 midi-foot controller with my JamMan, and I'm getting a delay that's making tapping in loops a bit impractical ( about a twentieth of a second ) So what I need to know is 1) is it caused by the controller, which means I can think about replacing it. 2) is it caused by the JamMan's Midi implementation, in which case I'll stick with the lex footswitch 3) is this just an example of the limitayaions of midi. I can still record an in time loop as the delay is the same on both taps, but some things I want to do just won't work. Any advice/info gratefully accepted Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 08:09:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA26358; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 08:07:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 08:07:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c08ea9$fa201e40$830c1a3f@oemcomputer> From: "become_1" To: References: <25.10dff109.27aea5f6@aol.com> Subject: Re: Midi Footcontrol Problem Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 07:57:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2001 13:06:23.0619 (UTC) FILETIME=[464A2530:01C08EAB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This isn't going to help you, but: I'm looking for a midi footcontroller and was thinking the yamaha looks very good (4 expr pedal inputs!--seems to be the only one out there with that capability), so please let me know if this delay problem turns out to be in the controller... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 7:32 AM Subject: Midi Footcontrol Problem > Can anyone help? > I'm using a Yamaha MFC10 midi-foot controller with my JamMan, > and I'm getting a delay that's making tapping in loops > a bit impractical ( about a twentieth of a second ) > So what I need to know is > 1) is it caused by the controller, which means I can think about > replacing it. > 2) is it caused by the JamMan's Midi implementation, in which > case I'll stick with the lex footswitch > 3) is this just an example of the limitayaions of midi. > I can still record an in time loop as the delay is the same on both taps, > but some things I want to do just won't work. > > Any advice/info gratefully accepted > > Andy Butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 09:18:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27350; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 09:15:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 09:15:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Line 6 DL4 - the Delays Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 15:14:29 +0100 Message-ID: <000801c08eb4$c9f814b0$0301a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Max Valention wrote: > If you are into delays, the DL4 also has 15 other programs > that are digital > models of classic analog and digital delays; like the original tube > echoplex, Roland Space Echo,Memory Man etc. Now, besides the looper > function, which I think is really good (and with sound > quality far superior > to the Jam Man) the delays are also great for whatever kind > of sonic mayhem > you might be thinkin' of brewin' up..... to which I can only agree. I'm not that familiar with the palette of antique delay effects modelled here, but I had been playing in a dub/reggae band where every horn section member and his brother had a roland space echo, somtimes complemented by a Maestro EP-1 (the original "echoplex nondigital nonpro") - with the dl4, you can simulate all the special possibilities and sometimes wanted artifacts of these vintage devices, like tweaking tape speed, tape wow&flutter and (most importantly) feedback levels >1 which then make the special noise floor of the analogue tape&electronics audible. Plus, you can use an expression pedal to control those, and have a prolonged range of delay time over the originals! nb: the dl4 was my first "real" looper (the first one being a RDS2001), and although with the advent of the Repeater I won't use it for looping that much in the future, it will surely stay in my setup for the delays alone. Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 09:51:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27863; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 09:49:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 09:49:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.23] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Midi Footcontrol Problem Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 14:48:49 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2001 14:48:49.0260 (UTC) FILETIME=[95608AC0:01C08EB9] Resent-Message-ID: <_nmoFC.A.OzG.tvWf6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have experienced the same thing using a Rolls MIDI Buddy foot controller and a Roland MIDI controller. I believe it is (the dreaded) MIDI latency...not just the controller, or just the JamBoy. Finally I bought two Boss FS-5U unlatching footswitches and all the lags and delays went away. One thing about working with loops is that your perception of time is heightened. In "normal" playing, that kind of latency, while maybe being perceptible, wouldn't have made such a big impact on things....working with loops has given you the power to hear the latency (and thusly the big drawback) to MIDI. Personally, I no longer use MIDI for anything.....as I can hear a perceptible and bothersome delay throughout...and the more MIDI you use, the bigger the delays. Max >From: SoundFNR@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Midi Footcontrol Problem >Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 07:32:54 EST > >Can anyone help? >I'm using a Yamaha MFC10 midi-foot controller with my JamMan, >and I'm getting a delay that's making tapping in loops >a bit impractical ( about a twentieth of a second ) >So what I need to know is >1) is it caused by the controller, which means I can think about >replacing it. >2) is it caused by the JamMan's Midi implementation, in which >case I'll stick with the lex footswitch >3) is this just an example of the limitayaions of midi. >I can still record an in time loop as the delay is the same on both taps, >but some things I want to do just won't work. > >Any advice/info gratefully accepted > >Andy Butler > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 09:57:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28019; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 09:55:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 09:55:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.23] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Midi Footcontrol Problem Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 14:54:53 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2001 14:54:54.0151 (UTC) FILETIME=[6EDE7D70:01C08EBA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com and....that Lex footswitch is rather cumbersome and not too exacting itself. I would opt for the Boss Footswitches. the work a lot better. Someone with much more knowledge of the MIDI protocol could probably explain better than I just WHY there is that latency.....I can confirm for you that it is there, and suggest you not use it. or...use MIDI to select loop banks, MIDI fade, and feedback lvl (delay mode) but use a god footswitch to tap in and out of loops. Max >From: SoundFNR@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Midi Footcontrol Problem >Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 07:32:54 EST > >Can anyone help? >I'm using a Yamaha MFC10 midi-foot controller with my JamMan, >and I'm getting a delay that's making tapping in loops >a bit impractical ( about a twentieth of a second ) >So what I need to know is >1) is it caused by the controller, which means I can think about >replacing it. >2) is it caused by the JamMan's Midi implementation, in which >case I'll stick with the lex footswitch >3) is this just an example of the limitayaions of midi. >I can still record an in time loop as the delay is the same on both taps, >but some things I want to do just won't work. > >Any advice/info gratefully accepted > >Andy Butler > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 12:55:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31607; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 12:53:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 12:53:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c08ed2$7a0072e0$4b50ced1@com> From: "Stephen Bradley and Kristen Chamberlin" To: References: Subject: CFC Price for Repeaters Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 12:46:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm, Interesting...... These little CFC puppies are quite pricey.........over $600.00 for the 256MB one linked to Electrix's Repeater page on their web site..... Here's the link: http://www.bc-express.com/sandisk/prodlist.asp?mscssid=3M95A03QXXSH2N2N0 Certainly boosts the "real cost" of the unit...... And I still haven't heard whether one can loop real time performance-style off the expanded memory card, whether the loop size is constrained by the internal memory, and how much the footpedal / controller would cost to work the unit without hands.............. cheers, stephen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 13:22:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32502; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 13:21:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 13:21:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006a01c08ed7$2367ec60$2c0c78d8@com> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <000c01c08ed2$7a0072e0$4b50ced1@com> Subject: Re: CFC Price for Repeaters Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 10:20:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <87s-kC.A.t7H.m1Zf6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Bradley and Kristen Chamberlin" > > These little CFC puppies are quite pricey.........over $600.00 for the 256MB > one linked to Electrix's Repeater page on their web site..... > > Here's the link: > http://www.bc-express.com/sandisk/prodlist.asp?mscssid=3M95A03QXXSH2N2N0 > > Certainly boosts the "real cost" of the unit...... > That's 42 minutes of sampling time! Talk about power . . . This thing might not be for everyone--heck, I haven't even thought about buying one yet--but it most certainly will be the first of its kind--just like the Paradis/EDP broke new ground. When they get it right and people start looping with the Repeater, it's gonna be a whole new ballgame. BTW, how's that Echoplex upgrade doing? {|8=P Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 14:26:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01362; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 14:24:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 14:24:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006a01c08ed7$2367ec60$2c0c78d8@com> References: <000c01c08ed2$7a0072e0$4b50ced1@com> <006a01c08ed7$2367ec60$2c0c78d8@com> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 13:40:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: CFC Price for Repeaters Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "Gary Lehmann" >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Stephen Bradley and Kristen Chamberlin" > > > > > These little CFC puppies are quite pricey.........over $600.00 for the >256MB > > one linked to Electrix's Repeater page on their web site..... > > > > Here's the link: > > http://www.bc-express.com/sandisk/prodlist.asp?mscssid=3M95A03QXXSH2N2N0 > > > > Certainly boosts the "real cost" of the unit...... > > > >That's 42 minutes of sampling time! >Talk about power . . . And, that price is quite steep (because it's the largest size...) a 128MB card is $168 at buy.com /t ...electronic a cappella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 14:47:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01849; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 14:46:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 14:46:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c08ee2$30567760$8c50ced1@com> From: "Stephen Bradley and Kristen Chamberlin" To: References: <000c01c08ed2$7a0072e0$4b50ced1@com> <006a01c08ed7$2367ec60$2c0c78d8@com> Subject: Re: CFC Price for Repeaters Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 14:39:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <91g-gD.A.oc.TFbf6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >BTW, how's that Echoplex upgrade doing? Still working on the EDP front....will see what happens. Have one possible lead....and am on Alto Music's next shipment list. And am still also curious about this Repeater thing.......and wanting to hear more when someone gets hold of one of these things and gets much more info to the list about how it performs. -s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 17:45:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06435; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 17:43:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 17:43:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: DL4 with exp pedal Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 17:41:31 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a DL4, but was wondering if a latching type footswitch might work instead of the expression pedal for changes in feedback level. Since I have a DL4, but no latching footswitch, I was wondering if anyone out there has tried this. Basically, what I would like to do is use the footswitch to go between 2 feedback times on one of the delay models. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 18:04:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07213; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 18:02:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 18:02:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 15:01:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Midi Footcontrol Problem Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I seriously doubt that you would hear latency caused by midi itself in this case. midi certainly isn't fast by any current standard, but the time required to send any usual midi command from one device to another is less than 1ms and well below human perception. Certainly a lot less than a twentieth of a second (50ms). Sending a program change takes .64ms and a continuous control messages takes .96ms. Certainly if you are trying to send a large number of messages at once it can add up to where you hear it, but I don't think that would be the case for sending a single message from a footpedal to a jamman. A more likley problem is the time required by the transmitting device to react to your button press and send the message, or the time the receiving device takes to actually do something with the midi message once it gets there. That will vary wildly on the device's processor speed and how it is programmed. Since you both experienced such a problem with the jamman, it could be that the jamman is slow to respond to midi. (I have no idea, I don't remember anyone complaining about that before.) In the Echoplex we knew this command latency would be critical to using it, since as you noted response times are much more critical in looping than they might be for other things. The echoplex has a very tight real-time architecture so it responds to any command within 1.5ms. The inaccuracy of a human pressing a switch is probably significantly greater than that. kim At 2:54 PM -0800 2/4/01, max valentino wrote: >and....that Lex footswitch is rather cumbersome and not too exacting itself. >I would opt for the Boss Footswitches. the work a lot better. >Someone with much more knowledge of the MIDI protocol could probably explain >better than I just WHY there is that latency.....I can confirm for you that >it is there, and suggest you not use it. >or...use MIDI to select loop banks, MIDI fade, and feedback lvl (delay mode) >but use a god footswitch to tap in and out of loops. >Max > > >>From: SoundFNR@aol.com >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Midi Footcontrol Problem >>Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 07:32:54 EST >> >>Can anyone help? >>I'm using a Yamaha MFC10 midi-foot controller with my JamMan, >>and I'm getting a delay that's making tapping in loops >>a bit impractical ( about a twentieth of a second ) >>So what I need to know is >>1) is it caused by the controller, which means I can think about >>replacing it. >>2) is it caused by the JamMan's Midi implementation, in which >>case I'll stick with the lex footswitch >>3) is this just an example of the limitayaions of midi. >>I can still record an in time loop as the delay is the same on both taps, >>but some things I want to do just won't work. >> >>Any advice/info gratefully accepted >> >>Andy Butler ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 18:07:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07365; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 18:05:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 18:05:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A7E281C.B3C74B8F@mind.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 15:04:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Thanks to somebody! Resent-Message-ID: <8j_4uC.A.7yB.4Aef6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:12 PM -0800 2/4/01, shara wrote: > >I'm new to the site ....... where are the ads located? >Shara In the mailing list archive. The top level of the archive is here: http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma/LDarchive there are no ads on that page, but if you browse around in the archived messages from there you will see them. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 20:34:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10838; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 20:31:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 20:31:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010204171428.01e9a710@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 17:21:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: CFC Price for Repeaters In-Reply-To: <000c01c08ed2$7a0072e0$4b50ced1@com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stephen Bradley and Kristen Chamberlin (09:46 AM 02.04.2001) wrote: >These little CFC puppies are quite pricey.........over $600.00 for the 256MB >one linked to Electrix's Repeater page on their web site..... > >Here's the link: >http://www.bc-express.com/sandisk/prodlist.asp?mscssid=3M95A03QXXSH2N2N0 > >Certainly boosts the "real cost" of the unit...... The prices from BC-Express are probably the most expensive I've seen for Compact Flash media. There are a number of folks selling CFC media, you'll want to shop around, just like you would for harddrives, RAM, etc. Also, the price of media like this (Smartmedia, CFC, Memorystick, etc) is generally governed by public demand in a weird way. For example, it's possible that you could find 128meg CFC's for less than one-half the cost of 256meg devices just because the public hasn't (yet) seen the need for that much storage on that device model. >And I still haven't heard whether one can loop real time performance-style >off the expanded memory card, whether the loop size is constrained by the >internal memory... Repeater can stream straight off of the Compact Flash Card. There is no need to first download from the card to internal memory. >... and how much the footpedal / controller would cost to work >the unit without hands.............. Which controller? The one that Damon had a sketch of on the site for a while? That was only a working-concept, not a real product. Repeater will work with/from most any TRS (Tip Ring Sleeve) 3 button controller on the market today, or from an MIDI device that can send CC's. Prices of these devices vary widely... Figure anywhere from $60 on up... Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 21:46:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12610; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:43:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:43:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c08f1d$6f4cc6a0$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers List" Subject: OT: Lexicon Alex Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 18:43:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am looking at a few Lexicon Alex reverbs on e-bay and I see 2 versions- 1 that has the solid bar of color across the bottom of the face just like my Vortex and Jam Man and there is another with blue borders around the different knob sections- Is one older than the other? Any other differences internal or otherwise? Thanks- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 21:58:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13559; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:56:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:56:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.227.31.19] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Lexicon Alex Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 02:55:13 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2001 02:55:14.0081 (UTC) FILETIME=[0FF47110:01C08F1F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the first one you described (with the solid bar of color like Vortex or JamMan is a the newer face plate, which replaced the older face with cometics only. I guess they thought it looked too much like an ART processor or something....internally they are the same, I believe. By the way the Alex is a great processor...esp. for bass guitar. I love mine. How much are they asking for them on ebay? Max >From: "Om_Audio" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "Loopers List" >Subject: OT: Lexicon Alex >Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 18:43:33 -0800 > >I am looking at a few Lexicon Alex reverbs on e-bay and I see 2 versions- 1 >that has the solid bar of color across the bottom of the face just like my >Vortex and Jam Man and there is another with blue borders around the >different knob sections- Is one older than the other? Any other differences >internal or otherwise? Thanks- > >Cliff > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 4 23:07:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15884; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:05:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:05:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c08f27$969c5c20$22aa5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #202 Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 22:55:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #202 February 1, 2001. On this show, I began a month-long focus on Kubusschnitt, a band whose four members are each from a different European country. The feature CD at Midnight was "The Case" on the Neu Harmony label. Kubusschnitt http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#feb ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm RMI Part Three Upstairs Downstairs (Centaur) Thomas Ronkin The Lost Tribes Symmetric (Tristissima) VA [Michael Hoenig] The Vertical Rotating Infinite Horizons (Horizon) Horizon Lightwave Elysian Fields Cantus Umbrarum (Horizon) VA [Soundstate] Ebbtide Moon Aurora (Merck) VA [Richard Wahnfried] Druck * Slumberland 2 (Waveform) 12:00 am Kubusschnitt The Case The Case (Neu Harmony) Kubusschnitt The Soul of the Polymoog The Case (Neu Harmony) Kubusschnitt Techno Cafe The Case (Neu Harmony) Kubusschnitt The Case II The Case (Neu Harmony) Kubusschnitt Sober Morning * The Case (Neu Harmony) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Kubusschnitt, a pan- European band of people from Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, and the UK. Next week's feature CD at midnight will be their CD from the 6 CD, multi-band collection "Concerts at Jodrell Bank" on the Neu Harmony label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 08:35:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA26693; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 08:32:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 08:32:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Posted-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:34:42 GMT From: Thierry Pottier To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <981387256010936@caramail.com> X-Mailer: Caramail - www.caramail.com X-Originating-IP: [164.138.18.122] Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Alesis HR-16 sound Eprom Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 14:34:16 GMT+1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_NextPart_Caramail_010936981387256_ID" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --=_NextPart_Caramail_010936981387256_ID Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone has (or had) an Alesis HR-16 or HR-16:B and knows anything about upgrading, changing the sound by changing the EPROM ??? I can send the dump of the EPROM I have, and I have a 2nd Eprom (the genuine/original EPROM) which does not work that bad, but not that well. I don't know if it comes from the EPROM itself, or from some component which would have been changed when upgrading... Can U help ??? Thanx Thierry _________________________________________________________ Le journal des abonn=E9s Caramail - http://www.carazine.com --=_NextPart_Caramail_010936981387256_ID-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 09:36:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28051; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 09:34:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 09:34:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.215.252.89] From: "Jon Meinild" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bach loops!? Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 14:33:00 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2001 14:33:00.0923 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A898CB0:01C08F80] Resent-Message-ID: <3HZ_gC.A.71G.7mrf6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Everyone! I've been a happy-long-time-user of the list. Now I came to think of something: Anyone knows the canons BWV 1072 - 1078 + 1086 (by J.S.Bach)? They were written at the same time as "Musical Offering" (BWV 1079) and "The Art of Fugue" (BWV 1080), and the M.O. and T.A.o.F. are build to explore the posibilities with one theme and the fugue- and canon-forms. The results in these works are very complex. But at the same time he was writing on the canons, which are going in the other direction! They are only small lines/themes that is repeated over and over. Written for 2 to 8 voices (instruments). They are originally not published by Bach, but written in his students books as practice pieces, thats why they have not got on so many recordings. People look at them as small practice pieces, but they really are the first experiments in minimalistic music! So forget Steve Reich and Terry Riley, Bach did that in 1740! Unfortunately I only got one recording with the canons: Musica Antiqua Köln: Musikalishes Opfer, Die Kunst der Fuge. Archiv 413 642-2 (3-cd). The canons are played very short (from 30.sec. to 2 min.), and I think they should be treated as minimalistic pieces, and played for a longer time. Anyone knows of other recordings? Best Jon (of Denmark) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 11:27:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30928; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:25:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:25:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <06A9F7A44D8BD411AE0E009027DE4F354636A6@mars.plantronics.com> From: "GRAY, Toby" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Good Times Review of the Santa Cruz Loop Frestival Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 08:18:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <0BA4XC.A.-iH.8Otf6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a nice written by Michele Bensen for the local Santa Cruz free weekly paper (Good Times). Link to the entire article with a nice photo of Max Valentino: http://www.gdtimes.com/pages/night.htm As a rainstorm raged outside the beautiful Art Deco walls of the old Rio Theatre there was quite a storm of another kind brewing on this venue's new stage. Tuesday night's world premiere 'Bass Looping Festival' was a great success story for hosts Rick Walker and Laurence Bedford. The avante garde event journeyed into the untapped areas that electronic musica can truly offer an audience. The concept of a 'looping festival' held the promise of musical expansion and also some risk into the unknown creating an exponentially, mind-expanding musical terrain. Rick Walker was the couturier of the evening and shall remain so as the musical director of this new ongoing series, which will explore the underworlds of electronic music. Walker's history and leadership of the seminal New Wave group Tao Chemical, Tao Rhythmical and the innovative World Fusion ensemble, Worlds Collide, proves he has always managed to be at the razor's edge of inspiration and innovation. Trey Donovan took the stage barefoot and gave a stellar performance on his Chapman Stick, often switching mid-song to add notes from his electric bass. The interface of the two sounds was rich and gratifying. Max Valentino came up next and played an extra large acoustic bass that looked like a large guitar rather than an upright bass. The sounds had a crisp resonance unlike the bassy bottom end sounds that emanate from a traditional bass. His third tune of the evening was "Sticks and Tones" (I love the title) which proved his refined ability to be a solo bassist. "Time is Rubber" had unflinching integrity and filled the hall with a stir of emotion. A bassist who displayed a Buddhist approach to playing was Scott Kungha Drengsen. He played meditative drones with chordial cathedral-like melody lines. His usage of a foot-operated sequencer, coupled with his own version of special effects, created an 'otherworldy collage' with accents similar to Scott Lafaro's slapping techniques. Drengsen is proficient on six-string fretless, five- and eight-stringed basses and six-string electric doublebass. He chose to incorporate multiple bass in his movie soundtrack-like performance. Englishman Steve Lawson at last took center stage with the spirit of Jaco Pastrious woven into the tapestry of his technique and his grasp on the language of bass artistry. He brought forth the textures of a fuzzed-out Jimi Hendrix riff or seduced you down a jazzy cobblestone road in New Orleans with "Blue Moon." His hypnotic trance jazz/blues crossover piece "Blue Sticks," had a Zen-like quality to its melody lines. Next you found yourself "Drifting" to distant lands and uncharted looping terrains with this fine composition of experimental artistry. Lawson conjured a sense of time traveling, as he placed the e-bows on the lower strings, resulting in continual watery feedback loops of sound that evoked images of an aquatic world. Lawson's candor in between songs were tongue-in-cheek, with its brilliantly dry delivery, in his lovely English accent. The showstopper was a duet with Rick Walker playing his drum mallets upon the strings of Lawson's bass, as Lawson played the upper strings on the bass's fretboard. I wished that I had a recording of this moment. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 11:40:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31371; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:37:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:37:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 08:35:53 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Midi Footcontrol Problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA31327 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I don't remember anyone complaining about that before.) (Kim discussing MIDI/Footcontroller/JamMan perceived latency...) Hi Kim.. This was what I was griping about 2-3 years ago with my JamMan. I use midi with the Echoplex more successfully now though. Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 11:41:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31563; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:40:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:40:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 08:38:37 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Good Times Review of the Santa Cruz Loop Frestival Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA31504 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> toby.gray@plantronics.com 02/05/01 08:24AM >>> > This is a nice written by Michele Bensen for the local Santa Cruz free weekly paper (Good Times). Link to the entire article with a nice photo of Max Valentino: http://www.gdtimes.com/pages/night.htm Thanks for posting this Toby! I saw it this weekend as well and was planning on alerting everyone... Sorry I missed this event. Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 11:50:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31891; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:47:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:47:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A7EDCFA.1923@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 09:05:01 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: George Washington References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-ffZmD.A.HyH.xjtf6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just saw the film George Washington(beautiful,powerfull work of art!) Forgive me if I've missed a thread(very buisy besides last nights out) Does anyone know who did the guitar loops on the soundtrack,they were incredible. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 12:09:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00430; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:07:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:07:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A7EC2AD.5193B220@sigecom.net> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 11:11:42 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: CMC with Repeater and break music Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Was wondering if it is possible for me to eliminate my CD rack unit if I get a CMC card to load MP3's on to for my break music. Your average MP3 is 4 MB and it seems a 64 MB card @ $129.00 is not such a bad idea. Is this possible? Zing From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 12:21:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00835; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:20:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:20:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A7EDF84.1638B981@magi.com> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 12:14:44 -0500 From: Dave X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: to those of you with mp3.com sites Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings All: I would like to put together a station on mp3.com, of loopy music. Could those of you who are interested post your site addresses. I'd like to check out whats out there. Thanks, Dave www.mp3.com/dlo www.mp3.com/nero From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 12:23:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00955; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:20:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:20:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:19:02 EST Subject: Re: Belewps and Torn Gear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have had the privilege of working on records with DT and Adrian (bummer was I never met or got to see DT play in person :( I know Adrian has an Oberheim Echoplex, but what does Mr. Torn use? There was lots of double speed/reversed stuff going on as I recall (it was on a pop album). John Mark Painter flemingandjohn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 12:48:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01683; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:46:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:46:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c08f9b$87b40a40$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: PDS8000 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 09:46:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01C08F58.74B84020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C08F58.74B84020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a Digitech PDS8000 and have a question for any other PDS8000 = owners- Do you have any faint noise from the box when playing? Not yer = standard line noise- but something generated when you play- I never = noticed it but lately doing lots of loud and clean has brought it to my = attention-=20 Om_Audio ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C08F58.74B84020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a Digitech PDS8000 and have a question for = any other=20 PDS8000 owners- Do you have any faint noise from the box when playing? = Not yer=20 standard line noise- but something generated when you play- I never = noticed it=20 but lately doing lots of loud and clean has brought it to my attention-=20
 
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------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C08F58.74B84020-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 12:48:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01681; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:45:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:45:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c08f9b$87356460$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: Ram Questions Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 09:42:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C08F57.F7099160" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C08F57.F7099160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I plan on getting more ram for my pc- just wondering if there is any = advantage to using ecc - and if ecc can be mixed with non-ecc in the = same system- Thanks Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C08F57.F7099160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I plan on getting more ram for my pc- just wondering = if there=20 is any advantage to using ecc - and if ecc can be mixed with non-ecc in = the same=20 system- Thanks
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C08F57.F7099160-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 12:48:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01838; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:46:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:46:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 17:49:09 +0000 Subject: Re: DL4 with exp pedal From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I doubt this would work as the expression is a 5v voltage pedal so unless you have a latching switch that outputs 5v I can't see it working. Martin Shellard > From: "future perfect" > >, what I would like to do is use the footswitch to go > between 2 feedback times on one of the delay models. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 12:57:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02222; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:51:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:51:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: to those of you with mp3.com sites Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 09:50:14 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2001 17:50:15.0215 (UTC) FILETIME=[185333F0:01C08F9C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Way to go Dave! I have some experimental stuff (much of it loopy) posted at www.mp3.com/mattdavignon I'd suggest either: "January 1-27" which is a collection of 10 second songs using either acoustic guitar, harmonica, or vocals. or "Fuzzy Sweater" which is an ambient song using a casio sk-1 (doesn't sound like it) with a whistling sample. The mp3.com page of music from field recordings I created should be up today. (It's just waiting for approval from mp3.com staff.) The URL will be: www.mp3.com/field_recordings Matt Davignon >From: Dave >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > >Subject: to those of you with mp3.com sites >Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 12:14:44 -0500 > >Greetings All: > >I would like to put together a station on mp3.com, of loopy music. >Could those of you who are interested post your site addresses. I'd >like to check out whats out there. > >Thanks, > >Dave > >www.mp3.com/dlo >www.mp3.com/nero > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 12:57:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02387; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:55:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:55:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: sampling permission Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 09:54:42 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2001 17:54:42.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7A86330:01C08F9C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm going to be updating my mp3.com page, and I was hoping to get permission from most of the people on the first West Coast Chain Tape disc to post the remixes I created as bonus tracks. (They're created entirely from samples of your tracks.) The people I sampled are: Bobdog Alan Imberg Greg Meredith Tavis Weller Scott Kungha Drengson Miko Biffle Is it okay? I won't post these songs without your permission. Right now they're NOT available at loopxchange.com. Matt _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 13:16:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03364; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:14:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:14:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A7EF1DD.2E5F@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 10:33:02 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sampling permission References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fine w/Me!! In fact,a nice compliment:) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 13:17:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03486; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:16:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:16:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <3d.7077ed8.27b0479c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:14:52 EST Subject: Re: Good Times Review of the Santa Cruz Loop Frestival To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3d.7077ed8.27b0479c_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_3d.7077ed8.27b0479c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/5/01 11:24:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, toby.gray@plantronics.com writes: > This is a nice written by Michele Bensen for the local Santa Cruz free > weekly paper (Good Times). > thanks toby.....rick, did you perchance record this event?.....what great reviews!!.....could be the show of the millenium!.....congrats again to all.....michael --part1_3d.7077ed8.27b0479c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/5/01 11:24:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,
toby.gray@plantronics.com writes:


This is a nice written by Michele Bensen for the local Santa Cruz free
weekly paper (Good Times).


thanks toby.....rick, did you perchance record this event?.....what great
reviews!!.....could be the show of the millenium!.....congrats again to
all.....michael --part1_3d.7077ed8.27b0479c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 13:20:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03671; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:18:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:18:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c08fa0$249bbf20$1b86893e@music> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: <3A7EDF84.1638B981@magi.com> Subject: Re: to those of you with mp3.com sites Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:19:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <_LR1V.A.74.k5uf6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" > Greetings All: > > I would like to put together a station on mp3.com, of loopy music. > Could those of you who are interested post your site addresses. I'd > like to check out whats out there. Dave, my project @ http://mp3.com/ulcerate is a little more from the harsher side of the loopy music world, but you can hear how I've incorporated loops, and my trusty e-bow into alternative/industrial tunes. Great reviews thus far in relation to "A Slight Case Of..." and "Deal". Each of these are fairing well on other sites as well. Cheers, Simon ___________________________________________________ Ulcerate - dark alternative/industrial music to conspire and inspire http://mp3.com/ulcerate -streaming & downloadable audio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 13:21:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03848; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:20:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:20:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <3f.10477b1a.27b0487a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:18:34 EST Subject: Re: to those of you with mp3.com sites To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3f.10477b1a.27b0487a_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_3f.10477b1a.27b0487a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dave.....check out.....loops galore.....michael --part1_3f.10477b1a.27b0487a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dave.....check out<www.loopxchange.com>.....loops galore.....michael --part1_3f.10477b1a.27b0487a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 13:33:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04269; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:31:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:31:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:38:21 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Midi Footcontrol Problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I totally support Kim here! Its paradox that the EDP reacts even quicker to a MIDI command than to the foot switch, since I have to wait a moment for the switch to stop bouncing and make sure that its really pressed.... but we are still talking of 3ms! Plus, the same delay applies to Start and Stop, so the loop time should turn out acurate. BUT: The MIDI pedal that creates the command that is sent to the EDP also has the problem of debouncing its footswitch, so depending on how they do it and how importend they consider speed (its not issue at all for program change...), there might be a much bigger delay in the pedal board than in MIDI comunication! Then again, it did not seem that many had such problems so far... Matthias >I seriously doubt that you would hear latency caused by midi itself in this >case. midi certainly isn't fast by any current standard, but the time >required to send any usual midi command from one device to another is less >than 1ms and well below human perception. Certainly a lot less than a >twentieth of a second (50ms). Sending a program change takes .64ms and a >continuous control messages takes .96ms. Certainly if you are trying to >send a large number of messages at once it can add up to where you hear it, >but I don't think that would be the case for sending a single message from >a footpedal to a jamman. > >A more likley problem is the time required by the transmitting device to >react to your button press and send the message, or the time the receiving >device takes to actually do something with the midi message once it gets >there. That will vary wildly on the device's processor speed and how it is >programmed. Since you both experienced such a problem with the jamman, it >could be that the jamman is slow to respond to midi. (I have no idea, I >don't remember anyone complaining about that before.) > >In the Echoplex we knew this command latency would be critical to using it, >since as you noted response times are much more critical in looping than >they might be for other things. The echoplex has a very tight real-time >architecture so it responds to any command within 1.5ms. The inaccuracy of >a human pressing a switch is probably significantly greater than that. > >kim > > >At 2:54 PM -0800 2/4/01, max valentino wrote: >>and....that Lex footswitch is rather cumbersome and not too exacting itself. >>I would opt for the Boss Footswitches. the work a lot better. >>Someone with much more knowledge of the MIDI protocol could probably explain >>better than I just WHY there is that latency.....I can confirm for you that >>it is there, and suggest you not use it. >>or...use MIDI to select loop banks, MIDI fade, and feedback lvl (delay mode) >>but use a god footswitch to tap in and out of loops. >>Max >> >> >>>From: SoundFNR@aol.com >>>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>Subject: Midi Footcontrol Problem >>>Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 07:32:54 EST >>> >>>Can anyone help? >>>I'm using a Yamaha MFC10 midi-foot controller with my JamMan, >>>and I'm getting a delay that's making tapping in loops >>>a bit impractical ( about a twentieth of a second ) >>>So what I need to know is >>>1) is it caused by the controller, which means I can think about >>>replacing it. >>>2) is it caused by the JamMan's Midi implementation, in which >>>case I'll stick with the lex footswitch >>>3) is this just an example of the limitayaions of midi. >>>I can still record an in time loop as the delay is the same on both taps, >>>but some things I want to do just won't work. >>> >>>Any advice/info gratefully accepted >>> >>>Andy Butler > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 13:33:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04271; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:31:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:31:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:38:21 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Repeater memory Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4NpqIC.A.jCB.hFvf6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >O.K. Here is how to break down Repeaters memory. (All files, internal and >CFC, are 16 bit 44.1 WAV files) >It's essentially 5 MB a minute. So internal memory at 8 MB minus overhead >and some reserve for undo etc = 7.5 MB / 5=1.5 minutes or 90 seconds MONO or >45 seconds stereo or 22.5 seconds of 4 tracks. No compression. >On the Compact Flash it's the same formula 5 MB an minute. So 16 MB is 192 >seconds mono, 96 seconds stereo or 48 seconds over four tracks. > oh, 22.5 seconds nice but not plenty... how dificult will it be to use the CFC card to expand the internal memory in the live stage situation? In the CFC Price thread, Mark wrote: > >And I still haven't heard whether one can loop real time performance-style >>off the expanded memory card, whether the loop size is constrained by the >>internal memory... > >Repeater can stream straight off of the Compact Flash Card. There is >no need to first download from the card to internal memory. I think that was not the question, at least not mine. There must be a difference between the internal and the card memory. It probably comes in where you keep recording more tracks without having time to save anything to the card: If you are working on a 23 second loop you run out of internal memory when you get to the last track? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 13:35:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04532; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:33:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:33:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010205103027.01e094a0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 10:31:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: CMC with Repeater and break music In-Reply-To: <3A7EC2AD.5193B220@sigecom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott Winzinger (07:11 AM 02/05/01) wrote: >Was wondering if it is possible for me to eliminate my CD rack unit if I >get a CMC card to load MP3's on to for my break music. Your average MP3 >is 4 MB and it seems a 64 MB card @ $129.00 is not such a bad idea. It's a good idea, but Repeater doesn't know about MP3 files... It stores straight 16bit/44.1khz WAV files internally and on the CompactFlash card. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 13:41:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04746; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:40:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:40:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7BAC931E644ED211A90C00805F65CB64093F4883@georgia.exchange.indiana.edu> From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Belewps and Torn Gear Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:39:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <3iQ00B.A.8JB.VNvf6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't recall you playing on any of my records? maybe my memory is lapsing...or maybe you mean david torn as opposed to me heheheh'' Denis Taaffe dtaaffe@indiana.edu http://www.dtguitar.com -----Original Message----- From: JohnFlem@aol.com [mailto:JohnFlem@aol.com] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 12:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Belewps and Torn Gear I have had the privilege of working on records with DT and Adrian (bummer was I never met or got to see DT play in person :( From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 13:54:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05291; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:52:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:52:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <102465.41@compuserve.com> Sender: 102465.41@compuserve.com Message-ID: <3A7EF62D.55B36A1C@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 13:51:25 -0500 From: tapehiss <102465.41@compuserve.com> Organization: tapehiss X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: to those of you with mp3.com sites References: <3A7EDF84.1638B981@magi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://mp3.com/tapegerm thanks scott Dave wrote: > > > Greetings All: > > I would like to put together a station on mp3.com, of loopy music. > Could those of you who are interested post your site addresses. I'd > like to check out whats out there. > > Thanks, > > Dave > > www.mp3.com/dlo > www.mp3.com/nero -- ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Visit the the home of Hebephrenic, The Hot Buttered Elves, & Sunshine http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/tape_hiss and our sites on the worlds largest online cut-out bin http://www.mp3.com/hotbutteredelves http://www.mp3.com/hebephrenica ~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 13:54:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05357; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:53:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:53:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:57:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: to those of you with mp3.com sites Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Greetings All: > >I would like to put together a station on mp3.com, of loopy music. >Could those of you who are interested post your site addresses. I'd >like to check out whats out there. > >Thanks, > >Dave > >www.mp3.com/dlo >www.mp3.com/nero I have 2: Minus: www.mp3.com/-minus- Admiral Twinkle Devil: www.mp3.com/admiraltwinkledev The Twinkle Devil stuff is probably loopier, though Minus does use loopers live. I also have mp3's from both projects on newandimprov.com ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 14:22:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06688; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:21:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:21:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <022c01c08fa8$e5f39f00$337c0d98@uncg.edu> Reply-To: "insect politics" From: "insect politics" To: References: <3A7EDF84.1638B981@magi.com> Subject: Re: to those of you with mp3.com sites Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:21:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kinda stripped down and in need of update at the moment but.. www.mp3.com/skincage/ thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 14:55:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07662; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:53:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:53:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: to those of you with mp3.com sites Message-ID: <981402744.3a7f047807c5f@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 13:52:24 -0600 (CST) From: Eric Williamson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 24.246.20.43 Resent-Message-ID: <0D1nXB.A.G3B.5Rwf6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have an mp3.com page with plenty of music featuring loops. Four DAW loops (Kingston Ambassador, Gothick Odessey, and drum loops on CP's Acid Circus and Warm Water Journey), one EDP loop (Rub a Dub Dub), and three RDS 7.6 loops (Incidents 1, 2, and 3). the address is mp3.suitandtieguy.com or www.mp3.com/stgb Thanks! Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 15:06:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11353; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:04:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:04:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200102052004.MAA05035@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 12:05:25 -0700 Subject: Re: PDS8000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3064219526_194311_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3064219526_194311_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit i've never heard anything like that when seeing/hearing frisell,and i dont have that prob w/ mine-so who knows wotup?-sounds like somethins loose...stanner ---------- From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: PDS8000 Date: Mon, Feb 5, 2001, 10:46 AM I have a Digitech PDS8000 and have a question for any other PDS8000 owners- Do you have any faint noise from the box when playing? Not yer standard line noise- but something generated when you play- I never noticed it but lately doing lots of loud and clean has brought it to my attention- Om_Audio --MS_Mac_OE_3064219526_194311_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: PDS8000 i've never heard anything like that when seeing/hearing frisell,and  i= dont have that prob w/ mine-so who knows wotup?-sounds like somethins loose= ...stanner
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From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" <bienappraisers@mindspring.com= >
To: "Loopers Delight" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: PDS8000
Date: Mon, Feb 5, 2001, 10:46 AM


I have a Digitech PDS8000 and have a question fo= r any other PDS8000 owners- Do you have any faint noise from the box when pl= aying? Not yer standard line noise- but something generated when you play- I= never noticed it but lately doing lots of loud and clean has brought it to = my attention-
 
Om_Audio

--MS_Mac_OE_3064219526_194311_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 15:42:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12434; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:38:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:38:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008001c08fb4$6231f3e0$5eb3143f@pavilion> Reply-To: "Michael Roth" From: "Michael Roth" To: References: <3A7EDF84.1638B981@magi.com> Subject: Re: to those of you with mp3.com sites Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:43:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007D_01C08F71.4B51C3A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <_LNqj.A.vAD.p7wf6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C08F71.4B51C3A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great Idea! http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/156/alef-switchback.html each song is a melody/solo over a loop or just a loop by itself. It is = all on the sweeter side. also "the long sorrow", "beneath the = boughs","paragon orchard and drum" and "lion's dream" on=20 http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/28/lead_and_thoughts_and_spea.html ------------------------------------------------- Michael Rothmeyer www.ltspears.com NON- ROCK- ON ++++++++++++++ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 9:14 AM Subject: to those of you with mp3.com sites Greetings All: I would like to put together a station on mp3.com, of loopy music. Could those of you who are interested post your site addresses. I'd like to check out whats out there. Thanks, Dave www.mp3.com/dlo www.mp3.com/nero ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C08F71.4B51C3A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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each song is a melody/solo over a loop or just a = loop by=20 itself. It is all on the sweeter side. also "the long sorrow",  = "beneath=20 the boughs","paragon orchard and drum" and "lion's dream" on =
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Michael Rothmeyer
www.ltspears.com
NON- ROCK-=20 ON
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----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dave =
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com=20
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 = 9:14=20 AM
Subject: to those of you with = mp3.com=20 sites

Greetings All:

I would like to put together a = station on=20 mp3.com, of loopy music.
Could those of you who are interested post = your=20 site addresses.  I'd
like to check out whats out=20 there.

Thanks,

Dave

www.mp3.com/dlo
www.mp3.com/nero

------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C08F71.4B51C3A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 16:13:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13769; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:09:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:09:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:07:56 EST Subject: Re: to those of you with mp3.com sites To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com www.mp3.com/tedkillian Several pieces up there, various categories, all contain EDP loopage. Good luck TK From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 16:17:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14373; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:16:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:16:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:14:03 -0600 (CST) From: Heyoka_face_eater To: Loopers list Subject: oragn emulators? Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Boozhoo/Greetings all... I need an organ "module" for a trip-hop (trip-hop is basically the jazz and latin fusion in loop form<- loope content denoted) group I got drafted into. The big 3 modules look to be the Voce V5, The OBerheim OB3 squared, and the Emu B3. The inevitable solicitation of peer opinion : which one sounds the best? Built in FX are not important $700 is my target cash zone, and the smaller the better (to a point, ofcourse). Opinions, facts, rampant speculation? Is there a web page out there with loops for loopers by loopers? many thanks / Miigwech _______________________________________________________________________________ hittin' them switches on the 20 fo' sevens.. _______________________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 16:34:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14914; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:31:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:31:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:30:12 EST Subject: Re: Belewps and Torn Gear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jmp, >I have had the privilege of working on records with DT and Adrian (bummer >was >I never met or got to see DT play in person :( >I know Adrian has an Oberheim Echoplex, but what does Mr. Torn use? EDP & lex pcm42; used to also use Jammen..... >There was lots of double speed/reversed stuff going on as I recall (it was on >a pop >album). which one / what year / what was your role? best, dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL 2 new CD's 2000(@ artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, virgin, tower, etc) 1) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) 2) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD & limited edition vinyl; 65 minute EP--- w/remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) On CeLLDiviSioN / 75 Ark: http://www.75ark.com "Destined for cult status, this should be the guitar record of choice for electronica admirers--- or the fave electronica album for guitar fans." BillBoard Magazine (usa) "..... a chillingly wonderful instrumental CD. Brilliant stuff." Keyboard Magazine (usa) "It's the kind of experience that had me shaking my head & saying, 'Holy shit, what was that?!'. Other flash guitarists can give you occasional transcendent licks, but on this (SPLaTTeRCeLL) CD, Torn gives you a 67-minute cosmic package". Alternative Press (usa) "Damn, this is one gorgeous mind-wrangle of a record!" Splendid SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn [Unable to display image] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 16:46:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15568; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:44:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:44:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c08fbc$2aabce20$886ea8c0@in.bootlegtv.com> From: "Kevin Goldsmith" To: References: <3A7EDF84.1638B981@magi.com> Subject: Re: to those of you with mp3.com sites Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:39:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mp3.com/Intonarumori Unit Circle Media www.unitcircle.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave To: Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 9:14 AM Subject: to those of you with mp3.com sites > Greetings All: > > I would like to put together a station on mp3.com, of loopy music. > Could those of you who are interested post your site addresses. I'd > like to check out whats out there. > > Thanks, > > Dave > > www.mp3.com/dlo > www.mp3.com/nero > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 16:46:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15833; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:45:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:45:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005d01c08fbc$4480f6e0$886ea8c0@in.bootlegtv.com> From: "Kevin Goldsmith" To: Subject: Re: to those of you with mp3.com sites WHOOPS Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:40:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry didn't mean to send that to the list. Kevin Unit Circle Media www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 17:01:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16891; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:59:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:59:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: to those of you with mp3.com sites Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 16:58:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2001 21:58:22.0824 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2080E80:01C08FBE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey- There already is a Loopers-Delight radio station on mp3.com! Several of us are on there. The guy who was keeping it up seems to have disappeared! So I say- Go for it! Add me to the list, but be forwarned, all our stuff is at least 15 minutes long! We're all about droning in the loop! http://www.mp3.com/theymustbemad Thanks, Pete. >From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: to those of you with mp3.com sites >Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:57:01 -0800 > > >Greetings All: > > > >I would like to put together a station on mp3.com, of loopy music. > >Could those of you who are interested post your site addresses. I'd > >like to check out whats out there. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Dave > > > >www.mp3.com/dlo > >www.mp3.com/nero > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 17:03:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17342; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:02:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:02:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looper's Delight Radio is Live!! Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 17:00:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2001 22:00:58.0391 (UTC) FILETIME=[1EC1B270:01C08FBF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dated June 26, 2000: >From: "Matt McCabe" >Reply-To: "Matt McCabe" >To: "Looper's Delight" >Subject: Looper's Delight Radio is Live!! >Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:28:25 -0700 > >The Looper's Delight Radio is live!! > >http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/64/loopers_delight.html > >Thanks to everyone who submitted material. To keep things simple, I only >added one song per artist. If you would like to be included, email me at >finley@skyq.com *not* the list. Just let me know what your mp3 "artist >name" is and the song you wish to submit. You *must* be an mp3 artist to >be >included (you can signup for free). > >Matt > >-------------------------------------------------- >Please use the "reply to" address when responding > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 17:18:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18014; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:16:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:16:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [170.76.75.70] From: "Hung Nguyen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 'Plex for sale Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 16:13:29 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2001 22:13:30.0037 (UTC) FILETIME=[DEC5C650:01C08FC0] Resent-Message-ID: <44TPIC.A.qWE.nWyf6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Alessandro, So any decision on the Echoplex? --Hung >From: Alessandro Ricciarelli >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > >Subject: 'Plex for sale >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:55:06 -0500 > >Hi, > >are you still selling? I just got a Jamman for 690 dollars (!) but I have >until Saturday to give it back for a full refund, and I think that the >´Plex might be better for me. >What I specifically need to do is to be able to predetermine the exact >length of the loop via a Cubase Midi File, in other words, I am creating a >loop that I like, record it, figure out what tempo it is in Cubase, and >then I would like to create another loop with that exact tempo ... >I am writing all this because I am hoping that if you have already sold the >`Plex, maybe you still could give me some advice, i.e. tell me if I should >keep this Jamman or get an EDP in order to do what I want to do. (I do have >a DL4) > >Best, Alessandro > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 17:18:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18035; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:17:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:17:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A7F25E4.B5A7852B@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 17:15:00 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: to those of you with mp3.com sites References: <3A7EDF84.1638B981@magi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sounds kewl, as my son would type, http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/185/echo_17.html homepage; http://members.nbci.com/echo17/tbl.html spread the word, jeff Dave wrote: > Greetings All: > > I would like to put together a station on mp3.com, of loopy music. > Could those of you who are interested post your site addresses. I'd > like to check out whats out there. > > Thanks, > > Dave > > www.mp3.com/dlo > www.mp3.com/nero From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 17:25:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18583; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:23:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:23:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 22:47:39 +0000 Subject: Solo bass looping From: Victor Nicholls To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200102052006.PAA11578@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA18531 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okay. Last month there was the first Solo Bass Looping Festival (well done Rick for the good work). It got me wondering about solo gigs. I am convinced that solo bass is worth at least half an hour of anyonešs attention but what has been other peoplešs experience? I have done plenty of duo gigs where, effectively, I am performing solo, especially against looping machines (a great safety net!). But Išd love to hear more some thoughts on this. More importantly, is there a market for this kind of thing ?. victor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 17:36:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19064; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:34:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:34:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A7F2A1E.DEB517D@fullcompass.com> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 16:33:02 -0600 From: "Jim Schaefer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Solo bass looping References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you have material that can capture people's attention and imagination...go for it! I do solo shows as well as ensemble, and get great responses. There is a market for anything thats good!!! Just go for it...have fun. - Jim Victor Nicholls wrote: > > Okay. Last month there was the first Solo Bass Looping Festival (well done > Rick for the good work). It got me wondering about solo gigs. I am convinced > that solo bass is worth at least half an hour of anyonešs attention but what > has been other peoplešs experience? > > I have done plenty of duo gigs where, effectively, I am performing solo, > especially against looping machines (a great safety net!). But Išd love to > hear more some thoughts on this. More importantly, is there a market for > this kind of thing ?. > > victor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 17:37:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19273; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:35:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:35:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.215.252.89] From: "Jon Meinild" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: oragn emulators? Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 22:34:34 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2001 22:34:34.0930 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0B52120:01C08FC3] Resent-Message-ID: <6h3k9B.A.ZsE.Yqyf6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think they were all "tested" in keyboard magazine (?) last year.. Jon (of Denmark) >From: Heyoka_face_eater >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers list >Subject: oragn emulators? >Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:14:03 -0600 (CST) > >Boozhoo/Greetings all... > >I need an organ "module" for a trip-hop (trip-hop is basically the >jazz and latin fusion in loop form<- loope content denoted) group I got >drafted into. The big 3 modules look to be the Voce V5, The OBerheim OB3 >squared, and the Emu B3. The inevitable solicitation of peer >opinion : which one sounds the best? Built in FX are not important $700 >is my target cash zone, and the smaller the better (to a point, ofcourse). > >Opinions, facts, rampant speculation? > >Is there a web page out there with loops for loopers by loopers? > >many thanks / Miigwech > >_______________________________________________________________________________ > > hittin' them switches on the 20 fo' sevens.. >_______________________________________________________________________________ > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 17:38:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19620; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:37:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:37:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006401c08fc3$faf30880$43c1a518@midsouth.rr.com> Reply-To: "Tardy" From: "Tardy" To: "future perfect" , References: Subject: Re: DL4 with exp pedal Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:35:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <1dRDZB.A.wwE.Asyf6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm pretty sure a footswitch of any type would be incompatible. But the beauty of the way the expression pedal works with the DL4 enables you to set the minumum and maximum values of whatever parameter(s) you need to tweak, so you can smoothly transition from one setting to another. In my mind, that would more often be more useful/musical than the abrupt, perhaps jarring change you would get if you were indeed able to use a footswitch. Tardy > I have a DL4, but was wondering if a latching type footswitch might work > instead of the expression pedal for changes in feedback level. Basically, > what I would like to do is use the footswitch to go > between 2 feedback times on one of the delay models. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 17:44:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19926; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:41:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:41:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A7F2BA9.33E40DE9@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 14:39:38 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: oragn emulators? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you can get a hell of a lot more than just an organ module for $700. I picked up a Roland MC-307 for $800. It's got hundreds of dance orientated sounds, including vintage organs and synths. It also has a pretty full featured sequencer. A nice thing about it is it let's you tweak perimeters in real time via KNOBS on the front of the unit. It's not very small though, more of a table top unit, but I'm sure it could be rack mounted. Mark Sottilaro Heyoka_face_eater wrote: > Boozhoo/Greetings all... > > I need an organ "module" for a trip-hop (trip-hop is basically the > jazz and latin fusion in loop form<- loope content denoted) group I got > drafted into. The big 3 modules look to be the Voce V5, The OBerheim OB3 > squared, and the Emu B3. The inevitable solicitation of peer > opinion : which one sounds the best? Built in FX are not important $700 > is my target cash zone, and the smaller the better (to a point, ofcourse). > > Opinions, facts, rampant speculation? > > Is there a web page out there with loops for loopers by loopers? > > many thanks / Miigwech > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > hittin' them switches on the 20 fo' sevens.. > _______________________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 17:54:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20502; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:52:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:52:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:45:32 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Donovan Drake X-Sender: trey@pilgrim To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Solo bass looping In-Reply-To: <3A7F2A1E.DEB517D@fullcompass.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA20444 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I second that motion. And being that the SOlo Bass Looping Fest in Santa Cruz was my first real solo gig, ever, as a bass player, I'd say the turnout and the response was remarkable...beyond my expectations. I think the thing that carried it was the variety of different musicians and the flavor of their sound and presence. Looping and Bass was the theme, but the music was what mattered. -trey On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Jim Schaefer wrote: > If you have material that can capture people's attention and > imagination...go for it! I do solo shows as well as ensemble, and get > great responses. > There is a market for anything thats good!!! Just go for it...have fun. > > - Jim > Victor Nicholls wrote: > > > > Okay. Last month there was the first Solo Bass Looping Festival (well done > > Rick for the good work). It got me wondering about solo gigs. I am convinced > > that solo bass is worth at least half an hour of anyonešs attention but what > > has been other peoplešs experience? > > > > I have done plenty of duo gigs where, effectively, I am performing solo, > > especially against looping machines (a great safety net!). But Išd love to > > hear more some thoughts on this. More importantly, is there a market for > > this kind of thing ?. > > > > victor > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 18:03:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21329; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:01:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:01:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <82.67c6fb7.27b08a8c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:00:28 EST Subject: OT: Re: Solo bass looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jimsch@fullcompass.com writes: >If you have material that can capture people's attention and >imagination...go for it! imho, people's 'attention' & 'imagination' ---esp. when those people are musical audiences--- are not two brain-areas that are necessarily (nor, even generally) hooked together..... >I do solo shows as well as ensemble, and get >great responses. >There is a market for anything thats good!!! could i paraphrase ya, there? eg: 'there is a market for anything!', or 'there is a market'! *-) best, dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL 2 new CD's(@ artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, virgin, tower, etc) 1) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) 2) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD & limited edition vinyl; 65 minute EP--- w/remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) On CeLLDiviSioN / 75 Ark: http://www.75ark.com "Destined for cult status, this should be the guitar record of choice for electronica admirers--- or the fave electronica album for guitar fans." BillBoard Magazine (usa) "..... a chillingly wonderful instrumental CD. Brilliant stuff." Keyboard Magazine (usa) "It's the kind of experience that had me shaking my head & saying, 'Holy shit, what was that?!'. Other flash guitarists can give you occasional transcendent licks, but on this (SPLaTTeRCeLL) CD, Torn gives you a 67-minute cosmic package". Alternative Press (usa) "Damn, this is one gorgeous mind-wrangle of a record!" Splendid SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn [Unable to display image] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 18:05:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21580; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:03:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:03:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Solo bass looping Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 18:02:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2001 23:02:15.0736 (UTC) FILETIME=[AEA00380:01C08FC7] Resent-Message-ID: <7210vB.A.7PF.UEzf6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw a guy this weekend from Chicago who did a solo gig. Mind you there was no looping, but this guy is amazing! He played drums, guitar, harmonica, organ, mariba, vocals, and at one point did a tap-dancing thing while playing a steel drum! Now the funny thing about it, is that he didnt suck! He rocked! He had an incredibly full sound. He would play up to 4 instruments at one time! The name he goes by is "The Lonesome Organist".It can be pulled off, really well, but I have no clue what kinda hamsters this guy has runnin around in his head to be able to do what he did! An Absolute Must See!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pete. >From: Victor Nicholls >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Solo bass looping >Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 22:47:39 +0000 > >Okay. Last month there was the first Solo Bass Looping Festival (well done >Rick for the good work). It got me wondering about solo gigs. I am >convinced >that solo bass is worth at least half an hour of anyonešs attention but >what >has been other peoplešs experience? > >I have done plenty of duo gigs where, effectively, I am performing solo, >especially against looping machines (a great safety net!). But Išd love to >hear more some thoughts on this. More importantly, is there a market for >this kind of thing ?. > >victor > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 18:05:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21701; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:04:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:04:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.86] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Solo bass looping Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 23:03:02 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2001 23:03:02.0812 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAAF3DC0:01C08FC7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I do quite a few solo bass/looping gigs (and always looking for more!). A half hour? I try to push it as far as I can. The hardest thing is getting people around their pre(mis)conceptions of the "role" of the bass. Once they hear and see what is possible, most are very open to it. Looping helps a lot.....but sometimes the folks don't understand all of that either. Then you just gotta twist their ears, and minds with the kind of sonic beauty that opens them up to new possibilities. By the way...I was one of the performers at the Solo Bass Looping Festival. It was a great and wonderful experience. Bassists and Loopers of all kinds owe a giant round of applause to Rick Walker for having the courage and integrity to pull off these kinds of shows (he's done quite a few "loopfests"). So hey Loopers, let's gather up the the looping community and take it to the masses! Try to organize a looping event in yer own neck of the woods....I'm sure you'll find plenty of company here at LD. Hell....if it's not too far, I'll travel to do one....or for that matter SEE one! seriously....let's all try to take Rick's lead. We have a wonderful community of expressive and creative folks here at LD....pool our resources, and bring this wonderful and expressive form to the public. Bassists, guitarists, keyboardists (synthists?) percussive bangers...voices...duos, solos, trios...all of it! Max Valentino >From: Victor Nicholls >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Solo bass looping >Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 22:47:39 +0000 > >Okay. Last month there was the first Solo Bass Looping Festival (well done >Rick for the good work). It got me wondering about solo gigs. I am >convinced >that solo bass is worth at least half an hour of anyonešs attention but >what >has been other peoplešs experience? > >I have done plenty of duo gigs where, effectively, I am performing solo, >especially against looping machines (a great safety net!). But Išd love to >hear more some thoughts on this. More importantly, is there a market for >this kind of thing ?. > >victor > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 18:08:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22243; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:05:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:05:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:59:15 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Donovan Drake X-Sender: trey@pilgrim To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Very Large Array In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <_9Pgm.A.RXF.kGzf6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Imagine 100 independent looping samples arrayed in a matrix in the middle of a vast expanse of nothingness... This was successfully attempted several times by my friend and housemate Aaron in his "Very Large Array" (not to be confused with the array of radio telescopes by the same name in New Mexico). http://www.antfarm.org/~aaronf/vla.html I thought it might be an amusing little tidbit for this list. I just realized today the significance of what he'd done in the context of looped music and art. However he's quick to point out: "The VLA is certainly loopy in the core, though I don't think that this was evident to the listener. Lack of structure of the sound samples, long loop times (< 60 seconds, though) and interference from neighboring uncorrelated loops all worked to hide periodicity." He's so modest...it was phenomenal. Each unit in the array was clearly looping, if you paid attention. -trey From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 18:11:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22511; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:10:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:10:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: jj179@juno.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:07:11 -0600 Subject: simultaneous, multiple-length loops Message-ID: <20010205.170729.-555819.0.jj179@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 7-9 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've used a Jamman for years and am thinking about upgrading to either a Repeater or, should I be lucky enough to find one, an EDP. However there's one particular application I'm interested in, which I was unable to verify if either of those units were capable of. That is, I'd like to be able to A) record separate loops, *each of a different length*, and B) then be able to *play them back simultaneously* and adjust the mix, etc. >From my cursory reading it appears that machines exist which can do either A or B but not both. Any suggestions? thx, jason joseh ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 18:22:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23163; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:21:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:21:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 15:19:50 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Subject: Re: simultaneous, multiple-length loops Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA23098 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From my cursory reading it appears that machines exist which can do either A or B but not both. Any suggestions? That's correct... so far we're stuck with having to have separate loopers to handle simultaneous DIFFERENT length loops. Which CAN be a very good thing... Sync and MIDI capability drives the price up quickly. Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 18:22:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22960; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:20:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:20:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A7F34E4.622DE2B6@fullcompass.com> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 17:19:00 -0600 From: "Jim Schaefer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Re: Solo bass looping References: <82.67c6fb7.27b08a8c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes that is true. But people that are going to see a "solo bass performance" are not going there expecting to hear commercial pop! How many times have you seen a performer with tons of chops and no soul? I've seen it quite often. Texture444@aol.com wrote: > > jimsch@fullcompass.com writes: > >If you have material that can capture people's attention and > >imagination...go for it! > imho, people's 'attention' & 'imagination' ---esp. when those people are > musical audiences--- are not two brain-areas that are necessarily (nor, even > generally) hooked together..... > > >I do solo shows as well as ensemble, and get > >great responses. > >There is a market for anything thats good!!! > could i paraphrase ya, there? > eg: > 'there is a market for anything!', or > 'there is a market'! > *-) > best, > dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL > > 2 new CD's(@ artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, virgin, tower, etc) > 1) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) > 2) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH > (CD & limited edition vinyl; 65 minute EP--- w/remixes by Charlie Clouser > (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim > Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth > Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) > > On CeLLDiviSioN / 75 Ark: http://www.75ark.com > > "Destined for cult status, this should be the guitar record of choice for > electronica admirers--- or the fave electronica album for guitar fans." > BillBoard Magazine (usa) > > "..... a chillingly wonderful instrumental CD. Brilliant stuff." > Keyboard Magazine (usa) > > "It's the kind of experience that had me shaking my head & saying, 'Holy > shit, what was that?!'. Other flash guitarists can give you occasional > transcendent licks, but on this (SPLaTTeRCeLL) CD, Torn gives you a 67-minute > cosmic package". > Alternative Press (usa) > > "Damn, this is one gorgeous mind-wrangle of a record!" > Splendid > > SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah > Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf > List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn > > [Unable to display image] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 18:51:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24262; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:47:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:47:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010205.170729.-555819.0.jj179@juno.com> References: <20010205.170729.-555819.0.jj179@juno.com> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:38:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: simultaneous, multiple-length loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >be able to A) record separate loops, *each of a different length*, and B) >then be able to *play them back simultaneously* and adjust the mix, etc. Let's say loop 1 is shorter than loop 2. When you record them and play them back simultaneously, are you expecting loop 1 to be silent when it runs out, and doesn't begin playing until loop 2 is finished, then they both start together? If so, then the Repeater will do this... Or do you want loop 1 to keep looping, while loop 2 takes longer and then begins looping, so that they will eventually go completely out of phase from their original sync? If that's the case, then maybe the DJRND3? ...maybe two EDP's w/ brothersync? 2 pennies, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 18:57:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24002; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:45:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:45:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DADF5@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: OT: Re: Solo bass looping Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:42:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C08FCD.5F4E2B80" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08FCD.5F4E2B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yes that is true. But people that are going to see a "solo bass performance" are not going there expecting to hear commercial pop! ** of course, a recent thread showed that even "well-meaning and reasonably well-informed" people can have a problem with what is expected at any given performance; and that doesn't even address people who don't have a clue going in. check it out, 40 years after the fact, people still have arguments over whether or not ornette coleman is "jazz." i would submit that most people have a hard time listening to what is there versus what they expected was going to be there. i think that the "attention/imagination" point is a good one to ponder . . . stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08FCD.5F4E2B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: OT: Re: Solo bass looping


Yes that is true. But people that are going to see a = "solo bass
performance" are not going there expecting to = hear commercial pop!


** of course, a recent thread showed that even = "well-meaning and reasonably well-informed" people can have a = problem with what is expected at any given performance; and that = doesn't even address people who don't have a clue going in. check it = out, 40 years after the fact, people still have arguments over whether = or not ornette coleman is "jazz." i would submit that most = people have a hard time listening to what is there versus what they = expected was going to be there.

i think that the "attention/imagination" = point is a good one to ponder . . .

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C08FCD.5F4E2B80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 19:03:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25148; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:55:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:55:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 15:41:48 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: simultaneous, multiple-length loops In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:19 PM -0800 2/5/01, Mike Biffle wrote: > > From my cursory reading it appears that machines exist which can >do either A or B but not both. Any suggestions? > >That's correct... so far we're stuck with having to have separate >loopers to handle simultaneous DIFFERENT length loops. Which CAN be >a very good thing... Sync and MIDI capability drives the price up >quickly. I programmed a four-channel looper on the Eventide Orville. The loops can have different lengths, synchronized to a common time base. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 19:03:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25923; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:00:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:00:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c08fcf$481c7280$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "Brian Mulvey" To: References: <3A7F2BA9.33E40DE9@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: oragn emulators? Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:56:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > you can get a hell of a lot more than just an organ module for $700. I picked up > a Roland MC-307 for $800. It's got hundreds of dance orientated sounds, including > vintage organs and synths. I'd stay away from anything 'Groove Approved'. Obvious reasons aside, you aren't going to get anywhere near the sound of a real organ unless you get a product designed strictly for this purpose. Organs are electro-mechanical.. much harder to replicate the sounds of an old Hammond then ANY vintage analog synth. 2 things, which make or break an organ sim are the following: Drawbars, and Leslie sim. You want drawbars. You don't want to be programming (you are going above and beyond presets, aren't you?) with Inc/Dec buttons or even knobs. There is one (Obie, I think) simulator module which has drawbars. The sound quality and, uh, existence (!) of a Leslie sim is phenomenally important. If you're not using an actual rotating speaker (about $500-1000 from Mesa Boogie, Voce, Motion Sound) or a _real_ leslie (about the same $$$ plus a few hundred lbs), the sim best be damn good. I hereby nominate the Korg reissue CX3 as best Hammond simulator ever. It sounds awesome, has the tactile feeling (perfect organ action, drawbars that feel the same on my Hammond), and has the 'IT' quality. It looks like something Hammond would make, it doesn't feature obnoxious colors or anything translucent that would match an Imac. It has to be played and heard to be believed. Of course, it's approx. 3 times your budget. But, you could find the older, not physical-modelling, analog original CX3 for around $700, maybe. I hear the leslie sim on that is crappy though. Provided you don't have the neccessary $$$ or simply don't want another keyboard, I've heard good things about the Native Instruments B4 (i think that's the right name). Of course to use it live you'd need a (well-specced) laptop which could easily make it comparitive (price wise) to the Korg. People rave about the E-mu classic keys and vintage keys modules, which contain not only Hammonds, but Farfisas, Wurlie pianos, Rhodes, Clavinets, Mellotrons, etc.. but I've never played them, likewise for the new E-mu module, which Future Music said is a good much-cheaper alternative to the Korg Cx3 (for whatever that's worth, the mag is shit). >Built in FX are not important $700 Fine, but just remember when you hear a classic Hammond organ, the sound is usually 75% Leslie. Brian. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 19:03:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25003; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:54:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:54:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 23:53:11 +0000 Subject: re Solo bass looping From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA24650 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>>>Okay. Last month there was the first Solo Bass Looping Festival (well done Rick for the good work). It got me wondering about solo gigs. I am convinced that solo bass is worth at least half an hour of anyonešs attention but what has been other peoplešs experience? I have done plenty of duo gigs where, effectively, I am performing solo, especially against looping machines (a great safety net!). But Išd love to hear more some thoughts on this. More importantly, is there a market for this kind of thing ?.<<<< playing solo - I guess especially for a bassist or drummer or some other instrument that is traditionally a 'team' player - is the greatest feeling. Maybe i'm just a musical megalomaniac, but I love that feeling of the buck stopping with me, and not having to rely on anyone else to fulfill my musical vision. the trade off is that there's only so much that you can play at one time, so you're at the mercy of how holistically you can integrate technology into your sound, unless you go the Hellborg route and work on solo unprocessed stuff. for me the important thing is having the technology serve what I'm doing - I never add a gadget to my set up until i'm very comfortable with what i'm already using - same with re-patching it; I won't try a new set up out live until I'm in control of it - I'd rather have the random element in the music rather than the technology, so I do use random looping to create textures, particularly with the backwards and pitch-shift functions on the DL4, but my control of the unit is pretty much there. as for gigging it - if no-one else will put the gig on, do it yourself - if 5 people turn up, great, play your ass of for those 5 people, and they'll bring their mates next time. Think not of commercial potential, forget high profile venues until they come to you or you discover an in. Get any recordings you do off to any reviewer that will listen, and keep playing. the biggest danger with music is to think that anyone owes you anything. just do it cos you love it, and if people connect with it, GREAT!!!! if they don't, move on and find your next audience... if people don't like what i do, fair enough, I just feel blessed whenever someone does connect with it, and when an event like the solo bass looping fest comes along, thank whatever God you follow for a one in a million chance (and thank the organiser to - Rick, you're a total star!) that was a great night, and it looks like we'll be able to do it again soon. I also want to do a similar thing in london some time this year, so let me know if you're interested.... cheers steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 19:04:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24700; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:53:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:53:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 23:53:03 +0000 Subject: The organ gy in chicago... From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>I saw a guy this weekend from Chicago who did a solo gig. Mind you there was no looping, but this guy is amazing! He played drums, guitar, harmonica, organ, mariba, vocals, and at one point did a tap-dancing thing while playing a steel drum! Now the funny thing about it, is that he didnt suck! He rocked! He had an incredibly full sound. He would play up to 4 instruments at one time! The name he goes by is "The Lonesome Organist".It can be pulled off, really well, but I have no clue what kinda hamsters this guy has runnin around in his head to be able to do what he did! An Absolute Must See!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<<< I love the idea that there are hamsters in ones head directing where mad music comes from - I'm going to use that - 'sorry, it's the hamsters'... Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 19:06:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26470; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:04:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:04:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 15:45:57 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Very Large Array In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: Resent-Message-ID: <1aJx1B.A.VdG.39zf6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:59 PM -0800 2/5/01, Trey Donovan Drake wrote: >Imagine 100 independent looping samples arrayed in a matrix in the middle >of a vast expanse of nothingness... > >This was successfully attempted several times by my friend and housemate >Aaron in his "Very Large Array" (not to be confused with the array of >radio telescopes by the same name in New Mexico). > >http://www.antfarm.org/~aaronf/vla.html Does this Antfarm have anything to do with the San Francisco Ant Farm, of "Media Burn" and "Cadillac Ranch" fame? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 19:56:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27768; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:54:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:54:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cc01c08fd7$2370a7a0$818ae3a5@poo> From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" To: References: <200102052006.PAA11583@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: recording of the 1st Solo Bass Looping Festival in Santa Cruz Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:52:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, Michael, As it turns out, my good friend (and patron to the arts) Bob Cain recorded the entire festival with an amazing state of the art binaural microphone. Bob records all of the festivals that I have produced and is an amazing resource for anyone who wants to know about live sound recording. Just let me know if you need his expertise and I'll send you his e-mail address. I am not savy to uploading music to the web yet (but I do play a lot of instruments ;-). If everyone who performed is amenable maybe some knowledgeable Loopers Delight techy would be into posting the event? Maybe on Loopers Xchange or something like that. I'm just casting for bites here...........nothing concrete in my head. I know that the tapes aren't even edited yet. Let me know if this strikes a chord with anyone. My e-mail address is GLOBAL@cruzio.com yours, in looping, Rick (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 20:12:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28831; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:11:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:11:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010701c08fd9$97216fc0$818ae3a5@poo> From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" To: References: <200102052305.SAA22080@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: Organ emulators (apologies for slight off-topicness) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:10:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have to say, that if you are in the $700 range for an organ emulator, I would buy one of the Emu Esi32 samplers that they are blowing out for about $6-700 in the Musician's friend catalogue. It is 16 bit and though not state of the art sounds perfect in a trip hop context. You would have to connect with some people to get some organ samples, but the instrument is so versatile with such incredible filters and the great thing is that it is always expandable, something you lose when you buy a closed architecture sound module. There are also so many websites with free samples on the web that it is not funny and you just need a SCSI card in a computer to send them over to the ESI32. That's how I'd spend my $700 of organ money! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 20:13:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28849; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:11:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:11:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:04:58 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Donovan Drake X-Sender: trey@pilgrim To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com cc: Rick Walker Subject: Re: recording of the 1st Solo Bass Looping Festival in Santa Cruz In-Reply-To: <00cc01c08fd7$2370a7a0$818ae3a5@poo> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <5i_ouB.A.LCH.f80f6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > If everyone who performed is amenable maybe some knowledgeable Loopers > Delight techy would be into posting the event? Maybe on Loopers Xchange or > something like that. > I'm just casting for bites here...........nothing concrete in my head. I > know that the tapes aren't even > edited yet. > I'd be ok with having it posted, and I can lend technical assistance with uploading and editing with a protools system if needed... -trey From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 20:37:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29857; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:34:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:34:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:25:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Very Large Array Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Does this Antfarm have anything to do with the San Francisco Ant >Farm, of "Media Burn" and "Cadillac Ranch" fame? mmmm...now i got my curiosity going...are you referring to the now SF based band Giant Ant Farm? elvis costello meets tom waits meets squirrel nut zippers kinda thing? If this is the band your referring to...do you have any info on them? best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 20:39:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30159; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:37:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:37:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <9f.10d4710b.27b0af14@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:36:20 EST Subject: Re: OT: Re: Solo bass looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jimsch@fullcompass.com writes: >Yes that is true. But people that are going to see a "solo bass >performance" are not going there expecting to hear commercial pop! >How many times have you seen a performer with tons of chops and no soul? >I've seen it quite often. yeah. i didn't really mean anything serious w/my comment: was just being 'clever'. best, dt / SPLaTTeRjerk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 20:45:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30566; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:43:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:43:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <13.110b8a71.27b0b087@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:42:31 EST Subject: Re: OT: Re: Solo bass looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <5rxHxD.A.ocH.qa1f6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes: >i would submit that most >people have a hard time listening to what is there versus what they expected >was going to be there. i can personally attest to that seemingly regular eventuality. the actual appearance of 'artistic evolution', itself, is not conducive to to fulfilling listeners' expectations/pre-conceptions, eh? >i think that the "attention/imagination" point is a good one to ponder me, too..... dt / PoNDeRCeLL 2 new CD's(@ artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, virgin, tower, etc) 1) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) 2) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD & limited edition vinyl; 65 minute EP--- w/remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) On CeLLDiviSioN / 75 Ark: http://www.75ark.com "Destined for cult status, this should be the guitar record of choice for electronica admirers--- or the fave electronica album for guitar fans." BillBoard Magazine (usa) "..... a chillingly wonderful instrumental CD. Brilliant stuff." Keyboard Magazine (usa) "It's the kind of experience that had me shaking my head & saying, 'Holy shit, what was that?!'. Other flash guitarists can give you occasional transcendent licks, but on this (SPLaTTeRCeLL) CD, Torn gives you a 67-minute cosmic package". Alternative Press (usa) "Damn, this is one gorgeous mind-wrangle of a record!" Splendid SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn [Unable to display image] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 21:22:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32003; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 21:20:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 21:20:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.172] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Very Large Array Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 19:18:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2001 02:18:59.0378 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A24D920:01C08FE3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow rich, you know Giant Ant Farm? I used to know Dren a few years ago and Jerry the trombone player is in a group with my boss. Either they are more well known then I thought, this list has really eclectic tastes among its members (I guess that should be a given) or its a small world. Probably all three. Anyway, I thought GAF broke up when Dren moved from Long Beach up to San Francisco. Do you know something different? They were a great band. -Skully >>Does this Antfarm have anything to do with the San Francisco Ant >>Farm, of "Media Burn" and "Cadillac Ranch" fame? > >mmmm...now i got my curiosity going...are you referring to the now SF >based band Giant Ant Farm? elvis costello meets tom waits meets >squirrel nut zippers kinda thing? > >If this is the band your referring to...do you have any info on them? > >best, > >rich > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 21:34:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32503; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 21:33:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 21:33:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <81.681421b.27b0bbe8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 21:31:04 EST Subject: Re: Belewps and Torn Gear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It was a "Jewel" album(the tracks were never released)...We were working at Bearsville with Tony Levin and Jerry Marotta etc....Producer was Peter Collins and the most memorable track was called "Carnivore" had lots of trans-trem sounding stuff, and tere was another I remember with the Acoustic/Koto with Paper Clips on the strings trick (I have since ripped that one off....sorry). I was the String Arranger, Accordion, Trumpet etc... John Mark Painter flemingandjohn.com >>There was lots of double speed/reversed stuff going on as I recall (it was on >>a pop >>album). >which one / what year / what was your role? >best, >dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 22:09:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00993; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 22:07:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 22:07:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater memory Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:06:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >If you are working on a 23 second loop you run out of internal memory >when you get to the last track? If you are going to work on a 23 second loop that will only have 3 tracks then internal memory would be ample. (remember Repeaters internal memory is 90 seconds "track" record time). What would happen if you went to record on track 4 is it would stop recording at 21 seconds (23 X 3= 69, 90 - 69= 21). NO this does not mean Repeater can play loops of different lengths at the same time. This just means you will have 21 seconds of recorded material and 2 seconds of silence on track 4. So... you could use track 4 in this case to add vocal hits or trumpet blasts or guitar licks etc. If you think you will be making a 23 second or higher loop, that will require 4 full tracks, then just record directly to the CFC card. the 16 MB card that will ship with Repeater will give you 190 seconds of "track" record time. so you could have a: 190 second mono loop 95 second stereo loop 63.3 second 3 track loop 47.5 second 4 track loop. There is a division between the memory spaces. Think of it like two ram based hard drives. One is internal and the other is removable. You can't have half a loop in the internal memory and half on the CFC. Hope this helps... Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 22:51:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01863; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 22:49:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 22:49:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008d01c08fef$895245c0$e51c500c@default> From: "William Green" To: References: <3A7EDF84.1638B981@magi.com> Subject: Re: to those of you with mp3.com sites Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:47:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dave.... I have several ambient soundscapes created with various midi loopers at: www.mp3.com/willgreen Will From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 23:01:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02508; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 23:00:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 23:00:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 02:07:51 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Repeater memory Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice, Damon! > >If you are working on a 23 second loop you run out of internal memory > >when you get to the last track? > >If you think you will >be making a 23 second or higher loop, that will require 4 full tracks, then >just record directly to the CFC card. This nearly answers my question and looks very good. What do I have to do to define that I record to CFC (possible on stage)? Is there anything I cannot do if I record to the CFC card? Or: what do we need the internal memory for? Thank you Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 23:17:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03018; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 23:16:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 23:16:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 22:15:56 -0600 (CST) From: spaceloop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: to those of you with mp3.com sites In-Reply-To: <008d01c08fef$895245c0$e51c500c@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have an mp3.com page at http://www.mp3.com/luxaeterna7 all my songs have EDP looping. -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 23:18:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02981; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 23:16:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 23:16:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 20:08:10 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Very Large Array In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:25 PM -0800 2/5/01, rich wrote: >mmmm...now i got my curiosity going...are you referring to the now >SF based band Giant Ant Farm? elvis costello meets tom waits meets >squirrel nut zippers kinda thing? > >If this is the band your referring to...do you have any info on them? The Ant Farm was not a musical group. They were primarily architects and media artists. Two of their strongest images have been appropriated, by the punk band the Plasmatics (Wendy O. Williams' driving a bus through a pile of burning television sets was a direct rip off of Media Burn) and by the Hard Rock Cafe (the Cadillac taking a dive on the marquee of their restaurants is a rip off of Cadillac Ranch). http://arts.ucsc.edu/faculty/Lord/AntFarm.html http://www.libertysoftware.be/cml/cadillacranch/crmain.htm A San Francisco-based collective of artists and architects working from 1968 to 1978, Ant Farm's activity was distinctly interdisciplinary, combining architecture, performance, media, happenings, sculpture, and graphic design. With works that functioned as art, social critique, and pop-anthropology, Ant Farm tore into the cultural fabric of post-World War II, Vietnam-era America and became one of the first groups to address television's pervasive presence in everyday life. As Chip Lord, who co-founded the group with Doug Michels, states, "Video became Ant Farm's equivalent to the architectural model, to record the group's live-in design process (The Warehouse Tapes, 1971); to explore the multi-barreled impact of electronics on auto-America (Cadillac Ranch, 1974 and Media Burn, 1975); and to exploit the structure of pure electronic culture (Eternal Frame, 1975 and Off-Air Australia, 1976)." As graphic artists, Ant Farm contributed to numerous underground publications, including Radical Software, and designed Michael Shamberg's Guerrilla Television (Hold, Rinehart, Winston, 1971). Ant Farm members included Chip Lord, Doug Michels, Hudson Marquez, and Curtis Schreier. Cadillac Ranch/Media Burn: We buried ten Cadillacs in a row alongside Interstate 40 (the old Route 66) just west of Amarillo, Texas. Each car represented a model change in the evolution of the tailfin. This was clearly a sculptural act, but with a minimal amount of formal manipulation Media Burn, created a year later in San Francisco, was a live performance. It was a spectacle staged for the camera culminating in the 4000 pound "Phantom Dream Car" crashing through a pyramid of TV sets to the cheers of the audience of 400. This image and the videotape have become classics of the first decade of video art. -Chip Lord, 1988 -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 23:29:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03455; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 23:27:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 23:27:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 23:23:59 EST Subject: Re: Repeater memory To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 2/5/01 8:06:59 PM Mountain Standard Time, Damon@Electrixpro.com writes: << the 16 MB card that will ship with Repeater will give you 190 seconds of "track" record time. so you could have a: 190 second mono loop 95 second stereo loop 63.3 second 3 track loop 47.5 second 4 track loop. >> So a 128 MB card will yield 8 times these dimensions? Really? b helm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 5 23:55:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03906; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 23:53:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 23:53:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010205205018.00af5eb8@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 20:51:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater memory In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopbozo@aol.com (08:23 PM 02.05.2001) wrote: >In a message dated 2/5/01 8:06:59 PM Mountain Standard Time, >Damon@Electrixpro.com writes: > ><< the 16 MB card that will ship with > Repeater will give you 190 seconds of "track" record time. so you could > have > a: > 190 second mono loop > 95 second stereo loop > 63.3 second 3 track loop > 47.5 second 4 track loop. >> > >So a 128 MB card will yield 8 times these dimensions? Really? Yeup. A total of 1520 seconds of track time - 22 1/2 minutes. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 00:34:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05030; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 00:32:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 00:32:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater memory Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 21:32:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >What do I have to do to define that I record to CFC (possible on stage)? CFC memory space is noted with a "C" in front of the loop number. If there is a CFC inserted on power up, the default location will be "C 1" (which means location 1 on the CFC card). You can now record directly to that location on the card. Internal locations are noted with a " ' ". So if I just bought my Repeater, and have not recorded anything into it, loop browsing would go like this: ' 1 ____ (internal memory - loop location 1- blank) C 1 ____ (CFC memory - loop location 1 - blank) I could then choose between these two possible locations via the encoder or MIDI. >Is there anything I cannot do if I record to the CFC card? Repeater records and reads in real time straight to and from the CFC card. However, different CFC card manufacturers have different write speeds so there might be some limitations with certain cards. Things like time stretch or pitch shift ranges could be bigger when a loop is in internal memory then when on CFC. That said, some of the newer cards coming out look like they will have little or no difference in speed with the internal memory. When all is said and done we will provide more information on which cards are the best. >Or: what do we need the internal memory for? If you want to copy from one card to another, if you lose or break your card, see above. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 01:19:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06223; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 01:16:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 01:16:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 01:14:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: RE: Repeater memory Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3gW9J.A._gB.ha5f6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damon Langlois wrote, inspiringly: >Repeater records and reads in real time straight to and from the CFC card. >However, different CFC card manufacturers have different write speeds so >there might be some limitations with certain cards. Things like time stretch >or pitch shift ranges could be bigger when a loop is in internal memory then >when on CFC. That said, some of the newer cards coming out look like they >will have little or no difference in speed with the internal memory. When >all is said and done we will provide more information on which cards are the >best. Now, this IS interesting. To do this the software must -- detect the speed of the memory card -- restrict the maximum stretch/shift ranges depending on how much memory == audio == loops == tracks the card can deliver at once. example: Suppose some memory card can deliver the equivalent of 6 channels of audio at once. Then you could have four loops at normal speed (memory delivers 4 channels) but not four loops at double speed (memory delivers 8 channels). Does this make sense? Of course, these ultra-low speed loops we are talking about before will use up almost no memory bandwidth. This unit appears to have all sorts of charms. MUSING: Moore's law has memory getting 10 times larger every 5 years. Full audio is 10 MB a minute. Now: about $10 a minute for compact flash and $0.10 a minute for CD-R/W; 10 years pass: about ~$0.10/min for memory, ~$0.001/min for disk or ~$6/hr for memory and ~$0.06/hr for disk RESULT: If you had 100 CDs that were one hour long and you wanted to bring them all in full form, you'd bring one six dollar disk, the end. and that six bucks in memory will give you an hour of loops! Imagine what a Repeater 5 might be like! /t ...electronic a cappella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 06:30:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA11825; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 06:27:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 06:27:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7D4D951568BED111B4C900805FF5E50D08089453@w12tcxu03.tv.bbc.co.uk> From: Simeon Harris To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: repeater question Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 11:26:51 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Resent-Message-ID: <6jm8CD.A.f4C.D-9f6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Concerning recording ambient textures - I'd like to know whether you can drop immediately into overdub when creating a new loop and setting the loop boundary, so that any delay or reverb tails will be captured at the beginning of the loop as it cycles round again. The Jamman won't allow you to do this - you have to hit tap to set the loop length (which puts you into play mode) and then hit tap again to go into overdub mode - thereby chopping off any sustaining sounds that may have been playing at the time. The only way round this on the Jamman is to set up an empty loop first and then overdub continuously into it - which is a bit of a pain for live use. I've read the online manual, but I can't seem to find any mention of this. Any info gratefully received. Sim This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 08:23:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13994; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 08:22:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 08:22:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010206132023.3903.qmail@web1101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 05:20:23 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Martin Subject: Re: repeater question To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Concerning recording ambient textures - I'd like to >know whether you can >drop immediately into overdub when creating a new >loop and setting the loop >boundary, so that any delay or reverb tails will be >captured at the >beginning of the loop as it cycles round again. I believe that the software upgrade for the Boomerang will do this. Any 2nd-gen 'Rang users have a comment? Scott __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 09:21:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15308; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:20:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:20:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:18:59 EST Subject: Re: repeater question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com simeon.harris@bbc.co.uk said: >The Jamman won't allow you >to do this - you have to hit tap to set the loop length (which puts you >into >play mode) and then hit tap again to go into overdub mode - thereby chopping >off any sustaining sounds that may have been playing at the time. should be possible on repeater, methinks, but: 'tis definitely do-able w/EDP. best, dt / SPLaTTeRhead 2 almost new CD's(@artist-shop,amazon,tower,cdnow,bn,virgin,tower,etc) 1) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) 2) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD & limited edition vinyl; 65 minute EP--- w/remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) On CeLLDiviSioN / 75 Ark: http://www.75ark.com "Destined for cult status, this should be the guitar record of choice for electronica admirers--- or the fave electronica album for guitar fans." BillBoard Magazine (usa) "..... a chillingly wonderful instrumental CD. Brilliant stuff." Keyboard Magazine (usa) "It's the kind of experience that had me shaking my head & saying, 'Holy shit, what was that?!'. Other flash guitarists can give you occasional transcendent licks, but on this (SPLaTTeRCeLL) CD, Torn gives you a 67-minute cosmic package". Alternative Press (usa) "Damn, this is one gorgeous mind-wrangle of a record!" Splendid SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn [Unable to display image] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 09:48:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15957; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:46:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:46:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: jj179@juno.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 08:37:02 -0600 Subject: Re: simultaneous, multiple-length loops Message-ID: <20010206.084307.-204659.6.jj179@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-20,24-34,37 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <9IaOpB.A.w4D.22Ag6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:38:54 -0800 rich writes: > >be able to A) record separate loops, *each of a different length*, > and B) > >then be able to *play them back simultaneously* and adjust the mix, > etc. > > Let's say loop 1 is shorter than loop 2. When you record them and > play them back simultaneously, are you expecting loop 1 to be silent > > when it runs out, and doesn't begin playing until loop 2 is > finished, > then they both start together? If so, then the Repeater will do > this... > > Or do you want loop 1 to keep looping, while loop 2 takes longer and > > then begins looping, so that they will eventually go completely out > of phase from their original sync? the latter is definitely what I'm after. sort of a rough equivalent of the early brian eno multiple tape loop experiments, only all within one machine, which to me would be enormously convenient (of course). I'd also want to be able to fade the various loops in and out at will. > If that's the case, then maybe > the DJRND3? what's the DJRND3? can anyone verify if it can do the above? > ...maybe two EDP's w/ brothersync? now I'm dreaming. I can't even find *one* EDP ... much less afford it! :( I looked on ebay the other day, just for the hell of it, and saw that jammen were selling for $600 - $1000 ... I can't believe it. I only paid $250 for mine, then another $50 to upgrade to 32sec ... wow ... ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 09:48:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15946; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:46:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:46:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: jj179@juno.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 08:42:24 -0600 Subject: Re: simultaneous, multiple-length loops Message-ID: <20010206.084307.-204659.7.jj179@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-9,14-18 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <_rL5tC.A.Y4D.u2Ag6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 05 Feb 2001 15:19:50 -0800 "Mike Biffle" writes: > > From my cursory reading it appears that machines exist which can do > either A or B but not both. Any suggestions? > > That's correct... so far we're stuck with having to have separate > loopers to handle simultaneous DIFFERENT length loops. Which CAN be > a very good thing... Sync and MIDI capability drives the price up > quickly. is making a machine that can simultaneously play multiple-length loops just too difficult? is it simply not a feature that many loopers demand? could that very nice fellow from ElectrixPro add his 2 cents perhaps on the mechanics of 1) how this might be done from a manufacturing standpoint, and/or 2) why it's just too difficult to do? thx, jj ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 10:45:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17406; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 10:44:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 10:44:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A80970B.A4051AAC@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 16:30:03 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: simultaneous, multiple-length loops References: <20010206.084307.-204659.7.jj179@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0dn8AD.A.sPE.OtBg6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jj179@juno.com wrote: > > On Mon, 05 Feb 2001 15:19:50 -0800 "Mike Biffle" > writes: > > > From my cursory reading it appears that machines exist which can do > > either A or B but not both. Any suggestions? > > > > That's correct... so far we're stuck with having to have separate > > loopers to handle simultaneous DIFFERENT length loops. Which CAN be > > a very good thing... Sync and MIDI capability drives the price up > > quickly. > > is making a machine that can simultaneously play multiple-length > loops just too difficult? is it simply not a feature that many loopers > demand? could that very nice fellow from ElectrixPro add his 2 cents > perhaps on the mechanics of 1) how this might be done from a > manufacturing standpoint, and/or 2) why it's just too difficult to do? > the technology exists you can sync multiples echoplexis at sample level sync and still keep control of each of the machine in dividually I wonder what the bigest nb of paralell echoplexis has bee done ?? I'm still dreaming that I could have a third one not for the paralell tracks but for the independence of access now if only GIBSON would take their head out of the sand and give some developement investment around Mathias, Kim and the Aurisis team to finnaly give us the EDP 2 with the multiple plexis concept kept over 8 mono tracks the EDP is already capable of all that (brother sync;midi brothering etc...) even with just a quadra plex with the soft as it is :put 4 in 1 box it would be the unquestionable looping RR (Rolls Roice) Saluuuu Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 11:47:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19390; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 11:45:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 11:45:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010206083715.01dfe438@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 08:39:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: repeater question In-Reply-To: <7D4D951568BED111B4C900805FF5E50D08089453@w12tcxu03.tv.bbc. co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Simeon Harris (03:26 AM 02.06.2001) wrote: >Concerning recording ambient textures - I'd like to know whether you can >drop immediately into overdub when creating a new loop and setting the loop >boundary, so that any delay or reverb tails will be captured at the >beginning of the loop as it cycles round again. If you're heading for overdub mode, then that means that the loop length has already been set (you must be overdubbing over something). So, for Repeater, the answer is "yes, you can drop into overdub mode with just a single button press". Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 12:25:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20508; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 12:23:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 12:23:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 12:22:03 EST Subject: rang info To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_dd.fd7b0cd.27b18cbb_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_dd.fd7b0cd.27b18cbb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/6/01 8:21:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, coirbidh_99@yahoo.com writes: > I believe that the software upgrade for the Boomerang > will do this. Any 2nd-gen 'Rang users have a comment? > this is correct, you go straight from placing the original loop right to overdub without missing a beat.....also very nice in the up-grade is the ability to have an A/B setup, 2 loops that you can mangle anyway you want and swicth between very easily, good stuff!.....i love my rang, my rang loves me.....michael --part1_dd.fd7b0cd.27b18cbb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/6/01 8:21:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,
coirbidh_99@yahoo.com writes:


I believe that the software upgrade for the Boomerang
will do this.  Any 2nd-gen 'Rang users have a comment?


this is correct, you go straight from placing the original loop right to
overdub without missing a beat.....also very nice in the up-grade is the
ability to have an A/B setup, 2 loops that you can mangle anyway you want and
swicth between very easily, good stuff!.....i love my rang, my rang loves
me.....michael --part1_dd.fd7b0cd.27b18cbb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 12:37:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20927; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 12:36:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 12:36:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:37:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: repeater question/Record-Overdub? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I asked Electrix about this early on and was told yes, Repeater will allow this. Ending recording by entering overdub is a feature I almost always use on the EDP to get a clean loop. Best- Mark >Concerning recording ambient textures - I'd like to know whether you can >drop immediately into overdub when creating a new loop and setting the loop >boundary, so that any delay or reverb tails will be captured at the >beginning of the loop as it cycles round again. The Jamman won't allow you >to do this - you have to hit tap to set the loop length (which puts you into >play mode) and then hit tap again to go into overdub mode - thereby chopping >off any sustaining sounds that may have been playing at the time. The only >way round this on the Jamman is to set up an empty loop first and then >overdub continuously into it - which is a bit of a pain for live use. I've >read the online manual, but I can't seem to find any mention of this. Any >info gratefully received. > >Sim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 12:43:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21155; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 12:42:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 12:42:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A80370A.8D97A894@fullcompass.com> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 11:40:26 -0600 From: "Jim Schaefer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rang info References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is this upgrade available? Where can it be purchased? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 12:56:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21538; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 12:54:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 12:54:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 12:57:29 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Burnett To: Subject: Re: rang info In-Reply-To: <3A80370A.8D97A894@fullcompass.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Jim Schaefer wrote: > Is this upgrade available? Where can it be purchased? >From Mike Nelson directly. http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/boomerang/rang2features.html has cost and details. best, Steve -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 13:13:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22476; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:11:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:11:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 10:04:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: simultaneous, multiple-length loops Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is a solution, (which "that very nice fellow from ElectrixPro" probably will heartily endorse) buy two Repeaters. Then you can have two different length, 4 track apiece machines that you can independently change lengths on, while maintaining sync to midi clock... Considering the relatively reasonable list price on Repeater vs. it's features, this isn't really such a bad idea... Best- Mark > > is making a machine that can simultaneously play multiple-length >loops just too difficult? is it simply not a feature that many loopers >demand? could that very nice fellow from ElectrixPro add his 2 cents >perhaps on the mechanics of 1) how this might be done from a >manufacturing standpoint, and/or 2) why it's just too difficult to do? > >thx, >jj > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 13:17:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22645; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:13:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:13:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 10:03:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: Repeater memory Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >If you think you will >be making a 23 second or higher loop, that will require 4 full tracks, then >just record directly to the CFC card. Great, Damon...but are there going to be any performance compromises by recording directly to CFC? (load time/switching loops/resampling/etc) Could someone buy a, say, 64mb card and just work off of that card all the time? Can you have the card in when you power up and power down? is there a button configuration you have to set to get it to write to CFC each time you power up, or can that be set permanently? (I'm thinking JamMan's inability to store the midi channel here...ya got to do it each time you power up) I think it will be absolutely bitchen if working off the card was seamless to working off of internal memory. I would just leave the damn card in all the time and just have some spares with me. am i thinking correctly here? best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 13:24:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22928; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:21:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:21:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater memory Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 10:19:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's exactly it! Your thinking is correct. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com >I think it will be absolutely bitchen if working off the card was >seamless to working off of internal memory. I would just leave the >damn card in all the time and just have some spares with me. am i >thinking correctly here? >best, >rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 13:25:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22971; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:22:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:22:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 10:13:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: Repeater memory Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Imagine what a Repeater 5 might be like! > > /t yeah, sure...but take a look at sony's scary tv ad campaign of "Playstation 9"...a futuristic look at a completely holodeck-like gaming experience, with the gamer totally immersed....coupled with their current print media campaign which has the uplifting tagline of "you can turn it on, but you can't turn it off"... a bit matrixian...if i can use that word. are the musicians going to be musically 'wired' in someday? mr. goodman? i'm grabbing my acoustic guitar and heading out the door! :) best regards, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 13:30:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23190; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:27:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:27:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010206132543.009ec6f0@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: robert@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 13:28:31 -0500 To: loopers delight From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: DAT damage (off-topic) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com pardon my bandwidth, but perhaps some of you have information technical that could help me. i have a number of DAT tapes that were in a building that experienced, as they say on the subway, a "smoke condition". the bldg caught fire, and tho there was no flame action in our space there was plenty of smoke damage. these DAT tapes were all in their plastic boxes, the boxes look pretty clean overall... but are the tapes to be considered a total write-off? replies off-list if you think it's too... not loop. best a:c *************************** - just what the world needs... another frikkin url - From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 13:39:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23507; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:38:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:38:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010f01c0906b$dd7e0d60$7e2cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <20010206.084307.-204659.7.jj179@juno.com> Subject: Re: simultaneous, multiple-length loops Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 18:36:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > is making a machine that can simultaneously play multiple-length > loops just too difficult? is it simply not a feature that many loopers > demand? could that very nice fellow from ElectrixPro add his 2 cents > perhaps on the mechanics of 1) how this might be done from a > manufacturing standpoint, and/or 2) why it's just too difficult to do? Why not just use two machines unsync'd? I've got a JamMan, DL4 and MPX-G2 and have all three going at once out of sync - it's great for getting shifting textures... Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com "Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight, You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight" - Bruce Cockburn March 2nd - David Friesen live in London, supported by me. gig at 8pm, jazz workshop at 2pm - see www.solobassnetwork.org.uk for more info. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 14:19:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25404; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 14:17:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 14:17:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.172] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Fwd: RE: Repeater Question (as if you don't get enough of those) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 12:11:35 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2001 19:11:35.0561 (UTC) FILETIME=[9FA6A790:01C09070] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey gang, I'm sure that I'm the last cat on this list to have thought about this, but just in case I'm not I figured that I would forward this question I asked Damon and his response to the list. Now I'm even more intrigued... -skully >>(skully asked:) >> >>Hi Damon, >>I had a quick question I was wondering if you could answer. >>With the Repeater's feature to be able to slow/speed up your loop >>without altering the pitch I was wondering if the opposite ability >>was also true. Can you play your loop back at a different pitch without >>altering the tempo and if you can, would it be possible to trigger that >>pitch change with a MIDI note change message from a keyboard so you can >>then play your loop like a conventional sampler? >> >>-Skully >>_________________________________________________________________ > >(Damon responded:) > >You got it! > > >Respect, > >Damon Langlois >Creative Director >Electrix >Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 >http://www.electrixpro.com > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 14:58:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26316; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 14:56:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 14:56:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 20:19:11 +0000 Subject: Re: Solo Bass Loop Fest From: Victor Nicholls To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200102060234.VAA32556@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA26273 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" wrote: > As it turns out, my good friend (and patron to the arts) Bob Cain > recorded the entire festival Išd love to hear this stuff. Get it uploaded now! Or even make a CD of it? victor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 15:46:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27988; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:44:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:44:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 14:43:50 -0600 (CST) From: spaceloop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: simultaneous, multiple-length loops In-Reply-To: <20010206.084307.-204659.7.jj179@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 6 Feb 2001 jj179@juno.com wrote: > > That's correct... so far we're stuck with having to have separate > > loopers to handle simultaneous DIFFERENT length loops. Which CAN be > > a very good thing... Sync and MIDI capability drives the price up > > quickly. > > is making a machine that can simultaneously play multiple-length > loops just too difficult? is it simply not a feature that many loopers > demand? could that very nice fellow from ElectrixPro add his 2 cents > perhaps on the mechanics of 1) how this might be done from a > manufacturing standpoint, and/or 2) why it's just too difficult to do? > I'm not too technically inclined about how loopers work, but doing this would require several "clocks" and possibly several processors. Which would drive the price out of practicality. I think $599 is a *very* good price for the Repeater can do. -- travis salisbury http://www.illuminetdesign.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 16:40:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00705; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:39:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:39:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: RE: Repeater Question (as if you don't get enough of those) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:34:44 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was thinking of this very same thing and wondered if the pitch would be triggered by a single note or what would happen if you played a chord? I wonder what would happen if you had a guitar to midi controller and used it to send the note to change the pitch of the loop? Hmmm? Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Underwood [mailto:skullyshakespeare@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 1:12 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Fwd: RE: Repeater Question (as if you don't get enough of > those) > > > Hey gang, > > I'm sure that I'm the last cat on this list to have thought > about this, but > just in case I'm not I figured that I would forward this > question I asked > Damon and his response to the list. Now I'm even more intrigued... > > -skully > > > >>(skully asked:) > >> > >>Hi Damon, > >>I had a quick question I was wondering if you could answer. > >>With the Repeater's feature to be able to slow/speed up your loop > >>without altering the pitch I was wondering if the opposite ability > >>was also true. Can you play your loop back at a different > pitch without > >>altering the tempo and if you can, would it be possible to > trigger that > >>pitch change with a MIDI note change message from a > keyboard so you can > >>then play your loop like a conventional sampler? > >> > >>-Skully > >>_________________________________________________________________ > > > >(Damon responded:) > > > >You got it! > > > > > >Respect, > > > >Damon Langlois > >Creative Director > >Electrix > >Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > >http://www.electrixpro.com > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 19:02:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04554; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 18:51:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 18:51:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010206154757.01dcc080@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 15:49:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: RE: RE: Repeater Question (as if you don't get enough of those) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <63qdWB.A.3GB.Z2Ig6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com M. Steven Ginn (01:34 PM 02/06/01) wrote: >I was thinking of this very same thing and wondered if the pitch would >be triggered by a single note or what would happen if you played a >chord? I wonder what would happen if you had a guitar to midi >controller and used it to send the note to change the pitch of the loop? I don't know about the chord side of the question, but I know that pitch changes defined by MIDI NOTE number has always been a key design point of Repeater. And it works like that now. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 21:06:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07746; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 20:55:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 20:55:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A80AB60.31E014E5@club-internet.fr> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 02:56:48 +0100 From: Emmanuel PERILLE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: simultaneous, multiple-length loops (DJRND3) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D90020F0223EE5F7B791948D" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------D90020F0223EE5F7B791948D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> > Or do you want loop 1 to keep looping, while loop 2 takes longer and >> > >> > then begins looping, so that they will eventually go completely out >> > of phase from their original sync? >> >> If that's the case, then maybe > the DJRND3? what's the DJRND3? can anyone verify if it can do the above? >> DJRND3 is a simultaneous, multiple-lenght stereo DJ looper : - 64Mbyte SDRAM split into 21 stereo loops organized on 3 rows as follows : - 8- 4- 4- 2- 2- 2- 2 bars -128-32-16-16-16-16-16 bars -128-32-16-16-16-16-16 bars = total 504 bars ( 4min 12sec @ 120 BPM ) (128 bars = 64 sec @ 120 BPM ) - Fs : 32 to 48 khz (40khz after erase-all-loops) - BPM is preset by tap tempo, high accuracy real-time "trim" tempo, or MIDI clk output - SCSI hard drive to back up SDRAM loops into 1023 auto-beat synced cyclic HD loops. Price = 12500 FRF (US$1785) Available very soon, should be ready for Frankfurt Messe show in Germany next month Emmanuel PERILLE DJRND3 http://perso.club-internet.fr/perille --------------D90020F0223EE5F7B791948D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
> Or do you want loop 1 to keep looping, while loop 2 takes longer and 
> 
> then begins looping, so that they will eventually go completely out 
> of phase from their original sync?
 If that's the case, then maybe  > the DJRND3? what's the DJRND3? can anyone verify if it can do the above?


DJRND3 is a simultaneous, multiple-lenght stereo DJ looper :

- 64Mbyte SDRAM split into 21 stereo loops organized on 3 rows as follows :

-    8-  4-  4-  2-  2-  2-  2 bars
-128-32-16-16-16-16-16 bars
-128-32-16-16-16-16-16 bars = total 504 bars ( 4min 12sec @ 120 BPM )

(128 bars = 64 sec @ 120 BPM )

- Fs : 32 to 48 khz (40khz after erase-all-loops)

- BPM is preset by tap tempo, high accuracy real-time "trim" tempo, or MIDI clk output

- SCSI hard drive to back up SDRAM loops into 1023 auto-beat synced cyclic HD loops.

