From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 04:29:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01323; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 04:28:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 04:28:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ce01c02b81$6a135000$699ebcd4@oemcomputer> From: "Lee Fletcher" To: Subject: The Cult Of : Bibbiboo (Interactive CD Project) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 09:27:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Loopers, May I draw your attention to a new interactive project by German experimentalists Centrozoon. For those who may be unfamiliar, this duo consists of (fellow list member, and touchstyle / loop connoisseur) Markus Reuter who plays Warr guitar, and synthesist Bernhard Wostheinrich. 'The Cult Of : Bibbiboo' is currently at the mixing stage, and you are duly invited to check-out the latest samples of this work in progress at http://www.centrozoon.de/status.html and leave your comments. Those of you who own a copy of 'The European Loop Project' will already be familiar with the band's sonic pallet, but these guys don't hang around... Their debut album 'Blast' (released earlier this year on the DiN label) proffered a more expansive side to their sound, and 'Bibbibo' continues the forward thrust into a new space. In an unprecedented move, the production team are sending out an open invitation for listeners to join 'the cult' and help gear-up for the hatching of Bibbiboo!... Centrozoon goodies are on offer as prizes, but even if you'd rather not participate - all are welcome to watch and listen as the music grows :-) To sample the 'divine beast' go to http://www.centrozoon.de. Thanks. Regards, Lee Fletcher From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 11:44:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12594; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:43:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:43:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001001154113.2204.qmail@web6304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 08:41:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: EDP smooth next loop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm close but I want to be perfect. When I hit next loop, I'd like the next loop to come in with the precision of a sequencer. One thing I have tried is making sure the "1/4 note" is at the beginging of the loop. Or: How do you make a loop that has 8 cycles, change to the next loop, only after all 8 cycles have played? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 13:23:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15178; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:20:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:20:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 13:17:38 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: EDP smooth next loop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007401c02bd3$e263a990$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <20001001154113.2204.qmail@web6304.mail.yahoo.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <5LRol.A.AtD.CJ315@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm close but I want to be perfect. good luck... > How do you make a loop that has 8 cycles, change > to the next loop, only after all 8 cycles have played? what you want is switchquant. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 14:49:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16617; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:47:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:47:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c02bd7$f2f55020$11bcd8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <7b.a2d7c64.27052372@aol.com> <001001c02a0c$8fbee380$cda0d8cc@gary> <000d01c02af0$922fd5e0$46bcd8cc@gary> Subject: Blues are Multiplyin' Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:46:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results The song I am constructing is a blues. I play a figure for the first phrase, the "I" chord, which is two bars in length. I allow it to play one additional time (a vamp). I hit multiply, and the "song" begins. After the second cycle begins and bar 3 or 4 of the "song" is playing, I hit insert and when bar 5 begins, I am in insert mode and I play a "IV" chord figure for two bars which is a bluesy IV figure vague enough to pass for either an IV or a I7#9 (trust me). Around bar 6 or so I hit multiply again and when bar 7 arrives, I am treated to two bars of "I", the original cycle. I allow this to continue through bar 8--I press insert during bar 8, and when bar 9 arrives, I play the "V" chord for two bars, pressing multiply during bar 10. When bar 10 arrives, it delivers THE SECOND CYCLE! and during bar 12 I hit multiply. Are you with me? At this point I start adding cycles every other time as before--insert, multiply--but when I press multiply, it delivers THE FIRST CYCLE! So now I know what to expect but I still don't know why. I am content to let this thread die, but if anyone else comes up with a clue as to the nature of this phenomenon, give a shout. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 15:07:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17132; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:06:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:06:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 12:05:02 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: I need a better sounding sampler than a Boomerang! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA17109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wait!!!! The Boomerang upgrade increases the audio quality of the unit... get the upgrade and enjoy the thing. It should be comparable at that point to the JamMan if not better. -Miko >>> tcn62@ici.net 09/30/00 09:21AM >>> At 10:36 AM 9/30/00 -0400, you wrote: >Are these other devices(Jamman, Echoplex) that much better (than the Boomerang)? >Can you hear the difference in quality with these other devices? It all depends on what you want to do with it. Check the specs in the Tools of the Trade section of the LD site, and you can compare the respective sampling rates. You'll find that the Boomerang is one of the lowest in terms of sampling rate (hence your complaints with the sound quality), yet is quite flexible and has a nice long loop time. (The upgraded version is even more flexible.) On the other end of the spectrum, the Akai Headrush has an excellent sampling rate and sounds great, but is severely limited in loop time and functionality. Yes, you CAN hear a difference in sound quality between many of these units, but again, depending on what you want to do with your looper(s) the other features may be the deciding factor. They've all got pros and cons; the EDP arguably blows away most of the competition in terms of depth and features, but it can be hard to get one; reports of service and reliability issues are probably grossly inflated, but they're there nonetheless. Lexicon bailed on the Jamman long ago, so you'll be hunting for an overpriced used one. The Line6 DL4 is loved or hated, depending on who you ask. Check out the Tools of the Trade section, and compare the user reviews and overall features (sampling rate, overdub capability, loop time, upgradeability, user interface differences, rackmount v.s. floor, MIDI features or the lack thereof, cost/value, et cetera) and you'll get a better feel for which one is most appropriate for your needs. Also, the list archive is LOADED with user reactions; search around the time each new box or upgrade came out and you'll find tons of answers to your questions. Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 15:30:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17663; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:29:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:29:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D78337.74A1B931@sigecom.net> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 14:32:24 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I need a better sounding sampler than a Boomerang! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where do I buy the upgrade chip. Are you sure your not talking about the upgrade for loop length? So it increases the sample rate? I wonder by how much. Boomerang corp does not returrn my calls so I can't seem to get an answer. Mike Biffle wrote: > Wait!!!! The Boomerang upgrade increases the audio quality of the unit... get the upgrade and enjoy the thing. It should be comparable at that point to the JamMan if not better. > > -Miko > > >>> tcn62@ici.net 09/30/00 09:21AM >>> > At 10:36 AM 9/30/00 -0400, you wrote: > >Are these other devices(Jamman, Echoplex) that much better (than the > Boomerang)? > >Can you hear the difference in quality with these other devices? > > It all depends on what you want to do with it. Check the specs in the Tools > of the Trade section of the LD site, and you can compare the respective > sampling rates. You'll find that the Boomerang is one of the lowest in > terms of sampling rate (hence your complaints with the sound quality), yet > is quite flexible and has a nice long loop time. (The upgraded version is > even more flexible.) On the other end of the spectrum, the Akai Headrush > has an excellent sampling rate and sounds great, but is severely limited in > loop time and functionality. Yes, you CAN hear a difference in sound > quality between many of these units, but again, depending on what you want > to do with your looper(s) the other features may be the deciding factor. > They've all got pros and cons; the EDP arguably blows away most of the > competition in terms of depth and features, but it can be hard to get one; > reports of service and reliability issues are probably grossly inflated, > but they're there nonetheless. Lexicon bailed on the Jamman long ago, so > you'll be hunting for an overpriced used one. The Line6 DL4 is loved or > hated, depending on who you ask. Check out the Tools of the Trade section, > and compare the user reviews and overall features (sampling rate, overdub > capability, loop time, upgradeability, user interface differences, > rackmount v.s. floor, MIDI features or the lack thereof, cost/value, et > cetera) and you'll get a better feel for which one is most appropriate for > your needs. Also, the list archive is LOADED with user reactions; search > around the time each new box or upgrade came out and you'll find tons of > answers to your questions. > > Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 16:40:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19077; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:39:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:39:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 13:38:01 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: I need a better sounding sampler than a Boomerang! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA19055 Resent-Message-ID: <61YRcD.A.6pE.lD615@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com email Mike Nelson @ Boomerang... he's a regular poster to LD and you'll be able to find his email address in the LD archives. Sorry, I don't have it on my system. -Miko >>> zing@sigecom.net 10/01/00 12:29PM >>> Where do I buy the upgrade chip. Are you sure your not talking about the upgrade for loop length? So it increases the sample rate? I wonder by how much. Boomerang corp does not returrn my calls so I can't seem to get an answer. Mike Biffle wrote: > Wait!!!! The Boomerang upgrade increases the audio quality of the unit... get the upgrade and enjoy the thing. It should be comparable at that point to the JamMan if not better. > > -Miko > > >>> tcn62@ici.net 09/30/00 09:21AM >>> > At 10:36 AM 9/30/00 -0400, you wrote: > >Are these other devices(Jamman, Echoplex) that much better (than the > Boomerang)? > >Can you hear the difference in quality with these other devices? > > It all depends on what you want to do with it. Check the specs in the Tools > of the Trade section of the LD site, and you can compare the respective > sampling rates. You'll find that the Boomerang is one of the lowest in > terms of sampling rate (hence your complaints with the sound quality), yet > is quite flexible and has a nice long loop time. (The upgraded version is > even more flexible.) On the other end of the spectrum, the Akai Headrush > has an excellent sampling rate and sounds great, but is severely limited in > loop time and functionality. Yes, you CAN hear a difference in sound > quality between many of these units, but again, depending on what you want > to do with your looper(s) the other features may be the deciding factor. > They've all got pros and cons; the EDP arguably blows away most of the > competition in terms of depth and features, but it can be hard to get one; > reports of service and reliability issues are probably grossly inflated, > but they're there nonetheless. Lexicon bailed on the Jamman long ago, so > you'll be hunting for an overpriced used one. The Line6 DL4 is loved or > hated, depending on who you ask. Check out the Tools of the Trade section, > and compare the user reviews and overall features (sampling rate, overdub > capability, loop time, upgradeability, user interface differences, > rackmount v.s. floor, MIDI features or the lack thereof, cost/value, et > cetera) and you'll get a better feel for which one is most appropriate for > your needs. Also, the list archive is LOADED with user reactions; search > around the time each new box or upgrade came out and you'll find tons of > answers to your questions. > > Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 17:31:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20052; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:30:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:30:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:29:45 EDT Subject: Re: I need a better sounding sampler than a Boomerang! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com scott...............mnelson@dmans.com this will get you mike nelson at boomerang..........the rang went from 12KHz to 24 KHz all samples 16 bits........hope this helps......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 17:32:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20077; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:31:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:31:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20001001162924.007f38a0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 16:29:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: EDP Question - How Do I? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi! I have an Oberheim Echoplex (that has never given me a problem - TG). I want to record a loop and then loop over that loop, thus adding textures, etc. But, I only want the first loop to play. I don't want to record on top of it via Loop Copy, Multiply, Overdub or some other means. So, loop 1 is the foundational piece while other loops are created (elsewhere) as loop 1 plays by itself, unaffected by the other loops. Can I do this with one EDP? Thanks, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 17:45:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20663; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:44:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:44:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:26:22 -0400 To: ambient@hyperreal.org, electronic_music@egroups.com, idm@hyperreal.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: "Oceanic' Music wanted for video projects Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I'm looking for music that might be described to use for some immersive video pieces that will involve VJ mixes of overlaid multiple images of natural scenes -- water, flowers, fire, etc. It is (as always-:) hard to describe ones musical desires in words, but here goes! I'm looking for richly textured, slowly evolving soundscapes (rhythmic or not -- I'm somewhat partial to echoy lines from ethnic percussion instruments such as tablas, but thats just a hint) that are more interesting musically and that's than the $%^& that usually passes for New Age, but that are sufficiently pleasant so as not to put off viewer/listeners who are not used to really challenging and grating sounds (e.g. people who actually like New Age music). OK, its a tall order, and since I've yet to figure out how to make any money from these tapes, I don't have much to offer but the glory, and, of course, a copy of the tapes. Please email me off-list if you are interested. Thanks. "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 18:52:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21723; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:50:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:50:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c02c46$854e2dc0$4adee2c1@absolute> From: "Adam Davidson" To: Subject: echoplex for sale Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 00:58:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C02C0B.D7E2C7C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C02C0B.D7E2C7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, i'd sell my Echoplex DP Pro with its pedalboard. this model is one year old (i know some may not believe it, but im not kidding, i can prove it), and i think the last unit ever made. so, this is in good condition. i think i'd like to get about 800 USD for the whole. 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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C02C0B.D7E2C7C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 19:39:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22641; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:38:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:38:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D7CC0F.5942DE02@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 16:46:39 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Question - How Do I? References: <3.0.3.32.20001001162924.007f38a0@mail.airmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael Clark wrote: > Hi! > > I have an Oberheim Echoplex (that has never given me a problem - TG). > > I want to record a loop and then loop over that loop, thus adding textures, > etc. But, I only want the first loop to play. I don't want to record on > top of it via Loop Copy, Multiply, Overdub or some other means. So, loop 1 > is the foundational piece while other loops are created (elsewhere) as loop > 1 plays by itself, unaffected by the other loops. > > Can I do this with one EDP? > > Thanks, > > Michael interesting. intuitively my guess is that you would need two 'plexi (or sum'other flavor of looper; your "elsewhere") to be able to maintain a loop that is unnaffected by new material that loops. you of course can just play over the existing loop w/out recording, but you want loops to happen, not just live events, correct? anyone able to do this w/ one machine? lance g. ps k.o.w. my edp is trouble-free as well (is that asking for it or what!) :-/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 19:49:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22946; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:48:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:48:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 15:55:49 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: I need a better sounding sampler than a Boomerang! In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:29 PM -0700 10/1/00, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >scott...............mnelson@dmans.com this will get you mike nelson >at boomerang..........the rang went from 12KHz to 24 KHz all samples 16 >bits........hope this helps......michael actually, I understood it was a bit better than that. I think the original is 16KHz sample rate, and with the upgrade there is a mode to double that to 32KHz (at half the loop time). This is the same sample quality as the JamMan. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 23:30:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26013; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:28:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:28:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D7F38E.8207149C@sigecom.net> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 22:31:43 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I need a better sounding sampler than a Boomerang! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any idea how much $? I can't seem to get an answer from anybody. Scott Kim Flint wrote: > At 2:29 PM -0700 10/1/00, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > >scott...............mnelson@dmans.com this will get you mike nelson > >at boomerang..........the rang went from 12KHz to 24 KHz all samples 16 > >bits........hope this helps......michael > > actually, I understood it was a bit better than that. I think the original > is 16KHz sample rate, and with the upgrade there is a mode to double that > to 32KHz (at half the loop time). This is the same sample quality as the > JamMan. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 23:34:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26190; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:33:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:33:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001001223103.00f3b890@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 22:32:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: I need a better sounding sampler than a Boomerang! In-Reply-To: <39D7F38E.8207149C@sigecom.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott Winzinger (09:31 PM 10.01.2000) wrote: >Any idea how much $? > >I can't seem to get an answer from anybody. Hey Scott; In your quest for a better looper, Electrix's Repeater will be shipping the middle of next month: http://www.electrixpro.com/ Follow the links for "Repeater" Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 23:37:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26297; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:36:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:36:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c02c21$800184e0$2aaa5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #184 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:32:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #184 September 28, 2000. On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on the E-Live 2000 festival. The feature CD at Midnight was "Vine, Bark & Spore" by Steve Roach and Jorge Reyes on the Timeroom Editions label. I also played the music of Dweller at the Threshold and Synthetic Block who will be performing at the next Gathering. E-Live 2000 http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2000/focus00.html#sep The Gatherings http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm The Tenth Planet A New Low The Tenth Planet (none) Tony Stoufer Artifacts One Swell Foop (Absolute Obscurity) Jonn Serrie & Mystery of Falcone Cove Hidden World (Narada) Gary Stroutsos ARC Relay Octane (Something Else) Van Zyl & Gulch Regeneration Mode Regeneration Mode (Synkronos) Markus Reuter Part Two * Digitalis (none) Roach & Reyes Clearing Place Vine, Bark & Spore (Timeroom Editions) 12:00 am Roach & Reyes Sorcerer's Temple Vine, Bark & Spore (Timeroom Editions) Roach & Reyes The Holy Dirt Vine, Bark & Spore (Timeroom Editions) Roach & Reyes Night Journey Vine, Bark & Spore (Timeroom Editions) Roach & Reyes Spore and Bark Vine, Bark & Spore (Timeroom Editions) Roach & Reyes Healing Temple Vine, Bark & Spore (Timeroom Editions) Roach & Reyes Gone from Here Vine, Bark & Spore (Timeroom Editions) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Tangerine Dream to celebrate Oktoberfest EMUSIC-style. The feature CD at midnight will be "Phaedra" on the Virgin label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 23:56:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26531; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:55:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:55:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 20:52:03 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: I need a better sounding sampler than a Boomerang! In-reply-to: <4.3.2.7.2.20001001223103.00f3b890@mail.redmoon-music.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <39D7F38E.8207149C@sigecom.net> Resent-Message-ID: <-cd1lD.A.ZeG.kcA25@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:32 PM -0700 10/1/00, Mark Pulver wrote: >Scott Winzinger (09:31 PM 10.01.2000) wrote: > > >Any idea how much $? > > > >I can't seem to get an answer from anybody. > >Hey Scott; > >In your quest for a better looper, Electrix's Repeater will be shipping the >middle of next month: > > http://www.electrixpro.com/ > > Follow the links for "Repeater" > hey Mark, how much do they pay you for this anyway? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 00:06:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26783; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 00:05:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 00:05:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001001225653.00f3cbf0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 23:04:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: I need a better sounding sampler than a Boomerang! In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001001223103.00f3b890@mail.redmoon-music.com> <39D7F38E.8207149C@sigecom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint (10:52 PM 10.01.2000) wrote: >hey Mark, how much do they pay you for this anyway? :) I stayed quite this long in saying anything to Scott 'cause I figured that I was getting on someone's nerves. To answer you straight though, I have no business affiliation with Electrix. I don't get a check, nor product, nor discounts, nor T-Shirts, nor anything. I think that they have a very cool new product coming out, I've talked to the guys at length about what they're doing, and I have good reason to believe that they're going to make it happen. Scott's looking for something "better sounding than a Boomerang" and I think Repeater fills that role. And, fwiw, I paid for my Big Briar products as well even though I had a heavy hand in what some of them are. I don't believe in being a paid endorser. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 00:37:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27182; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 00:36:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 00:36:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001002043550.8886.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 21:35:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: North central Florida/new technician (tech) in town. To: analogue@hyperreal.org, jp6@synthcom.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4j1myD.A.loG.jCB25@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually he is not new to the area but is returning back to the arena of vintage gear repair. He started in the early 70's repairing fender amps and things of that ilkage. He also grew as a tech during the synthesizer age and I have personally witnessed him bring many synths back to life. Arps, Rolands, Sequentials, Cats. He saved my Jupiter 6 and Sh-101 from silence. Vintage Amps, Synths, pedals. I have not told him I posted this yet so E-mail me and I'll put you in touch with him. Of course if you live out of the area, and wanted to pay shipping, he'll do that to. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 02:32:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28552; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 02:31:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 02:31:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 23:20:36 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: BB interface In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:22 PM -0700 9/26/00, Matthias Grob wrote: >> >>If you really prefer a web interface, than just use the list archives! >>There are many people who do this, in fact. The archive is automatically >>updated throughout the day, and it allows you to view posts by thread, >>author, or date, or search for whatever you want. So the archive is >>practically a BB and can serve the purposes you are looking for. > >I started this for and find it great exept that I was not allowed to answer... >Could there be some kind of a "Archive Subscription" where you dont >get the mails but are allowed to post to the list? > In fact, yes, I can set something like this up. If anybody wants to use some address just for posting and not receive list mails there, let me know. I'll set the list server to accept posts from that address. I'm not going to make this a real widely available service, because I don't want to see it abused. You should somehow be on the list if you want me to do this for you. This will probably help the people who have multiple addresses and periodically forget which one they are supposed to post with. You know who you are. ;-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 08:56:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01639; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:54:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:54:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <7D4D951568BED111B4C900805FF5E50D04656431@w12tcxu03.tv.bbc.co.uk> From: Simeon Harris To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: syncing 2 jambuddies Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:53:24 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anybody had any luck syncing two jamdudes together? i've tried several methods, but without much success - they either gradually creep apart, or the master unit loops first and triggers the slave into a loop (not much good for on-the-fly loopage!). i've tried using the midi clock from one unit into the other and also using an external midi clock generator into both units. anybody nailed this problem? cheers, sim This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 09:33:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02160; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:32:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:32:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c02c75$1953ec20$a54c480c@default> From: "William Green" To: References: Subject: Re: "Oceanic' Music wanted for video projects Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 06:31:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Dr..... I have a few Ambient pieces at MP3.com: http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/160/will_green.html If you would, give them a listen. Also, on my links page are the links to three of my friends, James Johnson, Kelvin L Smith and Darshan Music, all makers of Fine Ambient Music, which might suit your needs. If you do contact them, please mention my name by way of an introduction. Till later... Will From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 10:07:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02677; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:05:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:05:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <06c901c02c79$20697120$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <20001001154113.2204.qmail@web6304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: EDP smooth next loop? Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:00:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm close but I want to be perfect... Pratt, with all due respect, you need to read the manual, man! You can even download a PDF version from the LD website. It reveals all the secret truths, magical techniques, and PARAMETER incantations which are hidden behind the meek looking EDP front panel. It even has graphic diagrams detailing the structure of the universe (as understood by the EDP). Suffer through the reading, and your effort will redeem you. Remember, the truth shall set you free! But it is not available as a "book on tape". ;) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 10:28:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03233; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:27:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:27:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D88DDF.81F8BA9C@sigecom.net> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 09:30:08 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Boomerang Musical Products. Mailbox is full Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do the guys at Boomerang ever empty their voice mailbox so others can leave messages. It's been full for 3 weeks! Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 10:37:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03496; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:36:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:36:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <072301c02c7d$8b7070f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20001001162924.007f38a0@mail.airmail.net> Subject: Re: EDP Question - How Do I? Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:32:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Michael! I'll try to help, but I'm not sure I understand what you're try to do. I think of the EDP as "stacking" sound. You can start with a foundation in Loop 1. Loop 1: basic-riff Now you can stack more on top of that, either via MULTIPLY/NEXT-LOOP, or overdubbing in some fashion. Say you do it via MULTIPLY/NEXT-LOOP. Now you have - Loop 1: basic riff Loop 2: basic riff + overdub 1 and you can continue - Loop 1: basic riff Loop 2: basic riff + overdub 1 Loop 3: basic riff + overdub 1 + overdub 2 etc. How ever you choose to add sound, you can remove only the topmost overdub. So you can "remove" by switching back to a different loop memory or via UNDO. In all cases you can't remove sound underneath the topmost layer with out removing the top first. It's a stack and you have direct access only to the top. If you want to remove something in the middle or at the beginning of the stack, you need multiple EDPs. At least that's why I got a second one. Does this help? Kim has a great analogy with trains going 'round a track. So I suppose what I'm saying is that you can only take cars off the back of the train. But WAIT! This isn't strictly true. You can remove cycles in a loop. See "CHANGING THE NUMBER OF CYCLES IN AN EXISTING LOOP" on page 4-44 in the EDP manual. And there's the INSERT feature, of course which is like adding cars in the middle of the train. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 11:24:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04132; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:22:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:22:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:21:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: Re: EDP smooth next loop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks dad, I know how to do the stuff, I just wanted to know if people had mastered it or had a tip on making it smoother. Even when I do it just like the bible says to do it, it still is a bit rough. Please do not attempt to help or rather nag me any further. Allen --- "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > > I'm close but I want to be perfect... > > Pratt, with all due respect, you need to read the > manual, man! You can even > download a PDF version from the LD website. It > reveals all the secret truths, > magical techniques, and PARAMETER incantations which > are hidden behind the meek > looking EDP front panel. It even has graphic > diagrams detailing the structure > of the universe (as understood by the EDP). Suffer > through the reading, and > your effort will redeem you. Remember, the truth > shall set you free! > > But it is not available as a "book on tape". ;) > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 11:51:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04517; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:50:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:50:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c02c88$58e8cc80$31ddd8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Real smooth EDP Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:49:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <2F30vB.A.SGB.25K25@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello time mongers, I find that having a drum machine send the EDP MIDI clock and syncing our loop monster (with quantize on) is an excellent way of knowing "where 1 is". Of course that takes some of the mystery out of it :=] but it makes everything "smooth" (a lot like smooth jazz, I think--less risk, less rewards). Turn Timing/sync to "In". BTW, this sure beats the Jamman setup, where the looper wouldn't start without a clock pulse if you were set to MIDI sync--the Jammer also divvied the loop up differently, such that you had to make the loop a certain length to match the length of the drum pattern. Of course, for your purposes, you can just have an eighth note pattern, like shaker or high hat, and have it turned down low, to take advantage of the precision of the syncing. It also helps to have a machine with a tempo tap footswitch so you can set tempos quickly--I'm using the SR-16. Now go play! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 13:40:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06766; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:38:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:38:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D9464E.A6897BE0@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 19:37:02 -0700 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP smooth next loop? References: <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pratt Winkle wrote: > > Thanks dad, > I know how to do the stuff, I just wanted to know if > people had mastered it or had a tip on making it > smoother. Even when I do it just like the bible says > to do it, it still is a bit rough. Please do not > attempt to help or rather nag me any further. > Allen explain it smoother Dad Dennis has a hearing aid gizmo and he gets feedback loops sometimes what do you mean by "it still is a bit rough" because with switch quantize:cycle its dead on Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 14:01:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07548; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:00:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:00:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <07dc01c02c99$f903d410$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> <39D9464E.A6897BE0@vtx.ch> Subject: Re: EDP smooth next loop? Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:55:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Dad Dennis has a hearing aid gizmo and he gets feedback loops sometimes ehhh?? ayyy?? What's that you said?? You'll have to speak up over this awful buzzing in my head. :) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 14:36:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08799; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:35:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:35:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20001002133345.007e9bf0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 13:33:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: EDP Question - How Do I? In-Reply-To: <072301c02c7d$8b7070f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20001001162924.007f38a0@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Dennis, Thanks for the overview! Yes, I'm familiar with what you describe. Perhaps that is the direction I'll go. Create Loop One, then switch to Loop 2 and begin layering. Thanks, Michael At 09:32 AM 10/2/00 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Michael! > >I'll try to help, but I'm not sure I understand what you're try to do. > >I think of the EDP as "stacking" sound. You can start with a foundation in Loop >1. > > Loop 1: basic-riff > >Now you can stack more on top of that, either via MULTIPLY/NEXT-LOOP, or >overdubbing in some fashion. Say you do it via MULTIPLY/NEXT-LOOP. Now you >have - > > Loop 1: basic riff > Loop 2: basic riff + overdub 1 > >and you can continue - > > Loop 1: basic riff > Loop 2: basic riff + overdub 1 > Loop 3: basic riff + overdub 1 + overdub 2 > >etc. > >How ever you choose to add sound, you can remove only the topmost overdub. So >you can "remove" by switching back to a different loop memory or via UNDO. In >all cases you can't remove sound underneath the topmost layer with out removing >the top first. It's a stack and you have direct access only to the top. > >If you want to remove something in the middle or at the beginning of the stack, >you need multiple EDPs. At least that's why I got a second one. > >Does this help? Kim has a great analogy with trains going 'round a track. So I >suppose what I'm saying is that you can only take cars off the back of the >train. > >But WAIT! This isn't strictly true. You can remove cycles in a loop. See >"CHANGING THE NUMBER OF CYCLES IN AN EXISTING LOOP" on page 4-44 in the EDP >manual. And there's the INSERT feature, of course which is like adding cars in >the middle of the train. > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 16:28:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12602; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:27:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:27:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:27:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: traig Subject: looking to buy used BEHRINGER ULTRAFEX PRO EX3200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone have one of these laying around that they want to get rid of? in working condition, of course. thanx, traig.s.foltz.5@nd.edu Traig Foltz Audio Production Specialist University of Notre Dame Office of Information Technology Office: (219)631 - 3752 Fax: (219) 631 - 8777 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 18:57:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15993; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:33:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:33:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: "Loopers" Cc: Subject: EOT: English Spanish spam spam, spam Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:37:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <39D602A4.E67C2E80@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry guys, I wasn't thinking too hard when I sent that delightful message to you all last week. From the responses I got, I can conclude that: a) None of you were interested in buying Spanish motorcycles either and, b) My Spanish spam is not your Spanish Spam, and in fact seems to be coming from different part of Spain altogether. Not the same place as everyone else Spanish's spam at all. I'm getting about 5-10 pieces of Spanish Spam a day; along with the other crap, and my secret-personal-don't-post-anywhere-with-it inbox has started to look like a newsgroup, without the pirated software. It doesn't look like I'm going to be able to stop the flow. Oh well. I'd better go now; my 'inbox' bell just rang, which means that there's an urgent message just waiting for me to open it. bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. -----Original Message----- From: lance glover [mailto:baumhaus@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 8:14 AM To: Jonathan El-Bizri Subject: your spanish spam spam hey jonathan no offense, but please refrain from this kind of thing. it's aggaravating enough to get as much spam as we do in the first place, but to be subjected to this from a list member who should know better is over the top. i think a mea culpa to the list is in order. lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 02:01:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27046; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 01:59:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 01:59:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p40-max11.syd.ihug.com.au [206.17.105.232] claimed to be alisonjo Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001003154210.007bfa50@pop.ihug.com.au> X-Sender: herbal@pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:42:10 +1000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alison Subject: RE: Novation Bass Station In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20000928102816.007b59d0@pop.ihug.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks. I downloaded a copy. At 14:41 28/09/00 -0500, you wrote: > >> I've been looking everywhere for a novation bass station >> manual, but can't >> find one. I really need it! Could someone help me? > >I have the bass station (keyboard...not rackmount) and have >the manual in some form around here somewhere. Is there something >particular you need? > >Ooops...nevermind. The http://www.novationusa.com/ web >site was unreachable this morning...but it looks like it >is reachable again. They have all of the manuals in pdf format >(look under 'downloads'). > > Mike McGary > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 02:05:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27263; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:04:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:04:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001003060417.23838.qmail@web6305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:04:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: FS: SH-101 grey w/adapter To: analogue@hyperreal.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SH-101 in very good shape with boss 9v adapter. $400 buyer pays shipping If you pay up-front I can get a better deal on shipping through my job. But I cannot do COD from there. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 02:16:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27548; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:15:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:15:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001003061513.29238.qmail@web6305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:15:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: What is the going rate$ for ...(loop gear) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Digitech time machine 7.6.........? Digitech time machine 8000.........? Lexicon Jam man.............? Oberheim EDP vs. Gibson EDP.....? vs. ? Other gear? Are the units listed above the best, I'd like your opinions. How about the best loop bang for the buck. My vote goes to the time machines, assuming they are in the 150-200 dollar range. A friend has one and I am about to trade him for it. Of course, the EDP is the best but now we are talking some serious schazole. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 02:48:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28000; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:45:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:45:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001003064517.573.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:45:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: RDS 8000 vs. RDS 7.6 (Digitech timemachines) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_Mp3Y.A.E1G.6BY25@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What is the difference? (to the gentleman in the back row,I know one is 7.6 sec. and one is 8 sec.)And they are different in color, but what do the different buttons on the 7.6 do that the knobs on the 8000 do not? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 09:13:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00353; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:12:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:12:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001001c02a0c$8fbee380$cda0d8cc@gary> References: <7b.a2d7c64.27052372@aol.com> <001001c02a0c$8fbee380$cda0d8cc@gary> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:13:35 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Echoplex Multiply Function and Building an Elegant Blues Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary asked a difficult question and insist on it ;-): >Now to the part I don't fully understand. Let's alter the chord >progression. We start with the same figure for the first phrase, the "I" >chord, which is one bar in length. I allow it to play one additional time >(now playing bar 2). I hit multiply, and the "song" begins. After the >second cycle begins and bar 2 of the "song" is playing, I hit insert and >when bar 3 begins, I am in insert mode and I play the "IV" chord for two >bars. Around bar 4 or so I hit multiply again and when bar 5 arrives, I am >treated to two bars of "I", as created by the original multiply. During bar >6, I hit insert and play the "V" chord for two bars (bars 7 and 8). During >bar 8 I hit multiply. When bar 9 arrives, I expect two bars of the "I" >chord. Instead I am jarred by one bar of "I" and one bar of "IV". What >gives? Or to put it more clearly--with which cycle does the multiply begin? >BTW the second progression corresponds to the harmonic progression for "Boil >That Cabbage Down" or it would if I could get that far :=( > I find it hard to imagine how that sounds or which part is multiplied when. I wanted to figure it out on paper or playing, but I still did not and you need some answer. I must say found it amazing to hear what you brought tomind, I never did that! Since nobody answers on the list, you may be the first one to go that far,,, you feel the lonelyness of the pioneer, the track where noone can tell you whether it makes sense to walk further on it and when you listen to your dimm inner voices there are several... well its probably not that dramatic :-) Maybe it helps if I give the simple rule: It allways starts multiplying from where you are. The stuff that it would have been playing without pressing multiply is what is going to be first in the multiplied (or inserted) part and if you increase the total lenght (more cycles after multiply than before, natural but not necessary), it simply comes back again to the spot where you started multiply (or the next cycle start, as you work with Quantize, right?) and repeats the same whole loop you had before starting Multiply. - I am not shure whether this is very clear... there are drawings in the manuals... So you would like to multiply only the "I" chord... how could the machine where that is... You could use NextMultiply for this and close FeedBack during the phase you play the new chord. Maybe pressing Insert during NextMultiply does a NextInsert and when pressing Multiply again it continues to copy sound from the previous loop? I never did that either, if it makes sense, I could care for it... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 09:35:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00922; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:34:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:34:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [130.227.205.238] From: "Jon Meinild" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The Repeater-offer? Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:33:13 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2000 13:33:13.0304 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A839580:01C02D3E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Could anybody correct me if I'm wrong: Is there any type of repeater-special-we-all-go-together-and-save-some-money-offer, and does have anything to do with braincramp.org? jon_meinild@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 09:59:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01335; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:58:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:58:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001003085122.01ad1e50@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 08:52:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: The Repeater-offer? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jon Meinild (08:33 AM 10.03.2000) wrote: >Could anybody correct me if I'm wrong: > >Is there any type of repeater-special-we-all-go-together-and-save-some- >money-offer, and does have anything to do with braincramp.org? Yeup. Drop a line to Noah through repeater@braincramp.org and tell him you want in. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 10:52:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02119; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:51:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:51:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <46.b5d4cd6.270b4c1c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:50:04 EDT Subject: t.c D-One To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anyone know if the memory on the new tc electronics D-One delay line is expandable?... interesting review of said box in the new guitar player magazine... comes with 10 seconds onboard... be nice if it was a minute or two... cheers, RA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 11:55:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03155; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:53:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:53:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001003104746.02b9ce30@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:51:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: t.c D-One In-Reply-To: <46.b5d4cd6.270b4c1c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com RA336@aol.com (09:50 AM 10.03.2000) wrote: >anyone know if the memory on the new tc electronics D-One delay line is >expandable?... interesting review of said box in the new guitar player >magazine... >comes with 10 seconds onboard... be nice if it was a minute or two... Nope, it's not expandable by any normal means. i.e., if you're handy with hacking devices like this then you may be able to graft more memory into it. fwiw, T.C. Electronic has also told me that they aren't planning any further feature enhancements for it. But, the box is flash upgradable, so who knows. :) It's a great delay line... The rhythmic repeats are incredible fun. I have the user manual and sysex docs online if you're interested: http://www.midiwall.com/synths/docs/ (and no, I'm not a paid endorser for T.C. Electronic either) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 12:40:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03998; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:38:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:38:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:28:14 -0700 From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001b01c02d67$b20c3600$735cfea9@pavilion> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 References: <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey guys--you don't have to watch your backs quite as much here as on Analogue Heaven ;) hardly any belligerent baggy-pants youngsters in this group--one of the reasons I stay and Mark, a couple of months ago I was telling Kim about the killer search engine on your excellent site . . . I see enough shelling on the news already so maybe we could just start over and realize that e-mail is not always great medium for communication drone on~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideomo@swbell.net > Thanks dad, > I know how to do the stuff, I just wanted to know if > people had mastered it or had a tip on making it > smoother. Even when I do it just like the bible says > to do it, it still is a bit rough. Please do not > attempt to help or rather nag me any further. > Allen AND >It's a great delay line... The rhythmic repeats are incredible fun. I have >the user manual and sysex docs online if you're interested: > http://www.midiwall.com/synths/docs/ >(and no, I'm not a paid endorser for T.C. Electronic either) >Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 12:54:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04294; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:50:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:50:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001003114618.00f8c760@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:48:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting In-Reply-To: <001b01c02d67$b20c3600$735cfea9@pavilion> References: <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom Lambrecht (01:28 PM 10.03.2000) wrote: >and Mark, a couple of months ago I was telling Kim about the killer search >engine on your excellent site . . . yikes... Hi Tom! (thanks!) Actually, the one that Kim is running is pretty nice. I like the content display. I tend to prefer a more bare-bones approach personally, but I know that the folks that use the AH search might like it. I have a major re-write in the works as it is... Hmmmm.... Mark ________________________________________________________________ Stuff: http://www.midiwall.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 12:54:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04369; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:53:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:53:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012a01c02d5b$5c229ce0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> From: "Pulse 8" To: References: <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> <001b01c02d67$b20c3600$735cfea9@pavilion> Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:59:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey now, not all of us baggy-pants youngsters are belligerent....I haven't posted much on this list because there's not much i've had anything to say about...(and you're right, i never post on AH either) Most of the looping on here is hardware related while i do most of mine software-wise, and I was hoping more for sources of free soundloops...however this list has helped turn me on to phasing, which i think is some really cool stuff...however I haven't done any of it yet... Joshua ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 1:28 PM Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting > hey guys--you don't have to watch your backs quite as much here as on > Analogue Heaven ;) hardly any belligerent baggy-pants youngsters in this > group--one of the reasons I stay > > and Mark, a couple of months ago I was telling Kim about the killer search > engine on your excellent site . . . > > I see enough shelling on the news already so maybe we could just start over > and realize that e-mail is not always great medium for communication > > drone on~~~~~~~~~~~ > Tom Lambrecht > > hideomo@swbell.net > > > > > > Thanks dad, > > I know how to do the stuff, I just wanted to know if > > people had mastered it or had a tip on making it > > smoother. Even when I do it just like the bible says > > to do it, it still is a bit rough. Please do not > > attempt to help or rather nag me any further. > > Allen > > > AND > > > > >It's a great delay line... The rhythmic repeats are incredible fun. I have > >the user manual and sysex docs online if you're interested: > > > http://www.midiwall.com/synths/docs/ > > > > >(and no, I'm not a paid endorser for T.C. Electronic either) > > >Mark > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 12:55:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04296; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:50:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:50:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:49:10 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: HEY I HAVE BAGGY PANTS ON! Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com /me cries c Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com wrote: > hey guys--you don't have to watch your backs quite as much here as onAnalogue Heaven ;) hardly any belligerent baggy-pants youngsters in this group--one of the reasons I stay and Mark, a couple of months ago I was telling Kim about the killer search engine on your excellent site . . . I see enough shelling on the news already so maybe we could just start over and realize that e-mail is not always great medium for communication drone on~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideomo@swbell.net > Thanks dad, > I know how to do the stuff, I just wanted to know if > people had mastered it or had a tip on making it > smoother. Even when I do it just like the bible says > to do it, it still is a bit rough. Please do not > attempt to help or rather nag me any further. > Allen AND >It's a great delay line... The rhythmic repeats are incredible fun. I have >the user manual and sysex docs online if you're interested: > http://www.midiwall.com/synths/docs/ >(and no, I'm not a paid endorser for T.C. Electronic either) >Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 13:16:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04744; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:08:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:08:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: good-natured knifetwisting Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:11:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <001b01c02d67$b20c3600$735cfea9@pavilion> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >hey guys--you don't have to watch your backs quite as much here as on >Analogue Heaven ;) hardly any belligerent baggy-pants youngsters in this >group--one of the reasons I stay > Hey, I resemble that remark! At least, my pants do. They're belligerent enough for both of us. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 13:26:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04965; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:25:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:25:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39DA15C9.9918617@best.com> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:22:17 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Anyone using a Rane SM 26B? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been looking for the best way to split one signal into many (at least four) and then recombine the many back into one without buying a big hunking mixer with umpteen send/returns. I came across the Rane web page and saw their SM 26B. It is a one-to-six splitter or a six-to-one mixer in a single rack space. It can also be configured as a one-to-three splitter _and_ three-to-one mixer or cascaded with other SM 26B's ad infinitum. I don't know the merits of a balanced buffered signal versus other signal varieties, so can someone tell me why a unit like this is needed when a simple patch bay should be able to do the same thing? Is anyone here using this unit? Where did you get it? How much did you pay? -Allan |: i repeat myself to relieve my stress :| From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 13:28:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05098; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:27:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:27:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015201c02d60$542539d0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> From: "Pulse 8" To: References: Subject: WAY OT : Re: good-natured knifetwisting Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:35:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com heh, thank god i'm not the only one Joshua ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 12:11 PM Subject: RE: good-natured knifetwisting > > > > >hey guys--you don't have to watch your backs quite as much here as on > >Analogue Heaven ;) hardly any belligerent baggy-pants youngsters in this > >group--one of the reasons I stay > > > > Hey, I resemble that remark! > > At least, my pants do. They're belligerent enough for both of us. > > bIz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 13:32:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05208; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:31:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:31:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:26:44 -0700 From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 References: <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> <001b01c02d67$b20c3600$735cfea9@pavilion> <012a01c02d5b$5c229ce0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com alright, nough already (I have a pair of miners pants that I got at the Gap outlet store to work on the car) and I was young at one time for all of the young and/or baggy-pantsed folks who will shell me as soon as they get home, I didn't EQUATE one or the other to being belligerent (the fact that you know what the word means pretty much rules you out anyway)-- most of the real musicians on this group are old hippies anyway . . . check the archives was merely trying to come up with a good stereotype for the overly-testosterone-enabled people on another newsgroup who delight in verbal sniping at people for no apparent reason other than maybe their parents took away their violent video games anyway, this pretty much reinforces my views on e-mail as a COMMUNICATIONs medium . . . drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideomo@swbell.net click "SEND" . . . hmmmm . . . I don't know about that comment about old hippies . . . WAIT, did I really use the word testosterone in a newsgr WHOOSH ----- Original Message ----- From: Pulse 8 To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:59 AM Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting > hey now, not all of us baggy-pants youngsters are belligerent....I haven't > posted much on this list because there's not much i've had anything to say > about...(and you're right, i never post on AH eitherSNIP > Joshua > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 13:42:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05361; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:36:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:36:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Merseybeet@aol.com Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:34:53 EDT Subject: an overdue apology To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <29.af03dc3.270b72bd@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5tzUGC.A.eTB.hjh25@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey all, i wrote a brief missive a couple of weeks ago about all the grief my edp has given me.. and what i considered a "lame" policy by gibson of not having multiple locations and technicians for service.. i'm afraid it was a bit of a rant. i had spent the day trying to convince the 'plex that all it needed was some new memory and a little vitamin "c" and it would be fine.. it of course wasn;t and i had a fairly large gig in a day or so, and no hope of help (despite the fact that i am/was an edorser..) from gibson.. anyway. i apologize. this is not the proper forum to air my grievances and i certainly failed to phrase my comments in a way that might bring positive change to the situation. in short, i didn't think before i spoke (..errr.. wrote..). kim sent me a very kind letter pointing these facts out to me and i thought that since i had let my thoughtless words fly here that i should post my apology here as well. peace monk ric hordinski From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 13:42:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05422; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:39:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:39:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:38:59 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: good-natured knifetwisting Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah tom was kinda my point as well :) Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com wrote: > alright, nough already (I have a pair of miners pants that I got at the Gapoutlet store to work on the car) and I was young at one time for all of the young and/or baggy-pantsed folks who will shell me as soon as they get home, I didn't EQUATE one or the other to being belligerent (the fact that you know what the word means pretty much rules you out anyway)-- most of the real musicians on this group are old hippies anyway . . . check the archives was merely trying to come up with a good stereotype for the overly-testosterone-enabled people on another newsgroup who delight in verbal sniping at people for no apparent reason other than maybe their parents took away their violent video games anyway, this pretty much reinforces my views on e-mail as a COMMUNICATIONs medium . . . drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideomo@swbell.net click "SEND" . . . hmmmm . . . I don't know about that comment about old hippies . . . WAIT, did I really use the word testosterone in a newsgr WHOOSH ----- Original Message ----- From: Pulse 8 To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:59 AM Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting > hey now, not all of us baggy-pants youngsters are belligerent....I haven't > posted much on this list because there's not much i've had anything to say > about...(and you're right, i never post on AH eitherSNIP > Joshua > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 13:47:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05644; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:46:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:46:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39DA9997.400EAA4E@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:44:39 -0700 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone using a Rane SM 26B? References: <39DA15C9.9918617@best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Allan Hoeltje wrote: > > I've been looking for the best way to split one signal into many (at > least four) and then recombine the many back into one without buying a > big hunking mixer with umpteen send/returns. I came across the Rane web > page and saw their SM 26B. It is a one-to-six splitter or a six-to-one > mixer in a single rack space. It can also be configured as a > one-to-three splitter _and_ three-to-one mixer or cascaded with other SM > 26B's ad infinitum. > > I don't know the merits of a balanced buffered signal versus other > signal varieties, so can someone tell me why a unit like this is needed > when a simple patch bay should be able to do the same thing? > > Is anyone here using this unit? Where did you get it? How much did you > pay? > > -Allan > |: i repeat myself to relieve my stress :| Rane is very cool and sturdy no problem (I have a AP13 acoustic guitar preamp) but getting two SM 26B for your signal routing brings you near the price of a switchblade 16 which gives you true matrix patching 16 in 16 out and a lot of goodies to add they even have a lower price unit the switchblade 8 have a look there download the software that is used to configure the blades to see what it can do for you http://www.soundsculpture.com I dont use a mixer and all my signals in and out are patched into the SB from there anything in any order paralell,serie etc etc 75 presets Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 13:47:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05643; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:46:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:46:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001003174454.12917.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:44:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: What was Jaco Pastorius using..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On those live from New York CD's? Since it is from the 70's or early eighties I assume it was an echoplex tape machine. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 13:52:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05803; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:51:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:51:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016401c02d63$a1a94090$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> From: "Pulse 8" To: References: <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com><001b01c02d67$b20c3600$735cfea9@pavilion><012a01c02d5b$5c229ce0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> <001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion> Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:59:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom..considering the title of the message, i think we knew you meant no offense and that's why our retorts were of the same good nature... Joshua ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Lambrecht" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:26 PM Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting > alright, nough already (I have a pair of miners pants that I got at the Gap > outlet store to work on the car) and I was young at one time > > for all of the young and/or baggy-pantsed folks who will shell me as soon as > they get home, I didn't EQUATE one or the other to being belligerent (the > fact that you know what the word means pretty much rules you out anyway)-- > > most of the real musicians on this group are old hippies anyway . . . check > the archives > > was merely trying to come up with a good stereotype for the > overly-testosterone-enabled people on another newsgroup who delight in > verbal sniping at people for no apparent reason other than maybe their > parents took away their violent video games > > anyway, this pretty much reinforces my views on e-mail as a COMMUNICATIONs > medium . . . > > drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Tom Lambrecht > > hideomo@swbell.net > > click "SEND" . . . hmmmm . . . I don't know about that comment about old > hippies . . . WAIT, did I really use the word testosterone in a newsgr > > WHOOSH > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pulse 8 > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:59 AM > Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting > > > > hey now, not all of us baggy-pants youngsters are belligerent....I haven't > > posted much on this list because there's not much i've had anything to say > > about...(and you're right, i never post on AH eitherSNIP > > > Joshua > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 14:08:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06115; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:05:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:05:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion> References: <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> <001b01c02d67$b20c3600$735cfea9@pavilion> <012a01c02d5b$5c229ce0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> <001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:04:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >most of the real musicians on this group are old hippies anyway . . . check >the archives damn...caught. ima cutting my hair as soon as i get home. after i stop by the hippest store in town and gettin me some of dem baggy pants. actually, i feel kinda caught in the middle. i got into music as a punk rocker (1980ish), and took shit from the 'old hippies'. Now as i'm the aging one, the belligerent youngsters are stealing the thunder, whatever 'scene' they're into. I guess it's cool that they can die their hair green, wear extravagent clothes and tongue piercings and not have to worry about getting the holy crap beat out of them by walking down a street minding their own business. Some of us old fogies actually went through that. What this has to do with looping, ya got me. Saw 'Hi Fidelity' this last weekend. Enjoyed the two punk rock kids that John Cusack tries to pidgeonhole their music tastes based on their looks, and they totally do a 180 on him. Seems like a nice side effect of this music/technology/genre splitting/fashion explosion that we're having is that you REALLY can't judge the book by it's cover anymore... rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 14:22:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06412; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:20:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:20:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:12:56 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: an overdue apology In-reply-to: <29.af03dc3.270b72bd@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:34 AM -0700 10/3/00, Merseybeet@aol.com wrote: >hey all, > i wrote a brief missive a couple of weeks ago about all the grief my edp >has given me.. and what i considered a "lame" policy by gibson of not >having multiple locations and technicians for service.. such a lame policy that it has been incredibly better than the one you recommended! Everyone seems to be very happy with Shane's work. I still don't understand why you slag them for fixing a serious problem caused by outside repair services and making it better! multiple locations meant you had a lot of different repair guys who got maybe one echoplex in their shop a year, had no idea how to fix it, were lucky if they could even find their docs on it, and generally made things worse rather than fixing anything. And Gibson had no quality control over it. Now you have one location that is well trained, has all the info they need, and cares about doing the job well. trust me, it is a lot better. > i'm afraid it was a bit of a rant. i had spent the day trying to >convince the 'plex that all it needed was some new memory and a little >vitamin "c" and it would be fine.. it of course wasn;t and i had a fairly >large gig in a day or so, and no hope of help (despite the fact that i >am/was an edorser..) from gibson.. > anyway. i apologize. this is not the proper forum to air my grievances I guess that it is nice you apologize, although you are still spreading this misinformation that Gibson will not help people. Have you ever even talked to Shane? He's a great guy, he gets on problems right away and takes care of it. Call him. