From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 00:01:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20009; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 00:00:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 00:00:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001031230928.0079ce90@dlcwest.com> X-Sender: was@dlcwest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:09:28 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Garry Wasyliw Subject: DL4 question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: "Steve Lawson" >In 'slow' mode, which you can choose before you start recording, you can record up to >28 seconds of stuff... Any comments on the fidelity of "slow mode"? I assume it halves the sample rate or something? Is it noticible? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 04:18:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22463; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 04:16:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 04:16:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c043e3$0121bf80$9344e0d5@pandora.be> From: "Sound Mind" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20001031230928.0079ce90@dlcwest.com> Subject: Re: DL4 question Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:06:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't have specific data, but I use the DL4 a lot, and I do think there is a difference in sound between the two modes. But 'slow' still sounds good, unlike the 'standard' and 'lo fi' modes of my sp202, which imo are crap. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry Wasyliw" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 6:09 AM Subject: DL4 question > >From: "Steve Lawson" > >In 'slow' mode, which you can choose before you start recording, you can > record up to >28 seconds of stuff... > > Any comments on the fidelity of "slow mode"? I assume it halves the sample > rate or something? Is it noticible? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 05:54:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23932; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 05:52:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 05:52:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <3b.be59bcb.27314fb8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 05:51:36 EST Subject: Re: DL4 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i really don't hear a difference through a gtr amp between the 14 and 28 second modes. i will try playing it through my mixer and use headphones and see if i can hear a difference then. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 05:59:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24026; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 05:58:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 05:58:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005801c043f2$6074fc40$0fad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 05:56:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why not tour with one roadie who can tune a guitar off stage whil she has one guitar in her hands and a spare in a stand right next to her. Three guitars - all acoustic. The roadie can't be THAT expensive, making touring unprofitable? Unless Joni is playing exclusively at 100-seat clubs like Godfrey Daniels in Bethlehem, PA? Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox -----Original Message----- From: Rik Elswit Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) >Dennis Leas writes: [snip] >I didn't get that at all. Back when she was touring extensively, she >needed a truck, 2 roadies, and 30 guitars (some irreplaceable). The VG8 >made it worthwhile for her to tour again, even though she isn't selling >anywhere near as much product as she used to. She has been heard gushing >over the VG8 in several magazine interviews, not only for makeing touring >cost effective again, but also for the creative impetus she gets from using >some of the more synth-like sounds in it. The VG8 was a true breakthrough >instrument, and Line 6, Johnson Millenium, and Yamaha are all following >Roland on this. [snip] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 09:09:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25763; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:08:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:08:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <040d01c0440c$59f4ddd0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20001031231721.00a98840@mail.monmouth.com> Subject: OT: Re: Joni touring.....Yes...due to VG 8 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:02:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Why not tour with one roadie who can tune a guitar off stage whil she has one > guitar in her hands and a spare in a stand right next to her. . . . 'zactly! > OK... i'll un-cloak... probably only to incur more wrath by defending > someone else's right to use, enjoy and be inspired by some random gear.... No wrath here. It's a great joy to get a new piece of gear and find yourself in lah-lah land when you play with it. MUCH better than spending too much time drooling over catalogs! Or even worse, NOT playing because now you NEED that new piece of gear (odd how you never missed it before). > . . . > Whew. It's just amazing the inconsequential stuff we get riled about.... > . . . > So what - they have a self-aggrandizing piece of crap ad-mag . Bottom line > is -- you can get some specs, and an idea of what is available. period. > don't stress, man.... Yeah, it really is inconsequential. But you know when you're out camping? Groovin' on the outdoors? Them mosquitos are sure annoying! And I've probably ranted on too much. Must be the political season or something.... Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 09:30:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26064; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:29:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:29:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.6.58.129] From: "Mark Burin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jam Man for sale Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 14:28:33 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2000 14:28:33.0302 (UTC) FILETIME=[035DD360:01C04410] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am interested in purchasing your Jam Man. Please respond with an asking price. Thank you. Mark Burin mlburin@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 10:27:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26816; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:25:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:25:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A00373D.51E8@hevanet.com.> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 07:31:09 -0800 From: david auker X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DL4 question (+ Halloween Looping) References: <3b.be59bcb.27314fb8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had my DL4 set up 1/2 speed last night, in my van in the driveway... for a Halloween sound addition to the lit pumpkins nearby. After the groups of costumed kids decided what candy to snatch, I invited them to speak into the microphone to get on the loop. In addition to my effects by playing with the Repeats and Delay knobs, their young voices made for a sound that was "custom spooky" to Trick or Treaters' ears! ...as long as I was going to answer that doorbell, it gave me something fun to do, sharing my "musical" toy! ||: David :|| From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 11:19:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27582; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:18:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:18:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001031230928.0079ce90@dlcwest.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20001031230928.0079ce90@dlcwest.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 08:15:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: DL4 question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >From: "Steve Lawson" >>In 'slow' mode, which you can choose before you start recording, you can >record up to >28 seconds of stuff... > >Any comments on the fidelity of "slow mode"? I assume it halves the sample >rate or something? Is it noticible? When i'm playing live, or have the DL4 going into post processing before it hits the board, i can't hear a difference between slow and fast looping mode. i do the same thing...switch it into slow mode for 28 seconds of recording time, then you have the access of turning your loop up double speed. in conjunction with another looping unit, the DL4 in this mode works great to lay drones and then fade the mix back, switch speeds, and mix back up to have nice octaved drone over the low tone you have captured on the next looper. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 11:52:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28190; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:51:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:51:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: irwell.zetnet.co.uk: Host man-a141.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.141] claimed to be abc Message-ID: <017001c04424$1dc5fd40$762cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20001031230928.0079ce90@dlcwest.com> Subject: Re: DL4 question Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:52:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > When i'm playing live, or have the DL4 going into post processing > before it hits the board, i can't hear a difference between slow and > fast looping mode. i do the same thing...switch it into slow mode > for 28 seconds of recording time, then you have the access of turning > your loop up double speed. in conjunction with another looping unit, > the DL4 in this mode works great to lay drones and then fade the mix > back, switch speeds, and mix back up to have nice octaved drone over > the low tone you have captured on the next looper. Sounds good - I'm just trying to work out how to patch my MPX-G2, DL4 and JamMan so that the JamMan isn't inline with the MPX clean signal (too much loss of quality) - at the moment, I'm using the G2 in mono mode and have one output going into a Raven Labs Master Blender, the other going into the JamMan, then into a volume pedal, and then that into the other side of the Raven Labs preamp. I've got the blend control on the JamMan fully on 'wet'. So where do I put the DL4? I've already got an SWR Interstella Overdrive in the FX loop in the G2, and I'd like to be able to add sounds from the DL4 to the JamMan loop!! It's all getting very complex... If you're in London, you can see the results of my search at my solo gig on November 17th... :o) Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com ***solo gig in London on Nov 17th - see web-site for details*** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 12:06:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28467; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:05:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:05:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001101170447.26519.qmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:04:46 -0800 (PST) From: petr dolak Subject: Gig -- Chicago To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Petr Dolak's music and poetry, guitar & looping. Cafe Luna, 1908 West 103rd Street, South Side. Saturday, November 4, 2000, 8 PM. More info: pepetr@yahoo.com www.geocities.com/pepetr ===== Nasledujici oznameni je bohuzel nevyhnutelne. V zadnem pripade ale neznamena, ze bych osobne chtel propagovat tuto spolecnost. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 13:22:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29797; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:20:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:20:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c04430$5475d020$43c1a518@midsouth.rr.com> Reply-To: "Tardy" From: "Tardy" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: DL4 question Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:19:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C043FE.09551920" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <3ZYrB.A.URH.I7FA6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C043FE.09551920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable << There was an early version that had some=20 <
<< There was an = early version=20 that had some
<<kind of bug in it that was resolved in a later = version=20 of the unit.
 
I may be a little off here, but I = believe the early=20 DL4 bug-scenario was that some (not all) version-1 units would sometimes = crash=20 when powered up in the loop mode, and would then have to be reset.  = As far=20 as I know that's the only difference between version 1 and later = units.  It=20 was quickly addressed, and I think if you get in touch with them Line6 = will=20 install the bug-free software for you free of charge.    =
 
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C043FE.09551920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 13:47:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30464; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:46:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:46:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A00628F.CB1DED62@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 13:35:59 -0500 From: "roguemus@ix.netcom.com" Organization: Rogue Music X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, mlburin@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Jam Man for sale References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We have one in excellent shape for $495. Also have the memory expansion available for $72. Dick Michaels Rogue Music Check out our new and used gear at http://www.roguemusic.com Mark Burin wrote: > I am interested in purchasing your Jam Man. Please respond with an asking > price. Thank you. > > Mark Burin > > mlburin@hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 14:33:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31244; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:31:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:31:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c0443a$139e3060$3fda4dd5@Win98> Reply-To: "hefi" From: "hefi" To: Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:29:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C04442.6E940AA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C04442.6E940AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C04442.6E940AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C04442.6E940AA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 15:07:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32010; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:05:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:05:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A007760.B6BB2298@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 12:04:47 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jam Man for sale References: <3A00628F.CB1DED62@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6zoymC.A.WyH.7dHA6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think it's very funny that people are still trying to get almost $100 more than I paid for a JamMan new, when there are really good looper devices about to hit the market (Echoplex, Repeater) for not much more cash. My advise would be to wait a few more weeks. JamMans (JamMen?) will probably start selling for $200-250, as they should. I would pay no more than $300 tops for one with the expansion. Mark "roguemus@ix.netcom.com" wrote: > We have one in excellent shape for $495. Also have the memory expansion > available for $72. > > Dick Michaels > Rogue Music > Check out our new and used gear at http://www.roguemusic.com > > Mark Burin wrote: > > > I am interested in purchasing your Jam Man. Please respond with an asking > > price. Thank you. > > > > Mark Burin > > > > mlburin@hotmail.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 15:45:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32672; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:43:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:43:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001101124242.00812120@col-ed.org> X-Sender: tim@col-ed.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 12:42:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Timoth E. Gard" Subject: Electric Eyes and CV-MIDI Converter In-Reply-To: <056d01c04027$a6634640$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <200010210438.AAA02497@hemlock.violacea.com> <39F1275A.CB7061A1@cruzio.com> <3.0.6.32.20001023145002.007f4650@col-ed.org> <3.0.6.32.20001024105927.007cb670@col-ed.org> <3.0.6.32.20001025154559.00839470@col-ed.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis, Thanks for the sonar links! I had done a little nosing around, but was unsuccessful. Another thing I've been trying to find is some sort of inexpensive, short-range "homing beacon" that would use radio signal time-of-flight to calculate distance. That way, you avoid line-of-sight problems. Then you could also hook up three or more and triangulate your exact location! And you could adapt this idea to give a beacon to everyone in the band with a different homing frequency... (btw, GPS is too coarse and slow to use) [what follows is a generally-directed explanation of the eyes and such] This all comes from a desire to be able to capture the performer's location onstage (X/Y or theta/r). I do a lot of solo playing, and I am trying to maximize the amount of data I can send back to my rig to affect the performance. Of course, one of the things I can do is "move around". But with only a beginner's knowledge of electronics, I had to scale back my goals accordingly. Thus, the electric eye scenario is a crude solution, but a beginning nonetheless. Stated simply, I have two sets of eyes (for starters) in a room. Both beams criss-cross the room resulting in an X pattern. So if I move from one quadrant to another, one or both of the eyes is activated. The voltage generated goes to my CV-MIDI converter and I let Building Blocks "debounce" the eyes and deal with the data as I see fit. So far, it has been selecting different loops for the background, or occassionally making one half of the room the "auto-wah" half. That sort of thing. I do all of my work in the MIDI environment, but I'm sure this is something that could be adapted for the EDP and it's ilk. The sonar systems Dennis recommends give you a continuous response, unlike the grainy 2x2 grid. So that's an area I want to pursue. If I want any more detail with the eyes, I must assemble more set of transmitter- receivers and change the room layout to get 2x3 or 3x3. You can easily see that this quickly becomes impractical if you want any kind of fine control. Another important point of all of this is the performance: since I use MIDI, I drag the cable around with me. If anyone can recommend a wireless MIDI solution (that isn't out of business), you will be forever praised. A while back, someone suggested using a digital modem, but again my beginner electronic knowledge has proved a barrier to handle the data rate conversions and such. This, of course, is no problem for you analog folks. But if anyone has any suggestions on such a rate converter, I'm all ears (or eyes?). What started this whole crusade? I once saw an episode of 3-2-1 Contact! where they put a saxophonist in a room and attached a wireless mic to his chest. Then they fed his pulse into some speakers in the room. First he played casually with the beat, then ran in place for ten seconds and fired off bebop riffs. It was really excellent. And then if anybody sees Laurie Anderson, well, gizmo city! I hope this answers everyone's questions and generates some interest. Thanks for the bandwidth, Tim http://www.quiltedfish.com/html/tg/tginfo.htm -- for pop music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 20:55:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05533; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:53:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:53:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:52:37 EST Subject: Re: Electric Eyes and CV-MIDI Converter To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 11/1/00 6:43:09 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, tim@col-ed.org writes: << [what follows is a generally-directed explanation of the eyes and such] >> tim.........very interesting.........thanks.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 21:28:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06107; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 21:28:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 21:28:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: Repeater Out Yet? Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:27:13 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <9H1sWB.A.3eB.UENA6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is the Repeater available for purchase yet? It's 11/1. Did the group buy happen yet? Too late for this? Thanks, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 22:15:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06874; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 22:14:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 22:14:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A00DC1A.6C6ED694@cloud9.net> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 22:14:34 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Repeater availability and price Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know that some folks have gotten on "waiting lists" for the Repeater. I'd be curious as to what price people are being quoted, and where. Thanks for any info. Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 22:53:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07460; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 22:52:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 22:52:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: Repeater availability and price Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:51:41 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3A00DC1A.6C6ED694@cloud9.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, I'd be interested in this information as well. C'mon... fess up folks! K > -----Original Message----- > From: Mountain Man [mailto:mtman@cloud9.net] > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 7:15 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Repeater availability and price > > > I know that some folks have gotten on "waiting lists" for the Repeater. > I'd be curious as to what price people are being quoted, and where. > Thanks for any info. > > Elby > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 02:35:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10628; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 02:29:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 02:29:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A010A47.A2B6558C@ripco.com> Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 01:31:41 -0500 From: Eric Leonardson Reply-To: eleon@ripco.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Outer Ear Festival of Sound Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Outer Ear Festival of Sound starts today in Chicago and runs through November 22. For a complete schedule of performances, installations, broadcasts, workshops, and artists' roundtable discussions, please visit the Experimental Sound Studio website at . Best regards, Eric -- sound thinking: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/ upcoming dates: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 04:48:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA12412; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 04:46:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 04:46:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c044b2$274d2ad0$0902a8c0@mercurio.it> From: "Leonardo Piras" To: Subject: my first post! Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:49:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C044BA.88A05A70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C044BA.88A05A70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there ! This is my first post! ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C044BA.88A05A70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there ! This is my first = post!
 
------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C044BA.88A05A70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 05:04:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12753; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 05:03:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 05:03:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A01B969.6786DCAD@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:58:49 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: my first post! References: <003701c044b2$274d2ad0$0902a8c0@mercurio.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Leonardo Piras wrote: > > Hi there ! This is my first post! > this is my first pasta Claudio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 05:59:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13388; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 05:57:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 05:57:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c044bb$f99e7b20$0902a8c0@mercurio.it> From: "Leonardo Piras" To: Subject: TC Electronics Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:58:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C044C4.380822F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C044C4.380822F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know the new TC Electronc D-Two delay? Is it a valid looping device? ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C044C4.380822F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Does anyone know the new TC Electronc = D-Two=20 delay?
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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C044C4.380822F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 10:49:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16008; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:47:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:47:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A0137C3.14A5C1BC@texas.net> Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:45:39 +0000 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT - Searching for a Casio DH-100 Digital Horn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-qT1J.A.r5D.jwYA6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all - we, the loopy band 'pseudo buddha', that is, are in **desperate need** of a replacement for our Casio DH-100 Digital Horn with MIDI. it's one of those silly silver (or occasionally black) plastic toy saxaphonish-lookin' things. yes i know it's cheesy, but we like it alot & this is our 3rd one to die in the last 2 years. it can be heard on the ct-75: miniatures vol 1 cd on the loop exchange site http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/ct_75/ct_75.html track 47: inside the red envelope if'n you know the whereabouts of one of these little plastic jewels, please drop me a line. thanks. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 11:10:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16398; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:08:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:08:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:07:35 -0800 (PST) From: Rik Elswit Message-Id: <200011021607.IAA07284@well.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Out Yet? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Is the Repeater available for purchase yet? It's 11/1. Did the group buy happen yet? Too late for this?" Is there a group buy, and if so, how do I get in on it? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 12:57:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17984; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:56:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:56:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.171.220] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: my first post! Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 18:53:13 CET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2000 17:53:13.0581 (UTC) FILETIME=[C56571D0:01C044F5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Welcome...ciao Leonardo Italo De Angelis -ITALY- >From: "Leonardo Piras" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: my first post! >Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:49:11 +0100 > >Hi there ! This is my first post! > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 13:06:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18189; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:05:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:05:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200010311729.JAA17383@well.com> References: <200010311729.JAA17383@well.com> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:08:46 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: OT Polyphony (was: rant from hell) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The VG8 was a true breakthrough >instrument, and Line 6, Johnson Millenium, and Yamaha are all following >Roland on this. > >Roland has a hugely successful marketing arm. They are simply doing what >has worked for them in the past. > >Rik Elswit For 20 years, I am waiting (and helping to) the breakthrough of the polyphonic guitar. When the GTMs came out in '84, I thought the time had come and invested into polyphonic effects... Roland must have invested more than earned with it, so far... Polyphonic pickups are easy, the preamp is not a big deal either, the only problem is the cable that is more delicate and more expensive. And its not possible yet to be wireless. In compensation, the cable brings controlers into the guitar and you get rid of the battery (or of the sound loss, in case you still send the pickup signal directly through the wire). But it takes a better connector than the DIN13, I think. Gibson proposes GMICS to make it all digital (its on their site) Isn't that the future of the guitar? How far is it still away? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 13:06:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18192; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:05:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:05:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4f.2ca9fbb.273027a0@aol.com> References: <4f.2ca9fbb.273027a0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:09:16 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >In a message dated 10/31/2000 6:43:50 AM Central Standard Time, torn scrawled: > >> or, maybe music educators will learn to stay closer apace w/'culture >> curves', >> & begin teaching turntablism (! & looping !) in schools..... >> > >for this to happen, music education graduates would have to learn it... and >colleges would have to teach it... and people who have learned it would have >to be willing to actually BE teachers. ...and LOOPERS-Delight starts certifying Loop teachers... :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 13:12:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18378; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:11:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:11:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater availability and price Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 18:09:57 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2000 18:09:58.0030 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C1832E0:01C044F8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I know that some folks have gotten on "waiting lists" for the Repeater. www.novamusik.com $599 + $16 (UPS ground) ships Nov 16th (from them) I called and pre-ordered one electrix repeater. Their word is that Electrix is due to ship stock to them on Nov 12th, to arrive Nov 16th. They will fill all pre-orders at that time. They need your credit card, but won't charge anything until they ship you a unit. 7 day no questions return policy too. bye- jon _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 13:13:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18466; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:12:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:12:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a301c044f9$5ddd3ee0$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: OT Polyphony (was: rant from hell) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:17:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My guitar is already "polyphonic" - what does the system you speak of actually do? Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thursday, November 02, 2000 10:06 AM Subject: Re: OT Polyphony (was: rant from hell) >>The VG8 was a true breakthrough >>instrument, and Line 6, Johnson Millenium, and Yamaha are all following >>Roland on this. >> >>Roland has a hugely successful marketing arm. They are simply doing what >>has worked for them in the past. >> >>Rik Elswit > > >For 20 years, I am waiting (and helping to) the breakthrough of the >polyphonic guitar. When the GTMs came out in '84, I thought the time >had come and invested into polyphonic effects... >Roland must have invested more than earned with it, so far... >Polyphonic pickups are easy, the preamp is not a big deal either, the >only problem is the cable that is more delicate and more expensive. >And its not possible yet to be wireless. >In compensation, the cable brings controlers into the guitar and you >get rid of the battery (or of the sound loss, in case you still send >the pickup signal directly through the wire). >But it takes a better connector than the DIN13, I think. > >Gibson proposes GMICS to make it all digital (its on their site) > >Isn't that the future of the guitar? How far is it still away? >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 13:42:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18969; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:41:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:41:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601c0468d$4aa2f320$cdf44cc1@BruceComens> From: "Bruce Comens" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20001031230928.0079ce90@dlcwest.com> Subject: OT: Klein wood, chambers Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 19:29:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a late addition to the Klein thread back in September, which i read in the archive. Mine is due to be built any time now--or so I hope--and while I didn't have any trouble choosing pickups (Bardens) or the TransTrem, i'm still, or yet again, wondering about my choice of body wood. Klein steered me toward solid basswood, but.....chambered swamp ash beckons--maybe it's only the visual lure? To make an informed choice, you'd really have to live with both for a while, which is of course impossible. So: Any comments (on- or off-list) on differences between the two from those in the know? recommendations welcome, too. Thanks in advance-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 13:46:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19069; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:45:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:45:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c044fd$10180c40$95a10e97@pirassic> From: "Leonardo Piras" To: References: Subject: R: my first post! Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:45:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ciao Italo... .. ti leggo ogni mese su AXE... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 14:40:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19979; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:38:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:38:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 11:02:21 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: OT: Klein wood, chambers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA19929 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This is a late addition to the Klein thread back in September, which i read in the archive. Mine is due to be built any time now--or so I hope--and while I didn't have any trouble choosing pickups (Bardens) or the TransTrem, i'm still, or yet again, wondering about my choice of body wood. Klein steered me toward solid basswood, but.....chambered swamp ash beckons--maybe it's only the visual lure? > To make an informed choice, you'd really have to live with both for a while, which is of course impossible. > So: Any comments (on- or off-list) on differences between the two from those in the know? recommendations welcome, too. Thanks in advance-- I'd like to see this discussion stay online unless there's serious opposition... (I'm considering a Klein purchase if my windfalls all fall in the right direction...) -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 14:58:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20319; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:57:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:57:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: OT Polyphony (was: rant from hell) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:54:18 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 11/02/2000 01:54:21 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-MxufC.A.J9E.1bcA6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias, I believe, is describing a true signal separation between the six strings (hence "hex-pickups"). By combining the outputs of all six strings into one signal (as we do now), you get IM distortion amongst other things, as well as the inability to process each string individually (probably most useful for pitch-shift effects, like digitally "tuning" to open G or something). In this sense, "polyphonic" refers to the pickups, not the instrument itself. Lindsay "Clifford@BienA ppraisers" To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thursday, November 02, 2000 10:06 AM Subject: Re: OT Polyphony (was: rant from hell) >>The VG8 was a true breakthrough >>instrument, and Line 6, Johnson Millenium, and Yamaha are all following >>Roland on this. >> >>Roland has a hugely successful marketing arm. They are simply doing what >>has worked for them in the past. >> >>Rik Elswit > > >For 20 years, I am waiting (and helping to) the breakthrough of the >polyphonic guitar. When the GTMs came out in '84, I thought the time >had come and invested into polyphonic effects... >Roland must have invested more than earned with it, so far... >Polyphonic pickups are easy, the preamp is not a big deal either, the >only problem is the cable that is more delicate and more expensive. >And its not possible yet to be wireless. >In compensation, the cable brings controlers into the guitar and you >get rid of the battery (or of the sound loss, in case you still send >the pickup signal directly through the wire). >But it takes a better connector than the DIN13, I think. > >Gibson proposes GMICS to make it all digital (its on their site) > >Isn't that the future of the guitar? How far is it still away? >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 15:42:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21208; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:41:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:41:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001102204221.11704.qmail@venus.postmark.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Jeffrey B.Jackson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: How to unsubscribe? Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 20:42:21 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <7gs58.A.uKF.uEdA6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Esteem'd Colleagues, How do I unsubscribe? I didn't hang on to the instructions for some reason. Kind regards, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 16:34:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22184; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:33:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:33:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Repeater manual? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:30:34 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 11/02/2000 03:30:34 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whatever happened to posting the Repeater's user manual on the Electrix site? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 16:53:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22608; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:52:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:52:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.32.20001102163749.0068b04c@total.net> X-Sender: chleduc@total.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 16:37:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Christian Leduc Subject: Re: TC Electronics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:58 00-11-02 +0100, you wrote: >>>> Does anyone know the new TC Electronc D-Two delay?Arial0606,0000,0000 Is it a valid looping device? Arial0606,0000,0000 I don't think you can consider it as a looping device... If you want to loop with TC Electronic, I think you're better with the 2290 (if you are rich enough)... The D-2 looks like a great unit though... It is probably the next thing to buy in my list... I find the "RYTHMIC" delay thing very appealing.. with the filters to emulate old analog devices... And it is quite affordable (500 $ US)... Christian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 17:00:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22867; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:59:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:59:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005601c0468d$4aa2f320$cdf44cc1@BruceComens> References: <3.0.6.32.20001031230928.0079ce90@dlcwest.com> <005601c0468d$4aa2f320$cdf44cc1@BruceComens> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:57:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: OT: Klein wood, chambers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:29 PM +0100 11/4/00, Bruce Comens wrote: >This is a late addition to the Klein thread back in September, which i read >in the archive. >Mine is due to be built any time now--or so I hope--and while I didn't have >any trouble choosing pickups (Bardens) or the TransTrem, i'm still, or yet >again, >wondering about my choice of body wood. Klein steered me toward solid >basswood, but.....chambered swamp ash beckons--maybe it's only the visual >lure? What visible lure: the chambers are invisible. The only chambered Klein that I've played had little cracks in the surface where the chambers are. This is not meant to be a commentary on the workmanship, the guitar had mistreated in other ways. At any rate, the chambers didn't seem to make a huge difference in the sound. My Klein, which I got used, (thanks Keenan) is solid basswood/Bardens/TransTrem. I love it. I had been a Steinberger guy for several years, not being able to rationalize a solid body guitar at the Klein's price point. Suffice it so say that I still occasionally use one of my Steinbergers, but only because it has a synth pickup built in. The Klein just feels right. -C _________________________________________________________ The optimist sees a glass half full... | Chris Muir The pessimist sees a glass half empty... | cbm@well.com The realist sees a glass twice as big as it needs to be. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 17:02:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23110; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:01:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:01:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.32.20001102164729.0068c5c8@total.net> X-Sender: chleduc@total.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 16:47:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Christian Leduc Subject: Re: OT: Klein wood, chambers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <9PfuYD.A.2oF.dQeA6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Ash gives you a smoother sound with a little more treble than basswood. Some of the stratocasters and telecasters are made with ash. So, if you're looking for a more "straty" tone, I think the swamp ash chambered may be a good option... But Lorenzo must be a far better counselor than me!!! Christian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 17:08:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23382; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:07:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:07:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 14:06:00 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: OT: Klein wood, chambers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA23357 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > My Klein, which I got used, (thanks Keenan) is solid basswood/Bardens/TransTrem. I love it. I had been a Steinberger guy for several years, not being able to rationalize a solid body guitar at the Klein's price point. Suffice it so say that I still occasionally use one of my Steinbergers, but only because it has a synth pickup built in. The Klein just feels right. - - Chris Muir From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 17:20:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23815; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:19:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:19:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 14:12:05 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: OT: Klein wood, chambers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA23775 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oops... got trigger happy with the send command... >> ...chambered swamp ash beckons--maybe it's only the visual lure? > What visible lure: the chambers are invisible. The only chambered Klein that I've played had little cracks in the surface where the chambers are. This is not meant to be a commentary on the workmanship, the guitar had mistreated in other ways. At any rate, the chambers didn't seem to make a huge difference in the sound. Methinks he's talking about the grain of the ash... > My Klein, which I got used, (thanks Keenan) is solid basswood/Bardens/TransTrem. I love it. I had been a Steinberger guy for several years, not being able to rationalize a solid body guitar at the Klein's price point. Suffice it so say that I still occasionally use one of my Steinbergers, but only because it has a synth pickup built in. The Klein just feels right. - - Chris Muir The size and feel are so right on them... They're really small in their gig bags so it's super easy to take them along wherever. Since the couch is my main noodling area, I yearn for a guitar that just sits in the right position. I'm really tired of propping up the neck of my Strat. Although I've been playing a new swamp ash model with hss Barden config with a sustainiac and it's now my first choice... (and I really love my older Strat a lot). -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 17:26:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24105; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:25:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:25:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001102162200.02b0e480@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 16:24:07 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: TC Electronics In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20001102163749.0068b04c@total.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Christian Leduc (03:37 PM 11.02.2000) wrote: >At 11:58 00-11-02 +0100, you wrote: > >>>> >>Does anyone know the new TC Electronc D-Two delay? Is it a valid looping >>device? > >I don't think you can consider it as a looping device... If you want to >loop with TC Electronic, I think you're better with the 2290 (if you are >rich enough)... The D-2 looks like a great unit though... It is probably >the next thing to buy in my list... I find the "RYTHMIC" delay thing very >appealing.. with the filters to emulate old analog devices... > >And it is quite affordable (500 $ US)... Yeup, it's a wonderful delay line. Rhythmic delays are as fun as you think they would be, it sounds great, it has a wonderful MIDI implementation, the UI is cool... But I don't think you'd classify it as a loopers tool. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 17:34:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24315; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:33:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:33:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 22:32:29 +0000 Subject: Re: OT: Klein wood, chambers From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005601c0468d$4aa2f320$cdf44cc1@BruceComens> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have just ordered my Klein (9 months to build!) and I also originally wanted chambered swamp ash. When I told Lorenzo what I was after tone-wise was a super sustaining Tele that could also rock out he suggested solid alder. I'm still kind of in two minds, I've always played solid guitars but the lure of that extra option is strong : ) Personally I find Basswood to be rather bland and characterless, though I've never played a basswood Klein, maybe alder would be good for you too? What kind of tone are you after? If you go to www.indoorstorm.com they have real audio samples of a chambered swamp ash Klein but I think it has P90-style P/Us rather than Barden. They also have samples of a PRS and Les Paul on a different page, I found it useful to compare the three. The chambered Klein sounded richer and had a more compressed dynamic range, overall it sounded both more "hi-fi" and sweeter than the LP and PRS. The Klein was brighter and fatter in the high range and more controlled in it's dynamics, in a good way. (imho) I was also tempted by the Transtrem but a few comments made to me by members of this list and elsewhere has put me off it for now. The general consensus is that it loses some tone and sustain and it's a lot of setup/maintainence work. All the machinery and rollers put me in mind of a Kahler system which not only robbed tone big time but also screwed up the string tension so I'm going to pass for now. dt, of course coud not be parted from his TT and I have to say his tone is great. Martin Shellard > From: "Bruce Comens" > > This is a late addition to the Klein thread back in September, which i read > in the archive. > Mine is due to be built any time now--or so I hope--and while I didn't have > any trouble choosing pickups (Bardens) or the TransTrem, i'm still, or yet > again, > wondering about my choice of body wood. Klein steered me toward solid > basswood, but.....chambered swamp ash beckons--maybe it's only the visual > lure? > To make an informed choice, you'd really have to live with both for a while, > which is of course impossible. > So: > Any comments (on- or off-list) on differences between the two from those in > the know? recommendations welcome, too. > Thanks in advance-- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 19:01:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25846; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:38:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:38:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A01FAE2.6D475AD3@cloud9.net> Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 18:38:10 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater info References: <200011010351.WAA18108@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK. Here's the scoop on the group buy. It's through Alto Music. Jon is handling this; you can reach him at JHKNICKS@aol.com or 845 692 6922. You'll need to phone to place an order. They are selling the Repeater for $488. They have 50 on order, and it sounds like they still have some available (at least they still had enough left for me to order one ). They expect to get them sometime this month. Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 20:06:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27733; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:04:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:04:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A020EEC.49CA4237@cloud9.net> Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 20:03:40 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: midi in looping ? References: <200011010351.WAA18108@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not yet having had my hands on a "real" looper, I'm still trying to figure out what they let you do My question of the day is do looping units typically support recording midi in addition to audio? Is this something that some units support and others don't? Or do you need to have a separate synced unit (such as a hardware sequencer) to record the midi? I think this is a feature I'd really like in a looper (although it's all just imaginings at this point ! lol), so if there are specific ones that do and don't (including the yet-to-be-released Repeater), I'd like to hear about it. Thanks, Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 21:13:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28950; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:11:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:11:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater manual? Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:10:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all, Repeater ALPHA manual is up on our site. For your eyes only! Just click on the link and have a read. Remember it is a first draft... http://www.electrixpro.com/topsecret/repeater.pdf Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com -----Original Message----- From: lindsay@pavestone.com [mailto:lindsay@pavestone.com] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 1:31 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater manual? Whatever happened to posting the Repeater's user manual on the Electrix site? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 03:21:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02087; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 03:19:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 03:19:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01c0456f$15207930$0902a8c0@mercurio.it> From: "Leonardo Piras" To: References: <3.0.32.20001102163749.0068b04c@total.net> Subject: Re: TC Electronics Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:21:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01C04577.73965270" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C04577.73965270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unforunately, I'm not rich enough for the wonderful TC 2290... I thought the D-Two would suit my needs just for the features you = mentioned... But do you think a gibson Echoplex Digital Pro is a better start off for = a looping device? The Echoplex just loops samples or works even as a delay? Thank you. Leonardo. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C04577.73965270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Unforunately, I'm not rich enough for = the wonderful=20 TC 2290...
I thought the D-Two would suit my needs = just for=20 the features you mentioned...
But do you think a gibson Echoplex = Digital Pro is a=20 better start off for a looping device?
The Echoplex just loops samples or = works even as a=20 delay?
 