Price = 12500 FRF (US$1785)

Available very soon, should be ready for Frankfurt Messe show in Germany next month

Emmanuel PERILLE
DJRND3
http://perso.club-internet.fr/perille
 
 
 
 
  --------------D90020F0223EE5F7B791948D-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 21:34:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08877; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 21:32:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 21:32:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.82.17.12] From: "Alex C" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: A Beginner's Question Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 21:30:51 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2001 02:30:51.0760 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD2B7700:01C090AD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I'm new to looping devices and phrase samplers. I've seen someone use a device before that allows you to layer tracks independently, i.e. each track is recorded separately so that you can take off tracks one by one. I personally have used the "Boomerang", but this machine combines all tracks into one big track, so you have to take them off all at once. You cannot control which track to take out. Does anyone know of a device that can record each track separately? And if so, is it significantly more expensive than a "Boomerang"? Thanks, Alex _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 23:23:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11836; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:11:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:11:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:03:19 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Speaking of bass looping... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...if you happen to be passing through the Baltimore area on Saturday April 14th, I've set up a gig for Percy Jones (Bass Beast for Brand X/ Tunnels/etc) who'll be doing a solo looped bass set as well as playing with fellow Bassosaurus Manthing Michael Manring who'll be playing in guitarist Scott McGill's Hand Farm trio with drummer Vic Stevens (Bon/Gongzilla/etc). See http://www.progrock.net/shows/showcase/ for poopage. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 6 23:27:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12192; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:24:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:24:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: field recordings mp3 page Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 20:23:02 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2001 04:23:02.0592 (UTC) FILETIME=[A90EEC00:01C090BD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's up, and accepting submissions (by mail or online). www.mp3.com/field_recordings _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 00:09:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13369; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 00:06:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 00:06:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Keefopoetry@aol.com Message-ID: <29.102810f6.27b23177@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 00:04:55 EST Subject: Re: DJ's=Musicians To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_29.102810f6.27b23177_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 352 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_29.102810f6.27b23177_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yes. i'd call, too. peace. --part1_29.102810f6.27b23177_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yes. i'd call, too. peace. --part1_29.102810f6.27b23177_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 00:47:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13889; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 00:43:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 00:43:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010207054231.69859.qmail@web10010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 21:42:31 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: RE: Repeater memory To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >-- rich wrote: > a bit matrixian...if i can use that word. are the > musicians going to > be musically 'wired' in someday? I'm not sure if I'm ready for a Strato-catheter! Jeez, not to mention a JamMan! The Big Muff could be interesting though........... John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 01:01:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14215; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 00:58:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 00:58:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.163.200.30] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: field recordings mp3 page Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 00:56:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2001 05:56:44.0757 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0213850:01C090CA] Resent-Message-ID: <6wq3c.A.3dD.4OOg6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bravo Matt!!!! Ilove this! I can only hope that I can use your piece to inspire me to do some of the same. Just a matter of motivation ;) Pete. >From: "matt davignon" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: field recordings mp3 page >Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 20:23:02 -0800 > >It's up, and accepting submissions (by mail or online). > >www.mp3.com/field_recordings > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 01:11:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14826; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 01:07:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 01:07:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A80E688.81F525EA@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 22:09:18 -0800 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: sine@zerocrossing.net Organization: ZeroCrossing Multimedia Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: A call to arms! (SF/East BAy area) References: <29.102810f6.27b23177@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey SF area loopers, many moons ago, I used to play with what some might call a "non traditional" musician. He mainly did samples, some vocals, cb radio, casio keyboards (his claim to fame was he never spent more than $10 on a piece of gear [but he actually did]) Alas, what he lacked in musical training, he more than made up for in creativity. My part of the duo, was to man guitars, bass and sequencers... all looped, of course. We called ourselves "Sleeping." You're probably saying, "So Mark, what the hell are you getting at?" Well, my friend (Jason Mombert, if you happen to run into him somewhere, I think he's in Canada now) is far away. Far far. I went through some very crazy times, moving out to San Francisco, but now things are stable, and I'm playing very regularly in my home studio. but something's missing. It's just not as fun by yourself! (of course) I've tricked myself a little by programming sequences on a Roland MC-307, and then muting parts at random, not knowing what's on what track, or when it will happen, but there's still no replacement for a live human that's listening to what you're doing, and visa virsa. Get the pict? So what am I looking for? Well, I'm pretty gear laden, so traveling is hard for me. Someone willing to travel to Alameda, at least once a week. Maybe it can be a Sunday thing, and we can trade off doing the traveling, every other week. What do you play? I could care less, creativity is much more important to me. A good sense of "music" is a must. I listen to a lot of everything, right now I'm in love with the Projeckt X album, but I like a very wide range of music. My place isn't that big, so if you're an acoustic drummer, it may be a problem, I do have a Roland Octapad and I do share my many toys. Most of all, I'm open for suggestions. One of my favorite stunts used to be crashing local open mic nights with my crazy guitar looping stuff. Fun! If you're a DJ, please be the kind that really makes collages out of many sources. Anyway, hopefully you get the picture. Oh and btw, must have CHOPS and the right hairstyle! ROK ON! ;^) Marklar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 02:28:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16183; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:24:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:24:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e201c090d6$4317acc0$0d89e3a5@poo> From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" To: References: <200102061817.NAA22798@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Acoustic/Koto with Paper Clips and other tips for PREPARING LOOPABLE INSTRUMENTS Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:19:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John Mark Painter wrote: "Acoustic/Koto with Paper Clips on the strings trick (I have since ripped that one off....sorry)." Rick Walker replies: Can you describe this one in a more detailed manner, please? I've use aligator clips, knives and forks and even those Chinese Chrome Balls with the little chimes in them (used for hand exercises) which sound incredible if you put the guitar or bass on a very slight incline and let the very heavy balls roll up slowly towards the pickups. I love prepared instruments. I remember pissing off my mom when I was a kid by pressing thumb tacks into the felts of our upright parlor piano to get that prepared honkey tonk sound. I must of been all of 8 years old when I did that. Little did I know that someday I would be paid well to do such nonsense ;-) Maybe we could start a little thread on creative ideas for preparing instruments. I've prepared my drums and cymbals for years with chains and rivets, magazines, t-shirts,and other things. My favorite trick lately (all you looping drummers out there ;-) is to take one of these very thin, textured dayglo translucent cutting boards that you can buy at fancy cooking botiques for about $5-8 and cutting them out so that they fit onto a snare drum. This takes the pitch of the snare drum way, way down (a la the magazine used on the snare drum on Get Back by the Beatles) but the texture allows you to play the cutting board with brushes. this allows for a tuning damping technique that is never associated with brush playing. It sounds like brushes that have been sampled and pitched a fifth down on a sampler. Speaking of that devil, I took a pair of really crappy old 60's japanese crash cymbals and put them together as high hats, adding them to a deep Ludwig Coliseum snare drum tuned as low as possible with the snares as rattly as possible and a huge 28" double headed kick drum tuned very low to get that 'I sampled this drumset and pitched it down an octave' sound live. I have this little three piece right next two a set of custom built fiberglass snare drums (6", 8" and 10") that I converted form old figerglass PEARL concert toms that are pitched very high with a 12" inch roto tom, pitched as low as possible with black naughahyde completely covering both sides of the drum and tight miced with an AKG D112 and a set of 10" Zildjian recording hi hats. This little kit is my ersatz 'jungle/drum & bass' kit that sounds like it has been sampled at 120 bpm and raised up to 160 bpm. With this bizarre kit I can play half tempo on the deep kit with trip hop grooves and double speed 'jungle' rhythms on the little kit, all in the same song. The snare drums are so tight (augmented on their snare sides with wires from a jazz drum brush taped on to the bottom head for a cool 'snare' sound) that I can do drag rolls (across the three pitched snares) that sound just like rhythms that have been chopped up in ReCycle and sequenced as 64note triplets for the machine gun effect that is used in jungle. The different pitched snares sound like individual keys being played on a sampler. I love the thought of preparing acoustic instruments so that they sound like electronic manipulations or analogue drum machines. The upside is that you get far more expression out of the instrument in real time playing. Then you can loop it all and play prepared Acoustic/Koto paperclip guitar!!!!! Again, maybe we could start a little thread on creative ideas for preparing instruments. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 02:45:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16461; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:40:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:40:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RGBLA@aol.com Message-ID: <22.11985f01.27b2557d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:38:37 EST Subject: EDP for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have an EDP's for sale. Unused, Loaded with RAM, with footpedals. Los Angeles Area $800 obo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 03:02:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16838; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:58:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:58:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:56:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Repeater memory Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:13 AM -0800 2/6/01, rich wrote: >> >>Imagine what a Repeater 5 might be like! >> >> /t > >yeah, sure...but take a look at sony's scary tv ad campaign of >"Playstation 9"...a futuristic look at a completely holodeck-like >gaming experience, with the gamer totally immersed....coupled with >their current print media campaign which has the uplifting tagline of >"you can turn it on, but you can't turn it off"... > >a bit matrixian...if i can use that word. are the musicians going to >be musically 'wired' in someday? I thought the funniest thing about that ad was that the date for the imaginary playstation 9 release was something like 2079. If you think about it, that means it will take Sony 78 years to do the next 7 versions of playstation. That's a bit more than 11 years development time for each version! And you guys think looper developers are slow. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 03:16:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17453; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 03:13:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 03:13:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 00:11:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: A Beginner's Question Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:30 PM -0800 2/6/01, Alex C wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm new to looping devices and phrase samplers. I've seen someone use a >device before that allows you to layer tracks independently, i.e. each track >is recorded separately so that you can take off tracks one by one. I >personally have used the "Boomerang", but this machine combines all tracks >into one big track, so you have to take them off all at once. You cannot >control which track to take out. Does anyone know of a device that can >record each track separately? And if so, is it significantly more expensive >than a "Boomerang"? > It sounds to me like you actually might have seen somebody using the oberheim/gibson echoplex with the undo feature. The echoplex can undo multiple layers of overdubs one by one, all the way back to the original version. This can give an impression of multiple tracks of loops, when really there is one. Many people use the Undo function as a performance technique, where they build up a dense loop of many overdubs, than remove layers with undo to simplify it again, and then overdub again to build something different. The echoplex is the only looper that has multiple layers of undo. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 03:52:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17803; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 03:47:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 03:47:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <010f01c0906b$dd7e0d60$7e2cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> References: <20010206.084307.-204659.7.jj179@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 00:45:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: simultaneous, multiple-length loops Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:36 AM -0800 2/6/01, Steve Lawson wrote: >> is making a machine that can simultaneously play multiple-length >> loops just too difficult? is it simply not a feature that many loopers >> demand? could that very nice fellow from ElectrixPro add his 2 cents >> perhaps on the mechanics of 1) how this might be done from a >> manufacturing standpoint, and/or 2) why it's just too difficult to do? > >Why not just use two machines unsync'd? I've got a JamMan, DL4 and MPX-G2 >and have all three going at once out of sync - it's >great for getting shifting textures... > this is one way, but then you are limited in that you can *only* have them completely unsync'd. You won't be able to set them up such that you have different lengths but with a defined relationship between them. An obvious application is a one bar loop and a four bar loop in sync together. Polyrhythms are another application. You don't want them to drift out of phase with each other, you want it in rhythm... I've always enjoyed things like taking a 2 bar drum loop (32 sixteenths) and running it in sync with another drum loop of different length. (31 sixteenths, 15 eighths, etc.) You get a strong sense of rhythm and a beat from the loops, but it is constantly shifting. The pattern keeps changing and remains interesting while still sounding like a drum loop. By changing the mix between the two you shift the beat around in interesting ways. This only works if you have multiple loops of different length that are in sync. (not n'sync :-) We developed the BrotherSync function on the echoplex to do just this. Each echoplex can have loops of different length, while still being synchronized to each other. The synchronization is much tighter than midi clock, since we actually sync the sample clocks of the different units to run at exactly the same frequency. On top of that we sync the basic loop cycle times. The great thing about BrotherSync is you don't have to predetermine any of the relationships between the loops. You can set it all on the fly! So if you are recording a loop on unit #3 to be 5 times as long as the loop on unit #2, and half way through you decide you would really prefer it to be 9 times longer, well you can do that. Just let it go longer! Or, if you decide you don't want them sync'd at all, you want it to run free and unsync'd as you do with loopers you have above, you can easily do that as well, on the fly! Just force it to stop out of sync with a second press of record. It's so easy you hardly have to think about it, you just play. Record a loop on one unit. The other loopers automatically see it's loop length and are ready to sync to that. Record another loop on the second unit any multiple you like of the first unit's loop length. The echoplex takes care of syncing it up for you. Do it again on the next unit, etc. You have full and immediate control of each loop with all of the echoplex's functions, no need to tap dance around and select one of them before you insert a cycle to it while reversing another loop. Another great part about BrotherSync is that unlike midi, it is bidirectional. Any of the units can define the basic cycle length for the others. They are "Brothers", not master and slaves. This is wonderful for having multiple musicians loop together. Any one of them can set the basic loop length for the others to sync to. And when they feel it, a different guy can set the pulse for the others. Nothing has to be changed or unplugged or reconfigured, you just do it all on the fly, as you play! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 06:00:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA20866; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 05:58:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 05:58:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 05:57:30 EST Subject: Re: Acoustic/Koto with Paper Clips for PREPARING LOOPABLE INSTRUMENTS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes to jm painter: >Can you describe this one in a more detailed manner, please? >yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) rw, wrong guy; jmp was talking about one of my instruments: a cheap student-model folk-guitar (yard sale variety), re-strung w/fairly heavy 'steel' strings, w/a secondary koto-like bridge placed on the neck: played on the lap: further alterable w/pickups, of course: paper clips (stainless steel ones) on either or both sides of sec. bridge make a nice rattle, depending upon tuning/pitch/pickups etc..... enjoy. best, dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL btw: the first time i used this gtr onna recording was inna piece called 'snapping the hollow reed' from 'cloud about mercury', ECM 1987, for yer possible further reference. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 12:14:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29509; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:11:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:11:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: jj179@juno.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:52:57 -0800 Subject: Re: simultaneous, multiple-length loops Message-ID: <20010207.111002.-1840043.0.jj179@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-13,18-19,21-24 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > is making a machine that can simultaneously play > multiple-length > > loops just too difficult? is it simply not a feature that many > loopers > > demand? could that very nice fellow from ElectrixPro add his 2 > cents > > perhaps on the mechanics of 1) how this might be done from a > > manufacturing standpoint, and/or 2) why it's just too difficult to > do? > > Why not just use two machines unsync'd? I've got a JamMan, DL4 and > MPX-G2 and have all three going at once out of sync - it's > great for getting shifting textures... Well, I guess I've always dreamed of having that capability in one unit. Also, considering that most looping machines have either capability A (multiple loops of differing lengths) OR capability B (playing multiple loops at the same time), I can't see why these two features were never combined. That, and I can't afford to just go out and buy a couple of separate units. thanks for the bandwidth. jj ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 12:28:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29733; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:20:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:20:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Todd Quincy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT whigs no longer Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:19:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FYI I thought that those of you who mention Greg Dulli and the Whigs as a 9 disc finalist would like to know that the band officially broke up yesterday. As a friend of Greg's, perhaps I'm biased but I think now that it's over and not as accessible, perhaps the appropriate attention will be given to that band. tq From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 12:52:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30349; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:49:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:49:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 09:20:18 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Acoustic/Koto with Paper Clips and other tips for PREPARING LOOPABLE INSTRUMENTS In-reply-to: <00e201c090d6$4317acc0$0d89e3a5@poo> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <200102061817.NAA22798@hemlock.violacea.com> <00e201c090d6$4317acc0$0d89e3a5@poo> Resent-Message-ID: <3QpiQC.A.nZH.IpYg6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:19 PM -0800 2/6/01, Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) wrote: >I've used...those Chinese Chrome Balls with the little chimes in >them (used for hand exercises) which sound incredible if you put the >guitar or bass on a very slight incline and let the very heavy balls >roll up slowly towards the pickups. The Art Guys are an art duo in Houston. One of their video pieces is a one-take close-up of the bass strings inside a grand piano. The first sound one hears is a quiet but complex glissando which turns out to be made by a small ball bearing rolling a long the strings and ending Clunk! against the tuning pegs. The first ball bearing is followed by another, then by several at once. Then the sounds get louder and deeper, and the next swarm of ball bearings is larger, heavier, and more momentous than the first. After all these rolling balls build to a crescendo there is a grand pause, then comes a sound both louder and more ominous and Wham! a bowling ball heaves into sight and smashes into the piano frame. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 12:57:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30565; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:55:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:55:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Acoustic/Koto with Paper Clips and other tips for PREPARING LOOPABLE INSTRUMENTS Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 17:53:19 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2001 17:53:19.0840 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB323E00:01C0912E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick and others- I've tried a few things with my acoustic setup that you might like to try: A really neat effect I first heard out of Stanton Moore (drummer for galactic, and solo artist (who uses a boomerang live by the way)) who got it from someone who I can't remember. Get a piece of plastic flexible tubing and fit it airtight into a drum. Then play the drum while blowing/sucking into the tube. You can get a really cool realtime pitch shift by altering the pressure in the drum. This seems to work best on my floor tom. One of these days I'm going to try rigging up a footpedal/piston arrangement to control the pressure in the drum. I have also heard Stanton playing with toilet brushes, which is a really cool effect that I haven't tried yet. Also I was experimenting with placing splash cymbals on my drums and playing them. If the drum is tuned just right for the cymbal, you can get some really cool sympathetic vibrations with incredible sustain. I've had the best luck putting the cymbal upside down and holding the center of it on the drum with one hand. Of course by pushing it down harder, you can change the pitch of the drum to match the cymbal. Play either the drum or the cymbal. Try a cross-stick rimshot on your floor tom. Now move the stick closer or futher from the rim to change the pitch of the rimshot. This is a neat one! I've also had luck doing this on some of my snares. If you tighten the heck out of the snares you can get a cool effect by engaging the snare lever just as you hit the drum. Kind of a pitch bend at the end of the hit as the snares engage the bottom head and bring its pitch up. You can get a buzzing sound out of your drum by loosely dangling one stick perpendicular to the head right in the center of the drum. then hit the drum. This one takes some practice... Also try rubber bouncy balls scraped on the heads of your drums. I once saw Tuttie Heath play with mallets with bouncy balls on the ends and he did this really cool scraping/bouncing sound on the toms which had a very wierd effect. I've never been able to replicate his sounds, but I've come up with some good ones. I'd love to hear about other effects from other people! bye- Jon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 14:48:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01042; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 14:39:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 14:39:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016201c0913d$b004a1a0$1b86893e@music> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: Subject: Re: OT whigs no longer Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 19:39:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Quincy" > FYI > > I thought that those of you who mention Greg Dulli and the Whigs as a 9 disc > finalist would like to know that the band officially broke up yesterday. > > As a friend of Greg's, perhaps I'm biased but I think now that it's over and > not as accessible, perhaps the appropriate attention will be given to that > band. Just when I thought I'd had a bad(ish) day. It just got worse. That is horrid news. I'll miss the combination of Dulli's writing/vocals with John Curley's amazingly tasteful and downright groovin' bass playing. Guess I'm pulling out that copy of Gentlemen tonight... Thanks for the news - albeit, bad news. Simon ___________________________________________________ Ulcerate - dark alternative/industrial music to conspire and inspire http://mp3.com/ulcerate -streaming & downloadable audio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 14:50:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01301; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 14:48:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 14:48:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 11:41:13 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Donovan Drake X-Sender: trey@pilgrim To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Acoustic/Koto with Paper Clips and other tips for PREPARING LOOPABLE INSTRUMENTS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Get a piece of plastic flexible > tubing and fit it airtight into a drum. Then play the drum while > blowing/sucking into the tube. You can get a really cool realtime pitch > shift by altering the pressure in the drum. This seems to work best on my > floor tom. One of these days I'm going to try rigging up a footpedal/piston > arrangement to control the pressure in the drum. I have also heard Stanton > playing with toilet brushes, which is a really cool effect that I haven't > tried yet. Hmm, I just so happen to have moved a floor tom, a length of plastic pipe and a toilet brush, amongst other things from my storage locker yesterday. I guess I'm prepared to prepare! -trey From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 14:55:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01489; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 14:54:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 14:54:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 11:06:19 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Acoustic/Koto with Paper Clips and other tips for PREPARING LOOPABLE INSTRUMENTS In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:53 PM +0000 2/7/01, Jon Wagner wrote: >Get a piece of plastic flexible tubing and fit it airtight into a >drum. Then play the drum while blowing/sucking into the tube. You >can get a really cool realtime pitch shift by altering the pressure >in the drum. >Also I was experimenting with placing splash cymbals on my drums and >playing them. If the drum is tuned just right for the cymbal, you >can get some really cool sympathetic vibrations with incredible >sustain. >Also try rubber bouncy balls scraped on the heads of your drums. I >once saw Tuttie Heath play with mallets with bouncy balls on the >ends and he did this really cool scraping/bouncing sound on the toms >which had a very wierd effect. I explored similar techniques and others in a piece for percussion and tape. One movement used a set of three timpani, amplified using contact mics. The head tension of the timpani could be controlled dynamically with mechanical pedals. This is similar in effect to the breath pressure technique but in addition to allowing resonance glides it also enables the tension to be left for a time at a useful pitch. This works very well when the timp acts as a resonator for cymbals, which are played as Jon describes. Bowing (a cello bow works well), scraping, and rubbing with superball mallets all result in interesting tones, some of which resemble guitar feedback. Working the timp pedal enables you to pick out various resonances on the cymbal sound, and you can even create some interesting vibrato by working the pedal periodically. Superballs drawn across the drum head produce a variety of sounds depending on the degree of stick pressure, the speed of movement, the area of the head, and the pedal tension. Light stick pressure at a slow speed near the middle of the head, combined with slack pedal, will generally result in bouncy effects. Heavier stick pressure at a faster rate near the rim, combined with tight pedal, will generally result in continuous tones and even squeeks. Between the two extremes are rich growls and even hornlike tones. Bowing a metal rod, such as a triangle beater, while holding it flat against the drum head at the rim will result in a similar range of sounds. The length of the free section of the rod outside the rim is critical, as is the bowing technique. A shorter length of rod can produce a continuous tone, while a longer free section can result in chattering sounds. Working the pedal and sliding the rod can both create gliding sounds resembling whale songs. I ran these sounds through a tape delay to great effect. Wire drum brushes lightly swept over the drum head can produce a continuous white noise effect. Another noise effect can be created by spinning disks on the drum head. We used crotales (antique cymbals) spinning two at a time on each of two timpani, while the percussionist worked the pedals to change the relative pitch of the sound. All of these effects benefit greatly from amplification, though not without feedback hazards. I used a combination of contact mics (attached to the heads near the rim to minimize damping) and air mics. Some of the sounds (such as the brushes) ended up on the tape part only, some (such as the spinning crotales) were live only, and others (cymbal, syperball rubbing, and rod bowing) were both live and on tape. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 15:20:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02506; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 15:17:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 15:17:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:07:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Acoustic/Koto with Paper Clips and other tips for PREPARING LOOPABLE INSTRUMENTS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Get a piece of plastic flexible >> tubing and fit it airtight into a drum. Then play the drum while >> blowing/sucking into the tube. You can get a really cool realtime pitch >> shift by altering the pressure in the drum. This seems to work best on my >> floor tom. One of these days I'm going to try rigging up a footpedal/piston >> arrangement to control the pressure in the drum. I have also heard Stanton >> playing with toilet brushes, which is a really cool effect that I haven't >> tried yet. > >Hmm, I just so happen to have moved a floor tom, a length of plastic pipe >and a toilet brush, amongst other things from my storage locker yesterday. >I guess I'm prepared to prepare! > >-trey Way to go, fellow McGyvers!!!! Now get me a piece of chewing gum, a nine volt battery, and two carrots and i'll blow this place to kingdom come... :) rich nice idea on the tube into the drum...does it yield anything resembling a talking drum? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 16:35:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04561; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:31:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:31:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ac01c0914d$28d486e0$7287abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: References: <200102061817.NAA22798@hemlock.violacea.com> <00e201c090d6$4317acc0$0d89e3a5@poo> Subject: european loopers Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 22:29:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <3pUVFC.A.bGB.B6bg6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I would like to check how many of us are from Europe. the sense of my enquiry is just to have a list of us who are living in our continent for possible concerts in the future. I would like not to overload Looper's Delight' s list, so please reply me off-list. Please indicate: Country If you are a band or a single player Instrument played Thanks If anybody will be interested in having the result of this enquiry, I will be happy to send it to him/her. all the best luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 17:02:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05750; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:59:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:59:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c09151$15776aa0$35b41597@default> From: "Italo De Angelis" To: References: <200102061817.NAA22798@hemlock.violacea.com> <00e201c090d6$4317acc0$0d89e3a5@poo> <00ac01c0914d$28d486e0$7287abd4@a6d4z2> Subject: R: european loopers Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 22:58:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cos'hai in mente??? "Gabbianate"!!!!????? IT ----- Original Message ----- From: Luca To: Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 10:29 PM Subject: european loopers > Hi all, > I would like to check how many of us are from Europe. > the sense of my enquiry is just to have a list of us who are living in our > continent for possible concerts in the future. > I would like not to overload Looper's Delight' s list, so please reply me > off-list. > Please indicate: > > Country > If you are a band or a single player > Instrument played > > Thanks > > If anybody will be interested in having the result of this enquiry, I will > be happy to send it to him/her. > > all the best > luca > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 17:46:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09433; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 17:44:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 17:44:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Acoustic/Koto with Paper Clips and other tips for PREPARING LOOPABLE INSTRUMENTS Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 22:42:40 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2001 22:42:41.0012 (UTC) FILETIME=[4742DB40:01C09157] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >nice idea on the tube into the drum...does it yield anything >resembling a talking drum? It does resemble a talking drum! By the way, in case it was ambiguous: the plastic hose should be fed into the air-hole of the drum. Use the right diameter so that it fits air-tight, or else you won't get the desired results... bye- jon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 18:33:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11024; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:31:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:31:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010207233023.24315.qmail@web3405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 15:30:23 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Schindler Subject: electrix filter factory To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is anyone willing/able to compare/contrast the electrix filter factory with the EH microsynth? Or am I talking apples to oranges? My intended use is primarily bass and guitar if that matters. Thanks. Aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 20:14:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14269; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:10:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:10:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c0916a$dfeebd60$97990fce@com> From: "Stephen Bradley and Kristen Chamberlin" To: References: <22.11985f01.27b2557d@aol.com> Subject: Repeater and EDP Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:02:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone actually HAVE both a repeater and an EDP? Or does nobody actually have the repeater yet? Sorry, I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here, (did someone say that the Repeater isn't out yet and therefore no one on the list actually has one yet?)........I am still deciding which one to get (price IS a factor, although of course I'd love to be rich enough to afford both). I am leaning toward an EDP, but if someone has both, would you mind "stepping forth" to answer a couple of questions before I actually take the purchasing plunge? Thanks, Stephen Bradley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 20:21:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14560; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:17:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:17:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010207171013.01e80450@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 17:15:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater and EDP In-Reply-To: <000701c0916a$dfeebd60$97990fce@com> References: <22.11985f01.27b2557d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stephen Bradley and Kristen Chamberlin (05:02 PM 02/07/01) wrote: >Does anyone actually HAVE both a repeater and an EDP? Or does nobody >actually have the repeater yet? Repeater is not yet shipping. Damon Langlois (the Electrix rep here on the list) is no longer giving time guesstimates. They'll ship when they're happy with the performance. The machine was first shown in July 2000, and live audio demos were given at the NAMM show this past January so the product is close. Some folks on the list have more information than others due to Damon once making a beta copy of the manual available for people to browse through. Also, Damon has been pretty good about answering questions as they come up. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 20:22:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14661; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:19:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:19:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A81F3F1.434D4BD9@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 17:18:41 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater and EDP References: <22.11985f01.27b2557d@aol.com> <000701c0916a$dfeebd60$97990fce@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, You might want to check the archives before you ask such questions, but the Repeater was due out over a month ago, but has been delayed. Electrix isn't really telling the whole story, but I imagine it has something to do with software problems and manufacturing issues. Because it's half the price of the EDP, I pre ordered a Repeater. I'd love to tell you about it, but it's just a dream at this point. The EDP might be better, but not worth twice the cost, IMHO. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 21:02:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15655; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:53:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:53:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010207175115.01e78090@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 17:52:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater and EDP In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010207171013.01e80450@mail.redmoon-music.com> References: <000701c0916a$dfeebd60$97990fce@com> <22.11985f01.27b2557d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Pulver (05:15 PM 02/07/01) wrote: >Some folks on the list have more information than others due to Damon >once making a beta copy of the manual available for people to browse >through. FYI: The manual is still online, just moved from where it was. http://www.electrixpro.com/media/MANUALS/repeater_manual_BETA.pdf THIS IS A BETA MANUAL. NOTHING IS FINAL. EVERYTHING CAN CHANGE. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 7 21:26:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16792; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:22:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:22:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c09176$0a1216e0$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <22.11985f01.27b2557d@aol.com> <000701c0916a$dfeebd60$97990fce@com> <3A81F3F1.434D4BD9@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Repeater and EDP Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:22:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where are you getting your prices from? Last I checked they were just about neck and neck in price- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 5:18 PM Subject: Re: Repeater and EDP > Hey, > > You might want to check the archives before you ask such questions, but the > Repeater was due out over a month ago, but has been delayed. Electrix isn't > really telling the whole story, but I imagine it has something to do with > software problems and manufacturing issues. Because it's half the price of the > EDP, I pre ordered a Repeater. I'd love to tell you about it, but it's just a > dream at this point. The EDP might be better, but not worth twice the cost, > IMHO. > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 00:00:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20809; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 23:56:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 23:56:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A822773.1845ADE2@minds-eye.org> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 20:58:28 -0800 From: Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater and EDP References: <22.11985f01.27b2557d@aol.com> <000701c0916a$dfeebd60$97990fce@com> <3A81F3F1.434D4BD9@zerocrossing.net> <000f01c09176$0a1216e0$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Musicians Friend lists the Repeater for $599 in the last catalog. The EDP is a bit more than that correct? K Om_Audio wrote: > Where are you getting your prices from? Last I checked they were just about > neck and neck in price- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 02:16:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24406; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 02:14:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 02:14:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b001c0919e$9d5c3520$d282e3a5@poo> From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" To: References: <200102080500.AAA21410@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Acoustic/Koto with Paper Clifps for PREPARING LOOPABLE INSTURMENTS Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 23:13:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John, Thanks for the cool ideas I can't wait to try out that tube in the air hole idea!! .another cool snare drum trick is to use a wide open (no muffling) ambassador or similar head and tune the snare drum so that it has a decided pitched ringing overtone. Then playing a rimshot with your right hand put the tip of a stick onto the drum head and start transcribing different sized circles on the head with your left hand. You can get beautiful, dolphin like overtone manipulations which you can control rhythmically. The stick must touch the head but not be putting pressure on it. Also, there is the beautiful simple technique of playing the bell with the sideways butt end of a stick whilst using your left hand flattened out and making parallel rapid movements against the bell (without dampening it very much). this has a very pronounced phase effect on the bell, which can be controlled rhythmically. This works best on large bells on very heavy ride cymbals. Richard, I have been going to Radio Shack, lately, and building little contact mics out of piezo buzzers. Are these the kinds of contact mics you are talking about? Do you buy them or make them. BTW, I loved the ball bearings to bowling balls routine. I would love to try some of the things you talked about. Alas, I don't have access to the mega-expensive instruments, the timpani and the grand piano (that people don't object to rolling a bowling ball down ;-) There are some distinct advantages to being in the avante garde classical musical world, associated with institutions of higher learning. Access to equipment is definitely one of them. Thanks for all of the creative ideas. BTW, for those of you unfamiliar with Richard Zvonar's work, I highly recommend that you check out this very, very creative musician/sound technician. Loopers Delight Rocks. Thanks for all the great tips, guys. Keep up the stimulating, creative posts. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 02:31:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24777; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 02:27:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 02:27:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d701c091a0$7a7bc320$d282e3a5@poo> From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" To: References: <200102080500.AAA21410@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Electrix Filter Factory Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 23:26:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Aaron (and fellow loopers) I don't know the EH microsynth, but I must tell you, The electrix filter factory is really incredible. The addition of playable 'drum machine' buttons to either momentarily engage or disengage the effects (filtering and/or distortion) is a very, very hip thing for processing loops in really time. Also, the ability to drive a sequencer or drum maching with the midi controlled LFO as well as setting the tempi manually is also very, very cool. This is one of the best $300 I have ever spent on an effects unit. I can't more highly recommend it. I frequently will just 'play' my loop with this great unit as a dub section in my live looping gigs. A very hip usage is to create a very limited band with 'telephone' filter on the filter factory with the filter engage on a drum or percussion loop. By hitting the momentary button in a rhymic pattern you can suddenly bring in the full spectrum of the loop for very dramatic effects. This particularly rocks on Bass and Snare patterns. You can 'play' a 16 bar pattern and then suddenly disengage the effect and the whole thing hits hard, sonically. Very effective live processing. I must also say that I'm in love with Electrix's Warp Factory, vocoder. If you feed your voice or another instrument as a modulator for a prerecorded loop you have a lot of control over the harmonic content. This makes a synthesizer especially organically sensitive!!! I don't even ever use the cliched Robotic voice vocoder effect at all. This unit also has what is called a formant freeze function which allows you to morph the harmonic content and then freeze the timbre at an appropriate time. This is a very cool way of playing a very organic synth lead, freezing the formant at the end of an lead intro, playing the solo, and then finishing your phrasing by disengaging the effect and completing the phrase with your vocal manipulations of timbre. You just use vowel sounds to control the harmonics of the sound you are effecting. You can also use drum machines to 'vocode' ambient patches for beautiful rhythmic ghosting effects. I haven't even begun to figure out all the cool things this unit does and I haven't even tried their Flanging, Chorusing, Distortion unit yet. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 03:41:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26032; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 03:38:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 03:38:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c091aa$91d1fda0$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <22.11985f01.27b2557d@aol.com> <000701c0916a$dfeebd60$97990fce@com> <3A81F3F1.434D4BD9@zerocrossing.net> <000f01c09176$0a1216e0$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> <3A822773.1845ADE2@minds-eye.org> Subject: Re: Repeater and EDP Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 00:38:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think it is like $750 including the foot controller- anyone want to chime in with the current EDP street price? I bought mine like 2 years ago- my oh my how time flies- - - cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 8:58 PM Subject: Re: Repeater and EDP > Musicians Friend lists the Repeater for $599 in the last catalog. The EDP is a > bit more than that correct? > > K > > Om_Audio wrote: > > > Where are you getting your prices from? Last I checked they were just about > > neck and neck in price- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 04:57:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27544; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 04:55:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 04:55:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A81F3F1.434D4BD9@zerocrossing.net> References: <22.11985f01.27b2557d@aol.com> <000701c0916a$dfeebd60$97990fce@com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 01:53:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater and EDP Resent-Message-ID: <8GDHt.A.MuG.Nzmg6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:18 PM -0800 2/7/01, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Hey, > >You might want to check the archives before you ask such questions, but the >Repeater was due out over a month ago, but has been delayed. Electrix isn't >really telling the whole story, but I imagine it has something to do with >software problems and manufacturing issues. Because it's half the price >of the >EDP, I pre ordered a Repeater. I'd love to tell you about it, but it's just a >dream at this point. The EDP might be better, but not worth twice the cost, >IMHO. > >Mark That's complete nonsense. the echoplex is nowhere near twice the prices quoted for repeater. More like $50-100 difference depending on who you ask. Check your facts before saying crap like that. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 05:22:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA28446; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 05:21:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 05:21:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c091b8$c6b9f6e0$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: , References: <000801c091b7$c4c4fa20$0301a8c0@SATAN> Subject: Re: The MP3.COM issue - Radio Station Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:20:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/64/loopers_delight.html cheers, os. os@scee.sony.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/ http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/ http://www.collective.co.uk/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 10:13 AM Subject: The MP3.COM issue - Radio Station > Fellow loopers, > > as the mp3.com issue was recently discussed, also in conjunction with the > "field recordings" stuff... > > is there already a Looper's Delight radio station on mp3.com? If no, I'd > like to organize one. Principle: anything goes, as long as it involves > looping of any kind. Not more than two submissions per artist. And so on... > > Anyone interested ? > > Rainer > > Rainer Straschill > Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de > digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de > The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 05:22:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA28406; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 05:20:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 05:20:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 05:18:46 EST Subject: Midi Control + JamMan + straight into overdub To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: <5Zwc1C.A.I7G.tKng6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Many thanks to all contributers to my question about midi delay. Conclusions:- 1) JamMan responds slowly (thanks Miko) 2) MFC10 responds slowly as well 3) the fault isn't with the Midi standard (thanks Matthias/Kim) I did some tests using the MFC10 as a 'Keyboard', and there's definatly a delay, when I went back to a 'real' keyboard for comparison it felt like the notes were coming out before I played them. Well 'don't buy Yamaha unless it's the only thing available' seems to be the moral, (apart from 'there's lot's wrong with the JamMan'). On a more positive note, I found I could program a footswitch to end tap a loop and go straight into overdub. There's a small (non-glitching) dropout, but suddenly canons are possible( have to tap slightly before the beat to compensate for delay though). Andy Butler. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 05:22:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA28414; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 05:20:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 05:20:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <23.72b389c.27b3cc86@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 05:18:46 EST Subject: Re: Acoustic/Koto with Paper Clips and other tips for PREPARING LOOPABLE INSTRU To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: <0d8N4D.A.u7G.RLng6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK the old standby for instruments with 4 or more strings, especially electric guitar pull one of the strings away from the body and insert a screwdriver, then twang the screwdriver. ...and if anyone still hasn't checked out Cage's prepared piano sonatas hope this isn't annoyingly off-topic. I find that getting unusual sounds from an instrument helps when building layered loops. Andy Butler. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 05:23:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA28300; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 05:14:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 05:14:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: The MP3.COM issue - Radio Station Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:13:22 +0100 Message-ID: <000801c091b7$c4c4fa20$0301a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00ac01c0914d$28d486e0$7287abd4@a6d4z2> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <_etd6B.A.85G.dFng6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fellow loopers, as the mp3.com issue was recently discussed, also in conjunction with the "field recordings" stuff... is there already a Looper's Delight radio station on mp3.com? If no, I'd like to organize one. Principle: anything goes, as long as it involves looping of any kind. Not more than two submissions per artist. And so on... Anyone interested ? Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 06:50:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA30066; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 06:44:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 06:44:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c091c4$87ec4600$03b61597@default> From: "Italo De Angelis" To: References: <22.11985f01.27b2557d@aol.com><000701c0916a$dfeebd60$97990fce@com> Subject: R: Repeater and EDP Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 12:44:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here in Italy you pay 1100 US dollars to buy an EDP...SOLID ! ! ! That's it...no discount...any shop! Moreover it's a custom order, so Mogar, the local distributor, imports one unit everytime there's one customer that wants it. SAD & STOOPID! Repeater is not out yet, so comparisons are no possible now but the local Electrix distributor, Synchro, has all their products in stock...many shops carry them at very good prices....so, when Repeater comes out...guess what? Surely price difference will be WAY more than 50/100 bucks...but let's see...the time is closer and closer... Italo ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Flint To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 10:53 AM Subject: Re: Repeater and EDP > At 5:18 PM -0800 2/7/01, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >Hey, > > > >You might want to check the archives before you ask such questions, but the > >Repeater was due out over a month ago, but has been delayed. Electrix isn't > >really telling the whole story, but I imagine it has something to do with > >software problems and manufacturing issues. Because it's half the price > >of the > >EDP, I pre ordered a Repeater. I'd love to tell you about it, but it's just a > >dream at this point. The EDP might be better, but not worth twice the cost, > >IMHO. > > > >Mark > > That's complete nonsense. the echoplex is nowhere near twice the prices > quoted for repeater. More like $50-100 difference depending on who you ask. > Check your facts before saying crap like that. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 08:33:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32567; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 08:29:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 08:29:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 07:29:01 -0600 Subject: Re: Repeater and EDP From: Steve Ginn To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3A822773.1845ADE2@minds-eye.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <105RSC.A.o8H.f8pg6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the EDP's go for about $750 without the footpedal, which is another $100 or so. on 2/7/01 10:58 PM, Kevin at kevin@minds-eye.org wrote: > Musicians Friend lists the Repeater for $599 in the last catalog. The EDP is > a > bit more than that correct? > > K > > Om_Audio wrote: > >> Where are you getting your prices from? Last I checked they were just about >> neck and neck in price- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 10:09:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01931; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 09:55:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 09:55:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.40] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater and EDP Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 14:54:29 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2001 14:54:29.0585 (UTC) FILETIME=[09E10410:01C091DF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmmmm...I just got a catalog from (cough) Musician's Friend (which is really GC) and there is the Repeater big as day...in fact taking up a half a catlog page! $599....now, I don't trust the folks at Musician's Friend very much at all...but this doesn't sound like a "preorder". Max >From: "Om_Audio" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: Repeater and EDP >Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:22:52 -0800 > >Where are you getting your prices from? Last I checked they were just about >neck and neck in price- > >Cliff > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Sottilaro" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 5:18 PM >Subject: Re: Repeater and EDP > > > > Hey, > > > > You might want to check the archives before you ask such questions, but >the > > Repeater was due out over a month ago, but has been delayed. Electrix >isn't > > really telling the whole story, but I imagine it has something to do >with > > software problems and manufacturing issues. Because it's half the price >of the > > EDP, I pre ordered a Repeater. I'd love to tell you about it, but it's >just a > > dream at this point. The EDP might be better, but not worth twice the >cost, > > IMHO. > > > > Mark > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 10:24:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02787; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:22:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:22:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:29:56 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Repeater memory Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damon informed well: >...Things like time stretch >or pitch shift ranges could be bigger when a loop is in internal memory then >when on CFC. That said, some of the newer cards coming out look like they >will have little or no difference in speed with the internal memory. thats very nice... > >Or: what do we need the internal memory for? > >If you want to copy from one card to another, if you lose or break your >card, see above. > oh, sure, why did I not think of that... So the only memory limitation is that you cannot copy a 4 track loop with 23 sec from one card to another. Minor. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 10:25:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02776; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:21:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:21:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010206083715.01dfe438@mail.redmoon-music.com> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010206083715.01dfe438@mail.redmoon-music.com> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:29:32 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: repeater question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Simeon Harris (03:26 AM 02.06.2001) wrote: > >>Concerning recording ambient textures - I'd like to know whether you can >>drop immediately into overdub when creating a new loop and setting the loop >>boundary, so that any delay or reverb tails will be captured at the >>beginning of the loop as it cycles round again. > >If you're heading for overdub mode, then that means that the loop >length has already been set (you must be overdubbing over >something). So, for Repeater, the answer is "yes, you can drop into >overdub mode with just a single button press". > are you sure you got the question right, Mark? Isnt it the Record button that is used for Overdubbing? So how can you end recording and start Overdubbing at the same time? Wich combination of buttons is that? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 10:28:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03023; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:26:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:26:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:34:12 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Repeater and EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I think the EDP's go for about $750 without the footpedal, which is another >$100 or so. right, as I understand, you need a MIDI pedal board to operate the Repeater which brings the prices to the same level again. >on 2/7/01 10:58 PM, Kevin at kevin@minds-eye.org wrote: > >> Musicians Friend lists the Repeater for $599 in the last catalog. >>The EDP is >> a >> bit more than that correct? >> >> K >> >> Om_Audio wrote: >> >>> Where are you getting your prices from? Last I checked they were just about >>> neck and neck in price- >> -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 10:55:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03510; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:52:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:52:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Repeater and EDP Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 09:49:20 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Or you can use the three button Digitech FS-300V footswitch for sale on Digitech's web site for $49.95! (according to the Repeater beta manual) > > >I think the EDP's go for about $750 without the footpedal, > which is another > >$100 or so. > > right, as I understand, you need a MIDI pedal board to operate the > Repeater which brings the prices to the same level again. > > >on 2/7/01 10:58 PM, Kevin at kevin@minds-eye.org wrote: > > > >> Musicians Friend lists the Repeater for $599 in the last catalog. > >>The EDP is > >> a > >> bit more than that correct? > >> > >> K > >> > >> Om_Audio wrote: > >> > >>> Where are you getting your prices from? Last I checked > they were just about > >>> neck and neck in price- > >> > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 10:57:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03441; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:49:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:49:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Repeater and EDP Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 09:46:01 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think both Electrix and Gibson have very similar suggested retail prices for the units. However, there may be some differences in the margins between the units where retailers have more room to work with in bringing a lower street price for the Repeater. Or maybe since the EDP is being produced at a slower rate than what is anticipated for the Repeater and demand is still high, current retailers feel they don't have a need to discount the EDP since it is currently the only game in town. It will be interesting to see when the Repeater finally hits the shelves, if retailers either reduce the price down on the EDP to match the Repeater or if Gibson makes an attempt to encourage retailers to do further price reductions so the EDP is competitively priced relative to the Repeater. Then maybe we will have a real apples to apples comparison (except for minor differences between the units). I think right now it is difficult to make this type of comparison because not only do we not have a Repeater in which to compare against, but the price differences are enough to call into question of whether or not the EDP is worth the extra. Only time will tell. Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 11:02:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04267; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:00:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:00:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers Radio Station Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 10:26:57 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2001 15:26:57.0703 (UTC) FILETIME=[930C3B70:01C091E3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The only problem with this radio station is trying to add other artists. The person who started this site has disappeared! I think it may be time for a new station, maybe with a link to the origonal site? Pete. >From: "Os" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: , >Subject: Re: The MP3.COM issue - Radio Station >Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:20:35 -0000 > >http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/64/loopers_delight.html > > >cheers, >os. > >os@scee.sony.co.uk >http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/ >http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/ >http://www.collective.co.uk/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rainer Straschill" >To: >Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 10:13 AM >Subject: The MP3.COM issue - Radio Station > > > > Fellow loopers, > > > > as the mp3.com issue was recently discussed, also in conjunction with >the > > "field recordings" stuff... > > > > is there already a Looper's Delight radio station on mp3.com? If no, I'd > > like to organize one. Principle: anything goes, as long as it involves > > looping of any kind. Not more than two submissions per artist. And so >on... > > > > Anyone interested ? > > > > Rainer > > > > Rainer Straschill > > Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de > > digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de > > The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 11:03:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04268; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:00:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:00:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010208074449.01e3aea8@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 07:59:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: repeater question In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010206083715.01dfe438@mail.redmoon-music.com> <5.0.2.1.2.20010206083715.01dfe438@mail.redmoon-music.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias Grob (08:29 AM 02.08.2001) wrote: >>Simeon Harris (03:26 AM 02.06.2001) wrote: >> >>>Concerning recording ambient textures - I'd like to know whether you can >>>drop immediately into overdub when creating a new loop and setting the >>>loop >>>boundary, so that any delay or reverb tails will be captured at the >>>beginning of the loop as it cycles round again. >> >>If you're heading for overdub mode, then that means that the loop >>length has already been set (you must be overdubbing over something). >>So, for Repeater, the answer is "yes, you can drop into overdub mode >>with just a single button press". > >are you sure you got the question right, Mark? >Isnt it the Record button that is used for Overdubbing? So how can you >end recording and start Overdubbing at the same time? >Wich combination of buttons is that? We may be reading Simeon's question different. I wasn't seeing him ask about stopping record and starting overdub in one button press. I read him as asking if you can hit one button and start overdub on top of a loop that is already running. If that's what he means, then it's a press of the record button that will make it happen if the unit is in OVERDUB (versus REPLACE) mode. But, you _can_ run into overdub mode on the fly as you're thinking. Given that you're starting with all tracks empty, then set Repeater for OVERDUB mode and record your loop. When you hit the RECORD button, you will set the end point of the loop as well as leave the unit in RECORD mode. Since you're actually in OVERDUB, you're all set. As well, I think that if you're in REPLACE mode when recording the original loop, then hitting the RECORD button will set the end point _and_ switch to OVERDUB mode. If you wanted to stay in REPLACE mode, then you would hit PLAY to set the end point. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 11:03:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04271; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:00:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:00:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010208074004.01e402b8@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 07:44:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater and EDP In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias Grob (08:34 AM 02.08.2001) wrote: >>I think the EDP's go for about $750 without the footpedal, which is another >>$100 or so. > >right, as I understand, you need a MIDI pedal board to operate the >Repeater which brings the prices to the same level again. ? Repeater will run from a 3 button box (e.g. FS-300) as well, and I think that Electrix is planing to ship one with the unit. Repeater will listen to MIDI as well for all functions, but the basic functions of Tap, Play/Stop, Record are covered with the 3 button box. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 11:09:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05060; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:08:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:08:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Midi Control + JamMan + straight into overdub Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:04:51 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can you tell me what message you are trying to send with the MFC10? I have an MFC10 and also a PMC-10 and I would like to make a side by side comparison of the speed in which they send their data streams out to the receiving units. Have you tried setting up a programmable Midi Patchbay like the MOTU MTP AV so that it sends the required data to the midi device and only requiring a single program change message to control the patchbay? Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 4:19 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Midi Control + JamMan + straight into overdub > > > Many thanks to all contributers to my question about midi delay. > Conclusions:- > 1) JamMan responds slowly (thanks Miko) > 2) MFC10 responds slowly as well > 3) the fault isn't with the Midi standard (thanks Matthias/Kim) > I did some tests using the MFC10 as a 'Keyboard', and > there's definatly a delay, when I went back to a 'real' keyboard > for comparison it felt like the notes were coming out before > I played them. > Well 'don't buy Yamaha unless it's the only thing available' seems > to be the moral, (apart from 'there's lot's wrong with the JamMan'). > > On a more positive note, I found I could program a footswitch to > end tap a loop and go straight into overdub. There's a small > (non-glitching) > dropout, but suddenly canons are possible( have to tap > slightly before the > beat > to compensate for delay though). > > Andy Butler. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 11:32:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05899; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:31:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:31:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 08:27:29 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Repeater and EDP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA05821 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> ekstasis1@hotmail.com 02/08/01 06:54AM >>> Hmmmmm...I just got a catalog from (cough) Musician's Friend (which is really GC) and there is the Repeater big as day...in fact taking up a half a catlog page! $599....now, I don't trust the folks at Musician's Friend very much at all...but this doesn't sound like a "preorder". Max They frequently advertise items that haven't yet hit the shelf... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 11:35:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06052; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:33:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:33:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00af01c091eb$e2239a20$82868aa4@ftiprhab64> From: "mathieu" To: Subject: ringmod guitar Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:26:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C091F4.411F6C40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <7UGiN.A.4cB.7nsg6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C091F4.411F6C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi list, not exactly looping issue but anyone knows how to build a ring modulator = in order to set it in my guitar(cheap Epiphone)? The aim is to controll the ringmod while playing. think of pulling the dead hi-tone mike off... thanx :: m ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C091F4.411F6C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

hi list,
 
not exactly looping issue but anyone knows how to build a ring = modulator in=20 order to set it in my guitar(cheap Epiphone)?
The aim is to controll the ringmod while playing.
think of pulling the dead hi-tone mike off...
thanx
 
:: m
------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C091F4.411F6C40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 12:39:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08136; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 12:37:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 12:37:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <23.72b389c.27b3cc86@aol.com> References: <23.72b389c.27b3cc86@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:44:58 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: flexible amplification to loop el. guitars Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <14vIzC.A.t-B.fktg6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy puts it right: >hope this isn't annoyingly off-topic. >I find that getting unusual sounds from an instrument >helps when building layered loops. > I typed "amblification" first, maybe thats what I am heading for? :-) I wanted to remind the users of straight guitar amps: I can easily understand the wish to connect to the traditional sound that so many masters have filled with grace and I agree that the sound only comes out original with the original equipment. But: A guitar amp is different from a studio or PA amplifications system in that it colours the sound a lot. Part of it in the electronics and more even with speakers and cabinet form. So most of that characteristic is constant, its what you like about the amp, so you like it allways, but its always the same. While you play in a band, thats ok, its your color. Once you start looping and acumulating guitars with different functions, the whole sound has that same characteristic, every Overub has the sound of the amp, be it the rhythm base or the solo... And: If you place the loop gear before the guitar amp, you get another worse problem: The guitar amp was made to sound nice with one guitar coming, and it shows all of its imperfection when you send overlayed guitars to it. Even if it does not clip, there are a lot of little distortions in amp and speaker (the ones you like!) that become a totally different meaning and mix up the loop into a constant colored (rather brown :-) soup. No? So: I recommend to basically work flat and use colored guitar amps only for certain sounds, maybe one or two layers in the loop. For the others you will find nice new colors going directly from some effect pedal to the PA and stuff. And you end up liking sounds that dont remind master XY whom you like, but whose CDs the others have at home, too! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 13:03:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09244; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:01:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:01:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010208074004.01e402b8@mail.redmoon-music.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 09:59:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater and EDP Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:44 AM -0800 2/8/01, Mark Pulver wrote: >Matthias Grob (08:34 AM 02.08.2001) wrote: > > >>I think the EDP's go for about $750 without the footpedal, which is another > >>$100 or so. > > > >right, as I understand, you need a MIDI pedal board to operate the > >Repeater which brings the prices to the same level again. > >? Repeater will run from a 3 button box (e.g. FS-300) as well, and I think >that Electrix is planing to ship one with the unit. > >Repeater will listen to MIDI as well for all functions, but the basic >functions of Tap, Play/Stop, Record are covered with the 3 button box. > what would be the point of getting a Repeater and only using those three functions? You could save yourself a lot of money and get a headrush or DL-4 or boomerang and do much more than that. Seems to me a good midi controller is essential for repeater, and those cost at least $250. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 13:06:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09433; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:05:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:05:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:04:21 EST Subject: Repeater To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone received their Repeaters yet? What is the consensus? Thanks, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 13:27:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10245; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:25:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:25:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 12:21:20 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 02/08/2001 12:21:23 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sorry for what I'm about to do. Jeez. Didn't we discuss this just 20 posts back? Here it is: 5:07pm Feb-7, less than 24 hours ago. Please consult the archives, or at least read the last couple of days' threads so that you're up to date. Damn, now I feel like an ass. I'm going to send this anyway, though. Every new member (and I'm not that much a veteran myself) can now hate me for my curmudgeonly ways. L Jhsidlo@aol.c om To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com cc: 02/08/01 Subject: Repeater 12:04 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht Has anyone received their Repeaters yet? What is the consensus? Thanks, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 13:38:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10820; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:36:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:36:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001b01c091c4$87ec4600$03b61597@default> References: <22.11985f01.27b2557d@aol.com><000701c0916a$dfeebd60$97990fce@com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:34:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: EDP and CE for Europe Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:44 AM -0800 2/8/01, Italo De Angelis wrote: >Here in Italy you pay 1100 US dollars to buy an EDP...SOLID ! ! ! That's >it...no discount...any shop! Moreover it's a custom order, so Mogar, the >local distributor, imports one unit everytime there's one customer that >wants it. SAD & STOOPID! they are doing CE approval for echoplex right now. Hopefully they will get it soon and this situation will change a lot! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 13:39:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10461; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:31:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:31:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <7f.fea87d4.27b43fc0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:30:24 EST Subject: RE: Midi Control + JamMan + straight into overdub To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Steve > Can you tell me what message you are trying to send with the MFC10? I > have an MFC10 and also a PMC-10 and I would like to make a side by side Pgm Chg 1 ...to tap Pgm Chg 6 ...into overdub Using an MFC10 function button, Pn1 & Pn2 respectively. > Have you tried setting up a programmable Midi Patchbay like the MOTU MTP > AV so that it sends the required data to the midi device and only > requiring a single program change message to control the patchbay? No, and whatever you send from an MFC10, even if its just one message you already have a sizeable delay( thanks Yamaha). Please let me know if the PMC-10 is faster, I'm going to check it's features. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 13:42:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11051; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:40:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:40:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: flexible amplification to loop el. guitars Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 13:38:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2001 18:38:53.0961 (UTC) FILETIME=[6345BF90:01C091FE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >So: >I recommend to basically work flat and use colored guitar amps only >for certain sounds, maybe one or two layers in the loop. For the >others you will find nice new colors going directly from some effect >pedal to the PA and stuff. >And you end up liking sounds that dont remind master XY whom you >like, but whose CDs the others have at home, too! I play with a guy who also cherrishes the sound of a good old fashioned amp.(rightly so!) With our set-up, we tried to accomadate him, but because of space issues, he ended up drownding everyone else out, and he couldnt get the looper/amp combo to sound right. We found a peice of gear called the "ampulator". It doesnt sound "just like an amp" But its damn close for the purpose of using a looper with a guitar, in a live room. Nice rich tones, and less mess(noise,hiss)than using an amp. Might be worth a shot! Pete. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 13:51:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11612; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:49:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:49:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 10:37:16 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Acoustic/Koto with Paper Clifps for PREPARING LOOPABLE INSTURMENTS In-reply-to: <00b001c0919e$9d5c3520$d282e3a5@poo> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <200102080500.AAA21410@hemlock.violacea.com> <00b001c0919e$9d5c3520$d282e3a5@poo> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:13 PM -0800 2/7/01, Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) wrote: >I have been going to Radio Shack, lately, and building little >contact mics out of piezo buzzers. >Are these the kinds of contact mics you are talking about? Do you buy them >or make them. I'm familiar with the piezo buzzers, and in fact I have a few. The contact mics I was using were not of that variety. They were a bit more massive, about the size of the Enter key on a computer keyboard, and they had a plastic casing. I have no idea of the source and it's likely these particular items are no longer manufactured (I did this piece in 1979). The pickups didn't have much high end, which is why I supplemented them with air mics, but they did produce a lot of bass. You might find the reverse to be true with piezos, and it may be necessary to use combinations of transducers to get the sound you want. Something to be aware of is that signal breakup from overload can be reduced by adding layers of double-sided foam tape between the drum head and the transducer. There's some tradeoff of signal quality, but that's part of the art of percussion tranduction. The music department at UCSD was a real hotbed of electroacoustic transducer research, mostly in the context of instrument building. Prent Rogers, Tom Nunn, and David Poyourow had a very interesting ensemble using large sheet metal sculptures with rods braised on to them. The sound was picked up with a variety of transducers and the instruments were mounted on balloons as a way to reduce damping. Another technique used was mounting of speaker drivers to various objects (as in David Tudor's "Rainforest") and then to "extract" the resulting transformed vibrations with pickups. David Poyourow's "Whale Ghosts Over Coastal Arizona" used piano wire strung hundreds of feet between highrise dorm buildings. Vibration was induced with Radio Shack "wall speaker" drivers (since discontinued, I think) and picked up again with magnetic pickups. Sort of a giant guitar Ebow system. >Alas, I don't have access to the mega-expensive instruments, the timpani >and the grand piano (that people don't object to rolling a bowling ball down >;-) There are some distinct advantages to being in the avante garde >classical musical world, associated with institutions of higher learning. >Access to equipment is definitely one of them. Quite true. My percussion piece, for instance, was done while I was a graduate student at UCSD. However, as my Republican stepfather used to say, "Where there's a will there's a way." I've manage to scam up a bit of support from time to time by cultivating relationships with institutions and manufacturers. I'm also notorious for milking academic institutions for resources (as Cabrillo College Performing Arts Chair Lile O. Cruse said, "Never again!"). -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 14:03:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12458; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:59:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:59:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c09201$5ad7f960$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: Splattercell, waddah baahgan! Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:00:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C091BE.48594E80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C091BE.48594E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Got my 2 splattercell cds- except they were both copies of Remixes- OAH = is being sent- good sounds- will be interesting to see what the original = tracks sound like compared to the remixes- I had to mention these as = they are like both less than 5 or 6 bucks each- www.75ark.com DT- I was wondering how they/you got the track stuttering, drums and = general nastiness on "Romance Refined" - any insights appreciated-=20 P.S. Rich- I got a gift for you...... Cliff Om_Audio ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C091BE.48594E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Got my 2 splattercell cds- except they were both = copies of=20 Remixes- OAH is being sent- good sounds- will be interesting to see what = the=20 original tracks sound like compared to the remixes- I had to mention = these as=20 they are like both less than 5 or 6 bucks each- www.75ark.com
 
DT- I was wondering how they/you got the track stuttering, drums = and=20 general nastiness on "Romance Refined" - any insights appreciated- =
 
P.S. Rich- I got a gift for = you......
 
Cliff
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------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C091BE.48594E80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 14:05:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12794; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:04:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:04:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 11:02:28 -0800 From: "Tim Sanz" To: Subject: Re: flexible amplification to loop el. guitars Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA12635 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com or... plug yer favorite old amp's speaker output into the Groove Tubes SEII then to all yer favorite toys then to the console. I don't know how well this baby works but I know you can get em. I use and love an Allan Holdsworth Harness which is similar to the GT SEII .... These allows you to use vintage tube amps direct through signal processors/ loopers to capture your favorite tube amps tone in the beginning of your chain...... or.... anyone? -cheers TS http://www.groovetubes.com got to studio gear under SEII >>> manx172@hotmail.com 02/08 10:39 AM >>> >So: >I recommend to basically work flat and use colored guitar amps only >for certain sounds, maybe one or two layers in the loop. For the >others you will find nice new colors going directly from some effect >pedal to the PA and stuff. >And you end up liking sounds that dont remind master XY whom you >like, but whose CDs the others have at home, too! I play with a guy who also cherrishes the sound of a good old fashioned amp.(rightly so!) With our set-up, we tried to accomadate him, but because of space issues, he ended up drownding everyone else out, and he couldnt get the looper/amp combo to sound right. We found a peice of gear called the "ampulator". It doesnt sound "just like an amp" But its damn close for the purpose of using a looper with a guitar, in a live room. Nice rich tones, and less mess(noise,hiss)than using an amp. Might be worth a shot! Pete. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 14:18:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13235; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:16:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:16:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c09203$836d27e0$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: Subject: Re: flexible amplification to loop el. guitars Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:14:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <_H0WtD.A.aOD.DBvg6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where can you get the AH Harness? c ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sanz" To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 11:02 AM Subject: Re: flexible amplification to loop el. guitars > or... plug yer favorite old amp's speaker output into the Groove Tubes SEII > then to all yer favorite toys then to the console. I don't know how well this baby works but I know you can get em. > I use and love an Allan Holdsworth Harness which is similar to the GT SEII .... > These allows you to use vintage tube amps direct through signal processors/ loopers to capture your favorite tube amps tone > in the beginning of your chain...... or.... anyone? > -cheers > TS > > http://www.groovetubes.com > got to studio gear under SEII > > > >>> manx172@hotmail.com 02/08 10:39 AM >>> > >So: > >I recommend to basically work flat and use colored guitar amps only > >for certain sounds, maybe one or two layers in the loop. For the > >others you will find nice new colors going directly from some effect > >pedal to the PA and stuff. > >And you end up liking sounds that dont remind master XY whom you > >like, but whose CDs the others have at home, too! > > I play with a guy who also cherrishes the sound of a good old fashioned > amp.(rightly so!) With our set-up, we tried to accomadate him, but because > of space issues, he ended up drownding everyone else out, and he couldnt get > the looper/amp combo to sound right. > We found a peice of gear called the "ampulator". It doesnt sound "just like > an amp" But its damn close for the purpose of using a looper with a guitar, > in a live room. Nice rich tones, and less mess(noise,hiss)than using an amp. > Might be worth a shot! > Pete. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 14:33:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13844; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:30:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:30:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 11:27:55 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: flexible amplification to loop el. guitars Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA13802 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > or... plug yer favorite old amp's speaker output into the Groove Tubes SEII then to all yer favorite toys then to the console. I don't know how well this baby works but I know you can get em. I use and love an Allan Holdsworth Harness which is similar to the GT SEII ... These allows you to use vintage tube amps direct through signal processors/ loopers to capture your favorite tube amps tone in the beginning of your chain...... or.... anyone? cheers TS I personally use a GT-5 with speaker simulation, but when I WAS using an amp, I found the HK Red Box to be a good sounding, cheap, small and simple solution. You can either take the preamp out, or put it between the power amp speaker output and the speaker. The new ones don't use batteries either... Then there's the good old Sans Amp Classic and GT2. -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 14:43:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14293; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:40:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:40:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A82F5C4.155EED6C@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 11:54:57 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT (was flexible amplification...) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Sanz wrote: > or... plug yer favorite old amp's speaker output into the Groove Tubes SEII > then to all yer favorite toys then to the console. I don't know how well this baby works but I know you can get em. > I use and love an Allan Holdsworth Harness which is similar to the GT SEII .... > These allows you to use vintage tube amps direct through signal processors/ loopers to capture your favorite tube amps tone > in the beginning of your chain...... or.... anyone? > -cheers > TS > > dang me and my lousy memory! (sorta on this thread) in the latest issue of tape op, in the reviews section is a short piece by larry crane about a really great looking 8-watt tube amp called babytube (or somethin'). msrp of around $600US, but also comes available with a 10-tube assortment pack for swapping out different colors...has a simple (2-knob) interactive tone & gain control. the amp is advertised elsewhere in the mag, and looks *amazing*; exposed transformer/tubes a la ampeg b12. if anyone has seen (or heard) this amp and has more info, please post. i want one! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 15:04:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15491; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:01:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:01:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.08039426803589.93.3972079753876@1.00004587725697> X-Sender: X-Mailer: Ken's Useful eMail Suite v5.1 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 14:55:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ken Subject: ken's last ever radio extravaganza sun. 2/11 5:45pm NYC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (Bring a radio, and art supplies) Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza Show #243: Sunday Feb. 11, 5:45pm At C.O.M.A. Winter Benefit for ABC No-Rio, community center for art and activism 156 Rivington Street, Lower East Side, NYC Amidst and among a couple dozen improvisational musicians Starting at the beginning Appearing intermittently throughout Possibly resolving near the end The event will be similar to last summer's building-wide improvisational fest But different Slightly less simultaneous Another attempt to weave sonic components spontaneously from nowhere Or from right here Into and throughout mix yielding, possibly, layers of confused audio bliss Or possibly not Improvisation means There's no way to know until it happens Or possibly a little bit afterward Static Samples Video game noises Layers of classical piano loops Pop music destroyed Complaining attendees Broken eardrums Feedback loops from within the space Sounds of other earlier, current, or future artists playing at benefit How on earth should I know? Curious to find out Affect the outcome Then plan to attend Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza @ C.O.M.A. Winter Benefit for ABC No-Rio Sunday Feb. 11, 5:45pm 156 Rivington Street, Lower East Side, NYC Betw. Clinton St. & Suffolk St. (F/J/M/Z to Delancy/Essex) Suggested donation: $10 Read about prior 7 years of Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/ There are also four (4) complete shows of the 242 now online Listen to them, in low-fi streaming audio splendor http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/ (Click "Listen") Ignore the painful ads maliciously inserted CD's of shows available http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/ Expression outlet kenzo@free-music.com People are more important than corporations From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 15:04:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15547; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:02:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:02:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 11:00:20 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Transducers In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <22.11985f01.27b2557d@aol.com> <000701c0916a$dfeebd60$97990fce@com> Resent-Message-ID: <1om-NB.A.ayD.jsvg6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The guitarists on this list are undoubtedly familiar with Maniac Music's Sustainiac transducer systems. These could also have application to home-brew instruments as well as some of the percussion hacks we've been discussing. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 15:49:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16966; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:47:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:47:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 12:45:17 -0800 From: "Tim Sanz" To: Subject: Re: flexible amplification to loop el. guitars Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA16866 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> clifsound@mediaone.net 02/08 11:15 AM >>> Where can you get the AH Harness? they've been discontinued for many years now. got mine a while back used, Allans story on this subject is a sad one. could go off line on this if you like. like to see if anyone on this list has tried a Groove Tube SE II though...anyone....please? Ts From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 16:05:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18304; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:01:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:01:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A8308EE.F6E19DAB@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 13:00:31 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ringmod guitar References: <00af01c091eb$e2239a20$82868aa4@ftiprhab64> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I tried this using one of the schematics from Criag Anderton's 100 electronic projects for musicians book, and was dissipointed with the results. It was very noisy by modern effect standards. I then found that the Korg AX30 had a great ring mod patch, and a really interesting "pressure pedal" expression pedal (not on a hinge, but like pressing a heavy spring) Anyway, it workes really well. Also, the Digitech Space Station has great ring mod effects that you can also control with it's built in expression pedal. Good luck. mathieu wrote: > hi list, not exactly looping issue but anyone knows how to build a > ring modulator in order to set it in my guitar(cheap Epiphone)?The aim > is to controll the ringmod while playing.think of pulling the dead > hi-tone mike off...thanx :: m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 16:08:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18528; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:06:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:06:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 12:57:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: flexible amplification to loop el. guitars Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4UP5ZB.A.8gE.kowg6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >>> clifsound@mediaone.net 02/08 11:15 AM >>> >Where can you get the AH Harness? > >they've been discontinued for many years now. >got mine a while back used, Allans story on this subject is a sad one. >could go off line on this if you like. > >like to see if anyone on this list has >tried a Groove Tube SE II though...anyone....please? >Ts Saw an interesting amp head at namm. THD is making a 15 watt head (tiny little thing with exposed tubes and such) that has their 'hot plate' technology in it, which is, if i'm not mistaken, some sort of powerbrake or soak? It seemed really flexible as far as getting saturated tube-tone but being able to go direct or into other equipment for further processing or amplification. i don't think it was cheap...somewhere around $1000 us if i remember, but might be something to check out. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 16:24:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19600; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:22:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:22:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 16:21:53 -0500 Subject: FS300 & EDP From: kenn lowy To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com since i already have a digitech FS300 - how can i put it to use with the EDP? The "A" button starts and stops recording, but i'd want the other two switches to "overdub" and "mute". i seem to recall that adding a capacitor will do this. since this is not something i've done in about 15 years, i could used a clue or two. thanks, klowy nyc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 17:08:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21192; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:06:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:06:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c0921b$268cae20$3281e3a5@poo> From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" To: References: <200102082109.QAA18729@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Ring Mod Guitar Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:04:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The extremely cheap and very quirky but cool, ZOOM 1201 has a ring modulator and a working vocoder in it for only $149. If they still make them. Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 17:10:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21325; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:08:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:08:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 14:07:13 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Transducers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA21219 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> zvonar@zvonar.com 02/08/01 12:01PM >>> > The guitarists on this list are undoubtedly familiar with Maniac Music's Sustainiac transducer systems. These could also have application to home-brew instruments as well as some of the percussion hacks we've been discussing. You bet! I've had Alan performing a couple mods on my installed system this week... can't wait to get it back again. Talk about withdrawal symptoms... It's hard to live without it on my other guitar. Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 17:12:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21563; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:10:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:10:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 14:08:59 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: ringmod guitar Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA21345 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's also the Korg AX1 floor pedal about the size of a Digitech Whammy that has a Ringmod patch worth the price of the pedal alone... it also does forward/reverse madness really quite well. My buddy Tim Sanz has one and gets great mileage out of it. -Miko >>> sine@zerocrossing.net 02/08/01 01:00PM >>> Hey, I tried this using one of the schematics from Criag Anderton's 100 electronic projects for musicians book, and was dissipointed with the results. It was very noisy by modern effect standards. I then found that the Korg AX30 had a great ring mod patch, and a really interesting "pressure pedal" expression pedal (not on a hinge, but like pressing a heavy spring) Anyway, it workes really well. Also, the Digitech Space Station has great ring mod effects that you can also control with it's built in expression pedal. Good luck. mathieu wrote: > hi list, not exactly looping issue but anyone knows how to build a > ring modulator in order to set it in my guitar(cheap Epiphone)?The aim > is to controll the ringmod while playing.think of pulling the dead > hi-tone mike off...thanx :: m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 17:17:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22117; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:15:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:15:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.172] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: OT: FilterFactory and ring mod options Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 15:14:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2001 22:14:12.0033 (UTC) FILETIME=[770B1B10:01C0921C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since there has been some buzz on the list about filters and ring mods for guitar stuff lately, thought I would chime in with a suggestion... If you haven't already, you should check out the MoogerFooger line of stomp boxes from Bob Moog's Big Briar company. Man, I tried out one of his MF-101 Low Pass Filters on a bass and it was "phat," I really liked it. There are some sound clips of both the MF-101 and the MF-102 Ring Modulator on their website at: http://www.bigbriar.com and I really suggest that anyone interested in seriously tweaked out sounds check'em out. They're a bit pricey for stomp boxes but they seem to be worth it. This is in no way a slam on the FilterFactory, which I think is a great unit, simply listing some options for interested folk. -skully _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 17:26:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22282; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:21:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:21:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.172] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Transducers Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 15:20:12 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2001 22:20:12.0977 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E2ECA10:01C0921D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey thanks for reminding me about something that I've been meaning to ask the list. How do the Sustainiac and the Fernandes Sustainer compare? Anyone got an opinion? Is the big difference that the Sustainiac is a kit and you have to get the Fernandes on one of their guitars or do they also have a kit. I'm intrigued by the concept, but not sure which way to go. -skully >From: Richard Zvonar >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Transducers >Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 11:00:20 -0800 > >The guitarists on this list are undoubtedly familiar with Maniac >Music's Sustainiac transducer systems. These could also have >application to home-brew instruments as well as some of the >percussion hacks we've been discussing. > > >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com >(818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com >(818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com > > http://www.zvonar.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 17:38:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22920; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:37:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:37:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010208223639.69620.qmail@web10412.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:36:39 -0800 (PST) From: Leila Starwich Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I WOULD LIKE TO BE TAKEN OFF OF YOUR LIST. THANK YOU __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 18:01:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24073; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:59:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:59:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A832493.39D9DE07@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 14:58:27 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: OT (was flexible amplification...) References: <200102082109.QAA18729@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are you referring to the THD Univalve head? Check it: http://www.thdelectronics.com/ or: http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM01/Content/THD/HotPick/UniValve.html -Hans > dang me and my lousy memory! (sorta on this thread) > > in the latest issue of tape op, in the reviews section is a short > piece by larry crane about a really great looking 8-watt > tube amp called babytube (or somethin'). msrp of around $600US, but > also comes available with a 10-tube assortment pack for > swapping out different colors...has a simple (2-knob) interactive tone > & gain control. the amp is advertised elsewhere in the > mag, and looks *amazing*; exposed transformer/tubes a la ampeg b12. if > anyone has seen (or heard) this amp and has more info, > please post. i want one! > > lance g. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 18:03:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24160; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:01:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:01:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 14:56:52 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Transducers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA24132 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Fernandez system was originally liscenced from Alan, if I have the details correct. (Please correct me if I'm wrong... someone... Alan?) Not sure if they've somehow departed with his design in any large way, but Maniac Music / Alan Hoover make up-to-date, right now sustainer designs which work quite well. Adrian Belew's guitar was featured in the Jan? Guitar Player mag and has one in it... They're awesome! -Miko >>> skullyshakespeare@hotmail.com 02/08/01 02:20PM >>> Hey thanks for reminding me about something that I've been meaning to ask the list. How do the Sustainiac and the Fernandes Sustainer compare? Anyone got an opinion? Is the big difference that the Sustainiac is a kit and you have to get the Fernandes on one of their guitars or do they also have a kit. I'm intrigued by the concept, but not sure which way to go. -skully >From: Richard Zvonar >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Transducers >Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 11:00:20 -0800 > >The guitarists on this list are undoubtedly familiar with Maniac >Music's Sustainiac transducer systems. These could also have >application to home-brew instruments as well as some of the >percussion hacks we've been discussing. > > >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com >(818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com >(818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com > > http://www.zvonar.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 18:03:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24159; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:01:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:01:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c09223$0691c120$b483abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: Cc: "Alessandro Camanini" References: Subject: R: Repeater controller Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 00:01:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think this could be a cheap, clever and deep footcontroller for the upcoming repeaters. Check it on www.ees-musik.de But maybe I'm wrong, who knows.... ... until the famous before born comes to light.... Luca EES MFS3 - Programmable Click for colorphoto (approx. 73kB) Universal Usable Tripple MIDI-Footswitch Acts as pushbutton or switch MIDI message by pressing and/or releasing the switch Up to 4 MIDI messages per switch Up to 10 byte for each MIDI message, e.g. Bank Select with Programchange Special functions: Program up / down, Autorepeat, Programchange range, Reset Programmable by Learnmode or SxsEx data Memory backup by SysEx dump Wide basing switches with bright target field MIDI In ( Softthru ) Battery life 1-2 years (alkaline) Equipped with 3 AA alkaline-cells Check also their SetCon. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 18:04:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24473; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:03:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:03:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c09221$bbd8d660$040d1a3f@oemcomputer> From: "become_1" To: References: <7f.fea87d4.27b43fc0@aol.com> Subject: Re: Midi Control + JamMan + straight into overdub Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:50:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2001 23:01:49.0988 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E846E40:01C09223] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, this is sad news, i was just about to plunk down cash for the yamaha mfc10.... Seems like there ought to be a web resource comparing midi controllers, given their ubiquity, but i haven't found one--so: Since the pmc10 isn't being produced, does anyone have any knowledge of the time lags involved with the Roland fc200 and ART x15 units? or the RFX midiwizard (which doesn't have a built-in expression pedal, but features 8 inputs for pedals)? thanks become From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 18:11:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25185; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:09:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:09:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008901c09223$f75aaf40$b483abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: References: Subject: R: Transducers Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 00:07:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I found Fernandes Sustainer pretty weak compared to the original one. They are working well just with overdriven sounds, they seem to be made just to help rocker have feedback at low volumes. With clean sounds they have a sloooowww attack and a low output volume. The differnce between pick up's/sustainer sound was so high that I had to sell my Dragonfly. This is just my opinion, those famous 2 cents (that are more than 2 liras... far more) Luca ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Underwood To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 11:20 PM Subject: Re: Transducers > Hey thanks for reminding me about something that I've been meaning to ask > the list. How do the Sustainiac and the Fernandes Sustainer compare? Anyone > got an opinion? Is the big difference that the Sustainiac is a kit and you > have to get the Fernandes on one of their guitars or do they also have a > kit. I'm intrigued by the concept, but not sure which way to go. > > -skully > > > >From: Richard Zvonar > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Transducers > >Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 11:00:20 -0800 > > > >The guitarists on this list are undoubtedly familiar with Maniac > >Music's Sustainiac transducer systems. These could also have > >application to home-brew instruments as well as some of the > >percussion hacks we've been discussing. > > > > > >-- > > > >______________________________________________________________ > >Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com > >(818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com > >(818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com > > > > http://www.zvonar.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 18:13:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25317; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:12:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:12:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009301c09224$733c8d40$b483abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: References: <7f.fea87d4.27b43fc0@aol.com> <001601c09221$bbd8d660$040d1a3f@oemcomputer> Subject: R: Midi Control + JamMan + straight into overdub Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 00:11:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > RFX midiwizard (which doesn't have a > built-in expression pedal, but features 8 inputs for pedals)? This is what I choose after a long research. It's a good solution if you don't need note on/off and control change. Just Program change and Continous controllers Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 18:26:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26095; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:25:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:25:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:23:50 EST Subject: Re: OT: Splattercell, waddah baahgan! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com bienappraisers@mindspring.com writes: >Got my 2 splattercell cds- except they were both copies of Remixes- OAH >is being sent- good sounds- will be interesting to see what the original >tracks sound like compared to the remixes- I had to mention these as they >are like both less than 5 or 6 bucks each- www.75ark.com no, OAH is almost *surely* not 5 or 6 bucks, methinks. >DT- I was wondering how they/you got the track stuttering, drums and general >nastiness on "Romance Refined" - any insights appreciated me: no *they* was involved: twas my remix, w/Tim Bowness' vocal. haven't listened to that track inna while. will check it out, & letya know. best, dt / SPLaTTeRGeeK From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 18:51:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26751; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:47:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:47:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006b01c09229$de305dc0$bc65353f@w0y7i0> From: "Busyditch" To: Cc: "loopers delight" Subject: Re: ringmod guitar Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:50:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01C091FF.F38D8500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C091FF.F38D8500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check out Craig Anderton's book "Elcetronic Projects" There are plans = for a simple ring mod in there. Try Amazon.com., they should have it.=20 -----Original Message----- From: mathieu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com = Date: Thursday, February 08, 2001 11:35 AM Subject: ringmod guitar =20 =20 hi list, =20 not exactly looping issue but anyone knows how to build a ring = modulator in order to set it in my guitar(cheap Epiphone)? The aim is to controll the ringmod while playing. think of pulling the dead hi-tone mike off... thanx =20 :: m ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C091FF.F38D8500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Check out Craig Anderton's book = "Elcetronic=20 Projects" There are plans for a simple ring mod in there. Try = Amazon.com.,=20 they should have it.
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 mathieu <moyan@wanadoo.fr>
To: = Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20 <Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com>
Date:=20 Thursday, February 08, 2001 11:35 AM
Subject: ringmod=20 guitar

hi list,
 
not exactly looping issue but anyone knows how to build a ring=20 modulator in order to set it in my guitar(cheap Epiphone)?
The aim is to controll the ringmod while playing.
think of pulling the dead hi-tone mike off...
thanx
 
:: m
------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C091FF.F38D8500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 19:03:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27340; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:58:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:58:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:59:59 -0800 Subject: Re: Transducers and Sustainiac Message-ID: <20010208.155959.216.4.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tony Moore Resent-Message-ID: <9lMM7.A.0qG.rJzg6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anyone have any contact info for maniac? thanks! tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 19:03:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27026; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:52:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:52:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.189.148.4] From: "K. Michael Odnaloc" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Transducers and Sustainiac Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 15:50:01 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2001 23:50:01.0137 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9C6C210:01C09229] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Seeing as I just went through this whole process myself a few months ago, I think I can give you a pretty good opinion. I tried out a Fernandes model first and was pretty underwhelmed with the performance of the sustain. It seemed too tame for my tastes and you also have to be aware of which version you buy as not all guitars come with the same circuit (some only give you fundamental and harmonic feedback while some give you those plus a mix mode). I returned my Fernandes shortly after I tried it and ordered the Sustainiac system instead. IMO the Sustainiac is just a better system, it sounds MUCH better than the Fernandes. Its much more robust and the sustain was a lot stronger and more varied in its sound. The Fernandes may have been a touch better at doing the imitation E-bow thing, but the Sustainiac pickup is far wilder and more powerful (and can do a fair ebow as well). The sounds that I can get from this circuit are really fantastic, from screaming feedback to very (VERY) hypnotic drones. And on top of that, Alan Hoover has been really helpful. I installed the Sustainer myself and had some problems getting everything tweaked properly and he's been really fantastic in answering my questions and getting things working properly. In my opinion, it sounds MUCH better than the Fernandes model I tried. I highly recommend the Sustainiac and Maniac Music. Hope that helps Kevin PS According to Alan, Fernandes has their patents and he has his, they are NOT the same circuits. > >Hey thanks for reminding me about something that I've been meaning to ask >the list. How do the Sustainiac and the Fernandes Sustainer compare? Anyone >got an opinion? Is the big difference that the Sustainiac is a kit and you >have to get the Fernandes on one of their guitars or do they also have a >kit. I'm intrigued by the concept, but not sure which way to go. > >-skully _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 19:18:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29233; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 19:16:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 19:16:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010208191721.007c4360@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 19:17:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Transducers and Sustainiac In-Reply-To: <20010208.155959.216.4.tony-moore@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <4H5DOC.A.uHH.0azg6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.sustainiac.com/ or sustain@indy.net or (317)340-1161 The preceding message was brought to you by a 30 second Dogpile search... :-) At 03:59 PM 2/8/01 -0800, tony wrote: >anyone have any contact info for maniac? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 19:57:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30441; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 19:54:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 19:54:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <64.b16289c.27b49991@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 19:53:37 EST Subject: OT: Re: flexible amplification to loop el. guitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com manx172@hotmail.com writes: >We found a peice of gear called the "ampulator". It doesnt sound "just >like an amp" it does sound like an amp, to me! actually, it *is* an amp. i've been using one of these for years; in fact, most of the guitars on my recordings (and others, as well) are made using this box, in conjunction w/a rivera m100 'head'. (sounds great for a mono drumkit, too..... and vocals..... and bass..... and keys..... and drummachines...... and......) >Might be worth a shot! definitely. no doubt. truly. best, dt / SPLaTTeRSKaNK american press, re: SPLaTTeRCeLL ::: OAH "Destined for cult status, this should be the guitar record of choice for electronica admirers--- or the fave electronica album for guitar fans." BillBoard Magazine (usa) "..... a chillingly wonderful instrumental CD. Brilliant stuff." Keyboard Magazine (usa) "It's the kind of experience that had me shaking my head & saying, 'Holy shit, what was that?!'. Other flash guitarists can give you occasional transcendent licks, but on this (SPLaTTeRCeLL) CD, Torn gives you a 67-minute cosmic package". Alternative Press (usa) "Damn, this is one gorgeous mind-wrangle of a record!" Splendid SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn [Unable to display image] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 19:58:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30510; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 19:56:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 19:56:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 18:43:17 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: FS300 & EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <012201c09231$4b971820$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > since i already have a digitech FS300 - how can i put it to use with the > EDP? i did this (except i chose record, multiply, and undo and use the dedicated overdub jack for overdub) you just wire each button across a resistor to ground all in parrallel. the resister values for each function are listed here: http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html (as well as a clearer description of the connections) i like the positive feel of the buttons on the fs300 compared with the plastic buttons on the edp footpedal... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 21:13:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00632; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:10:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:10:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:09:45 EST Subject: Re: Transducers and Sustainiac To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One might also try HooverA@tce.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 21:26:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01154; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:23:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:23:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004a01c0923e$c0f233e0$0d28059a@hal> Reply-To: "Christian Leduc" From: "Christian Leduc" To: References: Subject: Re: Transducers and Sustainiac Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:19:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com About the sustainer, Yeah, Alan is a very very nice person.. and the sustainer is great... but I think it is much better with a Humbucker in the bridge position than a SC pickup.. I find the SC a little weak for sustainer operations... I was just thinking about that yesterday: Jennifer Batten (Jeff Beck's second guitarist) got a "String damper" on ther guitar to mute the strings when she does 2 hands tapping... It must be great with the Stealth, you don't have to always mute the strings with your 2 hands (can't be hard with some positions or notes)... ----- Original Message ----- From: "K. Michael Odnaloc" To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 6:50 PM Subject: Re: Transducers and Sustainiac > Seeing as I just went through this whole process myself a few months ago, I > think I can give you a pretty good opinion. > > I tried out a Fernandes model first and was pretty underwhelmed with the > performance of the sustain. It seemed too tame for my tastes and you also > have to be aware of which version you buy as not all guitars come with the > same circuit (some only give you fundamental and harmonic feedback while > some give you those plus a mix mode). I returned my Fernandes shortly after > I tried it and ordered the Sustainiac system instead. > > IMO the Sustainiac is just a better system, it sounds MUCH better than the > Fernandes. Its much more robust and the sustain was a lot stronger and more > varied in its sound. The Fernandes may have been a touch better at doing > the imitation E-bow thing, but the Sustainiac pickup is far wilder and more > powerful (and can do a fair ebow as well). The sounds that I can get from > this circuit are really fantastic, from screaming feedback to very (VERY) > hypnotic drones. > > And on top of that, Alan Hoover has been really helpful. I installed the > Sustainer myself and had some problems getting everything tweaked properly > and he's been really fantastic in answering my questions and getting things > working properly. > > In my opinion, it sounds MUCH better than the Fernandes model I tried. > > I highly recommend the Sustainiac and Maniac Music. > > Hope that helps > > Kevin > > PS According to Alan, Fernandes has their patents and he has his, they are > NOT the same circuits. > > > > > >Hey thanks for reminding me about something that I've been meaning to ask > >the list. How do the Sustainiac and the Fernandes Sustainer compare? Anyone > >got an opinion? Is the big difference that the Sustainiac is a kit and you > >have to get the Fernandes on one of their guitars or do they also have a > >kit. I'm intrigued by the concept, but not sure which way to go. > > > >-skully > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 22:14:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02730; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:11:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:11:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A835FE6.B68CD8B0@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 19:28:51 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT (was flexible amplification...) References: <200102082109.QAA18729@hemlock.violacea.com> <3A832493.39D9DE07@ernieball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hans Lindauer wrote: > Are you referring to the THD Univalve head? > > Check it: http://www.thdelectronics.com/ > or: > http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM01/Content/THD/HotPick/UniValve.html > > -Hans > > > dang me and my lousy memory! (sorta on this thread) > > > > in the latest issue of tape op, in the reviews section is a short > > piece by larry crane about a really great looking 8-watt > > tube amp called babytube (or somethin'). msrp of around $600US, but > > also comes available with a 10-tube assortment pack for > > swapping out different colors...has a simple (2-knob) interactive tone > > & gain control. the amp is advertised elsewhere in the > > mag, and looks *amazing*; exposed transformer/tubes a la ampeg b12. if > > anyone has seen (or heard) this amp and has more info, > > please post. i want one! > > > > lance g. > > hans, tho this looks like a similar idea, no, it's not the same. the amp i read about is actually made by a company i've never heard of (which means it must be awesome, right? :-) i'll check it out tonight when i get a chance to look at the article again & will report back... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 22:22:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03092; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:21:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:21:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c09246$f3a02a60$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "Brian Mulvey" To: Cc: "loopers delight" References: <006b01c09229$de305dc0$bc65353f@w0y7i0> Subject: Re: ringmod guitar Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:14:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C0921C.702B4F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C0921C.702B4F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You could always buy (or build) a pedal controlled ring mod.. the = Snarling Dogs one or the Digitech Space Station. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C0921C.702B4F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You could always buy (or build) a pedal = controlled ring=20 mod.. the Snarling Dogs one or the Digitech Space Station. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C0921C.702B4F40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 22:25:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03340; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:24:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:24:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "J. Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 19:23:49 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <20010208223639.69620.qmail@web10412.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I WOULD LIKE TO REMAIN SUBSCRIBED TO LOOPER'S DELIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WOULD NOT LIKE TO BE TAKEN OFF. Just so I made it clear to everyone. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ | -----Original Message----- | From: Leila Starwich [mailto:bubbagusher@yahoo.com] | Sent: Thursday 08 February 2001 2:37 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE | | | I WOULD LIKE TO BE TAKEN OFF OF YOUR LIST. | THANK YOU | | __________________________________________________ | Do You Yahoo!? | Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 | a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 23:27:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04886; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 23:24:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 23:24:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00dd01c0924f$f89d3d60$b682e3a5@poo> From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" To: References: <200102090226.VAA01257@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: Electrix filter factory Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 20:22:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <7aDl3.A.AMB.2C3g6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com skully wrote: If you haven't already, you should check out the MoogerFooger line of stomp boxes from Bob Moog's Big Briar company. Man, I tried out one of his MF-101 Low Pass Filters on a bass and it was "phat," I really liked it. There are some sound clips of both the MF-101 and the MF-102 Ring Modulator on their website at: http://www.bigbriar.com frohickey replies: One of the most stimulating and creative shows I have seen in ages featured the Chicago Underground Duo and Isotope 217 from Chicago at the Rio Theatre in Santa Cruz, California. The trumpeter (who's name eludes me and played in both of those groups) was using a couple of the MF-101 filters on both his trumpet and moog synthesizer. He made some of the coolest and most expressive wild sounds that I have heard anybody play in a long time. I wish they weren't so bleeding expensive but I was really impressed. I'm still an Electrix fanatic. I just wish the Repeaters would show their blessed pointed little heads. "My name is Rick W. I am a gear-aholic" "I admit that I am powerless or my lust for new gear" To which the whole of loopers delight is supposed to respond, "HI RICK!!!!!!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 8 23:41:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05483; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 23:40:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 23:40:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20010208223012.009ec720@mail.mindspring.com> X-Sender: mattu@mail.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 22:40:48 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matt U Subject: re: Electrix filter factory In-Reply-To: <00dd01c0924f$f89d3d60$b682e3a5@poo> References: <200102090226.VAA01257@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, favorites of mine. The cornet player's name is Rob Mazurek. He does indeed do some great things with sound. I recommend the Chicago Underground Duo record Synthesthesia in particular, but the C.U. Trio record Possible Cube is also a favorite of mine. While there's not an emphasis on looping per se, seeing the Trio (actually a quartet) live really got me thinking about the possibilities of looping. Jeff Parker, the guitarist who makes the Trio a quartet (also plays in Isotope); looped a riff, then contributed synth playing and more guitar. It's done in a group context, and one wouldn't necessarily realize there was looping without really paying attention. Emphasis on music, not method. Very cool indeed. So you saw the Big Briar pedals - did you happen to notice what Moog was being used? Matt At 08:22 PM 2/8/01 -0800, you wrote: >frohickey replies: >One of the most stimulating and creative shows I have seen in ages featured >the >Chicago Underground Duo and Isotope 217 from Chicago at the Rio Theatre in >Santa Cruz, California. > >The trumpeter (who's name eludes me and played in both of those groups) was >using a couple of the MF-101 filters on both his >trumpet and moog synthesizer. He made some of the coolest and most >expressive wild sounds that I have heard anybody play in a long time. I >wish they weren't so bleeding expensive but I was really impressed. I'm >still an Electrix fanatic. I just wish the Repeaters would show their >blessed pointed little heads. > >"My name is Rick W. I am a gear-aholic" >"I admit that I am powerless or my lust for new gear" > >To which the whole of loopers delight is supposed to respond, >"HI RICK!!!!!!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 02:46:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA09900; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 02:43:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 02:43:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c0926b$c4516b00$d12740d4@sub> From: "Lownotes" To: References: <200102061817.NAA22798@hemlock.violacea.com> <00e201c090d6$4317acc0$0d89e3a5@poo> <00ac01c0914d$28d486e0$7287abd4@a6d4z2> Subject: Re: european loopers Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 08:41:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Luca I'm a basclarinetplayer from Holland . I play in a improvisational group making all sounds possible. We have three looping divices, 2 Jammans and a DL4 so loops allover the place. I'm looking forward to get the Repeater and maybe the midipedal you suggest in another Email-"EES MFS3 - 3 fach MIDI Fußtaster programmierbar", which looks very versatile. Henk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luca" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 10:29 PM Subject: european loopers > Hi all, > I would like to check how many of us are from Europe. > the sense of my enquiry is just to have a list of us who are living in our > continent for possible concerts in the future. > I would like not to overload Looper's Delight' s list, so please reply me > off-list. > Please indicate: > > Country > If you are a band or a single player > Instrument played > > Thanks > > If anybody will be interested in having the result of this enquiry, I will > be happy to send it to him/her. > > all the best > luca > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 04:04:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11845; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 04:03:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 04:03:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010209061530.1399.qmail@web5101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:15:30 -0800 (PST) From: Alx Subject: Re: Ring Mod Guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004101c0921b$268cae20$3281e3a5@poo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I sending this email again ´cause after 7 hrs after sending it I didn´t receive it back at my inbox so I think there was a problem, anyways, about the ring modulator, if you´re planning on building it by yourself check out: http://www.geofex.com/ and http://venus.aros.net/~tboy/ampage/ they´re both great pages with schematics and info on how to build your own effects, if you want to buy a ring modulator then without any doubt buy the Lovetone "Ring Stinger" it´s an amazing sounding pedal with lots of options for real time control, check it out at http://www.lovetone.com/ it´s kind of expensive but it´s worth the money, I own one and it´s really great as well as all the other Lovetone pedals, I´ve also read that the moogerfooger pedal is great but I haven´t tried it yet. Alx. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 04:24:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA12282; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 04:21:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 04:21:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c0927a$45e254a0$d4926fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <200102061817.NAA22798@hemlock.violacea.com> <00e201c090d6$4317acc0$0d89e3a5@poo> <00ac01c0914d$28d486e0$7287abd4@a6d4z2> Subject: Re: european loopers Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:15:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm living in Wales, (UK) and I loop with a modified guitar/ African drums etc through Kyma. My stuff is very ethnic sounding. Please let me know if you're organizing any gigs or if you're interested in gigging here. Cheers, Gareth > I would like to check how many of us are from Europe. > the sense of my enquiry is just to have a list of us who are living in our > continent for possible concerts in the future. > I would like not to overload Looper's Delight' s list, so please reply me > off-list. > Please indicate: > > Country > If you are a band or a single player > Instrument played > > Thanks > > If anybody will be interested in having the result of this enquiry, I will > be happy to send it to him/her. > > all the best > luca > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 05:04:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13235; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 05:02:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 05:02:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: San Francisco experimental improv show! Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 02:00:59 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2001 10:00:59.0990 (UTC) FILETIME=[3427CF60:01C0927F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey everyone, I'll be taking part in a free-improv show between sampling and electronic musicians. None of us have played together before, so it will be a big challenge! Hope to see some LD'ers there! Matt Davignon Thursday, Feb 22 2001 8:00 PM Luggage Store Gallery 1007 Market Street (at 6th) Upstairs (2nd Floor) San Francisco CA Detritus.net presents an Electro-Improv Jamboree: A gaggle of musical geeks with sound-making circuitry will spend the evening combining and recombining into various free-improv duets, trios, and even larger groups. Thrill to the sight/sound of just-in-time collaboration! Artists will include: Wobbly(electronics/sampler) Matt Davignon (turntable + CD) Steev Hise (custom linux software) Matt Ingalls (electronics, custom BeOS software) Ryan Francesconi (custom Macintosh software) Evolution Control Committee (Thimbletron) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 05:12:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13537; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 05:10:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 05:10:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010209011003.2228.qmail@web5104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:10:03 -0800 (PST) From: Alx Subject: Re: ringmod guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00af01c091eb$e2239a20$82868aa4@ftiprhab64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you want to build it by yourself check out: http://www.geofex.com/ and: http://venus.aros.net/~tboy/ampage/ , they´re both great sites for schematics and explanations on how to build your own effects, if however, you want to buy one (a ring mod) then without any doubt buy the Lovetone "Ring Stinger", it´s a bit pricey but it´s an excellent sounding pedal with lots of options for controlling it in real time, check it out at: http://www.lovetone.com/ , I own one and it´s amazing as well as all the other Lovetone pedals, I haven´t heard the Moogerfooger but I´ve read that it´s also a great pedal. Alx --- mathieu wrote: > hi list, > > not exactly looping issue but anyone knows how to > build a ring modulator in order to set it in my > guitar(cheap Epiphone)? > The aim is to controll the ringmod while playing. > think of pulling the dead hi-tone mike off... > thanx > > :: m > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 05:53:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA14197; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 05:52:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 05:52:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <4a.1140461c.27b52589@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 05:50:49 EST Subject: Re: Ring Mod Guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The extremely cheap and very quirky but cool, ZOOM 1201 has a ring modulator > and a working vocoder in it for only $149. If they still make them. Yes, excellent boxforthemoney. Excellent autofilter section and 3s of nice clean delay. (2x1.5s). Also the worst reverbs you ever heard. Well I made the Craig Anderton ring mod many years ago. Used too much current to use with batteries. Just one chip with a few components. The carrier signal was a square wave, I reckon a sine wave would be better (more ring less fuzz). The frequency of the carrier would change with a loud input volume (nice) You had to turn a control to cancel out the carrier signal at the output (or use it as a drone effect). If you changed the carrier frequency the carrier would break through again, so you had to null it out again. Best budget ringmod IMHO is the Behringer Modulizer, ( though this still has a square wave carrier, and the original signal seems to break through a bit) Midi controllable, Envelope or LFO control of carrier freq. (or random frequencies), and even a low pass filter . Andy Butler. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 05:53:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA14194; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 05:51:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 05:51:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <3a.109e8c86.27b5258a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 05:50:50 EST Subject: Re: flexible amplification to loop el. guitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I typed "amblification" first, maybe thats what I am heading for? :-) "ramblification" ??? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 06:01:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA15038; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 05:59:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 05:59:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7B2A679CC5E3D411A3E200D0B782E248018B49@TAP3> From: Jules Aitken To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Roland Handsonic internal sequencer Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:56:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try as I might I can't work out how to remove an individual drum sound from the pattern sequencer. Even on my old R5 drum machine there's a pad you can hold to remove unwanted or out-of-time hits. Can anyone help on this? J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 06:02:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15150; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 06:01:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 06:01:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c09287$72d9f1e0$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: OT: Splattercell, waddah baahgan! Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 03:00:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yor are right- but the remixes cd was less than $4 - so it felt sooper cheep- digging the sounds- c ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 3:23 PM Subject: Re: OT: Splattercell, waddah baahgan! > bienappraisers@mindspring.com writes: > >Got my 2 splattercell cds- except they were both copies of Remixes- OAH > >is being sent- good sounds- will be interesting to see what the original > >tracks sound like compared to the remixes- I had to mention these as they > >are like both less than 5 or 6 bucks each- www.75ark.com > no, OAH is almost *surely* not 5 or 6 bucks, methinks. > > >DT- I was wondering how they/you got the track stuttering, drums and general > >nastiness on "Romance Refined" - any insights appreciated > me: no *they* was involved: twas my remix, w/Tim Bowness' vocal. > haven't listened to that track inna while. > will check it out, & letya know. > best, > dt / SPLaTTeRGeeK > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 06:47:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15667; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 06:35:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 06:35:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A83D5E6.F15532E4@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 03:35:09 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Electrix filter factory References: <200102090226.VAA01257@hemlock.violacea.com> <00dd01c0924f$f89d3d60$b682e3a5@poo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" wrote: > skully wrote: > If you haven't already, you should check out the MoogerFooger line of stomp > boxes from Bob Moog's Big Briar company. Man, I tried out one of his MF-101 > Low Pass Filters on a bass and it was "phat," I really liked it. There are > some sound clips of both the MF-101 and the MF-102 Ring Modulator on their > website at: > > http://www.bigbriar.com > > frohickey replies: > One of the most stimulating and creative shows I have seen in ages featured > the > Chicago Underground Duo and Isotope 217 from Chicago at the Rio Theatre in > Santa Cruz, California. > > The trumpeter (who's name eludes me and played in both of those groups) was > using a couple of the MF-101 filters on both his > trumpet and moog synthesizer. He made some of the coolest and most > expressive wild sounds that I have heard anybody play in a long time. I > wish they weren't so bleeding expensive but I was really impressed. I'm > still an Electrix fanatic. I just wish the Repeaters would show their > blessed pointed little heads. > > "My name is Rick W. I am a gear-aholic" > "I admit that I am powerless or my lust for new gear" > > To which the whole of loopers delight is supposed to respond, > "HI RICK!!!!!!" hi rick!! i too share this disease. i lust after all of bob moog's designs. the MF-101 is worth every penny, as i'm sure are the others. lance g. ps thanks for sharing :-o From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 07:39:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16943; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 07:38:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 07:38:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Brian Hamlin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Transducers and Sustainiac Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:36:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone experimented with building their own? I guess the transducer has to be built from scratch as standard guitar P/Us are high impedance (see Alan Hoover's comments on Michael Brook's infinite guitar at http://www.fringedigital.com/brook/instrumentation/infinite.shtml ) But what about hexaphonic (or more!) versions of the same? Didn't the Roland GR500 have this? What about infinite tambura?? b This message is for the use of the named person only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. Abcaz Limited reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. Please note that it is your responsibility to scan any attachments for viruses. This communication is from Abcaz Limited, whose office is at 1000 Great West Road, Brentford, Middlesex, TW8 9HJ, England: telephone +44 (0)208 326 7000. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 10:31:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20988; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:28:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:28:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012b01c092ad$162820e0$cc2cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: loopers in Paris!! Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:29:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, is there anyone on the list in Paris, or near there? I'm playing a gig in Mende in France on April the 7th, and would love to line up a gig on the way on the 5th... if you can help, please e-mail me offlist... thanks Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com "Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight, You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight" - Bruce Cockburn March 2nd - David Friesen live in London, supported by me. gig at 8pm, jazz workshop at 2pm - see www.solobassnetwork.org.uk for more info. DON'T MISS IT! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 10:52:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21459; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:50:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:50:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Posted-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:50:06 GMT From: Thierry Pottier To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <981737405013595@caramail.com> X-Mailer: Caramail - www.caramail.com X-Originating-IP: [164.138.18.166] Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 16:50:05 GMT+1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_NextPart_Caramail_013595981737405_ID" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --=_NextPart_Caramail_013595981737405_ID Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ______________________________________________________ Bo=EEte aux lettres - Caramail - http://www.caramail.com --=_NextPart_Caramail_013595981737405_ID-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 11:54:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23203; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 11:47:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 11:47:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c092b7$71716060$9429059a@hal> Reply-To: "Christian Leduc" From: "Christian Leduc" To: References: Subject: Re: Transducers and Sustainiac (On vibraphone?!?!) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 11:43:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com About infinite tambura: I thought something similar (another instrument than guitar): Infinite vibraphone!!! But I don't have the money to make a prototype.. :) and it would take a damn powerful magnet to work... I thought of it when I heard Reich's Desert Music with the use of bowed vibraphones (incredible sound).. About the Hoover's comment, it is fun to see that my question made such a big and interesting answer... After, Chad (Ossman) put it on the web site.. It gave to us a better idea of what Brook did (historical and technological context).. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Hamlin" To: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 7:36 AM Subject: RE: Transducers and Sustainiac > Has anyone experimented with building their own? > I guess the transducer has to be built from scratch as standard guitar P/Us > are high impedance (see Alan Hoover's comments on Michael Brook's infinite > guitar at http://www.fringedigital.com/brook/instrumentation/infinite.shtml > ) > > But what about hexaphonic (or more!) versions of the same? Didn't the Roland > GR500 have this? > > What about infinite tambura?? > > b > > This message is for the use of the named person only. It may contain > confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No > confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If > you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all > copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the > sender. Abcaz Limited reserves the right to monitor all e-mail > communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are > those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise > and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such > entity. Please note that it is your responsibility to scan any attachments > for viruses. This communication is from Abcaz Limited, whose office is at > 1000 Great West Road, Brentford, Middlesex, TW8 9HJ, England: telephone +44 > (0)208 326 7000. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 12:47:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25035; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:44:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:44:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 09:42:46 -0800 From: "Tim Sanz" To: Subject: Re: ringmod guitar Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA24987 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> Mbiffle@svg.com 02/08 2:09 PM >>> There's also the Korg AX1 floor pedal---- That pedals number is actually the AX i g . But yeah your right Miko, it has an expression pedal ring mod and sounds pretty good. John McLaughlin's Cosmic Strut comes to mind... Theres also a short looper in there that I occasionally get freaky with too. Sometimes I'll use the AX i g in a small straight in combo thang but I primarily use it when "the power here in California" goes out cause it can be powered by 4 AA's ! I don't use it in my recording chain as its not clean enough for me there, but for my battery system: Guitar> Wa> coupla fuzz tones > AX i g > DL 4 looper> 4 ch. battery boss mixer> DT 250 headphones> or out to my car's aux in. it's Friday, time to go home yet? -Ts From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 13:07:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26396; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:04:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:04:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:01:47 -0500 To: "Art List" From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance and Participatory Dance 2.10.01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6-vimB.A.ebG.sDDh6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Folks, I'll be doing video improvisations as part of a Participatory Dance event tomorrow (Saturday) night. So come shake your butt and tickle your eyeballs:) I don't know the admission price, but I'm sure its not huge. Sat. Feb. 10th 8-11pm First Congregational Church 11 Garden St. Cambridge (Harvard Sq.) Live music the first 45min. Invocational dance performance/spoken word then D.J. the rest of the night black light instillation, art instillation A sacred space celebrating the transformational power of music, dance and art and the power of community. To dance then,is to pray, to meditate, to enter into communion with the larger dance, which is the universe. **Jean Houston -- "Once the search is in progress, something will be found" -- Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 14:12:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28683; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:08:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:08:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c092cb$7c0395c0$067d7d7d@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Video Performance and Participatory Dance 2.10.01 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 19:05:52 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have a great show! I'd come but I'm in London UK... :) Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery.html - Online Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" To: "Art List" Sent: 09 February 2001 18:01 PM Subject: Video Performance and Participatory Dance 2.10.01 > Hi Folks, > > I'll be doing video improvisations as part of a Participatory Dance > event tomorrow (Saturday) night. So come shake your butt and tickle > your eyeballs:) > > I don't know the admission price, but I'm sure its not huge. > > Sat. Feb. 10th 8-11pm > First Congregational Church > 11 Garden St. Cambridge (Harvard Sq.) > Live music the first 45min. > Invocational dance performance/spoken word > then D.J. the rest of the night > black light instillation, art instillation > A sacred space celebrating the transformational power of music, dance and art > and the power of community. > > To dance then,is to pray, to meditate, > to enter into communion > with the larger dance, which is the universe. **Jean Houston > -- > "Once the search is in progress, something will be found" > > -- Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt > > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 14:15:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28852; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:11:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:11:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 14:10:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Transducers and Sustainiac (On vibraphone?!?!) From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002c01c092b7$71716060$9429059a@hal> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Glenn Branca once used rotating discs (of leather, I believe) on strings (harpsichords?). Wonder if this would work on vibes? David Lee Myers pulsewidth.com ----------------------------------------------------- "Ourobouros" CD of new Feedback Music available now! Available at Downtown Music (NYC) and through Forced Exposure, Anomalous, Wayside, Electronic Music Foundation, Recommended, and Staalplaat. on 2/9/01 11:43 AM, Christian Leduc at chleduc@total.net wrote: > About infinite tambura: I thought something similar (another instrument than > guitar): Infinite vibraphone!!! But I don't have the money to make a > prototype.. :) and it would take a damn powerful magnet to work... I thought > of it when I heard Reich's Desert Music with the use of bowed vibraphones > (incredible sound).. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 15:02:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30579; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:59:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:59:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010209195858.12797.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 11:58:58 -0800 (PST) From: keith mckenney Subject: lo tech delays To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-574324810-981748738=:10538" Resent-Message-ID: <5azPd.A.WXH.CwEh6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-574324810-981748738=:10538 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm new to the site--forgive any repeatition on my part, please. I want to attempt to create a tape delay as used by eno/fripp & others before...any tips? I'll have access to 2 reel-to-reels, but don't want to take them apart. thanks --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? - Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - only $35 a year! --0-574324810-981748738=:10538 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

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I want to attempt to create a tape delay as used by eno/fripp & others before...any tips? I'll have access to 2 reel-to-reels, but don't want to take them apart. thanks


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Mail Personal Address - only $35 a year! --0-574324810-981748738=:10538-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 15:36:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31645; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:33:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:33:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: lo tech delays Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 15:32:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2001 20:32:05.0956 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E07B040:01C092D7] Resent-Message-ID: <_uaexD.A.LuH.jPFh6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a good friend who described how he did this with 2 reel to reel machines by placing them both on a level surface side by side. Then he would place coke bottles between the 2 machines, and thread the tape through the first machine, then in a zig-zag patern through the coke bottles and on through the second machine. Depending on how long of a loop he wanted, determined how many bottles he would use, and how far apart the machines would be. From the sounds of it, there's nothin' like it!! Hope this helps some. Good Luck! Pete. >From: keith mckenney >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: lo tech delays >Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 11:58:58 -0800 (PST) > > >I'm new to the site--forgive any repeatition on my part, please. > >I want to attempt to create a tape delay as used by eno/fripp & others >before...any tips? I'll have access to 2 reel-to-reels, but don't want to >take them apart. thanks > > > >--------------------------------- >Do You Yahoo!? >- Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - >only $35 a year! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 15:51:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32162; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:49:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:49:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.76.86.65] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Fernandes Sustainer comments Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 15:47:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2001 20:47:58.0643 (UTC) FILETIME=[95E03030:01C092D9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My Fernandes Sustainer fretless came with .009s and it seemed to me that the circuit would work better with thicker gauge strings. It takes longer to activate the high E than any of the other strings. In short, this type of stuff seems to work better with heavier gauge strings. Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 16:33:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01239; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:29:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:29:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 13:09:10 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: lo tech delays In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:32 PM -0500 2/9/01, Pete Mundt wrote: >I've got a good friend who described how he did this with 2 reel to >reel machines by placing them both on a level surface side by side. >Then he would place coke bottles between the 2 machines, and thread >the tape through the first machine, then in a zig-zag patern through >the coke bottles and on through the second machine. Depending on how >long of a loop he wanted, determined how many bottles he would use, >and how far apart the machines would be. Mic stands also work well as tape guides, though coke bottles are obviously cheaper! This dual-deck delay technique has a history dating back to the 1950s, and it was a favorite practice of Pauline Oliveros during her San Francisco Tape Center days in the '60s (she uses four PCM-42s now). In my Santa Cruz days we used to use a pair of 4-track decks, with each track routed to a separate speaker in a quad setup. I did one piece that used a particularly interesting hack involving re-threading of the tape part-way through the performance. Normally the tape runs between the capstan and pinch roller in such a way that the tape is drawn across the heads from left to right. If you re-thread the tape so that it runs around the other side of the capstan before it passes between capstan and pinch roller, the tape will then play backwards. Normal playback tension on the supply and takeup reels should keep the tape from fouling. It takes just a few seconds to do this, and the result is that whatever is on the tape will now play backwards. In my piece, which was about 30 minutes long, the dual-deck delay system functioned as a long quadraphonic delay for the first 2/3 of the piece. Then there was a brief pause while the tape was rethreaded, and the same time the tape speed was switched from 7.5 to 15 ips. For the final 10 minutes of the piece the tape played back in reverse at double speed. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 16:54:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01819; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:51:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:51:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A8465FC.3DA274B2@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 13:51:38 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT (was flexible amplification...) References: <200102082109.QAA18729@hemlock.violacea.com> <3A832493.39D9DE07@ernieball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hans Lindauer wrote: > Are you referring to the THD Univalve head? > > Check it: http://www.thdelectronics.com/ > or: > http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM01/Content/THD/HotPick/UniValve.html > > -Hans > > > dang me and my lousy memory! (sorta on this thread) > > > > in the latest issue of tape op, in the reviews section is a short > > piece by larry crane about a really great looking 8-watt > > tube amp called babytube (or somethin'). msrp of around $600US, but > > also comes available with a 10-tube assortment pack for > > swapping out different colors...has a simple (2-knob) interactive tone > > & gain control. the amp is advertised elsewhere in the > > mag, and looks *amazing*; exposed transformer/tubes a la ampeg b12. if > > anyone has seen (or heard) this amp and has more info, > > please post. i want one! > > > > lance g. > > ok it's called the "superbaby head" and is made by curt emery of emery sound. www.emerysound.com 8 watts class A: tube rectifier, 1 preamp tube, 1 power tube; 1/2 power mode, all hand-made. check the review in the jan/feb edition of tape op, or read it and other reviews on the website. lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 17:00:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02162; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:57:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:57:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Old-X-Envelope-To: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 16:02:17 -0600 Subject: Roland Handsonic question From: Tom Roady To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3064579337_1520302_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3064579337_1520302_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > From: Jules Aitken > Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:56:32 -0000 > To: > "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" > Subject: Roland Handsonic internal sequencer > > Try as I might I can't work out how to remove an individual drum sound from > the pattern sequencer. Even on my old R5 drum machine there's a pad you can > hold to remove unwanted or out-of-time hits. Can anyone help on this? > > J > Jules...there isn't an "erase as you go function" as such but you can copy any of the internal presets to user slots and then erase certain measures of that pattern and then Using the choice of quantize funtion enter your own sounds and pattern in that spot. You will get used to hitting the "write/copy" button alot and then cursoring to the erase or delete function you need. It is a littl bit of a pain in the ass but it is also IMHO a very creative instrument. I use it in almost all of my recording sessions here in Nashville. The "ROLL" button is way kool. You just have to learn how to control it. Hope this helps...tr --MS_Mac_OE_3064579337_1520302_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Roland Handsonic question > From: Jules Aitken <JulesAitken@tig= eraspect.co.uk>
> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:56:32 -0000
> To:
> "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'"<Loopers-Delig= ht@loopers-delight.com>
> Subject: Roland Handsonic internal sequencer
>
> Try as I might I can't work out how to remove an individual drum s= ound from
> the pattern sequencer.  Even on my old R5 drum machine there's a = pad you can
> hold to remove unwanted or out-of-time hits.  Can anyone help on = this?
>
> J
>
Jules...there isn't an "erase as you go function" as such but you= can copy any of the internal presets to user slots and then erase certain m= easures of that pattern and then Using the choice of quantize funtion enter = your own sounds and pattern in that spot.
You will get used to hitting the "write/copy" button alot and th= en cursoring to the erase or delete function you need. It is a littl bit of = a pain in the ass but it is also IMHO a very creative instrument. I use it i= n almost all of my recording sessions here in Nashville. The "ROLL"= ; button is way kool. You just have to learn how to control it. Hope this he= lps...tr
 --MS_Mac_OE_3064579337_1520302_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 17:16:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03048; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:13:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:13:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010209171427.007ce6c0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 17:14:27 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: lo tech delays In-Reply-To: <20010209195858.12797.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's an operational diagram for such a setup on the back of Eno's 'Discreet Music' LP. It doesn't require you to dissect either of the recorders. -t At 11:58 AM 2/9/01 -0800, you wrote: >I'm new to the site--forgive any repeatition on my part, please. & others >before...any tips? I'll have access to 2 reel-to-reels, but don't want to >take them apart. thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 17:20:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03321; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:18:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:18:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010209221751.16291.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:17:51 -0800 (PST) From: keith mckenney Subject: Re: lo tech delays To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010209171427.007ce6c0@pop.ici.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-214278265-981757071=:14954" Resent-Message-ID: <5J9QZB.A.mz.OyGh6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-214278265-981757071=:14954 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I had forgotten about the 'Discreet Music' schematic. Thanks for reminding me. Sadly though, I don't own a copy...do you know of an on-line version? thanks to Pete for the tip... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? - Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - only $35 a year! --0-214278265-981757071=:14954 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I had forgotten about the 'Discreet Music' schematic. Thanks for reminding me. Sadly though, I don't own a copy...do you know of an on-line version?

thanks to Pete for the tip...