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 14:25:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06549; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:24:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:24:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20001003132133.008163f0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:21:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting In-Reply-To: References: <001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion> <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> <001b01c02d67$b20c3600$735cfea9@pavilion> <012a01c02d5b$5c229ce0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> <001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm an old hippie too, anyway. Make loops, not war. M. At 11:04 AM 10/3/00 -0700, you wrote: >>most of the real musicians on this group are old hippies anyway . . . check >>the archives > > >damn...caught. > >ima cutting my hair as soon as i get home. after i stop by the >hippest store in town and gettin me some of dem baggy pants. > >actually, i feel kinda caught in the middle. i got into music as a >punk rocker (1980ish), and took shit from the 'old hippies'. Now as >i'm the aging one, the belligerent youngsters are stealing the >thunder, whatever 'scene' they're into. I guess it's cool that they >can die their hair green, wear extravagent clothes and tongue >piercings and not have to worry about getting the holy crap beat out >of them by walking down a street minding their own business. Some of >us old fogies actually went through that. > >What this has to do with looping, ya got me. > >Saw 'Hi Fidelity' this last weekend. Enjoyed the two punk rock kids >that John Cusack tries to pidgeonhole their music tastes based on >their looks, and they totally do a 180 on him. Seems like a nice >side effect of this music/technology/genre splitting/fashion >explosion that we're having is that you REALLY can't judge the book >by it's cover anymore... > >rich > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 14:37:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06763; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:34:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:34:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Merseybeet@aol.com Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 14:33:38 EDT Subject: whoa... To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <94.a43e495.270b8082@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kim, i said "considered" past tense... whoa killer, i was trying to apologize. i'm not sure who i talked with the last two or three times i've called but i've only talked with one person who actually works on them. his atitude was completely disinterested. i asked some questions to see if i could perhaps troubleshoot it from this end. he was completely nonchalant. and basically said " yeah, yeah, yeah.. send it in and we'll send it back to you fixed in six to eight weeks.." i'll be glad to talk to shane. do you have a direct number for him? i have also tried to get thru to the echolplex service folks and been stymied at least twice... kim, i meant to say i'm sorry. not to reopen this whole can of worms. from my side, i have given gibson two or three chances to be civil and helpful and they have not been interested in either on several occasions. i agree that the policy may be better than the last one and for that, they should be commended. but is it really realistic to have a piece of pro gear that can only be fixed by a few people in a one place. i'll be touring in europe in a couple of weeks.. what if it crashes there? isn't it conceivable that they could communicate a shop manual (or make it availble on the web) so that the other qualified folks in the world could fix it? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 15:10:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07556; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:09:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:09:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:56:44 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion> <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> <001b01c02d67$b20c3600$735cfea9@pavilion> <012a01c02d5b$5c229ce0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> <001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:04 AM -0700 10/3/00, rich wrote: >>most of the real musicians on this group are old hippies anyway . . . check >>the archives > There go the baby boomers again, trying to claim all sorts of glory for themselves.... :-) real musicians, sheesh... >What this has to do with looping, ya got me. >Saw 'Hi Fidelity' this last weekend. Enjoyed the two punk rock kids >that John Cusack tries to pidgeonhole their music tastes based on >their looks, and they totally do a 180 on him. I saw it this weekend too. I loved it that he caught them stealing Ryuichi Sakamoto albums..... >Seems like a nice >side effect of this music/technology/genre splitting/fashion >explosion that we're having is that you REALLY can't judge the book >by it's cover anymore... that's for sure. Portions of my hair are very purple (this week....), and the haircut style is definitly not a common one. Yet I work in a very conventional corporate office managing a team of hardware engineers. (if you don't know engineering culture, HW engineers are not ever freaks the way software engineers sometimes are...:-) Its quite a discontinuity, really, and I think it throws people off in both directions. (which is great fun.) But it amazes me how little my appearance seems to matter. I notice when I'm in meetings with other professional types, my hair might catch their attention for a moment, and then it's like they completely filter it out and don't notice anymore once the meeting is going. It certainly didn't affect my career in any way. In fact, some of my boring coworkers seem to live vicariously through me wishing they had the guts to dye their hair funny colors too. I haven't talked any of them into it yet though. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 15:30:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08019; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:29:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:29:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39DA3360.4BB4AC28@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:28:28 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: speaking of Echoplexes... References: <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> <001b01c02d67$b20c3600$735cfea9@pavilion> <012a01c02d5b$5c229ce0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> <001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was a very good boy and did a few extra contract jobs. Now I've got a chunk of cash and it's got looper written all over it. (which is a Federal offense, but who cares?) So I guess my question is not if the Echoplex will be my tool of choice, but is it available? I put my name in at Alto music months ago when the first re-releases started shipping, but never heard back. The Electrix page says 11/15 is the release date of the Repeater. I'd love to be able to demo the two together, as they both sound great. I'd also like to have 40 slaves pealing me shrimp all day. I emailed the group buy Repeater guy but have not heard anything back. Anyone know any inside info? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 15:39:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08300; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:39:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:39:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019401c02d72$af8a6c20$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> From: "Pulse 8" To: References: <001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion><20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com><001b01c02d67$b20c3600$735cfea9@pavilion><012a01c02d5b$5c229ce0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net><001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion> Subject: OT : Re: good-natured knifetwisting Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:46:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com let me guess, you're not in Texas... I used to get shit ALL THE DAMNED TIME as a manager of a technical support call center, and none of my piercings were visible, and I was the youngest with the next youngest being a good 7 years older than I. Joshua ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 1:56 PM Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting > At 11:04 AM -0700 10/3/00, rich wrote: > >>most of the real musicians on this group are old hippies anyway . . . check > >>the archives > > > > There go the baby boomers again, trying to claim all sorts of glory for > themselves.... :-) real musicians, sheesh... > > > > >What this has to do with looping, ya got me. > > > >Saw 'Hi Fidelity' this last weekend. Enjoyed the two punk rock kids > >that John Cusack tries to pidgeonhole their music tastes based on > >their looks, and they totally do a 180 on him. > > I saw it this weekend too. I loved it that he caught them stealing Ryuichi > Sakamoto albums..... That was sweet :) > > >Seems like a nice > >side effect of this music/technology/genre splitting/fashion > >explosion that we're having is that you REALLY can't judge the book > >by it's cover anymore... > that's for sure. Portions of my hair are very purple (this week....), and > the haircut style is definitly not a common one. Yet I work in a very > conventional corporate office managing a team of hardware engineers. (if > you don't know engineering culture, HW engineers are not ever freaks the > way software engineers sometimes are...:-) Its quite a discontinuity, > really, and I think it throws people off in both directions. (which is > great fun.) But it amazes me how little my appearance seems to matter. I > notice when I'm in meetings with other professional types, my hair might > catch their attention for a moment, and then it's like they completely > filter it out and don't notice anymore once the meeting is going. It > certainly didn't affect my career in any way. In fact, some of my boring > coworkers seem to live vicariously through me wishing they had the guts to > dye their hair funny colors too. I haven't talked any of them into it yet > though. :-) > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 16:08:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09880; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:07:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:07:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:06:34 EDT Subject: Re: speaking waggishly of Echoplexes... To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: <1XCeUD.A.GaC.2xj25@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated Tue, 3 Oct 2000 3:30:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mark Sottilaro writes: I'd love to be able to demo the two together, as they both sound great. I'd also like to have 40 slaves pealing me shrimp all day. > If you demo an EDP and a Repeater, wouldn't that create some sort of infinity? A swirling mass of nascent energies that regernates itself to the point of Zool? A noise that lasts until the AC is cut off? You could get them just out-of-sync the right amount so as to cause severe cognitive dissonance. You could also just get one slave (illegal in the US for some time now, except at certain computer manufacturers) to peel one shrimp, and loop the whole experience. I saw the Flaming Lips, and they looped video of Judy Garland as Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz singing just the word 'why' from 'Over the Rainbow', and then did a straight reading of the song themselves over the loop.. it was somewhere in the realm of perverse and hilarious... the vague sexuality of young Dorothy mouthing 'why' over and over... made me wanna peel a shrimp kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 16:35:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11342; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:34:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:34:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <019401c02d72$af8a6c20$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> References: <001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion><20001002152133.8466.qmail@web630 2.mail.yahoo.com><001b01c02d67$b20c3600$735cfea9@pavilion><012a01c02d5b$5c 229ce0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net><001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion > <019401c02d72$af8a6c20$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:33:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: OT : Re: good-natured knifetwisting Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-5gUQD.A.9wC.qKk25@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >let me guess, you're not in Texas... > >I used to get shit ALL THE DAMNED TIME as a manager of a technical support >call center, and none of my piercings were visible, and I was the youngest >with the next youngest being a good 7 years older than I. > >Joshua hahaha! you're right...definitely not from Texas. No, us California boys suffered a bit from the 'bashing', but Texas is a whole different story. I don't look nearly as 'out there' as i did in high school, and the last time i was in Texas (in liberal Austin, no less), i thought i was going to be tied to a pickup truck and dragged through town from some of the looks i got. now if they could have only seen me in drag in my stunning Princess Leia getup. (with that long hair, I can get them 'cinnamon buns' happening real good...) ok...i win the OT award today. nya nya... rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 16:59:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11992; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:58:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:58:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:54:55 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: speaking waggishly of Echoplexes... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA11951 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK... I know it would be FUN to have both and EDP and a Repeater side by side to demo... beyond basic comparison of sound quality and loop splice point artifacts (clicks etc.) I'd say you're not going to really have the knowledge you need to actually get any deeper. (Unless you have the unlikely knowledgable sales person who can actually demo them for you... good luck with that! 80)) -Miko >>> KB305@aol.com 10/03/00 01:07PM >>> In a message dated Tue, 3 Oct 2000 3:30:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mark Sottilaro writes: I'd love to be able to demo the two together, as they both sound great. I'd also like to have 40 slaves pealing me shrimp all day. > If you demo an EDP and a Repeater, wouldn't that create some sort of infinity? A swirling mass of nascent energies that regernates itself to the point of Zool? A noise that lasts until the AC is cut off? You could get them just out-of-sync the right amount so as to cause severe cognitive dissonance. You could also just get one slave (illegal in the US for some time now, except at certain computer manufacturers) to peel one shrimp, and loop the whole experience. I saw the Flaming Lips, and they looped video of Judy Garland as Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz singing just the word 'why' from 'Over the Rainbow', and then did a straight reading of the song themselves over the loop.. it was somewhere in the realm of perverse and hilarious... the vague sexuality of young Dorothy mouthing 'why' over and over... made me wanna peel a shrimp kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 18:06:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14328; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:05:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:05:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: pcamann@csc.com Subject: Re: RDS 8000 vs. RDS 7.6 (Digitech timemachines) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:02:50 -0400 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on VA-FCH32/SRV/CSC(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 10/03/2000 06:03:09 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>What is the difference? (to the gentleman in the back row,I know one is 7.6 sec. and one is 8 sec.)And they are different in color, but what do the different buttons on the 7.6 do that the knobs on the 8000 do not? << I own one of each, and the short answer to the second question is, well, nothing really. I don't have them in front of me, so I'm going on memory, but the 7.6 has a flashing LED which gives you a visual indication of the start/end of a loop. It may also have an extra control jack or two on the back for setting/synchronizing delay times to drum machines or footswitches. The rotary control on the 8000 (which is a detented pot like the DOD DFX94) does the same thing as the buttons on the 7.6 for range switching. The most important difference is internal -- the 8000 board is _much_ smaller than the 7.6, and has a big honkin' LSI chip for doing all of the delay functions. I believe (someone may want to correct me on this) it is also a 12-bit sampler/delay; the 7.6 is definitely 8-bit. I will now happily unsubscribe and re-enter the lurker's murk... Paul Camann From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 19:53:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16885; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:46:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:46:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:22:15 -0700 From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re:good-natured knifetwisting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000001c02da1$bbdbc260$735cfea9@pavilion> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 References: <39DA15C9.9918617@best.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you're absolutely right and I did ;) even if I didn't put any smilies after my post just couldn't resist the opportunity to call attention to this little escalation of hostilities whch 90% of the time stems from the temporal limitations of e-mail compared to conversational mode--I've been as guilty as anyone on this and other newsgoups--all that time I spent doing aikido and still responding to push with shove . . . when two people chat with each other tete a tete, they get real-time feedback that lets them know how the other is taking it and can clarify their ambiguous remarks before things turn ugly ample opportunities to turn down the gain before the rig spews cacaphony and blows . . . which is why it's always good to let at least one totally outrageous post go right by you before you knee-jerk an equally outrageous one out on the keyboard yeah, me and madeline albright %^+) drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideomo@swbell.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Pulse 8 To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:59 AM Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting > Tom..considering the title of the message, i think we knew you meant no > offense and that's why our retorts were of the same good nature... > > Joshua > Tom Lambrecht hideomo@swbell.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 21:10:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18414; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:08:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:08:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:07:14 -0700 Subject: Re: Anyone using a Rane SM 26B? From: Tiktok To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200010031837.OAA06825@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Anyone using a Rane SM 26B? >I don't know the merits of a balanced buffered signal versus other >signal varieties, so can someone tell me why a unit like this is needed >when a simple patch bay should be able to do the same thing? I've used two SM-26's, both of which I purchased used for under $150 each. The cheapest Switchblade lists for $750. You can take a stereo or mono signal, and then do a bunch of things--three mono send and returns, three stereo sends to another mixer, mono send and return with two stereo splits, etc, etc. The buffered signal helps keep your input level to the various devices (loopers, processors. whatever) constant regardless of what you do to the other channels, helps maintain your fidelity, etc. Their nickname for it is the "Swiss Army Mixer", and I've found it to be very useful. You can use it with balanced or unbalanced signals. I used one for years to take a mono signal, send it to three loopers and then bring it all back to a mono source. You won't be able to recombine four signals with just the SM-26, you'll need a second mixer for more than three mono signals. A simple patchbay won't do all that, but might let you split your signal from one source to several devices and then recombine the signal at the end. TravisH -- Tiktok, Seattle's premier one-man improvisational band. homepage: http://home.sprintmail.com/~tiktok/index.html www.mp3.com/tiktok From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 22:57:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21106; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 22:55:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 22:55:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001003224933.007c7af0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 22:49:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting In-Reply-To: References: <001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion> <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> <001b01c02d67$b20c3600$735cfea9@pavilion> <012a01c02d5b$5c229ce0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> <001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:56 AM 10/3/00 -0700, some purple-haired guy wrote: >that's for sure. Portions of my hair are very purple (this week....), and >the haircut style is definitly not a common one. OK, Kim, now ya gotta post a picture somewhere so we can see what you're talking about... -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 23:15:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21457; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:14:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:14:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:14:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: splattercell::OAH Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hope this won't embarass Mr. Torn too much, but... I picked up the "official" SplatterCell cd ::OAH early this afternoon, and . This is one of the best things I've heard in recent memory. Played it 3 times this afternoon while trying to work with a blown mind. Great, great stuff. I got the "Remikses" disc last week, and it's actually kind of interesting to get my ears accustomed to the remix before hearing the "aktuel" mix (but hey, in these post-post-modern times, what is the real mix anymore anyway?). ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 01:38:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23822; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 01:37:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 01:37:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001004053628.1397.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 22:36:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: good-natured knifetwisting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5rKy7D.A.5zF.bHs25@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ho Yeah! --- Tim Nelson wrote: > At 11:56 AM 10/3/00 -0700, some purple-haired guy wrote: > >that's for sure. Portions of my hair are very purple (this > week....), and > >the haircut style is definitly not a common one. > > OK, Kim, now ya gotta post a picture somewhere so we can see what > you're > talking about... > > -t > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 02:42:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24937; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 02:40:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 02:40:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 23:34:11 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: whoa... In-reply-to: <94.a43e495.270b8082@aol.com> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:33 AM -0700 10/3/00, Merseybeet@aol.com wrote: >i'm not sure who i talked with the last two or three times >i've called but i've only talked with one person who actually works on >them. his atitude was completely disinterested. i asked some questions to >see if i could perhaps troubleshoot it from this end. he was completely >nonchalant. and basically said " yeah, yeah, yeah.. send it in and we'll >send it back to you fixed in six to eight weeks.." sounds like the way things were a year ago, before they fixed the problem. >i'll be glad to talk to shane. do you have a direct number for him? i have >also tried to get thru to the echolplex service folks and been stymied at >least twice... I'm pretty sure I gave it to you last time, but here it is again: Shane is sradtke@gibson.com, 1-800-544-2766 x206 or (847) 741-7315 x206. These phone numbers are readily available on the Echoplex section of the Looper's Delight site. I keep such things up to date, so you should be able to check there any time to get info like this. > i agree that the policy may be better than the last one and for that, >they should be commended. but is it really realistic to have a piece of >pro gear that can only be fixed by a few people in a one place. of course it is! you can ship things anywhere in the country in a day, so there won't be any difference in repair time. (except that Shane gets stuff done much faster than any of the independent services used to.) What pro wouldn't want an expert to fix their gear? Instead you want some untrained guy who could only find a job in the electronics industry at the local music store? It's not like there are a lot of echoplexes needing repairs at any given time, you don't need more than one repair shop. I think this is how most industries work now. >i'll be >touring in europe in a couple of weeks.. what if it crashes there? They make it in Europe!! You can take it directly to Trace Elliot and get it fixed by the technicians there. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 03:29:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25502; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 03:28:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 03:28:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 00:13:09 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: splattercell::OAH In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:14 PM -0700 10/3/00, Dave Trenkel wrote: >I hope this won't embarass Mr. Torn too much, but... > >I picked up the "official" SplatterCell cd ::OAH early this afternoon, and >. This is one of the best things I've heard in recent memory. Played >it 3 times this afternoon while trying to work with a blown mind. Great, >great stuff. I got it too, and second that! I've only got a couple listens on it so far, but it's deep, fabulous music. >I got the "Remikses" disc last week, and it's actually kind of interesting >to get my ears accustomed to the remix before hearing the "aktuel" mix (but >hey, in these post-post-modern times, what is the real mix anymore >anyway?). > I haven't gotten the remix version yet, I guess I'll have to check it out now. I'm really curious to hear what happens when you mix Torn and The Automator. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 04:01:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA25864; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 04:00:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 04:00:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39DAE3EB.12064F4B@dmans.com> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 03:01:47 -0500 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I need a better sounding sampler than a Boomerang! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: > At 2:29 PM -0700 10/1/00, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > >scott...............mnelson@dmans.com this will get you mike nelson > >at boomerang..........the rang went from 12KHz to 24 KHz all samples 16 > >bits........hope this helps......michael > > actually, I understood it was a bit better than that. I think the original > is 16KHz sample rate, and with the upgrade there is a mode to double that > to 32KHz (at half the loop time). This is the same sample quality as the > JamMan. Wait, you're both right. Sort of... The original is 16KHz with 16 bit samples. The V2 upgrade is 24KHz with 16 bit samples. It just sounds like 32KHz. -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 04:10:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26168; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 04:09:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 04:09:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39DAE5DF.DF8E3121@dmans.com> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 03:10:08 -0500 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boomerang Musical Products. Mailbox is full References: <39D88DDF.81F8BA9C@sigecom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Do the guys at Boomerang ever empty their voice mailbox so others can > leave messages. It's been full for 3 weeks! Yeah, we do, but hey, we're just popular. ;) -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 06:49:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA27697; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 06:38:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 06:38:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 06:37:19 EDT Subject: OT: Re: splattercell::OAH To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I hope this won't embarass Mr. Torn too much, but... >I picked up the "official" SplatterCell cd ::OAH early this afternoon, >and . well no, sir, i ain't embarassed: (i just quoted ya, didn't i?) *-) thanks, though. >hey, in these post-post-modern times, what is the real mix anymore >anyway?). exactly..... a loop, kinda like: {>create>reconfigure> Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA28290; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 07:34:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 07:34:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: McCullaghJ@Logica.com Subject: Re: splattercell::OAH To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:33:04 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 04/10/2000 12:33:05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey all .. for those of you who haven't heard these releases, there are sampels of both available on http://www.geocities.com/splattercell/ and another :::OAH sample on Solid States (may be a little slow if the traffic is high) http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn and just FYI, the official URLs (which I think are listed on the releases .. davidtorn.com / splattercell.com) should become active over the next few weeks. John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 09:48:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29809; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:46:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:46:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39DAE3EB.12064F4B@dmans.com> References: <39DAE3EB.12064F4B@dmans.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:49:25 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: I need a better sounding sampler than a Boomerang! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2cPlnC.A.gRH.bSz25@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The V2 upgrade is 24KHz with 16 bit samples. It just sounds like 32KHz. > >-- >Mike Nelson wow, Mike... how did you do that? Are you joking? What is the frequency response? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 09:48:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29803; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:46:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:46:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39DA3360.4BB4AC28@zerocrossing.net> References: <20001002152133.8466.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> <001b01c02d67$b20c3600$735cfea9@pavilion> <012a01c02d5b$5c229ce0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> <001d01c02d6f$dd5c3000$735cfea9@pavilion> <39DA3360.4BB4AC28@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:48:20 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: speaking of Echoplexes... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I was a very good boy and did a few extra contract jobs. Now I've got a chunk >of cash and it's got looper written all over it. (which is a Federal offense, >but who cares?) > >So I guess my question is not if the Echoplex will be my tool of >choice, but is >it available? I put my name in at Alto music months ago when the first >re-releases started shipping, but never heard back. The Electrix page says >11/15 is the release date of the Repeater. As I observe the process at Trace, they will not quite make it for that date, but real soon afterwards... >I'd love to be able to demo the two >together, as they both sound great. I'd also like to have 40 slaves >pealing me >shrimp all day. someone told me they are the cockroaches of the sea... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 10:04:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30285; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:02:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:02:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39DB2B03.E58014FF@sigecom.net> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:05:08 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Question for Boomerang upgraders/Mike Nelson. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Di you guys have to send in the whole pedal to have the guys at Boomerang install the upgrade or did you get the upgrade and do it yourself? Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 11:01:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31228; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:59:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:59:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 07:58:21 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Anyone using a Rane SM 26B? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA31191 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> I don't know the merits of a balanced buffered signal versus other signal varieties, so can someone tell me why a unit like this is needed when a simple patch bay should be able to do the same thing? Well... you can split or mult with a patch bay, but you won't get buffering which keeps signal levels at or near unity. You CAN actually boost your signal with the SM26 at the output allowing for better gain staging. The individual channels are unity gain I believe. You probably shouldn't recombine or mult outputs (mixing). > I've used two SM-26's, both of which I purchased used for under $150 each. The cheapest Switchblade lists for $750. Good prices! I sold mine (maybe on this list?) for more like $250... They're worth it... Still a LOT cheaper than the 8 channel Switchblade. (Although the blade does things NO other system will do, although you HAVE to have a midi controller and a computer to program and use it. > You can take a stereo or mono signal, and then do a bunch of things--three mono send and returns, three stereo sends to another mixer, mono send and return with two stereo splits, etc, etc. The buffered signal helps keep your input level to the various devices (loopers, processors. whatever) constant regardless of what you do to the other channels, helps maintain your fidelity, etc. Their nickname for it is the "Swiss Army Mixer", and I've found it to be very useful. You can use it with balanced or unbalanced signals. I used one for years to take a mono signal, send it to three loopers and then bring it all back to a mono source. You won't be able to recombine four signals with just the SM-26, you'll need a second mixer for more than three mono signals. All true... I mostly used my as 2 aux sends and returned 2 stereo pairs... The output volume knob served as a handy master volume knob on my rack. > A simple patchbay won't do all that, but might let you split your signal from one source to several devices and then recombine the signal at the end. TravisH Again... watch out trying to recombine outputs from other boxes with a patchbay. Splitting is fine... (Anyone have a more technical explanation of this?) Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 11:47:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32018; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:46:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:46:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39DB5F60.5F0A270A@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 08:48:33 -0800 From: joe & sheila Reply-To: onelonecrow@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Re: splattercell::OAH References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OT , But since it was posted to the list...... Dave, are your dates at the Knitting Factory (L.A.) still a go?? I've checked their sight but, but your gigs are not listed.. If they are I'll see ya there.. TIA joe Texture444@aol.com wrote: > >I hope this won't embarass Mr. Torn too much, but... > >I picked up the "official" SplatterCell cd ::OAH early this afternoon, > >and . > > well no, sir, i ain't embarassed: > (i just quoted ya, didn't i?) > *-) > thanks, though. > > > >hey, in these post-post-modern times, what is the real mix anymore > >anyway?). > exactly..... a loop, kinda like: > {>create>reconfigure> maybe not so elegant nor refined, but..... > best, > dt / sc > > SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) > SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH > (CD & vinyl; 65 minute EP--- remixes of SPLaTTeRCeLL ::: OAH > by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter > Burwell, SPLaTTeRCeLL feat. Tim Bowness (of NoMan), Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando > Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 extra SPLaTTeRCeLL track) > > All On CeLLDiviSioN/75Ark: http://www.75ark.com > > SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah > Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf > List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 12:16:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32586; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:15:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:15:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Merseybeet@aol.com Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:12:29 EDT Subject: Re: whoa... To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <7d.b2a1e06.270cb144@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kim, thanks for the information. i will call shane and see what he says. i'm curious, though, if only a few need repairing, i wonder why the turnaround was so long (even with fed-x shipping..)? i will be mostly in holland and belgium in november and dec. is there a place there to have things looked at in short order? thanks monk ric hordinski From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 12:41:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00567; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:39:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:39:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:37:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Anyone using a Rane SM 26B? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:58 AM -0700 10/4/00, Mike Biffle wrote: >Again... watch out trying to recombine outputs from other boxes with >a patchbay. Splitting is fine... (Anyone have a more technical >explanation of this?) This is sort of a simple view of this issue: Outputs are generally quite low impedance (600 ohm or lower), Inputs are generally quite high impedance (10K ohm or higher, although most modern equipment is in the Meg-ohm range). Low impedance is used on outputs so that there is sufficient power to drive a run of cable. Low impedance outputs deliver enough current to cause them to fight to drive the line. You could build a simple passive mixer into a patch bay using resistors to raise the impedance to a point where the outputs are isolated from each other. An input loads an output, but modern high impedance inputs are hardly any load on a low impedance output. Several high impedance inputs can hang off of one low impedance output without undue loading. Splitting in a patch bay works pretty well, particularly if the inputs you are splitting to have similar input impedances. _________________________________________________________ The optimist sees a glass half full... | Chris Muir The pessimist sees a glass half empty... | cbm@well.com The realist sees a glass twice as big as it needs to be. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 13:11:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01160; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:10:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:10:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39DB63F2.7420C6E0@best.com> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 10:08:02 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone using a Rane SM 26B? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_Vy4KB.A.zR.HR225@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you Tiktok, Claude, and Mike for providing such useful information on my split-mix, buffered, and balanced questions. Just try to get a straight answer at a music/gear store on stuff like this! It's what makes LD such a great place to hang out. -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 13:20:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01398; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:18:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:18:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 10:16:49 -0700 Subject: Looping Gig: Electrochakra @ The Old Peculiar 10/7/00 (Seattle, WA) From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Electrochakra, a loop-heavy trio, will be playing this Saturday night at The Old Peculiar (1722 NW. Market, Seattle, Washington, USA) between 10:30PM and 1AM. Admission is free, but the Bread Alone Project (http://members.tripod.com/breadaloneproject/index.html) will be accepting donations of canned food at the door and selling copies of the Bread Alone CD, a compilation of Seattle-area musicians with proceeds going to the Bread Alone Project. New mp3's of Electrochakra have just been posted to: www.mp3.com/electrochakra for your listening enjoyment. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Electrochakra -- MP3's and calendar of upcoming shows available at: www.mp3.com/electrochakra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 14:29:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02846; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:28:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:28:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 11:20:17 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Anyone using a Rane SM 26B? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA02803 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Again... watch out trying to recombine outputs from other boxes with a patchbay. Splitting is fine... (Anyone have a more technical explanation of this?) > This is sort of a simple view of this issue: > Outputs are generally quite low impedance (600 ohm or lower), Inputs are generally quite high impedance (10K ohm or higher, although most modern equipment is in the Meg-ohm range). > Low impedance is used on outputs so that there is sufficient power to drive a run of cable. Low impedance outputs deliver enough current to cause them to fight to drive the line. You could build a simple passive mixer into a patch bay using resistors to raise the impedance to a point where the outputs are isolated from each other. Are they just tied to ground? What values might be a good starting point... I could see myself doing some mods to my bay to gain this ability! Get rid of my line mixer possibly. > An input loads an output, but modern high impedance inputs are hardly any load on a low impedance output. Several high impedance inputs can hang off of one low impedance output without undue loading. Splitting in a patch bay works pretty well, particularly if the inputs you are splitting to have similar input impedances. Thanks for the insights Chris... Time to finally buy a multi-meter and start using it! > Thank you Tiktok, Claude, and Mike for providing such useful information on my split-mix, buffered, and balanced questions. Just try to get a straight answer at a music/gear store on stuff like this! It's what makes LD such a great place to hang out. My pleasure Alan... glad I can get backup from the real tech gods around here as well! You'll NEVER hear this stuff at a music store... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 14:44:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03209; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:43:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:43:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:42:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: splattercell::OAH Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:13 AM 10/4/00, Kim Flint wrote: > >I haven't gotten the remix version yet, I guess I'll have to check it out >now. I'm really curious to hear what happens when you mix Torn and The >Automator. :-) > The Tornomator? (Wasn't that a Yes record?) But seriously, it feels to me like the the OAH CD is a set of cells arranged to form one organism, the remix disc is the same set re-rdered to create a different beast. The compositions (other than "is love", which appears on both discs) are very different, it's not like the tunes are being re-purposed for the dance floor, it's like the remixers were encouraged to create entirely new pieces. I particularly like the Carter Burwell remix, because he's one of my favorite film composers and it's interesting to hear what he does in this context. One interesting twist: the piece "Romance Refined" on the remix disc adds Tim Bowness' (very David Sylvain-esque) vocals to "Romance w/space also letted go", making the remix sound more like an original tune and the original sound more like a remix of the remix, if ya know what I mean... ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 15:54:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04478; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:53:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:53:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20001004144943.00828300@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 14:49:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Guitar Signal Question - A Bit OT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, This may be a bit OT, apologies in advance. I have guitar signal question. The problem is that I'm not getting a strong enough guitar signal through my set-up, thus the effects I am using don't sound as big or as vibrant as they can/should. I have been fooling around with the set-up and have found that the signal from guitar -> A/B -> 2112 -> Volume Pedal -> Amp sounds great. I've placed a mic pre in between the VP and Mixer, Mixer and EDP and it sounds muddy (even at low gain on the mic pre). Here's the set-up in the order of connections: Guitar A/B Box (2 Outs) Digitech 2101 Digitech 2112 Stereo Volume Pedal Direct Box For 2112 Out To Mixer To (to boost gain = somewhat helpful) Berringer Mixer Oberheim Echoplex Berringer Denoiser (Noise Gate) Amp Any help is greatly appreciated. I just want to have the strength of signal that I would get if I just plugged directly into one of the Digitechs and out to an amp. (I wish the Echoplex was stereo i/o, or 2 channels i/o or something - but I love the Echoplex). Thanks! Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 16:21:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04929; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:19:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:19:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39DB906E.6044926B@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:17:50 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guitar Signal Question - A Bit OT References: <3.0.3.32.20001004144943.00828300@mail.airmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's just a matter of achieving something called "unity gain" which means keeping the level the same throughout the path. You don't need any boosting device. Get that mic pre out of there! All you need to do is make sure all your input and output levels are where they should be. It's just a matter of trial and error, checking one device at a time. Some experimentation and patience should do the trick. Mark Michael Clark wrote: > Hi, > > This may be a bit OT, apologies in advance. > > I have guitar signal question. > > The problem is that I'm not getting a strong enough guitar signal through > my set-up, thus the effects I am using don't sound as big or as vibrant as > they can/should. > > I have been fooling around with the set-up and have found that the signal > from guitar -> A/B -> 2112 -> Volume Pedal -> Amp sounds great. I've > placed a mic pre in between the VP and Mixer, Mixer and EDP and it sounds > muddy (even at low gain on the mic pre). > > Here's the set-up in the order of connections: > Guitar > A/B Box (2 Outs) > Digitech 2101 > Digitech 2112 > Stereo Volume Pedal > Direct Box For 2112 Out To Mixer To (to boost gain = somewhat helpful) > Berringer Mixer > Oberheim Echoplex > Berringer Denoiser (Noise Gate) > Amp > > Any help is greatly appreciated. I just want to have the strength of > signal that I would get if I just plugged directly into one of the > Digitechs and out to an amp. > > (I wish the Echoplex was stereo i/o, or 2 channels i/o or something - but I > love the Echoplex). > > Thanks! > > Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 16:50:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05628; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:49:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:49:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:48:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: shameless self-promotion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9nDS7D.A.sXB.le525@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, finally got off my ass and got going on the whole mp3.com deal. i have uploaded a couple of tunes from my solo recording project, AsOpaque. http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/167/asopaque.html would love to have some feedback from y'all if you get a chance to check it out! best regards, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 16:55:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05774; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:54:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:54:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:52:47 EDT Subject: Re: Guitar Signal Question - A Bit OT To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <42.b824171.270cf2a0@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi: I just struggled with a similar problem. I'm running my guitar into a Line6 Pro Pod then into an Alesis Quadraverb then into my Mackie mixer (with interchangable guitar pedals prior to the Pro Pod on occasion). I'm now taking a direct out of the mixer into a Behringer patchbay that connects to a PreSonus Blue Max compressor. Then into the Echoplex. The compressor helped out immeasurably with guitar as well as with digital drums, Roland Handsonic, et al into the Echoplex. Prior to using the compressor to front-end the Echoplex, I was having weak signal problems or, if I boosted the Echoplex gain, horrible distortion problems. Now I can get a nice, hefty signal into Echoplex (and keep the led nice and green with an occasional orange) with no distortion. Regards, Paul "the Butch Band" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 17:06:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06038; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:05:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:05:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Merseybeet@aol.com Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:03:58 EDT Subject: Re: Guitar Signal Question - A Bit OT To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Any help is greatly appreciated. I just want to have >the strength of >signal that I would get if I just plugged directly into >one of the >Digitechs and out to an amp. michael, is your a/b box active? it sounds like you have a loading problem. try the morley active a/b/c box. it usees a battery but i have used them on the raod for years and they keep your pickups from loading (dull lifeless/weak signal.) monk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 18:52:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08365; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:41:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:41:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200010042240.PAA10638@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 15:40:20 -0700 Subject: Re: Guitar Signal Question - A Bit OT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com here is my humble opinion after yrs of head scratchin and thoughts of suicide(!?) the *only* way to get a beefy guitar signal w/ effex is for the guitar amplifier (pre)amp to see a signal right off the guitar's pick-ups -after that anything you use(mostly, you know them impedances, etc) to influence or alter that signal will work w/ some tweekin.so hopefully you have an effects loop in your guitar amp because there is only one rule-anything that you put between your guitar and your pre-amp degrades that signal-the more the 'worser'.IMHO...stanner ---------- >From: Mark Sottilaro >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Guitar Signal Question - A Bit OT >Date: Wed, Oct 4, 2000, 1:17 PM > >It's just a matter of achieving something called "unity gain" which means >keeping the level the same throughout the path. You don't need any boosting >device. Get that mic pre out of there! All you need to do is make sure all >your input and output levels are where they should be. It's just a matter of >trial and error, checking one device at a time. Some experimentation and >patience should do the trick. > >Mark > >Michael Clark wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> This may be a bit OT, apologies in advance. >> >> I have guitar signal question. >> >> The problem is that I'm not getting a strong enough guitar signal through >> my set-up, thus the effects I am using don't sound as big or as vibrant as >> they can/should. >> >> I have been fooling around with the set-up and have found that the signal >> from guitar -> A/B -> 2112 -> Volume Pedal -> Amp sounds great. I've >> placed a mic pre in between the VP and Mixer, Mixer and EDP and it sounds >> muddy (even at low gain on the mic pre). >> >> Here's the set-up in the order of connections: >> Guitar >> A/B Box (2 Outs) >> Digitech 2101 >> Digitech 2112 >> Stereo Volume Pedal >> Direct Box For 2112 Out To Mixer To (to boost gain = somewhat helpful) >> Berringer Mixer >> Oberheim Echoplex >> Berringer Denoiser (Noise Gate) >> Amp >> >> Any help is greatly appreciated. I just want to have the strength of >> signal that I would get if I just plugged directly into one of the >> Digitechs and out to an amp. >> >> (I wish the Echoplex was stereo i/o, or 2 channels i/o or something - but I >> love the Echoplex). >> >> Thanks! >> >> Michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 18:58:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08618; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:52:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:52:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39DBB492.9572C51@hoover-keith.com> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:52:02 -0500 From: "Ryan D. Supak" X-Sender: "Ryan D. Supak" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ot : fireworx References: <200010042240.PAA10638@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5qLTk.A.eGC.IS725@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (please pardon the off-topic post.) I am selling a TC Electronic FireworX multi-effects unit. It is in showroom condition with the original box, manual, warranty card, and power cord. (There are still 2 years, 2 months remaining on the warranty.) Interested parties, please e-mail me privately. thanks, ryan supak From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 19:04:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09077; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:03:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:03:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:02:35 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Guitar Signal Question - A Bit OT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA09054 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> stanitarium@earthlink.net 10/04/00 03:40PM >>> > ... the *only* way to get a beefy guitar signal w/ effex is for the guitar amplifier (pre)amp to see a signal right off the guitar's pick-ups-after that anything you use(mostly, you know them impedances, etc) to influence or alter that signal will work w/ some tweekin.so hopefully you have an effects loop in your guitar amp because there is only one rule-anything that you put between your guitar and your pre-amp degrades that signal-the more the worser'.IMHO...stanner I realize that there's a cult of "nothing but the cord" sort of thing going on here. I respect that for those of you who actually WANT pristine guitar-amp-like sound... yeah... maybe that IS a good rule of thumb. But I've gotta say that NO amp out there makes the requisite ugly sounds I need to realize my finest musical goals. *-) I absolutely have to have a Fuzz Factory / Experience Fuzz / Big Cheese somewhere in my signal chain. The rest can be placed somewhere after the preamp, but damn! I just can't get enough of dem f***boxes! I also achieve a pretty damn HOT input level coming out of these boxes. The Fuzz Factory and Experience are both capable of WAAAAYYYY hot levels, and the Big Cheese is at least slightly above unity. I'd say it's probably the a/b box where he splits to his two guitar preamp/effectors or the Digi boxes themselves... they may require serious tweaking to get levels in a new ballpark... especially if all your patches are based on your own tweaking which got you there in the first place. I do the opposite and get the signals too HOT in my Boss GT-5 and then have to go through them all trying to get them at a more useful volume. >> Here's the set-up in the order of connections: >> Guitar >> A/B Box (2 Outs) >> Digitech 2101 >> Digitech 2112 >> Stereo Volume Pedal >> Direct Box For 2112 Out To Mixer To (to boost gain = somewhat helpful) >> Berringer Mixer >> Oberheim Echoplex >> Berringer Denoiser (Noise Gate) >> Amp There's a product which may be out of production called a Flo-Ho... anyone remember these? They were a pretty recent item... They split your signal to multiple amps and present the proper impedance to the guitar pickups. (Maybe Chris Muir will speak up here for the truly tech description!) Anyway... I'm thinking that you may need to carefully look at each stage of your rig and look at the level there individually. Make sure your Digitech units are able to get a fairly hot level +3 - +5 to your mixer. You might have to tweak several of the various modules to get them all functioning at the proper levels. Good luck! Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 20:40:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11465; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:39:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:39:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:40:51 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Impedance matching Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9T50SC.A.5yC.E2825@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 7:58 AM -0700 10/4/00, Mike Biffle wrote: >>Again... watch out trying to recombine outputs from other boxes >>with a patchbay. Splitting is fine... (Anyone have a more technical >>explanation of this?) > >This is sort of a simple view of this issue: Thank you! Just to complete: >Outputs are generally quite low impedance (600 ohm or lower), Still a lot of effect units and built in guitar preamps have 10k ohm outputs, meant to connect to a line input. Many OpAmp outputs that can drive 600 ohm without loss of volume are not distortion free in this situation. >Inputs are generally quite high impedance (10K ohm or higher, >although most modern equipment is in the Meg-ohm range). Input impedance is not related to modernity. Tubes achieve high impedance easily. The advantage of a lower input impedance is less sensitivity to oscilation and less noise/hum, especially in case of being open (not used). Microphone inputs should be at 600 ohm to avoid reflections in case of long cables (transmission line). But a mic also works on a higher impedance input. "Line" inputs (also home RCA kind) have 10k...50k ohm. High impedance in the Megohm range are only needed for pickups, especially piezo and guitar magnetics. So only equipment for instruments have this high impedance, not mixing desks. Frequent impedance missmatches are: guitar - mixer guitar kind volume pedal (500kOhm) - mixer guitar - passive DI box line out - long cable to stage A too low input imedance cuts treble of a magnetic pickup but bass of a piezo pickup. > Splitting in a patch bay works pretty well, particularly if the >inputs you are splitting to have similar input impedances. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 21:39:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12923; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:38:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:38:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <32.af4a99b.270d353f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:37:03 EDT Subject: SplatterCell cd To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can it be bought anywhere else than "www.75ark.com." 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Thanks, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 23:31:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15825; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:30:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:30:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001005032908.14850.qmail@web6302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:29:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: FS:Echoplex EDP, LOOP III, 198 sec. on e-bay To: analogue@hyperreal.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=459027037 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 01:14:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18508; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 01:13:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 01:13:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: speaking of Echoplexes... Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:06:26 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But they're damn delicious cockroaches-of-the-sea... | -----Original Message----- | From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] | Sent: Wednesday 04 October 2000 6:48 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: Re: speaking of Echoplexes... | | >together, as they both sound great. I'd also like to have 40 slaves | >pealing me | >shrimp all day. | | someone told me they are the cockroaches of the sea... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 03:28:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21350; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 03:27:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 03:27:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014801c02e9d$82943cb0$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: References: <32.af4a99b.270d353f@aol.com> Subject: Re: SplatterCell cd Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:25:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <8HLsSD.A.YNF.W0C35@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Can it be bought anywhere else than "www.75ark.com." I cannot access web > site. > > Thanks, James > apparently it's on amazon.com os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 03:31:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21429; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 03:30:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 03:30:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015601c02e9d$e1207dc0$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: References: Subject: Re: splattercell::OAH / No-Man Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:28:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > One interesting twist: the piece "Romance Refined" on the remix disc adds > Tim Bowness' (very David Sylvain-esque) vocals to "Romance w/space also > letted go", making the remix sound more like an original tune and the > original sound more like a remix of the remix, if ya know what I mean... Just in case anyone's interested, Tim Bowness has plenty of other projects on the go, including the highly loop-friendly "Darkroom" (of which I'm a member). Some links: http://www.collective.co.uk/noman/ http://www.collective.co.uk/darkroom/ http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/ cheers, os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 04:15:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA22034; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 04:14:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 04:14:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 00:52:12 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: splattercell::OAH In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:42 AM -0700 10/4/00, Dave Trenkel wrote: >At 12:13 AM 10/4/00, Kim Flint wrote: >> >>I haven't gotten the remix version yet, I guess I'll have to check it out >>now. I'm really curious to hear what happens when you mix Torn and The >>Automator. :-) >> >The Tornomator? (Wasn't that a Yes record?) > >But seriously, it feels to me like the the OAH CD is a set of cells >arranged to form one organism, the remix disc is the same set re-rdered to >create a different beast. hey, the cd says it comes with splattercell loops to use with Acid. I propose we have a Looper's Delight Torn remix-athon! Let's see what the nut cases on this list can do with it. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 07:43:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27378; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 07:42:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 07:42:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <12.31f9dfc.270dc2e4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 07:41:24 EDT Subject: OT: Re: SplatterCell cd To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Can it be bought anywhere else than "www.75ark.com." I cannot access web >site. j, 75ark doesn't do direct-sales, anyway, as far as i know. however, the disc is pretty (shockingly) available. try these shops: virgin / tower or, these dotcoms: artist-shop / amazon / cdnow / bn / etc etc best, d From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 13:14:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32689; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:11:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:11:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000930054259.27780.qmail@web6303.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20000930054259.27780.qmail@web6303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:12:58 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP serial numbers since last problems? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Has there ever been a "serial number since last >problems" research? I would like to know if I have a >potential lemon. (I got my GIBSON EDP in March-April >2000) as far as I know all GIBSON EDPs so far come out of the same batch. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 13:47:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00666; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:46:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:46:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:45:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: splattercell::OAH Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >hey, the cd says it comes with splattercell loops to use with Acid. I >propose we have a Looper's Delight Torn remix-athon! Let's see what the >nut cases on this list can do with it. :-) > Sounds like a great idea! We could splatter them cells but good! Unfortunately, I'm stuck in Antacidland (mac). Can Acidulated .wav's be imported into, say, Logic Audio? I'll look into this later. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 14:41:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01485; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:40:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:40:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <05cb01c02efc$7cd14660$ee300018@potlnd1.or.home.com> From: "Neil Goldstein" To: References: Subject: Re: splattercell::OAH Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:45:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <5nWVAB.A.8W.trM35@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Trenkel" To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:45 AM Subject: Re: splattercell::OAH > Sounds like a great idea! We could splatter them cells but good! > > Unfortunately, I'm stuck in Antacidland (mac). Can Acidulated .wav's be > imported into, say, Logic Audio? I'll look into this later. Dave Saw an ad in Keyboard that Bitheadz has their new Phrazer program, which is the 'long awaited' Acid functionality for the Mac. One of the features is that it will import Acid loops. Are those .wav files on the Splat* CD? Yeah Logic will import those, if the Mac will read the format of the CD? Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 14:49:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01664; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:47:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:47:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001005114422.00aeda40@crash.cts.com> X-Sender: harvey@crash.cts.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 11:44:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Ztars'R'Us" Subject: Some looping features setup for MTV Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi! We put an interesting rig out on the road last week with a touring MTV show, "Campus Invasion", which is intended to promo the upcoming MTV television season. There were several interactive electronic music exhibits planned and we were called in at the last minute to supply some electronic guitars. Twelve days before the show was to ship out. Their initial request was for a MIDI guitar to input to some Hotz-style re-mapping software that removes all of the wrong notes from a controller when playing along with a pre-programmed song. An entertainment device for non-musicians. This worked ok but the note-choices in their re-mapping software were fairly random, and it was difficult to see the rhyme or reason as you played, even though the notes were within the proper key-center. They didn't know how to re-write the lookup table to fix this, so the idea was dumped in about a week into it, without telling me of course. Then the idea was to put out just an elecronic guitar forthousands of visitng MTV guests to jam on. Thinking that anyone who has access to a big metal guitar sound will be instantly shredding. So we put together a Kurzweil K200RVP with a disk drive and extra RAM and installed some 10Meg and 20Meg guitar samples that killed. Connect the Ztar, our new Z6-S After the first demo of the system it was clear after passing around the instrument that not everyone can do it. Funny thing. I thought Ed VanHalen was shipped inside these things. Also, the users for this were not to be allowed to touch any of the controls either on any of the equipment, including ProgramChange. The reason being that people would tend to disable or damage the setup through mindless button-pushing. We covered all the buttons with Lexan cover plates. So to bring back the instant gratification, and hide the controls, we installed a Kurzweil EventStation in the rack and set it up with four footswitches.. The footswitches were programmed in the EventStation to: #1- Step through varoius guitar samples #2- Step through a bank of sampled grooves. Every time you hit the pedal you get a new groove in the chain. #3- MuteAll in case it goes crazy. #4- Bank alternate swapped banks of sounds and samples. We kept this to a minimum because a) we didn't have much time to load and setup the samples and b) we could easily overkill the app with complexity that neither the users nor the road crew could understand. We also put in some chains of fixed CC settings to alter just one guitar sound which was cool. Another way to skin cats. We could've put in hundreds of samples and loops with CC settings continuous from a CC pedal rather than a footswitch, but no time. In all it was an entertaining rig and I was happy that it went together for the very first time without any hangups in just a couple of days. The toughest part was setting up the K2000 with samples and programs and keymaps assigned to the correct places. However, now that it's done, I can see that the setups in the K2000 and the EventStation were pretty generic and one could completely change the character of this new instrument combination just by changing the sample sets and the maybe the CC assignments. Interesting. We could also have setup the Ztar to fire loops, arpeggios and such directly from the Fingerboard or Triggers but there was no time to sort out a sensible arrangement for this application. Next time. There was no time to set up realtime sampling/playback from the Kurzweil so we never included that in the spec. Likewise, if we had KDFX installed in the Kurzweil we could've included even fatter, more expressive samples with realtime control over distortion, for instance. Maybe next time. There was also no time to set up MIDI-sequence recording/playback from the Ztar which has some interesting possibilities. Too omplex for this venue I suppose. There was one setup we tried and didn't keep that had SteveStevens guitar-hit samples assigned to the fingerboard... little licks and guitar noises, dive bombs and stuff. Not notes in the ordinary sense. People were astonished to play this! Not really music as it's just a big sound effects map but when they played a chord or a line, well... it's funny. cheers, harveyS http://www.starrlabs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 15:45:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02708; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:43:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:43:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200010051943.MAA27817@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:43:46 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Re: SplatterCell cd To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4cv-d.A.kp.JnN35@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com got it @ borders sf yesterday-stanner ---------- >From: Texture444@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: OT: Re: SplatterCell cd >Date: Thu, Oct 5, 2000, 4:41 AM > >>Can it be bought anywhere else than "www.75ark.com." I cannot access web >>site. >j, >75ark doesn't do direct-sales, anyway, as far as i know. >however, the disc is pretty (shockingly) available. >try these shops: >virgin / tower >or, these dotcoms: >artist-shop / amazon / cdnow / bn / etc etc >best, >d > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 15:53:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02887; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:51:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:51:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:54:19 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: speaking of Echoplexes... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > | >together, as they both sound great. I'd also like to have 40 slaves > | >pealing me > | >shrimp all day. > | > | someone told me they are the cockroaches of the sea... >But they're damn delicious cockroaches-of-the-sea... did you try the shrimp-of-the-ground ones? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 22:46:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08983; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:45:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:45:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: splattercell::OAH Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 19:49:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <05cb01c02efc$7cd14660$ee300018@potlnd1.or.home.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sure that one of us PC boys can acidize them to the tempo you require and send them to you. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@home.com] Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:46 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: splattercell::OAH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Trenkel" To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:45 AM Subject: Re: splattercell::OAH > Sounds like a great idea! We could splatter them cells but good! > > Unfortunately, I'm stuck in Antacidland (mac). Can Acidulated .wav's be > imported into, say, Logic Audio? I'll look into this later. Dave Saw an ad in Keyboard that Bitheadz has their new Phrazer program, which is the 'long awaited' Acid functionality for the Mac. One of the features is that it will import Acid loops. Are those .wav files on the Splat* CD? Yeah Logic will import those, if the Mac will read the format of the CD? Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 01:59:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11315; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 01:58:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 01:58:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39DD6A3C.BDFBF221@dmans.com> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 00:59:24 -0500 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I need a better sounding sampler than a Boomerang! References: <39DAE3EB.12064F4B@dmans.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >The V2 upgrade is 24KHz with 16 bit samples. It just sounds like 32KHz. > > > >-- > >Mike Nelson > > wow, Mike... how did you do that? Are you joking? > What is the frequency response? I'm not joking; I'm bragging. :) Actually the Nyquist theorem rules all; I just think the Rang sounds great. But what else would I say. Nyquist says that the maximum frequency that can be captured (represented) is less than half the sampling rate. -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 06:17:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13576; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:16:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:16:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000301c02f7b$9c726740$59276cd5@default> Reply-To: "Martin Shakeshaft" From: "Martin Shakeshaft" To: Subject: Hi - Jam Man substitute? Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 10:54:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C02F83.CE50D8C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C02F83.CE50D8C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First of all let me introduce myself. I am a Wind Synth player, based in = the UK. I play a WX11 wind controller with a VL1 and VL70. For anyone = wondering these are both physical modelling synths from Yamaha. For a lot of my work I also use a Lexicon Jam Man. For a solo project I have been planning I actually need two units, but = as you will all know the Jam Man has been discontinued..So here is the = question, what would you suggest I try. I have contacted a shop here in = the UK that imports the Boomerang, but they are currently out of stock. = Should I wait or is there anything else I should look at? Does anyone have a Jam Man they want to sell? Any help would be appreciated. Cheers Martin ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C02F83.CE50D8C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