Thank you.
Leonardo.
------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C04577.73965270-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 03:52:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02594; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 03:50:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 03:50:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A02F9BD.FA9881D8@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 09:45:33 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: TC Electronics References: <3.0.32.20001102163749.0068b04c@total.net> <003f01c0456f$15207930$0902a8c0@mercurio.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Leonardo Piras wrote: > > Unforunately, I'm not rich enough for the wonderful TC 2290... > I thought the D-Two would suit my needs just for the features you > mentioned... > But do you think a gibson Echoplex Digital Pro is a better start off > for a looping device? > The Echoplex just loops samples or works even as a delay? > > Thank you. > Leonardo. Leonardo it works as a delay also but nothing close to the tc D-two Echoplex is the strongest looper in the place as today it has features for you to explore for years get some time to visit the home of the looper :http://www.loopers-delight.com/ tons of infos about all past and present loopers for all budjets salut Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 04:00:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02748; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 03:59:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 03:59:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A02FBDB.AE9F11E0@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 09:54:35 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Gig in Switzerland Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7SWCqC.A.qq.X5nA6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com International loopers I will be playing tonight at the Uzine a gaz in Nyon free entrance but you leave what you want in the hat 3 sets of 40 mn of accoustic and electronic music sounds loops melodies grooves humor and beauty at presentation of this mail you get a free beer or whatever I have to pack seeya claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 04:04:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02969; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 04:02:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 04:02:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007a01c04575$22649080$0902a8c0@mercurio.it> From: "Leonardo Piras" To: References: <3.0.32.20001102163749.0068b04c@total.net> <003f01c0456f$15207930$0902a8c0@mercurio.it> <3A02F9BD.FA9881D8@vtx.ch> Subject: Re: TC Electronics Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:04:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've visited that site. One more little question. Can I pair an Echoplex Digital Pro with my black Rocktron Intellifex on the same signal chain? Will the sound quality decay much? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 06:10:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03712; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 06:08:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 06:08:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001103110737.72414.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 03:07:37 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: RE: Repeater manual? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Show off. :) John --- "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" wrote: > Hey all, > Repeater ALPHA manual is up on our site. For your > eyes only! Just click on > the link and have a read. Remember it is a first > draft... > http://www.electrixpro.com/topsecret/repeater.pdf > > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 06:11:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03714; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 06:08:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 06:08:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c04586$55c6ccc0$4eddd8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <3.0.32.20001102163749.0068b04c@total.net> <003f01c0456f$15207930$0902a8c0@mercurio.it> <3A02F9BD.FA9881D8@vtx.ch> <007a01c04575$22649080$0902a8c0@mercurio.it> Subject: Echoplex and PMC-10--the "Undo Bomb" (This is Cool!) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 03:08:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <7TBTNC.A.f5.LypA6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, fellow loopers-- The Ztar is getting some little things done to it, so I have been forced to control the EDP by other means--that includes the PMC-10, and I have written a few patches in the meanwhile, one of which is a footswitch to send you to reverse--of course . . . But the grand prize--it's the Undo bomb! Simple record the undo button several times (mine is 6x) on a single footswitch and voila! Back to square one in one swell foop! Especially dramatic on short loops with different textures--it can't seem to get past reverse however-- Now if I can just get it to work on hangovers-- Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 06:44:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04250; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 06:36:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 06:36:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001103063814.007cbc10@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 06:38:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: TC Electronics In-Reply-To: <007a01c04575$22649080$0902a8c0@mercurio.it> References: <3.0.32.20001102163749.0068b04c@total.net> <003f01c0456f$15207930$0902a8c0@mercurio.it> <3A02F9BD.FA9881D8@vtx.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:04 AM 11/3/00 +0100, you wrote: >I've visited that site. I think Claude's point is that when you visit "that site" the questions you're asking are answered in great detail and redundancy in the mailing list archive... It's searchable; you'll find huge amounts of information on the EDP. Also, check out the "Tools of the Trade" section for any questions you may have about specs, features, manuals, tips & tricks, etc. for any of the major commercially available looping devices out there. You'll find that any questions you may have have probably already been answered several times over... Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 06:51:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04433; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 06:40:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 06:40:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KingsleyD@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 06:39:13 EST Subject: Re: Klein Woods To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I happen to own three Kleins: #1 basswood with a steinberger neck (serial #011, one of the "original" steve klein models), #2 chambered swamp ash w/Bardens, and #3 solid mahogany with Duncan Seth Lover humbuckers. The basswood is pretty even sounding, almost clinical with the 'berger neck, but then when you turn the amp up some the guitar blossoms and gets richer, with more overtones apparent. The chambered swamp ash has less high end than you might expect -- it ain't a Strat -- however, there's more articulation on the attack and at low volumes there's more character to the sound than the basswood one. At high volumes it can get a little bit "honky" or "woofy" in the lower mids; I think this is a result of the chambering. Switching to single coil mode on the Bardens helps. I've heard a few tele freaks play this guitar, and it does that Danny Gatton thing pretty durn well. The mahogany one sounds like a Gibson SG or LP jr. Sort of, anyway. The Kleins all have a tighter, more focused tone than "traditional" guitars. But this one has that distinctive "klang" that all-mahogany guitars tend to have. Kingsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 08:13:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA05445; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 08:12:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 08:12:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A02B884.C73AF4C8@t-online.de> Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 14:07:16 +0100 From: Manfred_Bohnhoff@t-online.de (Manfred Bohnhoff) Reply-To: Manfred@buddhas.de Organization: The Buddhas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW0323w (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP playback volume decreasing bug Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 320024095934-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <2veJpD.A.zUB.wlrA6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry list, may I bother you with a suspected hardware problem? This does not seem to be covered by the FAQ as my EDP is only 1 1/2 yrs old (loop v5.0, RAM maxed) I recently received a hint that it might be a known issue anyway. So is anyone on the list able to pass me helpful information? It would be extremely costy to ship the device abroad for service (me living in Germany) and slight hardware modifications should not be a major problem to do for me. Problem description: what I experience is that with the feedback control set to full (meanwhile I hardware bypassed it which didn`t help) the playback volume of intended infinite loops eventually decreases. The amount of the decrease is in the order of 50 per cent within 1 or 2 minutes. I found no way to "safely" reproduce the effect. Sometimes it occurs, and sometimes not. Manfred From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 09:08:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06186; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:07:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:07:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <17.cfe8133.27342055@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:06:13 EST Subject: Re: OT: Klein wood, chambers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ms, >I was also tempted by the Transtrem but a few comments made to me by members >of this list and elsewhere has put me off it for now. The general consensus >is that it loses some tone and sustain true, but certainly the sound/tone/sustain-qualities of an el. gtr. are interdependently entwined w/*lotsa* otre elements: yer hands, yer feel/sweat/electric output, pickups, pre-amp, amp, spkr, signal chain, etc: the # of interactive factors becoming (naturally) decreased when ya play on yer couch, un-plugged..... >and it's a lot of setup/maintainence work. nah; *i* don't think so, anyway..... s'no big deal. >All the machinery and rollers put me in mind of a Kahler system which >not only robbed tone big time but also screwed up the string tension so >I'm going to pass for now. i don't think that the TT is as inefficient as the Kahler sys.; plus, what ya git back from the TT is very cool..... >dt, of course coud not be parted from his TT well, xcept when i play a: a) mustang, b) es350T, c) veillette baritone/tokai strat, d) glissentar, etc..... >and I have to say his tone is great. why, thankee, sir! best, dt 2 new CD's in stores & online (artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, etc) 1) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) 2) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD / vinyl); (65 minute EP--- w/remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) On CeLLDiviSioN/75Ark: http://www.75ark.com SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 09:25:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06469; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:24:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:24:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 23:23:33 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Fwd: Re: web cast now and tomorrow 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers, Our webcast info. Next is tomorrow.. Sunao > > >> >> >>We are streaming electronic live from Japan. >>Please enjoy our music via RealVideo. >>http://ds.kobedenshi.ac.jp/dstv/dstv.ram >> >>3rd Nov. 10:00-16:00(JST) 1:00-7:00(GMT) >>4th Nov. 10:00-16:00(JST) 1:00-7:00(GMT) >> > >Some rehearsal photos available, 16 Doepfer A100 3U units included. >http://low.cavestudio.org/webcast_archive/festival_nov_2000/ > > Sunao >http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 09:49:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06769; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:48:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:48:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.173.152] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: R: my first post! Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 15:47:37 CET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2000 14:47:37.0472 (UTC) FILETIME=[022BD000:01C045A5] Resent-Message-ID: <2QSa5.A.ipB.oAtA6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Se vuoi puoi scrivermi direttamente a italoop@usa.net best ITALO >From: "Leonardo Piras" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: R: my first post! >Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:45:23 +0100 > >Ciao Italo... >.. ti leggo ogni mese su AXE... > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 10:34:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07254; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:32:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:32:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A02D934.A85D7E0D@t-online.de> Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 16:26:44 +0100 From: Manfred_Bohnhoff@t-online.de (Manfred Bohnhoff) Reply-To: Manfred@buddhas.de Organization: The Buddhas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW0323w (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike McGary , loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP playback volume decreasing bug References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 320024095934-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mike and thank you so far, Mike McGary wrote: > > > Problem description: > > what I experience is that with the feedback control set to full > > (meanwhile I hardware bypassed it which didn`t help) the playback volume > > of intended infinite loops eventually decreases. > > Does this only happen while overdubbing? If so, that would be > expected. unfortunately it`s not that simple. All I do is press record twice in order to record and infinitely loop a one or two bar phrase. Manfred From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 10:49:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07565; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:47:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:47:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:46:25 -0500 (EST) From: MountainMan To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater group buy - correction Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, The information that I posted yesterday about the Repeater group buy was not correct. I apologize for any confusion this may have caused. To get the correct price and any other details, call Jon at Alto Music: (845)692-6922. Again, my apology for not getting this information straight. Elby P.S. I'll be happy discuss this with anyone *off list* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 11:29:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07995; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:28:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:28:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A02E6AB.B2B40B73@t-online.de> Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 17:24:11 +0100 From: Manfred_Bohnhoff@t-online.de (Manfred Bohnhoff) Reply-To: Manfred@buddhas.de Organization: The Buddhas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW0323w (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP playback volume decreasing bug Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 320024095934-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com List, I have to correct a language mismatch error in line nn: .... Problem description: what I experience is that with the feedback control set to full (meanwhile I hardware bypassed it which didn`t help) the playback volume of intended infinite loops eventually decreases. ^^^^^^^^^^ sporadically ..... My apologies. Manfred From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 12:09:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08650; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 12:08:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 12:08:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.247.186.99] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gig in Switzerland Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 09:05:08 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2000 17:05:08.0946 (UTC) FILETIME=[386ED320:01C045B8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good luck Claude! I've been becoming more and more of a fan with each CT contribution you make. Matt >From: Claude Voit >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight >Subject: Gig in Switzerland >Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 09:54:35 -0800 > >International loopers > >I will be playing tonight at the Uzine a gaz in Nyon >free entrance but you leave what you want in the hat >3 sets of 40 mn of accoustic and electronic music > >sounds loops melodies grooves humor and beauty > >at presentation of this mail you get a free beer or whatever > >I have to pack > >seeya > >claude > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 13:44:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10202; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:42:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:42:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A030675.DBAC7FBE@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 10:39:50 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater Foot controller? References: <20001103110737.72414.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I went and ordered a Repeater from Alto music (Don't worry Kim, when the Echoplex comes out I plan to purchase one of those as well!) and was a little dismayed when my question of, "Does that include the foot controller?" was answered, "That device doesn't have a foot controller." Now, I don't seem to have his email available, but I could swear that Daemon Langlois said that the unit would come with a foot controller. No? Didn't we discuss it's proposed features? Was it all a dream? Aunty Em was there... Now, I've got to say that I'd have still purchased the unit, regardless of foot controller, but what gives? I've been using a cheesy ADA midi controller to control my JamMan. Will I have to purchase yet another controller? (I think I need to move into a bigger apt, as I'm rapidly running out of floor space!) Yours truly, Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 13:47:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10290; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:46:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:46:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00a301c044f9$5ddd3ee0$7bb387d8@cliff> References: <00a301c044f9$5ddd3ee0$7bb387d8@cliff> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 16:50:07 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: OT Polyphony (was: rant from hell) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0lffdC.A.jgC.afwA6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >My guitar is already "polyphonic" - what does the system you speak of >actually do? > have a look at http://Matthias.Grob.org/pParad/Parad.htm and http://Matthias.Grob.org/pEE/Invent.htm -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 13:52:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10396; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:51:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:51:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.32.20001103133647.0068bfbc@total.net> X-Sender: chleduc@total.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 13:36:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Christian Leduc Subject: Re: OT: Klein wood, chambers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >>dt, of course coud not be parted from his TT >well, xcept when i play a: a) mustang, b) es350T, c) veillette baritone/tokai >strat, d) glissentar, etc..... dt: Just a little OT question about c.. why Veillette/Tokai together? Christian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 13:53:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10426; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:52:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:52:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001103124220.00f931b0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 12:51:17 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater Foot controller? In-Reply-To: <3A030675.DBAC7FBE@zerocrossing.net> References: <20001103110737.72414.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro (12:39 PM 11.03.2000) wrote: >I went and ordered a Repeater from Alto music (Don't worry Kim, when the >Echoplex comes out I plan to purchase one of those as well!) and was a >little dismayed when my question of, "Does that include the foot >controller?" was answered, "That device doesn't have a foot controller." Right. One does *not* come with it. I think that the email that you're referring to is this one from Damon: Hey loopers, Trying to stay true to some of the comments around here I would like to request some feedback on a MIDI foot controller for Repeater. I posted a very quick concept sketch on our site. Just on click http://www.electrixpro.com/topsecret/remi.gif to view it. Please leave any feedback in our Electrix forum to avoid annoying everyone here. Just go to our site http://www.electrixpro.com and click on "views" and then "forum". Just leave your comments in "loop based recording" Best Regards, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix / IVL "No Creative Barriers" Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com The forum doesn't seem to be online though. >Now, I've got to say that I'd have still purchased the unit, regardless >of foot controller, but what gives? I've been using a cheesy ADA midi >controller to control my JamMan. Will I have to purchase yet another >controller? Repeater will work with a MIDI controller, but will also work with a simple footswitch controller. Electrix is looking to bring out a separate MIDI based foot controller in the future. That was what the discussion was centered around. From the website: Remote Control -Any TRS style 3-button foot controller (like a Digitech FS-300) gives foot control over play/stop, record and tap tempo. -Repeater can be operated from a MIDI foot controller for "Hands Free" use. -Full MIDI control also means you can sequence your loops to create complete song structures. -MIDI keyboard control over the pitch offers real-time manipulation over the sample. Experiment with melodic variations of the loop. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 13:55:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10559; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:54:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:54:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 18:54:21 +0000 Subject: Re: OT: Klein wood, chambers From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <17.cfe8133.27342055@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dt I remember reading that you're a mustang man, I love my mustangs, for anyone who's interested they represent the best bang for the buck in the vintage guitar market, a '65 pre-CBS Mustang can be had for less than $500 and they sound awesome. Compare that to a mid 60s Strat or Tele : -0 re: the TT, I may have to reconsider my opinion about that (more is always more...) Martin Shellard > From: Texture444@aol.com >> dt, of course coud not be parted from his TT > well, xcept when i play a: a) mustang, b) es350T, c) veillette baritone/tokai > strat, d) glissentar, etc..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 14:09:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10807; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:08:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:08:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.32.20001103135404.0068e3b8@total.net> X-Sender: chleduc@total.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 13:54:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Christian Leduc Subject: Re: TC Electronics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:04 00-11-03 +0100, you wrote: >I've visited that site. >One more little question. >Can I pair an Echoplex Digital Pro with my black Rocktron Intellifex on the >same signal chain? >Will the sound quality decay much? > It depends of two things... 1-your guitar/preamp relation 2- How you turn the different knobs... My main setup is a Ibanez HD-1000 (delay/pitch shift) and a Deltalab's Echotron... With a Fender Concert (all-tubes)... It's not the most "quiet" setup, but with a little time turning knobs.. it sounds great (with good dynamics) and it is not that noisy.... So, I don't think that an EDP is noisy.. even with your Rocktron... Your signal will not decay if you put them in the effect loop... after the preamp... Best, Christian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 14:15:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10950; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:14:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:14:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001103110952.00b82540@crash.cts.com> X-Sender: harvey@crash.cts.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 11:09:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Harvey Starr Subject: Re: OT Polyphony (was: rant from hell) In-Reply-To: References: <00a301c044f9$5ddd3ee0$7bb387d8@cliff> <00a301c044f9$5ddd3ee0$7bb387d8@cliff> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com May I interject here that each string on the Ztar is fully polyphonic. In its POLY mode every note you can touch will sound. The real application for this is when playing tapping style. I"m not aware of a guitar that will do this. So, if we wanted to get back on-topic, I might add that you could hold a chord with one hand, and tap a note higher up on the fingerboard with the other hand in a zone of keys dedicated to start/stop your EDP. :) -harveyS At 04:50 PM 11/3/00 -0300, you wrote: >>My guitar is already "polyphonic" - what does the system you speak of >>actually do? >> > >have a look at http://Matthias.Grob.org/pParad/Parad.htm >and http://Matthias.Grob.org/pEE/Invent.htm >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > http://www.starrlabs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 14:29:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11207; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:28:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:28:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A0312FD.66D9813@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 11:36:03 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gig in Switzerland References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0mTXMB.A.-uC.fGxA6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com matt davignon wrote: > Good luck Claude! > > I've been becoming more and more of a fan with each CT contribution you > make. > > Matt > > >From: Claude Voit > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight > >Subject: Gig in Switzerland > >Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 09:54:35 -0800 > > > >International loopers > > > >I will be playing tonight at the Uzine a gaz in Nyon > >free entrance but you leave what you want in the hat > >3 sets of 40 mn of accoustic and electronic music > > > >sounds loops melodies grooves humor and beauty > > > >at presentation of this mail you get a free beer or whatever > > > >I have to pack > > > >seeya > > > >claude > great, happy gig, claude. sorry no concorde service to culver city. but i would like a free whatever. :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 15:09:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11767; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:08:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:08:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200011032005.MAA22517@proxy2.ba.best.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 12:10:33 -0800 Subject: Re: Repeater Foot controller? From: "Allan Hoeltje" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You are not dreaming, the Repeater does not come with a foot controler. But as the (preliminary) manual says, the back panel has a "footswitch" plug that is compatable with the Digitech FS-300 -Allan ---------- >From: Mark Sottilaro >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Repeater Foot controller? >Date: Fri, Nov 3, 2000, 10:39 AM > > Hey, > > I went and ordered a Repeater from Alto music (Don't worry Kim, when the > Echoplex comes out I plan to purchase one of those as well!) and was a > little dismayed when my question of, "Does that include the foot > controller?" was answered, "That device doesn't have a foot controller." > > Now, I don't seem to have his email available, but I could swear that > Daemon Langlois said that the unit would come with a foot controller. > No? Didn't we discuss it's proposed features? Was it all a dream? > Aunty Em was there... > > Now, I've got to say that I'd have still purchased the unit, regardless > of foot controller, but what gives? I've been using a cheesy ADA midi > controller to control my JamMan. Will I have to purchase yet another > controller? (I think I need to move into a bigger apt, as I'm rapidly > running out of floor space!) > > Yours truly, > > Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 15:29:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12225; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:27:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:27:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 12:16:39 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP playback volume decreasing bug In-reply-to: <3A02B884.C73AF4C8@t-online.de> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Manfred- That is a known issue and can easily be repaired by Gibson. there was a problem with tolerances from a particular part vendor that caused this on some units, and the fact that it was sporadic made it hard to catch in production testing. They have the problem nailed now. Getting that part replaced fixes it. They can do it for you in the UK, at the trace elliot factory where the Echoplex is made. I don't know if that is still a problem for you to ship there. You can contact them at info@trace-elliot.com. Maybe they can just send you the part if you think you can do it yourself. Or you can contact Shane Radtke , who runs the service center in the US. He's a good guy and very helpful. kim At 5:07 AM -0800 11/3/00, Manfred Bohnhoff wrote: >Sorry list, may I bother you with a suspected hardware problem? > >This does not seem to be covered by the FAQ as my EDP is only 1 1/2 yrs >old (loop v5.0, RAM maxed) >I recently received a hint that it might be a known issue anyway. > >So is anyone on the list able to pass me helpful information? > >It would be extremely costy to ship the device abroad for service (me >living in Germany) and slight hardware modifications should not be a >major problem to do for me. > >Problem description: >what I experience is that with the feedback control set to full >(meanwhile I hardware bypassed it which didn`t help) the playback volume >of intended infinite loops eventually decreases. The amount of the >decrease is in the order of 50 per cent within 1 or 2 minutes. I found >no way to "safely" reproduce the effect. Sometimes it occurs, and >sometimes not. > >Manfred ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 15:39:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12548; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:38:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:38:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 14:36:32 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater Foot controller? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0f3601c045d5$c0881bf0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <20001103110737.72414.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> <3A030675.DBAC7FBE@zerocrossing.net> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com damon said that you could use a digitech fs300 for three functions and the rest would be accessible through midi. haven't had a chance to look at the manual yet, though... the fs300 has three buttons and a trs 1/4" jack. i'm pretty sure it is wired like this: one button grounds tip to sleeve. one button grounds ring to sleeve. one button grounds both tip and sleeve to ground. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 12:39 PM Subject: Repeater Foot controller? > Hey, > > I went and ordered a Repeater from Alto music (Don't worry Kim, when the > Echoplex comes out I plan to purchase one of those as well!) and was a > little dismayed when my question of, "Does that include the foot > controller?" was answered, "That device doesn't have a foot controller." > > Now, I don't seem to have his email available, but I could swear that > Daemon Langlois said that the unit would come with a foot controller. > No? Didn't we discuss it's proposed features? Was it all a dream? > Aunty Em was there... > > Now, I've got to say that I'd have still purchased the unit, regardless > of foot controller, but what gives? I've been using a cheesy ADA midi > controller to control my JamMan. Will I have to purchase yet another > controller? (I think I need to move into a bigger apt, as I'm rapidly > running out of floor space!) > > Yours truly, > > Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 15:50:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12927; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:48:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:48:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.174.41] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: REPEATER FEVER !!! Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 21:47:07 CET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2000 20:47:07.0713 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B096310:01C045D7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The manual looks AWESOME!!! Hope Repeater will do all those fireworx!!! Damon, when will it be available in Italy? That article on Axe, You remember!?!?...Anyway it already seems to be a MONSTER ass... ciao...best...Ital@@@@p >From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Repeater manual? >Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:10:21 -0800 > >Hey all, >Repeater ALPHA manual is up on our site. For your eyes only! Just click on >the link and have a read. Remember it is a first draft... >http://www.electrixpro.com/topsecret/repeater.pdf > > >Respect, > >Damon Langlois >Creative Director >Electrix >Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 >http://www.electrixpro.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: lindsay@pavestone.com [mailto:lindsay@pavestone.com] >Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 1:31 PM >To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Repeater manual? > > >Whatever happened to posting the Repeater's user manual on the Electrix >site? > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 17:06:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14494; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:04:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:04:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A03292E.350E31C@usa.net> Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 15:08:30 -0600 From: Lee Sebel Reply-To: synman@usa.net Organization: Cool Music Gear You Can't Live Without X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT was Rant from Hell, now Joni Mitchell References: <200011020353.WAA07518@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill Fox" inquired: >Why not tour with one roadie who can tune a guitar off stage whil she has one >guitar in her hands and a spare in a stand right next to her. Three guitars - >all acoustic. The roadie can't be THAT expensive, making touring unprofitable? >Unless Joni is playing exclusively at 100-seat clubs like Godfrey Daniels in >Bethlehem, PA? I don't think having to have a roady maintain the guitars was the sole issue. Also at play were the potential neck problems caused by the non-standard tensions that occur when one employs altered tunings. The VG8 solves that issue, and provides a "guitar" that stays in tune and stable regardless of what tunings are employed. Obviously she went on to discover the broadened tonal pallette the VG8 provides over and above the tunings, and that has certainly had a positive impact on her art. As one who owns a VG8 and adores it, it was particularly impressive catching her live and hearing what she is doing with it. She's been a favorite artist of mine for a long time, and I would never have had the opportunity to catch her live if it weren't for the VG8. I think it is one of the greatest music technology achievements of the last century. -- Tonefully yours... Lee Sebel•Cool Music Gear You Can't Live Without•888-487-2166 Representing Innovative Instruments of Impeccable Quality >>> Check out my original music at <<< http://www.mp3.com/voltz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 17:07:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14525; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:06:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:06:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [198.185.22.25] From: "Joe Osborne" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Level Setting of 2 EDPs Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 22:05:33 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2000 22:05:33.0742 (UTC) FILETIME=[300C6CE0:01C045E2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have recently purchased a second Gibson EDP so I can use one for each side in my guitar rig. The second unit has a level that is 40 percent lower than the other. I know it is the second EDP because when I bypass it my levels are equal. I am using this one as my master to brother sync the other one (using a stereo TRS cable and a midi cable). Could this have anything to do with it? I can't imagine that there would be such a wide range of tolerances in the design of the components used in the EDP. All other devices in my rig are set equally. Thanks in advance for any replies. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 18:02:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15371; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:00:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:00:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: Level Setting of 2 EDPs Message-ID: <0056910008422493000002L132*@MHS> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:01:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 11/03/00 16:59:54" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA15348 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim has talked about this before : the very old and new EDPs have a diffenernt gain structures. I have a '95 Oberheim unit in parallel with an '00 Gibson unit and the levels are the same. However, the positions of the input and output level knobs are definitely not the same. USe your eyes and ears (input LED and output levels) to set the knobs. I think it works. Brother K harmonic1@hotmail.com on 11/03/2000 02:10:54 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP cc: Subject: Level Setting of 2 EDPs Classification: I have recently purchased a second Gibson EDP so I can use one for each side in my guitar rig. The second unit has a level that is 40 percent lower than the other. I know it is the second EDP because when I bypass it my levels are equal. I am using this one as my master to brother sync the other one (using a stereo TRS cable and a midi cable). Could this have anything to do with it? I can't imagine that there would be such a wide range of tolerances in the design of the components used in the EDP. All other devices in my rig are set equally. Thanks in advance for any replies. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 18:31:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15752; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:30:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:30:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A034947.1D213748@t-online.de> Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:24:55 +0100 From: Manfred_Bohnhoff@t-online.de (Manfred Bohnhoff) Reply-To: Manfred@buddhas.de Organization: The Buddhas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW0323w (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP playback volume decreasing bug References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 320024095934-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you very much, Kim. This definitely sounds helpful. Manfred Kim Flint wrote: > > Hi Manfred- > > That is a known issue and can easily be repaired by Gibson. there was a > problem with tolerances from a particular part vendor that caused this on > some units, and the fact that it was sporadic made it hard to catch in > production testing. They have the problem nailed now. Getting that part > replaced fixes it. > > They can do it for you in the UK, at the trace elliot factory where the > Echoplex is made. I don't know if that is still a problem for you to ship > there. You can contact them at info@trace-elliot.com. Maybe they can just > send you the part if you think you can do it yourself. > > Or you can contact Shane Radtke , who runs the > service center in the US. He's a good guy and very helpful. > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 18:56:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16179; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:54:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:54:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003401c04586$55c6ccc0$4eddd8cc@gary> References: <3.0.32.20001102163749.0068b04c@total.net> <003f01c0456f$15207930$0902a8c0@mercurio.it> <3A02F9BD.FA9881D8@vtx.ch> <007a01c04575$22649080$0902a8c0@mercurio.it> <003401c04586$55c6ccc0$4eddd8cc@gary> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 21:57:36 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Echoplex and PMC-10--the "Undo Bomb" (This is Cool!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi there, fellow loopers-- > >The Ztar is getting some little things done to it, so I have been forced to >control the EDP by other means--that includes the PMC-10, and I have written >a few patches in the meanwhile, one of which is a footswitch to send you to >reverse--of course . . . right... in the upgrade, there will be a simple MIDI command to do this. > >But the grand prize--it's the Undo bomb! Simple record the undo button >several times (mine is 6x) on a single footswitch and voila! Back to square >one in one swell foop! hey, thats a great idea, Gary! >Especially dramatic on short loops with different >textures--it can't seem to get past reverse however-- no, thats not possible... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 18:56:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16181; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:54:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:54:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001101124242.00812120@col-ed.org> References: <200010210438.AAA02497@hemlock.violacea.com> <39F1275A.CB7061A1@cruzio.com> <3.0.6.32.20001023145002.007f4650@col-ed.org> <3.0.6.32.20001024105927.007cb670@col-ed.org> <3.0.6.32.20001025154559.00839470@col-ed.org> <3.0.6.32.20001101124242.00812120@col-ed.org> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 21:57:36 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Electric Eyes and CV-MIDI Converter Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I also had a look at those devices, thank you, Dennis. Since I play sitting, the range they work is rather too big. I often thought about other ways to express my self in paramters than by foot controlled faders... so I would rather need distance metering in the 2-20cm range to measure knee, elbow and head positions, maybe... did you find such, too? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 18:56:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16180; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:54:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:54:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005801c043f2$6074fc40$0fad5cd1@-> References: <005801c043f2$6074fc40$0fad5cd1@-> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 21:57:36 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Why not tour with one roadie who can tune a guitar off stage whil she has one >guitar in her hands and a spare in a stand right next to her. Three guitars - >all acoustic. The roadie can't be THAT expensive, making touring >unprofitable? >Unless Joni is playing exclusively at 100-seat clubs like Godfrey Daniels in >Bethlehem, PA? ok, there are also people like Richard Thompson or Paul Jones that use only one guitar and tell some story while they change tuning... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 19:15:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16531; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 19:14:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 19:14:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001103110952.00b82540@crash.cts.com> References: <00a301c044f9$5ddd3ee0$7bb387d8@cliff> <00a301c044f9$5ddd3ee0$7bb387d8@cliff> <3.0.6.32.20001103110952.00b82540@crash.cts.com> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 22:17:56 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: OT Polyphony (was: rant from hell) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >May I interject here that each string on the Ztar is fully polyphonic. In >its POLY mode every note you can touch will sound. The real application for >this is when playing tapping style. I"m not aware of a guitar that will do >this. > >So, if we wanted to get back on-topic, I might add that you could hold a >chord with one hand, and tap a note higher up on the fingerboard with the >other hand in a zone of keys dedicated to start/stop your EDP. :) oh, you can put out several notes simultaneously on the same string? Thats amazing... but the instrument does not create any audio output, so it would not make sense to use audio effects, since you can create any MIDI sound on any string, right? Can you automatically select the lowest *played* string and put a bass note only on that, as Polysubbass does? > >At 04:50 PM 11/3/00 -0300, you wrote: >>>My guitar is already "polyphonic" - what does the system you speak of >>>actually do? >>> >> >>have a look at http://Matthias.Grob.org/pParad/Parad.htm >>and http://Matthias.Grob.org/pEE/Invent.htm >>-- >> >> >> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org >> >> >> >http://www.starrlabs.com -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 19:22:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16692; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 19:21:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 19:21:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001104002056.21434.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 16:20:56 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: EDP playback volume decreasing bug To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, For our edification, what part is it? bret --- Kim Flint wrote: > Hi Manfred- > > That is a known issue and can easily be repaired by Gibson. there was > a > problem with tolerances from a particular part vendor that caused > this on > some units, and the fact that it was sporadic made it hard to catch > in > production testing. They have the problem nailed now. Getting that > part > replaced fixes it. > > They can do it for you in the UK, at the trace elliot factory where > the > Echoplex is made. I don't know if that is still a problem for you to > ship > there. You can contact them at info@trace-elliot.com. Maybe they can > just > send you the part if you think you can do it yourself. > > Or you can contact Shane Radtke , who runs > the > service center in the US. He's a good guy and very helpful. > > kim > > > At 5:07 AM -0800 11/3/00, Manfred Bohnhoff wrote: > >Sorry list, may I bother you with a suspected hardware problem? > > > >This does not seem to be covered by the FAQ as my EDP is only 1 1/2 > yrs > >old (loop v5.0, RAM maxed) > >I recently received a hint that it might be a known issue anyway. > > > >So is anyone on the list able to pass me helpful information? > > > >It would be extremely costy to ship the device abroad for service > (me > >living in Germany) and slight hardware modifications should not be a > >major problem to do for me. > > > >Problem description: > >what I experience is that with the feedback control set to full > >(meanwhile I hardware bypassed it which didn`t help) the playback > volume > >of intended infinite loops eventually decreases. The amount of the > >decrease is in the order of 50 per cent within 1 or 2 minutes. I > found > >no way to "safely" reproduce the effect. Sometimes it occurs, and > >sometimes not. > > > >Manfred > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 20:01:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17257; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:00:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:00:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater price Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 16:59:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <28TSJD.A.MNE.691A6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey loopers, I have a general appeal to everyone interested in buying Repeater. Be suspicious of anyone offering it for much less than $599. Our suggested Retail is $749 US so a discount to $599 would be an amazing deal. Repeater is priced very fairly and we did not leave much room to discount it. All of our products have the best price possible without huge margins. I can't imagine why someone would basically give Repeater away but if there is an asking price of $488 we will have some major problems. Setting a price precedence of $488 forces our other dealers to try and match this price. Unfortunately this price doesn't give the dealer enough margin to stay in business (in fact $488 is almost no margin at all). This inevitably results in other dealers not even stocking the product. If no one else stocks the product we go out of business. We are committed to offering cool, unique products that have a high degree of innovation, quality and affordable prices. At $488 Repeater is devalued far bellow a reasonable price putting our ability to do the above at great risk. It also just depreciates the value of the product in general. Bottom Line is if Repeater sells for $488 It ruins other retailers chances for sales therefore ruining our chances at sales therefore no more Electrix. Of course you are going to want to negotiate the best price possible and I realize it seems insane to say "actually, that price is too low. Let me pay more". This is just a warning that whoever sells it at that price is making no money at all and why would they do that? Also, Please consider that promoting this price (if it exists) can damage our ability to survive and continue to even produce Repeaters. O.K. I'm off my soap box now. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 20:08:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17446; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:07:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:07:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A03610C.94A8D0BE@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 17:06:20 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT MIDI Guitar/Controllers References: <3.0.32.20001102163749.0068b04c@total.net> <003f01c0456f$15207930$0902a8c0@mercurio.it> <3A02F9BD.FA9881D8@vtx.ch> <007a01c04575$22649080$0902a8c0@mercurio.it> <003401c04586$55c6ccc0$4eddd8cc@gary> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've experimented with midi guitars for a few years now, and never really been happy. OK, OK, I'll admit my midi guitars were the Real Casio, the cheeseball plastic Casio and the Ibanez IMG. I've heard the Ztar name being thrown around every now and again. On paper, the idea seems great. Is it worth it, or has hex pickup-midi technology gotten good enough in the last decade to think about installing one on my Steinberger? If so, which is the "best". I really wouldn't mind a total departure from guitar sounds, if the tracking was great and the response to subtle technique was good. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 20:33:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17887; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:32:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:32:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001103202100.00969380@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: floyd@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 20:31:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: OT MIDI Guitar/Controllers In-Reply-To: <3A03610C.94A8D0BE@zerocrossing.net> References: <3.0.32.20001102163749.0068b04c@total.net> <003f01c0456f$15207930$0902a8c0@mercurio.it> <3A02F9BD.FA9881D8@vtx.ch> <007a01c04575$22649080$0902a8c0@mercurio.it> <003401c04586$55c6ccc0$4eddd8cc@gary> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:06 PM 11/3/00 -0800, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >......... I really wouldn't mind a total departure from guitar >sounds, if the tracking was great and the response to subtle technique was >good. I don't think we'll ever see great response to subtle technique in a Midi Guitar controller. Even the term, subtle technique, itself is up for interpretation. What is important is what you expect out of the MID conversion process and whether or not you are willing to make use of the technology for what it can do. I'm using a GR-50 which is probably about 10 years old technology by now. I think it's better than the Casio, and Yanaha IMG and I think about the same as the newer Roland models. Probably the newer Axon units that have come out in the past 2 or 3 years are better. I haven't been able to find a place to go try one out and compare. Mind you, I'm not interested in the internal sound modules of any of these, my main concern is their ability to convert and send midi to the sound modules I choose to buy on their own merits. I get best results when combining the actual guitar sound with the synthesizer sounds. It helps fill in the missed conversions and mask the glitches while allowing the synthesizers to augment the overall sound. I find great use of the synths for building loops of organized sound - got some loop content in here :-} Having said all this, I would suggest you subscribe to the digital guitar mailing list at http://www.egroups.com/group/digital-guitar It's not such a busy list but is more geared for this topic. ************************ Floyd Miller ***************** floyd@studiodust.com ************ http://www.studiodust.com ******** http://www.studiodust.com/~floyd ***** palace://studiodust.com:9998 ** TPV: http://www.thepalace.com:8000/perl/palentry.pl?ID=WD9S7VM2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 3 22:58:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20027; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 22:57:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 22:57:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 21:52:57 -0800 From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: cheap looper Zoom 508 FS on Harmony To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004501c04623$7bafeaa0$735cfea9@pavilion> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <3.0.32.20001102163749.0068b04c@total.net> <003f01c0456f$15207930$0902a8c0@mercurio.it> <3A02F9BD.FA9881D8@vtx.ch> <007a01c04575$22649080$0902a8c0@mercurio.it> <003401c04586$55c6ccc0$4eddd8cc@gary> <4.2.0.58.20001103202100.00969380@192.168.0.1> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <2enJDC.A.t4E.jj4A6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com NOT MINE DON"T KNOW THE SELLER DON'T E-MAIL ME drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom ZOOM 508 DELAY PEDAL Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: I have a Zoom 508 delay pedal in great condition w/box and power supply. I will take $65 for the two and buyer pays shipping. This has many great sounding programmable delays, tap tempo input jack, built in tuner, and 25 user presets. It can be used stereo via "y" cable connector. Look it up on the Zoom site! Thanks and God bless, C.N. Seller: Chad Nabors, E-mail: cnabors@tnaccess.com (Profile) Location: COOKEVILLE, TN Post Date: 11/3/2000 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 08:28:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23931; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:26:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:26:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <6f.c78c7f2.2735682c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:25:00 EST Subject: Re: OT: Klein wood, chambers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com m, >re: the TT, I may have to reconsider my opinion about that (more is always >more... why not test-drive a TT, for yerself, first? best, dt / SPLaTTeRgeek In stores & online (artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, etc) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD / vinyl; 65 minute EP--- remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) On CeLLDiviSioN/75Ark: http://www.75ark.com SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 09:21:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24402; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:20:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:20:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c201c0466a$42733ca0$463c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: Repeater price Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:19:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As an engineer who has worked at Lucent Technologies in Microelectronics and now in Wireless Network Systems, I understand quite well Damon's plight of ever decreasing margins. However, the market drives everything manufacturers do. Sometimes they are driven to lower manufacturing costs, driven to drive suppliers to lower their costs, driven to lay off employees, driven to streamline processes, driven to live more modestly, or sometimes just driven out of business. And this situation is much more difficult for the small fry company. All I can say, Damon, is best of luck to you. I hope market forces treat you kindly. Folks, if you want a $488 Repeater, please be aware that if Damon wants dealers to stock them, he may have to lower his profit in order to give the dealers the margin they need/demand in order to survive. This will either drive Damon to reduce costs or go out of business. To reduce costs, Damon can push back on his suppliers (who may not budge for a small company), cheapen the product (ruining his reputation), redesign the product (so it costs less to produce), live much more frugally (who wants to do THAT?), or find/invent less expensive manufacturing processes (NOT an easy task, but doable... sometimes). Customers drive the market - economics are currently good (at least in the USA) - you decide what you want to do. Knowledge is power. Best regards to all, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox -----Original Message----- From: Damon Langlois ( Electrix ) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Friday, November 03, 2000 8:06 PM Subject: RE: Repeater price >Hey loopers, >I have a general appeal to everyone interested in buying Repeater. Be >suspicious of anyone offering it for much less than $599. Our suggested >Retail is $749 US so a discount to $599 would be an amazing deal. Repeater >is priced very fairly and we did not leave much room to discount it. All of >our products have the best price possible without huge margins. I can't >imagine why someone would basically give Repeater away but if there is an >asking price of $488 we will have some major problems. > >Setting a price precedence of $488 forces our other dealers to try and match >this price. Unfortunately this price doesn't give the dealer enough margin >to stay in business (in fact $488 is almost no margin at all). This >inevitably results in other dealers not even stocking the product. If no one >else stocks the product we go out of business. > >We are committed to offering cool, unique products that have a high degree >of innovation, quality and affordable prices. At $488 Repeater is devalued >far bellow a reasonable price putting our ability to do the above at great >risk. It also just depreciates the value of the product in general. > >Bottom Line is if Repeater sells for $488 It ruins other retailers chances >for sales therefore ruining our chances at sales therefore no more Electrix. > >Of course you are going to want to negotiate the best price possible and I >realize it seems insane to say "actually, that price is too low. Let me pay >more". This is just a warning that whoever sells it at that price is making >no money at all and why would they do that? Also, Please consider that >promoting this price (if it exists) can damage our ability to survive and >continue to even produce Repeaters. > >O.K. I'm off my soap box now. > >Respect, > >Damon Langlois >Creative Director >Electrix >Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 >http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 09:56:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25147; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:55:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:55:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 14:56:03 +0000 Subject: Re: OT: Klein wood, chambers From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6f.c78c7f2.2735682c@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com t, Well unfortunately I live on an Island (UK) where guitar hardware with that many moving parts is viewed with great suspicion : ) Also a guitar with no headstock is probably the most unfashionable thing to be seen with over here, so the stores don't stock them. My chances of finding a TT available for demo are pretty slim. Martin Shellard > why not test-drive a TT, for yerself, first? > best, > dt / SPLaTTeRgeek > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 09:56:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25068; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:55:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:55:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 09:54:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Repeater price From: Doug Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00c201c0466a$42733ca0$463c5cd1@-> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damon, Bill is exactly right. With all due respect I say: That is your problem. Find a way to make 'em cheaper. From what I've read in your PDF manual you have an incredibly awesome product (if it works :^). Now you need an incredibly awesome price. Maybe you'll actually make money selling them "skins" for the front cover, or service, or software upgrades or... _________________________________ Doug Miller Illustrator / Graphic Designer http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller > All I can say, Damon, is best of luck to you. I hope market forces treat you > kindly. Folks, if you want a $488 Repeater, please be aware that if Damon > wants > dealers to stock them, he may have to lower his profit in order to give the > dealers the margin they need/demand in order to survive. This will either > drive > Damon to reduce costs or go out of business. >>Setting a price precedence of $488 forces our other dealers to try and match >>this price. Unfortunately this price doesn't give the dealer enough margin >>to stay in business (in fact $488 is almost no margin at all). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 10:05:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25449; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:05:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:05:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: irwell.zetnet.co.uk: Host man-a019.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.19] claimed to be abc Message-ID: <00c001c04670$d8f6ac60$ce2cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: OT: Klein wood, chambers Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 15:06:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <1Tf52C.A.fNG.GWCB6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Well unfortunately I live on an Island (UK) where guitar hardware with that > many moving parts is viewed with great suspicion : ) Also a guitar with no > headstock is probably the most unfashionable thing to be seen with over > here, so the stores don't stock them. My chances of finding a TT available > for demo are pretty slim. I write for a Guitar mag and have never come across one for sale in the UK... Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com ***solo gig in London on Nov 17th - see web-site for details*** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 10:05:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25448; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:04:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:04:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: irwell.zetnet.co.uk: Host man-a019.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.19] claimed to be abc Message-ID: <00bf01c04670$d81dffa0$ce2cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater price {OT} Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 15:05:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Damon, Bill is exactly right. With all due respect I say: That is your > problem. Find a way to make 'em cheaper. From what I've read in your PDF > manual you have an incredibly awesome product (if it works :^). Now you need > an incredibly awesome price. Maybe you'll actually make money selling them > "skins" for the front cover, or service, or software upgrades or... Well, yes, ultimately it is Damon's problem, but by forcing prices down like this, we end up with inferior product, manufactured in conditions that non of us would want out families working in. It's this kind of hard bargaining that has in part contributed to manufacturing being moved to countries that have fewer health and safety regulations, thus saving money for the companies, but contributing to the problems in a lot of countries in the far east. Quite a few music equipment manufacturers are making stuff in China now, where much of the factory labour is prison based, often people who are wrongly imprisoned for 'political crimes', who are then forced to work in inhumane conditions to make profit for the Chinese government and to increase the profit margins for western companies who are heading towards more and more price and quality cuts... It's the logical concequence of share-holder as opposed to stake-holder economics, and requires everyone who cares to do their bit. I've no idea what Damon's stance is on ethical trading, but by driving the street price lower and lower, more and more pressure will be on him to cut prices, and cheap labour is one way of doing that, though the lack of training involved in the work situation also means that quality suffers. If I buy a Repeater I'd much rather know that it's been made and checked by someone qualified, getting paid a sensible wage with all the health and safety issues that we take for granted in most of the west being looked out for... cheers Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com ***solo gig in London on Nov 17th - see web-site for details*** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 10:10:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25818; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:09:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:09:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011e01c04670$a4cdb500$463c5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #189 Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:04:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #189 November 2, 2000. On this show, I started a month-long focus on Groove compilation CDs. The feature CD at Midnight was "Out There Lies the Truth" the first of four CDs of music inspired by the X Files television series and released when Groove was called Cue. I played the music of Vidna Obmana in anticipation of his upcoming November 4 performance at the Gathering. I also played the music of Music For Isolation Tanks (a.k.a. David Talento) to promote his upcoming show in our own back yard on Friday, November 10 at the Borders Bookstore in Whitehall. Groove Unlimited http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2000/focus00.html#nov The Gatherings http://www.thegatherings.org/29gather.html Music For Isolation Tanks http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/ ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Music for Isolation Tanks Track 7 Live at Electrolust (Help Wanted) Vidna Obmana The First Coil The Surreal Sanctuary (Hypnos) VA [Paul Nagle] Track 2 Concerts from Jodrell Bank (Neu Harmony) Robert Scott Thompson Effulence Blue Day (Aucourant) Robert Carty That Desert Feel Part 1 The Inexplicable (Deep Sky) Remy Image One The Art of Imagination (Groove/AKH) 12:00 am VA [Boots & Hemisphere] X-truders Out There Lies the Truth (Groove) VA [Muns & Marselje] Beyond Out There Lies the Truth (Groove) VA [Boots & Aerts] Superficial Analysis of Out There Lies the Truth (Groove) the Unsound Mind VA [Van Engelen & Borderline Out There Lies the Truth (Groove) Marselje] VA [Eric & Harold High Speed X-ing Out There Lies the Truth (Groove) Van Der Heijden] VA [Ron Boots & Eric The Machine * Out There Lies the Truth (Groove) Van Der Heijden] 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on compilation discs from the Dutch label Groove Unlimited. Next week's feature CD at midnight will be "The Truth Is Twisted." I will also play the music of Music For Isolation Tanks in anticipation of the show at the Borders Bookstore in Whitehall on November 10. See the events page for details. http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 10:36:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26283; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:35:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:35:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:39:20 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Repeater price Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Damon, Bill is exactly right. With all due respect I say: That is your >problem. Find a way to make 'em cheaper. From what I've read in your PDF >manual you have an incredibly awesome product (if it works :^). Now you need >an incredibly awesome price. Why would he? Let them make some money for the developpment, the price is low for what you get and there is nothing similar out. I was impressed by the manual, I must say... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 10:45:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26530; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:45:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:45:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A04AC66.38C3E599@vtx.ch> Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 16:40:06 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: Gig in Switzerland References: <3A0312FD.66D9813@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6mox0D.A.ZeG.p7CB6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matt lance thanks a lot It went very well 100 people sofas and couches everywhere.... excellent PA great listening lot of compliments good pay the rest is difficult to explain in english for me nobody from the list showed up... bah next time Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 11:10:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27052; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 11:09:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 11:09:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <027001c0467a$5c82bc00$ee300018@potlnd1.or.home.com> From: "Neil Goldstein" To: References: <00bf01c04670$d81dffa0$ce2cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Repeater price {OT} Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:14:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting discussion on market economics. >From another angle, I was under the impression that the special group buy price was actually endorsed by Electrix, exclusively for Loopers-Delight members, as the group provided feedback, support, and enthusiasm as the product developed. Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 11:40:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27445; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 11:40:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 11:40:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.d817293.2735959c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 11:38:52 EST Subject: Re: OT: Klein wood, chambers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_5b.d817293.2735959c_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: Unknown sub 171 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_5b.d817293.2735959c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/04/2000 8:55:47 AM Central Standard Time, martins@pwdu.demon.co.uk writes: > My chances of finding a TT available > for demo are pretty slim. > > Martin: If you were thinking of buying a Klein (which is where this thread started), you might call Lorenzo at Klein and ask if he can send you one of his demo models. Three years ago, he sent me one: it was blue, and had the old composite neck rather than the current rosewood, but it did have a TT, and it was fun to play... this required my making a deposit, but, hey, who would send a nice guitar like that to someone without one? I even took it out on a gig on the night of its arrival here... it drew some funny looks... Once I played it, I was hooked... and the guitar you actually can buy is so superior to the demo... kevin --part1_5b.d817293.2735959c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/04/2000 8:55:47 AM Central Standard Time,
martins@pwdu.demon.co.uk writes:


My chances of finding a TT available
for demo are pretty slim.



Martin:

If you were thinking of buying a Klein (which is where this thread started),
you might call Lorenzo at Klein and ask if he can send you one of his demo
models.  Three years ago, he sent me one: it was blue, and had the old
composite neck rather than the current rosewood, but it did have a TT, and it
was fun to play... this required my making a deposit, but, hey, who would
send a nice guitar like that to someone without one?

I even took it out on a gig on the night of its arrival here... it drew some
funny looks...

Once I played it, I was hooked... and the guitar you actually can buy is so
superior to the demo...

kevin --part1_5b.d817293.2735959c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 11:41:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27480; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 11:40:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 11:40:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001104163953.71154.qmail@web10606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:39:53 -0800 (PST) From: ben stuben Subject: new to this To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Last spring I purchased a line 6 delay modeler and since then I've been working with the looping feature. I'm finding it somewhat limited, althought I have worked out a two hour performance with this pedal, a wha-wha, and an octave pedal. Anyhow, someone recomended puchasing an Oberhiem/echoplex. I've been to the gibson/oberhiem site, but I'm having a hard time finding a place to buy one. Any suggestions. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 12:33:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28028; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 12:32:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 12:32:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00bf01c04670$d81dffa0$ce2cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> References: <00bf01c04670$d81dffa0$ce2cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 12:23:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Repeater price {OT} Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Steve Lawson" wrote: > > Damon, Bill is exactly right. With all due respect I say: That is your > > problem. Find a way to make 'em cheaper. From what I've read in your PDF > > manual you have an incredibly awesome product (if it works :^). Now you >need > > an incredibly awesome price. Maybe you'll actually make money selling them > > "skins" for the front cover, or service, or software upgrades or... > >Well, yes, ultimately it is Damon's problem, but by forcing prices down like >this, we end up with inferior product, manufactured in conditions that non >of us would want out families working in. Absolutely. When it comes down to it, I think that we'd all rather get a Repeater as described that worked perfectly for $600 than an unreliable unit for $400. /t ...bunker:extreme (11/07) .. ...electronic a cappella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 12:38:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28229; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 12:37:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 12:37:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.174.161] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater price {OT} Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 18:36:55 CET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2000 17:36:55.0476 (UTC) FILETIME=[D339F740:01C04685] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think Steve got it right! As Matthias points out Repeater's price is surprisingly LOW, just reading all the promises in its manual. Loopers in USA, in Europe we payed the same money for a Jamman, WITHOUT memory expansion, 5 or 6 years ago ! ! ! So I can't really consider that price high. All the worst experiences I've had in 15 years of equipment buying come from cheap marketing choices: When Lexicon LXP5 came out in 1989, I got one of the very first 5 in Hollywood Guitar Center, being in Los Angeles to attend GIT. Well...the first stock missed all factory presets! ! ! They had to retire the LXPs and put some stuff back into...those boxes were made in the far East. My first AND last MPXG2 was terribly F.....Up...the second worked...again made in the same area. Problems in the Soldano SP77 preamps made over there. When a factory tries to squeeze prices TOO MUCH, chances are buyers are going to get big crap, bad labour, software bugs, poor hardware breaking up very soon and tons of other unexpected surprises. Sometimes 30 or 50 bucks can make a huge difference in terms of reliability and quality, so let's just see how the "new thing" worx and...if the promise has been kept...well, you tell how the story will end... best Italoooop >From: "Steve Lawson" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: Repeater price {OT} >Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 15:05:51 -0000 > > > Damon, Bill is exactly right. With all due respect I say: That is your > > problem. Find a way to make 'em cheaper. From what I've read in your PDF > > manual you have an incredibly awesome product (if it works :^). Now you >need > > an incredibly awesome price. Maybe you'll actually make money selling >them > > "skins" for the front cover, or service, or software upgrades or... > >Well, yes, ultimately it is Damon's problem, but by forcing prices down >like >this, we end up with inferior product, manufactured in conditions that non >of us would want out families working in. It's this kind of hard bargaining >that has in part contributed to manufacturing being moved to countries that >have fewer health and safety regulations, thus saving money for the >companies, but contributing to the problems in a lot of countries in the >far >east. Quite a few music equipment manufacturers are making stuff in China >now, where much of the factory labour is prison based, often people who are >wrongly imprisoned for 'political crimes', who are then forced to work in >inhumane conditions to make profit for the Chinese government and to >increase the profit margins for western companies who are heading towards >more and more price and quality cuts... > >It's the logical concequence of share-holder as opposed to stake-holder >economics, and requires everyone who cares to do their bit. > >I've no idea what Damon's stance is on ethical trading, but by driving the >street price lower and lower, more and more pressure will be on him to cut >prices, and cheap labour is one way of doing that, though the lack of >training involved in the work situation also means that quality suffers. If >I buy a Repeater I'd much rather know that it's been made and checked by >someone qualified, getting paid a sensible wage with all the health and >safety issues that we take for granted in most of the west being looked out >for... > >cheers > >Steve >web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk >e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk >mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com > >***solo gig in London on Nov 17th - see web-site for details*** > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 12:53:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28476; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 12:52:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 12:52:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 11:47:42 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200011041747.LAA24004@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: Repeater price {OT} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com until now that was the only thing I lacked to see in this group; a product destroyed by people who want to buy it cheap... burdens of capitalism :-D At 08:14 a.m. 04/11/00 -0800, you wrote: >Interesting discussion on market economics. > >From another angle, I was under the impression that the special group buy >price was actually endorsed by Electrix, exclusively for Loopers-Delight >members, as the group provided feedback, support, and enthusiasm as the >product developed. > >Neil > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 13:24:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28912; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:23:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:23:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A045573.14DDB731@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 10:31:09 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gig in Switzerland References: <3A0312FD.66D9813@earthlink.net> <3A04AC66.38C3E599@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude Voit wrote: > Matt lance > > thanks a lot > > It went very well > 100 people sofas and couches everywhere.... > excellent PA > great listening > lot of compliments > good pay > the rest is difficult to explain in english for me > > nobody from the list showed up... > > bah next time > > Claude and you got paid? i'm movin' :-) lance g. ps did it get recorded? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 13:39:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29147; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:38:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:38:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:36:48 EST Subject: Re: TC Electronics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 11/2/00 6:07:47 AM, webmaster@masaccio.it writes: >Does anyone know the new TC Electronc D-Two delay? > >Is it a valid looping device? I have one, and it can certainly loop, once you add foot controls: either a volume pedal in front or a footswitch to bypass, so you can play over your loop, plus a MIDI footpedal to control feedback. It's a very interesting piece... David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 14:06:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29651; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 14:05:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 14:05:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c04692$37ae1920$dba00e97@pirassic> From: "Leonardo Piras" To: References: Subject: R: TC Electronics Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:05:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the info. What about the dynamic and rhythm delay features? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 14:55:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30189; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 14:54:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 14:54:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001104113659.00b6c1e0@crash.cts.com> X-Sender: harvey@crash.cts.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 11:36:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Harvey Starr Subject: Re: OT Polyphony (was: rant from hell) In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20001103110952.00b82540@crash.cts.com> <00a301c044f9$5ddd3ee0$7bb387d8@cliff> <00a301c044f9$5ddd3ee0$7bb387d8@cliff> <3.0.6.32.20001103110952.00b82540@crash.cts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sorry I never saw the 'rant from hell' that generated this thread. Anyway... t 10:17 PM 11/3/00 -0300, you wrote: >>May I interject here that each string on the Ztar is fully polyphonic. In >>its POLY mode every note you can touch will sound. The real application for >>this is when playing tapping style. I"m not aware of a guitar that will do >>this. >> >>So, if we wanted to get back on-topic, I might add that you could hold a >>chord with one hand, and tap a note higher up on the fingerboard with the >>other hand in a zone of keys dedicated to start/stop your EDP. :) > >oh, you can put out several notes simultaneously on the same string? >Thats amazing... but the instrument does not create any audio output, >so it would not make sense to use audio effects, since you can create >any MIDI sound on any string, right? Right. It's a MIDI controller. We've put sound cards onboard, if that helps. It's naturally possible to loop the audio output from the synth. Also, we've built some MIDI looping features into another similar device we make for the Kurzweil company, the EventStation percussion controller. It can capture MIDI events, loop them, build one them, change tempo, stuff like that. That software isn't in our guitar controllers yet, though. :( > >Can you automatically select the lowest *played* string and put a >bass note only on that, as Polysubbass does? > Never thought of that! It wouldn't be hard to add a routine to do that in MIDI. Interesting idea. If you add your bass note in the audio, do you have any control over the timbre or voice-selection? thanks, harveyS >> >>At 04:50 PM 11/3/00 -0300, you wrote: >>>>My guitar is already "polyphonic" - what does the system you speak of >>>>actually do? >>>> >>> >>>have a look at http://Matthias.Grob.org/pParad/Parad.htm >>>and http://Matthias.Grob.org/pEE/Invent.htm >>>-- >>> >>> >>> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org >>> >>> >>> >>http://www.starrlabs.com > >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > http://www.starrlabs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 15:18:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30834; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 15:17:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 15:17:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 12:13:43 -0800 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP playback volume decreasing bug In-reply-to: <20001104002056.21434.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Kim, >For our edification, what part is it? >bret sorry...the crystals used to clock the system. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 15:30:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31317; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 15:29:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 15:29:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A139C85.F05B87EE@bellsouth.net> References: <3A139C85.F05B87EE@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 15:29:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: looping gig, 11/07, Knitting Factory Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 11/07: bunker: extreme with tr, Planetary Commission The ongoing Bunker: extreme series continues with an evening of live electronic music featuring The Planetary Commission and your faithful host, Tom Ritchford. This might be my *last show of the millennium* (which ends in a few weeks as we move into 2001 and the real start of the twenty-first century) as I have nothing else booked and many other projects to finish. The Planetary Commission is spacey, compelling beats in a luminous atmosphere of sound. I'm voice, MIDI wind, MIDI hand-drum and many loops and effects, you know... all live and no samples or sequences. The show's on Tuesday, November 7 at 10pm. It's in the KnitActive Soundstage in the Knitting Factory (74 Leonard St, NY, NY) and the cost is an affordable $5. The Planetary Commission will have the first set, I'm second and we'll end up the evening with a third set of group improvisation. b there || b**2 /t ...bunker:extreme (11/07) .. ...electronic a cappella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 17:20:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32678; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 17:19:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 17:19:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.172.177] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: R: TC Electronics Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 23:17:51 CET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2000 22:17:51.0247 (UTC) FILETIME=[120C81F0:01C046AD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Leo, you can download D2's manual at www.tcelectronic.com...it might be useful for you....best Italo >From: "Leonardo Piras" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: R: TC Electronics >Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:05:36 +0100 > >Thanks for the info. >What about the dynamic and rhythm delay features? > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 18:14:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00828; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 18:13:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 18:13:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c0474b$4372f320$51f78ec6@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron street" To: Subject: Repeater Price. Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 09:10:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01C04708.345D15C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C04708.345D15C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey folks! In australia, We are gonna pay $1400 for 1. How about them apples. Cam. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C04708.345D15C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey folks! In australia,  We are gonna pay = $1400 for=20 1.
How about them apples. = Cam.
------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C04708.345D15C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 18:16:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01036; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 18:15:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 18:15:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001104170825.01d0b2e0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 17:09:17 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: R: TC Electronics In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com italo de angelis (04:17 PM 11.04.2000) wrote: >Leo, you can download D2's manual at www.tcelectronic.com...it might be >useful for you....best Italo If you have problems with T.C.'s site (they had issues for a while) then I have the manual available as well: http://www.midiwall.com/synths/docs/ Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 18:23:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01185; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 18:22:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 18:22:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401c0474c$7d36bdc0$51f78ec6@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron street" To: Subject: Repeater price. Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 09:19:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C04709.6E840F00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C04709.6E840F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't you guy's think it would be decent to pay a little bit more, just to support a=20 great company like "Electrix". For developing such a great product. Maybe not $1400. These guy's need money to develope new product like, maybe a Repeater mark 2. Cam. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C04709.6E840F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Don't you guy's think it would be = decent
to pay a little bit more, just to support a =
great company like "Electrix". For = developing
such a great product. Maybe not $1400.
These guy's need money to develope new
product like, maybe a Repeater mark 2.
Cam.
------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C04709.6E840F00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 19:50:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02422; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 19:49:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 19:49:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 18:45:24 -0800 From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Repeater Price. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002f01c046d2$733b0c60$735cfea9@pavilion> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C0468F.6480BC80" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <003901c0474b$4372f320$51f78ec6@mpx.com.au> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C0468F.6480BC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yeah, but you get your bloody didjeridus for a song . . . %^) drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht From: cameron street=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 9:10 AM Subject: Repeater Price. Hey folks! In australia, We are gonna pay $1400 for 1. How about them apples. Cam. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C0468F.6480BC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
yeah, but you get your bloody = didjeridus for a song=20 . . .
 
%^)
 
drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
Tom Lambrecht
 
 
From:=20 cameron=20 street
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 = 9:10=20 AM
Subject: Repeater Price.