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Mail Personal Address - only $35 a year! --0-214278265-981757071=:14954-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 17:21:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03371; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:19:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:19:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: BUNNI714@aol.com Message-ID: <66.c078d01.27b5c6c1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:18:41 EST Subject: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_66.c078d01.27b5c6c1_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: <5vjzfB.A.e0.gzGh6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_66.c078d01.27b5c6c1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit insubscribe --part1_66.c078d01.27b5c6c1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit insubscribe --part1_66.c078d01.27b5c6c1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 17:27:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03911; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:25:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:25:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:23:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: lo tech delays Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:09 PM -0800 2/9/01, Richard Zvonar wrote: >At 3:32 PM -0500 2/9/01, Pete Mundt wrote: >>I've got a good friend who described how he did this with 2 reel to >>reel machines by placing them both on a level surface side by side. >>Then he would place coke bottles between the 2 machines, and thread >>the tape through the first machine, then in a zig-zag patern >>through the coke bottles and on through the second machine. >>Depending on how long of a loop he wanted, determined how many >>bottles he would use, and how far apart the machines would be. > >Mic stands also work well as tape guides, though coke bottles are >obviously cheaper! > >This dual-deck delay technique has a history dating back to the >1950s, and it was a favorite practice of Pauline Oliveros during her >San Francisco Tape Center days in the '60s (she uses four PCM-42s >now). > A not uncommon problem with the cheap reel-to-reel decks I used to own for this purpose was slight differences in tape speed. As a result, the tape could get progressively tighter, knocking over the coke bottles or whatever, or looser, until it unthreaded itself. This was troublesome but on the other hand, it caused a slight pitch shift in the regeneration loop which can be interesting. My friend Bob Ostertag dealt with this issue in an amusing way: he used helium balloons as tape guides. The tape between the two decks ran through a loop tied in the string on a big balloon. The play deck ran slow, so the balloon gradually rose up into the air as more and more tape fell slack between the machines. -Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 17:27:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03912; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:25:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:25:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c092e7$37551f40$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: <66.c078d01.27b5c6c1@aol.com> Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:25:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C092A4.280CE740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C092A4.280CE740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok, I cant wait to see the responses.... c ----- Original Message -----=20 From: BUNNI714@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 2:18 PM Subject: unsubscribe insubscribe=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C092A4.280CE740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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insubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C092A4.280CE740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 17:30:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04051; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:27:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:27:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: BUNNI714@aol.com Message-ID: <28.10fddd0c.27b5c86d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:25:49 EST Subject: Re: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 117 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com how do i unsubscribe? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 17:48:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05045; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:45:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:45:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010209224440.25370.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:44:40 -0800 (PST) From: keith mckenney Subject: Re: lo tech delays To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1116914265-981758680=:24817" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1116914265-981758680=:24817 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii These are great ideas! Thanks to everyone. One of the reel-to-reels I plan to use doesn't play at a consistant speed, so I am looking forward to see what kind of kooky sounds it'll produce. I am also thinking of incorporating my cheap-o Ibanex digital delay pedal just to see what happens. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? - Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - only $35 a year! --0-1116914265-981758680=:24817 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

These are great ideas! Thanks to everyone.

One of the reel-to-reels I plan to use doesn't play at a consistant speed, so I am looking forward to see what kind of kooky sounds it'll produce. I am also thinking of incorporating my cheap-o Ibanex digital delay pedal just to see what happens.


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Mail Personal Address - only $35 a year! --0-1116914265-981758680=:24817-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 18:08:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06087; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 18:05:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 18:05:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A847765.C01EC1C7@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 15:04:05 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ring Mod Guitar References: <20010209061530.1399.qmail@web5101.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow, that Red Stinger looks GREAT! If I had not plunked down $400 on a GR-30 a month ago, I'd be signing up for one of these asap! Makes my Space Station look like a thatched hut in comparison. Mark Alx wrote: > Hi, I sending this email again ´cause after 7 hrs > after sending it I didn´t receive it back at my inbox > so I think there was a problem, anyways, about the > ring modulator, if you´re planning on building it by > yourself check out: http://www.geofex.com/ and > http://venus.aros.net/~tboy/ampage/ they´re both > great pages with schematics and info on how to build > your own effects, if you want to buy a ring modulator > then without any doubt buy the Lovetone "Ring Stinger" > it´s an amazing sounding pedal with lots of options > for real time control, check it out at > http://www.lovetone.com/ it´s kind of expensive but > it´s worth the money, I own one and it´s really great > as well as all the other Lovetone pedals, I´ve also > read that the moogerfooger pedal is great but I > haven´t tried it yet. > Alx. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 19:37:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08276; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 19:35:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 19:35:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010210003416.67378.qmail@web10114.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:34:16 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: Transducers and Sustainiac (On vibraphone?!?!) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002c01c092b7$71716060$9429059a@hal> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a friend who contacted Allan about making his musical saw sustain without having to bow it. As usual, Allan had some good questions and suggestions on how it would be designed. bret --- Christian Leduc wrote: > About infinite tambura: I thought something similar (another > instrument than > guitar): Infinite vibraphone!!! But I don't have the money to make a > prototype.. :) and it would take a damn powerful magnet to work... I > thought > of it when I heard Reich's Desert Music with the use of bowed > vibraphones > (incredible sound).. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 20:01:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09134; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 19:59:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 19:59:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 15:40:06 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: lo tech delays In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:23 PM -0800 2/9/01, Alex Stahl wrote: >A not uncommon problem with the cheap reel-to-reel decks I used to >own for this purpose was slight differences in tape speed. As a >result, the tape could get progressively tighter, knocking over the >coke bottles or whatever, or looser, until it unthreaded itself. >This was troublesome but on the other hand, it caused a slight pitch >shift in the regeneration loop which can be interesting. Part of the "art" of the practice was knowing what >My friend Bob Ostertag dealt with this issue in an amusing way: he >used helium balloons as tape guides. The tape between the two decks >ran through a loop tied in the string on a big balloon. The play >deck ran slow, so the balloon gradually rose up into the air as more >and more tape fell slack between the machines. Brilliant! This reminds me in turn of a conceptual/performance tape piece by one of my students at UCSD. The piece was an expression of some jilted-lover hostility and I believe the tape part contained the voice of his ex. The single tape deck was elevated several feet above a table. There was no takeup reel, and the tape spilled down onto the table where a two or three people performed a variety of destructive acts on it (painting, scratching, and finally cutting). At the end of the table the ravaged bits of tape spilled into a trash bit. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 21:06:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10827; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 21:05:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 21:05:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.163.200.30] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: lo tech delays Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 21:04:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2001 02:04:06.0357 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF83A850:01C09305] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank Tim Nelson!! >From: keith mckenney >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: lo tech delays >Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:17:51 -0800 (PST) > > >I had forgotten about the 'Discreet Music' schematic. Thanks for reminding >me. Sadly though, I don't own a copy...do you know of an on-line version? > >thanks to Pete for the tip... > > > >--------------------------------- >Do You Yahoo!? >- Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - >only $35 a year! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 21:26:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11343; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 21:24:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 21:24:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 18:23:29 -0800 Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle]: Tiktok @ Black Lab Gallery 2/10/01 7PM From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tiktok will be performed for the first time this millennium, Saturday night (February 10th) at the Black Lab Gallery (5208 Ballard Avenue NW) starting at 7PM. Admission is free, and there will be a plethora of art to behold. Black Lab Gallery website: http://www.blacklabgallery.com/ Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Tiktok -- Tiktok, Seattle's premier one-man improvisational band. homepage: http://home.sprintmail.com/~tiktok/index.html www.mp3.com/tiktok From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 22:07:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12736; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 22:05:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 22:05:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 03:08:04 +0000 Subject: Re: Fernandes Sustainer comments From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <70mAHC.A.0GD.i_Kh6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Same here, my Fernandes came with 9's and was fine, I changed to 10's (my usual gauge) and actually didn't like the tension and was going to change back until I noticed the improved response to the sustainer pickup. Martin Shellard > From: "Paolo Valladolid" > > My Fernandes Sustainer fretless came with .009s and it seemed to me that the > circuit would work better with thicker gauge strings. It takes longer to > activate the high E than any of the other strings. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 9 23:02:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14185; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 23:01:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 23:01:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c09315$a945e3e0$6b28059a@hal> Reply-To: "Christian Leduc" From: "Christian Leduc" To: References: Subject: Re: Fernandes Sustainer comments Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 22:57:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use 11's with my strat (with Sustainiac).. well, I didn't try it with 9's.. but with 11's, it sounds great.. I like heavier gauges, but I don't think my neck would respond well to 12's or 13's.. :) best, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Shellard" To: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 10:08 PM Subject: Re: Fernandes Sustainer comments > Same here, my Fernandes came with 9's and was fine, I changed to 10's (my > usual gauge) and actually didn't like the tension and was going to change > back until I noticed the improved response to the sustainer pickup. > > Martin Shellard > > > > From: "Paolo Valladolid" > > > > > My Fernandes Sustainer fretless came with .009s and it seemed to me that the > > circuit would work better with thicker gauge strings. It takes longer to > > activate the high E than any of the other strings. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 10 04:38:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21965; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 04:35:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 04:35:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016601c09344$74528c40$a98ae3a5@poo> From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" To: References: <200102091747.MAA25118@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re:Electrix Filter Factory Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 01:32:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matt wrote: "So you saw the Big Briar pedals - did you happen to notice what Moog was being used?" Unfortunately, I was not familiar with the pedals at the time so did not know which pedals he was using (I guess there are three of the MoogerFooger pedals that all look very similar, being housed in the same styled box). >From the sound of things It sounded like he was using some kind of analogue filters and then filtered the filters, so I would surmise that he owned two Lo Pass Filters, although it could have been a Lo Pass and a Ring Modulator. Does anybody on this chain know Rob Mazurek personally? I'd love to know what his kit list is. I was feeling a little shy that evening (it does happen occassionally ;-) so I didn't walk up onto the stage. The guitarist,Jeff Parker, you mentioned was also very hip in his processing and seemed to have a similar pedal. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 10 11:56:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29709; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:53:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:53:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010208074449.01e3aea8@mail.redmoon-music.com> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010206083715.01dfe438@mail.redmoon-music.com> <5.0.2.1.2.20010206083715.01dfe438@mail.redmoon-music.com> <5.0.2.1.2.20010208074449.01e3aea8@mail.redmoon-music.com> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 15:01:09 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: repeater question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, fine, thats it, thank you Mark! > >>>Simeon Harris (03:26 AM 02.06.2001) wrote: >>> >>>>Concerning recording ambient textures - I'd like to know whether you can >>>>drop immediately into overdub when creating a new loop and setting the >>>>loop >>>>boundary, so that any delay or reverb tails will be captured at the >>>>beginning of the loop as it cycles round again. >>> >>>If you're heading for overdub mode, then that means that the loop >>>length has already been set (you must be overdubbing over something). >>>So, for Repeater, the answer is "yes, you can drop into overdub mode >>>with just a single button press". >> >>are you sure you got the question right, Mark? >>Isnt it the Record button that is used for Overdubbing? So how can you >>end recording and start Overdubbing at the same time? >>Wich combination of buttons is that? > >We may be reading Simeon's question different. > >I wasn't seeing him ask about stopping record and starting overdub >in one button press. I read him as asking if you can hit one button >and start overdub on top of a loop that is already running. If >that's what he means, then it's a press of the record button that >will make it happen if the unit is in OVERDUB (versus REPLACE) mode. > >But, you _can_ run into overdub mode on the fly as you're thinking. >Given that you're starting with all tracks empty, then set Repeater >for OVERDUB mode and record your loop. When you hit the RECORD >button, you will set the end point of the loop as well as leave the >unit in RECORD mode. Since you're actually in OVERDUB, you're all >set. > >As well, I think that if you're in REPLACE mode when recording the >original loop, then hitting the RECORD button will set the end point >_and_ switch to OVERDUB mode. If you wanted to stay in REPLACE mode, >then you would hit PLAY to set the end point. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 10 11:56:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29702; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:53:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:53:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 15:01:07 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: flexible amplification to loop el. guitars Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > or... plug yer favorite old amp's speaker output into the Groove >Tubes SEII then to all yer favorite toys then to the console. I >don't know how well this baby works but I know you can get em. I use >and love an Allan Holdsworth Harness which is similar to the GT SEII >... These allows you to use vintage tube amps direct through signal >processors/ loopers to capture your favorite tube amps tone in the >beginning of your chain...... or.... anyone? cheers TS yes, thats the point, the amp sound needs to sit before the loop, so the loop mix does not get "amped" and you can switch the thing off to send different sounds to the loop. > >I personally use a GT-5 with speaker simulation, but when I WAS >using an amp, I found the HK Red Box to be a good sounding, cheap, >small and simple solution. You can either take the preamp out, or >put it between the power amp speaker output and the speaker. The new >ones don't use batteries either... Then there's the good old Sans >Amp Classic and GT2. > >-Miko hmm... if you imitate the nonlinearities of an amp between the power amp speaker output and the speaker instead of using the amp you still get the same problem... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 10 11:56:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29699; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:53:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:53:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <012201c09231$4b971820$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <012201c09231$4b971820$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 15:01:04 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: FS300 & EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > since i already have a digitech FS300 - how can i put it to use with the >> EDP? > >i did this >(except i chose record, multiply, and undo >and use the dedicated overdub jack for overdub) Thats clever, Jim, congratulations! > >you just wire each button across a resistor to ground >all in parrallel. the resister values for each function are >listed here: > http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html > >(as well as a clearer description of the connections) > >i like the positive feel of the buttons on the fs300 >compared with the plastic buttons on the edp footpedal... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 10 13:47:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32757; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:45:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:45:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A858C11.30492BE2@virtulink.com> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:44:33 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: to those of you with mp3.com sites References: <3A7EDF84.1638B981@magi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dave wrote: > > Greetings All: > > I would like to put together a station on mp3.com, of loopy music. > Could those of you who are interested post your site addresses. I'd > like to check out whats out there. http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 10 14:46:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04899; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 14:44:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 14:44:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c09399$729635a0$bdaa5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #203 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 14:40:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #203 February 8, 2001. On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Kubusschnitt, a band whose four members are each from a different European country. The feature CD at Midnight was from the 6 CD-R multi-band collection "Live at Jodrell Bank" on the Neu Harmony label. Kubusschnitt http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#feb ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm wEirD 9VFE10M A Different Kind of Normal (Neu Harmony) Tony Stoufer Politician's Love Song One Swell Foop (Absolute Obscurity) RMI Part 6, Part 7 The God of Electricity (Centaur) ARTTEK Rosie I Three Sides of Nine (none) Something Completely Sayer 2 Promotion Disc 1 (none) Different Tim Story Map of the Warm Night Shadowplay (Hearts of Space) Saul Stokes Track 2 Edge of the Forest (none) Steve Jolliffe Track 4 Zanzi (Horizon Music) Steve Jolliffe Track 5 * Zanzi (Horizon Music) 12:00 am Kubusschnitt Into the Atom Jodrell Bank (Neu Harmony) Kubusschnitt A Picture for a Pound Jodrell Bank (Neu Harmony) Kubusschnitt Trout of Handanger Jodrell Bank (Neu Harmony) Kubusschnitt Airborne Jodrell Bank (Neu Harmony) Kubusschnitt Red Lion Jodrell Bank (Neu Harmony) Kubusschnitt Green Force * Jodrell Bank (Neu Harmony) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Kubusschnitt, a pan- European band of people from Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, and the UK. Next week's feature CD at midnight will be "The Cube" on the Neu Harmony label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 10 14:50:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05042; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 14:48:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 14:48:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A859C57.B457E20A@california.com> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:53:59 -0800 From: Kusum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: simultaneous, multiple-length loops References: <200102100101.UAA09254@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com de-lurk: my name is yasi >>be able to A) record separate loops, *each of a different length*, and B) >>then be able to *play them back simultaneously* and adjust the mix, etc. >>From my cursory reading it appears that machines exist which can do >>either A or B but not both. Any suggestions? the lexicon vortex can do two independant loops of different length simultaneously. the ratio of loops lengths will be N/M where N and M are whole numbers between 1 and 64. the loops can not exceed 1 second each. I think you can have seperate outs for each loop the other idea I had was to use the repeater's slip function to fake it. record two tracks. slip one forward by a constant number of ms each time it repeats. if this works out how I imagine you'd get something simlar to 2 loops, with lengths differing by however much you slipped the slippery track forward by on each cycle. But I bet it'd be silent while slipping, so it'd work better for sparse pointilistic stuff. or with a small slip. I imagine you could do this with all the tracks simultaneously with various constant or not midi specified anybody know if this'd work? Damon Langlois? re-lurk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 10 14:59:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05546; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 14:58:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 14:58:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A859EC9.7BAAB574@california.com> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 12:04:25 -0800 From: Kusum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT?: vortex patch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com de-lurk: my name is yasi get vortex and tap the fastest tap you can. 15 bleen b mix 64 out 64 mod lvl 64 echo lvl 16 morph -- env 01 echo1 47 echo2 55 feed1 31 feed2 39 rate1 11 depth1 43 res1 01 rate2 49 (P) depth2 44 res2 01 the LFOs pediodically bring the feedback above 100 percent, generating tones whose pitch is controlled by echo1 and echo2. signals passed through the vortex also shift the pulsing pitches. hope you like it; suggestions welcome. re-lurk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 10 16:47:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08530; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:45:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:45:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A85B63C.5A7F3E0C@virtulink.com> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:44:28 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fernandes Sustainer comments References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paolo Valladolid wrote: > > My Fernandes Sustainer fretless came with .009s and it seemed to me that the > circuit would work better with thicker gauge strings. It takes longer to > activate the high E than any of the other strings. > > In short, this type of stuff seems to work better with heavier gauge > strings. I have a set of .010's on my G&L fretless. The .010 string could probablly be heaver. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 10 17:28:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10141; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:26:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:26:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:17:30 -0500 (EST) From: Neal Trembath X-Sender: ntrembat@gecko To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: opinions on analog - USB converters In-Reply-To: <002101bf5d55$58cb8740$f8b8173f@GTEtesh> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any opinions on any particular makes? Neal From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 10 17:37:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10499; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:35:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:35:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c093b1$af6992c0$9083abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: References: Subject: R: opinions on analog - USB converters Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 23:34:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <_FBEM.A.2jC.qIch6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com copied and pasted from a mail of a friend of mine. Luca here it is: Unrecognized diSturbing Bus: USB kills audio Meanwhile USB, the Universal Serial Bus, has become widely recognized and used, even in the professional area. With Windows 98 SE and Windows 2000 two major operating systems offer ease of use and full Plug and Play for any USB device. The number of MIDI interfaces using USB grows every day. But it seems that some manufacturers have overlooked a major disadvantage of USB for some time: USB can degrade the performance of other devices, especially when working at lowest latency. This makes working on a professional level at low latency with audio-/MIDI sequencer impossible. This Tech Info gives some background information about the effect and how to avoid it. more INFO: http://www.rme-audio.com/english/techinfo/lola/usbkills.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Trembath To: Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 11:17 PM Subject: opinions on analog - USB converters > > Any opinions on any particular makes? > > Neal > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 10 18:18:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12219; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 18:16:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 18:16:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 18:15:50 -0500 From: Floyd Miller Message-Id: <200102102315.SAA15412@portal.studiodust.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: R: opinions on analog - USB converters Resent-Message-ID: <-GQN2.A.o-C.nuch6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From what I've heard, USB is a buffered interface which means you cannot predict the latency very well. This doesn't matter for many uses but for MIDI and other real-timing-critical applications it is not the best choice. Firewire, on the other hand is promising if only the equipment manufacturers would get started. Perhaps they are already working on the next crop of mouth-watering interfaces. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 11 06:51:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28171; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 06:49:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 06:49:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c09420$85a19f40$fc518218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: Subject: OT: BETA Win2000 Drivers for MOTU!! Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 03:48:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They are only beta- but beta is betta than nada! http://www1.motu.com/english/download/autodown/action.lasso?-database=dldb&- layout=main&-response=searchresults.html&-op=eq&product=PCI-324&-op=eq&platf orm=Windows&-maxRecords=all&-sortfield=description&-sortorder=ascending&-sea rch From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 11 13:39:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07652; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 13:36:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 13:36:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "nospam" To: Subject: RE: unsubscribe Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 10:39:19 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <28.10fddd0c.27b5c86d@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9g7QID.A.M3B.2tth6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun of you and you will feel like a dork. -----Original Message----- From: BUNNI714@aol.com [mailto:BUNNI714@aol.com] Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 2:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe how do i unsubscribe? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 11 22:46:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21128; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:43:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:43:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20010211214236.007f9930@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 21:42:36 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Problem: Sync SR-16 With Echoplex Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, Asking for help! I want to sync my Alesis SR-16 to the Echoplex. I've read both manuals, but I don't know much about midi. I record with Multiple Loops. I'd like the drum machine to start when I press record on Loop 1. Presently, I record a loop, press record again, and the drum machine starts. I'm wanting everything to begin simultaneously, and I want the drum machine locked into it's tempo - not shaped by how long the loop may run (I'll use the drum machine as my "click track"). I'd like to activate the process by pressing record on the Echoplex. Also, I'd like the same beat from the drum machine to continue thru the recording of Loop 2, 3, etc. So, I press record in Loop 1 and begin playing my loop to the fixed tempo drum track. I go to Loop 2 as the drum track continues to play. Loop 3, etc. Thank you! Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 01:13:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25006; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:11:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:11:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010212061047.62949.qmail@web10113.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:10:47 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: Problem: Sync SR-16 With Echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20010211214236.007f9930@mail.airmail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8mnQE.A.pFG.o53h6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael, If you want, as you say, to used the drum machine as your click track, then I would suggest you use the drum machine as the clock, and sync the echoplex to it. bret --- Michael Clark wrote: > Hello, > > Asking for help! > > I want to sync my Alesis SR-16 to the Echoplex. I've read both > manuals, > but I don't know much about midi. > > I record with Multiple Loops. I'd like the drum machine to start > when I > press record on Loop 1. Presently, I record a loop, press record > again, > and the drum machine starts. I'm wanting everything to begin > simultaneously, and I want the drum machine locked into it's tempo - > not > shaped by how long the loop may run (I'll use the drum machine as my > "click > track"). I'd like to activate the process by pressing record on > the > Echoplex. > > Also, I'd like the same beat from the drum machine to continue thru > the > recording of Loop 2, 3, etc. > > So, I press record in Loop 1 and begin playing my loop to the fixed > tempo > drum track. I go to Loop 2 as the drum track continues to play. > Loop 3, etc. > > Thank you! > > Michael > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 01:23:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25348; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:20:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:20:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c094bb$d258bd00$090c78d8@com> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20010211214236.007f9930@mail.airmail.net> Subject: Sync SR-16 With Echoplex--Also! Change patterns thru MIDI (sort of long) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:19:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, here's the problem-- In order for the SR-16 to be synced to the EDP, it has to receive a clock from the EDP. That clock will only be generated after the first loop is closed. Therefore, if you want the drums to start when you begin recording your first loop, you need the EDP to be synced to the SR-16. So you would start the drums at the desired tempo and press record and begin playing, all at the same time. I am doing this--sort of. I use the PMC-10 by Digitech to send a variety of messages simultaneously, sometimes to start the drums first and then record later, since the EDP really wants to see the clock from the drums first. Now, you don't really have to sync the drums; if you are precise enough and the loop is not too short, you should be able to start both at the same time. The PMC is great for this since it has the ability to start non-MIDI devices which use a footswitch. But the best way is to let the drums play for a measure before starting to record. BTW, if you have quantize on, you can hit the record button anytime before beat one and it start on beat one of the next measure. ALSO OF INTEREST!!!!! I have found a way to change patterns on the SR-16 with MIDI. As the display is not backlit, I have always found it a chore to find the right pattern while on stage. I discovered how to do this with MIDI while using the Ztar (Starr Labs guitar type synth controller-- http://www.starrlabs.com ). It generates a command called Song Select which turns out to be the command Alesis has implemented to change patterns. Unfortunately it doesn't work while the drums are playing. I couldn't figure out how to generate the command from the hand help programmer which the PMC uses, but by using the record mode on the PMC I was able to capture it. This way you can label the proper footswitch and use the foot controller and avoid turning your back on the audience. So anyone using this combination, if you need the patch, contact me and I will send it to you off list. Gary PS Still need a job! ----- Original Message ----- > I want to sync my Alesis SR-16 to the Echoplex. I've read both manuals, > but I don't know much about midi. > > I record with Multiple Loops. I'd like the drum machine to start when I > press record on Loop 1. Presently, I record a loop, press record again, > and the drum machine starts. I'm wanting everything to begin > simultaneously, and I want the drum machine locked into it's tempo - not > shaped by how long the loop may run (I'll use the drum machine as my "click > track"). I'd like to activate the process by pressing record on the > Echoplex. > > Also, I'd like the same beat from the drum machine to continue thru the > recording of Loop 2, 3, etc. > > So, I press record in Loop 1 and begin playing my loop to the fixed tempo > drum track. I go to Loop 2 as the drum track continues to play. Loop 3, etc. > > Thank you! > > Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 04:15:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28751; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 04:14:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 04:14:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A8824D3.1C6506A6@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:00:51 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sync SR-16 With Echoplex--Also! Change patterns thru MIDI (sort of long) References: <3.0.3.32.20010211214236.007f9930@mail.airmail.net> <001101c094bb$d258bd00$090c78d8@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary Lehmann wrote: > --snip of very precise informations > Unfortunately it doesn't work while the drums are playing. I couldn't > figure out how to generate the command from the hand help programmer which > the PMC uses, but by using the record mode on the PMC I was able to capture > it. Gary please go here :http://www.mindspring.com/~sean_/pmc/index.html and get yourself "Raymond" _THE ONLY_ pmc10 software editor by one of our LD member Sean your problems with the handheld are over Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 05:28:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA29919; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 05:27:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 05:27:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7B2A679CC5E3D411A3E200D0B782E248018B59@TAP3> From: Jules Aitken To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Roland Handsonic question Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:24:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C094DE.00C0BEFA" Resent-Message-ID: <37FQ9.A.XTH.Mp7h6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C094DE.00C0BEFA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks for your advice. It is, indeed, a great instrument. I've only just discovered that it is actually 3 part multi-timbral - I think the default MIDI channels are 10, 11 & 12. Jules -----Original Message----- From: Tom Roady [mailto:tomroady@telalink.net] Sent: 09 February 2001 22:02 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Roland Handsonic question > From: Jules Aitken > Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:56:32 -0000 > To: > "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" > Subject: Roland Handsonic internal sequencer > > Try as I might I can't work out how to remove an individual drum sound from > the pattern sequencer. Even on my old R5 drum machine there's a pad you can > hold to remove unwanted or out-of-time hits. Can anyone help on this? > > J > Jules...there isn't an "erase as you go function" as such but you can copy any of the internal presets to user slots and then erase certain measures of that pattern and then Using the choice of quantize funtion enter your own sounds and pattern in that spot. You will get used to hitting the "write/copy" button alot and then cursoring to the erase or delete function you need. It is a littl bit of a pain in the ass but it is also IMHO a very creative instrument. I use it in almost all of my recording sessions here in Nashville. The "ROLL" button is way kool. You just have to learn how to control it. Hope this helps...tr ------_=_NextPart_001_01C094DE.00C0BEFA Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Roland Handsonic question
Thanks for your advice.  It is, indeed, a great instrument.  I've only just discovered that it is actually 3 part multi-timbral - I think the default MIDI channels are 10, 11 & 12.
 
Jules
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Roady [mailto:tomroady@telalink.net]
Sent: 09 February 2001 22:02
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Roland Handsonic question

> From: Jules Aitken <JulesAitken@tigeraspect.co.uk>
> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:56:32 -0000
> To:
> "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'"<Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Subject: Roland Handsonic internal sequencer
>
> Try as I might I can't work out how to remove an individual drum sound from
> the pattern sequencer.  Even on my old R5 drum machine there's a pad you can
> hold to remove unwanted or out-of-time hits.  Can anyone help on this?
>
> J
>
Jules...there isn't an "erase as you go function" as such but you can copy any of the internal presets to user slots and then erase certain measures of that pattern and then Using the choice of quantize funtion enter your own sounds and pattern in that spot.
You will get used to hitting the "write/copy" button alot and then cursoring to the erase or delete function you need. It is a littl bit of a pain in the ass but it is also IMHO a very creative instrument. I use it in almost all of my recording sessions here in Nashville. The "ROLL" button is way kool. You just have to learn how to control it. Hope this helps...tr
------_=_NextPart_001_01C094DE.00C0BEFA-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 07:50:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA32255; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 07:49:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 07:49:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01c601c094f0$f8243c00$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: lo tech delays Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 07:40:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I really like the balloon idea! Adds to the visual appeal! I used to use two machines and mic stands but I threaded the tape around the capstan of the second machine (or was it the first?). So the tape was powered (pushed? pulled?) by only one machine which eliminated problems with speed differences between the machines. Also, I sometimes used two tape loops of different length. One tape loop was threaded through both machines. The other was placed "inside" the first loop and was threaded through only one machine. Each machine could only "read" and "write" on one tape but the tapes were synchronized since the same transport powered both tapes. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 09:03:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01548; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:00:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:00:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A87EC55.1151FB3C@toddreynolds.com> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:58:12 -0500 From: Todd Reynolds Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: to those of you with mp3.com sites References: <3A7EDF84.1638B981@magi.com> <3A858C11.30492BE2@virtulink.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------023126B2427909E01C7A294D" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------023126B2427909E01C7A294D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://mp3.com/toddreynolds is mine, david. two tunes up now, third in evaluation... best, and thanks... todd David Beardsley wrote: > Dave wrote: > > > > Greetings All: > > > > I would like to put together a station on mp3.com, of loopy music. > > Could those of you who are interested post your site addresses. I'd > > like to check out whats out there. > > http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > > -- > * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y > * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" > * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Unexamined Life is Not Worth Living -- Plato Paint As You Like, and Die Happy... -- Henry Miller Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave. Apt. 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 718 392-3773 phone 917 576-6166 cell phone mailto:todd@toddreynolds.com http://www.toddreynolds.com mailto:ethel@toddreynolds.com http://www.ethelcentral.com --------------023126B2427909E01C7A294D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://mp3.com/toddreynolds  is mine, david.  two tunes up now, third in evaluation...

best,  and thanks...

todd
 
 

David Beardsley wrote:

Dave wrote:
>
> Greetings All:
>
> I would like to put together a station on mp3.com, of loopy music.
> Could those of you who are interested post your site addresses.  I'd
> like to check out whats out there.

http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley

--
* D a v i d         B e a r d s l e y
* 49/32  R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time"
* http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley


-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Unexamined Life is Not Worth Living -- Plato
Paint As You Like, and Die Happy... -- Henry Miller

Todd Reynolds
42-09 47th Ave. Apt. 1C
Sunnyside, NY 11104
718 392-3773 phone
917 576-6166 cell phone
mailto:todd@toddreynolds.com http://www.toddreynolds.com

mailto:ethel@toddreynolds.com http://www.ethelcentral.com --------------023126B2427909E01C7A294D-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 11:29:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04722; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:27:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:27:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: Repeater availability Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:24:40 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007D_01C094DE.01E1CE00" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <7B2A679CC5E3D411A3E200D0B782E248018B59@TAP3> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C094DE.01E1CE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roland Handsonic questionI know this question has been asked many times before, but I was wondering if anyone has heard if the Repeater will be available within 30 days or less? Also, I am wondering if anyone knows if Gibson is planning on releasing the EDP with pricing that will enable it to be competitive with the Repeater's supposed street price of around $595.? Thanks, Steve ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C094DE.01E1CE00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roland Handsonic question

I know=20 this question has been asked many times before, but I was wondering if = anyone=20 has heard if the Repeater will be available within 30 days or=20 less?
 
Also,=20 I am wondering if anyone knows if Gibson is planning on releasing the = EDP with=20 pricing that will enable it to be competitive with the Repeater's = supposed=20 street price of around $595.?
 
Thanks,
 
Steve
------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C094DE.01E1CE00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 11:30:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04758; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:28:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:28:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <64.b2d4c21.27b968dc@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:27:08 EST Subject: Re: Roland Handsonic question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_64.b2d4c21.27b968dc_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_64.b2d4c21.27b968dc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jules.....i think they address your question here.....Click here: KEYBOARD REPORTS: Roland HPD-15 HandSonic .....hope this is of use.....michael --part1_64.b2d4c21.27b968dc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jules.....i think they address your question here.....Click here: KEYBOARD
REPORTS: Roland HPD-15 HandSonic .....hope this is of use.....michael --part1_64.b2d4c21.27b968dc_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 11:40:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05022; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:37:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:37:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:35:35 EST Subject: Re: Roland Handsonic question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a0.ff71266.27b96ad7_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a0.ff71266.27b96ad7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/12/01 11:28:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: > jules.....i think they address your question here.....Click here: KEYBOARD > REPORTS: Roland HPD-15 HandSonic .....hope this is of use.....michael > > if that dont get you there, the review was found a www.harmony-central.com.....michael --part1_a0.ff71266.27b96ad7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/12/01 11:28:59 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Nemoguitt@aol.com writes:


jules.....i think they address your question here.....Click here: KEYBOARD
REPORTS: Roland HPD-15 HandSonic .....hope this is of use.....michael



if that dont get you there, the review was found a
www.harmony-central.com.....michael --part1_a0.ff71266.27b96ad7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 12:01:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05884; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:59:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:59:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20010212105858.007e68e0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:58:58 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Sync SR-16 With Echoplex--Also! Change patterns thru MIDI (sort of long) In-Reply-To: <001101c094bb$d258bd00$090c78d8@com> References: <3.0.3.32.20010211214236.007f9930@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi! Thank you for responding. Well, starting the drum machine, pressing record on the EDP and begin playing - all at the same time - is a bit much. I was hoping it would be a bit like syncing tape - press play and off you go. Is there no easier way? Perhaps I'll try the PMC-10 - if it will start both functions simultaneously. Right now, I don't know if the EDP is actually seeing the drum machine. No reference point. Thanks again, Michael At 10:19 PM 2/11/01 -0800, you wrote: >OK, here's the problem-- >In order for the SR-16 to be synced to the EDP, it has to receive a clock >from the EDP. That clock will only be generated after the first loop is >closed. Therefore, if you want the drums to start when you begin recording >your first loop, you need the EDP to be synced to the SR-16. So you would >start the drums at the desired tempo and press record and begin playing, all >at the same time. >I am doing this--sort of. I use the PMC-10 by Digitech to send a variety of >messages simultaneously, sometimes to start the drums first and then record >later, since the EDP really wants to see the clock from the drums first. >Now, you don't really have to sync the drums; if you are precise enough and >the loop is not too short, you should be able to start both at the same >time. The PMC is great for this since it has the ability to start non-MIDI >devices which use a footswitch. But the best way is to let the drums play >for a measure before starting to record. BTW, if you have quantize on, you >can hit the record button anytime before beat one and it start on beat one >of the next measure. >ALSO OF INTEREST!!!!! >I have found a way to change patterns on the SR-16 with MIDI. As the >display is not backlit, I have always found it a chore to find the right >pattern while on stage. I discovered how to do this with MIDI while using >the Ztar (Starr Labs guitar type synth controller-- >http://www.starrlabs.com ). It generates a command called Song Select which >turns out to be the command Alesis has implemented to change patterns. >Unfortunately it doesn't work while the drums are playing. I couldn't >figure out how to generate the command from the hand help programmer which >the PMC uses, but by using the record mode on the PMC I was able to capture >it. This way you can label the proper footswitch and use the foot >controller and avoid turning your back on the audience. So anyone using >this combination, if you need the patch, contact me and I will send it to >you off list. >Gary >PS Still need a job! > >----- Original Message ----- >> I want to sync my Alesis SR-16 to the Echoplex. I've read both manuals, >> but I don't know much about midi. >> > I record with Multiple Loops. I'd like the drum machine to start when I >> press record on Loop 1. Presently, I record a loop, press record again, >> and the drum machine starts. I'm wanting everything to begin >> simultaneously, and I want the drum machine locked into it's tempo - not >> shaped by how long the loop may run (I'll use the drum machine as my >"click >> track"). I'd like to activate the process by pressing record on the >> Echoplex. >> > Also, I'd like the same beat from the drum machine to continue thru the >> recording of Loop 2, 3, etc. >> > So, I press record in Loop 1 and begin playing my loop to the fixed >tempo >> drum track. I go to Loop 2 as the drum track continues to play. Loop 3, >etc. >> > Thank you! >> > Michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 12:18:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06217; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:15:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:15:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:13:16 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: flexible amplification to loop el. guitars Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA06173 Resent-Message-ID: <6ZJxtB.A.xgB.4nBi6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> I personally use a GT-5 with speaker simulation, but when I WAS using an amp, I found the HK Red Box to be a good sounding, cheap, small and simple solution. You can either take the preamp out, or put it between the power amp speaker output and the speaker. The new ones don't use batteries either... Then there's the good old Sans Amp Classic and GT2. >-Miko > hmm... if you imitate the nonlinearities of an amp between the power amp speaker output and the speaker instead of using the amp you still get the same problem... I'm talking between the pwr amp and speakers of the **guitar** amp... (allows you to get all the nuance of the pre-power stages of the amp) *that* gets the signal out to the board where you can then add time domain and full-range stuff which then goes on to the pa/full-range speaker system. -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 13:13:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08084; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:10:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:10:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200102102315.SAA15412@portal.studiodust.com> References: <200102102315.SAA15412@portal.studiodust.com> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:00:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: R: opinions on analog - USB converters Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6-w7S.A.D-B.qbCi6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com really? right now i'm running my sequencer on an old powermac through a midiman midi box to my gear. i've just acquired a new g3 powerbook and was interested in locking it in to my setup. i'm not pushing things really hard, but the new USB/Midi interface that i would need to buy would be of worse performance than my current setup, by what you are saying? If this is the case, then what is someone to do? I would like to take advantage of the new features offered in current software (which my old machine can't handle, processor wise), but my new powerbook doesn't have serial ports...USB seems my only choice... any advice? best regards, rich >From what I've heard, USB is a buffered interface which means >you cannot predict the latency very well. This doesn't matter >for many uses but for MIDI and other real-timing-critical >applications it is not the best choice. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 13:17:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08276; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:16:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:16:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:14:54 EST Subject: Re: R: opinions on analog - USB converters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich@nuvisionsca.com writes: >USB seems my only choice... >any advice? yeah: use it! there's a truckload of LogicAudio users (Mac) using Emagic usb interfaces w/o any problems. choose wisely; you should be fine. best, dt / SPLaTTeRGeeK >>From what I've heard, USB is a buffered interface which means >>you cannot predict the latency very well. This doesn't matter >>for many uses but for MIDI and other real-timing-critical >>applications it is not the best choice. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 13:22:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08473; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:21:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:21:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010212182007.16036.qmail@web209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:20:07 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: RE: Roland Handsonic question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7B2A679CC5E3D411A3E200D0B782E248018B59@TAP3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually it is 5 part - the other two are for the 'backing' instruments e.g. piano, etc. stephen --- Jules Aitken wrote: > Thanks for your advice. It is, indeed, a great > instrument. I've only just > discovered that it is actually 3 part multi-timbral > - I think the default > MIDI channels are 10, 11 & 12. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 14:40:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10845; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:37:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:37:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:34:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tyler Hart Subject: keller williams Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi and howdy, I'm webmaster for Keller Williams, I just thought I'd write you and let you know about him if you haven't heard. This is not meant as spam at all and if anyone is angered by this posting I apologize. I see from the list archives he has been mentioned a couple of times here but without any kind of links. He's a national artist who in the last 2 years has started heavily looping using a JamMan. His live shows feature stacked loops of acoustic guitar, multiple voices, bass guitar, steel drums, djembe, electric guitar, occasionally piano, etc, sometimes several layers deep. These days he uses some degree of looping in about a third to half the songs in each show. The web page is at http://www.kellerwilliams.net/ if you're interested. He's in the middle of a very long tour so if you want to see him you probably can before long. This may be the last tour in the smaller/cheaper venues in most areas. The website also has links to audio downloads, and there is very extensive free trading of live shows on DAT & CDR, most of which are soundboard recordings & capture the looping really well. There are trader listings on the website but most of the action takes place on the KW email list. thanks, enjoy and once again I hope this isn't perceived as spam - Keller doesn't need anyone pimping him these days, I just thought this list might be interested in his music. -- tyler hart hart@inetarena.com || http://www.inetarena.com/~hart/ kellerwilliams.net || segueproductions.com She don't believe that God's in the churches She don't believe in their God at all She finds herself with God when she's dancing She's dancing in the open fields of the Lord -Riverroots From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 17:32:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17086; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:30:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:30:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20010212105858.007e68e0@mail.airmail.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20010211214236.007f9930@mail.airmail.net> <3.0.3.32.20010212105858.007e68e0@mail.airmail.net> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:38:11 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Sync SR-16 With Echoplex--Also! Change patterns thru MIDI Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <38rVJD.A.XKE.fPGi6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary said in a brilliant explanation: > >Now, you don't really have to sync the drums; if you are precise enough and >>the loop is not too short, you should be able to start both at the same >>time. The PMC is great for this since it has the ability to start non-MIDI > >devices which use a footswitch. I never thought of this option. How can you play in the correct speed if you dont hear the drum first? So you have a PMC switch that sends StartSong and Record simultaneously, right? And then you press the same switch again so the Drum restarts when the loop is closed? Or do you have another key that just sends Record to close the loop? On principle, it would be possible to make this second Record press quantized to the coming Drum clock... would that solve a problem? For other users, too? Michael said: >Hi! Thank you for responding. Well, starting the drum machine, pressing >record on the EDP and begin playing - all at the same time - is a bit much. > I was hoping it would be a bit like syncing tape - press play and off you >go. Is there no easier way? I did not quite understand how you imagine this operation... Which is first? Or together? >Perhaps I'll try the PMC-10 - if it will start both functions simultaneously. > >Right now, I don't know if the EDP is actually seeing the drum machine. No >reference point. There is: the left green dot in the MULTIPLE display flashes if the MIDI clock comes. If it does not: - Sync parameter is not set to IN - MIDIclock is too fast (lower drum speed/measure or EDP 8th/beat param) - There is no good cable between Drum MIDI-out and EDP MIDI-in -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 17:41:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17381; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:40:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:40:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c09544$b4d449a0$9883abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: References: Subject: R: R: opinions on analog - USB converters Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:39:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > rich@nuvisionsca.com writes: > > >USB seems my only choice... > >any advice? > yeah: use it! > there's a truckload of LogicAudio users (Mac) using Emagic usb interfaces w/o > any problems. > choose wisely; you should be fine. > best, > dt / SPLaTTeRGeeK just wanted to clear that the only doubt about usb is when used with pc. it has born with and for mac; there seem to be no doubts about its work with its original platform by my side I can say my usb modem on my pc has a personal spirit and a funny behaving From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 18:13:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18934; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:11:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:11:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010212231051.15155.qmail@web216.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:10:51 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: Re: R: opinions on analog - USB converters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I understand that the timing precision in this setup is a function of emagic's proprietary technology (AMT - http://www.emagic.de/english/products/hardware/amt8_amt.html) I'm thinking of switching to Logic & the AMT8 (I need more midi ports and they are stackable!) - but out of curiousity, is there any other "AMT compliant" software out there? Stephen --- Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > there's a truckload of LogicAudio users (Mac) using > Emagic usb interfaces w/o > any problems. > choose wisely; you should be fine. ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 18:23:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19407; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:22:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:22:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c0954a$74cd3d20$a40c78d8@com> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20010211214236.007f9930@mail.airmail.net> <3.0.3.32.20010212105858.007e68e0@mail.airmail.net> Subject: EDP with SR-16 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:20:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello again--Here's more info on my setup. I've been trying some different ways to start and stop the SR-16, the Echoplex, and Cakewalk (a sequencer) on a laptop computer. Cakewalk has a key binding for play. The PMC-10 has a 1/4" input jack so I can start/stop the SR-16. And I'm using note on/off info to control the Echoplex. (Oh, and the PMC will send note on with no note off, which is THE RESET BUTTON FOR THE EDP!!!! So very cool!!!) Anyway, the PMC-10 has much flexibility in its configuration, so I have been experimenting. Here are some ways I have found to use all this wonderful stuff together-- You gotta change the pattern for the SR first while the SR is off, so I have two banks with different beats (patterns) assigned to pedals A, B, C, D, E, H and I, with pedal F as SR on and pedal G as SR off, mute EDP. So I select a beat style, then tap a tempo using the fill pedal on the SR (which doubles as a tap tempo--the stop button on the top of the SR also does this). Then I start the machine from the PMC-10 (pedal F). I usually use the EDP pedal to begin recording on the EDP, and to go into the other modes. I can start with the drums if I press record first, or after the first measure if I want to give the EDP a chance to read the clock (a good idea). On another bank I have a pedal configured like pedal G but which starts the sequencer when the EDP and SR-16 stops. There's more, but that's probably plenty ;>) Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 20:08:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22567; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:05:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:05:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: R: opinions on analog - USB converters Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:08:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4417.0 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: R: opinions on analog - USB converters Thread-Index: AcCVRThZX+dUBeaVSKOy0lZpb1036wADpqpA From: "Kim Flint" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id UAA22541 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com USB was actually created by Intel. It took them and Microsoft forever to convince PC makers to replace serial connectors and keyboards and such with it. (that still hasn't really happened....) For a long time it looked like it would never take off at all. Apple took a big risk and put it on the market first, and in the process helped Intel out a lot to get USB established. Apple didn't invent it though. That has nothing to do with whether it works well for audio or not. Audio over USB has always been considered tricky. It just wasn't designed to do that. I think you will find that people either used a clever and rather expensive method that works ok, or they use a lot of buffering to make up for the problems at the expense of latency. I imagine you will find some proprietary implementations that are pretty good, and plenty of cheap ones that are awful. So far as I know, none of them have been good enough to get a dolby logo approval or anything like that. kim -----Original Message----- From: Luca [mailto:lucafeed@tin.it] Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 2:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: R: R: opinions on analog - USB converters > rich@nuvisionsca.com writes: > > >USB seems my only choice... > >any advice? > yeah: use it! > there's a truckload of LogicAudio users (Mac) using Emagic usb interfaces w/o > any problems. > choose wisely; you should be fine. > best, > dt / SPLaTTeRGeeK just wanted to clear that the only doubt about usb is when used with pc. it has born with and for mac; there seem to be no doubts about its work with its original platform by my side I can say my usb modem on my pc has a personal spirit and a funny behaving From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 20:18:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23073; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:17:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:17:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:07:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: R: opinions on analog - USB converters Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_wO3MC.A.WoF.GsIi6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, Kim. I was kindof wondering about that, too. I didn't think Apple had invented it, just that they decided to take the risk and move away from the serial ports. If USB isn't terribly friendly to audio, why are so many people implementing it into their hardware? I seem to be seeing it all over the place. Is the Logic/Emagic Midi box the best way to go? Right now i am using MicroLogic on my powermac 7100, which only allows me to open one file at a time. This completely stalls me when cutting and pasting for compositions...especially with drum loops. Thus, i'm interested in moving on to a full featured software package. I was planning on migrating over to Cubase, since i would like to swap files with someone who is using Cubase on PC. Does anyone have a suggestion for a USB midi box that would work smoothly with Cubase on the Mac? Also, does anyone know if the Cubase files will be cross platform to the PC version of Cubase? thanks, rich >USB was actually created by Intel. It took them and Microsoft forever to >convince PC makers to replace serial connectors and keyboards and such >with it. (that still hasn't really happened....) For a long time it >looked like it would never take off at all. Apple took a big risk and >put it on the market first, and in the process helped Intel out a lot to >get USB established. Apple didn't invent it though. > >That has nothing to do with whether it works well for audio or not. >Audio over USB has always been considered tricky. It just wasn't >designed to do that. I think you will find that people either used a >clever and rather expensive method that works ok, or they use a lot of >buffering to make up for the problems at the expense of latency. I >imagine you will find some proprietary implementations that are pretty >good, and plenty of cheap ones that are awful. So far as I know, none of >them have been good enough to get a dolby logo approval or anything like >that. > >kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 21:58:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25518; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 21:56:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 21:56:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 01:04:08 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Transducers and Sustainiac (On vibraphone?!?!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >on 2/9/01 11:43 AM, Christian Leduc at chleduc@total.net wrote: > > > Infinite vibraphone!!! But I don't have the money to make a > > prototype.. :) and it would take a damn powerful magnet to >work... I thought >> of it when I heard Reich's Desert Music with the use of bowed vibraphones >> (incredible sound).. Fascinating idea! >Glenn Branca once used rotating discs (of leather, I believe) on strings >(harpsichords?). Wonder if this would work on vibes? I dont think that something that keeps contact would make it sound free. How about a rotating brush? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 22:15:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26332; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:13:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:13:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <30.1069ab40.27b9fff2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:11:46 EST Subject: Re: R: opinions on analog - USB converters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kflint@inkra.com writes: >That has nothing to do with whether it works well for audio or not. >Audio over USB has always been considered tricky. It just wasn't >designed to do that. I think you will find that people either used a >clever and rather expensive method that works ok, or they use a lot of >buffering to make up for the problems at the expense of latency. I >imagine you will find some proprietary implementations that are pretty >good, and plenty of cheap ones that are awful. So far as I know, none of >them have been good enough to get a dolby logo approval or anything like >that. right: i was only talking about midi functions; insofar as i understand, usb is fine for midi comm., so long as the usb bus isn't clogged w/devices. no? best, dt / PHLaTTeRTiRe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 22:21:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26502; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:20:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:20:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <59.6c785e4.27ba018a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:18:34 EST Subject: OT:Re: R: opinions on analog - USB converters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich@nuvisionsca.com writes: >I was >planning on migrating over to Cubase, since i would like to swap >files with someone who is using Cubase on PC. you can effect that exchange, regardless of which sequencer program either of you is using. just: save yer file as a midifile, & make sure all audio-files are either a)time-stamped, a la SD2 files, or b) that they all begin @ bar 1/beat 1/subdivision 1/tick 1. >Does anyone have a suggestion for a USB midi box that would work >smoothly with Cubase on the Mac? Also, does anyone know if the >Cubase files will be cross platform to the PC version of Cubase? i have heard that the *only* usb midiboxes that don't require the (kludgily unnecessary) use of OMS and/or FreeMidi are the Emagic interfaces. best, dt / whatsaMaTTeRCeLL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 22:26:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26962; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:25:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:25:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:23:41 EST Subject: Re: Transducers and Sustainiac (On vibraphone?!?!) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com matthias@grob.org writes: >How about a rotating brush? i have a (removable) device that i built, like this, currently mounted on my kikuyae (chrysanthemum harp). i used a 'brushless motor', and installed very soft, foamy material on the motors fan-blades..... when the motor is engaged, the soft-blades brush the strings very gently, but enough to strum the kikuyae's strings sweetly & infinitely (or, until the 9-volt battery dies). *-) best, dt / SPLaTTeRsmeLL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 12 22:26:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26970; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:25:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:25:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <8f.6cfa64a.27ba02e4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:24:20 EST Subject: Re: OT:Re: R: opinions on analog - USB converters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8f.6cfa64a.27ba02e4_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_8f.6cfa64a.27ba02e4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/12/01 10:19:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, Hedewa7@aol.com writes: > whatsaMaTTeRCeLL > you're killin me!.....:).....michael --part1_8f.6cfa64a.27ba02e4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/12/01 10:19:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, Hedewa7@aol.com
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you're killin me!.....:).....michael --part1_8f.6cfa64a.27ba02e4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 00:59:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31016; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:56:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:56:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20010212235550.00807510@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:55:50 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Sync SR-16 With Echoplex-- Saga Update In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.20010212105858.007e68e0@mail.airmail.net> <3.0.3.32.20010211214236.007f9930@mail.airmail.net> <3.0.3.32.20010212105858.007e68e0@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, More experimentation. I press play on the SR-16 and the parameter lights are in sync with the kick drum - each light flashes sequentially as the panel freaks out! The MULTIPLE light is red. Sync is IN. The BPM of the SR-16 is 106. EDP is set to 8ths. Anyone have any idea what is happening? The SR-16 and the EDP are set to channel one. This sure is fun. Michael At 08:38 PM 2/12/01 -0300, you wrote: >Gary said in a brilliant explanation: >> >Now, you don't really have to sync the drums; if you are precise enough and >>>the loop is not too short, you should be able to start both at the same >>>time. The PMC is great for this since it has the ability to start non-MIDI >> >devices which use a footswitch. > >I never thought of this option. How can you play in the correct speed >if you dont hear the drum first? >So you have a PMC switch that sends StartSong and Record simultaneously, right? >And then you press the same switch again so the Drum restarts when >the loop is closed? >Or do you have another key that just sends Record to close the loop? >On principle, it would be possible to make this second Record press >quantized to the coming Drum clock... would that solve a problem? For >other users, too? > >Michael said: >>Hi! Thank you for responding. Well, starting the drum machine, pressing >>record on the EDP and begin playing - all at the same time - is a bit much. >> I was hoping it would be a bit like syncing tape - press play and off you >>go. Is there no easier way? > >I did not quite understand how you imagine this operation... >Which is first? Or together? > >>Perhaps I'll try the PMC-10 - if it will start both functions simultaneously. >> >>Right now, I don't know if the EDP is actually seeing the drum machine. No >>reference point. > >There is: the left green dot in the MULTIPLE display flashes if the >MIDI clock comes. If it does not: >- Sync parameter is not set to IN >- MIDIclock is too fast (lower drum speed/measure or EDP 8th/beat param) >- There is no good cable between Drum MIDI-out and EDP MIDI-in >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 02:32:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA00671; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 02:31:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 02:31:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RGBLA@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 02:29:10 EST Subject: Fwd: EDP for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_e1.103f6276.27ba3c46_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_e1.103f6276.27ba3c46_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_e1.103f6276.27ba3c46_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-xb05.mx.aol.com (rly-xb05.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.106]) by air-xb05.mail.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Feb 2001 02:40:54 -0500 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com (hemlock.superb.net [207.228.238.9]) by rly-xb05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Feb 2001 02:40:45 -0500 Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16458; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:40:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:40:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RGBLA@aol.com Message-ID: <22.11985f01.27b2557d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:38:37 EST Subject: EDP for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have an EDP's for sale. Unused, Loaded with RAM, with footpedals. Los Angeles Area $800 obo --part1_e1.103f6276.27ba3c46_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 04:56:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03356; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 04:54:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 04:54:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20010212105858.007e68e0@mail.airmail.net> References: <001101c094bb$d258bd00$090c78d8@com> <3.0.3.32.20010211214236.007f9930@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 01:52:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Sync SR-16 With Echoplex--Also! Change patterns thru MIDI (sort of long) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:58 AM -0800 2/12/01, Michael Clark wrote: >Hi! Thank you for responding. Well, starting the drum machine, pressing >record on the EDP and begin playing - all at the same time - is a bit much. > I was hoping it would be a bit like syncing tape - press play and off you >go. Is there no easier way? > one simple trick.... set up an empty pattern in the drum machine. start that playing. It will send out midi clock at the right tempo but no sound. (or you could use an alternate output to send out a click to headphones or something.) Somewhere in the middle of your pattern tell the drum machine to go to the pattern you want to play. If it is like most drum machines, it will wait until the end of the blank pattern before it jumps. Press Record on the echoplex before that happens. This will "arm" the echoplex, so it waits for the next measure boundary to start recording. Then the drum machine will switch to a real pattern at the same time that the echoplex starts recording, as you want. make sure the echoplex is set to sync=in, the midi out of the drum machine is connected to the midi in of the echoplex, and the drum machine is set to transmit midi clock. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 06:19:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA05076; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 06:17:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 06:17:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: Gear suggestions - re: Lexicon Vortex Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:18:07 +0100 Message-ID: <001401c095ae$a47d3110$0301a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200102012151.QAA04243@user1.channel1.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fellow Loopers, I recently ran across a used Lexicon Vortex, mint condition, the seller wants DM 300.- (around $150 ?). I currently use a setup w/ a mixer, a Digitech StudioQuad, Sony HR-GP5, MAM RS3 Filter, Digitech RDS2001, Headrush, DL4, AX1000G and hopefully soon a repeater for synths, bass, trombone, sax and vocal processing. Question: Would the Vortex nicely complement this setup, or is it rather a fifth wheel? And what about the price asked ? Thanks, Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 08:23:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08047; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:20:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:20:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20010212235550.00807510@mail.airmail.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20010212105858.007e68e0@mail.airmail.net> <3.0.3.32.20010211214236.007f9930@mail.airmail.net> <3.0.3.32.20010212105858.007e68e0@mail.airmail.net> <3.0.3.32.20010212235550.00807510@mail.airmail.net> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:27:32 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Sync SR-16 With Echoplex-- Saga Update Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3MsjgD.A.P7B.8QTi6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mike: > >More experimentation. > >I press play on the SR-16 and the parameter lights are in sync with the >kick drum - each light flashes sequentially as the panel freaks out! The >MULTIPLE light is red. Sync is IN. The BPM of the SR-16 is 106. EDP is >set to 8ths. Anyone have any idea what is happening? The SR-16 and the >EDP are set to channel one. > The SR-16 sends out its beats as MIDI notes. The EDP understands notes as button presses. So for simple syncing, you have to interrupt that in one of the folowing ways: - using different channels (MIDIclock is channel independent) - setting the EDP MIDI-ControlSource param to Cnt or Off (maybe not good since you use the PMC) - switching off the note outs of the SR-16 (possible on HR-16, I remember) >At 08:38 PM 2/12/01 -0300, you wrote: >>Gary said in a brilliant explanation: >>> >Now, you don't really have to sync the drums; if you are precise >enough and >>>>the loop is not too short, you should be able to start both at the same >>>>time. The PMC is great for this since it has the ability to start non-MIDI >>> >devices which use a footswitch. >> >>I never thought of this option. How can you play in the correct speed >>if you dont hear the drum first? >>So you have a PMC switch that sends StartSong and Record simultaneously, >right? >>And then you press the same switch again so the Drum restarts when >>the loop is closed? >>Or do you have another key that just sends Record to close the loop? >>On principle, it would be possible to make this second Record press >>quantized to the coming Drum clock... would that solve a problem? For >>other users, too? >> >>Michael said: >>>Hi! Thank you for responding. Well, starting the drum machine, pressing >>>record on the EDP and begin playing - all at the same time - is a bit much. >>> I was hoping it would be a bit like syncing tape - press play and off you >>>go. Is there no easier way? >> >>I did not quite understand how you imagine this operation... >>Which is first? Or together? >> >>>Perhaps I'll try the PMC-10 - if it will start both functions >simultaneously. >>> >>>Right now, I don't know if the EDP is actually seeing the drum machine. No >>>reference point. >> >>There is: the left green dot in the MULTIPLE display flashes if the >>MIDI clock comes. If it does not: >>- Sync parameter is not set to IN >>- MIDIclock is too fast (lower drum speed/measure or EDP 8th/beat param) > >- There is no good cable between Drum MIDI-out and EDP MIDI-in -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 15:14:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18428; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:07:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:07:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Electrix FilterFactory Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:05:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Aaron and fellow loopers, I know this is a little late but I did a couple of FilterFactory Demos with settings images. just go to http://www.electrixpro.com/topsecret/fxrecipes/ Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 18:59:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24799; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:53:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:53:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c09616$fa9835a0$a9990fce@com> From: "Stephen Bradley and Kristen Chamberlin" To: References: Subject: That new virus that everyone's talking about Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:44:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <-H1EjD.A.__F.aici6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got this from my local network, to address this new virus. Thought I'd pass it on. stephen "VBS/SST@MM is a high-risk virus that has already infected many users- please don't be the next victim! Here's what to watch out for: The message will probably appear to come from someone you know. It will have an attachment called AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs. The subject and body of the message may look like this: Subject: Here you have, ;o) Body: Hi: Check This! Attachment: AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs If you receive a message that fits this profile, delete it immediately! Do not open the attachment! If you open the attachment, it runs a script that copies itself into your Windows directory, and also adds two entries to your Windows registry. If you are an Outlook user, it then attempts to send itself to everyone in your Outlook address book. To determine whether the virus has infected your computer: 1. Click on the Start button and select Find, then Files or Folders. 2. The Find All Files dialog box will open. Type the following into the "Named" box: *.vbs 3. In the "Look in" box, make sure that "Fixed disk (C:)" is selected. 4. Click on the Find Now button. (It may take a few minutes for the program to search your whole C: drive.) 5. If the AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs file is not found on your C: drive, you are fine and can stop here. 6. If the AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs file is found on your C: drive, your machine is infected with the virus and you should complete the virus removal procedure below. To remove the virus from your computer: 1. While you are still in the Find All Files dialog box, right-click on the AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs file and select Delete from the pop-up menu. 2. In the Confirm File Delete dialog box, click Yes. 3. Close the Find All Files dialog box. 4. To remove the bad registry settings, click on the Start button and select Run. 7. In the Run dialog box, type: regedit 8. In the Registry Editor window, click the plus sign beside the HKEY_USERS folder. 9. Click the plus sign beside the .DEFAULT folder. 10. Click the plus sign beside the Software folder. 11. Right-click on the folder named OnTheFly and select Delete from the pop-up menu. 12. Close the Registry Editor window, and you are finished. " From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 19:14:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25847; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:08:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:08:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:06:50 -0600 (CST) From: Heyoka_face_eater To: Loopers list Subject: RE: opinions on analog - USB converters Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <4aQJCC.A.eRG.cwci6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I haven't tried any USB D/A devices, but I will say this - I won't be using it under its (USB's) current specifications. Given all the problems I see with USB and bandwidth with CD burners, printers, and scanners at my tech support job... no thank you, I'll stick to "firewire". just my $.02 _______________________________________________________________________________ hittin' them switches on the 20 fo' sevens.. _______________________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 19:26:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26269; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:24:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:24:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:23:44 -0500 Subject: Re: That new virus that everyone's talking about From: Doug Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001c01c09616$fa9835a0$a9990fce@com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The best way to avoid this virus is to give your computer to the homeless and buy a Macintosh. _________________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer / Illustrator http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller http://www.dispatch.com http://www.cccn.org > "VBS/SST@MM is a high-risk virus that has already infected many users- > please don't be the next victim! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 19:39:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26723; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:38:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:38:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A89D08D.18F648C0@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:25:49 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Oberheim DX Drum Machine Question References: <200102132359.SAA25345@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all- All this SR-16 talk brings to mind a question about my beloved Oberheim DX drum machines. I know there are some older folks on the list, so hopefully somebody here has experience with the DX. (Just kidding. Jeez!) Is there a way to get the DX to start in record mode when slaved to another device? One of my machines has factory MIDI installed, in case that helps. Alternatively, is there a way to get it to always be in record mode? -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 19:45:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27252; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:42:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:42:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: That new virus that everyone's talking about Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:45:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4417.0 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: That new virus that everyone's talking about Thread-Index: AcCWHODrZWiXrsQnQnqI7Te71LiLGAAAmUSg From: "Kim Flint" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA27209 Resent-Message-ID: <_U2kQ.A.ZpG.ZRdi6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com or don't use outlook. or don't look at porn at work. kim -----Original Message----- From: Doug Miller [mailto:dmiller3@columbus.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 4:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: That new virus that everyone's talking about The best way to avoid this virus is to give your computer to the homeless and buy a Macintosh. _________________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer / Illustrator http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller http://www.dispatch.com http://www.cccn.org > "VBS/SST@MM is a high-risk virus that has already infected many users- > please don't be the next victim! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 19:50:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27914; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:48:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:48:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAE33@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: That new virus that everyone's talking about Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:47:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0961F.B08F5570" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0961F.B08F5570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" or don't use outlook. or don't look at porn at work. ** what else can i do to fill my time???? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0961F.B08F5570 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: That new virus that everyone's talking about



or don't use outlook.

or don't look at porn at work.

** what else can i do to fill my time????

------_=_NextPart_001_01C0961F.B08F5570-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 21:10:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30823; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:08:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:08:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c0962b$708b2060$eb78a218@austin.rr.com> From: "Jimmy George" To: References: Subject: Re: That new virus that everyone's talking about Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:11:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com why is outlook more susceptible kim? ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Flint To: Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 6:45 PM Subject: RE: That new virus that everyone's talking about > > or don't use outlook. > > or don't look at porn at work. > > kim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Miller [mailto:dmiller3@columbus.rr.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 4:24 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: That new virus that everyone's talking about > > > The best way to avoid this virus is to give your computer to the > homeless > and buy a Macintosh. > _________________________________ > Doug Miller > Graphic Designer / Illustrator > http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller > http://www.dispatch.com > http://www.cccn.org > > > "VBS/SST@MM is a high-risk virus that has already infected many users- > > please don't be the next victim! > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 21:19:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31150; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:18:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:18:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20010213211505.00961d90@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: floyd@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:17:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: That new virus that everyone's talking about In-Reply-To: <002101c0962b$708b2060$eb78a218@austin.rr.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:11 PM 2/13/01 -0600, you wrote: >why is outlook more susceptible kim? Because most people leave its option to enable vbscripts on and this worm like many others uses that to access outlook's address book for sending itself to others in your address book. So if you use it, Lookout. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 22:17:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00463; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:15:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:15:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007901c09634$c4a09d20$eb78a218@austin.rr.com> From: "Jimmy George" To: References: <4.2.0.58.20010213211505.00961d90@192.168.0.1> Subject: Re: That new virus that everyone's talking about Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:18:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com but i must open it to become infected, right? just recieving the mail will not infect me? are there any email settings i might change to protect me more? thanks for your help! jimmy george ----- Original Message ----- From: Floyd Miller To: Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 8:17 PM Subject: Re: That new virus that everyone's talking about > At 08:11 PM 2/13/01 -0600, you wrote: > >why is outlook more susceptible kim? > > Because most people leave its option to enable vbscripts on > and this worm like many others uses that to access outlook's > address book for sending itself to others in your address book. > > So if you use it, Lookout. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 22:23:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00791; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:21:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:21:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005d01c09635$01d5dd40$8889e3a5@poo> From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" To: References: <200102132359.SAA25345@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: How can you play in the correct speed if you don't hear the drums first? Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:19:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias wrote: I never thought of this option. How can you play in the correct speed if you don't hear the drum first? For what it's worth Matthias, in a new wave band I led in the early eighties, Tao Chemical, we wanted to be able to start songs without count ins for maximum theatricality. We practised starting the song without the guitarist and the bassist knowing what the tempo was (well, we knew what the relative tempo approach is)....just a visual cue from me about where the downbeat occurred. A great trick we developed to teach ourselves how to do this: Make sure that what ever you are going to loop (your melodic part, that is) has a value of at least one eight note (if your meter is in 16th notes) but preferabbly a dotted eighth note or a quarter note. Since you are controlling the "on" event, you hit the downbeat melodic or harmonic figure as you hit 'play' on the drum machine and listen like hell!!! What happens is that you will hear at least the down beat and the next 'hihat' or hihat-esque sound if not 3 or 4 of these metric units before you have to play your next chord or melody note. You then teach yourself how to get tempi from only two or three events. This is very jarring at first, but, believe it or not after you have done it 10 or 20 times at a few different tempi you get the hang of it and, most importantly, you quit being anxious about coming in with your next event (the anxiety that almost invariably causes human beings to play ahead of the beat). This is very effective in performance. It comes across as very organic even when one is playing to a sequenced track or a drum machine. Another good thing to do is to learn how to play behind the beat or ahead of the beat with total impunity. This is a longer discussion and if you or anyone else wants to hear it, I'll be happy to post a very cool trick I invented for teaching a rank beginner how to do this against a metronomic track. Just let me know. Right now, I'm about to clean install my whole friggin' system to prepare for a big production/writing gig that starts next week. My system has been increasingly buggy and I can't afford for it to fuck up on me next week. I may be off line for a day or two, consequently. Wish me luck, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 22:23:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00985; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:22:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:22:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c09634$d858add0$03011eac@mlameyer02> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: That new virus that everyone's talking about Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:18:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wait ... we could all stop using computers. Or stop being assholes. 8^) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 7:45 PM Subject: RE: That new virus that everyone's talking about > > or don't use outlook. > > or don't look at porn at work. > > kim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Miller [mailto:dmiller3@columbus.rr.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 4:24 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: That new virus that everyone's talking about > > > The best way to avoid this virus is to give your computer to the > homeless > and buy a Macintosh. > _________________________________ > Doug Miller > Graphic Designer / Illustrator > http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller > http://www.dispatch.com > http://www.cccn.org > > > "VBS/SST@MM is a high-risk virus that has already infected many users- > > please don't be the next victim! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 22:26:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01201; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:25:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:25:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c09635$3e929200$03011eac@mlameyer02> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <200102132359.SAA25345@hemlock.violacea.com> <005d01c09635$01d5dd40$8889e3a5@poo> Subject: Re: How can you play in the correct speed if you don't hear the drums first? Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:21:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please share! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 10:19 PM Subject: How can you play in the correct speed if you don't hear the drums first? > Matthias wrote: > I never thought of this option. How can you play in the correct speed > if you don't hear the drum first? > > > For what it's worth Matthias, in a new wave band I led in the early > eighties, Tao Chemical, we wanted to be able to start songs without count > ins for maximum theatricality. We practised > starting the song without the guitarist and the bassist knowing what the > tempo was (well, we knew what the relative tempo approach is)....just a > visual cue from me about where the downbeat occurred. > > A great trick we developed to teach ourselves how to do this: Make sure > that what ever you are going to loop (your melodic part, that is) has a > value of at least one eight note (if your meter is in 16th notes) but > preferabbly a dotted eighth note or a quarter note. Since you are > controlling the "on" event, you hit the downbeat melodic or harmonic figure > as you hit 'play' on the drum machine and listen like hell!!! What happens > is that you will hear at least the down beat and the next 'hihat' or > hihat-esque sound if not 3 or 4 of these metric units before you have to > play your next chord or melody note. You then teach yourself how to get > tempi from only two or three events. > This is very jarring at first, but, believe it or not after you have done it > 10 or 20 times at a few different tempi you get the hang of it and, most > importantly, you quit being anxious about coming in with your next event > (the anxiety that almost invariably causes human beings to play ahead of > the beat). This is very effective in performance. It comes across as very > organic even when one is playing to a sequenced track or a drum machine. > > Another good thing to do is to learn how to play behind the beat or ahead of > the beat with total impunity. This is a longer discussion and if you or > anyone else wants to hear it, I'll be happy to > post a very cool trick I invented for teaching a rank beginner how to do > this against a metronomic track. Just let me know. Right now, I'm about > to clean install my whole friggin' system to prepare for a big > production/writing gig that starts next week. My system has been > increasingly buggy and I can't afford for it to fuck up on me next week. I > may be off line for a day or two, consequently. Wish me luck, Rick > Walker (loop.pool) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 23:00:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02156; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:57:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:57:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20010213223301.00954b20@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: floyd@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:56:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: Email and Computer settings to avoid infection In-Reply-To: <007901c09634$c4a09d20$eb78a218@austin.rr.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20010213211505.00961d90@192.168.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:18 PM 2/13/01 -0600, jimmy george wrote: >but i must open it to become infected, right? just recieving the mail will >not infect me? are there any email settings i might change to protect me >more? I'm not an Outlook expert and I don't use it but in Outlook Express here are some of the options you should look at. Of course you should never execute programs that you receive from someone you don't know. But what if someone you know had their computer infected and sent you something without even knowing it? Be wary of any program you receive. In the case of this recent virus or worm, it has an attachment that is really an executable VB script. But the name is something.jpg.vbs. If you leave your Windows Explorer view options in their default settings you will only see the file named as something.jpg and you might think it is just a Jpeg picture. So you click on it and it executed the script. You should choose your View options to NOT hide the file name extesions of known file types. In Windows explorer choose View, Folder Options, and then the View tab. In that dialog window find and turn off "Hide file extensions for known file types". VB scripts that are embedded in the message do not have to be "opened" to execute. Simply reading the message will execute them. To avoid reading a message unintentionally make sure you have the Preview pane turned off. Do this by selecting your InBox and then go to View menu and select layout. In that dialo window turn off the "Show Preview Pane" option. In the Security tab of the Options menu select the restricted zone to limit the active-X and VB script content that is allowed. Unfortunately Outlook Express does not seem to specify what level of things will be allowed or diallowed. I guess Microsoft figures we wouldn't understand. There may be more control of this in Internet Explorer. It's also too bad that you cannot control your Outlook email all from within Outlook. And to stop sending HTML encoded that many people cannot read: Options...Send Tab .. Mail Sending Format - Select Plain Text Lastly, many of these worms travel by sending a copy of themselves to all the email addresses in your address book.there has been at least one security update for Outlook (and maybe Outlook Express) that disables or warns if a program tries to access your address book. Go to Microsoft's WEB site and see if you can find it. Read about it, download and install it. I hope this is helpful. ************************ Floyd Miller ***************** floyd@studiodust.com ************ http://www.studiodust.com ******** http://www.studiodust.com/~floyd ***** palace://studiodust.com:9998 ** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 23:22:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03270; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:20:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:20:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRAzjP+qFq6NcO/b/Co35Tfaq7PKQIVAIBNhj3u85jLlEcI2/s7v5SHEDK8 From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:20:03 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: UFO Disclosure Message-ID: <7845-3A8A0773-749@storefull-112.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id XAA03238 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hope nobody gets too mad about this off topic post- I just think it's important enough to break the rule. This will change the world. From: webmaster@cseti.org (Tony Craddock) Date: Tue, Feb 13, 2001, 7:40pm To: webmaster@cseti.org Subject: CSETI Announcement - Urgent Disclosure Project Update                 Please Post and Distribute As Desired ++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++ ********S T A R T H E R E********* ++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++ Since August of 2000, the CSETI Disclosure Project has recorded the testimony of over 100 military, government and related witnesses to UFO events and projects from around the world.  The testimony of these courageous witnesses creates a permanent archive with the most profound implications as it constitutes dozens of first-hand, often top-secret witnesses to UFO events, internal UFO -related government projects and covert government activities related to UFOs, Extraterrestrial Intelligence and exotic energy and propulsion system projects. These 100 witnesses constitute the tip of a larger pool of over 400 prospective witnesses, many of whom would prefer coming forward first in formal Congressional hearings --which we hope will follow the upcoming planned disclosure event. This testimony is on broadcast quality digital videotape and audio tape. Printed transcriptions of the testimony are currently being created. We are requesting that any further military, government, government- contractor or related witnesses to UFO events and projects contact CSETI Director Dr. Steven Greer immediately for inclusion in the briefing materials and the upcoming disclosure event. Such witnesses may contact Dr. Greer via the CSETI website at www.cseti.org or at 540 456 8302 (government witnesses only should use this number, please). Additionally, any other substantial, supporting evidence, such as government documents, high quality UFO photographs and videotaped images, hard evidence etc. should similarly be referred to the project for inclusion in the final briefing materials and disclosure Press Conference. The date for the Disclosure Press  Conference and related activities in Washington DC has been set and will occur in the Spring of this year (2001). Prior to the Disclosure Press Conference we will be conducting private briefings for key leaders in society, government and related institutions (for example, members of the US Congress, White House staff, scientific and religious leaders etc). If you have good access to such leaders and can assist with arranging  a briefing please contact Dr. Greer as soon as possible. This body of testimony is being edited and the over 100 hours of testimony will be condensed into a 2 hour briefing video. Additionally, a written briefing document consisting of witness testimony transcripts, government documents and important case material and policy papers is being prepared for use in the briefings and in the Disclosure Press Conference in Washington. The Disclosure Press Conference will present many of the government witnesses in person, and the other evidence and briefing materials will  be available to the media at that time.  People with excellent national and international media contacts  who can assist pro bono with media coordination are invited to contact Dr. Greer also. Unfortunately, a documentary containing this witness testimony will not be available as there are insufficient funds to complete such a project. We would like to thank all of the supporters and contributors to this historic effort and especially the witnesses who have come together to let the world know the truth about this very important matter. Anyone who would like to help support this effort is invited to make a tax-deductible contribution to : The Disclosure Project, PO Box 265, Crozet Va 22932. Further updates will be issued as the date for the event approaches. Again, we would like to thank our many supporters for their assistance in and dedication to disclosing the truth. The Disclosure Project CSETI 11 February 2001 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 23:49:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03971; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:47:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:47:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c09641$cddb0ee0$eb78a218@austin.rr.com> From: "Jimmy George" To: References: <4.2.0.58.20010213211505.00961d90@192.168.0.1> <4.2.0.58.20010213223301.00954b20@192.168.0.1> Subject: Re: Email and Computer settings to avoid infection Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:51:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thank you for your suggestions. from my windows explorer i went to folder options and unchecked the box (that was checked) labeled, 'Hide file extensions for known file types' . i also disabled the view panel as suggested. i checked the restricted zone setting i will see what makes it in. i checked the plain text button, what will this change in me sending mail out? i will now go to the microsoft site and search for their update. i am tempted to store my total mail list on a zip disk and refer to the zip disk when sending mass mails. thank you again for all your suggestions, they are very helpful! peace jimmy george http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Floyd Miller To: Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 9:56 PM Subject: Re: Email and Computer settings to avoid infection > At 09:18 PM 2/13/01 -0600, jimmy george wrote: > >but i must open it to become infected, right? just recieving the mail will > >not infect me? are there any email settings i might change to protect me > >more? > > > I'm not an Outlook expert and I don't use it but in Outlook Express > here are some of the options you should look at. > > Of course you should never execute programs that you receive from someone you > don't know. But what if someone you know had their computer infected and > sent you something without even knowing it? Be wary of any program you > receive. > > In the case of this recent virus or worm, it has an attachment that is > really an executable VB script. But the name is something.jpg.vbs. If > you leave your Windows Explorer view options in their default settings > you will only see the file named as something.jpg and you might think > it is just a Jpeg picture. So you click on it and it executed the script. > You should choose your View options to NOT hide the file name extesions > of known file types. In Windows explorer choose View, Folder Options, > and then the View tab. In that dialog window find and turn off > "Hide file extensions for known file types". > > VB scripts that are embedded in the message do not have to be "opened" > to execute. Simply reading the message will execute them. To avoid > reading a message unintentionally make sure you have the Preview pane > turned off. Do this by selecting your InBox and then go to View menu > and select layout. In that dialo window turn off the "Show Preview Pane" > option. > > In the Security tab of the Options menu select the restricted zone to > limit the active-X and VB script content that is allowed. Unfortunately > Outlook Express does not seem to specify what level of things will be > allowed or diallowed. I guess Microsoft figures we wouldn't understand. > There may be more control of this in Internet Explorer. It's also too > bad that you cannot control your Outlook email all from within Outlook. > > And to stop sending HTML encoded that many people cannot read: > > Options...Send Tab .. Mail Sending Format - Select Plain Text > > Lastly, many of these worms travel by sending a copy of themselves to all > the email addresses in your address book.there has been at least one > security update for Outlook (and maybe Outlook Express) that disables > or warns if a program tries to access your address book. Go to Microsoft's > WEB site and see if you can find it. Read about it, download and install it. > > I hope this is helpful. > > > > > ************************ Floyd Miller > ***************** floyd@studiodust.com > ************ http://www.studiodust.com > ******** http://www.studiodust.com/~floyd > ***** palace://studiodust.com:9998 > ** > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 13 23:55:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04355; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:54:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:54:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20010213235054.00961290@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: floyd@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:53:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: Email and Computer settings to avoid infection In-Reply-To: <002401c09641$cddb0ee0$eb78a218@austin.rr.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20010213211505.00961d90@192.168.0.1> <4.2.0.58.20010213223301.00954b20@192.168.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:51 PM 2/13/01 -0600, you wrote: >i checked the plain text button, what will this change in me sending mail >out? That has nothing to do with security. I just has your outgoing email sent in plaint text only with no HTML encodings. HTML encoding is on by default and it causes your messages to be sent with both plain text and HTML copies making your messages take up more than twice the bandwidth. Turning on Plain Text only is a way to be a considerate email user. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 00:04:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05197; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:03:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:03:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c09644$023145e0$eb78a218@austin.rr.com> From: "Jimmy George" To: References: <4.2.0.58.20010213211505.00961d90@192.168.0.1><4.2.0.58.20010213223301.00954b20@192.168.0.1> <4.2.0.58.20010213235054.00961290@192.168.0.1> Subject: Re: Email and Computer settings to avoid infection Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:07:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com indeed. thanks for the tips! ----- Original Message ----- From: Floyd Miller To: Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 10:53 PM Subject: Re: Email and Computer settings to avoid infection > At 10:51 PM 2/13/01 -0600, you wrote: > > >i checked the plain text button, what will this change in me sending mail > >out? > > That has nothing to do with security. I just has your outgoing email > sent in plaint text only with no HTML encodings. HTML encoding is on > by default and it causes your messages to be sent with both plain text > and HTML copies making your messages take up more than twice the bandwidth. > Turning on Plain Text only is a way to be a considerate email user. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 00:18:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05738; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:15:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:15:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:14:09 EST Subject: OT: Re: UFO Disclosure To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jordanpease@webtv.net writes: >I hope nobody gets too mad about this off topic post- ifya put *OT* in the beginning of yer subject line, then folks'd be able to skip the msg, easily, if they so desire..... >I just think it's >important enough to break the rule. This will change the world. unless i'm mistaken, the world's already changing. *-) best, dt / S-C From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 00:56:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06730; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:54:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:54:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20010213235203.0084b3f0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:52:03 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: How can you play in the correct speed if you don't hear the drums first? In-Reply-To: <005d01c09635$01d5dd40$8889e3a5@poo> References: <200102132359.SAA25345@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A number of bands don't count. They just begin. The tempo becomes sort of built in. For live stuff, I prefer not to count the band in. Just a signal. And begin. M. At 07:19 PM 2/13/01 -0800, you wrote: >Matthias wrote: >I never thought of this option. How can you play in the correct speed >if you don't hear the drum first? > > >For what it's worth Matthias, in a new wave band I led in the early >eighties, Tao Chemical, we wanted to be able to start songs without count >ins for maximum theatricality. We practised >starting the song without the guitarist and the bassist knowing what the >tempo was (well, we knew what the relative tempo approach is)....just a >visual cue from me about where the downbeat occurred. > >A great trick we developed to teach ourselves how to do this: Make sure >that what ever you are going to loop (your melodic part, that is) has a >value of at least one eight note (if your meter is in 16th notes) but >preferabbly a dotted eighth note or a quarter note. Since you are >controlling the "on" event, you hit the downbeat melodic or harmonic figure >as you hit 'play' on the drum machine and listen like hell!!! What happens >is that you will hear at least the down beat and the next 'hihat' or >hihat-esque sound if not 3 or 4 of these metric units before you have to >play your next chord or melody note. You then teach yourself how to get >tempi from only two or three events. >This is very jarring at first, but, believe it or not after you have done it >10 or 20 times at a few different tempi you get the hang of it and, most >importantly, you quit being anxious about coming in with your next event >(the anxiety that almost invariably causes human beings to play ahead of >the beat). This is very effective in performance. It comes across as very >organic even when one is playing to a sequenced track or a drum machine. > >Another good thing to do is to learn how to play behind the beat or ahead of >the beat with total impunity. This is a longer discussion and if you or >anyone else wants to hear it, I'll be happy to >post a very cool trick I invented for teaching a rank beginner how to do >this against a metronomic track. Just let me know. Right now, I'm about >to clean install my whole friggin' system to prepare for a big >production/writing gig that starts next week. My system has been >increasingly buggy and I can't afford for it to fuck up on me next week. I >may be off line for a day or two, consequently. Wish me luck, Rick >Walker (loop.pool) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 01:55:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08899; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:54:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:54:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01C0965C.9E2E0E70.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: AW: UFO Disclosure Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:51:41 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > activities related to UFOs, Extraterrestrial Intelligence > and exotic energy and propulsion system projects. how about extraterrestrial loop music? now *that* would be quite interesting. = michael peters = electronic music & strange attractors = http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 04:00:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12401; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 03:58:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 03:58:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c09664$235bf920$067d7d7d@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: That new virus that everyone's talking about Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:57:18 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mind the religious fanaticisms please! This is a public forum! Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery.html - Online Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! > The best way to avoid this virus is to give your computer to the homeless > and buy a Macintosh. > _________________________________ > Doug Miller > Graphic Designer / Illustrator > http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller > http://www.dispatch.com > http://www.cccn.org > > > "VBS/SST@MM is a high-risk virus that has already infected many users- > > please don't be the next victim! > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 10:45:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21318; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:40:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:40:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A8AA579.AC9C55F5@ernieball.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:34:17 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Email and Computer settings References: <200102140455.XAA04474@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I found this bit of advice. It tells you how to disable all vbs script execution, as well as the pros and cons of doing so. http://www.zdnet.com/feeds/cgi/framer/hud0002500/www.zdnet.com/zdhelp/stories/main/0,5594,2568111,00.html -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 10:58:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21898; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:56:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:56:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <56.739b243.27bc0434@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:54:28 EST Subject: like a ufo, loops will descend tonite in pittsburgh! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_56.739b243.27bc0434_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_56.739b243.27bc0434_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this is it kiddies!.....tonite CY K DILLIC and HIS BOXES i.e. the M.KLOBUCHAR band will do their thing.....i feel like a loop missionary, i hope im not going to be a martyer (SP), you know, the folks they tie to a tree and shoot full of arrows for not denying loops.....if you get this message and feel like flying here, the BIG SHOW is 6-8 at DINGBATS CITY TAVERN, ONE OXFORD CENTER, DOWNTOWN PITTSBURGH.....hope to see ya there.....:).....michael --part1_56.739b243.27bc0434_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this is it kiddies!.....tonite CY K DILLIC and HIS BOXES i.e. the M.KLOBUCHAR
band will do their thing.....i feel like a loop missionary, i hope im not
going to be a martyer (SP), you know, the folks they tie to a tree and shoot
full of arrows for not denying loops.....if you get this message and feel
like flying here, the BIG SHOW is 6-8 at DINGBATS CITY TAVERN, ONE OXFORD
CENTER, DOWNTOWN PITTSBURGH.....hope to see ya there.....:).....michael --part1_56.739b243.27bc0434_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 12:00:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23624; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:57:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:57:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <035501c096a5$d768e540$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <56.739b243.27bc0434@aol.com> Subject: Re: like a ufo, loops will descend tonite in pittsburgh! Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:47:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0352_01C0967B.EE542690" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0352_01C0967B.EE542690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Go, Michael (the loop missionary)! Best of luck and have fun! (Leave some crop circles when you go. :) Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ------=_NextPart_000_0352_01C0967B.EE542690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Go, Michael (the loop = missionary)!  Best of=20 luck and have fun!
 
(Leave some crop circles when you = go. =20 :)
 
Dennis Leas
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dennis@mdbs.com
------=_NextPart_000_0352_01C0967B.EE542690-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 13:58:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27362; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:55:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:55:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:52:46 -0800 From: "Tim Sanz" To: Subject: fretless midi instrument Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA27311 Resent-Message-ID: <0C4S9B.A._qG.NRti6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this looked like it would be fun to loop with..... anyone played with it? http://www.cerlsoundgroup.org/Continuum/ Cheer's, Ts From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 14:53:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29290; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:50:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:50:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <039301c096be$1f610ae0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: fretless midi instrument Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:41:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Tim! > this looked like it would be fun to loop with..... > anyone played with it? > http://www.cerlsoundgroup.org/Continuum/ Yes! It's a cool device but a little bit hard to get used to. I was at a demo (at CERL Sound) about 10 months ago. You might want to check the LD archives. I think we had some discussion on it. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 15:37:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30857; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:35:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:35:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010214203440.25114.qmail@web205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:34:40 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Subject: Re: fretless midi instrument To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WoW - looks enticing & probably very difficult to play - and with the $8,750.00 price tag, even my gear lust is in check....makes my ztar look like a steal! stephen --- Tim Sanz wrote: > this looked like it would be fun to loop with..... > anyone played with it? > http://www.cerlsoundgroup.org/Continuum/ > > Cheer's, > Ts > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 16:11:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32368; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:07:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:07:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010214210602.26130.qmail@web5101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:06:02 -0800 (PST) From: Alx Subject: Re: How can you play in the correct speed if you don't hear the drums first? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005d01c09635$01d5dd40$8889e3a5@poo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Share your tip, that would be cool to hear. Alx > Another good thing to do is to learn how to play > behind the beat or ahead of > the beat with total impunity. This is a longer > discussion and if you or > anyone else wants to hear it, I'll be happy to > post a very cool trick I invented for teaching a > rank beginner how to do > this against a metronomic track. Just let me know. > Right now, I'm about > to clean install my whole friggin' system to prepare > for a big > production/writing gig that starts next week. My > system has been > increasingly buggy and I can't afford for it to fuck > up on me next week. I > may be off line for a day or two, consequently. > Wish me luck, Rick > Walker (loop.pool) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 16:41:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00927; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:38:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:38:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:36:06 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: How can you play in the correct speed if you don't hear the drums first? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA00877 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick Walker will probably remember this particular tempo thing as well... A Santa Cruz based band we both co-billed with called the Batteries, used to count off most of their songs really, really fast... then proceed to come in at the real tempo of the song... It was always great fun to watch the singer Tony Canipe in high-speed mode count off the song, and hear the band come in at a completely different tempo. Not sure if this was just a fun goof they did, or if they had deeper motives for doing it. Did they ever say anything about this to you Rick? I really loved that band and miss them all a lot... -Miko >>> gendel777@yahoo.com 02/14/01 01:06PM >>> Share your tip, that would be cool to hear. Alx > Another good thing to do is to learn how to play > behind the beat or ahead of > the beat with total impunity. This is a longer > discussion and if you or > anyone else wants to hear it, I'll be happy to > post a very cool trick I invented for teaching a > rank beginner how to do > this against a metronomic track. Just let me know. > Right now, I'm about > to clean install my whole friggin' system to prepare > for a big > production/writing gig that starts next week. My > system has been > increasingly buggy and I can't afford for it to fuck > up on me next week. I > may be off line for a day or two, consequently. > Wish me luck, Rick > Walker (loop.pool) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 19:41:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06421; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:39:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:39:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010214194008.007cae10@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:40:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: fretless midi instrument In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looked like a lot of fun until I saw the price tag! Ouch! -t At 10:52 AM 2/14/01 -0800, you wrote: >this looked like it would be fun to loop with..... >anyone played with it? >http://www.cerlsoundgroup.org/Continuum/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 19:51:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06851; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:49:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:49:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.83] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How can you play in the correct speed if you don't hear the drums first? Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 00:48:20 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2001 00:48:20.0818 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE3A3320:01C096E8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Miko....I did some "work" with Tony of few years ago. I can safely tell you that there were no greater motives in the count off thing...it's just kinda how he works! Keeps all of the musicians on their toseys, 'tho. Prob was...the "right" tempo never stuck either. Batteries tried a re-union thing about "95-96...but it didn't stick. In their prime they were a killer band..... Max Valentino >From: "Mike Biffle" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: , >Subject: Re: How can you play in the correct speed if you don't hear the >drums first? >Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:36:06 -0800 > >Rick Walker will probably remember this particular tempo thing as well... > >A Santa Cruz based band we both co-billed with called the Batteries, used >to count off most of their songs really, really fast... then proceed to >come in at the real tempo of the song... It was always great fun to watch >the singer Tony Canipe in high-speed mode count off the song, and hear the >band come in at a completely different tempo. Not sure if this was just a >fun goof they did, or if they had deeper motives for doing it. Did they >ever say anything about this to you Rick? I really loved that band and miss >them all a lot... > >-Miko > > >>> gendel777@yahoo.com 02/14/01 01:06PM >>> >Share your tip, that would be cool to hear. >Alx > > > Another good thing to do is to learn how to play > > behind the beat or ahead of > > the beat with total impunity. This is a longer > > discussion and if you or > > anyone else wants to hear it, I'll be happy to > > post a very cool trick I invented for teaching a > > rank beginner how to do > > this against a metronomic track. Just let me know. > > Right now, I'm about > > to clean install my whole friggin' system to prepare > > for a big > > production/writing gig that starts next week. My > > system has been > > increasingly buggy and I can't afford for it to fuck > > up on me next week. I > > may be off line for a day or two, consequently. > > Wish me luck, Rick > > Walker (loop.pool) > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 >a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 20:37:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08620; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:36:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:36:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A8B324C.49183D8@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:35:13 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fretless midi instrument References: <3.0.5.32.20010214194008.007cae10@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Nelson wrote: > Looked like a lot of fun until I saw the price tag! Ouch! > > -t > At 10:52 AM 2/14/01 -0800, you wrote: > >this looked like it would be fun to loop with..... > >anyone played with it? > >http://www.cerlsoundgroup.org/Continuum/ ya wanna go in four-ways on a half-size? :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 21:31:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10492; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:29:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:29:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:28:32 EST Subject: way OT.....CY K DILLICS gig report To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ca.10dc9da5.27bc98d0_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: <088MiC.A.jjC.-7zi6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ca.10dc9da5.27bc98d0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it was absolutly amazing, the pope could have been in the place and i couldnt have been calmer.....no stage freight..... WOW .....was that neat! that truely puts a different spin on things.....tonite was all guitar, just jammin over stuff adding a tid-bit here and there, a very forgiving gig.....two hours solo was a bit much, i started running out of ideas by the last 1/2 hour, i kept it pretty sedate, it would have been fun to freak but i wasnt going to blow my cover.....makes me want to get a bit more serious about this, i dont really know what that means, forgive me.....next time im takin the mighty casio and some pots and pans.....what a gas!.....i was truely SONIC WALLPAPER.....the mackies sounded soooo good and i didnt have them beyond 3 on the mixer, crushin, wonderful!.....dennis thanks for the good wishes, they worked!.....michael --part1_ca.10dc9da5.27bc98d0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it was absolutly amazing, the pope could have been in the place and i couldnt
have been calmer.....no stage freight..... WOW .....was that neat! that
truely puts a different spin on things.....tonite was all guitar, just jammin
over stuff adding a tid-bit here and there, a very forgiving gig.....two
hours solo was a bit much, i started running out of ideas by the last 1/2
hour, i kept it pretty sedate, it would have been fun to freak but i wasnt
going to blow my cover.....makes me want to get a bit more serious about
this, i dont really know what that means, forgive me.....next time im takin
the mighty casio and some pots and pans.....what a gas!.....i was truely
SONIC WALLPAPER.....the mackies sounded soooo good and i didnt have them
beyond 3 on the mixer, crushin, wonderful!.....dennis thanks for the good
wishes, they worked!.....michael --part1_ca.10dc9da5.27bc98d0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 21:42:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11031; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:40:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:40:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008001c096f8$5d585620$dd954e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: way OT.....CY K DILLICS gig report Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:38:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007D_01C096CE.73CB3320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <47K6VC.A.IsC.BG0i6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C096CE.73CB3320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Michael: Glad the gig went well. I remember that you'd posted you hadn't played = out since the 70's. Wow. Great to hear that you kept calm and didn't = get that paralyzing stagefright. Now that you've got this one under = your belt, I hope you get out to do more and more gigs. James ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C096CE.73CB3320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Michael:
 
Glad the gig went well.  I remember that you'd posted you = hadn't=20 played out since the 70's.  Wow.  Great to hear that you kept = calm and=20 didn't get that paralyzing stagefright.  Now that you've got this = one under=20 your belt, I hope you get out to do more and more gigs.
 