First of all let me introduce myself. I am a Wind Synth player, based = in the=20 UK. I play a WX11 wind controller with a VL1 and VL70. For anyone = wondering=20 these are both physical modelling synths from Yamaha.

For a lot of my work I also use a Lexicon Jam Man.

For a solo project I have been planning I actually need two units, = but as you=20 will all know the Jam Man has been discontinued….So here is the = question, what=20 would you suggest I try. I have contacted a shop here in the UK that = imports the=20 Boomerang, but they are currently out of stock. Should I wait or is = there=20 anything else I should look at?

 

Does anyone have a Jam Man they want to sell?

Any help would be appreciated.

Cheers

Martin

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C02F83.CE50D8C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 07:19:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13969; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 07:18:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 07:18:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006401c02f86$feeafcb0$51cec22b@cambmaya04> From: "Os" To: References: <000301c02f7b$9c726740$59276cd5@default> Subject: Re: Hi - Jam Man substitute? Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:17:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0061_01C02F8F.60893F10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <2_BKU.A.IaD.0Tb35@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C02F8F.60893F10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd recommend the Akai Headrush. os. os@scee.sony.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/ http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/ http://www.collective.co.uk/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Martin Shakeshaft=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 10:54 AM Subject: Hi - Jam Man substitute? First of all let me introduce myself. I am a Wind Synth player, based = in the UK. I play a WX11 wind controller with a VL1 and VL70. For anyone = wondering these are both physical modelling synths from Yamaha. For a lot of my work I also use a Lexicon Jam Man. For a solo project I have been planning I actually need two units, but = as you will all know the Jam Man has been discontinued..So here is the = question, what would you suggest I try. I have contacted a shop here in = the UK that imports the Boomerang, but they are currently out of stock. = Should I wait or is there anything else I should look at? Does anyone have a Jam Man they want to sell? Any help would be appreciated. Cheers Martin ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C02F8F.60893F10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'd recommend the Akai = Headrush.
 
 
os.
 
 
os@scee.sony.co.uk
http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/<= BR>http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/
http://www.collective.co.uk/
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Martin = Shakeshaft=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 = 10:54=20 AM
Subject: Hi - Jam Man = substitute?

First of all let me introduce myself. I am a Wind Synth player, = based in=20 the UK. I play a WX11 wind controller with a VL1 and VL70. For anyone=20 wondering these are both physical modelling synths from Yamaha.

For a lot of my work I also use a Lexicon Jam Man.

For a solo project I have been planning I actually need two units, = but as=20 you will all know the Jam Man has been discontinued….So here is = the question,=20 what would you suggest I try. I have contacted a shop here in the UK = that=20 imports the Boomerang, but they are currently out of stock. Should I = wait or=20 is there anything else I should look at?

 

Does anyone have a Jam Man they want to sell?

Any help would be appreciated.

Cheers

Martin

------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C02F8F.60893F10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 07:22:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14084; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 07:21:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 07:21:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <86.1203a8d.270f0f71@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 07:20:17 EDT Subject: Re: splattercell::OAH To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <_EAlRD.A.3bD.TWb35@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dt sayed: >Can Acidulated .wav's be >imported into, say, Logic Audio? yes. best, dt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 08:06:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14468; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:05:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:05:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c02f8d$6f37dc80$9b9ed8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <000301c02f7b$9c726740$59276cd5@default> <006401c02f86$feeafcb0$51cec22b@cambmaya04> Subject: Re: Hi - Jam Man substitute? Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 05:03:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C02F52.C1EE0840" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <-pVL6.A.6hD.E_b35@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C02F52.C1EE0840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello-- I sold my Jamman to buy an Echoplex Digital Pro and have not regretted = it. Here's one on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D459027037 but they are higher priced than say, the DL4 by Line 6. Are you adding = to or replacing your unit? Because if you are substituting, you will = find the EDP to be a very good replacement. Gary ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C02F52.C1EE0840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello--
I sold my Jamman to buy an Echoplex Digital Pro and = have not=20 regretted it.  Here's one on eBay:
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D45902= 7037
 
but they are higher priced than say, the DL4 by Line = 6. =20 Are you adding to or replacing your unit?  Because if you are = substituting,=20 you will find the EDP to be a very good replacement.
Gary
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C02F52.C1EE0840-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 11:36:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16712; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:34:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:34:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: larry.peterson@autodesk.com Message-ID: <5976CCA1A985D311953900805FA7CAE36D4C9E@hqmsgsrf07.autodesk.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MIDI Mapper for PC? Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:33:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Help! I'd like my laptop (running ACID) to my Echoplex. ACID sends MIDI time code or MIDI clock, but the 'plex accepts only controller or note messages. Does anyone have a handle on a software MIDI mapper that will map MTC or MIDI clocks to note/controller messages? Thanks - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 12:33:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17486; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:32:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:32:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017e01c02fb2$478b9cb0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <5976CCA1A985D311953900805FA7CAE36D4C9E@hqmsgsrf07.autodesk.com> Subject: Re: MIDI Mapper for PC? Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:27:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Larry! > I'd like my laptop (running ACID) to my Echoplex. > ACID sends MIDI time code or MIDI clock, but the > 'plex accepts only controller or note messages. > Does anyone have a handle on a software MIDI mapper > that will map MTC or MIDI clocks to note/controller > messages? Last time I suggested some auxiliary reading, I got in trouble! :( But I don't know when to quit so here I go again! Check out http://www.harmony-central.com/MIDI/Doc/tutorial.html#intro for some good info on MTC and MIDI real-time data. I suggest this 'cause MIDI note on/off and controller messages serve a completely different purpose than the real-time MIDI messages. You can't go from one to the other. It's like apples and oranges. So I thought the Harmony Central info might help you sort it out. The 'plex does read MIDI clock (but not MTC). That's how it syncs with drum machines, etc. A MIDI clock acts like a metronome. It's basically a pulse generator making "blips" at a rate related to the song's tempo. You have to set the 'plex's SYNC to IN though. And you might need to futz with the 1/8's per beat, etc. MIDI time code (MTC) is another animal. It gives info like "we're at measure X." The 'plex doesn't do anything with MTC. What do you want to do? Are you sync'ing the 'plex to the laptop? Or controlling (as in start/stop/overdub/etc) the 'plex from your laptop? I hope this helps. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 12:37:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17713; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:35:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:35:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: MIDI Mapper for PC? Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 09:38:56 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <5976CCA1A985D311953900805FA7CAE36D4C9E@hqmsgsrf07.autodesk.com> Resent-Message-ID: <10r9JB.A.iSE.J8f35@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mine responds to midi clock. If you are trying to get it to start and stop recording at certain time however, you need to set up a sequencer, synched to acid, playing the midi notes when you want them sent. bIz -----Original Message----- From: larry.peterson@autodesk.com [mailto:larry.peterson@autodesk.com] Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 8:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MIDI Mapper for PC? Help! I'd like my laptop (running ACID) to my Echoplex. ACID sends MIDI time code or MIDI clock, but the 'plex accepts only controller or note messages. Does anyone have a handle on a software MIDI mapper that will map MTC or MIDI clocks to note/controller messages? Thanks - Larry From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 12:49:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18161; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:47:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:47:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:49:40 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: new MIDI Looping Standard Cc: Damon Langlois , Bob Sellon , Alex Stahl , Eric Obermuehlner Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Off topic, but I know this list has a number of FC-200 wizards on it.... your specific case may be OT but it makes me think of the burning actuality of a big important back ground problem: Standardizing is essencial. One of the biggest errors mankind made was to introduce 60Hz power in America and 50Hz power in Europe. I dont know how it came, but I suspect a business trick or political macho beaviour of people unaware of the later consequences for film, TV and so on, forced adopt these frequencies for their picture speed, leading a big hassle with intercontinental video exchange and conversions and what not - big work and cost without any improvement. Its just complicated. :-( Now with the Internet we have it in hands to standardize things when they come up and simplify the future for everyone - if its well done. I wanted to syncronize a standard for a hexaphonic guitar plug. But I was a nobody and it seems Roland made it with the delicate DIN13 :-( ). Now we have the problem that there are a growing number of MIDI commands necessary to control looping and other sequencer control. So it would be great to agree on some usefull schema, just like GeneralMIDI for example. With joined intelligence of the creators of the loop gear and the users that are interested in thinking on this side, we may find a clever agreement so that the user in the future can load the LOOP preset for his MIDI pedal and then control his computer programs and looping units and they would all do the same thing on the same button. I know this aim can hardly exactly reached, but we could make an effort to get as close as possible. And the right moment seems NOW, because we have to do it when the related products become fairly clear (list of the functions) and before the manuals are printed. The EDP slightly changed the organization for the next upgrade anyway and its now at last state to change it more The Repeater probably can still change its tables at this stage There is no realtime SW looper out with MIDI pedal operation, but people are working on it. I dont know about the JamMan and Bobs upgrade and Eventide... When we started with LOOP delay, we first discussed the command type: Program changes have no long presses and are taken for presets. So we made switchable between notes and controllers, thinking that some pedals may not create notes and keyboards not controllers. Default is notes. It may become more complicated since for example it would make sense for Pitch to be a controller if its continuous (a dial in the HW) and a note if its a "toggle octave" kind of key press or even about two octave of notes if it serves for harmonical keyboard operation/sampling. Then we need a consistent sequence of the functions, easy to remember and extend. The soft ware may let the user choose, but there is a default, so we talk about that one. The EDP only lets you select the cntl/note # of lowest command. The first commands are the repetition of the front pannel buttons. This we cannot change and I think this goes for any unit: Its where the "personality" section is: The most important functions have their keys and the user wants them repeated on the floor. So independant of what they are, if we put them into the same range, from left to right, we are compatible, somehow, right? Then comes the part where it gets complicated but rich: The more special functions should be accessible directly through MIDI, too. Each product has a list of different but similar functions that can have the same sequence. Its not much work effort to create this standard, but: Will we have the currage to exchange our secret function lists? :-) Once the relaese is close, it probably will not matter that much and we can all gain a lot. And the users made very clear what they expect from the manufacturers! :-) If we can line up the loop products coming to the market, we can create a bigger wave in the hole music/show business. We could maybe put an adress list of some gremium together and take this mostly technical discussion off the list. Does the MIDI Association support this kind of work, or just disturb it? :-) Hoping for a brotherly meeting Matthias Grob Aurisis ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 12:50:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18215; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:49:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:49:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001005114422.00aeda40@crash.cts.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20001005114422.00aeda40@crash.cts.com> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:51:28 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Some looping features setup for MTV Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hm... quite interesting work... and interesting the question how far we can replace musical incompetence by technology. Tuning certainly is a good start. But as there is a subject to this list you must expect one question: Why did you not use LOOPing ? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 15:59:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21740; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 15:57:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 15:57:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001006124250.00d26270@crash.cts.com> X-Sender: harvey@crash.cts.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 12:42:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Ztars'R'Us" Subject: Re: Some looping features setup for MTV In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20001005114422.00aeda40@crash.cts.com> <3.0.6.32.20001005114422.00aeda40@crash.cts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:51 PM 10/6/00 -0300, you wrote: >hm... quite interesting work... and interesting the question how far >we can replace musical incompetence by technology. Tuning certainly >is a good start. > >But as there is a subject to this list you must expect one question: > >Why did you not use LOOPing ? Time and budget contraints. We had 1 week to order all the hardware and just a couple of days to set up the Kurzweils. It was a budget stretch to get the K2000's. We also had to set this up for non-musicians in an arcade-style environment where people could accidentaly or deliberately mees up the rig. So we were asked to keep it simple. Other than that our only spec from MTV was "it has to rock and it can't suck." They were't sure what they wanted other than the big crunch guitar. Everything else we added was information overload even though the loop-playback was pretty intuitive. Re-sampling would've been over the top for this show. Anyway, if we get another shot at this I'd like to take the time set up looping. Our existing hardware setup is pretty good at playing and adjusting MIDI loops. An EDP added to the rig would be totally slick, and would help make the music-production for non-musicians an entertaining experience. Next time. -harvey > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > http://www.starrlabs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 16:46:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22464; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:45:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:45:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:44:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: "looper's delight" Subject: new release promo Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my dear loopoids please excuse the flagrant self-aggrandizement... but if i don't do it who will? i would like to take a moment to flog my new record. it's so stuffed with loops and loops of loops that it's almost impossible to tell when the disc actually stops spinning. here goes: NEW RELEASE OF INTEREST TO THE LOOPING COMMUNITY anti:clockwise REWATCHING the first full-length anti:clockwise CD lays the groundwork for a whole new style - uglient. recorded straight to minidisc in one 74 minute tirade, REWATCHING offers 3 tracks ranging in length from long to wow, that's REALLY long! they are: the guitar mash-down masculinity at its finest "That's all we have time for today." the official organs of state at parallelism hype the release in this way: Solo recordings from Robert Dennis of New York City, a man whose performances as a member of Tono-Bungay, Eyeball 9000 and Fire In The Kitchen have caused much murmuring and analysis. Murmur no more, restless persons, Robert's one-man whirlwind of chaos, kaos and sound aka anti:clockwise, is now available on easily infringeable compact disc. 'rewatching' fornicates with genres we haven't even learned to spell yet. Puts the "ut" in "debut", though putting the "ut" in connecticut would probably help more people. REWATCHING (PAR 009) available from your preferred music vendor as of 10. 9.00 (UK) 10.10.00 (USA) parallelism po box 20132 london uk W10 6ZA more information about anti:clockwise can be unearthed at http://www.tensionheadache.org ....end of transmission..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 16:55:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22642; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:53:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:53:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39DE3B84.2C307CBB@hoover-keith.com> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 15:52:20 -0500 From: "Ryan D. Supak" X-Sender: "Ryan D. Supak" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new release promo References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mr. dennis, do you have any demo mp3's available? (pardon me if this question is borne of ignorance or is Anathema to you) rs (np: Truby Trio - A Go Go) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 18:03:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23528; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:59:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:59:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:55:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: "looper's delight" Subject: Re: new release promo In-Reply-To: <39DE3B84.2C307CBB@hoover-keith.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anathema? why, no! pass the anesthesia!!! there is an mp3 up at the parallelism website (the guitar mash-down was selected for this honor) http://www.parallelism.com but i have no mp's3 of my own to distribute. since i enjoy a waddling 56k connection, it is sadly not at this time possible for me to upload these honkers to my own website... at least, not without extreme pain. i hope to change all that in the next week or 2 (or so...) thanks for asking. i'll drop you a line when they're available. On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Ryan D. Supak wrote: > mr. dennis, do you have any demo mp3's available? (pardon me if this > question is borne of ignorance or is Anathema to you) > > rs > (np: Truby Trio - A Go Go) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 01:38:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28297; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 01:37:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 01:37:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001007053557.21171.qmail@web6305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 22:35:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: EDP: Can the EDP be controlled? (midi) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have never used a midi foot controller, so this is a general midi question. Can you control the EDP with one of those midi controllers used by guitar players? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 02:34:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28764; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 02:33:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 02:33:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 23:29:05 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP: Can the EDP be controlled? (midi) In-reply-to: <20001007053557.21171.qmail@web6305.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:35 PM -0700 10/6/00, Pratt Winkle wrote: >I have never used a midi foot controller, so this is a >general midi question. Can you control the EDP with >one of those midi controllers used by guitar players? certainly, if you use one of the better pedals that can send a variety of messages. like Roland FC-200, rocktron allaccess, lake-butler midigator, digitech pmc-10, etc. The dumbed-down pedals that only send program change messages don't cut it. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 04:52:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA29924; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 04:48:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 04:48:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c0303b$487f9b60$a5c7d8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20001005114422.00aeda40@crash.cts.com> <3.0.6.32.20001005114422.00aeda40@crash.cts.com> <3.0.6.32.20001006124250.00d26270@crash.cts.com> Subject: Bringing Harvey into the Loop Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 01:47:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had the pleasure today of showing Harvey Starr, inventor of the Ztar and Kurzweil Event Station, over to the house to show him my progress in using the Ztar to control the Echoplex Digital Pro. He was properly impressed, even tho I am still just getting started. I'm using a doubleneck so I can play guitar as well as the synth controller to create pop song-like textures in real time. I like to think of it as real time digital audio sequencing. The Ztar serves as a reliable MIDI controller, generating the kind of accuracy you demand from a controller. Doing the drums seems to be a bit dicey, however--I am hoping to score an Event Station to try to take care of that end of things. I am using the SR-16 to drive the EDP sometimes, but for the best effect I should just drop the drums in when the bass enters. Like it say, it's really still in its infancy--I just got the Ztar a couple of weeks ago and it was used and has a few things that need attention before I put it in front of an audience (and don the silver lame cybersuit)--but it's nice not to have to look at my feet while I'm controlling the EDP! Gary BTW, here's the tour dates for the MTV thing http://mtv.com/sendme.tin?page=/mtv/music/campusinvasion00/&sub=music ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ztars'R'Us" >We put an interesting rig out on the road last week with a touring MTV >show, "Campus Invasion", which is intended to promo the upcoming MTV >television season. There were several interactive electronic music exhibits >planned and we were called in at the last minute to supply some electronic >guitars. Twelve days before the show was to ship out. > At 01:51 PM 10/6/00, Matthias Grob replied: > >hm... quite interesting work... and interesting the question how far > >we can replace musical incompetence by technology. Tuning certainly > >is a good start. > > > >But as there is a subject to this list you must expect one question: > > > >Why did you not use LOOPing ? and Harvey replied: > > Time and budget contraints. We had 1 week to order all the hardware and > just a couple of days to set up the Kurzweils. It was a budget stretch to > get the K2000's. We also had to set this up for non-musicians in an > arcade-style environment where people could accidentaly or deliberately > mees up the rig. So we were asked to keep it simple. Other than that our > only spec from MTV was "it has to rock and it can't suck." They were't sure > what they wanted other than the big crunch guitar. Everything else we added > was information overload even though the loop-playback was pretty > intuitive. Re-sampling would've been over the top for this show. Anyway, if > we get another shot at this I'd like to take the time set up looping. Our > existing hardware setup is pretty good at playing and adjusting MIDI loops. > An EDP added to the rig would be totally slick, and would help make the > music-production for non-musicians an entertaining experience. Next time. > -harvey From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 08:24:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31011; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 08:23:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 08:23:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Storypod@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 08:21:49 EDT Subject: echoplex offer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, I've got an absolutely perfect Echoplex DP pro with the optional footpedal (and 50 sec sampling time) that I've just decided to sell, and wondered if you might be interested. I bought it new in '98, and it's been powered up no more than 2 hours, total, no kidding. I've been using my protools system for most of my looping chores, and just never got around to learning/using it. Anyway, I'd let it go for $675 if anyone is interested. Let me know... Best, Tim Tim Story P.O. Box 415 Maumee, OH 43537 (storypod@aol.com) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 11:48:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32631; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:47:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:47:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001007154708.23288.qmail@web6303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 08:47:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: Re: RDS 8000 vs. RDS 7.6 (more questions) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5bULbB.A.u9H.8V035@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you for replying so fast. I just got the 7.6. So I to have them both in front of me. I have some more questions since the 7.6 I received is kind of beat up....They sound quite different! Almost to the point of being bad vs. good. 1. a. The 7.6 has a hum that comes from the unit (not through the amp but actually inside the unit) b. The 8000 is quiet. 2. a. The 7.6 sends a small but noticeable hiss to the amp. b. The 8000 is quiet. 3. a. Some button presses on the 7.6 sends a small pop or thud to the amp. b. I don't think the 8000 does this. 4. a. Footswitches that work on the 8000 don't work the same on the 7.6; ie. One foot press on the 8000 will make it hold, while a foot press on the 7.6 only holds as long as you are pressing down. (I'm sure this probably just deals with the polarity of the trigger or something fancy that I don't understand, a difference none the less) 5. a.Then of course, the over all sound, but that would come from 12-bit vs. 8-bit, I guess I can accept that. Finally: Are your units this different? I was really hoping for the quality of the 8000. Do you think my 7.6 could be worn out yet still working, or did they just perfect the idea on the 8000? The guy sold it to me in "perfect working order" and right now I don't agree. Allen p.s. It doesn't help that I have been using the Echoplex EDP exclusively now for 3 months and dropping down to the 8000 or the 7.6 is quite a fall. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 14:30:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02069; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:29:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:29:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001007182815.26942.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:28:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: Bringing Harvey into the Loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So you bought the flashy double neck that harvey had for sale on his website for a while that I was lusting after? It looked *really* nice. I happen to be in Sandy Ego this weekend....too bad I couldn't have met up with you both. I'd love to steal your ztar EDP patch once it shapes up! Selfishly, Stephen --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > I had the pleasure today of showing Harvey Starr, > inventor of the Ztar and > Kurzweil Event Station, over to the house to show > him my progress in using > the Ztar to control the Echoplex Digital Pro. He > was properly impressed, > even tho I am still just getting started. I'm using > a doubleneck  ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 15:12:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02623; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:11:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:11:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39DF7620.10712809@voicenet.com> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 15:14:40 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RDS 8000 vs. RDS 7.6 (more questions) References: <20001007154708.23288.qmail@web6303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have an RDS3.6 second delay (the little brother of the 7.6) and just got an RDS8000 8 second delay. Since there are so many models of the RDS line the 3.6 unit I have is the latter one with a blackface and blue and grey legending. It has four flat square buttons to select "Flange, Chorus,Double, and Delay settings and has a repeat hold button (with light and four stage LED for input. the 3.6 has an inverse feedback button on the front as well The RDS8000 is the silverface unit and is about 1/2 the depth of the other one. It has one "delay range" knob rather than the four buttons but these ranges appear to do the same things. Noticeably different are the fact that the RDS8000 I have has no on/off switch (VERY annoying!) and it also only has one LED green light for signal and one red which indicates a "clip" input. The 8000 is missing the inverse feedback button but it does have a triposition switch with Norm,Trig,sample settings and a manual trigger button on the front panel. The other feature noticeably missing from the RDS8000 is the VCO in. It simply doesn't have one. All the other ins and outs Mix,Phase out, etc are the same. My RDS3.6 was never that noisy and it seems on par with the RDS8000 I just got. It certainly does not have the hum some people have mentioned and I personally can't hear any difference in quality. I admit I'm pretty lofi anyway and I feed them both pretty horrid sources so i don't know if that affects the overall sound or not. Unfortunately my RDS3.6 has started to act up though. The Flange and Chorus buttons no longer seem to do anything which is a tremendous drag as it was very useful to have a flange CVable via the VCO in. the Double and delay still work fine. Sometimes after a few seconds the Flange will work but usually not. it doesn't' not appear to be a button or contact problem but I haven't taken it apart to look either. If anyone has experienced this problem or has any suggestions to fix it please let me know. Rather than pay to have it repaired I just went out and bought the RDS8000 when I saw one for cheap. That's the nice thing about 80s and 90s digital gear I guess, there's plenty of it and it's cheap :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 16:58:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03762; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:57:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:57:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Bad-Idea: su; rm -rf / X-Echoplex: Sound on Sound Activated X-Prerequisite-Blasphemy: Invert me under the stars Message-Id: <4.1.20001007144558.01cc02f0@63.227.242.56> X-Sender: reverendrob@63.227.242.56 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 14:48:28 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: RDS 8000 vs. RDS 7.6 (more questions) In-Reply-To: <20001007154708.23288.qmail@web6303.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On or around 08:47 AM 10/7/00 -0700, Pratt Winkle said: > a. The 7.6 has a hum that comes from the unit (not >through the amp but actually inside the unit) > b. The 8000 is quiet. Some of the RDS units, regardless of nomenclature, do hum a bit in the rack. It's never been enough to make me sit up and take notice, particularly in a case. > a. The 7.6 sends a small but noticeable hiss to >the amp. > b. The 8000 is quiet. Probably an issue of input/output levels. > a. Some button presses on the 7.6 sends a small >pop or thud to the amp. > b. I don't think the 8000 does this. No problems there on the 7.6s I've used. > a. Footswitches that work on the 8000 don't work >the same on the 7.6; ie. One foot press on the 8000 >will make it hold, while a foot press on the 7.6 only >holds as long as you are pressing down. (I'm sure this >probably just deals with the polarity of the trigger >or something fancy that I don't understand, a >difference none the less) It's probably a difference in switching type, rather than a difference. With the wrong tools, you'll get undesirable results. > Finally: Are your units this different? I was really >hoping for the quality of the 8000. Do you think my >7.6 could be worn out yet still working, or did they >just perfect the idea on the 8000? The guy sold it to >me in "perfect working order" and right now I don't >agree. I suspect part of it may be a ground issue, from what you're describing in the popping on buttons and the hum of the transformer. == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ================================================================= http://www.reverendrob.com : feedback and echo MP3s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 21:48:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07552; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 21:47:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 21:47:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39DFD208.E3E102F6@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 21:47:56 -0400 From: Darrell Jones Reply-To: djones01@columbus.rr.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex offer References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do you still have the Echoplex? Storypod@aol.com wrote: > Hi All, > I've got an absolutely perfect Echoplex DP pro with the optional > footpedal (and 50 sec sampling time) that I've just decided to sell, and > wondered if you might be interested. I bought it new in '98, and it's been > powered up no more than 2 hours, total, no kidding. I've been using my > protools system for most of my looping chores, and just never got around to > learning/using it. Anyway, I'd let it go for $675 if anyone is interested. > Let me know... Best, Tim > > Tim Story > P.O. Box 415 > Maumee, OH 43537 > > (storypod@aol.com) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 09:11:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12806; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 09:09:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 09:09:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: irwell.zetnet.co.uk: Host man-a219.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.219] claimed to be bigboy Message-ID: <00a601c03129$2fe79460$db2cf7c2@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: Loop gig in London Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 14:06:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <-HQjXB.A.3HD.xHH45@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopsters, I've got a loop heavy gig coming up in London, which may well also feature some video looping (I'm working with a multimedia arts collective on this one, and have given them free reign to do what they like - video loops is one form that their stuff sometimes takes!! :o) Anyway, here's the official blurb... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- GIG ANNOUNCEMENT Nov 17th - 8pm, St Luke's Church, Hilmarton Road, Holloway London N7 Pillow Mountain Records in association with www.britlinks.co.uk , Dubious Recordings (www.evinsol.co.uk) and The Solo Bass Network presents: Steve Lawson in concert featuring Steve (Bass, live loops), Harry Napier (Cello), Mark Lloyd (percussion), SPARKS (a multi media arts collective, who'll contribute visuals and installations.) The evening will include a solo set by Steve, who recently released his debut solo album 'And Nothing But The Bass'. He'll then be joined by Harry and Mark for a trio set, and will finish with a solo acoustic set by singer/songwriter ANDY THORNTON. SPARKS installations will be part of Steve's solo and trio sets. Doors open 7.30pm 8-9pm Steve solo 9-10pm Steve/Harry/Mark 10 - ? Andy Thornton St Luke's (AKA The Greenhouse) is an inspiring building, providing an expansive space for the art and music of the first half, and including a more intimate cafe/bar for Andy's late night acoustic show by candle-light. You be mad to miss it! Tickets £4 in advance and £5 on the door - tickets in advance available by sending cheques payable to 'Steve Lawson' to PO Box 13788, London N14 5WD (TIckets will be reserved on the door, not sent out, so include a contact name.) For More info, call 07966 235072 or visit http://www.steve-lawson.co.uk (sound samples, gig reviews, album ordering etc.) For more info on Andy Thornton, visit www.evinsol.co.uk please forward this to anyone who might be interested... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 15:25:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16770; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:24:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:24:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c0315d$421d2620$6187abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: "Loop" Subject: nobels mf-2 foot controller Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:50:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C03169.6EC671C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C03169.6EC671C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable has anyone ever tried the nobels mf-2 fc ? it seems to be an economical choice as a foot controller is it usable to control EDPs ? thanks, Luca ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C03169.6EC671C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
has anyone ever tried the nobels mf-2 = fc=20 ?
it seems to be an economical choice as a foot=20 controller
is it usable to control EDPs ?
 