Hey folks! In australia,  We are gonna pay = $1400 for=20 1.
How about them apples.=20 Cam.
------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C0468F.6480BC80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 4 21:17:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03573; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 21:16:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 21:16:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 02:16:14 +0000 Subject: Re: OT: Klein wood, chambers From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5b.d817293.2735959c@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_gzu-B.A.m2.MLMB6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've already taken the plunge and ordered my klein, it's really just the transtrem issue that I'm in two or three minds about, although I have kind of decided to go with the S trem for now. Since I'm in the UK, shipping a demo is asking a bit much of Lorenzo. Actually the thread started when someone else asked about Kleins, I'm happily twiddling my thumbs until mine shows up. Martin Shellard > > Martin: > > If you were thinking of buying a Klein (which is where this thread started), > you might call Lorenzo at Klein and ask if he can send you one of his demo > models. Three years ago, he sent me one: it was blue, and had the old > composite neck rather than the current rosewood, but it did have a TT, and it > was fun to play... this required my making a deposit, but, hey, who would > send a nice guitar like that to someone without one? > > I even took it out on a gig on the night of its arrival here... it drew some > funny looks... > > Once I played it, I was hooked... and the guitar you actually can buy is so > superior to the demo... > > kevin > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 5 08:18:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09109; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 08:17:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 08:17:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011801c0472a$9342c900$da55893e@oemcomputer> From: "Lee Fletcher" To: Subject: CENTROZOON : Update 2 (Slightly Off-Topic) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 13:16:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's the latest @ http://www.centrozoon.de. (My apologies for any cross-posting.) The public production is gathering momentum, as 'Bibbiboo' begins to find her form... Producer Derek DiFilippo has now uploaded the first six FULL LENGTH mixes for public scrutiny. Check them out for free, and join in the fun... To aid those of you with slow connections or costly Internet access, Derek has now provided RealAudio equivalents for streaming / download. (Please note that the current 'full length' mp3s will be removed after 10th November.) Big news! - In the spirit of this public production CENTROZOON have announced a free contest to name the (as yet untitled) tracks. The winning authors will ultimately see their titles displayed on the ensuing 'Cult Of : Bibbiboo' CD, (in addition to receiving a copy of the band's debut album 'Blast' / plus an official T-shirt.) A dedicated Contest Page will shortly be set-up, but in the meantime you can register your entries in the Public Production area. If you missed my original post and are consequently wondering what the heck I'm talking about, then I suggest pointing your browser towards http://www.centrozoon.de to sample the divine beast :-) We hope to see you there. Regards, Lee Fletcher. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 5 09:52:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09675; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 09:51:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 09:51:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 09:49:50 EST Subject: Re: R: TC Electronics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 11/4/00 2:05:06 PM, webmaster@masaccio.it writes: >What about the dynamic and rhythm delay features? Well, they work fine, with this caveat: I was expecting that whatever rhythms you create would repeat seamlessly when set to high or full feedback, as they do on my Korg DL8000 delay. But the D2 appears to be set up primarily for one-repeat rhythms; it's not a cross-feedback delay line, so if you want a pattern to repeat identically ("da-ditdit-da-ditdit-da-ditdit...," not "da-ditdit-ditdit-ditdit-ditdit"), you have to add a da at the end of your da-ditdit pattern. Hope that's clear. Also, I find the D2, and its manual, pretty opaque whenever you want it to do something its designers didn't plan for, but still allow; I've slowly figgered out how to make it do what I want, but it ain't the most intuitive device I've encountered. Sounds great, tho! David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 5 10:49:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10169; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 10:48:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 10:48:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001105154738.24385.qmail@web4203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 12:47:38 -0300 (ART) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Henrique=20Roscoe?= Subject: waldorf 4-pole To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'd just bought a Waldorf 4-pole and it's really great. I want to know where I can find patches for it. Is there a way to edit the sounds by PC? I'm a guitar player and I'm using the guitar signal as an analog input. I'd like to know how can I get these sounds: - a long sweep sounf - a string like sound - a overdrive Thanks Henrique Roscoe (Brazil) ________________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Crie o seu e-mail grátis do Yahoo! Mail com 6 Megabytes livres! http://mail.yahoo.com.br From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 5 12:01:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10940; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 12:00:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 12:00:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A060F83.14AF152E@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 17:55:15 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: waldorf 4-pole References: <20001105154738.24385.qmail@web4203.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Henrique Roscoe wrote: > > Hi, > > I'd just bought a Waldorf 4-pole and it's really > great. it is > I want to know where I can find patches for it. the problem with patches is that you never know what they were intended for read the manual again be sure to understand the words and concepts (The waldorf manual is intended to people that already have experience with the analog synth world) more on analog synth in general http://www.synthfool.com/ http://www.sonicstate.com/ http://www.synthzone.com/ > Is there a way to edit the sounds by PC? Sound diver has a librarian and editor that works fine :very graphical you have all value in one window and could be a great help to understand whats going on > I'm a guitar player and I'm using the guitar signal as > an analog input. idem > I'd like to know how can I get these sounds: > - a long sweep sound assign cut off freq modulation to val 1 :LFO go to lfo select the frequency and vaveshape > - a string like sound the original sound is your guitar so.... ----violin attack------ vca envellope volume : 64 trigger: audio create an envellope with a relative long attack -------tremolo-------- assign volume modulation source to val:1 lfo and volume modulation to max go to lfo select the frequency and vaveshape > - a overdrive crank the input but its ugly better put the ditortion before the 4 pole Aouch Good luck claude > Thanks > > Henrique Roscoe > (Brazil) > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Crie o seu e-mail grátis do Yahoo! Mail com 6 Megabytes livres! > http://mail.yahoo.com.br From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 5 15:14:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13402; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 15:12:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 15:12:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c04764$b13adb20$14a10e97@pirassic> From: "Leonardo Piras" To: References: Subject: R: R: TC Electronics Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 21:12:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the info. That's very kind of you. I think i'll get one someday....because the 2290 is way too high priced. All sources i had about this unit said it was amazingly easy to use.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 5 16:07:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14292; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 16:06:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 16:06:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <12.474d50e.27372211@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 15:50:25 EST Subject: Re: R: R: TC Electronics D-2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: <-QqoBD.A.TeD.gscB6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 11/5/00 3:11:48 PM, webmaster@masaccio.it writes: >All sources i had about this unit said it was amazingly easy to use.... Only if you want to do just what the designers THINK you'll want...looping with delay rhythms isn't one of those things---but it's not THAT difficult. It's certainly a cool delay... David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 5 17:09:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15340; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 17:08:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 17:08:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.32.20001105165350.0068c5f8@total.net> X-Sender: chleduc@total.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 16:53:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Christian Leduc Subject: Re: R: TC Electronics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <4WhTgB.A.cvD.2odB6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi david, Just a little question about the d-2.. What is the maximum delay length? I didn't find that info on their web site... I love your "da didit didit" thing!!! :) It reminds me of an indian system who uses phonetic syllables to "explain" rythm to the fellow musicians.. if I'm remember correctly, it is the Konnakhol system... Sorry.. off-topic!!! Best, Christian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 5 23:28:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21260; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 23:26:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 23:26:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001104113659.00b6c1e0@crash.cts.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20001103110952.00b82540@crash.cts.com> <00a301c044f9$5ddd3ee0$7bb387d8@cliff> <00a301c044f9$5ddd3ee0$7bb387d8@cliff> <3.0.6.32.20001103110952.00b82540@crash.cts.com> <3.0.6.32.20001104113659.00b6c1e0@crash.cts.com> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 02:29:34 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: OT Polyphony (was: rant from hell) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com harveyS said: >I'm sorry I never saw the 'rant from hell' that generated this thread. >Anyway... Rik Elswit ad written: >The VG8 was a true breakthrough instrument, and Line 6, Johnson >Millenium, and >Yamaha are all following Roland on this. ... and since I had such questions in mind, I reacted... I am sorry... > >t 10:17 PM 11/3/00 -0300, you wrote: >>>May I interject here that each string on the Ztar is fully polyphonic. In >>>its POLY mode every note you can touch will sound. The real application for >>>this is when playing tapping style. I"m not aware of a guitar that will do >>>this. >>> >>>So, if we wanted to get back on-topic, I might add that you could hold a >>>chord with one hand, and tap a note higher up on the fingerboard with the >>>other hand in a zone of keys dedicated to start/stop your EDP. :) >> >>oh, you can put out several notes simultaneously on the same string? >>Thats amazing... but the instrument does not create any audio output, >>so it would not make sense to use audio effects, since you can create >>any MIDI sound on any string, right? > >Right. It's a MIDI controller. We've put sound cards onboard, if that >helps. It's naturally possible to loop the audio output from the synth. >Also, we've built some MIDI looping features into another similar device we >make for the Kurzweil company, the EventStation percussion controller. It >can capture MIDI events, loop them, build one them, change tempo, stuff >like that. That software isn't in our guitar controllers yet, though. :( >> >>Can you automatically select the lowest *played* string and put a > >bass note only on that, as Polysubbass does? > >Never thought of that! It wouldn't be hard to add a routine to do that in >MIDI. Interesting idea. yes, its very handy... I actually have a patent on it :-) >If you add your bass note in the audio, do you have >any control over the timbre or voice-selection? If you want a separate bass to appear, you want to select its sound, and MIDI is probably the best. But if you just want to add the "orchestral" function of a bass discretely, you stick with the guitar sound and add the lower fundamental with some third to make it appear. Since the lower octave is in phase, it melts with the original string sounds as if they were the harmonics. As for the attack, the original of the guitar is enough, very low frequencies in it are just disturbing. - yes, I have not seen any other octaver work like this... >thanks, >harveyS welcome, tell me how its going... >http://www.starrlabs.com this did not work for me, unfortunately all internal links said "not found"... > >>At 04:50 PM 11/3/00 -0300, you wrote: >>>>>My guitar is already "polyphonic" - what does the system you speak of >>>>>actually do? >>>>> >>>> >>>>have a look at http://Matthias.Grob.org/pParad/Parad.htm > >>>and http://Matthias.Grob.org/pEE/Invent.htm > > -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 6 01:05:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22772; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 01:04:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 01:04:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: XJ32@aol.com Message-ID: <32.c4ef739.2737a38f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 01:02:55 EST Subject: Repeater street date ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 124 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all, First of all Damon, THANK You for what promises to be a looper's dream. I have been an avid Jamman user in both live performance and in the studio (5 CDs) for the past 7 or so years and while the jamman will not be thrown in the trash, I am eagerly awaiting the arrival of the Repeater. In fact I have not been this excited by a piece of gear since I found a used Wavedrum. Tonight I plan on digging into the beta manual. (This is also an awesome move by a company to build consumer loyalty and support.) My question is: Is the Repeater still scheduled to ship mid November? As in a week or two? I have two on order at a local store. (Prepaid) Also I thought I remembered reading on your web sight that the repeater would come with a smart media card? The manual does not mention this? Next, to every one complaining about and demanding the a lower price... The Jamman is the result of trying to hit a lower consumer price point. I have heard from some of Jamman's developers that the unit was supposed to have more features and hardware and that they were all dropped to keep prices down. This is very common in the market place. I actually am unsure how you packed so much power in the Repeater for it's price. I also remember the MPX-1 was supposed to have some of Jamman's looping features...this never materialized either. Damon, thanks again. I also recently purchased a Filter Factory, and am bugging my wife for a MOFX for Christmas. You guys make awesome, solid stuff. I hope the Repeaters ship soon. Paul Vnuk (Ma Ja Le) Moss Garden Music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 6 04:36:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA24729; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 04:35:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 04:35:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002b01c04764$b13adb20$14a10e97@pirassic> References: <002b01c04764$b13adb20$14a10e97@pirassic> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 07:39:09 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: TC Electronics Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9Y6e1B.A.RCG.psnB6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Thanks for the info. That's very kind of you. >I think i'll get one someday....because the 2290 is way too high priced. >All sources i had about this unit said it was amazingly easy to use.... I used one from 85-88 and then found the change to the modified PCM42 an improvement. It had a unique sound quality then, but now... Just look at the functions you get from a "real" looper! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 6 06:09:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA25724; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 06:07:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 06:07:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A06912B.795EA58E@t-online.de> Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 12:08:30 +0100 From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) Reply-To: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: waldorf 4-pole References: <20001105154738.24385.qmail@web4203.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender: 0265142411-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, the Waldorf 4Pole is a fine external Filtersection,basically thought for usage in synthesis.It is the Filter of the Microwave. Eventhough-as standalone device-it can be used also for other audiorealted work.And it is very flexible. Use it as Pseudo Ringmodulator,or as Stereo AM,use it as Noisegate, rudimentary compressor,Touchwah,over Midi as Wah-Wah,envelope Follower and so on.... The 4Pole can be controled by a PC,recommended in a Sequencer,or just an Editing Software. Programms 21 to 24 are especially created for guitar. Programs 21 to 40 are fixed Presets.1 to 20 are for Userpatches. Please read the manual again-eventhough it is not a detailed one. It has no overdrive,nevertheless you can overdrive the Inputsection, but better not,it sounds not good. Stringsounds can be realized with the VCA-Envelope.But be aware of the Triggermode and time. Controller routing is flexible ! Sweepsounds can be realized with slow LFO and Resonance. The LFO is really great,it reaches from 0,008 Hz to around 241 Hz. So a kind of Ringmodulation is possible.Really sick ! :-) If more questions,contact me again Marty Henrique Roscoe wrote: > > Hi, > > I'd just bought a Waldorf 4-pole and it's really > great. > > I want to know where I can find patches for it. > Is there a way to edit the sounds by PC? > > I'm a guitar player and I'm using the guitar signal as > an analog input. > I'd like to know how can I get these sounds: > - a long sweep sounf > - a string like sound > - a overdrive > > Thanks > > Henrique Roscoe > (Brazil) > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Crie o seu e-mail grátis do Yahoo! Mail com 6 Megabytes livres! > http://mail.yahoo.com.br From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 6 13:35:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31568; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 13:33:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 13:33:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ff01c0481f$850bc120$44e28cd1@alanis> From: "Paul Buelow" To: , Subject: [all] stereo to mono phase problems Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 10:29:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FC_01C047DC.75E51AE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FC_01C047DC.75E51AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am looking for help with out of phase or muddy sound. Occasionally, I = have an "out of phase" problem if I select mix to mono through my mixer = to the amp and monitors. I understand this problem occurs from incorrect = or faulty wiring. I tried switching the polarity of one of the speakers = and vice versa. Could it be that the shielding has broken down in the = cables from the mixer to the amp? Any ideas about what to watch out for = to resolve phase problems or suggestions for references. By the way, if = I record mono channels and use a stereoizer for the final mix I can get = a good mono signal. I don't really want mono, but I would like t have = the ability to pan to center without producing muddy sound. Thank you = for all your assistance. -Paul ------=_NextPart_000_00FC_01C047DC.75E51AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am looking for help with out of phase = or muddy=20 sound. Occasionally, I have an "out of phase" problem if I select = mix to=20 mono through my mixer to the amp and monitors. I understand this problem = occurs=20 from incorrect or faulty wiring. I tried switching the polarity of one = of the=20 speakers and vice versa. Could it be that the shielding has broken down = in the=20 cables from the mixer to the amp? Any ideas about what to watch out for = to=20 resolve phase problems or suggestions for references. By the way, if I = record=20 mono channels and use a stereoizer for the final mix I can get a good = mono=20 signal. I don't really want mono, but I would like t have the ability to = pan to center without producing muddy sound. Thank you for all your = assistance. -Paul
------=_NextPart_000_00FC_01C047DC.75E51AE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 6 13:52:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32032; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 13:51:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 13:51:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: [all] stereo to mono phase problems To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:47:17 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 11/06/2000 12:47:17 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If your problem is one of being out of phase, then switching the polarity of only one of your monitors would fix the problem only if one entire side (left or right) is completely out of phase with the other. What is more likely happening is that a stereo source coming into the mixer and panned hard left and right is out of phase with only itself, leaving the rest of the mix phase-correct. If this is the case, switching the polarity of one channel in your amp or monitor will only make the problem worse, as you may fix one track, but ruin all the rest. Many mixers have a "phase invert" function on the individual channels. I suspect that you may have inadvertently activated this function on only a single input. If that's not the case, then perhaps there's a similar function further up the signal chain? You need to isolate the instrument or track that is sounding "muddy" (and often times the out-of-phase sound is better described as "hollow" or "thin"--maybe we don't even have the right diagnosis?), and track it's signal. If the shielding in your speaking or amp cables is faulty, the likelihood's is that you'd get a short, and not any out-of-phase problems. I doubt this is a concern. This is my absolutely amateur analysis. "Paul Buelow" , om> cc: 11/06/00 Subject: [all] stereo to mono phase problems 12:29 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht I am looking for help with out of phase or muddy sound. Occasionally, I have an "out of phase" problem if I select mix to mono through my mixer to the amp and monitors. I understand this problem occurs from incorrect or faulty wiring. I tried switching the polarity of one of the speakers and vice versa. Could it be that the shielding has broken down in the cables from the mixer to the amp? Any ideas about what to watch out for to resolve phase problems or suggestions for references. By the way, if I record mono channels and use a stereoizer for the final mix I can get a good mono signal. I don't really want mono, but I would like t have the ability to pan to center without producing muddy sound. Thank you for all your assistance. -Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 6 14:30:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32683; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:28:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:28:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02c201c04826$649f6a20$0300a8c0@foothilltransit.org> From: "phalen orion" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater price Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 11:18:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can someone forward me the email with the number to call about the repeater group buy? I somehow managed to lose it. Thanks, Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 6 14:31:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32732; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:29:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:29:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix6.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:20:51 -0500 (EST) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: cubase@egroups.com Subject: Re: [all] stereo to mono phase problems In-Reply-To: <00ff01c0481f$850bc120$44e28cd1@alanis> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what is the nature of the source program material? a:c On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Paul Buelow wrote: > I am looking for help with out of phase or muddy sound. Occasionally, I have an "out of phase" problem if I select mix to mono through my mixer to the amp and monitors. I understand this problem occurs from incorrect or faulty wiring. I tried switching the polarity of one of the speakers and vice versa. Could it be that the shielding has broken down in the cables from the mixer to the amp? Any ideas about what to watch out for to resolve phase problems or suggestions for references. By the way, if I record mono channels and use a stereoizer for the final mix I can get a good mono signal. I don't really want mono, but I would like t have the ability to pan to center without producing muddy sound. Thank you for all your assistance. -Paul > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 6 14:39:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00769; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:38:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:38:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A0707FB.A1107761@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 11:35:27 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater price/ Price fixing. References: <004401c0474c$7d36bdc0$51f78ec6@mpx.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey. Welcome to the real world folks. As a veteran of many retail music stores and consumer electronics stores I can say that this kind of "Loss leader" is not unheard of. In fact, it is very common. Sure, I get a nice piece of gear near cost. Result? I have a nice pleasant warm fuzzy feeling in my left toe when I think of Alto music. Has Electrix suffered? Of course not. They are selling lots of units. Maybe they give a bit of a volume discount to Alto music, but they're not getting hurt at all, in fact I can't believe that Daemon is complaining. The retail price has changed, the wholesale price hasn't. (maybe a tiny bit) Now, I know a bit about markups in the business, (and by the business I mean the industry) and where stores make their big margins is in accessories. Am I going to be happy with the on board memory in my Repeater? No. I'm going to want more. Who will I go to? Possibly the store I have a warm fuzzy feeling for. There is a huge markup in accessories. Frankly, I was so happy with my nice low price that I am buying a Mo-FX as well. If I like the Repeater I'll also become a Repeater evangelist, as I was a JamMan evangelist. On my advice, I had 3 other people go out and buy JamMans. Due to the social nature of music making Electrix knows full well the power of word of mouth, especially when it is very hard to demo gear in music stores. I think we all are aware that this is a special "Looper's Delight deal" too. A group buy, so to speak. I can't imagine moving more than a half dozen of this type of processor during it's first week out. So I take in say, $600 gross profit, minus what I have to pay my sales people to talk the customers into the purchase. Alto music may only be taking in $10 per unit, but they've sold 50 units before they even hit their stockroom. So they may have grossed only $500, but they didn't have as much overhead AND they've formed 50 really good relationships. As far as I can tell, it sounds like a win/win situation for everyone, so what's all the shouting? We'll have no trouble here! This is a local shop! bye bye Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 6 14:56:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01325; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:54:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:54:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <020b01c0482a$fc8254c0$44e28cd1@alanis> From: "Paul Buelow" To: References: Subject: Re: [all] stereo to mono phase problems Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 11:51:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > what is the nature of the source program material? > I've experienced the phase problem with a variety of sources and isolated it to a problem between the mixer and the amp + speakers. The mixer is an Alesis32. Monitoring through the mixers headphone output does not exhibit the same muddy result when panning to center. I have ruled out the source as the problem. The source is fine when patched directly to the amp (hence no panning to center). Is panning to center inherently going ot cause a phase problem. Could it be the room or speaker position causing a problem? The source is either mono tracks from a digital multitrack deck, CDs, DJ-600 mixer output or mic input. It appears to be a problem with the relationship between my cabling and/or monitor wiring. > a:c > > On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Paul Buelow wrote: > > > I am looking for help with out of phase or muddy sound. Occasionally, I have an "out of phase" problem if I select mix to mono through my mixer to the amp and monitors. I understand this problem occurs from incorrect or faulty wiring. I tried switching the polarity of one of the speakers and vice versa. Could it be that the shielding has broken down in the cables from the mixer to the amp? Any ideas about what to watch out for to resolve phase problems or suggestions for references. By the way, if I record mono channels and use a stereoizer for the final mix I can get a good mono signal. I don't really want mono, but I would like t have the ability to pan to center without producing muddy sound. Thank you for all your assistance. -Paul > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 6 15:30:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02121; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:28:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:28:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: OT: [all] stereo to mono phase problems To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:25:03 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 11/06/2000 02:25:02 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmmm. Source material: Multitrack channels: mono CD player: stereo DJ-600 mixer: stereo (mixing stereo sources?) Mic: mono The above are not likely to come from the source out-of-phase. Next step: investigate individual mixer channels. Alesis Studio 32: phase invert not available (at least I can't find it listed in Alesis' on-line documentation). So rule that out. Next: cabling from mixer to amp. Main outs are 1/4" TRS (balanced or unbalanced). If I remember right, the phase-inverted signal of a balanced output is on the ring part of the TRS cable. I doubt that your mixer's wiring could be that screwed up to have the tip and ring switched on one output. However, there is the slightest possibility, so try avoiding the main outs from your mixer--you've got control room outs as well as group and aux outs; mix down to a pair of those and see if you still have the "muddy" problem. If so, then there's your problem--the main outs. If not, well... I doubt the problem is in the cabling itself--if it was a cabling problem (as in faulty cable), then you'd have the same problem all the time, not just when panned to center. The amp? Man, I can't think that the amp is the problem. But, as a test, get some 1/4" to RCA cables and run them from your mixer's main outs and to your home stereo's tape or CD in. Listen to your mix through your stereo. Does the problem persist? Actually, this test would rule out everything downstream of your mixer: the cables, the amp, the speaker wire and the monitors. Try this out. If the above test fails to reproduce the problem, then it has to be downstream of the mixer. Check the polarity of all your wiring. Make sure it's consistent for both sides. Actually, you've probably done this already a thousand times. So, confident that the wiring to and from the amp is correct--and that the problem still persists--switch the polarity of the leads coming into only one speaker. We're now deliberately out of phase with the other speaker. Still have the problem? At this point, I doubt phase is the issue. Move your speakers to a new position. Maybe you just have one wickedly bad sounding room (though this should be evident in the stereo mixes, too). I can't think of anything else, and I've already been long-winded enough. "Paul Buelow" om> cc: Subject: Re: [all] stereo to mono phase 11/06/00 problems 01:51 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht > what is the nature of the source program material? > I've experienced the phase problem with a variety of sources and isolated it to a problem between the mixer and the amp + speakers. The mixer is an Alesis32. Monitoring through the mixers headphone output does not exhibit the same muddy result when panning to center. I have ruled out the source as the problem. The source is fine when patched directly to the amp (hence no panning to center). Is panning to center inherently going ot cause a phase problem. Could it be the room or speaker position causing a problem? The source is either mono tracks from a digital multitrack deck, CDs, DJ-600 mixer output or mic input. It appears to be a problem with the relationship between my cabling and/or monitor wiring. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 6 15:52:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02807; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:51:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:51:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d301c04832$6665dbd0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <020b01c0482a$fc8254c0$44e28cd1@alanis> Subject: Re: [all] stereo to mono phase problems Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:44:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Paul, > I've experienced the phase problem with a variety of sources and isolated it > to a problem between the mixer and the amp + speakers. The mixer is an > Alesis32. Monitoring through the mixers headphone output does not exhibit > the same muddy result when panning to center. If you're convinced it's your mixer-to-speakers connections you can certainly check them for correct phasing. Depending on your amp and speakers, it's relatively simple to check them. First, get a ohmmeter or continuity checker (or something that functions like one). Next, confirm that the left and right mixer-to-amp cables are wired identically. For example, for 1/4" phone plugs confirm that if the left cable goes tip-to-tip and shield-to-shield, then the right cable does also. Note that for correct phasing, the absolute pin-to-pin connections do not matter, but the cables must be identical. That is, the left cable could be tip-to-shield so long as the right cable does too. Third, perform the same check on the speaker cables. If the cables check out, you might want to check for improperly wired speakers. The cheapest way to do this is with a battery and a resistor (to limit the current). I usually use my ohmmeter. It's possible to zap your speakers so be careful. Remove the speaker grill so you can see or feel the cone or tweeter. BRIEFLY tap the speaker connections with the battery/resistor and note the direction of cone/tweeter travel (in or out). Repeat with the same polarity on the other speaker. The travel direction must be the same. If everything checks out, that leaves phase reversal in the amp. This is not very likely in a commercial amp. However, some amps have phase inversions switches for bridging and other purposes. Check for such switches. > I have ruled out the source as the problem. The source is fine when patched > directly to the amp (hence no panning to center). Is panning to center > inherently going ot cause a phase problem. Could it be the room or speaker > position causing a problem? The source is either mono tracks from a digital > multitrack deck, CDs, DJ-600 mixer output or mic input. If I'm understanding you correctly, you patched a stereo source directly to the amp. This will not show up the phasing problems you described. If you have a source-to-mixer phasing problem (by far the likeliest culprit) the problem will show up when you electrically combine the left and right channels. I would not expect to hear it when the stereo source is patched directly to the amp inputs. Also, if the signal goes through an effect loop, that can mess with the phase as well. Hope this helps. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 6 16:03:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03115; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:02:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:02:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:02:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Repeater price/ Price fixing. From: Doug Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3A0707FB.A1107761@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bingo Mark. My point exactly. I only wish I could have waited a bit longer and not gotten the EDP... but it was there and I had the $s, so... > As far > as I can tell, it sounds like a win/win situation for everyone, so > what's all the shouting? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 6 16:11:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03416; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:10:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:10:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <022b01c04835$99ad1e60$44e28cd1@alanis> From: "Paul Buelow" To: References: Subject: Re: [all] stereo to mono phase problems Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 13:07:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, Excellent Lindsay. Thank you. I will do some thorough testing now with this info. It's a very helpful at approach to use to resolve the muddy mono monitor sound problem (thought it doesn't affect recording or headphones). I am using phono to RCA adapters on the control room outs which are plugged into the TRS balanced phono outs. Aha? could be poorly wired +/- adapters. In considering the best cable for main outs or control outs, I wonder what type of cables to use if cabling from the balanced TRS phono outs to a non-balanced input such as a tape deck. non balanced cables or TRS phono balanced to non-balanced? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 12:25 PM Subject: OT: [all] stereo to mono phase problems > > Hmmmm. > > Source material: > Multitrack channels: mono > CD player: stereo > DJ-600 mixer: stereo > (mixing stereo sources?) > Mic: mono > > The above are not likely to come from the source out-of-phase. Next step: > investigate individual mixer channels. > > Alesis Studio 32: phase invert not available (at least I can't find it > listed in Alesis' on-line documentation). So rule that out. > > Next: cabling from mixer to amp. Main outs are 1/4" TRS (balanced or > unbalanced). If I remember right, the phase-inverted signal of a balanced > output is on the ring part of the TRS cable. I doubt that your mixer's > wiring could be that screwed up to have the tip and ring switched on one > output. However, there is the slightest possibility, so try avoiding the > main outs from your mixer--you've got control room outs as well as group > and aux outs; mix down to a pair of those and see if you still have the > "muddy" problem. If so, then there's your problem--the main outs. If not, > well... > > I doubt the problem is in the cabling itself--if it was a cabling problem > (as in faulty cable), then you'd have the same problem all the time, not > just when panned to center. > > The amp? Man, I can't think that the amp is the problem. But, as a test, > get some 1/4" to RCA cables and run them from your mixer's main outs and to > your home stereo's tape or CD in. Listen to your mix through your stereo. > Does the problem persist? Actually, this test would rule out everything > downstream of your mixer: the cables, the amp, the speaker wire and the > monitors. Try this out. > > If the above test fails to reproduce the problem, then it has to be > downstream of the mixer. Check the polarity of all your wiring. Make sure > it's consistent for both sides. Actually, you've probably done this > already a thousand times. So, confident that the wiring to and from the > amp is correct--and that the problem still persists--switch the polarity of > the leads coming into only one speaker. We're now deliberately out of > phase with the other speaker. Still have the problem? At this point, I > doubt phase is the issue. Move your speakers to a new position. Maybe you > just have one wickedly bad sounding room (though this should be evident in > the stereo mixes, too). I can't think of anything else, and I've already > been long-winded enough. > > > > "Paul Buelow" > > om> cc: > Subject: Re: [all] stereo to mono phase > 11/06/00 problems > 01:51 PM > Please > respond to > Loopers-Delig > ht > > > > > > > what is the nature of the source program material? > > > I've experienced the phase problem with a variety of sources and isolated > it > to a problem between the mixer and the amp + speakers. The mixer is an > Alesis32. Monitoring through the mixers headphone output does not exhibit > the same muddy result when panning to center. > > I have ruled out the source as the problem. The source is fine when patched > directly to the amp (hence no panning to center). Is panning to center > inherently going ot cause a phase problem. Could it be the room or speaker > position causing a problem? The source is either mono tracks from a digital > multitrack deck, CDs, DJ-600 mixer output or mic input. > > It appears to be a problem with the relationship between my cabling and/or > monitor wiring. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 6 16:33:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04139; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:31:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:31:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: Subject: RE: [all] stereo to mono phase problems Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 13:27:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Concerning phasing problems: You may have a speaker which is internally wired incorrectly. If the woofer and tweeter are out-of-phase on one side, then the pair won't sound right which ever way the cabling from the amp to the speakers is phased. Hook up a battery to the speaker terminals to get the woofers properly in-phase. As far as the tweeters go, you probably won't be able to see any excursion with the battery test (and you are more likely to fry them). Looking at the color of the wires going to the terminals will tell you if the two speakers are wired differently. If you have a pro audio house in town they can rent you a phase tester (often referred to as a "cricket"), which is very handy for tracking down phasing problems. For cables from your mixer to amp, you should probably use 1/4" unbalanced -> RCA cables. Try to keep adapters to a minimum; all those connections aren't good for your signal. -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 6 16:37:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04422; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:36:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:36:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: OT: [all] stereo to mono phase problems To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:33:11 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 11/06/2000 03:33:10 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok--wait, what? Let's clarify your cabling: Your mixer has 1/4" and XLR ins, balanced or unbalanced 1/4" outs. For source input purposes: >From multitrack: should be 1/4" TRS (if the multitrack has balanced outs) to 1/4" TRS. Use regular 1/4" TS if the multitrack has only unbalanced outs. >From the CD players: you've probably got RCA outs from the CD player, so either, use the RCA to 1/4" TS adaptors I think you're talking about, or go invest $15 in a pair a good RCA to 1/4" cables. >From the DJ mixer: again, probably RCA outs. Use the above cable solution. If by chance the mixer has 1/4" outs, they will definitely not be balanced, so use regular 1/4" TS cables. For outputs: To the amp: your mixer provides balanced outs, so if your amp does, use 1/4" TRS, else stick with basic 1/4" TS. To the speakers: use the thickest gauge you can fit into your speakers' binding posts (or whatever connector they might have--banana, 1/4", whatever...) To the tape player: I'd use the same 1/4" TS to RCA cables mentioned above to run the CR out to the tape deck (or CD burner, or DAT, or whatever your stereo mixdown destination is). I agree with Hans: avoid the adapters. "Paul Buelow" om> cc: Subject: Re: [all] stereo to mono phase 11/06/00 problems 03:07 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht Wow, Excellent Lindsay. Thank you. I will do some thorough testing now with this info. It's a very helpful at approach to use to resolve the muddy mono monitor sound problem (thought it doesn't affect recording or headphones). I am using phono to RCA adapters on the control room outs which are plugged into the TRS balanced phono outs. Aha? could be poorly wired +/- adapters. In considering the best cable for main outs or control outs, I wonder what type of cables to use if cabling from the balanced TRS phono outs to a non-balanced input such as a tape deck. non balanced cables or TRS phono balanced to non-balanced? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 12:25 PM Subject: OT: [all] stereo to mono phase problems > > Hmmmm. > > Source material: > Multitrack channels: mono > CD player: stereo > DJ-600 mixer: stereo > (mixing stereo sources?) > Mic: mono > > The above are not likely to come from the source out-of-phase. Next step: > investigate individual mixer channels. > > Alesis Studio 32: phase invert not available (at least I can't find it > listed in Alesis' on-line documentation). So rule that out. > > Next: cabling from mixer to amp. Main outs are 1/4" TRS (balanced or > unbalanced). If I remember right, the phase-inverted signal of a balanced > output is on the ring part of the TRS cable. I doubt that your mixer's > wiring could be that screwed up to have the tip and ring switched on one > output. However, there is the slightest possibility, so try avoiding the > main outs from your mixer--you've got control room outs as well as group > and aux outs; mix down to a pair of those and see if you still have the > "muddy" problem. If so, then there's your problem--the main outs. If not, > well... > > I doubt the problem is in the cabling itself--if it was a cabling problem > (as in faulty cable), then you'd have the same problem all the time, not > just when panned to center. > > The amp? Man, I can't think that the amp is the problem. But, as a test, > get some 1/4" to RCA cables and run them from your mixer's main outs and to > your home stereo's tape or CD in. Listen to your mix through your stereo. > Does the problem persist? Actually, this test would rule out everything > downstream of your mixer: the cables, the amp, the speaker wire and the > monitors. Try this out. > > If the above test fails to reproduce the problem, then it has to be > downstream of the mixer. Check the polarity of all your wiring. Make sure > it's consistent for both sides. Actually, you've probably done this > already a thousand times. So, confident that the wiring to and from the > amp is correct--and that the problem still persists--switch the polarity of > the leads coming into only one speaker. We're now deliberately out of > phase with the other speaker. Still have the problem? At this point, I > doubt phase is the issue. Move your speakers to a new position. Maybe you > just have one wickedly bad sounding room (though this should be evident in > the stereo mixes, too). I can't think of anything else, and I've already > been long-winded enough. > > > > "Paul Buelow" > > om> cc: > Subject: Re: [all] stereo to mono phase > 11/06/00 problems > 01:51 PM > Please > respond to > Loopers-Delig > ht > > > > > > > what is the nature of the source program material? > > > I've experienced the phase problem with a variety of sources and isolated > it > to a problem between the mixer and the amp + speakers. The mixer is an > Alesis32. Monitoring through the mixers headphone output does not exhibit > the same muddy result when panning to center. > > I have ruled out the source as the problem. The source is fine when patched > directly to the amp (hence no panning to center). Is panning to center > inherently going ot cause a phase problem. Could it be the room or speaker > position causing a problem? The source is either mono tracks from a digital > multitrack deck, CDs, DJ-600 mixer output or mic input. > > It appears to be a problem with the relationship between my cabling and/or > monitor wiring. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 6 16:45:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04854; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:44:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:44:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A067D5B.2200@nh.ultranet.com> Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 04:45:03 -0500 From: rb Reply-To: rumble@nh.ultranet.com Organization: curse of the chia X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater (what is it?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what is this "repeater" thing i've been reading about? is there a website or specs about it? -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs... There's also a negative side." - Hunter S. Thompson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 6 16:50:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05123; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:49:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:49:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001106154453.02cb5220@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 15:48:37 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater (what is it?) In-Reply-To: <3A067D5B.2200@nh.ultranet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rb (03:45 AM 11.06.2000) wrote: >what is this "repeater" thing i've been reading about? >is there a website or specs about it? http://www.electrixpro.com/ Click on "Products" in the top frame Click on "Repeater" in the left frame There is also a lot of information in the archives of this list... I've been talking about it since July. http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma/LDarchive Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 6 18:57:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07617; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 18:46:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 18:46:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "David O" To: Subject: Ibanez EPP400 Effect Patching Programmer available on EBAY Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 17:59:07 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c04845$2dc67ce0$5104c9cd@oleniacz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopers Get your guitar or keyboard effects organized with this very powerful unit! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=485883852 Ibanez EPP-400 Effect Patching Programmer 2 inputs, 2 outputs, 5 effects loops, 1 sub output 128 separate programmable patches Within each patch program you have: effect on/off, effect order, input assign, output assign, sub output assign. 8-digit, 7-LED readout displays all important functions. Multiple remote program selection features, including user assignable MIDI channel capability Separate remote bypass ability. Input jacks for Program shift and Bypass Midi out Input jack for optional IFC60 Intelligent foot controller. I have scanned the manual and have made it available on Ebay for you to see exactly what you can do with this powerful unit. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 6 18:58:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07854; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 18:57:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 18:57:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A07C29B.66B5805B@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 00:51:39 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ibanez EPP400 Effect Patching Programmer available on EBAY References: <000701c04845$2dc67ce0$5104c9cd@oleniacz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David O wrote: ----SNIP----- David its the second time we see that Its getting soon too much please no Ebay spam on LD if we like Ebay we go there if you want to sell specially to our fellow looper make your add here before Ebay etc etc Merci Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 6 19:36:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08930; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 19:35:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 19:35:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "David O" To: Subject: RE: Ibanez EPP400 Effect Patching Programmer available on EBAY Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 19:33:27 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c04852$5c201b20$5104c9cd@oleniacz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3A07C29B.66B5805B@vtx.ch> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude I'm sorry that you didn't care for my email. I didn't believe posting the same message twice in 7 days constituted a flood. I was just trying to inform the fellow loopers about something I'm selling that may be of interest to them. Sorry to anyone who lost their bid on my PMC-10. DavidO -----Original Message----- From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 3:52 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ibanez EPP400 Effect Patching Programmer available on EBAY David O wrote: ----SNIP----- David its the second time we see that Its getting soon too much please no Ebay spam on LD if we like Ebay we go there if you want to sell specially to our fellow looper make your add here before Ebay etc etc Merci Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 6 23:47:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13880; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 23:45:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 23:45:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200011070444.UAA16296@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 20:45:40 -0700 Subject: Re: TC Electronics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com umm, what did you do w/ your modded pcm42? if this is on a need to know basis-i need to know,ya know?...stanner ---------- >From: Matthias Grob >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: TC Electronics >Date: Mon, Nov 6, 2000, 3:39 AM > >>Thanks for the info. That's very kind of you. >>I think i'll get one someday....because the 2290 is way too high priced. >>All sources i had about this unit said it was amazingly easy to use.... > >I used one from 85-88 and then found the change to the modified PCM42 >an improvement. >It had a unique sound quality then, but now... >Just look at the functions you get from a "real" looper! >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 6 23:57:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14277; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 23:56:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 23:56:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 20:55:48 -0800 Subject: Looping gig in Seattle (WA, USA): Electrochakra at the Hurricane, 11/8/00 From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id XAA14246 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com € Wednesday, November 8 Hurricane Beach (2230 7th Avenue) 6PM-midnight No cover Happy hour from 4-8PM The owner of the Hurricane is adamant that I emphasize that FREE NACHOS will be available during the show. That's right, you'll save an ENTIRE DOLLAR if you're nacho-enclined by attending this show. My head is swimming at the thought of it--hungry hordes of music fans descending on the Hurricane like a plague of locusts, knocking each other aside in a Riverside Stadium-like pandemonium to get at the melted cheese wonder of FREE NACHOS!!! Oh yeah--the music will also kick ass. And it's free too. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Electrochakra P.S. That's right--those NACHOS are FREE. -- MP3's and calendar of upcoming shows available at: www.mp3.com/electrochakra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 6 23:59:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14652; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 23:58:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 23:58:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001107045801.44899.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 20:58:01 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Repeater questions To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In the Repeater manual, on the page showing midi cc assignments, there is a function called UNFOLD LOOP. Can anyone explain what this is? Is anyone else besides me trying to figure out how to connect 8 or more exp. pedals to this thing? Are you guys at Electrix going to be generous with the exp pedal inputs on your midi foot controller? I'm sure a lot of folks will want to use pedals for the track volumes & panning. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 7 01:18:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15814; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 01:17:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 01:17:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A079FFF.2068BC31@citytel.net> Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 22:24:00 -0800 From: Doug Foster X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com UNSUBSCRIBE Tiktok wrote: > € Wednesday, November 8 > Hurricane Beach (2230 7th Avenue) > 6PM-midnight > No cover > Happy hour from 4-8PM > > The owner of the Hurricane is adamant that I emphasize that FREE NACHOS will > be available during the show. That's right, you'll save an ENTIRE DOLLAR if > you're nacho-enclined by attending this show. My head is swimming at the > thought of it--hungry hordes of music fans descending on the Hurricane like > a plague of locusts, knocking each other aside in a Riverside Stadium-like > pandemonium to get at the melted cheese wonder of FREE NACHOS!!! > > Oh yeah--the music will also kick ass. And it's free too. > > Be seeing you, > > Travis Hartnett > Electrochakra > > P.S. That's right--those NACHOS are FREE. > -- > MP3's and calendar of upcoming shows available at: > > www.mp3.com/electrochakra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 7 01:41:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16458; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 01:41:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 01:41:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001107063957.69158.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 22:39:57 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Suddenly, Doug was struck by the realization that no matter how much he looped, he was not, nor would he ever be, a "nacho man". John --- Doug Foster wrote: > UNSUBSCRIBE > > Tiktok wrote: > > > € Wednesday, November 8 > > Hurricane Beach (2230 7th Avenue) > > 6PM-midnight > > No cover > > Happy hour from 4-8PM > > > > The owner of the Hurricane is adamant that I > emphasize that FREE NACHOS will > > be available during the show. That's right, > you'll save an ENTIRE DOLLAR if > > you're nacho-enclined by attending this show. ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 7 05:06:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA19343; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 05:01:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 05:01:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901c048a0$25dbc160$3542e0d5@pandora.be> From: "Sound Mind" To: References: <004401c0474c$7d36bdc0$51f78ec6@mpx.com.au> <3A0707FB.A1107761@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re : Gentlemen (OT) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 10:50:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Say, got any of the special stuff? Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" > what's all the shouting? We'll have no trouble here! This is a local shop!< From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 7 08:39:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22305; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 08:37:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 08:37:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 08:36:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200011071335.FAA16856@c1m2.postdirect.com> From: thereeve Subject: Music + oppurtunity for others to hear your music due to current DJ Mixes being of all popular (in stores) music (except me & U?)) 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--==========_ALT_1451519089_=====-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 7 11:39:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25796; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:38:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:38:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 08:36:14 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Repeater questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA25733 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > John Tidwell wrote... In the Repeater manual, on the page showing midi cc assignments, there is a function called UNFOLD LOOP. Can anyone explain what this is? This intrigues me as well...??? > Is anyone else besides me trying to figure out how to connect 8 or more exp. pedals to this thing? The Paia MIDI Brain kit looks pretty promising. They have 2 configurations: One has 8 ExPed inputs... the other has 8 finger pads allowing the finger drummer to trigger whatever 8 items they please... I've thought about putting the finger pads/triggers into a guitar body so I could tap beats whenever I got the urge... Now if you add a Kurzweill Even Station you're getting into some serious hairbrained midi mayhem here... http://209.52.185.39/midibrn.htm The more I think of this the more awesome it seems! One for the floor so you get 8 expeds and another in the geetar for finger drumming! WOW! Get your soldering irons out gang... > Are you guys at Electrix going to be generous with the exp pedal inputs on your midi foot controller? I'm sure a lot of folks will want to use pedals for the track volumes & panning. Probably doubtful, but we can hope eh? The Roland FC-200 has 8 expression pedal inputs, but I believe they are hard coded with specific cc values... meaning that for something like the Waldorf 4-pole your stuck cause that baby's hard coded as well. There always the Peavey PC 1600x Midi controller with 16 faders and 16 buttons all assignable to various midi functions. It also has inputs for exped and footswitch control, but not in the quantities we're talking...(4 and up) The good thing is that you can assign the pedal or footswitch to control MULTIPLE midi events with different scaling etc. all in all, a very powerful tabletop tool. http://www.peavey.com/mi/pc_1600x.html I'm finding that if I'm gonna use midi tweakers on the floor OR table, I usually want to scale them to fine tune things. If the controller is not scalable, you lose fair amount of control. Many modules allow you to do the scaling in their box, but it's nice (and I believe more convenient) to be able to do it from the controller as well. Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 7 11:48:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26212; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:46:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:46:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <020901c048d9$7bd73b60$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200010210438.AAA02497@hemlock.violacea.com> <39F1275A.CB7061A1@cruzio.com> <3.0.6.32.20001023145002.007f4650@col-ed.org> <3.0.6.32.20001024105927.007cb670@col-ed.org> <3.0.6.32.20001025154559.00839470@col-ed.org> <3.0.6.32.20001101124242.00812120@col-ed.org> Subject: Re: Electric Eyes and CV-MIDI Converter Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:40:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "Matthias Grob" > I also had a look at those devices, thank you, Dennis. You're welcome! > ... so I would rather need distance metering > in the 2-20cm range to measure knee, elbow and head positions, > maybe... > did you find such, too? No, I did not. 2-20 cm is not very much. It's probably too small for sonar techniques (affordable techniques) to work reliably. I know we've mentioned the I-Cube system before ( http://www.infusionsystems.com/ ). Have you ever tried one? I've wanted to for some time but never have. After the initial cost, addition sensors seems quite reasonable. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 7 13:19:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28305; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 13:18:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 13:18:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater questions Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 10:16:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unfold loop is actually loop multiply. Press it and the loop will replicate it self so you can overdub longer phrases on top of it. It is just labeled wrong in the manual. (Alpha manual) Thanks for catching that! We are planning on developing a MIDI foot controller for Repeater based on user feedback (from Repeater users). Lots of expression pedal inputs would be very cool on our controller! Feel free to email me your foot controller wish lists. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com -----Original Message----- From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 8:58 PM To: Loopers Delight Subject: Repeater questions In the Repeater manual, on the page showing midi cc assignments, there is a function called UNFOLD LOOP. Can anyone explain what this is? Is anyone else besides me trying to figure out how to connect 8 or more exp. pedals to this thing? Are you guys at Electrix going to be generous with the exp pedal inputs on your midi foot controller? I'm sure a lot of folks will want to use pedals for the track volumes & panning. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 7 15:19:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30935; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 15:18:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 15:18:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater questions Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:15:52 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2000 20:15:52.0312 (UTC) FILETIME=[86DCE780:01C048F7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Forgive me if this was supposed to be obvious, but I have a question about the repeater's loop multiply command. >From the looks of the manual, the repeater only allows a multiply by 2, is it possible to configure the repeater to multiply by other fractional amounts like 1.5, or .5? bye- jon _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 7 16:35:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00407; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:33:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:33:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000a01c04852$5c201b20$5104c9cd@oleniacz> References: <000a01c04852$5c201b20$5104c9cd@oleniacz> Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:37:06 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Ibanez EPP400 Effect Patching Programmer available on EBAY Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >please no Ebay spam on LD >if we like Ebay we go there hmmm... I find it interesting to know about related offers here... >if you want to sell specially to our fellow looper make your add here >before Ebay thats a point... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 7 16:35:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00690; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:34:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:34:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:38:42 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Repeater questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >There always the Peavey PC 1600x Midi controller with 16 faders and >16 buttons all assignable to various midi functions. It also has >inputs for exped and footswitch control, but not in the quantities >we're talking...(4 and up) The good thing is that you can assign the >pedal or footswitch to control MULTIPLE midi events with different >scaling etc. all in all, a very powerful tabletop tool. > >http://www.peavey.com/mi/pc_1600x.html > >I'm finding that if I'm gonna use midi tweakers on the floor OR >table, I usually want to scale them to fine tune things. If the >controller is not scalable, you lose fair amount of control. Many >modules allow you to do the scaling in their box, but it's nice (and >I believe more convenient) to be able to do it from the controller >as well. > >Best, >-Miko I have a 1600x for table operation and recently bought another mainboard (no display, no faders, no transformer) as spare part. The idea is to program it in the table version and build it into the pedal, with foot operatable faders. Once the program is made, the display is not necessary... ...but I did not find time yet to do it. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 7 17:38:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02338; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 17:36:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 17:36:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 14:24:26 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Repeater questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA02209 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> matthias@grob.org 11/07/00 01:34PM >>> > I have a 1600x for table operation and recently bought another mainboard (no display, no faders, no transformer) as spare part. The idea is to program it in the table version and build it into the pedal, with foot operatable faders. Once the program is made, the display is not necessary.....but I did not find time yet to do it. Pretty wacky Matthias! I'd love to see you finish that project... Sounds like it would provide awesome flexibility. -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 7 17:43:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02717; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 17:42:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 17:42:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 14:38:41 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Subject: RE: Repeater questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA02673 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Damon... Here's my top few items for a foot controller. * Multiple (at least 8) scalable cc values assignable to either buttons or expression pedals. Buttons can send a midi string a and a midi string b. Configured to be sent as a momentary (press/release) Toggle, (press/press) or Exit (press patch to send A and press any other patch to send B) (like the PMC-10 can do) I'd be happy to send you a manual of the PMC-10 for your reference Damon... It's really a cool pedal although not very robust. * Road worthy construction and NO WALL WART... with a removeable ac cable so we can make a nice SHORT one for our pedal boards. * Multiple note on / note off values assignable to any button. * At least 4 expression pedal inputs. These are my main operating requirements, although I'm sure I'd welcome more! 8-) Thanks for actually soliciting input for something as important to us as this... Best, -Miko Biffle >>> Damon@Electrixpro.com 11/07/00 10:16AM >>> Unfold loop is actually loop multiply. Press it and the loop will replicate it self so you can overdub longer phrases on top of it. It is just labeled wrong in the manual. (Alpha manual) Thanks for catching that! We are planning on developing a MIDI foot controller for Repeater based on user feedback (from Repeater users). Lots of expression pedal inputs would be very cool on our controller! Feel free to email me your foot controller wish lists. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com -----Original Message----- From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 8:58 PM To: Loopers Delight Subject: Repeater questions In the Repeater manual, on the page showing midi cc assignments, there is a function called UNFOLD LOOP. Can anyone explain what this is? Is anyone else besides me trying to figure out how to connect 8 or more exp. pedals to this thing? Are you guys at Electrix going to be generous with the exp pedal inputs on your midi foot controller? I'm sure a lot of folks will want to use pedals for the track volumes & panning. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 7 21:00:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06823; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 20:58:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 20:58:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A08B348.7FE3427D@cloud9.net> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 20:58:32 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Subject: Music + oppurtunity for others to hear your music, blah, blah, blah References: <200011071648.LAA26375@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My usual way of posting is to cut and paste from the digest. This HTML form advertisment thingy, totally screwed me up - I couldn't cut and paste because of the HTML table. I'd like to ask that people not post such things (besides, are advertisements really appropriate here ?) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 7 21:03:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07159; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 21:02:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 21:02:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A08B454.BE31B181@cloud9.net> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 21:03:00 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #367 References: <200011071648.LAA26375@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, speaking of peavey PC1600x's and soldering guns, here's an interesting looking mod to add 16 external controllers: http://music.columbia.edu/~douglas/pc1600mod/pc1600mod.html Just having gotten my new PC1600x, and not being handy with a soldering iron, I think I'm going to hold off of this one, but I sure does make me drool :) Elby > > John Tidwell wrote... In the Repeater manual, on the page showing > midi cc > assignments, there is a function called UNFOLD LOOP. Can anyone > explain what this > is? > > This intrigues me as well...??? > > > Is anyone else besides me trying to figure out how to connect 8 or > more exp. > pedals to this thing? > > The Paia MIDI Brain kit looks pretty promising. They have 2 > configurations: One has > 8 ExPed inputs... the other has 8 finger pads allowing the finger > drummer to trigger > whatever 8 items they please... I've thought about putting the finger > pads/triggers > into a guitar body so I could tap beats whenever I got the urge... Now > if you add a > Kurzweill Even Station you're getting into some serious hairbrained > midi mayhem > here... > > http://209.52.185.39/midibrn.htm > > The more I think of this the more awesome it seems! One for the floor > so you get 8 > expeds and another in the geetar for finger drumming! WOW! Get your > soldering irons > out gang... > > > Are you guys at Electrix going to be generous with the exp pedal > inputs on your > midi foot controller? I'm sure a lot of folks will want to use pedals > for the track > volumes & panning. > > Probably doubtful, but we can hope eh? The Roland FC-200 has 8 > expression pedal > inputs, but I believe they are hard coded with specific cc values... > meaning that > for something like the Waldorf 4-pole your stuck cause that baby's > hard coded as > well. > > There always the Peavey PC 1600x Midi controller with 16 faders and 16 > buttons all > assignable to various midi functions. It also has inputs for exped and > footswitch > control, but not in the quantities we're talking...(4 and up) The good > thing is that > you can assign the pedal or footswitch to control MULTIPLE midi events > with > different scaling etc. all in all, a very powerful tabletop tool. > > http://www.peavey.com/mi/pc_1600x.html > > I'm finding that if I'm gonna use midi tweakers on the floor OR table, > I usually > want to scale them to fine tune things. If the controller is not > scalable, you lose > fair amount of control. Many modules allow you to do the scaling in > their box, but > it's nice (and I believe more convenient) to be able to do it from the > controller as > well. > > Best, > -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 13:00:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19982; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 12:58:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 12:58:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A099321.347FC783@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 12:53:38 -0500 From: Reeve Martin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Subject: Music + oppurtunity for others to hear your music, blah, blah, blah References: <200011071648.LAA26375@hemlock.violacea.com> <3A08B348.7FE3427D@cloud9.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mountain Manand other militia, I realized that I broke protocol with this post . For that I apologize. Advertising is truely most retrograde to my desire!!! I have nothing to gain here....ezcept that you may comment on my music... I was just stoked to a place where I can upload 3gigs of mp3s for Notta. Since my good friend's house just burned to the core , including all his scores , ALL and more! I realized that I need to have a safety copies of my music in another location. So to summarize: spam bad 3gigs free space good. backup good. hamburger good I only want to pass the good on my man. Reeve My usual way of posting is to cut and paste from the digest. This HTML > form advertisment thingy, totally screwed me up - I couldn't cut and > paste because of the HTML table. I'd like to ask that people not post > such things (besides, are advertisements really appropriate here ?) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 20:06:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28792; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 20:03:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 20:03:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater ship date Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 17:02:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey loopers, There has been some questions recently about the ship date of Repeater. We are waiting for the necessary certification of a new, swanky, power supply. This unfortunately has caused a delay in shipping somewhere between 30 to 45 days. The upside is that this new supply is way more compact and lightweight than the previous model so it should be well worth the wait. I know this is a pain in the butt...but we want you to be satisfied with Repeaters quality when it does ship. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 20:11:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29151; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 20:10:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 20:10:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A09F947.3FF63625@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 17:09:28 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater ship date References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I knew it was too good to be true. "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" wrote: > Hey loopers, > There has been some questions recently about the ship date of Repeater. We > are waiting for the necessary certification of a new, swanky, power supply. > This unfortunately has caused a delay in shipping somewhere between 30 to 45 > days. The upside is that this new supply is way more compact and > lightweight than the previous model so it should be well worth the wait. I > know this is a pain in the butt...but we want you to be satisfied with > Repeaters quality when it does ship. > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 20:36:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29978; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 20:35:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 20:35:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001108203643.007bb280@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 20:36:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Repeater ship date In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:02 PM 11/8/00 -0800, Damon Langlois wrote: >...a new, swanky, power supply. Please tell me it's not a WALL WART. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 21:20:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31114; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 21:19:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 21:19:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: Repeater ship date Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 18:18:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Disappointed here. Real disappointed. Why don't you ship what you have now, and offer us the option to upgrade the power supply direct, later, for $10-15 more? If you don't already have some units boxed and ready to go at this late date, then there are other problems we don't yet know about. With all due respect and not wanting to be too harsh, is this why they call you the "creative" director, Damon? I guess I'm just very disappointed. I'm closing up a difficult project on 11/17 and looked at getting the Repeater as sort of a reward for a job well done. The original ship date was October; now you're telling us January? :-( Why don't you just use a power supply that's already certified? I don't care about "new, swanky" power supplies. I just want one that works. Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: Damon Langlois ( Electrix ) [mailto:Damon@Electrixpro.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 5:02 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Repeater ship date > > > Hey loopers, > There has been some questions recently about the ship date of Repeater. We > are waiting for the necessary certification of a new, swanky, > power supply. > This unfortunately has caused a delay in shipping somewhere > between 30 to 45 > days. The upside is that this new supply is way more compact and > lightweight than the previous model so it should be well worth the wait. I > know this is a pain in the butt...but we want you to be satisfied with > Repeaters quality when it does ship. > > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 22:22:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32680; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 22:20:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 22:20:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 22:14:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: RE: Repeater ship date Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damon Langlois wrote: >Hey loopers, >There has been some questions recently about the ship date of Repeater. We >are waiting for the necessary certification of a new, swanky, power supply. >This unfortunately has caused a delay in shipping somewhere between 30 to 45 >days. The upside is that this new supply is way more compact and >lightweight than the previous model so it should be well worth the wait. I >know this is a pain in the butt...but we want you to be satisfied with >Repeaters quality when it does ship. and a lot of people complained. come on, folks, it's really hard to actually design and build production things. and no one *really* needs a looper "this instant". give 'em a break! /t ...bunker:extreme (11/07) .. ...electronic a cappella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 22:27:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00762; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 22:26:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 22:26:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <2f.ca0f30f.273b731f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 22:25:19 EST Subject: Re: R: TC Electronics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 11/5/00 5:08:35 PM, chleduc@total.net writes: >What is the maximum delay length? I 10 sec mono; 5 sec stereo...enjoy! david From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 22:36:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01239; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 22:36:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 22:36:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c049fd$181d49a0$0100a8c0@none> From: "phalen orion" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater ship date Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 19:28:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <1_4x5C.A.KT.EuhC6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com << come on, folks, it's really hard to actually design and build production things. and no one *really* needs a looper "this instant". >> If you're saying this because "need" only really has to do with things like air, water, food, etc... then you're right. I do want to point out that I for one, do "need" to get my looper as soon as possible, as I'd planned it to be an integral part of the live rig I'm trying to work up... without it, my planned setup will be "crippled". I'm not complaining about it... the Repeater seems like its going to be a great product and worth the wait, but the delay is going to affect me adversely. phalen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 22:43:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01653; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 22:42:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 22:42:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <06b801c049fe$75d22100$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> From: "Bob Campbell" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater ship date Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 19:38:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damon, thanks very much for the heads-up about the slip in ship dates. I have to admit I was starting to count the days, so I'd much rather know know than be surprised 2-3 weeks from now. No doubt there are many others like myself who have participated in product development and been sorry to see something go out the door before it was done right because of external issues. I'm really pleased that Electrix can make a decision like this based on concerns about quality of the product. And I'm very grateful for the candor to which this list is being treated. It is great to be able to express our feedback to somebody in a position to use the information and with a stated interest in having the feedback. And frankly its just fun to hear a few tidbits about the product. One of my personal beefs about the design process in general is that it is very very common for an individual or a small team to conceive of a product concept and just run with it all the way to production without ever exposing themselves to critique by their peers. It is an arrogant and stupid approach, and the landfill is overflowing with the 'not quite right' designs of the past. It appears Electrix is making an effort to use external critique to some good purpose, despite no doubt taking a few knocks on the way. I think we all need to remember that is a minor miracle this product is being developed at all! Whether it turns out to be exactly what any particular individual wants it to be, it is absolutely great that an additional company is joining the ranks of the other wonderful contributors to our looping toolkits. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 5:02 PM Subject: RE: Repeater ship date > Hey loopers, > There has been some questions recently about the ship date of Repeater. We > are waiting for the necessary certification of a new, swanky, power supply. > This unfortunately has caused a delay in shipping somewhere between 30 to 45 > days. The upside is that this new supply is way more compact and > lightweight than the previous model so it should be well worth the wait. I > know this is a pain in the butt...but we want you to be satisfied with > Repeaters quality when it does ship. > > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 22:49:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02039; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 22:48:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 22:48:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <027a01c049ff$d4598aa0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <06b801c049fe$75d22100$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> Subject: Re: Repeater ship date Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 22:47:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <4sEMFC.A.of.P6hC6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Amen! Damon, take your time and make this thing the right way. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Campbell" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 10:38 PM Subject: Re: Repeater ship date > Damon, thanks very much for the heads-up about the slip in ship dates. I > have to admit I was starting to count the days, so I'd much rather know know > than be surprised 2-3 weeks from now. > > No doubt there are many others like myself who have participated in product > development and been sorry to see something go out the door before it was > done right because of external issues. I'm really pleased that Electrix can > make a decision like this based on concerns about quality of the product. > > And I'm very grateful for the candor to which this list is being treated. It > is great to be able to express our feedback to somebody in a position to use > the information and with a stated interest in having the feedback. And > frankly its just fun to hear a few tidbits about the product. > > One of my personal beefs about the design process in general is that it is > very very common for an individual or a small team to conceive of a product > concept and just run with it all the way to production without ever exposing > themselves to critique by their peers. It is an arrogant and stupid > approach, and the landfill is overflowing with the 'not quite right' designs > of the past. It appears Electrix is making an effort to use external > critique to some good purpose, despite no doubt taking a few knocks on the > way. > > I think we all need to remember that is a minor miracle this product is > being developed at all! Whether it turns out to be exactly what any > particular individual wants it to be, it is absolutely great that an > additional company is joining the ranks of the other wonderful contributors > to our looping toolkits. > > Bob > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 5:02 PM > Subject: RE: Repeater ship date > > > > Hey loopers, > > There has been some questions recently about the ship date of Repeater. We > > are waiting for the necessary certification of a new, swanky, power > supply. > > This unfortunately has caused a delay in shipping somewhere between 30 to > 45 > > days. The upside is that this new supply is way more compact and > > lightweight than the previous model so it should be well worth the wait. I > > know this is a pain in the butt...but we want you to be satisfied with > > Repeaters quality when it does ship. > > > > > > Respect, > > > > Damon Langlois > > Creative Director > > Electrix > > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > > http://www.electrixpro.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 8 23:15:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02854; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 23:13:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 23:13:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A0A24E8.D837402@voicenet.com> Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 23:15:37 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" , "analogue@hyperreal.org" , "digitalhell@resrocket.com" Subject: Live Show Friday Nov 10th - Allentown PA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Music For Isolation Tanks, my electronic/avant alter ego, will be playing a free show this Friday night at the Borders Bookstore in Allentown Pa. 'dA FACTS: Who: Music For Isolation Tanks When: This Friday, Nov. 10th, 2000, 8-10 PM Where: Borders Books and Music, 1937 Whitehall Mall Allentown, PA 18052 Contact: 610.432.5520 (Maps at http://www.bordersstores.com/stores/345/ ) Description: ---------------------------------------------- This will be the most advanced show I've done in years and will serve as a bit of a retrospective on all the phases I've played live and recorded with as Music For Isolation Tanks in the past 8-10 years. There will be straight ahead ambient floating dirges, there will be minimal technoish tweaking, and there will be all out avant cut-up live word and sound manipulation. Sometimes all of this will happen at the same time. Looping will be provided by an Oberheim Digital Echoplex, a Korg Kaoss pad and various stomp delays. The Kaoss pad will serve double duty as the mixer effects send and will be supplemented by such weird effects as a DOD Gonkulator, EH Microsynth, and other nonsense. Instruments range from TR606 and ER1 drum machines, to some classic analog synths, a theremin, L.I.F.E., and a C78 Library of Congress pitch shifting tape deck. Etc. I know a couple people road tripping up after work Friday night from Phila Pa (Hell, *I'm* road tripping up after work Friday night :)) I probably won't be doing this kind of show again for quite some time so if you're in the neighborhood and ever wanted to see the stuff I do I encourage you to catch this set. There are some live MP3s up at www.mp3.com/mfit but expect much much more at the show. I'll be selling a number of CDs and tapes between the sets and will have free Help Wanted catalogs as well. Hope to see you there! ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 00:22:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04304; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 00:20:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 00:20:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A0A5E8A.17F43316@virtulink.com> Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 00:21:30 -0800 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: NYC Live Microtonal Music: Ataraxya + AFMM Microthon 2000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello friends, On Saturday November 11, 2000 I will be performing with violinist Pat Pagano (South East Just Intonation Society) at the American Festival of Microtonal Music in NYC. We will be premiering our improvisation Ataraxia for Ebo Lapp Steel Guitar, Violin, Pre-recorded CD, echos (aka looping), and video sometime in the afternoon after 1pm. Come to hear us but I really recommend coming to the hear the whole day. AFMM: http://www.echonyc.com/~jhhl/AFMM/ MICROTHON 2000 Saturday, November 11, 2000 Quaker Meeting House (15th/16th street between 2nd and 3rd Avenues) 1:00 pm - 9:00 pm Ataraxya on the net: http://www.screwmusicforever.com/SHREESWIFT/ nada brahma, db -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 00:41:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05020; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 00:40:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 00:40:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001109054009.14028.qmail@web117.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 21:40:09 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: RE: Repeater ship date To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8upahD.A.QOB.2ijC6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's that old saying: You want something good? You want something cheap? You want something soon? Pick any 2. bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 01:53:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06367; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 01:50:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 01:50:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c04a19$2e748580$6ac7d8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <20001109054009.14028.qmail@web117.yahoomail.com> Subject: Anticipation (was Repeater ship date) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 22:49:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bret" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 9:40 PM Subject: RE: Repeater ship date > There's that old saying: > > You want something good? > You want something cheap? > You want something soon? > > Pick any 2. > bret Or my personal favorite: You want it bad? You get it bad AND the worse you want it the worse you get it Gary PS If it's good it's worth waitin' for G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 03:38:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07796; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 03:36:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 03:36:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003e01c04a28$0e1d91a0$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20001108203643.007bb280@pop.ici.net> Subject: Re: Repeater ship date Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 08:35:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > At 05:02 PM 11/8/00 -0800, Damon Langlois wrote: > >...a new, swanky, power supply. > > Please tell me it's not a WALL WART. > amen! os. os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 04:36:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08865; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 04:35:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 04:35:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <29.c5676b7.273bc9aa@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 04:34:34 EST Subject: I'm back To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi folks Been away for a bit but looking forward to reading your loop rants again for a bit. This repeater device looks interesting. Well just to say I'm still waiting for the UK echoplex from Trace. Apparently they still haven't sorted the CE ( ECC certification). Got 'the guy at the music shop to phoe them' they said " It'll be ready before Christmas" ...so some time next year then. maybe this "repeater" device is a better option. Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 06:02:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10054; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 05:48:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 05:48:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A0A80D8.D9F9DC85@cloud9.net> Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 05:47:52 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater ship date References: <200011090415.XAA03022@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ewwwww ... you're going to miss the holiday buying season ? That's *really* gotta hurt. Hope there'll be something good in your stockings, while you folks folks struggle with this. Good luck to you, Damon and crew! As a software developer, I certainly understand slipped ship dates. Slipping delivery 3 months is not at all unusual, not irresponsible, it's the way things work in the "real" world. We've all seen many, many manufacturers slip their ship dates. Doesn't mean they're uncaring, means that things do come up that cause unavoidable delays, particularly if trying to produce quality goods. Lighten up folks ! Elby (who reluctantly sets back his Repeater clock) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: Repeater ship date > Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 17:02:29 -0800 > From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Hey loopers, > There has been some questions recently about the ship date of Repeater. We > are waiting for the necessary certification of a new, swanky, power supply. > This unfortunately has caused a delay in shipping somewhere between 30 to 45 > days. The upside is that this new supply is way more compact and > lightweight than the previous model so it should be well worth the wait. I > know this is a pain in the butt...but we want you to be satisfied with > Repeaters quality when it does ship. > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 09:14:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11992; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 09:01:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 09:01:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f801c04a54$bd87b630$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200010210438.AAA02497@hemlock.violacea.com> <39F1275A.CB7061A1@cruzio.com> <3.0.6.32.20001023145002.007f4650@col-ed.org> <3.0.6.32.20001024105927.007cb670@col-ed.org> <3.0.6.32.20001025154559.00839470@col-ed.org> <3.0.6.32.20001101124242.00812120@col-ed.org> Subject: Re: Electric Eyes and CV-MIDI Converter Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 08:55:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <0usVQB.A.J7C.Z4qC6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "Matthias Grob" >...so I would rather need distance metering > in the 2-20cm range to measure knee, elbow and head positions, > maybe... > did you find such, too? Hey Matthias! You must be living right! Yesterday I wandered into our local Barnes and Noble bookstore to browse and found this book: "Programming and Customing the Basic Stamp Computer" by Scott Edwards (see http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0079136842/qid%3D973777809/105-857084 8-9842301 ) He's got a hardware/software project for short-range sonar. He states that it's most accurate in the 2-7" range. That'd be 5-18 cm when operated outside the US. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 13:01:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15434; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 12:59:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 12:59:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c04a77$8fd46940$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: I'm back Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 10:04:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <9X4AiC.A.gwD.bWuC6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Welcome back Andy- As for Repeater as "better" option.... look over recent posts and their website and you will see they are 2 different animals- I can certainly see both occupying my rack space in the future- - - along with my Vortex! ;) Cliff -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thursday, November 09, 2000 1:36 AM Subject: I'm back >hi folks > Been away for a bit but looking forward to reading your loop rants again for >a bit. >This repeater device looks interesting. > >Well just to say I'm still waiting for the UK echoplex from Trace. >Apparently they still haven't sorted the CE ( ECC certification). >Got 'the guy at the music shop to phoe them' >they said " It'll be ready before Christmas" >...so some time next year then. > >maybe this "repeater" device is a better option. > > > > > >Andy Butler >Lexicon Vortex Database > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 13:02:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15430; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 12:58:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 12:58:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.172.240] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater ship date Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 18:57:37 CET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2000 17:57:38.0171 (UTC) FILETIME=[8BFEECB0:01C04A76] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No President yet...Repeater delayed a month or more ???? What's happening to AMERICA???? let's keep cool! Damon, Electrix will loose Xmas sales...too sad! best Ital@@@P >From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Repeater ship date >Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 17:02:29 -0800 > >Hey loopers, >There has been some questions recently about the ship date of Repeater. We >are waiting for the necessary certification of a new, swanky, power supply. >This unfortunately has caused a delay in shipping somewhere between 30 to >45 >days. The upside is that this new supply is way more compact and >lightweight than the previous model so it should be well worth the wait. I >know this is a pain in the butt...but we want you to be satisfied with >Repeaters quality when it does ship. > > >Respect, > >Damon Langlois >Creative Director >Electrix >Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 >http://www.electrixpro.com > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 13:05:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15355; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 12:56:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 12:56:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 10:10:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Repeater sample start Cc: Damon@Electrixpro.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A question for fellow Loopers and Damon at Electrix; Do many of you use the audio-triggered sample/record start on the Echoplex? I've had my EDP set up this way a long time, and enjoy the functionality of "arming" the loop by pressing record, then actually starting recording by playing. Looking thru the Repeater manual I didn't notice this, is this available or possible on Repeater, Damon? Asked as a concerned user, as I'm pre-ordered for 2 Repeaters :) Best- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 13:06:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15616; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 13:03:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 13:03:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: RE: Repeater ship date To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 11:59:42 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 11/09/2000 11:59:43 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Electrix isn't based out of Florida by any chance, is it? L "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater ship date 11/09/00 11:57 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht No President yet...Repeater delayed a month or more ???? What's happening to AMERICA???? let's keep cool! Damon, Electrix will loose Xmas sales...too sad! best Ital@@@P From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 13:10:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15780; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 13:06:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 13:06:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater ship date Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 10:05:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Please tell me it's not a WALL WART. Nope, it's not a wall wart. It's an international switching line lump stile PSU. Laptop style. It's nice and small, so no worries. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:tcn62@ici.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 5:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater ship date At 05:02 PM 11/8/00 -0800, Damon Langlois wrote: >...a new, swanky, power supply. Please tell me it's not a WALL WART. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 13:16:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15984; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 13:11:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 13:11:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8303C219F@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: jimmy To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Repeater sample start Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 11:41:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what is this 'repeater'? please steer me in an informative direction. has anyone witnessed the new v2 upgrade for the boomerang yet? thanks, jimmy george -----Original Message----- From: landman@wco.com [mailto:landman@wco.com] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 12:10 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Damon@Electrixpro.com Subject: Repeater sample start A question for fellow Loopers and Damon at Electrix; Do many of you use the audio-triggered sample/record start on the Echoplex? I've had my EDP set up this way a long time, and enjoy the functionality of "arming" the loop by pressing record, then actually starting recording by playing. Looking thru the Repeater manual I didn't notice this, is this available or possible on Repeater, Damon? Asked as a concerned user, as I'm pre-ordered for 2 Repeaters :) Best- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 14:00:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16943; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 13:56:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 13:56:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200011091853.KAA28123@proxy2.ba.best.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 10:58:14 -0800 Subject: Re: Repeater ship date From: "Allan Hoeltje" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Who needs a president anyway, we could be self governing, like the internet. (only joking!) If it isn't ready for Xmas why not make it a New Year's gift? You Repeater folks should stop complaining - I am still on the wait list for my next EDP. Good products ARE worth waiting for! -Allan ---------- >From: "italo de angelis" >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Repeater ship date >Date: Thu, Nov 9, 2000, 10:57 AM > > No President yet...Repeater delayed a month or more ???? > What's happening to AMERICA???? > let's keep cool! Damon, Electrix will loose Xmas sales...too sad! > best Ital@@@P From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 14:10:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17330; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:08:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:08:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ab01c04a81$1c52d100$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Repeater ship date Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 11:13:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ..the nature of loopers- keep repeating same things over and over and over...... c -----Original Message----- From: Allan Hoeltje To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thursday, November 09, 2000 10:58 AM Subject: Re: Repeater ship date >Who needs a president anyway, we could be self governing, like the internet. >(only joking!) > >If it isn't ready for Xmas why not make it a New Year's gift? > >You Repeater folks should stop complaining - I am still on the wait list for >my next EDP. Good products ARE worth waiting for! > >-Allan > >---------- >>From: "italo de angelis" >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: RE: Repeater ship date >>Date: Thu, Nov 9, 2000, 10:57 AM >> > >> No President yet...Repeater delayed a month or more ???? >> What's happening to AMERICA???? >> let's keep cool! Damon, Electrix will loose Xmas sales...too sad! >> best Ital@@@P > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 15:15:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18998; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 15:12:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 15:12:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A0AE877.9E3638FA@sigecom.net> Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 14:10:00 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: V2 update References: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8303C219F@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yup , got it myself. Well worth the money. Huge improvement! Zing From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 18:52:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24124; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 18:48:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 18:48:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looping question Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 15:47:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey loopers, If anyone wants to help us (Electrix) with future loopy developments and maybe some marketing rigmarole send me an answer to the question: Why are you passionate about loop-based music production? Please send it to my personnel email so it doesn't irritate the rest of the list. mailto:damon@electrixpro.com Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 19:57:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25797; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 19:54:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 19:54:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 18:56:53 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater ship date To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <019b01c04ab1$1e2657b0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com those actually seem a bit more problematic than wall warts to me. sure, wall-warts take up lots of space on an outlet strip, but with the inline, once you rack the thing, the power supply is hanging loose... -me ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 12:05 PM Subject: RE: Repeater ship date > >Please tell me it's not a WALL WART. > Nope, it's not a wall wart. It's an international switching line lump stile > PSU. Laptop style. It's nice and small, so no worries. > > > Respect, > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Nelson [mailto:tcn62@ici.net] > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 5:37 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Repeater ship date > > > At 05:02 PM 11/8/00 -0800, Damon Langlois wrote: > >...a new, swanky, power supply. > > Please tell me it's not a WALL WART. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 20:23:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26299; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 20:21:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 20:21:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater power supply Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 17:20:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >those actually seem a bit more problematic than wall warts to me. >sure, wall-warts take up lots of space on an outlet strip, but with >the inline, once you rack the thing, the power supply is hanging loose... Now you understand why we are waiting for the ultra small one. It is very light and streamlined so this won't be a problem. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 20:29:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26464; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 20:27:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 20:27:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: RE: Repeater power supply Message-ID: <0056910008536294000002L142*@MHS> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 19:28:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 11/09/00 19:26:19" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id UAA26431 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damon, You are starting to sound a little TOO much like a marketing guy. Is that what Creative Director really means? Brother K Damon@Electrixpro.com on 11/09/2000 05:25:40 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP cc: Subject: RE: Repeater power supply Classification: >those actually seem a bit more problematic than wall warts to me. >sure, wall-warts take up lots of space on an outlet strip, but with >the inline, once you rack the thing, the power supply is hanging loose... Now you understand why we are waiting for the ultra small one. It is very light and streamlined so this won't be a problem. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 21:09:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27606; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 21:07:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 21:07:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001109210853.007c2450@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 21:08:53 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Repeater ship date In-Reply-To: <019b01c04ab1$1e2657b0$080210ac@jpalmer> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've found it pretty easy to attach the line lumps to the inside wall of the rack, especially behind a unit that isn't very deep, like all of the Electrix stuff. If you've got a power conditioner or a powerstrip in the rack, at least the line lump doesn't cover up two or three spaces the way a wall wart would. An easy way to keep the lump in place is to staple a piece of nylon strap to the inside of the rack, with a little strategically-placed Velcro... -t At 06:56 PM 11/9/00 -0600, you wrote: >those actually seem a bit more problematic than wall warts to me. >sure, wall-warts take up lots of space on an outlet strip, but with >the inline, once you rack the thing, the power supply is hanging loose... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 21:27:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27984; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 21:25:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 21:25:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001109212258.028162d0@free-music.com> X-Sender: X-Mailer: Ken's Useful eMail Suite v5.1 Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 21:23:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ken Subject: * warning: ken's last ever radio extravaganza sat 11/11 9-10am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (you will almost certainly receive this twice. such was not my intention. mail server problems. i apologize. this copy should arrive first, and another copy, not bearing this notice, will arrive later. sorry.) * ken's last ever radio extravaganza saturday 11/11 9am-10am wfmu (radio waves and internet) * live improvisation means what will be aired will be determined at the time it is aired forecasting noise and density slight possibility of confusion through political texts chance of rhythmic looping by late morning scheduled so as not to interfere with other activities studies reveal use of lowercase in promotions increases overall enjoyment of event live contributions may very well be accepted 201-200-9368 during the show please subvert boredom not accepted * read about the ongoing project ken's last ever radio extravaganza http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/ * listen to the show - via internet (please see ) - 91.1FM new york city area (requires fm radio or better) - 90.1FM somewhere above new york city - find it somewhere between channels 5 and 6 on your tv - listen in your doctor's waiting room - read closed captioning text simulcast, where available * complain ken kenzo@free-music.com * order cd's of any of past 239 shows http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/ * thanks to wfmu free-form radio * people are more important than corporations * ken's last ever radio extravaganza http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 21:30:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28108; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 21:28:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 21:28:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001109144501.02625a00@free-music.com> X-Sender: X-Mailer: Ken's Useful eMail Suite v5.1 Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 15:34:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ken Subject: * warning: ken's last ever radio extravaganza sat 11/11 9-10am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com * ken's last ever radio extravaganza saturday 11/11 9am-10am wfmu (radio waves and internet) * live improvisation means what will be aired will be determined at the time it is aired forecasting noise and density slight possibility of confusion through political texts chance of rhythmic looping by late morning scheduled so as not to interfere with other activities studies reveal use of lowercase in promotions increases overall enjoyment of event live contributions may very well be accepted 201-200-9368 during the show please subvert boredom not accepted * read about the ongoing project ken's last ever radio extravaganza http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/ * listen to the show (note: direct links to all these things will probably be available on http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/ by airtime) -1- 91.1FM new york city area (requires fm radio or better) -2- 90.1FM somewhere above new york city -3- evil realaudio modem speed: http://www.wfmu.org/wfmu.ram -4- even more evil media player modem speed: http://playlist.broadcast.com/makeplaylist.dll?id=437124&s=78016005:G&encad=2F6164732F6D61726B6574696E672F686F75736561645F313132353938 (i'm not kidding) -5- not especially evil mp3 stream modem speed: (you must enter this directly into a program like winamp, NOT from your browser) http://216.32.166.79:21694/ (copy and paste into winamp) -6- also not too evil super-high-bandwidth mp3 stream: (head to work on saturday morning and use their t1. sounds like the real thing!) http://wfmu.oven.com:8000/listen.pls -7- find it somewhere between channels 5 and 6 on your tv -8- listen in your doctor's waiting room -9- read closed captioning text simulcast, where available * complain ken kenzo@free-music.com * order cd's of any of past 239 shows http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/ * thanks to wfmu free-form radio * people are more important than corporations * ken's last ever radio extravaganza http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 21:42:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28393; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 21:40:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 21:40:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.218.206.37] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater power supply Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 20:39:01 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2000 02:39:01.0609 (UTC) FILETIME=[6260BD90:01C04ABF] Resent-Message-ID: <4aQpLB.A.66G.h_1C6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damon, Will this power supply work with othe relectrix supply? Also do you have the vaguest of date for when the repeater MIDi foot controller will be for sale? Thanks, Jeremiah >From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Repeater power supply >Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 17:20:19 -0800 > > >those actually seem a bit more problematic than wall warts to me. > >sure, wall-warts take up lots of space on an outlet strip, but with > >the inline, once you rack the thing, the power supply is hanging loose... > >Now you understand why we are waiting for the ultra small one. It is very >light and streamlined so this won't be a problem. > >Respect, > >Damon Langlois >Creative Director >Electrix >Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 >http://www.electrixpro.com > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 9 21:52:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28734; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 21:50:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 21:50:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A0A7374.3E3D@nh.ultranet.com> Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 09:52:28 +0000 From: rb Reply-To: rumble@nh.ultranet.com Organization: curse of the chia X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: this repeater thing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com how much was the group price on it? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 06:50:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04339; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 06:41:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 06:41:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c04c16$ef107ac0$6700a8c0@nathan> Reply-To: "Nathan Collins" From: "Nathan Collins" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 11:20:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C04BD1.55573300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C04BD1.55573300 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0022_01C04BD1.55573300" ------=_NextPart_001_0022_01C04BD1.55573300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_001_0022_01C04BD1.55573300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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You cannot continue to illude us :o)) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 14:04:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10762; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:00:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:00:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: The dirty Job Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 10:58:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >You are starting to sound a little TOO much like a marketing guy. Is that what Creative Director really means? It comes with the territory. My biggest Joy with what I do at Electrix is Industrial Design (Product design, looks, UI, etc). But I am also Involved with the marketing end of things as well (small company kinda thing). So as it turns out I have been producing a lot of our "copy" for ads and other marketing bits (Jamie Drouin does our Graphic and web design) so yes, sometimes I have to put on the --marketing guy-- hat. It's a dirty job ... but someone's gotta do it. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 15:38:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13374; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:36:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:36:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c04b1f$a6ea3490$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: [ot?] making looping avi's or mov's Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:08:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <6IPfIB.A.fQD.evFD6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi. I wondered if anyone has any tips for creation and playback of looping video. I'm on PC for this project and have Adobe Premiere 5.1 at my disposal. thanks, os. os@scee.sony.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/ http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/ http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 16:29:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14617; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 16:28:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 16:28:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 16:27:33 -0500 Subject: Re: The dirty Job From: Doug Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > My biggest Joy with what I do at Electrix is > Industrial Design (Product design, looks, UI, etc). I can tell. Repeater looks AWESOME! Blows the EDP UI away! _________________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer / Illustrator http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller http://www.dispatch.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 16:38:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14961; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 16:37:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 16:37:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Kim Flint To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: The dirty Job Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:35:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com maybe it's prettier, but we designed in a rugged internal power supply that works anywhere in the world with an ordinary cable you can get anywhere. ;-) kim > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Miller [mailto:dmiller3@columbus.rr.com] > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 1:28 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: The dirty Job > > > > My biggest Joy with what I do at Electrix is > > Industrial Design (Product design, looks, UI, etc). > > I can tell. Repeater looks AWESOME! Blows the EDP UI away! > > _________________________________ > Doug Miller > Graphic Designer / Illustrator > http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller > http://www.dispatch.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 17:07:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15724; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 17:05:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 17:05:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 17:04:38 -0500 Subject: Re: The dirty Job From: Doug Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2AhosC.A.2zD.tDHD6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That is a definite plus! I _do_ like not having _another_ wart or bulge power cable. By the way... my EDP is pretty awesome too! Vanilla is one of my favorite flavors. > maybe it's prettier, but we designed in a rugged internal power supply that > works anywhere in the world with an ordinary cable you can get anywhere. ;-) > >>> My biggest Joy with what I do at Electrix is >>> Industrial Design (Product design, looks, UI, etc). >> >> I can tell. Repeater looks AWESOME! Blows the EDP UI away! _________________________________ Doug Miller Graphic Designer / Illustrator http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller http://www.dispatch.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 17:16:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15976; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 17:15:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 17:15:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001110160921.02d1ac00@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 16:14:26 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: The dirty Job In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doug Miller (04:04 PM 11.10.2000) wrote: >> maybe it's prettier, but we designed in a rugged internal power supply that >> works anywhere in the world with an ordinary cable you can get anywhere. ;-) > >That is a definite plus! I _do_ like not having _another_ wart or bulge >power cable. By the way... my EDP is pretty awesome too! True. But, doing an internal supply can also cause delays in certification, increased costs in design, heat issues in the chassis... Many times it's just "easier and cheaper" for a company to go with an external supply solution. This allows the design budget and time to be focused on the specific product workings. Electrix is a Canadian company, that may also have some issues in regulatory blessings. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 18:53:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17547; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 18:41:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 18:41:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <44.8ab6d9d.273de16f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 18:40:31 EST Subject: hmmmmmmmmm To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: <9zos6D.A.7RE.SeID6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 11/10/00 8:14:52 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, mark@redmoon-music.com writes: << Electrix is a Canadian company >> does the exchange rate play into the pricing at all?...........i like canadians..........:)...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 19:17:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18041; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 19:16:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 19:16:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001110181337.02d48f00@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 18:14:57 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: hmmmmmmmmm In-Reply-To: <44.8ab6d9d.273de16f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nemoguitt@aol.com (05:40 PM 11.10.2000) wrote: >mark@redmoon-music.com writes: > ><< Electrix is a Canadian company >> > >does the exchange rate play into the pricing at all?...........i like >canadians..........:)...........michael Sure... If the Repeater listed for US $700 (I'm not implying it does) then that would be about $1081 CAD (given today's rates). :) http://www.xe.net/ucc/convert.cgi Mark - being a smartass. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 19:19:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18123; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 19:18:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 19:18:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 05:49:47 -0500 (EST) From: noah X-Sender: fishmong@aint-got-nothin.mit.edu To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: The dirty Job In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <9tM1F.A._aE.lAJD6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would take a less expensive, smaller, lighter machine with an external line bulge transformer over a costlier, heavier, larger, hotter running machine with an internal supply any day. Just personal preference, not a slam on the EDP. I don't understand what the rage against the wall wart is all about when you factor in cost, noise, heat and weight versus convenience. I'm back, btw. Sorry to all who mailed repeater@braincramp to no avail, I've been too busy to do anything at all (a common conundrum). -><- On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, Kim Flint wrote: > > maybe it's prettier, but we designed in a rugged internal power supply that > works anywhere in the world with an ordinary cable you can get anywhere. ;-) > > > kim > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Doug Miller [mailto:dmiller3@columbus.rr.com] > > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 1:28 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: The dirty Job > > > > > > > My biggest Joy with what I do at Electrix is > > > Industrial Design (Product design, looks, UI, etc). > > > > I can tell. Repeater looks AWESOME! Blows the EDP UI away! > > > > _________________________________ > > Doug Miller > > Graphic Designer / Illustrator > > http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller > > http://www.dispatch.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 10 19:29:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18371; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 19:29:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 19:29:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c04b76$4653e020$74c7d8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: Size Matters Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 16:28:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "noah" To: Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 2:49 AM Subject: RE: The dirty Job > > I would take a less expensive, smaller, lighter machine It's not smaller--looks to be two rack spaces. BTW, also looks like a contender! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 02:11:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24088; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 02:09:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 02:09:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <043801c04bae$17b674c0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <001d01c04b76$4653e020$74c7d8cc@gary> Subject: OT Recording Question - Roland VS 840 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 02:07:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <7ZM-_D.A.G4F.vBPD6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey gang, I'm working with my friend's Roland VS 840 digital recorder, and I've hit a snag. Say I record a drum loop on track 1, then overdub a guitar part on track 2. When I play track 2 back by itself, I get the drum loop AND the guitar together, and no apparent way to separate them. If I then record something else to track 3, then that track contains the new signal plus what's on tracks 1 and 2. I'm following the instructions carefully, but I assume I'm doing something wrong. Any ideas? Incidentally, it seems like a nice enough piece of equipment, once you get over the usual Roland quirks like the awful documentation and the "why have one button when you can have twenty?" syndrome. Certainly a step up from my old Yamaha 4-track. Thanks. Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 04:51:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26003; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 04:50:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 04:50:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Drsample2k@aol.com Message-ID: <6d.b467a92.273e7047@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 04:49:59 EST Subject: Re: OT Recording Question - Roland VS 840 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 125 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm not sure myself. i have the groove sampler, and i know that if i don't have the track buttons off, they'll still play. on mine, if it's lit green, it plays, if it's lit red, it records on that track, and if it's orange, it will bounce the track to another track. but if there's no light on for that track, it doesn't play. hope this helps, Roland is a great company. by the way, groove sampler is made by Roland in case you didn't know. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 18:40:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32713; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 18:38:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 18:38:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.218.236.236] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: The dirty Job Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 17:36:47 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2000 23:36:48.0035 (UTC) FILETIME=[42493F30:01C04C38] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, My name is Jeremiah Runnels. I was wondeing are you still doing the group buy thing, or is Alto music going to be our best price. THanks, Jeremiah >From: noah >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" > >Subject: RE: The dirty Job >Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 05:49:47 -0500 (EST) > > >I would take a less expensive, smaller, lighter machine with an external >line bulge transformer over a costlier, heavier, larger, hotter running >machine with an internal supply any day. Just personal preference, not a >slam on the EDP. I don't understand what the rage against the wall wart is >all about when you factor in cost, noise, heat and weight versus >convenience. > >I'm back, btw. Sorry to all who mailed repeater@braincramp to no avail, >I've been too busy to do anything at all (a common conundrum). > >-><- > >On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, Kim Flint wrote: > > > > > maybe it's prettier, but we designed in a rugged internal power supply >that > > works anywhere in the world with an ordinary cable you can get anywhere. >;-) > > > > > > kim > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Doug Miller [mailto:dmiller3@columbus.rr.com] > > > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 1:28 PM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: Re: The dirty Job > > > > > > > > > > My biggest Joy with what I do at Electrix is > > > > Industrial Design (Product design, looks, UI, etc). > > > > > > I can tell. Repeater looks AWESOME! Blows the EDP UI away! > > > > > > _________________________________ > > > Doug Miller > > > Graphic Designer / Illustrator > > > http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller > > > http://www.dispatch.com > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 19:03:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00735; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 19:02:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 19:02:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c04c3b$d2376100$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers List" Subject: OT: Acid-like prog for Mac? Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 16:02:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <4GVCW.A.UL.n3dD6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone know of a prog for Mac that is similar to Acid? Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 22:46:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03744; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 22:45:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 22:45:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 03:45:19 +0000 Subject: Re: OT: Acid-like prog for Mac? From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000d01c04c3b$d2376100$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bitheadz Phrazer is the Mac equivalent, it is either out or about to ship. www.bitheadz.com Martin Shellard > From: "Om_Audio" > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 16:02:17 -0800 > To: "Loopers List" > Subject: OT: Acid-like prog for Mac? > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 19:01:43 -0500 > > Anyone know of a prog for Mac that is similar to Acid? > > Cliff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 11 23:49:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04535; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 23:48:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 23:48:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 10:19:53 -0500 (EST) From: noah X-Sender: fishmong@aint-got-nothin.mit.edu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: The dirty Job In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am/was simply collecting the list of buyers for the fine folks at Alto. they'll be the folks to talk to, ultimately, but if you whack an email out to repeater@braincramp.org I'll send you the info and add your name to the list. -><- On Sat, 11 Nov 2000, George Washington wrote: > > Hello, > My name is Jeremiah Runnels. I was wondeing are you still doing the group > buy thing, or is Alto music going to be our best price. > THanks, > Jeremiah > > >From: noah > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" > > > >Subject: RE: The dirty Job > >Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 05:49:47 -0500 (EST) > > > > > >I would take a less expensive, smaller, lighter machine with an external > >line bulge transformer over a costlier, heavier, larger, hotter running > >machine with an internal supply any day. Just personal preference, not a > >slam on the EDP. I don't understand what the rage against the wall wart is > >all about when you factor in cost, noise, heat and weight versus > >convenience. > > > >I'm back, btw. Sorry to all who mailed repeater@braincramp to no avail, > >I've been too busy to do anything at all (a common conundrum). > > > >-><- > > > >On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, Kim Flint wrote: > > > > > > > > maybe it's prettier, but we designed in a rugged internal power supply > >that > > > works anywhere in the world with an ordinary cable you can get anywhere. > >;-) > > > > > > > > > kim > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Doug Miller [mailto:dmiller3@columbus.rr.com] > > > > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 1:28 PM > > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > Subject: Re: The dirty Job > > > > > > > > > > > > > My biggest Joy with what I do at Electrix is > > > > > Industrial Design (Product design, looks, UI, etc). > > > > > > > > I can tell. Repeater looks AWESOME! Blows the EDP UI away! > > > > > > > > _________________________________ > > > > Doug Miller > > > > Graphic Designer / Illustrator > > > > http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller > > > > http://www.dispatch.com > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 12 02:27:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06172; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 02:16:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 02:16:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c04c78$720831a0$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: OT: Acid-like prog for Mac? Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 23:16:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks- thats the one I've been looking for- c ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Shellard" To: Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 7:45 PM Subject: Re: OT: Acid-like prog for Mac? > Bitheadz Phrazer is the Mac equivalent, it is either out or about to ship. > www.bitheadz.com > > Martin Shellard > > > > From: "Om_Audio" > > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 16:02:17 -0800 > > To: "Loopers List" > > Subject: OT: Acid-like prog for Mac? > > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 19:01:43 -0500 > > > > Anyone know of a prog for Mac that is similar to Acid? > > > > Cliff > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 12 05:44:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08630; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 05:43:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 05:43:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c04ca8$0a115a60$956202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> Reply-To: "Gregor Zavcer" From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: The dirty Job Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 12:38:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C04CA5.82042B40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <_NUyQC.A.pGC.XQnD6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C04CA5.82042B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, i was wondering what is wrong with being the "marketing guy"? just a = reminder: damon is all the time being "the marketing guy". Marketing = doesn't mean promotion. It means identifying potential customers needs, = gathering input, following the happenings on the target markets, public = relationships, etc. all i can say is, damon, you're making your job as a = marketing guy very well. IMO one of the most dirties jobs is to play commercial cheesy covers to = a bunch of drunks. that's dirty.:)))) greetings, gregor p.s.: damon any chance that it'll be possible to try out ANY of the = electrix products in Slovenia? will you have any distributors here? are = you interested in any? >>You are starting to sound a little TOO much like a marketing guy. Is = that >what Creative Director really means? ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C04CA5.82042B40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey,
 