James
------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C096CE.73CB3320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 14 22:23:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12365; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:21:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:21:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20010214212052.007f3100@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:20:52 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Sync SR-16 With Echoplex - Thanks! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Everyone! Well, I've been working with the EDP and the SR-16. Progress is being made! I like the feeling of progress. Many thanks to Bret, Gary Lehmann, Claude Voit, Matthias Grob and Kim Flint for your suggestions that worked! A special thanks to Bret and Gary who emailed me, personally. Gary took the time to give me a step-by-step process that even I could follow. What a great group! Thank you! Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 01:18:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16499; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:16:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:16:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009401c09716$9de243e0$337c0d98@uncg.edu> Reply-To: "insect politics" From: "insect politics" To: References: <200102080500.AAA21410@hemlock.violacea.com> <00d701c091a0$7a7bc320$d282e3a5@poo> Subject: Repeater.. ballpark figure? Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:14:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, since there's a delay anyway I figure I might as well use the extra time to get the accessories. Has anybody compiled a list of what's necessary to really get the most out of the Repeater as far as cards (and reader which i know nothing about) foot controller etc? Sorry to be a pest but I could use some insight offlist if someone would like to steer me in the right direction it would be great. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 01:30:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16989; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:29:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:29:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c09719$56340440$c9936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: Subject: Re: UK loopers where are you ? Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:37:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm looking into the idea of a Welsh loop evening. Anyone up for it ? WARNING : No-one's going to get rich by being involved but it could be a gas. Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 05:34:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA21584; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 05:31:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 05:31:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c0973a$5cb2e860$067d7d7d@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <000501c09719$56340440$c9936fd4@y5w2s5> Subject: Re: UK loopers where are you ? Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:30:46 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Arrgh, stuck in London again... no car here I'm afraid. But should anyone in this burg would like to jam, lemme know. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery.html - Online Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! ----- Original Message ----- From: "whiteoakstudios" To: Sent: 14 February 2001 18:37 PM Subject: Re: UK loopers where are you ? > I'm looking into the idea of a Welsh loop evening. Anyone up for it ? > > WARNING : No-one's going to get rich by being involved but it could be a > gas. > > Gareth > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 07:43:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24304; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:41:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:41:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c0974c$57fa3d20$2e7cff3e@default> From: "Martin Shakeshaft" To: References: <000501c09719$56340440$c9936fd4@y5w2s5> Subject: Re: UK loopers where are you ? Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:38:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would certainly be interested. Where in Wales are you? I live in Staffordshire. I am new to looping I play a Yamaha VL1 synth with a WX11 wind controller. This goes through a Jamman and a Line 6 DL4. If any other loopers would like to get together please drop me a line. Cheers Martin -- Martin Shakeshaft A child of five could understand this. Fetch me a child of five - Groucho Marx ----- Original Message ----- From: whiteoakstudios To: Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 6:37 PM Subject: Re: UK loopers where are you ? > I'm looking into the idea of a Welsh loop evening. Anyone up for it ? > > WARNING : No-one's going to get rich by being involved but it could be a > gas. > > Gareth > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 09:41:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27892; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:39:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:39:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.77] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: way OT.....CY K DILLICS gig report Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:38:04 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2001 14:38:04.0777 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7C77D90:01C0975C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey...that's great, and congratulations! It's always so good to hear about another looper getting out and just doin' it.... let us know when your next one is happening! Max Valentino >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: way OT.....CY K DILLICS gig report >Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:28:32 EST > >it was absolutly amazing, the pope could have been in the place and i >couldnt >have been calmer.....no stage freight..... WOW .....was that neat! that >truely puts a different spin on things.....tonite was all guitar, just >jammin >over stuff adding a tid-bit here and there, a very forgiving gig.....two >hours solo was a bit much, i started running out of ideas by the last 1/2 >hour, i kept it pretty sedate, it would have been fun to freak but i wasnt >going to blow my cover.....makes me want to get a bit more serious about >this, i dont really know what that means, forgive me.....next time im takin >the mighty casio and some pots and pans.....what a gas!.....i was truely >SONIC WALLPAPER.....the mackies sounded soooo good and i didnt have them >beyond 3 on the mixer, crushin, wonderful!.....dennis thanks for the good >wishes, they worked!.....michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 09:45:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28143; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:43:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:43:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.77] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: UK loopers where are you ? Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:42:25 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2001 14:42:25.0784 (UTC) FILETIME=[8359FF80:01C0975D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool idea....if I could only get to Wales (hmmm, what would the wife say when THAT charge showed up on the VISA statement?) Good luck..and let us know how it works out. Max >From: "whiteoakstudios" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: UK loopers where are you ? >Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:37:33 -0000 > >I'm looking into the idea of a Welsh loop evening. Anyone up for it ? > >WARNING : No-one's going to get rich by being involved but it could be a >gas. > >Gareth > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 10:05:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29162; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:04:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:04:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c0975f$f9e69760$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" From: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" To: Loopers-Delight Subject: What's the collective noun for UK loopers? Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:00:02 -0000 Organization: University of Surrey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gareth:> I'm looking into the idea of a Welsh loop evening. Anyone up for it ? Would love to, but have since given up the Land of My Fathers (or rather isLand, being from Anglesey) for the grim temptations of London... Martin: >I would certainly be interested. Where in Wales are you? I live in >Staffordshire. You mean there are people in Staffordshire? ;) (I jest; for those outside the UK, Staffs seems to be the new home of prog rock) Stephen: >Arrgh, stuck in London again... no car here I'm afraid. But should anyone >in this burg would like to jam, lemme know. This might be a goer - after all, David "Terrible Puns" Orton is in London. Any other takers? Mike PS For those who have long memories, I used to be on this list, like, ages ago (and lived in Glasgow)... have ended up researching on acoustics of electric guitars (for reasons I don't entirely understand). At least it lets me play with the guitars, as I seem to have no time to play the things (hence my lurkitude) Dr Mike Hughes Lecturer in Biomedical Engineering University of Surrey Guildford Surrey GU2 7XH Tel: 01483 876775 Fax: 01483 879395 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 11:34:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31831; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:30:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:30:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.76.86.65] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fretless midi instrument Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:29:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2001 16:29:50.0050 (UTC) FILETIME=[846EF420:01C0976C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Kurzweill Expressionmate is an much lower-cost (obviously not as rich as feature set at less than 1/10 the price of a Continuus controller!) alternative worth investigating. There's a review at harmony-central.com. Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 12:06:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00613; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:05:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:05:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:03:00 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: way OT.....CY K DILLICS gig report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA00572 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great new Michael! Glad to hear it went so well... So can you get a regular gig at this place? Best, -Miko >>> Nemoguitt@aol.com 02/14/01 06:29PM >>> it was absolutly amazing, the pope could have been in the place and i couldnt have been calmer.....no stage freight..... WOW .....was that neat! that truely puts a different spin on things.....tonite was all guitar, just jammin over stuff adding a tid-bit here and there, a very forgiving gig.....two hours solo was a bit much, i started running out of ideas by the last 1/2 hour, i kept it pretty sedate, it would have been fun to freak but i wasnt going to blow my cover.....makes me want to get a bit more serious about this, i dont really know what that means, forgive me.....next time im takin the mighty casio and some pots and pans.....what a gas!.....i was truely SONIC WALLPAPER.....the mackies sounded soooo good and i didnt have them beyond 3 on the mixer, crushin, wonderful!.....dennis thanks for the good wishes, they worked!.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 12:46:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01638; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:44:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:44:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A8C1550.8D1EDBCF@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:43:46 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: way OT.....CY K DILLICS gig report References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > it was absolutly amazing, the pope could have been in the place and i > couldnt > have been calmer.....no stage freight..... WOW .....was that neat! > that > truely puts a different spin on things.....tonite was all guitar, just > jammin > over stuff adding a tid-bit here and there, a very forgiving > gig.....two > hours solo was a bit much, i started running out of ideas by the last > 1/2 > hour, i kept it pretty sedate, it would have been fun to freak but i > wasnt > going to blow my cover.....makes me want to get a bit more serious > about > this, i dont really know what that means, forgive me.....next time im > takin > the mighty casio and some pots and pans.....what a gas!.....i was > truely > SONIC WALLPAPER.....the mackies sounded soooo good and i didnt have > them > beyond 3 on the mixer, crushin, wonderful!.....dennis thanks for the > good > wishes, they worked!.....michael bravo, nemo-san! always good to hear of success... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 13:14:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02801; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:12:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:12:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: OT: Yamaha 01V To: LOOPERS-DELIGHT@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:07:23 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 02/15/2001 12:07:23 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As much as I'd love to ditch my day job, it does treat me well. Well enough, in fact, that I'm considdering dropping several thousand on a small home studio. To that end... Is anyone using an 01V? What is there to like or dislike? I'm thinking of picking one up as a front end to a DAW-based home studio. The way I see it, the 01V provides me: Mic pres. A/D/A converters to and from SPID/F, ADAT I/O. Dynamics and EQ on each channel while tracking. An REV500 effects unit. A motorized MIDI fader unit ofr DAW mixing and software synths/FX, etc. A 24 x 4 mixer. For $1500 or whatever, than seems like a steal. I think I'll pick up the ADAT out card and an RME Hammerfall Lite card for my computer. Anyone have comments about this solution? L From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 13:20:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03187; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:18:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:18:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A8C197A.11C83EC1@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:01:31 -0500 From: "roguemus@ix.netcom.com" Organization: Rogue Music X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Yamaha 01V References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the 01V definatly has the more bang for the buck. I might have a used 01V coming in on Friday which I will be selling for $1079 plus shipping. M lindsay@pavestone.com wrote: > As much as I'd love to ditch my day job, it does treat me well. Well > enough, in fact, that I'm considdering dropping several thousand on a small > home studio. To that end... > > Is anyone using an 01V? What is there to like or dislike? > > I'm thinking of picking one up as a front end to a DAW-based home studio. > The way I see it, the 01V provides me: > > Mic pres. > A/D/A converters to and from SPID/F, ADAT I/O. > Dynamics and EQ on each channel while tracking. > An REV500 effects unit. > A motorized MIDI fader unit ofr DAW mixing and software synths/FX, etc. > A 24 x 4 mixer. > > For $1500 or whatever, than seems like a steal. I think I'll pick up the > ADAT out card and an RME Hammerfall Lite card for my computer. Anyone have > comments about this solution? > > L From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 13:21:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03285; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:20:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:20:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c0977c$06bd9300$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: Re: Yamaha 01V Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:20:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <0I6A4.A.Xy.92Bj6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You will need better pre amp- so much of the sound comes from pre and mic- be sure to see if you will need additional analog i/o cards for it- that can get expensive on some systems- don't know about the o1v- cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 10:07 AM Subject: OT: Yamaha 01V > As much as I'd love to ditch my day job, it does treat me well. Well > enough, in fact, that I'm considdering dropping several thousand on a small > home studio. To that end... > > Is anyone using an 01V? What is there to like or dislike? > > I'm thinking of picking one up as a front end to a DAW-based home studio. > The way I see it, the 01V provides me: > > Mic pres. > A/D/A converters to and from SPID/F, ADAT I/O. > Dynamics and EQ on each channel while tracking. > An REV500 effects unit. > A motorized MIDI fader unit ofr DAW mixing and software synths/FX, etc. > A 24 x 4 mixer. > > For $1500 or whatever, than seems like a steal. I think I'll pick up the > ADAT out card and an RME Hammerfall Lite card for my computer. Anyone have > comments about this solution? > > L > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 13:34:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04025; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:32:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:32:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: Yamaha 01V To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:28:13 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 02/15/2001 12:28:12 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6HRfBD.A.h-.xCCj6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >You will need better pre amp- so much of the sound comes from pre and mic- >be sure to see if you will need additional analog i/o cards for it- that can >get expensive on some systems- don't know about the o1v- Yeah, I know. The good thing is, the way my collaborator and I make music, there are very few acoustic sources (just voice, and acoustic guitar on occasion)--so that picking up a decent tube mic pre or two (another can of worms) is not that onerous a proposition. Everything else is probably going to be direct. I will need the ADAT card, which is a couple of hundred extra, I believe. L From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 14:37:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06095; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:35:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:35:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.20010215193520.0068ddc8@subnet.virtual-pc.com> X-Sender: or387751@subnet.virtual-pc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:35:20 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: david cooper orton Subject: Re: What's the collective noun for UK loopers? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Evenin' all In response to Gareth's enquiry re: the idea of a Welsh loop evening, Dr. Mike wrote that something in London "might be a goer - after all, David "Terrible Puns" Orton is in London. Well, they are on occaision a little dubious but I don't know that they're terrible as such... Anyway, and by all manner of coincidences, I spend a greater partn of my week in Penarth (something to do with the wife responding to the inverse diaspora and so my valley girl has taken the family back to the land of my father in law (sufficient awful word-play for now?!). So yes sometimes I'm in Wales and sometimes in London but so far never in either place at the same time as anyone's respective gigs. Its not quite jet lag, but I do seem to know nearly every pebble on the M4 by sight... However, if anyone is at a loose end in Croydon this Sunday (and lets face it, many are) I'll be non-looping the blues and other related roots music variants at the Cartoon from about 3.30 onwards (Answers On A Postcard - and that's not one of mine). Cheers for now David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 14:37:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06042; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:35:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:35:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003901c0977c$06bd9300$7bb387d8@cliff> References: <003901c0977c$06bd9300$7bb387d8@cliff> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:33:47 -0800 To: From: Alex Stahl Subject: OT: Re: Yamaha 01V Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The 01V only has a single slot for one mini YGDAI card, so you have to choose between ADAT, TDIF, AES, or more analog I/O. We have a dozen of them at work for Avid monitor mixers/MIDI faders. They do provide a lot of functionality at a good price, although I find the dynamics processing less-than-subtle and the effects routing just-OK. There are a lot of submenus on a small LCD, but once you get used to it it isn't too hard to jump around. I made the mistake of mixing an elaborate multichannel theater piece live on the 01V's big brother (the 03D) once, and will never do that again, at least not without a complete Max automation front end. One on-topic anecdote: I don't make a distinction between "control room" and "studio" in my work space, so when I was doing loops of flute key clicks for a project, the 03D was in proximity to a high-gain mic. I kept hearing these odd sounding clicks jump out in the loop, and spent way too long bugging the flutist until we realized it was acoustic noise from the motorized faders. When you switch the fader bank from level control to aux send control, the faders all move to represent the current settings, which is nice, but beware that clacking noise when they hit the end of their slots! -Alex S. At 10:20 AM -0800 2/15/01, Clifford@BienAppraisers wrote: >You will need better pre amp- so much of the sound comes from pre and mic- >be sure to see if you will need additional analog i/o cards for it- that can >get expensive on some systems- don't know about the o1v- > >cliff > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 10:07 AM >Subject: OT: Yamaha 01V > > > > As much as I'd love to ditch my day job, it does treat me well. Well > > enough, in fact, that I'm considdering dropping several thousand on a >small > > home studio. To that end... > > > > Is anyone using an 01V? What is there to like or dislike? > > > > I'm thinking of picking one up as a front end to a DAW-based home studio. > > The way I see it, the 01V provides me: > > > > Mic pres. > > A/D/A converters to and from SPID/F, ADAT I/O. > > Dynamics and EQ on each channel while tracking. > > An REV500 effects unit. > > A motorized MIDI fader unit ofr DAW mixing and software synths/FX, etc. > > A 24 x 4 mixer. > > > > For $1500 or whatever, than seems like a steal. I think I'll pick up the > > ADAT out card and an RME Hammerfall Lite card for my computer. Anyone >have > > comments about this solution? > > > > L > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 15:00:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06974; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:58:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:58:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:00:19 -0800 Subject: Re: Yamaha 01V Message-ID: <20010215.120019.171.2.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-35 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tony Moore Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think you mentioned in your original post that you planned on using the 01v as a front end to a daw. do you plan on using th 01v to mix your recordings as well? i've owned an 01v and an 02r and wasn't impressed by either's converters, eq, or dynamics. i did like the automation, but if you're going the daw route, all that's a bit redundant as you have a myriad of options via software (and as big a screen as you can afford :-). you can buy alot better converters and pre's than the 01v provides. digital mixers are already becoming old news as daw's and their components come down in price. good luck! tony On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:28:13 -0600 lindsay@pavestone.com writes: > > >You will need better pre amp- so much of the sound comes from pre > and mic- > >be sure to see if you will need additional analog i/o cards for it- > that > can > >get expensive on some systems- don't know about the o1v- > > Yeah, I know. The good thing is, the way my collaborator and I make > music, > there are very few acoustic sources (just voice, and acoustic guitar > on > occasion)--so that picking up a decent tube mic pre or two (another > can of > worms) is not that onerous a proposition. Everything else is > probably > going to be direct. I will need the ADAT card, which is a couple of > hundred extra, I believe. > > L > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 15:09:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07784; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:08:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:08:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c0978a$d13d2420$e989e3a5@poo> From: "Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)" To: References: <200102151441.JAA28028@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: tempo considerations: answer to Miko B Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:06:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I could be mistaken, Miko, but I think the Batteries got that trick form the Ramones who actually would count, "one, two, three, four" at a blazing speed and start one of their fast songs. They would do this five songs in a row at exactly the same tempo and on the sixth song would give the same fast count and play a really slow, dredgey song, PERFECTLY in tempo. It was a hilarious and extremely well rehearsed piece of theater. About the Batteries. They did their very first gig opening for Tao Chemical (my band at the time that was starting to be pretty successful, regionally). On their first gig, they tore it up and were soooooo tight it was astonishing to me (we had learned to play by practically writing songs in public performance). I learned later that the genius behind the band (and the autocratic leader) Tony Canipe had made them rehearse, religiously several times a week for an entire year before he would let them play in public. I heard that it made band members grumble at the time but their debut was so damn impressive that they very quickly developed a rabid local following. I miss them!!!! There is something to say about really having your proverbial shit together when you perform. Steve Lawson impressed the hell out of me with his command of his gear the fluidity with which he changed 'parts' as he looped during the recent Solo Bass Looping Festival. ...........and...............a Welsh looping festival.................go Gareth!!!!!! I only wish I was independently wealthy so that I could trot around the world and perform at these exciting new events!!!! yours, in the loop, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 17:03:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11366; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:01:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:01:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c09799$0fad9b00$0d0c1a3f@oemcomputer> From: "become_1" To: References: <200102132359.SAA25345@hemlock.violacea.com> <005d01c09635$01d5dd40$8889e3a5@poo> Subject: Re: How can you play in the correct speed if you don't hear the drums first? Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:48:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2001 21:59:30.0681 (UTC) FILETIME=[929BB690:01C0979A] Resent-Message-ID: <3DRJzB.A.MvC.jFFj6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com now that you're back, Rick, how about posting this? > Another good thing to do is to learn how to play behind the beat or ahead of > the beat with total impunity. This is a longer discussion and if you or > anyone else wants to hear it, I'll be happy to > post a very cool trick I invented for teaching a rank beginner how to do > this against a metronomic track. Just let me know From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 17:19:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12005; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:18:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:18:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:16:30 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: tempo considerations: answer to Miko B Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA11961 Resent-Message-ID: <0xkr0D.A.J7C.2VFj6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I could be mistaken, Miko, but I think the Batteries got that trick form the Ramones who actually would count, "one, two, three, four" at a blazing speed and start one of their fast songs. They would do this five songs in a row at exactly the same tempo and on the sixth song would give the same fast count and play a really slow, dredgey song, PERFECTLY in tempo. It was a hilarious and extremely well rehearsed piece of theater. You're probably right on that Rick... I just loved Tony and give him major credit for making the scene so damn much fun back then. > About the Batteries. They did their very first gig opening for Tao Chemical (my band at the time that was starting to be pretty successful, regionally). On their first gig, they tore it up and were soooooo tight it was astonishing to me (we had learned to play by practically writing songs in public performance). I learned later that the genius behind the band (and the autocratic leader) Tony Canipe had made them rehearse, religiously several times a week for an entire year before he would let them play in public. I heard that it made band members grumble at the time but their debut was so damn impressive that they very quickly developed a rabid local following. I miss them!!!! I got to play with Tony a few times, and have to say it was so fun... he's such a loose cannon. > There is something to say about really having your proverbial shit together when you perform. Steve Lawson impressed the hell out of me with his command of his gear the fluidity with which he changed 'parts' as he looped during the recent Solo Bass Looping Festival. The music doesn't necessarily have to be canned... but knowing your gear and being prepared to really use it does. I'm still kicking myself for missing that show! Dimmit!!! > ...........and...............a Welsh looping festival.................go Gareth!!!!!! I only wish I was independently wealthy so that I could trot around the world and perform at these exciting new events!!!! I second that... Go Gareth!!! It might make sense to plan a 3 or 4 day weekend in the future visiting Texas, (Jimmy George and Bobdog land) or Philly-DC sorta area, where Michael K. and a number of other loopers live... and get things planned. We could probably have our gear very carefully packaged here where I work in the supremo shipping department, and have it arrive at our first stop... rent a van and play 3 times... then pack it back into the crate and ship it all back. Food for thought... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 18:21:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14338; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:19:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:19:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010215231856.1813.qmail@web4405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:18:56 -0800 (PST) From: ashley adams Subject: delay unit for bass To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello! I'm new to the list and I was looking for some advice. I play doublebass and I was interested in incorporating loops into my performance. I am looking to find a looping device that is good for the bass range, easy to perform with (foot switch?) and is of performance quality. Any suggestions? -Ashley __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 18:27:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14700; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:25:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:25:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAE51@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: delay unit for bass Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:24:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C097A6.73103060" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C097A6.73103060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" hi ashely. you play with philip greenlief (or have)? caught you all in l.a. many a moon ago. most of 'em are good for the bass range (in my view). i'll let the other folks fill you in on the specs and opinions. stig -----Original Message----- From: ashley adams [mailto:ps_ashleyadams@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 3:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: delay unit for bass Hello! I'm new to the list and I was looking for some advice. I play doublebass and I was interested in incorporating loops into my performance. I am looking to find a looping device that is good for the bass range, easy to perform with (foot switch?) and is of performance quality. Any suggestions? -Ashley __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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hi ashely. you play with philip greenlief (or have)? = caught you all in l.a. many a moon ago.

most of 'em are good for the bass range (in my view). = i'll let the other folks fill you in on the specs and opinions.

stig

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Hello!
I'm new to the list and I was looking for some = advice.
I play doublebass and I was interested in
incorporating loops into my performance. I am = looking
to find a looping device that is good for the = bass
range, easy to perform with (foot switch?) and is = of
performance quality. Any suggestions?
-Ashley

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C097A6.73103060-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 18:38:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15530; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:36:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:36:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.127] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: delay unit for bass Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:35:49 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2001 23:35:49.0756 (UTC) FILETIME=[073493C0:01C097A8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ashley....It depends on how far you want to go with your loops. Loop bases composing (even with just a bass) can go very deep. You said you play the doublebass...is that pickup equipped? And do you have a pre/power amp and speakers? All the rack mount loopers can be controlled via footswitches (check the continuing thread here about the soon-to-be Repeater), but they are a bit pricey. Throwing down a thousand bucks to play with loops (I know...street prices for all are below a grand, but with all the extras like a rack...footswitches etc.....oh, several months ago I did see a JamMan on eBay for $800!!!)may seem a bit steep. I use a JamMan and a Line6 DL4 on bass, and both work great. Overall, the DL4 may be a little more "user-friendly" (and definately wallet-friendly!) and it is a footpedal. I have found that a lot of us bass/loopers are using the DL4 (to echo Rick Walker here: Steve Lawson's work on the DL4 in Santa Cruz recently was stunning....like attending a looper's Master Class). So check out the Line 6 DL4 Delay Modeler. In addition to the loop sampler you alaso get 15 great vintage delay models to play around with.... LoopityLoop....Max Valentino >From: ashley adams >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: delay unit for bass >Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:18:56 -0800 (PST) > >Hello! >I'm new to the list and I was looking for some advice. >I play doublebass and I was interested in >incorporating loops into my performance. I am looking >to find a looping device that is good for the bass >range, easy to perform with (foot switch?) and is of >performance quality. Any suggestions? >-Ashley > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 >a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 19:05:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16232; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:56:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:56:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:59:12 -0800 Subject: Re: delay unit for bass Message-ID: <20010215.155913.171.4.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-10,12-42 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tony Moore Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yup, i agree with stig. most of the frequency response complaints won't apply to your doghouse :-) i loop the contra too and really like the line 6 dl4 and the boomerang. you can get crazy with the edp, jamman, etc. but the dl4 and boomerang are intuitive, sound good, and portable. i'd love to know when you gig around la! take care, tony On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:24:31 -0500 "Liebig, Steuart A." writes: > hi ashely. you play with philip greenlief (or have)? caught you all > in l.a. > many a moon ago. > > most of 'em are good for the bass range (in my view). i'll let the > other > folks fill you in on the specs and opinions. > > stig > > -----Original Message----- > From: ashley adams [mailto:ps_ashleyadams@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 3:19 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: delay unit for bass > > > Hello! > I'm new to the list and I was looking for some advice. > I play doublebass and I was interested in > incorporating loops into my performance. I am looking > to find a looping device that is good for the bass > range, easy to perform with (foot switch?) and is of > performance quality. Any suggestions? > -Ashley > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 19:13:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17248; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:11:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:11:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:14:09 -0800 Subject: la loopers? Message-ID: <20010215.161409.171.5.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-9 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tony Moore Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com any la loopers wanna get together for an informal jam somewhere? i'm finally settled in here and ready to get out a bit :-) feel free to pmail or call. take care, tony tony-moore@juno.com 818-563-6514 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 19:31:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17826; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:29:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:29:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:17:02 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: la loopers? In-reply-to: <20010215.161409.171.5.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <20010215.161409.171.5.tony-moore@juno.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:14 PM -0800 2/15/01, Tony Moore wrote: >any la loopers wanna get together for an informal jam somewhere? I'm in Sherman Oaks. (818) 788-2202. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 19:48:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18287; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:46:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:46:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAE54@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: gig spam Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:45:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C097B1.BB77A580" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C097B1.BB77A580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" this one has real notes, melodies and rhythms . . . (and everyone in the band is pretty decent, too) Scot Ray Q U I N T E T K N I T T I N G F A C T O R Y H O L L Y W O O D NELS CLINE - GUITAR, (some loopage) STEUART LIEBIG - BASS, (some loopage) JEFF GAUTHIER - VIOLINS ALEX CLINE - DRUMS & PERCUSSION SCOT RAY - TROMBONE & COMPOSITIONS SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 18TH 8:30PM (2 SETS) / $8 COVER 7021 HOLLYWOOD BOULEVARD KNITTING FACTORY HOLLYWOOD *A L T E R K N I T* + hear what some of the fuss was about (if you can actually get this small station) anna homler: voice, toys (maybe loopage) steuart liebig: basses, implements loopage glossolia wednesday, 21 feb, 10 p.m.-11 p.m. KXLU 88.9 fm ------_=_NextPart_001_01C097B1.BB77A580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable gig spam

this one has real notes, melodies and rhythms . . . = (and everyone in the band is pretty decent, too)

Scot Ray
Q   U   I   = N   T   E  T
K N I T T I N G  F A C T O R Y  H O L L Y = W O O D

NELS CLINE - GUITAR, (some loopage)
STEUART LIEBIG - BASS, (some loopage)
JEFF GAUTHIER - VIOLINS
ALEX CLINE - DRUMS & PERCUSSION
SCOT RAY - TROMBONE & COMPOSITIONS

SUNDAY,  FEBRUARY 18TH
8:30PM (2 SETS) / $8 COVER
7021 HOLLYWOOD BOULEVARD
KNITTING FACTORY HOLLYWOOD
*A      = L      T     = E     R     = K      N      = I      T*

+

hear what some of the fuss was about (if you can = actually get this small station)

anna homler: voice, toys (maybe loopage)
steuart liebig: basses, implements loopage
glossolia
wednesday, 21 feb, 10 p.m.-11 p.m.
KXLU 88.9 fm

------_=_NextPart_001_01C097B1.BB77A580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 20:15:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19394; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:13:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:13:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c097b5$7d770240$7c0c78d8@com> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <20010215.161409.171.5.tony-moore@juno.com> Subject: Sherman Oaks (was: la loopers?) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:12:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Me too-- (818) 625-4744 Looping guitar and Starr Labs Ztar with an Echoplex and PMC-10 Still trying to do like Steve Lawson said and have control over everything Can't add another looper til I master all this stuff But would love to jam Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar responded to Tony Moore posting > >any la loopers wanna get together for an informal jam somewhere? > > I'm in Sherman Oaks. > > (818) 788-2202. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 20:54:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20370; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:50:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:50:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <8b.2722ad8.27bde135@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:49:41 EST Subject: Re: gig spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8b.2722ad8.27bde135_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: <3xMyNC.A.69E.WdIj6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_8b.2722ad8.27bde135_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/15/01 7:46:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes: > this one has real notes, melodies and rhythms . . . (and everyone in the > band is pretty decent, too) > heck, why go to that!.....:).....michael --part1_8b.2722ad8.27bde135_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/15/01 7:46:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes:


this one has real notes, melodies and rhythms . . . (and everyone in the
band is pretty decent, too)


heck, why go to that!.....:).....michael --part1_8b.2722ad8.27bde135_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 15 23:19:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24526; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:16:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:16:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "J. Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Sherman Oaks (was: la loopers?) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:15:17 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <001901c097b5$7d770240$7c0c78d8@com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2nGDJB.A.u-F.zlKj6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I loved that show on HBO. That was cool... | -----Original Message----- | From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:relayonemanband@cts.com] | Sent: Thursday 15 February 2001 5:12 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: Sherman Oaks (was: la loopers?) | | | Me too-- | (818) 625-4744 | Looping guitar and Starr Labs Ztar with an Echoplex and PMC-10 | Still trying to do like Steve Lawson said and have control over | everything | Can't add another looper til I master all this stuff | But would love to jam | Gary | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Richard Zvonar responded to Tony Moore posting | > >any la loopers wanna get together for an informal jam somewhere? | > | > I'm in Sherman Oaks. | > | > (818) 788-2202. | | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 00:35:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26642; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:33:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:33:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010216053204.10369.qmail@web5105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:32:04 -0800 (PST) From: Alx Subject: Z. Vex´s Stompbox looper... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000501c09719$56340440$c9936fd4@y5w2s5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I just read this post by Zachary Vex on Ampage web site and wanted to share it: "i've just completed the lo-fi loop junkie. includes high-impedance bootstrapped preamp, vibrato depth/speed, record level, loop level, and tone. 20 seconds, analog voltage storage at 8 bits quality (approximately) in digital memory. 1590B, 9 volts, 5 knobs, two switches (rec/play, bypass/start). draws 15mA during play, 12mA during record, 2.5 mA during bypass. recorded signal compressed to the point of madness. should be available in april. have to work out a pc board and parts availability. zachary vex" Alx. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 00:57:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27325; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:56:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:56:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c097dd$e3081c20$92936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <000501c09719$56340440$c9936fd4@y5w2s5> <003801c0974c$57fa3d20$2e7cff3e@default> Subject: Re: UK loopers where are you ? Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:30:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm in South Wales and I have my eye on a venue in Cardiff - a pub where they have jazz evenings and rather more exotic stuff on occasions. your setup looks cool - what style ? Gareth > I would certainly be interested. Where in Wales are you? I live in > Staffordshire. > > I am new to looping I play a Yamaha VL1 synth with a WX11 wind controller. > This goes through a Jamman and a Line 6 DL4. > > If any other loopers would like to get together please drop me a line. > > Cheers > > Martin > > -- > Martin Shakeshaft > > A child of five could understand this. Fetch me a child of five - Groucho > Marx > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: whiteoakstudios > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 6:37 PM > Subject: Re: UK loopers where are you ? > > > > I'm looking into the idea of a Welsh loop evening. Anyone up for it ? > > > > WARNING : No-one's going to get rich by being involved but it could be a > > gas. > > > > Gareth > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 00:58:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27328; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:56:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:56:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c097dd$e4810080$92936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" , "Loopers-Delight" References: <006d01c0975f$f9e69760$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Subject: Re: What's the collective noun for UK loopers? Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:36:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There seem to be at least 3 loopers from the big smoke here. Why don't you hire a charabang and pop down the M4 - it's only a few hours drive and you could share fuel costs. Gareth > > Would love to, but have since given up the Land of My Fathers (or rather > isLand, being from Anglesey) for the grim temptations of London... > > Martin: > >I would certainly be interested. Where in Wales are you? I live in > >Staffordshire. > > You mean there are people in Staffordshire? ;) > (I jest; for those outside the UK, Staffs seems to be the new home of prog > rock) > > Stephen: > >Arrgh, stuck in London again... no car here I'm afraid. But should anyone > >in this burg would like to jam, lemme know. > > This might be a goer - after all, David "Terrible Puns" Orton is in London. > Any other takers? > > Mike > > PS For those who have long memories, I used to be on this list, like, ages > ago (and lived in Glasgow)... have ended up researching on acoustics of > electric guitars (for reasons I don't entirely understand). At least it > lets me play with the guitars, as I seem to have no time to play the things > (hence my lurkitude) > > Dr Mike Hughes > Lecturer in Biomedical Engineering > University of Surrey > Guildford Surrey GU2 7XH > Tel: 01483 876775 Fax: 01483 879395 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 01:20:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28234; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 01:17:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 01:17:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 22:16:21 -0800 Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle]: Electrochakra @ Monkey Pub, Saturday 2/17/01 From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id BAA28195 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Electrochakra will be playing this Saturday, February 17th, at the Monkey Pub (5305 Roosevelt Avenue NE), with special guest Scott Adams. Scott will do a solo set of his tunes at 8PM, and Electrochakra will go on at 9. Admission is $3, and copies of our latest CD will be available. We don't want a repeat of the troubles from the last show, so please: € Don't linger in the parking lot--the cops have been cracking down on the tailgate parties and camping-ground get-togethers. Remember--just asking someone if "they are now or have ever been affiliated with any law-enforcement agency" does no good. € No stage diving. It's an insurance nightmare, and people get hurt. € If you see someone collapse in the audience, give them space and let the medical personal evacuate them to the medical tent. The medics will be wearing yellow jumpsuits with large red crosses on the back and the word "MEDIC"--please let them do their job and give them all the space they need. € Don't climb on the PA towers--they're not designed to hold audience members, and the insurance guys freak out. € Tapers must stay in the Tapers' Section. Please don't block someone else's view with your mics, booms, etc. There is no surcharge for taper tickets at this show. € Avoid the brown acid. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Electrochakra -- MP3's and calendar of upcoming shows available at: www.mp3.com/electrochakra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 02:19:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30671; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 02:17:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 02:17:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006d01c0975f$f9e69760$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> References: <006d01c0975f$f9e69760$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 05:25:28 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: What's the collective noun for UK loopers? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, good you are back my friend! As soon as you "understand" the guitars, you will start to really play them! :-) Anything you can share with us about guitar acoustics? > > >PS For those who have long memories, I used to be on this list, like, ages >ago (and lived in Glasgow)... have ended up researching on acoustics of >electric guitars (for reasons I don't entirely understand). At least it >lets me play with the guitars, as I seem to have no time to play the things >(hence my lurkitude) > >Dr Mike Hughes >Lecturer in Biomedical Engineering >University of Surrey >Guildford Surrey GU2 7XH >Tel: 01483 876775 Fax: 01483 879395 -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 02:50:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31313; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 02:48:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 02:48:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006901c09724$6c6d67a0$8ffc173f@vaio> Reply-To: "Kevin Goldsmith" From: "Kevin Goldsmith" To: References: Subject: Re: Gig Spam [Seattle]: Electrochakra @ Monkey Pub, Saturday 2/17/01 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:52:59 -0800 Organization: Unit Circle Media MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com excellent! Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 02:52:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31523; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 02:51:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 02:51:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c09724$d8fc3cc0$8ffc173f@vaio> Reply-To: "Kevin Goldsmith" From: "Kevin Goldsmith" To: Subject: Gig Spam (Seattle): Transatlantic Ice Floe - Monday, Feb 19 @ I-Spy Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:56:46 -0800 Organization: Unit Circle Media MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Following the music festival-cum-Circus that is electroshakra, please join the seismic trio of Transatlantic Ice Floe on Monday night at the I-Spy club as part of the Sil2k series. This is our debut performance and we'll be up first. The group features Kevin Goldsmith (me) of Intonarumori, Stuart McCleod of SubSonic and Robert Henson. Kevin Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 04:17:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01271; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 04:15:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 04:15:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <90.103c19da.27be4972@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 04:14:26 EST Subject: Re: Gear suggestions - re: Lexicon Vortex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I recently ran across a used Lexicon Vortex, mint condition, the seller > wants DM 300.- (around $150 ?). I currently use a setup w/ a mixer, a > Digitech StudioQuad, Sony HR-GP5, MAM RS3 Filter, Digitech RDS2001, > Headrush, DL4, AX1000G and hopefully soon a repeater for synths, bass, > trombone, sax and vocal processing. hi Rainer the Vortex will do stuff that your other stuff won't. especially good for stereo textures & extreme processing. ...and the price looks good.(worth much more) ...be warned that you need to read the manual pretty thoroughly to get the best out of it on the whole, not a chance to be missed, Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 04:31:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01870; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 04:30:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 04:30:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005101c097fb$05bafd60$067d7d7d@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <006d01c0975f$f9e69760$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> <000601c097dd$e4810080$92936fd4@y5w2s5> Subject: Re: What's the collective noun for UK loopers? Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:29:50 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > There seem to be at least 3 loopers from the big smoke here. Why don't you > hire a charabang and pop down the M4 - it's only a few hours drive and you > could share fuel costs. "big smoke"? "charabang"? Oh god, more colloquialisms! :) Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery.html - Online Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 08:40:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07482; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 08:36:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 08:36:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Brian Hamlin To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: found on the web Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:28:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on a japanese site selling Mp3 CD players http://www.pax.co.jp/images/intro.swf b This message is for the use of the named person only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 09:24:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08663; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:22:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:22:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c09824$9d6bb4a0$17b46fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <1.5.4.32.20010215193520.0068ddc8@subnet.virtual-pc.com> Subject: Re: Llive llooping, Cardiff, Wales Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 06:25:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'll be playing live in Cardiff on the last Wednesday of this month using cheap guitars, (including my Beezzarre geetarre) and African percussion through a Kyma system. The music is VERY eastern sounding, (no, I don't mean Kent). There may be an element of oud, clock chimes, toys and/or pipes of various lengths - who knows ? Other offerings may include medieval music, East European music, free form jazz, acousmatic stuff, dancing, stripping, live sex etc etc The usual offering of 1/2 pint of warm beer to any loopers' delight members on production of a valid loopers' delight membership card. Gareth, (One Man Tribe) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 09:24:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08669; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:23:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:23:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ff01c09824$34e2d760$c82cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <005401c0978a$d13d2420$e989e3a5@poo> Subject: UK loopers and Rick's kind words... Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:40:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > There is something to say about really having your proverbial shit > together when you perform. > Steve Lawson impressed the hell out of me with his command of his gear the > fluidity with which he changed 'parts' as he looped during the recent Solo > Bass Looping Festival. Thanks for that Rick - not wanting to make this sound like we're swapping compliments by I can heartily recommend Rick's loop pool CD - using a mixture of found sound, vocal, instrumental and electronic sources, Rick has created a highly modified texture, leaving some of the sources recogniseable while other textures have morphed into sounds hitherto unheard. Fortunately, it doesn't dwell on strange noises for the sake of it, and Rick's percussive background is evident in the subtley shifting rhythmic stuff that goes on all the way through (and his awesome use of modified 'human beatbox' mouth percussion, which makes me laugh everytime it comes round, and sounds so fresh)... there are some great musical ideas, baffling processing and technical ideas, and it all makes reading his posts to the list even more enjoyable! Hopefully his website will be up and running before long and you'll all be able to get the CD... ...anyway... > ...........and...............a Welsh looping festival.................go > Gareth!!!!!! I only wish I was independently wealthy so that I could trot > around the world and perform at these exciting > new events!!!! I'm up for playing at a gathering like this - maybe we can do a series of them around the country - London, Wales, and somewhere 'up north'... Keep talking everyone, and lets see what we can come up with... cheers Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com "Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight, You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight" - Bruce Cockburn March 2nd - David Friesen live in London, supported by me. gig at 8pm, jazz workshop at 2pm - see www.solobassnetwork.org.uk for more info. BE THERE!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 11:15:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11658; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:13:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:13:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010216161249.9034.qmail@web110.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 08:12:49 -0800 (PST) From: keith mckenney Subject: public art (looping websites) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1728880202-982339969=:8028" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1728880202-982339969=:8028 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii that is a nice loop at http://www.pax.co.jp/images/intro.swf You can also find a couple of loops at http://www.ralphamerica.com , the Residents' merch site (you'll need a flash plug-in). Play them all at once and hypnotize your co-workers! I'd love to know of anymore sites w/loops...please post any you know. thanks -Uncle Duane --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. --0-1728880202-982339969=:8028 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

that is a nice loop at http://www.pax.co.jp/images/intro.swf   

You can also find a couple of loops at http://www.ralphamerica.com , the Residents' merch site (you'll need a flash plug-in). Play them all at once and hypnotize your co-workers!

I'd love to know of anymore sites w/loops...please post any you know.

thanks

-Uncle Duane


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0983B.E71A62F4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 12:40:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13742; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:38:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:38:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:31:45 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Llive llooping, Cardiff, Wales To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <010b01c0983e$55ca4ed0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <1.5.4.32.20010215193520.0068ddc8@subnet.virtual-pc.com> <000201c09824$9d6bb4a0$17b46fd4@y5w2s5> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com cool. have you performed before with the kyma? i am still at the crawling stages with mine, but it seems like it would be great for live performance. are you using the laptop interface or hauling a desktop system around? ----- Original Message ----- From: "whiteoakstudios" To: Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 12:25 AM Subject: Re: Llive llooping, Cardiff, Wales > Hi, > I'll be playing live in Cardiff on the last Wednesday of this month using > cheap guitars, (including my Beezzarre geetarre) and African percussion > through a Kyma system. > The music is VERY eastern sounding, (no, I don't mean Kent). There may be an > element of oud, clock chimes, toys and/or pipes of various lengths - who > knows ? > Other offerings may include medieval music, East European music, free form > jazz, acousmatic stuff, dancing, stripping, live sex etc etc > > The usual offering of 1/2 pint of warm beer to any loopers' delight members > on production of a valid loopers' delight membership card. > > Gareth, (One Man Tribe) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 12:54:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14269; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:51:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:51:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:56:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: public art (looping websites) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >that is a nice loop at http://www.pax.co.jp/images/intro.swf > >You can also find a couple of loops at http://www.ralphamerica.com , the >Residents' merch site (you'll need a flash plug-in). Play them all at once >and hypnotize your co-workers! > >I'd love to know of anymore sites w/loops...please post any you know. > I hate to be too self-promotional, but I have a modular synth loop running under the obligatory, pointless, bandwidth-wasting flash animation intro to my website: http://www.newandimprov.com Good for about 20 seconds of entertainment! ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 13:51:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16002; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:48:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:48:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010216184655.20430.qmail@web109.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:46:55 -0800 (PST) From: keith mckenney Subject: generative music apps To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1380516906-982349215=:19155" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1380516906-982349215=:19155 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Has anyone used any of SSEYO's applications (KOAN, freedrum, & such)? --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? - Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - only $35 a year! --0-1380516906-982349215=:19155 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Has anyone used any of SSEYO's applications (KOAN, freedrum, & such)?


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Mail Personal Address - only $35 a year! --0-1380516906-982349215=:19155-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 14:12:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17147; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:10:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:10:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A8D7B2E.F2350B60@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:13:44 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Llive llooping, Cardiff, Wales References: <1.5.4.32.20010215193520.0068ddc8@subnet.virtual-pc.com> <000201c09824$9d6bb4a0$17b46fd4@y5w2s5> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com whiteoakstudios wrote: > Hi, > I'll be playing live in Cardiff on the last Wednesday of this month using > cheap guitars, (including my Beezzarre geetarre) and African percussion > through a Kyma system. > The music is VERY eastern sounding, (no, I don't mean Kent). There may be an > element of oud, clock chimes, toys and/or pipes of various lengths - who > knows ? > Other offerings may include medieval music, East European music, free form > jazz, acousmatic stuff, dancing, stripping, live sex etc etc > > The usual offering of 1/2 pint of warm beer to any loopers' delight members > on production of a valid loopers' delight membership card. > > Gareth, (One Man Tribe) this sounds splendid. good show. please let us know when to tune in to the live webcast :-) lance g. (in california, or i'd...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 14:42:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18291; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:40:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:40:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.163.54.43] From: "Denis Aldrich" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Home brew looper Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:39:25 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2001 19:39:26.0183 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B8CD770:01C09850] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anybody look at RadioShacks ISD 2500 Series chip for looping? The chip is normally used for message machines. The series stores 32, to 120 sec and cost about $20. Denis _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 15:29:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20058; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:26:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:26:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <051301c09855$7d23bc70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Home brew looper Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:17:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think this the same chip used in the Jameco kits? I remember looking at these. As I recall, there's two problems: 1) not an easy (i.e., built-in) way to end recording and begin endless, looping playback and 2) no overdub capability. Nevertheless, it would be really cool to put together a DIY kit with one of these chips and some "glue" components. It would be fun to have a whole bunch of little looper boxes, even if they didn't have a lot of features. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denis Aldrich" To: Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 2:39 PM Subject: Home brew looper > Anybody look at RadioShacks ISD 2500 Series chip for looping? The chip is > normally used for message machines. The series stores 32, to 120 sec and > cost about $20. > Denis > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 15:36:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20517; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:33:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:33:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:32:48 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Z.=20Vex=B4s=20Stompbox=20looper...?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 114 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com z.vex; << "i've just completed the lo-fi loop junkie. includes high-impedance bootstrapped preamp, vibrato depth/speed, record level, loop level, and tone. 20 seconds, analog voltage storage at 8 bits quality (approximately) in digital memory. 1590B, 9 volts, 5 knobs, two switches (rec/play, bypass/start). draws 15mA during play, 12mA during record, 2.5 mA during bypass. recorded signal compressed to the point of madness. should be available in april. have to work out a pc board and parts availability. >> - my hero. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 15:43:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20913; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:41:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:41:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c09858$ed3e4900$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: References: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Z._Vex=B4s_Stompbox_looper...?= Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:42:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I want one. I want a Super Hard On too- I want any Z-Vex pedal- someone send me one please- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 12:32 PM Subject: Re: Z. Vex´s Stompbox looper... > z.vex; > > << "i've just completed the lo-fi loop junkie. includes > high-impedance bootstrapped preamp, vibrato > depth/speed, record level, loop level, and tone. 20 > seconds, analog voltage storage at 8 bits quality > (approximately) in digital memory. 1590B, 9 volts, 5 > knobs, two switches (rec/play, bypass/start). draws > 15mA during play, 12mA during record, 2.5 mA during > bypass. > > recorded signal compressed to the point of madness. > > should be available in april. have to work out a pc > board and parts availability. >> > > - my hero. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 17:37:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26421; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:34:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:34:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:33:17 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200102162233.f1GMXHA01055@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: Home brew looper Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com any of our local electronic geeks up to the task..? >Nevertheless, it would be really cool to put together a DIY kit with one of >these chips and some "glue" components. It would be fun to have a whole >bunch of little looper boxes, even if they didn't have a lot of features. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 17:39:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27138; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:38:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:38:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: global@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:53:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: global@cruzio.com (Rick Walker) Subject: Re: posting about learning how to bend time in performance Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com become_1 wrote now that you're back, Rick, how about posting this? I'm going through a major clean install preparatory to start producing an electronic dance record for a South African record company and I am now typing on an antiquated Mac (Duo 231, the only model of Mac ever made that DIDN'T support midi). I'm swamped for a few weeks but I promise I'll send that in when I get some breathing room. Not being coy here but I have to really think hard about how to convey this information with words as it is an experiential lesson that I give to my students. I'll be back soon, I promise, Rick (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 17:53:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27747; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:51:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:51:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:50:17 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200102162250.f1GMoGA05547@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: OT Pedal trade OT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA27722 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there loopers, I have an Electroharmonix Deluxe memory man (no reissue) and the ultra vintage SOUL KISS (new old stock, never ever used) and I´d like to trade them for a lovetone Ring stinger Ring modulator, Maybe the loopers in england could help me... Andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 17:53:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27875; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:51:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:51:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c601c0986b$5d869e80$fb89353f@w0y7i0> From: "Busyditch" To: Subject: Re: generative music apps Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:54:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C09841.72099260" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C09841.72099260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I received a shareware version of KOAN several years ago, and I found it = to be a real joy to use. It has so many parameters that its a bit hard = to get used to at first, but once you have it down, it can be a real = blast. I finally bought a registered version, as I felt it was time to = be able to save my work. And having a manual to explain things really = helps, too. I recommend it highly. busyditch -----Original Message----- From: keith mckenney To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' = Date: Friday, February 16, 2001 1:48 PM Subject: generative music apps =20 =20 Has anyone used any of SSEYO's applications (KOAN, freedrum, & = such)? =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- =20 Do You Yahoo!? - Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail Personal Address = - only $35 a year! ------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C09841.72099260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I received a shareware version of = KOAN several=20 years ago, and I found it to be a real joy to use. It has so many = parameters=20 that its a bit hard to get used to at first, but once you have it down, = it can=20 be a real blast. I finally bought a registered version, as I felt it was = time to=20 be able to save my work. And having a manual to explain things really = helps,=20 too. I recommend it highly.
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Date:=20 Friday, February 16, 2001 1:48 PM
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- Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail Personal = Address -=20 only $35 a year! ------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C09841.72099260-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 18:40:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30044; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:31:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:31:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAE5E@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_Z=2E_Vex=B4s_Stompbox_looper=2E=2E=2E?= Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:30:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C09870.6A5E06C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09870.6A5E06C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" howdy, i talked with mister z vex at the namm show about the 20-sec looper. i think that it is going to be very, very limited (even for a guy like me). this is what i understood after our conversation: it doesn't do any sort of tap tempo. in that way it's like a pds-8000 or eh-16. at that point it did not have the capability to do any sort of pitch/time change that you can do with the pds-8000/eh-16, etc. when i mentioned that this would be a very desirable feature, he talked about some sort of cv pedal that one could plug in to bend the time - - which would be pretty darn cool. from what i could tell, there will be no reverse capability. my impression was that he had not done a whole lot of research into the looping world. as he's sort of a mad scientist, it may be a sort of mount everest thing for him . . . as this was about a month ago, i have no idea how current this info is. i'm pretty interested in the whole idea, but wonder how useful it'll be for most of the people on this list. so . . . dated info? dunno. we'll see . . . stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09870.6A5E06C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Z. Vex=B4s Stompbox looper...

howdy,

i talked with mister z vex at the namm show about the = 20-sec looper. i think that it is going to be very, very limited (even = for a guy like me).

this is what i understood after our = conversation:

it doesn't do any sort of tap tempo. in that way it's = like a pds-8000 or eh-16.

at that point it did not have the capability to do = any sort of pitch/time change that you can do with the pds-8000/eh-16, = etc. when i mentioned that this would be a very desirable feature, he = talked about some sort of cv pedal that one could plug in to bend the = time - - which would be pretty darn cool.

from what i could tell, there will be no reverse = capability.

my impression was that he had not done a whole lot of = research into the looping world. as he's sort of a mad scientist, it = may be a sort of mount everest thing for him . . .

as this was about a month ago, i have no idea how = current this info is. i'm pretty interested in the whole idea, but = wonder how useful it'll be for most of the people on this list. =

so . . . dated info? dunno. we'll see . . .

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C09870.6A5E06C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 16 21:09:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02374; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 21:06:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 21:06:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A8DE0F2.CFA@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:24:51 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping Gear for sale References: <00c601c0986b$5d869e80$fb89353f@w0y7i0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I Jamman (maximum memory) 500.00 I Echoplex and footswitch(maximum memory) 900.00 I Nightbass SGX/SE 300.00 I ART Quadra FX(2 stereo channels) 175.00 I Behringer Ultrafex pro 75.00 Everything and the 6-space rack it comes in 2000.00 or best offer.. Happy Looping, Kungha From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 17 10:25:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20027; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:22:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:22:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006301c098f5$1309e940$edab5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #204 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:19:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #204 February 15, 2001. On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Kubusschnitt, a band whose four members are each from a different European country. The feature CD at Midnight was "The Cube" on the Neu Harmony label. I also played the music of Kit Watkins who will perform at the next Gathering. Kubusschnitt http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#feb The Gathering http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm P. Namlook & T. Inoue Have You Ever Retired... Shades of Orion (FAX) RMI Zabriske Point Zabriske Point (Centaur) VA [eM] The Small Life Archipelago Sampler (The Foundry) Steve Jolliffe Enter Omni (Horizon Music) Kit Watkins Rolling Curve - Part I Rolling Curve (mp3.com) 12:00 am Kubusschnitt Cube Jodrell Bank (Neu Harmony) Kubusschnitt Wormhole Jodrell Bank (Neu Harmony) Kubusschnitt Ra Jodrell Bank (Neu Harmony) Kubusschnitt Alpha Three * Jodrell Bank (Neu Harmony) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Kubusschnitt, a pan- European band of people from Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, and the UK. Next week's feature CD at midnight will be a pre-release CD-R of "The Singularity" which will be on the Neu Harmony label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 17 12:41:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23698; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 12:39:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 12:39:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Vol 3 CD info Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 12:38:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2001 17:38:14.0856 (UTC) FILETIME=[67EA2480:01C09908] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What's up with the link for the Loopers Delight Vol 3 CD info on LD's home page? Is the link coming soon, has Vol 3 been completed already, or is my browser just crappin out on me again? Thanks, Pete. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 17 15:30:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28425; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 15:26:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 15:26:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02bb01c09920$1b7db400$fb89353f@w0y7i0> From: "Busyditch" To: "loopers delight" Subject: Maestro echoplex FS Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 15:27:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com contact me privately From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 17 17:14:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32070; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 17:11:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 17:11:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:09:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Vol 3 CD info Resent-Message-ID: <2tS4zD.A.6xH.jbvj6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:38 AM -0800 2/17/01, Pete Mundt wrote: >What's up with the link for the Loopers Delight Vol 3 CD info on LD's home >page? Is the link coming soon, has Vol 3 been completed already, or is my >browser just crappin out on me again? >Thanks, >Pete. the guy who agreed to do volume 3 vanished off the face of the earth a couple of years ago. I have no idea what happened to him or that project, it certainly never got finished. I keep forgetting to remove the link off the site. If anybody else wants to organize a Looper's Delight Volume 3 cd project, please go right ahead! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 17 18:29:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01405; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:26:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:26:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c09939$04a85460$8d83abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: References: Subject: R: Vol 3 CD info Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:12:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com and count me in ! ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Flint To: Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 11:09 PM Subject: Re: Vol 3 CD info > At 9:38 AM -0800 2/17/01, Pete Mundt wrote: > >What's up with the link for the Loopers Delight Vol 3 CD info on LD's home > >page? Is the link coming soon, has Vol 3 been completed already, or is my > >browser just crappin out on me again? > >Thanks, > >Pete. > > the guy who agreed to do volume 3 vanished off the face of the earth a > couple of years ago. I have no idea what happened to him or that project, > it certainly never got finished. I keep forgetting to remove the link off > the site. > > If anybody else wants to organize a Looper's Delight Volume 3 cd project, > please go right ahead! > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 17 19:12:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03008; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:10:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:10:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010217191056.007c3860@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:10:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Vol 3 CD info In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On a related note, you may be interested in hearing what several LD listmembers have been up to as members of the Chain Tape Collective. Some of our projects are posted at and the site will soon be updated with a new look and links to several more recently completed CT projects. Feel free to download from the site, or if you'd prefer to get your hands on one of the actual CDs, you'll find contact instructions on the site. Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 17 19:53:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03811; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:51:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:51:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.163.200.30] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vol 3 CD info Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:49:59 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2001 00:49:59.0282 (UTC) FILETIME=[B827DD20:01C09944] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have in fact checked this stuff out and enjoyed it greatly!!:) Keep it up, and keep us posted! Pete. >From: Tim Nelson >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Vol 3 CD info >Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:10:56 -0500 > >On a related note, you may be interested in hearing what several LD >listmembers have been up to as members of the Chain Tape Collective. Some >of our projects are posted at and the site >will soon be updated with a new look and links to several more recently >completed CT projects. Feel free to download from the site, or if you'd >prefer to get your hands on one of the actual CDs, you'll find contact >instructions on the site. > >Tim > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 17 19:55:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04163; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:53:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:53:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.163.200.30] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vol 3 CD info Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:53:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2001 00:53:01.0409 (UTC) FILETIME=[24B63D10:01C09945] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh yeah, let us know if you have a volume 2 in the works. Pete. >From: Tim Nelson >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Vol 3 CD info >Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:10:56 -0500 > >On a related note, you may be interested in hearing what several LD >listmembers have been up to as members of the Chain Tape Collective. Some >of our projects are posted at and the site >will soon be updated with a new look and links to several more recently >completed CT projects. Feel free to download from the site, or if you'd >prefer to get your hands on one of the actual CDs, you'll find contact >instructions on the site. > >Tim > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 17 21:55:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07534; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:54:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:54:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010217215410.007c9320@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:54:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Vol 3 CD info In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:53 PM 2/17/01 -0500, Pete wrote: >Oh yeah, let us know if you have a volume 2 in the works. Volume 2?! We're up into the mid teens already! :-) Here's a CT Project discography so far: (The original 4 CD set, organized geographically) 1. West Coast 2. Europe 3. Middle America 4. East Coast 5. Found (a compilation of tracks built from found sounds) 6. Akkapella (only vocals, although with so much looping and processing, you wouldn't always know it...) 7. Seventy-Five Seconds (58 very short tracks, lots of variety) 8. Ambitative 1 9. Ambitative 2 (these two discs are ambient/meditative tracks, not yet posted on ) 10. Bluezette (loosely based on some sort of concept of 'da blooz'...) 11. Object/Videogame (two projects on one cd. 'Object' is a compilation of tracks made by exploiting as many sounds as possible from one object, such as a bicycle, a balloon, a plastic bottle, or a pair of nylon shorts. 'Videogame' consists of tracks made by sampling, sequencing and generally screwing with sounds made by videogames...) 12. Philter Phrenzy (filter abuse) and coming soon (spring/summer 2001): 13. Acoustic (no electric instruments on this one) 14. Lounge (a concept album exploring the many facets of 'lounge' music...) 15. Ambitative 3 16. Ambitative 4 17. Ambitative 5 (three more discs of music for the mental soundtrack) 18. Location (music made from audio-verite location recordings) and there's also a spin-off project called SourceProduct coming out soon, which you can check out at and a recent article about the Chain Tape Collective may be read at except some of the links are now wrong because Yahoo's plan for world conquest made the eGroups links obsolete... So, as you can see, we've been busy! -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 17 22:34:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08726; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 22:31:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 22:31:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.163.54.34] From: "Denis Aldrich" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: Home brew looper Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 21:30:41 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2001 03:30:42.0432 (UTC) FILETIME=[2BEBC800:01C0995B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi L, I've got a little more info on these chips. The first problem is taken care of by a loop mode function of the chip. The second problem is true that there is no overdub. The biggest drawback is the 8khz sample rate. This reduces the highest freq to a little over 3khz. It is only telephone grade audio. Overdubs could be taken care of by using two chips and bouncing between the two. Running the controls would take a small programable processor. information is available at www.ISD.com Denis From: "Dennis Leas" Subject: Re: Home brew looper I think this the same chip used in the Jameco kits? I remember looking at these. As I recall, there's two problems: 1) not an easy (i.e., built-in) way to end recording and begin endless, looping playback and 2) no overdub capability. Nevertheless, it would be really cool to put together a DIY kit with one of these chips and some "glue" components. It would be fun to have a whole bunch of little looper boxes, even if they didn't have a lot of features. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denis Aldrich" >Anybody look at RadioShacks ISD 2500 Series chip for looping? The chip is >normally used for message machines. The series stores 32, to 120 sec and >cost about $20. >Denis >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 01:35:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12609; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 01:34:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 01:34:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: fnothing@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 22:42:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: fnothing@sirius.com (Jonathan Byerly) Subject: Electrix Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone know if the yet-to-be-released Electrix Phrase Sampler can be operated from a foot pedal? i.e. hands free looping??? None of the literature says anything about a foot pedal, yet it might be so obvious that it got overlooked in the descriptions... or not. -nothing From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 02:33:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13922; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 02:31:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 02:31:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c0997c$6021dbc0$7d28059a@hal> Reply-To: "Christian Leduc" From: "Christian Leduc" To: References: Subject: Re: Electrix Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 02:28:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I assume it can operate with a midi foot controller... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Byerly" To: Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 1:42 AM Subject: Electrix > Does anyone know if the yet-to-be-released Electrix Phrase Sampler > can be operated from a foot pedal? i.e. hands free looping??? None of the > literature says anything about a foot pedal, yet it might be so obvious > that it got overlooked in the descriptions... or not. > -nothing > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 03:40:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14988; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 03:36:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 03:36:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010218002454.01e5c530@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:28:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Electrix In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jonathan Byerly (10:42 PM 2/17/01) wrote: > Does anyone know if the yet-to-be-released Electrix Phrase Sampler >can be operated from a foot pedal? i.e. hands free looping??? None of the >literature says anything about a foot pedal, yet it might be so obvious >that it got overlooked in the descriptions... or not. Repeater can be operated from either a typical 3-button pedal for the basic operations, or can be fully controlled via a MIDI pedal board (or other MIDI device). Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 05:36:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA18015; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 05:34:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 05:34:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c09996$48775c60$067d7d7d@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: public art (looping websites) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:33:47 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >that is a nice loop at http://www.pax.co.jp/images/intro.swf I have to say I laughed when it asked, "Are you goodman?" I didn't know they were a Japanese company! Their microwave we have here is truly finest, hand-held and quality. [snicker] Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery.html - Online Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! (for 5 years now!) http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 10:14:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23079; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:11:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:11:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:10:46 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Z.=20Vex=B4s=20Stompbox=20looper...?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes: >my impression was that he had not done a whole lot of research into the >looping world. i think yer wrong, there; i talked w/zach about this looper, years ago..... incl. discussions of pitch-triggering/CV-pedals..... & i'm pretty sure that i was not the only one to do so. zv's mfg. decisions seem to be based upon what *he* likes; freaky as he may be, most of what he creates is frightfully cool, for me! >as this was about a month ago, i have no idea how current this info is. >i'm pretty interested in the whole idea, but wonder how useful it'll be for >most of the people on this list. everybody's different, right? *-) best, dt / S-C 2 new CD's (@ 75ARK.com,amazon,cdnow,virgin,tower,artist-shop.com,etc) 1) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) 2) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD & limited edition vinyl; mega-EP, w/remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Carter Burwell, Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) the american press, on SPLaTTeRCeLL ::: OAH "Destined for cult status, this should be the guitar record of choice for electronica admirers--- or the fave electronica album for guitar fans." BillBoard Magazine (usa) "..... a chillingly wonderful instrumental CD. Brilliant stuff." Keyboard Magazine (usa) "Torn is perhaps the hippest creator of cut-and-paste music you're likely to encounter. Case in point is SPLaTTeRCeLL ::: OAH. OAH is a bold leap forward for the forces of organica--- those who believe that the hybrid of live performance & digital editing is the most exciting musical place-to-be." ReMiX Magazine (usa) "It's the kind of experience that had me shaking my head & saying, 'Holy shit, what was that?!'. Other flash guitarists can give you occasional transcendent licks, but on this (SPLaTTeRCeLL) CD, Torn gives you a 67-minute cosmic package". Alternative Press (usa) "Damn, this is one gorgeous mind-wrangle of a record!" Splendid SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn [Unable to display image] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 12:13:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27229; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 12:11:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 12:11:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c099cd$bb6b7120$b30c78d8@com> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: For Sale, I think: Echoplex Digital Pro Foot Controller Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 09:10:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello loopy people-- I think I might want to sell my EDP foot controller (EF-7) and use the three button switch method along with my PMC-10 MIDI thang--anybody interested? What is it worth? Still got the box and stuff . . . I'm in North Los Angeles. Be sure and email me off list :>| Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 12:56:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28724; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 12:54:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 12:54:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cave@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 02:53:21 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: [gig spam] next net cast info from Japan Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Our next live and net cast info. 24th sat Feb 2001 at ZINK from Kobe,Japan 19:00-23:00 (Japanese time) 10:00-14:00 (GMT) Details: http://ds.kobedenshi.ac.jp/activity/zink/live.html Please click "click here" for enjoy our live performance at 24th Feb. Also direct connect by Real Player: http://ds.kobedenshi.ac.jp/activity/zink/zink.ram Also our last performance is here. http://www.cavestudio.org/~kawasaki_kun/2001/csb2/ Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 13:02:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29551; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 13:01:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 13:01:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010218180046.23156.qmail@web5104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:00:46 -0800 (PST) From: Alx Subject: Re: Electrix To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Jonathan Byerly wrote: > Does anyone know if the yet-to-be-released > Electrix Phrase Sampler > can be operated from a foot pedal? i.e. hands free > looping??? None of the > literature says anything about a foot pedal Download the manual (electrixpro.com), it´s in the Repeater section, it certainly does mention about the footswitch. Alx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 14:54:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00984; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:51:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:51:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.170.206.95] From: "Christopher Garrett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: BOSS RC-20 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:50:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2001 19:50:49.0766 (UTC) FILETIME=[17D2D460:01C099E4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com does anyone know anything about the BOSS RC-20? it doesn't look too bad, but i'm still new to this stuff. is it worth the money or should i save for something more? thanx, CG _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 15:46:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03545; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:43:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:43:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RGBLA@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:42:52 EST Subject: gear fro sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 2 out of the box EDPs with max memory & footswitches $800 each LA, CA area Loop Looop Looooop Roger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 16:26:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05177; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 16:24:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 16:24:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A90B8E6.D9771@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:10:46 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: For Sale, I think: Echoplex Digital Pro Foot Controller References: <000501c099cd$bb6b7120$b30c78d8@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary Lehmann wrote: > > Hello loopy people-- > I think I might want to sell my EDP foot controller (EF-7) and use the three > button switch method along with my PMC-10 MIDI thang--anybody interested? > What is it worth? Still got the box and stuff . . . I'm in North Los > Angeles. Be sure and email me off list :>| > Gary Gary do you have to sell it for food or what ? dont do that keep it even if you do not want to use it for now you never know how your needs will evolve its direct access, something you'll be glad to have when you _have_ to push undo _now_ Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 18:05:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08449; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 18:02:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 18:02:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200102182301.SAA08395@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 23:55:00 +0100 Subject: AABA on Jamman From: "Frank Bilsen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just got my Jamman and here is my question to you. I'm trying to play an AABA-scheme using two loops (A and B, both 8 bars long) that I trigger by program changes generated by the MIDI-sequencer of my Yamaha QY70. The problem is that after having recorded the second loop (B), the Jamman starts playing it right away, although I want it to go back to the first loop, to finish the AABA-scheme. I have tried to give a prgram change 1 bar prior to leaving recording of the second loop, but that does not do the trick. Any of you found a way to get around this problem? Maybe record 2 blank loops first? But how to do that live? Thanks, Frank Bilsen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 18:20:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09098; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 18:16:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 18:16:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c09a00$dbbc4480$1ca81597@default> From: "Italo De Angelis" To: "loopers-delight" Subject: mp3 homepage Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 00:16:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com loops, mp3, audio processors reviews, interviews, a downloadable full library for Eventide 4000/7000/Orville processors and more.... on www.geocities.com/italoop meet you there. Ciao Italo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 19:41:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11844; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 19:38:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 19:38:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Bowerbird77@webtv.net X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAhpGN+e8OYnsz8jvPyet7EP09sfoCFGGd79aE/F5ned/TTHbx1cJ4XJeK Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 16:38:08 -0800 (PST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: editing block Message-ID: <855-3A906AF0-5248@storefull-245.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Just a quick question- Anyone know where I can find a good-quality precise editing block for editing tape? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 20:29:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13390; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 20:25:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 20:25:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010219012526.17551.qmail@web5105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:25:26 -0800 (PST) From: Alx Subject: Re: AABA on Jamman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200102182301.SAA08395@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe if you send at the end of the B part program change #12(cue loop 1), haven´t tried it myself, just occurred to me. Alx. --- Frank Bilsen wrote: > Just got my Jamman and here is my question to you. > I'm trying to play an > AABA-scheme using two loops (A and B, both 8 bars > long) that I trigger by > program changes generated by the MIDI-sequencer of > my Yamaha QY70. The > problem is that after having recorded the second > loop (B), the Jamman starts > playing it right away, although I want it to go back > to the first loop, to > finish the AABA-scheme. > I have tried to give a prgram change 1 bar prior to > leaving recording of the > second loop, but that does not do the trick. Any of > you found a way to get > around this problem? Maybe record 2 blank loops > first? But how to do that > live? Thanks, > Frank Bilsen > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 20:36:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13663; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 20:34:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 20:34:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010219013327.13613.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:33:27 -0800 (PST) From: dan sumner Subject: Re: editing block To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <855-3A906AF0-5248@storefull-245.iap.bryant.webtv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1545835048-982546407=:12036" Resent-Message-ID: <_NdSUD.A.FVD.ofHk6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1545835048-982546407=:12036 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You could try a museum! 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Mail Personal Address - only $35 a year! --0-1545835048-982546407=:12036-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 21:38:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15787; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:35:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:35:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:26:34 -0500 To: "Art List" From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Jazz with Eric Zinman Quartet 2.22.01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <17JZq.A.O2D.ZYIk6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be combining video improvisation with jazz improvisation by the Eric Zinman Quartet at the Zeitgeist Gallery, in Cambridge MA, on Thursday, Feb. 22. 8PM $6 donation Glynnis Loman cello Taylor Ho-Bynum trumpet Eric Zinman piano Laurence Cook drums Dr. T video The opening act will be a pair of improvising violinists, Teresa Marrin Nakra and Katt Hernandez. This promises to be an exciting and energetic show all around. Hope you can make it. The Zeitgeist is at the corner of Broadway and Norfolk in Central Square, Cambridge, Mass, 617-876-2182 -- "Once the search is in progress, something will be found" -- Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 21:58:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16323; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:56:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:56:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@postal.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <855-3A906AF0-5248@storefull-245.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <855-3A906AF0-5248@storefull-245.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 18:55:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Bowerbird77@webtv.net From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: editing block Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mine's made by Editall. A quick web search for "editall splicing block" turned up many links, here's one: http://www.fullcompass.com/catalog/fall2000/mediaaccessories.html >Hi, > Just a quick question- >Anyone know where I can find a good-quality precise editing block for >editing tape? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 18 22:31:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18036; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:29:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:29:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c09a23$fcd62780$f60c78d8@com> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <000501c099cd$bb6b7120$b30c78d8@com> <3A90B8E6.D9771@vtx.ch> Subject: No Longer For Sale: Echoplex Digital Pro Foot Controller Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 19:27:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- I wrote: I think I might want to sell my EDP foot controller (EF-7) and Claude Voit posted > do you have to sell it for food or what ? > dont do that keep it even if you do not want to use it for now > you never know how your needs will evolve > its direct access, something you'll be glad to have when you _have_ to > push undo _now_ And of course he's right--but it IS going into the big ol storage shed full of equipment and personal effects-- But he's absolutely right, the best way to need it is to sell it--besides I've been informed that Alto has them for under $100--he made me laugh, tho . . . Still gotta have an EDP to use it with, but those seem to be shipping now as well . . . OK, I'm off to see Steuart & company, and I'll issue a full report when I get back (oh boy, it's the Knitting Factory again!) Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 02:07:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25049; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 02:05:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 02:05:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c09a43$043d81c0$fa936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <1.5.4.32.20010215193520.0068ddc8@subnet.virtual-pc.com><000201c09824$9d6bb4a0$17b46fd4@y5w2s5> <010b01c0983e$55ca4ed0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: Llive llooping, Cardiff, Wales Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:06:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I used to use audiomulch running on a desktop PC with an old, beaten up monitor. This worked really well and It NEVER crashed ! The nice thing about Kyma though is that even if the computer gives up the ghost halfway through a piece of music Kyma will carry on, (though you'll have to reboot for the next patch). The first time I used Kyma live was with a secondhand laptop which I'd only just bought. I didn't have time to soak test the thing and as I got up to perform I noticed there was no screen - no problem I thought - I'll just wiggle my finger around on the mousepad and the screen will come back on........ no joy - it had gone into some power saving mode so I was stuck in front of the audience unable to bring it back. Since it would have taken about 2 minutes to bring the system back from a cold boot, (2 minutes onstage doing nothing musically is roughly equivalent to about 2 hours normal time) I had to resort to my trusty Zoom 8080 so a lot of my ideas didn't come off. Since then though it's been ok. I'll be honest, I'd like to leave the computer at home when gigging but it's the price I have to pay for THE POWER OF KYMA!!!!!! > cool. > have you performed before with the kyma? > i am still at the crawling stages with mine, > but it seems like it would be great for live > performance. > are you using the laptop interface or hauling > a desktop system around? > > > > > Hi, > > I'll be playing live in Cardiff on the last Wednesday of this month using > > cheap guitars, (including my Beezzarre geetarre) and African percussion > > through a Kyma system. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 02:56:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25864; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 02:54:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 02:54:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c09a49$ed1154c0$030c78d8@prelayomb> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <067d01c06382$cbda6600$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <04bc01c06390$d48bdc30$080210ac@jpalmer> <065301c063b7$cd2e4320$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Steuart at the Knitting Factory Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 23:59:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <-SLgb.A._TG.iENk6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey people-- Just back from a great performance featuring Steuart Liebig and Nels Cline. Think they both included some looping--Nels kept turning around to work his EH 16 second delay--but the big surprise was the leader, a trombone player named Scot Ray. Great tone, great ideas and chops enough to play bebop! The place was packed and a good time was had by all. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 09:23:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02535; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:21:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:21:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010219092056.007cfaf0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:20:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Llive llooping, Cardiff, Wales In-Reply-To: <000201c09a43$043d81c0$fa936fd4@y5w2s5> References: <1.5.4.32.20010215193520.0068ddc8@subnet.virtual-pc.com> <000201c09824$9d6bb4a0$17b46fd4@y5w2s5> <010b01c0983e$55ca4ed0$080210ac@jpalmer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:06 PM 2/18/01 -0000, you wrote: >(2 minutes onstage doing nothing musically is roughly equivalent to about 2 >hours normal time) You can say that again. Onstage time is funny that way, and it works from the other direction as well; on a multi-billed show, the five minutes between acts that you're given to set up seems equal to five seconds normal time! -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 10:48:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04525; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:44:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:44:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <060301c09a89$a627b0f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <005f01c09a00$dbbc4480$1ca81597@default> Subject: Zoom 2100 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:35:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anybody usng a Zoom 2100 for looping? I don't have one of these but I'm trying to understand how the Basic Sampler function works. The manual leaves me a little fuzzy. Say that you enter "record standby mode" and you record to sampler 1. I understand that you can then play back sampler 1 by pressing and holding foot switch 1. At that point, how do you record to sampler 2? Is each sampler individually in "record standby mode?" And each sampler exits "record standby mode" when you record something to it? Does pressing the Bank switch put all the samplers (1, 2, and 3) into "record standby mode?" I appreciate all help that anybody can give. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 11:13:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05678; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:11:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:11:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010219161019.6885.qmail@web115.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:10:19 -0800 (PST) From: keith mckenney Subject: Re: Steuart at the Knitting Factory To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001901c09a49$ed1154c0$030c78d8@prelayomb> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1660513322-982599019=:5977" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1660513322-982599019=:5977 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii my heart pines--- I used to live in LA area....the Cline brothers are both amazing...Liebig a powerhouse...Gauthier strings from ionishere...must've been a great show. tell those guys to come up to Seattle some time! --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? - Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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I used to live in LA area....the Cline brothers are both amazing...Liebig a powerhouse...Gauthier strings from ionishere...must've been a great show.

tell those guys to come up to Seattle some time!


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- Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - only $35 a year! --0-1660513322-982599019=:5977-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 11:32:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06262; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:30:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:30:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:24:50 -0800 Subject: stig's gig Message-ID: <20010219.082451.-75997.0.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,5-6,18-21 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tony Moore Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey folks, with all the to do over the last posting about one of stig's gigs, thought i'd chime in a bit about stig's gig at the knitting factory, hollywood last night with the cline bros (guitar and drums), gauthier (electric violin), and ray (trombone and composition). in short, man, it killed! yes, there WAS looping. yes, there WERE notes, and yes there were LOADS of melodies. sorry, couldn't resist ;-) really tho, this was the most enjoyable gig i've been to since moving to la last spring. stig grooved hard, blew hard, and used his tidy pile of effects very tastefully. it was great to see a group of such great musicians really reaching but still grounded enough to hit the head. just the right amount of tension and release. i could go on and on about the compositions, each musician (nels and the violinist played some really beautiful stuff), the gear and what great command stig had over his fretless (6 freakin' string) bass and effects. but i'll suffice it to say it was a magical gig with great performances within wonderful compositions. i REALLY enjoyed it. thanks stig and crew! tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 11:41:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06517; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:39:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:39:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <33.10e12b1f.27c2a607@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:38:31 EST Subject: Re: Zoom 2100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_33.10e12b1f.27c2a607_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_33.10e12b1f.27c2a607_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit denis.....if i understand you right.....when your in the SP mode, the first 3 pedals on the 2100 are now 5 sec samplers.....just getting into SP mode makes the first pedal ready (to sample) then you step on the square BANK A button and that advances you to the next pedal for sampleling and once again for the third pedal......you can play back samples seperatley or play them together.....i have never used the long sample program just the 5 sec.....hope this helps..... there is also the five sec sample that you can play over and add to if you have the foot control, drepress and it adds to the loop pull back and you can play over without saving.....michael --part1_33.10e12b1f.27c2a607_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit denis.....if i understand you right.....when your in the SP mode, the first 3
pedals on the 2100 are now 5 sec samplers.....just getting into SP mode makes
the first pedal ready (to sample) then you step on the square BANK A button
and that advances you to the next pedal for sampleling and once again for the
third pedal......you can play back samples seperatley or play them
together.....i have never used the long sample program just the 5
sec.....hope this helps..... there is also the five sec sample that you can
play over and add to if you have the foot control, drepress and it adds to
the loop pull back and you can play over without saving.....michael --part1_33.10e12b1f.27c2a607_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 12:41:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08329; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:39:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:39:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:39:35 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: mechanically sequenced band Cc: Alexandre Boratto do Vale Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wrote that when we were talking about mechanical sustained sounds, but then felt I wanted the creators to look it up...: I have seen an incredible simple mechanic sequencer in Rio, made by Alexandre Boratto (AVLTECH) for Tato Taborda: A motor with gear turning a cylinder of about 8cm diameter with screws on it that moves aluminum/inox handles where a nylon/steel wire connects to the various hammers and activators of a multi-instrumental sculpture. The handles have springs to fall back and another handle that can fix them in the off position, so the user can bring each instrument separately in and out while the sequencer is running. Its not very accurate and the programming with the screws is rather slow, but its a lot of fun to see it working - real acoustic! Alexandres comment: The "Sonambulante" or "Homem Banda", is a research in "low tech", but it was a lot of experiments in new timbral sounds and Ergonomics. An old Typewriter was modified to actuate by wires about 25 percussive sounds. The Incredible bass uses all the structure to hold a nylon wire that uses a piezo transducer as a bridge, and you can produce notes directly with one hand. There are about 60 different actuators to produce sounds acoustically, even with motorized systems, and it is totally self-powered, with a P.A. , mixer , sub-woofer , and a 180W amp. I hope they can make up a site with picture... or some of you may make it to Rio. Carnaval starts this week... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 13:12:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09677; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 13:10:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 13:10:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006501c09a9f$3cd14880$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Liebig show/ Wonder Spray Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:10:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0062_01C09A5C.2C410020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <7glUXD.A.0WC.LFWk6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C09A5C.2C410020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great show last night- always set to be good with Nels in the house- = Stuart and the rest of the band were great- I met Stewart and Gary- had = to pry them off of each other to keep them from doing any serious = damage! Kidding- cordiality and good humor prevailed-=20 Watching Nels gets me interested in the ultra expensive EH delay he = uses- he just makes it look fun with his lanky arms whipping to and fro = from guitar to slapping the pedal around-=20 On a side and more loop-oriented note- I have had a switching problem = with my Jam Man for ages- pressing the pedal produced 2 super quick = presses so tap tempos were a nightmare to set- I thought it was a = problem with the unit itself- I bought some Caig Labs Pro Gold spray and = hit basically everything in my studio including the innards of the = original Lexicon footswitch- problem solved! I love that-=20 cliff ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C09A5C.2C410020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great show last night- always set to be good with = Nels in the=20 house- Stuart and the rest of the band were great- I met Stewart and = Gary- had=20 to pry them off of each other to keep them from doing any serious = damage!=20 Kidding- cordiality and good humor prevailed-
 
Watching Nels gets me interested in the ultra = expensive EH=20 delay he uses- he just makes it look fun with his lanky arms whipping to = and fro=20 from guitar to slapping the pedal around-
 
On a side and more loop-oriented note- I have had a = switching=20 problem with my Jam Man for ages- pressing the pedal produced 2 super = quick=20 presses so tap tempos were a nightmare to set- I thought it was a = problem with=20 the unit itself- I bought some Caig Labs Pro Gold spray and hit = basically=20 everything in my studio including the innards of the original Lexicon=20 footswitch- problem solved! I love that-
 
cliff
------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C09A5C.2C410020-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 13:31:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10127; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 13:29:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 13:29:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A916A70.3B58@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:48:17 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: stig's gig References: <20010219.082451.-75997.0.tony-moore@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any Possability of this band coming up north to sf/oaktown? Kungha From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 14:04:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11344; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:02:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:02:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A916DB3.6811E3A8@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:04:37 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: editing block References: <20010219013327.13613.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dan sumner wrote: > You could try a museum! > > Bowerbird77@webtv.net wrote: > > Hi, > Just a quick question- > Anyone know where I can find a good-quality precise editing > block for > editing tape? > LOL! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 14:45:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12379; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:43:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:43:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "nospam" To: Subject: gig spam - LA Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:46:21 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mamaSutra at the Temple Bar in Santa Monica Wednesday the 21st with Particle. I use a Boomerang and a Roland VG-88 on my guitar and a GT-5 on my sax, which gives me the ability to lay down sax AND guitar loops. I run a line out of the Boomerang's auxilliary jack to an amp that points at the drummer's head so when I set a loop, he hears it and can keep time. If any of you come, please say hello. I'm the guy with a guitar and a sax around my neck and a sea of pedals around my feet. You can hear us in action at http://www.mp3.com/mamasutra. Check out the Blue Jam for lots of looping and VG-8 effects (before I upgraded to the VG-88). Peace Russell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 15:29:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13790; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:26:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:26:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A9185D2.65BA@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:45:06 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex and Jamman for sale References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_qUD5C.A.xWD.wEYk6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Echoplex-memory upgrade,foot controller 875.00 Jamman-32 sec 475.00 OBO No one bit the 1st time around(perhaps everyone is waiting for the Repeater?) But,I'd thought I'd mention it one more time..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 15:56:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15628; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:54:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:54:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:44:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: gig spam - LA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Russell, Good Luck...have fun! >I run a line >out of the Boomerang's auxilliary jack to an amp that points at the >drummer's head so when I set a loop, he hears it and can keep time. This is a great idea. I've been trying to figure out a seamless way you could have a loop going and have the drummer play to the loop. (arrghh...trying to get drummers to play tempo to something other than 'themselves' is often an interesting adventure). Are you saying that the amp produces sound only when the loop in engaged? That it only plays the loop, and not your regular guitar line? If so, that's very cool. A nice audible trigger for the drummer..."hey...when sound comes outta that amp right there? follow that, please..." how could this idea be implemented from a EDP, Jamman or DL4, etc? How would you split the line so guitar and loop go to the regular amp, but just the loop goes to the aux amp for the drummer to lock to? nice. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 16:06:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16668; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:05:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:05:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.124] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Liebig show/ Wonder Spray Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:04:01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2001 21:04:01.0501 (UTC) FILETIME=[7BEA28D0:01C09AB7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "Loopers Delight" >Subject: Liebig show/ Wonder Spray >Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:10:23 -0800 > > >On a side and more loop-oriented note- I have had a switching problem with >my Jam Man for ages- pressing the pedal produced 2 super quick presses so >tap tempos were a nightmare to set- I thought it was a problem with the >unit itself- I bought some Caig Labs Pro Gold spray and hit basically >everything in my studio including the innards of the original Lexicon >footswitch- problem solved! I love that- > just a little note on some past threads (or perhaps the start of some new ones!): RE: those pesky Lexicon footswitches....the footswitches Lexicon shipped with 'ol JamPup are just maybe the worst footswitches made, if only from a ergonomic view. But, we all still use 'em, huh? Flimsy little plastic switches that are strategically placed so that any foot larger than a 10 year olds will double trigger. I have found that the Boss FS5U work great with the JamBoy. You have to get two of them and then hook up some sort of Y adapter to use with JamDude's stereo footswitch jack. But since I started using them, the precision of tapping into and out of loops has greatly increased. Another pair can then be used to select bank/bypass....or just use that pesky Lexi FS. And...since I'm ranting about JamPerson.....the MIDI on this unit is, let's say...slow. I stopped using a MIDI pedal to select/tap loops, as I did "sense" (perhaps not notice...but sense) a latency there. My loops are tighter now with the non-midi footswitches. I do sometimes use the MIDI pedal (I use a Rolls MIDI-Buddy...cheap but efficient) to use the cue function on tunes with multiple loops. and, Manual fade, with a volume pedal, works better than the MIDI fade function, IMHO. But, really, I love my JamPuppy, and would not replace it for the world. Which brings me to the next topic: It ain't the tools..... JamMan, EDP, Repeater, the new Boss unit, DL4, Headrush, Boomerrang, and that Z-Vex low fi looper....these are all just tools. Each one is slightly different from another in functions, bells, and whistles. It's not really fair to say one is better than the other...especially when offering that advice to "newbie" loopers. How creative you are with the tools you use is what matters. The music which you channel thru these tools is the point. Damn, I'd love to hear what the SplatterDevil might come up with an 8bit, mono, 3 sec. sampler/looper! It ain't the gear.....it's who's using it. Yes, I use the JamMan....and love it. I have found ways to work with and around its limitations. It was my first looper, and I learned many tips and tricks by screwing around with it (and by reading stuff here at LD). I am comfortable with it, and can work it...I can "play" it. I just recently added a DL4 to my rig. And I like that very much too. Maybe because of its limitations. It is different from JamBoy..and I "play" it differently. Just as I play my different basses differently. It is just another instrument with another texture for me to use to my creative best. Now I am learning to use them together.....and as we all know, the DL4 has no syncing capabilities. So how they work together is solely up to how I can make them work together. In short..it ain't the gear, it's the geek behind the gear. What you can do with looping is not limited by the technology, but only by your imagination. BTW: yes...I would love to get a Repeater, an EDP, a 'rang, and an 8bit, mono 3 sec sampler/looper. But in the meantime I am going to make the best music I can with my JamDog and DL4....and aligator clips, chinese metal balls, chopsticks, and tin foil! loopityloopityloop Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 16:14:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16902; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:11:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:11:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAE66@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_Z=2E_Vex=B4s_Stompbox_looper=2E=2E=2E?= Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:10:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C09AB8.550F9B40" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09AB8.550F9B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >my impression was that he had not done a whole lot of research into the >looping world. i think yer wrong, there; i talked w/zach about this looper, years ago..... incl. discussions of pitch-triggering/CV-pedals..... & i'm pretty sure that i was not the only one to do so. zv's mfg. decisions seem to be based upon what *he* likes; freaky as he may be, most of what he creates is frightfully cool, for me! cool. as i said it was just my impression from speaking with him. maybe he was doing the close-to-the-vest pedal guy thing - - not wanting anyone to steal his stuff. >as this was about a month ago, i have no idea how current this info is. >i'm pretty interested in the whole idea, but wonder how useful it'll be for >most of the people on this list. everybody's different, right? ** yeah - - and i'm probably just as interested in his pedal as i am in the repeater or boss thingie . . . stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09AB8.550F9B40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Z. Vex=B4s Stompbox looper...


>my impression was that he had not done a whole = lot of research into the
>looping world.
i think yer wrong, there; i talked w/zach about this = looper, years ago.....
incl. discussions of pitch-triggering/CV-pedals..... = & i'm pretty sure that i
was not the only one to do so.
zv's mfg. decisions seem to be based upon what *he* = likes; freaky as he may
be, most of what he creates is frightfully cool, for = me!


cool. as i said it was just my impression from = speaking with him. maybe he was doing the close-to-the-vest pedal guy = thing - - not wanting anyone to steal his stuff.

>as this was about a month ago, i have no idea how = current this info is.
>i'm pretty interested in the whole idea, but = wonder how useful it'll be for
>most of the people on this list.
everybody's different, right?

** yeah - - and i'm probably just as interested in = his pedal as i am in the repeater or boss thingie . . .

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C09AB8.550F9B40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 16:51:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19738; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:49:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:49:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c09abd$e72916a0$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: Subject: Re: gig spam - LA Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 13:48:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a/b switch before the EDP- 1 out to EDP, 1 out to main amp- set EDP to 100% wet- another a/b after EDP- 1 out to drum monitor, 1 out to main amp- set a/b switches to both a and b- you may need resistance mixer to get both signals into main amp- that's the most complicated soloution I could come up with.... ;) cliff > how could this idea be implemented from a EDP, Jamman or DL4, etc? > How would you split the line so guitar and loop go to the regular > amp, but just the loop goes to the aux amp for the drummer to lock to? > > nice. > > rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 17:03:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20540; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:02:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:02:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAE6A@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: stig's gig Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:01:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C09ABF.7A708780" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09ABF.7A708780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" not in the forseeable future - - scot's leaving for a 6-week trip to nepal in 10 days. it would be fun though. stig -----Original Message----- From: scott kungha drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 10:48 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: stig's gig Any Possability of this band coming up north to sf/oaktown? Kungha ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09ABF.7A708780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: stig's gig

not in the forseeable future - - scot's leaving for a 6-week trip to nepal in 10 days.

it would be fun though.

stig


-----Original Message-----
From: scott kungha drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 10:48 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: stig's gig


Any Possability of this band coming up north to sf/oaktown?
Kungha

------_=_NextPart_001_01C09ABF.7A708780-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 17:14:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20883; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:12:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:12:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c09ac1$216051a0$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAE6A@migarexch01.maritz.com> Subject: Re: stig's gig Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:13:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01C09A7E.10D93100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <1KGv1.A.FGF.noZk6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C09A7E.10D93100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: stig's gigAvant garde trombone player goes to Nepal for 6 weeks- am = I missing something? Are we talking trust fund baby here or what? :) cliff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Liebig, Steuart A.=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 2:01 PM Subject: RE: stig's gig not in the forseeable future - - scot's leaving for a 6-week trip to = nepal in 10 days.=20 it would be fun though.=20 stig=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: scott kungha drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net]=20 Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 10:48 AM=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: stig's gig=20 Any Possability of this band coming up north to sf/oaktown?=20 Kungha=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C09A7E.10D93100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: stig's gig
Avant garde trombone player goes to Nepal for 6 = weeks- am I=20 missing something? Are we talking trust fund baby here or what? = :)
 
cliff
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Liebig, Steuart A.
To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-deli= ght.com'=20
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 = 2:01=20 PM
Subject: RE: stig's gig

not in the forseeable future - - scot's leaving for = a 6-week=20 trip to nepal in 10 days.

it would be fun though.

stig


-----Original Message-----
From: scott=20 kungha drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net]=20
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 10:48 AM =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Subject: Re: stig's gig


Any Possability of this band coming up north to=20 sf/oaktown?
Kungha=20

------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C09A7E.10D93100-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 17:21:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21168; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:19:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:19:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAE6D@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: stig's gig Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:18:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C09AC1.ED03AAA0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09AC1.ED03AAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" nope. i think he and his wife have saved money for quite a while. he plays a fair amount, did the brian setxer gig for something like two years and she's got a job . . . normal folks. if he were a trust-fund baby, i'd ask him for some $$$. s -----Original Message----- From: MediaOne [mailto:clifsound@mediaone.net] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 2:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: stig's gig Avant garde trombone player goes to Nepal for 6 weeks- am I missing something? Are we talking trust fund baby here or what? :) cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 2:01 PM Subject: RE: stig's gig not in the forseeable future - - scot's leaving for a 6-week trip to nepal in 10 days. it would be fun though. stig -----Original Message----- From: scott kungha drengsen [ mailto:kungha@earthlink.net ] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 10:48 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: stig's gig Any Possability of this band coming up north to sf/oaktown? Kungha ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09AC1.ED03AAA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: stig's gig
nope. i think he and his wife have saved money for quite a while. he plays a fair amount, did the brian setxer gig for something like two years and she's got a job . . . normal folks. if he were a trust-fund baby, i'd ask him for some $$$.
 
s
-----Original Message-----
From: MediaOne [mailto:clifsound@mediaone.net]
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 2:13 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: stig's gig

Avant garde trombone player goes to Nepal for 6 weeks- am I missing something? Are we talking trust fund baby here or what? :)
 
cliff
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 2:01 PM
Subject: RE: stig's gig

not in the forseeable future - - scot's leaving for a 6-week trip to nepal in 10 days.

it would be fun though.

stig


-----Original Message-----
From: scott kungha drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 10:48 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: stig's gig


Any Possability of this band coming up north to sf/oaktown?
Kungha

------_=_NextPart_001_01C09AC1.ED03AAA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 17:39:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21735; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:38:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:38:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A91A0A9.90753356@cloud9.net> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:39:38 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex and Jamman for sale References: <200102192221.RAA21260@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps no one bit because folks here know that Alto Music is selling the Echoplex *new* for less than you're asking :) Elby > > Subject: Echoplex and Jamman for sale > Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:45:06 -0800 > From: scott kungha drengsen > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Echoplex-memory upgrade,foot controller 875.00 > Jamman-32 sec 475.00 OBO > > No one bit the 1st time around(perhaps everyone is waiting for the > Repeater?) > But,I'd thought I'd mention it one more time..... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 17:51:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22589; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:49:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:49:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A91A2D8.DA649161@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:48:56 -0800 From: Andre Lafosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: stig's gig References: <20010219.082451.-75997.0.tony-moore@juno.com> <3A916A70.3B58@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At the risk of embarassing Steuart, I also want to chime in on the gig at the Knit last night -- what a great, great show. Scot mentioned to me that this was the first gig this particular group had played together, which was both terrifying and inspiring (if you catch my drift). It was also great to see the crowd there -- not only was it standing room only, but it was extremely diverse: young and old, male and female, hardened new music vets and wide-eyed new inductees alike. All very much into it. Well done Stig - I was so knocked out and humbled that I couldn't even bring myself to say hello. (I was the guy talking to the Rays till late after the end of the gig...) Don't know if that's a good sign or not, but I guess two sets of the material sort of put me into a pre-lingual and ego-less state for a little while. Next time I'll say Hi before the set, just in case... --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 17:55:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22924; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:53:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:53:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.214.36.223] From: "Haresh Bakshi" To: Subject: Tamboura [Tanpura] loops Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:51:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C09A9C.9245D680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2001 22:53:06.0561 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9130F10:01C09AC6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C09A9C.9245D680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I joined this group just now. Could someone lead me to tamboura [tanpura] loops, please? Thanks. Haresh. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C09A9C.9245D680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I joined this group just = now.
Could someone lead me to tamboura = [tanpura] loops,=20 please?
Thanks.
Haresh.
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C09A9C.9245D680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 18:28:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24102; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:25:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:25:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: fnothing@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:33:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: fnothing@sirius.com (Jonathan Byerly) Subject: Re:Re:Re:Repeater Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Alx et alia, I'm gettin' it. bye bye boomerang Jonathan ps: I knew this machine existed somewhere in '88 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 18:43:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24401; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:32:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:32:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:26:27 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Llive llooping, Cardiff, Wales To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <023201c09acb$61ee7530$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <1.5.4.32.20010215193520.0068ddc8@subnet.virtual-pc.com> <000201c09824$9d6bb4a0$17b46fd4@y5w2s5> <010b01c0983e$55ca4ed0$080210ac@jpalmer> <000201c09a43$043d81c0$fa936fd4@y5w2s5> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm thinking that the single space rack mount pc's they sell as network servers might be cool. add a flat panel moniter (maybe with a touch screen) and rack it up with the capybara like the kyma wasn't expensive enough in the first place... ----- Original Message ----- From: "whiteoakstudios" To: Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 11:06 AM Subject: Re: Llive llooping, Cardiff, Wales > Hi, > I used to use audiomulch running on a desktop PC with an old, beaten up > monitor. This worked really well and It NEVER crashed ! The nice thing about > Kyma though is that even if the computer gives up the ghost halfway through > a piece of music Kyma will carry on, (though you'll have to reboot for the > next patch). The first time I used Kyma live was with a secondhand laptop > which I'd only just bought. I didn't have time to soak test the thing and as > I got up to perform I noticed there was no screen - no problem I thought - > I'll just wiggle my finger around on the mousepad and the screen will come > back on........ no joy - it had gone into some power saving mode so I was > stuck in front of the audience unable to bring it back. Since it would have > taken about 2 minutes to bring the system back from a cold boot, (2 minutes > onstage doing nothing musically is roughly equivalent to about 2 hours > normal time) I had to resort to my trusty Zoom 8080 so a lot of my ideas > didn't come off. Since then though it's been ok. I'll be honest, I'd like to > leave the computer at home when gigging but it's the price I have to pay for > THE POWER OF KYMA!!!!!! > > > cool. > > have you performed before with the kyma? > > i am still at the crawling stages with mine, > > but it seems like it would be great for live > > performance. > > are you using the laptop interface or hauling > > a desktop system around? > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > I'll be playing live in Cardiff on the last Wednesday of this month > using > > > cheap guitars, (including my Beezzarre geetarre) and African percussion > > > through a Kyma system. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 18:49:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24406; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:32:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:32:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b601c09acc$b0f00620$b189353f@w0y7i0> From: "Busyditch" To: Subject: Re: Tamboura [Tanpura] loops Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:35:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C09AA2.C5D7AF40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C09AA2.C5D7AF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Try "Within You Without You" from the Beatles Sergeant Pepper's da da = da! -----Original Message----- From: Haresh Bakshi To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, February 19, 2001 5:53 PM Subject: Tamboura [Tanpura] loops =20 =20 I joined this group just now. Could someone lead me to tamboura [tanpura] loops, please? Thanks. Haresh. ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C09AA2.C5D7AF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Try "Within You Without = You" =20 from the Beatles Sergeant Pepper's da da da!
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Haresh Bakshi <hareshbakshi@hotmail.com>=
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com=20 <Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com>
Date:=20 Monday, February 19, 2001 5:53 PM
Subject: Tamboura = [Tanpura]=20 loops

I joined this group just = now.
Could someone lead me to tamboura = [tanpura]=20 loops, please?
Thanks.
Haresh.
------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C09AA2.C5D7AF40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 18:55:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25038; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:51:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:51:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b301c09ace$9a4dbbe0$58b94e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: , Subject: Re: Tamboura [Tanpura] loops Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:49:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C09AA4.A86E7860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C09AA4.A86E7860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Namaskar, Haresh, aur swagatam! Go to http://www.radelindia.com/products.htm and click on the samples for the Saarang, Maestro and Dhruva. They're not really tanpura loops, per se, but good electronic = equivalents. James -----Original Message----- From: Haresh Bakshi To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, February 19, 2001 5:55 PM Subject: Tamboura [Tanpura] loops =20 =20 I joined this group just now. Could someone lead me to tamboura [tanpura] loops, please? Thanks. Haresh. ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C09AA4.A86E7860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Namaskar, Haresh, aur swagatam!
 
Go to  http://www.radelindia.com= /products.htm
 
and click on the samples for the Saarang, = Maestro and=20 Dhruva.
They're not really tanpura loops, per se, but good electronic=20 equivalents.
 
James
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Haresh Bakshi <hareshbakshi@hotmail.com>=
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com=20 <Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com>
Date:=20 Monday, February 19, 2001 5:55 PM
Subject: Tamboura = [Tanpura]=20 loops

I joined this group just = now.
Could someone lead me to tamboura = [tanpura]=20 loops, please?
Thanks.
Haresh.
------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C09AA4.A86E7860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 19:07:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25822; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:06:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:06:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAE70@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: stig's gig Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:05:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C09AD0.CD5EA1A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09AD0.CD5EA1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" dude! you shoulda said hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! just shows that i should check out pictures of people on their web sites! At the risk of embarassing Steuart, I also want to chime in on the gig at the Knit last night -- what a great, great show. ** okay - - yeah it's embarrassing - - i'm usually trying to alienate people - - just kidding! Scot mentioned to me that this was the first gig this particular group had played together, ** yeah. of course we've all played together for a while so there is the communication thing happening. also, scot's tunes seem to be constructed with a lot of interplay in mind. five good players (if i can put myself in there) and good tunes, well there ya go . . . It was also great to see the crowd there -- not only was it standing room only, but it was extremely diverse: young and old, male and female, hardened new music vets and wide-eyed new inductees alike. All very much into it. ** we were shocked - - we were asking ourselves where the hell all these people came from. very nice and the audience was very receptive and warm. it was really gratifying to meet other folks from the list there as well. very nice evening all around - - though i'm paying a little today at the job (yawn!). to all who went thanks and thanks for the nice comments. both nels and i are using the eh-16 second (though he really kills with it). stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09AD0.CD5EA1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: stig's gig

dude! you shoulda said hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

just shows that i should check out pictures of people = on their web sites!


At the risk of embarassing Steuart, I also want to = chime in on the gig
at the Knit last night -- what a great, great = show. 

** okay - - yeah it's embarrassing - - i'm usually = trying to alienate people - - just kidding!

Scot mentioned to
me that this was the first gig this particular group = had played
together,

** yeah. of course we've all played together for a = while so there is the communication thing happening. also, scot's tunes = seem to be constructed with a lot of interplay in mind. five good = players (if i can put myself in there) and good tunes, well there ya go = . . .


It was also great to see the crowd there -- not only = was it standing
room only, but it was extremely diverse: young and = old, male and female,
hardened new music vets and wide-eyed new inductees = alike.  All very
much into it.

** we were shocked - - we were asking ourselves where = the hell all these people came from. very nice and the audience was = very receptive and warm.

it was really gratifying to meet other folks from the = list there as well. very nice evening all around - - though i'm paying = a little today at the job (yawn!).

to all who went thanks and thanks for the nice = comments.

both nels and i are using the eh-16 second (though he = really kills with it).

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C09AD0.CD5EA1A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 19:29:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26466; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:27:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:27:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A91B9D2.C7D1CC44@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:26:58 -0800 From: Andre Lafosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: stig's gig -- AND -- an audience for "new music"? References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAE70@migarexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > > dude! you shoulda said hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > just shows that i should check out pictures of people on their web > sites! No no no, not at all... I had meant to say Hi at some point, but after the gig I was just trying to absorb everything I'd just heard. Also keep in mind that I'm a guitar player who had just spent several hours listening to Nels Cline, so my brain was delightfully but hopelessly scrambled by that point. > ** okay - - yeah it's embarrassing - - i'm usually trying to alienate > people I know -- Jeez, man, what were you guys thinking?! A few more gigs like that and Wynton Marsalis might have a nervous breakdown! For God's sake, what would Ken Burns say?! > ** we were shocked - - we were asking ourselves where the hell all > these people came from. very nice and the audience was very receptive > and warm. It could just be my imagination, but it seems like there's actually an increasing receptiveness for "new" music on the part of a lot of listeners these days. I keep thinking of the cross-breeding that's been going on between some of the "post-rock" or "alternative" schools of thought with "new music" over the last few years -- Jim O'Rourke, Thrill Jockey records, John Fahey, the Fibbers, the Sonic Youth EPs, etc. The opening of the Knit on Hollywood Blvd, corporate-tinged though it might be, seems like a somewhat hopeful sign. There were so many people in their early to mid-'20s at the gig who were COMPLETELY into the show, and I can't imagine that many of them had a serious history of "out" listening (though I could be wrong, certainly). Any thoughts on this? OK, now I'm going to see if I can work up the nerve to pick up my guitar after last night... Best, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 19:37:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26716; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:35:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:35:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A91BBB8.7C74491F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:35:05 -0800 X-Sybari-Trust: d5fd0c55 050014e1 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex and Jamman for sale References: <200102192221.RAA21260@hemlock.violacea.com> <3A91A0A9.90753356@cloud9.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1E7FOC.A.ShG.Evbk6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not to mention that you're trying to sell your Jamman for more than it sold for new when a superior product is about to come out. I'd give you two hundred for the JamMan at this point. Mark Mountain Man wrote: > Perhaps no one bit because folks here know that Alto Music is selling > the Echoplex *new* for less than you're asking :) > > Elby > > > > > Subject: Echoplex and Jamman for sale > > Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:45:06 -0800 > > From: scott kungha drengsen > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > Echoplex-memory upgrade,foot controller 875.00 > > Jamman-32 sec 475.00 OBO > > > > No one bit the 1st time around(perhaps everyone is waiting for the > > Repeater?) > > But,I'd thought I'd mention it one more time..... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 19:51:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27205; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:49:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:49:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A91C37D.4BF2@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:08:15 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex and Jamman for sale References: <200102192221.RAA21260@hemlock.violacea.com> <3A91A0A9.90753356@cloud9.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mountain Man wrote: > > Perhaps no one bit because folks here know that Alto Music is selling > the Echoplex *new* for less than you're asking :) > True ??!! I do have the "OBO" statement.I was trying to take account for the memory upgrade,the footpedal,and I didn't think I was that far off.(saw one last weekend at Haight Ashbury Music for 1250.00) Sorry if I offended anyone, Scott K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 19:53:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27257; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:51:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:51:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAE73@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: stig's gig -- AND -- an audience for "new music"? Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:50:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C09AD7.1B6F77B0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09AD7.1B6F77B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" No no no, not at all... I had meant to say Hi at some point, but after the gig I was just trying to absorb everything I'd just heard. ** cool. i think that i made hello noises to some people at the table you were sitting at (?). Also keep in mind that I'm a guitar player who had just spent several hours listening to Nels Cline, so my brain was delightfully but hopelessly scrambled by that point. ** usually, he just uses the whisk on the guitar . . . I know -- Jeez, man, what were you guys thinking?! A few more gigs like that and Wynton Marsalis might have a nervous breakdown! For God's sake, what would Ken Burns say?! ** i should be so lucky. they'd make a bio pic of us. It could just be my imagination, but it seems like there's actually an increasing receptiveness for "new" music on the part of a lot of listeners these days. I keep thinking of the cross-breeding that's been going on between some of the "post-rock" or "alternative" schools of thought with "new music" over the last few years -- Jim O'Rourke, Thrill Jockey records, John Fahey, the Fibbers, the Sonic Youth EPs, etc. ** yeah, i think there's a lot of truth in that. and noise is creeping into a lot of popular music - - bjork tends to use some for instance, radiohead seems to have incorporated some as well. back at the alligator series, there seemed to be a lot of younger folks coming to it. The opening of the Knit on Hollywood Blvd, corporate-tinged though it might be, seems like a somewhat hopeful sign. ** it's going to be interesting to see what is gonna happen with the knit. there are some rumors that m. dorf has filed chapter 11 in nyc - - so restructrung, etc.? tonic and some other places have taken the knit audience and performers in nyc, he sank a lot of money into the hollywood knit . . . i'm interested to see how it'll fare. There were so many people in their early to mid-'20s at the gig who were COMPLETELY into the show, and I can't imagine that many of them had a serious history of "out" listening (though I could be wrong, certainly). Any thoughts on this? ** i too doubt that there is a serious "out" history. that being said, the (barely post-) college-age human would seem to be more likely to be a candidate for this sort of thing - - they're in the searching age . . . mostly, when people get to my age, they're pretty set in there ways (ya know house in the 'burbs, kids - - hey that's me). my guess is that the venues that cater to folks like that are more likely to also house folks like us playing at 'em. also, i wonder how much of it has to do with the guitar thang . .. ** i'm just grateful that some people seem to like it as some point - - makes the voyage to obscurity a little easier . . . the other shocking thing was that i sold a mess of cds - - coulda pushed me over . . . OK, now I'm going to see if I can work up the nerve to pick up my guitar after last night... ** you'll rock . . . stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09AD7.1B6F77B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: stig's gig -- AND -- an audience for "new = music"?