thanks,
Luca
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C03169.6EC671C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 19:04:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19658; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 19:03:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 19:03:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 19:01:30 EDT Subject: boomerang upgrade To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: <5vkk7C.A.4yE.uzP45@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com infinite feedback with a latching stack button = much joy........gone is the anguish of coming in at the tap of the button.........the only thing so far that i am having trouble with is getting the tempo to change consistantly.........havent even thought about the possibilites with the a-b, a-b1 loop settings..........the whole concept of "latching/nonlatching" buttons is a nice step forward for the rang...........also, being able to go from "once" to play without having to stop is nice.........am i the only one who got this upgrade, outside of larry i havent heard any mention of it.........perhaps its those big "cowboy" hats full of money that mike nelson sends that keeps me writing about this darn rang.........:)...........stay tuned............back to playing.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 20:53:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21310; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:52:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:52:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Bizurko@aol.com Message-ID: <50.bda1495.2712708c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:51:24 EDT Subject: Re: boomerang upgrade To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com how do I get it? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 21:46:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22214; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:45:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:45:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001009014531.13753.qmail@web6305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:45:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: EDP controller? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a Ground Control made by Digital Music Corporation. Can it access the various control functions of the Echoplex? Thanks. Joe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 23:14:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23240; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:12:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:12:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 20:08:44 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP controller? In-reply-to: <20001009014531.13753.qmail@web6305.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <17eoNB.A._qF.JeT45@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:45 PM -0700 10/8/00, Pratt Winkle wrote: > I use a Ground Control made by Digital Music >Corporation. Can it access the various control >functions of the Echoplex? no, the Ground Control is a fairly limited pedal and only sends program change messages and a limited continuous controller implementation. it is really only designed to switch patches on rack multieffects, and is not enough to control the echoplex. Many other pedals have a much more complete midi implementation, like lake-butler midigator, rocktron allaccess, digitech pmc-10, roland fc-200, yamaha mfc-10, Phil Rees MM5, etc. there is a whole footpedal tutorial on the echoplex section of looper's delight that explains all the details: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html also, check the echoplex FAQ, a huge number of questions are answered there: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 23:17:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23356; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:16:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:16:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E12B33.73BF8795@sigecom.net> Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 22:19:32 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: boomerang upgrade References: <50.bda1495.2712708c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Email mnelson@dmans.com and get a price form him. I mailed my check in two days ago. I CAN'T WAIT! Scott > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 23:36:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23632; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:36:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:36:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 20:25:35 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: nobels mf-2 foot controller In-reply-to: <002f01c0315d$421d2620$6187abd4@a6d4z2> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > has anyone ever tried the nobels mf-2 fc ? it seems to be an >economical choice as a foot controller is it usable to control EDPs ? >thanks, Luca I just read the manual for it available on their site: http://www.nobels.com/pdf-oman/mf-2_ownersmanual.pdf it appears to be one of the simplistic program-change-only type of pedals. you can't send midi notes with it, or do much with continuous controllers even. so no, it can't control the EDP. it still amazes me that these companies go to all the trouble to design and manufacture a midi footpedal controller and don't bother to implement 95% of the available midi commands. For them to do the additional programming would be simple. I once asked the owner of a particular well-known midi pedal manufacturer why he did that, and he indicated that his pedal was for guitar players who are too stupid to understand anything more complicated than program change messages. Maybe that's true for the average stratocastor-and-marshall guy, but I suspect the ones playing around with midi are bright enough to figure out what a note-on message does. especially now when it is so common for samplers and synths to be standard gear in the average band. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 02:40:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25582; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 02:38:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 02:38:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c031bb$8be28ee0$b1a0d8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: For those who need a foot controller Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:38:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did a search and came up with http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.ROLFC200&f=1776&a=adHCeffects the Roland FC-200 at Zzounds--is it possible that they are still selling them? Kinda pricy tho From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 06:20:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28273; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 06:19:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 06:19:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c031d8$e00513e0$0743e0d5@pandora.be> From: "Sound Mind" To: References: <000501c031bb$8be28ee0$b1a0d8cc@gary> Subject: Re: For those who need a foot controller Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:08:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <-etEyD.A.f5G.GtZ45@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I contacted Roland Benelux when I first read over here that it was supposed to be discontinued. They answered it never was , it's still in the catalogue. But I mailed Roland with my questions about the possibilities, and I found them to be dissappointing : one can only adress one pc per patch and the cc one sends affects all the units, and I wanted to be able to choose. I thought this was possible with the nobels. I was planning to buy the mf2, but I'm new at working with cc's, and I gathered it was possible. Guess I'd better read that manual again. The relays would really come in handy though to switch my AB box. What I would like from a footcontroller is : switching the amp and AB ; program under say pedal 1, program change 45 on unit one with cc X, pc 78 on unit two with another cc no. And sending note on's would be very nice too. This doesn't seem to be possible with the FC 200 neither, is there anything that can do that? Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 8:38 AM Subject: For those who need a foot controller > I did a search and came up with > http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.ROLFC200&f=1776&a=adHCeffects > the Roland FC-200 at Zzounds--is it possible that they are still selling > them? > Kinda pricy tho > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 13:36:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01112; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:23:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:23:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: wobblypeople@juno.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:31:31 -0700 Subject: I need advice on space echo probem Message-ID: <20001009.133132.-448201.0.wobblypeople@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have the Roland RE-201 space echo and was hoping to get some advice on a problem I'm having with it. When I send it a signal it does not erase and you hear it muffled and looping in the background. The signal is supposed to delay and then erase but the original signal is constantly going and is very distorted and sounds awful. I have cleaned and demagnetized the heads and changed the tape but am not sure where to go from here. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. thanks, James ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 13:45:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01270; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:34:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:34:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E2025E.14CBF128@usa.net> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 11:37:35 -0600 From: Lee Sebel Reply-To: synman@usa.net Organization: Cool Music Gear You Can't Live Without X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I need advice on space echo probem References: <20001009.133132.-448201.0.wobblypeople@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My guess would be bad erase head and possibly a bad record head? wobblypeople@juno.com wrote: > I have the Roland RE-201 space echo and was hoping to get some advice on > a problem I'm having with it. When I send it a signal it does not erase > and you hear it muffled and looping in the background. The signal is > supposed to delay and then erase but the original signal is constantly > going and is very distorted and sounds awful. I have cleaned and > demagnetized the heads and changed the tape but am not sure where to go > from here. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. thanks, James > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. -- Tonefully yours... Lee Sebel•Cool Music Gear You Can't Live Without•888-487-2166 Representing Innovative Instruments of Impeccable Quality >>> Check out my original music at: www.mp3.com/voltz <<< From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 14:10:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01950; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:59:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:59:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E28589.DC6011F0@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:57:13 -0700 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: [Fwd: FS: Lexicon Vortex $100] not mine not mine nit mone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com n/a wrote: > > $100 plus shipping > > Stereo processor can Morph from one preset to another via > front panel button or expression knob. Delays (multitap, with tap- > tempo), chorus, flange, tremelo, ring-modulator, auto-panner, tape echo > sim., rotary speaker sim., in multiple, esoteric routing > configurations. > > mastercard, visa, and amex taken. > > interested email proaudioNOSPAM@cybortronik.com > be sure to remove NOSPAM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 14:11:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02092; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:05:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:05:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 14:04:58 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Wanted: Minidisc Recorder Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone have an MD for sale that I could purchase? regards, c.white Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com wrote: > n/a wrote:> > $100 plus shipping > > Stereo processor can Morph from one preset to another via > front panel button or expression knob. Delays (multitap, with tap- > tempo), chorus, flange, tremelo, ring-modulator, auto-panner, tape echo > sim., rotary speaker sim., in multiple, esoteric routing > configurations. > > mastercard, visa, and amex taken. > > interested email proaudioNOSPAM@cybortronik.com > be sure to remove NOSPAM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 14:11:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02091; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:05:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:05:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 14:04:59 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Wanted: Minidisc Recorder Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: <2p-PRB.A.eg.Kjg45@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone have an MD for sale that I could purchase? regards, c.white Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com wrote: > n/a wrote:> > $100 plus shipping > > Stereo processor can Morph from one preset to another via > front panel button or expression knob. Delays (multitap, with tap- > tempo), chorus, flange, tremelo, ring-modulator, auto-panner, tape echo > sim., rotary speaker sim., in multiple, esoteric routing > configurations. > > mastercard, visa, and amex taken. > > interested email proaudioNOSPAM@cybortronik.com > be sure to remove NOSPAM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 14:19:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02635; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:18:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:18:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E20C85.2D7A7863@usa.net> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 12:20:55 -0600 From: Lee Sebel Reply-To: synman@usa.net Organization: Cool Music Gear You Can't Live Without X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Greetings from a new member References: <39E28589.DC6011F0@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Howdy all...thought I would pop in to introduce myself. I am the proud owner of an EDP with foot controller, full memoryAlso. And while I overpaid for it on Ebay, it was worth it to not have it say Gibson on it! As an orphaned Vision dude from way back I have nothing nice to say about the parent company, despite their re-introducing the EDP. Anyhoo...seeing as this is not a list about software, I'll say a bit about myself and how I use the EDP (or hope to once my rigs are fully functional). I'm 42, have worked in the music products industry for 20+ years with Arp, Roland, Kurzweil and some different retailers. I'm classically trained on piano and have some formal eductation in synths as well. I've done plenty of gigging and have served as MIDI consultant to some major artists as well as a bunch of other folks. I'm currently an independent manufacturer's rep, primarily dealing with the guitar niche. One of the ways I use the EDP is to demonstrate my Cruise Audio guitar amp. It has 4 blendable preamps and I like to lay down a groove with a clean sound and then switch to a dirty sound and play bad leads over the top. I'm a keyboardist, so anything I do on a guitar is abuse at best! My master plan for the EDP is to create a live performance setup that is very loopbased. I dabble in a variety of styles so I don't know exactly where this little venture will take me, but I live in an area with a fertile live music scene (Salt Lake City) so I hope to be able to apply my stuff in this direction. I have a pretty huge setup, but rely most heavily on a loaded Kurz K2500 w/KDFX. My plan for the live rig with the EDP includes the Kurz, a Roland JD800, Nord Modular Kbd, Korg Prophecy and maybe a Yamaha VL1. Any tips or tricks from list members who use the EDP live would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and looking forward to good info from this list! -- Tonefully yours... Lee Sebel•Cool Music Gear You Can't Live Without•888-487-2166 Representing Innovative Instruments of Impeccable Quality >>> Check out my original music at: www.mp3.com/voltz <<< From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 15:00:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03249; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:58:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:58:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.72] From: "g716" To: Cc: References: Subject: Re: EDP controller? Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:56:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2000 18:56:13.0931 (UTC) FILETIME=[98BF13B0:01C03222] Resent-Message-ID: <1NSmy.A.Ty.rTh45@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: "Kim Flint" > no, the Ground Control is a fairly limited pedal and only sends program > change messages and a limited continuous controller implementation. it is I remember reading that the GC (Ground Control) *could* control the EDP. It was a bit a hack, but it worked -- or so the web-site I read claimed. Unfortunately I don't recall the web-site address. One requirement was that you had to have the most recent version of firmware. I used to have a GC and was about to send it to voodoo labs for the upgrade, but then I came upon a PMC so I sold the GC. This I just found on our own LD archive.. [start snip] ********************************* [...] because with the version 2 software the Ground Control can be set up to send Control change on/off messages as well as the program change and continuous controller messages. There is a mode which allows you to set up your banks of 10 in a configuration where footswitches 1-4 are presets (Program changes) and Switches 5-0 are control change messages. Whether this will allow people to use The Plex with the GC now , I don't know. What do you think? There is another pedal called the Ground Link ( List $160) which can be linked with the GC and it can be configured to have all 8 of its' footswitches be used as Control Changes . [end snip] *********************************** Has anyone ever been able to get this working? Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 15:09:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03461; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:08:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:08:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c0322d$8df16ae0$88dee2c1@absolute> From: "Adam Davidson" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP controller? Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:14:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, a friend of mine wants to buy a Rocktron fx processor. but it has no pedalboard as default. do you know if anyone makes a cheaper one which performs equally as the original one made by Rocktron? adam ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Flint To: Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 5:08 AM Subject: Re: EDP controller? > At 6:45 PM -0700 10/8/00, Pratt Winkle wrote: > > I use a Ground Control made by Digital Music > >Corporation. Can it access the various control > >functions of the Echoplex? > > no, the Ground Control is a fairly limited pedal and only sends program > change messages and a limited continuous controller implementation. it is > really only designed to switch patches on rack multieffects, and is not > enough to control the echoplex. Many other pedals have a much more complete > midi implementation, like lake-butler midigator, rocktron allaccess, > digitech pmc-10, roland fc-200, yamaha mfc-10, Phil Rees MM5, etc. > > there is a whole footpedal tutorial on the echoplex section of looper's > delight that explains all the details: > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html > > > also, check the echoplex FAQ, a huge number of questions are answered there: > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html > > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 16:16:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04594; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 16:15:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 16:15:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: When Delete Does Not Delete Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:12:39 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought it would benefit all of you as well to read this interesting article I found through that "Wired" newsletter— just a tiny bit off-topic: http://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/05/technology/06CYBERLAW.html (It says "registration required," but I went right in.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 16:39:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04940; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 16:37:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 16:37:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c03230$b42645c0$7b87abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: References: <000501c031bb$8be28ee0$b1a0d8cc@gary> <001701c031d8$e00513e0$0743e0d5@pandora.be> Subject: R: For those who need a foot controller Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:35:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For what I have understand from reading mf-2 manual, I think it is possible to assign cc and switches to different devices. The thing that makes the mf-2 so interesting is its capability to be the port for so many different cc and switches. FC-200 has no more that 2 ext controller's ports, the same is for Rocktron's All Access and many others. I agree with Kim saying that it's a shame many producers didn't do the complete step with their footcontrollers midi implementation but, as I can see, for those who need to concentrate switchers and cc the two main useful fcs are Mf-2 and Rolls Midiwizard Mp 1288. I'm going to take a look at Yamaha's one anyway... ----- Original Message ----- From: Sound Mind To: Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 12:08 PM Subject: Re: For those who need a foot controller > I contacted Roland Benelux when I first read over here that it was supposed > to be discontinued. They answered it never was , it's still in the > catalogue. But I mailed Roland with my questions about the possibilities, > and I found them to be dissappointing : one can only adress one pc per patch > and the cc one sends affects all the units, and I wanted to be able to > choose. I thought this was possible with the nobels. > I was planning to buy the mf2, but I'm new at working with cc's, and I > gathered it was possible. Guess I'd better read that manual again. The > relays would really come in handy though to switch my AB box. > What I would like from a footcontroller is : switching the amp and AB ; > program under say pedal 1, program change 45 on unit one with cc X, pc 78 on > unit two with another cc no. And sending note on's would be very nice too. > This doesn't seem to be possible with the FC 200 neither, is there anything > that can do that? > > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Lehmann" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 8:38 AM > Subject: For those who need a foot controller > > > > I did a search and came up with > > http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.ROLFC200&f=1776&a=adHCeffects > > the Roland FC-200 at Zzounds--is it possible that they are still selling > > them? > > Kinda pricy tho > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 21:38:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10519; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:37:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:37:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:35:54 EDT Subject: test To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: <_LWXlC.A.bjC.ZKn45@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com test From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 06:05:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA15338; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 05:56:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 05:56:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c032a0$131d0900$2cc7d8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: , Subject: (Longish) Ztar Runs EDP Better All the Time Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 02:54:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello fellow propellerheads--Someone encouraged me to share my research into uniting these two monsters of musical technology (cybersuit only a heartbeat away), so here's what I did today: The Echoplex, a 198 second digital delay/looper is set up with quantize on, switch quant on, threshold at 4, let's say four loops, round on, auto record on, and controlled by note on info. Looping control number starts with 49, source controller is set at 56. (I just did the math, I guess I'll have to change this if/when I get to more loops). The Ztar, a MIDI guitar with switches in the neck instead of strings, is set up with different "zones" for MIDI channels. I have it playing bass on channel 2 starting at the 8th fret on all six strings, transposed down 2 octaves. The EDP is on channel 11, and I have it controlling 7 zones (the Ztar has up to 16 zones) as follows: the first 4 frets of the 6 strings transposed up 8 semitones, string 6 from frets 5 to 7 transposed up 11 semitones, string 5 at fret 7 transposed up 7 semitones, string 4 at fret 7 transposed up 3 semitones, string 3 at fret 7 transposed down 1 semitone, string 2 at fret 7 transposed down 4 semitones, and string 1 at fret 7 transposed down 8 semitones. Why, you wonder. Well, I can enter loops 1-4 with frets 1-4 of string 6, and duplicate the front panel/footswitch with fret 7 of strings 6-1, with string 6, fret 5 as the parameter button, play bass and then get to the guitar (the Ztar is a doubleneck) for hours of loop fun. So I encourage all the guitarists on this list to flood Starr Labs with orders for doubleneck instruments so I can see Harvey's eyes pop right out of his skull in time for Halloween . . . Keep on playin', my brothers . . . Gary PS Maybe we can get a group price 8^ ] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 10:52:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18356; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:50:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:50:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix2.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:47:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Lee Sebel Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I need advice on space echo probem In-Reply-To: <39E2025E.14CBF128@usa.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA18317 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mmmmm..... and be sure to double-check the tape path. could be something aint hittin something else the way it should be... my $.02 a:c On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Lee Sebel wrote: > My guess would be bad erase head and possibly a bad record head? > > wobblypeople@juno.com wrote: > > > I have the Roland RE-201 space echo and was hoping to get some advice on > > a problem I'm having with it. When I send it a signal it does not erase > > and you hear it muffled and looping in the background. The signal is > > supposed to delay and then erase but the original signal is constantly > > going and is very distorted and sounds awful. I have cleaned and > > demagnetized the heads and changed the tape but am not sure where to go > > from here. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. thanks, James > > ________________________________________________________________ > > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > -- > Tonefully yours... > > Lee Sebel•Cool Music Gear You Can't Live Without•888-487-2166 > Representing Innovative Instruments of Impeccable Quality > >>> Check out my original music at: www.mp3.com/voltz <<< > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 11:31:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18910; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:30:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:30:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E33650.D01DB621@t-online.de> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:31:39 +0200 From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) Reply-To: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DOD Dimension12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender: 0265142411-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <8jcClB.A.AnE.TXz45@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, The Dimension12 is not the perfect beast for looping.To many compromises and not finally developed for all kinds of looping. Nevertheless it is obviously limited for several reasons,it is from a practical side very useful for my work.I own two of this devices.I need them for Stereo. The sampling section is not in use for it.I only use the delay mode. With maximum delaytime(12sec) I use both devices as last chain in the row,I call it the unwritten sheet of paper mode.Or easy said as simple Recorder/Looper before the signals go to the PA.Wit all the other devices I shape and form the sound wich can be repeated infinitly over the DODs or get a Fade Out character by adjusting the Feedback knob.Such a Fade Out is recommended mostly,because there is always then the possibility to change the harmonic and rhythmic structure of a "song".In this case 12 seconds are enough to arrange a fluctuating sonic adventure. Another Mode is the Primefactormode.I use this odd values to create over a long time a metric changing Stereoevent.Both DODs are again in Stereo-mode.Let me give an example.DOD1(left channel)is set to 7seconds delay,DOD2(right channel) to 11 seconds. Both are in full loopmode.Then it needs 77seconds before an acoustic event(try out a single percussive one) will sound together again-like it was recorded.Within this 77 seconds the acoustic event will get splitted up and change the relation of left and right channel in a drastic way.A kind of Stereo-rhythm appears. Try it out with complex material and the material will get a Stereorhythm,wich results can not be preplanned.If using in forefront of the DODs also effext like panning,the result will get more exciting. The same can be used also in Monomode.This means a serial connection of the two DODs.Both set up with different Delays. One nice helpful tool is,that the long delay times can be changed up to twelve seconds via display.Eventhough the steps are rough.But for long delays this is acceptable. You don´t really realize if a signal is delayed 11,2 or 11,3 seconds. Also the possibility to tap in the delaytime by footswitch is useful and can create some interesting layers.A prerecorded/looped material in a short time-maybe 1 second,will get a big layer when a 12second delay gets taped in.The one second segment will get inter- polated/copied over the time of 12 seconds. Instead of using maximum feedback,there can be also used no feedback,then we have to route back the output of the DOD to a channel the mixing console.In this channel we can shape the sound through filters and send it back over effect send to the DOD. Fortunately the DOD has two outs,so this is possible.To have a straight on sound and a routed back signal. Besides the delay only,the DOD offers also a kind of Chorusing/Flanging effect.With a long delaytime it can change the material extremely.A nice gimmick. The sampling section is not used in my work,but for entertaining my little nephew it has also a private funfactor. Conclusion: The DOD Dimension 12 is a little bit limited to be an everybodys darling in the Loopingscene.Nevertheless it is a machine with wich looping is possible.Not for everybody,but maybe just the right machine for your musical work. Martin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 11:50:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19312; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:49:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:49:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.154.239.5] From: "CHRISTOPHER A KAGAN" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Newbie to the list Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:48:48 MDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2000 15:48:48.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[9450C990:01C032D1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey everyone, I'm brand-spankin' new to this list, and looping for that matter. I haven't purchased a looping device yet, but that's why I joined this list. To tap the brains of people that are doing it right now. I'm a guitarist, but also like techno music and the loops and beats that the DJs mix together. I'll be buying a looping unit soon though... I was wondering if anyone knew of a new product I saw advertised in Guitar Player mag this month. It's called the Repeater, by Electrix (www.electrixpro.com). Has anyone heard of this? It's supposed to be released in the fall, but winter is upon us now... I look forward to talking with the people on this list! Have a good one! Later, -Chris _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 12:04:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19615; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:03:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:03:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E3BBE2.C08A9859@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:01:22 -0700 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Newbie to the list References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com CHRISTOPHER A KAGAN wrote: > > Hey everyone, I'm brand-spankin' new to this list, and looping for that > matter. I haven't purchased a looping device yet, but that's why I joined > this list. To tap the brains of people that are doing it right now. I'm a > guitarist, but also like techno music and the loops and beats that the DJs > mix together. I'll be buying a looping unit soon though... > > I was wondering if anyone knew of a new product I saw advertised in Guitar > Player mag this month. It's called the Repeater, by Electrix > (www.electrixpro.com). Has anyone heard of this? It's supposed to be > released in the fall, but winter is upon us now... > > I look forward to talking with the people on this list! Have a good one! > > Later, > -Chris welcome Chris before all everything that has been discussed on the LD list about this promissing new toy should be here: (copypaste the whole URL) http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=electrix+repeater&Search=Search&lineonly=on&errors=0&maxfiles=1000&maxlines=0&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=filelist&.cgifields=case&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=restricttofiles good reading ;=) Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 12:07:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19726; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:06:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:06:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39E20C85.2D7A7863@usa.net> References: <39E28589.DC6011F0@vtx.ch> <39E20C85.2D7A7863@usa.net> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:05:46 -0700 To: synman@usa.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Greetings from a new member Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:20 PM -0600 10/9/00, Lee Sebel wrote: >One of the ways I use the EDP is to demonstrate my Cruise Audio guitar >amp. It has 4 blendable preamps and I like to lay down a groove with a >clean sound and then switch to a dirty sound and play bad leads over the >top. I'm a keyboardist, so anything I do on a guitar is abuse at best! I've read up on the Cruise, but haven't found anywhere to play one. I did fill out the form on the web site, but I never heard anything. Do you know anywhere in the San Francisco area that carries Cruise? Thanks, Chris Muir __________________________________________________________________ Christopher Bryan Muir | "I had another dream the other day "Hurt Symphonic Barrier" | about music critics. They were http://www.xfade.com/ | small and rodent-like with cbm@well.com | padlocked ears." - Igor Stravinsky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 12:08:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19812; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:07:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:07:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F363294FE1@engin-mail2.ad.engin.umich.edu> From: Darcy Clark To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: massive arrays of loopers Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:06:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I am curious if anyone on the list is taking advantage of the relative cheapness of today's crop of loopers and is experimenting with arrays or multiple looping streams....e.g. to take advantage of things like feedback and multiple post-processing, relooping etc... sorry to be so vague, I guess I'm asking about ideas that I myself haven't played with yet. For instance the DL4 has nice knobbies to play with - I wondered what it would be like to make an array of these units, then send a loop in to the array and then putz with the loop as it travels through array. Put simply, I am just curious as to whether or not people are using multiple (cheap) looping devices in creative ways ? cheers, Darcy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 12:53:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20610; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:52:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:52:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F363294FE1@engin-mail2.ad.engin.umich.edu> References: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F363294FE1@engin-mail2.ad.engin.umich.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:51:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: massive arrays of loopers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4qwekD.A.YBF.ek045@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would venture to guess that quite a few people on the list are doing this... Currently my rig has a digitech pds 1002, line6 dl4, and lexi jamman. my project cohorts are using mulitple delays and loopers as well (digi's, edp, etc). In the piece we are working on, there are moments where we are totally knob twiddling. We've captured enough information in the loop streams and then we're manipulating by adjusting feedback, delay times, and also pre and post processing with other effects and filters. doesn't exactly push the envelope 'music theory and execution'-wise, but it sounds a whole lot more interesting than the guy at Guitar Center wanking off his pentatonic scales. interesting portion of last night's rehearsal...we were just wrapping up, and one member got some really good stuff going, the other gent decides to check out his pedalboard and starts knob twiddling. I had already put my guitar away, so i just took the cord, plugged it into the preamp out of his amp, and ran it through my fx chain and loopers and just started my own little mangle-thon, using his source. regarding the dl4, i find it increasingly frustrating to use live. all the knobbies are nice, but they do unpredictable things if you're not careful. also, changing delay models and tweaking leaves you stuck unless you decide to 'save' that preset. say you're using the digital delay, and you have that saved (and all of your other slots have saved presets). now start with the digital delay, and say you want to switch to the multi-head (but you don't have the multi-head as a saved preset). so you just turn the model knob and go to the multi-head. great, now ya start tweaking and you get something you really like. now here comes a section where you have to turn the delay off, but you don't want to save over any of your other presets. no can do. once you turn that multi-head setting off, it's gone. if you switch it back on, it goes back to the 'digital delay' preset. not to say that ruins the pedal. it's got alot of strong points. i've just found it to be much more functional as a table top delay unit. being able to have a space echo, stereo delay, rythmic delay, tube echoplex and more in one little box at 24bits is a very cool thing. seeya, rich >Hi all, > >I am curious if anyone on the list is taking advantage of the relative >cheapness of today's crop of loopers and is experimenting with arrays or >multiple looping streams....e.g. to take advantage of things like feedback >and multiple post-processing, relooping etc... sorry to be so vague, I guess >I'm asking about ideas that I myself haven't played with yet. For instance >the DL4 has nice knobbies to play with - I wondered what it would be like to >make an array of these units, then send a loop in to the array and then putz >with the loop as it travels through array. > >Put simply, I am just curious as to whether or not people are using multiple >(cheap) looping devices in creative ways ? > >cheers, > >Darcy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 15:01:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22348; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:52:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:52:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.189.148.4] From: "K. Michael Odnaloc" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: not enough DL4 patches Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:49:19 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2000 18:49:19.0153 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBEEBA10:01C032EA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In the 'so obvious it might be useless' category of advice.... >regarding the dl4, changing delay models and tweaking leaves you >stuck unless you decide to 'save' that preset. say you're using the >digital delay, and you have that saved (and all of your other slots >have saved presets). now start with the digital delay, and say you >want to switch to the multi-head (but you don't have the multi-head >as a saved preset). so you just turn the model knob and go to the >multi-head. great, now ya start tweaking and you get something you >really like. now here comes a section where you have to turn the >delay off, but you don't want to save over any of your other presets. >no can do. once you turn that multi-head setting off, it's gone. You can just adjust the MIX knob all the way to dry and that MultiHead setting will still be there waiting for you won't it? And if you have an expression pedal set to adjust the mix, its a hands free fix. Would only work one setting at a time but still, its something. By the way, anyone know what other expression pedals work with the DL4? Supposedly you need a, what 10k pot (sorry if thats the wrong thingy), in your pedal and all of mine have 20's (as do the ones I've looked at on line). K _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 15:33:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23009; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:21:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:21:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:20:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: not enough DL4 patches Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, good point, you can use the mix knob, and i do use an expression pedal. But there have been threads on the list before about the dl4 and its pedal implementation. it tends to be a pain in the ass, IMO. I have the expression pedal to control the 'mix' on all of my presets, so your point is well taken and yes...."obvious". what if i've got that cool multi-head sound and i'm tweaking it in real time?...even though the expression pedal was set to control just the mix, it's now gonna take into account those tweaks. so when i go to move the pedal to turn the mix down, it's not going to be a smooth fade out of my current tweak. it's going to mutate the sound back to some prior configuration of the tweaking as well as fading it out. example. say you have the multi-head on a pretty fast delay time, and you turn the feedback way up, so it's starting to self-oscillate. then you slowly turn the speed down, really slow, so you get this deconstructing downpitch thing. now you've got this noisy low rumble happening and you want to turn it off or fade it out. Go ahead, use the expression pedal, but that sound is now going to speed up as it fades out, back to where the knobs were when you started. you would pretty much have to get on your knees and adjust the mix manually, which is what i do mostly when we're doing alot of live knob twiddling. i am currently using the Line6 expression pedal, but used a Roland EV5 prior. If you buy the line6, try to get it from a catalog. it's usually cheaper than line6 sells it on their site (figure that one out), and it won't take 6 weeks to arrive (like mine did). best, rich >In the 'so obvious it might be useless' category of advice.... > >>regarding the dl4, changing delay models and tweaking leaves you >>stuck unless you decide to 'save' that preset. say you're using the >>digital delay, and you have that saved (and all of your other slots >>have saved presets). now start with the digital delay, and say you >>want to switch to the multi-head (but you don't have the multi-head >>as a saved preset). so you just turn the model knob and go to the >>multi-head. great, now ya start tweaking and you get something you >>really like. now here comes a section where you have to turn the >>delay off, but you don't want to save over any of your other presets. >>no can do. once you turn that multi-head setting off, it's gone. > >You can just adjust the MIX knob all the way to dry and that >MultiHead setting will still be there waiting for you won't it? And >if you have an expression pedal set to adjust the mix, its a hands >free fix. > >Would only work one setting at a time but still, its something. > >By the way, anyone know what other expression pedals work with the >DL4? Supposedly you need a, what 10k pot (sorry if thats the wrong >thingy), in your pedal and all of mine have 20's (as do the ones >I've looked at on line). > > >K >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 15:45:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23566; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:41:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:41:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c032f2$e9d68b40$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: not enough DL4 patches Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:47:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lol, aren't you supposed to be working Mr. Atkinson? Slaving, not looping! (Insert snapping whip sound here) ;) Cliff -----Original Message----- From: rich To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 12:31 PM Subject: Re: not enough DL4 patches >Yes, good point, you can use the mix knob, and i do use an expression >pedal. But there have been threads on the list before about the dl4 >and its pedal implementation. it tends to be a pain in the ass, IMO. > >I have the expression pedal to control the 'mix' on all of my >presets, so your point is well taken and yes...."obvious". what if >i've got that cool multi-head sound and i'm tweaking it in real >time?...even though the expression pedal was set to control just the >mix, it's now gonna take into account those tweaks. so when i go to >move the pedal to turn the mix down, it's not going to be a smooth >fade out of my current tweak. it's going to mutate the sound back to >some prior configuration of the tweaking as well as fading it out. > >example. say you have the multi-head on a pretty fast delay time, >and you turn the feedback way up, so it's starting to self-oscillate. >then you slowly turn the speed down, really slow, so you get this >deconstructing downpitch thing. now you've got this noisy low rumble >happening and you want to turn it off or fade it out. Go ahead, use >the expression pedal, but that sound is now going to speed up as it >fades out, back to where the knobs were when you started. you would >pretty much have to get on your knees and adjust the mix manually, >which is what i do mostly when we're doing alot of live knob >twiddling. > >i am currently using the Line6 expression pedal, but used a Roland >EV5 prior. If you buy the line6, try to get it from a catalog. it's >usually cheaper than line6 sells it on their site (figure that one >out), and it won't take 6 weeks to arrive (like mine did). > >best, > >rich > > > > >>In the 'so obvious it might be useless' category of advice.... >> >>>regarding the dl4, changing delay models and tweaking leaves you >>>stuck unless you decide to 'save' that preset. say you're using the >>>digital delay, and you have that saved (and all of your other slots >>>have saved presets). now start with the digital delay, and say you >>>want to switch to the multi-head (but you don't have the multi-head >>>as a saved preset). so you just turn the model knob and go to the >>>multi-head. great, now ya start tweaking and you get something you >>>really like. now here comes a section where you have to turn the >>>delay off, but you don't want to save over any of your other presets. >>>no can do. once you turn that multi-head setting off, it's gone. >> >>You can just adjust the MIX knob all the way to dry and that >>MultiHead setting will still be there waiting for you won't it? And >>if you have an expression pedal set to adjust the mix, its a hands >>free fix. >> >>Would only work one setting at a time but still, its something. >> >>By the way, anyone know what other expression pedals work with the >>DL4? Supposedly you need a, what 10k pot (sorry if thats the wrong >>thingy), in your pedal and all of mine have 20's (as do the ones >>I've looked at on line). >> >> >>K >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 15:54:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23835; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:49:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:49:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c032f3$11599860$9883abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: "Loop" Subject: new foot controller Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:48:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C03303.D3405120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C03303.D3405120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable looking for a clever foot controller, I have been surprised to find one = pretty interesting at this address: www.proelgroup.com/Download/Manuals/MS_32.pdf surprised because it's italian ! ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C03303.D3405120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C03303.D3405120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 16:08:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24289; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:04:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:04:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:03:05 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: not enough DL4 patches Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am so happy with the 14 second looper on the dl4 what can i say? 14 secs is almost too much yahoo c Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com wrote: > lol, aren't you supposed to be working Mr. Atkinson? Slaving, not looping!(Insert snapping whip sound here) ;) Cliff -----Original Message----- From: rich To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 12:31 PM Subject: Re: not enough DL4 patches >Yes, good point, you can use the mix knob, and i do use an expression >pedal. But there have been threads on the list before about the dl4 >and its pedal implementation. it tends to be a pain in the ass, IMO. > >I have the expression pedal to control the 'mix' on all of my >presets, so your point is well taken and yes...."obvious". what if >i've got that cool multi-head sound and i'm tweaking it in real >time?...even though the expression pedal was set to control just the >mix, it's now gonna take into account those tweaks. so when i go to >move the pedal to turn the mix down, it's not going to be a smooth >fade out of my current tweak. it's going to mutate the sound back to >some prior configuration of the tweaking as well as fading it out. > >example. say you have the multi-head on a pretty fast delay time, >and you turn the feedback way up, so it's starting to self-oscillate. >then you slowly turn the speed down, really slow, so you get this >deconstructing downpitch thing. now you've got this noisy low rumble >happening and you want to turn it off or fade it out. Go ahead, use >the expression pedal, but that sound is now going to speed up as it >fades out, back to where the knobs were when you started. you would >pretty much have to get on your knees and adjust the mix manually, >which is what i do mostly when we're doing alot of live knob >twiddling. > >i am currently using the Line6 expression pedal, but used a Roland >EV5 prior. If you buy the line6, try to get it from a catalog. it's >usually cheaper than line6 sells it on their site (figure that one >out), and it won't take 6 weeks to arrive (like mine did). > >best, > >rich > > > > >>In the 'so obvious it might be useless' category of advice.... >> >>>regarding the dl4, changing delay models and tweaking leaves you >>>stuck unless you decide to 'save' that preset. say you're using the >>>digital delay, and you have that saved (and all of your other slots >>>have saved presets). now start with the digital delay, and say you >>>want to switch to the multi-head (but you don't have the multi-head >>>as a saved preset). so you just turn the model knob and go to the >>>multi-head. great, now ya start tweaking and you get something you >>>really like. now here comes a section where you have to turn the >>>delay off, but you don't want to save over any of your other presets. >>>no can do. once you turn that multi-head setting off, it's gone. >> >>You can just adjust the MIX knob all the way to dry and that >>MultiHead setting will still be there waiting for you won't it? And >>if you have an expression pedal set to adjust the mix, its a hands >>free fix. >> >>Would only work one setting at a time but still, its something. >> >>By the way, anyone know what other expression pedals work with the >>DL4? Supposedly you need a, what 10k pot (sorry if thats the wrong >>thingy), in your pedal and all of mine have 20's (as do the ones >>I've looked at on line). >> >> >>K >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 16:34:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25569; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:31:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:31:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:28:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Re: not enough DL4 patches Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alright! i get to respond to two mails for the price of one! Cliff, that's it...i've had it from you, you wanna step outside? Magicada...14 seconds is too much? zowee, not enough for me. i usually have the 1/2 speed function on before i start recording, so i have approx. 28 seconds to record the loop. plus i like being able to hit the switch and have the loop jump an octave, rather than drop an octave. rich >I am so happy with the 14 second looper on the dl4 what can i say? >14 secs is almost too much >yahoo >c >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com wrote: >> lol, aren't you supposed to be working Mr. Atkinson? Slaving, not >>looping!(Insert snapping whip sound here) > >;) > >Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 16:47:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26187; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:45:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:45:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006c01c032fb$d99d03e0$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Re: not enough DL4 patches Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:51:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <-xqpoC.A.sYG.t-345@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Insert whistle---> A- D- A- D- A------------------- C -----Original Message----- From: rich To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 1:35 PM Subject: Re: Re: not enough DL4 patches >Alright! i get to respond to two mails for the price of one! > >Cliff, that's it...i've had it from you, you wanna step outside? > >Magicada...14 seconds is too much? zowee, not enough for me. i >usually have the 1/2 speed function on before i start recording, so i >have approx. 28 seconds to record the loop. plus i like being able >to hit the switch and have the loop jump an octave, rather than drop >an octave. > > >rich > > > >>I am so happy with the 14 second looper on the dl4 what can i say? >>14 secs is almost too much >>yahoo >>c >>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com wrote: >>> lol, aren't you supposed to be working Mr. Atkinson? Slaving, not >>>looping!(Insert snapping whip sound here) >> >>;) >> >>Cliff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 17:29:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27120; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:28:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:28:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c03300$d267abc0$22bcd8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <001801c032f3$11599860$9883abd4@a6d4z2> Subject: Re: new foot controller Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:26:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C032C6.250D0EA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C032C6.250D0EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This looks well made and pretty deep but no note on/off! =20 Gary ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Luca=20 To: Loop=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 12:48 PM Subject: new foot controller looking for a clever foot controller, I have been surprised to find = one pretty interesting at this address: www.proelgroup.com/Download/Manuals/MS_32.pdf surprised because it's italian ! ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C032C6.250D0EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This looks well made and pretty deep but no note = on/off! =20
Gary
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looking for a clever foot controller, I have = been=20 surprised to find one pretty interesting at this address:
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C032C6.250D0EA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 17:39:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27350; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:38:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:38:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901c03302$55d44620$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <4036A094D96A9549A6D6CCD979F1F363294FE1@engin-mail2.ad.engin.umich.edu> Subject: Re: massive arrays of loopers Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:37:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I, for one, am really looking forward to seeing what sort of bizarro noise I can make running the short loops I make with a DOD DFX94 into a longer loop on the Repeater. Unfortunately I have to wait til the end of the month for that. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darcy Clark" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 12:06 PM Subject: massive arrays of loopers > Hi all, > > I am curious if anyone on the list is taking advantage of the relative > cheapness of today's crop of loopers and is experimenting with arrays or > multiple looping streams....e.g. to take advantage of things like feedback > and multiple post-processing, relooping etc... sorry to be so vague, I guess > I'm asking about ideas that I myself haven't played with yet. For instance > the DL4 has nice knobbies to play with - I wondered what it would be like to > make an array of these units, then send a loop in to the array and then putz > with the loop as it travels through array. > > Put simply, I am just curious as to whether or not people are using multiple > (cheap) looping devices in creative ways ? > > cheers, > > Darcy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 21:17:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30965; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:16:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:16:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:14:30 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: MOOG ENDLESS is back Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Our System55 is back. We re start the streaming for 24hours. http://www.cavestudio.com/S+V/moog_endless.html Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 22:25:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32058; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:24:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:24:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:59:38 -0700 From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: MOOG ENDLESS is back To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007801c03337$ad77c7a0$735cfea9@pavilion> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yay . . . missed my favorite analog muzak . . . :) WOW-- a rare live performance instead of a patch . . , drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sunao Inami" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 6:14 PM Subject: MOOG ENDLESS is back > Hi, > > Our System55 is back. > We re start the streaming for 24hours. > http://www.cavestudio.com/S+V/moog_endless.html > > Sunao Inami > http://www.cavestudio.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 01:35:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01805; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:33:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:33:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01fd01c03344$68bec7a0$baaa5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #185 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:30:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #185 October 5, 2000. On this show, I started a month-long focus on Tangerine Dream as this year's annual Oktoberfest celebration. The feature CD at Midnight was "Phaedra" on the Virgin label. I also played the music of Jonn Serrie and Gary Stroutsos who will be performing at the next Gathering. Tangerine Dream http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2000/focus00.html#oct The Gathering http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Jonn Serrie & The Rain Maiden Hidden World (Narada) Gary Stroutsos Tony Gerber The Hunt Altimira (Space for Music) Foreign Spaces Phaeton I - Planet Phaeton (Invisible Shadows) William Linton Wayfarer One and Two Wayfarer (Space for Music) Stephen Parsick Close Beneath the Surface Traces of the Past (Spheric Music) 12:00 am Loren Nerell Dark Horizon The Venerable Dark (Amplexus) Tangerine Dream Phaedra Phaedra (Virgin) Tangerine Dream The Mysterious Semblance Phaedra (Virgin) at the Strand of Nightmares Tangerine Dream Movements of a Visionary Phaedra (Virgin) Tangerine Dream Sequent C' Phaedra (Virgin) Jeffery Fayman & The Stars Below A Temple in the Clouds Robert Fripp (Tranceportation/Projekt) VA [e. Voice p.] Entered Apprentice Ambient Landscapes 2 (Dark Duck) Steve Roach & Turning World * Solitaire:Ritual Ground (Projekt) Elmar Schulte 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Tangerine Dream to celebrate Oktoberfest EMUSIC-style. The feature CD at midnight will be "Rubycon" on the Virgin label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 03:57:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03250; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 03:56:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 03:56:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 04:36:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Pafford X-Sender: todd@galen.local.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: not enough DL4 patches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, rich wrote: > > example. say you have the multi-head on a pretty fast delay time, > and you turn the feedback way up, so it's starting to self-oscillate. > then you slowly turn the speed down, really slow, so you get this > deconstructing downpitch thing. now you've got this noisy low rumble > happening and you want to turn it off or fade it out. Go ahead, use > the expression pedal, but that sound is now going to speed up as it > fades out, back to where the knobs were when you started. you would > pretty much have to get on your knees and adjust the mix manually, > which is what i do mostly when we're doing alot of live knob > twiddling. > This reminds me of a mod a friend of mine made to one of his old Boss DD-5s (he had two in series). To get that pitch dive/whistle effect that comes from a healthy tweak of the speed knob WITHOUT having to get down on his knees and pray to the digital god, he had a solder geek he knows pull out the pot and wire it into a gutted Wah pedal. This pedal was then wired directly into the DD-5. Imagine ripping the knob out and having the wires magically stretch out through the hole where the knob used to be and all the way over to a wah pedal; one covered with white shag carpeting no less. VERY cool, and pretty much necessary given the DD-5s didn't have a tap-tempo input if memory serves. Anyway, couldn't you pull the Mix knob out of the DL4 and do the same? I bet it would bypass all the preset mumbo jumbo that comes from wagging the expression pedal. An idea anyway. :) Happy looping. --- "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake Todd Pafford galen@erols.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 10:26:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07028; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:25:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:25:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001011142321.15610.qmail@web1103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 07:23:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Martin Subject: Re: DOD Dimension12 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2EefxD.A.ItB.gfH55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Martin- Thanks for the posting on the Dimension! A couple of questions: -does it have a true "hold" function in delay mode, using the footswitch? -when you tweak the delay time of a loop with the tap-tempo function (making a 1 sec loop 12 sec long, for example), is the pitch of the loop altered, or just its length? What happens to the sound quality of the loop after such a drastic change? Thanks for the info, Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 11:03:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07705; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:00:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:00:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E480A9.B14BA384@t-online.de> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:01:01 +0200 From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) Reply-To: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DOD Dimension12 References: <20001011142321.15610.qmail@web1103.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0265142411-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Scott- The Dimension12 needs the DOD Footpedal FS3 to get the Sample and Hold function of the Dimension.Switch one is for Sample and Hold,so a true Holdfunction.Switch 2 is for tapping in the delaytime and switch three for turn on/off the effect.In reverse mode,only taping in the delaytime is possible.Negative aspect is,that we need this special footpedal for it,instead to use normal ones.Anyway.... The Pitch will not get altered,when changing the delay time from a short one to a long one.It could be said,that this-for example 1sec delay,will be copied in row until the longer delaytime is filled up. Like a Bitmapsequence in Photoshop.This can cause some noises,because it is not crossfaded.Rough cuts...This depends at least on the material. Mostly the result is acceptable an OK,and sometimes also a nice rythmical alteration happens,depending to the relation of the old time to the new one. Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Martin schrieb > > Martin- > > Thanks for the posting on the Dimension! A couple of > questions: > > -does it have a true "hold" function in delay mode, > using the footswitch? > > -when you tweak the delay time of a loop with the > tap-tempo function (making a 1 sec loop 12 sec long, > for example), is the pitch of the loop altered, or > just its length? What happens to the sound quality of > the loop after such a drastic change? > > Thanks for the info, > Scott Martin > coirbidh_99@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 11:27:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08086; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:26:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:26:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:25:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: not enough DL4 patches Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the idea, Todd! Kindof a scary one, but a interesting idea nonetheless. I opened the DL4 up once, to see if there was a user accessible EPROM chip (ala POD). No such luck...i had to send mine in to get an update, since i bought one of the very first ones. Seems like everything's packed in there pretty tight, but i'll check it out again. rich >On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, rich wrote: >> >> example. say you have the multi-head on a pretty fast delay time, >> and you turn the feedback way up, so it's starting to self-oscillate. >> then you slowly turn the speed down, really slow, so you get this >> deconstructing downpitch thing. now you've got this noisy low rumble >> happening and you want to turn it off or fade it out. Go ahead, use >> the expression pedal, but that sound is now going to speed up as it >> fades out, back to where the knobs were when you started. you would >> pretty much have to get on your knees and adjust the mix manually, >> which is what i do mostly when we're doing alot of live knob >> twiddling. >> > >This reminds me of a mod a friend of mine made to one of his old Boss >DD-5s (he had two in series). To get that pitch dive/whistle effect that >comes from a healthy tweak of the speed knob WITHOUT having to get down on >his knees and pray to the digital god, he had a solder geek he knows pull >out the pot and wire it into a gutted Wah pedal. This pedal was then >wired directly into the DD-5. Imagine ripping the knob out and having the >wires magically stretch out through the hole where the knob used to be and >all the way over to a wah pedal; one covered with white shag carpeting no >less. VERY cool, and pretty much necessary given the DD-5s didn't have a >tap-tempo input if memory serves. > >Anyway, couldn't you pull the Mix knob out of the DL4 and do the same? I >bet it would bypass all the preset mumbo jumbo that comes from wagging the >expression pedal. > >An idea anyway. :) >Happy looping. > >--- >"If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear > to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake > >Todd Pafford galen@erols.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 12:10:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08811; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:09:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:09:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: New Guy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:05:48 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 10/11/2000 11:05:53 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good morning. This is my first posting and I am as new to looping as I am this mailing list. I've always had an intellectual curiosity regarding looping, thinking, "wouldn't it be cool if..." only to find out that you guys are out there _doing_ it! Well, I'll be damned if I don't give it a spin, myself. So, to facilitate this, I'd like to tap your collective knowledge. I'd really like to know some real-world examples of live performance looping rigs. What's your signal chain? How do you route effects? Before the looper? After? Do you use multichannel or multiple-unit loopers for individual effects/volume control over different, concurrently playing loops? How do you interact with other performers? If you did not want to intentionally introduce polyrythym (or just plain out-of-time-edness), how do you synch? To what? With what? I suppose I can count myself lucky to begin the looping odyssey shortly before a much-anticipated new product, the Repeater. The rerelease of the EDP comes shortly, too, doesn't it? Meanwhile, there are other littler boxes that I'm sure could help. I'm trying to get a feel for what can be done, what is being done, in the field of looping. Also, listening suggestions are very welcome. I am a devoted fan of Bill Frisell and know his entire body of work. I have read about David Torn, but never heard him (except that he appears to be on every movie soundtrack produced in the last decade. See http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/Info ). Anyone else? Thanks; I know already this is a friendly and inclusive group. Lindsay Graham Some guy who does financial work for a concrete manufacturer. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 12:19:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09197; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:18:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:18:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:16:00 EDT Subject: Re: New Guy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: <82k8WC.A.bPC.6JJ55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/11/00 2:08:16 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, lindsay@pavestone.com writes: << listening suggestions are very welcome. >> lindsay.......welcome.......www.loopxchange.com this will give you an idea of what some folk from this list do musically........rumor has it, a few more cds are coming soon...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 12:23:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09347; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:22:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:22:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001011162108.24755.qmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:21:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Martin Subject: Noises through pickups To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've heard in divers places about adding sonic material to loops by playing various things through the pickups of a guitar - vibrators, cordless drills, etc. My particular interest is in using cassette players; I know that Torn sensei does some of this, and I think others on the list have mentioned it. Anyone care to share experiences, techniques, caveats in this area? Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 12:32:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09794; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:31:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:31:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7785892C3084D411B37B00D0B788C766134788@mail.ghgroup.com> From: "Morrison, Roger" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Noises through pickups Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:31:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0339F.E27D71E4" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0339F.E27D71E4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Many of those devices are used to affect the strings by the magnetic field generated my the motor, and a cassette player will do that as well, but cassette players also have the additional benefit of allowing you to feed the audio into the pickups. I have tried using those little pocket memory devices (the little digital "memo to self"-type keychains), but find that they have trouble producing enough level to really work well. (I think they might work better if I were using a cleaner sound rather than distorted, ear-scratching feedback.) I have to say, though, one of the coolest things I've seen fed into pickups is the human voice. Robby Aceto, who's on this list sometimes (Hi Robby!), used to sing into his pickups and sample it with a stomp box when he played with Red Letter. > ---------- > From: Scott Martin > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 12:21 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Noises through pickups > > I've heard in divers places about adding sonic > material to loops by playing various things through > the pickups of a guitar - vibrators, cordless drills, > etc. My particular interest is in using cassette > players; I know that Torn sensei does some of this, > and I think others on the list have mentioned it. > Anyone care to share experiences, techniques, caveats > in this area? > > Scott Martin > coirbidh_99@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0339F.E27D71E4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Noises through pickups