i was wondering what is wrong with being the = "marketing=20 guy"? just a reminder: damon is all the time being "the = marketing=20 guy". Marketing doesn't mean promotion. It means identifying = potential=20 customers needs, gathering input, following the happenings on the target = markets, public relationships, etc. all i can say is, damon, you're = making your=20 job as a marketing guy very well.
 
IMO one of the most dirties jobs is to play = commercial cheesy=20 covers to a bunch of drunks. that's dirty.:))))
 
greetings,
 
gregor
 
p.s.: damon any chance that it'll be possible to try = out ANY=20 of the electrix products in Slovenia? will you have any distributors = here? are=20 you interested in any?
 
 

 
>>You are starting to sound = a little TOO=20 much like a marketing guy. Is that
>what Creative Director really=20 means?
 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C04CA5.82042B40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 12 08:59:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10025; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:57:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 08:57:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.174.13] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater question 4 DAMON Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 14:55:49 CET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2000 13:55:49.0348 (UTC) FILETIME=[434D7A40:01C04CB0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Damon...waiting for the "thing" coming out, brains keep mumble around on its abilities. My question is...can Repeater work as 4 different delay lines at the same time, with DIFFERENT delay times and feedback set so that new layers will replace old ones, fading in the backgound?...kind of "Soundscaping" like Fripp does with those TC2290s. Or maybe just 2 indipendent mono lines? Or 2 stereo ones? ....thanx....italoop _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 12 11:48:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11884; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:47:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:47:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: partagas.dragonet.es: [193.153.189.236] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20001112180053.00b31d60@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 18:00:53 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "R.MUTT" Subject: FS: Roland GP-100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com fi friends ! i have this item for sale: Roland GP-100 preamp / multieffects it's in excellent condition ! don't know how much to ask for it, but i remember i bought it new for 150000 pts (aprox. $800 ?) can anybody tell me ? if interested send an e-mail to rauboto@dragonet.es and we can negotiate a reasonable price. cheers ! R.MUTT /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Tapeadores http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/tap /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 12 15:27:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14932; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 15:25:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 15:25:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001112202454.2186.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 12:24:54 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: OT Recording Question - Roland VS 840 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-JTod.A.FpD.WyvD6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Peter, Check the 'input' setting for each of these tracks. If I understand what you are saying, you are getting a 'mix' of the 3 tracks on the 3rd track, a mix of the first 2 tracks on the second track, and just the first instrument on the first track. This is symptomatic of you recording the 'mix' on tracks 2 and 3 instead of a discreet input channel, such as 'input 1'. If this 840 is like the 880 you should be able to got to 'shift' 'input' and scroll (via the shuttle wheel) to 'input 1' or 'input 2' for the channel that you want to record the discreet input. bret --- Peter Shindler wrote: > Hey gang, > > I'm working with my friend's Roland VS 840 digital recorder, and I've > hit a > snag. Say I record a drum loop on track 1, then overdub a guitar > part on > track 2. When I play track 2 back by itself, I get the drum loop AND > the > guitar together, and no apparent way to separate them. If I then > record > something else to track 3, then that track contains the new signal > plus > what's on tracks 1 and 2. I'm following the instructions carefully, > but I > assume I'm doing something wrong. Any ideas? > > Incidentally, it seems like a nice enough piece of equipment, once > you get > over the usual Roland quirks like the awful documentation and the > "why have > one button when you can have twenty?" syndrome. Certainly a step up > from my > old Yamaha 4-track. > > Thanks. > > > Peter > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 13 09:13:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26729; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:10:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:10:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c04e11$cb4cea40$09428ec6@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron street" To: Subject: Australian Repeater Price. Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 00:06:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C04DCE.BBC92FE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C04DCE.BBC92FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Apparently Austalians are going to pay $1700 retail, for the repeater. And will be here at the end of november. cool banananas. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C04DCE.BBC92FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Apparently Austalians are going to pay $1700 = retail, for=20 the repeater.
And will be here at the end of november.  cool=20 banananas.
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C04DCE.BBC92FE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 13 13:39:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30381; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:37:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:37:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A1034BB.9DA193B0@voicenet.com> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:36:43 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AH , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" , DH Subject: New Live track online and Credit cards! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm slowly revamping the Help Wanted Productions web site. As of now you can order any CD (including the Looper's Delight Vol 1 or The L.I.F.E. Album) via credit card using Paypal either form the US or internationally. All the other CDs and tapes in the catalog range from $4 to $10 including US postage (add $1 per time for canada or foreign) . I can't say enough about how proud I am of this catalog from the single CDs, to live albums, to compilations. Give the MP3s a shot and if you're interested order online or via snail mail. A few orders go a long way and help me keep this music going. Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/catalog.html As a special thank you to the people that showed up at my show this weekend and have supported HWP in the past I've put a free 15 minute MP3 of the recent live show on our download page. It contains everything from analog drum machines and synths, to a Korg Kaoss pad, digital synths, processed pitch shifted tape loops, and unusual stomp boxes. I don't know how to describe this so I'll leave that up to you. It has some beats, industrial noise, etc., and is 100% live with no pre-sequenced or processed parts (outside of the beats in the drum machines which were altered and mixed live). No midi (other than midi sync) and no DAT, backup tape, or laptops were used. This is what I do with a pile of machines and effects on a regular basis. Links to the MP3.com pages and direct MP3s from here: Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/samples.html If you enjoy this, drop me an email so I at least know someone out there is getting to this stuff. HWP is 100% word of mouth oriented so if ya dig it please buy a CD and/or tell somebody else. Enjoy and Thanks! __________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 13 18:21:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04070; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:19:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:19:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:17:30 -0800 From: "Tim Sanz" To: Subject: Re: looping question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA04022 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Damon, After my last nights solo guitar looping I remembered your question stated here and it occurred to me that every time I make audio loops, they are always very different and never the same. They allow me to be me, may it be my best, or my worst their always fun and exciting knowing its for the moment. I like that a lot and that feeds my soul. Keeps me coming back for more, "never the same and always different" Currently my set up includes a tube amp through an Allan Holdsworth Harness which converts the tube speaker output to a line level which then gets eq'ed then goes through many processors and in which hopefully my DL4 will get traded in 4 the Repeater. Cheers~ Tim Sanz >>> Damon@Electrixpro.com 11/09 3:47 PM >>> Hey loopers, If anyone wants to help us (Electrix) with future loopy developments and maybe some marketing rigmarole send me an answer to the question: Why are you passionate about loop-based music production? Please send it to my personnel email so it doesn't irritate the rest of the list. mailto:damon@electrixpro.com Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 13 18:48:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04626; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:35:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:35:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200011132335.PAA08424@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:36:00 -0700 Subject: Re: looping question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok since we're ot(sposed to be personal email,but i think people want to hear the answers to your q, or will they be posted damon...?) what tube amp and what power amp at the end of your chain?...sounds like a great set-up for loopin to me...stanner(also where you giggin @?) ---------- >From: "Tim Sanz" >To: >Subject: Re: looping question >Date: Mon, Nov 13, 2000, 4:17 PM > >Hi Damon, After my last nights solo guitar looping I remembered your >question stated here and it occurred to me that >every time I make audio loops, they are always very different and never the same. >They allow me to be me, may it be my best, or my worst their always fun and >exciting knowing its for the moment. >I like that a lot and that feeds my soul. Keeps me coming back for more, >"never the same and always different" >Currently my set up includes a tube amp through an Allan Holdsworth Harness >which converts the tube speaker output to a line level >which then gets eq'ed then goes through many processors and in which >hopefully my DL4 will get traded in 4 the Repeater. >Cheers~ >Tim Sanz > > >>>> Damon@Electrixpro.com 11/09 3:47 PM >>> >Hey loopers, >If anyone wants to help us (Electrix) with future loopy developments and >maybe some marketing rigmarole send me an answer to the question: > >Why are you passionate about loop-based music production? > >Please send it to my personnel email so it doesn't irritate the rest of the >list. mailto:damon@electrixpro.com > >Respect, > >Damon Langlois >Creative Director >Electrix >Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 >http://www.electrixpro.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 13 19:01:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05259; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:55:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:55:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <029001c04dcd$1fd71e40$9b00e4d4@z5k2e6> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: SPG in the UK... Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:50:30 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I'm here in London, and finally settled in enough to be able to start reposting to MP3 again... so, is there anyone else in the vicinity that'd have me play with them? I'd enjoy doing washes for backgrounds at least, and I don't have much hardware to truck around (thank God, there's no car here but I wonder what it'll be like on the tubes with it, hm? Well, perhaps a cab huh?) Ironic that, just as I was functionally ready to play publicly, along comes my marriage and the move out of LA. (Sorry folks, she wins on this one [rolling eyes]). I've read that there's a killer "jazz" scene here... but also don't know where any of this stuff is. Does this encompass also experimental music? After all, wasn't Miles thought by some as the same, and "not jazz"? Looking forward to hearing from yez. By the way I've also released some new material on MP3, at the address below, and can use the money...! Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! 020 7602 2243 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 06:13:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16273; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 06:08:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 06:08:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: irwell.zetnet.co.uk: Host man-a055.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.55] claimed to be abc Message-ID: <00c001c04e2b$64aa0c40$4b2cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: looping question Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:45:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > If anyone wants to help us (Electrix) with future loopy developments and > maybe some marketing rigmarole send me an answer to the question: > > Why are you passionate about loop-based music production? I think as an on-topic discussion, I'd like to see the answers on list... my reason is that I see any loop device as an instrument in its own right - I've tried multi-tracking myself in the studio, but without the instant feedback and chance element that comes with looping, I need to enter a completely different head-space, one that I don't particularly want to inhabit, which is why I released a live album... I also love the feeling of all that noise being just from me! being bass, harmony, melody and rhythm all at once and being totally in control, completely responsible and not having to worry about what the other musos might do... If anyone in London is interested in hearing this, I've got a seriously loop-heavy gig this Friday night, in a church in Holloway just up from Caledonian Road tube station - doors 7.30, £5 on the door, I'll be doing an hour solo set, then an hour with my trio feat. cello and percussion, and the set will include video loops, instillations and other arty stuff... should be great. see web-site for more details cheers Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com ***solo gig in London on Nov 17th - see web-site for details*** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 06:39:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16894; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 06:36:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 06:36:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: irwell.zetnet.co.uk: Host man-a063.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.63] claimed to be abc Message-ID: <010301c04e2f$46ec61e0$4b2cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <029001c04dcd$1fd71e40$9b00e4d4@z5k2e6> Subject: Re: SPG in the UK... Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:34:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <-auUyD.A.uHE.7NSE6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Well, I'm here in London, and finally settled in enough to be able to start > reposting to MP3 again... so, is there anyone else in the vicinity that'd > have me play with them? I'd enjoy doing washes for backgrounds at least, > and I don't have much hardware to truck around (thank God, there's no car > here but I wonder what it'll be like on the tubes with it, hm? Well, > perhaps a cab huh?) getting around in London without a car is OK so long as you don't try and carry a big amp on the tube, or try to do it during rush-hour... :o) > Ironic that, just as I was functionally ready to play publicly, along comes > my marriage and the move out of LA. (Sorry folks, she wins on this one > [rolling eyes]). There are plenty of places to play in London, it's just a matter of meeting the right people... > I've read that there's a killer "jazz" scene here... but also don't know > where any of this stuff is. Does this encompass also experimental music? > After all, wasn't Miles thought by some as the same, and "not jazz"? There is a bit of an experimental scene - the Vortex in Stoke Newington has some really cool gigs on, as do some of the bigger venues, and there's the London Musicians Collective, or something like that, who organise a lot of stuff that I've not yet managed to get to... Spitz in Spittalfields is another good venue for weird shit... and then there's my gig on Friday... :o) Let me know if you're playing... Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com ***solo gig in London on Nov 17th - see web-site for details*** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 06:54:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA17276; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 06:49:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 06:49:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c04e30$ce35c140$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: References: <029001c04dcd$1fd71e40$9b00e4d4@z5k2e6> <010301c04e2f$46ec61e0$4b2cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: SPG in the UK... Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:48:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > There is a bit of an experimental scene - the Vortex in Stoke Newington has > some really cool gigs on, as do some of the bigger venues, and there's the > London Musicians Collective, or something like that, who organise a lot of > stuff that I've not yet managed to get to... Spitz in Spittalfields is > another good venue for weird shit... Don't get me started on the LMC... for a supposedly avant-garde organization they have the most ruthless thought police ever - improv not free enough? not real music. improv too free? not real music. too many guitar pedals? you're an old hippy with too much cash. I kid you not. os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 07:05:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA17630; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 07:01:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 07:01:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: irwell.zetnet.co.uk: Host man-a063.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.63] claimed to be abc Message-ID: <011c01c04e32$dcc4f300$4b2cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <029001c04dcd$1fd71e40$9b00e4d4@z5k2e6> <010301c04e2f$46ec61e0$4b2cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> <000b01c04e30$ce35c140$51cec22b@cambmaya04> Subject: Re: SPG in the UK... Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:03:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Don't get me started on the LMC... for a supposedly avant-garde organization > they have the most ruthless thought police ever - improv not free enough? > not real music. improv too free? not real music. too many guitar pedals? > you're an old hippy with too much cash. I kid you not. That doesn't sound too good - I'm not into being forced to be unmelodic... It's a problem with marketing broad music - people expect you to be either experimental or ambient, or jazzy or harsh or whatever, and I cross these boundaries fairly regularly within one tune... I guess that's why Bill Frisell is so inspiring - he seems to have no boundaries. Did anyone else go and see him play in London on Sunday night? What an unbelieveable evening's music, and some serious DL4 useage too... Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com ***solo gig in London on Nov 17th - see web-site for details*** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 10:33:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20462; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:30:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:30:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "J. Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: SPG in the UK... Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 07:28:50 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <011c01c04e32$dcc4f300$4b2cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, you saw Frisell too... I know another Englishman who went to see Frisell. He was really impressed. He's number 22 towards the middle of the page, here: http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/ct_75/ct_75.html | -----Original Message----- | From: Steve Lawson [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk] | Sent: Tuesday 14 November 2000 4:03 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: Re: SPG in the UK... | | | boundaries fairly regularly within one tune... I guess that's why Bill | Frisell is so inspiring - he seems to have no boundaries. | | Did anyone else go and see him play in London on Sunday night? What an | unbelieveable evening's music, and some serious DL4 useage too... | | Steve | web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk | e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk | mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com | | ***solo gig in London on Nov 17th - see web-site for details*** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 10:43:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20741; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:41:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:41:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 07:39:22 -0800 From: "Tim Sanz" To: Subject: Re: looping question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA20704 Resent-Message-ID: <1yJOJC.A.vDF.czVE6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com whoops. was in a rush and forgot to send it directly to the man. TS >>> stanitarium@earthlink.net 11/13 3:35 PM >>> ok since we're ot(sposed to be personal email,but i think people want to hear the answers to your q, or will they be posted damon...?) what tube amp and what power amp at the end of your chain?...sounds like a great set-up for loopin to me...stanner(also where you giggin @?) ---------- >From: "Tim Sanz" >To: >Subject: Re: looping question >Date: Mon, Nov 13, 2000, 4:17 PM > >Hi Damon, After my last nights solo guitar looping I remembered your >question stated here and it occurred to me that >every time I make audio loops, they are always very different and never the same. >They allow me to be me, may it be my best, or my worst their always fun and >exciting knowing its for the moment. >I like that a lot and that feeds my soul. Keeps me coming back for more, >"never the same and always different" >Currently my set up includes a tube amp through an Allan Holdsworth Harness >which converts the tube speaker output to a line level >which then gets eq'ed then goes through many processors and in which >hopefully my DL4 will get traded in 4 the Repeater. >Cheers~ >Tim Sanz > > >>>> Damon@Electrixpro.com 11/09 3:47 PM >>> >Hey loopers, >If anyone wants to help us (Electrix) with future loopy developments and >maybe some marketing rigmarole send me an answer to the question: > >Why are you passionate about loop-based music production? > >Please send it to my personnel email so it doesn't irritate the rest of the >list. mailto:damon@electrixpro.com > >Respect, > >Damon Langlois >Creative Director >Electrix >Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 >http://www.electrixpro.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 13:21:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23610; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:19:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:19:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:17:42 -0800 From: "Tim Sanz" To: Subject: Harness 2 loop setup Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA23562 Resent-Message-ID: <8gPejB.A.VwF.mHYE6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what tube amp and what power amp at the end of your chain?...sounds like a great set-up for loopin to me...stanner(also where you giggin @?) ---------- one of the setups I use that I love is this: charvellle / warmouth / paf neck/ emg bridge/ compresser/ fz-2 /voodoo 1/ carvin nomad/ ah harness II / ashley mono para./ intellifex xl / dl 4 / volume/ board/ aux 1 send L > vortex 1 > aux 2 send R vortex 2 / vol./ back to board/ volocity 120 byamped for mids adcom 555II for highs / vmps 2a's / for home use and for live just the volocity and two 12'' cabs. At the moment not giging, last gig was with Miko Biffle doing the j.z. cobra. Other then that working on a cd with Kev Delgadio drums and Richard Rhodes guitar, I'm based in santa cruz ca. -ts From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 13:56:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24429; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:54:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:54:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A118DF2.18B5@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:09:39 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Harness 2 loop setup References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can attest,Tim Sanz sounds great!!!:) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 15:06:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25788; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:04:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:04:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c04e75$bc2bc860$d82e893e@gbcoopers.com> From: "Simon Kean" To: "Stephen P. Goodman" , References: <029001c04dcd$1fd71e40$9b00e4d4@z5k2e6> Subject: Re: SPG in the UK... Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:01:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com must be something in the air....another list member here recently relocated to London - this one from Melbourne, Australia though. Would also like to hear about what's happening in this city unknown to me..... Cheers Simon Kean ______________________________ Ulcerate - Dark Alternative project listen in at http://mp3.com/ulcerate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 11:50 PM Subject: SPG in the UK... > Well, I'm here in London, and finally settled in enough to be able to start > reposting to MP3 again... so, is there anyone else in the vicinity that'd > have me play with them? I'd enjoy doing washes for backgrounds at least, > and I don't have much hardware to truck around (thank God, there's no car > here but I wonder what it'll be like on the tubes with it, hm? Well, > perhaps a cab huh?) > > Ironic that, just as I was functionally ready to play publicly, along comes > my marriage and the move out of LA. (Sorry folks, she wins on this one > [rolling eyes]). > > I've read that there's a killer "jazz" scene here... but also don't know > where any of this stuff is. Does this encompass also experimental music? > After all, wasn't Miles thought by some as the same, and "not jazz"? > > Looking forward to hearing from yez. By the way I've also released some new > material on MP3, at the address below, and can use the money...! > > Stephen Goodman > http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! > http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! > 020 7602 2243 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 18:50:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30371; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:49:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:49:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater question 4 DAMON Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:47:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You will be able to set your own custom feedback level on Repeater. This means you would be able to operate Repeater like a mono or stereo delay line. However it would not accommodate different delay times for each track. The loop would have one loop time. Repeater can record two tracks at a time. The feedback is also global. Very cool ideas though. per-track feedback and per-track loop times. Recording to 4 tracks at a time. hmmmm. Maybe version 2? Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com -----Original Message----- From: italo de angelis [mailto:italoop@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 6:56 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater question 4 DAMON Hello Damon...waiting for the "thing" coming out, brains keep mumble around on its abilities. My question is...can Repeater work as 4 different delay lines at the same time, with DIFFERENT delay times and feedback set so that new layers will replace old ones, fading in the backgound?...kind of "Soundscaping" like Fripp does with those TC2290s. Or maybe just 2 indipendent mono lines? Or 2 stereo ones? ....thanx....italoop _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 18:55:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30648; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:54:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:54:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: RE: Repeater question 4 DAMON Message-ID: <0056910008620313000002L132*@MHS> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:55:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 11/14/00 17:53:17" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA30629 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Italo, Multiple delay lines with different delay times and feedbacks......hmmmm...... Isn't this what the Orville is for? Damon@Electrixpro.com on 11/14/2000 03:53:48 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP cc: Subject: RE: Repeater question 4 DAMON Classification: You will be able to set your own custom feedback level on Repeater. This means you would be able to operate Repeater like a mono or stereo delay line. However it would not accommodate different delay times for each track. The loop would have one loop time. Repeater can record two tracks at a time. The feedback is also global. Very cool ideas though. per-track feedback and per-track loop times. Recording to 4 tracks at a time. hmmmm. Maybe version 2? Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com -----Original Message----- From: italo de angelis [mailto:italoop@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 6:56 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater question 4 DAMON Hello Damon...waiting for the "thing" coming out, brains keep mumble around on its abilities. My question is...can Repeater work as 4 different delay lines at the same time, with DIFFERENT delay times and feedback set so that new layers will replace old ones, fading in the backgound?...kind of "Soundscaping" like Fripp does with those TC2290s. Or maybe just 2 indipendent mono lines? Or 2 stereo ones? ....thanx....italoop _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 19:07:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31201; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:05:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:05:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0056910008620313000002L132*@MHS> References: <0056910008620313000002L132*@MHS> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:02:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: Repeater question 4 DAMON Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Italo, > >Multiple delay lines with different delay times and feedbacks......hmmmm...... > >Isn't this what the Orville is for? here we go again...loop on. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 20:44:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01342; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:43:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:43:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c04ea5$69902a80$b9d68218@we.mediaone.net> From: "mamaSutra" To: Subject: looping in LA Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:43:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have been on this list for about a year and rarely write... but read daily. I just want those of you in the LA area to know that my band mamaSutra is playing the Martini Lounge in Hollywood tomorrow night (Wednesday the 15th) at 11:00pm. We play funk. I play my Sax through a GT-5... you'll be surprised how well it works. I do quite a bit of looping for stacked harmonies as well as auto wah and octive down, among others. I also play guitar through a VG-8 and a boomerang. Please check out our website if you'd like... www.mamasutra.com Thanks for all the great tips and insights, and I hope to see some of you tomorrow. Peace Russell p.s. If any of you come out, please say hello! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 14 22:48:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03659; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:47:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:47:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:48:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: looping in LA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I have been on this list for about a year and rarely write... but read >daily. > >I just want those of you in the LA area to know that my band mamaSutra is >playing the Martini Lounge in Hollywood tomorrow night (Wednesday the 15th) >at 11:00pm. We play funk. I play my Sax through a GT-5... you'll be >surprised how well it works. I do quite a bit of looping for stacked >harmonies as well as auto wah and octive down, among others. I also play >guitar through a VG-8 and a boomerang. >Please check out our website if you'd like... www.mamasutra.com > You and Travis Hartnett should get your bands together: MamaLectroChakraSutra! Imagine the possibilities! But seriously, looped and processed sax sounds very cool. Were I a few thousand miles closer, I'd be there. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 02:19:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06904; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 02:17:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 02:17:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <010301c04e2f$46ec61e0$4b2cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> References: <029001c04dcd$1fd71e40$9b00e4d4@z5k2e6> <010301c04e2f$46ec61e0$4b2cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 05:20:28 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: SPG in the UK... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >getting around in London without a car is OK so long as you don't try and >carry a big amp on the tube, or try to do it during rush-hour... :o) > oh yes, I made that brilliant experience when I visited Trace Elliot in June: I came from Brasil with 50kg and had to change tube twice at rush hour... ... and there was the culture shock of all the silently reading passengers and then the reward with the best beer in the world... Thanks to the list I had the contact to PhD Michael Pycraft Hughes, who came to help me explain them everything about looping. At the end of the day, Paul (who does the tube amps for Trace) picked a guitar and built a briliant smooth rocky loop - the first of his life was ripe for stage! ...and every evening two pints of two new kinds of interesting beer... On the way back there was the irish music festival in a park. The most musical people in europe, for my taste, and very well mixed with oriental inluences... ...and some more... not to become drunk or tired or with a headache, just for the taste and some certain lightness... Back in Brasil I did not like the beer any more :-) I always loved english people. I hope they invite me again I manage to have another some with Stephen and Steve in the LOOPUB -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 02:19:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06902; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 02:17:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 02:17:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00c001c04e2b$64aa0c40$4b2cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> References: <00c001c04e2b$64aa0c40$4b2cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 05:20:28 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: looping question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > If anyone wants to help us (Electrix) with future loopy developments and >> maybe some marketing rigmarole send me an answer to the question: >> >> Why are you passionate about loop-based music production? > >I think as an on-topic discussion, I'd like to see the answers on list... Very right. I didnt have the curage to say it, but I did not understand this private support for the "marketing guy" either... :-) What you all write him? Unfortunately, I said it in so many ways and places that I dont know what to say now... well, my back pain woke me up every morning. After the first year of SDE3000 looping to energize my therapy the back did not hurt any more. But its not really cured, working on LOOP soft is no good for it :-) I recently explained to an outsider: My instrument does not play by itself, but it continues by itself... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 03:50:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08480; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 03:45:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 03:45:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0156DF4E4B40D311A6C90090274FC865D49F9A@belial.mogul.no> From: Mark Francombe To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Repeater question 4 DAMON Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 09:44:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damon Langlois said >Very cool ideas though. per-track feedback and per-track loop times. >Recording to 4 tracks at a time. hmmmm. Maybe version 2? >Respect, >Damon Langlois which makes me think of a question, will the repeater "updateable" for new versions in a similar way to the EDP,IE: chuck in a new chip, or would it involve buying "repeaterII" or "Son of repeater" MArk Red From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 09:24:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12491; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 09:21:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 09:21:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.173.183] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater question 4 DAMON Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 15:18:50 CET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2000 14:18:50.0228 (UTC) FILETIME=[F99C4B40:01C04F0E] Resent-Message-ID: <4UWkKB.A.0AD.utpE6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes Kamlapati, sure you can do it with Orville...and much more...at the same time. Hope you have your pc working in tandem with your Eventide, my friend...check out Orville's new software V2.705, downloadable from www.eventide.com/oupdate...very COOL! If you've never updated your machine I'll be glad to help you! Back to your question: sometimes you're performing and a new idea pops up and you might be frustrated because you don't have a preset in your dsp based multi-processor...shit!!! That's one of the main good points of a dedicated unit, looper/delay like these, hoping they are reliable! This is the reason why I asked that question. Besides that imagine that you come to a point in a quad soundscaping sassion where you REALLY like what's comin' out of the speaker...so lock those 4 delays up, save the cake and start the icing...editing, reversing, transposing and what else you might like...could be great if Repeater can behave like a quad motherlooper from hell, can't it?......soon ItalOOOp >From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: RE: Repeater question 4 DAMON >Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:55:22 -0600 > >Italo, > >Multiple delay lines with different delay times and >feedbacks......hmmmm...... > > >Isn't this what the Orville is for? > > > > > > > >Damon@Electrixpro.com on 11/14/2000 03:53:48 PM >Please respond to Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP >cc: >Subject: RE: Repeater question 4 DAMON >Classification: > >You will be able to set your own custom feedback level on Repeater. This >means you would be able to operate Repeater like a mono or stereo delay >line. However it would not accommodate different delay times for each >track. >The loop would have one loop time. Repeater can record two tracks at a >time. >The feedback is also global. >Very cool ideas though. per-track feedback and per-track loop times. >Recording to 4 tracks at a time. hmmmm. Maybe version 2? > > >Respect, > >Damon Langlois >Creative Director >Electrix >Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 >http://www.electrixpro.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: italo de angelis [mailto:italoop@hotmail.com] >Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 6:56 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Repeater question 4 DAMON > > >Hello Damon...waiting for the "thing" coming out, brains keep mumble around >on its abilities. My question is...can Repeater work as 4 different delay >lines at the same time, with DIFFERENT delay times and feedback set so that >new layers will replace old ones, fading in the backgound?...kind of >"Soundscaping" like Fripp does with those TC2290s. >Or maybe just 2 indipendent mono lines? Or 2 stereo ones? > ....thanx....italoop >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 11:37:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14684; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:30:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:30:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <43.ca868aa.27441380@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:27:44 EST Subject: Re: SPG in the UK... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: A sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 11/15/00 5:17:01 AM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, matthias@grob.org writes: << LOOPUB >> matthias.....i may be wrong but a loo in england is a bathroom...........:)............remember, you just rent beer, you dont buy it..............just a reminder, please stop over at www.loopxchange.com and give a listen, more tunes are poppin up all the time..........kim, did you ever get your copy of BLUEZETTE?.........let me know, if it got lost ill send you another..........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 11:58:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15480; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:50:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:50:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: irwell.zetnet.co.uk: Host man-a171.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.171] claimed to be abc Message-ID: <02f201c04f24$4c655460$3e2cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <43.ca868aa.27441380@aol.com> Subject: Re: SPG in the UK... Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:51:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <5Xy8TC.A.AvD.M6rE6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > << LOOPUB >> > > matthias.....i may be wrong but a loo in england is a > bathroom...........:)............remember, you just rent beer, you dont buy > it.............. It appears that all the UK contingent chose to take Matthias' comment in the spirit in which it was intended, rather than comment on the possible lavatorial mis-reading! :o) Let us know next time you're over, Matthias... Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com ***solo gig in London on Nov 17th - see web-site for details*** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 12:06:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15983; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:56:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:56:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <38.de8e7af.274419fe@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:55:26 EST Subject: Re: SPG in the UK... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 11/15/00 2:49:43 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: << rather than comment on the possible lavatorial mis-reading! :o) >> ohhhhh.......pardon me........im just a cras american........but we may soon have a KING WILLIAM THE CLINTON and be just like you guys..........:)............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 12:47:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17313; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 12:40:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 12:40:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 09:37:07 -0800 From: "Tim Sanz" To: Subject: Re: Harness 2 loop Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA17230 Resent-Message-ID: <-ccr8.A.ZNE._nsE6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks mang! >>> kungha@earthlink.net 11/14 10:53 AM >>> I can attest,Tim Sanz sounds great!!!:) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 13:54:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18889; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 13:49:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 13:49:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: looping question Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 10:47:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I didn't mean to hoard the discussion for myself. I just thought it might have been irritating for everyone but myself. Obviously I was wrong. So...no need to email me personally on the "looping question". Fire off your responses to the group! Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 14:08:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19454; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:03:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:03:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: Subject: Quadraphonic Looper? Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 10:59:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damon- It just struck me that the Repeater may be able to be used as a quadraphonic looper. It looks possible, but please confirm: Can the main outs and FX sends on the Repeater be configured to each put out one of the four loops? Also, I understand that it is possible to record (or, I assume, overdub) two loops at a time. Can these be assigned to any two of the four, or only 1/2 or 3/4? How about all four at once? This thing just keeps better and better. Thanks in advance, -Hans Hans Lindauer Engineer, Music Man R&D Ernie Ball, Inc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 14:14:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19805; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:11:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:11:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater question 4 DAMON Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:09:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >which makes me think of a question, will the repeater "updateable" for new >versions in a similar way to the EDP,IE: chuck in a new chip, or would it >involve buying "repeaterII" or "Son of repeater" We designed Repeater to be very easy to upgrade. Insert a compact flash card (CFC) that has upgrade software on it and Repeater will automatically detect the upgrade software on the card and upgrade itself. You won't even have to touch a screw driver. If you have purchased a Sandisk Imagemate you will be able to see the CFC as a disk on your computer's desktop. You will then be able to download the upgrade from our site, drag and drop it on the CFC, stick it in Repeater and your upgraded! Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 14:16:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20112; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:13:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:13:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:11:34 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: RE: looping question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA19948 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I loop out of the desparate need for human conact! *-) So what if it's just me comin' back at me?!*#@... I still reap the rewards of musical interaction. 8-) Live with other players, looping provides instant segueway material and allows me to lean more in the electronic musician direction, manipulating and further processing my loops. Frequently this gets done fairly quietly while I'm actually playing a much louder live guitar part... and then appears as a "new" surprise when the group quiets down, or I turn the looper up. Quite fun! And finally... Our recently "uncloaked" list member Tim Sanz was ripping last night with my trio NGI! Great fun... Best -Miko >>> Damon@Electrixpro.com 11/15/00 10:47AM >>> I didn't mean to hoard the discussion for myself. I just thought it might have been irritating for everyone but myself. Obviously I was wrong. So...no need to email me personally on the "looping question". Fire off your responses to the group! Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 14:18:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20121; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:14:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:14:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Quadraphonic Looper? Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:12:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >It looks possible, but please confirm: Can the main outs and FX sends on >the Repeater be configured to each put out one of the four loops? You got it. >Also, I understand that it is possible to record (or, I assume, overdub) two >loops at a time. Can these be assigned to any two of the four, or only 1/2 >or 3/4? How about all four at once? Only 1/2, 3/4. Only two at one time. It's a bandwidth thing. Enough fun...back to work. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 14:45:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20746; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:39:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:39:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200011151938.LAA12772@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:38:11 -0700 Subject: Re: looping question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i loop because nobody knows what i'm doin(esecially me!) and to quote groucho "i would never join a group that would have me as a member"(except loopers delight)...stanner ---------- >From: "Mike Biffle" >To: , >Subject: RE: looping question >Date: Wed, Nov 15, 2000, 12:11 PM > >I loop out of the desparate need for human conact! *-) So what if it's just >me comin' back at me?!*#@... I still reap the rewards of musical interaction. 8-) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 17:08:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24680; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:05:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:05:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <040d01c04f4f$3d6edbe0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: gig Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:58:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gig announcement! This one features the telephone. All performers will have cell phones to communicate with each other and audience members. Care to call and contribute to a loop? Drop me a message and I'll give you the phone number. Participation limited to five callers. =============================== "It's for You" an evening of devious invention and surprise at the Wells Community Cultural Center 638 North Street, Lafayette, Indiana, USA 7:30 PM Sunday November 19, 2000 Doors open at 7:00 Audience members are encouraged to bring their cell phones and/or pagers. Admission $5 in advance and $6 at the door. Tickets will be available at Von's Records and the Wells Community Cultural Center starting November 1, 2000. =============================== See also www.transsonicmusic.com for more details. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 18:27:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26685; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 18:25:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 18:25:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013f01c04f5b$27ac5ec0$8683abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: "Loop" Subject: back to Kleins / body woods Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 00:09:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01C04F61.82C451E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C04F61.82C451E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Going back to Kleins (also if the concept can be viewed on all solid = bodies), does anyone know how the light weight of the body affects : = dynamic,harmonic response and content, and general balance of the sound = ? 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------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C04F61.82C451E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 19:08:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27856; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 19:04:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 19:04:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A1324DF.381B3B82@subnet.virtual-pc.com> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 00:05:51 +0000 From: david cooper orton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Frisell in the UK... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4FmsvC.A.EzG.DSyE6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com J. Miranda V. pointed out >Oh, you saw Frisell too... > >I know another Englishman who went to see Frisell. He was really impressed. >He's number 22 towards the middle of the page, here: >http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/ct_75/ct_75.html > I guess that would be me, and so in response to Steve Lawson's question: > | > | Did anyone else go and see him play in London on Sunday night? What an > | unbelieveable evening's music, and some serious DL4 useage too... > | Yes I did, and it was a great evening. As with his solo shows here back in March, (which BTW was the gig that inspired the track mentioned above) the DL4 certainly seems to be taking centre stage in Bill's set-up, although he's be no means abandoned the Digitech pedal either. He seemed to be using one of the real-time backwards settings on the DL4 at one point and reversing loops too, but I was near the back so I'm going from what I heard rather than what little I could see. Great mixture of material from fuzz thrash through to acoustic delicacy. Crazy bass and drums too from Tony Scherr and Kenny Wooleson. For further evidence of my long term interest in Mr Frisell's oeuvre, please see: http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Delta/2495/bill_frz.htm On Monday, I saw the Finnish accordion player Kimmo Pohjonen, who make quite extensive use of loops and delays and makes a pretty intriguing racket! Interesting use of lighting and visuals, too, though perhaps nothing ground breaking. Should be on Jools Holland's Later (UK BBC2) this weekend or next, apparently. And London - well I've just moved to Wales, that's all you need to know about living and working in London(!) No - its fine til you need to buy a house somewhere close to a good school and then you sunk (must be all this rain) Cheers David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 19:20:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28381; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 19:18:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 19:18:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 00:18:48 +0000 Subject: Re: back to Kleins / body woods From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <013f01c04f5b$27ac5ec0$8683abd4@a6d4z2> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes! Yes! This would be a great idea. I've always had a passion for very thin/light bodied solid guitars like Fender Mustangs and Gibson Firebirds and SGs. Sonically they sound very dynamic and "snappy" with a little trade-off in the harmonic density. They can sound "plain" to some people but not to me. Compared to say a Les Paul with a dense mahogany body and maple top the LP will have a smoother transient and richer harmonic content but will lose some of the "snap and snarl" factor. Heavy guitars sound more restrained and polite to my ears. I have found that a denser body tends to compress the difference in level between the strings making it more even string to string both level wise and timbrally. I have never noticed a big difference in sustain between heavy and light guitars. Interestingly I recently played a friend's beautiful sounding, original '57 Les Paul and compared to modern day LPs it was as light as a feather. I did some research and found out that Gibson used much less dense wood in the 50's than they do now, which I believe is a big part of the early LPs great sound. What body wood were you thinking of having? I'm waiting for my Klein to be built, I ordered solid Alder for the reasons I listed above, I wanted snappy attack and sustain for days, Lorenzo made the suggestion. Martin Shellard > From: "Luca" > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 00:09:39 +0100 > To: "Loop" > Subject: back to Kleins / body woods > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 18:23:51 -0500 > > Going back to Kleins (also if the concept can be viewed on all solid bodies), > does anyone know how the light weight of the body affects : dynamic,harmonic > response and content, and general balance of the sound ? > I am considering the idea to have a very light bodied (no chambers) Klein. > > Thanks > Luca. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 15 20:10:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29767; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 20:08:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 20:08:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 20:07:44 -0500 Subject: myers/arcane device site From: David Myers To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com New site up, for those interested. Loop stuff, sound samples, personal crapola.... pulsewidth.com --David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 02:15:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03519; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 02:14:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 02:14:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A136CCD.801DA548@sigecom.net> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 01:12:45 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Damon! How many rack spaces is the repeater? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How many rack spaces and will any midi pedal work with the product? Zing From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 02:35:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03847; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 02:34:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 02:34:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.1.4.2.20001116011530.01d9ed88@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.1 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 01:27:40 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Damon! How many rack spaces is the repeater? In-Reply-To: <3A136CCD.801DA548@sigecom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott Winzinger (11:12 PM 11.15.2000) wrote: >How many rack spaces and will any midi pedal work with the product? Repeater is two spaces tall and, from the website: Remote Control - Any TRS style 3-button foot controller (like a Digitech FS-300) gives foot control over play/stop, record and tap tempo. - Repeater can be operated from a MIDI foot controller for "Hands Free" use. - Full MIDI control also means you can sequence your loops to create complete song structures. - MIDI keyboard control over the pitch offers real-time manipulation over the sample. Experiment with melodic variations of the loop. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 05:14:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA05851; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 05:12:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 05:12:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200011160958.RAA23846@mail1.info.com.ph> From: "deusirae" To: Subject: Re: [ot?] making looping avi's or mov's Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:02:01 +0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Default Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-UhSAB.A.CbB.MK7E6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The simplest way to make a true loop out of live action footage is to buttsplice a piece of footage to a reversed copy. Glass-Falls-Smashes is buttspliced to sehsamS-sllaF-ssalG. This procedure makes sure that the frame 1 can cleanly/logically/visually lead into both frame 2 OR frame N. (Am I making sense?) Unlike audio, where crossfades between 2 audio sources can sound like a sound in itself, a video crossfade is perceived as dramatically different from live footage. If you're doing animation, you're freer,and your loops don't have to have the ABC...CBA mirror structure. Hope this helps- Tad ---------- > From: Os > To: Loopers-Delight > Subject: [ot?] making looping avi's or mov's > Date: Friday, November 10, 2000 10:08 PM > > Hi. > > I wondered if anyone has any tips for creation and playback of looping > video. > > I'm on PC for this project and have Adobe Premiere 5.1 at my disposal. > > > thanks, > os. > > > > os@scee.sony.co.uk > http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/ > http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/ > http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 08:01:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07622; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 07:59:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 07:59:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: irwell.zetnet.co.uk: Host man-a104.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.104] claimed to be abc Message-ID: <01ba01c04fcd$35084bc0$4f2cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <3A1324DF.381B3B82@subnet.virtual-pc.com> Subject: Re: Frisell in the UK... Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:57:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <2gedDD.A.x2B.wn9E6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Yes I did, and it was a great evening. As with his solo shows here back > in March, (which BTW was the gig that inspired the track mentioned > above) the DL4 certainly seems to be taking centre stage in Bill's > set-up, although he's be no means abandoned the Digitech pedal either. > He seemed to be using one of the real-time backwards settings on the DL4 > at one point and reversing loops too, but I was near the back so I'm > going from what I heard rather than what little I could see. Great > mixture of material from fuzz thrash through to acoustic delicacy. Crazy > bass and drums too from Tony Scherr and Kenny Wooleson. I think he had the Digitech and the DL4 in two separate effects loops - I can't be certain, but it looked like he was setting up loops, and then switching them in and out with a different pedal... The Digitech seemed to be many used for the real-time manipulation stuff, while the DL4 was the backwards madness box... :o) Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com ***solo gig in London on Nov 17th - see web-site for details*** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 12:12:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11641; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:09:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:09:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A13F7F3.C47729AA@sigecom.net> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:06:29 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Another Repeater question (Foot controllers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5-8VR.A.U1C.SQBF6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I heard about the Digitech 3 button foot controller but how can I get a foot controller that will allow me to also be able to have an undo button as well as a seperate loop 2 button. Is there such a foot controller as a say 5 button: Record, Stop, Undo, Loop A , Loop B, I'm a solo acoustic guitar player and would like these functions to be accessed by my feet. Zing From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 13:41:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13347; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:39:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:39:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200011161838.TAA75656@wet.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: =?windows-1250?Q?"Gregor =8Eavcer" ?= X-Mailer: post@.kiss v.1.2 by ++Tomaz Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:38:02 CET Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Radio Show: CT Bluezette Resent-Message-ID: <-vvwWD.A.PQD.NmCF6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, sorry, i couldn't mail the info earlier. IN about 30 min i'll start a 2 hour radio show presenting ct-bluezette and the whole loopers delight. i'll also play some laswell, eno and fripp. for those who are going to read this soon enough you can tune in to: www.radiostudent.si there's a link called Live Loop Da Bluez , Radiostudent, 16.11. 8pm gmt+1 greetings, gregor ____________________________________________________________________ krvarice at http://mail.kiss.uni-lj.si/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 14:28:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14395; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:26:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:26:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c05003$7f8dd760$9db06fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <3A1324DF.381B3B82@subnet.virtual-pc.com> Subject: Re: Looping in Wales Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 06:33:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You're welcome to see some live looping at Chapter Arts' Centre, Cardiff, Wales on the last Wednesday of November around 8.30 in the downstairs bar. LAST time ...well lets just say there were some unforeseen technical difficulties : } THIS time I'm recording it for posting as MP3. I think we should post up more recordings of live events just so we can get a better idea of what others are up to and what it actually sounds like. I just sit here reading and wondering, - you know? And what about a photo or two of the gig to complete the archive? Gareth > And London - well I've just moved to Wales, that's all you need to know > about living and working in London(!) No - its fine til you need to buy > a house somewhere close to a good school and then you sunk (must be all > this rain) > > Cheers > > David > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 14:52:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14808; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:48:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:48:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b001c05005$faf51c40$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Radio Show: CT Bluezette Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:46:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Listening to it now- LOL-sounds like the studio is in a steel ship hull- massive reverb on a foreign language, then "Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro" then more foreign language... :) (to me an exclusive English speaker) Thanks for the show- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Gregor Žavcer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thursday, November 16, 2000 10:41 AM Subject: Radio Show: CT Bluezette >Hi, > >sorry, i couldn't mail the info earlier. IN about 30 min i'll start a 2 hour radio show presenting ct-bluezette and the whole loopers delight. i'll also play some laswell, eno and fripp. > >for those who are going to read this soon enough you can tune in to: > >www.radiostudent.si > >there's a link called Live > >Loop Da Bluez , Radiostudent, 16.11. 8pm gmt+1 > >greetings, > >gregor >____________________________________________________________________ >krvarice at http://mail.kiss.uni-lj.si/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 16:42:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17071; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:40:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:40:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:34:05 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200011162134.PAA07563@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: myers/arcane device site Resent-Message-ID: <5vgpED.A.2JE.WPFF6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A must see, man your feedback workstation looks gorgeous!! you should print some more pics of it,great great great! this guy makes loopers proud :-) smaug. At 08:07 p.m. 15/11/00 -0500, you wrote: >New site up, for those interested. Loop stuff, sound samples, personal >crapola.... > >pulsewidth.com > >--David Myers > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 17:24:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17971; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:24:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:24:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:22:14 -0800 From: "Tim Sanz" To: Subject: Re: myers/arcane device site Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA17936 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree, wOw !!! David, the MP3's are excellent too! -ts >>> smaug@servidor.unam.mx 11/16 1:38 PM >>> A must see, man your feedback workstation looks gorgeous!! you should print some more pics of it,great great great! this guy makes loopers proud :-) smaug. At 08:07 p.m. 15/11/00 -0500, you wrote: >New site up, for those interested. Loop stuff, sound samples, personal >crapola.... > >pulsewidth.com > >--David Myers > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 17:25:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17964; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:23:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:23:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200011162134.PAA07563@servidor.unam.mx> References: <200011162134.PAA07563@servidor.unam.mx> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:19:18 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: myers/arcane device site Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hear, hear! agreed...nice site, well laid out, informative and inspiring. take a look! thanks david... rich > A must see, man your feedback workstation looks gorgeous!! you should >print some more pics of it,great great great! this guy makes loopers proud :-) > > >smaug. > > > >At 08:07 p.m. 15/11/00 -0500, you wrote: >>New site up, for those interested. Loop stuff, sound samples, personal >>crapola.... >> >>pulsewidth.com >> >>--David Myers >> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 17:38:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18258; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:37:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:37:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:52:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: myers/arcane device site Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice looking overhaul to the site! How about some more information about the current "processor" looping/feedback system? best- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 17:57:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18626; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:56:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:56:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.77.161.2] From: "space module" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: myers/arcane device site Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:55:15 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2000 22:55:15.0779 (UTC) FILETIME=[48D9E930:01C05020] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree with everyone else. Excellent work, I'm impressed. So David, how many pre-orders would it take to convince you to remaster "Engines of Myth" so you could burn CDRs of it? Engines of Myth is a classic Feedback/looping album from the 80's that should be in everyone's collection. A friend of mine loaned it to me about 10 years ago, I taped it and since have worn out the tape. Need a new copy, desperately. Thanks again for the great site and excellent music. Nick Wilson aka spacemodule New site up, for those interested. Loop stuff, sound samples, personal crapola.... pulsewidth.com --David Myers _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 18:06:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18894; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:05:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:05:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <055601c05020$d0dca2f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: Subject: Re: gig Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:59:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <2LxSeB.A.MmE.BgGF6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I haven't had too many takers on my offer so I'm reposting it with more explanation... At this gig I'll have a phone connected to the PA. (CAUTION: Fidelity is poor.) Between 9:00 and 9:30 PM EST (not EDT) we'll be doing an improv in which you can call us. We will answer the phone. After hearing what we're up to (hopefully the phone equip will cooperate enough), you can contribute something. I'll grab it in my looper and away we go. To prevent total chaos (that's for another gig), I'd like only a few contributors. Anybody who is interested, reply to me and I'll give you the phone number. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 18:56:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19701; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:45:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:45:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <055601c05020$d0dca2f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <055601c05020$d0dca2f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:41:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: gig Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't think i've got the time to participate, but if any folks want to push audio over the phone lines with a certain degree of fidelity, check out: http://www.negativland.com/teletext2.html those wacky boys from negativland have instructions here on how to push hi-fi mono signals over the phones using just a few pieces available at your local Radio Shack... rich >I haven't had too many takers on my offer so I'm reposting it with more >explanation... > >At this gig I'll have a phone connected to the PA. (CAUTION: Fidelity is >poor.) Between 9:00 and 9:30 PM EST (not EDT) we'll be doing an improv in >which you can call us. We will answer the phone. After hearing what we're >up to (hopefully the phone equip will cooperate enough), you can contribute >something. I'll grab it in my looper and away we go. > >To prevent total chaos (that's for another gig), I'd like only a few >contributors. > >Anybody who is interested, reply to me and I'll give you the phone number. > >Dennis Leas >------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 19:56:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21412; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:55:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:55:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A14821B.6C056A16@cloud9.net> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:55:55 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: vortex sounds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm interested in the Lexicon Vortex, but have never had an opportunity to hear one in action (and obviously, I can't go down to my local music store and try one out !) Are there audio clips online anywhere that will give me an idea of what the Vortex effects do? Any pointers much appreciated :) Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 19:59:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21540; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:58:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:58:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A1482CF.B9AC7C99@cloud9.net> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:58:55 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: another Repeater size question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK. Now that we know how high it is, I want to know how deep it is I'm trying to figure out whether the repeater will fit in my "shortie" SKB 3-space, or will I need to make other arrangements ? Thanks, Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 20:08:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22011; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:07:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:07:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:06:55 -0800 Subject: Looping shows in Seattle (Washington, USA) this weekend From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Electrochakra (loop-heavy instrumental trio) will be playing at the following times and locations: Friday, November 17th The Old Peculiar (2217 NW. Market) 9PM Saturday, November 18th Second Avenue Pizza 9PM Sunday, November 19th Hana's Lounge (1914 8th Avenue) 3PM Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Electrochakra -- MP3's and calendar of upcoming shows available at: www.mp3.com/electrochakra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 20:18:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22238; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:17:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:17:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A14821B.6C056A16@cloud9.net> References: <3A14821B.6C056A16@cloud9.net> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:13:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: vortex sounds Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All in jest...and there will definitely be some who disagree, but IMHO, it makes the same sound as beating your head against the wall. That's the only sound i heard...because i kept beating my head against the wall trying to make the damn thing work!!! Seriously, some folks say it does magical things, and it does sound like nothing else sometimes. I just found it incredibly frustrating trying to fine tune or create my own patches. You just keep turning the dials until ya hit something, and then go "....oh, ok, i guess that's how feedback #1 set at 32 on 'Cycloid' sounds...", or something like that. Good luck trying to 'recreate' a sound if you didn't save the patch. Have you found one and are deciding on whether to buy or not, or are you just curious and want to hear one? Where are you located? In Southern California, they are quite common...they pop up in the Recycler often and the used/trade/rent music stores or pawn shops often have one or two that they've been sitting on for a couple of years. If you're ok with the UI, you're set... rich >I'm interested in the Lexicon Vortex, but have never had an opportunity >to hear one in action (and obviously, I can't go down to my local music >store and try one out !) Are there audio clips online anywhere that >will give me an idea of what the Vortex effects do? Any pointers much >appreciated :) > >Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 20:19:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22337; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:18:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:18:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A1482CF.B9AC7C99@cloud9.net> References: <3A1482CF.B9AC7C99@cloud9.net> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:14:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: another Repeater size question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It looks like it's the same depth as their other units, which are very 'short'. Your SKB unit should work just fine. rich >OK. Now that we know how high it is, I want to know how deep it is > I'm trying to figure out whether the repeater will fit in my >"shortie" SKB 3-space, or will I need to make other arrangements ? > >Thanks, >Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 20:27:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22609; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:26:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:26:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A14891E.F6CEA7F0@turino.ch> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 02:25:49 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: jesus@turino.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,de-CH MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Lexicon Vortex Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id UAA22583 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just got a message from http://www.gotham.ch/ ... they sell their last new lexicon vortex (... stock cleaning). The price is about 480 swiss Francs (+/- $300). Don't mail back to my Adress, I've nothing to do with this company. Jesús From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 20:38:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22803; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:37:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:37:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Another Repeater question (Foot controllers) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:36:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com MIDI! MIDI! MIDI! Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Winzinger [mailto:zing@sigecom.net] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 7:06 AM To: Loopers Delight Subject: Another Repeater question (Foot controllers) I heard about the Digitech 3 button foot controller but how can I get a foot controller that will allow me to also be able to have an undo button as well as a seperate loop 2 button. Is there such a foot controller as a say 5 button: Record, Stop, Undo, Loop A , Loop B, I'm a solo acoustic guitar player and would like these functions to be accessed by my feet. Zing From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 20:38:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22808; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:38:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:38:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: another Repeater size question Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:36:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Repeater is enclosed in our custom rack-mount table-top design which is 3" deep from the back of the rack ears. Respect, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com -----Original Message----- From: Mountain Man [mailto:mtman@cloud9.net] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 4:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: another Repeater size question OK. Now that we know how high it is, I want to know how deep it is I'm trying to figure out whether the repeater will fit in my "shortie" SKB 3-space, or will I need to make other arrangements ? Thanks, Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 16 23:18:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25275; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 23:15:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 23:15:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <58.368a4c7.27460a8d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 23:14:05 EST Subject: Re: gig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_58.368a4c7.27460a8d_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: Z sub 171 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_58.368a4c7.27460a8d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Your post no say, so I ask: What night is this thing? I'm interested, if I can align my chakras with your schedule. k --part1_58.368a4c7.27460a8d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Your post no say, so I ask: What night is this thing?  I'm interested, if I
can align my chakras with your schedule.

k --part1_58.368a4c7.27460a8d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 17 05:56:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA29552; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 05:55:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 05:55:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A150EA1.51C45D71@cloud9.net> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 05:55:29 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: vortex Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmmm .... not very encouraging. Yes, I'm in the "found one (on the internet) and deciding to buy" category. And it's not possible to go try it out. Here on the East coast they seem to be much more of a rarity (along with used/trade/rent music stories and pawn shops - at least where I live. Damn!) Anyone else with an opinion? (and perhaps some sound samples? ) Thanks very much for your opinion, Rich :) Elby All in jest...and there will definitely be some who disagree, but IMHO, it makes the same sound as beating your head against the wall. That's the only sound i heard...because i kept beating my head against the wall trying to make the damn thing work!!! Seriously, some folks say it does magical things, and it does sound like nothing else sometimes. I just found it incredibly frustrating trying to fine tune or create my own patches. You just keep turning the dials until ya hit something, and then go "....oh, ok, i guess that's how feedback #1 set at 32 on 'Cycloid' sounds...", or something like that. Good luck trying to 'recreate' a sound if you didn't save the patch. Have you found one and are deciding on whether to buy or not, or are you just curious and want to hear one? Where are you located? In Southern California, they are quite common...they pop up in the Recycler often and the used/trade/rent music stores or pawn shops often have one or two that they've been sitting on for a couple of years. If you're ok with the UI, you're set... rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 17 06:55:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA30086; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 06:41:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 06:41:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0156DF4E4B40D311A6C90090274FC865D49F9C@belial.mogul.no> From: Mark Francombe To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: vortex Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:41:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To put in my 2 pence worth... The Vortex is frustrating in a couple of ways, as in the delay speed are ONLY tappable and not dial-in-able which can be annoying for some situations, you DO tend to sit WITH the instructions at all time cos each "patch" has a unique signal flow and some controls change their use dependant on the patch, BUT and its a HUGE BUTT... the possibilities for new and interesting sounds are phenomenal! Strangly the "preset" are all rather mild and its up to you to tweak them to really find mangled stuff, but its all there! The three "KEY" features that make it stand out from any other box I have are... 1)ENVELOPE FOLLOWER: every patch has a parameter that is dependent on the strength of the input signal (IE: a tremelo/pan that speeds up (or slows down) as the sound dies away, or... (this is great) a delay where the feedback level is dependant on signal level...dont gettit? OK you play... you hear NO delays, you stop playing...delays appear and continue looping(yes) till you play, therfore you can play an 8 note sequence and then on the loop play OVER the second half, erasing what was there, but keeping the second half!) 2)MORPH: Any patch can be made to morph into another 3)PEDAL CONTROL: Any parameter can be put under pedal control, including morph, so you can stop half way thru the morph!!! ...or simulate the "Fatboyslim" speeding up loop thing... just play intrument...stop playing... it loops... whammy the old pedal and... check it out now your a funk soul brothera funk soul brothera funk soul brothera funk soul brothera funk soul brothera funk soul brothersoul brothersoul brothersoul brotherbrotherbrotherbrotherbrobrobrobrobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb er...buy it! hope this helps Mark -----Original Message----- From: Mountain Man [mailto:mtman@cloud9.net] Sent: 17. november 2000 11:55 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: vortex Hmmmm .... not very encouraging. Yes, I'm in the "found one (on the internet) and deciding to buy" category. And it's not possible to go try it out. Here on the East coast they seem to be much more of a rarity (along with used/trade/rent music stories and pawn shops - at least where I live. Damn!) Anyone else with an opinion? (and perhaps some sound samples? ) Thanks very much for your opinion, Rich :) Elby All in jest...and there will definitely be some who disagree, but IMHO, it makes the same sound as beating your head against the wall. That's the only sound i heard...because i kept beating my head against the wall trying to make the damn thing work!!! Seriously, some folks say it does magical things, and it does sound like nothing else sometimes. I just found it incredibly frustrating trying to fine tune or create my own patches. You just keep turning the dials until ya hit something, and then go "....oh, ok, i guess that's how feedback #1 set at 32 on 'Cycloid' sounds...", or something like that. Good luck trying to 'recreate' a sound if you didn't save the patch. Have you found one and are deciding on whether to buy or not, or are you just curious and want to hear one? Where are you located? In Southern California, they are quite common...they pop up in the Recycler often and the used/trade/rent music stores or pawn shops often have one or two that they've been sitting on for a couple of years. If you're ok with the UI, you're set... rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 17 09:00:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31406; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 08:57:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 08:57:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A15277B.2D6E@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 08:41:51 -0400 From: T Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: vortex References: <3A150EA1.51C45D71@cloud9.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I aggree the vortex can sound cool but is too impractical in use, then again there are people who love it. if your real curious, make sure you get it cheap enough that you can resell it online quickly, sometimes you just have to get it and try it. I tried it and passed it on quickly stever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 17 10:15:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32652; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:11:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:11:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:09:55 EST Subject: Vortex To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <4f.39fe12b.2746a444@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Man, I have to say the Vortex is an anomalous beast. I found a couple of great sounds from the pre's but I have yet to hear a lot of differentiation from the presets (maybe it's broke!). I bought it on eBay and it mostly just sits in my rack. Unconnected. I have to try it out again one of these days. Any Vortex experts out there that can provide suggestions as to using the Vortex? Regards, Paul (the Butch Band) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 17 10:18:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32486; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:06:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:06:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <05ec01c050a7$1fd5ce00$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <58.368a4c7.27460a8d@aol.com> Subject: Re: gig Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:00:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_05E9_01C0507D.36DFBAE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_05E9_01C0507D.36DFBAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi k! Thanks for your interest! The performance date is Sunday, November 19. The "long distance improv" = is scheduled from 9:00 to 9:30 PM Eastern Standard Time. Currently, our = time agrees with the U.S. east coast and is one hour ahead of Chicago. Some more details can be found at: www.transsonicmusic.com . The magic telno is 765-423-2787. Hope to hear from you! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: KB305@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 11:14 PM Subject: Re: gig Your post no say, so I ask: What night is this thing? I'm interested, = if I=20 can align my chakras with your schedule.=20 k=20 ------=_NextPart_000_05E9_01C0507D.36DFBAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi k!
 
Thanks for your interest!
 
The performance date = is Sunday,=20 November 19.  The "long distance improv" is
scheduled from 9:00 = to 9:30=20 PM Eastern Standard Time.  Currently, our time
agrees with the = U.S. east=20 coast and is one hour ahead of Chicago.

Some more details can be = found=20 at: www.transsonicmusic.com=20 .

The magic telno is 765-423-2787.

Hope to hear from = you!
 
Dennis Leas
-------------------
dennis@mdbs.com
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 KB305@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, November 16, = 2000 11:14=20 PM
Subject: Re: gig

Your post no say,=20 so I ask: What night is this thing?  I'm interested, if I
can = align=20 my chakras with your schedule.

k = ------=_NextPart_000_05E9_01C0507D.36DFBAE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 17 10:26:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00564; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:21:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:21:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <061a01c050a9$06cd5930$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <58.368a4c7.27460a8d@aol.com> <05ec01c050a7$1fd5ce00$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Oops! Re: gig Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:14:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0617_01C0507F.1DB58D40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <_oTCfD.A.OI.OyUF6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0617_01C0507F.1DB58D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well...I just managed to post a message to the entire group when I meant = it only for KB305@aol.com . Sorry 'bout that! (More coffee is = indicated...) Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ------=_NextPart_000_0617_01C0507F.1DB58D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well...I just=20 managed to post a message to the entire group when I meant it only for = KB305@aol.com = .  Sorry=20 'bout that!  (More coffee is indicated...)
 