No no no, not at all...  I had meant to say Hi = at some point, but after
the gig I was just trying to absorb everything I'd = just heard. 

** cool. i think that i made hello noises to some = people at the table you were sitting at (?).

Also keep in mind that I'm a guitar player who had = just spent several
hours listening to Nels Cline, so my brain was = delightfully but
hopelessly scrambled by that point. 

** usually, he just uses the whisk on the guitar . . = .
 

I know -- Jeez, man, what were you guys = thinking?!  A few more gigs like
that and Wynton Marsalis might have a nervous = breakdown!  For God's
sake, what would Ken Burns say?!

** i should be so lucky. they'd make a bio pic of = us.


It could just be my imagination, but it seems like = there's actually an
increasing receptiveness for "new" music = on the part of a lot of
listeners these days.  I keep thinking of the = cross-breeding that's been
going on between some of the "post-rock" = or "alternative" schools of
thought with "new music" over the last few = years -- Jim O'Rourke, Thrill
Jockey records, John Fahey, the Fibbers, the Sonic = Youth EPs, etc. 

** yeah, i think there's a lot of truth in that. and = noise is creeping into a lot of popular music - - bjork tends to use = some for instance, radiohead seems to have incorporated some as well. = back at the alligator series, there seemed to be a lot of younger folks = coming to it.

The opening of the Knit on Hollywood Blvd, = corporate-tinged though it
might be, seems like a somewhat hopeful sign.  =

** it's going to be interesting to see what is gonna = happen with the knit. there are some rumors that m. dorf has filed = chapter 11 in nyc  - - so restructrung, etc.? tonic and some other = places have taken the knit audience and performers in nyc, he sank a = lot of money into the hollywood knit . . . i'm interested to see how = it'll fare.

There were so many people
in their early to mid-'20s at the gig who were = COMPLETELY into the show,
and I can't imagine that many of them had a serious = history of "out"
listening (though I could be wrong, = certainly).  Any thoughts on this?

** i too doubt that there is a serious = "out" history. that being said, the (barely post-) = college-age human would seem to be more likely to be a candidate for = this sort of thing - - they're in the searching age . . . mostly, when = people get to my age, they're pretty set in there ways (ya know house = in the 'burbs, kids - - hey that's me). my guess is that the venues = that cater to folks like that are more likely to also house folks like = us playing at 'em. also, i wonder how much of it has to do with the = guitar thang . .. 

** i'm just grateful that some people seem to like it = as some point - - makes the voyage to obscurity a little easier  . = . . the other shocking thing was that i sold a mess of cds - - coulda = pushed me over . . .

OK, now I'm going to see if I can work up the nerve = to pick up my guitar
after last night...

** you'll rock . . .

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C09AD7.1B6F77B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 20:04:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28108; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 20:01:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 20:01:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A91BBB8.7C74491F@zerocrossing.net> References: <200102192221.RAA21260@hemlock.violacea.com> <3A91A0A9.90753356@cloud9.net> <3A91BBB8.7C74491F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:51:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Echoplex and Jamman for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >not to mention that you're trying to sell your Jamman for more than it >sold for new when a superior product is about to come out. I'd give you >two hundred for the JamMan at this point. > >Mark don't want to start a fight, but this makes me realize why people are rushing over to ebay to sell their equipment. why post to LD to offer it to a looper when we cop attitude at the prices? i went straight to ebay and sold a jamman for over $700. now that's a silly price and i knew it, but the buyer obviously wanted it bad enough to overnight a cashier's check to me. Paying $450 OBO (has anybody asked how much lower he would go?) for a loaded Jamman is not that unrealistic right now (go find one for $200...right). And tell me where you could get a Jamman fully loaded for that price when it was new? I paid about $400 for my first one and the memory was way over $100 at the time. I'm not saying it's right...it's just that the fickle laws of supply and demand still rule. rare out of production unit that is *currently* desireable = lots o' money. I saw a cherry '57 Corvette for sale the other day...$50,000. If anybody's interested in a steal like this...i could probably get you the number. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 20:13:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28402; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 20:12:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 20:12:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.214.36.223] From: "Haresh Bakshi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tamboura [Tanpura] loops Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 01:11:24 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2001 01:11:25.0142 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B6A0760:01C09ADA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, James, Better still, the DIGITAL versions, now available, are actual tanpura samples etched into EPROM. But I am looking for a software-based, programmable loops. Haresh. ---------------- James Pokorny wrote: ----------------- >From: "James Pokorny" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: , >Subject: Re: Tamboura [Tanpura] loops >Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:49:15 -0500 > >Namaskar, Haresh, aur swagatam! > >Go to http://www.radelindia.com/products.htm > >and click on the samples for the Saarang, Maestro and Dhruva. >They're not really tanpura loops, per se, but good electronic equivalents. > >James > -----Original Message----- > From: Haresh Bakshi > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Monday, February 19, 2001 5:55 PM > Subject: Tamboura [Tanpura] loops > > > I joined this group just now. > Could someone lead me to tamboura [tanpura] loops, please? > Thanks. > Haresh. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 20:48:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29233; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 20:46:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 20:46:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A91CC9F.D7B89078@twcny.rr.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 20:47:12 -0500 From: harriett Reply-To: hconti@twcny.rr.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS:Lexicon Vortex Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lexicon Vortex in exellent condition with its original box ,footswitch, and manual. I am also including a Roland EV-5 pedal for use with the Vortex. This stuff is clean ,functional and totally legit. $200.00 Peter Dawson (315) 469-5157 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 21:28:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30547; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:26:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:26:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A91D2E3.CE743576@cvn.net> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:13:55 -0500 From: JEFF LASORSA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MY FRIEND STEVE BERSON HAS HIS OWN PERSONAL SITE WITH GREAT MUSIC FROM HIS ORCHESTRA INVERThttp://www.jps.net/sberson/ References: <20010216161249.9034.qmail@web110.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D0C3BDCC33159EDA24908BC8" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------D0C3BDCC33159EDA24908BC8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MY FRIEND STEVE BERSON HAS HIS OWN PERSONAL SITE WITH GREAT MUSIC FROM HIS ORCHESTRA INVERT ITS LOOP STYLE COOL IM A HUGE FAN JEFF CHECK IT OUThttp://www.jps.net/sberson/ keith mckenney wrote: > that is a nice loop at http://www.pax.co.jp/images/intro.swf > > You can also find a couple of loops at http://www.ralphamerica.com , > the Residents' merch site (you'll need a flash plug-in). Play them all > at once and hypnotize your co-workers! > > I'd love to know of anymore sites w/loops...please post any you know. > > thanks > > -Uncle Duane > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. --------------D0C3BDCC33159EDA24908BC8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  
MY FRIEND STEVE BERSON  HAS HIS OWN PERSONAL SITE WITH GREAT MUSIC FROM HIS ORCHESTRA INVERT ITS LOOP STYLE COOL IM A HUGE FAN  JEFF  CHECK IT OUThttp://www.jps.net/sberson/
keith mckenney wrote:
that is a nice loop at http://www.pax.co.jp/images/intro.swf

You can also find a couple of loops at http://www.ralphamerica.com , the Residents' merch site (you'll need a flash plug-in). Play them all at once and hypnotize your co-workers!

I'd love to know of anymore sites w/loops...please post any you know.

thanks

-Uncle Duane
 

Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices.
--------------D0C3BDCC33159EDA24908BC8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 22:20:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32171; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 22:19:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 22:19:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:18:30 -0800 Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle]: Electrochakra @ OK Hotel, 2/20/01 9PM From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The loop-happy Electrochakra will be playing at the OK Hotel (212 Alaskan Way S.) on Tuesday, February 20th at 9PM for one set, and one set only. Beecraft will be playing afterwards. Admission is $5. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Electrochakra -- MP3's and calendar of upcoming shows available at: www.mp3.com/electrochakra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 23:19:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02195; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:17:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:17:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.92.215.87] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Audience for "out" music Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:16:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2001 04:16:51.0330 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3239620:01C09AF3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre La Fosse: It could just be my imagination, but it seems like there's actually an increasing receptiveness for "new" music on the part of a lot of listeners these days. I keep thinking of the cross-breeding that's been going on between some of the "post-rock" or "alternative" schools of thought with "new music" over the last few years -- Jim O'Rourke, Thrill Jockey records, John Fahey, the Fibbers, the Sonic Youth EPs, etc. Me: I too would like to hear thoughts on this. I recently attended a show by Charms of the Night Sky (quartet of Dave Douglas, Mark Feldman, Guy Kluvesek(sp?), a bassist), with local Tampa Bay avant jazz band Shim opening at Club More in Clearwater. The place was packed! And I mean, packed, in a larger-than-normal sized club! Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 19 23:56:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02909; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:54:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:54:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:00:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Audience for "out" music Resent-Message-ID: <1yas1D.A.Ot.Hifk6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Andre La Fosse: > >It could just be my imagination, but it seems like there's actually an >increasing receptiveness for "new" music on the part of a lot of >listeners these days. I keep thinking of the cross-breeding that's been >going on between some of the "post-rock" or "alternative" schools of >thought with "new music" over the last few years -- Jim O'Rourke, Thrill >Jockey records, John Fahey, the Fibbers, the Sonic Youth EPs, etc. > >Me: > >I too would like to hear thoughts on this. I recently attended a show by >Charms of the Night Sky (quartet of Dave Douglas, Mark Feldman, Guy >Kluvesek(sp?), a bassist), with local Tampa Bay avant jazz band Shim opening >at Club More in Clearwater. The place was packed! And I mean, packed, in a >larger-than-normal sized club! > I had the honor of running sound for the Charms of the Night Sky band in Portland OR, and that show was sold out! It's Greg Cohen on bass, also plays with Zorn's Masada and Tom Waits. Amazing show, and very cool to see the audience it brought out. I find it pretty interesting that we still refer to this as "new" music. I mean, when was Ornette's Free Jazz recorded, 1964? Bitches Brew is over 30 years old! And this stuff still stirs controversy, at least among the Marsalis/Burns axis. I think that what Dave Douglas, among others, is doing is really the mainstream of jazz for the present day, he's just considered a radical because his history of jazz doesn't end in 1965. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 00:39:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04222; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 00:38:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 00:38:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c09afe$e5bccbe0$a128059a@hal> Reply-To: "Christian Leduc" From: "Christian Leduc" To: References: Subject: Re: Tamboura [Tanpura] loops Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 00:35:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <5Lxz9B.A.tBB.5Kgk6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's a program called Swar Shala I think that can do this kind of things... If I remeber correctly, you have to buy it if yo want real options and more instruments (tambura being one of them)... The thing is great for Tabla loops... You choose the tala you want and the software do it... nice little program.. the sound samples are in WAV formats and they are real instruments.. best, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haresh Bakshi" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 1:11 AM Subject: Re: Tamboura [Tanpura] loops > Thanks, James, > Better still, the DIGITAL versions, now available, are actual tanpura > samples etched into EPROM. But I am looking for a software-based, > programmable loops. > Haresh. > > > ---------------- James Pokorny wrote: ----------------- > >From: "James Pokorny" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: , > >Subject: Re: Tamboura [Tanpura] loops > >Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:49:15 -0500 > > > >Namaskar, Haresh, aur swagatam! > > > >Go to http://www.radelindia.com/products.htm > > > >and click on the samples for the Saarang, Maestro and Dhruva. > >They're not really tanpura loops, per se, but good electronic equivalents. > > > >James > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Haresh Bakshi > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Date: Monday, February 19, 2001 5:55 PM > > Subject: Tamboura [Tanpura] loops > > > > > > I joined this group just now. > > Could someone lead me to tamboura [tanpura] loops, please? > > Thanks. > > Haresh. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 00:44:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04385; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 00:42:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 00:42:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c09aff$7949edc0$a128059a@hal> Reply-To: "Christian Leduc" From: "Christian Leduc" To: References: Subject: Re: Audience for "out" music Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 00:39:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <3yVyaB.A.SEB.wOgk6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know that Zorn is coming with Fred Frith in Victoriaville (near Quebec city)... In may.. Damn, at this time, I will be somewhere in Italy or Germany!! Well, I don't regret to travel.... but the timing sucks.. :) I hate to miss great shows... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Trenkel" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 12:00 AM Subject: Re: Audience for "out" music > >Andre La Fosse: > > > >It could just be my imagination, but it seems like there's actually an > >increasing receptiveness for "new" music on the part of a lot of > >listeners these days. I keep thinking of the cross-breeding that's been > >going on between some of the "post-rock" or "alternative" schools of > >thought with "new music" over the last few years -- Jim O'Rourke, Thrill > >Jockey records, John Fahey, the Fibbers, the Sonic Youth EPs, etc. > > > >Me: > > > >I too would like to hear thoughts on this. I recently attended a show by > >Charms of the Night Sky (quartet of Dave Douglas, Mark Feldman, Guy > >Kluvesek(sp?), a bassist), with local Tampa Bay avant jazz band Shim opening > >at Club More in Clearwater. The place was packed! And I mean, packed, in a > >larger-than-normal sized club! > > > I had the honor of running sound for the Charms of the Night Sky band in > Portland OR, and that show was sold out! It's Greg Cohen on bass, also > plays with Zorn's Masada and Tom Waits. Amazing show, and very cool to see > the audience it brought out. > > I find it pretty interesting that we still refer to this as "new" music. I > mean, when was Ornette's Free Jazz recorded, 1964? Bitches Brew is over 30 > years old! And this stuff still stirs controversy, at least among the > Marsalis/Burns axis. I think that what Dave Douglas, among others, is doing > is really the mainstream of jazz for the present day, he's just considered > a radical because his history of jazz doesn't end in 1965. > > ____________________________________________ > Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org > New & Improv Media > http://www.newandimprov.com > Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub > ____________________________________________ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 01:12:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05319; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 01:10:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 01:10:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "nospam" To: Subject: RE: gig spam - LA Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 22:13:27 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002301c09abd$e72916a0$7bb387d8@cliff> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah... the Aux jack is only loop... no dry signal... very handy -----Original Message----- From: MediaOne [mailto:clifsound@mediaone.net] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 1:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gig spam - LA a/b switch before the EDP- 1 out to EDP, 1 out to main amp- set EDP to 100% wet- another a/b after EDP- 1 out to drum monitor, 1 out to main amp- set a/b switches to both a and b- you may need resistance mixer to get both signals into main amp- that's the most complicated soloution I could come up with.... ;) cliff > how could this idea be implemented from a EDP, Jamman or DL4, etc? > How would you split the line so guitar and loop go to the regular > amp, but just the loop goes to the aux amp for the drummer to lock to? > > nice. > > rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 01:24:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05602; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 01:22:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 01:22:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: "out" music = derivitive of jazz? Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 22:21:24 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2001 06:21:24.0919 (UTC) FILETIME=[59BEC470:01C09B05] Resent-Message-ID: <1MDN5B.A.TXB.E0gk6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How much of this "new" music would people say is a derivitive of jazz? Often I'm considered a "new" musician (not my favorite term due to vagueness) or an "out" musician, but I really don't place much weight on jazz as part of my musical development. I've heard some Coleman and Davis albums, but really didn't weigh in on them that much. Maybe I'm young enough (age = 25) to have a feeling that this sort of stuff has "always existed". San Francisco has a thriving experimental music scene (for example, electronic music that isn't dance, homemade instruments, sampling music, noise music, minimalism, that sort of thing). One of the strangest things about it is that all the venues for experimental music point about 80% of their resources towards jazz and free jazz. Local composers, bookers, and promoters also group experimental music with the jazz forms into something they call "creative music" - a term that seems to have more than its share of both ambiguity and pretense. Sure, I can see how many of the groups and musicians that were listed on the original post (Thrill Jockey, Masada, Zorn, Tom Waits, etc...) come from a jazz background, but not everything that's "new" and "out there" is derived particularly from a few jazz albums released in the 60's, is it? Matt >From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) >I find it pretty interesting that we still refer to this as "new" music. I >mean, when was Ornette's Free Jazz recorded, 1964? Bitches Brew is over 30 >years old! And this stuff still stirs controversy, at least among the >Marsalis/Burns axis. I think that what Dave Douglas, among others, is doing >is really the mainstream of jazz for the present day, he's just considered >a radical because his history of jazz doesn't end in 1965. > >____________________________________________ >Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org >New & Improv Media >http://www.newandimprov.com >Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub >____________________________________________ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 01:58:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06289; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 01:56:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 01:56:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.163.200.30] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT:Re: Audience for "out" music Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 01:54:59 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2001 06:54:59.0651 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A9E7930:01C09B0A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I dont think it's just your imagination, but you neglected to mention some of the modern day standards, Tortoise, The Sea & Cake, Isotope 217? With players like John McEntyre, John Herdon, Jeff Parker,Bundy K Brown, Rob Mazurek, Chad Taylor, & Dan Bitney? How could you not respect that? I've been seeing packed places with somwhat obscure bands for a little while now, enough to say it's not just a fleeting glimpse of what could be, it's a wonderful transition into what it's going to become! The People are coming' around they are! And we get to watch it all! What a wonderful world this can be! People are getting sick of all this poppy stuff, and they are starting to think for themselves, slowly but surely. Some of them just need a little guidance!:) Pete. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 02:05:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07180; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 02:04:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 02:04:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20010220004045.00a11700@mail.mindspring.com> X-Sender: mattu@mail.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 01:04:46 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matt U Subject: Re: "out" music = derivitive of jazz? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, and the very examples you mention are a perfect start for elaboration. Thrill Jockey - well, that's a label, but if you say Tortoise, you've got dub, Steve Reich, a certain amount of prog-rock, a certain amount of Autechre, and some good ole' indie rock. Sea & Cake could bring up Velvet Undergound and A.C. Jobim. Town & Country harks to Morton Feldman. What makes Masada interesting (to me anyway) is not that they sound like a 60's Ornette Coleman Quartet, but that they're so based in traditional Jewish music. Tom Waits pulls in so much blues and theatrical things - Kurt Weill. Also, in much music being made today that I think fits into what we're discussing, there's sparks from John Fahey, Derek Bailey, Morton Feldman, Steve Reich, Morton Subotnick, Karlheinz Stockhausen, LaMonte Young, Captain Beefheart, Velvet Underground, Tony Conrad, John Cage; a whole list of what might be called "outsider music", where the practioners where working outside of the commonly held values of genre. There's a lot of wild and woolly shit out there, much of it really worth hearing. Of course that still includes Miles, Mingus, Coleman, Coltrane, Dolphy, etc... (hell, let's throw in Ellington, Art Tatum, James P. Johnson...) Matt At 10:21 PM 2/19/01 -0800, matt davignon wrote: >Sure, I can see how many of the groups and musicians that were listed on >the original post (Thrill Jockey, Masada, Zorn, Tom Waits, etc...) come >from a jazz background, but not everything that's "new" and "out there" is >derived particularly from a few jazz albums released in the 60's, is it? > >Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 02:44:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07872; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 02:41:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 02:41:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A921F60.AFAF3257@dmans.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 01:40:16 -0600 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Rangs, loops and life in general Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers, I have a pop in the hospital, a girl friend with a 6 year old girl that's acting out at school, 2 bands, and... oh yeah, Boomerang Musical Products. So life is full. Why is this relevant? I'm going to unsubscribe for a while to save a bit of time. So I won't be monitoring LD posts for Rang comments. I've been a long time lurker and occasional commentator. Remember the thumb piano vs sax vs DJ thread? Whew. If there are any questions other than "which looper should I buy", that need my attention, please forward them to mnelson@boomerangmusic.com. You should buy a Boomerang Plus Phrase Sampler, of course. So here's the state of the union. All Rangs shipped since 1 Jan 2001 have and will be Plus models, i.e. with the V2 hardware and software upgrade. All existing Rangs can be upgraded to the faster processor and new feature set with the addition of the V2 module (new AD/DA converter is required in really old units). Soon our old, old web site will be upgraded and have new pictures, the new manual and details about the V2 upgrade for owners of classic Rangs. I'd like to thank Kim for his work on an excellent web site and running a first class mailing list. Talk to yous guys later on... later on... later on... no retal... no retal... no retal... -- Mike Nelson Shipping address for repairs & upgrades: 305 Easton Road Dallas, TX 75218 Boomerang Musical Products PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 800-530-4699 * 214-340-6913, Outside USA * 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 02:45:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08053; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 02:44:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 02:44:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:43:42 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: "out" music = derivitive of jazz? In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:21 PM -0800 2/19/01, matt davignon wrote: >How much of this "new" music would people say is a derivitive of >jazz? Often I'm considered a "new" musician (not my favorite term >due to vagueness) or an "out" musician, but I really don't place >much weight on jazz as part of my musical development. I've heard >some Coleman and Davis albums, but really didn't weigh in on them >that much. Maybe I'm young enough (age = 25) to have a feeling that >this sort of stuff has "always existed". "New music" is a term that became popular in the late 1920s to describe music that grew out of the classical tradition but was avant garde, experimental, or at least fresh and alive. The New Music Society of California was founded in San Francisco by the composer Henry Cowell in 1927. Some of that music was influenced by jazz, but much of jazz was also influenced by the modern classical composers. That give and take has been going on for so long that the question of priority and influence is probably moot at this point. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 02:47:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08187; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 02:46:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 02:46:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A922093.E26EEF99@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:45:22 -0800 From: Andre Lafosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT:Re: Audience for "out" music References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pete Mundt wrote: > > I dont think it's just your imagination, but you neglected to mention some > of the modern day standards, Tortoise, The Sea & Cake, Isotope 217? With > players like John McEntyre, John Herdon, Jeff Parker,Bundy K Brown, Rob > Mazurek, Chad Taylor, & Dan Bitney? How could you not respect that? Hi Pete, In my original post I made mention of Thrill Jockey records, which I believe releases albums by nearly everyone you mentioned above. I thought it easier to name the flagship label, as opposed to the roster itself. I'll also readily admit I'm not so well-versed in the "post-rock" (weird term, I know) realm as I might like, so perhaps you could recommend some listening? I did have a copy of Tortoise's TNT for a while, and while there was some very interesting stuff on it, I did find it rather emotionally detatched (to my ears, at least...) --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 02:58:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08525; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 02:55:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 02:55:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 03:01:35 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Burnett To: Christian Leduc Cc: Subject: Re: Tamboura [Tanpura] loops In-Reply-To: <002901c09afe$e5bccbe0$a128059a@hal> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Christian Leduc wrote: > There's a program called Swar Shala I think that can do this kind of > things... If I remeber correctly, you have to buy it if yo want real options > and more instruments (tambura being one of them)... > > The thing is great for Tabla loops... You choose the tala you want and the > software do it... nice little program.. the sound samples are in WAV formats > and they are real instruments.. http://www.swarsystems.com/SwarShala/ http://www.swarsystems.com/TaalTrax/ best, Steve Burnett > > best, > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Haresh Bakshi" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 1:11 AM > Subject: Re: Tamboura [Tanpura] loops > > > > Thanks, James, > > Better still, the DIGITAL versions, now available, are actual tanpura > > samples etched into EPROM. But I am looking for a software-based, > > programmable loops. > > Haresh. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 08:08:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA15810; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 08:06:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 08:06:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <39.10e0b685.27c3c58d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 08:05:17 EST Subject: OT: Re: Liebig show/ Wonder Spray To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ekstasis1@hotmail.com writes: >Damn, I'd love to hear what the SplatterDevil might come up with an 8bit, >mono, 3 sec. sampler/looper! whaddya mean? i do that alla time, even though i don't always git all the way upta 8-bit..... *-) best, SPLuTTeRSMeLL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 08:13:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA15965; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 08:11:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 08:11:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <074601c09b3d$79a57210$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <1.5.4.32.20010215193520.0068ddc8@subnet.virtual-pc.com> <000201c09824$9d6bb4a0$17b46fd4@y5w2s5> <010b01c0983e$55ca4ed0$080210ac@jpalmer> <000201c09a43$043d81c0$fa936fd4@y5w2s5> <023201c09acb$61ee7530$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: Llive llooping, Cardiff, Wales Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 08:03:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i'm thinking that the single space rack mount pc's they sell as > network servers might be cool. > add a flat panel moniter (maybe with a touch screen) > and rack it up with the capybara You know, I've been eyeing those single space rack mount pc's just for that purpose...very intriguing! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 10:13:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18588; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:10:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:10:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.34] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Re: Liebig show/ Wonder Spray Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:08:16 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2001 15:08:16.0354 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3A0F420:01C09B4E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oh...I meant an 8 sec. mono 3bit sampler...or eight 3bit samples? Or was it a bit-off factory-second? Or even a wood bit ( but I think you've probably done that...) Max >From: Hedewa7@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: OT: Re: Liebig show/ Wonder Spray >Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 08:05:17 EST > >ekstasis1@hotmail.com writes: > >Damn, I'd love to hear what the SplatterDevil might come up with an 8bit, > >mono, 3 sec. sampler/looper! >whaddya mean? i do that alla time, even though i don't always git all the >way >upta 8-bit..... >*-) >best, >SPLuTTeRSMeLL > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 11:35:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20698; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:33:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:33:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:24:56 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Re: Liebig show/ Wonder Spray To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02b101c09b59$aa0d0af0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <39.10e0b685.27c3c58d@aol.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ekstasis1@hotmail.com writes: > >Damn, I'd love to hear what the SplatterDevil might come up with an 8bit, > >mono, 3 sec. sampler/looper! > whaddya mean? i do that alla time, even though i don't always git all the way > upta 8-bit..... > *-) > best, > SPLuTTeRSMeLL > LOL! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 11:55:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21150; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:52:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:52:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <9f.1172c79c.27c3fa78@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:51:04 EST Subject: Re: "out" music = derivitive of jazz? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9f.1172c79c.27c3fa78_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9f.1172c79c.27c3fa78_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/20/01 1:22:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, mattdavignon@hotmail.com writes: > but not everything that's "new" and "out there" is derived > particularly from a few jazz albums released in the 60's, is it? > matt.....im afraid it is.....you aint nothin but a jazz-bo.....:).....michael --part1_9f.1172c79c.27c3fa78_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/20/01 1:22:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
mattdavignon@hotmail.com writes:


but not everything that's "new" and "out there" is derived
particularly from a few jazz albums released in the 60's, is it?


matt.....im afraid it is.....you aint nothin but a jazz-bo.....:).....michael --part1_9f.1172c79c.27c3fa78_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 11:57:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21246; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:55:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:55:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.76.86.65] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "out" music = derivitive of jazz? Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:54:13 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2001 16:54:13.0282 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0A73020:01C09B5D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: "out" music = derivitive of jazz? Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 22:21:24 -0800 Sure, I can see how many of the groups and musicians that were listed on the original post (Thrill Jockey, Masada, Zorn, Tom Waits, etc...) come from a jazz background, but not everything that's "new" and "out there" is derived particularly from a few jazz albums released in the 60's, is it? Matt Me: Yup. Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 12:13:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22193; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:10:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:10:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00de01c09a97$7a874b00$3be8173f@vaio> Reply-To: "Kevin Goldsmith" From: "Kevin Goldsmith" To: References: Subject: Re: "out" music = derivitive of jazz? Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:01:39 -0800 Organization: Unit Circle Media MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "matt davignon" > Sure, I can see how many of the groups and musicians that were listed on the > original post (Thrill Jockey, Masada, Zorn, Tom Waits, etc...) come from a > jazz background, but not everything that's "new" and "out there" is derived > particularly from a few jazz albums released in the 60's, is it? > A lot of "out" or "experimental" music that came after that 60's music was at least influenced by it. Maybe you don't listen to that stuff, but a lot of the artists that you admire probably have. Nothing ever springs to the surface without any context. The 60's out jazz has it's roots in earlier music as well. It's a continuum... Kevin Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 12:20:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22499; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:18:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:18:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005801c09b60$98681ea0$5944230a@mlameyer02> X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: "out" music = derivitive of jazz? Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:14:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Naw, I think there's also Shoenberg, Eno, and even Aphex Twin and other folks too that have had a sizable influence or at least played in the same sand box (wittingly or unwittingly). I suppose it's just a matter of your definition. This "new/creative" music we speak of may be only for those "60's jazz" influenced ideas. An atonal inprove by any other name ... Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 11:54 AM Subject: Re: "out" music = derivitive of jazz? > From: "matt davignon" > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: "out" music = derivitive of jazz? > Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 22:21:24 -0800 > > Sure, I can see how many of the groups and musicians that were listed on the > original post (Thrill Jockey, Masada, Zorn, Tom Waits, etc...) come from a > jazz background, but not everything that's "new" and "out there" is derived > particularly from a few jazz albums released in the 60's, is it? > > Matt > > Me: > > Yup. > > Paolo > > ________________________________________________________________ _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 12:24:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22681; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:22:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:22:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 09:21:28 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: paulreisler@earthlink.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Paul Reisler Subject: experience with group buys and repeater Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi-- I called Alto music about the Repeater group buy. Since we would be buying sight unseen and for an unspecified price, I was wondering if any of you had previous experience with group buys with them. Are the prices really that good that it justifies buying without knowing the price or if the unit really works well? I am intrigued. Been using a couple of jammen for live performance in conjunction with acoustic midi guitar for quite sometime and had been planning on going to the echoplex pro, but the repeater looks even more interesting. read the beta manual and am hoping that it's ability to find the loop points especially interesting. i've had more than a few live loops hiccup because of a clumsy right foot. thanks paul reisler Paul Reisler Trapezoid/Ki Theatre PO Box 38 Washington, VA 22747 540.987.3164 540.987.3166 fax zoid@pobox.com www.kitheatre.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 12:29:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22863; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:26:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:26:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006501c09b61$9fe2fc80$5944230a@mlameyer02> X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <005801c09b60$98681ea0$5944230a@mlameyer02> Subject: Re: "out" music = derivitive of jazz? Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:21:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Having said that. I'm curious as to what y'all think of this fella's stuff in the context of our discussion. Experimental? Seems like it. Jazz influenced? hmmmmm http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/7/notlad.html (Don't know the guy myself) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 12:14 PM Subject: Re: "out" music = derivitive of jazz? > Naw, I think there's also Shoenberg, Eno, and even Aphex Twin > and other folks too that have had a sizable influence or at > least played in the same sand box (wittingly or unwittingly). I > suppose it's just a matter of your definition. This > "new/creative" music we speak of may be only for those "60's > jazz" influenced ideas. > > An atonal inprove by any other name ... > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paolo Valladolid" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 11:54 AM > Subject: Re: "out" music = derivitive of jazz? > > > > From: "matt davignon" > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: "out" music = derivitive of jazz? > > Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 22:21:24 -0800 > > > > Sure, I can see how many of the groups and musicians that were > listed on the > > original post (Thrill Jockey, Masada, Zorn, Tom Waits, etc...) > come from a > > jazz background, but not everything that's "new" and "out > there" is derived > > particularly from a few jazz albums released in the 60's, is > it? > > > > Matt > > > > Me: > > > > Yup. > > > > Paolo > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > _ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 12:29:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22867; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:26:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:26:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 09:16:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Audience for "out" music Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dave Trenkel : >at least among the >Marsalis/Burns axis. >I think that what Dave Douglas, among others, is doing >is really the mainstream of jazz for the present day, he's just considered >a radical because his history of jazz doesn't end in 1965. yeah, no kidding...I was waiting for Burn's history of jazz to get to Kenny G for chrissakes. whazzup wit that? wouldn't that have been cool? go off for 18+ hours about how Louis Armstrong is arguably the most important musician of the 20th century... ...and then show Kenny G riffing on top of the old master himself... sorry, couldn't resist. i am not well. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 12:31:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23094; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:30:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:30:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 09:27:42 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Subject: RE: stig's gig Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA22993 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This sounds like it was a GREAT gig! Wish I was there... -m >>> Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com 02/19/01 04:06PM >>> dude! you shoulda said hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! just shows that i should check out pictures of people on their web sites! At the risk of embarassing Steuart, I also want to chime in on the gig at the Knit last night -- what a great, great show. ** okay - - yeah it's embarrassing - - i'm usually trying to alienate people - - just kidding! Scot mentioned to me that this was the first gig this particular group had played together, ** yeah. of course we've all played together for a while so there is the communication thing happening. also, scot's tunes seem to be constructed with a lot of interplay in mind. five good players (if i can put myself in there) and good tunes, well there ya go . . . It was also great to see the crowd there -- not only was it standing room only, but it was extremely diverse: young and old, male and female, hardened new music vets and wide-eyed new inductees alike. All very much into it. ** we were shocked - - we were asking ourselves where the hell all these people came from. very nice and the audience was very receptive and warm. it was really gratifying to meet other folks from the list there as well. very nice evening all around - - though i'm paying a little today at the job (yawn!). to all who went thanks and thanks for the nice comments. both nels and i are using the eh-16 second (though he really kills with it). stig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 13:06:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24188; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:03:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:03:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.75] Reply-To: "Greg S" From: "Greg S" To: References: Subject: Re: experience with group buys and repeater Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:01:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2001 18:01:42.0281 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E0B6790:01C09B67] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com First and foremost: please *DO NOT* post group buy prices publicly to this list. Now on to your questions: > I was wondering if any of you had previous experience > with group buys with them. I have complete faith in Alto for handling the group buy. 2 years ago I was part of an EDP group buy through them and 1 year ago I organized a DL4 group buy through them. Their prices were the best that I could find and Jon is incredibly helpful and supportive of loopers. > Are the prices really that good that it justifies buying without knowing > the price or if the unit really works well? What do you mean by "without knowing the price"? If you've called Alto, they should've given you the price used for the group buy. Perhaps you mean "the price at which other companies will be selling the unit"? If that is the case, simply check out www.musiciansfriend.com for some quick comparison shopping. -Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 13:09:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24339; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:06:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:06:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A92B1DA.B4606320@cabq.gov> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:05:14 -0700 From: Jason Fink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: experience with group buys and repeater References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have no previous experience with Alto Music, but they seem to be held in high regard here on the list... I showed up at Loopers Delight just as the Line6 DL-4 group buy started, but as I had just bought a Headrush, I couldn't justify getting involved at the time. I'm not sure why you didn't get a price, because although it wasn't supposed to be spread around to 'non- group-buy' folks they did quote me a very reasonable dollar amount. Although I am on the list, I couldnt stand waiting any longer and just picked up a used DL-4 to tide me over. If 2 loopers is more than twice the fun, what will 3 be like?!? later, -jas http://www.mp3.com/jasonfink Paul Reisler wrote: > . > > Hi-- > I called Alto music about the Repeater group buy. Since we would be buying > sight unseen and for an unspecified price, I was wondering if any of you > had previous experience with group buys with them. Are the prices really > that good that it justifies buying without knowing the price or if the unit > really works well? > I am intrigued. Been using a couple of jammen for live performance in > conjunction with acoustic midi guitar for quite sometime and had been > planning on going to the echoplex pro, but the repeater looks even more > interesting. read the beta manual and am hoping that it's ability to find > the loop points especially interesting. i've had more than a few live > loops hiccup because of a clumsy right foot. > thanks > paul reisler > > Paul Reisler > Trapezoid/Ki Theatre > PO Box 38 > Washington, VA 22747 > 540.987.3164 > 540.987.3166 fax > zoid@pobox.com > www.kitheatre.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 13:13:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24516; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:11:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:11:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:10:00 EST Subject: Re: experience with group buys and repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_fe.2957233.27c40cf8_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_fe.2957233.27c40cf8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/20/01 1:06:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, jfink@cabq.gov writes: > If 2 loopers is more than twice the fun, what will 3 > be like?!? > a good start.....michael --part1_fe.2957233.27c40cf8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/20/01 1:06:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, jfink@cabq.gov
writes:


If 2 loopers is more than twice the fun,  what will 3
be like?!?


a good start.....michael --part1_fe.2957233.27c40cf8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 13:24:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24790; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:21:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:21:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a001c09b69$60722aa0$5944230a@mlameyer02> X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: More fun with phones Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:17:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I remember that cell phone thread a while back. Here's another dish. Ingredients: 1 phone too much phaser a healthy dose of delay feedback to taste Leave a phone off the hook until you get that annoying beeping sound and then hold the phone up to a mike and run the signal through a phaser/delay array of some kind and play with feedback settings. One of my favorite snacks came from running mic -> phaser -> delay, then feeding back the delayed signal back into phaser (careful with the levels! and keep pets with ears out of the room). Manipulate the phone relative to mic pickup pattern to get volume/tone variations. Serve with brownies or beer (at a safe distance of course). I did this through the 4 stage (?) phaser/delay preset effect on an ASR-10 and was quite pleased with the flavor. Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 13:30:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25001; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:28:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:28:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:26:59 EST Subject: Derivative? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a9.11f3022a.27c410f3_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10501 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a9.11f3022a.27c410f3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I enjoyed the "notlad" stuff on mp3.com - as previously alluded to, i think there's no way to neatly summarize all of the influences that may come to bear on modern music - however, it is clear that jazz has influenced on the improvisitory side and made it possible for people to digest the idea of improvisation as a matter of course, ie, without always going "what the ____ is that?" - people making music now are the product of so many influences that are themselves amalgams of so many influences - kind of like a loop? i think i'm a primary example - i grew up playing piano, sax and clarinet - i learned how to play the mandolin because my banjo playing friend learned how to play dixieland and i thought it was a fair trade off to have me be able to play fiddle tunes - now i play with all of those things and apply the electronic aspects to them - i'm not sure where i'm going with the music, but i find it interesting and alot of fun - i have faith that this is all leading somewhere - while my influences are clearly jazz, i have lots of folk, bluegrass, blues, rock&roll, classical, ethnic and noise/soundscape influences as well - i trust it will all come through in an interesting way - speaking of which, my kids (14, 11 & 5) have grown up listening to my rather eclectic collection of music and sounds and i was amazed to find that each of them really dug my most recent soundscape type of experiment - i took a snippet of a speech by Spiro Agnew from 1969 (you know, the one in which he alleges that the media is anti-american and is controlled by a small group of new york media elite) and looped it in cubase - the phrase is "small group of men" - then applied a rotating bundle of effects from my MPX500 and DL4 - it starts off legible and wanders, at times sounding like a big band is behind it, like a clarinet and saxophone chorus is behind it - and of course, the words get mashed to the point where it sounds like he's saying "some kind of madness" - which i thought was particularly appropriate - there's a rhythmic quality to the results that i find interesting - but i loved it when my 11 year old insisted that i take "small group of men" in the car with us so he could hear it on the way to dinner - he actually sat with me afterwards and listened to all 68 minutes of this!! i feel redeemed - i may be obsessed with music and sound, and not exactly the most normal dad, but this experience made me feel like i must be doing something right? harry --part1_a9.11f3022a.27c410f3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I enjoyed the "notlad" stuff on mp3.com - as previously alluded to, i think
there's no way to neatly summarize all of the influences that may come to
bear on modern music - however, it is clear that jazz has influenced on the
improvisitory side and made it possible for people to digest the idea of
improvisation as a matter of course, ie, without always going "what the ____
is that?" - people making music now are the product of so many influences
that are themselves amalgams of so many influences - kind of like a loop?

i think i'm a primary example - i grew up playing piano, sax and clarinet - i
learned how to play the mandolin because my banjo playing friend learned how
to play dixieland and i thought it was a fair trade off to have me be able to
play fiddle tunes - now i play with all of those things and apply the
electronic aspects to them - i'm not sure where i'm going with the music, but
i find it interesting and alot of fun - i have faith that this is all leading
somewhere - while my influences are clearly jazz, i have lots of folk,
bluegrass, blues, rock&roll, classical, ethnic and noise/soundscape
influences as well - i trust it will all come through in an interesting way -

speaking of which, my kids (14, 11 & 5) have grown up listening to my rather
eclectic collection of music and sounds and i was amazed to find that each of
them really dug my most recent soundscape type of experiment - i took a
snippet of a speech by Spiro Agnew from 1969 (you know, the one in which he
alleges that the media is anti-american and is controlled by a small group of
new york media elite) and looped it in cubase - the phrase is "small group of
men" - then applied  a rotating bundle of effects from my MPX500 and DL4 - it
starts off legible and wanders, at times sounding like a big band is behind
it, like a clarinet and saxophone chorus is behind it - and of course, the
words get mashed to the point where it sounds like he's saying "some kind of
madness" - which i thought was particularly appropriate - there's a rhythmic
quality to the results that i find interesting - but i loved it when my 11
year old insisted that i take "small group of men" in the car with us so he
could hear it on the way to dinner - he actually sat with me afterwards and
listened to all 68 minutes of this!!  i feel redeemed - i may be obsessed
with music and sound, and not exactly the most normal dad, but this
experience made me feel like i must be doing something right?

harry --part1_a9.11f3022a.27c410f3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 13:33:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25198; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:31:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:31:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:30:24 EST Subject: Re: Echoplex and Jamman for sale To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Scott: I'd be interested in the Jamman but, because of the availability of EDP's and the near-release of the Repeater, I'm kind of thinking the old prices are too high. Keep me in mind if you are having trouble with the $475 price and still want to sell. BTW, I bought a used EDP around 6 months ago for $1000. Since Gibson finally opened the floodgates for new units, the used prices have really dropped. I ended up seling it for $700 which was a very good price in the current market. However, I did lose $300 from off of the purchase price. Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 13:57:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25869; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:54:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:54:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 09:37:54 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: experience with group buys and repeater In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:21 AM -0800 2/20/01, Paul Reisler wrote: > >I called Alto music about the Repeater group buy. Since we would be buying >sight unseen and for an unspecified price, I was wondering if any of you >had previous experience with group buys with them. Are the prices really >that good that it justifies buying without knowing the price or if the unit >really works well? Who is coordinating this purchase? A month ago I posted an inquiry to the list to be included but got no response. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 14:33:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27128; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:29:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:29:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:34:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: "out" music = derivitive of jazz? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Also, in much music being made today that I think fits into what we're >discussing, there's sparks from John Fahey, Derek Bailey, Morton Feldman, >Steve Reich, Morton Subotnick, Karlheinz Stockhausen, LaMonte Young, >Captain Beefheart, Velvet Underground, Tony Conrad, John Cage; a whole list >of what might be called "outsider music", where the practioners where >working outside of the commonly held values of genre. There's a lot of >wild and woolly shit out there, much of it really worth hearing. Of course >that still includes Miles, Mingus, Coleman, Coltrane, Dolphy, etc... (hell, >let's throw in Ellington, Art Tatum, James P. Johnson...) > In my original post, the artists I was referring to (Dave Douglas, Stig's group, etc.) do have a strong connection to the jazz tradition. But the point I was trying to make was that this stuff that we refer to as "new" music has really been around for 40+ years, and the quote above bears this out: All the artists you list were active in the '60's, some even in the '50's. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 15:03:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28284; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:02:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:02:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: experience with group buys and repeater Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:58:39 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I called Alto music myself and spoke to someone who said that they didn't know what the group price was going to be and I would find out when the Repeater was finally in. I would sure like to know there group price as well. Thanks, Steve > > What do you mean by "without knowing the price"? If you've > called Alto, > they should've given you the price used for the group buy. > Perhaps you mean > "the price at which other companies will be selling the > unit"? If that is > the case, simply check out www.musiciansfriend.com for some > quick comparison > shopping. > > -Greg > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 15:09:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28516; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:07:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:07:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:06:52 EST Subject: Re: experience with group buys and repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 128 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi-This is Alto music.When the units are in and ready to ship,we will give you the price then.We are giving you guys such great prices that an "accidental disclosure"on a public forum could have an adverse reaction to a number of parties.The longtimers on this board know what I mean.Please be patient and I can assure you that you will be very happy.Thanks again for your patience-Jon from Alto From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 15:11:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28650; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:10:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:10:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cd01c09b78$866aa250$5944230a@mlameyer02> X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: Derivative? Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:05:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I would certainly say you seem to be doing something "interesting" (In fact, if you ever post any of that stuff up somewhere, I'd really want to hear it!) "Right" is a concept I've found difficult to apply to art, not to mention other ideas. I agree wholeheartedly with you're discussion on influences. I was certainly concerned that a discussion of this sort could easily disolve into the whole "what is art?" sort of thing. And I like the loop allusion! I'm personally very excited about the cross-fertilization I perceive in popular music today, and the apparent extent to which today's younger music listeners seem to be more open-minded by and large as a result. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 1:26 PM Subject: Derivative? > I enjoyed the "notlad" stuff on mp3.com - as previously alluded to, i think > there's no way to neatly summarize all of the influences that may come to > bear on modern music - however, it is clear that jazz has influenced on the > improvisitory side and made it possible for people to digest the idea of > improvisation as a matter of course, ie, without always going "what the ____ > is that?" - people making music now are the product of so many influences > that are themselves amalgams of so many influences - kind of like a loop? > > i think i'm a primary example - i grew up playing piano, sax and clarinet - i > learned how to play the mandolin because my banjo playing friend learned how > to play dixieland and i thought it was a fair trade off to have me be able to > play fiddle tunes - now i play with all of those things and apply the > electronic aspects to them - i'm not sure where i'm going with the music, but > i find it interesting and alot of fun - i have faith that this is all leading > somewhere - while my influences are clearly jazz, i have lots of folk, > bluegrass, blues, rock&roll, classical, ethnic and noise/soundscape > influences as well - i trust it will all come through in an interesting way - > > speaking of which, my kids (14, 11 & 5) have grown up listening to my rather > eclectic collection of music and sounds and i was amazed to find that each of > them really dug my most recent soundscape type of experiment - i took a > snippet of a speech by Spiro Agnew from 1969 (you know, the one in which he > alleges that the media is anti-american and is controlled by a small group of > new york media elite) and looped it in cubase - the phrase is "small group of > men" - then applied a rotating bundle of effects from my MPX500 and DL4 - it > starts off legible and wanders, at times sounding like a big band is behind > it, like a clarinet and saxophone chorus is behind it - and of course, the > words get mashed to the point where it sounds like he's saying "some kind of > madness" - which i thought was particularly appropriate - there's a rhythmic > quality to the results that i find interesting - but i loved it when my 11 > year old insisted that i take "small group of men" in the car with us so he > could hear it on the way to dinner - he actually sat with me afterwards and > listened to all 68 minutes of this!! i feel redeemed - i may be obsessed > with music and sound, and not exactly the most normal dad, but this > experience made me feel like i must be doing something right? > > harry > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 15:17:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28806; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:15:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:15:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:14:29 EST Subject: a small group of men To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b3.759b3aa.27c42a25_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_b3.759b3aa.27c42a25_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/20/01 1:28:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, HarryEsq@aol.com writes: > i feel redeemed - i may be obsessed > with music and sound, and not exactly the most normal dad, but this > experience made me feel like i must be doing something right? > harry.....what a great story.....michael --part1_b3.759b3aa.27c42a25_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/20/01 1:28:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, HarryEsq@aol.com
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i feel redeemed - i may be obsessed
with music and sound, and not exactly the most normal dad, but this
experience made me feel like i must be doing something right?


harry.....what a great story.....michael --part1_b3.759b3aa.27c42a25_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 15:44:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29504; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:42:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:42:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014501c09b7f$23b6ac60$0300a8c0@foothilltransit.org> From: "phalen orion" To: References: Subject: Re: experience with group buys and repeater Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:53:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What about those of us that were given a price before? Are you saying that may not be the price? Best, Jonathan << Hi-This is Alto music.When the units are in and ready to ship,we will give you the price then.We are giving you guys such great prices that an "accidental disclosure"on a public forum could have an adverse reaction to a number of parties.The longtimers on this board know what I mean.Please be patient and I can assure you that you will be very happy.Thanks again for your patience-Jon from Alto >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 15:57:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29850; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:55:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:55:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:54:01 EST Subject: "OT" Regarding JAZZ (Ken Burn's Series) To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA29786 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All. I thought I'd send this in as sort of food for thought (and comment). A good friend of mine who is a jazz drummer sent it to me. It's written by another friend who's a fairly visible music journalist. Please no flame wars. The opinions contained herein are not neccessarily mine to begin with (althought I share a similar view on some points). Have fun, T.Killian ________________________________________________________ By Josef Woodard KEN BURNS JAZZ, ROYALLY: This just in: jazz, it turns out, is dead. The fact was duly reported by Ken Burns’s 10-part PBS documentary, called, with encyclopedic sweep, JAZZ. Apparently, jazz reached an early apex, in the feel-good throes of the Swing Era. Then, corruptive influences spoiled the party, including heroin (the program is careful to index those musicians who used the stuff) and a protracted period of confusion, from 1960-2000, which barely even deserves mentioning, let alone chronicling. Thankfully, in the early ’80s, the young wonder, suit-donning Wynton Marsalis, came along to save the music, with chops aplenty and a fierce reactionary bent, sniffing at the guises of fusion, avant-garde, or anything that didn’t suit his shamelessly antiquarian biases about the music (Marsalis, like Ken Burns, is a necrophiliac, saddened by having been born too late). That’s the story of JAZZ. And it’s an unconscionable crock. The infamous finale of JAZZ, in which roughly half of this great music’s evolution was scorned and many of its most important elements patently ignored, screened last week. At the IAJE conference in NYC in January, coproducer Lynn Novick appeared in a panel discussion on JAZZ (Burns was too battle-weary to show his face). She fended off frustrations about the program’s myopia by asking us to suspend judgment until we’d seen the controversial episode. We have seen it and are more incensed than expected. We have seen the sleazy docu-tactics in attempting to discredit the Art Ensemble of Chicago and Cecil Taylor “pettily sneered at by Gene Lees and Branford Marsalis” and how they dismiss Miles Davis’s hugely influential electric period out-of-hand, as if an outgrowth of Miles’s lust for fans and goofy clothes. JAZZ patently ignores important jazz musicians from the ’70s and beyond, including John McLaughlin, Weather Report, and Pat Metheny, who may be the most significant living jazz musician in terms of straddling many worlds. They inexcusably gloss over Keith Jarrett, one of the giants of the current scene (and, it should be noted, a foe of the show’s puppeteer Marsalis clan). We have seen how, in one laughable sequence, they tried to quickly survey current artists, flashing still shots under a Cassandra Wilson vamp that even she would admit has little to do with jazz. In short, Burns, et al. amplify their contempt for anything after, and much before, Coltrane’s death in 1967. The final episode is a blight, which negates the virtues of the project’s earlier segments, and certainly the most infuriatingly imbalanced, culturally suspicious program ever screened on PBS. We need to start a letter campaign to the irresponsible parties. Warning, before we go any further: this column may be tainted. It’s being penned by one of those “jazz critics” who Burns repeatedly claims (even in a pathetic post-show appearance by the mop-top marauder) are an insignificant, elitist minority finding fault in his efforts. He’s badly mistaken. Jazz lovers take their music seriously, not as an idle diversion, and we’re not amused when half the music’s history is casually slandered. Burns, ignorant about jazz, but intrigued by its narrative possibilities (think of the archival imagery!), apparently fell under the spell of the notorious charmer and arch-conservative Wynton Marsalis and his sidekick Stanley Crouch. Somebody neglected to alert Burns to the dark side of his advisors’ agenda, that, in fact, they want to kill the progressive spirit of jazz and turn it into a museum piece. Then there’s also the carpet-bagger factor to consider. Burns is a good filmmaker, and has also learned a trick rare in the parallel universe of documentary-making — turning a tidy profit. Through profits on albums, books, T-shirts, whatever, Burns stands to rake in more lucre than most jazz musicians would make in two lifetimes. And, in a sense, he knows less about jazz than when he started. What the Marsalis mafia failed to impart on him is that, yes, jazz is America’s great music, and it’s very much alive and kicking and evolving, right under Burnsalis. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 15:57:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29852; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:55:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:55:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Message-ID: <82.71a50e2.27c4337b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:54:19 EST Subject: Re: experience with group buys and repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 128 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No-The people that were given a price just happen to know what it is.Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 16:43:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31302; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:41:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:41:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.76.86.65] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #107 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:40:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2001 21:40:14.0745 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5AEA090:01C09B85] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, Mike, I agree with you. And Matt Davignon as well. Paolo From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: Re: "out" music = derivitive of jazz? Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:14:29 -0500 Naw, I think there's also Shoenberg, Eno, and even Aphex Twin and other folks too that have had a sizable influence or at least played in the same sand box (wittingly or unwittingly). I suppose it's just a matter of your definition. This "new/creative" music we speak of may be only for those "60's jazz" influenced ideas. An atonal inprove by any other name ... Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 11:54 AM Subject: Re: "out" music = derivitive of jazz? >From: "matt davignon" >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: "out" music = derivitive of jazz? >Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 22:21:24 -0800 > >Sure, I can see how many of the groups and musicians that were listed on the >original post (Thrill Jockey, Masada, Zorn, Tom Waits, etc...) come from a >jazz background, but not everything that's "new" and "out there" is derived >particularly from a few jazz albums released in the 60's, is it? > >Matt > >Me: > >Yup. > >Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 17:41:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00875; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:39:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:39:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c09b8d$677ccca0$a328059a@hal> Reply-To: "Christian Leduc" From: "Christian Leduc" To: References: Subject: Re: "OT" Regarding JAZZ (Ken Burn's Series) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:35:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com fff... It's quite an heavy critic!!! :) I think the "Marsalis mafia" is a bit hard!! :).. But it is true that the first question I found asking myself was: "Where are Mclaughlin, Metheny and the others?"... and I was wondering why Burns considered that the story stopped in the early 70's by the death of Armstrong and the Duke (I respect them a lot, though)... What is beautiful about Jazz, it's that it never stops.... The music is still alive... I think Zorn and cie prove that with Masada... It evolves... Zorn did the same thing that Coltrane or McLaughlin or Mingus did, he merges elements together... But with a new point of view... I think this is JAZZ... I understood something recently... I consider myself as a Jazz fan (I love Miles, Trane, Mingus, Zorn, McLaughlin and so on) and when I say that to other people, they often respond: "Eurk, I never dig that trumpet-thing with tie and uniform"... And Burns continues to promote that idea with JAZZ and it is sad I think.. Big bands, ties and trumpet are only small parts of what is called Jazz.. Best, ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 3:54 PM Subject: "OT" Regarding JAZZ (Ken Burn's Series) > Hi All. > > I thought I'd send this in as sort of food for thought (and comment). A good friend of mine who is a jazz drummer sent it to me. It's written by another friend who's a fairly visible music journalist. > > Please no flame wars. The opinions contained herein are not neccessarily mine to begin with (althought I share a similar view on some points). > > Have fun, > > T.Killian > > ________________________________________________________ > > By Josef Woodard > > KEN BURNS JAZZ, ROYALLY: > > This just in: jazz, it turns out, is dead. The fact was duly reported by Ken Burns's 10-part PBS documentary, called, with encyclopedic sweep, JAZZ. Apparently, jazz reached an early apex, in the feel-good throes of the Swing Era. Then, corruptive influences spoiled the party, including heroin (the program is careful to index those musicians who used the stuff) and a protracted period of confusion, from 1960-2000, which barely even deserves mentioning, let alone chronicling. > > Thankfully, in the early '80s, the young wonder, suit-donning Wynton Marsalis, came along to save the music, with chops aplenty and a fierce reactionary bent, sniffing at the guises of fusion, avant-garde, or anything that didn't suit his shamelessly antiquarian biases about the music (Marsalis, like Ken Burns, is a necrophiliac, saddened by having been born too late). > > That's the story of JAZZ. And it's an unconscionable crock. The infamous finale of JAZZ, in which roughly half of this great music's evolution was scorned and many of its most important elements patently ignored, screened last week. At the IAJE conference in NYC in January, coproducer Lynn Novick appeared in a panel discussion on JAZZ (Burns was too battle-weary to show his face). She fended off frustrations about the program's myopia by asking us to suspend judgment until we'd seen the controversial episode. > > We have seen it and are more incensed than expected. We have seen the sleazy docu-tactics in attempting to discredit the Art Ensemble of Chicago and Cecil Taylor "pettily sneered at by Gene Lees and Branford Marsalis" and how they dismiss Miles Davis's hugely influential electric period out-of-hand, as if an outgrowth of Miles's lust for fans and goofy clothes. JAZZ patently ignores important jazz musicians from the '70s and beyond, including John McLaughlin, Weather Report, and Pat Metheny, who may be the most significant living jazz musician in terms of straddling many worlds. They inexcusably gloss over Keith Jarrett, one of the giants of the current scene (and, it should be noted, a foe of the show's puppeteer Marsalis clan). > > We have seen how, in one laughable sequence, they tried to quickly survey current artists, flashing still shots under a Cassandra Wilson vamp that eve n she would admit has little to do with jazz. In short, Burns, et al. amplify their contempt for anything after, and much before, Coltrane's death in 1967. The final episode is a blight, which negates the virtues of the project's earlier segments, and certainly the most infuriatingly imbalanced, culturally suspicious program ever screened on PBS. We need to start a letter campaign to the irresponsible parties. > > Warning, before we go any further: this column may be tainted. It's being penned by one of those "jazz critics" who Burns repeatedly claims (even in a pathetic post-show appearance by the mop-top marauder) are an insignificant, elitist minority finding fault in his efforts. He's badly mistaken. Jazz lovers take their music seriously, not as an idle diversion, and we're not amused when half the music's history is casually slandered. > > Burns, ignorant about jazz, but intrigued by its narrative possibilities (think of the archival imagery!), apparently fell under the spell of the notorious charmer and arch-conservative Wynton Marsalis and his sidekick Stanley Crouch. Somebody neglected to alert Burns to the dark side of his advisors' agenda, that, in fact, they want to kill the progressive spirit of jazz and turn it into a museum piece. > > Then there's also the carpet-bagger factor to consider. Burns is a good filmmaker, and has also learned a trick rare in the parallel universe of documentary-making - turning a tidy profit. Through profits on albums, books, T-shirts, whatever, Burns stands to rake in more lucre than most jazz musicians would make in two lifetimes. And, in a sense, he knows less about jazz than when he started. What the Marsalis mafia failed to impart on him is that, yes, jazz is America's great music, and it's very much alive and kicking and evolving, right under Burnsalis. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 18:12:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02246; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:10:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:10:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:09:56 +0000 Subject: New Music From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>How much of this "new" music would people say is a derivitive of jazz? Often I'm considered a "new" musician (not my favorite term due to vagueness) or an "out" musician, but I really don't place much weight on jazz as part of my musical development. I've heard some Coleman and Davis albums, but really didn't weigh in on them that much. Maybe I'm young enough (age = 25) to have a feeling that this sort of stuff has "always existed".<<< I'm really really hoping that the term 'new' music will either disappear or be redefined! :o) there's so much in 'new' music that I love, so many artists operating under that banner that I really enjoy, but there is a huge amount of seeming obligation to play weird that can spoil things. I hear (anecdotally) that the London Musicians Collective (free/new music society in London) is incredibly narrow in terms of what they accept as 'out' enough... please correct me if I'm wrong, i hope I am... If it's what the artist hears, then total noise is cool - I'm not trying to limit what people play, in fact more wanting to free up everyone. (FWIW, new music is nowhere near as narrow as 'pop', but that's a lost cause...) labels like 'jazz' 'out' 'new' 'post-rock' blah blah blah can give some clue as to an artists orientation - and for some players, operating within a single field like that is where they are at, and that's cool - stylistic diversity isn't an end in itself - but for those who do cross the boundaries, it can be a real pain to have people labelling what they do... Bill Frisell, Michael Manring, DT, Tony Levin, and loads of others are happy to play 'out' or to drop into sweet melodic stuff without it sounding too 'knowing' or planned, it's just music. I find it hard to get gigs in London, cos i'm not really 'jazz' enough for the mainstream venues, and play too many tunes to play the 'out' venues. So, I put on my own gigs, pull decent crowds, and everyone's happy... so why i'm I complaining? dunno... ...it does make 'loop' music into a fascinating category, as it gives us continuity across any music style! hurrah for looperz Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 18:28:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02679; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:26:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:26:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A92FCE6.A423FE25@alden1.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:25:26 -0800 From: rick Reply-To: rick@aldenincorporated.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: hey now Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey now, I just tuned in, so pardon my interjection.... Well, it seems everyone is quite the jazz fan (I like everything from Ellington to Burrell to Keaggy myself) and probably all or most are musicians as well ( I also play guitar). Perhaps I'll add to the music/jazz history/evolution discussion at some other time, but for now just a few quick questions. Someone, Scott I beleive, has an Echoplex and a Jamman for sale? I am interested! Please contact me with more info. Also, anyone who could compare the Jamman to the Echoplex (easy of use, functionality, old vs. new, etc.) I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 19:18:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04263; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:17:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:17:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c09b9b$74fc45a0$840c78d8@prelayomb> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: Re: New Music Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:15:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am but a lowly guitar player, seeking to please others with my music, but occasionally (and having the right tools helps) I play things which others might consider "out" . . . Certainly in my last band my incorporation of "unauthorized" musical artifacts was considered "inappropriate". But ya know . . . I raised hell over Anna and Stig's musical mayhem, and it really WASN'T my cup of tea. The Scot Ray gig, OTOH, was right up my alley. During their performance, there were times when each player was generating audio which did not directly reference the other players' performances, and even though there were charts and they were using them, I suspect that those moments were largely improvised. Gosh, that makes it "new music''--they were creating it on the spot! But by and large, I would call this a "jazz gig". Several of the grooves were pure funk and the band swung it's ass off. The stuff that was "out" was followed by resolution of one form or another. I like labels, but they are for the listener and the suits marketing the stuff. "Progressive", yes, "Modern", OK, "New", I'll buy it . . . It doesn't matter what you call it, this was great stuff. I suspect there is a market for what I heard Sunday night, if it can find the listeners. I wouldn't call it "out", though--don't scare anybody off. ;^) Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 19:32:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04715; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:30:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:30:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010221002957.24380.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:29:57 -0800 (PST) From: keith mckenney Subject: audience for 'out' music = derivitative of jazz To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-530343261-982715397=:21351" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-530343261-982715397=:21351 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii want to get my 2cents in regarding this lovely topic: I think a lot of kids come to "creative" music via Sonic Youth & out-rockers, at least my circle did. Being the only band on a major label in the early 90's that sounded absolutely like nothing else on the radio (and being label-mates w/Nirvana)--made them the most accesible link to the 'underground' & outsider music. Though this may not be the most academic/noble path, I think it is just as valid. Acessability. Both of the music and the history...What w/the web and all...publications like AMG, Noise From the Underground make it a lot easier if you're looking. It's easy to assume that the younger crowd (my age, 25 and younger?) isn't versed in the origins, etc...but not necessarily true. . And I'm not sure how much that matters in experiencing the music. This acessability has yielded larger audiences I think. When I lived in LA area it seemed like every show featuring Nels had an larger and larger group of spectators...(he's a hero to kids like me)though, I think he is known 'cause of his work w/T. Moore and Geraldine Fibbers (not to say he is undeserving of the attention). Here in Seattle, the annual Improv Festival has a few shows that sell out. Zorn fills huge formal concert halls when he comes through town. There is a growing acceptance. And we see the influence of 100+ years of non-traditional, challenging music everywhere...in a "post-rock", post-Beck/Sonic Youth world, a lot of kids may take for granted the ability to make what ever kind of music/sounds/noise they want and actually find an audience. A lot may not know the history and pump out undisciplined or cliche stuff, but I am thankful we all have that opportunity. And there was the question 'is it all derivitive of jazz'. If you've never heard Ornette or Coltrane, how can it influence you? And besides, we can thank Cage, (thanks for mentioning him earlier) and countless others, for freeing up the palet of sound. He himself didn't seem to have much respect for free jazz. I see at least three lineages--One of Jazz, one of 'New Music' & avant-garde composition (i.e. serious/formal musics), one of rock/pop. Rock can be argued I guess. So, but anyway, my point is, we can make what ever audible phenomenon we want, using whatever we can find, w/o any knowledge of why we can, or what came before that it may bear resemblance to AND captivate an audience and maybe even sell records! I think it's important to keep faith in those younger than us (however old you are) for they are the heirs of this old New Free Music and the future of creative sound formation. thanks for this thread & for whatever music you all make out there :) --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! --0-530343261-982715397=:21351 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

want to get my 2cents in regarding this lovely topic:


I think a lot of kids come to "creative" music via Sonic Youth & out-rockers, at least my circle did.   Being the only band on a major label in the early 90's that sounded absolutely like nothing else on the radio (and being label-mates w/Nirvana)--made them the most accesible link to the 'underground' & outsider music. Though this may not be the most academic/noble path, I think it is just as valid. Acessability. Both of the music and the history...What w/the web and all...publications like AMG, Noise From the Underground make it a lot easier if you're looking. It's easy to assume that the younger crowd (my age, 25 and younger?) isn't versed in the origins, etc...but not necessarily true. . And I'm not sure how much that matters in experiencing the music.


This acessability has yielded larger audiences I think. When I lived in LA area it seemed like every show featuring Nels had an larger and larger group of spectators...(he's a hero to kids like me)though, I think he is known 'cause of his work w/T. Moore and Geraldine Fibbers (not to say he is undeserving of the attention). Here in Seattle, the annual Improv Festival has a few shows that sell out. Zorn fills huge formal concert halls when he comes through town. There is a growing acceptance. And we see the influence of 100+ years of non-traditional, challenging music everywhere...in a "post-rock", post-Beck/Sonic Youth world, a lot of kids may take for granted the ability to make what ever kind of music/sounds/noise they want and actually find an audience. A lot may not know the history and pump out undisciplined or cliche stuff, but I am thankful we all have that opportunity.


And there was the question 'is it all derivitive of jazz'. If you've never heard Ornette or Coltrane, how can it influence you? And besides, we can thank Cage, (thanks for mentioning him earlier) and countless others, for freeing up the palet of sound. He himself didn't seem to have much respect for free jazz. I see at least three lineages--One of Jazz, one of 'New Music' & avant-garde composition (i.e. serious/formal musics), one of rock/pop. Rock can be argued I guess.


So, but anyway, my point is, we can make what ever audible phenomenon we want, using whatever we can find, w/o any knowledge of why we can, or what came before that it may bear resemblance to AND captivate an audience and maybe even sell records! I think it's important to keep faith in those younger than us (however old you are) for they are the heirs of this old New Free Music and the future of creative sound formation.


thanks for this thread & for whatever music you all make out there :)


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Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! --0-530343261-982715397=:21351-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 19:36:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04914; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:35:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:35:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010221003423.3152.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:34:23 -0800 (PST) From: keith mckenney Subject: Re: "OT" Regarding JAZZ (Ken Burn's Series) To: Christian Leduc , "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" In-Reply-To: <001701c09b8d$677ccca0$a328059a@hal> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-522902561-982715663=:1319" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-522902561-982715663=:1319 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It's like your friend read my mind... I like how Cecil Taylor was brought up just so Branford Marsalis could refer to his stuff as "self-indulgent bullshit"...what's up w/that?! anyway, thanks for that article --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! --0-522902561-982715663=:1319 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

It's like your friend read my mind...

I like how Cecil Taylor was brought up just so Branford Marsalis could refer to his stuff as "self-indulgent bullshit"...what's up w/that?!

anyway, thanks for that article


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Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! --0-522902561-982715663=:1319-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 19:52:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05263; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:50:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:50:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c09ba0$325e7e20$067d7d7d@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: New Music Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:49:48 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What Steve Lawson had to say about establishmentism is sadly all too evident in the academician's approach to Art in General: that the question isn't "Is it Art?", but "If it's difficult to categorize and a huge number of people don't all agree as to what it is, is it Art?" Such business creeps dangerously towards populism - which is, alas, also easy to teach as well as document. We're all basically composing, producing, arranging, compositing, and/or performing material which is in itself difficult for people who require such categorization to identify as "Music", much less "Jazz", "Rock", "BeBop", "Swing", etc. We know better than most that there is not a TRUE "in" or "out" to any of the work we do, except for the popular definitions of Those Who Get Heard (For A Variety Of Reasons). Besides playing guitar, some of you might know I do cartoons and illustrations. I've done that longer than I ever played instruments, unless you count the voice I sang with when sitting in a tree drawing at age 3. I put forth this little tidbit from my Art school days, brief as they were, in Syracuse in the late 70s: We were in a General Drawing class, taught by a somewhat self-important fellow of whom I only remember his white hair and matching highland dog, the latter which enjoyed tearing up plastic baby dolls in front of the class while we drew. One day at the completion of a sub-project involving cutting-and-pasting fragments from magazines (which is miraculously not drawing, folks!), this teacher asked the worst question one can ask freshman art students, "What kind of Artist do you want to be?" He asked student after student, allowing each to expand briefly on the topic, but didn't ask me. A girl next to me who liked my work asked him, "Why didn't you ask Steve? He wants to be a cartoonist." The teacher replied, "Why doesn't he want to be an Artist?" I had already been paid several times for producing cartoons for the student paper there, and was then known to not be a classical artist - as if this was some stain upon my artistic character! Such gall and attitudes are unfortunately more than ordinary in the so-called Art Community. Cartoonists I suppose are the stand-up comedians in the drawing world - at their height, the Marx Brothers at the Opera. I did however have the appreciation of the Art History teacher I got, who was a great lover of old comics like Little Nemo, the Toonerville Trolley and Buck Rogers. I guess I could have not chosen a worse role if I wanted respect for my work as a default - and so then looping and ambient-situational music would then become a foregone conclusion as a choice for playing/etc. It's what I DO. And I'm STILL an artist, no matter what the elitists of the community might think. This particular community, you loopers, you sowers of loop, this circle of many - have been perhaps greater inspiration than you might know to me. We continue, no matter what people call our work. It's what we DO. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery.html - Online Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 19:54:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05410; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:53:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:53:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010221003423.3152.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> References: <20010221003423.3152.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:43:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: "OT" Regarding JAZZ (Ken Burn's Series) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I like how Cecil Taylor was brought up just so Branford Marsalis >could refer to his stuff as "self-indulgent bullshit"...what's up >w/that?! uh huh, and Branford's big giant oh-i-wish-i-coulda-been was to be Lester Young playing behind Billie Holiday. that was a good one. poor brandon. all in all, i thoroughly enjoyed the series, with exceptions of Wynton Marsalis, the repetitive use of the same photography across episodes (and not syncronous with the timeline of the story), and the way that the last episode just dropped off into outer space as far as the current jazz innovators. why were none of the current jazzers interviewed, so we could see the passion that drives their music? rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 21:18:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07697; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:11:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:11:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c09ba9$06bb7260$ee0c1a3f@oemcomputer> From: "become_1" To: References: Subject: zvexlooper altomusic groupbuy? Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:38:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2001 02:04:37.0205 (UTC) FILETIME=[A471F050:01C09BAA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lemme see: alto music gives us great prices on group buys alto music carries zvex pedals zvex looper is acomin'..... seems like that ought to add up to something, no? how about it, people? jon? become From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 21:18:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07810; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:13:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:13:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A931CEB.8C5E76C5@altruistmusic.com> References: <20010221002957.24380.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> <3A931CEB.8C5E76C5@altruistmusic.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:03:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: audience for 'out' music = derivitative of jazz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice thoughts Andre... >Something that occured to me when this thread started is that Thurston >Moore and Lee Ranaldo (and I believe Michael Gira as well) spent time in >Glenn Branca's ensembles in the early '80s prior to forming Sonic Youth >(and Swans, in Gira's case). So the cross-breeding bbetween academic >new music and rock goes way back, though it really seems to have come >to a head over the last few years. I haven't taken the time to investigate Branca, but he sure seemed to have tapped into the NY noise/experimental scene for his big guitar ensembles. Page Hamilton of Helmet was also a contributor, if i remember correctly. >but I still remember how different Nirvana >sounded next to everything else coming out of a mainstream AOR rock >radio station 10 years ago (and no, that wasn't my intro to "indie rock" >by any means.) there was a previous thread mentioning how Cobain considered what Nirvana did 'pop music', which if you compare Nirvana's Nevermind to the other bands they either lived in the vicinity of, were labelmates with or toured with...Nirvana was kindof pop music, IMO. Put on Nevermind first...then put on Ozma by the Melvins, or God's Balls by Tad, or Goat by the Jesus Lizard...see which one's your co-workers can hum along too! >Well, there are some people whose influence is so vast and far-reaching >that it impacts an entire zone of music. A kid might start a band >because he loves Limp Bozkit or Korn, without ever having heard Jimi >Hendrix, but you'd be hard pressed to say that Jimi didn't play a >serious role in shaping the musical language that the kid is operating >in 30 years down the road... good point, but... >The kid playing Korn tunes on his Ibanez 7-string guitar might laugh at >someone like Steve Vai, without realizing that Vai was responsible for >designing the Ibanez 7-string eleven years ago... umm...George Van Epps (sp?) This jazz guitarist was playing 7-strings probably before Vai was born. I'm still searching for more info on this dude...anybody know more, or have recording suggestions? I know a guitar manufacturer (Gretch?) released a Van Epps 7-string guitar way back, so phooey on Ibanez/Vai, even though your point is valid! :) I was thinking it would be so fun to pick up a Van Epps seven string...if i could find one...they're a big semi-hollow jazz style guitars... and start playing all that downtuned Korn/Bizkit shit on it... best, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 21:18:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07808; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:13:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:13:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A932025.1649FC56@virtulink.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:55:49 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: audience for 'out' music = derivitative of jazz References: <20010221002957.24380.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> <3A931CEB.8C5E76C5@altruistmusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <32Sqx.A.s4B.CQyk6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre Lafosse wrote: > Something that occured to me when this thread started is that Thurston > Moore and Lee Ranaldo (and I believe Michael Gira as well) spent time in > Glenn Branca's ensembles in the early '80s prior to forming Sonic Youth > (and Swans, in Gira's case). So the cross-breeding bbetween academic > new music and rock goes way back, though it really seems to have come > to a head over the last few years. I'm pretty sure that by the time Branca had his own bands, there was no academic affiliation. He was/is just a Downtown composer with a art rock thing happening. It's not like he's a professor at some school. Once the drums kick in, it just sounds like a big rock band to me. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 21:19:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06926; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:42:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:42:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A931CEB.8C5E76C5@altruistmusic.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:42:04 -0800 From: Andre Lafosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: audience for 'out' music = derivitative of jazz References: <20010221002957.24380.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com keith mckenney wrote: > I think a lot of kids come to "creative" music via Sonic Youth & > out-rockers, at least my circle did. Something that occured to me when this thread started is that Thurston Moore and Lee Ranaldo (and I believe Michael Gira as well) spent time in Glenn Branca's ensembles in the early '80s prior to forming Sonic Youth (and Swans, in Gira's case). So the cross-breeding bbetween academic new music and rock goes way back, though it really seems to have come to a head over the last few years. > It's easy to assume that the younger crowd > (my age, 25 and younger?) isn't versed in the origins, etc...but not > necessarily true. . And I'm not sure how much that matters in > experiencing the music. The only reason I mentioned age and experience with "new music" was because there's often an assumption that people who aren't seriously into that genre either "can't" or "won't" enjoy it. Seeing the reaction at the Scot Ray gig at the Knit was a great debunking of that idea. Of course, it could be that every single person in there, regardless of age, had copies of the Ornette Coleman and Merzbow boxed sets in constant rotation at home, but there was a certain aspect to the vibe in the audience (I can't quite find the word to describe it) that makes me doubt it was a crowd of total converts ahead of time. (There was one guy who had a great "I like this, but I don't quite believe what I'm hearing" look on his face for most of the show.) And hey, I'm 26, so I'm not trying to pull rank with you! > And we see the influence of 100+ years of non-traditional, > challenging music everywhere...in a "post-rock", post-Beck/Sonic Youth > world, a lot of kids may take for granted the ability to make what > ever kind of music/sounds/noise they want and actually find an > audience. That's another thing that occurs to me: after a decade of alternative rock and hip-hop being mainstream musics, I think a lot of listeners' ears have been tuned to more abrasive and unconventional sounds. I know it sounds kind of quaint, but I still remember how different Nirvana sounded next to everything else coming out of a mainstream AOR rock radio station 10 years ago (and no, that wasn't my intro to "indie rock" by any means.) > If you've > never heard Ornette or Coltrane, how can it influence you? Well, there are some people whose influence is so vast and far-reaching that it impacts an entire zone of music. A kid might start a band because he loves Limp Bozkit or Korn, without ever having heard Jimi Hendrix, but you'd be hard pressed to say that Jimi didn't play a serious role in shaping the musical language that the kid is operating in 30 years down the road... Somebody might start a band influenced by Mr. Bungle without having heard Ornette or Derek Bailey... The kid playing Korn tunes on his Ibanez 7-string guitar might laugh at someone like Steve Vai, without realizing that Vai was responsible for designing the Ibanez 7-string eleven years ago... A Nine Inch Nails or Marilyn Manson fan could do an industrial project without knowing about Throbbing Gristle or Einstrunzende Neubauten (or even Skinny Puppy, for that matter...) And so on. Good thread, good thread. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 21:22:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07967; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:18:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:18:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: audience for 'out' music = derivitative of jazz Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:17:09 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2001 02:17:10.0071 (UTC) FILETIME=[65302C70:01C09BAC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com



>From: Andre Lafosse

>A Nine Inch Nails or Marilyn Manson fan could do an industrial project

>without knowing about Throbbing Gristle or Einstrunzende Neubauten (or

>even Skinny Puppy, for that matter...)
>
>And so on.

>

Haha, speaking of NIN and Marilyn Manson fans starting bands, remember that band Orgy that did an industrial music cover of the New Order tune "Black Monday"? I had a theory that the reason that the song wasn't such a big hit was because all the 15 year old boys who would have normally liked the song were pissed off because they had to change the name of their suburban garage bands to something other than "Orgy".


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 21:23:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07167; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:57:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:57:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:02:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: audience for 'out' music = derivitative of jazz Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >keith mckenney wrote: > >> I think a lot of kids come to "creative" music via Sonic Youth & >> out-rockers, at least my circle did. > >Something that occured to me when this thread started is that Thurston >Moore and Lee Ranaldo (and I believe Michael Gira as well) spent time in >Glenn Branca's ensembles in the early '80s prior to forming Sonic Youth >(and Swans, in Gira's case). So the cross-breeding bbetween academic >new music and rock goes way back, though it really seems to have come >to a head over the last few years. And goes back even earlier than that. John Cale, before joining the Velvet Underground, was a member of LaMonte Young's circle. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 21:47:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08736; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:44:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:44:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A932AB6.CB672DB3@virtulink.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:40:54 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: audience for 'out' music = derivitative of jazz References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dave Trenkel wrote: > > >keith mckenney wrote: > > > >> I think a lot of kids come to "creative" music via Sonic Youth & > >> out-rockers, at least my circle did. > > > >Something that occured to me when this thread started is that Thurston > >Moore and Lee Ranaldo (and I believe Michael Gira as well) spent time in > >Glenn Branca's ensembles in the early '80s prior to forming Sonic Youth > >(and Swans, in Gira's case). So the cross-breeding bbetween academic > >new music and rock goes way back, though it really seems to have come > >to a head over the last few years. > > And goes back even earlier than that. John Cale, before joining the Velvet > Underground, was a member of LaMonte Young's circle. That's spelled La Monte. John Cale was an academic who crossed over into rock. I don't have the Wire interview handy, but he was in NYC on a grant as a student (I think). He started playing with La Monte in the Theatre of Eternal music and later joined the rock band the Velvet Underground. La Monte has never had any kind of academic affiliation after graduating university, existing on grants and patrons - as far as I know. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 20 21:56:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09082; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:55:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:55:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20010220205426.007e93f0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:54:26 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: audience for 'out' music = derivitative of jazz In-Reply-To: <20010221002957.24380.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My 2 cents. It all comes from the inside out. There are no walls. Go for it. Now, back to writing my surf music piece. M.. At 04:29 PM 2/20/01 -0800, you wrote: >>>> want to get my 2cents in regarding this lovely topic: I think a lot of kids come to "creative" music via Sonic Youth & out-rockers, at least my circle did. Being the only band on a major label in the early 90's that sounded absolutely like nothing else on the radio (and being label-mates w/Nirvana)--made them the most accesible link to the 'underground' & outsider music. Though this may not be the most academic/noble path, I think it is just as valid. Acessability. Both of the music and the history...What w/the web and all...publications like AMG, Noise From the Underground make it a lot easier if you're looking. It's easy to assume that the younger crowd (my age, 25 and younger?) isn't versed in the origins, etc...but not necessarily true. . And I'm not sure how much that matters in experiencing the music. This acessability has yielded larger audiences I think. When I lived in LA area it seemed like every show featuring Nels had an larger and larger group of spectators...(he's a hero to kids like me)though, I think he is known 'cause of his work w/T. Moore and Geraldine Fibbers (not to say he is undeserving of the attention). Here in Seattle, the annual Improv Festival has a few shows that sell out. Zorn fills huge formal concert halls when he comes through town. There is a growing acceptance. And we see the influence of 100+ years of non-traditional, challenging music everywhere...in a "post-rock", post-Beck/Sonic Youth world, a lot of kids may take for granted the ability to make what ever kind of music/sounds/noise they want and actually find an audience. A lot may not know the history and pump out undisciplined or cliche stuff, but I am thankful we all have that opportunity. And there was the question 'is it all derivitive of jazz'. If you've never heard Ornette or Coltrane, how can it influence you? And besides, we can thank Cage, (thanks for mentioning him earlier) and countless others, for freeing up the palet of sound. He himself didn't seem to have much respect for free jazz. I see at least three lineages--One of Jazz, one of 'New Music' & avant-garde composition (i.e. serious/formal musics), one of rock/pop. Rock can be argued I guess. So, but anyway, my point is, we can make what ever audible phenomenon we want, using whatever we can find, w/o any knowledge of why we can, or what came before that it may bear resemblance to AND captivate an audience and maybe even sell records! I think it's important to keep faith in those younger than us (however old you are) for they are the heirs of this old New Free Music and the future of creative sound formation. thanks for this thread & for whatever music you all make out there :) ---------- Do You Yahoo!? <Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! <<<<<<<< From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 01:39:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12759; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 01:01:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 01:01:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010221053059.22788.qmail@web117.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:30:59 -0800 (PST) From: keith mckenney Subject: Re: audience for 'out' music = derivitative of jazz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3A932025.1649FC56@virtulink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1444048552-982733459=:21527" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1444048552-982733459=:21527 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "I'm pretty sure that by the time Branca had his own bands, there was no academic affiliation. He was/is just a Downtown composer with a art rock thing happening. It's not like he's a professor at some school. Once the drums kick in, it just sounds like a big rock band to me." Yeah, If memory serves, he was a theater major...but when you up and call your works "symphonies" it gives it an air... And I'm with ya 'bout the drums --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! --0-1444048552-982733459=:21527 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

"I'm pretty sure that by the time Branca had his own bands, there
was no academic affiliation. He was/is just a Downtown composer
with a art rock thing happening. It's not like he's a professor
at some school. Once the drums kick in, it just sounds like a big rock
band to me."

Yeah, If memory serves, he was a theater major...but when you up and call your works "symphonies" it gives it an air...

And I'm with ya 'bout the drums


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Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! --0-1444048552-982733459=:21527-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 01:51:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12834; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 01:03:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 01:03:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010221052759.22631.qmail@web117.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:27:59 -0800 (PST) From: keith mckenney Subject: Re: audience for 'out' music = derivitative of jazz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3A931CEB.8C5E76C5@altruistmusic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1316402739-982733279=:22296" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1316402739-982733279=:22296 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "Well, there are some people whose influence is so vast and far-reaching that it impacts an entire zone of music." Yes, true, but there is a difference between influencing someone directly and changing the an entire genre... Like, what if I'm influenced by Sonic Youth but not Branca (Marsalis; not Armstrong ;))? Does it make that much difference in the music I'm going to make or the audience? Not being indignant here. I don't claim to have answers to these questions; that's why I pose them. "after a decade of alternative rock and hip-hop being mainstream musics, I think a lot of listeners' ears have been tuned to more abrasive and unconventional sounds" I agree here too. This was sort of the point I was trying to make w/the SY example...this stuff's been on the airwaves for awhile now and I think we're starting to see the 'fruits' of it...if you see it as positive, which I do. We'll see what long term effects the mainstreaming of such sounds have, I guess. thanks for the dialog I didn't know there's a Merzbow box! --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! --0-1316402739-982733279=:22296 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

"Well, there are some people whose influence is so vast and far-reaching
that it impacts an entire zone of music."

Yes, true, but there is a difference between influencing someone directly and changing the an entire genre...
Like, what if I'm influenced by Sonic Youth but not Branca (Marsalis; not Armstrong ;))? Does it make that much difference in the music I'm going to make or the audience? Not being indignant here. I don't claim to have answers to these questions; that's why I pose them.

"after a decade of alternative rock and hip-hop being mainstream musics, I think a lot of listeners'
ears have been tuned to more abrasive and unconventional sounds"

I agree here too. This was sort of the point I was trying to make w/the SY example...this stuff's been on the airwaves for awhile now and I think we're starting to see the 'fruits' of it...if you see it as positive, which I do. We'll see what long term effects the mainstreaming of such sounds have, I guess.

thanks for the dialog

I didn't know there's a Merzbow box!


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Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! --0-1316402739-982733279=:22296-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 01:58:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13894; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 01:49:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 01:49:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A93639C.D42592A6@altruistmusic.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:43:40 -0800 From: Andre Lafosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: audience for 'out' music = derivitative of jazz References: <20010221052759.22631.qmail@web117.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com keith mckenney wrote: > I didn't know there's a Merzbow box! 50 CD's in the set. Yes, FIFTY. I think it's made in Japan (unless of course it's distributed through Universal, and on sale at your local Sam Goody...) The Wire magazine gave it a solid review (but no great surprise there). --A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 02:01:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13931; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 01:51:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 01:51:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:35:54 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: audience for 'out' music = derivitative of jazz In-reply-to: <191801c09bc0$aaef27c0$fdab0b18@olmpi1.wa.home.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <20010221002957.24380.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> <3A931CEB.8C5E76C5@altruistmusic.com> <3A932025.1649FC56@virtulink.com> <191801c09bc0$aaef27c0$fdab0b18@olmpi1.wa.home.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:42 PM -0800 2/20/01, mattlove1 wrote: >I'm currently reading Between Rock and Hard Places, a Musical Autobiodyssey >by Tom Constanten A small anecdote related to me by the composer Bernard Rands: Bernard, Luciano Berio, and T.C. were sitting in a bar on the Italian Riviera, drinking and talking as was their nightly custom. Berio had removed his rather thick-lensed glasses and laid them on the table. T.C. picked them up and tried them on, and said, "Boy, Luciano, you must have really strong eyes to be able to see through these!" -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 02:01:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13050; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 01:11:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 01:11:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <191801c09bc0$aaef27c0$fdab0b18@olmpi1.wa.home.com> From: "mattlove1" To: References: <20010221002957.24380.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> <3A931CEB.8C5E76C5@altruistmusic.com> <3A932025.1649FC56@virtulink.com> Subject: Re: audience for 'out' music = derivitative of jazz Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:42:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Out of lurking mode for a tiny bit here: > Andre Lafosse wrote: > So the cross-breeding bbetween academic > > new music and rock goes way back, though it really seems to have come > > to a head over the last few years. I'm currently reading Between Rock and Hard Places, a Musical Autobiodyssey by Tom Constanten, a hard core academic new music guy who played for a short while with the Grateful Dead. The book is full of anecdotes about other people that have straddled the same fence - Phil Lesh, Paul Dresher, Terry Riley, and so on. A very entertaining read. BTW, hi to Alex Stahl. I think that last time you saw my daughter, she was a babe in arms. Now she's in college. We must be having fun, because the time is sure flying! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 02:03:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14018; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 01:53:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 01:53:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c09bbf$81ce1780$7d28059a@hal> Reply-To: "Christian Leduc" From: "Christian Leduc" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20010220205426.007e93f0@mail.airmail.net> Subject: Re: audience for 'out' music = derivitative of jazz Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:33:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C09B95.967A3E40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C09B95.967A3E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Satie is always forgotten!!! :) Best, ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Clark=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 9:54 PM Subject: Re: audience for 'out' music =3D derivitative of jazz My 2 cents. It all comes from the inside out. There are no walls.=20 Go for it. Now, back to writing my surf music piece. M.. At 04:29 PM 2/20/01 -0800, you wrote:=20 >>>> want to get my 2cents in regarding this lovely topic: I think a lot of kids come to "creative" music via Sonic Youth & = out-rockers, at least my circle did. Being the only band on a major = label in the early 90's that sounded absolutely like nothing else on the = radio (and being label-mates w/Nirvana)--made them the most accesible = link to the 'underground' & outsider music. Though this may not be the = most academic/noble path, I think it is just as valid. Acessability. = Both of the music and the history...What w/the web and = all...publications like AMG, Noise From the Underground make it a lot = easier if you're looking. It's easy to assume that the younger crowd (my = age, 25 and younger?) isn't versed in the origins, etc...but not = necessarily true. . And I'm not sure how much that matters in = experiencing the music. This acessability has yielded larger audiences I think. When I lived = in LA area it seemed like every show featuring Nels had an larger and = larger group of spectators...(he's a hero to kids like me)though, I = think he is known 'cause of his work w/T. Moore and Geraldine Fibbers = (not to say he is undeserving of the attention). Here in Seattle, the = annual Improv Festival has a few shows that sell out. Zorn fills huge = formal concert halls when he comes through town. There is a growing = acceptance. And we see the influence of 100+ years of non-traditional, = challenging music everywhere...in a "post-rock", post-Beck/Sonic Youth = world, a lot of kids may take for granted the ability to make what ever = kind of music/sounds/noise they want and actually find an audience. A = lot may not know the history and pump out undisciplined or cliche stuff, = but I am thankful we all have that opportunity.=20 And there was the question 'is it all derivitive of jazz'. If you've = never heard Ornette or Coltrane, how can it influence you? And besides, = we can thank Cage, (thanks for mentioning him earlier) and countless = others, for freeing up the palet of sound. He himself didn't seem to = have much respect for free jazz. I see at least three lineages--One of = Jazz, one of 'New Music' & avant-garde composition (i.e. serious/formal = musics), one of rock/pop. Rock can be argued I guess. So, but anyway, my point is, we can make what ever audible = phenomenon we want, using whatever we can find, w/o any knowledge of why = we can, or what came before that it may bear resemblance to AND = captivate an audience and maybe even sell records! I think it's = important to keep faith in those younger than us (however old you are) = for they are the heirs of this old New Free Music and the future of = creative sound formation. thanks for this thread & for whatever music you all make out there = :) ---------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want = at great prices! <<<< ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C09B95.967A3E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Best,
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Michael Clark=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, = 2001 9:54=20 PM
Subject: Re: audience for 'out' = music =3D=20 derivitative of jazz

My 2 cents.

It all comes from the inside=20 out.

There are no walls.

Go for it.

Now, back to = writing=20 my surf music piece.

M..

At 04:29 PM 2/20/01 -0800, you = wrote:=20
>>>>

want to get my 2cents in regarding this lovely=20 topic:


I think a lot of kids come to "creative" music via = Sonic=20 Youth & out-rockers, at least my circle did. Being the only band = on a=20 major label in the early 90's that sounded absolutely like nothing = else on=20 the radio (and being label-mates w/Nirvana)--made them the most = accesible=20 link to the 'underground' & outsider music. Though this may not = be the=20 most academic/noble path, I think it is just as valid. Acessability. = Both of=20 the music and the history...What w/the web and all...publications = like AMG,=20 Noise From the Underground make it a lot easier if you're = looking.=20 It's easy to assume that the younger crowd (my age, 25 and younger?) = isn't=20 versed in the origins, etc...but not necessarily true. . And I'm not = sure=20 how much that matters in experiencing the = music.


This=20 acessability has yielded larger audiences I think. When I lived in = LA area=20 it seemed like every show featuring Nels had an larger and larger = group of=20 spectators...(he's a hero to kids like me)though, I think he is = known 'cause=20 of his work w/T. Moore and Geraldine Fibbers (not to say he is = undeserving=20 of the attention). Here in Seattle, the annual Improv Festival has a = few=20 shows that sell out. Zorn fills huge formal concert halls when he = comes=20 through town. There is a growing acceptance. And we see the = influence of=20 100+ years of non-traditional, challenging music everywhere...in a=20 "post-rock", post-Beck/Sonic Youth world, a lot of kids may take for = granted=20 the ability to make what ever kind of music/sounds/noise they want = and=20 actually find an audience. A lot may not know the history and pump = out=20 undisciplined or cliche stuff, but I am thankful we all have that=20 opportunity.


And there was the question 'is it all = derivitive of=20 jazz'. If you've never heard Ornette or Coltrane, how can it = influence you?=20 And besides, we can thank Cage, (thanks for mentioning him earlier) = and=20 countless others, for freeing up the palet of sound. He himself = didn't seem=20 to have much respect for free jazz. I see at least three = lineages--One of=20 Jazz, one of 'New Music' & avant-garde composition (i.e. = serious/formal=20 musics), one of rock/pop. Rock can be argued I guess.