Many of those devices are = used to affect the strings by the magnetic field generated my the = motor, and a cassette player will do that as well, but cassette players = also have the additional benefit of allowing you to feed the audio into = the pickups. I have tried using those little pocket memory devices (the = little digital "memo to self"-type keychains), but find that = they have trouble producing enough level to really work well. (I think = they might work better if I were using a cleaner sound rather than = distorted, ear-scratching feedback.)

I have to say, though, one of = the coolest things I've seen fed into pickups is the human voice. Robby = Aceto, who's on this list sometimes (Hi Robby!), used to sing into his = pickups and sample it with a stomp box when he played with Red = Letter.

    ----------
    From:   Scott Martin
    Reply To: =       Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Sent:   Wednesday, October 11, 2000 12:21 PM
    To:     = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: =        Noises through pickups

    I've heard in divers places about = adding sonic
    material to loops by playing various = things through
    the pickups of a guitar - vibrators, = cordless drills,
    etc.  My particular interest is = in using cassette
    players; I know that Torn sensei = does some of this,
    and I think others on the list have = mentioned it.
    Anyone care to share experiences, = techniques, caveats
    in this area?

    Scott Martin
    coirbidh_99@yahoo.com



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0339F.E27D71E4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 12:42:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10242; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:41:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:41:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.webslingerZ.com: sburnett owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:36:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Burnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Noises through pickups In-Reply-To: <20001011162108.24755.qmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Scott Martin wrote: > I've heard in divers places about adding sonic > material to loops by playing various things through > the pickups of a guitar - vibrators, cordless drills, > etc. My particular interest is in using cassette > players; I know that Torn sensei does some of this, > and I think others on the list have mentioned it. > Anyone care to share experiences, techniques, caveats > in this area? I have an old comment archived from Stickwire on this, from Stew Benedict: ----words below are by Stew---- Hey all you string-instrument players/loopists. I don't know if anyone else is a CAD-jockey, but I stumbled on an interesting effect last night by accident while setting up a digitizing tablet and trying to get in some Stick practice. The "puck" on a digitizer has wire windings around the bullseye, which connect back to the circuitry to locate the puck on the tablet. Anyway, by accident I lifted the puck from the tablet and it got close to my pickups/strings and generated some very interesting sounds, sort of a sitar/spring reverb kind of thing, amplitude varied by proximity to strings and pickup. I would guess this is similar to the concept the ebow uses? I didn't have time to explore it fully, but if any of you have a digitizer laying around, check it out, it's sort of neat! ----words below are mine---- Not having a graphics tablet around, I've never tried this yet. :) regards, Steve Burnett -- onNow: Attrition, _The Jeopardy Maze_ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 12:54:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10782; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:52:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:52:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001011124345.024bb910@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: km15@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:51:59 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: kevin miller Subject: Re: Noises through pickups In-Reply-To: <20001011162108.24755.qmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This may not be what you're looking for, but I've found that a recording walkman (the kind with the little speaker in it), set to record and held over the pickups, produces a wonderful squealy feedback which you can manipulate a bit depending on placement- and putting it in "pause" changes the feedback as well. Plus you get some strange stuff recorded on the cassette that's in there! Kevin At 09:21 AM 10/11/00 -0700, you wrote: >I've heard in divers places about adding sonic >material to loops by playing various things through >the pickups of a guitar - vibrators, cordless drills, >etc. My particular interest is in using cassette >players; I know that Torn sensei does some of this, >and I think others on the list have mentioned it. >Anyone care to share experiences, techniques, caveats >in this area? > >Scott Martin >coirbidh_99@yahoo.com > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 13:01:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11000; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:00:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:00:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d601c033a4$02ea8170$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Noises through pickups Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:55:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a couple of mag pick-ups that I play around with. I've used lengths of 2" thin-wall conduit (6 ft or so) held like marimba bars. LOW tones!! Also howitzer shells work pretty well. I bought some cheap stainless steel ones. The pick-ups also work on most of my cymbals, gongs, and singing bowls, interestingly enough. And don't forget to loop your loopers! Take a radio (AM works really well), put it next to your EDP or whatever, and tweak the tuning until you hear things. Loop the audio from the radio. Distortion boxes can help here. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Burnett" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 11:36 AM Subject: Re: Noises through pickups > On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Scott Martin wrote: > > > I've heard in divers places about adding sonic > > material to loops by playing various things through > > the pickups of a guitar - vibrators, cordless drills, > > etc. My particular interest is in using cassette > > players; I know that Torn sensei does some of this, > > and I think others on the list have mentioned it. > > Anyone care to share experiences, techniques, caveats > > in this area? > > I have an old comment archived from Stickwire on this, from Stew Benedict: > > ----words below are by Stew---- > Hey all you string-instrument players/loopists. I don't know if anyone > else is a CAD-jockey, but I stumbled on an interesting effect last night > by accident while setting up a digitizing tablet and trying to get in > some Stick practice. The "puck" on a digitizer has wire windings around > the bullseye, which connect back to the circuitry to locate the puck on > the tablet. Anyway, by accident I lifted the puck from the tablet and > it got close to my pickups/strings and generated some very interesting > sounds, sort of a sitar/spring reverb kind of thing, amplitude varied > by proximity to strings and pickup. I would guess this is similar to > the concept the ebow uses? I didn't have time to explore it fully, > but if any of you have a digitizer laying around, check it out, it's > sort of neat! > ----words below are mine---- > > Not having a graphics tablet around, I've never tried this yet. :) > > regards, > Steve Burnett > -- > onNow: Attrition, _The Jeopardy Maze_ > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com > http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 13:04:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11258; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:03:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:03:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130A3F@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Noises through pickups Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:59:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my friend ge stinson uses a handheld dictaphone (real name? one of those mini cassette recorders business guys use), places it over the pickup and adds a little volume boost. works pretty well. can kinda get shortwave sorta sounds - - and can be totally insane (and too loud) if used with fuzz, etc. stig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 13:32:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11871; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:30:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:30:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E4A336.70F64FCB@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:28:23 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Noises through pickups References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2T-yID.A.B5C.INK55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There used to be toys called "MegaMouths" They were essentially little voice effects that played back built in samples. Some of them sampled as well. Anyway, I use them all the time to put vocal content into my guitar pickups via inductance. The problem is they are VERY prone to feedback. The best way to do it, is to kill your guitar's output while doing it, and use it for looping purposes only. I have a little micro cassette recorder that works well too. My girlfriend bought me a pitch shifter halloween toy that I'm "dying" to try out! (the quality is surprisingly good!) Anyway, check out your local toy stores, they're full of bargain musical ideas! Mark Sottilaro Steve Burnett wrote: > On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Scott Martin wrote: > > > I've heard in divers places about adding sonic > > material to loops by playing various things through > > the pickups of a guitar - vibrators, cordless drills, > > etc. My particular interest is in using cassette > > players; I know that Torn sensei does some of this, > > and I think others on the list have mentioned it. > > Anyone care to share experiences, techniques, caveats > > in this area? > > I have an old comment archived from Stickwire on this, from Stew Benedict: > > ----words below are by Stew---- > Hey all you string-instrument players/loopists. I don't know if anyone > else is a CAD-jockey, but I stumbled on an interesting effect last night > by accident while setting up a digitizing tablet and trying to get in > some Stick practice. The "puck" on a digitizer has wire windings around > the bullseye, which connect back to the circuitry to locate the puck on > the tablet. Anyway, by accident I lifted the puck from the tablet and > it got close to my pickups/strings and generated some very interesting > sounds, sort of a sitar/spring reverb kind of thing, amplitude varied > by proximity to strings and pickup. I would guess this is similar to > the concept the ebow uses? I didn't have time to explore it fully, > but if any of you have a digitizer laying around, check it out, it's > sort of neat! > ----words below are mine---- > > Not having a graphics tablet around, I've never tried this yet. :) > > regards, > Steve Burnett > -- > onNow: Attrition, _The Jeopardy Maze_ > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com > http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 13:33:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11986; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:32:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:32:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E4A380.511DB166@best.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:29:36 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Noises through pickups References: <00d601c033a4$02ea8170$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis, What are these "singing bowls"? An off-list friend of mine just recently told me about crucibles salvaged from the computer chip industry (used to melt silicon) that ring intensely when rubbed. Could these be the same thing? Where did you get them? What are they made of? -Allan |:????:| Dennis Leas wrote: > > ...The pick-ups also work on most of my cymbals, gongs, and singing > bowls, interestingly enough.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 13:48:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12197; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:43:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:43:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.168.4.72] User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:40:36 -0700 Subject: Re: Noises through pickups From: Frank Mabee To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200010111701.NAA11180@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3054105636_84729_MIME_Part" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2000 17:40:36.0751 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D33D9F0:01C033AA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3054105636_84729_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit From: Scott Martin Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:21:08 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Noises through pickups I've heard in divers places about adding sonic material to loops by playing various things through the pickups of a guitar - vibrators, cordless drills, etc. My particular interest is in using cassette players; I know that Torn sensei does some of this, and I think others on the list have mentioned it. Anyone care to share experiences, techniques, caveats in this area? Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com Nels Cline creates some amazing textures by using a Fuzz Factory and one of those Smokey amps -- the little cigarette pack things -- and feeding it back into the pickups of his Jazzmaster. I think he takes a second output from a volume pedal so that the guitar signal still goes through to his amplifier. No, really, I don't stand at the edge of the stage and stare at guitarist's pedalboard. Really. Frank --MS_Mac_OE_3054105636_84729_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Noises through pickups

From: Scott Martin <coirbidh_99@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:21:08 -0700 (PDT)
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Noises through pickups

I've heard in divers places about adding sonic
material to loops by playing various things through
the pickups of a guitar - vibrators, cordless drills,
etc.  My particular interest is in using cassette
players; I know that Torn sensei does some of this,
and I think others on the list have mentioned it.
Anyone care to share experiences, techniques, caveats
in this area?

Scott Martin
coirbidh_99@yahoo.com

Nels Cline creates some amazing textures by using a Fuzz Factory and one of= those Smokey amps -- the little cigarette pack things -- and feeding it bac= k into the pickups of his Jazzmaster.  I think he takes a second output= from a volume pedal so that the guitar signal still goes through to his amp= lifier.

No, really, I don't stand at the edge of the stage and stare at guitarist's= pedalboard.  Really.

Frank
--MS_Mac_OE_3054105636_84729_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 13:53:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12976; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:51:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:51:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c033ac$8707ca00$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Noises through pickups Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:56:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Singing bowls are traditional brass bowls from I forget what asian country- they use a thick wooden pestle-like handles- you rub the outher rim of the bowl in a 360 degree rotation and it begins to resonate- VERY cool- one day I will start collecting these things- I have always loved gongs etc- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Allan Hoeltje To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:37 AM Subject: Re: Noises through pickups >Dennis, > >What are these "singing bowls"? An off-list friend of mine just >recently told me about crucibles salvaged from the computer chip >industry (used to melt silicon) that ring intensely when rubbed. Could >these be the same thing? Where did you get them? What are they made >of? > >-Allan >|:????:| > >Dennis Leas wrote: >> >> ...The pick-ups also work on most of my cymbals, gongs, and singing >> bowls, interestingly enough.... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 13:56:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13109; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:55:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:55:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130A41@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Noises through pickups Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:51:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C033AB.DAC03E30" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C033AB.DAC03E30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Nels Cline creates some amazing textures by using a Fuzz Factory and one of those Smokey amps -- the little cigarette pack things -- and feeding it back into the pickups of his Jazzmaster. I think he takes a second output from a volume pedal so that the guitar signal still goes through to his amplifier. ** hey. i don't think that nels does the second output thing - - or better put, when i've played with him, i'm pretty sure that he hasn't. however, he does like to use toy rayguns and such. stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C033AB.DAC03E30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Re: Noises through pickups

Nels Cline creates some amazing textures by using a Fuzz Factory and one of those Smokey amps -- the little cigarette pack things -- and feeding it back into the pickups of his Jazzmaster.   
 
 
 
 
 I think he takes a second output from a volume pedal so that the guitar signal still goes through to his amplifier.

** hey. i don't think that nels does the second output thing - - or better put, when i've played with him, i'm pretty sure that he hasn't. however, he does like to use toy rayguns and such.
 
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C033AB.DAC03E30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 13:59:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13240; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:58:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:58:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39E4A380.511DB166@best.com> References: <00d601c033a4$02ea8170$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <39E4A380.511DB166@best.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:55:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Noises through pickups Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <8gjlg.A.SND.qmK55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't know if Dennis is using something different than what i've got, but my 'singing bowls' (sometimes referred to as Tibetan Singing Bowls) are essentially cymbals that are in the shape of a bowl, and you use a wooden rod to make them 'sing'. you hold the bowl at the very bottom in one hand by your fingertips, then run the edge of the rod round the lip of the bowl, applying even pressure and the bowl begins to resonate and 'sing'. They can also be simply struck, and they ring like a gong. It takes some practice and getting used to, but once you get it, it's fairly easy to make 'em work. There is an incredible variety of shapes, sizes, PRICE and QUALITY out there, so shop carefully and play it before you buy. You can usually find them at New Age shops or ethnic stores carrying Indian/Asian instruments. I have a couple of them (if anybody lives in Boulder, CO, there was a store there years ago that had dozens and dozens for excellent prices). They are terribly beautiful when played correctly with concentrated intent. imagine the mellowest sounding feedback you've ever heard and that's getting close. Depending on the quality of the bowl, there seems to be a true 'drone' or 'voice' that belongs to each bowl, and with practice and concentration, you can work on eliminating some of the odd harmonics and tones out while you are playing and you end up with the bowl resonating very pure. For me, getting that pure sound had alot to do with the meditative intent as much as hand coordination. They also make some large ones of crystal glass. The real big ones make some amazing low tones that make your gut rumble a bit. yummy. rich >Dennis, > >What are these "singing bowls"? An off-list friend of mine just >recently told me about crucibles salvaged from the computer chip >industry (used to melt silicon) that ring intensely when rubbed. Could >these be the same thing? Where did you get them? What are they made >of? > >-Allan >|:????:| > >Dennis Leas wrote: >> >> ...The pick-ups also work on most of my cymbals, gongs, and singing >> bowls, interestingly enough.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 14:17:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15031; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:14:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:14:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:10:10 EDT Subject: RE: Noises through pickups To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This reminds me... I saw Eugene Chadbourne with his then-band Shockabilly in Denton, Texas, about 1985... "playing" a leaf rake (the kind with long rattly tines on it) that had pickups duct-taped on to it. I nearly soiled myself. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 14:36:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15814; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:34:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:34:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001011182956.18649.qmail@web117.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:29:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Noises through pickups To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- There is an incredible variety of > shapes, sizes, PRICE and QUALITY out there, so shop carefully and > play it before you buy. You can usually find them at New Age shops > or ethnic stores carrying Indian/Asian instruments. I have a couple > of them (if anybody lives in Boulder, CO, there was a store there > years ago that had dozens and dozens for excellent prices). > Where in Boulder? bret http://www.mp3.com/brothersync __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 14:42:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16312; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:38:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:38:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E4A602.D26ADADC@sigecom.net> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:40:18 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Guy References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lindsey, Are you from Indiana? Evansville? Scott lindsay@pavestone.com wrote: > Good morning. > > This is my first posting and I am as new to looping as I am this mailing > list. I've always had an intellectual curiosity regarding looping, > thinking, "wouldn't it be cool if..." only to find out that you guys are > out there _doing_ it! Well, I'll be damned if I don't give it a spin, > myself. So, to facilitate this, I'd like to tap your collective knowledge. > > I'd really like to know some real-world examples of live performance > looping rigs. What's your signal chain? How do you route effects? Before > the looper? After? Do you use multichannel or multiple-unit loopers for > individual effects/volume control over different, concurrently playing > loops? > > How do you interact with other performers? If you did not want to > intentionally introduce polyrythym (or just plain out-of-time-edness), how > do you synch? To what? With what? > > I suppose I can count myself lucky to begin the looping odyssey shortly > before a much-anticipated new product, the Repeater. The rerelease of the > EDP comes shortly, too, doesn't it? Meanwhile, there are other littler > boxes that I'm sure could help. I'm trying to get a feel for what can be > done, what is being done, in the field of looping. Also, listening > suggestions are very welcome. I am a devoted fan of Bill Frisell and know > his entire body of work. I have read about David Torn, but never heard him > (except that he appears to be on every movie soundtrack produced in the > last decade. See http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/Info ). > Anyone else? > > Thanks; I know already this is a friendly and inclusive group. > > Lindsay Graham > Some guy who does financial work for a concrete manufacturer. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 14:54:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16669; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:53:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:53:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Audwin.Carter@Gunter.AF.mil Message-ID: <47F5E257CBF6D311B99A009027B11D4A1F8A51@fsjubj04.ssg.gunter.af.mil> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Beat machine Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:49:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone know if there is a program or software that can turn your computer keyboard into a beat machine?? Someone told me about one recently but I am skeptical. If you have any info on such a program please help me out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 15:05:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17331; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:03:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:03:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: John Neilson Message-Id: <200010111902.e9BJ2Su16500@echonyc.com> Subject: Re: Noises through pickups To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:02:18 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20001011162108.24755.qmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> from "Scott Martin" at Oct 11, 2000 09:21:08 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_Wc8WD.A.bIE.TlL55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I've heard in divers places about adding sonic > material to loops by playing various things through > the pickups of a guitar - vibrators, cordless drills, > etc. My particular interest is in using cassette > players; I know that Torn sensei does some of this, > and I think others on the list have mentioned it. > Anyone care to share experiences, techniques, caveats > in this area? > > Scott Martin Any form of small motor will get picked up by the guitar if held close enough. I "played" an electric screwdriver on a recording years ago. You have some small degree of control depending on how you hold it, how close, etc. Vibrators may or not work the same way. I think the main way people use them is to vibrate the strings directly, like a 6-string EBow. John ----------------------- Tear Along Dotted Line ----------------------- John Neilson jneil@jneil.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 15:06:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16847; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:01:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:01:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: New Guy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:58:42 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 10/11/2000 01:58:57 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Are you from Indiana? > Evansville? No. I live in Dallas. What gave you the idea that I might be from Indiana--Evansville, in particular? I checked to see if my company might have a plant there--but we don't. Now I'm all curious. Is there some rogue Lindsay from Evansville, Scourge of the God-fearing and Bane of the West? Is he/she defiling my name? By the way, those clear plastic, 50's-styled Martian ray-gun pistols with the friction/inertia motor and piece of flint--you know the one that sparks like crazy when you pull the trigger and rev it up--can also come through on particular pick-ups. It depends on what the flywheel inside is made of. If it ferrous, then it acts like a tone wheel from a B3. Plus, you get the super cool effect of spraying sparks all over stage. Scott Winzinger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Guy 10/11/00 12:40 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht Lindsey, Are you from Indiana? Evansville? Scott lindsay@pavestone.com wrote: > Good morning. > > This is my first posting and I am as new to looping as I am this mailing > list. I've always had an intellectual curiosity regarding looping, > thinking, "wouldn't it be cool if..." only to find out that you guys are > out there _doing_ it! Well, I'll be damned if I don't give it a spin, > myself. So, to facilitate this, I'd like to tap your collective knowledge. > > I'd really like to know some real-world examples of live performance > looping rigs. What's your signal chain? How do you route effects? Before > the looper? After? Do you use multichannel or multiple-unit loopers for > individual effects/volume control over different, concurrently playing > loops? > > How do you interact with other performers? If you did not want to > intentionally introduce polyrythym (or just plain out-of-time-edness), how > do you synch? To what? With what? > > I suppose I can count myself lucky to begin the looping odyssey shortly > before a much-anticipated new product, the Repeater. The rerelease of the > EDP comes shortly, too, doesn't it? Meanwhile, there are other littler > boxes that I'm sure could help. I'm trying to get a feel for what can be > done, what is being done, in the field of looping. Also, listening > suggestions are very welcome. I am a devoted fan of Bill Frisell and know > his entire body of work. I have read about David Torn, but never heard him > (except that he appears to be on every movie soundtrack produced in the > last decade. See http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/Info ). > Anyone else? > > Thanks; I know already this is a friendly and inclusive group. > > Lindsay Graham > Some guy who does financial work for a concrete manufacturer. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 15:08:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17573; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:06:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:06:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001011182956.18649.qmail@web117.yahoomail.com> References: <20001011182956.18649.qmail@web117.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:05:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Noises through pickups Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In Boulder, on Pearl St. (i think that's the name, it's been a number of years since i was there, the sort of 'mall' street with all of the shops). There was a store on one end that sold all kinds of asian/indian ethnic goodies... clothing, statues, etc. They had the biggest variety of tibetan singing bowls i had ever seen, at very reasonable prices compared to the inflated price tags you see at the new age shops. I bought my bowl there in '95. God knows if the store is even there anymore? rich >-- There is an incredible variety of > > shapes, sizes, PRICE and QUALITY out there, so shop carefully and >> play it before you buy. You can usually find them at New Age shops >> or ethnic stores carrying Indian/Asian instruments. I have a couple >> of them (if anybody lives in Boulder, CO, there was a store there >> years ago that had dozens and dozens for excellent prices). >> > >Where in Boulder? >bret >http://www.mp3.com/brothersync > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 15:26:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17839; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:19:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:19:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001011191813.9349.qmail@web1104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:18:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Martin Subject: Performance setup To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lindsay: you asked. =) Bear in mind that my setup has been done from a "how can I do this cheaply, preferably with stuff I already have" viewpoint, and may thus be considered an "entry-level" or "budget" solo looping setup, as it were. It also probably doesn't sound as good as other setups. =) Your mileage may vary. I'm currently running a Steinberger Spirit through a Digitech XP300 Space Station into a Line 6 Flextone. The effects send on the amp goes to a Digitech RDS 3.6 set for 100% wet output. The effect output goes to the mixer; the dry output goes to a Boomerang, and then to the mixer. The Boomerang's aux out (loop sound only) goes to a Digitech XP400 reverb pedal (being used as a volume pedal only), into a Digitech S100 rack multi-effects unit (this looping setup made possible by Digitech....), and into the mixer, which is (don't laugh too hard) a Radio Shack passive 4-channel in mono mode. The mixer output feeds the Flextone's effects return. The way I generally use all this stuff: the RDS is used mostly for ambient background and "special effect" loops, taking advantage of the unit's ability to pitch-shift loops by tweaking the delay time. I might scratch the strings with my pick, for example, and then double or triple the delay time for a "barking dogs of hell" sort of sound. This sort of application means that I don't have to worry about trying to sync with the Boomerang, which is primarily used for rhythmic and longer atmospheric loops. Most of my stuff tends to build from arpeggiated or volume-swelled chord sequences or metal-wannabe riffs; the latter are fun to drop an octave for nasty industrial sounds. My personal feeling is that, while shorter-delay loopers are good at what they do, a serious solo looper should have a good long-delay box in their setup: an EDP, JamMan, Boomerang, or Repeater. One could make the argument that the Headrush and DL4 should also be included in this list, although I ended up replacing my Headrush with the 'Rang because I found that it wasn't flexible enough for my needs. Again, YMMV. Loop music recommendations: You've got Frisell covered, apparently. I highly recommend David Torn's work (my personal introduction to looping), particularly _What Means Solid, Traveler?_ and the new Splattercell disc (DT's duo with ex-Living Colour drummer Will Calhoun). Robert Fripp's Soundscaping albums are more ambient and less satisfying to me personally, but there are lots of Fripp fans on the LD list who can sing his praises. If you prefer a more band-oriented sound, Polytown (featuring Mr. Torn) is a good choice. Robby Aceto's album _Code_ is a wonderful piece of work using looping in a more rock-band-oriented context (I'm dying to get my hands on the one disc by Aceto's band Red Letter). Also, explore other repetitive musics besides those specifically made by loop-device-users. Some inspiration listening for me lately has been Nine Inch Nails' _The Fragile_ and a collection of Native American music. Enjoy! Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 15:44:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18298; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:41:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:41:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011001c033ba$69aaaaa0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <00d601c033a4$02ea8170$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <39E4A380.511DB166@best.com> Subject: Re: Noises through pickups Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:35:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Don't know if Dennis is using something different than what i've got, > but my 'singing bowls' (sometimes referred to as Tibetan Singing > Bowls) are essentially cymbals that are in the shape of a bowl, and > you use a wooden rod to make them 'sing'. Rich has it right! For a picture of my "bowling team" (my buddy Joe and I), see http://www.worldserver.com/bowls/dennis_joe1.jpg and http://www.worldserver.com/bowls/dennis_joe.jpg . I'm on the left...(one of these days I'll get my website up)... IMHO: I've never played an instrument that I've "felt" as much as a singing bowl. Not only do you feel the vibrations through the stick but also through your other hand. It's fun to put water in it and watch the patterns, too. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 12:55 PM Subject: Re: Noises through pickups > Don't know if Dennis is using something different than what i've got, > but my 'singing bowls' (sometimes referred to as Tibetan Singing > Bowls) are essentially cymbals that are in the shape of a bowl, and > you use a wooden rod to make them 'sing'. you hold the bowl at the > very bottom in one hand by your fingertips, then run the edge of the > rod round the lip of the bowl, applying even pressure and the bowl > begins to resonate and 'sing'. They can also be simply struck, and > they ring like a gong. > > It takes some practice and getting used to, but once you get it, it's > fairly easy to make 'em work. There is an incredible variety of > shapes, sizes, PRICE and QUALITY out there, so shop carefully and > play it before you buy. You can usually find them at New Age shops > or ethnic stores carrying Indian/Asian instruments. I have a couple > of them (if anybody lives in Boulder, CO, there was a store there > years ago that had dozens and dozens for excellent prices). > > They are terribly beautiful when played correctly with concentrated > intent. imagine the mellowest sounding feedback you've ever heard > and that's getting close. Depending on the quality of the bowl, > there seems to be a true 'drone' or 'voice' that belongs to each > bowl, and with practice and concentration, you can work on > eliminating some of the odd harmonics and tones out while you are > playing and you end up with the bowl resonating very pure. For me, > getting that pure sound had alot to do with the meditative intent as > much as hand coordination. > > They also make some large ones of crystal glass. The real big ones > make some amazing low tones that make your gut rumble a bit. yummy. > > rich > > > > > >Dennis, > > > >What are these "singing bowls"? An off-list friend of mine just > >recently told me about crucibles salvaged from the computer chip > >industry (used to melt silicon) that ring intensely when rubbed. Could > >these be the same thing? Where did you get them? What are they made > >of? > > > >-Allan > >|:????:| > > > >Dennis Leas wrote: > >> > >> ...The pick-ups also work on most of my cymbals, gongs, and singing > >> bowls, interestingly enough.... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 15:54:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18477; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:48:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:48:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7785892C3084D411B37B00D0B788C76613478D@mail.ghgroup.com> From: "Morrison, Roger" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Red Letter (was re: Performance setup) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:48:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C033BB.5B79922E" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C033BB.5B79922E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > Scott Martin wrote: "Robby Aceto's album _Code_ is a wonderful piece of > work using looping in a more rock-band-oriented context (I'm dying to get > my hands on the one disc by Aceto's band Red Letter)." > Jeez, 2 mentions of Red Letter in one day. What a list! There actually are 2 Red Letter CDs, although I'm pretty sure the first one is way out of print. The second one (True North) also is more loopiful than the first, but both are very good. There is still an online order form for True North at https://order.kagi.com/cgi-bin/r1.cgi?SN&& (I can't verify whether it is truly up to date--Doug?). [Just to confess my true sickness, I also have a bootleg recording of Red Letter I made at Don Hill's in NYC.] > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C033BB.5B79922E Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Red Letter (was re: Performance setup)

    Scott Martin wrote: "Robby Aceto's = album _Code_ is a = wonderful piece of work using looping in a = more rock-band-oriented context (I'm dying to get my = hands on the one disc by Aceto's band Red = Letter)."

    Jeez, 2 mentions of Red = Letter in one day. What a list! There actually are 2 Red Letter CDs, = although I'm pretty sure the first one is way out of print. The second = one (True North) also is more loopiful than the first, but both are = very good. There is still an online order form for True North at https://order.kagi.com/cgi-bin/r1.cgi?SN&& (I = can't verify whether it is truly up to date--Doug?). [Just to confess = my true sickness, I also have a bootleg recording of Red Letter I made = at Don Hill's in NYC.]

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C033BB.5B79922E-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 16:00:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18694; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:59:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:59:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: Performance setup To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:55:22 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 10/11/2000 02:55:50 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is great--thank you, Scott Martin. Now I've got a neat little diagram of your stage rig and I'll be pondering its implications when I get off work. Anyone else? In particular, I'm interested in learning how to control the effects/dynamics of concurrently-playing layers of a loop. For instance, we have figure A and figure B playing over drone D. What mechanisms do you employ to alter A while not B or D? To remove B? To bring it back? Thanks again, Lindsay From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 16:06:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18983; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:05:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:05:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doug@pop.lightlink.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:04:41 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Doug Wyatt Subject: RE: Red Letter (was re: Performance setup) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 15:48 -0400 10/11/00, Morrison, Roger wrote: >Jeez, 2 mentions of Red Letter in one day. What a list! There >actually are 2 Red Letter CDs, although I'm pretty sure the first >one is way out of print. The second one (True North) also is more >loopiful than the first, but both are very good. There is still an >online order form for True North at >https://order.kagi.com/cgi-bin/r1.cgi?SN&& >(I can't verify whether it is truly up to date--Doug?). [Just to >confess my true sickness, I also have a bootleg recording of Red >Letter I made at Don Hill's in NYC.] (thanks for changing the Subject so I'd be sure to read this) yes, True North is still available there. I don't have copies of Reach to sell but I think Rob may still have some. Rob? Coincidentally, I just pulled out Reach and Code for first listenings in a long time the other day. Can I get a copy of your recording from Don Hill's? There has been talk about getting together and playing again sometime this winter and it'd be nice to have a reminder of what it's supposed to sound like :-) Doug -- Doug Wyatt doug@sonosphere.com http://www.sonosphere.com/ "There are only two rules: 1. Don't hurt anyone 2. It isn't possible not to hurt anyone" -- Adam Adrian Crown From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 16:17:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19274; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:16:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:16:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016001c033c0$ffa7d360$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Noises through pickups Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:17:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I want to join the league!!! Damn, all those gleaming bowls- looks like bliss- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Leas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:04 PM Subject: Re: Noises through pickups > >For a picture of my "bowling team" (my buddy Joe and I), see >http://www.worldserver.com/bowls/dennis_joe1.jpg and >http://www.worldserver.com/bowls/dennis_joe.jpg . I'm on the left...(one of >these days I'll get my website up)... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 16:21:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19398; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:20:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:20:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <011001c033ba$69aaaaa0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <00d601c033a4$02ea8170$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <39E4A380.511DB166@best.com> <011001c033ba$69aaaaa0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:19:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Noises through pickups Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Holy Cow, batman, are all of those singing bowls yours? Must make for great parties. i can only imagine all of them going...awesome collection, Dennis! > >For a picture of my "bowling team" (my buddy Joe and I), see >http://www.worldserver.com/bowls/dennis_joe1.jpg and >http://www.worldserver.com/bowls/dennis_joe.jpg . I'm on the left...(one of >these days I'll get my website up)... > >IMHO: I've never played an instrument that I've "felt" as much as a singing >bowl. Not only do you feel the vibrations through the stick but also >through your other hand. It's fun to put water in it and watch the >patterns, too. I'm gonna second that. nothing 'feels' like the bowls when they're getting going...the water trick is a blast too. i've noticed that the patterns that develop are strikingly similar to alot of pics i've seen of mandalas/fractal/golden curve images. me like. rich ps. dennis, have you tried setting a large bowl on the ground (on a little bean bag or something), putting some water in it, and floating a smaller bowl in it and then playing? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 16:32:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19773; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:31:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:31:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:33:39 -0600 (MDT) From: the Reverend Rob To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Performance setup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 lindsay@pavestone.com wrote: > In particular, I'm interested in learning how to control the > effects/dynamics of concurrently-playing layers of a loop. For instance, > we have figure A and figure B playing over drone D. What mechanisms do you > employ to alter A while not B or D? To remove B? To bring it back? I use multiple RDS series loopers and an old Boss rackmount for this; each loop is discreet and I run two guitar amps for spread, depth, and clarity of signal so it doesn't turn into mush through one input. 93/156 == the Reverend Rob ICQ:1280871 http://www.reverendrob.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 16:33:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19917; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:32:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:32:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019601c033c1$8efd17f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <016001c033c0$ffa7d360$7bb387d8@cliff> Subject: Re: Noises through pickups Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:26:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <5Odx3C.A.W0E.I4M55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I want to join the league!!! Damn, all those gleaming bowls- looks like > bliss- Bliss yes! Observe the goofy grins... :D Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 16:35:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20055; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:34:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:34:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019701c033c1$e13956f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <00d601c033a4$02ea8170$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <39E4A380.511DB166@best.com> <011001c033ba$69aaaaa0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Noises through pickups Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:28:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <8mUkH.A.H4E.R6M55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Holy Cow, batman, are all of those singing bowls yours? Nope, not all of them (shucks), but a good number are. I got a bunch of folk to order bowls. When the bowls arrived I took the opportunity to take a picture. :) > ...i've noticed that > the patterns that develop are strikingly similar to alot of pics i've > seen of mandalas/fractal/golden curve images. me like. Yes! Very nice. Somebody should try a clear glass bowl and project the image. > ps. dennis, have you tried setting a large bowl on the ground (on a > little bean bag or something), putting some water in it, and floating > a smaller bowl in it and then playing? I haven't tried this. Thanks for the tip! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 16:46:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20927; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:45:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:45:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E4D0BB.55A18F52@cabq.gov> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:42:35 -0600 From: "Jason E. Fink" Organization: City of Albuquerque X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Performance setup References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Anyone else? > > In particular, I'm interested in learning how to control the > effects/dynamics of concurrently-playing layers of a loop. For instance, > we have figure A and figure B playing over drone D. What mechanisms do you > employ to alter A while not B or D? To remove B? To bring it back? I hope others respond to this thread, because I am really into seeing what you guys are up to... in addition I am very interested in answers to the question above. So here is my gear, although my groovy new Zvex Seek Wah is not pictured. http://gisweb.cabq.gov/mp3/jason Though I still feel like a neophyte looper, I can get some cool sounds going with my gear. I still have difficulty transitioning between loops and parts and stuff. Usually I get something going, play over it for about 2 hours and then hit the stop button... start somthing else and repeat. Some of this I can blame on the Headrush, which doesnt allow the feedback to decay with you hit the stop button. As a solution I'll use my Vortex to make small loops from the Headrush output, then things arent so abrupt when stop is hit. However, I would prefer to have better control of feedback on the Headrush itself. There is a sound file on the above link which is my FIRST recording of any looping efforts, and it was done with the gear pictured... it is 2 tracks of loopy guitar and a third overdubbed bass part. This was done with the Headrush in Tape-delay mode rather than Looper mode, and the Vortex was set to one of Andy Butlers cool loop patches. Great fun, I hope to get better at it. Later, -jas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 16:49:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21061; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:48:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:48:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:47:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Performance setup Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:55 PM -0500 10/11/00, lindsay@pavestone.com wrote: >Now I've got a neat little diagram of your stage rig and I'll be pondering >its implications when I get off work. > >Anyone else? If you click on one of the images on there is a schematic of my long-time guitar/loop setup (although it's about to change in a major way). MIDI foot control is omitted from the diagram, although it probably shouldn't be. Chris _________________________________________________________ The optimist sees a glass half full... | Chris Muir The pessimist sees a glass half empty... | cbm@well.com The realist sees a glass twice as big as it needs to be. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 16:51:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21164; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:50:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:50:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: Performance setup Message-ID: <0056910007931135000002L152*@MHS> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:50:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 10/11/00 15:47:47" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA21073 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My favorite simple setup ever is one EDP straight into your amp. It takes along time to exhaust all the possibilities. When I get fancy, I do this : 1.into my DL4 then to an EDP 2.into 2 EDPs, in parallel (but not in stereo), then into two amps (usually sync'd, but not necessarily) 3.into an EDP then into another EDP (in series) into an amp (sync'd or not) 4.my newest experiment : my Orville into two EDPs I assure you that you can do most of this stuff for a lot less money than I have. I have more money than ability, but I can make a hellava lot of noise. Brother K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 17:19:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21594; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:18:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:18:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c033c8$96907820$a283abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: References: Subject: R: Performance setup Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:16:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use this, but I dream to make it lighter: Gtr to: Advance Missing Link (tube mixer) "AML" AML send A to: Eventide 4000 then to Boss Vf-1 then back to AML return A AML send B to: Digitech 2101 then back to AML return B AML stereo out to splitter: stereo out to mixer; stereo out to Jam Man; stereo out to EDP. Jam Man to mixer EDP to mixer I hope to make Switch Blade Revolution soon. Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 17:23:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21712; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:22:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:22:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Performance setup Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:21:06 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can read about my setup at my website, click on 'Dave's Guitars', to get the rundown. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com > Anyone else? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 17:58:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22124; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:52:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:52:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016701c033cd$6d8ad060$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <20001011162108.24755.qmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Noises through pickups Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:51:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <9dbyND.A.jZF.6DO55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Martin" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 12:21 PM Subject: Noises through pickups > I've heard in divers places about adding sonic > material to loops by playing various things through > the pickups of a guitar - vibrators, cordless drills, > etc. My particular interest is in using cassette > players; I know that Torn sensei does some of this, > and I think others on the list have mentioned it. > Anyone care to share experiences, techniques, caveats > in this area? > > Scott Martin > coirbidh_99@yahoo.com When I saw BLUE a while back, during a particularly intense piece, Torn used a little tape recorder and played what sounded like an Islamic muezzin's call into his pickup. I don't remember but he may have fed that into a loop. Way cool. I was making noise with some other people in a rehearsal space recently, and I found a funny little plastic toy guitar sitting around. When you pushed the fretboard, it played a little shred solo through a tiny speaker. At one point, I picked it up and played it into the pickup on my bass. It got a good laugh out of everyone. Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 19:48:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23912; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:46:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:46:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PRCamann@aol.com Message-ID: <6e.3c9741f.27165556@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:44:22 EDT Subject: re: massive arrays of loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: sub 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm currently assembling a system in an SKB PS-100 case (pedalboard plus 3-space rack). The pedalboard has three DFX94's (tweaked for 5-6 second delay time -- at the expense of a little aliasing at the higher times -- and runaway regeneration at the max regen setting) arranged in three separate loops, each loop having an additional delay or other processor for mangling the sound (right now I have a PDS 20/20 and a Boss PS-3 in two of the loops, and am auditioning a Pefftronics SB-101 Rand-O-Matic, a Danelectro Tuna Melt Tremelo, and a DOD FX13 Gonkulator Modulator -- with modifications for changing the oscillator frequency -- in the third loop). I may substitute a PDS8000 for one of the DFX94's. Each loop will run through a custom 4x4 mixer (under construction) which will combine the input and the contents of the various loops in assorted nasty ways. The rack currently contains a DeltaLab ADM4096 Echotron, an RDS 7.6 and an RDS8000, with cabling running to a box (also under construction) which makes the back audio and control connections accessible from the front. I just acquired a Vortex from Music-Go-Round, so that may replace the RDS8000 (I think I'm going to want the greater control flexibility of the 7.6 at the expense of the greater fidelity of the 8000). Feeding this whole mess will be any combination of inputs from my trumpet (Barcus Berry mouthpiece pickup into myriad processing gear) or my Crumar Steiner EVI or Akai EWI, or some DIY synth modules, probably fed through a Space Station and some EQ for additional strangeness. My neighbors would quake with fear if they knew. Back to the lurkers' murk.... BTW, it's very easy to mod the DFX94 to bring delay control to a pedal (or even voltage control). There's also a way to make the modes footswitchable (I have the circuit worked out, but haven't built it yet). One of my six DFX94's has been modded with three extra jacks, one in parallel with the footswitch, one to bring the delay control out to a pedal, and the third to interface with the yet-to-be-built mode controller. Paul Camann From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 22:14:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26649; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:12:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:12:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E51D9F.D0080E06@best.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:10:39 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, dennis@mdbs.com Subject: Re: Noises through pickups References: <00d601c033a4$02ea8170$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <39E4A380.511DB166@best.com> <011001c033ba$69aaaaa0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <019701c033c1$e13956f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1CrP-.A.PgG.x3R55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis: Where do you order your bowls? The few web sites I've found all have astronomical prices, like $US200 for an 8" bowl on up to $US1,000 for 14" guarantied to match your personal 4th chaulkra(R) and is feng suey(tm) correct. Seems pretty outrageous for a quartz or bronze bowl. I'm don't need one blessed by the Daily Llama, just one (or six) that sing. :-) -Allan Dennis Leas wrote: > > > Holy Cow, batman, are all of those singing bowls yours? > > Nope, not all of them (shucks), but a good number are. I got a bunch of > folk to order bowls. When the bowls arrived I took the opportunity to take > a picture. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 23:17:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27732; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:16:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:16:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001012031604.7736.qmail@web1106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:16:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Martin Subject: Loop dynamics in performance To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >In particular, I'm interested in learning how to >control the >effects/dynamics of concurrently-playing layers of a >loop. For instance, >we have figure A and figure B playing over drone D. >What mechanisms do you >employ to alter A while not B or D? To remove B? To >bring it back? I'm really glad you asked this - I'm very curious to hear everyone else's responses! =) In my own setup, it's pretty easy to alter one loop or the other. Once the Boomerang's loop has been set, new material is not added until you press the STACK button, so I can play as much as I want without affecting the loop contents. With the RDS, I have a footswitch plugged in to control the Infinite Hold function, so I can open and close the loop at will. Bringing loops in and out is variably difficult depending on which loop it is. I prefer to have as much control as possible by foot, keeping my hands on the guitar. The Boomerang has a foot roller that controls the output level of the loop through the main output, so I can fade loops in and out as I please. The roller does not control the level at the aux out, but since I have a volume pedal inserted between that output and the Digitech S100, I can fade that in and out as well. This also lets me do fun things like continuously adjust the ratio of dry:effected signal while I'm playing. To change the volume of the RDS loop, I have to take my hands off the guitar (boo!) and tweak it at the mixer (I prefer to leave the input and output level knobs on the unit set where they are). I could also open the loop with the footswitch and let it decay to silence (provided I don't play anything in the meantime); the maximum feedback setting on the unit still fades out fairly rapidly with a 1-2 sec loop. If I have both units going simultaneously, I usually end a piece by fading out the 'Rang with its roller, and then opening the loop on the RDS and waiting for it to decay. Using a looper which is capable of switching between multiple loops would open up a whole 'nother cauldron of icthyoids, but I'd better let the experienced folk comment on that. =) In addition, the EDP is capable of much more extensive manipulation of loops: replacing material instead of overdubbing, multiplying short loops and then overdubbing longer phrases on top, etc. Hope this info helps! Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 00:31:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28869; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:30:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:30:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <019701c033c1$e13956f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <00d601c033a4$02ea8170$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <39E4A380.511DB166@best.com> <011001c033ba$69aaaaa0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <019701c033c1$e13956f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 02:32:38 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Noises through pickups (rather gongs...) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0l7wkD.A.3CH._4T55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com interesting how the subject changed, no? Since you are one that orders and distributes those marvelous things... Is it true that they make a lot more than end up sounding decently? I feel that mine is hollow... is it? completely? partly? How do they do that? > > Holy Cow, batman, are all of those singing bowls yours? > >Nope, not all of them (shucks), but a good number are. I got a bunch of >folk to order bowls. When the bowls arrived I took the opportunity to take >a picture. :) > >> ...i've noticed that >> the patterns that develop are strikingly similar to alot of pics i've >> seen of mandalas/fractal/golden curve images. me like. > >Yes! Very nice. Somebody should try a clear glass bowl and project the >image. > >> ps. dennis, have you tried setting a large bowl on the ground (on a >> little bean bag or something), putting some water in it, and floating >> a smaller bowl in it and then playing? > >I haven't tried this. Thanks for the tip! > >Dennis Leas >------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 00:37:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29023; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:36:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:36:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.168.4.126] User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:35:47 -0700 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #335 From: Frank Mabee To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200010111926.PAA18006@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3054144947_275838_MIME_Part" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2000 04:35:49.0440 (UTC) FILETIME=[E5642400:01C03405] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3054144947_275838_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I think he takes a second output from a volume pedal so that the guitar signal still goes through to his amplifier. ** hey. i don't think that nels does the second output thing - - or better put, when i've played with him, i'm pretty sure that he hasn't. however, he does like to use toy rayguns and such. stig you're probably right. when i saw him using the smokey amp back into the pickups, i tried to visually trace where the cords were going, but... frank --MS_Mac_OE_3054144947_275838_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #335