Dennis Leas
-------------------
dennis@mdbs.com
------=_NextPart_000_0617_01C0507F.1DB58D40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 17 10:36:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00942; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:34:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:34:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F919B04A@mail.davitt-hanser.com> From: Todd Quincy To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Vortex Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:37:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com howdy folks I use patch 10 (multi echo and some flange or something) on my vortex for vocals and guitars and that's about it. The conveince of Tap echo is great to match the echo to the tune. I often think of selling it but I bet I'd miss patch 10. The other patches are cool for final mixing but not worth the trouble of re-routing cables for the ear candy. Todd Quincy BC Rich, Kustom, PowerWerks, Davitt & Hanser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 17 10:53:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01257; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:47:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:47:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A15CFE6.4DB6A2A2@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 16:40:06 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Oops! Re: gig References: <58.368a4c7.27460a8d@aol.com> <05ec01c050a7$1fd5ce00$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <061a01c050a9$06cd5930$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Dennis Leas wrote: > > Well...I just managed to post a message to the entire group when I > meant it only for KB305@aol.com . Sorry 'bout that! (More coffee is > indicated...) > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com Yeah we're all going to call you to say hello too late to cancel WHU HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA Calude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 17 11:57:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02473; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:55:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:55:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 08:53:42 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: vortex Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA02439 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Elby, How much are they asking? I'd find one in the $180 - $225 range and just buy and try... you can ALWAYS resell it on Harmony Central for ~ the same amount. I've owned 3 of 'em and find that while there's a certain amount of distrust in your ability to get back to sounds you like, it's only your own fault if you don't store them. Bypassed they DO seem to change the frequency response of your amp, so if you don't put it on a mixer or loop selector, you may find it a problem. Despite my use of other really nice dsp's, I find myself missing the Vortex quite frequently. I'll probably have one around again soon... Best, -Miko >>> mtman@cloud9.net 11/17/00 02:54AM >>> Hmmmm .... not very encouraging. Yes, I'm in the "found one (on the internet) and deciding to buy" category. And it's not possible to go try it out. Here on the East coast they seem to be much more of a rarity (along with used/trade/rent music stories and pawn shops - at least where I live. Damn!) Anyone else with an opinion? (and perhaps some sound samples? ) Thanks very much for your opinion, Rich :) Elby All in jest...and there will definitely be some who disagree, but IMHO, it makes the same sound as beating your head against the wall. That's the only sound i heard...because i kept beating my head against the wall trying to make the damn thing work!!! Seriously, some folks say it does magical things, and it does sound like nothing else sometimes. I just found it incredibly frustrating trying to fine tune or create my own patches. You just keep turning the dials until ya hit something, and then go "....oh, ok, i guess that's how feedback #1 set at 32 on 'Cycloid' sounds...", or something like that. Good luck trying to 'recreate' a sound if you didn't save the patch. Have you found one and are deciding on whether to buy or not, or are you just curious and want to hear one? Where are you located? In Southern California, they are quite common...they pop up in the Recycler often and the used/trade/rent music stores or pawn shops often have one or two that they've been sitting on for a couple of years. If you're ok with the UI, you're set... rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 17 12:30:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03001; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:25:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:25:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A15D1C6.3A6FC026@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 16:48:06 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex References: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F919B04A@mail.davitt-hanser.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Todd Quincy wrote: > > howdy folks > > I use patch 10 (multi echo and some flange or something) on my vortex for > vocals and guitars and that's about it. The conveince of Tap echo is great > to match the echo to the tune. I often think of selling it but I bet I'd > miss patch 10. The other patches are cool for final mixing but not worth the > trouble of re-routing cables for the ear candy. > > > Todd Quincy > BC Rich, Kustom, PowerWerks, Davitt & Hanser and you can get the vortex delay time to be "tapped" by the beat sync out of an Echoplex here is the mod by Matthias Grob It works great Claude ------------------- >Matthias Grob wrote: > >> Make a cable with any diode in series and a 2 MF cap to ground: >> >> | | >> | /| > > - | / | + > > EDP ----------|/ |--------------------- VORTEX >> |\ | | >> | \ | | >> | \| | + >> | | ------- >> ----------- >> | > > | - > > | >> | / >> |/ >> / >> / >> >> The parts fit into an ordinary 1/4" connector. > >sorry Mathias > >I can solder but thats all... > >can you comment on the parts (cap type ; microF or miliF and where are >the + & - on the diagram no problem: MiliFarad is not used, and would be m, so MF is microFarad. To fit into the connector, it take its an electrolytic. Thats why (by some standard) one line is longer than the other - the negative pole, going to ground. Its voltage can be as low as 6,3V, but higher is ok, just makes the part bigger. There are also Tantal caps of this size. I dont use them because I made the experience that they die sooner, but I may be wrong, its an interesting option since you may not use that cable more than 5 years :-). The diode is a standard like 1N4148 and on one side of its glass housing there is a line which corresponds to the negative side, the line in its symbol, on the left in the drawing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 17 12:40:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03384; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:38:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:38:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A156CE0.723E3B20@pa.msu.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:37:36 -0500 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex References: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F919B04A@mail.davitt-hanser.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll just say that I enjoyed my first Vortex so much that I bought three more. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 17 12:41:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03350; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:36:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:36:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.d0d5aea.2746c644@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:35:00 EST Subject: Re: Vortex Sounds To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm interested in the Lexicon Vortex, but have never had an opportunity > Are there audio clips online anywhere hi Elby You're in luck. Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 17 12:50:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03794; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:49:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:49:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c050be$a24a4ac0$9d44230a@mlameyer01> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <0156DF4E4B40D311A6C90090274FC865D49F9C@belial.mogul.no> Subject: Re: vortex Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:48:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The biggest gripe I have with mine is that it's pretty noisy. Apart from that, it's lacking certain convenience features like midi patch changes and so on. But it does sound really freaky. If I can get up the gumption, I'll post. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Francombe" To: Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 6:41 AM Subject: RE: vortex > To put in my 2 pence worth... The Vortex is frustrating in a couple of ways, > as in the delay speed are ONLY tappable and not dial-in-able which can be > annoying for some situations, you DO tend to sit WITH the instructions at > all time cos each "patch" has a unique signal flow and some controls change > their use dependant on the patch, BUT and its a HUGE BUTT... the > possibilities for new and interesting sounds are phenomenal! Strangly the > "preset" are all rather mild and its up to you to tweak them to really find > mangled stuff, but its all there! The three "KEY" features that make it > stand out from any other box I have are... > 1)ENVELOPE FOLLOWER: every patch has a parameter that is dependent on the > strength of the input signal (IE: a tremelo/pan that speeds up (or slows > down) as the sound dies away, or... (this is great) a delay where the > feedback level is dependant on signal level...dont gettit? OK you play... > you hear NO delays, you stop playing...delays appear and continue > looping(yes) till you play, therfore you can play an 8 note sequence and > then on the loop play OVER the second half, erasing what was there, but > keeping the second half!) > 2)MORPH: Any patch can be made to morph into another > 3)PEDAL CONTROL: Any parameter can be put under pedal control, including > morph, so you can stop half way thru the morph!!! ...or simulate the > "Fatboyslim" speeding up loop thing... just play intrument...stop playing... > it loops... whammy the old pedal and... > check it out now your a funk soul brothera funk soul brothera funk soul > brothera funk soul brothera funk soul brothera funk soul brothersoul > brothersoul brothersoul > brotherbrotherbrotherbrotherbrobrobrobrobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb > bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb > bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb > > er...buy it! > > hope this helps > > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mountain Man [mailto:mtman@cloud9.net] > Sent: 17. november 2000 11:55 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: vortex > > > Hmmmm .... not very encouraging. Yes, I'm in the "found one (on the > internet) and deciding to buy" category. And it's not possible to go > try it out. Here on the East coast they seem to be much more of a > rarity (along with used/trade/rent music stories and pawn shops - at > least where I live. Damn!) Anyone else with an opinion? (and perhaps > some sound samples? ) > > Thanks very much for your opinion, Rich :) > > Elby > > > All in jest...and there will definitely be some who > disagree, but > IMHO, it makes the same sound as beating your head > against the wall. > That's the only sound i heard...because i kept beating > my head > against the wall trying to make the damn thing work!!! > > Seriously, some folks say it does magical things, and > it does sound > like nothing else sometimes. I just found it > incredibly frustrating > trying to fine tune or create my own patches. You just > keep turning > the dials until ya hit something, and then go "....oh, > ok, i guess > that's how feedback #1 set at 32 on 'Cycloid' > sounds...", or > something like that. Good luck trying to 'recreate' a > sound if you > didn't save the patch. > > Have you found one and are deciding on whether to buy > or not, or are > you just curious and want to hear one? Where are you > located? In > Southern California, they are quite common...they pop > up in the > Recycler often and the used/trade/rent music stores or > pawn shops > often have one or two that they've been sitting on for > a couple of > years. > > If you're ok with the UI, you're set... > > rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 17 13:06:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04447; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 13:05:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 13:05:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b701c050c0$b879b220$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Vortex Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:00:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <2N6bk.A.aDB.cMXF6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Holy cow! Cliff -----Original Message----- From: John McIntyre To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Friday, November 17, 2000 9:40 AM Subject: Re: Vortex >I'll just say that I enjoyed my first Vortex so much that I bought three more. > >John McIntyre >Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept >Michigan State University >mcintyre@pa.msu.edu > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 17 13:06:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04445; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 13:05:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 13:05:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b601c050c0$b7f4f1c0$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: vortex Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:00:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <9mkcoC.A.DDB.cMXF6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My biggest gripe is the coloration of sound when it is in bypass- but I love mine- I personally think using an expression pedal with it is a requirerment- I have 2 patches that I "play" and create great pitch swoops like pre-bends on the guitar- It has some great possibilities- but if you are not willing to fine tune the patches you will find many are similar- but dig in a bit and it can reward you- not to mention that if you dont like it it wont be terribly difficult to re-sell- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Michael LaMeyer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Friday, November 17, 2000 9:52 AM Subject: Re: vortex >The biggest gripe I have with mine is that it's pretty noisy. Apart from >that, it's lacking certain convenience features like midi patch changes and >so on. But it does sound really freaky. If I can get up the gumption, I'll >post. > >Mike > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Francombe" >To: >Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 6:41 AM >Subject: RE: vortex > > >> To put in my 2 pence worth... The Vortex is frustrating in a couple of >ways, >> as in the delay speed are ONLY tappable and not dial-in-able which can be >> annoying for some situations, you DO tend to sit WITH the instructions at >> all time cos each "patch" has a unique signal flow and some controls >change >> their use dependant on the patch, BUT and its a HUGE BUTT... the >> possibilities for new and interesting sounds are phenomenal! Strangly the >> "preset" are all rather mild and its up to you to tweak them to really >find >> mangled stuff, but its all there! The three "KEY" features that make it >> stand out from any other box I have are... >> 1)ENVELOPE FOLLOWER: every patch has a parameter that is dependent on the >> strength of the input signal (IE: a tremelo/pan that speeds up (or slows >> down) as the sound dies away, or... (this is great) a delay where the >> feedback level is dependant on signal level...dont gettit? OK you play... >> you hear NO delays, you stop playing...delays appear and continue >> looping(yes) till you play, therfore you can play an 8 note sequence and >> then on the loop play OVER the second half, erasing what was there, but >> keeping the second half!) >> 2)MORPH: Any patch can be made to morph into another >> 3)PEDAL CONTROL: Any parameter can be put under pedal control, including >> morph, so you can stop half way thru the morph!!! ...or simulate the >> "Fatboyslim" speeding up loop thing... just play intrument...stop >playing... >> it loops... whammy the old pedal and... >> check it out now your a funk soul brothera funk soul brothera funk soul >> brothera funk soul brothera funk soul brothera funk soul brothersoul >> brothersoul brothersoul >> >brotherbrotherbrotherbrotherbrobrobrobrobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb b >> >bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb b >> bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb >> >> er...buy it! >> >> hope this helps >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mountain Man [mailto:mtman@cloud9.net] >> Sent: 17. november 2000 11:55 >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: vortex >> >> >> Hmmmm .... not very encouraging. Yes, I'm in the "found one (on the >> internet) and deciding to buy" category. And it's not possible to go >> try it out. Here on the East coast they seem to be much more of a >> rarity (along with used/trade/rent music stories and pawn shops - at >> least where I live. Damn!) Anyone else with an opinion? (and perhaps >> some sound samples? ) >> >> Thanks very much for your opinion, Rich :) >> >> Elby >> >> >> All in jest...and there will definitely be some who >> disagree, but >> IMHO, it makes the same sound as beating your head >> against the wall. >> That's the only sound i heard...because i kept beating >> my head >> against the wall trying to make the damn thing work!!! >> >> Seriously, some folks say it does magical things, and >> it does sound >> like nothing else sometimes. I just found it >> incredibly frustrating >> trying to fine tune or create my own patches. You just >> keep turning >> the dials until ya hit something, and then go "....oh, >> ok, i guess >> that's how feedback #1 set at 32 on 'Cycloid' >> sounds...", or >> something like that. Good luck trying to 'recreate' a >> sound if you >> didn't save the patch. >> >> Have you found one and are deciding on whether to buy >> or not, or are >> you just curious and want to hear one? Where are you >> located? In >> Southern California, they are quite common...they pop >> up in the >> Recycler often and the used/trade/rent music stores or >> pawn shops >> often have one or two that they've been sitting on for >> a couple of >> years. >> >> If you're ok with the UI, you're set... >> >> rich >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 17 13:14:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04973; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 13:12:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 13:12:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011801c050c1$d38fc9e0$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Vortex Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:11:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would encourage all Vortex users to visit Andy Butler's Vortex web pages and submit 1 or more of their favorite patches or morph- http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 17 13:26:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05448; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 13:23:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 13:23:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c050c3$ca076160$0300a8c0@foothilltransit.org> From: "phalen orion" To: Subject: Vortex Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:25:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whoever said that they've seen a lot of Vortex' used/at discount in the LA area, can you email me off-list with some places I could check? Thanks! phalen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 17 14:24:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06575; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 14:21:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 14:21:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:19:32 -0800 From: "Tim Sanz" To: Subject: Re: 2 vortex's Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA06545 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well I must add--->:@) I was really blown away by them when I heard Miko Biffle use them at my studio where we recorded together and he seem to be able to have his vortex obey his every wicked command, it just about make you sea sick especially when I had my headphones on. Needless to say I went on line and bought two of them, one for 175.00 and the other 200.00 I tried several different paths but found you can not put em in line with everything because the bypass mode totally screws with the phase, and you also have to set the input very carefully cause they clip way too easy. But once you have it set there is really nothen like em that I know of. I put them on an aux send to a volume pedal and when you want your vortex you kick em in. A pre send switching in, is best so you get the full vortex sound. Also you definitely have to use an expression pedal to get the most out of em as well as to program faster. With two of them together I like to set the first one on 5 and the second one on 14 and morph around with 5 into 14. Also try 15 with heavy faux ring mod into 14 too! Cheer's --Ts From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 17 14:45:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07042; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 14:43:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 14:43:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001117194240.10003.qmail@web205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:42:40 -0800 (PST) From: petr dolak Subject: el guit gig bag To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Electric guitar gig bag available, just for postage. It's new, with a Fernandes logo on it. Email me: pepetr@yahoo.com ===== Nasledujici oznameni je bohuzel nevyhnutelne. 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Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 17 15:08:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07203; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 14:46:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 14:46:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009601c050ce$fd846050$9d44230a@mlameyer01> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: 2 vortex's Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 14:45:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think of mine almost like a super pedal than a rack. I agree that the expression pedal is a must or you're not really acratching the surface. How is everyone else's noise levels through these? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Sanz" To: Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 2:19 PM Subject: Re: 2 vortex's > > Well I must add--->:@) I was really blown away by them when I heard Miko Biffle use them at my studio where we recorded together and he seem to be able to have his vortex obey his every wicked command, it just about make you sea sick especially when I had my headphones on. > Needless to say I went on line and bought two of them, one for 175.00 and the other 200.00 > I tried several different paths but found you can not put em in line with everything because the bypass mode totally screws with the phase, and you also have to set the input very carefully cause they clip way too easy. > But once you have it set there is really nothen like em that I know of. > I put them on an aux send to a volume pedal and when you want your vortex you kick em in. A pre send switching in, is best so you get the full vortex sound. > Also you definitely have to use an expression pedal to get the most out of em as well as to program faster. > With two of them together I like to set the first one on 5 and the second one on 14 and morph around with 5 into 14. > Also try 15 with heavy faux ring mod into 14 too! > > Cheer's > --Ts > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 17 15:15:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07952; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:14:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:14:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A159154.A6D42DA9@soundsliketree.com> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:13:09 -0800 From: eric oberthaler Organization: http://www.soundsliketree.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MIDI looping software for the Mac? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, Can anyone recommend to me the best, most full-featured application for looping in MIDI on the Mac? Thanks! eo -- eric oberthaler http://www.soundsliketree.com (music within) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 17 16:38:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09322; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 16:33:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 16:33:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 16:31:11 EST Subject: VORTEX To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <40.39152ff.2746fd9f@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3GGtAC.A.KRC.UPaF6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What's a good expression pedal to use with the Vortex? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 17 17:16:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10111; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:15:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:15:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <022c01c050e3$a176f560$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: VORTEX Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 14:13:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Go to Andy's page- there is good info there- c -----Original Message----- From: PaulPokr@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Friday, November 17, 2000 1:34 PM Subject: VORTEX >What's a good expression pedal to use with the Vortex? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 17 17:24:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10283; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:22:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:22:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 14:21:06 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Subject: Re: VORTEX and Expression Pedals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA10261 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Roland / Boss EV-5 seems to be the most used. Never had problems with mine. The cheaper Proel midi volume pedal available in the AMS catalog also seems to substitute well where the EV-5 works in my system. Don't know about others. Best, -Miko >>> bienappraisers@mindspring.com 11/17/00 02:14PM >>> Go to Andy's page- there is good info there- c -----Original Message----- From: PaulPokr@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Friday, November 17, 2000 1:34 PM Subject: VORTEX >What's a good expression pedal to use with the Vortex? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 17 17:35:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10761; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:32:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:32:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8303C2335@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: VORTEX and Expression Pedals Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 16:02:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com how about the passive ernie ball volume pedal? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 17 22:22:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14352; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 22:20:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 22:20:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <2f.d0ba874.27474f34@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 22:19:16 EST Subject: Re: 2 vortex's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The expression pedal really makes the box tweak and squeal in a most satisfying fashion. b helm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 18 10:38:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21685; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 10:32:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 10:32:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 10:32:54 -0500 Subject: Re: myers/arcane device site From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks to all who responded with such enthusiasm to my pulsewidth.com site. To answer a few of questions which came up: 1. Presently I use a feedback setup consisting of four Korg Kaoss pads and the expected feedback matrix mixer, with a little help from an ER-1 rhythm synthesizer. This is rare in that I've hardly ever used 'foreign' input. A little crazy trying to 'play' four pads at once, but with all the possible variation I'm getting wild stuff fer sure. I don't go into this on the site, but may in the future. Gotta keep *something* for the imagination.... 2. I do have a schematic of a feedback mixer (jpeg) which I can email on request. 3. I migt do a CDR of 'Engines of Myth' if a lot of people asked for it, or I found myself with a lot of time, or something. My original tapes are Beta HiFi! Anyone know a repair place in NYC that does Beta? My player sits in the corner with an old Monty Python tape jammed in it.... DLM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 18 10:59:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22084; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 10:54:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 10:54:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 09:49:13 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200011181549.JAA10608@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: myers/arcane device site Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Put me in for a cdr!!!! smaug At 10:32 a.m. 18/11/00 -0500, you wrote: >Thanks to all who responded with such enthusiasm to my pulsewidth.com site. >To answer a few of questions which came up: > >1. Presently I use a feedback setup consisting of four Korg Kaoss pads and >the expected feedback matrix mixer, with a little help from an ER-1 rhythm >synthesizer. This is rare in that I've hardly ever used 'foreign' input. A >little crazy trying to 'play' four pads at once, but with all the possible >variation I'm getting wild stuff fer sure. I don't go into this on the >site, but may in the future. Gotta keep *something* for the imagination.... > >2. I do have a schematic of a feedback mixer (jpeg) which I can email on >request. > >3. I migt do a CDR of 'Engines of Myth' if a lot of people asked for it, or >I found myself with a lot of time, or something. My original tapes are Beta >HiFi! Anyone know a repair place in NYC that does Beta? My player sits in >the corner with an old Monty Python tape jammed in it.... > >DLM > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 18 17:58:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27837; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:54:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:54:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:53:20 -0500 Subject: Re: myers/arcane device site From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200011181549.JAA10608@servidor.unam.mx> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Vote tallied!!!! > > Put me in for a cdr!!!! > > smaug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 19 03:32:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02060; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 03:23:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 03:23:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A178DCA.B204EB84@fingermoy.com> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 00:22:35 -0800 From: Jono Reply-To: bagelboyj@geocities.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: loop pedal and acustic guitar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, About a year ago I saw a guitarist do some excelent live looping named Keller Williams (sometimes plays with The String Cheese Incident) and became quite interested in such techniques. I have not found what he was using. I am a solo acustic guitarist and I am looking to do some live looping and layering myself. I currently have a Boss DD5 digital delay pedal which is an excelent delay and reverb type unit but it can only record a 2 second loop and cannot layer at all. The one nice thing about its record feature is its hold down record button. Instead of clicking on/off switches several times, you just hold down the pedal for the period of time you are recording. When you release its stops recording and imeadiately begins to play back. Today I tried the new DL4 delay unit from Line 6. It is decent but the only part I want is the loop sampler part. I dont like the other effects too much and I dont want to pay for them. Does anyone know of a loop sampler pedal that I can use live and records at least 10 seconds. I have read some reviews of the Akai E1 Headrush and I am considering trying it out, but I dont know how its looping compares to the DL4. I am also trying to get a good internal mic setup for my acustic. I am not interested in pickups, installed mics, or anything I have to take my strings on and off for. I recall trying a lav mic a while back and it sounded great. I wish I remembered who made it. It reproduced the guitar's sound well and dropped in and out of the sound hole easily. Has anyone tried this, or know anything about such micing techniques? Any other ideas? Thanks. -Jono -- "When you are walking down the street you gotta send those good vibes out." - Illyria From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 19 10:15:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05755; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 10:14:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 10:14:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RobbCappelletto@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 10:12:45 EST Subject: Re: loop pedal and acustic guitar To: bagelboyj@geocities.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the headrush has something like a 28.5 second looper, but it can only layer 11 second loops From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 19 11:50:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07020; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:49:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:49:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014e01c05248$954abcc0$a683abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: "Loop" Subject: boomerang update Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:44:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_014A_01C05250.56D784C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <6jvD-.A.ktB.6RAG6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_014A_01C05250.56D784C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I don't remember address for contacting guys for boomerang update, = anyone with a stronger memory ? ------=_NextPart_000_014A_01C05250.56D784C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_014A_01C05250.56D784C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 19 12:20:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07655; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:18:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:18:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:17:24 EST Subject: Re: boomerang update To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 11/19/00 2:49:25 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, lucafeed@tin.it writes: << contacting guys for boomerang update >> mnelson@dmans.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 19 12:53:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08200; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:46:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:46:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A17F5C2.E1AEC2EC@sigecom.net> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:46:11 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: loop pedal and acustic guitar References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1bdrhD.A.1_B.WHBG6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The best I have found for the money and quality is the Line 6. Zing RobbCappelletto@aol.com wrote: > the headrush has something like a 28.5 second looper, but it can only layer > 11 second loops From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 19 13:51:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09743; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:49:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:49:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001119184835.28267.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 10:48:35 -0800 (PST) From: alias crossings Subject: Re: NYC show (Mon) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interactive arts peformance series. Monday November 20 ,2000 8PM@NYU Frederick Loewe Theater Miller Puckette/Kathy Supove/Lisa Cella http://www.nyu.edu/education/music/mtech/web_site/home.html (click on Events) Free Admission __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 19 15:31:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11442; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:28:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:28:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:26:49 EST Subject: vortex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: <-wb1l.A.hyC.veDG6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com re: possible VORTEX problems 1) noise? it's a very quiet pedal, maybe the problem is that it's hard to turn down the output volume (you'd have to change it for each patch) , especially with the presets. Maybe the case is that if you just plug & go you have to turn the I/P volume down to stop the amp overloading (= extra noise). 2) Phase problems. I can't comment from personal experience (yet) but apparently many mixers have a phase inversion on the FX return, which may or may not be the culprit. Best to use Vortex as 'in-line' if this is a problem. 3) Boring presets? It's more that many of them are a bit subtle, so yes they do mostly come across as being similar. They don't begin to show what the box is capable of . Actually I don't often find presets acceptable anyway. 4) Hard Manual? well let's call it challenging. Vortex 'Good Points' Excellent sound, it even distorts nice when you overload the I/P. Very tweakable. Extreme modulation. Infinite repeats without degradation (on some settings). The Audio morphing facility lets you set up any 2 sounds and switch or pedal seamlessly between them. This can either give you the ultimate in pedal control (eg modulation depth & frequency & resonance all at the same time) or allow access to the bizarreness half way between 2 totally different patches. With a bit of effort some the possibilities are pretty astounding, I remember when talk of the Vortex first started on LD. People were pretty knocked out by it's ability to create sustained textures Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 19 19:29:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26180; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:23:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:23:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c05287$51835d00$87ae5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #190 Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:17:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #190 November 9, 2000. On this show, the month-long focus on Groove compilation CDs continued. The feature CD at Midnight was "The Truth Is Twisted" the second of four CDs of music inspired by the X Files television series and released when Groove was called Cue. The music of Music For Isolation Tanks (a.k.a. David Talento) was played to promote his show in our own back yard on Friday, November 10 at the Borders Bookstore in Whitehall. Groove Unlimited http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2000/focus00.html#nov Music For Isolation Tanks http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/ Borders Bookstore http://www.bordersstores.com/stores/345/ ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm VA [Thom Brennan] The Path Not Taken Collected Works 1995 (Amplexus) Laocoon Molecular Streams Immersion (Parnassus Nump) Robert Rich & Steve Roach Blood Music Soma (Hearts of Space) Music For Isolation Tanks The Light of Darkness Electronic Music Project (none) Jean Michel Jarre Last Rendezvous Rendezvous (Dreyfus) VA [Vidna Obmana] The Transcending Quest Collected Works 1995 (Amplexus) 12:00 am VA [Kees Aerts & The Sensation of the Vorte The Truth Is Twisted (Groove) Ron Boots] VA [Jean Paul van Engelen We've X-ed the Line The Truth Is Twisted (Groove) & Robert Marselje] VA [Kees Aerts & Asylum The Truth Is Twisted (Groove) Harold van der Heijden] VA [Eric van der Heijden Cryogenic Hypersleep The Truth Is Twisted (Groove) & Robert Marselje] VA [Ron Boots & The Tears from the Insane The Truth Is Twisted (Groove) Harold Teunissen] Bounce Like Bullets Off My Brain VA [Volker Rapp & The Last Busstop The Truth Is Twisted (Groove) Ron Boots] VA [Kees Aerts & Alien Artifacts of Ice The Truth Is Twisted (Groove) Alpha Wave Movement] VA [Rene De Vreng & Current The Truth Is Twisted (Groove) Johannes Munz] 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) Thanks to Ira Faro for filling in for me and hosting this show in my time of need. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 19 19:34:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26501; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:33:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:33:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A187125.97E94BAB@soundsliketree.com> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:32:44 -0800 From: eric oberthaler Organization: http://www.soundsliketree.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: MIDI looping for the Mac? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [Sorry for posting twice - I just discovered that when you want to start a new tread you can't just reply to a random message and change the subject header. Here it is as a new thread (I hope!).] Hello, Can anyone recommend to me the best, most full-featured application for looping in MIDI on the Mac? Thanks! eo -- eric oberthaler http://www.soundsliketree.com (music within) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 19 19:40:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26856; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:39:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:39:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008301c05289$a65417a0$87ae5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #191 Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:34:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #191 November 16, 2000. On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Groove compilation CDs. The feature CD at Midnight was "Truth or Dare" the third of four CDs of music inspired by the X Files television series and released when Groove was called Cue. This show was dedicated to the loving memory of Elaine Fox. Groove Unlimited http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2000/focus00.html#nov ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Tranzit E-Drive Tranzversal (Groove) Robert Rich Dervish Dreamtime Sunyata (Hypnos) VA [Ashok] Again to Ricochet Sequences No. 24 (none) Vir Unis Particle Path Aeonian Glow (Green House) James Johnson Riding the Fog Line Linger (Space for Music) 12:00 am VA [Ron Boots & The Fugitive Truth or Dare (Groove) John Dyson] VA [Kees Aerts & Crossing the Road Truth or Dare (Groove) Air Sculpture] VA [Robert Marselje & The Borders of Believe Truth or Dare (Groove) Jean Paul van Engelen] VA [Syndromeda & The Secret of the Tribe Truth or Dare (Groove) Harold van der Heijden] VA [Johannes Munz & Limits of Investigation Truth or Dare (Groove) Rene De Vreng] VA [James J. Clent & Surfacing from Beyond Truth or Dare (Groove) Kees Aerts] VA [Ron Boots, Harold Aliennation Truth or Dare (Groove) van der Heijden, Mario Schonwalder & Detlef Keller] 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on compilation discs from the Dutch label Groove Unlimited. Next week's feature CD at midnight will be "Four the Truth." Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 19 20:41:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28052; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:38:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:38:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:38:56 +0000 Subject: Re: loop pedal and acustic guitar (mini DL-4 review) From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3A17F5C2.E1AEC2EC@sigecom.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just got a line 6 DL-4 and for the money it's great, way, way better thean the Headrush (which I also have). The Akai does 22 secs (I think) but without o/dubbing. If you want to o/dub you're limited to 11 secs. The UI is clunky. The DL-4 does 14 secs full bandwidth but if you record at 1/2 speed you get 28 secs and you can still overdub. I also like the fact that you can record at 1/2 speed and backwards and combine forwards and backwards stuff. You also have a 800ms delay in front of the loop so you can delay stuff on the way in which when you reverse sounds great. You can attach a pedal to control the delay (not loop) functions for extra sonic mangling into the loop. For the money this is a great deal for the looper alone and the delays are cool too. Martin Shellard > From: Scott Winzinger > The best I have found for the money and quality is the Line 6. > > > Zing > > > > RobbCappelletto@aol.com wrote: > >> the headrush has something like a 28.5 second looper, but it can only layer >> 11 second loops > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 15:24:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11376; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:19:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:19:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20001120141601.007fe100@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:16:01 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Ebtech Hum Eliminator - Crispy Or Extra Crispy? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Been doing a bit of looping live - Oberheim EDP, Vortex, etc. Occasionally run into electrical problems at some venues. Not an electronics expert. Been thinking about buying the Ebtech rack mount Hum Eliminator. I understand it eliminates the Ground, and as a result, Ground Loops. Is this dangerous? Could my equipment, and perhaps me, turn into an impromptu light show? thanks, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 15:29:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11594; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:26:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:26:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <086a01c0532f$28229fe0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20001120141601.007fe100@mail.airmail.net> Subject: Re: Ebtech Hum Eliminator - Crispy Or Extra Crispy? Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:19:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Michael, > Occasionally run into electrical problems at some venues. What kind of problems? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 16:09:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12617; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:07:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:07:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:21:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: ER-1 into Feedback Matrix Cc: dmgraph@earthlink.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Myers wrote: >1. Presently I use a feedback setup consisting of four Korg Kaoss pads and >the expected feedback matrix mixer, with a little help from an ER-1 rhythm >synthesizer. This is rare in that I've hardly ever used 'foreign' input. A >little crazy trying to 'play' four pads at once, but with all the possible >variation I'm getting wild stuff fer sure. I don't go into this on the >site, but may in the future. Gotta keep *something* for the imagination.... David- You've probably already thought of this (being the "Feedback King"), but it might work very well to feed the ER-1's two "audio in" patterns with sends from the feedback matrix, then fed back into the matrix on their own channels. You'd get all the rythmmic possibilities, and have the delay and ring mod effects as a bonus... Best- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 16:15:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12789; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:12:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:12:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A1992F4.3F7AAE48@magi.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:09:09 -0500 From: Dave X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: echoplex Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com greetings: I just ordered myself an echoplex, does anyone know when Gibson will have these things available to ship? so far I've heard it could be oh, anywhere from 60 days to a year. thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 16:26:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13158; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:25:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:25:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:24:59 -0500 Subject: Re: ER-1 into Feedback Matrix From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Mark. The "King" has indeed thought of this, but has not yet tried it. Such a wealth of shit is happening already that it's a handful. Rather minor use of the ER-1 to date. Have you tried those inputs? DLM > David Myers wrote: > >> 1. Presently I use a feedback setup consisting of four Korg Kaoss pads and >> the expected feedback matrix mixer, with a little help from an ER-1 rhythm >> synthesizer. This is rare in that I've hardly ever used 'foreign' input. A >> little crazy trying to 'play' four pads at once, but with all the possible >> variation I'm getting wild stuff fer sure. I don't go into this on the >> site, but may in the future. Gotta keep *something* for the imagination.... > > David- > > You've probably already thought of this (being the "Feedback King"), but it > might work very well to feed the ER-1's two "audio in" patterns with sends > from the feedback matrix, then fed back into the matrix on their own > channels. > > You'd get all the rythmmic possibilities, and have the delay and ring mod > effects as a bonus... > > Best- > > Mark > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 17:04:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14237; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:02:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:02:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008401c0533d$28cce140$6fe28cd1@alanis> From: "Paul Buelow" To: References: Subject: Re: ER-1 into Feedback Matrix Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:59:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <681L_D.A.QeD.T9ZG6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are the gates on the ER1s inputs opened as a gate effect of the midi pattern, or by surpassing an internal audio threshold? Does the ring modulator, delay affect the input signal? I want to use these effects without using the internal sounds on the ER-1. For example- I am using a turn table 1 and I want to sync the beat to the ER-1 (tap tempo or dial it in) hit play in time then use the gate to send through sounds from turntable 2 gated to the beat. Any opinions here? ----- Original Message ----- From: David Myers To: Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 1:24 PM Subject: Re: ER-1 into Feedback Matrix > Thanks Mark. The "King" has indeed thought of this, but has not yet tried > it. Such a wealth of shit is happening already that it's a handful. Rather > minor use of the ER-1 to date. Have you tried those inputs? > > DLM > > > David Myers wrote: > > > >> 1. Presently I use a feedback setup consisting of four Korg Kaoss pads and > >> the expected feedback matrix mixer, with a little help from an ER-1 rhythm > >> synthesizer. This is rare in that I've hardly ever used 'foreign' input. A > >> little crazy trying to 'play' four pads at once, but with all the possible > >> variation I'm getting wild stuff fer sure. I don't go into this on the > >> site, but may in the future. Gotta keep *something* for the imagination.... > > > > David- > > > > You've probably already thought of this (being the "Feedback King"), but it > > might work very well to feed the ER-1's two "audio in" patterns with sends > > from the feedback matrix, then fed back into the matrix on their own > > channels. > > > > You'd get all the rythmmic possibilities, and have the delay and ring mod > > effects as a bonus... > > > > Best- > > > > Mark > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 17:07:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14475; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:06:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:06:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7783A141C794D4118AAA00306E00B0B10D5BFF@msgatl06.iss.net> From: "Filacchione, Alex (ISSAtlanta)" To: "'rich'" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Good Cheap Vol. pedal for DMC Grnd Ctrl? Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:04:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone know of a good CHEAP volume pedal that works with the DMC Ground Control? The Earnie Balls are a little expensive at $70-$100. I tried a used Morley mini-volume pedal, but that didn't work right. I set it up so it would work w/ teh pitch shifter functionality on my ART unit. At the lowest setting it was at -12 (1 octave down). At teh highest setting it was SUPPOSED to be at +12 (1 octave up), but what it really ended up being set to was -12, w/ 0 being the halfway point of the volume pedal's travel range. So.... who knows what works correctly that is cheap (new or used I don't care)? Also, anyone know the best place to get a cheap GCX switcher? I rarely see them on eBay, and always seem to miss them on Harmony-Central and digibid. Thanks, Alex F/Brain21 <--------========b21========--------> Brain21 - www.brain21.net www.mp3.com/Brain21 Buy individual songs @ http://www.nrmmusic.com/customcds.htm <--------========b21========--------> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 17:30:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15203; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:28:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:28:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8303C23DC@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Good Cheap Vol. pedal for DMC Grnd Ctrl? Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:57:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com get the ernie ball. it is well worth it. -----Original Message----- From: Filacchione, Alex (ISSAtlanta) [mailto:alexf@iss.net] Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 4:04 PM To: 'rich'; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Good Cheap Vol. pedal for DMC Grnd Ctrl? Anyone know of a good CHEAP volume pedal that works with the DMC Ground Control? The Earnie Balls are a little expensive at $70-$100. I tried a used Morley mini-volume pedal, but that didn't work right. I set it up so it would work w/ teh pitch shifter functionality on my ART unit. At the lowest setting it was at -12 (1 octave down). At teh highest setting it was SUPPOSED to be at +12 (1 octave up), but what it really ended up being set to was -12, w/ 0 being the halfway point of the volume pedal's travel range. So.... who knows what works correctly that is cheap (new or used I don't care)? Also, anyone know the best place to get a cheap GCX switcher? I rarely see them on eBay, and always seem to miss them on Harmony-Central and digibid. Thanks, Alex F/Brain21 <--------========b21========--------> Brain21 - www.brain21.net www.mp3.com/Brain21 Buy individual songs @ http://www.nrmmusic.com/customcds.htm <--------========b21========--------> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 17:39:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15566; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:38:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:38:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:52:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: ER-1 into Feedback Matrix Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paul- The gates are open as a gate effect of the midi pattern. Gate time is controllable. Two separate channels (mono in, stereo out) per pattern. The effects can work on external sounds just like they do with internal ones. Also a channel of global "accent" to play with. The ER-1 should do the cutting you want with the turntable, with the typical problem of tap tempo-ing not being as accurate over time as midiclock... Best- Mark >Are the gates on the ER1s inputs opened as a gate effect of the midi >pattern, or by surpassing an internal audio threshold? Does the ring >modulator, delay affect the input signal? I want to use these effects >without using the internal sounds on the ER-1. For example- I am using a >turn table 1 and I want to sync the beat to the ER-1 (tap tempo or dial it >in) hit play in time then use the gate to send through sounds from turntable >2 gated to the beat. Any opinions here? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 18:45:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16824; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:33:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:33:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c0534a$a28cddc0$0300a8c0@foothilltransit.org> From: "phalen orion" To: References: <008401c0533d$28cce140$6fe28cd1@alanis> Subject: Re: ER-1 into Feedback Matrix Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:35:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com << Are the gates on the ER1s inputs opened as a gate effect of the midi pattern, or by surpassing an internal audio threshold? Does the ring modulator, delay affect the input signal? I want to use these effects without using the internal sounds on the ER-1. For example- I am using a turn table 1 and I want to sync the beat to the ER-1 (tap tempo or dial it in) hit play in time then use the gate to send through sounds from turntable 2 gated to the beat. Any opinions here? >> The audio inputs on the electribe series (i have the ES-1, which is the sampler version) can act as gate inputs or just go straight through (with FX). There is a gate "part" which you can program to play in pattern with the built-in step-sequencer or with a MIDI sequencer, so to have the audio in from turntable 2 gated to the beat you'd have to program the desired beat-pattern using the gate/audio-in "part", which will be very easy if you are just wanting four on the floor. You can set the effects on the audio in part the same way that you would any other part on the Es, except the "reverse" option won't work and I don't think that the "roll" one will either, though i'm not sure. As far as I can tell, the Es don't offer the oppurtunity to control the gate time based on any parameter of the audio input. User guides to each electribe are availabel in PDF from korg.com... here's the ER-1 guide: http://www.korg.com/downloads/pdf/ELT_Guide.pdf best, phalen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 18:48:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16904; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:36:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:36:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c0534b$2b00cfe0$0300a8c0@foothilltransit.org> From: "phalen orion" To: References: <008401c0533d$28cce140$6fe28cd1@alanis> Subject: Re: ER-1 into Feedback Matrix Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:39:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oooh I just looked at the manual online and only the delays and things like level/pan work on the audio in part with the ER-1. Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Buelow" To: Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 1:59 PM Subject: Re: ER-1 into Feedback Matrix Are the gates on the ER1s inputs opened as a gate effect of the midi pattern, or by surpassing an internal audio threshold? Does the ring modulator, delay affect the input signal? I want to use these effects without using the internal sounds on the ER-1. For example- I am using a turn table 1 and I want to sync the beat to the ER-1 (tap tempo or dial it in) hit play in time then use the gate to send through sounds from turntable 2 gated to the beat. Any opinions here? ----- Original Message ----- From: David Myers To: Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 1:24 PM Subject: Re: ER-1 into Feedback Matrix > Thanks Mark. The "King" has indeed thought of this, but has not yet tried > it. Such a wealth of shit is happening already that it's a handful. Rather > minor use of the ER-1 to date. Have you tried those inputs? > > DLM > > > David Myers wrote: > > > >> 1. Presently I use a feedback setup consisting of four Korg Kaoss pads and > >> the expected feedback matrix mixer, with a little help from an ER-1 rhythm > >> synthesizer. This is rare in that I've hardly ever used 'foreign' input. A > >> little crazy trying to 'play' four pads at once, but with all the possible > >> variation I'm getting wild stuff fer sure. I don't go into this on the > >> site, but may in the future. Gotta keep *something* for the imagination.... > > > > David- > > > > You've probably already thought of this (being the "Feedback King"), but it > > might work very well to feed the ER-1's two "audio in" patterns with sends > > from the feedback matrix, then fed back into the matrix on their own > > channels. > > > > You'd get all the rythmmic possibilities, and have the delay and ring mod > > effects as a bonus... > > > > Best- > > > > Mark > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 18:51:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16997; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:40:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:40:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c0534b$a46e0460$0300a8c0@foothilltransit.org> From: "phalen orion" To: References: <008401c0533d$28cce140$6fe28cd1@alanis> Subject: Re: ER-1 into Feedback Matrix Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:43:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And I just double-checked the ES-1 manual online and you can use the FX on the ES-1 with the audio-in. So.... get the ES-1 and be cool like me ;) Jonathan aka phalen180 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 19:24:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17796; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:21:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:21:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a101c05350$97d23a00$6fe28cd1@alanis> From: "Paul Buelow" To: References: <008401c0533d$28cce140$6fe28cd1@alanis> <002d01c0534b$a46e0460$0300a8c0@foothilltransit.org> Subject: Re: ER-1 into Feedback Matrix Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:18:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopers, The ES looks the coolest of the series. Besides using the gate, I hoped the ER knobs could be used as a real time midi control interface to map to midi continuous controller info or even note on/off on another midi device? For example use the controllers to map to resonance and LFO cutoff on another sampler, I use Cubase and an MusicQuest 8port midi interface so I assume I need to build a simple controller map in software such as Cubase and configure the devices appropriately? I read the manual about the Korg continuos controller messages and Roland manual about CC messages but it's not clear how to make it connect. I used to use Opcode Studio 5LX with studio patches which was very powerful. I hope that either Cubase or another tool will help with my mapping. the musicquest midi device is excellent but limited in patching. I would also like to use programs for windows similar to macintosh apps M, Max, and MSP? I use mainly computers and Roland S-760 sampler, Ensoniq Mirage sampler Pioneer DJ-600 mixer with a built-in lil' sampler looper Technics 1200 MKII turntables Sequential Circuits 6-trak Kawai K1 Korg Trident Korg ER-1 ----- Original Message ----- From: phalen orion To: Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 3:43 PM Subject: Re: ER-1 into Feedback Matrix > And I just double-checked the ES-1 manual online and you can use the FX on > the ES-1 with the audio-in. > > So.... get the ES-1 and be cool like me ;) > > Jonathan > aka phalen180 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 19:25:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17853; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:23:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:23:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20001120182150.0081b950@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:21:50 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Ebtech Hum Eliminator - Crispy Or Extra Crispy? In-Reply-To: <086a01c0532f$28229fe0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20001120141601.007fe100@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hum or buzz sound. I played at an art opening recently. after completing the arduous task of setting everything up, I fire it up and B....u.....z.....z.... Way too loud to even attempt doing the soundscapes and atmospheres. I decided to plug into a different outlet about 30 feet away from the first - worked great. I'd like to have the equipment on board so I don't have to worry about anything but my performance - or turning into a human volt. Hope that helps! Thanks! Michael At 03:19 PM 11/20/00 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Michael, > >> Occasionally run into electrical problems at some venues. > >What kind of problems? > >Dennis Leas >------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 20:17:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18837; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:15:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:15:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001120200549.0095e660@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: floyd@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:11:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: Ebtech Hum Eliminator - Crispy Or Extra Crispy? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20001120182150.0081b950@mail.airmail.net> References: <086a01c0532f$28229fe0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <3.0.3.32.20001120141601.007fe100@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:21 PM 11/20/00 -0600, Michael Clark wrote: > > >I decided to plug into a different outlet about 30 feet away from the first >- worked great. I'd like to have the equipment on board so I don't have to >worry about anything but my performance - or turning into a human volt. The Ebtech works great in my studio to eliminate hum caused by ground loops. I know, there shouldn't be any ground loops in a properly wired studio. Well I did my best and the Ebtech takes care of what little residual there was between my mixer and power amp. I'm not sure exactly how the Ebtech works. It is not just lifting grounds. It uses some method of signal balancing - perhaps transformers. Anyway, I don't think the Ebtech would do much in a situation where the electrical wiring is faulty such as swapped hot and neutral lines. And I sure wouldn't trust it or anything else to keep the juice from flowing through your body in a situation like that. Better to get an AC circuit tester to check for proper outlet wiring before you plug your equipment and yourself in to it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 21:35:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20228; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:28:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:28:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <81.3281cbd.274b3796@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:27:34 EST Subject: Ebtech Hum Eliminator To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, Where can I find out about the Ebtech? How much are they? Are they rackmount? How effective are they? Thanks, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 21:55:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20646; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:54:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:54:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001120214953.00964390@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: floyd@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:53:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: Ebtech Hum Eliminator In-Reply-To: <81.3281cbd.274b3796@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <7T44k.A.YCF.1OeG6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:27 PM 11/20/00 -0500, you wrote: >Hello, > Where can I find out about the Ebtech? How much are they? Are they >rackmount? How effective are they? Try going to www.americanmusicsupply.com and search for Ebtech. They are not rackmount at least not the models that they show. They are about $60 per unit. Each unit has a pair of channels. 1/4" TRS jacks for input and output. They are pretty effective with what I've used them for. I'm sure mileage will vary depending on how severe your hum problem is. If $60 doesn't squeeze your budget too much I recommend getting one and trying it out. All you have to loose is $60 :) ************************ Floyd Miller ***************** floyd@studiodust.com ************ http://www.studiodust.com ******** http://www.studiodust.com/~floyd ***** palace://studiodust.com:9998 ** TPV: http://www.thepalace.com:8000/perl/palentry.pl?ID=WD9S7VM2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 20 23:11:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22034; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:10:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:10:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:09:32 -0800 Subject: Re: Humming and Buzzing (Ebtech Hum Eliminator) From: Tiktok To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200011210117.UAA18881@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I played at an art opening recently. after completing the arduous task of > setting everything up, I fire it up and B....u.....z.....z.... Way too > loud to even attempt doing the soundscapes and atmospheres. > > I decided to plug into a different outlet about 30 feet away from the first > - worked great. I'd like to have the equipment on board so I don't have to > worry about anything but my performance - or turning into a human volt. I've run into the same problem, and I have the Ebtech box, and it's not a magic bullet solution. I've found the most common culprits to be neon signs and dimmer switches. If you're using single-coil pickups, just give up at this point. And even well-shielded guitars (humbuckers with sheilded control cavities) will allow hum and buzz if they're feeding a compressor and/or distortion box going into your rig. Sometimes plugging into a different outlet fixes it, but many times it doesn't. TravisH -- Tiktok, Seattle's premier one-man improvisational band. homepage: http://home.sprintmail.com/~tiktok/index.html www.mp3.com/tiktok From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 00:48:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23550; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:43:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:43:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A1992F4.3F7AAE48@magi.com> References: <3A1992F4.3F7AAE48@magi.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 03:48:00 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: echoplex Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0Jon-B.A.uvF.gtgG6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >greetings: > >I just ordered myself an echoplex, does anyone know when Gibson will >have these things available to ship? > >so far I've heard it could be oh, anywhere from 60 days to a year. :-) Since the first 10 have been made successfully at Trace, it could even take less than 60 days... then again, I dont know how many back orders there are... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 01:09:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23869; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 01:08:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 01:08:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: friskyfingers@surfree.com Date: 20 Nov 2000 22:06:59 -0800 Message-ID: <20001121060659.3502.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 21 Nov 2000 06:06:59 GMT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.1.1 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #375 Resent-Message-ID: <-KrprC.A.x0F.eEhG6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com unsubscribe ________________________________________ Surfree.com - nationwide internet access http://www.surfree.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 10:08:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29592; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:00:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:00:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <093d01c053ca$dbbbc8b0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Humming and Buzzing (Ebtech Hum Eliminator) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:53:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I suspect the Ebtech will only fix problems where you have two or more racks (or other boxes) plugged into different AC outlets. That's assuming that each rack does not have internal problems. I'd check out your racks to be sure. Ground loops can be hard to find, but at least they always involve a copper connection. Air borne interference is notoriously hard to eliminate because there's no physical connection. ("Here, play in this Faraday cage.") Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 14:44:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01818; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:42:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:42:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C053B0.AD6809C0.Jonathan@full-moon.com> From: "Jonathan@full-moon.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Vortex Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:46:24 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are you using it with a stringed instrument, like a guitar? It isn't really all that spectacular on a straight guitar sound, though you can get some nice effects, if you use it on a loop, especially if the looped sound is heavily processed. In my stick rig, I have mine set up after my my echoplex. bIz -----Original Message----- From: PaulPokr@aol.com [SMTP:PaulPokr@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 7:10 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Vortex Man, I have to say the Vortex is an anomalous beast. I found a couple of great sounds from the pre's but I have yet to hear a lot of differentiation from the presets (maybe it's broke!). I bought it on eBay and it mostly just sits in my rack. Unconnected. I have to try it out again one of these days. Any Vortex experts out there that can provide suggestions as to using the Vortex? Regards, Paul (the Butch Band) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 14:50:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01975; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:48:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:48:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c053f4$5c30c6c0$0300a8c0@foothilltransit.org> From: "phalen orion" To: References: <01C053B0.AD6809C0.Jonathan@full-moon.com> Subject: Vortex Expression Pedals Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:50:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just got my Vortex last weekend and I was wondering whether anyone knows specs on how I'd build my own homebrew expression controller? (I'd like to use photocell resistors and not a pot) phalen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 15:00:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02228; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:58:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:58:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20001121135750.00888840@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:57:50 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Ebtech Home Page Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <-o-S6D.A.ii.XPtG6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers, Here is the URL for Ebtech. Just so you know, I have no financial interest in the site or the products. I'm just into the anti-buzz/hum movement. http://www.oktava.com/ebtech.html Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 15:26:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02654; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:24:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:24:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <098701c053f8$267d3af0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20001121135750.00888840@mail.airmail.net> Subject: Re: Ebtech Home Page Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:18:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Michael! > I'm just into the anti-buzz/hum movement. Hey, brother, count me in too! I'll march in that parade! Thanks for the URL. Here's my contribution: http://www.jensen-transformers.com/ Some good info in their white papers for DIYers. And, likewise, I have no financial interest in the site or the products. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 15:57:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03400; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:55:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:55:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c053fc$82ff0930$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20001121135750.00888840@mail.airmail.net> <098701c053f8$267d3af0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: new looping device :) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:49:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As part of a gig this weekend, all eight participants had digital cell phones. (These were kindly provided by the local Cellular One office.) I'd never played around with so many cell phones before and I discovered a property that other loopers might be interested in. When I phoned other participants in the same room, I quickly noticed a significant delay when speaking on the phone. I didn't measure it but it was probably 1/2 to 1 second in length. So I took two phones and held them in a "69" position :). This created a feedback loop of about 1 to 2 seconds. I amplified the set-up with a tiny "tie-clip" style mic and sent it to the PA. You could whistle, speak, etc into the phones and generate a decaying or sustaining signal, depending on how close together you held the phones. Quite awkward, but fun! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 19:18:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07584; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 19:17:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 19:17:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A1B0FE0.46048DF1@dmans.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:14:24 -0600 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: boomerang update References: <014e01c05248$954abcc0$a683abd4@a6d4z2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Luca, Here we are, and here's a letter describing the V2 upgrade. -- Any and all Rangs can be upgraded by replacing the current microprocessor with the 2.0 Module. Older units have an additional part that needs to be changed. If your AD/DA converter is an 1848, you will have to upgrade it to the newer 1845. The new software will not recognize the old converter. In this case, your Rang will have to make a trip home to Texas because it takes a special tool to remove this part. To check this out, remove the 4 front screws & 10 bottom ones; then place the Rang on its face with the roller to the right and remove the bottom cover. You’ll be looking at the circuit board in all its glory. The AD/DA converter is made by Analog Devices, is one of the larger parts and is the only square one. The part number information is printed on the part and reads like AD1845JP. The important piece of info is the 4 digits. If it says 1848, then it’s got to be replaced if you want the new software. Also, some of the early Rangs were sold with 1Mbyte of memory. This provided 32 seconds of recording on normal speed and 64 seconds on half speed. If you have a 1Mbyte Rang, this is a good time to upgrade the memory to 4Mbytes as the increased sample rate of the new software will reduce the normal speed record time to 21 seconds. Until recently Rangs came with 2 x 275 op amps and 1 x 283. They’re small 8 pin chips that reside in sockets. The objectionable pop, that can occur when pressing the thru mute switch, is related to these parts. If you’ve noticed this problem, it can be fixed by replacing one of the 275’s with a 2134 op amp. And finally, there will be a sliding scale for the price of the 2.0 Module. This is a move to avoid the "my new toy is obsolete" blues. As you might expect, proof of purchase is required if you didn’t send in a dated warranty card. If you purchased your Rang in June 2000 or later, then the module will cost $39; May 2000, $49; April 2000, $59; March 2000, $69. February 2000 and older Rangs will pay $79. V2.0 Module with 2.0 User Manual, $39-$79 AD1845 Converter, $19 4Mbyte SIMM (memory), $23 2134 Op Amp, $3 Shipping on any combination of above parts, $3 Rang Gig Bag, $39 (shipping $5) Return shipping (if Rang is sent to us), $9 "So, what do I get for my money?" you ask. Good question. Here’s what’s in store. * Version 2.0 has 2 independent loops; this is like having 2 original Rangs side by side. There are a couple of modes for moving between the loops. One mode, called AB1, smoothly transitions to loop B, plays it once, then goes back to playing loop A, all with one button press. * A higher sample rate has been added; original max was 16KHz, new max rate is 24KHz. While this drops the sample time to 1 minute 27 seconds (with 4Mbytes of memory), the Rang now captures a lot more highs and sounds a lot crisper. * The STACK button can be programmed to be either latching or momentary. * You can go directly from recording to stacking. Press RECORD to start recording, then press STACK to conclude recording, start playback and enter stack mode. * There are 7 selectable decay rates. On the original the decay rate was fixed at about 2.3dB. The new rates are as follows: 1 is no decay, 2 is the original rate (about 20-25 repeats), 3-6 are progressively quicker decays and are great when using the Rang as a pure delay, and 7 is slapback (1 full volume repeat). The new decay rates & latching STACK button make the Rang a great sounding digital delay with tap tempo. The foot roller becomes the delay level when used like this. Each loop, A and B, has its own decay rate. * The RECORD button can be programmed to behave as it does now or be disabled during playback. Some folks didn't want to worry about hitting it while adjusting the foot roller. * The half speed concept has been replaced by slow speed, and you have your choice of five. All are musically related to "normal" speed. The choices are: down a 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th or octave. Playback tempo is slowed similarly to the current software. * This one is small, but an improvement. Originally, if you pressed ONCE, the next press of PLAY(STOP) would stop the loop. Now you can transition between "continuous" play and play once mode. Confusing? Here's what you can do that you couldn't before. Start an existing loop with several stutters or re-starts and then smoothly transition into playing the loop repeatedly. * There are improvements on clicks that occasionally occur at loop boundaries, particularly when using the Rang in continuous reverse mode (live reverse lead playing). * And finally, we extended the button behavior so that it is more consistent. For example, in the original, if you were stacking, the REVERSE button didn't do anything. Now you can be stacking additional parts and freely reverse direction or go into play once mode. All the new features are ADDITIONS. That is, no original features, even the lower sampling rates, have been omitted or replaced. The ONCE button shares duty as the loop A/B button. Either the REVERSE or STACK button is held down to enter one of the two program modes. -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 19:44:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08077; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 19:42:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 19:42:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001121194425.007c4140@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 19:44:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: boomerang update In-Reply-To: <3A1B0FE0.46048DF1@dmans.com> References: <014e01c05248$954abcc0$a683abd4@a6d4z2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Kim, Mikell's V.2 info would make a great addition to the 'rang section of Tools of the Trade, wouldn't it? It's a one-stop shop of answers to all the 'rang-related FAQs of the past several months! Tim (no relation!) At 06:14 PM 11/21/00 -0600, you wrote: > Here we are, and here's a letter describing the V2 upgrade. (much useful 'rang info followed...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 22:16:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10949; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:09:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:09:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 19:08:48 -0800 Subject: Looping Gig: Electrochakra at the Hurricane (Seattle, WA, USA) 11/22/00 From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The loop-happy Electrochakra (guitar/guitar/bass/sampler/various loopers) will once again brave the always unpredictable Hurricane (7th and Bell) between 6PM and midnight, this Wednesday the 22nd. You don't have to go to work the next day, so no whining. Attendance will be taken. And those nachos are available at no charge. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Electrochakra -- MP3's and calendar of upcoming shows available at: www.mp3.com/electrochakra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 22:23:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11240; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:21:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:21:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 19:21:04 -0800 Subject: Acoustic guitar looping gigs: Triptych @ Zoka's & Starbucks (Seattle, WA, USA) From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id WAA11203 Resent-Message-ID: <5idxZC.A.YvC.quzG6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The acoustic guitar frenzy of Triptych will soldier bravely on (augmented by sync'ed Echoplexi) despite the unavoidable (temporary) absence of founding member Minnesota Steve Enstad this weekend at two dens of java depravity: € Zoka's Coffee Roaster and Tea Co. (2200 N 56th St, Seattle) Friday, 11/24 9-11PM € Starbucks (606 NE 106th, Bellevue) Saturday, 11/25 8-11PM Admission is free. They charge for the coffee. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Triptych From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 21 23:51:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12648; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:49:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:49:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018401c0543f$216f77c0$c5ae5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: new looping device :) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:46:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com With eight phones, why didn't you daisy-chain them all together in a big loop with a mic at each junction for a multi-tap effect? Ain't hind sight grand? Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Leas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 4:02 PM Subject: new looping device :) >As part of a gig this weekend, all eight participants had digital cell >phones. (These were kindly provided by the local Cellular One office.) I'd >never played around with so many cell phones before and I discovered a >property that other loopers might be interested in. > >When I phoned other participants in the same room, I quickly noticed a >significant delay when speaking on the phone. I didn't measure it but it >was probably 1/2 to 1 second in length. So I took two phones and held them >in a "69" position :). This created a feedback loop of about 1 to 2 >seconds. I amplified the set-up with a tiny "tie-clip" style mic and sent >it to the PA. You could whistle, speak, etc into the phones and generate a >decaying or sustaining signal, depending on how close together you held the >phones. Quite awkward, but fun! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 22 00:41:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13907; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 00:39:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 00:39:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 00:37:11 -0500 Subject: Re: new looping device :) From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c053fc$82ff0930$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah hah! Looping device or Feedback device? I've argued for years that they are really the same animal.... As for "69"ing phones, sounds like you're something of a cunning linguist, Dennis :) .... > As part of a gig this weekend, all eight participants had digital cell > phones. (These were kindly provided by the local Cellular One office.) I'd > never played around with so many cell phones before and I discovered a > property that other loopers might be interested in. > > When I phoned other participants in the same room, I quickly noticed a > significant delay when speaking on the phone. I didn't measure it but it > was probably 1/2 to 1 second in length. So I took two phones and held them > in a "69" position :). This created a feedback loop of about 1 to 2 > seconds. I amplified the set-up with a tiny "tie-clip" style mic and sent > it to the PA. You could whistle, speak, etc into the phones and generate a > decaying or sustaining signal, depending on how close together you held the > phones. Quite awkward, but fun! > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 22 02:45:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15548; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 02:44:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 02:44:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:43:24 -0800 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: FW: Monday 27 November, Cambridge, MA: Middle-East Down: The Loopers' Collective VI - http://www.openfaucet.com/loop.html Resent-Message-ID: <3-b_jC.A.byD.xk3G6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com forwarded for David Kirkdorffer: >From: "Kirkdorffer, David" >To: "'contactLD@loopers-delight.com'" >Subject: Monday 27 November: Middle-East Down: The Loopers' Collective VI > - http://www.openfaucet.com/loop.html >Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:19:12 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Kim - > >May I ask a favor of you? Could you post this message to the >loopers-delight elist, as I'm not a subscriber at this time (new job!)? > >Many thanks in advance. > >David Kirkdorffer > >Round and Round Productions is proud to present > >The Loopers' Collective - VI >live >The Middle East (downstairs) >Cambridge, MA >Monday, November 27, 2000 >@ 8pm (doors at 7:30) > >$7/$5 students &/or with a print out of this eMail >18+ > >Return of THE LOOPERS' COLLECTIVE! http://www.openfaucet.com/loop.html >Courtesy of rosS Hamlin and OpenFaucet Enterprises, this is part six of a >long and loopy collaboration. This time out it's guitar-ing loopers only. >The concept is this: each musician will do a short solo set, followed later >by small groups and an eventual all-in scrum. The music is circular, >meaning that each musician has the ability to real-time layer numerous parts >with new tracks entering the mix all the time. >The style leans towards the ambient and trippy, and with live video mixing >(courtesy of video virtuoso, Dr. T.), you can be sure of trippiness galore. > >TLC VI will feature six Boston-based six-string slingers blazing a trail >into the nether reaches of your mind: >* Scott Dakota (of Moors fame) - roland space echo >* Frank Gerace (of Dreamchild fame) - edp & jamman >* rosS Hamlin - boomerang >* T.G. Noyes - digitech >* 2KJB (aka Plastic Razor Protector) - digitech >* UNDO (aka David Kirkdorffer) - edp > >As always, please bring your awareness how you will. >David Kirkdorffer >http://www.openfaucet.com/loop.html > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 22 04:03:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA16519; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 04:01:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 04:01:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20001121194425.007c4140@pop.ici.net> References: <3A1B0FE0.46048DF1@dmans.com> <014e01c05248$954abcc0$a683abd4@a6d4z2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 01:00:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: boomerang update Resent-Message-ID: <69wJZB.A.xBE.6s4G6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sure, I'd be happy to add it. Does somebody want to spiff it up into a nice looking web page? kim At 4:44 PM -0800 11/21/00, Tim Nelson wrote: >Hey Kim, > >Mikell's V.2 info would make a great addition to the 'rang section of Tools >of the Trade, wouldn't it? It's a one-stop shop of answers to all the >'rang-related FAQs of the past several months! > >Tim (no relation!) > >At 06:14 PM 11/21/00 -0600, you wrote: >> Here we are, and here's a letter describing the V2 upgrade. >(much useful 'rang info followed...) ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 23 01:38:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04103; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 01:35:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 01:35:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20001121194425.007c4140@pop.ici.net> <3A1B0FE0.46048DF1@dmans.com> <014e01c05248$954abcc0$a683abd4@a6d4z2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:33:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: boomerang update Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok, the boomerang v2 stuff is on the web site: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/boomerang/rang2features.html thanks to Steve Burnett for quickly whipping up the html! If any corrections are needed, let me know. kim >sure, I'd be happy to add it. Does somebody want to spiff it up into a nice >looking web page? > >kim > > >At 4:44 PM -0800 11/21/00, Tim Nelson wrote: >>Hey Kim, >> >>Mikell's V.2 info would make a great addition to the 'rang section of Tools >>of the Trade, wouldn't it? It's a one-stop shop of answers to all the >>'rang-related FAQs of the past several months! >> >>Tim (no relation!) >> >>At 06:14 PM 11/21/00 -0600, you wrote: >>> Here we are, and here's a letter describing the V2 upgrade. >>(much useful 'rang info followed...) > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 23 01:54:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04589; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 01:53:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 01:53:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.218.214.30] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Using Phones to loop Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:51:55 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Nov 2000 06:51:55.0554 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE1FC020:01C05519] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello list, Another was to use phone to sort of loop is.... Well first you need a phone with three way and you have to have call notes or some other autonated anwsering service. Then 1. Call the number that your call notes works with and when call notes picks up sing, whilstle, sqeak a straw in asoft drink whatever into the reciever. Then Hang up 2. Call you messaging service and play the message a few times to get a feel for it so you have an idea what to preform with it and the lenght is. 3. Now with call notes(or whatever) in the state where you can cue up the message by pressing a number, call the phone number that picks up call notes agian. After the beep trigger the fist message and then preform new sound and this will be layered on the fist message an form a new message. I do this at work all the time and I am thinking of releasing a cd of all inprovised call noted compositions. I work in a mall and I was thinking it would be cool to put a picture of me on the phone through the storefront window on the front of the cd case, and my time sheet and check on the back where the song titles go. At any rate I hope this give somebody out there a laught at the boring do nothing jobs( that is if you are un/lucky enought to have one of them) This really sustained me while my Edp was in the Shop(and still is). Thanks, J _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 23 07:18:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07465; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 07:16:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 07:16:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A1BB792.7033D3A0@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 04:09:54 -0800 From: Rick Walker Organization: Loop.pooL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: re: new looping device :) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6Mu7zD.A.g0B.BqQH6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com regarding Dennis Leas post about the cell phone experiment: What a great idea!!! Thanks for sharing it. Along similar lines, I have gotten pretty good at controlling the feedback from two toy walkie talkies, facing them at different angles while turning the mic on. I have one of those old red digitech whammy pedals that has a two octave up/down capability. In the two octave up mode, the sweep up is a continuous pitch. Consequently, I can play the feedback into the solo and once I land on a controllable pitch I can play the octave pedal like a 'fretless' feedback. It is not as precise as, say, a slide guitar solo (especially considering that I can't even play a chord on a guitar, being a percussionist at heart...............that's right, the drool comes out equally on both sides of my cheeks when the stage is level) but I find that if I slowly come up or down to pitch that I can get pretty cogent melodic solos..........more Eno than Malmsteen, of course. I used to do a similar trick by whistling into am RE 501 Chorus echo, getting it to feedback at a continuous volume and then playing the tape speed to change the pitch (wow, that dates me!!). BTW, did you just brazenly approach the cell phone people to ask them for the loan of the cell phones? Also, did you have the conference calling feature? That might increase the delay of your 'loop' Thanks for the creativity, Dennis! I get so inspired by Loopers Delight! Rick Walker (a.k.a. Loop.pooL) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 23 16:29:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14068; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:28:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:28:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:42:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Red Sound Federation Pro Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Happy Turkey Day, Fellow Looping People- A quick, "gear frenzy" related question for you all- Anyone heard/played with the Federation Pro effects unit from Red Sound? I'm planning for a nice BPM driven unit to go in my Repeaters effex loop, and I'm interested in the feature set on this unit, the problem is I haven't heard it, and dealers are limited at this point... I have read the review in Sound on Sound. Thanks to all! Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 24 04:42:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22169; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 04:40:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 04:40:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <59.34c1a71.274f9157@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 04:39:35 EST Subject: Re: Vortex controller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 23/11/00 06:38:50 GMT Standard Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > I just got my Vortex last weekend and I was wondering whether anyone knows > specs on how I'd build my own homebrew expression controller? (I'd like to > use photocell resistors and not a pot) > > phalen > It's a 10kOhms linear pot. The wiper on the pot connects to the Ring of the jack I/P. Good luck with the photocells. Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 25 10:20:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01828; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 10:17:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 10:17:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 07:15:50 -0800 Message-Id: <200011251515.HAA22313@mail1.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [12.8.134.194] From: "john schau" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: digitech pds 1002/8000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello everyone I'm new to the list and figure I should introduce myself before asking questions. I've been a musician for a number of years, mostly playing bass and messing with computer created industrial/ambient stuff. Recently I switched over to playing around with guitar effects a fair bit. I recently came accross a delay/sampler pedal a friend of mine has been using for a few years now and desperately want to find one. If anyone on the list knows where I could pick up a digitech pds 1002 or 8000 for a reasonable price please email me privately. Thanks, terje ------------------------------------------------------------ DragonSworn Free Email Services - http://www.dragonsworn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 25 13:26:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04143; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:22:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:22:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200011251515.HAA22313@mail1.bigmailbox.com> References: <200011251515.HAA22313@mail1.bigmailbox.com> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:53:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: rather OT: getting barcodes for a CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5f-XOB.A.bAB.lMAI6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com terribly sorry for this off-topicism but having been a contributory member and considering you all family... I am putting out several limited edition CDs of various live shows mostly (it IS heavily loopy so does that count?) In order to list these anywhere important I need to get a UPC barcode for each of them... and the cheap, efficient but no-frills duplicator that I use doesn't supply them and the UPC people want $300/year for 10,000 barcode numbers! any leads would be greatly appreciated! /t ...bunker:extreme (11/07) .. ...electronic a cappella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 25 18:36:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08671; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 18:33:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 18:33:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 15:34:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: rather OT: getting barcodes for a CD Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >terribly sorry for this off-topicism but having been a contributory >member and considering you all family... > >I am putting out several limited edition CDs of various live shows mostly >(it IS heavily loopy so does that count?) > >In order to list these anywhere important I need to get a UPC barcode >for each of them... and the cheap, efficient but no-frills duplicator >that I use doesn't supply them and the UPC people want $300/year for >10,000 barcode numbers! > >any leads would be greatly appreciated! > I too am wondering about this, so please respond to the list if you have an answer. Maybe we ought to start a bar code coop? ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 25 22:34:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11450; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 22:31:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 22:31:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 22:19:34 -0500 To: Recipient List Suppressed:; From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performances (Cambridge, MA) 11.27.00 and 11.30.00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7AQCbC.A.YyC.rPII6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'll be doing video improvisation with two of my favorite bands next week, working with The Looper's Collective at the Middle East on 11.27 , and with Urban Ambience at the Zeitgeist Gallery on 11.30. On Monday Round and Round Productions is proud to present The Loopers' Collective - VI live The Middle East (downstairs) Monday, November 27, 2000 @ 8pm (doors at 7:30) $7/$5 students &/or with a print out of this eMail 18+ Return of THE LOOPERS' COLLECTIVE! http://www.openfaucet.com/loop.html Courtesy of rosS Hamlin and OpenFaucet Enterprises, this is part six of a long and loopy collaboration. This time out it's guitar-ing loopers only. The concept is this: each musician will do a short solo set, followed later by small groups and an eventual all-in scrum with everyone. The music is circular, meaning that each musician has the ability to real-time layer numerous parts with new tracks entering the mix all the time. The style leans towards the ambient and trippy, and with live video mixing (courtesy of video virtuoso, Dr. T.), you can be sure of trippiness galore. TLC VI will feature six Boston-based six-string slingers blazing a trail into the nether reaches of your mind: * Scott Dakota (of Moors fame) * Frank Gerace (of Dreamchild fame) * rosS Hamlin * T.G. Noyes * 2KJB (aka Plastic Razor Protector) * UNDO (aka David Kirkdorffer) On Thursday at the Zeitgeist Gallery (312 Broadway, Cambridge, MA) @ 7:30PM with Urban Ambience headlining, and Reian Bennett improvised Shakuhachi (Japanese bamboo flute) and T. G. Noyes, Zen Guitar opening. Suggested donation $5.00. -- "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 25 22:59:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11761; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 22:57:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 22:57:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <43.ca868aa.27441380@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 19:56:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: bluezette Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:27 AM -0800 11/15/00, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >..........kim, did you >ever get your copy of BLUEZETTE?.........let me know, if it got lost ill send >you another..........michael Yes, I got it! sorry for the slow reply, I've been quite busy lately. The Bluezette cd is great fun. I also recently got the Philter Phrenzy cd from Miko. In fact, I have a whole collection of CT Project cds now! There sure is a lot creative stuff on these discs, I've really enjoyed listening to them. you guys are doing a great job with these projects, keep it up! the rest of you should check this out too, either listen or contribute your own stuff. I think the web site for it is http://www.loopxchange.com kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 26 04:20:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA14615; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 04:17:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 04:17:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A1F8235.515FEC69@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 01:11:18 -0800 From: Rick Walker Organization: Loop.pooL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: re: Using phones to loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The first president of our country wrote: I am thinking of releasing a cd of all inprovised call noted compositions. I work in a mall and I was thinking it would be cool to put a picture of me on the phone through the storefront window on the front of the cd case, and my time sheet and check on the back where the song titles go. At any rate I hope this give somebody out there a laught at the boring do nothing jobs( that is if you are un/lucky enought to have one of them) Rick Walker wrote back: I, for one would be interested in purchasing that CD should you ever decide to release it. Please keep my e-mail address just in case. Your message also reminds me of something I was involved in, here while back. A student of mine, knowing that I was interested in overtone singing called my answering machine to tell me that a Mongolian musician was overtone singing on NPR (hoping that I was there and would pick up). Frustrated, she finally just put the radio up to the phone and the Mongolian was transported onto my answering machine (an old Radio Shack cassette version). I had, just that very day, purchased the Casio watch that has a cheap little 30 second sampler in it , so I played my answering machince back and recorded the Mongolian onto my watch. I then called my student back and played my watch's recording onto her equally crummy answering machine (she not being there). As you can imagine, by this time the singer's overtone singing had seriously degraded and by this time sounded like a rhythm track off of an Aphex Twin or Autrechre recording. I took the resultant recording and looped it into my Lexicon JamPerson (I live in PC country in Santa Cruz, California) and used it in a performance that night. It was looping, just the most convoluted and lo fi kind. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 26 06:58:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16142; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 06:55:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 06:55:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c0579f$ba300660$0601a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Video Performances (Cambridge, MA) 11.27.00 and 11.30.00 Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 11:55:04 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, for a moment I thought it was in Cambridge, UK. Any chances of you getting over here? Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" To: Sent: 26 November 2000 03:19 AM Subject: Video Performances (Cambridge, MA) 11.27.00 and 11.30.00 > Hi, > > I'll be doing video improvisation with two of my favorite bands next > week, working with The Looper's Collective at the Middle East on > 11.27 , and with Urban Ambience at the Zeitgeist Gallery on 11.30. > > On Monday > > Round and Round Productions is proud to present > > The Loopers' Collective - VI > live > The Middle East (downstairs) > Monday, November 27, 2000 > @ 8pm (doors at 7:30) > > $7/$5 students &/or with a print out of this eMail > 18+ > > Return of THE LOOPERS' COLLECTIVE! http://www.openfaucet.com/loop.html > Courtesy of rosS Hamlin and OpenFaucet Enterprises, this is part six of a > long and loopy collaboration. This time out it's guitar-ing loopers only. > The concept is this: each musician will do a short solo set, followed later > by small groups and an eventual all-in scrum with everyone. The music is > circular, meaning that each musician has the ability to real-time layer > numerous parts with new tracks entering the mix all the time. > The style leans towards the ambient and trippy, and with live video mixing > (courtesy of video virtuoso, Dr. T.), you can be sure of trippiness galore. > > TLC VI will feature six Boston-based six-string slingers blazing a trail > into the nether reaches of your mind: > * Scott Dakota (of Moors fame) > * Frank Gerace (of Dreamchild fame) > * rosS Hamlin > * T.G. Noyes > * 2KJB (aka Plastic Razor Protector) > * UNDO (aka David Kirkdorffer) > > > > On Thursday at the Zeitgeist Gallery (312 > Broadway, Cambridge, MA) @ 7:30PM with Urban Ambience headlining, > and Reian Bennett > improvised Shakuhachi (Japanese bamboo flute) and T. G. Noyes, Zen > Guitar opening. > > Suggested donation $5.00. > > > -- > > > > "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man > persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress > depends on the unreasonable man." > > -- George Bernard Shaw > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 26 07:11:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16296; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 07:09:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 07:09:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A217A33.E8343715@vtx.ch> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 13:01:39 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bluezette References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: > > At 8:27 AM -0800 11/15/00, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > >..........kim, did you > >ever get your copy of BLUEZETTE?.........let me know, if it got lost ill send > >you another..........michael > > Yes, I got it! sorry for the slow reply, I've been quite busy lately. The > Bluezette cd is great fun. I also recently got the Philter Phrenzy cd from > Miko. In fact, I have a whole collection of CT Project cds now! There sure > is a lot creative stuff on these discs, I've really enjoyed listening to > them. you guys are doing a great job with these projects, keep it up! > > the rest of you should check this out too, either listen or contribute your > own stuff. I think the web site for it is http://www.loopxchange.com > Kim thank you but you didnt go there lately as http://www.loopxchange.com _is_ the "online for you to enjoy" site where you can listen, download, most of our Chain Tape projects also a great start for our LD newbies, to get a grasp of what music this or this smart ass you meet here plays. should I mention that you, as our host smart ass, should definitly contribute once to one of our projects is your music somewhere on the net You're welcome Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 26 11:17:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18176; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 11:12:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 11:12:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <55.dc76299.27529012@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 11:10:58 EST Subject: Re: bluezette To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 11/26/00 10:09:07 AM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, c.voit@vtx.ch writes: << should I mention that you, as our host smart ass, should definitly contribute once to one of our projects >> kim.......first off thank, you very much for the kind words, secondly, as mr claude candy man voit put it, please join us for one of our get togethers and dont give us that ol "im too busy" nonsense, i work 24 hours 8 days a week.............:)..............www.loopxchange.com spells out all one needs to know to get involved with the CHAIN TAPE-COLLECTIVE, also at the site you can find out how to get our cds .........an excellent source of loopy maddness and bliss for all...........michael n.p. Aliensporebomb........"VIGNETTE" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 26 14:18:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20597; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 14:14:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 14:14:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001126191404.8085.qmail@web6301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 11:14:04 -0800 (PST) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: www.synthrepairshop.com To: analogue@hyperreal.org, jp6@synthcom.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, sh-101@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check out the www.synthrepairshop.com for fast, reasonable and reliable electronics repair. 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Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 10:04:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04073; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:01:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:01:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01cf01c05881$c4355970$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Using Phones to loop Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 09:53:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Washington" > Another was to use phone to sort of loop is.... > . . . > have one of them) This really sustained me while my Edp was in the Shop(and > still is). What a great idea! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 10:04:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04070; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:00:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:00:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01d001c05881$d5a4d9b0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <3A1BB792.7033D3A0@cruzio.com> Subject: Re: new looping device :) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 09:53:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > BTW, did you just brazenly approach the cell phone people to ask them > for the loan of the > cell phones? Also, did you have the conference calling feature? That > might increase the delay of your 'loop' Yes! In return, we mentioned them in all advertising (we had a radio interview on the local NPR station, an article in the local paper, etc.). Nope, no conf calling features. That would have been fun! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 10:16:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04372; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:13:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:13:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F36329517F@engin-mail2.ad.engin.umich.edu> From: Darcy Clark To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Vortex - midi mods ? Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:11:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone on the list heard of any midi mods to the vortex ? I'd love to be tweak all those cool effects and parameters via midi...cheers, Darcy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 10:21:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04517; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:17:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:17:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0156DF4E4B40D311A6C90090274FC865D49FB8@belial.mogul.no> From: Mark Francombe To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Vortex - midi mods ? Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:17:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not sure what you could change via midi, but what I would like is to synch the tap VIA MIDI Ive seen the edp to vortex mod, but any ideas how to come straight from a midi clock anyone???? -----Original Message----- From: Darcy Clark [mailto:darcyc@engin.umich.edu] Sent: 27. november 2000 16:12 To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: Vortex - midi mods ? Has anyone on the list heard of any midi mods to the vortex ? I'd love to be tweak all those cool effects and parameters via midi...cheers, Darcy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 10:30:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04671; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:26:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:26:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01f201c05885$89b21d20$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F36329517F@engin-mail2.ad.engin.umich.edu> Subject: Re: Vortex - midi mods ? Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:20:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've had this thought too. Here's some possible approaches: 1) use some kits like from PAIA et al to retro-fit MIDI into the Vortex. 2) Ok, Orville or Kyma owners (myself included)! You've been boasting about how flexible these units are. Make a Vortex emulation! After all, we've got block diagrams in the Vortex manual to start with. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darcy Clark" To: Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 10:11 AM Subject: RE: Vortex - midi mods ? > Has anyone on the list heard of any midi mods to the vortex ? I'd love to be > tweak all those cool effects and parameters via midi...cheers, > > Darcy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 10:43:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05004; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:40:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:40:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bd01c05889$a35822c0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> From: "Pulse 8" To: References: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F36329517F@engin-mail2.ad.engin.umich.edu> <01f201c05885$89b21d20$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Vortex - midi mods ? Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 09:49:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the midijack might work for it (i don't know anything about the vortex..is it CV controlled?) check http://www.synchouse.com Joshua Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 - Pulse 8 Music Project http://www.egroups.com/community/loopoftheday - Free Loop Of The Day http://www.egroups.com/community/sampleoftheday - Free Sample Of The Day http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey - Personal Home Page ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Leas" To: Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 9:20 AM Subject: Re: Vortex - midi mods ? > I've had this thought too. > > Here's some possible approaches: > > 1) use some kits like from PAIA et al to retro-fit MIDI into the Vortex. > > 2) Ok, Orville or Kyma owners (myself included)! You've been boasting about > how flexible these units are. Make a Vortex emulation! After all, we've > got block diagrams in the Vortex manual to start with. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Darcy Clark" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 10:11 AM > Subject: RE: Vortex - midi mods ? > > > > Has anyone on the list heard of any midi mods to the vortex ? I'd love to > be > > tweak all those cool effects and parameters via midi...cheers, > > > > Darcy > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 11:35:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05955; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:31:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:31:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <021201c0588e$6d408880$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F36329517F@engin-mail2.ad.engin.umich.edu> <01f201c05885$89b21d20$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <00bd01c05889$a35822c0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> Subject: Re: Vortex - midi mods ? Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:23:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <6i8sk.A.LcB.0voI6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Joshua! > check http://www.synchouse.com I get "Can't find server". Spelling? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 11:57:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06460; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:55:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:55:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ef01c05894$0ba57210$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> From: "Pulse 8" To: References: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F36329517F@engin-mail2.ad.engin.umich.edu> <01f201c05885$89b21d20$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <00bd01c05889$a35822c0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> <021201c0588e$6d408880$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Vortex - midi mods ? Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:03:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <7l_9HC.A.fkB.gGpI6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oops..my bad... now my good :) http://www.synhouse.com/ (confirmed before I sent this) Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 - Pulse 8 Music Project http://www.egroups.com/community/loopoftheday - Free Loop Of The Day http://www.egroups.com/community/sampleoftheday - Free Sample Of The Day http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey - Personal Home Page ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Leas" To: Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 10:23 AM Subject: Re: Vortex - midi mods ? > Hey Joshua! > > > check http://www.synchouse.com > > I get "Can't find server". Spelling? > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 13:12:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07964; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:08:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:08:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F363295185@engin-mail2.ad.engin.umich.edu> From: Darcy Clark To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Vortex - midi mods ? Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:06:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the website [http://www.synhouse.com/] - their MidiJack might do the job, but I am not sure it can handle the whole range of midi controller data (I'm a bit of a midi neophyte really) From their website they list (among other things) that the MidiJack can : Receive MIDI Note On messages (full range, MIDI notes 0-127) Receive MIDI Note Off messages (full range, MIDI notes 0-127) Receive MIDI sustain pedal (controller number 64) I guess I will contact them for more info. My dream would be to have simultaneous control over multiple parameters in a vortex patch via Midi (probably via Opcode Max). My suspicion is that this maybe impossible even with the MidiJack. cheers, darcy > -----Original Message----- > From: Pulse 8 [mailto:ozone@ticnet.com] > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 12:04 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Vortex - midi mods ? > > > oops..my bad... > > now my good :) > > http://www.synhouse.com/ (confirmed before I sent this) > > > Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso > http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 - Pulse 8 Music Project > http://www.egroups.com/community/loopoftheday - Free Loop Of The Day > http://www.egroups.com/community/sampleoftheday - Free Sample > Of The Day > http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey - Personal Home Page > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis Leas" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 10:23 AM > Subject: Re: Vortex - midi mods ? > > > > Hey Joshua! > > > > > check http://www.synchouse.com > > > > I get "Can't find server". Spelling? > > > > Dennis Leas > > ------------------- > > dennis@mdbs.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 13:52:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08774; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:48:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:48:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c058a2$83a5c7c0$b39ed8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F363295185@engin-mail2.ad.engin.umich.edu> Subject: Echoplex Software update (and reliability); also gate-checking Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:47:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <9CNXIB.A.3IC.BxqI6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all-- Just back from a job in Reno where we shared the bill with George Svoboda and Fred Benedetti, a classical guitar duo from here in San Diego. I was surprised to see they both had Oberheim EDPs! And they use them for some segments of their show (the improvised part) . . . I am sure that they could benefit from an update of their software, so I told them about this mail list and the Gibson/Trace Elliot connection. How close is the brand new update? Must be right around the corner . . . Also they raved about the reliability of their loopers, having travelled the globe with their music. That being said, I observed Fred being careful with his rack on the plane (he took it onboard and stowed it under the seat), so consider the difference between classic guitarist/professor and, oh, say, yer normal loop crazed electric guitarist. Certainly baggage handlers can't be trusted . . . I think they delight in the opportunity to test the durability of items checked. In fact, one of our travellers had his bag damaged on this trip--he got a piece of luggage back with a broken zipper, items stuffed hastily back in--so the lesson is, if you care about your equipment, handle it yourself. In fact, I gate-checked my Taylor for the first time (on Fred's advise) and was surprised at the degree of cooperation--was anyone else aware that this procedure is supported (carrying instruments onto the plane)? On the first leg of the journey (Reno to Las Vegas) I actually was able to stow the guitar overhead! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 14:37:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10027; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:34:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:34:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A22B87C.47EE679B@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:41:50 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: gate-checking References: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F363295185@engin-mail2.ad.engin.umich.edu> <001001c058a2$83a5c7c0$b39ed8cc@gary> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <70ALQD.A.sbC.0brI6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary Lehmann wrote: > Hi all-- > Just back from a job in Reno where we shared the bill with George Svoboda > and Fred Benedetti, a classical guitar duo from here in San Diego. I was > surprised to see they both had Oberheim EDPs! And they use them for some > segments of their show (the improvised part) . . . I am sure that they could > benefit from an update of their software, so I told them about this mail > list and the Gibson/Trace Elliot connection. > How close is the brand new update? Must be right around the corner . . . > Also they raved about the reliability of their loopers, having travelled the > globe with their music. That being said, I observed Fred being careful with > his rack on the plane (he took it onboard and stowed it under the seat), so > consider the difference between classic guitarist/professor and, oh, say, > yer normal loop crazed electric guitarist. Certainly baggage handlers can't > be trusted . . . I think they delight in the opportunity to test the > durability of items checked. In fact, one of our travellers had his bag > damaged on this trip--he got a piece of luggage back with a broken zipper, > items stuffed hastily back in--so the lesson is, if you care about your > equipment, handle it yourself. In fact, I gate-checked my Taylor for the > first time (on Fred's advise) and was surprised at the degree of > cooperation--was anyone else aware that this procedure is supported > (carrying instruments onto the plane)? On the first leg of the journey > (Reno to Las Vegas) I actually was able to stow the guitar overhead! > Gary what airline was this? i've had good and bad experiences with guitars onboard, ranging from being able to stow it myself to gate-checking to just plain checking (first and last time, luckily just the case was damaged and not the guitar). when i've travelled with electronics, i've always managed to carry them and stow them myself. i'd be curious how they handle gate-checking at different airlines (do they just toss it on the stack in the luggage hold, or did they actually find some spot in the passenger compartment for it?). i always sweat with trepidation upon approaching the airport with musical instrument cases in hand... funny (or tragic) anecdotes? lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 14:45:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10263; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:42:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:42:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A22B8FE.DCBC0159@soundsliketree.com> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:41:52 -0800 From: eric oberthaler Organization: http://www.soundsliketree.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex Reliability References: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F363295185@engin-mail2.ad.engin.umich.edu> <001001c058a2$83a5c7c0$b39ed8cc@gary> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-qqwl.A.9fC._jrI6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi There. . . Regarding EDP reliability: I got one of the first batch of the new Trace Elliot units. I have had no problems so far with mild usage. I am going into some heavy usage and gigging now, and am concerned vis-a-vis the large number of problems people have had with these things. My question: Do we have a sense of what % of these new ones are unstable? Are the bad ones bad from the get-go or do they deteriorate? Have the hardware problems been pinpointed? In short - should I be wary of building my set around a potentially unstable unit considering I have had no problems thus far? Any advice appreciated. Thanks, eo -- eric oberthaler http://www.soundsliketree.com (music within) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 14:46:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10309; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:44:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:44:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.169.167] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex - midi mods ? Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:42:53 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2000 19:42:53.0312 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B8C7800:01C058AA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes Dennis, I did many rebuild of my "old" Vortex into DSP4000 AND Orville...some of them work fine some don't. I think that those diagrams in the Vortex manual are pretty general layouts, not very specific and explanatory of what really happens into the little dsp. Maybe we can swap some Orville programs if you use the PC editor Vsig. BTW, have you downloaded software V2.705 from oupdate internet site? ..best ITALOOP >From: "Dennis Leas" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: Vortex - midi mods ? >Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:20:12 -0500 > >I've had this thought too. > >Here's some possible approaches: > >1) use some kits like from PAIA et al to retro-fit MIDI into the Vortex. > >2) Ok, Orville or Kyma owners (myself included)! You've been boasting >about >how flexible these units are. Make a Vortex emulation! After all, we've >got block diagrams in the Vortex manual to start with. > >Dennis Leas >------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Darcy Clark" >To: >Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 10:11 AM >Subject: RE: Vortex - midi mods ? > > > > Has anyone on the list heard of any midi mods to the vortex ? I'd love >to >be > > tweak all those cool effects and parameters via midi...cheers, > > > > Darcy > > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 14:51:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10569; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:48:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:48:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31C5D18C14C4D111AE0800A0C96FA8303C24A6@dhcp-250.adhesive.com> From: Jimmy George To: "'baumhaus@earthlink.net'" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: gate-checking Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:18:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have two concert sized acoustics that have always came onboard with me to go in the overheads. They both reside inside their trusty reunion blues gig bags which easily fits into the small onboard plane compartments. dozens of flights have allowed this when approached with a smile. best wishes, Jimmy George -----Original Message----- From: lance glover [mailto:baumhaus@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 1:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: gate-checking Gary Lehmann wrote: > Hi all-- > Just back from a job in Reno where we shared the bill with George Svoboda > and Fred Benedetti, a classical guitar duo from here in San Diego. I was > surprised to see they both had Oberheim EDPs! And they use them for some > segments of their show (the improvised part) . . . I am sure that they could > benefit from an update of their software, so I told them about this mail > list and the Gibson/Trace Elliot connection. > How close is the brand new update? Must be right around the corner . . . > Also they raved about the reliability of their loopers, having travelled the > globe with their music. That being said, I observed Fred being careful with > his rack on the plane (he took it onboard and stowed it under the seat), so > consider the difference between classic guitarist/professor and, oh, say, > yer normal loop crazed electric guitarist. Certainly baggage handlers can't > be trusted . . . I think they delight in the opportunity to test the > durability of items checked. In fact, one of our travellers had his bag > damaged on this trip--he got a piece of luggage back with a broken zipper, > items stuffed hastily back in--so the lesson is, if you care about your > equipment, handle it yourself. In fact, I gate-checked my Taylor for the > first time (on Fred's advise) and was surprised at the degree of > cooperation--was anyone else aware that this procedure is supported > (carrying instruments onto the plane)? On the first leg of the journey > (Reno to Las Vegas) I actually was able to stow the guitar overhead! > Gary what airline was this? i've had good and bad experiences with guitars onboard, ranging from being able to stow it myself to gate-checking to just plain checking (first and last time, luckily just the case was damaged and not the guitar). when i've travelled with electronics, i've always managed to carry them and stow them myself. i'd be curious how they handle gate-checking at different airlines (do they just toss it on the stack in the luggage hold, or did they actually find some spot in the passenger compartment for it?). i always sweat with trepidation upon approaching the airport with musical instrument cases in hand... funny (or tragic) anecdotes? lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 15:05:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10909; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:02:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:02:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A22B01C.3FDF@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:03:58 -0400 From: T Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex Reliability References: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F363295185@engin-mail2.ad.engin.umich.edu> <001001c058a2$83a5c7c0$b39ed8cc@gary> <3A22B8FE.DCBC0159@soundsliketree.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com while I can't speak directly to the EDP, I can make a general observation about trace construction, not great. that said I think the problems are more assembly than design issues, my experience with thier amps is that having a tech go thru it and tighten this and that, secure poorly mounted boards, tie wrap, hot glue, tighten, touchup and in general do the QC that should have already been done can be helpful in improving longevity and service w/o failures. maybe it would help ease your mind to do a little pre-emptive service/maintenance, take it to a good tech and ask him to give it a good go over, most tech's will know what to do a really silly loose peripheral part knocking around can frequently be taken care of for very little money before it turns into a larger and more expensive and frustrating issue, many future deep problems start as small physical issues peace, stever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 15:06:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10916; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:03:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:03:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A22BDB9.23ACD767@soundsliketree.com> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:02:02 -0800 From: eric oberthaler Organization: http://www.soundsliketree.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: MAX and MIDI and Looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm still searching for a MIDI software looper for the Mac. Anybody? If there's nothing out there better than the looping capabililties of - say - Digital Performer then I gather Max is the option that's left. I heard mention of a Max list - anybody have info? Anyone have any Max MIDI looping patches they might want to throw my way? Thanks a bunch! eo -- eric oberthaler http://www.soundsliketree.com (music within) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 15:18:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11370; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:16:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:16:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20001127141431.007f4800@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:14:31 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: OT: gate-checking Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a friend who works for, uh .... a major airline ..... and he says that checking a guitar, or anvil style road cases, is asking for trouble. Some of the baggage handlers take delight in consciously being abusive to the instrument or equipment. They do this stuff On Purpose. Many airlines will allow you to carry on a guitar. The big deal is that it must fit in the overhead. Must be a padded/soft case. I actually saw someone carry on a bass viola. No, it didn't fit in the overhead, but the stewardess put it in the back of the plane. I think the grave look of concern and being a bit teary eyed helped. The Fabulous Thunderbirds had so much trouble with trashed equipment that they actually had 3 different set-ups warehoused at different points around the country. Imagine opening up your anvil case and seeing your Super Reverb or Bassman with tubes falling out. Hey, that qualifies as a hate crime! Doesn't it? Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 15:19:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11371; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:16:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:16:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F36329518B@engin-mail2.ad.engin.umich.edu> From: Darcy Clark To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: MAX and MIDI and Looping Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:14:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.redmoon-music.com/products/maxWerk/ is the only product in the area of midi looping that I know of, so there may well be others. From my limited (to date) use of Max I think it might not be that hard to code a rudimentary midi looper from scratch. Here are some previous messages to the list of this topic : http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199707/msg00249.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199707/msg00276.html hope this helps, Darcy > -----Original Message----- > From: eric oberthaler [mailto:eric@soundsliketree.com] > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 3:02 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: MAX and MIDI and Looping > > > I'm still searching for a MIDI software looper for the Mac. Anybody? > If there's nothing out there better than the looping > capabililties of - > say - Digital Performer then I gather Max is the option that's left. > I heard mention of a Max list - anybody have info? > Anyone have any Max MIDI looping patches they might want to throw my > way? > Thanks a bunch! > eo > > -- > eric oberthaler > http://www.soundsliketree.com > (music within) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 15:44:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11968; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:40:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:40:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A22B87C.47EE679B@earthlink.net> References: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F363295185@engin-mail2.ad.engin.umich.edu> <001001c058a2$83a5c7c0$b39ed8cc@gary> <3A22B87C.47EE679B@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:30:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: OT: gate-checking Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3ECUJ.A.W5C.jYsI6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >funny (or tragic) anecdotes? > >lance g. just one...travelling to Seattle to meet a friend (and ex-band mate), so we decide we will 'jam' when i arrive. I bring my then looper pedal box. 2 digitech 2000's and a digitech 8000, all in line with power strip, power supplies, and patch cords all there. just plug it in, put in your input and output cords and off ya go...all in a sturdy wood box with latches. put that one through the x-ray, and the operator's eyes bulged...i think rudimentary circuit boards with battery supplied power spells 'bomb' in their training manual, so they saw it and immediately made me open it. i kept telling them, they are music pedals, for electric guitar...see?...you put the cable there and it goes out there...understand? music...yes...they are for music. the power strip? that's for the power...yes...music.....what do they do? ummmmm..... ...yes...music....uh huh.... i had to go through 3 or 4 people coming over to investigate, with each successive person not wanting to deal with it and deferring to someone with more authority. finally got the go ahead after 20 minutes or so...had to do that on departure from both LA and Seattle. loads of fun! rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 15:58:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12310; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:55:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:55:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c058b3$2f3274c0$8baa5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #192 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:46:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #192 November 23, 2000. On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Groove compilation CDs. The feature CD at Midnight was "Four the Truth," the fourth of four CDs of music inspired by the X Files television series. Groove Unlimited http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2000/focus00.html#nov ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Paul Ellis Appears to Vanish Pt 1 Appears to Vanish (Neu Harmony) Max Corbacho Primigenial Frontier Far Beyond the Immobile Point (none) Fanger & Kersten Black Hole Interkosmos (Manikin) Surface 10 Epheral In Vitro Tide (DiN) Steve Roach & Serpent Clan The Serpent's Lair (Projekt) Byron Metcalf Steve Roach & Beating Heart of the The Serpent's Lair (Projekt) Byron Metcalf Dragon Mother Larry Gaabe The Rise of Reason History All At Once (Morphosis Music) M. Griffin & D. Fulton Quadrature - phase 1 The Most Distant Point Known (Hypnos) 12:00 am VA [Rapp, Boots & Alien Bug Hunt Four the Truth (Groove) E.v.d.Heijden] VA [Keller, Schonwalder Synapsys Struggle of Four the Truth (Groove) H.v.d.Heijden] Life's Recordings VA [Marselje & Munz] Who Is It? Four the Truth (Groove) VA [Boots & Obmana] Acknowledged Contact Four the Truth (Groove) VA [Boddy & Boots] Gross Misconduct Four the Truth (Groove) VA [R.Guyt, M.Guyt, The Relativity of Four the Truth (Groove) Bliekendaal] Reality VA [E.v.d.Heijden & Boots] Bare Score Four the Truth (Groove) VA [Aerts & Clent] Straight Ahead Four the Truth (Groove) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on compilation discs from the Dutch label Groove Unlimited. Next week's feature CD at midnight will be "World Wide Kind." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 16:16:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12796; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:13:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:13:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c058b6$95cff560$0601a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F363295185@engin-mail2.ad.engin.umich.edu> <001001c058a2$83a5c7c0$b39ed8cc@gary> <3A22B87C.47EE679B@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: OT: gate-checking Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 21:11:14 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was told by the cargo folks at LAX that batteries are the particular items that trigger off the Concern Flag with the people who scan the x-ray machines. As it is with cargo, you have to remove ALL batteries from whatever you're shipping, no matter what. I didn't tell them about the disk-battery in my PC of course, screw 'em. But the 9V's are a sure-fire trouble spot that the security people are trained to look for - and the moment they see it, it's a @#$ bomb unless you can prove otherwise. Funny thing though, my Digitech DDS 7.6 and the QuadraVerb were packed in bubble wrap, in a duffle bag - and didn't even get opened. No batteries, folks. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! > >funny (or tragic) anecdotes? > > > >lance g. > > > just one...travelling to Seattle to meet a friend (and ex-band mate), > so we decide we will 'jam' when i arrive. I bring my then looper > pedal box. 2 digitech 2000's and a digitech 8000, all in line with > power strip, power supplies, and patch cords all there. just plug it > in, put in your input and output cords and off ya go...all in a > sturdy wood box with latches. > > put that one through the x-ray, and the operator's eyes bulged...i > think rudimentary circuit boards with battery supplied power spells > 'bomb' in their training manual, so they saw it and immediately made > me open it. i kept telling them, they are music pedals, for electric > guitar...see?...you put the cable there and it goes out > there...understand? music...yes...they are for music. the power > strip? that's for the power...yes...music.....what do they do? > ummmmm..... > ...yes...music....uh huh.... > > i had to go through 3 or 4 people coming over to investigate, with > each successive person not wanting to deal with it and deferring to > someone with more authority. finally got the go ahead after 20 > minutes or so...had to do that on departure from both LA and Seattle. > loads of fun! > > rich > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 16:32:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13076; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:23:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:23:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <023701c0591c$66dd2820$33dee2c1@lazerii> From: "Adam Davidson" To: References: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F363295185@engin-mail2.ad.engin.umich.edu> <001001c058a2$83a5c7c0$b39ed8cc@gary> <3A22B8FE.DCBC0159@soundsliketree.com> <3A22B01C.3FDF@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: Echoplex Reliability Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:20:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree with you. and those input/output control knobs are extremely sensitive. mine doesnt operate properly at this moment. is it possible to buy such potentiometers anywhere? a/d ----- Original Message ----- From: T To: Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 8:03 PM Subject: Re: Echoplex Reliability > while I can't speak directly to the EDP, I can make a general > observation about trace construction, not great. that said I think the > problems are more assembly than design issues, my experience with thier > amps is that having a tech go thru it and tighten this and that, secure > poorly mounted boards, tie wrap, hot glue, tighten, touchup and in > general do the QC that should have already been done can be helpful in > improving longevity and service w/o failures. > > maybe it would help ease your mind to do a little pre-emptive > service/maintenance, take it to a good tech and ask him to give it a > good go over, most tech's will know what to do > > a really silly loose peripheral part knocking around can frequently be > taken care of for very little money before it turns into a larger and > more expensive and frustrating issue, many future deep problems start as > small physical issues > > peace, stever > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 17:03:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13801; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:58:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:58:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c058bd$0c2fdb20$337c0d98@uncg.edu> Reply-To: "insect politics" From: "insect politics" To: References: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F363295185@engin-mail2.ad.engin.umich.edu> <001001c058a2$83a5c7c0$b39ed8cc@gary> <3A22B87C.47EE679B@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: OT: gate-checking Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:57:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <55iOjD.A.HXD.9itI6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One thing I can recommend that might seem a bit silly at first is the following: When I went from North Carolina to Seattle to play a show at a friend's anniversary party, I took a lot of equipment, and had nowhere near the kind of money one needs for flight cases. I already had a pretty sturdy case from an old Korg I bought years back, and it already had foam in it, so I used this one to store my more delicate instruments. For the more hardy stuff, like my Mackie CFX-12 (they accurately call it throw proof, btw), I went to a thrift store and bought a huge hard plastic locking case for $5. I then went to Big Lots and bought a crappy chair made of foam. I cut the chair up into foam strips and packed the Mackie in firmly, then filled the blank space with cables and other relatively unbreakable items. For my effects units, these were wrapped in my clothes packed in my regular suitcase, which also had some foam in it. The final step was spray painting the mixer case in horrible colors so no one would ever want to steal it. The only damage was a bit of the metal edge that bent on the crappy case, but hey it was only 5 bucks. With some of the money I saved on buying a case I bought hasps and locks, and added these to both cases so I could feel safer about letting strangers handle them. A bit of extra work certainly, and maybe kind of a backwoods way to do it, but it worked! So in short: Buying and adapting a lot of disposable crap can end up getting the job done for a lot less money. Hopefully that helps somebody out. Jon www.mp3.com/skincage From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 17:05:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13886; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 17:02:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 17:02:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:01:12 -0800 From: Andrew Pask Subject: RE: MAX and MIDI and Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F36329518B@engin-mail2.ad.engin.umich.edu> Message-ID: <20001127140114-r01010600-d4570d86@192.168.1.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.1.6 (Bluto) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 27/11/00 at 15:14, Darcy Clark wrote: > > say - Digital Performer then I gather Max is the option that's left. > > I heard mention of a Max list - anybody have info? FWIW, The Max list is at http://www.cycling74.com If I were you I'd set it up so that you don't have to put up with all the rubbish that gets sent to that list from antiorp. There are a few looping apps out there I think. Josh Kit Clayton has written one, you can find out about a lot of that stuff from the cycling 74 site. In my experience it is difficult to achieve a high degree of timing accuracy within MAX. Hopefully the next version will go some way towards ironing that out. That seems to be the only real problem though (!!!!!!!!!!!!) Apart from that you can do pretty much anything you like with MIDI in a MAX patch. L8r A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 18:01:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15353; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 17:57:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 17:57:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013b01c058c4$69276e40$8baa5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "New Age Voice" , "New Age Voice" , "peter manzi" , "RevsRadio" Subject: Top 20 for November 2000 as Reported to NAV and CD Revolutions Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 17:50:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice and CD Revolutions for October, 2000. Shows #187 to #191; 19-October-2000 to 16-November-2000 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net CONTACT: billfox@fast.net ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Free System Projekt & Dave Brewer - Okefenokee Dreams - Groove James Johnson - Linger - Space for Music Mike Griffin & Dave Fulton - The Most Distant Point Known - Hypnos Remy - The Art of Imagination - Groove/AKH Robert Carty - The Inexplicable - Deep Sky Robert Rich - Sunyata - Hypnos Robert Scott Thompson - Blue Day - Aucourant Ron Boots - Close, But Not Touching - Groove Rudy Adrian - The Healing Lake - White Cloud Steve Roach & Byron Metcalf - The Serpent's Lair - Projekt Steve Roach & Vidna Obmana - Circles & Artifacts - The Contemporary Harmonic Tangerine Dream - Poland - Jive Electro Tangerine Dream - Stratosphere - Virgin Tranzit - Tranzversal - Groove Various Artists - Out There Lies the Truth - Groove Various Artists - The Truth Is Twisted - Groove Various Artists - Truth or Dare - Groove Various Artists - World Wide Kind - Groove Vidna Obmana - The Surreal Sanctuary - Hypnos Vir Unis - Aeonian Glow - Green House From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 18:23:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15942; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:18:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:18:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix2.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:17:32 -0500 (EST) From: "r. dennis" To: lance glover Cc: "looper's delight" Subject: Re: OT: gate-checking In-Reply-To: <3A22B87C.47EE679B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com greetings flyers! funny how much it varies... i managed to cram all my 9v pedals + boomerang into one of those roll-y flight attendant style things for a couple of trips to the left coast this year. sometimes you get stopped - sometimes not. yes, the chip in the boomerang will give the snooper a bit of a hard on. i did learn about a magical little item called the "SPECIAL HANDLING" tag, but they generally won't give you one if you ask for it. this get slapped onto bags that are being checked at the gate rather than at checkin- along with stuff like strollers. i did have to wonder how "special" the handling would be... watch out for short legs especially. aircraft like the increasingly popular "canadair regional jet" have NO o/h bins! then again... they only seat 48 passengers... but it goes to show that you can't always count on certain common amenities... on a leg i flew from newark/columbus they looked at my roll-yand said "you'll have to check that item", and then pointed out the window at a plane that was scarcely as big a suburban! in the past i've UPS'd a bunch of stuff ahead to the home or work of an understanding individual at the first city on the tour, then taken the rest aboard & gone pot luck on borrowed/rented amps & axes. which is no way to run an airline, let me tell you. rbrt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 18:48:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16572; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:44:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:44:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 05:14:34 -0500 (EST) From: noah X-Sender: fishmong@aint-got-nothin.mit.edu To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Vortex - midi mods ? In-Reply-To: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F363295185@engin-mail2.ad.engin.umich.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <3nGLuB.A.sCE.2GvI6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The short answer to the MIDI'd Vortex, as far as I can tell, is Not Bloody Likely. All of these MIDI retrofit kits assume that your device runs (at least internally) on standard CV. The Vortex does not. Without major major major hacking (and hours with a clipboard and ohmmeter) I don't see a way to do this. Which is poopy. I would love my vortex so much more... -><- On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Darcy Clark wrote: > Thanks for the website [http://www.synhouse.com/] - their MidiJack might do > the job, but I am not sure it can handle the whole range of midi controller > data (I'm a bit of a midi neophyte really) From their website they list > (among other things) that the MidiJack can : > > Receive MIDI Note On messages (full range, MIDI notes 0-127) > Receive MIDI Note Off messages (full range, MIDI notes 0-127) > Receive MIDI sustain pedal (controller number 64) > > I guess I will contact them for more info. My dream would be to have > simultaneous control over multiple parameters in a vortex patch via Midi > (probably via Opcode Max). My suspicion is that this maybe impossible even > with the MidiJack. > > cheers, > > darcy > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pulse 8 [mailto:ozone@ticnet.com] > > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 12:04 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Vortex - midi mods ? > > > > > > oops..my bad... > > > > now my good :) > > > > http://www.synhouse.com/ (confirmed before I sent this) > > > > > > Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso > > http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 - Pulse 8 Music Project > > http://www.egroups.com/community/loopoftheday - Free Loop Of The Day > > http://www.egroups.com/community/sampleoftheday - Free Sample > > Of The Day > > http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey - Personal Home Page > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dennis Leas" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 10:23 AM > > Subject: Re: Vortex - midi mods ? > > > > > > > Hey Joshua! > > > > > > > check http://www.synchouse.com > > > > > > I get "Can't find server". Spelling? > > > > > > Dennis Leas > > > ------------------- > > > dennis@mdbs.com > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 18:50:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16624; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:46:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:46:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:48:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: RE: Vortex - midi mods ? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >not sure what you could change via midi, but what I would like is to synch >the tap VIA MIDI Ive seen the edp to vortex mod, but any ideas how to come >straight from a midi clock anyone???? > It seems like you coule use a MIDI to control voltage converter that has a clock output, then send the clock to a clock divider. I might try this and see is it works. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 20:02:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18318; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:58:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:58:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.61.12.131] From: "The Specialists" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: echoplex Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 00:56:59 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2000 00:56:59.0774 (UTC) FILETIME=[1CEA59E0:01C058D6] Resent-Message-ID: <662WaD.A.edE.3LwI6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello echoplex users, can you manipulate the delay time/tempo/pitch of a loop in real time? that is, can you record a loop and then slow it down or speed it up? are you happy with your echoplex? i'm thinking about buying one. would a used jamman be a better bet? what about a boomerang? thanks, lou _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 20:17:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18823; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:14:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:14:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <14883.1660.44750.329557@localhost.localdomain> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 17:12:28 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Peck To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Eventide programming list? (was Re: Vortex - midi mods ?) In-Reply-To: <200011272348.SAA16703@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200011272348.SAA16703@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.47 under Emacs 19.34.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Yes Dennis, I did many rebuild of my "old" Vortex into DSP4000 AND >Orville...some of them work fine some don't. I think that those diagrams in >the Vortex manual are pretty general layouts, not very specific and >explanatory of what really happens into the little dsp. >Maybe we can swap some Orville programs if you use the PC editor Vsig. I'd like to start egroups lists for Eventide programmers and users, but don't know if there are enough people to make it worthwhile. What sayest thou? Other than here and rec.audio.pro where would you announce it? If you want to reply to me only, do so at rpeck@rpeck.com. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The noose tightens so slowly you never realize you're dead." - rpeck From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 20:20:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18935; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:17:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:17:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <14883.1881.211820.559722@localhost.localdomain> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 17:16:09 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Peck To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: MAX and MIDI and Looping In-Reply-To: <200011272348.SAA16703@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200011272348.SAA16703@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.47 under Emacs 19.34.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'm still searching for a MIDI software looper for the Mac. Anybody? You can easily build what you want with Reaktor. I built a nice 4-channel stereo looper that used either time or tempo/bars/beats to specify the loop times. Independant length, level and feedback on each loop. Imagine my surprise when I found that the Eventide looper programs worked the same way. . . Any other Reaktor programmers here? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Don't let laziness get in the way of greatness." - anon. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 20:44:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19547; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:41:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:41:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [205.188.200.48] From: "Joe Osborne" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:40:34 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2000 01:40:34.0745 (UTC) FILETIME=[338F4290:01C058DC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Being the owner of 2 Echoplexs and a Lexicon Jamman I will state what I believe to be the pros and cons of each unit. Bear in mind that I am a guitar player and use each of these units in an extensive guitar rig. Jamman (Pros): 1) Clean sounding with no clipping/distortion problems. 2) Because I run my rig in stereo I can run both sides of my rig with one unit. 3) All functions are easy to use. Cons: 1) Only 32 seconds of maximum delay time. 2) Triggering seems to vary in consistency. Echoplex (Pros): 1) 192 seconds of delay time. 2) Consistent loops. 3) All functions are consistent and smooth. Even with the 2 units "brother-synced" together. Cons: 1) Difficult to use at first (not very "musician friendly"). 2) To run in stereo you have to use 2 units. 3) Inconsistency in the input and output sections from unit to unit. Both of the units I have were made this year lass than 6 months apart. Yet I have to set the input of one of my units 40 percent lower than the other. 4) Clips and distorts very easy. Levels seem to need to be set way to low. Well, thats my opinion on each of these units based on my experience. Hope this information helps with your decision. _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 20:44:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19549; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:41:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:41:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.240.220.233] From: "space module" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:41:11 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2000 01:41:11.0820 (UTC) FILETIME=[49A874C0:01C058DC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lou asked: are you happy with your echoplex? i'm thinking about buying one. would a used jamman be a better bet? what about a boomerang? thanks, lou I only have a Jamman (32 seconds) but I would say that all of them are nice pieces. The EDP is obviously the king of the heap, but the other 2 have their good points also. The The woes of obtaining an EDP have been discussed greatly before on this list. Boomerang is the easyist to get a hold of, you can buy them from a store or a catalog new. The JamMan has seen wild fluctuations in price - I've seen them as cheap as $75.00 in Pawnshops to as expensive as $500 on the web. If I was paying $500 for one I would want the memory expansion and both the pedals w/cables in dead mint condition. The best thing is to have 2 loopers in line for really crazy stacking and layering. So get them all... Nick _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 20:49:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19731; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:44:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:44:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a501c058dc$03625800$2b14f618@oemcomputer.spardil.mediacom.ispchannel.com> From: "Eric Williamson" To: Subject: Re: Vortex - midi mods ? -- Moog to Vortex works so far ... Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:39:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My favourite Vortex CV source is my Moog Liberation. The Vortex is the dedicated processer for it, and the CV out of the goes into the pedal input. Turn the range and scale knobs up on the Liberation power supply, and you get a range of value 22 at the low F and 63 at high C. My next thing to do is figure out a way to use the shorting-trigger from the Moog to control something else on the Vortex. I don't see why one of you hawdcaw cuircit benders couldn't rig a Kenton thingie into the Vortex. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 21:07:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20369; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 21:04:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 21:04:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A231268.DE8C211D@soundsliketree.com> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:03:19 -0800 From: eric oberthaler Organization: http://www.soundsliketree.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com space module wrote: > lBoomerang is the easyist to get a hold of, you > can buy them from a store or a catalog new. Who makes the Boomerang? URL? Thanks, eo -- eric oberthaler http://www.soundsliketree.com (music within) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 27 22:40:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22360; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:38:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:38:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "J. Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: MAX and MIDI and Looping Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:31:31 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <14883.1881.211820.559722@localhost.localdomain> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dude, any chance you might share that 4-channel software looper? How would that work on my end? Do I need Reaktor too? | -----Original Message----- | From: Ray Peck [mailto:rpeck-l@rpeck.com] | Sent: Monday 27 November 2000 5:16 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: RE: MAX and MIDI and Looping | | | | >I'm still searching for a MIDI software looper for the Mac. Anybody? | | You can easily build what you want with Reaktor. I built a nice | 4-channel stereo looper that used either time or tempo/bars/beats to | specify the loop times. Independant length, level and feedback on each | loop. Imagine my surprise when I found that the Eventide looper | programs worked the same way. . . | | Any other Reaktor programmers here? | | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | "Don't let laziness get in the way of greatness." - anon. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 02:32:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27476; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 02:29:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 02:29:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.61.12.131] From: "The Specialists" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 07:27:40 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2000 07:27:40.0314 (UTC) FILETIME=[B090E7A0:01C0590C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey, thanks for replying. one feature that seems important to me is real time manipulation/modulation of the tempo of the loop. in "delay pedal" terms this would be like manipulating delay time. in "midi" terms this would be like manipulating the pitch of a loop (or time stretch, if you sampler is new-fangled). what i want to do is record loops on stage and then slow them down and/or speed them up. if the echoplex cannot do this are there other units that can? the jamman? the "jamman" inside of the lexicon rackmount thing? the boomerang? eventide? anything? thanks, lou _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 02:35:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27542; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 02:32:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 02:32:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.61.12.131] From: "The Specialists" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 07:31:35 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2000 07:31:36.0204 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D2ADCC0:01C0590D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yo, what about the jamman vs. the "jamman" inside the lexican guitar rackmount FX thing? just as good? what about the eventide (upgradable to 200 sec. of delay time)? does anyone use this thing for real time looping? lou _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 03:07:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA28091; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 03:04:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 03:04:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.171.190] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Eventide programming list Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:03:08 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2000 08:03:08.0516 (UTC) FILETIME=[A512C240:01C05911] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Ray I personally think it's a VERY GOOD idea! As far as numbers I know at least 5 people on LD that have Eventide units, plus I know about another dozen here in Italy that have, use & program these boxes...sure they would be interested...we already talked about this issue. I do presets design and beta testing for the factory so I'm in touch with Gilfix and personally with lots of users to do "customers support"...this means immediate communication of any new issue regarding Eventides...please man, GO AHEAD!!! BTW, what model do you use? My direct e-mail: italoop@hotmail.com ciao Italo De Angelis >From: Ray Peck >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Eventide programming list? (was Re: Vortex - midi mods ?) >Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 17:12:28 -0800 (PST) > > >Yes Dennis, I did many rebuild of my "old" Vortex into DSP4000 AND > >Orville...some of them work fine some don't. I think that those diagrams >in > >the Vortex manual are pretty general layouts, not very specific and > >explanatory of what really happens into the little dsp. > >Maybe we can swap some Orville programs if you use the PC editor Vsig. > >I'd like to start egroups lists for Eventide programmers and users, but >don't know if there are enough people to make it worthwhile. What >sayest thou? Other than here and rec.audio.pro where would you announce >it? > >If you want to reply to me only, do so at rpeck@rpeck.com. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >"The noose tightens so slowly you never realize you're dead." - rpeck > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 04:57:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA29886; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 04:54:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 04:54:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <0156DF4E4B40D311A6C90090274FC865D49FB9@belial.mogul.no> From: Mark Francombe To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Vortex - midi mods ? Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:52:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This seems the most likely mod possible for the vortex, I would be VERY interested if you manage to get it to work, Do you know what kinda signal the tap input actually is??? I have a midi to cv converter, however its outputs are only CV and gate, is the clock output you talk about the type of pulse that would have triggered old analog sequencers? There are some old drum machines (probably very cheap now that were manufactured on the overlap of CV/gate and midi technologies that had this trigger out AND had midi in... maybe these would work??? Mark Red -----Original Message----- From: improv@peak.org [mailto:improv@peak.org] Sent: 28. november 2000 00:48 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Vortex - midi mods ? >not sure what you could change via midi, but what I would like is to synch >the tap VIA MIDI Ive seen the edp to vortex mod, but any ideas how to come >straight from a midi clock anyone???? > It seems like you coule use a MIDI to control voltage converter that has a clock output, then send the clock to a clock divider. I might try this and see is it works. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 05:30:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA30435; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 05:28:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 05:28:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 05:26:44 EST Subject: Vortex tech stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: <6-bIDC.A.YbH.Bi4I6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 1) Triggering the Vortex 'tap' electronically is possible. But it would still drift out of sync. Especially if MIDI was involved. Syncing the Vortex to a beat is best achieved by tapping over a large time period (2 bars, 4 bars, 8 bars etc) . The Vortex will divide the tap time by 2 until it has enough resources to cope. This might let you 'sync' for about a minute without noticable drift, depending on how accurate (or fussy) you are. 2)The Vortex control pedal could (I think) be replaced by some kind of control voltage device. 3) the PARAMETER and REG/PRE knobs are switches configured to produce a 4 bit binary code, (I don't know about the VALUE knob though) so presumably these could be replaced by something controllable. 4) As regards Vortex emulations, the manual won't tell you about what happens when you morph. For instance if you start in ATMOSPHERE B with a particular value of RES 2 (mod tap a tuning) then as you morph away to a different preset where RES 2 is used to control something else you'd expect the "mod tap a tuning" to stay the same, especially if you'd set RES 2 to the same value in the other preset. However you can hear that this is not the case, the "mod tap a tuning" varies very obviously as you morph. This leads me to believe the Vortex has what you might call 'hidden values' . For instance "mod tap a tuning" might be given a value of 64 (or 0, I don't know) in the ORBIT preset, this would have no effect within the ORBIT preset itself but would make a difference when you morph from ATMOS B to ORBIT. I've emailed Lexicon about this, but they (G.Hogan) say that a) the guy who programmed the Vortex is no longer with us. b) you can't contact our tech people directly. So the only way to chart these 'hidden values' would be to try out every combination of morphs. 5)Apologies to 'Almost all list members' for long rambling nonsense post. 6)If anyone wants to send me a copy of the Vortex Service sheet I'll put it online. Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 06:19:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA31121; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 06:16:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 06:16:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001128111529.26919.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 03:15:29 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Vortex - midi mods ? -- Moog to Vortex works so far ... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Eric Williamson wrote: > I don't see why one of you hawdcaw cuircit benders > couldn't rig a Kenton thingie > into the Vortex. >From the archives...... http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199702/msg00110.html Did anyone ever try this? ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 06:56:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA32018; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 06:54:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 06:54:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c05932$5e6443c0$0902a8c0@mercurio.it> From: "Leonardo Piras" To: Subject: When?? Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:57:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C0593A.BC79D490" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C0593A.BC79D490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know when will the Electrix repeater EXACTLY ship??? I can't help!!! ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C0593A.BC79D490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C0593A.BC79D490-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 07:28:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA32294; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 07:17:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 07:17:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001128121621.14445.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 04:16:21 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Vortex, Time Machines, & Midi + Ensign Pulver..Report to the bridge! To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I played around with hooking up a midi/cv converter, (a JKJ CV-5), with both the Lexicon Vortex & the Digitech 7.6 Time Machine. 1st the Vortex... The Vortex tap tempo will respond to a midi note message via the S-Trig output of the converter. I suppose this could be useful for controlling the Vortex from a sequencer. All I had at my disposal for testing purposes was a midi keyboard,(EVERY key acted like a tap tempo switch), & my EDP. The EDP sends a midi note on at the beginning of the loop. Unfortu- nately, the message is sent too fast for the Vortex to respond to. This led to my major contribution to this list to date; which was, asking Kim for help! Mathias came thru with his sync cable as a result. I feel honored to be the ignorant bastard who caused this. The morph function of the Vortex can be operated via a cv output from the converter. The cv source could be an LFO on board the converter or even a pitch source, ie: midi keyboard. Since I'm a guitar player, the Vortex/converter combination has been of little use to me. The LFO control of the morph would be great; BUT, the LFO on the JKJ CV-5 only gets down to a slow speed of .2 Hz. That's a little too fast for my ear. I've had a lot more fun combining the CV-5 with the Digi 7.6. I send the converter's LFO to the cv pedal input of the 7.6. I have an ART X-15 midi foot controller hooked to the CV-5. The X-15 has two midi cc pedals. One controls the LFO's speed & the other the depth. The program change switches on the X-15 can be used to change from one LFO waveform to another. I know that a lot of Digi Delay users have fun using its on board LFO to twist loops in a knot. You can make all kinds of noise,(I mean that in a nice way), by having a variety of waveforms at your disposal. Just of the top of my head...the CV-5 gives you 2 tri, 3 sq, 2 ramp, 1 random, 1 sine, & several 8 step waveforms. Most of the waveforms will sync to midi clock. I've just begun working the EDP into the mix for that purpose. If Mark Pulver(our resident analogue synth geek & CV-5 expert) is listening, maybe he can add a couple of cents toward using the CV-5 for purposes other than that which it was designed for. It seems like you ought to be able to do something with gates & triggers & portamento, even if you don't own an analogue synth. Motivate one's cat I suppose. :) Oh, you can also run audio thru the CV-5 for volume & panning control. http://www.midiwall.com/synths/jkjcv5.html ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 09:11:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01591; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:09:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:09:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001128140752.27271.qmail@web1104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 06:07:52 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Martin Subject: Headrush @ zZounds To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A public service announcement - zZounds has used Headrush units for $139. http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.AKAE1&z=918717784424 Happy shopping, Scott __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 11:56:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06485; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:54:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:54:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <6353B404BE7DD311A4F70090279CCEE301C9E39A@cof110exch007u.dr.lucent.com> From: "Schreier, Steven (Steven)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Eventide programming list Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:52:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA06437 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would love to contribute to the Eventide programming forum. Count me in!! Steven J. Schreier AVAYA Communication Senior Software Associate  San Diego, California Voice: 1.858.874.1753 Fax :     1.858.874.1701 E-mail:  schreier@avaya.com   -----Original Message----- From: italo de angelis [mailto:italoop@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 12:03 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Eventide programming list Hi Ray I personally think it's a VERY GOOD idea! As far as numbers I know at least 5 people on LD that have Eventide units, plus I know about another dozen here in Italy that have, use & program these boxes...sure they would be interested...we already talked about this issue. I do presets design and beta testing for the factory so I'm in touch with Gilfix and personally with lots of users to do "customers support"...this means immediate communication of any new issue regarding Eventides...please man, GO AHEAD!!! BTW, what model do you use? My direct e-mail: italoop@hotmail.com ciao Italo De Angelis >From: Ray Peck >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Eventide programming list? (was Re: Vortex - midi mods ?) >Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 17:12:28 -0800 (PST) > > >Yes Dennis, I did many rebuild of my "old" Vortex into DSP4000 AND > >Orville...some of them work fine some don't. I think that those diagrams >in > >the Vortex manual are pretty general layouts, not very specific and > >explanatory of what really happens into the little dsp. > >Maybe we can swap some Orville programs if you use the PC editor Vsig. > >I'd like to start egroups lists for Eventide programmers and users, but >don't know if there are enough people to make it worthwhile. What >sayest thou? Other than here and rec.audio.pro where would you announce >it? > >If you want to reply to me only, do so at rpeck@rpeck.com. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >"The noose tightens so slowly you never realize you're dead." - rpeck > ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 12:26:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07073; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:20:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:20:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:31:24 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Burnett To: Subject: BitHeadz Phrazer now out Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com BitHeadz has now released their Phrazer "digital audio loop sequencer for the Macintosh". Opinions, please. http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2000/Phrazer-Shipping.html http://www.bitheadz.com/News/phrazernowshipping.html http://www.bitheadz.com/ regards, Steve -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 12:28:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07237; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:23:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:23:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A22BDB9.23ACD767@soundsliketree.com> References: <3A22BDB9.23ACD767@soundsliketree.com> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:27:16 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: MAX and MIDI and Looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'm still searching for a MIDI software looper for the Mac. Anybody? >If there's nothing out there better than the looping capabililties of - >say - Digital Performer then I gather Max is the option that's left. >I heard mention of a Max list - anybody have info? so you dont like POLAR? I wanted to see that and I have a crack of Performer, but I dont see where POLAR is... a plug in? I dont find it on their site either... Are they ashamed of it? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 12:42:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07866; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:41:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:41:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A23E05E.4E9D@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:42:13 -0400 From: T Reply-To: studio_t@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BitHeadz Phrazer now out References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I plan on checking it out shortly, you did notice they have a downloadable demo version? I have hi hopes stever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 13:45:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09313; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:43:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:43:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A23FC77.ACFBE115@soundsliketree.com> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:42:13 -0800 From: eric oberthaler Organization: http://www.soundsliketree.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MAX and MIDI and Looping References: <3A22BDB9.23ACD767@soundsliketree.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6LXHB.A.3QC.8x_I6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Matthias! Matthias Grob wrote: > >I'm still searching for a MIDI software looper for the Mac. Anybody? > >If there's nothing out there better than the looping capabililties of - > >say - Digital Performer then I gather Max is the option that's left. > >I heard mention of a Max list - anybody have info? > > so you dont like POLAR? Polar is very nice indeed, but it loops audio and not MIDI. It is a looping function geared towards recording rather than performing (as is the meager MIDI memory point looping function as well). In fact, "Performer" is a misnomer for this software, IMHO. It's more of a "Recorder." > I wanted to see that and I have a crack of > Performer, but I dont see where POLAR is... a plug in? It's in the Windows menu. If you have the tutorials (which are on the CD) there's a quicktime movie of some MOTU guy showing you how to use it. eo -- eric oberthaler http://www.soundsliketree.com (music within) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 14:14:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09900; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:09:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:09:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A240270.CD6052BC@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:07:26 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: When?? References: <002101c05932$5e6443c0$0902a8c0@mercurio.it> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6345E2E88149766507D74F53" Resent-Message-ID: <_QEw9.A.8ZC.EKAJ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------6345E2E88149766507D74F53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My guess is that they're having software/hardware issues and we won't see a product until sometime next year. I've been involved in product development before and I just can't buy the power supply story. Realizing you need to re design a power supply a week before a product is to ship? The units should have been boxed up and on route to retailers by that time. Basically, I'm not holding my breath. Until then I'm placating my gear lust with the new software demos; Reason (from Propellerheads/Steinberg) and Phrazer (from Bitzheadz) and a GR-30 which Musician's Friend is selling for $399. as the GR-33 is out. (in case any guitarist's are interested) Why is the solution to all my problems "more gear?" ;-) Mark Sottilaro Leonardo Piras wrote: > Does anyone know when will the Electrix repeater EXACTLY ship???I > can't help!!! --------------6345E2E88149766507D74F53 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My guess is that they're having software/hardware issues and we won't see a product until sometime next year.  I've been involved in product development before and I just can't buy the power supply story.  Realizing you need to re design a power supply a week before a product is to ship?  The units should have been boxed up and on route to retailers by that time.  Basically, I'm not holding my breath.