So, = but=20 anyway, my point is, we can make what ever audible phenomenon we = want, using=20 whatever we can find, w/o any knowledge of why we can, or what came = before=20 that it may bear resemblance to AND captivate an audience and maybe = even=20 sell records! I think it's important to keep faith in those younger = than us=20 (however old you are) for they are the heirs of this old New Free = Music and=20 the future of creative sound formation.


thanks for this = thread=20 & for whatever music you all make out there=20 :)



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<= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C09B95.967A3E40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 02:40:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15496; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 02:34:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 02:34:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A934762.853DB555@altruistmusic.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:43:14 -0800 From: Andre Lafosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: audience for 'out' music = derivitative of jazz References: <20010221002957.24380.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> <3A931CEB.8C5E76C5@altruistmusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich wrote: > umm...George Van Epps (sp?) This jazz guitarist was playing > 7-strings probably before Vai was born. Oh, I know. That's why I specified the 1990 Ibanez model. I don't think Munkey or Head would have been as likely to stumble onto a Van Epps guitar when they started Korn... Looping content? Um... --A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 04:39:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17566; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 04:36:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 04:36:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013801c09be4$f7fee5e0$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" From: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" To: Matthias Grob , Loopers-Delight References: Subject: Re: What's the collective noun for UK loopers? Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:01:20 -0000 Organization: University of Surrey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hey, good you are back my friend! No good... 12 moths ago I was happy, but then someone showed me what an EDP can do and I've been dissatisfied ever since! > As soon as you "understand" the guitars, you will start to really play them! The same could be said of my looper! > Anything you can share with us about guitar acoustics? Not yet... I have a new rig which has been constructed for examining whole-guitar resonances, and I am waiting for a response from the referees about my studies of Strat necks and the difference having bolts makes. I'm hoping to get my students to compare the differences in whole-body and neck-only resonance in the next couple of months, and I have another student looking at the parrtns of nodes and antinodes on guitar bodies to see how that affects the tone. Interestingly, the largest study ever conducted into this kind of thing was a massive stufdy of dead spots in electric basses, conducted at the German University of the Federal Armed Forces.... which is potentially scary. Mike PS I never recieved a copy of your CD-ROM from Trace Eliot.. would it be possible to buy a copy? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 04:49:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17856; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 04:48:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 04:48:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c09beb$f89afaa0$2078a218@austin.rr.com> From: "Jimmy George" To: References: <3A921F60.AFAF3257@dmans.com> Subject: Jimmy George Arts New Site Update Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 03:52:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there Looper Fiends ... I have updated my site at http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com if you would like to take a look. It has lots of cool audio, art and pics. There is much more to come in the near future so check back if you like what you see. Best wishes to all you llloooooopppiiinnnggg webmites! Jimmy George From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 04:52:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17973; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 04:51:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 04:51:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c09bec$67f265a0$2078a218@austin.rr.com> From: "Jimmy George" To: References: <3A921F60.AFAF3257@dmans.com> <001b01c09beb$f89afaa0$2078a218@austin.rr.com> Subject: Re: Jimmy George Arts New Site Update Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 03:55:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I also meant to add that if you have any site suggestions, i would be very open to hearing them. Thanks much! Jimmy George http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy George To: Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 3:52 AM Subject: Jimmy George Arts New Site Update > Hey there Looper Fiends ... > > I have updated my site at http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com if you would like > to take a look. > > It has lots of cool audio, art and pics. > > There is much more to come in the near future so check back if you like what > you see. > > Best wishes to all you llloooooopppiiinnnggg webmites! > > Jimmy George > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 05:10:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA18647; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 05:09:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 05:09:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c09bee$76b3f200$1b86893e@simes> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: <20010221002957.24380.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> <3A931CEB.8C5E76C5@altruistmusic.com> Subject: Re: audience for 'out' music = derivitative of jazz Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:10:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "rich" > Nice thoughts Andre... > > >Something that occured to me when this thread started is that Thurston > >Moore and Lee Ranaldo (and I believe Michael Gira as well) spent time in > >Glenn Branca's ensembles in the early '80s prior to forming Sonic Youth > >(and Swans, in Gira's case). So the cross-breeding bbetween academic > >new music and rock goes way back, though it really seems to have come > >to a head over the last few years. > > I haven't taken the time to investigate Branca, but he sure seemed to > have tapped into the NY noise/experimental scene for his big guitar > ensembles. Page Hamilton of Helmet was also a contributor, if i > remember correctly. Was waiting for someone to mention Page Hamilton. Who is actually a Julliard graduate....in jazz. Helmet at their best, were an amazing band. Slabs of guitars like concrete. Last word on Page was that he was filling in for Reeves Gabrels in Bowie's band. Simon -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulcerate - alternative/industrial music to inspire and conspire http://mp3.com/ulcerate - streaming & downloadable mp3 evidence From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 06:13:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19948; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 06:11:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 06:11:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <9e.105c4811.27c4fc27@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 06:10:31 EST Subject: Re: Zoom 2100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > usng a Zoom 2100 for looping?I don't have one of these but I'm trying to > understand how the Basic Samplerfunction works. The manual leaves me a > little fuzzy.Say that Hi Dennis Zoom 2100 there' s 3 different modes, available separately. 1) Jam Play 3 independent 5 second (no-overdub, tap time) loopers, each with it's own footswitch. Press and hold to start record, release to finish recording, then hold down for loop playback. (or playback of a 5s loop will start automatically after 5s of recording) you have to hit a 4th switch to enter record mode before you can start recording (after the first time), otherwise you just play back from any of the 3 loops. playback is polyphonic, though syncronisation of loop length is only feasible with the full 5s. 2) Sampler one 16s (or 32s at 'still OK' quality) tap time looper, no overdubs press one button to start record, and the other to end record and start playback immediatly. Then you can stop and restart that loop until you want to start record again (straight from playback to record) You can vary the play back speed downwards upto 2 octaves. ..and when you've done this you can record and have the slowed loop start playback straight away . Alternatively there's a timestretch facility (not very good) There's a 'rewind' function which pauses the loop, then starts playback at an earlier point. 3) 6s looper with overdubs, feeding into 10s delay(or rotten reverb). no tap-time the 6s looper starts out as a delay, till you edit feedback to max then its a looper. ....AND I think this is the bit your asking about to start with you get a single repeat delay. then holding down the switch (or expression pedal) you can record your input which then loops. then you can hold down the switch again to overdub. A loop that is running can be faded by editing the feedback, but you can't go the other way as going into the loop mode stops any delays that are currently happening ( although the 10s delay will still keep going if you need to cover this up). I found that setting the 6s looper/delay and the 10s delay to the same time allows me to set up a loop, and then add overdubs which will then fade to reveal the original loop again. Or can let one loop fade while 'underdubbing' another . the flange/chorus/phase/pitchshift are not useable with the loop functions ( but can use with 10s delay) the 10s delay is a 5s stereo ping pong if you use the stereo O/P distortion/tone/ampsim/wah are useable with the loop functions, but only the wah, which has an editable envelope following facility (or use the Zoom expression ped). Also the (optional) pedal can be used as a Swell, but not when using the 6s looper. You can't get rid of the dry signal, except when using the 16s looper with the right channel of the aux I/P There's a lot of frustrution with this pedal, as its operation is so quirky, and often it just won't do the thing you want, you can't tap in a loop and then overdub (essential) but it actually has a few very nice features which are unavailable elsewhere. (recording and then going seamlessly to half speed playback for instance) (or polyphonic triple loops with unrelated timing ) I guess the loop functions were designed for bedroomsoloingoverchordchanges and for copyinghotlicksfromyourfavouriterecordtolearn. Not a replacement for a 'real' looper, but somewhat fascinating are they still available?? Andy Butler ( back to lurk/work) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 06:21:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19949; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 06:11:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 06:11:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <64.b6cf64d.27c4fc28@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 06:10:32 EST Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V01 #104 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > RE: those pesky Lexicon footswitches....the footswitches Lexicon shipped > with 'ol JamPup are just maybe the worst footswitches made, if only from a After a running in period, (and a spray) my Lex switches have been perfect . (I got the double trig at first). ..............persist Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 07:51:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21819; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 07:50:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 07:50:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:48:34 +0000 Subject: 'Out music' From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fascinating discussion on the origins of current 'out' music. My own musical education was purely the product of spending my teenage years in Berwick upon Tweed and spending all my money on records that I'd never heard of... I bought anything and everything from Zorn to Metheny to White Noise, Air, loads of prog rock (underrated for its influence on 'out' music methinks, due to the current 'uncool' status of early Yes/Camel/Focus albums...), napalm Death, Sonic Youth, Extreme Noise Terror, The Cure, Messiaen, Stockhausen, and then the usual pop stuff that teens in the 80s listened to - duran, Nik Kershaw, Howard Jones, Wham, loads of metal stuff like Rainbow and AC/DC, Uriah Heap, then into jazz via fusion bassists like Stu Hamm, Stanley Clarke and Jaco... ...the point of this rather incomplete and untidy timeline is that I grew up in a musical community where distinctions were non-existent - we would listen to anything - we (meaning me and the other strange musicians I hung round with at school) would listen to tapes of computer games loading up!! We were into sound, and that could be Cyndi Lauper or it could be Shoenberg. There were no boundaries, so being 'into' out music, or new music or jazz or whatever didn't even figure. It's nigh on impossible for me to trace my own musical influences, which makes it all the more interesting when people pick up on things that I haven't heard for years but did make an impact on my at the time, and hear them in my music... But when I'm playing, or writing or whatever, i'm not thinking in and out, pop/rock/post/blah blah - it doesn't even come into it. That not to try and claim any sort of 'total freedom' - I have influences and certain things that I return to time after time, and I guess there's a coherence to what I do, but it's not formed by thinking to hard about party lines. I am fascinated by all the music that got me to where i am (and rather embarrassed by some of it...), but I never think of it as being a stylistic thing, just different ways of using melody, harmony, rhythm and good ole' fashioned noise! :o) there's a heck of a lot to be said for growing up in insular backwater communities where the London/Berlin/LA/Paris/New York/wherever impression of 'cool' and acceptable are a million miles away. I remember watching documentaries in the late 80s on Zorn and Sonic Youth - it was on the South Bank Show, which in the UK is the emblem of all that is up its own arse about art and hipness, but i didn't know, didn't care, and instead went out and ordered Spillane by Zorn the following day, and terrorised the 6th form common room at school with it for weeks! ...there's a slight ill-ease with using myself as an example in a discussion like this - I hope it doesn't come across as 'I'm so liberated' - that's not it at all. I've got loads to learn and discover about out music, but am twarted often by hearing stuff that just sounds to 'knowing', that sounds like it's trying to hard to push boundaries that are better left to theorising - like tracey emin's 'my bed' instillation at the Tate Modern in London - if she'd installed it in a locked room and told us about it, it would have been genius. To actually look at some daft woman's stained sheets and still try and think of it as the expression of that which she spent ages describing sort of missed the point for me... :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 08:00:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22066; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 07:58:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 07:58:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c09c04$f6f92820$f6980fce@com> From: "Stephen Bradley and Kristen Chamberlin" To: References: <001201c09ba9$06bb7260$ee0c1a3f@oemcomputer> Subject: Altomusic EDP group buy Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 07:50:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anyone putting together a group buy for the next round of EDP's via Alto Music? I've heard they should ship within the next month or so....... stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: become_1 To: Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 8:38 PM Subject: zvexlooper altomusic groupbuy? > lemme see: > alto music gives us great prices on group buys > alto music carries zvex pedals > zvex looper is acomin'..... > seems like that ought to add up to something, no? > how about it, people? jon? > > become > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 08:06:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22713; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:02:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:02:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <56.77f0564.27c51643@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:01:55 EST Subject: OT: page hamilton/was:audience for 'out' music=derivitative of jazz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com simon@jkean.freeserve.co.uk writes: >Was waiting for someone to mention Page Hamilton. Who is actually a Julliard >graduate....in jazz. sorry, but..... that's not true. page h. graduated from mannes college of music, also in manhattan: not juilliard. >Helmet at their best, were an amazing band. Slabs >of guitars like concrete. yes, indeed! >Last word on Page was that he was filling in for >Reeves Gabrels in Bowie's band. actually, he wasn't 'filling in' for reeves, he was 'replacing' him. fyi: page has been working onna new recording, for the past 6 months or so..... w/charlie clouser, me, Q, etc..... best, dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 08:29:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23499; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:27:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:27:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <5a.11607d66.27c51c0e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:26:38 EST Subject: OT: Re: audience for 'out' music = derivitative of jazz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <3ZRIM.A.9uF.yI8k6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think that it may have been chleduc@total.net who wrote: >And there was the question 'is it all derivitive of jazz'. If you've never >heard Ornette or Coltrane, how can it influence you? well, uhhh..... that *was* meant to be a *rhetorical* question, right? *-() if not, well, i would present that threads of strong musical influence may be more elaborate than you'd previously considered. it seems reasonable, to me, that: any musician that *you've* heard & been influenced by, who, themselves were influenced by (& educated-by-proxy-by) someone(s) (like ornette or coltrane) is necessarily passing on whatall they gleaned from *their* influence to *you* (albeit, through their own set of aesthetic/technical filters). music is, after all, a veritable weave through culture/time/community..... so, musical *influence* might pass, thusly: ornette>lee ranaldo>you, or ornette>page hamilton>you, or miles davis>lee perry>squarepusher>you, or eric dolphy>the boredoms>you. maybe these aren't the greatest examples, but..... therein lies the basis for my interruptive opining. best, dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 08:32:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23649; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:30:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:30:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A93C2E8.11878413@virtulink.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:30:16 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: microtonal mp3 spam 2/2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have two new pieces up, Blurry Day and After the Full Moon at: http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley 17 limit Just Intonation, kinda loopy...droney... -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 08:40:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23902; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:39:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:39:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:38:39 EST Subject: rickalden: Re: hey now To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rick, please see the loopy website/archives, for comparison between Echoplex/Jamman/others; that subject has been covered many times, here. also: ifya wanna bid on scott kungha's 'stuff', i'd suggest that ya state *that particular subject* in the subject-line of yer email-to-the-list; that'll more easily grab scott's attention. or, simply email him privately. hope that helps. welcome to the list. best, dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL >Hey now, > >I just tuned in, so pardon my interjection.... > >Well, it seems everyone is quite the jazz fan (I like everything from >Ellington to Burrell to Keaggy myself) and probably all or most are >musicians as well ( I also play guitar). Perhaps I'll add to the >music/jazz history/evolution discussion at some other time, but for now >just a few quick questions. Someone, Scott I beleive, has an Echoplex >and a Jamman for sale? I am interested! Please contact me with more >info. Also, anyone who could compare the Jamman to the Echoplex (easy of >use, functionality, old vs. new, etc.) I would greatly appreciate it. > >Thanks, > >Rick > > > >----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- >Return-Path: >Received: from rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (rly-yc04.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.36]) >by air-yc05.mail.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:26:47 >-0500 >Received: from hemlock.violacea.com (hemlock.superb.net [207.228.238.9]) >by rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:26:23 >-0500 >Received: (from looper@localhost) > by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02634; > Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:26:02 -0500 >Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:26:02 -0500 >Old-Return-Path: >Message-ID: <3A92FCE6.A423FE25@alden1.com> >Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:25:26 -0800 >From: rick >Reply-To: rick@aldenincorporated.com >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) >X-Accept-Language: en >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: hey now >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Resent-Message-ID: >Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4781 >X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 08:41:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23836; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:38:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:38:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c09c0b$a84bff20$1b86893e@simes> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: <56.77f0564.27c51643@aol.com> Subject: Re: page hamilton/was:audience for 'out' music=derivitative of jazz Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:39:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: > >Was waiting for someone to mention Page Hamilton. Who is actually a Julliard > >graduate....in jazz. > sorry, but..... that's not true. > page h. graduated from mannes college of music, also in manhattan: not > juilliard. Goes to show. Don't believe everything you read :) I stand corrected. > >Last word on Page was that he was filling in for > >Reeves Gabrels in Bowie's band. > actually, he wasn't 'filling in' for reeves, he was 'replacing' him. see above :) > fyi: > page has been working onna new recording, for the past 6 months or so..... > w/charlie clouser, me, Q, etc..... Sounds amazing. Can't wait to hear the results. Clouser is one of the best in his game. I love the samples/loops this guy puts together. Some of the stuff on the Zombie albums he programmed rises above the mediocre tunes his stuff was buried in. Simon -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulcerate - alternative/industrial music to inspire and conspire http://mp3.com/ulcerate - streaming & downloadable mp3 evidence > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 09:04:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24866; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:03:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:03:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.145.223.7] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT:Re: Audience for "out" music Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:01:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2001 14:01:53.0245 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7EC80D0:01C09C0E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Andre- Personally, I've never heard a Tortoise album I didnt like! After TNT I would try "Millions now Living Will Never Die"(Their best, in my humble opinion) If you like the more experimental jazz type o' thing try Isotpe 217's "the unstable molecule" Then, moving on into the more "song oriented" stuff, Sam Prekop's self titled album is definatly worth a listen! Then there is The Sea and Cake. Another band where I've never heard an album I didnt like! Try the new one "Oui", also, "The Biz" and "the Fawn". Hope you like at least some of this :) Pete. >From: Andre Lafosse >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: OT:Re: Audience for "out" music >Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:45:22 -0800 > > > >Pete Mundt wrote: > > > > I dont think it's just your imagination, but you neglected to mention >some > > of the modern day standards, Tortoise, The Sea & Cake, Isotope 217? With > > players like John McEntyre, John Herdon, Jeff Parker,Bundy K Brown, Rob > > Mazurek, Chad Taylor, & Dan Bitney? How could you not respect that? > >Hi Pete, > >In my original post I made mention of Thrill Jockey records, which I >believe releases albums by nearly everyone you mentioned above. I >thought it easier to name the flagship label, as opposed to the roster >itself. > >I'll also readily admit I'm not so well-versed in the "post-rock" (weird >term, I know) realm as I might like, so perhaps you could recommend some >listening? I did have a copy of Tortoise's TNT for a while, and while >there was some very interesting stuff on it, I did find it rather >emotionally detatched (to my ears, at least...) > >--Andre LaFosse >http://www.altruistmusic.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 09:10:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25068; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:08:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:08:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A93CBCE.9C8F4A5D@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 06:08:13 -0800 From: Andre Lafosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Miles, Lee Perry, and OAH References: <5a.11607d66.27c51c0e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there David, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > miles davis>lee perry>squarepusher>you, or I'm curious: where do you draw the influence connection from Miles to Perry? I don't know Lee's work so well, but my (admittedly under-informed) impression is that the most dub-oriented material of the Davis stuff ("Get Up With It" and "On The Corner" would be the main examples to me) existed more or less at the same time that Perry was doing a lot of his most seminal work (i.e. early- to mid-'70s.) As I say, I don't know Perry's output, so I'll happily defer to a more informed source. More than anything else, I'm curious to know where Davis' influence might have reared its head most prominently, and which elements of it worked their way into the Black Ark as it were... On a totally different note, I was listening to OAH the other day and it occured to me that it's some of the most "ambient" music I've ever heard. Not in the guitar-loop-soundscapy-wallpaper sense, but in the sense that much of the material seems to sort of hang there in the air, inviting attention from a variety of different perspectives. It strikes me more as "sound sculpture" than as any sort of narrative construction (or fractured narrative, for that matter). Am I nuts? Wait, don't answer that... Luv, Andre LaFosse | Disruption Theory | http://www.altruistmusic.com ================================================================ "A spectacular collision of manifold musical thoughts and patterns... To call Disruption Theory a futuristic album would be an understatement." (20th Century Guitar Magazine, February 2001) "His six-stringer is pumped up with energy, creating a firestorm of pyrotechnics and burning sounds, but with a sensitivity to weirdness and experimentation. Disruption Theory reveals the difference it makes when a player knows what he is doing. Here is one that deserves the title 'unique'." (Expose Magazine, October 2000) "Fripp and Zappa, step aside." (MOJO Magazine, May 2000) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 09:47:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25728; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:44:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:44:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <78.10ccacfc.27c52dfd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:43:09 EST Subject: OT: Re: Miles, Lee Perry, and OAH To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a, altruist@earthlink.net writes: >I'm curious: where do you draw the influence connection from Miles to >Perry? sorry: i was just making shite up, quickly, off the top of my (broken) head..... (i told ya, they weren't gonna be very good 'examples'..... though, some may be better than others); i was just trying to make a point, and i got carried away..... forgive, pls..... >I don't know Lee's work so well, but my (admittedly >under-informed) impression is that the most dub-oriented material of the >Davis stuff ("Get Up With It" and "On The Corner" would be the main >examples to me) existed more or less at the same time that Perry was >doing a lot of his most seminal work (i.e. early- to mid-'70s.) >As I say, I don't know Perry's output, so I'll happily defer to a more >informed source. oops: sorry: that 'informed source' is *not* me. you *know* i ain't no academician! (finished high school at a matchbox-night-school / no college degree). *-() >On a totally different note, I was listening to OAH the other day and it >occured to me that it's some of the most "ambient" music I've ever >heard. Not in the guitar-loop-soundscapy-wallpaper sense, but in the >sense that much of the material seems to sort of hang there in the air, >inviting attention from a variety of different perspectives. It strikes >me more as "sound sculpture" than as any sort of narrative construction >(or fractured narrative, for that matter). >Am I nuts? well, hells, yeah! funny, though..... i'd kinda thought it was my most 'song-form' recorded work, to date; anyway, that's what page h. says. (truth) >Wait, don't answer that... too late..... ha! best, dt / S-C From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 10:09:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26546; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:05:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:05:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000301c09c18$76999a20$17926fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <20010221053059.22788.qmail@web117.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: audience for 'out' music = derivitative of jazz Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 07:37:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not into jazz at all, (Why does this feel like an admission rather than a plain statement?) I still call my music 'World Jazz' because this gets me an audience that is prepared to listen to music as opposed to songs. I don't feel like a fraud because there is a strong element of improvisation in my stuff. Nobody's complained yet! Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 10:21:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26841; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:19:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:19:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c09c19$1aded320$0200a8c0@mlameyer02> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <20010221002957.24380.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: audience for 'out' music = derivitative of jazz Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:15:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <_d3B4.A.OjG.ax9k6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think your admitably broad association of the Rock genre as being a path that led some to the thing we're all talking about here, is certainly valid in my mind. Rock music has evolved as a musical form pretty freakin' fast in relation to other contempory forms. Partly at first because of it's simplicity I think, but also because it rapidly embraced more diverse influences than you could shake a stick at (at the cost of some cheesy sitar parts or what not I suppose) AND was developing during a time of rapidly expanding media delivery and advancements in audio technology that made musical production more plastic than it was previously. But, like, whatever, it's all just moving air around. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "keith mckenney" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 7:29 PM Subject: audience for 'out' music = derivitative of jazz > > want to get my 2cents in regarding this lovely topic: > > > I think a lot of kids come to "creative" music via Sonic Youth & out-rockers, at least my circle did. Being the only band on a major label in the early 90's that sounded absolutely like nothing else on the radio (and being label-mates w/Nirvana)--made them the most accesible link to the 'underground' & outsider music. Though this may not be the most academic/noble path, I think it is just as valid. Acessability. Both of the music and the history...What w/the web and all...publications like AMG, Noise From the Underground make it a lot easier if you're looking. It's easy to assume that the younger crowd (my age, 25 and younger?) isn't versed in the origins, etc...but not necessarily true. . And I'm not sure how much that matters in experiencing the music. > > > This acessability has yielded larger audiences I think. When I lived in LA area it seemed like every show featuring Nels had an larger and larger group of spectators...(he's a hero to kids like me)though, I think he is known 'cause of his work w/T. Moore and Geraldine Fibbers (not to say he is undeserving of the attention). Here in Seattle, the annual Improv Festival has a few shows that sell out. Zorn fills huge formal concert halls when he comes through town. There is a growing acceptance. And we see the influence of 100+ years of non-traditional, challenging music everywhere...in a "post-rock", post-Beck/Sonic Youth world, a lot of kids may take for granted the ability to make what ever kind of music/sounds/noise they want and actually find an audience. A lot may not know the history and pump out undisciplined or cliche stuff, but I am thankful we all have that opportunity. > > > And there was the question 'is it all derivitive of jazz'. If you've never heard Ornette or Coltrane, how can it influence you? And besides, we can thank Cage, (thanks for mentioning him earlier) and countless others, for freeing up the palet of sound. He himself didn't seem to have much respect for free jazz. I see at least three lineages--One of Jazz, one of 'New Music' & avant-garde composition (i.e. serious/formal musics), one of rock/pop. Rock can be argued I guess. > > > So, but anyway, my point is, we can make what ever audible phenomenon we want, using whatever we can find, w/o any knowledge of why we can, or what came before that it may bear resemblance to AND captivate an audience and maybe even sell records! I think it's important to keep faith in those younger than us (however old you are) for they are the heirs of this old New Free Music and the future of creative sound formation. > > > thanks for this thread & for whatever music you all make out there :) > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 11:58:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29253; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:55:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:55:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <56.77f0564.27c51643@aol.com> References: <56.77f0564.27c51643@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:43:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: OT: page hamilton/was:audience for 'out' music=derivitative of jazz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >page has been working onna new recording, for the past 6 months or so..... >w/charlie clouser, me, Q, etc..... >best, >dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL mistah torn, very cool news about Page, David...thanks. i still think helmet and page's drop tuned chord voices and rhythmic structures are not recognized for their seminal nature. so much of the stuff hitting the airwaves in heavy/alt. rock right now sound like helmet riffs, ten years after... helmet was just straight up, no chaser...mind boggling sonic blasts and so damn tight it just made me sit there and gape. and following the show, Page was one of the friendliest guys i had ever met, blushing almost at compliments with a big ass grin on his face. great shows, seeing them...looking forward to hearing any current work! ...keep us informed? rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 13:08:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31725; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:05:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:05:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAE7B@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: jazz/derivative . . . Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:04:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C09C30.BD37AE00" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09C30.BD37AE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" sucks having to work when this thread is going on . . . free range music . . . that's what i've heard arto lindsay call it - - and it seems to fit. i've gotta say that most of the people that i play with are pretty open to playing all sorts of different stuff. most don't really think about it being "jazz" in a purist sense - - we steal from everything! in many ways this is the "curse" of playing/composing music at the end of the 20th/beginning of the 21st century - - there is no real "purity" involved. (we can't be charlie parker because we've heard rock and roll, etc.) i think that the reason many people lump a lot of the type of music we're talking about into the category of "jazz" is that it "fits" there somewhat better than in other places: classical music for the most part doesn't harbor improvisation in any sort of free sense. when improv does happen in "new" classical music; it is usually pretty tightly controlled by the composer (aleatoric section, etc. - - notice that they don't call it "improv"?). and in general, many composers look down on improv. rock/country/pop/funk/etc. music tends to be too song/word-oriented to really deal with improv on any *lengthy* basis. there have been many exceptions, but generally those engender a backlash that leads back to the 3-minute pop tunes. many songwriters are all about the song - - no noodling allowed! new age - - if the improv gets too hairy, people not be able to hang. since jazz has had a real improv tradition, it can accomodate more investigative improv (unless you're mr. marsalis, i suppose). (someone mentioned how jazz and classical have had more than a nodding acquaintance for a while; and bands like the allman bros and steely dan were borrowing jazz influences for quite a while.) depending on the age and the demeanor, "jazz" musicians may or may not be able to incorporate other sources/styles. that being said, there are whole legions of people who are appropriating different aspects of music into their aesthetics in all different strains of music. i like to think of music as being like a biological entity made up of a number closely linked sacs with permeable membranes that pass information back and forth - - or something like that. i think that people have been touching on one basic thing - - most of this stuff is about being slightly underground (in a relative sense) and it's just creeping out through the culture - - sorta like water creeping through concrete until it makes it disintegrate . . . stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09C30.BD37AE00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable jazz/derivative . . .

sucks having to work when this thread is going on . . = .

free range music . .  . that's what i've heard = arto lindsay call it - - and it seems to fit.

i've gotta say that most of the people that i play = with are pretty open to playing all sorts of different stuff. most = don't really think about it being "jazz" in a purist sense - = - we steal from everything! in many ways this is the "curse" = of playing/composing music at the end of the 20th/beginning of the 21st = century - - there is no real "purity" involved. (we can't be = charlie parker because we've heard rock and roll, etc.)

i think that the reason many people lump a lot of the = type of music we're talking about into the category of "jazz" = is that it "fits" there somewhat better than in other = places:

classical music for the most part doesn't harbor = improvisation in any sort of free sense. when improv does happen in = "new" classical music; it is usually pretty tightly = controlled by the composer (aleatoric section, etc. - - notice that = they don't call it "improv"?). and in general, many composers = look down on improv.

rock/country/pop/funk/etc. music tends to be too = song/word-oriented to really deal with improv on any *lengthy* basis. = there have been many exceptions, but generally those engender a = backlash that leads back to the 3-minute pop tunes. many songwriters = are all about the song - - no noodling allowed!

new age - - if the improv gets too hairy, people not = be able to hang.

since jazz has had a real improv tradition, it can = accomodate more investigative improv (unless you're mr. marsalis, i = suppose). (someone mentioned how jazz and classical have had more than = a nodding acquaintance for a while; and bands like the allman bros and = steely dan were borrowing jazz influences for quite a while.) depending = on the age and the demeanor, "jazz" musicians may or may not = be able to incorporate other sources/styles.

that being said, there are whole legions of people = who are appropriating different aspects of music into their aesthetics = in all different strains of music. i like to think of music as being = like a biological entity made up of a number closely linked sacs with = permeable membranes that pass information back and forth - - or = something like that.

i think that people have been touching on one basic = thing - - most of this stuff is about being slightly underground (in a = relative sense) and it's just creeping out through the culture - - = sorta like water creeping through concrete until it makes it = disintegrate . . .

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C09C30.BD37AE00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 13:49:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00359; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:46:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:46:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:51:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: audience for 'out' music = derivitative of jazz Cc: David Beardsley Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:40 PM 2/20/01, David Beardsley wrote: >> >> And goes back even earlier than that. John Cale, before joining the Velvet >> Underground, was a member of LaMonte Young's circle. > >That's spelled La Monte. Sorry, I was using the Wire issue #178, December 1998, as a reference. In this issue, both on the cover and throughout the interview ("Dream Encounters', by Mark Webber, pp35-45), it's consistantly spelled without a space. Perhaps you should contact them as well. Spelling issues aside: > >John Cale was an academic who crossed over into rock. I don't have >the Wire interview handy, but he was in NYC on a grant as a student >(I think). He started playing with La Monte in the Theatre of Eternal >music and later joined the rock band the Velvet Underground. > >La Monte has never had any kind of academic affiliation after >graduating university, existing on grants and patrons - as far as I >know. Perhaps "academic" is the wrong term to use (and you may note that I didn't use the term, it was Andre), but I feel Young definitely exists in the classical composer contuum, moreso than, say, pop, or jazz. In all the interviews I've read, he asserts the primacy of his compositions. He is an academy-trained composer (LA City College and UCLA, studies with Schoenberg disciple Leonard Stein, scholarships to Darmstadt, etc). I was merely attempting to point out that the crossover between the "classical" avant-garde and the "rock" avant-garde has a precedent that goes back at least to the '60's. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 14:18:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01408; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:09:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:09:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A941196.1584661C@virtulink.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:05:58 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: audience for 'out' music = derivitative of jazz References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dave Trenkel wrote: > > At 9:40 PM 2/20/01, David Beardsley wrote: > >> > >> And goes back even earlier than that. John Cale, before joining the Velvet > >> Underground, was a member of LaMonte Young's circle. > > > >That's spelled La Monte. > > Sorry, I was using the Wire issue #178, December 1998, as a reference. In > this issue, both on the cover and throughout the interview ("Dream > Encounters', by Mark Webber, pp35-45), it's consistantly spelled without a > space. Perhaps you should contact them as well. And they stopped doing it after that issue. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 14:19:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01442; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:11:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:11:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:12:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Miles, Lee Perry, and OAH Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:08 AM 2/21/01, Andre Lafosse wrote: > >> miles davis>lee perry>squarepusher>you, or > >I'm curious: where do you draw the influence connection from Miles to >Perry? I don't know Lee's work so well, but my (admittedly >under-informed) impression is that the most dub-oriented material of the >Davis stuff ("Get Up With It" and "On The Corner" would be the main >examples to me) existed more or less at the same time that Perry was >doing a lot of his most seminal work (i.e. early- to mid-'70s.) > Since on of the important esthetic considerations of dub as a genre is it's molecular disruptionof the flow of linear time, I think the real interesting area of research is Squarepusher's influence on Lee "Scratch" Perry... -the "other" other dt ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 14:27:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01929; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:23:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:23:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A941196.1584661C@virtulink.com> References: <3A941196.1584661C@virtulink.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:12:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: audience for 'out' music = derivitative of jazz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com who's this Lemaunt Jung guy everybody's talking about? :) rich >Dave Trenkel wrote: >> >> At 9:40 PM 2/20/01, David Beardsley wrote: >> >> >> >> And goes back even earlier than that. John Cale, before joining >>the Velvet >> >> Underground, was a member of LaMonte Young's circle. >> > >> >That's spelled La Monte. >> >> Sorry, I was using the Wire issue #178, December 1998, as a reference. In >> this issue, both on the cover and throughout the interview ("Dream >> Encounters', by Mark Webber, pp35-45), it's consistantly spelled without a >> space. Perhaps you should contact them as well. > >And they stopped doing it after that issue. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 14:49:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02527; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:47:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:47:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01a801c09c3d$d3f9de80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <1.5.4.32.20010215193520.0068ddc8@subnet.virtual-pc.com> <000201c09824$9d6bb4a0$17b46fd4@y5w2s5> <010b01c0983e$55ca4ed0$080210ac@jpalmer> <000201c09a43$043d81c0$fa936fd4@y5w2s5> <023201c09acb$61ee7530$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: 1U PC for Kyma (was Re: Llive llooping, Cardiff, Wales) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:38:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <4IOR-C.A.Fn.UsBl6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i'm thinking that the single space rack mount pc's they sell as > network servers might be cool. > add a flat panel moniter (maybe with a touch screen) > and rack it up with the capybara You really have me thinking about this, Jim. Check out: http://www.bynari.net/1U_Rack.htm He comes up with $697 for a DIY 1U rackmount PC. Add in a keyboard/monitor and you're close to a laptop price. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 15:15:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03747; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:14:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:14:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:07:30 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: audience for 'out' music = derivitative of jazz In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: David Beardsley Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:51 AM -0800 2/21/01, Dave Trenkel wrote: >Perhaps "academic" is the wrong term to use (and you may note that I didn't >use the term, it was Andre), but I feel Young definitely exists in the >classical composer contuum, moreso than, say, pop, or jazz. In all the >interviews I've read, he asserts the primacy of his compositions. He is an >academy-trained composer (LA City College and UCLA, studies with Schoenberg >disciple Leonard Stein, scholarships to Darmstadt, etc). Young was also a jazz sax player in his early years, as was Terry Riley. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 15:15:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03739; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:13:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:13:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:05:46 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: jazz/derivative . . . In-reply-to: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAE7B@migarexch01.maritz.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAE7B@migarexch01.maritz.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:04 PM -0500 2/21/01, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: >classical music for the most part doesn't harbor improvisation in >any sort of free sense. But looking back to when today's "classical" music was "new" music, there was often a lot of improvisation within the common practice of the day. Bach and Mozart are obvious examples of composer/improvisers. Also, the written out cadenzas played by today's classical soloists were originally an earlier performer's improv. >when improv does happen in "new" classical music; it is usually >pretty tightly controlled by the composer (aleatoric section, etc. - >- notice that they don't call it "improv"?). and in general, many >composers look down on improv. Cage being a notable example. His use of indeterminacy through nontraditional graphic notation was often deliberately misinterpreted by classical players as an excuse to horse around and play whatever they felt like. This was quite against the composer's disciplined approach. Interestingly, in Cage's later years, after working with a number of equally disciplined performers who were also talented improvisers (and who were respectful of Cage's music) the composer began to accept the possibility of including improvisation in his work. Sadly, he died soon after. >rock/country/pop/funk/etc. music tends to be too song/word-oriented >to really deal with improv on any *lengthy* basis. there have been >many exceptions, but generally those engender a backlash that leads >back to the 3-minute pop tunes. many songwriters are all about the >song - - no noodling allowed! Some of us challenged that constraint in the psychedelic '60s. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 15:20:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04019; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:18:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:18:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:16:51 EST Subject: Re: jazz/derivative . . . To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a8.11700a82.27c57c33_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a8.11700a82.27c57c33_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/21/01 1:05:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes: > i like to think of music as being like a biological entity made up of a > number closely linked sacs with permeable membranes that pass information > funky!.....no more star trek for you stig!.....:).....michael --part1_a8.11700a82.27c57c33_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/21/01 1:05:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes:


i like to think of music as being like a biological entity made up of a
number closely linked sacs with permeable membranes that pass information
back and forth
funky!.....no more star trek for you stig!.....:).....michael --part1_a8.11700a82.27c57c33_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 15:27:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04232; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:24:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:24:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAE7E@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: jazz/derivative . . . Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:23:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C09C44.2414DC70" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09C44.2414DC70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" funky!.....no more star trek for you stig!.....:).....michael ** never watch it - - scary huh? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09C44.2414DC70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"


funky!.....no more star trek for you stig!.....:).....michael  
 
** never watch it - - scary huh? 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C09C44.2414DC70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 15:44:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04918; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:43:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:43:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAE80@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: jazz/derivative . . . Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:42:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C09C46.BE3F5800" Resent-Message-ID: <2o2fD.A.iMB.GhCl6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09C46.BE3F5800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" But looking back to when today's "classical" music was "new" music, there was often a lot of improvisation within the common practice of the day. Bach and Mozart are obvious examples of composer/improvisers. Also, the written out cadenzas played by today's classical soloists were originally an earlier performer's improv. ** YEAH! and beethoven, liszt, etc. - - the tradition WAS there, but it has fallen by the wayside. i think that the more notation-heavy things got, the less likely the composer was to be an improvisor. (i'm thinking of people like mahler, schoenberg, webern - - all the way up to boulez, etc. while i respect and love a lot of that music, it gets farther and farther away from a player being able to really shape the piece themselves. whereas bach has a lot of leeway in my view.) Cage being a notable example. His use of indeterminacy through nontraditional graphic notation was often deliberately misinterpreted by classical players as an excuse to horse around and play whatever they felt like. ** of course, a lot of people would say that that is what free improv is - - just horsing around and doint whatever you feel like doing. however, i would disagree with that. while there is a component of that in there, i would say that improvising at a high level requires just as much discipline and musical decision-making as writing a great song or a symphony. my guess is that, with cage's music, the players had no training or extremely limited experience with improvising. i personally find it helpful to have my "composer hat" on when improvising - - it helps me to try to inject form, etc., into the improv. the music that i write these days has a lot of room for improv - - whether it be traditional solos, free group ("group" meaning two or more players) improv or structured group improv. This was quite against the composer's disciplined approach. Interestingly, in Cage's later years, after working with a number of equally disciplined performers who were also talented improvisers (and who were respectful of Cage's music) the composer began to accept the possibility of including improvisation in his work. Sadly, he died soon after. ** i friend of mine recently told me of a quote by lou harrison (i think), speaking of himself and cage, etc.: "we tried improvisation, it didn't work." >rock/country/pop/funk/etc. music tends to be too song/word-oriented >to really deal with improv on any *lengthy* basis. there have been >many exceptions, but generally those engender a backlash that leads >back to the 3-minute pop tunes. many songwriters are all about the >song - - no noodling allowed! Some of us challenged that constraint in the psychedelic '60s. ** i think the constraint keeps getting pushed - - it's sort of a expansion/contraction thing. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09C46.BE3F5800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: jazz/derivative . . .

But looking back to when today's = "classical" music was "new" music,
there was often a lot of improvisation within the = common practice of
the day. Bach and Mozart are obvious examples of =
composer/improvisers. Also, the written out cadenzas = played by
today's classical soloists were originally an = earlier performer's
improv.

** YEAH! and  beethoven, liszt, etc.  - - = the tradition WAS there, but it has fallen by the wayside. i think that = the more notation-heavy things got, the less likely the composer was to = be an improvisor. (i'm thinking of people like mahler, schoenberg, = webern - - all the way up to boulez, etc. while i respect and love a = lot of that music, it gets farther and farther away from a player being = able to really shape the piece themselves. whereas bach has a lot of = leeway in my view.)


Cage being a notable example. His use of = indeterminacy through
nontraditional graphic notation was often = deliberately misinterpreted
by classical players as an excuse to horse around = and play whatever
they felt like.

** of course, a  lot of people would say that = that is what free improv is - - just horsing around and doint whatever = you feel like doing.  however, i would disagree with that. while = there is a component of that in there, i would say that improvising at = a high level requires just as much discipline and musical = decision-making as writing a great song or a symphony. my guess is = that, with cage's music, the players had no training or extremely = limited experience with improvising. i personally find it helpful to = have my "composer hat" on when improvising - - it helps me to = try to inject form, etc., into the improv. the music that i write these = days has a lot of room for improv - - whether it be traditional solos, = free group ("group" meaning two or more players) improv or = structured group improv.

This was quite against the composer's disciplined =
approach. Interestingly, in Cage's later years, = after working with a
number of equally disciplined performers who were = also talented
improvisers (and who were respectful of Cage's = music) the composer
began to accept the possibility of including = improvisation in his
work. Sadly, he died soon after.

** i friend of mine recently told me of a quote by = lou harrison (i think), speaking of himself and cage, etc.: "we = tried improvisation, it didn't work."

>rock/country/pop/funk/etc. music tends to be too = song/word-oriented
>to really deal with improv on any *lengthy* = basis. there have been
>many exceptions, but generally those engender a = backlash that leads
>back to the 3-minute pop tunes. many songwriters = are all about the
>song - - no noodling allowed!

Some of us challenged that constraint in the = psychedelic '60s.

** i think the constraint keeps getting pushed - - = it's sort of a expansion/contraction thing.


stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C09C46.BE3F5800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 15:45:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04917; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:43:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:43:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A942840.A09EC3F9@virtulink.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:42:40 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: audience for 'out' music = derivitative of jazz References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard Zvonar wrote: > > At 10:51 AM -0800 2/21/01, Dave Trenkel wrote: > > >Perhaps "academic" is the wrong term to use (and you may note that I didn't > >use the term, it was Andre), but I feel Young definitely exists in the > >classical composer contuum, moreso than, say, pop, or jazz. In all the > >interviews I've read, he asserts the primacy of his compositions. He is an > >academy-trained composer (LA City College and UCLA, studies with Schoenberg > >disciple Leonard Stein, scholarships to Darmstadt, etc). > Young was also a jazz sax player in his early years, as was Terry Riley. La Monte - yes, but Terry Riley only played sax for the Poppy Nogood piece. He told me he quit because playing three instruments was too much and he wanted to dedicate his time to piano and singing. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 16:05:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05999; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:03:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:03:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c09c49$9c6eb2e0$a30018ac@jnpr.net> From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <1.5.4.32.20010215193520.0068ddc8@subnet.virtual-pc.com> <000201c09824$9d6bb4a0$17b46fd4@y5w2s5> <010b01c0983e$55ca4ed0$080210ac@jpalmer> <000201c09a43$043d81c0$fa936fd4@y5w2s5> <023201c09acb$61ee7530$080210ac@jpalmer> <01a801c09c3d$d3f9de80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: 1U PC for Kyma (was Re: Llive llooping, Cardiff, Wales) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:02:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > You really have me thinking about this, Jim. Check out: > > http://www.bynari.net/1U_Rack.htm > > He comes up with $697 for a DIY 1U rackmount PC. Add in a keyboard/monitor > and you're close to a laptop price. > Make sure you can fit your audio I/O card in the boxes one slot :> bIz (back to reading and posting after a number of busy weeks) > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 16:14:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06354; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:11:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:11:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c09c4a$c3071c70$a30018ac@jnpr.net> From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <1.5.4.32.20010215193520.0068ddc8@subnet.virtual-pc.com> <000201c09824$9d6bb4a0$17b46fd4@y5w2s5> <010b01c0983e$55ca4ed0$080210ac@jpalmer> <000201c09a43$043d81c0$fa936fd4@y5w2s5> <023201c09acb$61ee7530$080210ac@jpalmer> <01a801c09c3d$d3f9de80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <001e01c09c49$9c6eb2e0$a30018ac@jnpr.net> Subject: Re: 1U PC for Kyma (was Re: Llive llooping, Cardiff, Wales) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:10:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doh, and I forgot the more important issue: noise. Rackmount power supplies are issued with special 'noise inducing' fans, to provide system and network admins with the a penile extensive 'roar' whenever the enter their private domains. It's kind of like the fiber glass ball bearings that are put in aftermarket car exhausts for very small cars. Or so it seems to me. bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 1:02 PM Subject: Re: 1U PC for Kyma (was Re: Llive llooping, Cardiff, Wales) > > > You really have me thinking about this, Jim. Check out: > > > > http://www.bynari.net/1U_Rack.htm > > > > He comes up with $697 for a DIY 1U rackmount PC. Add in a > keyboard/monitor > > and you're close to a laptop price. > > > > Make sure you can fit your audio I/O card in the boxes one slot :> > > bIz > > (back to reading and posting after a number of busy weeks) > > > Dennis Leas > > ------------------- > > dennis@mdbs.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 16:27:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06734; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:23:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:23:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:21:19 EST Subject: OT: Re: jazz/derivative . . . To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com stig ended his missive thusly: >i think that people have been touching on one basic thing - - most of this >stuff is about being slightly underground (in a relative sense) and it's >just creeping out through the culture - - sorta like water creeping through >concrete until it makes it disintegrate . . . well spoken, dude: butcept that metaphorical concrete never actually does disintegrate, does it? the water creeps through, till someone is irritated enough to 'fix' the cracks. anyway, my take on the metaphor purty much ends, there, thankfully..... ruminating..... dt / S-C From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 16:27:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06786; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:24:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:24:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A9431F4.D3CB813D@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:25:56 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT:Re: Audience for "out" music References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pete Mundt wrote: > Hey Andre- > Personally, I've never heard a Tortoise album I didnt like! After TNT I > would try "Millions now Living Will Never Die"(Their best, in my humble > opinion) If you like the more experimental jazz type o' thing try Isotpe > 217's "the unstable molecule" Then, moving on into the more "song oriented" > stuff, Sam Prekop's self titled album is definatly worth a listen! Then > there is The Sea and Cake. Another band where I've never heard an album I > didnt like! Try the new one "Oui", also, "The Biz" and "the Fawn". > Hope you like at least some of this :) > Pete. > pete, have you heard "standards" yet? opinions? lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 16:38:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07168; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:36:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:36:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAE82@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Re: jazz/derivative . . . Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:34:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C09C4E.1790C680" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09C4E.1790C680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" stig ended his missive thusly: >i think that people have been touching on one basic thing - - most of this >stuff is about being slightly underground (in a relative sense) and it's >just creeping out through the culture - - sorta like water creeping through >concrete until it makes it disintegrate . . . well spoken, dude: butcept that metaphorical concrete never actually does disintegrate, does it? the water creeps through, till someone is irritated enough to 'fix' the cracks. ** yeah, true - - but . . . they fix the cracks and the water doesn't really go away and the cycle continues. (it's sort like that thing about the the only survivors of a nuclear holocaust will be the cockroaches) stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09C4E.1790C680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Re: jazz/derivative . . .


stig ended his missive thusly:
>i think that people have been touching on one = basic thing - - most of this
>stuff is about being slightly underground (in a = relative sense) and it's
>just creeping out through the culture - - sorta = like water creeping through
>concrete until it makes it disintegrate . . . =
well spoken, dude:
butcept that metaphorical concrete never actually = does disintegrate, does it?
the water creeps through, till someone is irritated = enough to 'fix' the
cracks.

** yeah, true - - but . . . they fix the cracks and = the water doesn't really go away and the cycle continues. (it's sort = like that thing about the the only survivors of a nuclear holocaust = will be the cockroaches)

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C09C4E.1790C680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 16:59:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07677; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:56:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:56:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:29:14 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: audience for 'out' music = derivitative of jazz In-reply-to: <3A942840.A09EC3F9@virtulink.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <3A942840.A09EC3F9@virtulink.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:42 PM -0500 2/21/01, David Beardsley wrote: >La Monte - yes, but Terry Riley only played sax for the Poppy >Nogood piece. He told me he quit because playing three instruments >was too much and he wanted to dedicate his time to piano and singing. You're right. Terry's jazz playing was on piano. His picked up soprano sax briefly in 1966. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 17:38:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09097; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:35:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:35:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.253.195.194] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: friendly reminder - SF sampling/electonic show Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:33:42 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2001 22:33:42.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[5815AD30:01C09C56] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
It's tomorrow night! Hope to see some people there! For people who are interested in going, I must say that this isn't in the best of neighborhoods, so it would be good to not dress expensively, better to go with someone.
 
Best,
 
Matt Davignon
 
 
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 18:14:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12045; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:12:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:12:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A944B4C.FD286B49@virtulink.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:12:12 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Terry Riley (was Re: audience for 'out' music = derivitative of jazz) References: <3A942840.A09EC3F9@virtulink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 3:42 PM -0500 2/21/01, David Beardsley wrote: > > >La Monte - yes, but Terry Riley only played sax for the Poppy > >Nogood piece. He told me he quit because playing three instruments > >was too much and he wanted to dedicate his time to piano and singing. > > You're right. Terry's jazz playing was on piano. His picked up > soprano sax briefly in 1966. Well...I think "briefly" isn't fair to Terry. Obviously he was still playing it in '67 and at least '69. One CD of You're No Good (organ of Corti 5) was recorded live in November '67 and A Rainbow in Curved Air (CBS) came out in '69. He also played sax on The Church of Anthrax with John Cale (CBS) '70. And on one of these two: Happy Ending (Waner Bros.) '72 or Le Secret de la Vie (Phillips) '74 (my turntable isn't working so I can't check). Another reason he stopped sax was because his guru, Pandit Pran Nath didn't want his singing students to play saxophone because the embouchure was bad for singing technique. BTW: the live concert on You're No Good is amazing. An hour of soprano saxophone and time-lag accumulator. The other cd is dj turntable jockey stuff with an obscure R&B record through the time-lag accumulator clocking in at about 20 min. I've only listened to that disk a few times (twice???) nada brahma, db -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 18:47:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13176; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:30:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:30:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A944F9E.3B2A1293@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:32:55 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: friendly reminder - SF sampling/electonic show References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com matt davignon wrote: > It's tomorrow night! Hope to see some people there! For people who are > interested in going, I must say that this isn't in the best of > neighborhoods, so it would be good to not dress expensively, better to > go with someone. Best, Matt Davignon Thursday, Feb 22 2001 8:00 PM > > Luggage Store Gallery > 1007 Market Street (at 6th) > Upstairs (2nd Floor) > San Francisco CA > > Detritus.net presents an Electro-Improv Jamboree: > A gaggle of musical geeks with sound-making circuitry will > spend the evening combining and recombining into various > free-improv duets, trios, and even larger groups. Thrill to > the sight/sound of just-in-time collaboration! Artists will > include: > Wobbly(electronics/sampler) > Matt Davignon (turntable + CD) > Steev Hise (custom linux software) > Matt Ingalls (electronics, custom BeOS software) > Ryan Francesconi (custom Macintosh software) > Evolution Control Committee (Thimbletron) matt, don't leave your gear sitting around then, eh? good luck. i'd be there, if it were here :-) best, lance g. ps is someone recording this? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 19:12:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14530; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 19:10:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 19:10:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.253.195.194] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: friendly reminder - SF sampling/electonic show Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:08:37 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2001 00:08:38.0232 (UTC) FILETIME=[9AFCAD80:01C09C63] Resent-Message-ID: <9BCbpC.A.miD.liFl6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm, that email wasn't html encoded when I sent it.... >ps is someone recording this? Steev Hise will be recording the show via minidisc, but it's non-direct and in a boomy room, so who knows how the recording's going to turn out. > >matt davignon wrote: > > > Luggage Store Gallery > 1007 Market Street (at 6th) > Upstairs (2nd >Floor) > San Francisco CA > > Detritus.net presents an Electro-Improv >Jamboree: > A gaggle of musical geeks with sound-making circuitry will > >spend the evening combining and recombining into various > free-improv >duets, trios, and even larger groups. Thrill to > the sight/sound of >just-in-time collaboration! Artists will > include: > >Wobbly(electronics/sampler) > Matt Davignon (turntable + CD) > Steev Hise >(custom linux software) > Matt Ingalls (electronics, custom BeOS software) > > Ryan Francesconi (custom Macintosh software) > Evolution Control >Committee (Thimbletron) > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 19:52:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15503; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 19:50:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 19:50:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAE85@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: "out" Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 19:49:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C09C69.4A2483A0" Resent-Message-ID: <0lSERB.A.AyD.5IGl6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09C69.4A2483A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" one thought . . . what makes anything "out"? i mean people thought that charlie parker and dizzy gillespie were out, they just thought they were trying to play the "pretty notes"; same thing with schoenberg, he just felt that he was trying to build on the harmony of the tradition that he grew out of - - wagner/mahler and brahms . . . these are the kind of views that i would subscribe to for myself. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09C69.4A2483A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
one thought . . . what makes anything "out"? i mean people thought that charlie parker and dizzy gillespie were out, they just thought they were trying to play the "pretty notes"; same thing with schoenberg, he just felt that he was trying to build on the harmony of the tradition that he grew out of - - wagner/mahler and brahms . . . these are the kind of views that i would subscribe to for myself.
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C09C69.4A2483A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 20:41:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17080; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:40:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:40:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:31:21 -0500 (EST) From: Neal Trembath X-Sender: ntrembat@gecko To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: out Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What do you mean by out? --How one has heard it used? --How I might use it? Some people mean, "Hey man, you forget the changes?" For me, I'd use it in the use context as reference to doing something not within some imagined form, doing something other or beyond a set of expectations. Going out would refer to a subtle bending or undermining of the rules governing these expectations, e.g. chord changes, so that one begins with something and takes it entirely elsewhere. All jazz, to some degree, goes out, further the more rules it breaks. I haven't ever heard it applied to music composition, perhaps because of the illusion that each written work is original. Schoenburg (both his composition and other writings) would be a prime example of somebody codifying "music" by what I mean by "rules." N On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: > one thought . . . what makes anything "out"? i mean people thought that > charlie parker and dizzy gillespie were out, they just thought they were > trying to play the "pretty notes"; same thing with schoenberg, he just felt > that he was trying to build on the harmony of the tradition that he grew out > of - - wagner/mahler and brahms . . . these are the kind of views that i From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 20:56:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17417; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:55:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:55:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:53:48 EST Subject: Re: Altomusic EDP group buy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_db.108d27e1.27c5cb2c_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10501 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_db.108d27e1.27c5cb2c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alto Music has them in stock!Call 845 692 6922.Thanks --part1_db.108d27e1.27c5cb2c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alto Music has them in stock!Call 845 692 6922.Thanks --part1_db.108d27e1.27c5cb2c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 21:48:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18840; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:46:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:46:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010222024607.7051.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:46:07 -0800 (PST) From: keith mckenney Subject: Re: out To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1013015799-982809967=:4489" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1013015799-982809967=:4489 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'd say the term 'out' probably comes from 'outsider'...music created by people outside mainstream & academic schools...like "outsider art". So it seems like a term that may be as misleading today as "New Music"... I prefer the blanket (vague) term 'creative music' because it refers to the full spectrum of the music and reflects the efforts of composers and musicians constantly trying new things, often times challenging what we think of as music....isn't that true of everyone that's been mentioned in this thread? --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! --0-1013015799-982809967=:4489 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I'd say the term 'out' probably comes from 'outsider'...music created by people outside mainstream & academic schools...like "outsider art". So it seems like a term that may be as misleading today as "New Music"... I prefer the blanket (vague) term 'creative music' because it refers to the full spectrum of the music and reflects the efforts of composers and musicians constantly trying new things, often times challenging what we think of as music....isn't that true of everyone that's been mentioned in this thread?


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Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! --0-1013015799-982809967=:4489-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 21 23:02:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21371; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:00:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:00:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004901c09c84$43c08340$f3ced6d8@DMCHOME> Reply-To: "squonk" From: "squonk" To: Subject: hello and a question Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:02:19 -0600 Organization: reliable sound products MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01C09C51.F5C3AE60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C09C51.F5C3AE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable has anyone used .wav files with a sampletrak 224 as described in the = manual doesn't seem to work for me and i *would* like to do the edits on my pc thanks d ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C09C51.F5C3AE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C09C51.F5C3AE60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 06:44:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA30625; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 06:31:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 06:31:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c09cc2$ef5530a0$067d7d7d@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <20010222024607.7051.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Subject: "out" is out itself Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:31:00 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C09CC2.EE51CA60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <8pBFcD.A.OeH.xhPl6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C09CC2.EE51CA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't think the term "out" that we're talking about has anything to do = with "outsiders" in this sense. "Out" has to do with whether something = is no longer being designated by (often self-appointed) critics as = "hip", "cool", or otherwise interesting to them - and since such people = always have some claim to the pulse of the public, we should all bow = down, admit how right they are, and follow their "hip" = example/instructions. Bullocks! Bolshoi! (expletive debated but = deleted) I think that in many cases the wonderfully vague (and to middle-of-the = road folks, often discouraging) term "new music" was only used after the = established music biz' sales/distribution centres' dismal failures at = attempting to categorize this broad creative swath we and others = continue to paint. I think a great example of this is the migration = path seen in mainstream record/cd stores that Eno's material took after = his departure from Roxy Music:=20 Stage 1: no appearance Stage 2: Experimental section Stage 3: Electronic section Stage 4: New Age section (this was around 1987) Stage 5: New Music Stage 6: Rock A-Z (after the cigar-chompers figured out he'd = produced U2) So which of the above actually applies? I think the above is more = reflective of the increasing lack of comprehension on the part of = sales/distribution people - and their cheerleaders in the press - than = anything else. If Eno had produced Nirvana as well, they'd have = probably shifted him over to the frigging "Alternative" section. I = really hate having to come up with a label for what I do - and having = settled on "Ambient-situational" I now find the so-called rules of = definition changing yet again. Oh, if I had a drum n' bass behind it, = it'd be "Hard Trance" huh? I suspect the answer for us as artists lies = in being true to our own muses and music, and while keeping an eye on = what people are calling it, not allowing such corn/pigeonholing to = divert or distract us from What We're Doing. If we're interested in = Marketing and Sales figures getting bigger, that's a separate issue = altogether. And now the separate issue. On the rec.music.gdead newsgroup (Grateful Dead, remember them?) = (sarcasm inserted for the under-25 set) someone had been told how Phish = was a bit like Little Feat and Frank Zappa combined with the Dead's = jamming sets. (Whether or not this is true is irrelevant) He'd gone to = the store and looked up Little Feat, picking up the few collections that = exist, but was obviously daunted a bit by the huge numbers of releases = (thank you Ryko!). So he went out to the newsgroup and asked for = suggestions from the denizens therein as to which Zappa albums were the = best for him to start with. Believe it or not one wag, who'd probably never heard Zappa beyond the = sparce airplay he got, popped up with a comment along the lines of = "well, if you're interested in a guy who eats sh#t on stage..." I = therefore had to take issue and set him straight about where THAT = so-called legend came from (many consider John Scher's thug "security" = men to be the source, after having been dressed down by FZ at a show - a = kid lit up a joint, only to be pounced upon and beaten by two of Scher's = nazis, whereupon Frank stopped everything on stage and yelled at them to = let him alone). I also recalled the Alice Cooper "chicken incident" - = the time someone in the audience threw a poor pullet up on stage, Alice = tossed it back into the crowd, and the band watched in horror as the = crowd tore the bird apart. The next day the papers read "Alice Cooper = beheads chicken" - and worse - and he got a phone call from Frank, = wherein he asked "Did you do it?", and advised "Don't tell them you = didn't." The publicity seemed shocking to most at the time, and boosted = sales through the roof. Most Alice Cooper listeners knew this hadn't = really happened, but it sure made for fun boast-sessions, if not also a = means to shock people who probably would never listen to him anyway. = Hell, I remember when all one had to do to get certain people to leave a = party was play Pink Floyd, and tell them you were doing so (these folks = didn't know much more than a few pieces anyway). =20 So what's my point? Just about any publicity is good unless people = believe it enough to stop you from creating your art. Again, Perception = is often Everything to most folks. Ask Eminem - he popped a few Smints = while walking onstage at a show, and the next day the UK press was going = on about him popping Ecstacy in front of his fans. To quote Foghorn = Leghorn, "It's a joke, Son." Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery.html - Online Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C09CC2.EE51CA60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't think the term "out" that we're = talking about=20 has anything to do with "outsiders" in this sense.  "Out" has to do = with=20 whether something is no longer being designated by (often = self-appointed)=20 critics as "hip", "cool", or otherwise interesting to them - and since = such=20 people always have some claim to the pulse of the public, we should all = bow=20 down, admit how right they are, and follow their "hip"=20 example/instructions.  Bullocks!  Bolshoi!  (expletive = debated=20 but deleted)
 
I think that in many cases the wonderfully = vague (and=20 to middle-of-the road folks, often discouraging) term "new music" was = only used=20 after the established music biz' sales/distribution centres' dismal = failures at=20 attempting to categorize this broad creative swath we and others = continue to=20 paint.  I think a great example of this is the migration path seen = in=20 mainstream record/cd stores that Eno's material took after his departure = from=20 Roxy Music:
 
    Stage 1: no = appearance
    Stage 2: Experimental=20 section
    Stage 3: Electronic=20 section
    Stage 4: New Age section = (this was=20 around 1987)
    Stage 5: New = Music
    Stage 6: Rock A-Z (after = the=20 cigar-chompers figured out he'd produced U2)
 
So which of the above actually applies?  = I think=20 the above is more reflective of the increasing lack of = comprehension on the=20 part of sales/distribution people - and their cheerleaders in the press=20 - than anything else.  If Eno had produced Nirvana as well, = they'd=20 have probably shifted him over to the frigging "Alternative" = section.  I=20 really hate having to come up with a label for what I do - and having = settled on=20 "Ambient-situational" I now find the so-called rules of definition = changing yet=20 again.  Oh, if I had a drum n' bass behind it, it'd be "Hard = Trance"=20 huh?  I suspect the answer for us as artists lies in being true to = our own=20 muses and music, and while keeping an eye on what people are calling it, = not=20 allowing such corn/pigeonholing to divert or distract us from What We're = Doing.  If we're interested in Marketing and Sales figures getting = bigger,=20 that's a separate issue altogether.
 
And now the separate issue.
 
On the rec.music.gdead newsgroup (Grateful = Dead,=20 remember them?) (sarcasm inserted for the under-25 set) someone had been = told=20 how Phish was a bit like Little Feat and Frank Zappa combined with the = Dead's=20 jamming sets.  (Whether or not this is true is irrelevant)  = He'd gone=20 to the store and looked up Little Feat, picking up the few collections = that=20 exist, but was obviously daunted a bit by the huge numbers of releases = (thank=20 you Ryko!).  So he went out to the newsgroup and asked for = suggestions from=20 the denizens therein as to which Zappa albums were the best for him to = start=20 with.
 
Believe it or not one wag, who'd probably = never heard=20 Zappa beyond the sparce airplay he got, popped up with a comment along = the lines=20 of "well, if you're interested in a guy who eats sh#t on stage..."  = I=20 therefore had to take issue and set him straight about where THAT = so-called=20 legend came from (many consider John Scher's thug "security" men to be = the=20 source, after having been dressed down by FZ at a show - a kid lit up a = joint,=20 only to be pounced upon and beaten by two of Scher's nazis, whereupon = Frank=20 stopped everything on stage and yelled at them to let him alone).  = I also=20 recalled the Alice Cooper "chicken incident" - the time someone in the = audience=20 threw a poor pullet up on stage, Alice tossed it back into the crowd, = and the=20 band watched in horror as the crowd tore the bird apart.  The next = day the=20 papers read "Alice Cooper beheads chicken" - and worse - and he got a = phone call=20 from Frank, wherein he asked "Did you do it?", and advised "Don't tell = them you=20 didn't."  The publicity seemed shocking to most at the time, and = boosted=20 sales through the roof.  Most Alice Cooper listeners knew this = hadn't=20 really happened, but it sure made for fun boast-sessions, if not also a = means to=20 shock people who probably would never listen to him anyway.  Hell, = I=20 remember when all one had to do to get certain people to leave a party = was play=20 Pink Floyd, and tell them you were doing so (these folks didn't know = much more=20 than a few pieces anyway). 
 
So what's my point?  Just about any = publicity is=20 good unless people believe it enough to stop you from creating your = art. =20 Again, Perception is often Everything to most folks.  Ask Eminem - = he=20 popped a few Smints while walking onstage at a show, and the next day = the UK=20 press was going on about him popping Ecstacy in front of his fans.  = To=20 quote Foghorn Leghorn, "It's a joke, Son."
 
Stephen Goodman
http://www.earthlight.net= /Gallery.html=20 - Online Cartoons & Illustrations
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------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C09CC2.EE51CA60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 11:18:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05120; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:15:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:15:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <55.1184054c.27c694c4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:13:56 EST Subject: OT: very: Re: "out" is out itself To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_55.1184054c.27c694c4_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_55.1184054c.27c694c4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit just responding partially to: spgoodman@earthlight.net writes: >I don't think the term "out" that we're talking about has anything to do >with "outsiders" in this sense. "Out" has to do with whether something >is no longer being designated by (often self-appointed) critics as "hip", >"cool", or otherwise interesting to them - this is definitely *not* my understanding of the term 'out', at least insofar as its regular useage in the vernacular of the community in which i participate. my understanding of the term might loosely define it thusly: 'out'side the norm (eg, playing 'outside the ordained changes', from the 'jazz/post-jazz' community), as in the commonly used phrase: 'that shit was *out*!' add'ly, my comprehension of the word also falls within a context more akin to whatall's been termed 'outsider art'..... also: are not *all* critics ---including you, me, et al--- self-appointed, somehow? >and since such people always >have some claim to the pulse of the public, we should all bow down, admit >how right they are, and follow their "hip" example/instructions. Bullocks! > Bolshoi! (expletive debated but deleted) i agree, sorta/kinda: though i think it can be aesthetically 'enlightening', somehow, to allow oneself to weigh *all* kindsa folks' opinions on things 'artistic', esp. when they don't agree w/one's own; hmmmm..... i don't think it's necessary that such considerations oughta threaten one's personal 'artistic' directions, but, rather, that attitude may enrich/broaden one's perspective..... even when one's basic/initial reaction is severe, as in 'anger', 'bitterness', 'fear'..... but, whatever..... all digressions..... all incorporated into music, into looping..... best, dt / S-C --part1_55.1184054c.27c694c4_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Full-name: Hedewa7 Message-ID: <97.118e221c.27c6945d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:12:13 EST Subject: OT: very: Re: "out" is out itself To: spgoodman@earthlight.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 just responding partially to: spgoodman@earthlight.net writes: >I don't think the term "out" that we're talking about has anything to do >with "outsiders" in this sense. "Out" has to do with whether something >is no longer being designated by (often self-appointed) critics as "hip", >"cool", or otherwise interesting to them - this is definitely *not* my understanding of the term 'out', at least insofar as its regular useage in the vernacular of the community in which i participate. my understanding of the term might loosely define it thusly: 'out'side the norm (eg, playing 'outside the ordained changes', from the 'jazz/post-jazz' community), as in the commonly used phrase: 'that shit was *out*!' add'ly, my comprehension of the word also falls within a context more akin to whatall's been termed 'outsider art'..... also: are not *all* critics ---including you, me, et al--- self-appointed, somehow? >and since such people always >have some claim to the pulse of the public, we should all bow down, admit >how right they are, and follow their "hip" example/instructions. Bullocks! > Bolshoi! (expletive debated but deleted) i agree, sorta/kinda: though i think it can be aesthetically 'enlightening', somehow, to allow oneself to weigh *all* kindsa folks' opinions on things 'artistic', esp. when they don't agree w/one's own; hmmmm..... i don't think it's necessary that such considerations oughta threaten one's personal 'artistic' directions, but, rather, that attitude may enrich/broaden one's perspective..... even when one's basic/initial reaction is severe, as in 'anger', 'bitterness', 'fear'..... but, whatever..... all digressions..... all incorporated into music, into looping..... best, dt / S-C --part1_55.1184054c.27c694c4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 11:18:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05122; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:15:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:15:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A953AE0.24255F8C@aldenem.com> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:14:25 -0800 From: Rick Hutchinson Reply-To: rick@aldenincorporated.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bid on Scott's stuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey now, Scott, and or anyone else, I read somewhere that you have a Jamman and an Echoplex for sale??!! I am interested and would like to find out more and bid on the said objects of desire. Thanks, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 11:53:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06076; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:49:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:49:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006801c09cee$dd421960$5944230a@mlameyer02> X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <55.1184054c.27c694c4@aol.com> Subject: Re: very: Re: "out" is out itself Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:45:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jah! A diversity of perspective is not only a healthy and good thing, but completely unavoidable, practically speaking. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 11:13 AM Subject: OT: very: Re: "out" is out itself > >and since such people always > >have some claim to the pulse of the public, we should all bow down, admit > >how right they are, and follow their "hip" example/instructions. Bullocks! > > Bolshoi! (expletive debated but deleted) > i agree, sorta/kinda: > though i think it can be aesthetically 'enlightening', somehow, to allow > oneself to weigh *all* kindsa folks' opinions on things 'artistic', esp. when > they don't agree w/one's own; hmmmm..... > i don't think it's necessary that such considerations oughta threaten one's > personal 'artistic' directions, but, rather, that attitude may enrich/broaden > one's perspective..... even when one's basic/initial reaction is severe, as > in 'anger', 'bitterness', 'fear'..... > but, whatever..... > all digressions..... > all incorporated into music, into looping..... > best, > dt / S-C > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 12:08:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06917; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:05:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:05:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009801c09cf1$7e719c00$067d7d7d@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <55.1184054c.27c694c4@aol.com> Subject: Re: very: Re: "out" is out itself Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:04:14 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <0qFP1.A.WrB.TaUl6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nope, merely reacting to the kind of closed-mindedness that pervades the music biz as some kind of qualification process. All too easy to think of it as one big happy family when one's included perhaps. From: > just responding partially to: > spgoodman@earthlight.net writes: > >I don't think the term "out" that we're talking about has anything to do > >with "outsiders" in this sense. "Out" has to do with whether something > >is no longer being designated by (often self-appointed) critics as "hip", > >"cool", or otherwise interesting to them - > this is definitely *not* my understanding of the term 'out', at least insofar > as its regular useage in the vernacular of the community in which i > participate. > my understanding of the term might loosely define it thusly: > 'out'side the norm (eg, playing 'outside the ordained changes', from the > 'jazz/post-jazz' community), as in the commonly used phrase: > 'that shit was *out*!' Where I was coming from is not the 'jazz community', so the phrase 'out' must have a different meaning there. I guess it's a bit like the blank look one would get if yez went to St. Louis and asked where one could find "da kine". > add'ly, my comprehension of the word also falls within a context more akin to > whatall's been termed 'outsider art'..... > > also: > are not *all* critics ---including you, me, et al--- self-appointed, somehow? Probably. The critics I'm referring to - the ones that usually get heard, printed and offered up as manna - are usually paid for it. > >and since such people always > >have some claim to the pulse of the public, we should all bow down, admit > >how right they are, and follow their "hip" example/instructions. Bullocks! > > Bolshoi! (expletive debated but deleted) > i agree, sorta/kinda: > though i think it can be aesthetically 'enlightening', somehow, to allow > oneself to weigh *all* kindsa folks' opinions on things 'artistic', esp. when > they don't agree w/one's own; hmmmm..... Simply thinking that I'm downing someone else's opinion because it's different than mine is less than open-minded on its own. What I was talking about was the way the music biz operates on a level of manditory classification, and how many critics in the press act more as promoters for that thought process than actual examiners of art. This aspect is one that causes us all trouble in getting heard, sold, played, you name it. Reacting negatively to closed-mindedness and limited thinking, and the selling of it as truth, is not in itself closed-minded, folks. Have a cookie. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery.html - Online Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 12:53:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08041; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:51:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:51:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:23:36 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: "out" is out itself In-reply-to: <003001c09cc2$ef5530a0$067d7d7d@stephen> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net (Unverified) To: "Stephen P. Goodman" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <20010222024607.7051.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> <003001c09cc2$ef5530a0$067d7d7d@stephen> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:13 AM -0500 2/22/01, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >my understanding of the term might loosely define it thusly: >'out'side the norm (eg, playing 'outside the ordained changes', from the >'jazz/post-jazz' community), as in the commonly used phrase: >'that shit was *out*!' This is the exactly the musical/social context and meaning of "out" that I'm familiar with, having heard it used that way by improvising musicians on the international free music scene. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 13:01:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08688; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:59:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:59:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAE87@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: out Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:58:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C09CF9.03215600" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09CF9.03215600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For me, I'd use it in the use context as reference to doing something not within some imagined form, doing something other or beyond a set of expectations. ** cool. Going out would refer to a subtle bending or undermining of the rules governing these expectations, e.g. chord changes, so that one begins with something and takes it entirely elsewhere. ** why subtle? :-) All jazz, to some degree, goes out, further the more rules it breaks. ** actually i wouldn't agree with this. maybe all jazz was at one point "out" - - i.e., "revolutionary" - - (though this is open to debate), but after a certain point . . . what was once new becomes old and the status quo. there are a lot of people playing dixieland - - or doing the wynton marasalis jazz played on original instruments thing (for those aware of the baroque on origial instruments thing . . . they both seem like museum music at this point). I haven't ever heard it applied to music composition, perhaps because of the illusion that each written work is original. ** but all music is written in some sort of continuum - - nobody truly exists in a vacuum as far as i know. and . . . don't you think that things are only "out" when viewed in comparison to something else that is more accepted? Schoenburg (both his composition and other writings) would be a prime example of somebody codifying "music" by what I mean by "rules." ** actually, if you study a little about schoenberg, he was considered to be quite "out" in his time. he was in the unusual position of being someone who was both stretching and codifying HIS new rules at the same time. in a certain way, his development of a new harmonic theory could be considered to be quite a bit more subversive than some other "outside" folks. (as far as his "outness" richard strauss - - who himself was once an enfant terrible - - was reputedly so appalled by schoenberg's music that he told him he should be a janitor.) stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09CF9.03215600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: out

For me, I'd use it in the use context as reference to = doing something not
within some imagined form, doing something other or = beyond a set of
expectations. 

** cool.

Going out would refer to a subtle bending or = undermining of
the rules governing these expectations, e.g. chord = changes, so that one
begins with something and takes it entirely = elsewhere. 

** why subtle? :-)

All jazz, to some
degree, goes out, further the more rules it = breaks.

** actually i wouldn't agree with this. maybe all = jazz was at one point "out" - - i.e., = "revolutionary" - - (though this is open to debate), but = after a certain point . . .  what was once new becomes old and the = status quo. there are a lot of people playing dixieland - - or doing = the wynton marasalis jazz played on original instruments thing (for = those aware of the baroque on origial instruments thing . . . they both = seem like museum music at this point).

I haven't ever heard it applied to music composition, = perhaps because of
the illusion that each written work is = original.

** but all music is written in some sort of continuum = - - nobody truly exists in a vacuum as far as i know. and . . . don't = you think that things are only "out" when viewed in = comparison to something else that is more accepted?

Schoenburg (both his composition and other writings) = would be a prime
example of somebody codifying "music" by = what I mean by "rules."

** actually, if you study a little about schoenberg, = he was considered to be quite "out" in his time. he was in = the unusual position of being someone who was both stretching and = codifying HIS new rules at the same time. in a certain way, his = development of a new harmonic theory could be considered to be quite a = bit more subversive than some other "outside" folks. (as far = as his "outness" richard strauss - - who himself was once an = enfant terrible - -  was reputedly so appalled by schoenberg's = music that he told him he should be a janitor.)

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C09CF9.03215600-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 13:06:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08883; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:04:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:04:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAE88@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: out Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:03:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C09CF9.BE5D01D0" Resent-Message-ID: <4s_BtB.A.aKC.VSVl6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09CF9.BE5D01D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'd say the term 'out' probably comes from 'outsider'...music created by people outside mainstream & academic schools...like "outsider art". So it seems like a term that may be as misleading today as "New Music"... I prefer the blanket (vague) term 'creative music' because it refers to the full spectrum of the music and reflects the efforts of composers and musicians constantly trying new things, ** while i tend to agree with you, the usage of the term "creative music" does imply that people cannot be creative in other musical endeavors and often makes me feel that i am being elitist ifi use it. when people ask me what i do i am often at a loss for words. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09CF9.BE5D01D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
I'd say the term 'out' probably comes from 'outsider'...music created by people outside mainstream & academic schools...like "outsider art". So it seems like a term that may be as misleading today as "New Music"... I prefer the blanket (vague) term 'creative music' because it refers to the full spectrum of the music and reflects the efforts of composers and musicians constantly trying new things,  
 
** while i tend to agree with you, the usage of the term "creative music" does imply that people cannot be creative in other musical endeavors and often makes me feel that i am being elitist ifi use it. when people ask me what i do i am often at a loss for words.
 
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C09CF9.BE5D01D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 13:08:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08931; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:06:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:06:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200102221805.KAA02902@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:05:34 -0500 Subject: repeater From: "David J Dowling" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Been off the list for a while. Wondering if there is new info on the Repeater since NAMM. Can't find any recent posts in the archive. As far as I can tell, Repeater looks Amazing. I'm curious as to if there are "flaws". If this is "old hat" please respond privately as not to bore the rest of the list recipients. Thanks Dave -- David J Dowling Artistic Director Unnameable Theate www.unnameabletheatre.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 13:10:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09160; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:09:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:09:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAE89@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: very: Re: "out" is out itself Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:07:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C09CFA.5062C060" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09CFA.5062C060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" my understanding of the term might loosely define it thusly: 'out'side the norm (eg, playing 'outside the ordained changes', from the 'jazz/post-jazz' community), as in the commonly used phrase: 'that shit was *out*!' ** sometimes that happens when someone plays something so amazing and unexpected - - but so perfect - - that it is just an exclamation of joy and awe at the creativity. you know, shorthand for "out of this world." stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09CFA.5062C060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: very: Re: "out" is out itself

my understanding of the term might loosely define it = thusly:
'out'side the norm (eg, playing 'outside the = ordained changes', from the
'jazz/post-jazz' community), as in the commonly used = phrase:
'that shit was *out*!'

** sometimes that happens when someone plays = something so amazing and unexpected - - but so perfect - - that it is = just an exclamation of joy and awe at the creativity. you know, = shorthand for "out of this world."

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C09CFA.5062C060-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 13:29:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09673; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:27:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:27:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A95D54F.A01F720@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:13:19 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater References: <200102221805.KAA02902@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David J Dowling wrote: > > Hi, > > Been off the list for a while. > Wondering if there is new info on the Repeater since NAMM. Can't find any > recent posts in the archive. You're right there is a conspiracy: the archives are filtered specially to delete any new news about the R******* >As far as I can tell, Repeater looks Amazing. > I'm curious as to if there are "flaws". I had the chance to "see" some of these deleted archives and they all say the R******* is not looping yet it doesnt even exist yet >If this is "old hat" please respond > privately as not to bore the rest of the list recipients. it didnt bore me to respond to this burning question silence is suspect :=) Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 13:47:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10176; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:45:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:45:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:35:06 -0800 Subject: Re: repeater From: Jamie Drouin To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3A95D54F.A01F720@vtx.ch> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3ULFmC.A.XeC.B4Vl6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 2/22/01 7:13 PM, Claude Voit at c.voit@vtx.ch wrote: > >> As far as I can tell, Repeater looks Amazing. >> I'm curious as to if there are "flaws". > I had the chance to "see" some of these deleted archives and they all > say the R******* is not looping yet it doesnt even exist yet It's looping...just not shipping yet. Expect some (very) good news soon! later, Jamie. Jamie Drouin Visual Designer for Electrix (a division of IVL Technologies Ltd) 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 13:47:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10173; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:44:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:44:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAE8E@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: very: Re: "out" is out itself Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:43:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C09CFF.491CC670" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09CFF.491CC670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Nope, merely reacting to the kind of closed-mindedness that pervades the music biz as some kind of qualification process. All too easy to think of it as one big happy family when one's included perhaps. ** often not just the folks in the entertainment biz!!!!!! > >and since such people always > >have some claim to the pulse of the public, we should all bow down, admit > >how right they are, and follow their "hip" example/instructions. Bullocks! > > Bolshoi! (expletive debated but deleted) > i agree, sorta/kinda: > though i think it can be aesthetically 'enlightening', somehow, to allow > oneself to weigh *all* kindsa folks' opinions on things 'artistic', esp. when > they don't agree w/one's own; hmmmm..... Simply thinking that I'm downing someone else's opinion because it's different than mine is less than open-minded on its own. ** ya know . . . i think the point was that even "criticism" of what we do - - especially the stuff that we disagree with - - can be useful in helping us hone our artistry. some of my favorite reviewd have been negative as they showed tha ti hit a nerve. i don't think that the comment was directed at anyone who was on the thread. What I was talking about was the way the music biz operates on a level of manditory classification, and how many critics in the press act more as promoters for that thought process than actual examiners of art. This aspect is one that causes us all trouble in getting heard, sold, played, you name it. ** well you're right about that!! but some of it is just that the crits don't understand/like - - their is no monetary/industry incentive. also, you know there are some people who are pissed when crits champion something that the reader thinks is the emperor's new clothes. poor crits, hated by the vanguard and by the hoi-polloi (only half kidding here!) stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09CFF.491CC670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: very: Re: "out" is out itself

Nope, merely reacting to the kind of = closed-mindedness that pervades the
music biz as some kind of qualification = process.  All too easy to think of
it as one big happy family when one's included = perhaps.

** often not just the folks in the entertainment = biz!!!!!!


> >and since such people always
> >have some claim to the pulse of the public, = we should all bow down, admit
> >how right they are, and follow their = "hip" example/instructions.
Bullocks!
> > Bolshoi!  (expletive debated but = deleted)
> i agree, sorta/kinda:
> though i think it can be aesthetically = 'enlightening', somehow, to allow
> oneself to weigh *all* kindsa folks' opinions = on things 'artistic', esp.
when
> they don't agree w/one's own; hmmmm.....

Simply thinking that I'm downing someone else's = opinion because it's
different than mine is less than open-minded on its = own. 

** ya know . . . i think the point was that even = "criticism" of what we do - - especially the stuff that we = disagree with - - can be useful in helping us hone our artistry. some = of my favorite reviewd have been negative as they showed tha ti hit a = nerve. i don't think that the comment was directed at anyone who was on = the thread.


What I was talking
about was the way the music biz operates on a level = of manditory
classification, and how many critics in the press = act more as promoters for
that thought process than actual examiners of = art.  This aspect is one that
causes us all trouble in getting heard, sold, = played, you name it. 

** well you're right about that!! but some of it is = just that the crits don't understand/like - - their is no = monetary/industry incentive. also, you know there are some people who = are pissed when crits champion something that the reader thinks is the = emperor's new clothes. poor crits, hated by the vanguard and by the = hoi-polloi (only half kidding here!)

stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C09CFF.491CC670-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 14:11:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11454; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:09:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:09:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.81.192.168] Reply-To: klaw@konstant.com From: "keenan lawler" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Tel Ray Ad-N -Echo Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:08:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2001 19:08:12.0270 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD16E8E0:01C09D02] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all --posting for a friend i have a Tel Ray AD -N - Echo model # 1001 for sale in excellent condition -very rare & unique - long discontinued due to EPA issues ---$200 reply to klaw@konstant.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 14:31:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11924; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:30:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:30:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.145.223.7] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: out Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:28:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2001 19:28:49.0470 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE84A5E0:01C09D05] Resent-Message-ID: <0BPlsD.A.H6C.QiWl6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com when people ask me >what i do i am often at a loss for words. > > >stig > I think most, if not all of us on this list can relate to that statment!! Pete. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 15:07:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13156; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:04:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:04:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A9570CE.483D1E5@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:04:52 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: out References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAE88@migarexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > > > I'd say the term 'out' probably comes from > 'outsider'...music created by people outside mainstream & > academic schools...like "outsider art". So it seems like a > term that may be as misleading today as "New Music"... I > prefer the blanket (vague) term 'creative music' because it > refers to the full spectrum of the music and reflects the > efforts of composers and musicians constantly trying new > things, ** while i tend to agree with you, the usage of the > term "creative music" does imply that people cannot be > creative in other musical endeavors and often makes me feel > that i am being elitist ifi use it. when people ask me what > i do i am often at a loss for words. stig > "once upon a time there was a little boy and he went outside." -harry partch ca.1969, preface to the 2nd edition of genesis of a music lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 16:25:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15263; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:23:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:23:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:07:36 EST Subject: OT: Re: very: Re: "out" is out itself To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com spgoodman@earthlight.net writes: >Nope, merely reacting to the kind of closed-mindedness that pervades the >music biz as some kind of qualification process. All too easy to think >of it as one big happy family when one's included perhaps. please, excuse me; i presume -maybe erroneously- that we looper'sdelighters are somehow *all included* in the so-called 'music biz', whether we like it or not..... i'd thunk that most of the ld'ers do one/some/or all of the following: a) play live b) publish music on cd, mp3, etc c) occasionally make some dosh at a) and/or b) d) etc >Simply thinking that I'm downing someone else's opinion because it's >different than mine is less than open-minded on its own. or, maybe i misunderstood you? indeed, what i said was: "though i think it can be aesthetically 'enlightening', somehow, to allow oneself to weigh *all* kindsa folks' opinions on things 'artistic', esp. when they don't agree w/one's own;" (note use of phrase 'to ALLOW oneself': i didn't suggest that you were 'downing someone else's opinion'.....) regardless, i didn't say that *i* had an open mind..... though it sounds like a nice ideal..... *-) >What I was talking >about was the way the music biz operates on a level of manditory >classification, and how many critics in the press act more as promoters >for that thought process than actual examiners of art. This aspect is one >that >causes us all trouble in getting heard, sold, played, you name it. Reacting >negatively to closed-mindedness and limited thinking, and the selling of >it as truth, is not in itself closed-minded, folks. Have a cookie. indeed, i agree w/you, there. but, i don't want a cookie, right now..... (for some strange reason, the tone of your last buncha missives makes my stomach all knotted..... sigh..... ) best, dt / S-C From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 16:50:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15865; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:47:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:47:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:38:15 -0500 (EST) From: Neal Trembath X-Sender: ntrembat@gecko To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: out In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At the risk of keeping this conversation from going further out (which would be much better: OT = out), a few corrections to my writing to clarify the image I thought was in my head: Being out is great, but getting there, while subverting peoples' perceptions of specific form (and even meaning) and undermining their points of reference, is twice the fun! Of course, hyperspace jumping to other things is just as great. (But for the jump to have meaning, the former must have been experienced, and, in so lingering, affects the latter--the shift is still experienced, reconsituted, retrospectively, even if after the piece. The transition is contructed after the fact, the meaning transpl . . . hey, what is this bullshit?!? Jazz, for me, is all about the improvisational aspects of that music against a backdrop or history of some form (what was once blues, although now any notion will do: improvize over "Music for Sub Atomic Particles"), and so, in that it is improvisational, always goes out, no matter how dusty the can from which it springs. Regarding composed music, yes, of course every piece is heard and written in a context, which is what I meant by the "illusion that each piece is original." Schoenburg understood that, once a music becomes a genre, it can be said to adhere generally to a certain set of rules. He wrote a music theory book codifying the Baroque. He wrote the rules to his own type of music to be intentionally different from other music (and then, for the sake of making it musical, broke them). I think we're in agreement. So, now that I've drawn up the contract to our agreement, you can send two cents remuneration to Escaping Da Loop, 2001 Navel Gazer Blvd., Berkeley, CA 94704. :) Neal P.S., if S had become a janitor, he may, over the course of his lifetime, had been better able to expose more young minds to his music. Or don't American high schools have music piped into their bathrooms? On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Liebig, Steuart A. wrote: > Going out would refer to a subtle bending or undermining of > the rules governing these expectations, e.g. chord changes, so that one > begins with something and takes it entirely elsewhere. > > ** why subtle? :-) > > All jazz, to some > degree, goes out, further the more rules it breaks. > > ** actually i wouldn't agree with this. maybe all jazz was at one point > "out" - - i.e., "revolutionary" - - (though this is open to debate), but > after a certain point . . . what was once new becomes old and the status > quo. there are a lot of people playing dixieland - - or doing the wynton > marasalis jazz played on original instruments thing (for those aware of the > baroque on origial instruments thing . . . they both seem like museum music > at this point). > > I haven't ever heard it applied to music composition, perhaps because of > the illusion that each written work is original. > > ** but all music is written in some sort of continuum - - nobody truly > exists in a vacuum as far as i know. and . . . don't you think that things > are only "out" when viewed in comparison to something else that is more > accepted? > > Schoenburg (both his composition and other writings) would be a prime > example of somebody codifying "music" by what I mean by "rules." > > ** actually, if you study a little about schoenberg, he was considered to be > quite "out" in his time. he was in the unusual position of being someone who > was both stretching and codifying HIS new rules at the same time. in a > certain way, his development of a new harmonic theory could be considered to > be quite a bit more subversive than some other "outside" folks. (as far as > his "outness" richard strauss - - who himself was once an enfant terrible - > - was reputedly so appalled by schoenberg's music that he told him he > should be a janitor.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 17:29:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17844; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:27:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:27:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A954D41.70427FBB@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:32:50 +0000 From: steve tanner Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: out References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com shut up and play yer guitar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 17:56:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18624; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:55:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:55:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c09d29$f37ab8a0$067d7d7d@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: out Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:48:25 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Neal Trembath" spewed: > P.S., if S had become a janitor, he may, over the course of his lifetime, > had been better able to expose more young minds to his music. Or don't > American high schools have music piped into their bathrooms? It would seem that some of us are more in need of hurling personal insults than others. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery.html - Online Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 18:07:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19391; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:05:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:05:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: out MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:09:22 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4417.0 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: out Thread-Index: AcCdIwd8RzHye39FSL+N81ZUl9aMiQAADJQA From: "Kim Flint" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA19320 Resent-Message-ID: <-jSF9D.A.IuE.wsZl6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com he was referring to Schoenberg, not you. Seemed like that was pretty clear from the context of the steuart/neal conversation, given that it was about Schoenberg and his critic's suggestion of other career options. kim -----Original Message----- From: Stephen P. Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 3:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: out "Neal Trembath" spewed: > P.S., if S had become a janitor, he may, over the course of his lifetime, > had been better able to expose more young minds to his music. Or don't > American high schools have music piped into their bathrooms? It would seem that some of us are more in need of hurling personal insults than others. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery.html - Online Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 18:14:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19662; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:12:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:12:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008001c09d2c$4d4715c0$067d7d7d@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: out Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 00:04:53 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry then. I've had a lot of personal attacks today. I guess my own raw nerve popped on that one. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 18:56:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20627; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:47:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:47:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010222184800.009fc710@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: robert@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:49:46 -0500 To: loopers delight From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: nyc gig slammo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_15864071==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_15864071==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed here's an event that mixes excitement with sadness... anti:clockwise at the pink pony wednesday february 28 10:00 pm the pony seems to really be closing after this show. i guess this is one of those gigs that you wish sort of didn't exist.... but if it has to be someone, i'm ready to accept the challange. a veritable "six flags over looping". expect wistful anger, chromatic confusion, blatant rampantism, and maybe even lighting by chris jordan. hope you can be there too... robert *************************** - just what the world needs... another frikkin url - --=====================_15864071==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
here's an event that mixes excitement with sadness...

anti:clockwise at the pink pony

wednesday february 28
10:00 pm

the pony seems to really be closing after this show.
i guess this is one of those gigs that you wish sort of didn't exist....
but if it has to be someone, i'm ready to accept the challange.

a veritable "six flags over looping".
expect wistful anger, chromatic confusion, blatant rampantism,
and maybe even lighting by chris jordan.

hope you can be there too...

robert



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 - just what the world needs... another frikkin url -
--=====================_15864071==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 19:00:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20710; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:50:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:50:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008001c09d2c$4d4715c0$067d7d7d@stephen> References: <008001c09d2c$4d4715c0$067d7d7d@stephen> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:39:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: out Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com relax, stephen...breathe in some of that london air and loop away your troubles. i don't think anyone at LD means to personally attack another...we just seem to get our feathers ruffled *sometimes* and make *sometimes* grandiose statements from our soapboxes of *sometimes* limited scope...which in turn *sometimes* upsets the person being responded to. you and i have done this, no? and i gotta say, you throw down with the best of 'em. perhaps this is good therapy...getting all riled up in an atmosphere of no tension speaks more about our headspace than the 'virtual' environment we find ourselves in, i think. the lion's den is filled with kittens. best regards, rich >Sorry then. I've had a lot of personal attacks today. I guess my own raw >nerve popped on that one. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 19:06:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20831; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:54:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:54:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010222235409.29124.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:54:09 -0800 (PST) From: keith mckenney Subject: RE: out To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAE88@migarexch01.maritz.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-712729870-982886049=:28264" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-712729870-982886049=:28264 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'd say the term 'out' probably comes from 'outsider'...music created by people outside mainstream & academic schools...like "outsider art". So it seems like a term that may be as misleading today as "New Music"... I prefer the blanket (vague) term 'creative music' because it refers to the full spectrum of the music and reflects the efforts of composers and musicians constantly trying new things, ** while i tend to agree with you, the usage of the term "creative music" does imply that people cannot be creative in other musical endeavors and often makes me feel that i am being elitist ifi use it. when people ask me what i do i am often at a loss for words. ++Agreed...labels are labels...it's like the prefix of 'art-' before Rock or Song, etc...snooty as if nothing else is of an equal value...I guess since I don't normally have to describe the stuff I make or listen to, I didn't consider that. I'd also like to point out that I was making a guess at the origin of the term 'out' in the above paragraph...that's I said it may be misleading...and yeah also, the like Beat slang, 'out', 'gone', whatever...freaky, extraterrestrial --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! --0-712729870-982886049=:28264 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I'd say the term 'out' probably comes from 'outsider'...music created by people outside mainstream & academic schools...like "outsider art". So it seems like a term that may be as misleading today as "New Music"... I prefer the blanket (vague) term 'creative music' because it refers to the full spectrum of the music and reflects the efforts of composers and musicians constantly trying new things,  
 
** while i tend to agree with you, the usage of the term "creative music" does imply that people cannot be creative in other musical endeavors and often makes me feel that i am being elitist ifi use it. when people ask me what i do i am often at a loss for words.
 
++Agreed...labels are labels...it's like the prefix of 'art-' before Rock or Song, etc...snooty as if nothing else is of an equal value...I guess since I don't normally have to describe the stuff I make or listen to, I didn't consider that.
 
I'd also like to point out that I was making a guess at the origin of the term 'out' in the above paragraph...that's I said it may be misleading...and yeah also, the like Beat slang, 'out', 'gone', whatever...freaky, extraterrestrial


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Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! --0-712729870-982886049=:28264-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 19:07:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21761; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:06:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:06:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010223000548.19565.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:05:48 -0800 (PST) From: keith mckenney Subject: Re: out To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1045346039-982886748=:19162" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1045346039-982886748=:19162 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'd say the term 'out' probably comes from 'outsider'...music created by people outside mainstream & academic schools...like "outsider art". So it seems like a term that may be as misleading today as "New Music"... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! --0-1045346039-982886748=:19162 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I'd say the term 'out' probably comes from 'outsider'...music created by people outside mainstream & academic schools...like "outsider art". So it seems like a term that may be as misleading today as "New Music"...


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Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! --0-1045346039-982886748=:19162-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 19:10:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22009; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:08:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:08:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:05:56 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: 1U PC for Kyma (was Re: Llive llooping, Cardiff, Wales) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <07b501c09d2c$6574d010$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <1.5.4.32.20010215193520.0068ddc8@subnet.virtual-pc.com> <000201c09824$9d6bb4a0$17b46fd4@y5w2s5> <010b01c0983e$55ca4ed0$080210ac@jpalmer> <000201c09a43$043d81c0$fa936fd4@y5w2s5> <023201c09acb$61ee7530$080210ac@jpalmer> <01a801c09c3d$d3f9de80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i haven't really shopped around but i checked out the place i bought my last pc. they have a 1 rack space basic pentium iii system for $1009. http://www.micropro.com/main.cgi?CONFIGURATOR don't forget the flat panel monitor... i think a touch screen would be the way to go. haven't researched prices there either, but a quick look at pricewatch.com showed a 12 inch (tiny could be good) costing $825. even without touch screen a flat panel costs at least $400 and the larger ones are much more. i heard of a place that configures the whole system with pc, screen, keys and mouse all rack mounted with keys on a shelf and monitor slides out and rotates. can't remember who/what/where.... of course, we are talking about looping with this setup looplooplooplooplooplooplooplooplooplooplooplooplooploop there! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Leas" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 1:38 PM Subject: 1U PC for Kyma (was Re: Llive llooping, Cardiff, Wales) > > i'm thinking that the single space rack mount pc's they sell as > > network servers might be cool. > > add a flat panel moniter (maybe with a touch screen) > > and rack it up with the capybara > > You really have me thinking about this, Jim. Check out: > > http://www.bynari.net/1U_Rack.htm > > He comes up with $697 for a DIY 1U rackmount PC. Add in a keyboard/monitor > and you're close to a laptop price. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 19:11:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22172; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:10:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:10:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010223000932.27546.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:09:32 -0800 (PST) From: keith mckenney Subject: Re: out To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20010223000548.19565.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-791346347-982886972=:27121" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-791346347-982886972=:27121 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii sorry---didn't mean to post that again! :} --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! --0-791346347-982886972=:27121 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii sorry---didn't mean to post that again! :}


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Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! --0-791346347-982886972=:27121-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 19:15:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22367; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:12:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:12:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:09:54 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: audience for 'out' music = derivitative of jazz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <07c501c09d2c$f34c0020$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <3A942840.A09EC3F9@virtulink.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >...he quit because playing three instruments > was too much ... > > > -- > * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y damm! i'm going to have to drop a bunch of instruments, then... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 19:17:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22490; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:15:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:15:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAE9C@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: out Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:14:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C09D2D.8E912560" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09D2D.8E912560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ++Agreed...labels are labels...it's like the prefix of 'art-' before Rock or Song, etc...snooty as if nothing else is of an equal value...I guess since I don't normally have to describe the stuff I make or listen to, I didn't consider that. ** a lot of people use that terminology - - i have in the past as well. i was just trying to give a different slant on the deal because of the reasons given. I'd also like to point out that I was making a guess at the origin of the term 'out' in the above paragraph...that's I said it may be misleading...and yeah also, the like Beat slang, 'out', 'gone', whatever...freaky, extraterrestrial ** cool. sorry if i gave the impression that i wasn't in some agreement there . . . stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09D2D.8E912560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
++Agreed...labels are labels...it's like the prefix of 'art-' before Rock or Song, etc...snooty as if nothing else is of an equal value...I guess since I don't normally have to describe the stuff I make or listen to, I didn't consider that. 
 
** a lot of people use that terminology - - i have in the past as well. i was just trying to give a different slant on the deal because of the reasons given.  
 
I'd also like to point out that I was making a guess at the origin of the term 'out' in the above paragraph...that's I said it may be misleading...and yeah also, the like Beat slang, 'out', 'gone', whatever...freaky, extraterrestrial 
 
** cool. sorry if i gave the impression that i wasn't in some agreement there . . .  


 stig

------_=_NextPart_001_01C09D2D.8E912560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 19:27:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22770; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:25:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:25:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:14:27 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: 1U PC for Kyma (was Re: Llive llooping, Cardiff, Wales) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <07d101c09d2d$96179170$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <1.5.4.32.20010215193520.0068ddc8@subnet.virtual-pc.com> <000201c09824$9d6bb4a0$17b46fd4@y5w2s5> <010b01c0983e$55ca4ed0$080210ac@jpalmer> <000201c09a43$043d81c0$fa936fd4@y5w2s5> <023201c09acb$61ee7530$080210ac@jpalmer> <01a801c09c3d$d3f9de80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <001e01c09c49$9c6eb2e0$a30018ac@jnpr.net> <002b01c09c4a$c3071c70$a30018ac@jnpr.net> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Doh, and I forgot the more important issue: noise. > > Rackmount power supplies are issued with special 'noise inducing' fans, to > provide system and network admins with the a penile extensive 'roar' > whenever the enter their private domains. It's kind of like the fiber glass > ball bearings that are put in aftermarket car exhausts for very small cars. > > Or so it seems to me. > > bIz > hadn't thought of that. fan noise is directly related to air velocity smaller aperture = faster velocity. there may be little to fix that. of course, clubs tend to be pretty noisy, but for ambient stuff in coffee house/gallery it could be pretty annoying... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 19:37:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23083; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:35:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:35:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:32:18 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: out To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <081001c09d30$14398980$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAE88@migarexch01.maritz.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <-gLxwC.A.NoF.aAbl6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >...when people ask me > what i do i am often at a loss for words. > > > stig you must be doing something right then... i used to say "Ugandan-tree-bark-boogie" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 19:45:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23342; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:44:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:44:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4028DAE9D@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: out Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:43:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C09D31.92CB28C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09D31.92CB28C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" i'm gonna try that. you must be doing something right then... i used to say "Ugandan-tree-bark-boogie" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09D31.92CB28C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: out

i'm gonna try that.



you must be doing something right then...
i used to say "Ugandan-tree-bark-boogie"


------_=_NextPart_001_01C09D31.92CB28C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 20:02:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24060; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:00:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:00:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c09d33$f7bfd0d0$a30018ac@jnpr.net> From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <1.5.4.32.20010215193520.0068ddc8@subnet.virtual-pc.com> <000201c09824$9d6bb4a0$17b46fd4@y5w2s5> <010b01c0983e$55ca4ed0$080210ac@jpalmer> <000201c09a43$043d81c0$fa936fd4@y5w2s5> <023201c09acb$61ee7530$080210ac@jpalmer> <01a801c09c3d$d3f9de80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <001e01c09c49$9c6eb2e0$a30018ac@jnpr.net> <002b01c09c4a$c3071c70$a30018ac@jnpr.net> <07d101c09d2d$96179170$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: 1U PC for Kyma (was Re: Llive llooping, Cardiff, Wales) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:00:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > hadn't thought of that. > fan noise is directly related to air velocity > smaller aperture = faster velocity. > there may be little to fix that. > of course, clubs tend to be pretty noisy, > but for ambient stuff in coffee house/gallery it could > be pretty annoying... > Not to mention that you're going to be using this in your living room/rehearsal space too. The rackmount machine sitting at the other end of my cubicle is too loud for anything but a club - it's more than annoying; you couldn't perform. I'd listen to the machine before you buy it, or, prepare to replace the power supply. Make sure that it takes ATX style power supplies, so you can easily find a non-server style replacement. The biggest source of noise in my desktop-style pc are the cpu fans, and the disk drives. It never ends!! bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 22:20:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27495; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:18:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:18:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A95D65A.7261C7F6@altruistmusic.com> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:17:46 -0800 From: Andre Lafosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: out References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Neal Trembath wrote: > Or don't > American high schools have music piped into their bathrooms? Actually, it's more often the case that American high school music is piped in FROM the bathrooms... (Couldn't resist. As you were...) --A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 22:27:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27754; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:26:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:26:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: fnothing@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:34:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: fnothing@sirius.com (Jonathan Byerly) Subject: RE:OUT/IN Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OUT/IN/OUT, who cares, doesitmatter?! Learn your instrument and play your heart. I've been improving for twenty years. "Scenes" come and go.The edge of musical expression sometimes moves forward, othertimes sideways, the past has already been filled in. Those who take the time to ask the right questions and articulate their passion will find a unique voice. That's true of anybody who stands out in the progression. Even in "experimental" music, I feel most want to be lauded for jerking off their well-worn tics in public. Miles said "I don't pay you guys to practice on the bandstand". He wanted them to be ready/prepared to try something new in front of an audience. It is, as it should, be scary/fun. If your not scared, why should an astute audience care?? I taped over a Joe Satriani Fillmore concert recently because there was no chance on stage with him, just big shiny chops. There is a squeaky door at work that's more interesting. I believe a major reason Hendrix checked out was because he had lost touch with how to do something new, a spiritual/creative cul-de-sac. He was becoming a parody of himself. Most artists don't care, (or know), when that happens. Bla bla bla Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 22:57:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28507; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:54:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:54:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A95DEEE.F137222D@altruistmusic.com> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:54:23 -0800 From: Andre Lafosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: In/Out, Labeling, Media Intelligencia, and other things... References: <3A95D65A.7261C7F6@altruistmusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com O list, With the talk about media, inclusiveness or exclusion to or from "the music biz," labeling, et al. I have a couple of thoughts... 1) I once had a (very nice) email exchange with a critic who had (positively) reviewed my CD in a well-known, nationally-distributed magazine. The critic's email address was @starbucks.com. Not exactly a domain name that suggests a "self-appointed" critic, firmly ensconsed "within" the industry, enforcing a bastion of exclusionist, gatekeeper-mongering elitism. 2) If I'm not mistaken, Wes Montgomery worked a day job until the day he died, or at least throughout the vast majority of his "professional" existence. A great many music writers, promoters, managers, and (of course) musicians who are very much a part of "the biz" derive some or all of their income from sources other than those which are 100% based upon music. It can be an easy psychological trick for a person to feel like they're on the outside looking in if they're not paying all their bills with music, but it's simply not an accurate or realistic assessment. It's not as if you one day cross into a threshold forevermore seperating you from the mere mortals. Mr. DT/S-C sums it up nicely (as usual) when he remarks that EVERYONE who's doing their music at whatever level is, in some way or another, part of "the biz." Just one example: many (probably most) of the 120,000 + artists on mp3.com are not full-time pro musicians. But get enough of them in one place, and suddenly they're comprising one of the most visible and important indie music resources around. 3) With regards to the age-old lament about labeling or categorizing what one does, and the "evils" of putting music into specific genres... Here's a quote from Derek Sivers, who runs CD Baby (and who is himself a veteran of successful marketing and selling of indie music): ============================================================== IF YOU DON'T SAY WHAT YOU SOUND LIKE, YOU WON'T MAKE ANY FANS. A person asks you, "What kind of music do you do?" Musicians say, "All styles. Everything." That person then asks, "So who do you sound like?" Musicians say, "Nobody. We're totally unique. Like nothing you've ever heard before." What does that person do? Nothing. They might make a vague promise to check you out sometime. Then they walk on, and forget about you! Why??? You didn't arouse their curiosity! ================================== You don't need to take this as gospel, but it does raise a good point: very, very, very few people are doing things so utterly obscure and unheard-of that they have no existing points of reference whatsoever. A lot of musicians have a hard time describing what they do (myself included), but it's a very good idea to try and get over that obstacle. Why? Well, how are you going to differentiate yourself from the other 120,000 people on mp3.com? Or the other 5,000 albums at CD Baby? Or the other 200,000 CDs at a giant record store? Or the other 1,000,000 + files on Napster? Or the other hundreds of people on the Looper's Delight List of Artists? Yes, of course your music sounds different, and of course people are going to hear that once they find you. But getting those people to hear you in the first place... aye, there's the rub. Anyway... Andre LaFosse | Disruption Theory | http://www.altruistmusic.com ================================================================ "A spectacular collision of manifold musical thoughts and patterns... To call Disruption Theory a futuristic album would be an understatement." (20th Century Guitar Magazine, February 2001) "His six-stringer is pumped up with energy, creating a firestorm of pyrotechnics and burning sounds, but with a sensitivity to weirdness and experimentation. Disruption Theory reveals the difference it makes when a player knows what he is doing. Here is one that deserves the title 'unique'." (Expose Magazine, October 2000) "Fripp and Zappa, step aside." (MOJO Magazine, May 2000) ========================================================= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 23:05:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29144; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:03:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:03:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010223040247.15936.qmail@web9104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:02:47 -0800 (PST) From: John Malcolm Subject: Re: In/Out, Labeling, Media Intelligencia, and other things... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3A95DEEE.F137222D@altruistmusic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anything to say about looping? --- Andre Lafosse wrote: > O list, > > With the talk about media, inclusiveness or > exclusion to or from "the > music biz," labeling, et al. I have a couple of > thoughts... > > 1) I once had a (very nice) email exchange with a > critic who had > (positively) reviewed my CD in a well-known, > nationally-distributed > magazine. > > The critic's email address was @starbucks.com. > > Not exactly a domain name that suggests a > "self-appointed" critic, > firmly ensconsed "within" the industry, enforcing a > bastion of > exclusionist, gatekeeper-mongering elitism. > > 2) If I'm not mistaken, Wes Montgomery worked a day > job until the day he > died, or at least throughout the vast majority of > his "professional" > existence. A great many music writers, promoters, > managers, and (of > course) musicians who are very much a part of "the > biz" derive some or > all of their income from sources other than those > which are 100% based > upon music. > > It can be an easy psychological trick for a person > to feel like they're > on the outside looking in if they're not paying all > their bills with > music, but it's simply not an accurate or realistic > assessment. It's > not as if you one day cross into a threshold > forevermore seperating you > from the mere mortals. > > Mr. DT/S-C sums it up nicely (as usual) when he > remarks that EVERYONE > who's doing their music at whatever level is, in > some way or another, > part of "the biz." > > Just one example: many (probably most) of the > 120,000 + artists on > mp3.com are not full-time pro musicians. But get > enough of them in one > place, and suddenly they're comprising one of the > most visible and > important indie music resources around. > > 3) With regards to the age-old lament about labeling > or categorizing > what one does, and the "evils" of putting music into > specific genres... > > Here's a quote from Derek Sivers, who runs CD Baby > (and who is himself a > veteran of successful marketing and selling of indie > music): > > ============================================================== > IF YOU DON'T SAY WHAT YOU SOUND LIKE, YOU WON'T MAKE > ANY FANS. > > A person asks you, "What kind of music do you do?" > Musicians say, "All styles. Everything." > > That person then asks, "So who do you sound like?" > Musicians say, "Nobody. We're totally unique. Like > nothing you've ever > heard before." > > What does that person do? > Nothing. > They might make a vague promise to check you out > sometime. > Then they walk on, and forget about you! > Why??? > You didn't arouse their curiosity! > ================================== > > You don't need to take this as gospel, but it does > raise a good point: > very, very, very few people are doing things so > utterly obscure and > unheard-of that they have no existing points of > reference whatsoever. A > lot of musicians have a hard time describing what > they do (myself > included), but it's a very good idea to try and get > over that obstacle. > > Why? Well, how are you going to differentiate > yourself from the other > 120,000 people on mp3.com? Or the other 5,000 > albums at CD Baby? Or > the other 200,000 CDs at a giant record store? Or > the other 1,000,000 + > files on Napster? > > Or the other hundreds of people on the Looper's > Delight List of Artists? > > Yes, of course your music sounds different, and of > course people are > going to hear that once they find you. > > But getting those people to hear you in the first > place... aye, there's > the rub. > > Anyway... > > Andre LaFosse | Disruption Theory | > http://www.altruistmusic.com > ================================================================ > "A spectacular collision of manifold musical > thoughts and patterns... To > call Disruption Theory a futuristic album would be > an understatement." > (20th Century Guitar Magazine, February 2001) > > "His six-stringer is pumped up with energy, creating > a firestorm of > pyrotechnics and burning sounds, but with a > sensitivity to weirdness and > experimentation. Disruption Theory reveals the > difference it makes when > a player knows what he is doing. Here is one that > deserves the title > 'unique'." (Expose Magazine, October 2000) > > "Fripp and Zappa, step aside." (MOJO Magazine, May > 2000) > ========================================================= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 23:11:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29357; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:10:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:10:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c09d4e$0eb92b00$7229059a@hal> Reply-To: "Christian Leduc" From: "Christian Leduc" To: References: Subject: Re: RE:OUT/IN (OT: Satriani/Hendrix and all) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:06:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I taped > over a Joe Satriani Fillmore concert recently because there was no chance > on stage with him, just big shiny chops. There is a squeaky door at work > that's more interesting. That's why Jeff Bck will always be a favorite of mine.. he takes risks... I'm not quite interested by the big shredders like Satriani, Vai and Johnson althought they are abe to do great things I suppose... Better than me for sure, even if I tend to take risks.. :) Well, I heard a Johnson piece the other day and it was quite good... I think it was called "Manhattan".. It wasn't the big speedy things and it was well played... But why did you tape the show if you don't like his chops?!?!? Are you jealous in some way?!?! :) (just kidding) It's like Yngwie Malmsteen, I don't like his thing at all.. never dig excessive shred.. but, his playing is monstruous (in the two senses of the word maybe.. :)) Best, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 23:13:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29503; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:11:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:11:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010223041122.82804.qmail@web9107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:11:22 -0800 (PST) From: John Malcolm Subject: Lexicon Jam Man (Jam Box) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3A95DEEE.F137222D@altruistmusic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can anyone tell me of devices similar to the Lexicon Jam Box ( or is it called the Jam Man? ). I want to create layered loops, sampling my own playing in a live situation. Compactness and ease of use are the main criteria. Ability to have short loops within large loops would be great, otherwise I will need more than one unit. Is anyone in Australia (my home) reading this; are there any second hand units for sale? Good luck to you all, John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 23:14:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29590; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:12:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:12:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A95E324.867BC046@altruistmusic.com> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:12:21 -0800 From: Andre Lafosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: In/Out, Labeling, Media Intelligencia, and other things... References: <20010223040247.15936.qmail@web9104.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4IpSBC.A.IOH.1Mel6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John Malcolm wrote: > Anything to say about looping? Yes, I'd say the thread of the last four days (of which my last post was an attempted summation) does touch on numerous aspects related to looping, or loop-related music. I very much look forward to your chastizing Steuart, Torn, Stephen, and the rest of the numerous people whose posts I was following up on, as well. But hell: When's the Repeater coming out? Is the Echoplex upgrade happening? What's a good price for a used JamMan? Please take me off this list! Unsuscribe! So how would you describe your own (no-doubt) loop-infested music, John? Luv, --A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 23:24:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30129; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:22:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:22:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010223042206.17020.qmail@web9105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:22:06 -0800 (PST) From: John Malcolm Subject: Re: In/Out, Labeling, Media Intelligencia, and other things... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3A95E324.867BC046@altruistmusic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry to upset you Andre, I subscribed about 5 minutes ago, so I'm unaware of previous correspondence. The blurb in the subscription sign up page warns against straying off the subject and although I enoyed your comments, I wondered if I had subscribed to the wrong group and would have to sift through all kinds of detail to find something on the main subject. Apologies, man. Since you ask, my own stuff is mainly acoustic improvisation with various ethnic influences, but as I like to play solo, I hope to be able to lay down a rhythmic bed in front of an audience and then impro over that. Stay cool A, John --- Andre Lafosse wrote: > John Malcolm wrote: > > > Anything to say about looping? > > Yes, I'd say the thread of the last four days (of > which my last post was > an attempted summation) does touch on numerous > aspects related to > looping, or loop-related music. > > I very much look forward to your chastizing Steuart, > Torn, Stephen, and > the rest of the numerous people whose posts I was > following up on, as well. > > But hell: > > When's the Repeater coming out? Is the Echoplex > upgrade happening? > What's a good price for a used JamMan? Please take > me off this list! > Unsuscribe! > > So how would you describe your own (no-doubt) > loop-infested music, John? > > Luv, > > --A > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 22 23:33:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30441; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:32:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:32:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A95A2DA.6CC05718@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:38:07 +0000 From: steve tanner Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: In/Out, Labeling, Media Intelligencia, and other things... References: <20010223040247.15936.qmail@web9104.mail.yahoo.com> <3A95E324.867BC046@altruistmusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com personally, I don't care how "off-topic" it gets, I first came to this list cause i was interested in buying a live looper and wanted to see what folks where saying, I've stayed around lurking and occasionally commenting cause its one of the few places where I can hear/see intelligent conversation by musicians on the net, especially w/o the juvineille BS so prevelant this last topic wasn't as interesting to me personally but was interesting to see how important it was to others and fascinating to see the definitions people apply to themselves, I've been needing to list 5 or 6 terms for quite a while when describing myself and find it amusing instead of frustrating so say what ever ya want about what ever interests you just make it intelligent and try to keep as much negativity out as possible peace, ya'll Andre Lafosse wrote: > John Malcolm wrote: > > > Anything to say about looping? > > Yes, I'd say the thread of the last four days (of which my last post was > an attempted summation) does touch on numerous aspects related to > looping, or loop-related music. > > I very much look forward to your chastizing Steuart, Torn, Stephen, and > the rest of the numerous people whose posts I was following up on, as well. > > But hell: > > When's the Repeater coming out? Is the Echoplex upgrade happening? > What's a good price for a used JamMan? Please take me off this list! > Unsuscribe! > > So how would you describe your own (no-doubt) loop-infested music, John? > > Luv, > > --A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 00:08:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31823; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 00:06:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 00:06:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A95EFCC.6034DF6D@altruistmusic.com> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 21:06:21 -0800 From: Andre Lafosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: On Topic (!): JamMan-like units References: <20010223042206.17020.qmail@web9105.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8wqnmD.A.FxH.d_el6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi John, S'cool. I had a feeling you were new to the list. A quick glance through the older archives will reveal that I'm the king of mea culpa, so I understand. Based upon what you're looking for in a looper (in your last post), I would direct you to the archives on the web site, which has a lot of details and FAQs about units. Briefly, the Echoplex will let you do short loops within large loops, as will the Repeater (when it's finally available, ETA yet to be determined). I don't honestly know if the Boomerang does it, but I'm sure someone here does. All of these units are compact rack units (except the Boomerang, which is an even more compact, self-contained pedal unit). Anyway, welcome to the list. Sometimes it does get a bit off the beaten path, but it's well worth sticking with. Based on your description of what you do, you've definitely come to the right place. Best, --Andre P.S. Here's a small soundbite of rhythmic loops-within-loops on an Echoplex for your introductory perusal: http://www.altruistmusic.com/soundfiles/Theory1.mp3 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 02:14:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02409; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 02:12:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 02:12:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Delivered-To: fixup-Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@fixme User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:11:17 -0800 Subject: Gig Spam [Seattle]: Electrochakra @ Mr. Spot's Chai House 2/24/01 From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Saturday February 24th Electrochakra 9PM w/ Steve Ball and friends (Curt Golden, Bob Williams) 8PM Mr. Spot's Chai House 2214 NW Market Street Admission: Free Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Electrochakra -- MP3's and calendar of upcoming shows available at: www.mp3.com/electrochakra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 04:34:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04834; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 04:33:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 04:33:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c09d7c$54a3cb60$77926fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <1.5.4.32.20010215193520.0068ddc8@subnet.virtual-pc.com><000201c09824$9d6bb4a0$17b46fd4@y5w2s5><010b01c0983e$55ca4ed0$080210ac@jpalmer><000201c09a43$043d81c0$fa936fd4@y5w2s5><023201c09acb$61ee7530$080210ac@jpalmer><01a801c09c3d$d3f9de80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com><001e01c09c49$9c6eb2e0$a30018ac@jnpr.net><002b01c09c4a$c3071c70$a30018ac@jnpr.net> <07d101c09d2d$96179170$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: 1U PC for Kyma Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:35:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <_hsKMB.A.WLB.44il6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why not just get a secondhand Llaptop ? Advantages - Built in keyboard/mouse Screen-on-a-hinge Uninterruptable power supply Cheap - if like me you get a straight pentium. Quiet Small Light I have a sliding drawer on the bottom 1U of my 5U rack which has a couple of velcro strips on it. These are matched by a couple of strips on the base of the llaptop, (I actually remembered to put the soft ones on the llaptop -good move). When I get to the gig I open the drawer , stick the llaptop on it and I'm off. The 3U behind the fold up screen is occupied by the front of the Capybara and a Lexicon Reverb unit and I have a spirit mixer bolted along the top of the rack. I have a mains block racked up to the back of the unit too. The whole thing is manageable and not too heavy. > > > Doh, and I forgot the more important issue: noise. > > > > Rackmount power supplies are issued with special 'noise inducing' fans, to > > provide system and network admins with the a penile extensive 'roar' > > whenever the enter their private domains. It's kind of like the fiber glass > > ball bearings that are put in aftermarket car exhausts for very small cars. > > > > Or so it seems to me. > > > > bIz > > > > > hadn't thought of that. > fan noise is directly related to air velocity > smaller aperture = faster velocity. > there may be little to fix that. > of course, clubs tend to be pretty noisy, > but for ambient stuff in coffee house/gallery it could > be pretty annoying... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 09:55:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10745; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:52:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:52:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:46:30 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: 1U PC for Kyma To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <097201c09da7$692dea90$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <1.5.4.32.20010215193520.0068ddc8@subnet.virtual-pc.com> <000201c09824$9d6bb4a0$17b46fd4@y5w2s5> <010b01c0983e$55ca4ed0$080210ac@jpalmer> <000201c09a43$043d81c0$fa936fd4@y5w2s5> <023201c09acb$61ee7530$080210ac@jpalmer> <01a801c09c3d$d3f9de80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <001e01c09c49$9c6eb2e0$a30018ac@jnpr.net> <002b01c09c4a$c3071c70$a30018ac@jnpr.net> <07d101c09d2d$96179170$080210ac@jpalmer> <000201c09d7c$54a3cb60$77926fd4@y5w2s5> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Why not just get a secondhand Llaptop ? do you ever load sample loops off the laptop? is the laptop interface fast enough for that? what about direct disk access? dennis, how does your looping stuff for kyma work? i am assuming it only uses onboard ram, so the interface doesn't matter... speaking of which, when/what/where/why/who? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 10:20:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11612; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:19:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:19:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <034901c09daa$c8d0c460$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <1.5.4.32.20010215193520.0068ddc8@subnet.virtual-pc.com> <000201c09824$9d6bb4a0$17b46fd4@y5w2s5> <010b01c0983e$55ca4ed0$080210ac@jpalmer> <000201c09a43$043d81c0$fa936fd4@y5w2s5> <023201c09acb$61ee7530$080210ac@jpalmer> <01a801c09c3d$d3f9de80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <001e01c09c49$9c6eb2e0$a30018ac@jnpr.net> <002b01c09c4a$c3071c70$a30018ac@jnpr.net> <07d101c09d2d$96179170$080210ac@jpalmer> <000201c09d7c$54a3cb60$77926fd4@y5w2s5> <097201c09da7$692dea90$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Looper Construction Kit (was Re: 1U PC for Kyma) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:10:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <8fleXD.A.T1C.i9nl6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > dennis, how does your looping stuff for kyma work? > i am assuming it only uses onboard ram, so the > interface doesn't matter... > speaking of which, when/what/where/why/who? It's ready for beta testing. I have a manual, software, and examples. Unfortunately, the way Kyma currently works, I would have to distribute my source code. So I'm waiting on Symbolic Sound to complete a "source-less" method of distributing user-defined microsounds. Perhaps some additional voices would speed up the process. Their mailing address is: symsound@symbolicsound.com Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 10:39:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12013; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:38:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:38:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:30:33 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Looper Construction Kit (was Re: 1U PC for Kyma) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0b3701c09dad$9049c2b0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <1.5.4.32.20010215193520.0068ddc8@subnet.virtual-pc.com> <000201c09824$9d6bb4a0$17b46fd4@y5w2s5> <010b01c0983e$55ca4ed0$080210ac@jpalmer> <000201c09a43$043d81c0$fa936fd4@y5w2s5> <023201c09acb$61ee7530$080210ac@jpalmer> <01a801c09c3d$d3f9de80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <001e01c09c49$9c6eb2e0$a30018ac@jnpr.net> <002b01c09c4a$c3071c70$a30018ac@jnpr.net> <07d101c09d2d$96179170$080210ac@jpalmer> <000201c09d7c$54a3cb60$77926fd4@y5w2s5> <097201c09da7$692dea90$080210ac@jpalmer> <034901c09daa$c8d0c460$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is this a money making venture? it seems to me that your entire market may be the four or five (?) kyma users here on this list... are user defined microsounds interpreted? i am still crawling with the kyma, but i am a software developer (windows) and do intend to dig deep into the system... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Leas" To: Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 9:10 AM Subject: Looper Construction Kit (was Re: 1U PC for Kyma) > > dennis, how does your looping stuff for kyma work? > > i am assuming it only uses onboard ram, so the > > interface doesn't matter... > > speaking of which, when/what/where/why/who? > > It's ready for beta testing. I have a manual, software, and examples. > Unfortunately, the way Kyma currently works, I would have to distribute my > source code. So I'm waiting on Symbolic Sound to complete a "source-less" > method of distributing user-defined microsounds. > > Perhaps some additional voices would speed up the process. Their mailing > address is: > symsound@symbolicsound.com > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 11:01:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12324; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:55:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:55:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005101c09db0$751fd800$5944230a@mlameyer02> X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <1.5.4.32.20010215193520.0068ddc8@subnet.virtual-pc.com> <000201c09824$9d6bb4a0$17b46fd4@y5w2s5> <010b01c0983e$55ca4ed0$080210ac@jpalmer> <000201c09a43$043d81c0$fa936fd4@y5w2s5> <023201c09acb$61ee7530$080210ac@jpalmer> <01a801c09c3d$d3f9de80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <001e01c09c49$9c6eb2e0$a30018ac@jnpr.net> <002b01c09c4a$c3071c70$a30018ac@jnpr.net> <07d101c09d2d$96179170$080210ac@jpalmer> <000b01c09d33$f7bfd0d0$a30018ac@jnpr.net> Subject: Re: 1U PC for Kyma (was Re: Llive llooping, Cardiff, Wales) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:51:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, just get a box with 8GB of memory, no hard drives, and a non-fan cpu cooling system. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 8:00 PM Subject: Re: 1U PC for Kyma (was Re: Llive llooping, Cardiff, Wales) > > > > > > hadn't thought of that. > > fan noise is directly related to air velocity > > smaller aperture = faster velocity. > > there may be little to fix that. > > of course, clubs tend to be pretty noisy, > > but for ambient stuff in coffee house/gallery it could > > be pretty annoying... > > > > Not to mention that you're going to be using this in your living > room/rehearsal space too. The rackmount machine sitting at the other end of > my cubicle is too loud for anything but a club - it's more than annoying; > you couldn't perform. I'd listen to the machine before you buy it, or, > prepare to replace the power supply. Make sure that it takes ATX style power > supplies, so you can easily find a non-server style replacement. > > The biggest source of noise in my desktop-style pc are the cpu fans, and the > disk drives. It never ends!! > > bIz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 11:29:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13233; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:20:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:20:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010223161943.14898.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:19:43 -0800 (PST) From: keith mckenney Subject: RE:OUT/IN--can't let it die :) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-976581866-982945183=:13109" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-976581866-982945183=:13109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "Miles said "I don't pay you guys to practice on the bandstand". He wanted them to be ready/prepared to try something new in front of an audience. It is, as it should, be scary/fun. If your not scared, why should an astute audience care?? " thanks for making this point...i totally agree...i get nervous just looking at my guitar ;o) ps---does that door of yours need a backing band????? --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! --0-976581866-982945183=:13109 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

"Miles said "I don't pay you
guys to practice on the bandstand". He wanted them to be ready/prepared
to
try something new in front of an audience. It is, as it should, be
scary/fun. If your not scared, why should an astute audience care?? "

thanks for making this point...i totally agree...i get nervous just looking at my guitar ;o)

ps---does that door of yours need a backing band?????