I think he takes a second output from a volume pedal so that the guita= r signal still goes through to his amplifier.

** hey. i don't think that nels does the second output thing - -= or better put, when i've played with him, i'm pretty sure that he hasn't. h= owever, he does like to use toy rayguns and such.

stig

you're probably right.  when i saw him using the smokey amp back i= nto the pickups, i tried to visually trace where the cords were going, but..=

frank
--MS_Mac_OE_3054144947_275838_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 06:25:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA31786; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 06:24:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 06:24:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E5233C.1C75@altruistmusic.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 03:34:37 +0100 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@altruistmusic.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Interview & The Infamous Guitar-Loop Paradigm References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello list, I've been debating over whether or not it was appropriate to make a post about this to Looper's Delight, but after seeing the LONG threads on pickup noise and performance setups, I actually think it's a very valid issue. So bear with me for a second. First off: An interview I recently did has now gone live at None For You Dear (http://www.noneforyoudear.com), a music-oriented web site that features interviews and reviews (as well as some non-musical content as well). The "cover story" right now is actually an interview with Reeves Gabrels conducted by Mike Keneally, and Reeves goes into much detail talking about the origin of his penchant for textural sounds (much interesting content for you pickup noise-mongers out there). There's a spot in my own interview where I actually make mention of this very mailing list, and on the impact it had in shaping some of my attitudes about looping, and more specifically the whole "ambient e-bow guitar looping" paradigm in general. Now here's the rub: upon re-reading my comments, I started wondering if perhaps I hadn't adequately expressed my viewpoints in the interview as being specific to four years ago (which is when this list started up), and if my attitude towards looping was in danger of being a bit out of touch. Then again, after seeing all the guitar-centric talk on the list over the last couple of days, I can't help but think it's still very much a valid issue. I certainly don't intend to cast aspersions on anyone here, guitarist or otherwise. My main purpose in posting this is to see if people think that "looping" as a technique/practiced art form/what-have-you has actually changed significantly within the last four years, particularly in terms of the whole "guitar loop" thing. What do you think? I'd really be interested in hearing any opinions. For those so inclined, the looping comments in my own interview at None For You Dear are towards the middle of transcript, in between talk about the state of independent music and playing Rock & Roll in post-communist Russia. Andre LaFosse | Disruption Theory | http://www.altruistmusic.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ---->"Andre LaFosse is an astonishing guitarist of a very different ilk. Fripp and Zappa, step aside." (MOJO magazine, May 2000) ---->"For electric guitar enthusiasts everywhere, this one's essential." (Alternative Press magazine, September 2000) ---->"Disruption Theory is one of the best guitar albums I've ever heard." (Outburn magazine #12) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 08:43:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00641; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:42:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:42:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:41:25 EDT Subject: OT: Re: Noises through pickups To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I've heard in divers places about adding sonic >material to loops by playing various things through >the pickups of a guitar - vibrators, cordless drills, >etc. My particular interest is in using cassette >players; I know that Torn sensei does some of this, >and I think others on the list have mentioned it. >Anyone care to share experiences, techniques, caveats >in this area? heyhey. been singing into my pickups for a longlong time--- think i re-started that in '87, after a few years hiatus--- but around '93, after i saw this rockin' band in minneapolis, 'saucer' --- who split their playing-time twixt 'real' instruments & kids' toys--- i began employing the microcassette-machines that matt chamberlain & wes martin had turned me onto, a few years previous. microcassette (w/fast forward, fast rewind, pitchcontrols) is a great tool; ye can work the transport & pitchcontrols as performance-elements, sweep the 'speaker' across the pickups for a rhythmic-effect, loop/affect any of it, etc..... however, i dedicate my right hand to this function, so some more-'normal' instrumentalists might not respond to theseall techniques. anyway, the machines are cheap, too! (.....radios can be fun, also.) i used a 'vibrator', a few times in the early 80's, but..... ummm..... didn't get so much musicality from that; 'twas fun to see the front-row's reaction, though. also: 'personal fans' can be kinda nice, both sonically &, add'ly as a mechanised-pick/'stringdriver'. best, dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL In stores & online NOW (artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, etc) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD / vinyl; 65 minute EP--- remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) On CeLLDiviSioN/75Ark: http://www.75ark.com SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 09:19:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01249; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:19:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:19:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <22.c59e74c.271713ef@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:17:35 EDT Subject: Re: Noises through pickups To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <8AROGB.A.KT.Yob55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Singing bowls are traditional brass bowls from I forget what asian country- that would be tibet, methinks. best, d / s-c In stores & online NOW (artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, etc) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD / vinyl; 65 minute EP--- remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) On CeLLDiviSioN/75Ark: http://www.75ark.com SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 09:28:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01501; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:27:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:27:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <68.817c4b5.27171601@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:26:25 EDT Subject: Re: Performance setup To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <3JyWH.A.GX.lwb55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com scott, thanks for recommending my work. for yer further info: SPLaTTeRCeLL is definitely *NOT* a duo w/my good friend, will calhoun: far from it, it is a *'solo'* project, w/help from many friends..... best, dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL In stores & online NOW (artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, etc) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD / vinyl; 65 minute EP--- remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) On CeLLDiviSioN/75Ark: http://www.75ark.com SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn >Loop music recommendations: You've got Frisell >covered, apparently. I highly recommend David Torn's >work (my personal introduction to looping), >particularly _What Means Solid, Traveler?_ and the new >Splattercell disc (DT's duo with ex-Living Colour >drummer Will Calhoun). 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sale @ michaelwhalen.com --MS_Mac_OE_3054190172_9259102_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 10:34:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03523; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:33:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:33:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c03458$b48eaeb0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <00d601c033a4$02ea8170$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <39E4A380.511DB166@best.com> <011001c033ba$69aaaaa0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <019701c033c1$e13956f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <39E51D9F.D0080E06@best.com> Subject: Re: Noises through pickups (rather gongs...) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:28:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Allan and Matthias! > ... Seems pretty outrageous for a quartz or bronze bowl. I agree. I think it's related to the whole "exotic" new-age thang. This is who I order from. These are GREAT folks: http://www.fareasthandicrafts.com/index.html . Check out their "Projects" link. They have good prices and quality bowls. They travel to Nepal, etc. at least once a year and personally meet with the bowl makers. I have ordered a number of times from them, though it's been over a year since my last order. I've always ordered as a wholesaler (tax id number and all) so I don't know if they sell retail. This may be a problem for individuals. If you talk to them, tell them I said "Hello!" They'll probably remember me. I think Lafayette, Indiana became "Singing Bowl Capital of the Midwest" due to my many orders. > Is it true that they make a lot more than end up sounding decently? That's my understanding. It's alot like hand hammered cymbals, each one is unique. I've certainly heard/played great ones and poor. > I feel that mine is hollow... is it? completely? partly? It seems quite an individual choice. It's hard to find a "bowl palace" where you can try a whole lot of different ones until you find those that speak to you. > How do they do that? Good question! I find the sound three-dimensional. When a bowl really cuts loose and sings loudly, it's like the sound surrounds you, coming from all directions. Looping a bowl in mono isn't nearly the same. Using a stereo pair of EDPs is much better. One of these days, I'm going to set up four mics, configure a quad looper in Kyma, and try looping a bowl in quad. I haven't found much literature on singing bowls. This book seems the best: "Singing Bowls" by Eva Rudy Jansen ISBN: 9074597017 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/9074597017/qid=971360676/sr=1-3/104-6 135080-9481556 Oooommmmm...... Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 10:36:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03605; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:35:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:35:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001012143434.2630.qmail@web1104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:34:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Martin Subject: Re: the Infamous Guitar-Loop Paradigm To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I certainly don't intend to cast aspersions on anyone >here, guitarist or >otherwise. My main purpose in posting this is to see >if people think >that "looping" as a technique/practiced art form/what->have-you has >actually changed significantly within the last four >years, particularly >in terms of the whole "guitar loop" thing. What do >you think? Andre, It's interesting to hear this from my perspective, 'cause I didn't get into loop music myself until about four years ago, and it WASN'T the ambient-ebow-rubato thing. I picked up a David Torn album after reading his article and lesson in Guitar Player, and so immediately started associating loop music with these funky rhythms and cool riffs. In fact, the only albums by Loop Professors that I own even now are a buncha DT's discs and Robby Aceto's solo album. Not an ambient one in the bunch - not even a Fripp CD! (Will the rioting villagers please extinguish their torches....) As far as whether the "genre" as such has changed in the last four years, I'm finding it difficult to think of it as a genre at all, in the way that you could point to the evolution of metal from Black Sabbath to Metallica to Korn or something like that. Loop music, to me, has always been defined in terms of equipment/technique rather than sonic results - these are the people who use loopers. They sound like, well, themselves: an amalgamation of influences and original ideas in varying proportions. Before the advent of the Internet, when the most visible guitar looping music was Fripp's soundscaping, it might have been possible to say that Guitar Looping was an Ambient Thing, as most of the folks doing it had heard and been heavily influenced by Senor Fripp, and, well, gee, who else was doing it? Over the last four years, we've had a lot of new exponents coming forth with their music (in this forum particularly), and this has cross-fertilized the loop community to produce Neat New Ideas and, perhaps as a side product, taken us further away from the Ambient Thing. So the sound of the individual Loop Professors has changed (the distance between Torn's _WMS,T?_ and the Splattercell disc, for example), but I'm not certain that we can equate that with a shift in the Guitar-Loop Paradigm, if there is one. (This sentence is a relation which relates itself to itself...ack! too much philosophizing during vacation!) Cool interview, BTW! Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 11:44:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06743; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:42:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:42:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.189.148.4] From: "K. Michael Odnaloc" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Music Yo and the cheap/inexpensive guitars Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:41:18 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2000 15:41:18.0795 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD2431B0:01C03462] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, I was wondering if any of you had tried any of the Kramer guitars from MusicYo? I was thinking of getting one of the $69 strat copies and making some modifications and I was just curious if it would be worth it (is the guitar good enough to warrant putting the time and money into). Thanks in advance Kevin _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 12:39:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07874; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:38:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:38:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:37:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: New Interview & The Infamous Guitar-Loop Paradigm Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6EOIXB.A.l1B.gje55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >I certainly don't intend to cast aspersions on anyone here, guitarist or >otherwise. My main purpose in posting this is to see if people think >that "looping" as a technique/practiced art form/what-have-you has >actually changed significantly within the last four years, particularly >in terms of the whole "guitar loop" thing. What do you think? Cool article, Andre... I think what you said to the interviewer could IMO be taken as a mild stab at the ambient/loop/drone crowd. Like, "Andre sees a subgenre or cliche and decides to NOT do that...". Does that make sense? For me, though, that's just an integral part of what i do, so i don't really take any offense. It's part of the uniqueness of 'my song' or 'my voice', even though there are others out there doing it. You're kind of in the same boat, by being a big fan of Satriani and Vai. There were and are tons of people who like and emulate those guys (me definitely NOT being one of them). How do you decide to dinstinguish yourself from the crowd? By deliberately altering your style to not sound like them, or just playing 'your song' and not worrying about it? Even though there are similarities through the body of my work, i think that my looping has come a long way from my first hands-on experience with it in '87 (two ghetto blasters, a couple of mic's, a digitech pds8000, a friend, a couple tabs of LSD, and a very long evening), especially in the last four years. I think i've moved away from being satisfied to listening to thick layers of noise and being jovial at the alienating quality of it, and desire to really draw the audience in and create some sort of positive experience or even 'sacred space', if you will (the pretentious meter just clipped...dammit). The fact that i continue to use washy drones and ambient textures to accomplish that is just my thing i guess. Steve Vai is still wanking away in my book. But that's just his thing, i guess. i don't think i got enough sleep last night. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 12:54:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09886; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:53:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:53:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E66A1A.55D7DACD@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:49:14 -0700 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Music Yo and the cheap/inexpensive guitars References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <98VVYD.A.YZC.Nwe55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "K. Michael Odnaloc" wrote: > > Hi there, > > I was wondering if any of you had tried any of the Kramer guitars from > MusicYo? I was thinking of getting one of the $69 strat copies and making > some modifications and I was just curious if it would be worth it (is the > guitar good enough to warrant putting the time and money into). > > Thanks in advance > > Kevin Kevin sorry to interrupt but this is not a guitar list and even if it is populated by a lot of noodlers (me too) we should try to avoid "Out of Looping" subjects to keep our other instrument members interested we need their expertise and experiences with Looping to develop looping among all musicians see Andre's post "New Interview & The Infamous Guitar-Loop Paradigm" there are hundreds of Guitar mailing lists on the net that can comment those six strings topics Please this is not an agression neither an exclusion just a 0.1 cent wish Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 12:56:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09979; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:55:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:55:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7785892C3084D411B37B00D0B788C76613479F@mail.ghgroup.com> From: "Morrison, Roger" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: New Interview & The Infamous Guitar-Loop Paradigm Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:56:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0346C.6AC48430" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0346C.6AC48430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Thanks, Andre, for pointing us to your interview and the Reeves Gabrels interview. It seems Mr Gabrels has trumped all previous ideas of what to use to drive your guitar pickups: a refrigerator! Why didn't *I* think of that? Now we guitarists will be able to sympathize with all those keyboard players who drag B3s to gigs. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0346C.6AC48430 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: New Interview & The Infamous Guitar-Loop = Paradigm

Thanks, Andre, for pointing = us to your interview and the Reeves Gabrels interview.  It seems = Mr Gabrels has trumped all previous ideas of what to use to drive your = guitar pickups: a refrigerator! Why didn't *I* think of that? Now we = guitarists will be able to sympathize with all those keyboard players = who drag B3s to gigs.


------_=_NextPart_001_01C0346C.6AC48430-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 13:20:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10337; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:19:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:19:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mike Yurick Subject: Re: Beat machine Reply-To: myurick@nexicom.net Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:19:03 GMT X-Sender: myurick@nexicom.net X-Originating-Host: 142.143.173.210 [142.143.173.210]; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:19:03 GMT X-Mailer: Mailreader.com v2.3.19 (2000-7-10) X-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; EDS4MCSS; DigExt), JavaScript: Off Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3-cT2C.A.UhC.lJf55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You should check out www.mixman.com This is a really cool little program that might be what you are looking for. take care & have fun, Mike Yurick At Wednesday, 11 October 2000, you wrote: >Does anyone know if there is a program or software that can turn your >computer keyboard into a beat machine?? Someone told me about one recently >but I am skeptical. If you have any info on such a program please help me >out. > =================================================================== EASY access to your email anywhere: Nexicom WebMail =================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 13:32:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10569; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:31:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:31:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.189.148.4] From: "K. Michael Odnaloc" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Music Yo and the cheap/inexpensive guitars Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:30:04 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2000 17:30:04.0319 (UTC) FILETIME=[0EA822F0:01C03472] Resent-Message-ID: <_rJmJD.A.ukC.5Uf55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My apologies, this question does actually have some looping relevance (no, really). I've been on the list for a while using another address (kevin@minds-eye.org) and there have been discussions of the sustainiac pickups (Ebows and looping anyone?). I was considering putting these pickups in one of these guitars and since there are people on this list using said pickups, I thought I'd ask if it was a poor idea (great pickups, lousy instrument type thing). Again, my apologies to non-guitarists who have no desire to read instrument specific queries. Kevin (at minds-eye or hotmail) >From: Claude Voit >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Music Yo and the cheap/inexpensive guitars >Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:49:14 -0700 > >"K. Michael Odnaloc" wrote: > > > > Hi there, > > > > I was wondering if any of you had tried any of the Kramer guitars from > > MusicYo? I was thinking of getting one of the $69 strat copies and >making > > some modifications and I was just curious if it would be worth it (is >the > > guitar good enough to warrant putting the time and money into). > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Kevin > >Kevin > >sorry to interrupt but this is not a guitar list and even if it is >populated by a lot of noodlers >(me too) we should try to avoid "Out of Looping" subjects to keep our >other instrument members interested >we need their expertise and experiences with Looping to develop looping >among all musicians >see Andre's post "New Interview & The Infamous Guitar-Loop Paradigm" > >there are hundreds of Guitar mailing lists on the net that can comment >those six strings topics > >Please this is not an agression neither an exclusion just a 0.1 cent >wish > >Claude > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 13:47:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10875; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:46:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:46:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200010121745.KAA24972@proxy4.ba.best.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:49:56 -0700 Subject: Gongs! - was Re: Noises through pickups (rather gongs...) From: "Allan Hoeltje" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis, Thank you very much for the info! These are still pricy but they are less than the others I've seen. (I just want great sonic devices, not buy my way into heaven. :-) I will give fareast a call and see if I qualify as a mere mortal. If not, how about a Big Loopers Delight Gong Group Buy?!! -Allan |:om:| From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 14:18:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11432; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:16:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:16:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E5FFD8.F2C0BE65@hoover-keith.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:15:52 -0500 From: "Ryan D. Supak" X-Sender: "Ryan D. Supak" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: to whom it concerns, or not References: <20001012143434.2630.qmail@web1104.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i got the new sp-808 operating system and installed it a few months back. i just realised the sp-808 with the newest OS meets "true looper" criteria, in that you can add audio to a loop without stopping playback. (for anyone who owns one and cares, combine pad-to-track mode with the synth preset called "sound on sound". put fx patch in "send/return" mode.) it looks to have quite a few subtle intricacies to it, but i really haven't had a chance to plod through it all yet because of midterms and too many office hours. 8< r.s. (np: OST - Vanishing Point) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 14:36:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11775; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:35:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:35:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001012183456.16737.qmail@web1106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:34:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Martin Subject: Torn correction (was Re: Performance setup) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com prior to this, DT sez: >for yer further info: >SPLaTTeRCeLL is definitely *NOT* a duo w/my good >friend, will calhoun: >far from it, it is a *'solo'* project, w/help from >many friends..... Whoops! I stand corrected - I have to admit here to not actually owning the Splattercell disc yet (money woes), and therefore drawing my conclusions from the online samples and the performance footage of DT w/ WC as Splattercell from the Knitting Factory website. Open mouth, insert foot, close mouth, masticate thoroughly. Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 14:44:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12271; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:43:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:43:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006a01c0347d$371a4a00$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Noises through pickups Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:49:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am assuming the L.A. Knitting Factory gig has been cancelled? Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Texture444@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 6:20 AM Subject: Re: Noises through pickups >>Singing bowls are traditional brass bowls from I forget what asian country- >that would be tibet, methinks. >best, >d / s-c > >In stores & online NOW (artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, etc) >SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) > >SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH >(CD / vinyl; 65 minute EP--- remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi >Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, >Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l >SPLaTTeRCeLL track) > >On CeLLDiviSioN/75Ark: http://www.75ark.com > >SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah >Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf >List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 14:59:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12922; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:57:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:57:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E60AAA.9C619802@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:02:32 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP's sighted/not heard & tibetan bowls References: <20001001154113.2204.qmail@web6304.mail.yahoo.com> <007401c02bd3$e263a990$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7J1jBD.A.sJD.-lg55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com gig report: caught the mermen (with bruce licher's band scenic) at the hollywood knitting factory last night. both jim thomas and bassist jennifer (last name not known by me...) had edp's in their (not insubstantial) rigs. the only looping i heard (topic-friendly note) was through jim's signal chain at just a few points; but i didn't notice any flickering of the edp's display all evening. i asked him after the show (which was great nonetheless- he is amazing at what he does) if he used the 'plex at all & he insisted he did, but maybe only for a few moments...he seemed to be controlling everything from a *ground control* unit, so i'm not sure how much he was able to do with the edp anyway... his tone is quite pristine & beautiful, tho it travels through tons of circuit before it hits the amps... -lance g. ps sorry claude for the guitar-heavy post. :-) pps there's a source for tibetan singing bowls here in southern california for anyone interested: claremont folk music center has them (priced from US $60 - $100), as well as a bunch of other fine stuff. ph 909.624.2928 / www.folkmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 15:05:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13485; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:04:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:04:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E60C24.536B5860@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:08:51 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: R: Performance setup References: <001b01c033c8$96907820$a283abd4@a6d4z2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Luca wrote: > I use this, but I dream to make it lighter: > Gtr to: Advance Missing Link (tube mixer) "AML" > AML send A to: Eventide 4000 then to Boss Vf-1 then back to AML return A > AML send B to: Digitech 2101 then back to AML return B > AML stereo out to splitter: stereo out to mixer; stereo out to Jam Man; > stereo out to EDP. > Jam Man to mixer > EDP to mixer > > I hope to make Switch Blade Revolution soon. > > Luca luca, i'm not familiar w/ the AML tube mixer. any links in re to check out? best, lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 15:30:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14028; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:29:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:29:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E6122B.E6F15591@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:34:42 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: tibetan bowls (correction) References: <20001001154113.2204.qmail@web6304.mail.yahoo.com> <007401c02bd3$e263a990$080210ac@jpalmer> <39E60AAA.9C619802@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i wrote: > pps there's a source for tibetan singing bowls here in southern > california for anyone interested: claremont folk music center has them > (priced from US $60 - $100), as well as a bunch of other fine stuff. ph > 909.624.2928 / www.folkmusic.com the correct url for the claremont folk music center is: www.folkmusiccenter.com sorry all for the mis info... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 17:27:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17712; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:26:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:26:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <69.ba053b9.27178632@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:25:06 EDT Subject: OT:plane, in la / was: Noises through pickups To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com cliff, >I am assuming the L.A. Knitting Factory gig has been cancelled? yeah, i posted that a while back, methinks. sorry ifya missed it. best, d / s-c In stores & online NOW (artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, etc) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD / vinyl; 65 minute EP--- remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) On CeLLDiviSioN/75Ark: http://www.75ark.com SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 17:32:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18002; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:31:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:31:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <49.1fdbf9b.2717875f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:30:07 EDT Subject: Re: Torn correction (was Re: Performance setup) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sm, >Whoops! I stand corrected - I have to admit here to >not actually owning the Splattercell disc yet (money >woes), and therefore drawing my conclusions from the >online samples and the performance footage of DT w/ WC >as Splattercell from the Knitting Factory website. >Open mouth, insert foot, close mouth, masticate >thoroughly. no big deal..... just letting ya know. i stopped calling the duo w/will by the 'splaTT.'-moniker, when it became clear that that project was gonna develop a life of it's very own..... now, the duo's gonna be called 'lovebubble'. (there's a pretty cool CD, waiting upon release..... someday, when we grow up). 8-) best, d / s-c In stores & online NOW (artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, etc) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD / vinyl; 65 minute EP--- remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) On CeLLDiviSioN/75Ark: http://www.75ark.com SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 18:12:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18827; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:11:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:11:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c03499$38fcb4e0$bd83abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: "Loop" Subject: performance setup (missing link) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:10:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C034A9.FAD11E20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <8uYkSD.A._lE.Rbj55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C034A9.FAD11E20 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0006_01C034A9.FADA45E0" ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C034A9.FADA45E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lance, this is the link to the Missing Link, these guys are friends, so if you need infos tell them you know me. 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Lance, this is the link to the Missing=20 Link,
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Bye,
Luca

 http://www.advancetube= tech.com/tmleng.htm ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C034A9.FADA45E0-- ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C034A9.FAD11E20 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Untitled Document.url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Untitled Document.url" [DEFAULT] BASEURL=http://www.advancetubetech.com/tmleng.htm [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.advancetubetech.com/tmleng.htm Modified=C0CCFBE29834C001F6 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C034A9.FAD11E20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 18:16:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18971; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:14:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:14:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c03499$c3f492c0$bd83abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: References: Subject: R: Music Yo and the cheap/inexpensive guitars Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:14:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think that, if you consider the Sustainac Hardware's cost, installation, plus the cost of a cheap gtr, you go very close to the price of a Fernandes with sustainer (Sustainac licence). Luca ----- Original Message ----- From: K. Michael Odnaloc To: Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 7:30 PM Subject: Re: Music Yo and the cheap/inexpensive guitars > My apologies, this question does actually have some looping relevance (no, > really). I've been on the list for a while using another address > (kevin@minds-eye.org) and there have been discussions of the sustainiac > pickups (Ebows and looping anyone?). I was considering putting these > pickups in one of these guitars and since there are people on this list > using said pickups, I thought I'd ask if it was a poor idea (great pickups, > lousy instrument type thing). > > Again, my apologies to non-guitarists who have no desire to read instrument > specific queries. > > Kevin (at minds-eye or hotmail) > > >From: Claude Voit > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: Music Yo and the cheap/inexpensive guitars > >Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:49:14 -0700 > > > >"K. Michael Odnaloc" wrote: > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > I was wondering if any of you had tried any of the Kramer guitars from > > > MusicYo? I was thinking of getting one of the $69 strat copies and > >making > > > some modifications and I was just curious if it would be worth it (is > >the > > > guitar good enough to warrant putting the time and money into). > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > Kevin > > > >Kevin > > > >sorry to interrupt but this is not a guitar list and even if it is > >populated by a lot of noodlers > >(me too) we should try to avoid "Out of Looping" subjects to keep our > >other instrument members interested > >we need their expertise and experiences with Looping to develop looping > >among all musicians > >see Andre's post "New Interview & The Infamous Guitar-Loop Paradigm" > > > >there are hundreds of Guitar mailing lists on the net that can comment > >those six strings topics > > > >Please this is not an agression neither an exclusion just a 0.1 cent > >wish > > > >Claude > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 18:24:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19253; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:23:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:23:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E63AE1.F2E93EC3@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:28:56 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: performance setup (missing link) References: <000901c03499$38fcb4e0$bd83abd4@a6d4z2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Luca wrote: > Lance, this is the link to the Missing Link,these guys are friends, so > if you need infos tell them you know me. Bye,Luca > > > http://www.advancetubetech.com/tmleng.htm looks cool! thanks, luca. lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 19:43:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21221; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:42:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:42:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001012193624.007ba510@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:36:24 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: bowling In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <7Vdv4C.A.XLF.Fxk55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another source for Tibetan singing bowls for any of you who're up here in the Northeastern US would be from Equinox World Music in Portsmouth, NH and just to keep this on-topic, one of the guys who runs the place loops his didg and percussion with a Boomerang; he also keeps several in stock! Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 21:35:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23034; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:34:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:34:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <6b.aded49e.2717c058@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:33:12 EDT Subject: Re: OT:plane, in la / was: Noises through pickups To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/12/00 7:25:57 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, Texture444@aol.com writes: << d / s-c >> david...........are you morphing into "d / s-c"..........just wondering?..........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 22:47:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24742; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:45:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:45:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E675DC.16225B73@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:39:24 -0700 From: Rick Walker Organization: Loop.pooL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: dildos and personal fans Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com  
david wrote:

i used a 'vibrator', a few times in the early 80's, but..... ummm..... didn't
get so much musicality from that; 'twas fun to see the front-row's reaction,
though. also: 'personal fans' can be kinda nice, both sonically &, add'ly as a
mechanised-pick/'stringdriver'.
best,
dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL
 