Until then I'm placating my gear lust with the new software demos; Reason (from Propellerheads/Steinberg) and Phrazer (from Bitzheadz) and a GR-30 which Musician's Friend is selling for $399. as the GR-33 is out. (in case any guitarist's are interested)

Why is the solution to all my problems "more gear?" ;-)

Mark Sottilaro

Leonardo Piras wrote:

Does anyone know when will the Electrix repeater EXACTLY ship???I can't help!!!
--------------6345E2E88149766507D74F53-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 14:32:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10313; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:27:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:27:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C0592E.ABE122C0.Jonathan@full-moon.com> From: "Jonathan@full-moon.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: OT RE: When?? Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:30:54 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Why is the solution to all my problems "more gear?" ;-) > Because you haven't heard of this site: http://www.geekboyservices.com/ bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 15:51:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12151; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:49:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:49:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01C0592E.ABE122C0.Jonathan@full-moon.com> References: <01C0592E.ABE122C0.Jonathan@full-moon.com> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:40:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: OT RE: When?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1kicYB.A.T9C.3nBJ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oh guys, do check out this site. think about it. A grand for a full blown Repeater with memory cards and a nice midi foot controller, or a grand to be a hip, techie, san francisco scenester, with new shoes to boot? the blue pill or the red pill? pet the pelts of possiblility...hmmmm... rich > > >> Why is the solution to all my problems "more gear?" ;-) >> > >Because you haven't heard of this site: > >http://www.geekboyservices.com/ > > >bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 16:07:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12781; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:06:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:06:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C0593C.745DFB80.Jonathan@full-moon.com> From: "Jonathan@full-moon.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Vortex - midi mods ? Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:09:34 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've created a couple on Reaktor, as part of my learning my way around the tool. Not identical emulations yet, but they do sound nice. A full real-time echoplex emulation would be possible in reaktor, but I haven't had time to do anything that wasn't related to work in some way. bIz On Monday, November 27, 2000 7:20 AM, Dennis Leas [SMTP:dennis@mdbs.com] wrote: > I've had this thought too. > > Here's some possible approaches: > > 1) use some kits like from PAIA et al to retro-fit MIDI into the Vortex. > > 2) Ok, Orville or Kyma owners (myself included)! You've been boasting about > how flexible these units are. Make a Vortex emulation! After all, we've > got block diagrams in the Vortex manual to start with. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Darcy Clark" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 10:11 AM > Subject: RE: Vortex - midi mods ? > > > > Has anyone on the list heard of any midi mods to the vortex ? I'd love to > be > > tweak all those cool effects and parameters via midi...cheers, > > > > Darcy > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 16:20:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13358; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:19:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:19:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007c01c05980$8d6275e0$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Vortex - midi mods ? Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:17:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could you post your ensembles on the net or maybe send them to me? I use Reaktor myself- awesome program- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan@full-moon.com To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 1:08 PM Subject: RE: Vortex - midi mods ? > >I've created a couple on Reaktor, as part of my learning my way around the >tool. Not identical emulations yet, but they do sound nice. > >A full real-time echoplex emulation would be possible in reaktor, but I >haven't had time to do anything that wasn't related to work in some way. > > >bIz > > > >On Monday, November 27, 2000 7:20 AM, Dennis Leas [SMTP:dennis@mdbs.com] >wrote: >> I've had this thought too. >> >> Here's some possible approaches: >> >> 1) use some kits like from PAIA et al to retro-fit MIDI into the Vortex. >> >> 2) Ok, Orville or Kyma owners (myself included)! You've been boasting >about >> how flexible these units are. Make a Vortex emulation! After all, we've >> got block diagrams in the Vortex manual to start with. >> >> Dennis Leas >> ------------------- >> dennis@mdbs.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Darcy Clark" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 10:11 AM >> Subject: RE: Vortex - midi mods ? >> >> >> > Has anyone on the list heard of any midi mods to the vortex ? I'd love >to >> be >> > tweak all those cool effects and parameters via midi...cheers, >> > >> > Darcy >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 16:21:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13418; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:19:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:19:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008101c05980$9fd9a220$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: OT RE: When?? Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:17:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This weekend sounds good- is Jonas available? Lemme know- - - Cliff -----Original Message----- From: rich To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 12:54 PM Subject: Re: OT RE: When?? >oh guys, do check out this site. > >think about it. A grand for a full blown Repeater with memory cards >and a nice midi foot controller, or a grand to be a hip, techie, san >francisco scenester, with new shoes to boot? > >the blue pill or the red pill? > >pet the pelts of possiblility...hmmmm... > >rich > > >> > >>> Why is the solution to all my problems "more gear?" ;-) >>> >> >>Because you haven't heard of this site: >> >>http://www.geekboyservices.com/ >> >> >>bIz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 16:46:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14556; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:45:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:45:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.178.56] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Squeeze this into your Orvilles!!! Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:43:09 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2000 21:43:09.0804 (UTC) FILETIME=[335382C0:01C05984] Resent-Message-ID: <34Q_KB.A.OiD.McCJ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry if this is too much for the list space! If anybody out there is programming his/her Orville with a pc thru Vsig editor...well, just "copy & paste" this text into Vsig then send it to Orville and enjoy this outer space music....have fun ITALOOP HEADM "adc" 2 2 adder1-out adder2-out "GALAXY BORDERS2" "" 4 menupage-obj menupage1-obj VERB-obj USER-obj ADD "add" adc-in1 adc-in2 TEXTKNOB "textknob" "Type1:%s" "" 3 0.0000 "low" "peak" "high" TEXTKNOB "textknob1" "Type2:%s" "" 3 1.0000 "low" "peak" "high" TEXTKNOB "textknob2" "Type3:%s" "" 3 2.0000 "low" "peak" "high" TEXTKNOB "textknob3" "Type4:%s" "" 3 0.0000 "low" "peak" "high" TEXTKNOB "textknob4" "Type5:%s" "" 3 1.0000 "low" "peak" "high" TEXTKNOB "textknob5" "Type6:%s" "" 3 1.0000 "low" "peak" "high" TEXTKNOB "textknob6" "Type7:%s" "" 3 2.0000 "low" "peak" "high" TEXTLINE "dummy" "" MENUPAGE "menupage" "7serial EQs Param." "7bandEQ" 32 knob-obj knob1-obj knob2-obj knob3-obj knob4-obj knob5-obj knob6-obj dummy-obj knob7-obj knob8-obj knob9-obj knob10-obj knob11-obj knob12-obj knob13-obj dummy-obj knob14-obj knob15-obj knob16-obj knob17-obj knob18-obj knob19-obj knob20-obj dummy-obj textknob-obj textknob1-obj textknob2-obj textknob3-obj textknob4-obj textknob5-obj textknob6-obj dummy-obj MENUPAGE "menupage1" "4 Reverse Shifters P4REVERSE" "4REVERSE" 8 knob21-obj knob22-obj knob23-obj knob24-obj knob25-obj knob26-obj knob27-obj knob28-obj EQ "eq" add-out knob-out knob7-out knob14-out textknob-out EQ "eq1" eq-out knob1-out knob8-out knob15-out textknob1-out EQ "eq2" eq1-out knob2-out knob9-out knob16-out textknob2-out EQ "eq3" eq2-out knob3-out knob10-out knob17-out textknob3-out EQ "eq4" eq3-out knob4-out knob11-out knob18-out textknob4-out EQ "eq5" eq4-out knob5-out knob12-out knob19-out textknob5-out EQ "eq6" eq5-out knob6-out knob13-out knob20-out textknob6-out KNOB "knob" "Freq1:%5.1fHz" "" 0.0000 20000.0000 0.1000 200.0000 TEXTBLOCK "USER" 5 "Strange outer space texture from the" "4000 spaceship days. This version has" "10 seconds for each reverse shifter." "Try it with longer delay settings." "Very strange....Sum In/Stereo Out." KNOB "knob1" "Freq2:%5.1fHz" "" 0.0000 20000.0000 0.1000 1000.0000 KNOB "knob2" "Freq3:%5.1fHz" "" 0.0000 20000.0000 0.1000 3500.0000 KNOB "knob3" "Freq4:%5.1fHz" "" 0.0000 20000.0000 0.1000 200.0000 KNOB "knob4" "Freq5:%5.1fHz" "" 0.0000 20000.0000 0.1000 1250.0000 KNOB "knob5" "Freq6:%5.1fHz" "" 0.0000 20000.0000 0.1000 5500.0000 KNOB "knob6" "Freq7:%5.1fHz" "" 0.0000 20000.0000 0.1000 3500.0000 KNOB "knob25" "Pitch1:%4.0fcents" "" -4800.0002 4800.0002 1.0000 710.0000 KNOB "knob26" "Pitch2:%4.0fcents" "" -4800.0002 4800.0002 1.0000 -1010.0000 KNOB "knob27" "Pitch3:%4.0fcents" "" -4800.0002 4800.0002 1.0000 493.0000 KNOB "knob28" "Pitch4:%4.0fcents" "" -4800.0002 4800.0002 1.0000 -704.0000 REVERSE "reverse" 10000 eq6-out 10.0000 knob21-out knob25-out 0.0000 KNOB "knob21" "Length1:%5.0fms" "" 0.0000 10000.0000 1.0000 5800.0002 KNOB "knob22" "Length2:%5.0fms" "" 0.0000 10000.0000 1.0000 8000.0000 KNOB "knob23" "Length3:%5.0fms" "" 0.0000 10000.0000 1.0000 10000.0000 KNOB "knob24" "Length4:%5.0fms" "" 0.0000 10000.0000 1.0000 3500.0000 REVERSE "reverse1" 10000 eq6-out 10.0000 knob22-out knob26-out 0.0000 REVERSE "reverse2" 10000 eq6-out 10.0000 knob23-out knob27-out 0.0000 REVERSE "reverse3" 10000 eq6-out 10.0000 knob24-out knob28-out 0.0000 REVERB_C "VERB" adder-out adder-out 7.0999 1.0000 12.0000 100.0000 1000.0000 0.0000 0.0000 3.0000 0.1299 1.0000 1.0000 39.9000 57.6999 38.4999 81.4999 89.4999 100.0000 ADDER "adder" 4 reverse-out reverse1-out reverse2-out reverse3-out ADDER "adder1" 3 reverse-out reverse2-out VERB-left ADDER "adder2" 3 reverse1-out reverse3-out VERB-right KNOB "knob7" "Q1:%4.1fdB" "" 0.0000 1000.0000 0.1000 1.0000 KNOB "knob8" "Q2:%4.1fdB" "" 0.0000 1000.0000 0.1000 2.0000 KNOB "knob9" "Q3:%4.1fdB" "" 0.0000 1000.0000 0.1000 1.0000 KNOB "knob10" "Q4:%4.1fdB" "" 0.0000 1000.0000 0.1000 2.0000 KNOB "knob11" "Q5:%4.1fdB" "" 0.0000 1000.0000 0.1000 1.3000 KNOB "knob12" "Q6:%4.1fdB" "" 0.0000 1000.0000 0.1000 2.8000 KNOB "knob13" "Q7:%4.1fdB" "" 0.0000 1000.0000 0.1000 1.0000 KNOB "knob14" "Boost1:%2.1fdB" "" -18.0000 18.0000 0.1000 1.0000 KNOB "knob15" "Boost2:%2.1fdB" "" -18.0000 18.0000 0.1000 -9.2000 KNOB "knob16" "Boost3:%2.1fdB" "" -18.0000 18.0000 0.1000 3.2000 KNOB "knob17" "Boost4:%2.1fdB" "" -18.0000 18.0000 0.1000 1.4000 KNOB "knob18" "Boost5:%2.1fdB" "" -18.0000 18.0000 0.1000 -8.0000 KNOB "knob19" "Boost6:%2.1fdB" "" -18.0000 18.0000 0.1000 8.2000 KNOB "knob20" "Boost7:%2.1fdB" "" -18.0000 18.0000 0.1000 4.0000 TAIL "italo de angelis" _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 16:47:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14581; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:45:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:45:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C05941.F4DACC20.Jonathan@full-moon.com> From: "Jonathan@full-moon.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Vortex - midi mods ? Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:48:57 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sure - they're not complete yet - I have to do a little tidying, but I'll set a deadline for finishing them. bIz On Tuesday, November 28, 2000 1:17 PM, Clifford@BienAppraisers [SMTP:bienappraisers@mindspring.com] wrote: > Could you post your ensembles on the net or maybe send them to me? I use > Reaktor myself- awesome program- > > Cliff > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan@full-moon.com > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > > Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 1:08 PM > Subject: RE: Vortex - midi mods ? > > > > > >I've created a couple on Reaktor, as part of my learning my way around the > >tool. Not identical emulations yet, but they do sound nice. > > > >A full real-time echoplex emulation would be possible in reaktor, but I > >haven't had time to do anything that wasn't related to work in some way. > > > > > >bIz > > > > > > > >On Monday, November 27, 2000 7:20 AM, Dennis Leas [SMTP:dennis@mdbs.com] > >wrote: > >> I've had this thought too. > >> > >> Here's some possible approaches: > >> > >> 1) use some kits like from PAIA et al to retro-fit MIDI into the Vortex. > >> > >> 2) Ok, Orville or Kyma owners (myself included)! You've been boasting > >about > >> how flexible these units are. Make a Vortex emulation! After all, we've > >> got block diagrams in the Vortex manual to start with. > >> > >> Dennis Leas > >> ------------------- > >> dennis@mdbs.com > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Darcy Clark" > >> To: > >> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 10:11 AM > >> Subject: RE: Vortex - midi mods ? > >> > >> > >> > Has anyone on the list heard of any midi mods to the vortex ? I'd love > >to > >> be > >> > tweak all those cool effects and parameters via midi...cheers, > >> > > >> > Darcy > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 16:48:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14662; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:46:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:46:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C05942.212EC240.Jonathan@full-moon.com> From: "Jonathan@full-moon.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: WOT Toto, we're not in Gattaca any more - was RE: OT RE: When?? Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:50:11 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0h3waC.A.TjD.YdCJ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sociological research, or mass behaviour elicitation as art? More sickness from the valley of sand: http://www.amihotornot.com This was started by a couple of engineers in the building next to my old job. To make sure that it classifies as looper material, I must include the iterations: http://www.amigothornot.com http://www.amipresidentornot.com There are probably others that I am not aware of. Of course, assign a number to the face of a stranger and then repeat does count as a loop. Should we ask them to start an 'amigasornot' site, where you post pictures of your gear? bIz On Tuesday, November 28, 2000 12:41 PM, rich [SMTP:rich@nuvisionsca.com] wrote: > oh guys, do check out this site. > > think about it. A grand for a full blown Repeater with memory cards > and a nice midi foot controller, or a grand to be a hip, techie, san > francisco scenester, with new shoes to boot? > > the blue pill or the red pill? > > pet the pelts of possiblility...hmmmm... > > rich > > > > > > >> Why is the solution to all my problems "more gear?" ;-) > >> > > > >Because you haven't heard of this site: > > > >http://www.geekboyservices.com/ > > > > > >bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 17:20:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15528; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:17:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:17:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: Subject: RE: WOT Toto, we're not in Gattaca any more - was RE: OT RE: When ?? Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:15:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about http://amiotornot.com ? -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan@full-moon.com [mailto:Jonathan@full-moon.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 1:50 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: WOT Toto, we're not in Gattaca any more - was RE: OT RE: When?? Sociological research, or mass behaviour elicitation as art? More sickness from the valley of sand: http://www.amihotornot.com This was started by a couple of engineers in the building next to my old job. To make sure that it classifies as looper material, I must include the iterations: http://www.amigothornot.com http://www.amipresidentornot.com There are probably others that I am not aware of. Of course, assign a number to the face of a stranger and then repeat does count as a loop. Should we ask them to start an 'amigasornot' site, where you post pictures of your gear? bIz On Tuesday, November 28, 2000 12:41 PM, rich [SMTP:rich@nuvisionsca.com] wrote: > oh guys, do check out this site. > > think about it. A grand for a full blown Repeater with memory cards > and a nice midi foot controller, or a grand to be a hip, techie, san > francisco scenester, with new shoes to boot? > > the blue pill or the red pill? > > pet the pelts of possiblility...hmmmm... > > rich > > > > > > >> Why is the solution to all my problems "more gear?" ;-) > >> > > > >Because you haven't heard of this site: > > > >http://www.geekboyservices.com/ > > > > > >bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 17:26:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15778; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:23:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:23:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <14884.12289.560934.471436@localhost.localdomain> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:21:53 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Peck To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com cc: rpeck@rpeck.com Subject: Re: Eventide programming list In-Reply-To: <200011281728.MAA07527@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200011281728.MAA07527@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.47 under Emacs 19.34.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I do presets design and beta testing for the factory so I'm in touch with >Gilfix and personally with lots of users to do "customers support"...this >means immediate communication of any new issue regarding Eventides...please >man, GO AHEAD!!! OK, great! Will do. I'll let the list know when it's set up. >BTW, what model do you use? My direct e-mail: italoop@hotmail.com Orville. Special thanks to JB for turning me on to it! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "I don't even have an e-mail address. I have reached an age where my main purpose is not to receive messages." - Umberto Eco From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 17:33:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16058; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:32:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:32:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.178.56] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Eventide programming list Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:29:38 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2000 22:29:38.0303 (UTC) FILETIME=[B166B0F0:01C0598A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ray...GREAT! Get my preset from the list. BTW, who is JB? soon Italoop >From: Ray Peck >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >CC: rpeck@rpeck.com >Subject: Re: Eventide programming list >Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:21:53 -0800 (PST) > > >I do presets design and beta testing for the factory so I'm in touch with > >Gilfix and personally with lots of users to do "customers support"...this > >means immediate communication of any new issue regarding >Eventides...please > >man, GO AHEAD!!! > >OK, great! Will do. I'll let the list know when it's set up. > > >BTW, what model do you use? My direct e-mail: italoop@hotmail.com > >Orville. > >Special thanks to JB for turning me on to it! > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >"I don't even have an e-mail address. I have reached an age where my >main purpose is not to receive messages." - Umberto Eco > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 18:59:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17645; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 18:55:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 18:55:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <14884.17811.331644.607447@localhost.localdomain> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:53:55 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Peck To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looping with Reaktor (was: RE: MAX and MIDI and Looping) X-Mailer: VM 6.47 under Emacs 19.34.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "J. Miranda V." >Dude, any chance you might share that 4-channel software looper? How would >that work on my end? Do I need Reaktor too? I believe you need Reaktor to run it, although I haven't looked into their new Dynamo product; perhaps it will run under Dynamo. I'd be happy to go find the patches and share them, if you can use them. Really, it's trivial to build these things with Reaktor, though. . . You can build the thing to run however *you* want to work, which is what I love about contruction kits like Reaktor and the Orville. If you want loops in bars/beats, you can do that. If you want loops in time, you can do that. If you want tap tempo, or loops synced to MIDI clock, you can do that, too. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "I've had a perfectly wonderful evening... But this wasn't it." - Groucho Marx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 19:06:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17968; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:05:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:05:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <14884.18419.315943.314567@localhost.localdomain> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:04:03 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Peck To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new Eventide Users mailing list at egroups X-Mailer: VM 6.47 under Emacs 19.34.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've created a group for Eventide users and programmers at egroups. To join go to: http://www.egroups.com/group/eventide-users I'm hoping for lots of Loopers-related content as it ramps up. Hope to see you there! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "'To express myself' is perhaps the most suspect of reasons for the creation of music or other art. Those who cite it as their motivation typically have no real self to express, much less one whose expression is worth sharing with others." - rpeck, 18feb98 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 28 19:51:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19191; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:50:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:50:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.1.4.2.20001128184849.00bd71b0@midiwall.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.1 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 18:48:56 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: re: Vortex, Time Machines, & Midi + Ensign Pulver..Report to the bridge! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh-oh... I've been bad... I blew right by this message without seeing my name being so viciously attacked, shredded and misused! :) Marbles Away! If you don't get the marbles reference, you need to see the movie "Ensign Pulver". :) (thanks for pointing this out to me hon! um, not you John, but my better half is a lurker on the list) >From: John Tidwell HI JOHN! >If Mark Pulver(our resident analogue synth geek & >CV-5 expert) is listening, maybe he can add a couple >of cents toward using the CV-5 for purposes other than >that which it was designed for. It seems like you >ought >to be able to do something with gates & triggers & >portamento, even if you don't own an analogue synth. >Motivate one's cat I suppose. :) Personally, I'm all for extended kitty motivation... :) I basically use my CV-5 with a modular synth rig that other convertors wouldn't touch due to it tracking at 1.2v/oct instead of the more normal 1v/octave. With the multiple CV outs on the box, then I can do the normal stuff like filter sweeps and all that. I can also get control over the sequencer tracking speed, LFO speed (on the modular, outside of the CV-5) and misc other things. If you're looking for the exotic, hmmm... Have you seen Kyle's application notes? http://www.tiac.net/users/jkjelec/apps04.htm The CV-5's LFO can sync to MIDI clock and run on a defined multiples of the clock. So, you can do things like get a tap tempo only sync up with a MIDI clock. Or, run through sync'd patch changes. :) This can have limited usefulness, since you're only changing in one direction, but having a bank of patches loaded in a device which are similar (yet different!) can yield some good results. The LFO has a "balanced square" option where the waveform is centered on zero (bipolar). I'm not one to know about patch change circuits, but if a positive voltage means up, and a negative voltage means down, then this could be fun. Look at running your sound source through a filter that has CV controllable resonance (the Big Briar MF-101 for example), as well as cutoff. Pushing resonance along with cutoff via MIDI can add a lot to any performance. Outside of using a looping device like the EDP or Digitech, look at some of the CV'd analog delay lines that are around. The CV-5 can easily drive things like delay time, delay mix, regeneration, etc. Yes, you can do a lot of these types of things with a MIDI'd delay, but the result in doing them with an analog delay is MUCH more "musically pleasant" to my ears. You have to start thinking in the world of CV and remembering that you have a box which will do cyclic CV things in sync with the MIDI world. As such, look around at edge pushing modules like those from John Blacet: http://www.blacet.com Check the Time Machine (the TM2050). John is a "nut case" when it comes to delay lines and there is more CV fun in this box than any other delay line I know of. Run the CV-5's sequencer GATE control in the "mod mix". Set the sequencer up for 1/8th notes, and play a repeating line. Every 8th note will get a full dose of delay. Set up the X-15 to generate MIDI CC #16, then run a cable from the C16 output on the CV-5 to the regen control on the Time Machine. Mash the pedal full on, and you'll get a line that you can bounce over on command. Check John's Klang Werk which is a ring modulator. The CV inputs let you control the pitch of the carrier wave. You can get a _tracking_ ring mod by doing this, which is a lot different than your classic ring mod "noize" :). btw, if you're into ring modulators, then also check into Big Briar's MF-102, and the Frostwave box. The MF-102 is probably the cleanest ring modulator I have ever heard, and if you like the concept of a tracking ring mod, then this is the best choice. Back to Blacet... With basically CV control over it's entire world, check the Dark Star Chaos. Among other fun, this little module can be an INCREDIBLE beats generator - just stuff that you haven't heard before. Forget straight beats, you can get them here, but the fun is letting the module kinda' run. You can follow it, and using the CV-5 you can sync it. :) This is the kind of stuff that I use stand-alone MIDI->CV boxes for. Oh... LFO Speed wise... Drop Kyle a line and mention this... he may be able to help you out. Kyle Jarger Hope that helps some! Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 04:27:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA29682; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 04:23:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 04:23:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A2377A0.F123D681@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:15:12 -0800 From: Rick Walker Organization: Loop.pooL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: what are ORVILLE and DYNAMO? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9lYqx.A.EPH.5rMJ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pardon my naivite, but what exactly are ORVILLE and DYNAMO? Where can I find out about them? yours, Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 05:14:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA30340; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:06:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:06:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009601c059ec$00b527c0$0601a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: , "lance glover" References: Subject: Re: OT: gate-checking Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:06:06 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <41DM7B.A.LZH.ZUNJ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree with the UPS method - seems like they actually have some responsibility - though one has to have friends in the target city to assist with it. I find myself remembering a bit in Chuck Berry's (Keith Richards') movie "Hail Hail Rock n' Roll", where Chuck's walking through St. Louis airport with just his guitar in a regular case, and he's being asked about what he's taking with him... He says something to the effect of "change of clothes and the guitar," then when asked about damage, he says, "Hey, it's a business expense!" referring of course to his ongoing persecution by the IRS. Gotta hand it to him, his "band" is always the local band, and it's THEIR amps and stuff. He just brings the guitar and some picks. Sigh. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! "r. dennis" put forth: > greetings flyers! > > funny how much it varies... > i managed to cram all my 9v pedals + boomerang into > one of those roll-y flight attendant style things for a couple > of trips to the left coast this year. > > > sometimes you get stopped - sometimes not. > yes, the chip in the boomerang will give the > snooper a bit of a hard on. > > i did learn about a magical little item called > the "SPECIAL HANDLING" tag, but they generally > won't give you one if you ask for it. this get > slapped onto bags that are being checked at the gate > rather than at checkin- along with stuff like strollers. > > i did have to wonder how "special" the handling would be... > > watch out for short legs especially. aircraft like > the increasingly popular "canadair regional jet" have > NO o/h bins! then again... they only seat 48 passengers... > but it goes to show that you can't always count on certain > common amenities... on a leg i flew from newark/columbus > they looked at my roll-yand said "you'll have to check that item", > and then pointed out the window at a plane that was scarcely as big a > suburban! > > in the past i've UPS'd a bunch of stuff ahead to the > home or work of an understanding individual at the first > city on the tour, then taken the rest aboard & gone > pot luck on borrowed/rented amps & axes. > > which is no way to run an airline, let me tell you. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 07:18:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA32266; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 07:12:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 07:12:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c059fd$6467dc20$2fd0fc3e@default> From: "Martin Shakeshaft" To: Subject: Looping Visual effects? Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:10:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C059FD.639E71A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C059FD.639E71A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First let me apologise for being slightly off topic. I play a Yamaha Windsynth with a Lexicon Jamman and a Line 6 DL4. The = music is best described as a loopy ethnic, jazz fusion. Part of my day = job involves working with Video..so my next plan for world domination is = to combine my musical performances and video work together. Does anyone know of a Windows programme that will give me visual effects = from a sound source. Something like the colour screens in Music Match = Jukebox. It would also be nice if the files could be saved a avi files, = but I expect that is asking too much. Has anyone else attempted anything like this? I would be interested in = hearing your experiences. Cheers Martin ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C059FD.639E71A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

First let me apologise for being slightly off topic.

I play a Yamaha Windsynth with a Lexicon Jamman and a Line 6 DL4. The = music=20 is best described as a loopy ethnic, jazz fusion. Part of my day job = involves=20 working with Video….so my next plan for world domination is to = combine my=20 musical performances and video work together.

Does anyone know of a Windows programme that will give me visual = effects from=20 a sound source. Something like the colour screens in Music Match = Jukebox. It=20 would also be nice if the files could be saved a avi files, but I expect = that is=20 asking too much.

Has anyone else attempted anything like this? I would be interested = in=20 hearing your experiences.

Cheers

Martin

------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C059FD.639E71A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 08:08:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00892; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:03:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:03:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001201c05a04$a8f26200$0601a8c0@stephen> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <001a01c059fd$6467dc20$2fd0fc3e@default> Subject: Re: Looping Visual effects? Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:02:38 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've used the Psychedelic Screen Saver (http://synthesoft.com) to good effect on the performances I've put on. Presently I'm working on some video tapes using the same, to be broadcast eventually on netthistv.com, which is friendly to relatively undiscovered folks like myself. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! From: Martin Shakeshaft Does anyone know of a Windows programme that will give me visual effects from a sound source. Something like the colour screens in Music Match Jukebox. It would also be nice if the files could be saved a avi files, but I expect that is asking too much. Has anyone else attempted anything like this? I would be interested in hearing your experiences. Cheers Martin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 09:19:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02294; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:13:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:13:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c05a0f$bfe885b0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> From: "Pulse 8" To: , , , , , Subject: coming close to closing deal on Kenton Products Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:21:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I writing about people interested in Kenton products. If you've considered purchasing a Little MCV by Philip Rees(anywhere from 90$ [used on ebay] to 130$ themselves), the Kenton Pro Solo is a much superior product. I found a dealer who is doing a special request order for me, specifically for me a Kenton Pro Solo. We have five people already grouped together for this order. The deal is if you order 3 kenton products, he'll pay for your import shipping fees, thus you get them at kenton's suggested price (i've seen the kenton pro solo as high as 299$ in the us, and the lowest price being 175$ I'm expecting to pay about 130$ for it through this special order from this authorized dealer.) The way he'll be able to offer these at rock bottom prices, is by dividing up the shipping fees amongst us, so the more people we have order, and the more products we order, the cheaper the price. This might be the cheapest you'll ever be able to buy one of these. Dealer does accept paypal (I'm trying to get him hooked up with exchangepath too if you're a user of that). I expect for the order to be placed on Monday. Please let me know as soon as possible if you're interested. Please e/mail me at ozone@ticnet.com and I'll provide you with the information to contact this dealer. sorry, hope noone takes offense to this and assumes it's spam, i'm hoping to just be able to pass this deal off to others who would have a serious need for kenton products (they're excellent, sturdy, and very flexible!) Thanks, Joshua Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 - Pulse 8 Music Project http://www.egroups.com/community/loopoftheday - Free Loop Of The Day http://www.egroups.com/community/sampleoftheday - Free Sample Of The Day http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey - Personal Home Page From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 10:49:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04049; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:47:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:47:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Theresa McGlothlin To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:40:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <858jED.A.l-.ATSJ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unsubscribe -----Original Message----- From: Pulse 8 [mailto:ozone@ticnet.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 9:22 AM To: MusiciansDFW@egroups.com; sh-101@egroups.com; analogue@hyperreal.org; loopoftheday@egroups.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; IDM-Making@egroups.com Subject: coming close to closing deal on Kenton Products Hello, I writing about people interested in Kenton products. If you've considered purchasing a Little MCV by Philip Rees(anywhere from 90$ [used on ebay] to 130$ themselves), the Kenton Pro Solo is a much superior product. I found a dealer who is doing a special request order for me, specifically for me a Kenton Pro Solo. We have five people already grouped together for this order. The deal is if you order 3 kenton products, he'll pay for your import shipping fees, thus you get them at kenton's suggested price (i've seen the kenton pro solo as high as 299$ in the us, and the lowest price being 175$ I'm expecting to pay about 130$ for it through this special order from this authorized dealer.) The way he'll be able to offer these at rock bottom prices, is by dividing up the shipping fees amongst us, so the more people we have order, and the more products we order, the cheaper the price. This might be the cheapest you'll ever be able to buy one of these. Dealer does accept paypal (I'm trying to get him hooked up with exchangepath too if you're a user of that). I expect for the order to be placed on Monday. Please let me know as soon as possible if you're interested. Please e/mail me at ozone@ticnet.com and I'll provide you with the information to contact this dealer. sorry, hope noone takes offense to this and assumes it's spam, i'm hoping to just be able to pass this deal off to others who would have a serious need for kenton products (they're excellent, sturdy, and very flexible!) Thanks, Joshua Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 - Pulse 8 Music Project http://www.egroups.com/community/loopoftheday - Free Loop Of The Day http://www.egroups.com/community/sampleoftheday - Free Sample Of The Day http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey - Personal Home Page From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 10:55:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04367; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:54:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:54:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix6.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:53:35 -0500 (EST) From: "r. dennis" To: "Stephen P. Goodman" Cc: "looper's delight" , lance glover Subject: Re: OT: gate-checking In-Reply-To: <009601c059ec$00b527c0$0601a8c0@stephen> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: > Gottahand it to him, his "band" is always the local band, and it's THEIR amps and > stuff. He just brings the guitar and some picks. > AND gets paid up front! re: UPS shipments to taget cities - let it also be said that i overinsure like a bastard. having worked a loading dock or 2 in my time, i've seen what a havoc a conveyor belt can cause. in that i do use a tt & several many records in my act it's the only way i can get over until i'm more self-mobile. ok! rbrt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 11:53:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05723; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:51:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:51:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:46:50 -0800 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: what are ORVILLE and DYNAMO? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA05540 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rick... The Orville is an Eventide product... their newest, incredibly powerful flagship dsp. We have several Orville evangelists on this list. If you want powerful HARDWARE, you probably can't get much better, although I'm sure there are proponents of other boxes who might want to chime in here. Remember... this is a looping list! 8-) Dynamo is a software package from the German company Native Instruments. I believe that Dynamo is a smaller version of Reaktor, (please correct me if I'm wrong gang!) which seems to be their main package. They also have a few virtual instruments such as their B4 (Hammond Tone Wheel Organ simulation) and a few others. Native Instruments Reaktor is a collection of "instruments", many of which are similar (some more so than others) to existing popular synths... There are also many beat generating instruments as well. They say you can design effects in there as well, and it sounds like it came up on this list because someone has been able to design functional loopers in it. I don't own any of the NI stuff yet, but believe me... after all I've heard, Reaktor is second on my list (right after the necessary sequencing / audio package... probably Cubase VST). I can't wait to finally have a DAW setup... Best, -Miko >>> GLOBAL@cruzio.com 11/29/00 01:23AM >>> Pardon my naivite, but what exactly are ORVILLE and DYNAMO? Where can I find out about them? yours, Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 13:02:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07079; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:59:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:59:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C059EB.9C324260.Jonathan@full-moon.com> From: "Jonathan@full-moon.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: what are ORVILLE and DYNAMO? Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:03:22 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <78GlqB.A.vtB.0OUJ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dynamo is a bunch of software synths built in Reaktor. Reaktor is a virtual synthesis development environment - it's like a virtual modular synth, only you can build the modules. Dynamo can't do any building however. bIz > Dynamo is a software package from the German company Native Instruments. I believe that Dynamo is a smaller version of Reaktor, (please correct me if I'm wrong gang!) which seems to be their main package. They also have a few virtual instruments such as their B4 (Hammond Tone Wheel Organ simulation) and a few others. > > Native Instruments Reaktor is a collection of "instruments", many of which are similar (some more so than others) to existing popular synths... There are also many beat generating instruments as well. They say you can design effects in there as well, and it sounds like it came up on this list because someone has been able to design functional loopers in it. > > I don't own any of the NI stuff yet, but believe me... after all I've heard, Reaktor is second on my list (right after the necessary sequencing / audio package... probably Cubase VST). I can't wait to finally have a DAW setup... > > Best, > -Miko > > >>> GLOBAL@cruzio.com 11/29/00 01:23AM >>> > Pardon my naivite, but what exactly are ORVILLE and DYNAMO? Where can I > find out about them? yours, Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 14:09:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09170; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:05:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:05:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013d01c05a36$5f558d70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: used Kyma Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:58:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (Slightly OT) I saw this used Kyma system on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=513079117 Price: $1900 w/ PCI card interface Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 16:23:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12584; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:19:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:19:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:41:53 +0000 Subject: Transporting pedals From: Victor and Jess To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA12500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Apologies if this has been covered before - I¹m new to the list and couldn't find info on the archive. Please don't flame me if this is old ground but I have an urgent need to get this sorted out. Squirting into my JamMan/Digitech loopers, I have a pedal board, custom built with a single power supply. Great at gigs - very quick to set up. Problem is that the board has been flown (in its flight case) twice in the past year and each time, the power supply has been trashed. Does anyone have any tips/experience of really rugged, practical pedal board solutions? SKB do a board but it looks a bit flimsy to me. Many commercial boards still have crappy wires/wallwarts to connect to the mains (my board has a heavy duty mains cable attached to the power supply by an XLR connector). I know that the ideal solution would be to take the electronics into the plane with me, but I have to take my bass on board (and a small bag containing my irreplaceable original Whammy pedal). The JamMan and Digitech loopers go into a SKB flightcase and so far, no problems...(maybe this is a different post altogether!) Any ideas? Thanks victor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 17:18:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13912; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:15:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:15:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A257F7B.E834CB9E@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:13:14 -0800 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping Visual effects? References: <001a01c059fd$6467dc20$2fd0fc3e@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I used to use this software: http://vidvox.net/ but it is for the mac OS. Not sure if anything exists for windows. Mark Sottilaro Martin Shakeshaft wrote: > First let me apologise for being slightly off topic. > > I play a Yamaha Windsynth with a Lexicon Jamman and a Line 6 DL4. The > music is best described as a loopy ethnic, jazz fusion. Part of my day > job involves working with VideoÖ.so my next plan for world domination > is to combine my musical performances and video work together. > > Does anyone know of a Windows programme that will give me visual > effects from a sound source. Something like the colour screens in > Music Match Jukebox. It would also be nice if the files could be saved > a avi files, but I expect that is asking too much. > > Has anyone else attempted anything like this? I would be interested in > hearing your experiences. > > Cheers > > Martin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 20:10:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17485; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:07:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:07:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A25A771.4E8ACB1B@turino.ch> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 02:03:44 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= Reply-To: jesus@turino.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,de-CH MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Transporting pedals References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi > > Apologies if this has been covered before - I1m new to the list and couldn't > find info on the archive. Please don't flame me if this is old ground but I > have an urgent need to get into a SKB flightcase and so far, no > problems...(maybe this is a > different post altogether!) > > Any ideas? > > Thanks > victor =8-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 29 21:18:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19064; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:16:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:16:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 02:17:08 +0000 Subject: Re: Transporting pedals From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try www.pedalboard.com, they sell a versatile power supply that should handle all of your pedals and are designed to endure life on the road. Martin Shellard > From: Victor and Jess > Hi > > Does anyone have any tips/experience of really rugged, practical pedal board > solutions? SKB do a board but it looks a bit flimsy to me. Many commercial > boards still have crappy wires/wallwarts to connect to the mains (my board > has a heavy duty mains cable attached to the power supply by an XLR > connector). > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 14:05:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31452; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:56:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:56:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A26A1B4.264469D4@magi.com> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:51:32 -0500 From: Dave X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping Visual effects? References: <001a01c059fd$6467dc20$2fd0fc3e@default> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------79ADB267C842B1DFD2DF20E1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------79ADB267C842B1DFD2DF20E1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I once did a show using some wiamp visualizations, one in particular "geiss", I believe worked quite well. You just run it on screen save mode, and there is an option to select either the line in on your soundcard or for it to run off mp3's on your computer. We just ran a line from the board into the soundcard and it worked great Dave Martin Shakeshaft wrote: > First let me apologise for being slightly off topic. > > I play a Yamaha Windsynth with a Lexicon Jamman and a Line 6 DL4. The > music is best described as a loopy ethnic, jazz fusion. Part of my day > job involves working with Video….so my next plan for world domination > is to combine my musical performances and video work together. > > Does anyone know of a Windows programme that will give me visual > effects from a sound source. Something like the colour screens in > Music Match Jukebox. It would also be nice if the files could be saved > a avi files, but I expect that is asking too much. > > Has anyone else attempted anything like this? I would be interested in > hearing your experiences. > > Cheers > > Martin --------------79ADB267C842B1DFD2DF20E1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I once did a show using  some wiamp visualizations, one in particular "geiss", I believe worked quite well.  You just run it on screen save mode, and there is an option to select either the line in on your soundcard or for it to run off mp3's on your computer.

We just ran a line from the board into the soundcard and it worked great

Dave

Martin Shakeshaft wrote:

First let me apologise for being slightly off topic.

I play a Yamaha Windsynth with a Lexicon Jamman and a Line 6 DL4. The music is best described as a loopy ethnic, jazz fusion. Part of my day job involves working with Video….so my next plan for world domination is to combine my musical performances and video work together.

Does anyone know of a Windows programme that will give me visual effects from a sound source. Something like the colour screens in Music Match Jukebox. It would also be nice if the files could be saved a avi files, but I expect that is asking too much.

Has anyone else attempted anything like this? I would be interested in hearing your experiences.

Cheers

Martin

--------------79ADB267C842B1DFD2DF20E1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 22:24:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08651; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:22:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:22:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A2719B0.53672DF6@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:23:29 -0600 From: konarsteenberg Reply-To: konarsteenberg@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: help with sick Digitech pds2700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <57h7iB.A.kGC.MkxJ6@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello looping friends. I have a tale of woe that I hope the more technologically sophisticated among you might be able to help me cope with. I have a PDS 2700 which I adore and which is now (temporarily I hope) silenced by an unknown malady. It started with loud hum that would suddenly kick in in the middle of my playing for no apparent reason. It was loud enough to overpower the guitar signal. To get rid of it, I would unplug and replug the adapter (9 volt, not the recommended 10 volt). Sometimes it took two or three such hard resets to get rid of the noise. Then one day Mr. Green just stopped putting out any signal at all. The LEDs still light up as if everything is fine, but no signal goes through to the amp, not even the accursed hum. I opened it up and don't see any loose connections, just a lot of intimidating integrated circuitry. One curious item -- the stereo output appears to have only one lead. In any event, I am hoping against hope that someone may have suggestions for repair/troubleshooting. Could the 9v adapter have caused the problem? The unit currently doesn't work with batteries any better than with an adapter. Thanks in advance for your looper compassion. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 30 23:47:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09785; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:46:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:46:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A25D9A8.84FA2D3A@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:38:00 -0800 From: Rick Walker Organization: Loop.pooL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: Looping Visualeffects Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Its' extraordinarily cheesy, but Fruity Loops Pro (the greatest, simplest most intuitive virtual drum machine in the world and I have programmed most of them over the past 20 years) has a color organ that goes with it. If you figure out the BPM of your loop and put the loop in with just one trigger per measure, the color organ will groove on down with you. Seriously, the drum machine rocks: it uses any .wav files you have and has a ton of simple and quick processing options. I use it with my looping material a lot. yours, Rick Walker PS If you discover anything else, will you please e-mail me back with it?