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Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! --0-976581866-982945183=:13109-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 11:53:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13876; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:50:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:50:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <035b01c09db7$602aaf40$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <1.5.4.32.20010215193520.0068ddc8@subnet.virtual-pc.com> <000201c09824$9d6bb4a0$17b46fd4@y5w2s5> <010b01c0983e$55ca4ed0$080210ac@jpalmer> <000201c09a43$043d81c0$fa936fd4@y5w2s5> <023201c09acb$61ee7530$080210ac@jpalmer> <01a801c09c3d$d3f9de80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <001e01c09c49$9c6eb2e0$a30018ac@jnpr.net> <002b01c09c4a$c3071c70$a30018ac@jnpr.net> <07d101c09d2d$96179170$080210ac@jpalmer> <000201c09d7c$54a3cb60$77926fd4@y5w2s5> <097201c09da7$692dea90$080210ac@jpalmer> <034901c09daa$c8d0c460$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <0b3701c09dad$9049c2b0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: Looper Construction Kit (was Re: 1U PC for Kyma) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:40:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > is this a money making venture? > it seems to me that your entire market may be the four > or five (?) kyma users here on this list... I thought I'd give it a try. Mostly to finance buying more Kyma parts/accessories and encourage more developement. It has taken me about 9 months of work to write this stuff so it has been quite an effort. Some of the Sounds are handy for non-loopists and, if I make it cheap enough, maybe my market will be bigger that you five Kyma users. :) (Four, if I don't count myself.... :D ) > are user defined microsounds interpreted? > i am still crawling with the kyma, but i am a software > developer (windows) and do intend to dig deep into > the system... Microsounds are little chunks of DSP assembly code. Kyma provides a great framework for stitching these together. My Sounds look and behave just like the standard Kyma Sounds. So far I've got about 20 new Sounds and I'll probably have at least 5 more. This doesn't count my examples which are built from these Sounds. I think it would be great to have more Kyma developers! I encourage you to dig into this! If you don't know it already, I'd read up on Smalltalk as a good beginning. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 11:59:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14083; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:57:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:57:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:56:32 -0500 Subject: Re: OUT/IN From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 2/22/01 10:34 PM, Jonathan Byerly at fnothing@sirius.com wrote: >There is a squeaky door at work > that's more interesting. So be sure to check out Pierre Henry's "Variations for a Door and a Sigh" from 1963. My copy is on the French Harmonia Mundi label. David Lee Myers pulsewidth.com ----------------------------------------------------- "Ourobouros" CD of new Feedback Music available now on Pulsewidth! In NYC at Downtown Music, Kim's Mondo, and Other Music, and through Forced Exposure, Anomalous, Wayside, Electronic Music Foundation, Recommended, and Staalplaat. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 12:35:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15248; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:32:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:32:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:36:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: Looper Construction Kit (was Re: 1U PC for Kyma) Cc: dennis@mdbs.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> is this a money making venture? >> it seems to me that your entire market may be the four >> or five (?) kyma users here on this list... > >I thought I'd give it a try. Mostly to finance buying more Kyma >parts/accessories and encourage more developement. It has taken me about 9 >months of work to write this stuff so it has been quite an effort. Some of >the Sounds are handy for non-loopists and, if I make it cheap enough, maybe >my market will be bigger that you five Kyma users. :) (Four, if I don't >count myself.... :D ) > Hey Dennis- Would it be possible to post some descriptions of what your new looping algorythms do? I'm sure that both Kyma users (howevere many there are) and non-Kyma users alike would be interested in seeing what you've come up with. Best- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 13:01:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16083; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:59:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:59:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:57:59 EST Subject: Re: JamMan AABA To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: <4az2BB.A.w0D.XTql6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Know how you feel, whatever it is you want the JamMans against it. guess you'll have to go into instant mute straight after recording the B part and cover the gap by playing A ........do share any other solutions Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 13:35:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16819; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:31:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:31:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010223183044.29084.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:30:44 -0800 (PST) From: keith mckenney Subject: look: it's every on-topic! 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Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! --0-1299173915-982953044=:28881-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 13:42:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17015; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:36:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:36:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c09dc7$af17d000$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: <20010223183044.29084.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: it's every on-topic! Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:37:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C09D84.99A75C60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C09D84.99A75C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I strongly suggest searching the archives on Looper's Delight- mas = grande info there-=20 c ----- Original Message -----=20 From: keith mckenney=20 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'=20 Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 10:30 AM Subject: look: it's every on-topic! I've read some mention of Line 5 delay mod (DL4?)---interested in = hearing more opinions on this magic box. I don't come into 2-300 bucks = of disposal often, so I'd like to make an informed decision. Please = queue me in on pros & cons, etc. I'm not looking for anything too = fancy...just somethin that loops & allows you to riff over the = loop...tap features...basic stuff I guess. How does it compare to other = boxes in the same price range? -thanks- -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C09D84.99A75C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Yahoo!=20 Auctions - Buy the things you want at great=20 prices! ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C09D84.99A75C60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 13:49:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17258; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:46:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:46:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c09dc8$e4ec8620$330c78d8@prelayomb> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: Unwieldy JamMan AABA Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:46:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I struggled with making the Jamman do what I wanted for a few years . . .then I sold it on Ebay and bought an echoplex. Now it's much easier to create structures the way I want. Of course, when I saw Steve Lawson at the Bass Exchange, he didn't have any problems creating his music magic with just a Jamman and a DL-4--granted, he's not playing pop songs, but he does play what I would consider to be "songs" (well, OK, at least most of the time), in that there are melodies and chord changes--still, I think he works within the limitations of the unit, rather than trying to make it do what it can't. The Jammer gave me headaches trying to create "My Cherie Amour" or whatever, so I was incredibly grateful to find that the Echoplex was so flexible in terms of multiplying, inserting, etc. Still, looping seems to have a built in limitation in that you can only create and repeat. And with sonically augmented performances being so ubiquitous, I gotta think that having an A section up yer sleeve on the Repeater Smart Media card is gonna be tough to resist. Unless maybe the EDP upgrade is going to include storage capabilities? I can dream, can't I . . . Hey, we're talking gear again! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 15:46:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20400; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:42:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:42:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:39:50 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Looper Construction Kit (was Re: 1U PC for Kyma) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0b7701c09dd8$c5004580$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <1.5.4.32.20010215193520.0068ddc8@subnet.virtual-pc.com> <000201c09824$9d6bb4a0$17b46fd4@y5w2s5> <010b01c0983e$55ca4ed0$080210ac@jpalmer> <000201c09a43$043d81c0$fa936fd4@y5w2s5> <023201c09acb$61ee7530$080210ac@jpalmer> <01a801c09c3d$d3f9de80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <001e01c09c49$9c6eb2e0$a30018ac@jnpr.net> <002b01c09c4a$c3071c70$a30018ac@jnpr.net> <07d101c09d2d$96179170$080210ac@jpalmer> <000201c09d7c$54a3cb60$77926fd4@y5w2s5> <097201c09da7$692dea90$080210ac@jpalmer> <034901c09daa$c8d0c460$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <0b3701c09dad$9049c2b0$080210ac@jpalmer> <035b01c09db7$602aaf40$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > is this a money making venture? > > it seems to me that your entire market may be the four > > or five (?) kyma users here on this list... > > I thought I'd give it a try. Mostly to finance buying more Kyma > parts/accessories and encourage more developement. It has taken me about 9 > months of work to write this stuff so it has been quite an effort. Some of > the Sounds are handy for non-loopists and, if I make it cheap enough, maybe > my market will be bigger that you five Kyma users. :) (Four, if I don't > count myself.... :D ) > hey, i understand wanting to protect your work, and i would have no qualms about throwing in some cash... > > are user defined microsounds interpreted? > > i am still crawling with the kyma, but i am a software > > developer (windows) and do intend to dig deep into > > the system... > > Microsounds are little chunks of DSP assembly code. Kyma provides a great > framework for stitching these together. My Sounds look and behave just like > the standard Kyma Sounds. So far I've got about 20 new Sounds and I'll > probably have at least 5 more. This doesn't count my examples which are > built from these Sounds. i gather you can't just assemble them and distribute the objects? > I think it would be great to have more Kyma developers! I encourage you to > dig into this! If you don't know it already, I'd read up on Smalltalk as a > good beginning. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > never learned smalltalk. i need to get through the basic manuals first. (no small step) my work schedule has been murder lately it's hard to go through technical manuals when your brain has been mashed out all day. soon there will be fullness... can't wait to get some giant loop clouds going... multidimensional loop-scapes? whatever and ever... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 19:07:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26385; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 19:04:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 19:04:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.28] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: look: it's every on-topic! Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 00:03:08 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2001 00:03:08.0695 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B64D270:01C09DF5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well...IMO nothing really compares to it in that price range. Much better quality than the Akai Headrush. It has better sound quality than the JamMan, and allows to do reverse and half speed/double speed loops. Sure, it is ONLY 14 sec. of loop time (28 sec in half speed/bandwidth mode) but I have found that to be plenty. No, it does not have MIDI...so syncing is dicy....but fun ( I run mine with a JamMan). In addition to the looping features you also get 15 very cool vintage delay models (from the old tube echoplex to 24 bit DDLs). I love mine and use it constantly. A lot of band for the buck, so to speak. Throw down the extra $$ for the expression pedal and power supply, tho. The thing is very user friendly.....not a lot of bells and whistles ( yes the EDP or Repeater will do a lot more....so will 'rang I suppose) but for the price 'tis tres cool. Max >From: keith mckenney >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" > >Subject: look: it's every on-topic! >Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:30:44 -0800 (PST) > > >I've read some mention of Line 5 delay mod (DL4?)---interested in hearing >more opinions on this magic box. I don't come into 2-300 bucks of disposal >often, so I'd like to make an informed decision. Please queue me in on pros >& cons, etc. I'm not looking for anything too fancy...just somethin that >loops & allows you to riff over the loop...tap features...basic stuff I >guess. How does it compare to other boxes in the same price range? > -thanks- > > > >--------------------------------- >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 19:14:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26661; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 19:13:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 19:13:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:20:26 -0800 Subject: clock problems & questions: JamMan, MPX-1, MOTU MIDI Express XT From: Ben Furstenberg To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Loopers, 1.) Question about MIDI on the JamMan: Is there any point to hooking up the MIDI out from the JamMan to my MIDI interface, if my main use will be sending midi clock to it from a sequencer? The manual is very superficial and seems to indicate the MIDI out is pretty much to send clock from the JamMan (as the master) to a sequencer or drum machine slaving to it, or sending MIDI commands through to daisy chained devices. In other words, is there any use to connecting MIDI In *and* Out, in a "star" MIDI configuration? 2.) I'm having MIDI clock timing problems. My set-up includes a Mac Beige G3 and MOTU MIDI Express XT interface. Neither the JamMan nor a Lexicon MPX-1 are locking accurately when I send MIDI clock to them from Cubase VST/24 4.1 r2 or Protools LE 5.0.1. For example, if I send clock at 120 bpm, the MPX-1 seems to receive the clock but is way off, approximately twice the tempo, but not even precisely. Similarly the JamMan seems to be getting clock, but not in synch. Because the problem happens with both Cubase and Protools, I wonder if it might be the interface. Anyone had this issue with the Express XT? thanks for any suggestions, Ben SF CA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 20:02:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27924; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:00:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:00:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [217.52.7.136] From: "Joe Dallarda" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Laptop Soundcards Query for loopbased music Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 00:59:36 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2001 00:59:37.0128 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F0EAA80:01C09DFD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi to all- I've been lurking around for quite a while so I might be a little abashed for my first (i think) post to be pretty OT. That said, following the potential possibilities of PC's/and or laptops for live/studio loop or non-loop based music thread, can anyone reccomend a good laptop soundcard? I've been processing my loops (dissonant/abstract and often "ethnic" oriented- I happen to be living in Cairo, Egypt at the moment) and such with Cubase, Wavelab, AcidPro, a Kaoss Pad and a DL 4 (glad I'll have till I get back to the states to start really lusting after the enigmatic repeater or EDP), along with the sounds of Cairo with a portable MD recorder and a set of binaural mics, on a Toshiba laptop but the built-in windows soundcard thing gives me a kind of "me and me loops riding on a donkey cart as a superjet flys overhead" kind of feeling you know? ;) Also, has anyone one on list had a lot of experience incorporating a laptop into live shows? I've never actually attempted to do this before. I've seen the likes of Jim O'Rourke and Richard D. James sitting or laying down by the dancing bears, respectively, with trusty laptops in hand, but was kind of hoping for some (at least a little) more detailed kind of info, on the logistics and the experience in general, if possible. Hmm, its not so bad out of the lurk-cave. At the risk of sounding like I'm giving a "shout-out" or something, this is a wonderfully intelligent, all things "sophmoria" absent, eclectic list. Ok- Thanks, j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 20:12:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28219; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:10:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:10:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: CORROSIVE@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:09:03 EST Subject: Vortex expression pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 124 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com any advice on expression pedals for a Vortex other than the Boss EV-5? I heard that Proel makes a pedal that's essentially the same- is this true? also, any sites for Vortex patches other than LD? thanks!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 20:18:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28408; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:16:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:16:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.54] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: that AABA thing; inherent probs in looping Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 01:15:46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2001 01:15:47.0140 (UTC) FILETIME=[513AC040:01C09DFF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ....There have been a couple of posts recently I have put off adding to, but would now like to address. Someone wrote of a problem trying to their JamMan to do an AABA type song form with multiple loops. Remember that the JamBoy's max memory (with upgrade) is 32 sec. and that is for all your loops (not overdubs, but for each discrete loop...bank 1, bank 2 etc.), and that your second loop will be the same length as loop #1. If you are trying to do something with a "song" form I have found it possible to record loop 1 and then using MIDI program change commands punch in command #13 (cue loop 2), this allows you to "arm" (cue) loop 2 while loop 1 plays. When loop 1 reaches its start/stop point loop #2 will kick in...blank, and you are in record mode so start doing the 2nd loop. If there is enough memory left, then you can repeat this for a third loop. You can then use commands #12 (cue loop 1) and #13 (cue loop 2) while the other of the loops are playing so JamMan will toggle between those two song sections. Of course, getting the timing down for both loops is the problem. It REALLY helps if you are using a drum machine as the master midi clock, and that allows your tap in/outs to be (fairly) seamless. On that same subject: When I first started looping (with the JamMan BTW), I felt compelled and drawn to the "one man band" kinda concept. Approaching looping from the point being a solo bassist, that aspect ("sack yer band") seemed the most approachable. AH...then I discovered the inherent problems in looping. A looper really is not a "band in a box", nor is it a sequencer. And setting up verse/chorus type structures to "solo" over, while being a great deal of fun, left me a bit artistically empty. Even using drum machines with looping did not fullfull the aesthetic. I also found that drum machines and "normal" song structures, alienated a great deal of my potential audience...we've discussed that in another thread. I discovered that the looper is much more like an instrument in its own right...albeit one that requires an outside sound source. This revelation allowed me embrace the inherent problems in using loops. Yes there are some limitations. Doing "song" type compositions is very demanding. Loop lengths (esp. on my JamMan and DL4) are limited. At first I felt this to be limiting, but I find those same "limitations" inspiring and welcomed. Having unlimited options, in my opinion, is not the answer (although all that memory in the EDP and the Repeater is intriguing). But rather I would like to make the most with a limited set of options; a finite universe which I know well. If I want to do "song" type compositions, with multiple parts and changes, or complex arrangemnets, I'll work with a band. In that sense I can fullfill the need for song forms and still do loops for texture. For looping shows I now mainly play my acoustic bass guitar, provide my own percusion loops by preparing or "playing" with the many percussive qualities of that instrument, and use a JamMAn and DL4 un-synced! By having a limited set of options in this way I must use my own talents and knowledge to explore the depths of harmony and rhythm and melody to create finished music. Sure muted slaps and taps do not sound like a drum machine's snare or conga samples....but in way the work out better. I can alter a melody over a repeated/looped chordal part and that changes the "quality" of the harmony in the loop (something we bass players have known about for a long time...) Using a looper AS an instrument allows me to conceive and execute compositional and textural structures which are new and (sometimes) wild and working within the technical limitations of the machine allows me to explore further the depths of music. Sometimes limitaions can be good things...... Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 20:53:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28976; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:50:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:50:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:50:17 -0500 From: Floyd Miller Message-Id: <200102240150.UAA21610@portal.studiodust.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex expression pedals Resent-Message-ID: <8lMk6B.A.hEH.aNxl6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a moogerfooger EP-1 pedal works just fine and is relatively inexpensive. I just got one for my Vortex. http://www.bigbriar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 21:56:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30326; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:55:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:55:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:46:17 -0500 (EST) From: Neal Trembath X-Sender: ntrembat@gecko To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT out, in Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I meant AS, not SG; absolutely no offense meant. (Anyhow, anyone who stoops so low as to hear what I have to say will likely get an earful of dirt.) It does bring to bear/bare the notion of creative error though through misunderstanding. Years ago, when I worked with Kim at Gibson, the engineers used to bring me things to beta because I was the office lackey, not an engineer: because I didn't know how things were supposed to work, I was good at breaking them. I am curious about how loopers feel about looping. Is the occasional creative error is a sort of break in an image consciousness, a break through to something that was already there, like the chrysalis cracking open for a butterfly, a rupture of expectations in the realizing of what was alrady there and would inevitably appear, i.e., the true song, or a random occurrence that, through sheer attraction to its unexpectedness, takes over the song. Any apparent coincidence between the preceeding paragraph and the original Echoplex manual is purely apparitional coincidence. ;) N From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 22:06:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30934; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:05:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:05:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cave@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:04:24 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Live Streaming Today from Kobe! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, This is our Internet Live Streaming gig info. 24th sat Feb 2001 at ZINK from Kobe,Japan 19:00-23:00 (Japanese time) 10:00-14:00 (GMT) Details: http://ds.kobedenshi.ac.jp/activity/zink/live.html Please click "click here" for enjoy our live performance at 24th Feb. Also direct connect by Real Player: http://ds.kobedenshi.ac.jp/activity/zink/zink.ram Also our last performance is here. http://www.cavestudio.org/~kawasaki_kun/2001/csb2/ Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 22:08:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31025; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:06:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:06:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:58:10 -0500 (EST) From: Neal Trembath X-Sender: ntrembat@gecko To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE:OUT/IN Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In the spirit of filling things in (no gagging jokes, please), an SF public television series said Hendrix was searching for something when he died. >> go.The edge of musical expression sometimes moves forward, othertimes sideways, the past has already been filled in. Those who take the time to << >> I believe a major reason Hendrix checked out was because he had lost touch with how to do something new, a spiritual/creative cul-de-sac. He was becoming a parody of himself. << From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 22:12:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31157; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:10:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:10:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:02:13 -0500 (EST) From: Neal Trembath X-Sender: ntrembat@gecko To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: apolojeez In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, i know i can't spell. sorry. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 23 23:49:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00818; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:47:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:47:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01c09e1c$f5e6f240$fc518218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: Vortex expression pedals Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:47:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here ya go- the official and long standing Vortex Database hosted by our own Andy Butler: http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 5:09 PM Subject: Vortex expression pedals > any advice on expression pedals for a Vortex other than the Boss EV-5? I > heard that Proel makes a pedal that's essentially the same- is this true? > also, any sites for Vortex patches other than LD? thanks!!! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 03:04:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05816; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 03:02:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 03:02:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c09e38$cb90de40$d0936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <1.5.4.32.20010215193520.0068ddc8@subnet.virtual-pc.com><000201c09824$9d6bb4a0$17b46fd4@y5w2s5><010b01c0983e$55ca4ed0$080210ac@jpalmer><000201c09a43$043d81c0$fa936fd4@y5w2s5><023201c09acb$61ee7530$080210ac@jpalmer><01a801c09c3d$d3f9de80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com><001e01c09c49$9c6eb2e0$a30018ac@jnpr.net><002b01c09c4a$c3071c70$a30018ac@jnpr.net><07d101c09d2d$96179170$080210ac@jpalmer><000201c09d7c$54a3cb60$77926fd4@y5w2s5> <097201c09da7$692dea90$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: 1U PC for Kyma Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 19:11:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, Sorry - I don't use samples - wasn't thinking. That's me all over self self self : ) Gareth > > Why not just get a secondhand Llaptop ? > > do you ever load sample loops off the laptop? > is the laptop interface fast enough for that? > what about direct disk access? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 03:44:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06291; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 03:42:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 03:42:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c09e3e$7a2ffc60$d0936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <003f01c09e1c$f5e6f240$fc518218@we.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: rolls midi pedals Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 08:47:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Anyone on this list using a rolls midi wizard ? I understand that you can plug up to 8 expression pedals up to it - is this true ? What I want is to be able to control up to 4 loops, triggering them with switches and controlling the feedback with expression pedals. I keep running out of switches and pedals. Can anyone advise? - can't find anything on the net. Hwyl, gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 04:56:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07607; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 04:54:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 04:54:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200102240954.BAA20488@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 01:55:24 -0700 Subject: Re: OUT/IN To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com god i just cant let that statement go by w/out comment yes "you believe..." hendrix, to me and many others was always moving ahead in his musical path-any number of posthumous releases show this in many ways and i dont need to go into any of them here! in any creative endeavor there will be setbacks,experiments,false moves and totally foolhardy footsteps all as part of the search for creative expression, plus those were crazy times! it is a dark,lonely road no matter what..and the guy was still a young cat ""(?)someone coined that phrase. we lost a *supreme* musician the day that music died... looping content: i have a tape of hendrix where he has on a pre-recorded tape a four-bar electric guitar loop that keeps-guess what- *repeating*(i dont know what technique was used in '66-'70) and he plays live guitar overtop of it and its very 'loopadelic' seeya,stanner ---------- >From: Neal Trembath >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE:OUT/IN >Date: Fri, Feb 23, 2001, 7:58 PM >I believe a major reason Hendrix checked out was because he had >lost touch with how to do something new, a spiritual/creative cul-de-sac. >He was becoming a parody of himself. ><< > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 05:07:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08160; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 05:05:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 05:05:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A97871F.31AF94AF@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 05:04:15 -0500 From: Jeff Duke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Streaming Today from Kobe! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i,m listening now, very kewl. jeff Sunao Inami wrote: > Hello, > > This is our Internet Live Streaming gig info. > 24th sat Feb 2001 > at ZINK from Kobe,Japan > > 19:00-23:00 (Japanese time) > 10:00-14:00 (GMT) > > Details: > http://ds.kobedenshi.ac.jp/activity/zink/live.html > Please click "click here" for enjoy our live performance at 24th Feb. > > Also direct connect by Real Player: > http://ds.kobedenshi.ac.jp/activity/zink/zink.ram > > Also our last performance is here. > http://www.cavestudio.org/~kawasaki_kun/2001/csb2/ > > Regards > > Sunao Inami > http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 05:28:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08408; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 05:26:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 05:26:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c09e4c$085587a0$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" From: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" To: steve tanner , Loopers-Delight References: <3A95A2DA.6CC05718@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: In/Out, Labeling, Media Intelligencia, and other things... Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 10:24:55 -0000 Organization: University of Surrey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > this last topic wasn't as interesting to me personally but was interestingto > see how important it was to others and fascinating to see the definitions > people apply to themselves, I've been needing to list 5 or 6 terms for quite a > while when describing myself and find it amusing instead of frustrating I've been dipping in and out of this thread, and can I (on the assumption no-one else did) ask - is this quest to define what we (well, a lot of us) seem to be looking for - a way of describing the music we make - important to us for our own self-identity, or merely as a way of marketing what we do to others? I've always liked the description "soundtracks to films that were never made", but it always sounds pretentiouys when I use it. Mike On a peripherally (but VITALLY L-D related) note, does anyone know how to stop MS Outlook sending the LD digest as a small mail with every post added as an attachment??? this has been driving me nuts for a year... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 07:47:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10278; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 07:45:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 07:45:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c09e5f$a445e660$067d7d7d@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: RE:OUT/IN Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:45:16 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Neal Trembath" put forth: > I believe a major reason Hendrix checked out was because he had > lost touch with how to do something new, a spiritual/creative cul-de-sac. > He was becoming a parody of himself. I've understood for a while that there were a number of factors involved in his death: First off, Hendrix had gotten into a rut (from an outsider's standpoint) that perhaps many of us have discovered - the ability to take more of a drug than anyone else as an illusion of achievement or surpassment of others. People were just discovering the aspects of getting "altered" on a recreational level in numbers and ways never seen before; and in this regard, all concerned confirmed to the effect that Jimi always took more than anyone in the vicinity. This is perhaps a kind of way for someone who's insecure to achieve in a way that others cannot. I find it sad that this aspect of recreational drug use has never been really explored or examined, but then USGovCo has never been interested in doing so with anything it wants to discourage, in the false belief that merely banning it should be sufficient. Second, Jimi had just recently, I believe, been involved in the fracas otherwise known as the Isle of Wight Festival. All concerned who performed there have regarded this as a truly upsetting experience - folks at the front of the crowd disrupting performances by shouting at them about how they were all money-grubbing elitists, that they weren't real artists, etc. ad nauseam. Combine this with some aspects of post-Woodstock thinking - where it would have been quite natural to think of Woodstock (while being there) as the apex of the process - and it could quite reasonably seem like it was all not only downhill from there, but over with, period. Third, Jimi had been slogging it out on the Chitlin Circuit for an awful long time, and it was only in a short period that he attained such notoriety, before his death. The US was still in a period where black people were openly treated badly by a broad range of non-black society. Jimi had gone through all this and yet was still continuing to pave roads for others to follow, which was one thing I was considering as to how his death wasn't a suicide. He was still being pimped by the record company, by the promoters, you name it; political groups like the Black Panthers were on his case because he refused to do political spokesperson stuff; and there was an entourage of hangers-on sucking on him everywhere he went. Yet while alive he was only truly respected by musicians, as far as he was concerned, with everyone else as either a listener or some kind of vampire. Perhaps this also made it easier for him to just let go, when the moment came, instead of getting up and going for help. Fourth and lastly, his girlfriend at the time went out for cigarettes. While she was gone, he choked to death on his own vomit. Perhaps if she hadn't gone out, if she'd been there to help him turn over and expell it all, we wouldn't consider Hendrix at being at the apex of his career just then. While a despicable PBS documentary lined up star after star to deplore his use of drugs, and how they caused his passing - as if this was the only element, that he took drugs - it's undeniable that there were situations waiting for him back in the States that one can only moan to hear about, that never happened. I have to look at this last one as yet another cigarette-related situation that unfortunately had a hand in Jimi's death. I wonder, though, what ever happened to HER? So I don't think it was Jimi's time to check out. I think of it as a combination of effects that took from us an innovator supreme, and not any single aspect at all. I think Jimi might have gotten into electric Jazz (oh oh, that word!) - I remember hearing rumors about him coming back to NYC to play with Miles Davis et al. Most of all I think of him as the ultimate victim of the music business' inappropriate (at best) behavior towards the artists that enable them to make too much money - and a lesson for us all as creative people. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery.html - Online Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 08:28:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11201; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 08:26:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 08:26:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c09e63$a57da640$ab0c1a3f@oemcomputer> From: "become_1" To: References: <003f01c09e1c$f5e6f240$fc518218@we.mediaone.net> <000b01c09e3e$7a2ffc60$d0936fd4@y5w2s5> Subject: Re: rolls midi pedals Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 08:13:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Also called the rfx midi wizard; I just ordered one (from alto music) for just those purposes. There's info at the rolls / rfx website: www.rolls.com The roland fc200 has a builtin expr pedal, plus 6 inputs, but it's a lot more expensive. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 10:37:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13270; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 10:35:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 10:35:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c09e77$1a12a420$23ae5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #205 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 10:32:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #205 February 22, 2001. RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Kubusschnitt, a band whose four members are each from a different European country. The feature CD at Midnight was a special pre-release CD-R of "The Singularity" to be releassed on the Neu Harmony label in April at the Alfa Centauri electronic music festival. I also played the music of Kit Watkins who will perform at the next Gathering. Kubusschnitt http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2001/focus01.html#feb Alfa Centauri http://www.alfacentauri.nl/ The Gathering http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Ben Cox Fluid Multi Threaded (mp3.com) Radio Massacre Int'l. Under the Dish Knutsford in May (Centaur) Radio Massacre Int'l. Frozen North Part 2 Knutsford in May (Centaur) Radio Massacre Int'l. Ha'penny Bridge Knutsford in May (Centaur) Kit Watkins Tone 6 Thought Tones Vol. 2 (mp3.com) Something Completely 1 Megacatz Promotion Disc 2 (none) Different P.Namlook & G.Jenssen Sky Lounger The Fires of Ork II (FAX) 12:00 am Kubusschnitt Singularity The Singularity (Neu Harmony) Kubusschnitt Bicubic The Singularity (Neu Harmony) Kubusschnitt Three Oaks The Singularity (Neu Harmony) Kubusschnitt Square The Singularity (Neu Harmony) Kubusschnitt Elemental The Singularity (Neu Harmony) Kubusschnitt Gate The Singularity (Neu Harmony) Kubusschnitt Samurai The Singularity (Neu Harmony) Kubusschnitt Achtung The Singularity (Neu Harmony) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Dr. Robert Scott Thompson, a professor of music at a major university. Next week's feature CD at midnight will be "Blue Day" on the Aucourant Records label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Radio Station Home Page: http://wdiyfm.org Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 11:26:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14414; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:25:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:25:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:24:05 EST Subject: Re: OUT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 114 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ... huh... I always thought "out" was in reference to going "out" for a smoke... ... jeepers! lighten up; everbody! RA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 11:31:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14526; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:29:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:29:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:28:35 EST Subject: Re: OT: Laptop Soundcards Query for loopbased music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 114 Resent-Message-ID: <0ZN1VC.A.ziD.jF-l6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey all; currently at work preparing "support loops" for a live presentation; using ACID w/laptop pumped through a mixer channel on my guitar rig. will let you know how it works out. RA > Also, has anyone one on list had a lot of experience incorporating a laptop > into live shows? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 11:58:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15117; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:56:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:56:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A9810E3.F79FB5DC@home.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:52:03 -0800 From: Will Brake Organization: Soul Fruit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex expression pedals References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------45567EC87DD6B4CA8F31B430" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------45567EC87DD6B4CA8F31B430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, Soul Fruit carries a modified Kenton control pedal that works great. Check us out at: http://www.soul-fruit.com I have 10 in stock at the moment. The sell for $35 plus shipping. Email me directly for any questions you might have. Be Well Will Brake Soul Fruit CORROSIVE@aol.com wrote: > > any advice on expression pedals for a Vortex other than the Boss EV-5? I > heard that Proel makes a pedal that's essentially the same- is this true? > also, any sites for Vortex patches other than LD? thanks!!! --------------45567EC87DD6B4CA8F31B430 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="wbrake.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Will Brake Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="wbrake.vcf" begin:vcard n:Brake;Will tel;work:248-583-1856 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http//www.soul-fruit.com org:Soul Fruit adr:;;2900 Rochester Road;Royal Oak;Michigan;48073;USA version:2.1 email;internet:wbrake@home.com title:Owner fn:Will Brake end:vcard --------------45567EC87DD6B4CA8F31B430-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 12:49:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16446; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:48:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:48:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:47:07 EST Subject: Re: In/Out, Labeling, Media Intelligencia, and other things... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d7.2c84032.27c94d9b_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d7.2c84032.27c94d9b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/24/01 5:26:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, M.Hughes@surrey.ac.uk writes: > is this quest to define what we (well, a lot of us) > seem to be looking for - a way of describing the music we make - important > to us for our own self-identity, or merely as a way of marketing what we do > to others? > mike.....self-identity, i dont know about, the music sort of speaks to that issue.....as a marketing tool is where my interest lies.....the most comments i get on my stuff is as you said, a form of soundtrack.....ive been callin my stuff "simple music" for a good while, that sums it up for me but leaves the other a bit confused.....right now this is a very real issue to me in that i would love to start playing "out" (good GOD!).....and i will have to talk about my music in terms that will make it sound inviting, and i have no idea as to how to do this.....:).....my music is "sonic wallpaper"-it wont make you nervous all the time-you can talk and carry on and i will be a background source of rythem and at times melody-if ya want to listen ya can and you will be not only entertained but amazed-its a boy and his boxes-i love sound and i love to mess with it-i play jazz-folk-rock-ethnic-hip-hop-records-samples-i am a looper-yes you must pay me-everything is heavy and hard to carry-HERE IS A CD OF MY MUSIC, is this the ticket?.....i have really enjoyed this thread and i find it very in.....michael --part1_d7.2c84032.27c94d9b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/24/01 5:26:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,
M.Hughes@surrey.ac.uk writes:


is this quest to define what we (well, a lot of us)
seem to be looking for - a way of describing the music we make - important
to us for our own self-identity, or merely as a way of marketing what we do
to others?


mike.....self-identity, i dont know about, the music sort of speaks to that
issue.....as a marketing tool is where my interest lies.....the most comments
i get on my stuff is as you said, a form of soundtrack.....ive been callin my
stuff "simple music" for a good while, that sums it up for me but leaves the
other a bit confused.....right now this is a very real issue to me in that i
would love to start playing "out" (good GOD!).....and i will have to talk
about my music in terms that will make it sound inviting, and i have no idea
as to how to do this.....:).....my music is "sonic wallpaper"-it wont make
you nervous all the time-you can talk and carry on and i will be a background
source of rythem and at times melody-if ya want to listen ya can and you will
be not only entertained but amazed-its a boy and his boxes-i love sound and i
love to mess with it-i play jazz-folk-rock-ethnic-hip-hop-records-samples-i
am a looper-yes you must pay me-everything is heavy and hard to carry-HERE IS
A CD OF MY MUSIC, is this the ticket?.....i have really enjoyed this thread
and i find it very in.....michael --part1_d7.2c84032.27c94d9b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 13:37:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17598; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:35:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:35:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Message-ID: <10.935c22d.27c9588f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:33:51 EST Subject: Re: OUT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 129 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com God Almighty! Enough with the 'Out' Messages already. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 13:38:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17629; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:36:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:36:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c09e90$960baa40$067d7d7d@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: OUT Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:35:37 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <_PbnvC.A.TTE.67_l6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alas, even *that* ain't happening round these parts - Arrgh! :) From: To: Sent: 24 February 2001 16:24 PM Subject: Re: OUT > ... huh... > I always thought "out" was in reference to going "out" for a smoke... > > ... jeepers! > lighten up; everbody! > RA > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 14:00:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18452; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:58:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:58:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:15:04 -0700 To: From: madmaxxx@mongoose.slip.net (Ian Reid Maxwell) Subject: rolls midi pedals Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I,ve been using one for a couple of years to control the parameters on my nord lead synth. It works great. I have only one wish. That it sent midi on/off messages so I could control my EDP. But for the money (I got mine for $125 new) there is nothing out there that comes close. They're made well and fairly compact. One word of warning. Make sure you use the right expression pedals with it. The pot has to be 100k or so. Anything less and the pedal will not tweak the parameter it's full range. I had 8 Ensonique pedals I got for cheap but ended up having to replace all the resistors with 100k ones. Not that difficult but it was still a pain. Obviously the rolls pedal works with it I picked up 8 a while back when guitar center was blowing them out for twenty five a piece. But those are not necessarily the best either. At this point I use a combination of both. In short just try different pedals before you plunk down a bunch of money for 8. For what you want to use it for though, probably any pedal will work. Reid From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 15:27:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21030; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:26:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:26:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:24:40 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: 1U PC for Kyma To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0bf301c09e9f$d0df2ed0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <1.5.4.32.20010215193520.0068ddc8@subnet.virtual-pc.com> <000201c09824$9d6bb4a0$17b46fd4@y5w2s5> <010b01c0983e$55ca4ed0$080210ac@jpalmer> <000201c09a43$043d81c0$fa936fd4@y5w2s5> <023201c09acb$61ee7530$080210ac@jpalmer> <01a801c09c3d$d3f9de80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <001e01c09c49$9c6eb2e0$a30018ac@jnpr.net> <002b01c09c4a$c3071c70$a30018ac@jnpr.net> <07d101c09d2d$96179170$080210ac@jpalmer> <000201c09d7c$54a3cb60$77926fd4@y5w2s5> <097201c09da7$692dea90$080210ac@jpalmer> <000201c09e38$cb90de40$d0936fd4@y5w2s5> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i wasn't making a point, there just asking. i am considering the laptop route as well as the rack mount pc route... so are you looping with the kyma? or just effects? synthesis? chronosynclastic infundibulum? > Ah, > Sorry - I don't use samples - wasn't thinking. That's me all over self self > self : ) > > Gareth > > > > Why not just get a secondhand Llaptop ? > > > > do you ever load sample loops off the laptop? > > is the laptop interface fast enough for that? > > what about direct disk access? > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 15:40:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21375; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:39:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:39:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <30.10ee90be.27c975ae@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:38:06 EST Subject: Re: JamMan AB To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 24/02/01 17:31:18 GMT Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > Of course, getting the timing down for both loops is the > problem. yes, virtually impossible without a drum machine, except for small loops. How about using the SAMPLE function, recording 2 (or more) sections (AB) together and varying the triggerig so it repeats when you want, but only goes on the B section when you want At least the A & B could be different lengths. > machines and "normal" song structures, alienated a great deal of my > potential audience...we've discussed that in another thread. I discovered > limitations. Doing "song" type compositions is very demanding. Loop lengths > (esp. on my JamMan and DL4) are limited. At first I felt this to be > limiting, but I find those same "limitations" inspiring and welcomed. Having so using the jamlimits I could compose a ABCAAAAABAAAABAAABC type structure to be realised by recording with the sampler function and tapping accordingly. yes i have ordered that Echoplex (UK) andy butler (waiting..waiting...waiting) Lexicon Vortex Database and hi Cliff , thanks for the plug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 15:41:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21376; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:39:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:39:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <16.943f1ba.27c975ac@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:38:04 EST Subject: Re: JamMan/MPX sync To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 24/02/01 17:31:18 GMT Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > Hey Loopers, > 1.) Question about MIDI on the JamMan: < is there any use to connecting MIDI In *and* Out, > in a "star" MIDI configuration? You can use the JM to tap time & start your sequencer. Using the MIDI in on the JamMn means that you won't be able to overdub over the start/end of the loop without getting a glitch (MIDI isn't accurate enough for audio) > > bpm, the MPX-1 seems to receive the clock but is way off, approximately > twice the tempo, but not even precisely. this depends on the MPX-1patch you are using. ie MIDI clock sends crotchets but the MPX deliberatly doubles this for a semi-breve. the syncing only occurs once, and after that the MPX will drift. (assuming it's like the MPX100 in this respect) Well hope someone else can answer the rest of your questions. Andy Butler (gear as usual) anyone got any ebow tips? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 16:20:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22585; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:18:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:18:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601c09ea6$145a5d00$eb141d3f@oemcomputer> From: "Petr Dolak" To: References: <000d01c09e63$a57da640$ab0c1a3f@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: rolls midi pedals Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:09:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have ordered midiwizard as well, for the same purposes -- to control several loopers + sound effects. Midiwizard came out of my research as the best option. I ordered it from Jack's Store, which seems to have the best price on it (and a great service as well). http://www.jacksmusicstore.com/index.html _________________________________________ Petr Dolák music * poetry guitar * looping * percussion www.geocities.com/pepetr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 16:36:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23325; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:34:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:34:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:33:27 -0600 Subject: Re: repeater From: Steve Ginn To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How soon Jamie? on 2/22/01 12:35 PM, Jamie Drouin at jamie@electrixpro.com wrote: > on 2/22/01 7:13 PM, Claude Voit at c.voit@vtx.ch wrote: >> >>> As far as I can tell, Repeater looks Amazing. >>> I'm curious as to if there are "flaws". >> I had the chance to "see" some of these deleted archives and they all >> say the R******* is not looping yet it doesnt even exist yet > > It's looping...just not shipping yet. Expect some (very) good news soon! > > later, > Jamie. > > > Jamie Drouin > Visual Designer for Electrix > (a division of IVL Technologies Ltd) > 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada > > email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 17:40:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24760; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:37:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:37:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: repeater Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:37:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all, Repeater is coming soon. The software has come a long way since Winter NAMM and things are very close. Final Beta testing is just around the corner so during the coming weeks We will keep the list updated with more accurate shipping information as we get it. Hang in there. I will be at Frankfurt at Music Mesa March 7-11 So if anyone from the group wants to swing by I'll give them a demo of the latest and greatest. Expect more Repeater demos soon.... Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 19:36:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27428; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:33:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:33:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "J. Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: repeater Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:29:40 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8pQEWC.A.YsG.ALFm6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, this means just in time for Christmas 2001... Start saving your pennies, everyone... | -----Original Message----- | From: Damon Langlois (Electrix) [mailto:Damon@Electrixpro.com] | Sent: Saturday 24 February 2001 2:37 PM | Subject: RE: repeater | | Hey all, | Repeater is coming soon. The software has come a long way since | Winter NAMM | and things are very close. Final Beta testing is just around | the corner so | during the coming weeks We will keep the list updated with more accurate | shipping information as we get it. Hang in there. | | I will be at Frankfurt at Music Mesa March 7-11 So if anyone | from the group | wants to swing by I'll give them a demo of the latest and greatest. | | Expect more Repeater demos soon.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 19:48:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27763; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:47:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:47:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:47:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Yeah, this means just in time for Christmas 2001... Start saving your >pennies, everyone... Don't worry, Repeater will be shipping way before Christmas 2001... Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com - From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 20:07:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28563; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:05:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:05:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601c09ec6$6ea08260$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "Brian Mulvey" To: "Joe Dallarda" , References: Subject: Re: Laptop Soundcards Query for loopbased music Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:01:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <41roLD.A.B-G.CpFm6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I've seen > the likes of Jim O'Rourke and Richard D. James sitting or laying down by the > dancing bears, respectively, with trusty laptops in hand, but was kind of > hoping for some (at least a little) more detailed kind of info, on the > logistics and the experience in general, if possible. I've used a PC live before, a desktop unit rather than a laptop, and can tell you it's great for the performer, the capability of working with what you have and not buying new hardware, etc., but for the audience it kinda sucks. Unless you're doing a dance-party rave kinda thing, or background ambience thing, where people aren't going to be neccessarily concentrating on the performer, people are going to be watching you, and it's just not visually stimulating to watch the back end of a computer. Believe me-I'm one of those guys who check out the effects pedals before the gig starts- there is no direct association between a computer and music for most people, (you know, as opposed to a guitar), so visually it's rather lacking. At the last transmission fest, after laptop act after laptop act, really amazing laptop acts even, I really got sick of the whole thing. Some had video projections, which adds alot, but hardly solves the problem. If you're going to go the video route, I'd suggest making something highly organic to offset the laptop-effect a little bit. My project made a tape to play in the background consisting mainly of tv interference shot through colored glass.. it worked rather well. brian. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 20:23:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28954; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:21:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:21:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: fnothing@pop.sirius.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:30:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: fnothing@sirius.com (Jonathan Byerly) Subject: Re: In/Out, Labeling, Media Intelligencia, and other things... Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I didn't mean to disparage Joe Satriani, who obviously is an outrageously gifted guitar player. The squeaky door really does sound great... I recorded a ten minute solo of me playing a huge WWII rusty-hinged iron door in an abondoned bunker out in the Marin Headlands... it sounds like immense heavy metal feedback, (really). I am a saxophonist and after my band "Overdriven Cultists" got sucked up by a software Company that then moved to Seattle,(I turned down the same oppurtunity), I started looping (again) with the Boomerang. I have become quite adept at setting up bass & drum sounds with my mouth. Of course, I have hit the ABA wall. Coming from an improvisational background, I don't think of loops, midi or multiple recording as a Band, it can't share the moment or an idea, but like Max wrote, I think of loops as tools, (Great for Rave stuff). That said, I am planning to get the Repeater, and am interested in a group buy/discount if that is available to me, (I don't know anyone on this list). Either way I am getting it. I might even keep the Boomerang, because its like a piece of licorice, so easy and yummy. Oh, there is no way to insert a loop with Boomerang, you can layer til you run dry, but its all one loop. I come to looping form the Jon Hassel/Eno-Fripp tradition and utilize an ancient Vox woodwind pickup that I have in my second-string mouthpiece. It works magic with Dr Q, they are very happy together. Add a boost or distortion and the world looks promising again.... despite Bush. Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 20:42:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29264; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:40:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:40:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:36:50 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater group buy In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:30 PM -0800 2/24/01, Jonathan Byerly wrote: >I am planning to get the Repeater, and am interested in a group >buy/discount if that is available to me I sent an e-mail request directly to Alto Music , referencing the Loopers Delight group buy. This was the response: >Hi-This is Alto Music.We are putting you on the list and will contact you >when they are available.I can assure you of a much better price than what >you have seen.Thanks So... Go for it! -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 20:47:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29411; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:46:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:46:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A986416.B08BC55B@cloud9.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:47:02 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gobs o' expression pedals References: <200102241631.LAA14581@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0GH7nC.A.YLH.HPGm6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's a description of a homebrew mod to a Peavey PC1600X that will support up to 16 expression pedals (the unmodded unit supports 2). It's described in a link off of: http://www.defectiverecords.com/pc1600/pc1600.html I'm considering giving this a try. BTW, if you're looking for the "ultimate midi controller", I'd recommend giving the Peavey a serious look. I've had mine for about 4 months, and it's becoming the backbone of my midi setup. Elby > > Subject: Re: rolls midi pedals > Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 08:47:52 -0000 > From: "whiteoakstudios" > To: > > Hi, > Anyone on this list using a rolls midi wizard ? > I understand that you can plug up to 8 expression pedals up to it - is this > true ? > What I want is to be able to control up to 4 loops, triggering them with > switches and controlling the feedback with expression pedals. I keep running > out of switches and pedals. > Can anyone advise? - can't find anything on the net. > > Hwyl, > gareth > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 21:07:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30109; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:05:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:05:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:58:07 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Gobs o' expression pedals In-reply-to: <3A986416.B08BC55B@cloud9.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <200102241631.LAA14581@hemlock.violacea.com> <3A986416.B08BC55B@cloud9.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:47 PM -0500 2/24/01, Mountain Man wrote: >There's a description of a homebrew mod to a Peavey PC1600X that >will support up to 16 expression pedals (the unmodded unit supports >2). It's described in a link off of: >http://www.defectiverecords.com/pc1600/pc1600.html > >I'm considering giving this a try. BTW, if you're looking for the >"ultimate midi controller", I'd recommend giving the Peavey a >serious look. I've had mine for about 4 months, and it's becoming >the backbone of my midi setup. Thanks for this! I've had a notion that this might be a good way to go, so I'm glad to know the someone has done it successfully. I also have a PC1600 (the older model). I agree that it's a great unit, with one reservaton - the placement of the sixteen channel buttons is unfortunate. It is very easy to hit one by mistake, and because there is no status LED you can tell at a glance what the state of the buttons is. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 21:50:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30680; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:49:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:49:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010225024855.51312.qmail@web9107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:48:55 -0800 (PST) From: John Malcolm Subject: Re: OUT/IN To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200102240954.BAA20488@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8Bk7JC.A.FfH.YKHm6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As to what Hendrix might have used for looping, maybe a Roland space echo set to sound on sound, or maybe just a loop of tape. --- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > god i just cant let that statement go by w/out > comment > yes "you believe..." > hendrix, to me and many others was always moving > ahead in his musical > path-any number of posthumous releases show this in > many ways and i dont > need to go into any of them here! > in any creative endeavor there will be > setbacks,experiments,false moves and > totally foolhardy footsteps all as part of the > search for creative > expression, plus those were crazy times! it is a > dark,lonely road no matter > what..and the guy was still a young cat " all too human>"(?)someone > coined that phrase. > we lost a *supreme* musician the day that music > died... > looping content: i have a tape of hendrix where he > has on a pre-recorded > tape a four-bar electric guitar loop that > keeps-guess what- *repeating*(i > dont know what technique was used in '66-'70) and he > plays live guitar > overtop of it and its very 'loopadelic' > seeya,stanner > ---------- > >From: Neal Trembath > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: RE:OUT/IN > >Date: Fri, Feb 23, 2001, 7:58 PM > > > >I believe a major reason Hendrix checked out was > because he had > >lost touch with how to do something new, a > spiritual/creative cul-de-sac. > >He was becoming a parody of himself. > ><< > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 22:24:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31523; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:22:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:22:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:21:54 EST Subject: BOOMERANG To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_fc.2cadcd6.27c9d452_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_fc.2cadcd6.27c9d452_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/24/01 8:22:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, fnothing@sirius.com writes: > . Oh, there is no > way to insert a loop with Boomerang, you can layer til you run dry, but its > all one loop. > jonathan.....the upgrade gives you the ability to have 2 loops, so ABA is very possible and it is so easy.....or AABBABBABAAABB etc. etc. and it switches flawlessly.....even if you get the repeater keep the rang.....the only way i will give up my rang is if it is pulled out from under my cold dead toes.....:).....michael --part1_fc.2cadcd6.27c9d452_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/24/01 8:22:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
fnothing@sirius.com writes:


. Oh, there is no
way to insert a loop with Boomerang, you can layer til you run dry, but its
all one loop.


jonathan.....the upgrade gives you the ability to have 2 loops, so ABA is
very possible and it is so easy.....or AABBABBABAAABB etc. etc. and it
switches flawlessly.....even if you get the repeater keep the rang.....the
only way i will give up my rang is if it is pulled out from under my cold
dead toes.....:).....michael --part1_fc.2cadcd6.27c9d452_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 24 22:32:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31714; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:30:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:30:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:35:19 -0800 To: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: In/Out, Labeling, Media Intelligencia, and other things... Cc: Loopers-Delight Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:24 AM 2/24/01, Michael P. Hughes, PhD wrote: >I've always liked the description "soundtracks to films that were never >made", but it always sounds pretentiouys when I use it. > ...which is why I subtitled my new CD "Themes to Imaginary Mini-Series"... ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 01:15:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02642; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 01:13:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 01:13:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c09ef2$b87abe60$8f936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <1.5.4.32.20010215193520.0068ddc8@subnet.virtual-pc.com><000201c09824$9d6bb4a0$17b46fd4@y5w2s5><010b01c0983e$55ca4ed0$080210ac@jpalmer><000201c09a43$043d81c0$fa936fd4@y5w2s5><023201c09acb$61ee7530$080210ac@jpalmer><01a801c09c3d$d3f9de80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com><001e01c09c49$9c6eb2e0$a30018ac@jnpr.net><002b01c09c4a$c3071c70$a30018ac@jnpr.net><07d101c09d2d$96179170$080210ac@jpalmer><000201c09d7c$54a3cb60$77926fd4@y5w2s5><097201c09da7$692dea90$080210ac@jpalmer><000201c09e38$cb90de40$d0936fd4@y5w2s5> <0bf301c09e9f$d0df2ed0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: 1U PC for Kyma Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:40:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nor me Jim. That's the troble with email - we don't get the inflections. Best wishes, Gareth > i wasn't making a point, there > just asking. > i am considering the laptop route as well as > the rack mount pc route... > > so are you looping with the kyma? > or just effects? > synthesis? > chronosynclastic infundibulum? > > > > Ah, > > Sorry - I don't use samples - wasn't thinking. That's me all over self self > > self : ) > > > > Gareth > > > > > > Why not just get a secondhand Llaptop ? > > > > > > do you ever load sample loops off the laptop? > > > is the laptop interface fast enough for that? > > > what about direct disk access? > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 02:25:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04401; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 02:23:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 02:23:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A98B753.5FA6@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 23:42:12 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bob Sellon Jamman References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is anyone on the list currently using the Bob Sellon Jamman upgrade? How do you like it? Is it true stereo? Thanks for your time and insights in advance, Scott Kungha Drengsen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 07:45:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10035; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 07:43:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 07:43:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A98B753.5FA6@earthlink.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 04:41:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Bob Sellon Jamman Resent-Message-ID: <70tloD.A.pcC.E3Pm6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:42 PM -0800 2/24/01, scott kungha drengsen wrote: >Is anyone on the list currently using the Bob Sellon Jamman upgrade? >How do you like it? Is it true stereo? >Thanks for your time and insights in advance, >Scott Kungha Drengsen the jamman sums the imputs to mono before the loop. no amount of software can change that. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 09:23:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11763; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 09:22:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 09:22:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [62.104.212.70] From: "Robert Eberwein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Non Loop: Ah, Jimmy, we hardly knew ya. Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:21:19 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2001 14:21:20.0098 (UTC) FILETIME=[39132420:01C09F36] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What was Jimmy's Brand? [Catchy name for a band, no?] [Did anyone else used to think it was cool to hold your cig in your strings, at the top of your guitar neck?]. Sigh. robb _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 09:38:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11922; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 09:36:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 09:36:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Non Loop: Ah, Jimmy, we hardly knew ya. Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:36:30 +0100 Message-ID: <000201c09f38$58366a40$0301a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > [Did anyone else used to think it was cool to hold your cig > in your strings, > at the top of your guitar neck?]. Frank did. Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 10:36:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13231; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:34:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:34:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: Repeater concepts Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:31:36 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c09f40$4323d900$0301a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damon, going through the 0.8 manual again, I thought about some concepts/ideas/improvements with regard to Repeater. Perhaps you could consider them for inclusion (in a later software release) or tell me why this won't work/isn't implemented ? 1. Logic of the File System As I got it, the repeater's file system is based on loops (each with its own subdirectory), which you can select, and then each loop contains up to four tracks (independent wav files). What I'd prefer would be something like one big directory containing the tracks (1-999 or whatever), and then the different loops which reference the tracks in the tracks dir with shortcuts/links or whatever it's called on these media cards. This way, you could select another track out of the looppool on your card on the fly and include it into the running loop. 2. MIDI control The concept for MIDI control as outlined in the 0.8 version is in my eyes a little bit unflexible. 1) you can't use program change messages to control the Repeater. Doing so would allow a user using say the simple Boss FC-50 foot controller to use the program change buttons to select tracks and then use the externally controlled footswitches (sending CCs) to start/stop/record/whatever. Or, weirder still, you could use (also implementing the concept mentioned above) the program changes to select tracks (everything configurable). And MIDI note messages: again, based on the track concept mentioned above, MIDI note on/off messages could be configured to load/play a certain track in a defined track position in your running loop. I.e. MIDI notes 1-32 would load tracks 1-32 into the first track in the loop, and so on with the remaining MIDI notes for the remaining tracks in the loop. Configurable, MIDI note on to start, MIDI note off to stop the track, or MIDI note on as a on/off toggle. MIDI velocity (or polyphonic aftertouch) could control the volume level for the corresponding track. And, of course, control of any functions (recording et al) via MIDI notes The idea: thus, you could use a keyboard (or better still, a MIDI bass pedal) to select prerecorded loops sample-player-style, and then use another foot controller (or the bass pedal as well) to record loops on top of this... Just my $0.02... Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 12:23:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15875; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:21:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:21:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c09f4f$533ccc20$ee0c78d8@prelayomb> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <200102241631.LAA14581@hemlock.violacea.com> <3A986416.B08BC55B@cloud9.net> Subject: Footswitch Modifications, Apologies and Out Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 09:20:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo Ho-- I ain't selling, but I see on EBay http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1411593102 that Alto Music has managed to get someone to bid $112 so far on the EDP footswitch. I imagine these are only good for EDPs . . . I am really liking using the FS300, and I haven't wired the resistors yet. In truth I have two fs300s I could use--has anyone tried modifying two if 'em and using them together? I imagine it wouldn't be too difficult. On another note, last night I was reading through an old copy of some local give-away trade paper--I think it was LA Weekly--and lo and behold, a reference to that tragic and fateful evening when I left the Knit in fear and loathing--the quote was something like, "fans of Stig who came to hear jazz". And so again I extend apologies for being "closeminded". As my late mother used to say, "Some people like raisin pie." One last thing--isn't there a French word "outre" indicating avant behaviour? Any correlation? Hi tech hillbilly, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 13:23:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17303; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:21:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:21:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:20:44 EST Subject: no one does Jimi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 114 Resent-Message-ID: <63UA9B.A.EOE.f0Um6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com - uh... say what?... > > >I believe a major reason Hendrix checked out was > > because he had > > >lost touch with how to do something new, a > > spiritual/creative cul-de-sac. > > >He was becoming a parody of himself. > > ><< > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 14:14:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21862; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:13:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:13:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A995DC1.7EA@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:32:20 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jimi References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4Ab3TB.A.bVF.7kVm6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I believe a major reason Hendrix checked out was because he had lost touch with how to do something new, a spiritual/creative cul-de-sac. He was becoming a parody of himself. Right wing conspiracy theories concerning Jimi's "suicide" aside.This just doesn't hold up to the facts.Hendrix created the treasure trove we are still mining in 3-1/2 years.His later work shows development,promise,and vision.(All this despite the extroadinary upheaval of his personal life that sudden fame had created).Any careful listening study will reveal that inspiration was not something the man lacked.He was constantly expanding the limits of the musicians he worked with and the available technology. We wouldn't have this forum if it weren't for Jimi Hendrix. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 14:33:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22196; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:31:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:31:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:29:44 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Jimi In-reply-to: <3A995DC1.7EA@earthlink.net> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <3A995DC1.7EA@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:32 AM -0800 2/25/01, scott kungha drengsen wrote: > We wouldn't have this forum if it weren't for Jimi Hendrix. That's arguable. Repetitive, loop and delay-based, and other process music certainly predates Hendrix, and I daresay a majority of us would have ended up in a similar musical place without his influence. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 16:45:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25105; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:42:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:42:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c09f73$abb9a660$1b86893e@simes> From: "Simon Kean" To: References: <3A995DC1.7EA@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Jimi Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:41:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zvonar" > At 11:32 AM -0800 2/25/01, scott kungha drengsen wrote: > > > We wouldn't have this forum if it weren't for Jimi Hendrix. > > That's arguable. > > Repetitive, loop and delay-based, and other process music certainly > predates Hendrix, and I daresay a majority of us would have ended up > in a similar musical place without his influence. > -- Completely hypothetical argument on both sides. The opinions expressed, while both have merit, are completely speculative. Simon -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulcerate - alternative/industrial music to inspire and conspire http://mp3.com/ulcerate - streaming & downloadable mp3 evidence MP3.com featured artist in Alternative, Industrial and Industrial Rock. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 17:14:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26147; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:12:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:12:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A993E75.1B9E3DDD@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:18:46 +0000 From: steve tanner Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jimi References: <3A995DC1.7EA@earthlink.net> <000801c09f73$abb9a660$1b86893e@simes> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We wouldn't have this forum if it weren't for Jimi Hendrix. prob not a true statement but the sentiment behind it is valid I very clearly remember the first time I heard hendrix in 7th grade, it really effected me, still does, the man definately had a clearer channel to the muse than most of us from what I've heard and read he was working on new things immediately prior to his death and was excited about them, if it was just one of those bad things that sometimes happens for no good reason or if he gave into some personal demons I can't say but I'm pretty sure that had he lived he would have continued to explore music and the tools to make and modify it and would prob be on this list pointing out some really inventive ways for us to explore sonic textures t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 17:57:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27668; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:55:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:55:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A99B19A.1463D9E@home.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:30:02 -0800 From: Will Brake Organization: Soul Fruit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gobs o' expression pedals References: <200102241631.LAA14581@hemlock.violacea.com> <3A986416.B08BC55B@cloud9.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------DD7103FC2867AC883F864FC2" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------DD7103FC2867AC883F864FC2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Take a look at the offering from Kenton. The Control Freak is a great MIDI CONTROLLER that is affordable and bullet-proof! Excellent construction and user friendly. I think it's less expensive than the Peavey. Plus, the button placement is at the top of the slider, no accidental triggers! They offer two different models, the standard 8-fader model ($350) and the studio edition 16-fader ($420). Prices include shipping. check it out at the following: http://www.soul-fruit.com http://www.kenton.co.uk I offer group discounts and will do everything I can to support your purchase! You won't find a better source for information, repair and modifications. Be Well Will Brake Soul Fruit PS It is not my intention to spam this discussion group. I'm trying to provide information and affordable alternatives to other products. Please keep this in mind when you contact me. Richard Zvonar wrote: > > At 8:47 PM -0500 2/24/01, Mountain Man wrote: > >There's a description of a homebrew mod to a Peavey PC1600X that > >will support up to 16 expression pedals (the unmodded unit supports > >2). It's described in a link off of: > >http://www.defectiverecords.com/pc1600/pc1600.html > > > >I'm considering giving this a try. BTW, if you're looking for the > >"ultimate midi controller", I'd recommend giving the Peavey a > >serious look. I've had mine for about 4 months, and it's becoming > >the backbone of my midi setup. > > Thanks for this! I've had a notion that this might be a good way to > go, so I'm glad to know the someone has done it successfully. > > I also have a PC1600 (the older model). I agree that it's a great > unit, with one reservaton - the placement of the sixteen channel > buttons is unfortunate. It is very easy to hit one by mistake, and > because there is no status LED you can tell at a glance what the > state of the buttons is. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com > (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com > (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com > > http://www.zvonar.com --------------DD7103FC2867AC883F864FC2 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="wbrake.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Will Brake Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="wbrake.vcf" begin:vcard n:Brake;Will tel;work:248-583-1856 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http//www.soul-fruit.com org:Soul Fruit adr:;;2900 Rochester Road;Royal Oak;Michigan;48073;USA version:2.1 email;internet:wbrake@home.com title:Owner fn:Will Brake end:vcard --------------DD7103FC2867AC883F864FC2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 18:47:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29123; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:36:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:36:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20010225173445.007ee930@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:34:45 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Jimi - A Quote Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I picked this up somewhere. Assume it's factual. M.. "A musician , if he's a messenger, is like a child who hasn't been handled too many times by man, hasn't had too many fingerprints across his brain. That's why music is so much heavier than anything you ever felt." Jimi Hendrix Life Magazine Interview 1969 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 18:59:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28998; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:32:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:32:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:26:48 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Jimi In-reply-to: <000801c09f73$abb9a660$1b86893e@simes> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: <3A995DC1.7EA@earthlink.net> <000801c09f73$abb9a660$1b86893e@simes> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:41 PM +0000 2/25/01, Simon Kean wrote: > > At 11:32 AM -0800 2/25/01, scott kungha drengsen wrote: >> >> > We wouldn't have this forum if it weren't for Jimi Hendrix. >> >> That's arguable. >> >> Repetitive, loop and delay-based, and other process music certainly >> predates Hendrix, and I daresay a majority of us would have ended up >> in a similar musical place without his influence. >> -- > >Completely hypothetical argument on both sides. The opinions expressed, >while both have merit, are completely speculative. Not "completely hypothetical" in my case personally. I was listening to avant garde, electronic, and loop music before I ever heard of Hendrix, so although I was really impressed by his work I can't say that it was necessarily a formative experience for me. I reacted too strongly to Scott's sweeping pronouncement and responded with a generalization of my own. I just know that most of my colleagues have a broader range of influences than that. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 18:59:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29286; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:40:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:40:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A995DC1.7EA@earthlink.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:38:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Jimi Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:32 AM -0800 2/25/01, scott kungha drengsen wrote: > We wouldn't have this forum if it weren't for Jimi Hendrix. well, I created LD, and I have pretty much no interest in Jimi Hendrix and hardly ever listened to him. I think I can fairly authoritatively state that Looper's Delight would still exist even if Hendrix never had! So far as I can tell, Hendrix didn't have much (or any) influence on loop based music. Did Hendrix influence hip-hop? no. kraftwerk, house, and numerous other electronic dance spin-offs? no. The various tape loop and soundscape/ambient pioneers? or Dub? not that I know of. He played rock music, which mostly avoided/derided loops and samples for decades while the ideas developed elsewhere. Over the past ten years or so it seems the opposite has happened, rock has been influenced by the looping cultures to reinvent itself a few more times. >From my perspective, Hendrix is just another over-nostalgized baby boomer icon that I'm tired of hearing about. Sorry if that bothers some of you, I don't mean it with disrespect of the guy. That was music of my parent's generation. (although my parents never listened to him either.) I never really heard that stuff growing up, and it didn't mean much to me when I did listen to it as an adult. For me, Hendrix is just another guy in a documentary on the history channel, like say, Louis Armstrong. I listened to it as music history education, and that was about it. That's probably true for most people under the age of 35, and those are the people mostly creating loop-based music... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 18:59:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29851; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:57:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:57:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010225185723.007d03f0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:57:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Non Loop: Ah, Jimmy, we hardly knew ya. In-Reply-To: <3A999A45.A7374529@virtulink.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:50 PM 2/25/01 -0500, you wrote: >> [Did anyone else used to think it was cool to hold your cig in your strings, >> at the top of your guitar neck?]. > >Keith Richards, Ron Wood. And tons of country guys for years but it was only after Eddie Van Halen made it fashionable that the number of used guitars you'd see in stores with burn marks on 'em went way up. Boy, are we off-topic here.... -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 18:59:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29631; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:49:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:49:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A999A45.A7374529@virtulink.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:50:29 -0500 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Non Loop: Ah, Jimmy, we hardly knew ya. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Robert Eberwein wrote: > > What was Jimmy's Brand? [Catchy name for a band, no?] > > [Did anyone else used to think it was cool to hold your cig in your strings, > at the top of your guitar neck?]. Keith Richards, Ron Wood. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 20:28:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32276; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:21:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:21:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010226012028.21288.qmail@web3305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:20:28 -0500 (EST) From: Antonio Loro Subject: Boomerang vs. Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi. I need to choose between buying a Boomerang 2.0 or the Electrix Repeater. The Repeater sounds like the choice tool, with better sound quality, sampling time, and flexibility (while just fitting into my price range). I'd use it for guitar, voice, and any other instruments lying around. Can I get a 2nd opinion? Anything to make me feel better informed, you know. Thanks a bunch. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 20:41:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32587; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:40:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:40:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ce01c09f95$a15f6160$4d624442@austin.rr.com> From: "Jimmy George" To: References: <20010226012028.21288.qmail@web3305.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Boomerang vs. Repeater Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:44:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i sure love my boomerangs. especially with the upgrade! ----- Original Message ----- From: Antonio Loro To: Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 7:20 PM Subject: Boomerang vs. Repeater > Hi. I need to choose between buying a Boomerang 2.0 > or the Electrix Repeater. The Repeater sounds like > the choice tool, with better sound quality, sampling > time, and flexibility (while just fitting into my > price range). I'd use it for guitar, voice, and any > other instruments lying around. Can I get a 2nd > opinion? Anything to make me feel better informed, > you know. > Thanks a bunch. > > _______________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 20:47:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00306; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:45:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:45:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d301c09f96$6ff34aa0$4d624442@austin.rr.com> From: "Jimmy George" To: References: <20010226012028.21288.qmail@web3305.mail.yahoo.com> <00ce01c09f95$a15f6160$4d624442@austin.rr.com> Subject: Re: Boomerang vs. Repeater Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:50:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <4YoI1D.A.8_H.0Ubm6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have been effectively looping my voice and guitar through the rang for years. i don't know much about the repeater yet. jimmy george http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy George To: Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 7:44 PM Subject: Re: Boomerang vs. Repeater > i sure love my boomerangs. especially with the upgrade! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Antonio Loro > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 7:20 PM > Subject: Boomerang vs. Repeater > > > > Hi. I need to choose between buying a Boomerang 2.0 > > or the Electrix Repeater. The Repeater sounds like > > the choice tool, with better sound quality, sampling > > time, and flexibility (while just fitting into my > > price range). I'd use it for guitar, voice, and any > > other instruments lying around. Can I get a 2nd > > opinion? Anything to make me feel better informed, > > you know. > > Thanks a bunch. > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 20:49:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00433; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:48:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:48:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:47:41 EST Subject: Re: Boomerang vs. Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 129 Resent-Message-ID: <8jtJrB.A.dG.gXbm6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's an easy choice now as the Repeater isn't available. I also wonder how usable the first batch of the Repeaters will be (i.e. potential major software bugs). Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 22:17:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02626; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:15:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:15:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A99CEA6.5BBC@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:34:01 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jimi References: <3A995DC1.7EA@earthlink.net> <000801c09f73$abb9a660$1b86893e@simes> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes,loop based music predates Hendrix. Yes,It was a sweeping generalization meant more to provoke thought and contemplate origins then define or limit anyone. And especially,I'm speaking as an instrumentalist who uses electronics to expand his vocabulary.I don't think its possable to imagine either guitar playing or guitar effects evolving as quickly as they did or in the way they did without Hendrix.Furthermore I don't think music and technology would've come together as quickly in the popular imagination as vital emotional expression. So just as it's possable to play Jazz without knowing Armstrong or thinking he was valid.And,It's equally plausible we would have come here anyway by some other means. That's not the way it happened on this particular planet.We are swimming in water others have waded in first.I don't think one can consider David Torn,Bill Frissell,Terje Rypdal,Nels Cline,or Gibson's interest or ability to sell the Echoplex without some acknowlegdement of Hendrix. PEACE Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 22:58:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03428; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:56:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:56:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c09edf$95d2f520$f3980fce@com> From: "Stephen Bradley and Kristen Chamberlin" To: References: Subject: Re: Jimi Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 23:01:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >From my perspective, Hendrix is just another over-nostalgized baby boomer > icon that I'm tired of hearing about. Sorry if that bothers some of you, I > don't mean it with disrespect of the guy. That was music of my parent's > generation. (although my parents never listened to him either.) I never > really heard that stuff growing up, and it didn't mean much to me when I > did listen to it as an adult. For me, Hendrix is just another guy in a > documentary on the history channel, like say, Louis Armstrong. I listened > to it as music history education, and that was about it. That's probably > true for most people under the age of 35....................... ...................or for people who never did hallucinogenic drugs............. "are you experienced, or have you ever been experienced?" -J. Hendrix stephen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 23:20:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04256; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:18:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:18:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:17:35 EST Subject: Re: Jimi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c3.e3df00d.27cb32df_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: <9dTOED.A.WCB.Akdm6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c3.e3df00d.27cb32df_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/25/01 6:40:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > That's probably > true for most people under the age of 35, and those are the people mostly > creating loop-based music... > i have always been surprised going to the"loopers of the world" site at LD as to how many folk on there are over 35.....be nice to the "boomers" they are all getting old.....:).....and they still can loop with the best of them!.....michael p.s. i was never a big jimi fan either --part1_c3.e3df00d.27cb32df_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/25/01 6:40:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kflint@loopers-delight.com writes:


That's probably
true for most people under the age of 35, and those are the people mostly
creating loop-based music...


i have always been surprised going to the"loopers of the world" site at LD as
to how many folk on there are over 35.....be nice to the "boomers" they are
all getting old.....:).....and they still can loop with the best of
them!.....michael
p.s. i was never a big jimi fan either
--part1_c3.e3df00d.27cb32df_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 23:27:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04877; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:25:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:25:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:20:11 -0800 Subject: Re: Jimi, respect, no onions... Message-ID: <20010225.202011.-166165.1.tony-moore@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tony Moore Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow, and you guys mean no disrespect huh? i usually make it a point to never enter into silly threads like these, but this has been a growing trend on ld lately. respect is the operative word for me here... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 23:37:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05297; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:36:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:36:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:35:40 EST Subject: Re: Jimi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 129 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 2/25/01 10:56:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, chambrad@valinet.com writes: << For me, Hendrix is just another guy in a > documentary on the history channel, like say, Louis Armstrong. I listened > to it as music history education, and that was about it. That's probably > true for most people under the age of 35....................... >> I don't know. How many boxed sets of Creed's, Fuel's, Filter's, Marilyn Manson's, Kid Rock's, et al will they be selling 25 years from now? Most of today's popular music can't hold a candle to Hendrix's and others of his era. That's why people are still listening to it. Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 25 23:58:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05739; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:56:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:56:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c09ee7$f0829ea0$f3980fce@com> From: "Stephen Bradley and Kristen Chamberlin" To: References: Subject: Re: Jimi Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 00:00:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 2/25/01 10:56:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, > chambrad@valinet.com writes............. hey that wasn't me you were quoting, but kim..... I was the add - on at the end of that message.... and while we're having at it for the white, stoned guitar gods of the 60's, are we "not psyched" about Pete Townsend, or David Gilmour for that matter? just curious, stephen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 00:04:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06279; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:02:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:02:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c09fb0$e25a40c0$4f28059a@hal> Reply-To: "Christian Leduc" From: "Christian Leduc" To: References: Subject: Re: Jimi (I think it's now OT) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:59:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, I was a little in your position 2 or 3 years ago when I was in a kind of musical cul-de-sac... I was sick of these "old hippies"... Now, I think I enjoy the guy simply for what he was, a good and important guitarist (but that's all)... Reich or Cage was there before him.. But when I see him in old taped shows (like Woodstock), I can only get tremendous respect for him(without over-nostalgize) because he had a such personnal way to make his music and to "live" it.. I read one day a Cage's interview when he said that Jazz was kind of dull and Rock was great.. The interviewer said: "what? You like rock?" And Cage responded that, on the contrary of Jazz, "Rock is full of life" or something like that.. And I thought about Jimi at this moment.. Not in a over-nostalgized fashion, but just: "Well, music was his life" and you can feel it with him... I don't consider Hendrix to be a major influence on me, but he is still, in a indirect way, here and there in my playing.. What I hate, like you Kim, is the over-nostalgized things like: "Buy the '69 pickups who sounds just like Hendrix".. I don't consider that an old pickup who can be full of hum is interesting versus the new ones without hum just because it sounds like Hendrix... I don't like to live in the past.. That's why I consider Michael Brook with great respect.. He was one of the first (with the infinite guitar) to quit the guitar's clichés... Like Hendrix did in the '60s... So, I think we must move in new directions... Don't live in the past.. But again, is it not what Hendrix did?!?!?! :) Best, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 6:38 PM Subject: Re: Jimi > At 11:32 AM -0800 2/25/01, scott kungha drengsen wrote: > > We wouldn't have this forum if it weren't for Jimi Hendrix. > > well, I created LD, and I have pretty much no interest in Jimi Hendrix and > hardly ever listened to him. I think I can fairly authoritatively state > that Looper's Delight would still exist even if Hendrix never had! > > So far as I can tell, Hendrix didn't have much (or any) influence on loop > based music. Did Hendrix influence hip-hop? no. kraftwerk, house, and > numerous other electronic dance spin-offs? no. The various tape loop and > soundscape/ambient pioneers? or Dub? not that I know of. He played rock > music, which mostly avoided/derided loops and samples for decades while the > ideas developed elsewhere. Over the past ten years or so it seems the > opposite has happened, rock has been influenced by the looping cultures to > reinvent itself a few more times. > > From my perspective, Hendrix is just another over-nostalgized baby boomer > icon that I'm tired of hearing about. Sorry if that bothers some of you, I > don't mean it with disrespect of the guy. That was music of my parent's > generation. (although my parents never listened to him either.) I never > really heard that stuff growing up, and it didn't mean much to me when I > did listen to it as an adult. For me, Hendrix is just another guy in a > documentary on the history channel, like say, Louis Armstrong. I listened > to it as music history education, and that was about it. That's probably > true for most people under the age of 35, and those are the people mostly > creating loop-based music... > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 00:14:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06486; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:13:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:13:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c09fb2$c8be8ca0$360c78d8@prelayomb> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <200102241631.LAA14581@hemlock.violacea.com> <3A986416.B08BC55B@cloud9.net> <000c01c09f4f$533ccc20$ee0c78d8@prelayomb> Subject: Footswitch Final Cost; also FS300 Options Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:12:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message I see on EBay > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1411593102 that Alto > Music has managed to get someone to bid $112 so far on the EDP footswitch. It went for $152! >I am really liking using the FS300, and I haven't wired the resistors yet. In truth I have two > fs300s I could use--has anyone tried modifying two if 'em and using them > together? Is this doable? Wire two FS300s with resistors and mix the two footswitches to a mono output, then send 'em to the EDP footswitch input? I would also like to say that I don't think that an artist should allow the medium to dictate the style of the art. Know what I mean? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 01:17:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA07875; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:14:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:14:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c09fbc$38e56680$037e93ce@nancy> From: "Sid DeLuca" To: Subject: Re: Jimi Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:20:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you, Kim. Well said! -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sunday, February 25, 2001 5:40 PM Subject: Re: Jimi >At 11:32 AM -0800 2/25/01, scott kungha drengsen wrote: >> We wouldn't have this forum if it weren't for Jimi Hendrix. > >well, I created LD, and I have pretty much no interest in Jimi Hendrix and >hardly ever listened to him. I think I can fairly authoritatively state >that Looper's Delight would still exist even if Hendrix never had! > >So far as I can tell, Hendrix didn't have much (or any) influence on loop >based music. Did Hendrix influence hip-hop? no. kraftwerk, house, and >numerous other electronic dance spin-offs? no. The various tape loop and >soundscape/ambient pioneers? or Dub? not that I know of. He played rock >music, which mostly avoided/derided loops and samples for decades while the >ideas developed elsewhere. Over the past ten years or so it seems the >opposite has happened, rock has been influenced by the looping cultures to >reinvent itself a few more times. > >>From my perspective, Hendrix is just another over-nostalgized baby boomer >icon that I'm tired of hearing about. Sorry if that bothers some of you, I >don't mean it with disrespect of the guy. That was music of my parent's >generation. (although my parents never listened to him either.) I never >really heard that stuff growing up, and it didn't mean much to me when I >did listen to it as an adult. For me, Hendrix is just another guy in a >documentary on the history channel, like say, Louis Armstrong. I listened >to it as music history education, and that was about it. That's probably >true for most people under the age of 35, and those are the people mostly >creating loop-based music... > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 02:22:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA09151; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 02:20:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 02:20:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:17:05 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Jimi In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" References: Resent-Message-ID: <7FfY2B.A.zOC.cOgm6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:38 PM -0800 2/25/01, Kim Flint wrote: >From my perspective, Hendrix is just another over-nostalgized baby >boomer icon that I'm tired of hearing about...That was music of my >parent's generation...Hendrix is just another guy in a documentary >on the history channel, like say, Louis Armstrong. I listened to it >music history education, and that was about it. That's probably true >for most people under the age of 35, and those are the people mostly >creating loop-based music... Looks like you and I have this thing bracketed. I first heard Hendrix play at a college mixer in 1964 (though he wasn't really "Jimi Hendrix" yet). Then I saw him again do his Experience shtick in 1968. This generational divide is an interesting thing. The youngsters think the old folks' music is outdated and irrelevant and the oldsters think the kids' music is simplistic and naive and suffers from a lack of history. Same as it ever was. But as my old friend Joker's granny used to say, "Don't worry, you're youngyet [sic]." One thing I've discovered in my advanced age is: the longer I stick around, the greater my historical perspective, and the more relevance and "life" I find in art works and artists that I previously thought of as relics. I think it's interesting that most of the loopers are under 35, since that means they weren't born yet when the seminal loop music was being created. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD zvonar@zvonar.com (818) 788-2202 voice zvonar@LCSaudio.com (818) 788-2203 fax zvonar@well.com http://www.zvonar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 03:48:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA10367; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 03:45:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 03:45:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:45:42 -0800 Subject: Re: Jimi From: kevin To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 2/25/01 11:17 PM, Richard Zvonar at zvonar@zvonar.com wrote: > > I think it's interesting that most of the loopers are under 35, since > that means they weren't born yet when the seminal loop music was > being created. Am I missing something here? As Kim has often so eloquently put, looping is a musical tool and it transcends styles and genres. I don't really know what "loop music" is...and the majority of listeners on the planet will encounter said music without a clue as to how it was created...and why should they care anyway? I think it's safe to assume that for many here Hendrix was a great musician, and a seminal influence, and for many here he was not. For the record, he and Eddie Kramer did use tape looping on Axis Bold as Love, and quite effectively in my opinion. I can't remember how much the technique was used on Are you Experienced and Electric Ladyland. Hendrix was definitely in love with cutting edge musical technology. He sought it out, and he spent a good part of his personal fortune on building his own studio. Also for the record. Hendrix asphyxiated through a combination of alcohol and an overdose of sleeping pills. There is strong evidence (it was a German prescription that belonged to his girlfriend) that the overdose was an unintended accident, but no one can dispute that Hendrix was under intense pressures having to do with his fame, a complicated financial situation, and the rigors of touring. One other thing...the best book about Hendrix, which I think helps to get a grip on the bigger issues...is called "Cross-town Traffic" by an Englishman, Charles Shaar Murray. It's an amazing book about culture, American history, music and race. You can find it on Amazon.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 04:04:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11113; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 04:03:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 04:03:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010226090239.96275.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:02:39 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Jimi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One nice thing about being an old fart is having memories that encompass the before and after of certain events.... remembering popular music before the Beatles seeing the Beatles for the 1st time on "Ed Sullivan" waiting on pins & needles for my big sister to bring home the lastest Beatles LP and, to get back on the OT hearing Hendrix for the first time & going what the hell was that?! Studying earthquakes is not the same as feeling the earth move. ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 04:53:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11749; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 04:52:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 04:52:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014c01c09fd9$a196ad20$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" From: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" To: max valentino , Loopers-Delight References: Subject: Re: look: it's every on-topic! Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:51:01 -0000 Organization: University of Surrey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Max:> well...IMO nothing really compares to it in that price range. Much better > quality than the Akai Headrush. It has better sound quality than the JamMan, > and allows to do reverse and half speed/double speed loops. Sure, it is ONLY > 14 sec. of loop time (28 sec in half speed/bandwidth mode) but I have found > that to be plenty. Am I right in thinking it has fixed feedback? Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 05:17:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12451; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 05:15:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 05:15:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c09fdd$06e2f5a0$067d7d7d@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Jimi Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:15:20 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <9uD9C.A.VCD.4yim6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "kevin" put forth: > I think it's safe to assume that for many here Hendrix was a great > musician, and a seminal influence, and for many here he was not. For the > record, he and Eddie Kramer did use tape looping on Axis Bold as Love, and > quite effectively in my opinion. I can't remember how much the technique was > used on Are you Experienced and Electric Ladyland. I'm not going to argue on this thread, promise! (Holding hand up Shatner-style) On Electric Ladyland you can hear a good deal of looping on the tracks "...And the Gods Made Love", "1983 (A Merman I Should Turn To Be)" and the next cut, "Moon, Turn The Tides...Gently Gently Away ". Hell, you can hear the tape hiss sometimes. And as far as influence goes, those of us who are guitarists can't deny it being there, no matter how small one might think it is. And anyone who's ever used distortion who claims there's no Hendrix influence perhaps never knew the state of guitar playing before he cut loose, as opposed to after. Even Les Paul, the Old Great One, was impressed when he and his son encountered his soon-to-be-discovered act at a roadhouse; according to Les, they'd stopped off so his son could run in and either get a few burgers or use the mens' room, and he came out saying, "Dad! You've gotta see this guy, I've never heard anything like it." Or to that effect. Somehow I don't think ol' Les derided his use of feedback in the least. So much for generational distance as a meaningful platform. This brings up something that I've encountered in the UK that I frankly didn't think would happen here, and that is the dominance of the rave/party scene by DJs - to the unfortunate state that some poor ignorants now use the phrase "live act" as a detriment; though I think it's fairly accurate to distinguish sample-only playing and real live instrument playing, I find it sad that some need to draw this line, as if to say that one is music, and the other isn't. It might seem obvious to some that pre-recorded material is "safer" in its reliability and predictable level of expectation than someone playing an instrument - which is what some promoters have voiced to me - despite the fact that all technology has its bad days (or nights). Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery.html - Online Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 05:55:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12765; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 05:53:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 05:53:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <021f01c09fe2$1c8557e0$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" From: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" To: Loopers-Delight References: <00ce01c09f95$a15f6160$4d624442@austin.rr.com> Subject: Re: Boomerang vs. Repeater Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:51:43 -0000 Organization: University of Surrey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Hi. I need to choose between buying a Boomerang 2.0> > or the Electrix Repeater. The Repeater sounds like > > the choice tool, with better sound quality, sampling > > time, and flexibility (while just fitting into my > > price range). I'd use it for guitar, voice, and any > > other instruments lying around. Can I get a 2nd > > opinion? Anything to make me feel better informed, > > you know. This sounds like a good point to ask some questions about Boomerangs and ELectrix stuff. Re the Rang 2nd Editon: If you have a loop running, is it possible to tap a shopter tempo, "capturing" a peice of a longer loop? Similarly, can a longer time be tapped in, capturing multiples of the original loop? Also, am I right in thinking the roller allows the user to change the feedback level, from 0-100%? Re:Electrix products: Am I right in thinking that for all their midi capabilities, there are no preprogrammable memories on the majority of Electrix processors? I mean, some of them look great (particularly the mofx) but since I need to play my guitar (which makes changing fx setting somewhat difficult), without presets it's of limited use. The webpage doesn't seem to address this anywhere... Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 05:55:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12792; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 05:54:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 05:54:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A9A35C4.5074D7C0@altruistmusic.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 02:53:56 -0800 From: Andre Lafosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jimi and Looping References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6Q_jP.A.wHD.WXjm6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim! You and me! Discussing philosophy! On Looper's Delight!? Let's do the time warp again! Kim Flint wrote: > So far as I can tell, Hendrix didn't have much (or any) influence on loop > based music. I beg to differ, beseech to disagree, and henceforth proffer an alternative perspective. > Did Hendrix influence hip-hop? Hendrix was a big influence on George Clinton (particularly the earlier Funkadelic material). It'd be hard to imagine hip-hop as we know it today without Clinton. You should also consider that Hendrix was a big proponent of the idea of music as raw sound, often divorced from the idea of melody, harmony, or rhythm. Are you familiar with his version of the Star Spangled Banner from Woodstock? Or the beginnings of "Electric Ladyland" and "Axis: Bold As Love"? You can hear the seeds of ambient, industrial, and loads of other modern, abstract styles in there. There's a very strong case to be made for Hendrix and Hip-hop being two different stages along a continuum of music that deals at least as much with timbre and sonic character as it does with melody and harmony. And Jimi's music was being called "noise" almost 20 years before Public Enemy came along. > kraftwerk, house, and > numerous other electronic dance spin-offs? Listen to Mitch Mitchell's drumming in the breaks between verses on the song "Fire." It sounds like a totally contemporary drum & bass rhythm. I'll also mention the ambient and industrial connections again, because it's important enough to bear repeating. > The various tape loop and > soundscape/ambient pioneers? Oh my. He was a HUGE influence on your own personal favorite bespectacled British prog-rock guitar loop icon. (I think Fripp once described King Crimson as being his way of wondering what Hendrix would sound like playing Bartok). Mr. Torn certainly seems to have absorbed a lot from Hendrix; his covers of "Voodoo Child" and "Up From The Skies" are two obvious examples, and I'm sure I've heard him talk about this influence at length in much greater detail. > or Dub? Kim, my dear fellow, have you actually checked how profoundly flipped out the production work is on those original Hendrix studio albums? I'm no dub expert by any means, but I would be VERY surprised if Lee Perry hadn't listened to his fair share of Hendrix in his formative years. > He played rock > music, which mostly avoided/derided loops and samples for decades while the > ideas developed elsewhere. What about Can? Or the Fripp/Eno collaborations? Or (don't kill me, Kim!) Frippertronics? Or David Byrne and Eno BUILDING their own sampler for "My Life In The Bush of Ghosts"? Or Michael Gira running a footswitch-controlled tape deck into a bass amp during Swans gigs in the early '80s? Or all the New Wave music that used sampled drum sounds -- almost always looped on a drum machine? > From my perspective, Hendrix is just another over-nostalgized baby boomer > icon that I'm tired of hearing about. I don't blame you, Kim. I can understand where you're coming from. I do think it's important to actually try to set aside the hype and listen to the guy, though (which you have done, as you say). You don't have to dig his stuff, but I do think it's worth taking a good long look at some of the less immediately apparent seeds of influence. Or at least, so it seems to me... Damn, Kim, I forgot to include a raving, psychopathic, libelous mis-diagnosis of gear technicalities! Next time, I guess... Luv, Andre LaFosse | Disruption Theory | http://www.altruistmusic.com ================================================================ "A spectacular collision of manifold musical thoughts and patterns... To call Disruption Theory a futuristic album would be an understatement." (20th Century Guitar Magazine, February 2001) "His six-stringer is pumped up with energy, creating a firestorm of pyrotechnics and burning sounds, but with a sensitivity to weirdness and experimentation. Disruption Theory reveals the difference it makes when a player knows what he is doing. Here is one that deserves the title 'unique'." (Expose Magazine, October 2000) "Fripp and Zappa, step aside." (MOJO Magazine, May 2000) ========================================================= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 06:24:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13527; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 06:21:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 06:21:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [62.104.212.93] From: "Robert Eberwein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: right wing conspiracy to canonize Sir James Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:20:55 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2001 11:20:55.0737 (UTC) FILETIME=[2FAA7A90:01C09FE6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know nothing about it> I have no knowledge of that>I have no memory of that> I have no memory of having knowledge of that> know>know> no>>no> I deny it>>> I had bad advice. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 06:29:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13684; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 06:28:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 06:28:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c09fe6$ecf2bf40$9fccfc3e@default> From: "Martin Shakeshaft" To: Subject: UK any Loopers in the Midlands/Staffs Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:25:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are there any loopers in the North Midlands/Staffs area that would like to get together for a session. I play a WX11 wind controller / Yamaha VL1 / Yamaha VL70-m / Jamman / DL4 Its hard to describe the music, its sort of a ethnic, jazzy fusion. I am very influenced by Jan Garbarek and European and Asian roots music. Martin -- Martin Shakeshaft A child of five could understand this. Fetch me a child of five - Groucho Marx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 06:29:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13681; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 06:28:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 06:28:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c09fe6$e7c648c0$9fccfc3e@default> From: "Martin Shakeshaft" To: References: Subject: Re: look: it's every on-topic! Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:25:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <9NOUIC.A.QVD.32jm6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have to second everything Max has said. I also use it with a Jamman but to be honest I probably use it more. If I am going to a gig light I always use the DL4 in preference. For the money it can not be beaten....go for it and welcome to the wonderful world of looping! Martin. WX11 wind controller / Yamaha VL1 / Yamaha VL70-m / Jamman / DL4 ----- Original Message ----- From: max valentino To: Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 12:03 AM Subject: Re: look: it's every on-topic! > well...IMO nothing really compares to it in that price range. Much better > quality than the Akai Headrush. It has better sound quality than the JamMan, > and allows to do reverse and half speed/double speed loops. Sure, it is ONLY > 14 sec. of loop time (28 sec in half speed/bandwidth mode) but I have found > that to be plenty. No, it does not have MIDI...so syncing is dicy....but fun > ( I run mine with a JamMan). In addition to the looping features you also > get 15 very cool vintage delay models (from the old tube echoplex to 24 bit > DDLs). I love mine and use it constantly. A lot of band for the buck, so to > speak. Throw down the extra $$ for the expression pedal and power supply, > tho. > The thing is very user friendly.....not a lot of bells and whistles ( yes > the EDP or Repeater will do a lot more....so will 'rang I suppose) but for > the price 'tis tres cool. > Max > > > >From: keith mckenney > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" > > > >Subject: look: it's every on-topic! > >Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:30:44 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >I've read some mention of Line 5 delay mod (DL4?)---interested in hearing > >more opinions on this magic box. I don't come into 2-300 bucks of disposal > >often, so I'd like to make an informed decision. Please queue me in on pros > >& cons, etc. I'm not looking for anything too fancy...just somethin that > >loops & allows you to riff over the loop...tap features...basic stuff I > >guess. How does it compare to other boxes in the same price range? > > -thanks- > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 06:51:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13958; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 06:39:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 06:39:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A9A40B7.D659EAD5@cloud9.net> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 06:40:39 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gobs n gobs References: <200102260420.XAA04365@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3Zwp7B.A.8ZD.vBkm6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I paid $350 new for my "standard" 16-fader Peavey, have never had an accidental button trigger, and like the buttons near-at-hand at the bottom! Elby > Subject: Re: Gobs o' expression pedals > Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:30:02 -0800 > From: Will Brake > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Take a look at the offering from Kenton. The Control Freak is a great > MIDI CONTROLLER that is affordable and bullet-proof! Excellent > construction and user friendly. I think it's less expensive than the > Peavey. Plus, the button placement is at the top of the slider, no > accidental triggers! They offer two different models, the standard > 8-fader model ($350) and the studio edition 16-fader ($420). Prices > include shipping. > > check it out at the following: > > http://www.soul-fruit.com > http://www.kenton.co.uk > > I offer group discounts and will do everything I can to support your > purchase! You won't find a better source for information, repair and > modifications. > > Be Well > > Will Brake > Soul Fruit From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 07:12:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14588; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 07:00:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 07:00:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c09fec$47349320$4d624442@austin.rr.com> From: "Jimmy George" To: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" , , "stofft" References: <00ce01c09f95$a15f6160$4d624442@austin.rr.com> <021f01c09fe2$1c8557e0$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Boomerang vs. Repeater Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 06:04:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Re the Rang 2nd Editon: > If you have a loop running, is it possible to tap a shopter tempo, > "capturing" a peice of a longer loop? nope. not unless you have another rang, or a dl4 etc. next to the v2. Similarly, can a longer time be > tapped in, capturing multiples of the original loop? nope again. Also, am I right in > thinking the roller allows the user to change the feedback level, from > 0-100%? nope. the roller does have a wet/dry mix function in the tap echo mode. my friend bruce, who i've added into the note, has suggested that mike add perhaps another roller for this function or the option of an expression pedal. the manual option to change the rates is nicer than the old rang but a roller to effect this parameter would be real sweet. bruce stofft i believe i've added you onto this note with. the v2 is not a cut and paste sampler. the v2 has two independent loops that can be recorded and layered upon. it is a very intuitive tool. the v2 upgrade fixed the low sample rate problem. now at 24 the rang compares to the edp, repeater and the dl4. there is more diversity in your set up options with the v2 when targeting certain buttons that have multi function capabilities. for example your dual looping capabilities come from the once/ab button. in one programming mode the button acts as a play loop once and stop button. in the ab mode you have the option of the dual loop and even an option that will automatically play the b loop once then jump back into the a mode. as opposed to switching to b and having it infinite repeat until you hit your loop a button again. you have feedback options at 1, 4, 6, 9, 12, over 20 and infinite (you cannot change these rates on the fly. you must stop and enter the options mode.). you can also set the half speed mode to hit a number of pitches, down a 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th and a whole octave. (i mainly use the whole octave mode.) ( unlike the dl4 you cannot enter half speed mode when in play mode. you must stop hit half speed then start play again.) if the manual for the v2 is listed on loopers delight it will explain easily all the v2 functions. you can also email mike nelson direct at mnelson@boomerangmusic.com . he normally monitors this list but has had to take some time off for personal reasons. he does not like "which looper should i buy?" questions though. fyi. the rang is not midi. for what it is, a great real time live sampler that has just enough functions to keep it interesting and challenging on stage and at home, the rang is the best bet for me. one year when i have more time, haha, on my hands i will purchase an edp, repeater to see what all the fuss is about. my learning curve time allowance is too thin these days for such a new endeavourer. best wishes and good luck with your choices. either way you can't go wrong. get them both if and when you can. i eventually will. for now the rang forfills my needs above and beyond at home and on stage. if you have any rang set up questions feel free to contact me. peace jimmy george http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com > > Re:Electrix products: > Am I right in thinking that for all their midi capabilities, > there are no preprogrammable memories on the majority of Electrix > processors? I mean, some of them look great (particularly the mofx) but > since I need to play my guitar (which makes changing fx setting somewhat > difficult), without presets it's of limited use. The webpage doesn't seem > to address this anywhere... > > Mike > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 07:24:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14886; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 07:23:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 07:23:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c09fef$7f512b80$4d624442@austin.rr.com> From: "Jimmy George" To: References: <00ce01c09f95$a15f6160$4d624442@austin.rr.com> <021f01c09fe2$1c8557e0$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> <001801c09fec$47349320$4d624442@austin.rr.com> Subject: Re: Boomerang vs. Repeater Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 06:27:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the roller is a designated volume controller. i did not address that before. jimmy george http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy George To: Michael P. Hughes, PhD ; ; stofft Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 6:04 AM Subject: Re: Boomerang vs. Repeater > > > Re the Rang 2nd Editon: > > If you have a loop running, is it possible to tap a shopter tempo, > > "capturing" a peice of a longer loop? > > nope. not unless you have another rang, or a dl4 etc. next to the v2. > > Similarly, can a longer time be > > tapped in, capturing multiples of the original loop? > > nope again. > > Also, am I right in > > thinking the roller allows the user to change the feedback level, from > > 0-100%? > > nope. the roller does have a wet/dry mix function in the tap echo mode. my > friend bruce, who i've added into the note, has suggested that mike add > perhaps another roller for this function or the option of an expression > pedal. the manual option to change the rates is nicer than the old rang but > a roller to effect this parameter would be real sweet. > > bruce stofft i believe i've added you onto this note with. > > the v2 is not a cut and paste sampler. the v2 has two independent loops that > can be recorded and layered upon. it is a very intuitive tool. the v2 > upgrade fixed the low sample rate problem. now at 24 the rang compares to > the edp, repeater and the dl4. > > there is more diversity in your set up options with the v2 when targeting > certain buttons that have multi function capabilities. for example your dual > looping capabilities come from the once/ab button. in one programming mode > the button acts as a play loop once and stop button. in the ab mode you have > the option of the dual loop and even an option that will automatically play > the b loop once then jump back into the a mode. as opposed to switching to b > and having it infinite repeat until you hit your loop a button again. > > you have feedback options at 1, 4, 6, 9, 12, over 20 and infinite (you > cannot change these rates on the fly. you must stop and enter the options > mode.). you can also set the half speed mode to hit a number of pitches, > down a 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th and a whole octave. (i mainly use the whole octave > mode.) ( unlike the dl4 you cannot enter half speed mode when in play mode. > you must stop hit half speed then start play again.) > > if the manual for the v2 is listed on loopers delight it will explain easily > all the v2 functions. you can also email mike nelson direct at > mnelson@boomerangmusic.com . he normally monitors this list but has had to > take some time off for personal reasons. he does not like "which looper > should i buy?" questions though. fyi. > > the rang is not midi. for what it is, a great real time live sampler that > has just enough functions to keep it interesting and challenging on stage > and at home, the rang is the best bet for me. one year when i have more > time, haha, on my hands i will purchase an edp, repeater to see what all the > fuss is about. my learning curve time allowance is too thin these days for > such a new endeavourer. > > best wishes and good luck with your choices. either way you can't go wrong. > get them both if and when you can. i eventually will. for now the rang > forfills my needs above and beyond at home and on stage. > > if you have any rang set up questions feel free to contact me. > > peace > > jimmy george > http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com > > > > > > Re:Electrix products: > > Am I right in thinking that for all their midi capabilities, > > there are no preprogrammable memories on the majority of Electrix > > processors? I mean, some of them look great (particularly the mofx) but > > since I need to play my guitar (which makes changing fx setting somewhat > > difficult), without presets it's of limited use. The webpage doesn't seem > > to address this anywhere... > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 09:15:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17385; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:14:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:14:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <04b401c09ffd$28b6ba20$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <1.5.4.32.20010215193520.0068ddc8@subnet.virtual-pc.com> <000201c09824$9d6bb4a0$17b46fd4@y5w2s5> <010b01c0983e$55ca4ed0$080210ac@jpalmer> <000201c09a43$043d81c0$fa936fd4@y5w2s5> <023201c09acb$61ee7530$080210ac@jpalmer> <01a801c09c3d$d3f9de80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <001e01c09c49$9c6eb2e0$a30018ac@jnpr.net> <002b01c09c4a$c3071c70$a30018ac@jnpr.net> <07d101c09d2d$96179170$080210ac@jpalmer> <000201c09d7c$54a3cb60$77926fd4@y5w2s5> <097201c09da7$692dea90$080210ac@jpalmer> <034901c09daa$c8d0c460$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <0b3701c09dad$9049c2b0$080210ac@jpalmer> <035b01c09db7$602aaf40$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <0b7701c09dd8$c5004580$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: Looper Construction Kit (was Re: 1U PC for Kyma) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:05:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jim! Please excuse my late response. Work has been murder for me too! > hey, i understand wanting to protect your work, > and i would have no qualms about throwing in some cash... Thank you! I probably over-reacted to your original message and felt more need to justify a commercial venture than was called for. > > Microsounds are little chunks of DSP assembly code. ... >> . . . > i gather you can't just assemble them and distribute the objects? You'd think so, but no. I think Kyma assembles the code directly into a non-relocatable form, i.e., there isn't a linker/loader. At least that's my supposition... > can't wait to get some giant loop clouds going... > multidimensional loop-scapes? > whatever and ever... Yes! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 09:18:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17510; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:16:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:16:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.163.54.55] From: "Denis Aldrich" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: More on Jimi James Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:15:46 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2001 14:15:46.0342 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C8DC460:01C09FFE] Resent-Message-ID: <4sYl-C.A.dRE.5Umm6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If any body is interested, Dr. John's biography called "Under the Hoodoo Moon" mentions Jimi James days with Little Richard. It is interesting reading for other reasons also or more so. He does drop a LOT of names through out the book. I don't think he had any thing to do with loops other than being looped a lot. Denis _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 10:06:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18770; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:03:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:03:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <04b501c0a004$17a6e1e0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Looper Construction Kit (was Re: 1U PC for Kyma) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:55:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Landman" > Would it be possible to post some descriptions of what your new looping > algorythms do? I'm sure that both Kyma users (howevere many there are) and > non-Kyma users alike would be interested in seeing what you've come up > with. Pardon my delayed (and verbose) response...It's hard to describe without giving some info on Kyma so I'll do that first for those folks who aren't familiar with it. A Kyma system consists of a rack-mounted propriatary signal processor (the Capybara) attached to a host computer. The Capybara contains analog and digital I/O (4 or 8 channels), a MIDI interface, and a bunch of DSP (4 to 28). The host computer is either a Windows or Mac machine. You could call Kyma a graphical programming environment for sound processing. On the host computer screen, you specify a signal flow diagram which looks like little boxes connected with lines. Each little box is a signal processing do-dad such as a filter, delay line, mixer, attenuator, etc. So connecting them on the screen is like wiring up a set of real devices. Kyma provides over 1000 basic do-dads for your signal processing nirvana. You can use Kyma at several different levels depending on you knowledge and experience. First, the Kyma folks at Symbolic Sound provide A LOT of examples that do marvelous things. You can simply use their examples and tweak on the parameters. Second, you can rearrange or draft your own signal flow diagrams. Third, you can combine standard do-dads (ok...they're really called Sounds with a capital S) into new objects. Fourth, you can write some Smalltalk code and seriously extend the user interface. And finally, you can write your own Sounds in DSP assembler. Now my Looper Construction Kit (LCK) consists of several new Sounds, many of which are highly optimized DSP code chunks. My hope is that with the LCK you can build nearly any kind of looper you want. It has several Sounds which support recording, overdubbing, and playback. Some of these provides synchonization features down to the sample point level. I have built true quad loopers, for example, that take four inputs and simultaneously loops them. You can build Undo loopers that perform an undo function like the EDP. Likewise with the EDP Multiply function. You can also construct a "Divide" function which fragments a loop (the inverse of the EDP Multiply). Some LCK Sounds provide features like zero-crossing adjustment of recorded sounds. Several of the LCK Sounds, which I group under the name "EDP Assistant", integrate the use of one or more EDPs. You can move loops back and forth from the Kyma system to the EDP, for example, or from the EDP to the host computer's hard drive. You can convert MIDI program change commands to the appropriate EDP note on/off commands so that you can use a greater variety of MIDI footswitches to control the EDP. Depending on the feature set of the Repeater, I'd like to build a similar "Repeater Assistant" that would let you easily integrate Kyma, EDPs, and Repeaters. But that's for the future. Hope this answers your questions. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 10:45:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19558; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:43:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:43:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:42:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Non Loop: Ah, Jimmy, we hardly knew ya. From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010225185723.007d03f0@pop.ici.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Apologies, but I can't help myself: In 1966 I burned a brand new white Jaguar headstock this way. Kids, it's not worth it!! David Lee Myers pulsewidth.com ----------------------------------------------------- "Ourobouros" CD of new Feedback Music available now on Pulsewidth! In NYC at Downtown Music, Kim's Mondo, and Other Music, and through Forced Exposure, Anomalous, Wayside, Electronic Music Foundation, Recommended, and Staalplaat. on 2/25/01 6:57 PM, Tim Nelson at tcn62@ici.net wrote: > At 06:50 PM 2/25/01 -0500, you wrote: >>> [Did anyone else used to think it was cool to hold your cig in your > strings, >>> at the top of your guitar neck?]. >> >> Keith Richards, Ron Wood. > > And tons of country guys for years but it was only after Eddie Van Halen > made it fashionable that the number of used guitars you'd see in stores > with burn marks on 'em went way up. > > Boy, are we off-topic here.... > > -t > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 11:27:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20843; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:24:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:24:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.71] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:22:36 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2001 16:22:36.0621 (UTC) FILETIME=[54A22FD0:01C0A010] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi again....There have been some questions about the DL4 from folks looking to invest their hard earned currency in an easy-to-use looper. I really do have to recommend the DL4. It is very useful, versatile, and easy to use. And to echo another on the list....very portable. My "Pack-it-up easy" rig is my bass to a Line 6 MM4, a Line6 DL4 and amp. While it does not have all the features of JamMan, EDP, or Repeater it does have some very cool features in a very easy to use format. It has GREAT sound quality, it is rugged and reliable.....and very affordable. Just a little story about mine: I have a grant to teach music and Calif. State prisons (oh, the things we do to avoid getting a real job). In November I was asked to do a short "tour" of some institutions and play several concerts as a solo bassist. I wanted to do loop/bass stuff, but for security concerns was not allowed to bring rack mounted things in...pedals were OK, tho.(easier to open up and search for contarband I guess). I had demo'd and was intrigued by the DL4 (My friend Rick Walker had raved about it) so I tried to get one...really fast. Ordered from the internet Mars Music.com.I had about a week before the "tour" started.... it arrived pronto. But it was defective. Made some crazy-assed noise like the Ring Modulator from Hell (which was, in a David Torn sort of way, cool....but not what I needed). I contacted MArs to get a new one, but the corporate red tape said that they had to get the bad DL4 back before they could send me out a new one. One of their Cust. Service reps said maybe Line6 could help me out. He contacted Line 6 for me and within an hour of that Line 6 called me at home. I explained my dilemma. It was now thurs. afternoon and my first show was to be that coming Monday. I was readying myself to do a tour of my best Jonas Hellborg solo acoustic bassist imitations. Line 6 asked to hear the defective unit over the phone....asked about batteries or AC, and had I done a reset. Then they asked how soon I needed a replacement. My response was by tomorrow. Well, Friday morning FedEx showed up with a brand new DL4 coutesy of Line6. They had overnighted it to me, and told me to send the bad one back to them at my convienience. Sure, Line6 is a big corporate monster....but they bailed me out of a jam, and took a "chance" that I would give them their defective unit. Sure, didn't cost them anything, but it gave them my respect. They broke a standard returns protocol to help out a musician..... No, I do not have an endorsement with them, nor do I work for them. I thought that I might pass on a tidbit of how one corporate musical monster does really care about their products and customer satisfaction; that is willing to take a stand behind their products. I wonder if Gibson would be willing to do such for an EDP user? In short...for the money, you can't go wrong snagging a DL4. You will love it! Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 11:33:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21193; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:31:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:31:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c0a00d$9272f400$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" From: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" To: Jimmy George , Loopers-Delight , stofft References: <00ce01c09f95$a15f6160$4d624442@austin.rr.com> <021f01c09fe2$1c8557e0$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> <001801c09fec$47349320$4d624442@austin.rr.com> Subject: Re: Boomerang vs. Repeater Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:02:50 -0000 Organization: University of Surrey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <6D2Ru.A.YKF.ySom6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Firs, Thanks Jimmy for the explanation of the Rang v2... it's cleared a lotof questions up. My present setup is as follows; I use a JamMan. Rather than being in loop mode, I run it as a tap-tempo delay with the feedback set to 1 (ie no feedback) and the mix set to 100% (only delayed signal coming out). I run my signal into the L input (the JM sums to mono), out the L output (after a suitable delay), through a volume pedal, back into the R input, and finally out via the R output. A footswitch (actually an old distortion pedal with the volume right down) controls whether or not the device is recording. This all has many advantages: (1) the obvious one - full feedback control (2) you can change the loop length on the fly, grabbing parts of the loop and looping them (by tapping a new loop shorter than the last with the feedback full up) or containing multiples of the original loop (by tapping longer than the original loop with the fb full up). (3) The tap and record functions are separated. However, it has two big downsides: (1) It's impossible to get exactly unity (100%) feedback by balancing the input and output levels; it's always either just under (eventually stuff fades out) or slightly over (gets progressively louder). (2) The JM isn't exactly designed as a foot pedal! It takes up loads of space on the floorboard and sits in a nest of spaghetti. Now what I'm after is something to simplify the whole rig. I don't need MIDI or anything else, just little more than a tap-tempo delay with feedback which can be altered between 0 and 100% exactly (like a hold button or something). I know the EDP will do exactly what I want, but it will also do a million other things I'd never use and besides I can't afford one. MIDI control of the JM would also help if the MIDI control chart had been something sensible (like all between 1-10). It's great they keep producing all these new toys, but it seems the one thing I want to get keeps being missed.... Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 11:46:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21518; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:44:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:44:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20010226104325.00812a70@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:43:25 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Jimi In-Reply-To: <20010226090239.96275.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Refreshing. M.. At 01:02 AM 2/26/01 -0800, you wrote: >One nice thing about being an old fart is having >memories that encompass the before and after of >certain events.... > >remembering popular music before the Beatles > >seeing the Beatles for the 1st time on "Ed Sullivan" > >waiting on pins & needles for my big sister to bring >home the lastest Beatles LP > >and, to get back on the OT > >hearing Hendrix for the first time & going what the >hell was that?! > > >Studying earthquakes is not the same as feeling the >earth move. > > > >===== >John Tidwell > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 12:54:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23331; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:42:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:42:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:32:46 -0800 Subject: Re: Boomerang vs. Repeater From: Jamie Drouin To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 2/25/01 5:47 PM, PaulPokr@aol.com at PaulPokr@aol.com wrote: > I also wonder how usable the first batch of the Repeaters will be (i.e. > potential major software bugs). And that's exactly why we will not ship Repeater until everything is solid. later, Jamie. Jamie Drouin Visual Designer for Electrix (a division of IVL Technologies Ltd) 6710 Bertram Place, Victoria, BC, V8M 1Z6 Canada email... jamie@electrixpro.com fax... 250-544-4102 voice... 250-544-4114 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 12:55:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23976; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:52:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:52:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A9A96E6.72AD1F99@ernieball.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:48:22 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: EDP Noise References: <200102261129.GAA13803@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all- My EDP is very noisy, making a loud buzzing sound even when it isn't connected to my sound system. Is this typical? My EDP has had its power supply replaced recently due to overheating problems, and I suspect that this is where all the noise is coming from. I have an idea that it may be related to the relatively large (by modern standards) amount of hum that accompanies any looped audio. Does anybody else have any experience with this problem? -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 13:00:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24218; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:57:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:57:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: mp3 spamifacation Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:56:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2001 17:56:06.0852 (UTC) FILETIME=[64978040:01C0A01D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And yet another mp3 from They Must Be Mad! Check it out, & tell me what ya think! www.mp3.com/theymustbemad Song: "improvisation nolongerthan40minutes" This one is kind of short for us, clocking in at about 5min 30sec. Thanks for listening! Pete. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 13:19:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25054; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:15:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:15:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater concepts Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:14:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rainer, Version 1.0 of the Repeater beta manual is up on our site now. Just go to the products section, click on Repeater in the left hand menu and there is a link for the new manual (It's still missing the illustration). You'll see we have addresses some of your MIDI concerns already. As for the file system stuff....Are you talking about using the files on your PC? >going through the 0.8 manual again, I thought about some >concepts/ideas/improvements with regard to Repeater. Perhaps you could >consider them for inclusion (in a later software release) or tell me why >this won't work/isn't implemented ? Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 13:29:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25317; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:26:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:26:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010226100208.021339a0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:23:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Boomerang vs. Repeater In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jamie Drouin (09:32 AM 02/26/01) wrote: >on 2/25/01 5:47 PM, PaulPokr@aol.com at PaulPokr@aol.com wrote: > >> I also wonder how usable the first batch of the Repeaters will be (i.e. >> potential major software bugs). > >And that's exactly why we will not ship Repeater until everything is >solid. Sometimes I just don't know what people want... There's so much bitching and moaning in this industry from folks when a product gets released early and turns up buggy. Then there's so much bitching and moaning from folks when a product is held by the manufacturer in order to make sure that it's right. It seems far and between that someone can appreciate when a manufacturer actually says that they need more time. Jamie (and Damon and all you guys)... Take your time. I've had a standing order placed with my favorite retailer since I first saw Repeater at Summer NAMM last year. You can't please everyone with your timeline, but I'll be one to wait for as long as it takes. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 13:41:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25614; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:38:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:38:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c0a023$63db7480$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: <200102261129.GAA13803@hemlock.violacea.com> <3A9A96E6.72AD1F99@ernieball.com> Subject: Re: EDP Noise Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:38:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No sir- sounds like something is wrong with your box- mine doesen't produce any obvious noise at all- and what do you mean when it isn't connected to your sound system? Like a transformer hum? That's definitely not normal imo- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Lindauer" To: Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 9:48 AM Subject: EDP Noise > Hello all- > > My EDP is very noisy, making a loud buzzing sound even when it isn't > connected to my sound system. Is this typical? My EDP has had its > power supply replaced recently due to overheating problems, and I > suspect that this is where all the noise is coming from. I have an idea > that it may be related to the relatively large (by modern standards) > amount of hum that accompanies any looped audio. Does anybody else have > any experience with this problem? > > -Hans > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 13:49:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25861; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:46:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:46:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: RE: EDP Noise Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:48:56 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001201c0a023$63db7480$7bb387d8@cliff> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8u3PkC.A.kTG.aRqm6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > > My EDP is very noisy, making a loud buzzing sound even when it isn't > > connected to my sound system. Is this typical? Have you recently replaced the memory? If the noise is REALLY loud, it could be a problem with one of your memory sticks. Do you have other memory you can test it with? Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 13:50:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25908; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:48:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:48:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: Boomerang vs. Repeater Message-ID: <0056910010544152000002L122*@MHS> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:49:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 02/26/01 12:36:52" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA25871 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am soo tired of hearing about a piece of gear that doesn't even exist yet! Are we here to talk about making music? Or is it really about the remote possibility of making music at some point in the distant future? Brother Dog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 13:53:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26127; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:51:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:51:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:51:05 EST Subject: Re: Boomerang vs. Repeater To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <33.1129dd62.27cbff99@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bugs can be a fact of life for a product no matter WHEN the product ships. For a complex device like the Repeater, it's almost a given that there WILL be some bugs in the initial release no matter what pre-release testing is done. How many complex software-based products don't have some anomalies when originally shipped. Some we live with (like the NextLoop bug with the EDP whereby MIDI sync gets hosed when NextLoop is selected with timing copy only). Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 13:54:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26212; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:52:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:52:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010226105135.014dee40@mail.well.com> X-Sender: dog@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:51:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: dan mcmullen Subject: repeater loop multiply limitation? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:14 AM 2/26/01 -0800, Damon wrote: >Version 1.0 of the Repeater beta manual is up on our site now. anyone else bothered by the requirement shown in the manual that after Loop Multiply one must overdub or record through the entire new (& potentially long) loop? this seems to make it awkward to do a short overdub at the beginning of a just multiplied loop & impossible to resample a part of a multiplied loop. myself, i'd like multiply to take effect immediately. am i missing something here? ___ dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 13:54:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26299; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:53:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:53:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A99CEA6.5BBC@earthlink.net> References: <3A995DC1.7EA@earthlink.net> <000801c09f73$abb9a660$1b86893e@simes> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:42:16 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Jimi Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:34 PM -0800 2/25/01, scott kungha drengsen wrote: >I >don't think one can consider David Torn,Bill Frissell,Terje Rypdal,Nels >Cline,or I guess part of what I'm saying is that people like that are interesting in terms of using a guitar in conjunction with loops, but in the overall scheme of loops used in music, they seem rather minor in comparison to others. >Gibson's interest or ability to sell the Echoplex without some >acknowlegdement of Hendrix. Well, I was actually there for Gibson's decisions regarding the echoplex, and I can assure you that Hendrix' name did not come up. If we had been thinking Hendrix, we would have been making vintage wahs and fuzz pedals since that was the big trend in music gear at the time. A lot of people there were very much involved in "new music" or whatever we've decided to call it, and the influence of composers like Paul Dresher, Pauline Oliveros, Eno, Terry Riley, etc was much more a part of their thinking. Another big part of it was the obviously huge role that hip-hop and electronic dance music and dj-culture were playing in the music world by the early 90's. Much of what we were working on revolved around real-time electronic instruments, intended for performing. It seemed natural that all of this loop and sample-oriented popular music was going to influence various instrumentalists to want to do these things live, so a real-time sampler/looper seemed like a great product idea to connect to that. I would say somebody like Al Jourgenssen would be much more of an influence there at a guitar company, since he was one of the first people really making it popular for heavily guitar oriented music to make major use of sampling and loops. So our line of thinking was more, "hey, you can do Ministry live!" And lastly, the echoplex was just ridiculously fun to use, and everybody who saw it thought it was a blast, and that seemed like reason enough.... Now I suppose you could make some Hendrix connection there if you try hard enough (six degrees of jimi....), but it was really pretty far removed from anybody's mind. If anything we were going the opposite way: get away from the vintage thing and create something new that reflects modern trends in music. Well, that's not 100% correct when I think about it. Adding reverse was definitely a Hendrix backwards-guitar sort of an idea. But if you know about the crazy way reverse is implemented on the echoplex, you can tell that it was an afterthought. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 14:06:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27154; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:04:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:04:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:02:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Jimi Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:35 PM -0800 2/25/01, PaulPokr@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 2/25/01 10:56:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, >chambrad@valinet.com writes: > ><< For me, Hendrix is just another guy in a > > documentary on the history channel, like say, Louis Armstrong. I listened > > to it as music history education, and that was about it. That's probably > > true for most people under the age of 35....................... >> > >I don't know. How many boxed sets of Creed's, Fuel's, Filter's, Marilyn >Manson's, Kid Rock's, et al will they be selling 25 years from now? Most of >today's popular music can't hold a candle to Hendrix's and others of his era. >That's why people are still listening to it. Don't be so sure, Mr Marsalis. In 25 years, the current young generation will be in charge of VH-1, classic rock radio programming, film studios, etc. If they behave like the baby-boomers, they will produce loads of documentaries glorifying the great coming of Kid Rock and Limp Bizkit, and how music was dull and dead before they descended from the sky to change everything. They will play these things over and over again on VH-1 until everybody believes it. they will fill the radio waves with it. They will make lists of the 100 best rock songs ever with "nookie" at the top. And then they will release special edition Kid Rock box sets that will launch to the top of the charts as aging Gen-Xers rush out to buy it and romanticize their youth. That business model works great now, why give it up? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 14:12:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27334; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:09:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:09:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:00:48 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boomerang vs. Repeater In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010226100208.021339a0@mail.redmoon-music.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <0o06sD.A.gqG.vmqm6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Mark Pulver wrote: > >And that's exactly why we will not ship Repeater until everything is > >solid. > > Sometimes I just don't know what people want... > > There's so much bitching and moaning in this industry from folks when a > product gets released early and turns up buggy. Then there's so much > bitching and moaning from folks when a product is held by the manufacturer > in order to make sure that it's right. > > It seems far and between that someone can appreciate when a manufacturer > actually says that they need more time. I have 3 nephews in the age range of 2-6 and they tend to be more patient and well behaved than a lot of the folks I've seen whining about the Repeater delays - and if you go back in time a bit - the EDP software upgrades. Hell, if I was working on a looping product, I wouldn't say a word about it on here lest my inbox get jammed with "WHEN'S IT GOING TO BE READY, HUH?" messages. The last thing the looping community needs to do is to piss off the people who are making us our toys, because if you piss them off enough, they might decide that future development just isn't worth the hassle of the thankless task of dealing with a bunch of impatient brats. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 14:18:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27534; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:16:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:16:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000901c09ee7$f0829ea0$f3980fce@com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:14:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Jimi Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:00 PM -0800 2/24/01, Stephen Bradley and Kristen Chamberlin wrote: >In a message dated 2/25/01 10:56:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> chambrad@valinet.com writes............. > >hey that wasn't me you were quoting, but kim..... > >I was the add - on at the end of that message.... > >and while we're having at it for the white, stoned guitar gods of the 60's, >are we "not psyched" about Pete Townsend, or David Gilmour for that matter? > I guess from my perspective, if you wanted to point to a 60's rock icon that had an influence on looping and sampling in pop music, the Beatles would seem a better choice. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 14:21:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27656; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:18:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:18:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jimi Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:17:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2001 19:17:27.0112 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1741480:01C0A028] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com God save us! >Don't be so sure, Mr Marsalis. In 25 years, the current young generation >will be in charge of VH-1, classic rock radio programming, film studios, >etc. If they behave like the baby-boomers, they will produce loads of >documentaries glorifying the great coming of Kid Rock and Limp Bizkit, and >how music was dull and dead before they descended from the sky to change >everything. They will play these things over and over again on VH-1 until >everybody believes it. they will fill the radio waves with it. They will >make lists of the 100 best rock songs ever with "nookie" at the top. And >then they will release special edition Kid Rock box sets that will launch >to the top of the charts as aging Gen-Xers rush out to buy it and >romanticize their youth. That business model works great now, why give it >up? > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 14:25:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27826; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:22:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:22:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <014c01c09fd9$a196ad20$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:20:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: look: it's every on-topic! Resent-Message-ID: <6nQU1D.A.sxG.Qzqm6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:51 AM -0800 2/26/01, Michael P. Hughes, PhD wrote: >Max:> well...IMO nothing really compares to it in that price range. Much >better >> quality than the Akai Headrush. It has better sound quality than the >JamMan, >> and allows to do reverse and half speed/double speed loops. Sure, it is >ONLY >> 14 sec. of loop time (28 sec in half speed/bandwidth mode) but I have >found >> that to be plenty. > >Am I right in thinking it has fixed feedback? > >Mike that's right. to me that's the biggest limitation of the dl-4. Without a live feedback control you can't easily evolve a loop from one point to another. You can only build it up with overdubs, and then kill that loop and start another. I think some reviews of looping performances have complained of that, there tended to be jarring discontinuities from one loop to another and things did not flow together so well. I assume those performances were done with loopers like the dl-4 that don't have a feedback control. To me, feedback control is such a fundamental technique of looping that not having it is like painting without the color blue. I'm consistently amazed at how many looping devices come out and don't have this feature. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 14:33:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28075; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:31:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:31:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010226193048.5166.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:30:48 -0800 (PST) From: keith mckenney Subject: Re: look: it's evern on-topic! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-124100929-983215848=:4786" Resent-Message-ID: <2eC7n.A.j2G.s7qm6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-124100929-983215848=:4786 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii re: the dl4 and limited feedback--could that not be overcome by an expression pedal? --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. --0-124100929-983215848=:4786 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii re: the dl4 and limited feedback--could that not be overcome by an expression pedal?