I'm not a guitarist (although I use one in my live looping shows), I'm a texturalist and found sound aficianado who comes from a rhytmic background (world percussion and trapset originally).   I just wanted to say that I use variable speed dildos
to control simple melodies through pickups (and sometimes just through regular microphones). You usually can get a very simple two or three note melody out of one.
I recently did a local cable access television show where I played 28 minutes of music without using one conventional insturment (well, I used a balines suling once) and my wife at the last moment talked me out of doing a looping piece only using dildos.......family values and all)
    I also use personal fans in a piece of music called DAYGLO TRANSLUCENT LIME GREEN PLASTIC as one of the rhythmic elements. If you blow burst of air through the fan onto a mic you can get very techno sounding timbre going, rhytmically which can get pretty sophisticated if you use several fans with different 'fundamental' pitches.
I also use several sometimes as different pitched drones. It is particularly great when batteries are just about out of poop because the oscillations are slower and , if you are lucky, you can hear the modulation of the individual blades.  This, alas, does, not work through pickups.
Another fun 'preparation' of the guitar I've experimented with (outside of the de riguer alligator clips, knives and forks) is taking one of those large steel chinese therapeutic balls (you know, the ones in the import stores that have beautiful random chimes in them.
and roll them down the strings forwards or away from the pick ups.   I found these great blue plastic martini skewers with small round balls at the end which I use to play the strings directly over the pickups while the ball rolls.........kind of a slide, fretless gamelan kind of thing.........all of this loops wonderfully (he says, bringing it all back to the topic ; - )
stay  creative,   Rick (humbly AKA  Loop.pooL) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 23:18:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25510; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:17:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:17:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 04:16:49 +0100 Subject: Re: R: Music Yo and the cheap/inexpensive guitars From: "Martin Shellard" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There are a a lot of Fernandes sustainer guitars on e-bay, I bought a retrorocket with sustainer for $400. This seems to be the going rate for them, it's a solid guitar, pretty good quality for the money and the sustainer works great out of the box. There is one on there at the moment. Martin Shellard ---------- >From: "Luca" >To: >Subject: R: Music Yo and the cheap/inexpensive guitars >Date: Thu, Oct 12, 2000, 11:14 pm > > I think that, if you consider the Sustainac Hardware's cost, installation, > plus the cost of a cheap gtr, you go very close to the price of a Fernandes > with sustainer (Sustainac licence). > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 13 00:03:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26189; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:03:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:03:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.32.20001012235059.0068e038@total.net> X-Sender: chleduc@total.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:51:05 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Christian Leduc Subject: Re: R: Music Yo and the cheap/inexpensive guitars Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <7WvSpC.A.8YG.tko55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a Sustainiac, the new model (Stealth +).. I think it's great... When the sustainer is off, I've got a humbucker active pickup in the neck.. And I've got four modes (Fundamental, Harmonic, Mix, Mix enhanced)... It was a little expansive but not that much... And I think it doesn't eat the batteries at the same rythm (like the Fernandes, old sustainiac models)... but I'm not sure about that.... Personnally, I never like very much the Fernandes models (except the Revolver Pro)... With the +, I was not afraid to put it on my strat since you don't lose your neck pickup anymore. Great little toy.. At 04:16 00-10-13 +0100, you wrote: >There are a a lot of Fernandes sustainer guitars on e-bay, I bought a >retrorocket with sustainer for $400. This seems to be the going rate for >them, it's a solid guitar, pretty good quality for the money and the >sustainer works great out of the box. >There is one on there at the moment. > >Martin Shellard > > >---------- >>From: "Luca" >>To: >>Subject: R: Music Yo and the cheap/inexpensive guitars >>Date: Thu, Oct 12, 2000, 11:14 pm >> > >> I think that, if you consider the Sustainac Hardware's cost, installation, >> plus the cost of a cheap gtr, you go very close to the price of a Fernandes >> with sustainer (Sustainac licence). >> > > > Christian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 13 06:59:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA30163; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 06:57:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 06:57:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <54.a86c0d5.27184435@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 06:55:49 EDT Subject: Re: OT:plane, in la / was: Noises through pickups To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <-P93_C.A.HXH.bpu55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: >are you morphing into "d / s-c"..........just >wondering? yes. and why not? here i go! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 13 07:02:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30251; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:01:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:01:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <11.a55d2d4.27184546@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:00:22 EDT Subject: Re: re: dildos and personal fans To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: >If you blow burst of air through the fan onto a mic you can get very techno >sounding timbre going, rhytmically which can get pretty sophisticated if >you use several fans with different 'fundamental' pitches. very nice: thanks! d / SPLaTTeRCeLL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 13 10:39:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32284; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:38:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:38:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:34:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: dildos and personal fans In-Reply-To: <39E675DC.16225B73@cruzio.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com for christmas, try the norelco personal cordless shaver. no kidding. a:c On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Rick Walker wrote: > > david wrote: > > i used a 'vibrator', a few times in the early 80's, but..... ummm..... > didn't > get so much musicality from that; 'twas fun to see the front-row's > reaction, > though. also: 'personal fans' can be kinda nice, both sonically &, add'ly > as a > mechanised-pick/'stringdriver'. > best, > dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL > > > I'm not a guitarist (although I use one in my live looping shows), I'm a > texturalist and found sound aficianado who comes from a rhytmic > background (world percussion and trapset originally). I just wanted to > say that I use variable speed dildos > to control simple melodies through pickups (and sometimes just through > regular microphones). You usually can get a very simple two or three note > melody out of one. > I recently did a local cable access television show where I played 28 > minutes of music without using one conventional insturment (well, I used > a balines suling once) and my wife at the last moment talked me out of > doing a looping piece only using dildos.......family values and all) > I also use personal fans in a piece of music called DAYGLO > TRANSLUCENT LIME GREEN PLASTIC as one of the rhythmic elements. If you > blow burst of air through the fan onto a mic you can get very techno > sounding timbre going, rhytmically which can get pretty sophisticated if > you use several fans with different 'fundamental' pitches. > I also use several sometimes as different pitched drones. It is > particularly great when batteries are just about out of poop because the > oscillations are slower and , if you are lucky, you can hear the > modulation of the individual blades. This, alas, does, not work through > pickups. > Another fun 'preparation' of the guitar I've experimented with (outside > of the de riguer alligator clips, knives and forks) is taking one of > those large steel chinese therapeutic balls (you know, the ones in the > import stores that have beautiful random chimes in them. > and roll them down the strings forwards or away from the pick ups. I > found these great blue plastic martini skewers with small round balls at > the end which I use to play the strings directly over the pickups while > the ball rolls.........kind of a slide, fretless gamelan kind of > thing.........all of this loops wonderfully (he says, bringing it all > back to the topic ; - ) > stay creative, Rick (humbly AKA Loop.pooL) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 13 17:35:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05925; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:33:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:33:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E77EEA.1ADE906D@best.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:30:18 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: Noises through pickups (rather gongs...) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com First, let me apologize if I've been dragging this bowl thread on too long. Personally, I've found the discussion to be very interesting and relevant to Looper business. If it hasn't been resonating for you hit delete now. Second, someone here (don't remember who and it's been deleted) said it is physically impossible for singing bowls to produce the low tone that you hear. Maybe what they really meant was "physically incredible" because, since you _do_ hear the tone, it is indeed possible. I remember some years ago reading about bells and the mathematical formula for determining the "perceived" fundamental frequency. The word perceived is important here because bells are not like organ pipes or strings. Organ pipes and strings actually produce their fundamental tone. Bells do not. Bells produce overtones of what we perceive to be the fundamental tone. This is were my memory escapes me but I seem to remember that a bell produces a low frequency vibration which is below human hearing and overtones which we do hear. It is the sums and differences of this inaudible low tone and the interaction with the overtones which produce the perceived fundamental. This is also why the sound of a bell seems to come not from the bell but from the space around it. No mystical mystery, just nature being its wondrous self. :-) Third, I have not procured a real Tibetan singing bowl yet but last night I was feeding my two cats. One of their bowls is a 6" stainless steel bowl. It dawned on me that it came from a set of six bowls of increasing size up to 16" in diameter. Imagine my surprise when I took a wooden potato masher and rubbed the edge of the 16" bowl with just the right circular motion. My 18 year old cat is stone deaf but he stared at me mesmerized by the intense low sound emanating from the bowl - it was probably the first thing he has "heard" in years! I am sure stainless steel is no substitute for high quality bronze alloy so I can only imagine what a real 16" singing bowl must be like. Anyway, once again the folks on Looper's Delight have directed my sonic fascination on to a new and exciting tangent. Singing bowls are now on my "must get" list of looper gear. Thanks to all who have contributed! -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 13 17:51:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06203; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:50:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:50:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006301c03560$5ea86280$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Noises through pickups (rather gongs...) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:55:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow- you mean I might have magic bowls in my possesion as we speak? Pretty neat getting a tone from a plain kitchen bowl- hmmmm.. I wonder if I could meditate using a 2x4 and my TOILET bowl? Can you say Ommmmmmm........? I can! Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Allan Hoeltje To: Loopers-Delight Date: Friday, October 13, 2000 2:40 PM Subject: Re: Noises through pickups (rather gongs...) >First, let me apologize if I've been dragging this bowl thread on too >long. Personally, I've found the discussion to be very interesting and >relevant to Looper business. If it hasn't been resonating for you hit >delete now. > >Second, someone here (don't remember who and it's been deleted) said it >is physically impossible for singing bowls to produce the low tone that >you hear. Maybe what they really meant was "physically incredible" >because, since you _do_ hear the tone, it is indeed possible. I >remember some years ago reading about bells and the mathematical formula >for determining the "perceived" fundamental frequency. The word >perceived is important here because bells are not like organ pipes or >strings. Organ pipes and strings actually produce their fundamental >tone. Bells do not. > >Bells produce overtones of what we perceive to be the fundamental tone. >This is were my memory escapes me but I seem to remember that a bell >produces a low frequency vibration which is below human hearing and >overtones which we do hear. It is the sums and differences of this >inaudible low tone and the interaction with the overtones which produce >the perceived fundamental. This is also why the sound of a bell seems >to come not from the bell but from the space around it. No mystical >mystery, just nature being its wondrous self. :-) > >Third, I have not procured a real Tibetan singing bowl yet but last >night I was feeding my two cats. One of their bowls is a 6" stainless >steel bowl. It dawned on me that it came from a set of six bowls of >increasing size up to 16" in diameter. Imagine my surprise when I took >a wooden potato masher and rubbed the edge of the 16" bowl with just the >right circular motion. My 18 year old cat is stone deaf but he stared >at me mesmerized by the intense low sound emanating from the bowl - it >was probably the first thing he has "heard" in years! I am sure >stainless steel is no substitute for high quality bronze alloy so I can >only imagine what a real 16" singing bowl must be like. > >Anyway, once again the folks on Looper's Delight have directed my sonic >fascination on to a new and exciting tangent. Singing bowls are now on >my "must get" list of looper gear. Thanks to all who have contributed! > >-Allan > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 13 17:54:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06315; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:53:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:53:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:52:16 -0700 Subject: Looping Shows in Seattle From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA06279 Resent-Message-ID: <2-2-RC.A.YiB.4Q455@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Two loop-heavy shows in Seattle this weekend: € Saturday, 10/14, 7-10PM Tiktok (solo guitar looping) performs at Black Lab Gallery (5208 Ballard Avenue NW) as part of Ballard's Second Saturday Art Walk € Saturday, 10/14, 11PM Tiktok and Electrochakra (guitar, guitar, bass, loops) radio broadcast 90.7FM KSER (Seattle), www.kser.org for webcast In-studio performance recorded in September of this year € Monday, 10/16, 9PM Electrochakra performs at Club I-Spy (1921 5th Avenue) Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Tiktok, Electrochakra -- Further details: http://home.sprintmail.com/~tiktok/index.html www.mp3.com/tiktok www.mp3.com/electrochakra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 13 17:57:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06406; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:56:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:56:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39E77EEA.1ADE906D@best.com> References: <39E77EEA.1ADE906D@best.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:54:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Noises through pickups (rather gongs...) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >My 18 year old cat is stone deaf but he stared >at me mesmerized by the intense low sound emanating from the bowl - it was probably the first thing he has "heard" in years! yay! this one made my day...my babies tend to sit on the rack cases and listen in if they think i'm doing something interesting... rich (a confessed 'cat-person') From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 13 17:58:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06489; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:57:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:57:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E8033B.4FEB9A30@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:54:51 -0700 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Noises through pickups (rather gongs...) References: <006301c03560$5ea86280$7bb387d8@cliff> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Clifford@BienAppraisers" wrote: > > wow- you mean I might have magic bowls in my possesion as we speak? Pretty > neat getting a tone from a plain kitchen bowl- hmmmm.. I wonder if I could > meditate using a 2x4 and my TOILET bowl? Can you say Ommmmmmm........? I > can! Xcuse me no !! the toilet bowl soung is more Hunnnnnnnnnghhhh... at trigger then HuuaaaAAA at release Claude ;=) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 13 18:04:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06617; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:03:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:03:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39E8033B.4FEB9A30@vtx.ch> References: <006301c03560$5ea86280$7bb387d8@cliff> <39E8033B.4FEB9A30@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:02:18 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: free looping show in NYC tomorrow! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [damn, I always forget to mail to youse guys... /t] 10/14: inside/outside w/slater, ritchford, yoffie, others for immediate release>>>>>> saturday, october 14th 7 PM jeremy slater tom ritchford victora yoffie present inside/outside 00 ( ) remix @sixth street gardens (6th and B) @7PM FREE! open to the public Dimensions: 10' in diameter. 8 speakers, Mac, video monitor, MIDI guitar, MIDI wind, electronics, effects, ambient/electronic improvised music with movement/dance "The Sanskrit word mandala means "circle" in the ordinary sense of the word. In the sphere of religious practices and in psychology it denotes circular images which are drawn, painted, modeled, or danced." -- Anthony Storr from "The Essential Jung" "An ambience is defined as an atmosphere, or a surrounding influence: a tint. Ambient music is intended to induce calm and a space to think. It must be able to accommodate many levels of listening attention without enforcing one in particular." -- from Brian Eno's original liner notes for Ambient 1: Music for Airports inside/outside 00 ambient/reactive performance/sound installation with 12 speakers arranged in a circular (mandala) formation with four sources of sound: live mixed computer sound (real-time mix/ pre-recorded loops of sound), and live sampled sound, MIDI guitar, MIDI flute, electronics, and ambient sound from outside with computer illumination from beneath and ambient and environmental footage. The installation will stand alone. Dancers move very slowly within the performance space triggering sound and video in the computer with foot switches located around the installation. The configuration of the circular formation is based on the idea of the mandala. The sound and movement is also circular. The sound is looping continuously with real-time improvised music as the loops of sound with digital delay and MIDI instruments interact to create a spiraling soundtrack. The movement by the dancers is also based on the mandala formation and is a continual attempt to maintain balance in a world that is environmentally damaged. The piece is an attempt to center -- striving for the ideal image of a mandala. /t [you're on this list because you're a friend of mine, because you asked me to put you on this list, or because you put me on YOUR list. If I made a mistake, let me know and I'll instantly remove you. /t] ...bunker:extreme (10/24) .. ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... ...bunker:extreme (10/24) .. ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 13 18:59:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07188; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:58:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:58:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:58:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Looping Shows in Seattle Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Travis, Do you have any gigs the following weekend? I'm coming up for a gig on thurday the 19th, and may stay through the weekend if there's cool music happening. later, dave trenkel >Two loop-heavy shows in Seattle this weekend: > >* Saturday, 10/14, 7-10PM > Tiktok (solo guitar looping) performs at > Black Lab Gallery (5208 Ballard Avenue NW) > as part of Ballard's Second Saturday Art Walk > >* Saturday, 10/14, 11PM > Tiktok and Electrochakra (guitar, guitar, bass, loops) radio broadcast > 90.7FM KSER (Seattle), www.kser.org for webcast > In-studio performance recorded in September of this year > >* Monday, 10/16, 9PM > Electrochakra performs at Club I-Spy (1921 5th Avenue) > > > >Be seeing you, > >Travis Hartnett >Tiktok, Electrochakra > > >-- >Further details: > http://home.sprintmail.com/~tiktok/index.html > www.mp3.com/tiktok > www.mp3.com/electrochakra ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 13 19:17:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07500; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:15:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:15:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:15:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Looping Shows in Seattle Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...sigh.... ...the inevitable apology for posting what was, of course, intended as a private mail to Travis inadvertantly to the list... ...now I've wasted your time and bandwidth twice. Will it ever end? ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 14 01:24:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11209; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:23:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:23:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c03574$aad8fe80$5ecdb23f@Pulse8> From: "Pulse 8" To: Cc: References: <39E77EEA.1ADE906D@best.com> Subject: Re: Noises through pickups (rather gongs...) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 00:21:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <-AIvk.A._uC.U2-55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com absolutely...my female cat (who is solid black, and over-weight) is named Diva, but she would more closely resemble Miss Piggy. I just re-arranged my studio to include a permenant home for my sh-101, which she has begun to use as her "runway". I'm considering hooking up the 4track to record what music she dances..or I could just put the sequencer on "load" mode while I do some mastering on the computer.. Joshua Pulse 8 http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 Pulse 8 Music Project http://www.egroups.com/community/sampleoftheday/ Free Sample Of The Day http://www.egroups.com/community/loopoftheday/ Free Loop Of The Day ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 9:54 PM Subject: Re: Noises through pickups (rather gongs...) > >My 18 year old cat is stone deaf but he stared > >at me mesmerized by the intense low sound emanating from the bowl - it > was probably the first thing he has "heard" in years! > > yay! this one made my day...my babies tend to sit on the rack cases > and listen in if they think i'm doing something interesting... > > rich > (a confessed 'cat-person') > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 14 01:26:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11319; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:25:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:25:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c03575$14082de0$5ecdb23f@Pulse8> From: "Pulse 8" To: References: Subject: Re: dildos and personal fans Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 00:24:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <_7BAfD.A.iwC.F5-55@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com speaking of Dildo's...Ryan from The Legendary Pink Dots/ Twilight Circus uses them on his guitars...and the second time I saw them in Dallas, (two years ago) he just laid them down on top of his guitar and went and drummed... He also uses a device very similar to the theremin, but I don't know the inner workings of it, though I did get to play with it two years ago as well. Joshua Pulse 8 http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 Pulse 8 Music Project http://www.egroups.com/community/sampleoftheday/ Free Sample Of The Day http://www.egroups.com/community/loopoftheday/ Free Loop Of The Day ----- Original Message ----- From: "r. dennis" To: Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 2:34 PM Subject: re: dildos and personal fans > > > for christmas, try the norelco personal cordless shaver. > > no kidding. > > a:c > > > On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Rick Walker wrote: > > > > > david wrote: > > > > i used a 'vibrator', a few times in the early 80's, but..... ummm..... > > didn't > > get so much musicality from that; 'twas fun to see the front-row's > > reaction, > > though. also: 'personal fans' can be kinda nice, both sonically &, add'ly > > as a > > mechanised-pick/'stringdriver'. > > best, > > dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL > > > > > > I'm not a guitarist (although I use one in my live looping shows), I'm a > > texturalist and found sound aficianado who comes from a rhytmic > > background (world percussion and trapset originally). I just wanted to > > say that I use variable speed dildos > > to control simple melodies through pickups (and sometimes just through > > regular microphones). You usually can get a very simple two or three note > > melody out of one. > > I recently did a local cable access television show where I played 28 > > minutes of music without using one conventional insturment (well, I used > > a balines suling once) and my wife at the last moment talked me out of > > doing a looping piece only using dildos.......family values and all) > > I also use personal fans in a piece of music called DAYGLO > > TRANSLUCENT LIME GREEN PLASTIC as one of the rhythmic elements. If you > > blow burst of air through the fan onto a mic you can get very techno > > sounding timbre going, rhytmically which can get pretty sophisticated if > > you use several fans with different 'fundamental' pitches. > > I also use several sometimes as different pitched drones. It is > > particularly great when batteries are just about out of poop because the > > oscillations are slower and , if you are lucky, you can hear the > > modulation of the individual blades. This, alas, does, not work through > > pickups. > > Another fun 'preparation' of the guitar I've experimented with (outside > > of the de riguer alligator clips, knives and forks) is taking one of > > those large steel chinese therapeutic balls (you know, the ones in the > > import stores that have beautiful random chimes in them. > > and roll them down the strings forwards or away from the pick ups. I > > found these great blue plastic martini skewers with small round balls at > > the end which I use to play the strings directly over the pickups while > > the ball rolls.........kind of a slide, fretless gamelan kind of > > thing.........all of this loops wonderfully (he says, bringing it all > > back to the topic ; - ) > > stay creative, Rick (humbly AKA Loop.pooL) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 14 01:50:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11630; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:50:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:50:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001014014404.007bfba0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:44:04 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Noises through pickups (rather gongs, or pieces of wood...) In-Reply-To: <39E77EEA.1ADE906D@best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This reminds me of something that happened to me at a NEXUS performance a week or so ago: the opening piece was Steve Reich's "Music for Pieces of Wood". (Although there are no looping devices used on this piece, it IS quite loop-topical due to the cyclical and repetitive nature of the composition.) Anyway, I'm fairly certain I had heard this piece before in a recorded form, but this was the first time I'd ever heard it performed live. It was amazing; the sound was reflecting all around the room (an old church with lots of wooden surfaces and an arched ceiling), and the interference between frequencies in combination with the rhythm of the piece set up a very strange sensation in my inner ear. It wasn't the volume; it was the pulsation of the music, and I began to hear frequencies that could not have been produced by the instruments alone (five sets of claves in different sizes), but rather by the interaction and interference of all the sounds in combination. Very enjoyable! Tim At 02:30 PM 10/13/00 -0700, you wrote: >Second, someone here (don't remember who and it's been deleted) said it >is physically impossible for singing bowls to produce the low tone that >you hear. Maybe what they really meant was "physically incredible" >because, since you _do_ hear the tone, it is indeed possible. I >remember some years ago reading about bells and the mathematical formula >for determining the "perceived" fundamental frequency. The word >perceived is important here because bells are not like organ pipes or >strings. Organ pipes and strings actually produce their fundamental >tone. Bells do not. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 14 03:22:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12824; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 03:21:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 03:21:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E809AC.E3FD9257@t-online.de> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:22:21 +0200 From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) Reply-To: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Noises through pickups (rather gongs...) References: <39E77EEA.1ADE906D@best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0265142411-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So true,eventhough this low tone is not really produced,nevertheless we can "hear" it. The reason is simple.Our ears can also be tricked-or missinterpret- an acoustic effect,like our visible recognition. In this case,we hear from a bell all overtones/harmonics,but the "Base Tone" is physical missing.Our brain now adds this missing first harmonic to the reall appearing overtones and so we hear also this low base-overtone of the harmonic spectrum of the bell. This effect is also used for such devices like Subharmonic Exciters and Psychoacoustic-effects devices.Bring in the sound more bass,without changing the volume of a signal. There are also other nice audiorelated phenomens to trick our audible recognition.Like the Sheppards Effect,with an infinitley,decreasing sound. Martin Allan Hoeltje schrieb: > > First, let me apologize if I've been dragging this bowl thread on too > long. Personally, I've found the discussion to be very interesting and > relevant to Looper business. If it hasn't been resonating for you hit > delete now. > > Second, someone here (don't remember who and it's been deleted) said it > is physically impossible for singing bowls to produce the low tone that > you hear. Maybe what they really meant was "physically incredible" > because, since you _do_ hear the tone, it is indeed possible. I > remember some years ago reading about bells and the mathematical formula > for determining the "perceived" fundamental frequency. The word > perceived is important here because bells are not like organ pipes or > strings. Organ pipes and strings actually produce their fundamental > tone. Bells do not. > > Bells produce overtones of what we perceive to be the fundamental tone. > This is were my memory escapes me but I seem to remember that a bell > produces a low frequency vibration which is below human hearing and > overtones which we do hear. It is the sums and differences of this > inaudible low tone and the interaction with the overtones which produce > the perceived fundamental. This is also why the sound of a bell seems > to come not from the bell but from the space around it. No mystical > mystery, just nature being its wondrous self. :-) > > Third, I have not procured a real Tibetan singing bowl yet but last > night I was feeding my two cats. One of their bowls is a 6" stainless > steel bowl. It dawned on me that it came from a set of six bowls of > increasing size up to 16" in diameter. Imagine my surprise when I took > a wooden potato masher and rubbed the edge of the 16" bowl with just the > right circular motion. My 18 year old cat is stone deaf but he stared > at me mesmerized by the intense low sound emanating from the bowl - it > was probably the first thing he has "heard" in years! I am sure > stainless steel is no substitute for high quality bronze alloy so I can > only imagine what a real 16" singing bowl must be like. > > Anyway, once again the folks on Looper's Delight have directed my sonic > fascination on to a new and exciting tangent. Singing bowls are now on > my "must get" list of looper gear. Thanks to all who have contributed! > > -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 14 08:29:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14624; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 08:28:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 08:28:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E851C3.E08FFCA3@t-online.de> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:29:56 +0200 From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) Reply-To: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: G.M.Koenig and his Loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0265142411-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, found an interesting interview with G.M.Koenig.In this interview he explains a lot of his electronic work in his busy times(1953-1959) at the electronic studio Cologne of the WDR Radio/TV-station. As they were there producing new electronicsounds and compositions, their gear at this time was really limited.A few SineWave oscilators, Ringmodulators,rudimentary Vocoders and tapemachines.To realize a short composition/electronic work,needed weeks. Sinewaves were recorded,cut and glued together,then in a Ping Pong recording mixed. To fasten the process they decided to use the loopingmethod.Two tape-recorders.One record the material,the tape then will feed the second taperecorder wich plays back the before recorded material.This signal was fed back to the recording Taperecorder.Looplength/duration was determined by the distance of the both machines. With this technic they looped sinoidwaves to a wall of electronicsounds- wich could be described as Additive Synthesis). They traced this method only as a helpingtool to get much faster ready with the work. This method is the same as the Frippertronics-looping of Mr.Fripp. A nice LookBack to Looping. Marty From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 14 10:31:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15542; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:31:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:31:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:37:15 -0400 Subject: lex PCM 42 From: Michael Whalen To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear LD: With all this talk about tuned bowls, dildos, and other appliances - I thought I could make one more stab at selling my Lexicon PCM-42 delay. It has only been used in the studio and is mint. $1200 + shipping. Payment via Pay Pal only. Thanks. You may resume your dialogue on the universe of pitches emanating from my electric tooth brush....now if you mic it and run it through the pcm-42......... -- michael j. whalen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 14 10:33:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15648; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:32:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:32:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c035ed$39cafee0$c1944e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Noises through pickups (rather gongs, or pieces of wood...) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:44:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <0WUK0D.A.W0D.x5G65@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Nelson wrote: >the opening piece was Steve Reich's "Music for Pieces of >Wood". (Although there are no looping devices used on this piece, it IS >quite loop-topical due to the cyclical and repetitive nature of the >composition.) Anyway, I'm fairly certain I had heard this piece before in a >recorded form, but this was the first time I'd ever heard it performed >live. It was amazing; the sound was reflecting all around the room (an old >church with lots of wooden surfaces and an arched ceiling), and the >interference between frequencies in combination with the rhythm of the >piece set up a very strange sensation in my inner ear. It wasn't the >volume; it was the pulsation of the music, and I began to hear frequencies >that could not have been produced by the instruments alone (five sets of >claves in different sizes), but rather by the interaction and interference >of all the sounds in combination. Very enjoyable! Hear, hear! I remember a similar occurrence 25 years ago, hearing Steve Reich's ensemble performing his "Clapping Music." It was in a very small, acoustically tight auditorium and I experienced the same sort of "my eyes are seeing it, but my ears are deceived" phenomenon. I couldn't believe that 2 people clapping (in and out of rhythmic phase) could produce so much sound! Needless to say, I was flabbergasted when the entire ensemble played "Drumming" -- 5 performers playing unamplified tuned bongos with sticks -- it sounded as though there were an entire orchestra of drummers! Two or three years ago I had a similar experience hearing LaMonte Young's Forever Bad Blues Band at the Knitting Factory. Again, no mechanical or electronic looping involved, but the music itself was like one extremely long loop. They played only one piece, "Young's Dorian Blues in D" for nearly three hours. The piece was similar to a 12-bar blues, except that it was very drone-based and the format was more like a 1200-bar blues :-) Young played a just-intonation tuned keyboard, the Catler brothers played fretless bass, fretless electric guitar (as well as a wild, snap-on microtonal multifretted neck, which I believe has been discussed on-list several months ago). The drummer played a standard trap kit (I couldn't discern any alternate tuning ;-} ). The music itself was incredible. I'm not well-versed in the Blues, but this was no traditional blues band. What really interested me, however, was not any particular part that any individual was playing, but the overall SOUND of the music in the room. Due to the just-intonation, as well as the volume level, it seemed as though a huge, billowing, shimmering sonic cloud was just hanging there in the air. I got the feeling that THIS was what the piece was all about -- the cumulative (cumulus?) effect of the instruments' decay rates, the inevitable clash of harmonics from the just-intonation, the manner in which the room itself shaped the sound, and the sense that the individual notes didn't really mean so much on their own but added to the synergy of the whole. I've heard the recording of the same piece that was done about 1 year before I saw them perform it, and as great as it was, the recording just didn't capture that "cloud effect" from being there in the room. I guess the same could be said of any performance of any type of music, from heavy-metal to a symphony orchestra to gamelan. But I kept finding myself almost *ignoring* what the band was playing, and concentrating my listening focus on that "cloud." It was a very interesting night of listening. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 14 13:53:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19317; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:51:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:51:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E89E39.DA973CD0@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:56:12 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de, "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: OT Noises through pickups (rather gongs...) References: <39E77EEA.1ADE906D@best.com> <39E809AC.E3FD9257@t-online.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Martin Tauchen wrote: > So true,eventhough this low tone is not really produced,nevertheless > we can "hear" it. > The reason is simple.Our ears can also be tricked-or missinterpret- > an acoustic effect,like our visible recognition. > In this case,we hear from a bell all overtones/harmonics,but the > "Base Tone" is physical missing.Our brain now adds this missing > first harmonic to the reall appearing overtones and so we hear also > this low base-overtone of the harmonic spectrum of the bell. > > This effect is also used for such devices like Subharmonic Exciters and > Psychoacoustic-effects devices.Bring in the sound more bass,without > changing the volume of a signal. > > There are also other nice audiorelated phenomens to trick our audible > recognition.Like the Sheppards Effect,with an infinitley,decreasing > sound. > > Martin > > not to drag this even further off-topic, but there does seem to be some corollary to the world of optical illusions as well; if we see small dots of cyan, magenta, yellow and black in certain combinations, other colors appear to us, even though they do not "physically" exist. it's not exactly the same as hearing overtones of a fundamental which is not present, but similar, i suppose... is there a source of information in re the "sheppards effect" you could direct us to? lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 14 14:11:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19596; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:10:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:10:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E8A2B2.872154AB@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:15:20 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: G.M.Koenig and his Loops References: <39E851C3.E08FFCA3@t-online.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Martin Tauchen wrote: > Hi, > > found an interesting interview with G.M.Koenig.In this interview he > explains a lot of his electronic work in his busy times(1953-1959) at the > electronic studio Cologne of the WDR Radio/TV-station. > > As they were there producing new electronicsounds and compositions, > their gear at this time was really limited.A few SineWave oscilators, > Ringmodulators,rudimentary Vocoders and tapemachines.To realize a > short composition/electronic work,needed weeks. > Sinewaves were recorded,cut and glued together,then in a Ping Pong > recording mixed. > To fasten the process they decided to use the loopingmethod.Two > tape-recorders.One record the material,the tape then will feed the second > taperecorder wich plays back the before recorded material.This signal > was fed back to the recording Taperecorder.Looplength/duration was > determined by the distance of the both machines. > With this technic they looped sinoidwaves to a wall of electronicsounds- > wich could be described as Additive Synthesis). > They traced this method only as a helpingtool to get much faster ready > with the work. > This method is the same as the Frippertronics-looping of Mr.Fripp. > > A nice LookBack to Looping. > > Marty okay, don't tease us, where did you see this interview? lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 14 15:05:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20288; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:05:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:05:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001014145901.007bba20@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:59:01 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT Noises through pickups (rather gongs...) In-Reply-To: <39E89E39.DA973CD0@earthlink.net> References: <39E77EEA.1ADE906D@best.com> <39E809AC.E3FD9257@t-online.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Lance, That's certainly true about the way a screened 4-color process photo works, (although with dot gain the inks ARE often physically mixing to make new colors and/or mud other than CMYK), but we're talking about sounds that are completely _outside_ the frequency range of the instruments being used. For example, when you strike two notes at the same fret on a guitar's B and high E strings, then bend the B up, there's a low sound well below the notes being played that drops down in harmonic relation to the bend. [I have a Tele on which this 'gnnaaooomph' (sp?) is particularly pronounced. My Steinberger sort of does it too, but not as clearly, it's almost unnoticable on my Strats and _completely_ inaudible on my 335, so I'd suspect it has to do with the specific overtones that define a particular instrument's timbre, and also on the response characteristics of your amp/speaker(s).] The colors in a process photo are all within a limited frequency range determined by the inks and paper; as you point out, we see colors other than CMY and K in the photo, but NOT those outside of that gamut, like ultraviolet or infrared, which would be more akin (not exactly, either, but it's an analogy after all) to the psychoacoustic effect we're trying to describe. Maybe a closer optical analogy would be the technique commonly used in Op Art where completely opposite colors are juxtaposed in patterns; magenta right next to green, saturated red next to cyan, black next to white, for example. Our visual sensory system gets overloaded by the contrast and it causes all kinds of neat effects. The colors pulsate, have halos of hues that aren't even present, give the illusion of movement, etc. all without psychedelic assistance. To drag it a bit back ON-topic, one way in which this is relevant to looping is in the way this phenonenon (interaction/disruption of harmonic content) varies depending on where the combination is actually happening. When I use a smaller looping rig in which my straight, looped and otherwise delayed signals are combined into one signal to come out of one amp/speaker, it's a very different sound than when using a larger rig where several discrete signals are amplified separately and come out of different speakers placed in different parts of the room and the combinations occur in the air acoustically. Undoubtably much of it can be attributed to harmonic distortion (since the smaller setup usually ends up getting pushed a lot harder!), but there is a real difference in timbre going on there. Cool stuff! Tim At 10:56 AM 10/14/00 -0700, you wrote: >not to drag this even further off-topic, but there does seem to be some >corollary to the world of optical illusions as well; if we see small dots of >cyan, magenta, yellow and black in certain combinations, other colors appear >to us, even though they do not "physically" exist. it's not exactly the same >as hearing overtones of a fundamental which is not present, but similar, i >suppose... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 14 15:37:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20737; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:36:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:36:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E8B62B.E935BD94@t-online.de> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:38:32 +0200 From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) Reply-To: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Shepards-effect-sources References: <39E77EEA.1ADE906D@best.com> <39E809AC.E3FD9257@t-online.de> <3.0.5.32.20001014145901.007bba20@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0265142411-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, here it comes : http://forum.swarthmore.edu/library/topics/music http://www.doepfer.de/a100_man/a191_man.htm http://www.arachnaut.org/music/links.html http://www.jsbach.org/web.html http://search.britannica.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 14 19:55:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23454; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:54:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:54:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00dd01c03639$f3a22720$b983abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: References: Subject: R: dildos and personal fans Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 01:47:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: r. dennis > for christmas, try the norelco personal cordless shaver. I also suggest it ! It's a biiiig e-bow Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 14 21:42:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24544; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:41:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:41:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E8FDF2.4AC59DC5@sigecom.net> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:44:35 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: If you have a Boomerang, You must get the upgrade! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recieved the upgrade (V2) from Mr. Nelson and it is a MUST for you V1 users. The quality is SO much better. I was about to sell the Boomerang after only having it for a few days and I heard about the upgrade. I'm an acoustic guy using the Rang for sampling and it sounds just as good as the other higher expense items. Great job Nelson! Zing From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 15 00:02:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26058; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:01:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:01:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:57:02 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: sp-808 looping In-reply-to: <39E5FFD8.F2C0BE65@hoover-keith.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20001012143434.2630.qmail@web1104.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:15 AM -0700 10/12/00, Ryan D. Supak wrote: >i got the new sp-808 operating system and installed it a few months >back. > >i just realised the sp-808 with the newest OS meets "true looper" >criteria, in that you can add audio to a loop without stopping playback. > >(for anyone who owns one and cares, combine pad-to-track mode with the >synth preset called "sound on sound". put fx patch in "send/return" >mode.) > >it looks to have quite a few subtle intricacies to it, but i really >haven't had a chance to plod through it all yet because of midterms and >too many office hours. 8< Hi Ryan- that's interesting news! do you have any more details, like a manual to go with the new OS or something? I'd like to put that information on the SP-808 page on the LD website. (and I guess I'll have to move it up to the "true looper" category. :-) that could make the sp-808 a very interesting device, given it has 8 looping tracks, timestretch/pitchchange, filters, effects, zip drive, and that nifty d-beam thing. give us a review of how well it works in real use when you get some more time. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 15 04:42:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA31493; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 04:41:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 04:41:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200010121745.KAA24972@proxy4.ba.best.com> References: <200010121745.KAA24972@proxy4.ba.best.com> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 06:44:02 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Gongs! - was Re: Noises... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, Dennis > > I feel that mine is hollow... is it? completely? partly? > >It seems quite an individual choice. It's hard to find a "bowl palace" >where you can try a whole lot of different ones until you find those that >speak to you. I actually meant phisically hollow: two separate metal sheets for the outer and the inner side... no idea why I get this impression... if its not so, we should urgently try how such a thing would sound... > > How do they do that? > >Good question! I find the sound three-dimensional. When a bowl really >cuts loose and sings loudly, it's like the sound surrounds you, coming from >all directions. Alan said: >Thank you very much for the info! These are still pricy but they are less >than the others I've seen. (I just want great sonic devices, not buy my way >into heaven. :-) I will give fareast a call and see if I qualify as a mere >mortal. If not, how about a Big Loopers Delight Gong Group Buy?!! > not too bad... we could fit them with piezo pickups. I can send them over if someone places them... Denis again: >Looping a bowl in mono isn't nearly the same. Using a stereo pair of EDPs >is much better. One of these days, I'm going to set up four mics, configure >a quad looper in Kyma, and try looping a bowl in quad. shhhh... so spread pickups would do the same? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 15 09:01:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32570; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 08:59:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 08:59:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <93.1cef1cb.271b01e0@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 08:49:36 EDT Subject: Re: lex PCM 42 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dude, a) is that a 42 w/MEO, & b) has the unit been modified, at all? if not, you'll probably have an easier time selling this box to a 'studio'-market, no? best, dt >With all this talk about tuned bowls, dildos, and other appliances - I >thought I could make one more stab at selling my Lexicon PCM-42 delay. >It >has only been used in the studio and is mint. > >$1200 + shipping. > >Payment via Pay Pal only. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 15 11:40:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01201; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 11:38:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 11:38:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c036bd$805a6320$e5aa5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #186 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 11:34:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #186 October 12, 2000. On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Tangerine Dream as this year's annual Oktoberfest celebration. The feature CD at Midnight was "Rubycon" on the Virgin label. I also played the music of Jonn Serrie and Gary Stroutsos in anticipation of their October 14 performance at the Gathering. Tangerine Dream http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2000/focus00.html#oct The Gathering http://www.thegatherings.org/28gather.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm VA [Saul Stokes] Ivaneer Voyager (AdAstra) Spacecraft White Crane Twentieth Century Mix (Space for Music) Ma Ja Le Spheres Dreams in the Orchards of Saturn (Space for Music) Rudy Adrian Le SOnge du Singe Kinetic Flow (Groove) Jonn Serrie & Sunrise Song Hidden World (Narada) Gary Stroutsos Giles Reaves Into Immensity Sacred Space (Space for Music) 12:00 am Tangerine Dream Rubycon Part I Rubycon (Virgin) Tangerine Dream Rubycon Part II Rubycon (Virgin) dream STATE Amorphous Amphibious Between Realities (E Space) Steve Roach The Luminous Return Light Fantastic (Fathom) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Tangerine Dream to celebrate Oktoberfest EMUSIC-style. The feature CD at midnight will be "Poland" on the Jive Electro label. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 15 12:17:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01659; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:16:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:16:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.1.96] From: "Dave Traver" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: If you have a Boomerang, You must get the upgrade! Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 16:15:15 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Oct 2000 16:15:15.0491 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A589730:01C036C3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would like to upgrade my rang. Do you have to send the whole unit in? How long does it take? Thanks _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 15 12:32:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01905; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:31:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:31:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E9DC23.74DE5DB4@t-online.de> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 18:32:50 +0200 From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) Reply-To: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Pre-determined aleatoric looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender: 0265142411-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Another way of looping I also use,is this in the subject metioned. This is a more complex method,including Midi-Loops. In this case I use a Yamaha VL1m-synth for Soundgeneration over a Midiguitar.The VL1m is mono/duophonic,but this isn´t really a limitation. A sound of this device can be shaped by a lot Midi-controller messages. In Forefront of Looping,I use several sources to create Midi controller messages. Maybe from radio.This signal is send to a extremley sharp Filterbank- also known as Vocoder.I only open oned Filterband,the others are closed. So only a small bandwith of this signal will go to the out. This filtered signal will feed a Waldorf 4Pole,wich is able to scale the Inputsignale into related Midi-controller Data. I keep on going like that,with different Filtervalues,until I have enough Controllermessages for the VL1m. This is recorded into a sequencer.After transfroming the Midi controller messages to different sources,each one recorded on an own track,I make loops for every track.Different timing values. Now the Setup is ready for the real looping session.The Vl1m gets fed with all this controller messages and I start to improvise with it over the looping gear.As I don´t know how the sound really will be at its appearance(because of this massive MidiControllerchanges),it can be traced as an aleatory work. The results are quiet amazing. This can be done only with the VL1m and related synths.Because this "physical modelling" machine reacts very subtile on Controllerchanges. Like a real acoustic instrument. So each looping is always a unique session and can not be recalled or done a second time like that.A real human-machine interaction. Maybe an idea for other ones. Marty From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 15 13:05:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02273; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 13:04:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 13:04:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39E9D65C.3996FCFF@sigecom.net> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:07:57 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: If you have a Boomerang, You must get the upgrade! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1tQphB.A.Oj.sNe65@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Email Mike @ mnelson@dmans.com. and find out how much it will cost you. It could be $40.00 or $80.00 depending on when you got your Rang. You send him a check and he will send you the chip that you install. Easy to do just don't rush it. He was fast getting the chip out after recieving the payment. I think the whole process took about a week. You'll be so happy you did it! Zing Dave Traver wrote: > I would like to upgrade my rang. Do you have to send the whole unit in? > How long does it take? Thanks > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 15 17:27:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06051; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:26:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:26:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [199.179.185.131] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: kflint@loopers-delight.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Zoom Sample Track 224 Sponsorship Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 21:25:34 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Oct 2000 21:25:35.0379 (UTC) FILETIME=[74AA0630:01C036EE] Resent-Message-ID: <7SFYsB.A.beB.sDi65@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have one of these wonderful Looping Tools, and I would like to sponsor a link to it. I have NO, idea how to do this, so can can you help. (Well, the website, or link setup is not a problem, I could do the HTML coding myself, but I have no idea how to get it linked to the LD site).I use this contraption in conjunction with my PC, and software from Sonic Foundry. I have learned some tricks and can offer some tips, for users of this device. I would also would like to have downloadable samples that can be used as Loops for the device. The original samples could be rendered in MP3, then converted to .WAV files and uploaded to the device, (the appropriate software, and Flashcard, with converter will be needed for this option). So how about it.... can LD give a brother a table dance, I mean a chance ? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 16 02:07:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26115; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 02:05:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 02:05:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c03737$a18d60e0$90936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <39E675DC.16225B73@cruzio.com> Subject: Re: dildos and personal fans Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 06:52:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0090_01C035AB.44FD3AE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C035AB.44FD3AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Excellent stuff - I'm off to try this too. Gareth Another fun 'preparation' of the guitar I've experimented with = (outside of the de riguer alligator clips, knives and forks) is taking = one of those large steel chinese therapeutic balls (you know, the ones = in the import stores that have beautiful random chimes in them.=20 and roll them down the strings forwards or away from the pick ups. I = found these great blue plastic martini skewers with small round balls at = the end which I use to play the strings directly over the pickups while = the ball rolls.........kind of a slide, fretless gamelan kind of = thing.........all of this loops wonderfully (he says, bringing it all = back to the topic ; - )=20 stay creative, Rick (humbly AKA Loop.pooL)=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C035AB.44FD3AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Excellent stuff - I'm off to try this = too.

Gareth


Another fun 'preparation' of the guitar I've experimented with = (outside=20 of the de riguer alligator clips, knives and forks) is taking one of = those=20 large steel chinese therapeutic balls (you know, the ones in the = import stores=20 that have beautiful random chimes in them.
and roll them down the = strings=20 forwards or away from the pick ups.   I found these great = blue=20 plastic martini skewers with small round balls at the end which I use = to play=20 the strings directly over the pickups while the ball = rolls.........kind of a=20 slide, fretless gamelan kind of thing.........all of this loops = wonderfully=20 (he says, bringing it all back to the topic ; - )
stay =20 creative,   Rick (humbly AKA  Loop.pooL)=20

------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C035AB.44FD3AE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 16 08:47:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29442; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:45:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:45:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:44:24 -0400 Subject: Re: New looper question From: Doug Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000501c03737$a18d60e0$90936fd4@y5w2s5> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3054530664_5166436_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3054530664_5166436_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I just got my EDP! I've been a wannabie looper for years and now I am really doing it! This thing is SO COOL! I'm using it with my 3 guitars (not at the same time) and my guitar synth. Now I need to know the quickest way to get 4 4-MB SIMMS to max out the memory. _________________________________ Doug Miller Illustrator / Graphic Designer http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller --MS_Mac_OE_3054530664_5166436_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: New looper question I just got my EDP! I've been a wannabie looper for years and now I am reall= y doing it! This thing is SO COOL! I'm using it with my 3 guitars (not at th= e same time) and my guitar synth.