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Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. --0-124100929-983215848=:4786-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 14:47:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28485; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:44:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:44:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:40:54 -0500 (EST) From: noah X-Sender: fishmong@aint-got-nothin.mit.edu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: look: it's evern on-topic! In-Reply-To: <20010226193048.5166.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, keith mckenney wrote: > re: the dl4 and limited feedback--could that not be overcome by an expression pedal? Not exactly. I loop with the DL4, keyboards, samplers, and other mysterious things. I do transitions for the most part by sustaining a complex, rhythimic tone or texture or melody, and fade out the previous loop with the mixer (if I have a free hand) or the expression pedal on the DL4, stop the loop, start a new loop of what i'm doing without hearing the output from the dl4, then fade out the note while bringing up the dl4 level and pray I looped it right. Needless to say, this is a pain in the ass. If I had feedback control, I could fade out the previous loop without killing the output of the DL4, and I could monitor the new loop while creating it. -><- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 16:11:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31039; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:09:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:09:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: look: it's evern on-topic! Message-ID: <0056910010549398000002L182*@MHS> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:10:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 02/26/01 15:00:01" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA31001 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com re: the dl4 and limited feedback--could that not be overcome by an expression pedal? No, the expression pedal can only modify parameters that already exist as knobs, and feedback isn't one of these. Output volume, but not feedback. Brother K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 16:18:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31281; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:16:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:16:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: Boomerang vs. Repeater Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:20:05 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The last thing the looping community needs to do is to piss off the people > who are making us our toys, because if you piss them off enough, they > might decide that future development just isn't worth the hassle of > the thankless task of dealing with a bunch of impatient brats. Really? I haven't seen any indication that Electrix minds the whining all you good folks are doing. Why should they? You folks represent the first guaranteed sales of the Repeater! It's a small price to pay for a certain sale, don't you think? If you're tired of waiting, stop whining and do what I did - buy an EDP. It's good for what ails you. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 16:50:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32142; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:46:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:46:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: repeater loop multiply limitation? Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:46:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >anyone else bothered by the requirement shown in the manual that after Loop >Multiply one must overdub or record through the entire new (& potentially >long) loop? Multiply does take place immediately. It's just "virtual" until an overdub it done. The FIRST overdub onto the multiplied track has to complete one full loop record cycle which "flattens" the track. If you leave the overdub early Repeater will finish the cycle for you. Once the multiply is "flattened" you have no restrictions. If you record to a new track, instead of overdubbing, there are no restrictions...plus you get some very cool benefits with memory usage. i.e. You could have a 1 bar (3 second) drum loop on track 1, Multiply it out to 12 bars, record your 12 bar (36 second) guitar loop on track 2 and you have used a total of 38 seconds of memory. If you now overdub on track one and "flatten" it your memory usage would be 72 seconds. In other words you can have longer loops that take up less memory. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 17:31:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01121; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:28:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:28:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010226142541.014ecb10@mail.well.com> X-Sender: dog@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:25:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: dan mcmullen Subject: RE: repeater loop multiply limitation? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:46 PM 2/26/01 -0800, Damon wrote: >>anyone else bothered by the requirement shown in the manual that after Loop >>Multiply one must overdub or record through the entire new (& potentially >>long) loop? >Multiply does take place immediately. It's just "virtual" until an overdub >it done. The FIRST overdub onto the multiplied track has to complete one >full loop record cycle which "flattens" the track. If you leave the overdub >early Repeater will finish the cycle for you. Once the multiply is >"flattened" you have no restrictions. hmmm. still a bit confused here. i guess my question is, if i leave overdub early, can i immediately begin to work w/ the flattened track in other ways, or am i forced to wait til an entire loop completes? > >If you record to a new track, instead of overdubbing, there are no >restrictions...plus you get some very cool benefits with memory usage. >i.e. >You could have a 1 bar (3 second) drum loop on track 1, Multiply it out to >12 bars, record your 12 bar (36 second) guitar loop on track 2 and you have >used a total of 38 seconds of memory. If you now overdub on track one and >"flatten" it your memory usage would be 72 seconds. In other words you can >have longer loops that take up less memory. this is a nice touch. a followup question: if i trim a loop down from, say, 4 bars to just the 1st, then multiply, do i end up w/ 2 copies of the original 1st bar? thanks so much for your considerate & timely replies on this list Damon. ps- i'm in the "take as long as it takes to get it right" contingent. :-) ___ dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 18:18:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02911; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:16:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:16:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: repeater loop multiply limitation? Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:15:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:46 PM 2/26/01 -0800, Damon wrote: >>anyone else bothered by the requirement shown in the manual that after Loop >>Multiply one must overdub or record through the entire new (& potentially >>long) loop? >Multiply does take place immediately. It's just "virtual" until an overdub >it done. The FIRST overdub onto the multiplied track has to complete one >full loop record cycle which "flattens" the track. If you leave the overdub >early Repeater will finish the cycle for you. Once the multiply is >"flattened" you have no restrictions. >hmmm. still a bit confused here. i guess my question is, if i leave >overdub early, can i immediately begin to work w/ the flattened track in >other ways, or am i forced to wait til an entire loop completes? Yes. Unless you choose to record to a new track where you would not have to wait >a followup question: if i trim a loop down from, say, 4 bars to just the >1st, then multiply, do i end up w/ 2 copies of the original 1st bar? You got it. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 18:21:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03126; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:20:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:20:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3A995DC1.7EA@earthlink.net> <000801c09f73$abb9a660$1b86893e@simes> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:09:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Jimi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Well, that's not 100% correct when I think about it. Adding reverse was >definitely a Hendrix backwards-guitar sort of an idea. nuff said... the host of the party has spoken. time to end the jimi thread? *...now everyone...we've put everyone's keys in a bowl, so as you're leaving our little party tonight... seeya, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 18:24:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03292; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:23:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:23:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <05d901c0a04a$cc162000$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <3A995DC1.7EA@earthlink.net> <000801c09f73$abb9a660$1b86893e@simes> Subject: Re: Jimi Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:21:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, can we talk about Carlos Santana now? :) peter (no rush on the Repeater!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 6:09 PM Subject: Re: Jimi > >Well, that's not 100% correct when I think about it. Adding reverse was > >definitely a Hendrix backwards-guitar sort of an idea. > > > nuff said... the host of the party has spoken. time to end the jimi thread? > > > > *...now everyone...we've put everyone's keys in a bowl, so as you're > leaving our little party tonight... > > > seeya, > > rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 19:15:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04127; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:53:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:53:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010226235300.48703.qmail@web11207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:53:00 -0800 (PST) From: Janne "Lehtimäki" Subject: Tape echo help for a new member... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I am a new member living in Finland. Bloody cold outside at the moment I can tell you... Anyway, I´d appreciate any help on couple of things. I was recently offered an HH Electronics tape echo from 70´s(?) for approximately 140USD(1000FIM). It doesn´t have any specific model code, it just says HH Electronics. Does anyone have any experience with this machine? I haven´t had a chance to test it and might have to buy it without testing if I want it since the guy who is selling it lives in another city. It is in working condition... Secondly, I´m going to get a Dynacord tape echo which is broken. Don´t know the model yet since the guy who is donating it to me has to find it from the garage first and he doesn´t remember which model it is. It probably needs new playback heads, tubes,rollers and possibly a new motor. These parts must be hard to find nowadays. Does anyone know any parts that are manufactured/available today that could be used instead of original parts and where could these spare parts be found? Same goes for Klemt Echolette which I might get my hands on as well. Any help appreciated... Thanks, Janne __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 20:25:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07225; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:23:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:23:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:13:20 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Footswitch Final Cost; also FS300 Options To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0e1601c0a05a$795a5d80$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <200102241631.LAA14581@hemlock.violacea.com> <3A986416.B08BC55B@cloud9.net> <000c01c09f4f$533ccc20$ee0c78d8@prelayomb> <002701c09fb2$c8be8ca0$360c78d8@prelayomb> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <-yCt9D.A.uwB.dFwm6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Is this doable? Wire two FS300s with resistors and mix the two footswitches > to a mono output, then send 'em to the EDP footswitch input? you don't have to mix it. a splitter cable will work or better yet add another jack in parallel on one of them and piggyback them... where are you guys finding all these fs300's? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 20:35:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07595; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:34:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:34:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:25:12 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Looper Construction Kit (was Re: 1U PC for Kyma) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0e4401c0a05c$21c8d860$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <04b501c0a004$17a6e1e0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > You can build Undo loopers that perform an undo function like the > EDP. Likewise with the EDP Multiply function. You can also construct a > "Divide" function which fragments a loop (the inverse of the EDP Multiply). what about redo? i have really wished it was there on the edp... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 20:57:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08058; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:55:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:55:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:45:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1xjDUD.A.s9B.Kkwm6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Max, Thanks for your comments on the DL4...i will second his kudos to L6's support department...they swapped out my DL4 real quick, too and trusted me to mail back my original. I am too fascinated by the DL4 and it's straightforward simplicity, but lately have been increasingly frustrated in real-time situations. How are you guys dealing with this? For example. If i'm in loop mode, and i set the expression pedal to control the mix...fine...now what if i catch a loop, bring back the mix a bit to drop the loop down in volume...then bend down...turn up the pre-delay to bring in a wash. If i touch that expression pedal, now...the predelay is going to be effected by that move...somehow...it all depends on "where that pedal was when you moved which knob". It's worse in delay mode. As soon as you touch any knobs...you're pretty much #*%!!&*'ed, are you not? then you can't really touch the expression pedal, or it starts manifesting any changes you made to the knobs. Also, what if you bring up a delay preset, but then need to change the tap tempo...shit, we've gone over this before...the new tap tempo is assigned to 'one' position of the pedal, and not the other...try adjusting your MIX now (if that's what it's been set to control)...you will get a fully whacked sound as your tap tempo goes from the 'saved' one to the 'new' one you tapped in. Furthermore...switching delay patches is wierd. Let's say i have a multi-head delay going, and i want to fade the mix out, then bring in a reverse delay, as soon as i turn the model knob...i get sound! the mix is all the way down...but when you go to the new model...it's own 'preset' settings of the knobs, including the mix, comes up...so you're quickly grabbing the mix knob to turn it down by touching it really quick. I have been enjoying it more as a tabletop delay modeler for recording than anything else, lately...but then, i've been just recording more than playing live, lately. which brings up another question...the DL4's inputs are very sensitive and it is easy to clip it. If i'm using it in the fx loop of my mixer, should i run the fx send all the way up, then use some sort of level switcher to bring it down to passive level, then into the DL4, then back to a couple of input channels? Or should i just barely turn up the fx send in order to keep from clipping, then bring back the output from the DL4 to the fx returns (this is the way i've been doing it lately, with semi-satisfactory results...can't seem to get a real full delay sound) any thoughts would be helpful, rich >Hi again....There have been some questions about the DL4 from folks >looking to invest their hard earned currency in an easy-to-use >looper. I really do have to recommend the DL4. It is very useful, >versatile, and easy to use. And to echo another on the list....very >portable. My "Pack-it-up easy" rig is my bass to a Line 6 MM4, a >Line6 DL4 and amp. While it does not have all the features of >JamMan, EDP, or Repeater it does have some very cool features in a >very easy to use format. It has GREAT sound quality, it is rugged >and reliable.....and very affordable. >Just a little story about mine: I have a grant to teach music and >Calif. State prisons (oh, the things we do to avoid getting a real >job). In November I was asked to do a short "tour" of some >institutions and play several concerts as a solo bassist. I wanted >to do loop/bass stuff, but for security concerns was not allowed to >bring rack mounted things in...pedals were OK, tho.(easier to open >up and search for contarband I guess). I had demo'd and was >intrigued by the DL4 (My friend Rick Walker had raved about it) so I >tried to get one...really fast. Ordered from the internet Mars >Music.com.I had about a week before the "tour" started.... it >arrived pronto. But it was defective. Made some crazy-assed noise >like the Ring Modulator from Hell (which was, in a David Torn sort >of way, cool....but not what I needed). I contacted MArs to get a >new one, but the corporate red tape said that they had to get the >bad DL4 back before they could send me out a new one. One of their >Cust. Service reps said maybe Line6 could help me out. He contacted >Line 6 for me and within an hour of that Line 6 called me at home. I >explained my dilemma. It was now thurs. afternoon and my first show >was to be that coming Monday. I was readying myself to do a tour of >my best Jonas Hellborg solo acoustic bassist imitations. Line 6 >asked to hear the defective unit over the phone....asked about >batteries or AC, and had I done a reset. Then they asked how soon I >needed a replacement. My response was by tomorrow. Well, Friday >morning FedEx showed up with a brand new DL4 coutesy of Line6. They >had overnighted it to me, and told me to send the bad one back to >them at my convienience. >Sure, Line6 is a big corporate monster....but they bailed me out of >a jam, and took a "chance" that I would give them their defective >unit. Sure, didn't cost them anything, but it gave them my respect. >They broke a standard returns protocol to help out a musician..... >No, I do not have an endorsement with them, nor do I work for them. >I thought that I might pass on a tidbit of how one corporate musical >monster does really care about their products and customer >satisfaction; that is willing to take a stand behind their products. >I wonder if Gibson would be willing to do such for an EDP user? >In short...for the money, you can't go wrong snagging a DL4. You will love it! >Max >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 21:05:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08661; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:04:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:04:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <021f01c09fe2$1c8557e0$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> References: <00ce01c09f95$a15f6160$4d624442@austin.rr.com> <021f01c09fe2$1c8557e0$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:54:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Electrix interfaces (was: Boomerang vs. Repeater) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Re:Electrix products: >Am I right in thinking that for all their midi capabilities, >there are no preprogrammable memories on the majority of Electrix >processors? I mean, some of them look great (particularly the mofx) but >since I need to play my guitar (which makes changing fx setting somewhat >difficult), without presets it's of limited use. The webpage doesn't seem >to address this anywhere... > >Mike yeah, no presets. i guess you could think of this as a drag, but they're just different beasts. For me, they act and feel like stomp boxes, and you 'play' them as such. I haven't really gotten upset that there's no presets on a BigMuff, or an MXR flanger, or my digitech delay. The Electrix stuff seems to have that sort of immediacy and playability designed into them...at the sacrifice of led screens and presets and such. i got a chance to mess about with a korg ms2000 modelling synth with a Electrix WarpFactory and a MOFX hooked up to it...didn't touch a preset and goofed for almost an hour...what fun. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 21:16:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08924; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:14:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:14:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.161.234.182] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jimi Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:13:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2001 02:13:05.0973 (UTC) FILETIME=[D22C4650:01C0A062] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, can we talk about Carlos Santana now? :) peter Me: At this point, I'm ready to talk about anybody other than another guitarist. :) Paolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 21:45:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09546; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:44:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:44:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010227024349.35962.qmail@web9107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:43:49 -0800 (PST) From: John Malcolm Subject: Re: Jimi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <1pQHSC.A.nUC.nRxm6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, here I am writing about an off-topic. Firstly a confession, or so it might seem in a time when prejudice against age is rife. I am 51 years old. This means I heard Jimi before I heard post-Jimi music. I am very reluctant to idealise anyone, but the sheer power of his sound, compared to the creampuff, stuff getting around (at least in mass circulation) was a total liberation. When one artist makes a quantum leap it does inspire others to try to do so in THEIR OWN WAY as much as it spawns a myriad of imitators. If you hear Jimi after his imitators, of course he does not sound so revolutionary. My playing does not owe much to Jimi but my enthusiasm to find ground breaking ideas does. Of course Les Paul had some amazing live sound on sound stuff going on really early on, triggering (tape) "samples" from his guitar. I am trying to one-up anyone, but since recently joining the forum would like to thank all contributors for broadening my mind. more power to you all! John --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 11:32 AM -0800 2/25/01, scott kungha drengsen > wrote: > > We wouldn't have this forum if it weren't for Jimi > Hendrix. > > well, I created LD, and I have pretty much no > interest in Jimi Hendrix and > hardly ever listened to him. I think I can fairly > authoritatively state > that Looper's Delight would still exist even if > Hendrix never had! > > So far as I can tell, Hendrix didn't have much (or > any) influence on loop > based music. Did Hendrix influence hip-hop? no. > kraftwerk, house, and > numerous other electronic dance spin-offs? no. The > various tape loop and > soundscape/ambient pioneers? or Dub? not that I know > of. He played rock > music, which mostly avoided/derided loops and > samples for decades while the > ideas developed elsewhere. Over the past ten years > or so it seems the > opposite has happened, rock has been influenced by > the looping cultures to > reinvent itself a few more times. > > From my perspective, Hendrix is just another > over-nostalgized baby boomer > icon that I'm tired of hearing about. Sorry if that > bothers some of you, I > don't mean it with disrespect of the guy. That was > music of my parent's > generation. (although my parents never listened to > him either.) I never > really heard that stuff growing up, and it didn't > mean much to me when I > did listen to it as an adult. For me, Hendrix is > just another guy in a > documentary on the history channel, like say, Louis > Armstrong. I listened > to it as music history education, and that was about > it. That's probably > true for most people under the age of 35, and those > are the people mostly > creating loop-based music... > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 22:05:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10696; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:04:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:04:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010227030336.46840.qmail@web9101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:03:36 -0800 (PST) From: John Malcolm Subject: Re: Jimi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20010226090239.96275.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HEAR this again: --- John Tidwell wrote: > > > Studying earthquakes is not the same as feeling the > earth move. > ===== > John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 22:10:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10828; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:07:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:07:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c0a06a$35b7f640$f20c78d8@prelayomb> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: Problems with Line6 DL4 in Realtime? Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:05:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Buy two of them--they are cheap! BTW, I bought one and fooled with it, but then the EDP I had ordered arrived, and I decided (just like Mr. Lawson said!) that I needed to learn how to control that first. Also, I wonder if Line 6 will follow up with a rack mount, MIDI controllable delay modeler? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 22:32:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11384; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:30:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:30:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010227033031.26375.qmail@web9104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:30:31 -0800 (PST) From: John Malcolm Subject: moving loop boundaries/ a tale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had a lot of fun with this technique using dinosaur Atari ST's and Notator software. Other hardware/software could easily do the same thing. It applies to midi loops, and probably only to home studio circumstances. 1 record a linear piece, pretty short, copy it a few times so it is already a kind of loop 2 set the Cycle parameters so the piece cycles between for example (start of ) bar 1 and bar 9 3 run the midi out to a second Atari or some other midi recorder. 4 while the master plays to the slave, shift the boundaries of the cycle in real time, so figuritively speaking; "the fat brown fox jumped over the lazy black dog" could become "the fat the fat the fat brown fox the fat brown fox jumped fox jumped fox jumped fox jumped over fox jumped over over over the lazy black dog lazy black dog black dog black dog dog the fat dog the fat" ...etc can you dig it? maybe modern computers with 2 programs running at once could handle this internally. I read somewhere a story in which the philosopher was talking to the king about repetition. PH: If I now say there is a lion in the courtyard, what would Your Majesty think? K: I would not believe it. PH: And if a guard should then say there is a lion in the courtyard? K: I would doubt it. Ph: And if a third person were to say the same? K: I would think there might be a lion in the courtyard. So if you have a message, "drum it in." John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 22:37:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11563; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:35:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:35:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010227033457.40691.qmail@web9107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:34:57 -0800 (PST) From: John Malcolm Subject: Re: UK any Loopers in the Midlands/Staffs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003001c09fe6$ecf2bf40$9fccfc3e@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5Z8gCC.A.a0C.iBym6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Think global. I am very interested in the style you describe. In the near future when my home system is up and running I hope you will send some music down under and I would like to layer something to it and send it back. John ( Australia ) --- Martin Shakeshaft wrote: > Are there any loopers in the North Midlands/Staffs > area that would like to > get together for a session. I play a WX11 wind > controller / Yamaha VL1 / > Yamaha VL70-m / Jamman / DL4 > > Its hard to describe the music, its sort of a > ethnic, jazzy fusion. I am > very influenced by Jan Garbarek and European and > Asian roots music. > > Martin > > -- > Martin Shakeshaft > > A child of five could understand this. Fetch me a > child of five - Groucho > Marx > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 22:46:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11730; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:45:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:45:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010227034447.57249.qmail@web9101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:44:47 -0800 (PST) From: John Malcolm Subject: Re: Boomerang vs. Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0056910010544152000002L122*@MHS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <16u0iD.A.F3C.vKym6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have no time to sharpen my axe, look how busy I am with my wood chopping. --- kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com wrote: > I am soo tired of hearing about a piece of gear that > doesn't even exist yet! > > Are we here to talk about making music? Or is it > really about the remote > possibility of making music at some point in the > distant future? > > Brother Dog > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 22:47:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11834; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:46:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:46:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010227034620.29749.qmail@web9103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:46:20 -0800 (PST) From: John Malcolm Subject: Re: Boomerang vs. Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <33.1129dd62.27cbff99@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The question is, will the manufacturer fix the bugs at no further cost to the consumer? --- PaulPokr@aol.com wrote: > Bugs can be a fact of life for a product no matter > WHEN the product ships. For a complex device like > the Repeater, it's almost a given that there WILL be > some bugs in the initial release no matter what > pre-release testing is done. How many complex > software-based products don't have some anomalies > when originally shipped. Some we live with (like the > NextLoop bug with the EDP whereby MIDI sync gets > hosed when NextLoop is selected with timing copy > only). > > Regards, Paul > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 22:53:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12117; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:52:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:52:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010227035143.25603.qmail@web9105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:51:43 -0800 (PST) From: John Malcolm Subject: RE: Boomerang vs. Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com " We'd have a nice little business here if it wasn't for all these annoying customers." --- Kevin Mulvihill wrote: > > The last thing the looping community needs to do > is to piss off the people > > who are making us our toys, because if you piss > them off enough, they > > might decide that future development just isn't > worth the hassle of > > the thankless task of dealing with a bunch of > impatient brats. > > Really? I haven't seen any indication that Electrix > minds the whining all > you good folks are doing. Why should they? You folks > represent the first > guaranteed sales of the Repeater! It's a small price > to pay for a certain > sale, don't you think? > > If you're tired of waiting, stop whining and do what > I did - buy an EDP. > It's good for what ails you. > > Kevin > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 26 23:51:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14291; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:48:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:48:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A9B2C9D.D6458E37@cvn.net> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:27:09 -0500 From: JEFF LASORSA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: please remove me its too much email although i love it thanks lasorsa@cvn.net References: <20010227034447.57249.qmail@web9101.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please remove me unsubscribe lasorsa@cvn.net thanks John Malcolm wrote: > I have no time to sharpen my axe, look how busy I am > with my wood chopping. > --- kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com wrote: > > I am soo tired of hearing about a piece of gear that > > doesn't even exist yet! > > > > Are we here to talk about making music? Or is it > > really about the remote > > possibility of making music at some point in the > > distant future? > > > > Brother Dog > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 01:17:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16409; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:15:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:15:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010227061417.67122.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:14:17 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: RE: repeater loop multiply limitation? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damon wrote: ----------- It's just "virtual" until an overdub it done. The FIRST overdub onto the multiplied track has to complete one full loop record cycle which "flattens" the track. If you leave the overdub early Repeater will finish the cycle for you. Once the multiply is "flattened" you have no restrictions. ---------- Damon, for the above context, will you define 'virtual' , 'flattens', and 'finish the cycle for you' I don't understand them. Or should I RTFM? thanks, bret --- "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" wrote: > >anyone else bothered by the requirement shown in the manual that > after Loop > >Multiply one must overdub or record through the entire new (& > potentially > >long) loop? > Multiply does take place immediately. It's just "virtual" until an > overdub > it done. The FIRST overdub onto the multiplied track has to complete > one > full loop record cycle which "flattens" the track. If you leave the > overdub > early Repeater will finish the cycle for you. Once the multiply is > "flattened" you have no restrictions. > > If you record to a new track, instead of overdubbing, there are no > restrictions...plus you get some very cool benefits with memory > usage. > i.e. > You could have a 1 bar (3 second) drum loop on track 1, Multiply it > out to > 12 bars, record your 12 bar (36 second) guitar loop on track 2 and > you have > used a total of 38 seconds of memory. If you now overdub on track one > and > "flatten" it your memory usage would be 72 seconds. In other words > you can > have longer loops that take up less memory. > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 02:43:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17892; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:41:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:41:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010227030336.46840.qmail@web9101.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010226090239.96275.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:38:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Jimi Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:03 PM -0800 2/26/01, John Malcolm wrote: >HEAR this again: >--- John Tidwell wrote: >> >> >> Studying earthquakes is not the same as feeling the >> earth move. > that is no doubt true, but it is also a sad thing when somebody is so caught up in their first earth moving experience that they never notice all of the times the earth moved after that. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 02:49:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA18090; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:48:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:48:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0e1601c0a05a$795a5d80$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <200102241631.LAA14581@hemlock.violacea.com> <3A986416.B08BC55B@cloud9.net> <000c01c09f4f$533ccc20$ee0c78d8@prelayomb> <002701c09fb2$c8be8ca0$360c78d8@prelayomb> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:45:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Footswitch Final Cost; also FS300 Options Resent-Message-ID: <1KOB.A.TaE.Ou1m6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:13 PM -0800 2/26/01, jim palmer wrote: >> Is this doable? Wire two FS300s with resistors and mix the two footswitches >> to a mono output, then send 'em to the EDP footswitch input? > >you don't have to mix it. >a splitter cable will work >or better yet add another jack in parallel >on one of them and piggyback them... that's right. making your own echoplex pedal is very simple. Just put the switches + resistor in parallel with each other. connect that to the echoplex pedal jack with an ordinary mono cable and you can control all of the echoplex's functions. With the two FS300s just use a splitter as Jim said - that puts them in parallel with each other. We designed it this way on purpose, so that all the smarts were inside and anybody could easily make a custom pedal for themselves. See the instructions at: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 03:13:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18939; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 03:11:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 03:11:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "J. Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Jimi Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 00:09:34 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's right. Steve Howe, Robert Fripp, John McLaughlin, David Gilmour, Allan Holdsworth, etc., you fill in the blanks. | -----Original Message----- | From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] | Sent: Monday 26 February 2001 11:39 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: Re: Jimi | | | At 7:03 PM -0800 2/26/01, John Malcolm wrote: | >HEAR this again: | >--- John Tidwell wrote: | >> | >> | >> Studying earthquakes is not the same as feeling the | >> earth move. | > | | that is no doubt true, but it is also a sad thing when somebody is so | caught up in their first earth moving experience that they | never notice all | of the times the earth moved after that. | | kim | | | ______________________________________________________________________ | Kim Flint | Looper's Delight | kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com | | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 04:06:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20219; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 04:01:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 04:01:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000401c09f40$4323d900$0301a8c0@SATAN> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 00:58:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater concepts Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:31 AM -0800 2/25/01, Rainer Straschill wrote: >2. MIDI control > >The concept for MIDI control as outlined in the 0.8 version is in my eyes a >little bit unflexible. 1) you can't use program change messages to control >the Repeater. Doing so would allow a user using say the simple Boss FC-50 >foot controller to use the program change buttons to select tracks and then >use the externally controlled footswitches (sending CCs) to >start/stop/record/whatever. doing that also violates the midi standard! Also, it means that electrix would then be stuck with never being able to implement presets in their device because program change messages are then used for something else. This is the same dillema we faced with the echoplex. Should we implement presets, or should we support crappy midi pedals in some ridiculously limited fashion? In the end, we decided that presets were too important a feature to give up, and trying to do everything with program change messages was impossible. Some of you need to face the fact that the simple-minded midi pedals designed for changing a multi-effect preset on one midi channel cannot control sophisticated devices. Give in and buy a real midi controller.... >And MIDI note messages: again, based on the track concept mentioned above, >MIDI note on/off messages could be configured to load/play a certain track >in a defined track position in your running loop. I.e. MIDI notes 1-32 would >load tracks 1-32 into the first track in the loop, and so on with the >remaining MIDI notes for the remaining tracks in the loop. Configurable, >MIDI note on to start, MIDI note off to stop the track, or MIDI note on as a >on/off toggle. MIDI velocity (or polyphonic aftertouch) could control the >volume level for the corresponding track. And, of course, control of any >functions (recording et al) via MIDI notes > >The idea: thus, you could use a keyboard (or better still, a MIDI bass >pedal) to select prerecorded loops sample-player-style, and then use another >foot controller (or the bass pedal as well) to record loops on top of >this... FWIW, this is basically what the echoplex's loop triggering and samplerstyle features let you do, minus the multiple tracks. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 04:34:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20918; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 04:32:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 04:32:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006e01c0a09f$57597aa0$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" From: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" To: Loopers-Delight References: Subject: but wait... what's THIS? Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:26:18 -0000 Organization: University of Surrey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Probably missed during my lurk period: in the latest Guitarist magazinearticle on NAMM, there is mention of a Boss RC20 Loop Station footpedal. An ad takes up the story: "easy to use yet powerful phrase recording pedal with Loop Quantise and realtime Tempo Change. 5min30sec sample time, store up to 10 looped phrases, 3 inputs, sample reverse." Recommended price $400ish. The pic shows a big 2-pedal floorbox. But.... does it have controlable feedback??? Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 04:50:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21141; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 04:48:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 04:48:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006e01c0a09f$57597aa0$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:46:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: but wait... what's THIS? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:26 AM -0800 2/27/01, Michael P. Hughes, PhD wrote: >Probably missed during my lurk period: in the latest Guitarist >magazinearticle on NAMM, there is mention of a Boss RC20 Loop Station >footpedal. An >ad takes up the story: "easy to use yet powerful phrase recording pedal >with Loop Quantise and realtime Tempo Change. 5min30sec sample time, store >up to 10 looped phrases, 3 inputs, sample reverse." Recommended price >$400ish. The pic shows a big 2-pedal floorbox. > >But.... does it have controlable feedback??? no. check the archives for other comments. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 05:01:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21354; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 04:56:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 04:56:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006201c0a0a3$84267480$067d7d7d@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <20010226090239.96275.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Jimi Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:56:09 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nah, that's like saying that artists in the past 15 years have been as ground-breaking as Hendrix was. You said it yourself, it's a hype process that claims that its progenitors have fallen from the skies, yes? Doesn't mean it's actually the case in the least. A sampled guitar isn't a guitar. One plays a guitar - one can only "play" a sample in the conceptual sense. This doesn't mean there isn't creativity involved, to avoid the obvious flak from this. But it's like comparing a 7.2 quake with a 4.1 - there's a noticeable difference. Doesn't mean they weren't both earthquakes, but hey! If you'd never felt a 7.2 before and moved to CA right before experiencing a 4.1, which would you count as the most dramatic? The one people were telling you about, or the one you went through yourself? Perspective, again, ahenh. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery.html - Online Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! > At 7:03 PM -0800 2/26/01, John Malcolm wrote: > >HEAR this again: > >--- John Tidwell wrote: > >> > >> > >> Studying earthquakes is not the same as feeling the > >> earth move. > > > > that is no doubt true, but it is also a sad thing when somebody is so > caught up in their first earth moving experience that they never notice all > of the times the earth moved after that. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 05:12:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA21914; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 05:09:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 05:09:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:08:25 +0000 Subject: Feedback control From: Steve Lawson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>Not exactly. I loop with the DL4, keyboards, samplers, and other mysterious things. I do transitions for the most part by sustaining a complex, rhythimic tone or texture or melody, and fade out the previous loop with the mixer (if I have a free hand) or the expression pedal on the DL4, stop the loop, start a new loop of what i'm doing without hearing the output from the dl4, then fade out the note while bringing up the dl4 level and pray I looped it right. Needless to say, this is a pain in the ass. If I had feedback control, I could fade out the previous loop without killing the output of the DL4, and I could monitor the new loop while creating it.<<< Just to throw a vote in for the pedal brigade, I'm happier having expression pedal control over feedback than I am with a preset feedback control. I love being able to use the expression pedal to fade in and out, and to bring the loop level up and down so I can 'trade licks' with the loop, with the loop running continuously but being brought up in volume between the phrases that I'm playing. feedback control is a nice feature, but it's not vital, and if it was a choice between expression pedal control or variable feedback, I'd go with the expression pedal... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 07:01:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA23601; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 06:48:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 06:48:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A9B941F.7054B30A@cloud9.net> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 06:48:48 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bugs and waiting References: <200102270125.UAA07337@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In fact, there are software products with large install bases that have had bugs for *years* without being corrected; MS Word comes to mind (grrrrr. Don't get me started ). I want to weigh in with the 'wait until you get it right, Damon" folks. My Repeater is on order, and I'll make do with other toys until its ready. Then I'll join the folks that shift their whining to "when are we going to get feature X" :) Elby > > Subject: Re: Boomerang vs. Repeater > Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:51:05 EST > From: PaulPokr@aol.com > To: > > Bugs can be a fact of life for a product no matter WHEN the product > ships. For a complex device like the Repeater, it's almost a given > that there WILL be some bugs in the initial release no matter what > pre-release testing is done. How many complex software-based products > don't have some anomalies when originally shipped. Some we live with > (like the NextLoop bug with the EDP whereby MIDI sync gets hosed when > NextLoop is selected with timing copy only). > > Regards, Paul > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 08:19:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25446; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:17:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:17:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <4c.114fb0b9.27cd0286@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:15:50 EST Subject: Re: Feedback control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <2Or1l.A.ENG.xi6m6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: >Just to throw a vote in for the pedal brigade, I'm happier having expression >pedal control over feedback than I am with a preset feedback control. huh, what? if the 'expression pedal control' that yer talkin' about is merely for loop 'playback volume', well..... you could use any old volume pedal for that, non? (if one feels truly pedexterous, one could use 2: 1 at output, 1 at input.....) anyway, it's clear that i don't understand this kinda 'either/or'/'rather than' approach, here..... if one has an option for controlled-feedback on the looper, then : invariably : there's an increase in the possibilities for loop-evolution-options, seeing as how 'volume' changes can always be controlled by 3rd-party volume pedals. was this thread s'posedta be equipment-specific, or something? (oh, for more descriptive 'subject-lines' in LD-threads!) sorry, maybe i missed some messages, here. best, dt / S-C the american press, on SPLaTTeRCeLL ::: OAH "Destined for cult status, this should be the guitar record of choice for electronica admirers--- or the fave electronica album for guitar fans." BillBoard Magazine (usa) "..... a chillingly wonderful instrumental CD. Brilliant stuff." Keyboard Magazine (usa) "Torn is perhaps the hippest creator of cut-and-paste music you're likely to encounter. Case in point is SPLaTTeRCeLL ::: OAH. OAH is a bold leap forward for the forces of organica--- those who believe that the hybrid of live performance & digital editing is the most exciting musical place-to-be." ReMiX Magazine (usa) "It's the kind of experience that had me shaking my head & saying, 'Holy shit, what was that?!'. Other flash guitarists can give you occasional transcendent licks, but on this (SPLaTTeRCeLL) CD, Torn gives you a 67-minute cosmic package". Alternative Press (usa) "Damn, this is one gorgeous mind-wrangle of a record!" Splendid SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn [Unable to display image] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 08:28:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25620; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:26:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:26:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <8c.2f00c34.27cd04b7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:25:11 EST Subject: Re: Jimi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com zvonar@zvonar.com writes: >This generational divide is an interesting thing. The youngsters >think the old folks' music is outdated and irrelevant and the >oldsters think the kids' music is simplistic and naive and suffers >from a lack of history. Same as it ever was. happily for me, the above does not describe my experience..... best, dt / S-C From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 08:28:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25658; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:27:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:27:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 07:26:35 -0600 Subject: Re: Repeater concepts From: Steve Ginn To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 2/27/01 2:58 AM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Some of you need to face the fact that the simple-minded midi pedals > designed for changing a multi-effect preset on one midi channel cannot > control sophisticated devices. Give in and buy a real midi controller.... > > What do you mean by this? What is the difference between a simple minded midi pedal and a real midi controller? Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 09:04:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26607; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:02:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:02:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A9BDCDF.956FBEDC@home.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:59:11 -0800 From: Will Brake Organization: Soul Fruit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater concepts References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------BBD5BA56ADEDA6B6D16D08B6" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BBD5BA56ADEDA6B6D16D08B6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some transmit only program change information. The more complex boxes (like the Kenton Control Freak), transmit pitch bend, note on/off, etc. That's it in a nutshell Be Well Will Brake Soul Fruit Steve Ginn wrote: > > on 2/27/01 2:58 AM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > Some of you need to face the fact that the simple-minded midi pedals > > designed for changing a multi-effect preset on one midi channel cannot > > control sophisticated devices. Give in and buy a real midi controller.... > > > > > > What do you mean by this? What is the difference between a simple minded > midi pedal and a real midi controller? > > Steve --------------BBD5BA56ADEDA6B6D16D08B6 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="wbrake.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Will Brake Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="wbrake.vcf" begin:vcard n:Brake;Will tel;work:248-583-1856 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http//www.soul-fruit.com org:Soul Fruit adr:;;2900 Rochester Road;Royal Oak;Michigan;48073;USA version:2.1 email;internet:wbrake@home.com title:Owner fn:Will Brake end:vcard --------------BBD5BA56ADEDA6B6D16D08B6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 09:38:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27272; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:36:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:36:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c0a0cb$3e377140$b0cf0a3e@hiroshi> From: "Maurizio Buttari" To: "Loopers delight" Subject: new Mp3.com site Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:40:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0A0D3.9C15EC80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Messaggio in formato MIME composto da piů parti. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0A0D3.9C15EC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi loopers, Come and listen to my loop based stuff on = http://www.mp3.com/MaurizioButtari Let me know... ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0A0D3.9C15EC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0A0D3.9C15EC80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 09:53:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27581; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:48:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:48:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <05c201c0a0ca$fc5af030$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <04b501c0a004$17a6e1e0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <0e4401c0a05c$21c8d860$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: Looper Construction Kit (was Re: 1U PC for Kyma) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:38:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > what about redo? > i have really wished it was there on the edp... Yes, redo is there. The Undo example in the LCK gives the complete sound structure (signal flow) so you can customize it however you want. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 10:07:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28417; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:04:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:04:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <061601c0a0cd$52b46db0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater concepts Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:55:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Some of you need to face the fact that the simple-minded midi pedals > designed for changing a multi-effect preset on one midi channel cannot > control sophisticated devices. Give in and buy a real midi controller.... Amen to that! In a pragmatic sense, this is the difference between a effect unit and a musical instrument. The FX unit can be controlled simply by program change commands. A musical instrument requires more sophisticated and subtle commands. Arguably, that criteria makes the EDP and Repeater musical instruments. And I think they are. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 10:14:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28602; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:12:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:12:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.165.24.21] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:11:24 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2001 15:11:24.0564 (UTC) FILETIME=[8CB3C540:01C0A0CF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: rich >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 >Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:45:13 -0800 > > >Thanks for your comments on the DL4...i will second his kudos to L6's >support department...they swapped out my DL4 real quick, too and >trusted me to mail back my original. Hey, that's pretty cool. So I am not all alone with recving "Good" CS. >I am too fascinated by the DL4 and it's straightforward simplicity, >but lately have been increasingly frustrated in real-time situations. >How are you guys dealing with this? For example. If i'm in loop >mode, and i set the expression pedal to control the mix...fine...now >what if i catch a loop, bring back the mix a bit to drop the loop >down in volume...then bend down...turn up the pre-delay to bring in a >wash. If i touch that expression pedal, now...the predelay is going >to be effected by that move...somehow...it all depends on "where that >pedal was when you moved which knob". Hmmmm.....y'know I set mine so the pedal controls both loop volume and predelay time (and rate). Then I leave it alone. Pedal down...little or no delay with no repeats and maybe a bit of modulation...but the volume down (if not off). Watching Steve Lawson really opened my ears to "playing" the volume of the loop. Pedal up: delay and repeats....maybe the same mod rate on the echoes, and volume cranked. Then I toggle between those and don't screw with the dials in performance. Not that I don't wanna screw with those little screwable dials..it's just too much memory strain tryin' to figure out where I am. I think it's best to set up a couple of sounds and then work with those. >It's worse in delay mode. As soon as you touch any knobs...you're >pretty much #*%!!&*'ed, are you not? then you can't really touch the >expression pedal, or it starts manifesting any changes you made to >the knobs. Also, what if you bring up a delay preset, but then need >to change the tap tempo...shit, we've gone over this before... > >Furthermore...switching delay patches is wierd. Let's say i have a >multi-head delay going, and i want to fade the mix out, then bring in >a reverse delay, as soon as i turn the model knob...i get sound! try putting some of your most favorite and usable delay sounds into the memory programs...yes, I know there's only three! It will remember the pedal positions as part of that program too. Use the pedal to toggle 'tween different sounds of a single delay model, and the footswitches to change programs.....messing with the dials in a performance situation can be nightmarish (unless that hanging-by-a- thread, flying-by-the-seat-of-yer-pants element of danger is yer thing...and I would personally like to thank Mr. Torn for inspiring that in my playing). With only three memory locations, you're gonna have to learn how to program this puppy well. I am always changing what I have in those slots dependent upon what my set might be, how I feel, or if I might wish the fx to "inspire" a type of improvisation or performance. > >I have been enjoying it more as a tabletop delay modeler for >recording than anything else, lately...but then, i've been just >recording more than playing live, lately. which brings up another >question...the DL4's inputs are very sensitive and it is easy to clip the DL4 is designed like a stompbox. The inputs are designed for instrument level.....they don't like line level signals much (like from an aux send). You can use it this way, but in my experience the results are not optimum (but, again, I accidentally stumbled into a glorious wailing noise by doing this). Watch the output lvl of yer send and keep it down...way down. > >If i'm using it in the fx loop of my mixer, should i run the fx send >all the way up, then use some sort of level switcher to bring it down >to passive level, then into the DL4, then back to a couple of input >channels? Or should i just barely turn up the fx send in order to >keep from clipping, then bring back the output from the DL4 to the fx >returns (this is the way i've been doing it lately, with >semi-satisfactory results...can't seem to get a real full delay sound) I haven't tried using a "buffer" at the aux send....interesting idea, tho. Yea, your delay sound will be "challenged" running it in an aux/fx loop. Does your mixer have a rtn lvl? If not, try returning the DL4 to an open channel of the mixer. Run the DL4's output up (to get full treatment) and then ride it at the channel fader. Remember to not send any of this signal back into the same aux/fx send....unles you like that kinda thing. .....looping all the way, Max >any thoughts would be helpful, >rich > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 10:35:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29112; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:33:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:33:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AURALG@aol.com Message-ID: <11.105580d8.27cd224a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:31:22 EST Subject: help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, Weird cash crunch out of the blue. Without being taken advantage of, whaddya y'all think is a fair asking price for a Echoplex Digi pro w/198 sec of memory and pedalboard ? Takers ? KB From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 10:47:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29356; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:46:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:46:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: Repeater concepts Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:42:53 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3A9BDCDF.956FBEDC@home.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Will, I wasn't sure if my PMC10 or MFC10 were in the simple minded category or not and if so, was I missing something else out there. I can only use a controller with my feet since my hands are both in use and cannot change anything in real time. Thanks, Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: Will Brake [mailto:wbrake@home.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 10:59 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Repeater concepts > > > Some transmit only program change information. The more complex boxes > (like the Kenton Control Freak), transmit pitch bend, note > on/off, etc. > That's it in a nutshell > > Be Well > > Will Brake > Soul Fruit > > Steve Ginn wrote: > > > > on 2/27/01 2:58 AM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > > > Some of you need to face the fact that the simple-minded > midi pedals > > > designed for changing a multi-effect preset on one midi > channel cannot > > > control sophisticated devices. Give in and buy a real > midi controller.... > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean by this? What is the difference between a > simple minded > > midi pedal and a real midi controller? > > > > Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 11:04:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30176; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:02:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:02:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20010226213547.00800e80@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:35:47 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Jimi In-Reply-To: <20010227030336.46840.qmail@web9101.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010226090239.96275.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Your quote: I liked it then, I like it now. Everyone seems to have chimed in on this one - here's my say. I saw Hendrix 3 times, met him once. Way over the top. Sorry, you had to have been there. But, I'll tell you something. When I hear NIN and Rob Zombie, I'm hearing rock with as much fury, and energy and excitement and intelligence as I experienced with the Experience. These guys are making good use of the tech of today, just as Jimi did in the 60's. Some artists sort of enter a genre's gene pool. I think Jimi did. Miles. Monk. Reznor(sp?)? Zombie? Time will be the judge. Rock lives. Rock is doing fine. It's just different. Just like The Beatles. Just like Jimi. I'm happy about that. M.. At 07:03 PM 2/26/01 -0800, you wrote: >HEAR this again: >--- John Tidwell wrote: >> >> >> Studying earthquakes is not the same as feeling the >> earth move. > >> ===== >> John Tidwell > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 12:06:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32656; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:04:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:04:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c0a0e0$00bd5360$38926fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <003001c09fe6$ecf2bf40$9fccfc3e@default> Subject: Re: UK any Loopers in the Midlands/Staffs Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 07:06:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where exactly are you Martin ? My son lives in Leamington Spa and I go up to visit every now and then. Are there any looper friendly venues in that neck of the woods ? Gareth > Are there any loopers in the North Midlands/Staffs area that would like to > get together for a session. I play a WX11 wind controller / Yamaha VL1 / > Yamaha VL70-m / Jamman / DL4 > > Its hard to describe the music, its sort of a ethnic, jazzy fusion. I am > very influenced by Jan Garbarek and European and Asian roots music. > > Martin > > -- > Martin Shakeshaft > > A child of five could understand this. Fetch me a child of five - Groucho > Marx > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 12:47:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01115; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:45:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:45:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:48:05 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Donovan X-Sender: treydonovan@keops.ekabal.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jimi and Looping In-Reply-To: <3A9A35C4.5074D7C0@altruistmusic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <3WuJCB.A.MR.Le-m6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > So far as I can tell, Hendrix didn't have much (or any) influence on loop > > based music. > > What about Can? Or the Fripp/Eno collaborations? Or (don't kill me, > Kim!) Frippertronics? I realize that this thread is getting well beaten, but I just caught up on my LD mail, and noticed that it's the longest running thread in my inbox so far. Sorry if it's nauseating anyone. I heard Robert Fripp say in person and several times in interviews what a tremendous influence Jimi Hendrix was on his music, which most of us know is fairly loopy. Here's a realaudio version of one of his Hendrix stories: http://www.fripp.com/robertfrippclips/jimi.ram (By the way it's sort of about how looped music may have influenced Hendrix) So my question as regards nostalgic admiration of guitar gods, or more pointedly giant famous musicians who influenced all sorts of rip-offs, spin-offs, trends in technology, and homages ad nauseum, is this: What music is happening right now, this moment in our musical universe that has the power to influence us so profoundly that it changes our music permanently, gives us ideas and inspiration, and pushes the envelope of our creative abilities? I don't necessarily music that's produced for mass consumption, or recorded media, but real, living, breathing, devastating musical art. -trey PS Why shoudn't Kim kill Andre? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 12:53:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01281; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:51:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:51:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009b01c0a0e5$38ed88e0$5844230a@mlameyer02> X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: Jimi and Looping Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:46:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <0lniuC.A.lT.hj-m6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Because killing is really mean, and I rather like Andre, he's funny, and really well behaved. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trey Donovan" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 12:48 PM Subject: Re: Jimi and Looping > What music is happening right now, this moment in our musical universe > that has the power to influence us so profoundly that it changes our music > permanently, gives us ideas and inspiration, and pushes the envelope of > our creative abilities? I don't necessarily music that's produced for > mass consumption, or recorded media, but real, living, breathing, > devastating musical art. > > -trey > > PS Why shoudn't Kim kill Andre? > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 12:56:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01461; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:55:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:55:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:52:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Feedback control Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:08 AM -0800 2/27/01, Steve Lawson wrote: >>>>Not exactly. I loop with the DL4, keyboards, samplers, and other >mysterious things. I do transitions for the most part by sustaining a >complex, rhythimic tone or texture or melody, and fade out the previous >loop with the mixer (if I have a free hand) or the expression pedal on the >DL4, stop the loop, start a new loop of what i'm doing without hearing the >output from the dl4, then fade out the note while bringing up the dl4 >level and pray I looped it right. > >Needless to say, this is a pain in the ass. If I had feedback control, I >could fade out the previous loop without killing the output of the DL4, >and I could monitor the new loop while creating it.<<< > >Just to throw a vote in for the pedal brigade, I'm happier having expression >pedal control over feedback than I am with a preset feedback control. I love >being able to use the expression pedal to fade in and out, and to bring the >loop level up and down so I can 'trade licks' with the loop, with the loop >running continuously but being brought up in volume between the phrases that >I'm playing. > >feedback control is a nice feature, but it's not vital, and if it was a >choice between expression pedal control or variable feedback, I'd go with >the expression pedal... hmm, you kinda lost me there too. Are you confusing output volume control with loop feedback control? They are quite different from each other and serve very different purpose. Like dt was saying, output volume just needs a volume pedal or mixer, which is easy to do. Feedback on the other hand, needs to be built into the device to really do the job well. With feedback you have the power to evolve your loop from point a to point b to point c, which is a whole other degree of expression. The loop is no longer a static sample, its a steadily changing, living thing. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 13:03:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02042; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:00:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:00:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:49:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Jimi and Looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >PS Why shoudn't Kim kill Andre? what? or maybe this? Kim Flint hosts the universal Looper Festival! Come one, come all! Every looper is welcome and encouraged to attent this once-in-a-lifetime event!!! ...and then the word gets around that there's something wrong with the punch. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 13:10:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02286; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:08:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:08:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.10] From: "Pete Mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jimi and Looping & Andre Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:07:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2001 18:07:23.0119 (UTC) FILETIME=[221767F0:01C0A0E8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Because killing is really mean, and I rather like Andre, he's >funny, and really well behaved. and he eats all his vegetables, and puts up with a few too!! :) Pete. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 14:06:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08019; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:03:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:03:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A9BF9EE.4FD8CEC2@altruistmusic.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:03:10 -0800 From: Andre Lafosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: You guys kill me References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <15DIP.A.G7B.Bo_m6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Trey Donovan wrote: > PS Why shoudn't Kim kill Andre? Too kind, too kind. (And a question Kim has no doubt wondered himself, from time to time...) Gimme three steps, --A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 14:15:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10974; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:12:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:12:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008a01c0a0f1$62926e20$1e2cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <4c.114fb0b9.27cd0286@aol.com> Subject: Re: Feedback control Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:12:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: > >Just to throw a vote in for the pedal brigade, I'm happier having expression > >pedal control over feedback than I am with a preset feedback control. > huh, what? > if the 'expression pedal control' that yer talkin' about is merely for loop > 'playback volume', well..... you could use any old volume pedal for that, non? ..not unless you've got a separate pathway round the loop for whatever you're playing over the top. I've got my signal split so that the JamMan is in a separate audio path, just so that I can cut down on hiss, but the DL4 has all the signal going through it, so I need to be able to turn down the loop volume without losing what else I'm playing... > (if one feels truly pedexterous, one could use 2: 1 at output, 1 at > input.....) I've got three - one for the JamMan, one for the MPX and one for the DL4... > anyway, it's clear that i don't understand this kinda 'either/or'/'rather > than' approach, here..... > if one has an option for controlled-feedback on the looper, then : invariably > : there's an increase in the possibilities for loop-evolution-options, seeing > as how 'volume' changes can always be controlled by 3rd-party volume pedals. definitely - I guess I didn't see it as a discussion about both, but more as a response to Kim saying that a loop box without feedback control was useless. I'd love to have a DL4 with a feedback control, that would be great, but as it hasn't got it, I'm more than happy with having an expression pedal control the 'mix level', which is what it's called on the box... It also means that I can fade things out, and then back in, which you can't do with feedback, as far as I know... cheers Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com "Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight, You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight" - Bruce Cockburn March 2nd - David Friesen live in London, supported by me. gig at 8pm, jazz workshop at 2pm - see www.solobassnetwork.org.uk for more info. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 14:19:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12841; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:17:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:17:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AURALG@aol.com Message-ID: <62.c46bd9f.27cd5704@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:16:20 EST Subject: FS Echoplex Digi Pro/ 198sec/Footpedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ECHOPLEX DIGITAL PRO with 198 sec memory and Footpedal Accepting offers. Would like to get close a grand. C'mon go stereo. Thank you KB From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 14:37:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15834; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:35:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:35:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <75.10d27e54.27cd5b3d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:34:21 EST Subject: Re: F To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > if the 'expression pedal control' that yer talkin' about is merely for loop > 'playback volume', well..... you could use any old volume pedal for that, > non? non indeed, as you'll also (in this case ) be fading the dry signal. ...but yes, I'd also prefer controllable feedback andy butler (sticking up for UK loopers everywhere) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 15:01:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17084; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:59:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:59:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois (Electrix)" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: repeater loop multiply limitation? Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:58:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <5qPlxB.A.BEE.IbAn6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Damon wrote: >----------- >It's just "virtual" until an >overdub >it done. The FIRST overdub onto the multiplied track has to complete >one >full loop record cycle which "flattens" the track. If you leave the >overdub >early Repeater will finish the cycle for you. Once the multiply is >"flattened" you have no restrictions. >---------- >Damon, for the above context, will you define 'virtual' , 'flattens', >and 'finish the cycle for you' >I don't understand them. >Or should I RTFM? >thanks, >bret "Virtual"=you hear the loop as 4 bars but inside it is actually 1 bar repeated 4 times. It isn't increasing the file size at all it's just referencing the same file with an instruction to the number of multiplies. "Flatten"=That 4 bars is no longer just referencing the original 1 bar. Instead it is now a full 4 bar file-no fancy stuff. 'Finish the cycle for you'=if you stop the record Repeater would continue until the end of a full loop from where you first pressed record. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 15:26:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17711; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:25:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:25:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <9c.c096f4c.27cd66a0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:22:56 EST Subject: Re: Line6 DL4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9c.c096f4c.27cd66a0_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9c.c096f4c.27cd66a0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/27/01 10:12:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, ekstasis1@hotmail.com writes: > Not that I don't wanna screw with those little screwable dials..it's just > too much memory strain tryin' to figure out where I am. you have that problem also?.....:)m --part1_9c.c096f4c.27cd66a0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/27/01 10:12:38 AM Eastern Standard Time,
ekstasis1@hotmail.com writes:


Not that I don't wanna screw with those little screwable dials..it's just
too much memory strain tryin' to figure out where I am.  
you have that problem also?.....:)m --part1_9c.c096f4c.27cd66a0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 15:30:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17895; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:28:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:28:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c0a0fb$fcfabc60$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: <62.c46bd9f.27cd5704@aol.com> Subject: Re: FS Echoplex Digi Pro/ 198sec/Footpedal Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:28:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Seroiusly folks- you can get brand new ones for less than $800- the days of extreme demand and no supply are over- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 11:16 AM Subject: FS Echoplex Digi Pro/ 198sec/Footpedal > ECHOPLEX DIGITAL PRO with 198 sec memory and Footpedal > Accepting offers. Would like to get close a grand. > C'mon go stereo. > Thank you > KB > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 15:44:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18237; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:42:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:42:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <30.1109414e.27cd6aec@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:41:16 EST Subject: Re: Feedback control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_30.1109414e.27cd6aec_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_30.1109414e.27cd6aec_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/27/01 12:54:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > With feedback > you have the power to evolve your loop from point a to point b to point c, > one of the many things i like about the rang up-grade is its new ability to not have any feedback if so desired i.e. whatever you put into the loop is there and will not go away.....the old rang wouldnt do this, you always had the fade.....having a choice is nice.....michael --part1_30.1109414e.27cd6aec_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/27/01 12:54:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kflint@loopers-delight.com writes:


With feedback
you have the power to evolve your loop from point a to point b to point c,
which is a whole other degree of expression.


one of the many things i like about the rang up-grade is its new ability to
not have any feedback if so desired i.e. whatever you put into the loop is
there and will not go away.....the old rang wouldnt do this, you always had
the fade.....having a choice is nice.....michael --part1_30.1109414e.27cd6aec_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 17:09:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20737; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:06:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:06:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c0a10a$1c7ef0c0$9db06fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <04b501c0a004$17a6e1e0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <0e4401c0a05c$21c8d860$080210ac@jpalmer> <05c201c0a0ca$fc5af030$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Looper Construction Kit (was Re: 1U PC for Kyma) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:26:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This sounds intriguing Dennis. You realise though that you've opened a can of worms for yourself ? -When will it be shipping - can I pitch shift loops, reverse, cut up etc I've mentioned my interest to Symbolic Sound though they've yet to reply. One more thing - Can you insert stuff into feedback loops : ) Gareth > > what about redo? > > i have really wished it was there on the edp... > > Yes, redo is there. > > The Undo example in the LCK gives the complete sound structure (signal flow) > so you can customize it however you want. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 20:16:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26654; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:15:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:15:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:14:05 EST Subject: Re: Feedback control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <-7g_JC.A.IgG.DEFn6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: ah, i understand now: this was, indeed, a thread on the specifics of your current set-up..... for some reason -the subject line of the thread, maybe, & the fact that i must have missed the original posta on thisall- i thunk ye were weighing the value of 'this' ctrl against 'that' ctrl. sorry! >It also >means that I can fade things out, and then back in, which you can't do >with feedback, as far as I know... right, of course: i have that kinda control, also: by foot w/a pcm42, by hand w/the EDP. though, the feedback-control is an extremely valuable tool for loop-evolution; (i also employ the pcm42 feedback control via pedal, & the EDP feedback control is at my right hand.....) best, dt / S-C From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 20:22:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26935; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:20:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:20:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <3c.807cc30.27cdac27@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:19:35 EST Subject: Re: F To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SoundFNR@aol.com writes: >> if the 'expression pedal control' that yer talkin' about is merely for >loop >> 'playback volume', well..... you could use any old volume pedal for >that, >> non? SoundFNR@aol.com writes: >non indeed, as you'll also (in this case ) be fading the dry signal. >...but yes, I'd also prefer controllable feedback >andy butler (sticking up for UK loopers everywhere) well, i didn't understand that the context of the subject was specific to someone's particular gear; no offense intended! best, dt / S-C From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 20:26:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27188; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:24:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:24:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <15.1063219b.27cdacca@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:22:18 EST Subject: ?new EDP 198sec w/footpedal under $800.? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <_DWC3.A.UoG.bMFn6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com clifsound@mediaone.net writes: >Seroiusly folks- you can get brand new ones for less than $800- the days >of >extreme demand and no supply are over- true? you can get a new EDP w/footpedal & 198sec. for less than $800.? best, dt / S-C From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 20:42:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27915; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:40:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:40:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: ?new EDP 198sec w/footpedal under $800.? Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:44:50 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <15.1063219b.27cdacca@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com true. i just bought a new one a few weeks ago... paid $794 plus shipping. kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: Hedewa7@aol.com [mailto:Hedewa7@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 5:22 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: ?new EDP 198sec w/footpedal under $800.? > > > clifsound@mediaone.net writes: > >Seroiusly folks- you can get brand new ones for less than $800- the days > >of > >extreme demand and no supply are over- > true? > you can get a new EDP w/footpedal & 198sec. for less than $800.? > best, > dt / S-C > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 21:05:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28758; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:04:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:04:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A9C8624.701030B6@home.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:01:24 -0800 From: Will Brake Organization: Soul Fruit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Feedback control References: <30.1109414e.27cd6aec@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------BADE879961AE714D7E2737AE" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BADE879961AE714D7E2737AE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forgive my questions, but I'm coming in at the middle of all this... Are you guys talking about degenerative feedback? If so, there's no need for it to be built into the unit. I've built an external device that works great. It pulls part of the output from the unit and directs it back into the input. Full control over amount can be controlled by hand or foot. If I'm off the mark, please disregard. Be Well Will Brake Soul Fruit --------------BADE879961AE714D7E2737AE Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="wbrake.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Will Brake Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="wbrake.vcf" begin:vcard n:Brake;Will tel;work:248-583-1856 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http//www.soul-fruit.com org:Soul Fruit adr:;;2900 Rochester Road;Royal Oak;Michigan;48073;USA version:2.1 email;internet:wbrake@home.com title:Owner fn:Will Brake end:vcard --------------BADE879961AE714D7E2737AE-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 27 21:10:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28943; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:08:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:08:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <8f.777475b.27cdb776@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:07:50 EST Subject: Re: ?new EDP 198sec w/footpedal under $800.? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >true. i just bought a new one a few weeks ago... paid $794 plus shipping. sorry to be repetitive -last time, i promise-, but: w/198secs & the EDP footpedal? wherefrom? best, dt / S-C From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 00:06:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01643; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:04:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:04:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010228050352.93967.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:03:52 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: EDP, feedback & UNDO To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9H7iOD.A.TZ.5aIn6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think it's worth pointing out that on the EDP you can use the UNDO function to reverse the feedback degeneration. The EDP is so easy to use as a simple looper that I sometimes forget all the other neat stuff that it's capable of. ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 00:52:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02563; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:51:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:51:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: rabbit5@gci-net.com Reply-To: Cc: Subject: DL-4, Feedback control & the lost thread To: Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 05:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id AAA02535 Resent-Message-ID: <4nnI9C.A.2n.FHJn6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all, Funny if this is barking up the wrong alley, but the "Feedback Control" thread has been pretty sketchy on subject ; ) As to: Feedback Control on the DL-4, someone (I wish I could remember who to credit), suggested this just yesterday on a thread about another stereo looper. so here it was (applied to the DL-4): Input (guitar synth in my case) to an A/B "Y" switch. A: straight through effects to amp/mixer. B: to the DL-4 left channel input (here's the brilliant part of that thread) DL-4 left channel output --> volume pedal --> DL-4 right channel input --> right channel output --> volume control --> amp/mixer whew! Last night I read this and said to myself, "uuhhh, wha?" So I wired it up and tried it. If I strike a loop & leave it in overdub, 1: the midloop volume provides swell/feedback control 2: the use of overdub (button A) on/off allows a slow form of fade control. 3: the DL-4's built in pre-delay creates a nice control-able "loopspeed" style effect with the expression pedal. Needless to say, this formation of spaghetti on my floor has breathed a-lot of new life into this pedal (DL-4) until I buy a second looper. -William (Tucson, AZ) :Needless to say, this is a pain in the ass. If I had feedback control, I :could fade out the previous loop without killing the output of the DL4, :and I could monitor the new loop while creating it.<<< : From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 04:34:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06915; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 04:31:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 04:31:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8f.777475b.27cdb776@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 01:29:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: ?new EDP 198sec w/footpedal under $800.? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>true. i just bought a new one a few weeks ago... paid $794 plus shipping. >sorry to be repetitive -last time, i promise-, but: >w/198secs & the EDP footpedal? >wherefrom? >best, >dt / S-C it is certainly with 198 seconds, since they all ship that way now. Probably that is with the pedal too. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 08:56:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA12274; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:53:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:53:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c0a18d$cc4af8e0$cd9b56d1@up> From: "willby" To: Subject: EDP MIDI sync problem Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:53:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0A163.E2DDE100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <0RrUQB.A.o_C.JLQn6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0A163.E2DDE100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm a proud new Echoplex Digital Pro owner, which I love. However, I'm = having=20 a problem syncing the EDP to a MIDI clock coming from a drum = machine/sequencer. =20 I've got the MIDI Out of the drum machine to MIDI In of the EDP; I've = also got MIDI=20 Thru on the EDP to a separate (#2) drum machine's MIDI In. The drum machine #1/sequencer is set to generate MIDI clock & it's MIDI = channel is set to 10. Indeed when I start it & the EDP is on I can successfully = sync the second drum machine to the first drum machine's clock (can change tempo=20 on drum machine #1 & drum machine #2 matches it all day).=20 However, even though I've got the EDP set to 'Sync In' & set to 8/8s = beat & set to=20 MIDI channel 10, any loop I put in (after starting the drum machine #1 = clock) does=20 not seem to follow the tempo of the other drum machines. The loop goes = in, but=20 when I vary the tempo on drum machine #1 (which drum machine #2 happily=20 follows) the loop I've put in the EDP stays the same tempo. Any ideas as to what I may be doing wrong here? Thanks in advance for = your time. Regards, Byron willby@mindspring.com ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0A163.E2DDE100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
I'm a proud new Echoplex Digital Pro owner, = which I love.=20 However, I'm having
a problem syncing the EDP to a = MIDI clock=20 coming from a drum machine/sequencer.  =
I've got=20 the MIDI Out of the drum machine to MIDI In of the = EDP; I've=20 also got MIDI
Thru on the EDP to a separate=20 (#2) drum machine's MIDI In.
 
The drum machine #1/sequencer is set to generate = MIDI clock=20 & it's MIDI channel
is set to 10. Indeed when I start it & the EDP = is=20 on I can successfully sync the
second drum machine to the first drum machine's = clock (can=20 change tempo
on drum  machine #1 & drum machine #2 = matches it=20 all day).
 
However, even though I've got = the EDP set=20 to 'Sync In' & set to 8/8s beat & set to
MIDI channel 10, any loop I = put  in=20 (after starting the drum machine #1 clock) does
not seem to follow the tempo = of the other=20 drum machines. The loop goes in, but
when I vary the tempo on drum = machine #1=20 (which drum machine #2 happily
follows) the loop I've put in = the EDP=20 stays the same tempo.
 
Any ideas as to what I may be doing wrong here? = Thanks in=20 advance for your
time.
 
Regards,
Byron
 
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0A163.E2DDE100-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 09:37:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13505; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:35:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:35:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c0a194$432f9f00$4d624442@austin.rr.com> From: "Jimmy George" To: , "Shawn Kelly" , "stofft" References: <20010227030336.46840.qmail@web9101.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: the NEW Jimmy George Arts ... 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Best wishes, Jimmy George From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 09:50:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13951; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:49:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:49:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A9D8B2A.89DD90E1@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:35:06 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP MIDI sync problem References: <001b01c0a18d$cc4af8e0$cd9b56d1@up> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9BXo8.A.bZD.S_Qn6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > willby wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm a proud new Echoplex Digital Pro owner, which I love. However, I'm > having > a problem syncing the EDP to a MIDI clock coming from a drum > machine/sequencer. > I've got the MIDI Out of the drum machine to MIDI In of the EDP; I've > also got MIDI > Thru on the EDP to a separate (#2) drum machine's MIDI In. > > The drum machine #1/sequencer is set to generate MIDI clock & it's > MIDI channel > is set to 10. Indeed when I start it & the EDP is on I can > successfully sync the > second drum machine to the first drum machine's clock (can change > tempo > on drum machine #1 & drum machine #2 matches it all day). > > However, even though I've got the EDP set to 'Sync In' & set to 8/8s > beat & set to > MIDI channel 10, any loop I put in (after starting the drum machine > #1 clock) does > not seem to follow the tempo of the other drum machines. The loop goes > in, but > when I vary the tempo on drum machine #1 (which drum machine #2 > happily > follows) the loop I've put in the EDP stays the same tempo. > > Any ideas as to what I may be doing wrong here? Thanks in advance for > your > time. your doing fine but you are expecting too much the echoplex cannot follow tempo changes as they occur because it would mean time stretching the loop lenght on the fly wich is yet to be seen in a looper (Repeater will do that when its out) so youre stuck (as everybody btw) to one tempo per song Regards Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 10:30:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16648; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:28:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:28:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c0a19a$ee5112a0$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" From: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" To: rabbit5 , Loopers-Delight Cc: Will Brake References: Subject: Re: DL-4, Feedback control & the lost thread Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:27:13 -0000 Organization: University of Surrey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com William of Tucson:> Control on the DL-4, someone (I wish I could remember who to credit), Me! Me!! > suggested this just yesterday on a thread about another stereo looper. > so here it was (applied to the DL-4): > Input (guitar synth in my case) to an A/B "Y" switch. > A: straight through effects to amp/mixer. > B: to the DL-4 left channel input > (here's the brilliant part of that thread) > DL-4 left channel output --> volume pedal --> DL-4 right channel input --> > right channel output --> volume control --> amp/mixer > Needless to say, this formation of spaghetti on my floor has breathed > a-lot of new life into this pedal (DL-4) until I buy a second looper. Glad to help! This is what I've sort-of been doing for a while. Do you need to set the DL4 into "one shot" mode or something? Doesn't the external fb not just add to the internal fb? Another William, this time of Fruit: >Are you guys talking about degenerative feedback? If so, there's no need >for it to be built into the unit. I've built an external device that >works great. It pulls part of the output from the unit and directs it >back into the input. Full control over amount can be controlled by hand >or foot. Sounds like the same idea. As I said when I think I may have started this thread, the one drawback with this is that you can't get 100% regeneration: eventually, 99.9% will disappear and 100.1% will swell and distort. The best cheap looping device for me would be the new Zoom GFX8 which has tap-tempo delay and swell-pedal type feedback control. If it had more than 6 seconds max I'd get one today. It's frustrating, particularly when there's loads of unused memory going to waste providing 12-second phrase trainers. Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 11:15:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17919; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:09:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:09:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c0a1a0$c4a411e0$cd9b56d1@up> From: "willby" To: , References: <001b01c0a18d$cc4af8e0$cd9b56d1@up> <3A9D8B2A.89DD90E1@vtx.ch> Subject: Re: EDP MIDI sync problem Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:09:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude, Thanks for the info. I can deal with that. One of thing I was hoping would be in the EDP is a bypass switch, though I don't see on one the footswitch. Do folks usually is a separate bypass switch before the input to the EDP to switch from loop to non-loop? Regards, Byron willby@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claude Voit" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:35 PM Subject: Re: EDP MIDI sync problem > > willby wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm a proud new Echoplex Digital Pro owner, which I love. However, I'm > > having > > a problem syncing the EDP to a MIDI clock coming from a drum > > machine/sequencer. > > I've got the MIDI Out of the drum machine to MIDI In of the EDP; I've > > also got MIDI > > Thru on the EDP to a separate (#2) drum machine's MIDI In. > > > > The drum machine #1/sequencer is set to generate MIDI clock & it's > > MIDI channel > > is set to 10. Indeed when I start it & the EDP is on I can > > successfully sync the > > second drum machine to the first drum machine's clock (can change > > tempo > > on drum machine #1 & drum machine #2 matches it all day). > > > > However, even though I've got the EDP set to 'Sync In' & set to 8/8s > > beat & set to > > MIDI channel 10, any loop I put in (after starting the drum machine > > #1 clock) does > > not seem to follow the tempo of the other drum machines. The loop goes > > in, but > > when I vary the tempo on drum machine #1 (which drum machine #2 > > happily > > follows) the loop I've put in the EDP stays the same tempo. > > > > Any ideas as to what I may be doing wrong here? Thanks in advance for > > your > > time. > > your doing fine but you are expecting too much > the echoplex cannot follow tempo changes as they occur because it would > mean time stretching the loop lenght on the fly wich is yet to be seen > in a looper (Repeater will do that when its out) > > so youre stuck (as everybody btw) to one tempo per song > > Regards > > Claude > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 12:02:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20031; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:59:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:59:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20010228165856.22862.qmail@web3003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:58:56 -0800 (PST) From: john mcleod Reply-To: jmcleod@pacific.net Subject: Re: ?new EDP 198sec w/footpedal under $800.? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8f.777475b.27cdb776@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Also, some people bought one (with footpedal) from Alto in their group buy (like me..) for $680 John --- Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > > >true. i just bought a new one a few weeks ago... > paid $794 plus shipping. > sorry to be repetitive -last time, i promise-, but: > w/198secs & the EDP footpedal? > wherefrom? > best, > dt / S-C > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 12:23:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20715; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:20:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:20:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: AURALG@aol.com Message-ID: <56.7d701d8.27ce8d04@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:19:00 EST Subject: EDP w/ FP & 198 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Glad to see all the posts on the price and availability. I've been living under a rock (out of the loop) for awhile and will now price my stuff accordingly to the whims and winds of planned obsolesence. Thanks for the enlightenment Maybe I'll keep it and go stereo :) KB From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 12:35:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21194; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:33:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:33:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c0a1ac$a17dd8c0$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "MediaOne" To: References: <001b01c0a18d$cc4af8e0$cd9b56d1@up> <3A9D8B2A.89DD90E1@vtx.ch> Subject: Re: EDP MIDI sync problem Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:32:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Of course you know this is not true or as simple as that- you just have to be creative- fade a loop, fade the drums- bring in new tempo- etc- May not be your ideal but there are ways to move your groove- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claude Voit" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 3:35 PM Subject: Re: EDP MIDI sync problem > so youre stuck (as everybody btw) to one tempo per song > > Regards > > Claude > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 13:05:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22455; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:04:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:04:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB4D25D6@tiger.middlebury.edu> From: "Christensen, Mark" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: gig spam: Watts/Christensen, 3/1/01 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:02:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry 'bout the blanket nature of this... this Thursday, 3/1/01 @ The Grille, Middlebury College, Middlebury, VT who? Keith Watts (drums, strikeables, accoustic guitar) & Mark Christensen (electric and acoustic guitars, Grand Stick, loops & treatments) when & where? 9 - 11 PM in the Grille what? sound/noise/music (circle all that apply) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 13:05:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22454; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:04:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:04:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c0a1b0$ae14f920$890c78d8@prelayomb> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <001b01c0a18d$cc4af8e0$cd9b56d1@up> <3A9D8B2A.89DD90E1@vtx.ch> <005701c0a1ac$a17dd8c0$7bb387d8@cliff> Subject: Re: EDP MIDI sync problem Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:02:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <20N4SD.A.meF.41Tn6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cliff sez: > Of course you know this is not true or as simple as that- you just have to > be creative- fade a loop, fade the drums- bring in new tempo- etc- May not > be your ideal but there are ways to move your groove- > > > Gary sez: Of course there is--buy a Repeater (I want it, I want it, I want it, I want it, I want it, I want it, > > > > > >) PS Can't sell my EDP tho--too much fun G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 14:08:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24652; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:06:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:06:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A9D4C3C.CB3177B1@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:30:41 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP MIDI sync problem References: <001b01c0a18d$cc4af8e0$cd9b56d1@up> <3A9D8B2A.89DD90E1@vtx.ch> <005701c0a1ac$a17dd8c0$7bb387d8@cliff> <000b01c0a1b0$ae14f920$890c78d8@prelayomb> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary Lehmann wrote: > Cliff sez: > > > Of course you know this is not true or as simple as that- you just have to > > be creative- fade a loop, fade the drums- bring in new tempo- etc- May not > > be your ideal but there are ways to move your groove- > > > > > > Gary sez: > Of course there is--buy a Repeater > (I want it, I want it, I want it, I want it, I want it, I want it, > > > > > > >) > PS Can't sell my EDP tho--too much fun > G since they have different feature sets (and pretty swell ones at that), it only makes sense to have both, yes? lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 15:46:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27178; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:44:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:44:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010228154511.00a5d2b0@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: robert@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:46:59 -0500 To: loopers delight From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: nyc show tonite Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_964760==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_964760==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed anti:clockwise loopin large at the pink pony ludlow st,south of houston. does "free" sound good to you? ...better maybe than anything else you'll hear there, but i leave that determination up to you. a:c *************************** - just what the world needs... another frikkin url - --=====================_964760==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
anti:clockwise

loopin large at
the pink pony

ludlow st,south of houston.

does "free" sound good to you?
...better maybe than anything else you'll hear there,
but i leave that determination up to you.

a:c

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--=====================_964760==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 17:47:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31798; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:45:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:45:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c0a1d8$3291d5c0$3a2cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: Feedback control Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:39:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DT quotes then writes > steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: > > ah, i understand now: this was, indeed, a thread on the specifics of your > current set-up..... > for some reason -the subject line of the thread, maybe, & the fact that i > must have missed the original posta on thisall- i thunk ye were weighing the > value of 'this' ctrl against 'that' ctrl. > sorry! > > >It also > >means that I can fade things out, and then back in, which you can't do > >with feedback, as far as I know... > right, of course: i have that kinda control, also: by foot w/a pcm42, by hand > w/the EDP. > though, the feedback-control is an extremely valuable tool for loop-evolution; > (i also employ the pcm42 feedback control via pedal, & the EDP feedback > control is at my right hand.....) > best, > dt / S-C Yeah, Ideally you'll have both - I do like the idea of fading from one loop to the next - I've heard Eberhard Weber do this with an EDP - good effect. I create a similar effect by fading a loop by foot whilst looping with another box - ie. JamMan with loop gets faded by volume pedal, whilst stuff being played is being looped with DL4... I'd never argue for less control, though too many controls can lead to control being limited... As GAry has quoted me saying, I'm not planning on adding anything new to my setup til I'm completely conversant with what I've got - I'd rather hear someone playing with an 8 second JamMan that they knew inside out, than looping clumsily with 14 EDPs or Repeaters all linked up, as I'm sure any of us would. Once I've nailed the current set up, it'll be time for bigger boxes :o) If you're in London, this Friday I'm playing supporting David Friesen, please come along - see link below. cheers Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com "Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight, You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight" - Bruce Cockburn March 2nd - David Friesen live in London, supported by me. gig at 8pm, jazz workshop at 2pm - see www.solobassnetwork.org.uk for more info. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 18:51:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02603; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:40:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:40:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <068f01c0a1df$60df4dc0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB4D25D6@tiger.middlebury.edu> Subject: a trick Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:37:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have 2 cheap DOD DFX94 pedals that I use for looping. With no feedback control and very limited layering capabilities, they force me to try new tricks to get more out of them. Each pedal can only hold about 8 layers of overdubs before the older ones start to fade out. With this in mind, I ran pedal #1 into pedal #2, which then goes out to the amp. I filled pedal #1 with as many layers as it could hold, then dumped 'em all into pedal #2. Now pedal #2 is playing back the 8 original layers, but as far as it's concerned, it's only holding one layer in memory. So I can clear out pedal #1, fill it up again, and dump it all to #2 again. If I do this 8 times, that's 8 x 8 = 64 loops that I'm squeezing into one little pedal! Granted, there's a bit of volume loss, but the richness of the sound more than compensates. Just a cool trick to try if you have some cheap looping gear and nothing else to do until your Repeater or EDP arrives. Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 19:13:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03769; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:01:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:01:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c0a1e2$91118820$e70c78d8@prelayomb> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <000d01c0a1d8$3291d5c0$3a2cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Subject: Control Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:00:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: > > > I'm not planning on adding anything new to my setup til I'm completely conversant with what I've got Survey says you've got it down, Steve . . . Time to invest in that Repeater you've had your eye on . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 19:51:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05200; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:50:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:50:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.253.195.194] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: mp3's of last thursday's show Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:49:44 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2001 00:49:44.0866 (UTC) FILETIME=[821B6820:01C0A1E9] Resent-Message-ID: <_Xdq1D.A.3QB.IzZn6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com :) I just got this a few minutes ago. The mp3's from the performance are up. http://www.detritus.net/events/luggage_store/0201/mp3s/ I was very happy with the performance. Lots of great improvisations from electronic musicians who mostly haven't played together before. If you look at the page, here's a key to who's who, listed in the mp3's. Matt = me (Matt Davignon), turntable, CD player, and tape ECC = ECC, computer-samples triggered by homemade signal gloves. mi, or mingalls = Matt Ingalls, self-designed desktop computer sampling software sh = Steev Hise, self designed laptop sampling software rf = Ryan Francesconi, self designed laptop synthesis software Wobbly = John Liedecker, 2 digital samplers and a Johnny Cash CD The date and 'lsg' (Luggage Store Gallery) are also written in all the mp3's, so you can ignore those. Some of you just may hear them before I do. I don't get to listen to them until I get home. :) >From: Steev Hise >Subject: mp3s of last thursday >Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:27:54 -0800 (PST) > > >hi all, > >the recordings of the show turned out great! MP3s are >located here: > >http://www.detritus.net/events/luggage_store/0201/mp3s/ > >i may have misremembred who played on which piece, so if you >notice a discrepancy, let me know so i can rename and retag >the file accordingly... > >also if anyone wants CDs of this stuff that can be >arranged... > >i will have some photosonline soon as well, hopefully.... > >i had a lot of fun and i;m glad all of you could take part! > >best, > >smh > >Steev Hise, Syssy Admin >steev@detritus.net http://detritus.net/steev _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 20:34:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06960; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:33:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:33:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:32:22 -0800 From: Andrew Pask Subject: Re: mp3's of last thursday's show To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010228173304-r01010600-ae1ea418@192.168.1.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.6 (Bluto) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 01/28/2 at 16:49, mattdavignon@hotmail.com (matt davignon) wrote: > > I just got this a few minutes ago. The mp3's from the performance are up. > http://www.detritus.net/events/luggage_store/0201/mp3s/ > > I was very happy with the performance. Lots of great improvisations from > electronic musicians who mostly haven't played together before. Very cool, I'm playing throught them now. Where was it? Cheers Andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 21:19:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08585; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:17:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:17:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mp3's of last thursday's show Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:16:06 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2001 02:16:07.0119 (UTC) FILETIME=[92F875F0:01C0A1F5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It was at the Luggage Store gallery in San Francisco :) >From: Andrew Pask >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: mp3's of last thursday's show >Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:32:22 -0800 > >On 01/28/2 at 16:49, mattdavignon@hotmail.com (matt davignon) wrote: > > > > > I just got this a few minutes ago. The mp3's from the performance are >up. > > http://www.detritus.net/events/luggage_store/0201/mp3s/ > > > > I was very happy with the performance. Lots of great improvisations from > > electronic musicians who mostly haven't played together before. > > >Very cool, I'm playing throught them now. > >Where was it? > > >Cheers > >Andrew > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 28 22:48:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11294; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:46:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:46:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c0a201$fec404a0$4dad84c3@cybercable.fr> From: "BoB" To: Subject: boomerang manual Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 04:45:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi :o) I just bought a boomerang phrase sampler. Actually, this is the boomerang +, with the new features. The thing is, I didnt find the manual in the box !!! I went on the boomerang products homepage, but the online manual describes the first version of the rang. I sent them a nice mail asking for that new manual : no answer :o( does anyone on this list knows how to get that manual ? has it been published on the web ? where ? if you have any idea, please send me a mail at addicted@noos.fr (yes I m french, which explains my bad english... sorry) thx in advance ___________________ BoB