Now I need to know the quickest way to get 4 4-MB SIMMS to max out the memo= ry.
_________________________________
Doug Miller
Illustrator / Graphic Designer
http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller
--MS_Mac_OE_3054530664_5166436_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 16 11:52:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31493; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:48:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:48:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <138FAF0D3722D311BAD00000F8093163227E51@hdo-exchange.corporate.southam.ca> From: "Bailey, Jim" To: "'looppost'" Subject: RE: dildos and personal fans Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:37:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <4VRSW.A.6rH.xMy65@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: r. dennis [mailto:tonobung@panix.com] > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 10:34 AM > > for christmas, try the norelco personal cordless shaver. > > no kidding. Indeed. I have a loop piece (tape delay, actually) from 1982 called "A Close Shave Parts 1 & 2" (how's that for an imaginative title?) made using an electric shaver both to excite the strings and induce the pick-ups of my cheap electric guitar. Recorded it outside in the garden, too! Jim Bailey From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 16 13:08:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32758; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:05:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:05:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <138FAF0D3722D311BAD00000F8093163227E52@hdo-exchange.corporate.southam.ca> From: "Bailey, Jim" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: G.M.Koenig and his Loops Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:54:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de [mailto:Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de] > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 8:30 AM > > found an interesting interview with G.M.Koenig.In this interview he > explains a lot of his electronic work in his busy > times(1953-1959) at the > electronic studio Cologne of the WDR Radio/TV-station. This is indeed interesting. Do you have the source for this? If it's true, it predates the use of this technique by Terry Riley, et al. at the San Francisco Tape Music Centre, widely credited as the origin of tape-delay. As one who still uses this method, I'm intrigued. Jim Bailey From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 16 13:29:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00849; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:27:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:27:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F919AF8D@mail.davitt-hanser.com> From: Todd Quincy To: "Loopers (E-mail)" Subject: v drum & echolplex Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:31:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is anyone using a v drum (or any other midi kit) to control (open & close etc..) loops on the echoplex? Todd Quincy BC Rich, Kustom, PowerWerks, Davitt & Hanser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 16 13:34:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01012; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:33:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:33:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39EB6450.64930E8@virtulink.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:25:52 -0700 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: G.M.Koenig and his Loops References: <138FAF0D3722D311BAD00000F8093163227E52@hdo-exchange.corporate.southam.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_H0xJD.A.QP.Uuz65@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Bailey, Jim" wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de [mailto:Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de] > > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 8:30 AM > > > > found an interesting interview with G.M.Koenig.In this interview he > > explains a lot of his electronic work in his busy > > times(1953-1959) at the > > electronic studio Cologne of the WDR Radio/TV-station. > > This is indeed interesting. Do you have the source for this? If it's true, > it predates the use of this technique by Terry Riley, et al. at the San > Francisco Tape Music Centre, widely credited as the origin of tape-delay. As > one who still uses this method, I'm intrigued. I thought TR learned it from a French recording engineer? I don't have time to check the history books right now.... -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 16 13:57:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01663; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:55:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:55:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39EB4238.3C018508@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:06:16 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Noises through pickups (rather gongs...) References: <39E77EEA.1ADE906D@best.com> <39E809AC.E3FD9257@t-online.de> <3.0.5.32.20001014145901.007bba20@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Nelson wrote: > ...To drag it a bit back ON-topic, one way in which this is relevant to > looping is in the way this phenonenon (interaction/disruption of harmonic > content) varies depending on where the combination is actually happening. > When I use a smaller looping rig in which my straight, looped and otherwise > delayed signals are combined into one signal to come out of one > amp/speaker, it's a very different sound than when using a larger rig where > several discrete signals are amplified separately and come out of different > speakers placed in different parts of the room and the combinations occur > in the air acoustically. Undoubtably much of it can be attributed to > harmonic distortion (since the smaller setup usually ends up getting pushed > a lot harder!), but there is a real difference in timbre going on there... tim, this is a nice post. i hope the topic of comparative sensory phenomenon is not too far afield for the rest of our looping friends (your efforts in keeping it on-topic much appreciated...); i find these comparisons interesting... lance g. ps: could harmonic distortion be compared to dot gain? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 16 16:09:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04046; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:07:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:07:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00fd01c03810$cb55bd80$87dee2c1@absolute> From: "Adam Davidson" To: References: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F919AF8D@mail.davitt-hanser.com> Subject: Re: v drum & echolplex Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:03:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have a ddrum3 and ddrum4. what's your idea? adam ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd Quincy To: Loopers (E-mail) Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 7:31 PM Subject: v drum & echolplex > is anyone using a v drum (or any other midi kit) to control (open & close > etc..) loops on the echoplex? > > Todd Quincy > BC Rich, Kustom, PowerWerks, Davitt & Hanser > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 16 16:14:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04315; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:12:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:12:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39EB6450.64930E8@virtulink.com> References: <138FAF0D3722D311BAD00000F8093163227E52@hdo-exchange.corporate.southam.ca> <39EB6450.64930E8@virtulink.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:09:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: G.M.Koenig and his Loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >"Bailey, Jim" wrote: > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de [mailto:Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de] > > > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 8:30 AM > > > > > > found an interesting interview with G.M.Koenig.In this interview he > > > explains a lot of his electronic work in his busy > > > times(1953-1959) at the > > > electronic studio Cologne of the WDR Radio/TV-station. > > > > This is indeed interesting. Do you have the source for this? If it's true, > > it predates the use of this technique by Terry Riley, et al. at the San > > Francisco Tape Music Centre, widely credited as the origin of >tape-delay. As > > one who still uses this method, I'm intrigued. > >I thought TR learned it from a French recording engineer? I don't >have time to check the history books right now.... Koenig is a real pioneer in a lot of things -- one of my university computer music pieces c. 1980 was "strongly inspired" by his techniques for generating a series of musical values. But I never heard that he invented the tape delay! But I believe that Riley, whom I revere!, didn't invent it. Now, says: >The two-machine tape delay and feedback system (which later evolved >into Frippertronics and digital loop delays) was apparently >developed by members of the San Francisco Tape Music Center. It is >not clear who had the original idea, but it appears that it was Terry >Riley. isn't so clear, but mentions Stockhausen (who'd have been my first guess) as using the tape head gap for delay purposes in 1965. Didn't find any other good references on line. My "books" (remember books?) are all in storage right now, which make it hard to be authoritative here... /t ....formal model of chess ............. ...a random game of chess ... ............documentation ..................... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 16 17:06:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05406; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:04:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:04:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39EB6BA8.5B98B296@t-online.de> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:57:13 +0200 From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) Reply-To: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: G.M.Koenig and his Loops References: <138FAF0D3722D311BAD00000F8093163227E52@hdo-exchange.corporate.southam.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0265142411-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, my comments need a correction.Eventhough they used such tapelooping in the electronic studio,they used it only as a production tool to shorten the time of processing a new electronic sound.This Sound- engineering at this times were really timeburning ! >From his -short comments to the loop- it can be said,that he traced it only as a production tool,but not as unique or special music expression.He and all the others at this Studio followed other ideas and visions of that time. Maybe Koenig did use the technic earlier as TR,but I also think,it was also usual in other electronic studios of that time. A way to work more economic with the Soundproduction,and effective usage of the exisiting gear. The musical expression of the Looping came later,and so I guess that TR still can be fixed for it. Marty "Bailey, Jim" schrieb: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de [mailto:Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de] > > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 8:30 AM > > > > found an interesting interview with G.M.Koenig.In this interview he > > explains a lot of his electronic work in his busy > > times(1953-1959) at the > > electronic studio Cologne of the WDR Radio/TV-station. > > This is indeed interesting. Do you have the source for this? If it's true, > it predates the use of this technique by Terry Riley, et al. at the San > Francisco Tape Music Centre, widely credited as the origin of tape-delay. As > one who still uses this method, I'm intrigued. > > Jim Bailey From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 16 20:44:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09391; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:42:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:42:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39EBA0A3.37C916E8@cloud9.net> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:43:15 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hello ... and repeater info Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks! I'm brand new to this list, and pleased to be joining such an august company ! :) I'm intrigued by the idea of live performance looping. Although I've never tried it, I do a lot of midi/audio "playing along with myself" and think that looping might be just the thing for me! I'm interested in the Electrix Repeater. I've read all the archived posts, as well as the promo at the Electrix site. Can any of you folks who have a better handle on what the specs mean and/or have tried a demo version, give me an idea of the *probability* (I know about the vapor-ware phenomenon ) that this will be a good live looping box, particularly for a beginner? Thanks much, Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 16 21:05:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09919; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:04:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:04:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Hello ... and repeater info Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:03:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Elby, and "the list" I've been working pretty hard as of late (Repeater stuff) so I haven't been lyin low. (Although I am thinking of asking if I can borrow my girlfriends "personal massage unit"....) Anyway...I am going to post our first cut at the manual on our website next week in the "top secret zone". This should give anyone on the group a good idea of the inner workings of the Repeater. I'll post the link as soon as it's up! Back to work...... Best Regards, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix / IVL "No Creative Barriers" Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com -----Original Message----- From: Mountain Man [mailto:mtman@cloud9.net] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 5:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hello ... and repeater info Hi folks! I'm brand new to this list, and pleased to be joining such an august company ! :) I'm intrigued by the idea of live performance looping. Although I've never tried it, I do a lot of midi/audio "playing along with myself" and think that looping might be just the thing for me! I'm interested in the Electrix Repeater. I've read all the archived posts, as well as the promo at the Electrix site. Can any of you folks who have a better handle on what the specs mean and/or have tried a demo version, give me an idea of the *probability* (I know about the vapor-ware phenomenon ) that this will be a good live looping box, particularly for a beginner? Thanks much, Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 02:09:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15298; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 02:08:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 02:08:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01C03811.260CDAB0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: AW: Pre-determined aleatoric looping Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:54:20 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Like a real acoustic instrument. So each looping is > always a unique session and can not be recalled or > done a second time like that.A real human-machine interaction. sounds interesting. why don't you put some of it online as realaudio so we can hear it! = michael peters = electronic music & strange attractors = http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 02:38:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15722; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 02:37:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 02:37:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: G.M.Koenig and his Loops Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:33:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <138FAF0D3722D311BAD00000F8093163227E52@hdo-exchange.corporate.southam.ca> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's some article floating around LD or elsewhere describing Terry Riley actually getting the idea for the tape delay from a French engineer sometime in the fifties. Judging from the other-worldly sounds coming from early 20th-century _musique concrete_, that's not the only little secret that the creative folks at the "Tape Music Centre" had. | -----Original Message----- | From: Bailey, Jim [mailto:JBailey@corporate.southam.ca] | Sent: Monday 16 October 2000 9:55 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: RE: G.M.Koenig and his Loops | | | | > -----Original Message----- | > From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de [mailto:Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de] | > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 8:30 AM | > | > found an interesting interview with G.M.Koenig.In this interview he | > explains a lot of his electronic work in his busy | > times(1953-1959) at the | > electronic studio Cologne of the WDR Radio/TV-station. | | This is indeed interesting. Do you have the source for this? If | it's true, | it predates the use of this technique by Terry Riley, et al. at the San | Francisco Tape Music Centre, widely credited as the origin of | tape-delay. As | one who still uses this method, I'm intrigued. | | Jim Bailey | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 04:15:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA16784; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 04:14:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 04:14:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39EC0AA2.7A37B0F6@t-online.de> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:15:32 +0200 From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) Reply-To: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: G.M.Koenig Sources.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender: 0265142411-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello ! Some sources G.M.Koenig works: Aesthetische Praxis:Texte zur Musik Band 1-3(1954-1991) Volume 1 : ISBN 3-928654-03-9 (1954-1961) Volume 2 : ISBN 3-928654-04-7 (1962-1967) Volume 3 : ISBN 3-928654-05-5 (1968-1991) This three Volume contains the most of Koenigs commentary,thesis, explanations and interviews in one big bundle.From this source I also got the hint to Koenigs usage of loooping for the production in the electronic studio.Please don´t ask wich page and Volume ;-) ! Unfortunately it is -as far as I know- only released in the german language. Another source,could be the University of Utrecht/Netherlands. After his "Cologne"-time,he went to Utrecht and to work there at the Institute for Sonology at the University. The homepage of Koenig-also available in english http://home.wxs.nl/˜gkoenig Marty From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 04:29:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA16960; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 04:29:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 04:29:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39EC0DFB.F3EDBEB1@t-online.de> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:29:49 +0200 From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) Reply-To: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: AW:Pre-determined Aleatory Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0265142411-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Hmmmmm...?! Eventhough I use looping only in lifeperformances,I decided to record some of this pieces-during a live-event,to release it later on CD.I am already busy to find a collection of this pieces(segments), wich should appear on the CD.So please be patient.... My opinion is,that music should happen in present time.A record event is not able to transport the spirit and the mood of this event.It will be only a kind of nostalgia or flashback,but the real music is lost. It will mean at least,that I bootleg myself. Nevertheless I will jump over my own shadow and will "bootleg" the music. I trace it more as "Etude/Exercise/Example" for others interested in the topic of Looping. So this CD will come also with a Infomaterial for each track,wich describes the settings of my gear,used harmonic system and rhythmical arrangment within the Loops. With pre-determied aleatory/improvisation I try to express the following.It is like to buy a house.Pre-determined is the building for itself.The pure architecture.This is predetermined by the setting of my equipment. The Live event starts then,when I move to this house.Decide what wall- papers will be inside,what furniture and so on. So I am able to use the same raw house-same settings-for a totally different innerarchitecture-depending on the moment of decision and improvisation.This Midi-Controller-Loops add now the aleatory context to the piece/segment-because I never know,how the actual appearing sound will really be.I only have an idea of the possible quality of sound. Ouch,to much philosophy/theory ! Sorry ! Anyway,happy looping ! Marty (MP3 could be also an idea,I still have not thought over this possibility) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 13:42:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26466; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:41:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:41:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.6.58.129] From: "Mark Burin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Red Letter (was re: Performance setup) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:38:52 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2000 17:38:52.0786 (UTC) FILETIME=[1DB68D20:01C03861] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm from Ithaca, NY and we used to go see Red Letter. There are a tone of bands that came out of that time in Ithaca with many of the same players and lots of looping. You guys should check out Robbie Aceto. This cat is a loop master and he used to hang with Torn. Also, I'm looking for a Jamman if any one is selling one. MarkB. mlburin@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 13:56:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26809; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:55:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:55:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39EC922B.D95948B6@best.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:53:47 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: G.M.Koenig Sources.... References: <39EC0AA2.7A37B0F6@t-online.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For the English speaking looopers try this URL: http://home.wxs.nl/~gkoenig/indexe.html The "~" squigly character is important! -Allan Martin Tauchen wrote: > > Hello ! > > Some sources G.M.Koenig works: > ... > > The homepage of Koenig-also available in english > > http://home.wxs.nl/˜gkoenig > > Marty From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 15:05:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27830; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:03:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:03:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001017140127.00f55b60@midiwall.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:01:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, max-msp@cycling74.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: maxWerk - a loop-based MIDI composition tool Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *** *** Warning! Shameless plug below! *** *** (and it's cross-posted. please watch the replies!) *** We've been quiet for a while, but certainly not calm. maxWerk is coming. maxWerk is a MIDI based composition tool that works a little bit differently than things you may of seen before. maxWerk can change the way that you think about music composition. Well, we're _hoping_ that maxWerk will change the way that you think about music composition! The time is growing nearer, we're about ready to take the plunge and let folks play with what we've been up to. In the time while the product is coming into beta testing, there are now plenty of words up on the web site. We invite you to read through them and get a feel for what maxWerk is all about. If you're running on a Mac, you can have a look at the manual. It's in a "bound" format known as eDOC, which is only support on the Mac. This will be replaced by a PDF file image soon. I don't want to babble here too much... Hit the site, have a look, tell us what you think! Mark - being the pack leader for Amanda (maxWerk is the sole work of Amanda Pehlke and is being published under exclusive license by RedMoon Music) _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 19:20:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32451; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:19:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:19:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200010172319.QAA28879@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:19:27 -0700 Subject: Re: EDP's sighted/not heard & tibetan bowls To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, as mermenroadiesupremo i pretty much know what and how jim thomas does his thing...he uses the edp almost everyshow(not sure about that nite). he uses it for interludes between tunes, or intros to certain songs but i dont think it is ever part of the song itself-as far as turning it on/off/overdub, he uses (2) boss'fs-5u' on/off swithes right there next to his 'ground control units'-and for that beautiful,beefy,pristine tone his guitar signal is going straight to fender amp pre-amp(s) before going to analog/digital/mixer stuff-in our opinion the*only* way to get signal strengh to efx,etc...seeya,stanner ---------- >From: lance glover >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: EDP's sighted/not heard & tibetan bowls >Date: Thu, Oct 12, 2000, 12:02 PM > >gig report: > >caught the mermen (with bruce licher's band scenic) at the hollywood >knitting factory last night. both jim thomas and bassist jennifer (last >name not known by me...) had edp's in their (not insubstantial) rigs. >the only looping i heard (topic-friendly note) was through jim's signal >chain at just a few points; but i didn't notice any flickering of the >edp's display all evening. i asked him after the show (which was great >nonetheless- he is amazing at what he does) if he used the 'plex at all >& he insisted he did, but maybe only for a few moments...he seemed to be >controlling everything from a *ground control* unit, so i'm not sure how >much he was able to do with the edp anyway... his tone is quite pristine >& beautiful, tho it travels through tons of circuit before it hits the >amps... > >-lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 21:13:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01952; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:12:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:12:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: Yamaha AW4416 vs. Roland VS-1880: Recommendations? Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:10:49 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I'm currently wrestling with whether to buy a Yamaha AW4416 or Roland VS-1880. I was just wondering if any of you out there had either of these recorders and what your recommendations might be. What do you especially like or dislike about these boxes? Thanks in advance, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 21:24:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02174; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:23:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:23:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39ECFCD0.74386136@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:30:17 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT guitar geek-talk (was EDP's sighted/not heard) References: <200010172319.QAA28879@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7qGL0C.A.mh.MuP75@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > well, as mermenroadiesupremo i pretty much know what and how jim thomas does > his thing...he uses the edp almost everyshow(not sure about that nite). he > uses it for interludes between tunes, or intros to certain songs but i dont > think it is ever part of the song itself-as far as turning it > on/off/overdub, he uses (2) boss'fs-5u' on/off swithes right there next to > his 'ground control units'-and for that beautiful,beefy,pristine tone his > guitar signal is going straight to fender amp pre-amp(s) before going to > analog/digital/mixer stuff-in our opinion the*only* way to get signal > strengh to efx,etc...seeya,stanner > ---------- > well, the horse hath spoken :-) thanks for the response, stanner. come to think of it, the only way he could be getting such a juicy tone is straight into the jacks. are his amps modded at all (like, probably...)? again, apologies to those not interested in things guitaristic... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 22:28:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03206; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:27:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:27:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.197.116.216] From: "Dennis Coggia" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Help with me Loops! Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:26:26 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2000 02:26:26.0922 (UTC) FILETIME=[D10C64A0:01C038AA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Folks, I've been messin' with this for too long now so here goes: I have a jamman, a computer with cakewalk , cooledit and a few midi drum sequencing progs(fruity loops, etc), and a room full of assorted implements of noise. What I would love to do is save a loop as .Wav file or whatever, insert it into a Cakewalk track and use it to sync the Jamman . The problem I am having is stretching or compressing the file to fit a measure, especially percussive samples. Maybe I'm approaching this the wrong way? It seems to me that there should be a fairly easy way of doing this. Thanks everybody........Great List! Oh...Bonus Question I think I remember a-ways-back someone describing how to control a Jamman and a GP100 with a FC200 pedal. Could someone reply personally. That's another item that driving me nuts. mailto:spiraleyez@hotmail.com Keep it rollin' _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 22:36:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03420; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:35:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:35:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c038ac$3cdb28a0$10021b18@austin.rr.com> From: "Kevin Thomas" To: References: Subject: Re: Help with me Loops! Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:36:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, there is an easy way... buy sonic Foundry's Acid program (it's pretty cheap). drfuzz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Coggia" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 9:26 PM Subject: Help with me Loops! > Hi Folks, I've been messin' with this for too long now so here goes: I have > a jamman, a computer with cakewalk , cooledit and a few midi drum sequencing > progs(fruity loops, etc), and a room full of assorted implements of noise. > What I would love to do is save a loop as .Wav file or whatever, insert it > into a Cakewalk track and use it to sync the Jamman . The problem I am > having is stretching or compressing the file to fit a measure, especially > percussive samples. Maybe I'm approaching this the wrong way? It seems to me > that there should be a fairly easy way of doing this. > Thanks everybody........Great List! > > Oh...Bonus Question > I think I remember a-ways-back someone describing how to control a Jamman > and a GP100 with a FC200 pedal. Could someone reply personally. That's > another item that driving me nuts. > mailto:spiraleyez@hotmail.com > Keep it rollin' > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 03:09:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06621; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 03:07:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 03:07:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: jim@hemlock.violacea.com Message-ID: <39ED4BC6.84EDE1B8@jguru.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 01:05:42 -0600 From: Jim Coker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14-5.0.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yamaha AW4416 vs. Roland VS-1880: Recommendations? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kevin Mulvihill wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm currently wrestling with whether to buy a Yamaha AW4416 or Roland > VS-1880. I was just wondering if any of you out there had either of these > recorders and what your recommendations might be. What do you especially > like or dislike about these boxes? > > Thanks in advance, > Kevin The roland will be much cheaper. The Yamaha has much better specs, expandability, etc. I used an 01V for a while, and it is an extremely powerful mixer. Moving faders make things a lot easier on a digital mixer of any sort. There's a review of the AW4416 at Sound on Sound (www.sospubs.co.uk), but a subscription is required. If you can afford it, go for the AW4416. Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 04:22:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07367; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:20:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:20:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39ED5D8B.DC9A536D@t-online.de> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:21:32 +0200 From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) Reply-To: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: G.M.Koenig/Loop Source Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0265142411-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, In G.M.Koenigs Book:"Aesthetische Praxis-Band/Volume 3" on page 140 is an article wich is titled:"Eine Erfahrung,die mir unvergesslich bleiben wird"(An unforgettable experience). There he refers about his first electronic work,done with Tapeloops. In 1955,when he was at the Electronic Studio of Cologne,the Studiotechnican Heinz Schuetz,had developed a method,to record on one Tapeloop an increasing amount of Soundshifts.(A kind of maual/analog additive Synthesis).Well,this is pure looping. Mr.Koenig also mentions,that this was the first electronic composition he realized.So Mr.Koenigs first ars-electronica was done by looping. He wrote this article in 1971,it was published in :Elliot Schwarttz, ELECTRONIC MUSIC,London 1973 Marty From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 04:47:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07724; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:46:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:46:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01C038F0.819E8510.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: re: G.M.Koenig and his Loops Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:44:44 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom Ritchford wrote, > Now, > says: > >The two-machine tape delay and feedback system (which later evolved > >into Frippertronics and digital loop delays) was apparently > >developed by members of the San Francisco Tape Music Center. It is > >not clear who had the original idea, but it appears that it was Terry > >Riley. I wrote that in the little history article, but I'm not quite sure now. I had the chance to talk to Pauline Oliveros a year ago, and she said that some (anonymous) sound engineer had done the original setup for (Tape Music Center directors) Oliveros and Ramon Sender once. Riley apparently just took it up from them later. = michael peters = electronic music & strange attractors = http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 06:03:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08385; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:02:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:02:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c038ea$054b5660$996202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: Help with me Loops! Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:54:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, the easiest thing IMO is that you use Soundforge Acid. Throw all the loops there, set the tempo and export files. It'll automatically do timestretch. Perhaps you could just stick to Acid if you're working only with loops. I know that Acid has some midi features, but I can't help you with that 'cos I've never used them. Greetings, gregor >Hi Folks, I've been messin' with this for too long now so here goes: I have >a jamman, a computer with cakewalk , cooledit and a few midi drum sequencing >progs(fruity loops, etc), and a room full of assorted implements of noise. >What I would love to do is save a loop as .Wav file or whatever, insert it >into a Cakewalk track and use it to sync the Jamman . The problem I am >having is stretching or compressing the file to fit a measure, especially >percussive samples. Maybe I'm approaching this the wrong way? It seems to me >that there should be a fairly easy way of doing this. >Thanks everybody........Great List! > >Oh...Bonus Question >I think I remember a-ways-back someone describing how to control a Jamman >and a GP100 with a FC200 pedal. Could someone reply personally. That's >another item that driving me nuts. >mailto:spiraleyez@hotmail.com >Keep it rollin' From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 08:38:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09563; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:37:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:37:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39ED99A7.BC3B6697@t-online.de> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:38:01 +0200 From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) Reply-To: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Interview with Konrad Boehmer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0265142411-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <25fddC.A.TVC.clZ75@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, for those interested in the early days of the elctronic Studio of Cologne,there is an Interview with Konrad Boehmer about that time. http://www.furious.com/perfect/ohm/eimert.html Not a looping related interview,but an interesting and amusing short insight to the early days of electronic music. Marty From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 09:42:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10207; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:41:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:41:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:38:59 EDT Subject: Re: Help with me Loops! : time comp/exp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <6Ji5n.A.JfC.iha75@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com drfuzz@austin.rr.com writes: >Yes, there is an easy way... buy sonic Foundry's Acid program (it's pretty >cheap). or, ye could get a runtime version of ACiD on the new SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH cd! *-) add'ly, there are other pathways to time compression/expansion: LogicAudio, ReaKToR, ProSoniq's TimeFactory, Serato's Pitch'n'Time, etc. (ReCyCle has an interesting approach to this technique, primarily for ridmics.....) (fwiw: me, i use Logic, ReaKToR, ACiD.....) best, dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL In stores & online NOW (artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, etc) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD / vinyl; 65 minute EP--- remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) On CeLLDiviSioN/75Ark: http://www.75ark.com SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Dennis Coggia" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 9:26 PM > >Subject: Help with me Loops! > > > > > >> Hi Folks, I've been messin' with this for too long now so here goes: >I > >have > >> a jamman, a computer with cakewalk , cooledit and a few midi drum > >sequencing > >> progs(fruity loops, etc), and a room full of assorted implements of noise. > >> What I would love to do is save a loop as .Wav file or whatever, insert > >it > >> into a Cakewalk track and use it to sync the Jamman . The problem I >am > >> having is stretching or compressing the file to fit a measure, especially > >> percussive samples. Maybe I'm approaching this the wrong way? It seems >to > >me > >> that there should be a fairly easy way of doing this. > >> Thanks everybody........Great List! > >> > >> Oh...Bonus Question > >> I think I remember a-ways-back someone describing how to control a Jamman > >> and a GP100 with a FC200 pedal. Could someone reply personally. That's > >> another item that driving me nuts. > >> mailto:spiraleyez@hotmail.com > >> Keep it rollin' > >> _________________________________________________________________________ > >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >> > >> Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > >> http://profiles.msn.com. > >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 09:59:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10411; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:58:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:58:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:56:49 -0700 Subject: Looping performance: Electrochakra @ Hana's Lounge 10/22 (Seattle, WA) From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Electrochakra will be performing at Hana's Lounge (1914 8th Avenue) Seattle, WA between 3 and 6PM this Sunday October 22nd. We cannot guarantee that the fire dancers of our last performance at this venue will be present. Be seeing you Travis Hartnett Electrochakra -- MP3's and calendar of upcoming shows available at: www.mp3.com/electrochakra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 10:11:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10629; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:10:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:10:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: McCullaghJ@Logica.com Subject: Re: Help with me Loops! (and plugs..) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:08:56 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 18/10/2000 15:08:59 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis: > stretching or compressing the file to fit a measure ACiD is built for this and you can't beat it, but AudioMulch will also stretch loops to any number of bars at any tempo (using the Loop Player contraption) .. and it's free ! (it's in beta testing) .. www.audiomulch.com .. Mark: > maxWerk is coming. named after the stuff in Michael Marshall Smith's novel "Spares" ? J. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 10:35:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11037; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:33:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:33:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: Help with me Loops! (and plugs..) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:31:25 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 10/18/2000 09:31:26 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > stretching or compressing the file to fit a measure ACID definitely is the easiest to manage, though with using your own loops, pay special attention to the "Properties" section as you import them: some screwed up things can happen if you make a four-beat loop stretch to 32. Fiddle with the loop-type setting, too. I've found that sometimes pasting a "One Shot" loop over and over again sounds much better than the same wave file set as a Loop. Try turning off the Transposition function. If the original loop is in the key of the project you're working on, there's no reason to have it on--you'll often hear a significant difference. Also, mess around with the stretch points. Often ACID will do a good job, but sometimes that live loop you plugged in--especially if you're as rhythmically inconsistent as I am--feels a lot better with fewer stretch points. Try forcing the stretch at eighth, quarter or whole notes, rather than sixteenth or higher as is usual. Plus, if you really need to, you can drag around the beat markers to better fit the individual loop. And then, after you've tried everything (doesn't Cakewalk have a Quantize Audio function? I think it does. Have you tried that?) and the loop still will not stretch without phasing or other digital artifacts (which are sometimes outright cool), dump it into your favorite audio editor (I use Sound Forge) and work on it on a waveform by waveform basis. As you zoom in, you should be able to discern where one waveform stops and another begins: the shape changes. Need to shorten your loop? Find a set of three or four cycles of the waveform that look the same ("cycle" being a full trip, from crossing the zero-line or x-axis, playing through a pattern and then repeating). Highlight one or two--making sure you capture the start and stop of your highlighted section right at the zero-crossing--and hit delete. Need it longer? Highlight the same section (try to use a series of wave cycles, three or four in a row--I've found you lose timber by using just one) copy and then paste. Magic. Takes a while, but it's the most natural sounding compression/expansion you'll ever hear. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 11:34:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11656; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:33:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:33:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:31:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Yamaha AW4416 vs. Roland VS-1880: Recommendations? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm in the same boat, looking at all the pretty 16tracks out there... I was veering towards the Akai until i saw the Yamaha. I know the 01V is somewhat of an industry standard, and i think the 4416's mixer section is based off the 01V. My big wish is for scrubbing. I've gotten accustomed to cutting and pasting on my current unit (Fostex DMT8vl) by 'listening' and setting my locators. i'm still getting used to this waveform editing thing. I may be wrong, but i don't think the 1880 does 'scrubbing'. I have heard that the 4416 does, and that the Akai does as well. I got to see the 4416 last week for the first time, rather than just seeing pictures, and it's a really nice looking machine. Heftier price tag, sure, but it looks like a good working interface. It's on my wish list for next year... God, by that time they'll probably have portable 48 tracks with built in DVD burners.... I catch myself wondering...If you walked into a music store 15 years ago and said, "Hi, i would like a 16track recorder with 4 stereo effects processors, midi synching, mastering ability, virtual tracks, backup ability, scrubbing, mic pre's, phantom power, and direct cd burning...oh, and i want to save and recall my routing, eq, and fx setups...and i don't want to spend more than $3,000..." you would hear the laughing all the way back to your car. rich >Hi all, > >I'm currently wrestling with whether to buy a Yamaha AW4416 or Roland >VS-1880. I was just wondering if any of you out there had either of these >recorders and what your recommendations might be. What do you especially >like or dislike about these boxes? > >Thanks in advance, >Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 13:00:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12766; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:53:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:53:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39E809AC.E3FD9257@t-online.de> References: <39E77EEA.1ADE906D@best.com> <39E809AC.E3FD9257@t-online.de> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:54:39 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Noises through pickups (rather gongs...) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This may be off topic a bit, but its very interesting: I am aware of our capacity to complete fundamentals. I just dont understand why bowls should not vibrate them? Too low? But how about a smaller bowl? What did the old cat hear? >So true, eventhough this low tone is not really produced, nevertheless >we can "hear" it. >The reason is simple. Our ears can also be tricked-or missinterpret- >an acoustic effect, like our visible recognition. >In this case,we hear from a bell all overtones/harmonics,but the >"Base Tone" is physical missing. Our brain now adds this missing >first harmonic to the reall appearing overtones and so we hear also >this low base-overtone of the harmonic spectrum of the bell. > >This effect is also used for such devices like Subharmonic Exciters and >Psychoacoustic-effects devices.Bring in the sound more bass,without >changing the volume of a signal. > >Allan Hoeltje schrieb: > > Second, someone here (don't remember who and it's been deleted) said it >> is physically impossible for singing bowls to produce the low tone that >> you hear. Maybe what they really meant was "physically incredible" >> because, since you _do_ hear the tone, it is indeed possible. I >> remember some years ago reading about bells and the mathematical formula >> for determining the "perceived" fundamental frequency. The word >> perceived is important here because bells are not like organ pipes or >> strings. Organ pipes and strings actually produce their fundamental >> tone. Bells do not. >> >> Bells produce overtones of what we perceive to be the fundamental tone. >> This is were my memory escapes me but I seem to remember that a bell >> produces a low frequency vibration which is below human hearing and >> overtones which we do hear. It is the sums and differences of this >> inaudible low tone and the interaction with the overtones which produce >> the perceived fundamental. This is also why the sound of a bell seems >> to come not from the bell but from the space around it. No mystical >> mystery, just nature being its wondrous self. :-) >> >> Third, I have not procured a real Tibetan singing bowl yet but last >> night I was feeding my two cats. One of their bowls is a 6" stainless >> steel bowl. It dawned on me that it came from a set of six bowls of >> increasing size up to 16" in diameter. Imagine my surprise when I took >> a wooden potato masher and rubbed the edge of the 16" bowl with just the >> right circular motion. My 18 year old cat is stone deaf but he stared >> at me mesmerized by the intense low sound emanating from the bowl - it >> was probably the first thing he has "heard" in years! I am sure >> stainless steel is no substitute for high quality bronze alloy so I can >> only imagine what a real 16" singing bowl must be like. >> >> Anyway, once again the folks on Looper's Delight have directed my sonic >> fascination on to a new and exciting tangent. Singing bowls are now on >> my "must get" list of looper gear. Thanks to all who have contributed! >> >> -Allan -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 13:14:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13124; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:13:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:13:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:10:52 +0200 Subject: Suspicion Breeds Confidence/Berlin 21st of October From: Tobias Schmitt To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mondwasser comic exhibition, Berlin, Germany. Supporting this exhibition Suspicion Breeds Confidence and Nordlicher will perform on the 21st of October 00. Additional information/details: http://www.redroommusik.de/html/events.html Thank you for your attention Tobias acrylnimbus - suspicion breeds confidence - tot mischstab,i. http://www.acrylnimbus.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 13:28:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13402; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:27:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:27:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: Noises through pickups (rather gongs...) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:24:19 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 10/18/2000 12:24:19 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I just dont understand why bowls should not vibrate them? Yes, the tones are too low for the bowl to physically produce them. If you think about it, bass notes are pretty darn large airwaves and therefore require pretty darn large instruments to produce them. At 20Hz, the wavelength is 56 feet long. There's just no way a bowl 20" wide weighing eight pounds can move that much air with enough energy to produce the tone. Imagine how much more difficult it is to move 56 feet of air than, say, a mere 2.47 feet for a 440Hz A note. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 13:44:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13618; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:42:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:42:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: RE: Help with me Loops! (and plugs..) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:39:59 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 10/18/2000 12:39:58 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whoops. Replied to the individual, not the group. Sorry. ----- Forwarded by Lindsay Graham/Pavestone on 10/18/00 12:22 PM ----- Lindsay Graham To: 10/18/00 10:40 cc: AM Subject: RE: Help with me Loops! (and plugs..) (Document link: Lindsay Graham) >Damn! These are good tricks. I have Acid Pro, >but never thought of trying these. >Thank you very much for your witties, and if >you have more, please, do share. Well, I will never profess to being an ACID guru (I'll leave that to Timothy Leary), but here's another thing I've found useful: Often, when I decide to add reverb to a wave file I'm turning into a loop--and this can be with outboard gear or with software plug-ins--when I finish up and try out the loop, several things happen: 1.) the reverb decay tail extends past the last beat mark of the loop, and 2.) the beginning of the loop sounds very dry--abruptly so--when it comes back around. Here's my solution: back in Sound Forge (or Cool Edit or Wave Lab...), find the rhythmic end-point of the loop. Lets say we're at 120 bpm, and it's an eight-beat loop, so that would be 4 seconds from the start. Sound Forge (and others, too, maybe) has the ability to display the time in measures and beats, which I find useful, provided you give it the right tempo to calculate them from. Find the closest zero-crossing to the four-second mark. Select all audio from that point on, until the end of the reverb decay. Cut it (not delete). Go to the front of your loop, at 0:00:00. Paste Special (not just paste) what you just cut--I forget what the actual Paste Special option is, but it's something like "Add both sections 100%" or something. You're basically layering the end of the reverb decay onto the front of the loop, so that when the loop comes around, the decay continues, without that awful empty feeling you get when the loop begins again, dry as a bone. I don't know how well this whole ACID string fits in with the gestalt of the group, but hey, I was asked. "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Help with me Loops! (and plugs..) 10/18/00 10:07 AM Please respond to gnominus Damn! These are good tricks. I have Acid Pro, but never thought of trying these. Thank you very much for your witties, and if you have more, please, do share. Javier Berkeley | -----Original Message----- | From: lindsay@pavestone.com [mailto:lindsay@pavestone.com] | Sent: Wednesday 18 October 2000 7:31 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: Re: Help with me Loops! (and plugs..) | | | | > stretching or compressing the file to fit a measure | | ACID definitely is the easiest to manage, though with using | your own loops, | pay special attention to the "Properties" section as you import | them: some | screwed up things can happen if you make a four-beat loop stretch to 32. | Fiddle with the loop-type setting, too. I've found that | sometimes pasting | a "One Shot" loop over and over again sounds much better than | the same wave | file set as a Loop. Try turning off the Transposition function. If the | original loop is in the key of the project you're working on, there's no | reason to have it on--you'll often hear a significant difference. Also, | mess around with the stretch points. Often ACID will do a good job, but | sometimes that live loop you plugged in--especially if you're as | rhythmically inconsistent as I am--feels a lot better with fewer stretch | points. Try forcing the stretch at eighth, quarter or whole | notes, rather | than sixteenth or higher as is usual. Plus, if you really need | to, you can | drag around the beat markers to better fit the individual loop. | | And then, after you've tried everything (doesn't Cakewalk have | a Quantize | Audio function? I think it does. Have you tried that?) and | the loop still | will not stretch without phasing or other digital artifacts (which are | sometimes outright cool), dump it into your favorite audio editor (I use | Sound Forge) and work on it on a waveform by waveform basis. | As you zoom | in, you should be able to discern where one waveform stops and another | begins: the shape changes. Need to shorten your loop? Find a | set of three | or four cycles of the waveform that look the same ("cycle" being a full | trip, from crossing the zero-line or x-axis, playing through a | pattern and | then repeating). Highlight one or two--making sure you capture | the start | and stop of your highlighted section right at the zero-crossing--and hit | delete. Need it longer? Highlight the same section (try to | use a series | of wave cycles, three or four in a row--I've found you lose | timber by using | just one) copy and then paste. Magic. Takes a while, but it's the most | natural sounding compression/expansion you'll ever hear. | | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 13:56:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13940; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:54:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:54:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39EDE35D.9DE119EA@best.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:52:29 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Noises through pickups (rather gongs...) References: <39E77EEA.1ADE906D@best.com> <39E809AC.E3FD9257@t-online.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias Grob wrote: > What did the old cat hear? Probably the very low and the very high frequencies - he certainly does not respond to normal hand claps and name calling! ("Get off the table, Chili, off, off!!" - nope, just doesn't work! :-) lindsay@pavestone.com wrote: > Yes, the tones are too low for the bowl to physically produce them. If you > think about it, bass notes are pretty darn large airwaves and therefore > require pretty darn large instruments to produce them. At 20Hz, the > wavelength is 56 feet long. There's just no way a bowl 20" wide weighing > eight pounds can move that much air with enough energy to produce the tone. > Imagine how much more difficult it is to move 56 feet of air than, say, a > mere 2.47 feet for a 440Hz A note. Something is making the sound. It must be the combined energy of the audible frequencies that move the 56 feet of air. I tend to think of the bell and the space around it as the whole instrument. The bell acts as the actuator and the space as the resonating chamber. -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 14:39:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14879; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:38:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:38:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Psychoacoustics (was: Noises through pickups (rather gongs...)) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:35:33 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 10/18/2000 01:35:32 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Something is making the sound. Actually, nothing is making the sound. It's a psychoacoustic effect. We're programmed to hear a fundamental and a series of overtones. When some of that information is missing, we're able to synthesize it, even though it does not physically exist. It's been mentioned before in previous postings, but it's this effect that aural exciters use to their advantage to produce more harmonics and bigger bass, without altering the actual level of the program material. Same with tiny bookshelf speakers that produce an amazing amount of bass. It's just not there, though you will hear it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 15:49:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16142; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:48:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:48:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001018194756.18127.qmail@web110.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:47:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Noises through pickups (rather gongs...) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I too question the assertion that the singing bowls don't generate the low fundamental that is heard. Based on the recent posts on these bowls I went to the Tibet shop in Boulder and tried many of the bowls. I believe they do radiate the low fundmental that we hear. I felt the low tone in my hands as well. I am confident that an oscilloscope, spectrum analyzer, or frequency counter would support that. I bought a small bowl, and will try to measure the fundamental. bret --- Matthias Grob wrote: > This may be off topic a bit, but its very interesting: > I am aware of our capacity to complete fundamentals. > I just dont understand why bowls should not vibrate them? > Too low? But how about a smaller bowl? > What did the old cat hear? > > >So true, eventhough this low tone is not really produced, > nevertheless > >we can "hear" it. > >The reason is simple. Our ears can also be tricked-or missinterpret- > >an acoustic effect, like our visible recognition. > >In this case,we hear from a bell all overtones/harmonics,but the > >"Base Tone" is physical missing. Our brain now adds this missing > >first harmonic to the reall appearing overtones and so we hear also > >this low base-overtone of the harmonic spectrum of the bell. > > > >This effect is also used for such devices like Subharmonic Exciters > and > >Psychoacoustic-effects devices.Bring in the sound more bass,without > >changing the volume of a signal. > > > >Allan Hoeltje schrieb: > > > Second, someone here (don't remember who and it's been deleted) > said it > >> is physically impossible for singing bowls to produce the low > tone that > >> you hear. Maybe what they really meant was "physically > incredible" > >> because, since you _do_ hear the tone, it is indeed possible. I > >> remember some years ago reading about bells and the mathematical > formula > >> for determining the "perceived" fundamental frequency. The word > >> perceived is important here because bells are not like organ > pipes or > >> strings. Organ pipes and strings actually produce their > fundamental > >> tone. Bells do not. > >> > >> Bells produce overtones of what we perceive to be the fundamental > tone. > >> This is were my memory escapes me but I seem to remember that a > bell > >> produces a low frequency vibration which is below human hearing > and > >> overtones which we do hear. It is the sums and differences of > this > >> inaudible low tone and the interaction with the overtones which > produce > >> the perceived fundamental. This is also why the sound of a bell > seems > >> to come not from the bell but from the space around it. No > mystical > >> mystery, just nature being its wondrous self. :-) > >> > >> Third, I have not procured a real Tibetan singing bowl yet but > last > >> night I was feeding my two cats. One of their bowls is a 6" > stainless > >> steel bowl. It dawned on me that it came from a set of six bowls > of > >> increasing size up to 16" in diameter. Imagine my surprise when > I took > >> a wooden potato masher and rubbed the edge of the 16" bowl with > just the > >> right circular motion. My 18 year old cat is stone deaf but he > stared > >> at me mesmerized by the intense low sound emanating from the bowl > - it > >> was probably the first thing he has "heard" in years! I am sure > >> stainless steel is no substitute for high quality bronze alloy so > I can > >> only imagine what a real 16" singing bowl must be like. > >> > >> Anyway, once again the folks on Looper's Delight have directed my > sonic > >> fascination on to a new and exciting tangent. Singing bowls are > now on > >> my "must get" list of looper gear. Thanks to all who have > contributed! > >> > >> -Allan > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 16:41:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17166; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:39:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:39:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "CARSON ROBERTELLA" To: Subject: Fruity Loops 2.7 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:37:25 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was wondering if anyone else out there has been using fruity loops? It is a GREAT!! software based sequencer that has loads of onboard effects as well as compatibility with direct x plugging. You can load your own samples into the sequencer or use some of the preset sounds that come with the software. There is oscillators, LFO settings for the volume, cutoff, resonance ect, comes with on board synths, it can mimic the 303's found on rebirth. I have been using Fruity Loops for about a 6 months now, and could not consider making electronic loop based music without it. I generally use it for about 60% of my production and then import the Mix down into Cakewalk for finishing touches. I import most of my synth loops directly into Fruity Loops from a Roland JP 8000. I cant say enough about Fruity Loops at this time. It works very well with ACID. Infact it even saves the loops ACIDIZED. I am currently working on a new CD (electronica stuff) that will be up on mp3.com soon. I'll send the link when I get some tunes up. If you want to check out some of my other more traditional real time ambient work carson@belyeapower.com Belyea Co., Inc. Tel: (610) 515-8775 Fax: (610) 258-1230 CHECK OUT OUR WEBSITE AT: www.belyeapower.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 16:52:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17208; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:41:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:41:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: Noises through pickups (rather gongs...) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:38:28 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 10/18/2000 03:38:28 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I am confident that an oscilloscope, spectrum analyzer, or frequency counter would support that. I'd love to hear the results of your test! I fear that you will have difficulty with just an oscilloscope because of the extraordinarily complex nature of the bowl's harmonics. Like a drum or a bell, the bowl will probably produce hundreds of harmonics, at very odd intervals. I've been trying to find a method of determining the fundamental of a bell--looking for research on the web--but have only come across something that mentions that it is the lip of the bell that produces the "hum tone" or lowest fundamental. If I could figure out the means to translate lip diameter to fundamental tone, well, we'd have our answer. If that fundamental was higher than what we hear as the lowest component, then we'd know if it was a psychoacoustic effect. If not, then I'll eat crow. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 17:16:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17831; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:15:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:15:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001018211349.11989.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:13:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: OT-fundamentals in sound (was singing bowls) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lindsay, Sound is not 'moving air'. Sound is compression and rarefaction of air. The difficulty with creating low frequency sound in air is not that you have to 'move' the air, but that you have to 'compress' and 'decompress (rarefact)' the air, at a given frequency. This is difficult because of the impedance mismatch between a vibrating object (say a raw unmounted speaker cone) and the air. That is, they do not couple well (it is an inefficient transfer of mechanical movement to compression of air). Speaker box design helps to 'couple' the speaker to the air so that the speaker cone movement 'compresses' the air. Horn speakers are the highest efficiency because they assist in coupling the air to the driver movement. The horn diaphragm can be small, but if the horn couples the diaphragm to the air well it can create high spl at low frequencies (with small movement of the cone, ala Klipsch). This conversion is more efficient in a horn speaker than a raw speaker. These pressure waves in air (we call sound) radiate like the waves created in a pond when a rock is dropped into still water. In water the waves radiate as a widening circle around the point of origin (until disturbed by objects in the water, or until they dissipate all their energy). In air, sound pressure waves radiate and expand outwardly in spheres of compression and rarefaction radiating from the point of origin (until disturbed by objects, or until they dissipate all their energy). A bowl 20" wide has a circumference of about 62.8". I don't know how high your bowl is, but let's say it is 4" high, and let's say it is a cylinder shape. So, the surface area of this bowl is about 251 square inches. A 15" Loudspeaker has less than 176 square inches. So, the surface area of a 20" bowl is greater than that of a 15" Loudspeaker. I can feel the intense, low freq vibration of these bowls in my hands, much like I feel the intense vibration of my 15" bass speaker, and like I feel the intense low freq vibration in gongs that I have. These gongs are only about 12" in diameter (about 113 square inches of area). These small gongs generate a VERY LARGE, LOUD, LOW Freq sound that I both hear and FEEL with my skin. The singing bowls radiating surface is shaped in a cylinder, or in rounded bowls somewhat spherical (excluding the top and bottom of the bowl). This would assist the bowl in efficiently radiating the spheres of compression and rarefaction we call sound. With an oscilloscope I will measure the low frequency generated by my small bowl (~6" diameter) to see if my assertion is correct (that the bowls truly do generate these low fundamentals that we hear). bret --- lindsay@pavestone.com wrote: > > >I just dont understand why bowls should not vibrate them? > > Yes, the tones are too low for the bowl to physically produce them. > If you > think about it, bass notes are pretty darn large airwaves and > therefore > require pretty darn large instruments to produce them. At 20Hz, the > wavelength is 56 feet long. There's just no way a bowl 20" wide > weighing > eight pounds can move that much air with enough energy to produce the > tone. > Imagine how much more difficult it is to move 56 feet of air than, > say, a > mere 2.47 feet for a 440Hz A note. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 17:31:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18056; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:27:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:27:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:30:18 +0000 Subject: Re: OT-fundamentals in sound (was singing bowls) From: kevin To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20001018211349.11989.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Bret: Just wanted to let you know, that was a great reply! Clear, straightforward...what can we say? Your explanation of the link between sound and air moved us! Best, Roctologists aka LoOpdOctOrs on 10/18/00 9:13 PM, Bret at echoplex@yahoo.com wrote: > Lindsay, > Sound is not 'moving air'. > Sound is compression and rarefaction of air. The difficulty with > creating low frequency sound in air is not that you have to 'move' the > air, but that you have to 'compress' and 'decompress (rarefact)' the > air, at a given frequency. > > This is difficult because of the impedance mismatch between a vibrating > object (say a raw unmounted speaker cone) and the air. That is, they > do not couple well (it is an inefficient transfer of mechanical > movement to compression of air). Speaker box design helps to 'couple' > the speaker to the air so that the speaker cone movement 'compresses' > the air. > Horn speakers are the highest efficiency because they assist in > coupling the air to the driver movement. The horn diaphragm can be > small, but if the horn couples the diaphragm to the air well it can > create high spl at low frequencies (with small movement of the cone, > ala Klipsch). This conversion is more efficient in a horn speaker than > a raw speaker. > > These pressure waves in air (we call sound) radiate like the waves > created in a pond when a rock is dropped into still water. In water > the waves radiate as a widening circle around the point of origin > (until disturbed by objects in the water, or until they dissipate all > their energy). In air, sound pressure waves radiate and expand > outwardly in spheres of compression and rarefaction radiating from the > point of origin (until disturbed by objects, or until they dissipate > all their energy). > > A bowl 20" wide has a circumference of about 62.8". I don't know how > high your bowl is, but let's say it is 4" high, and let's say it is a > cylinder shape. So, the surface area of this bowl is about 251 square > inches. A 15" Loudspeaker has less than 176 square inches. > > So, the surface area of a 20" bowl is greater than that of a 15" > Loudspeaker. > > I can feel the intense, low freq vibration of these bowls in my hands, > much like I feel the intense vibration of my 15" bass speaker, and like > I feel the intense low freq vibration in gongs that I have. These > gongs are only about 12" in diameter (about 113 square inches of area). > These small gongs generate a VERY LARGE, LOUD, LOW Freq sound that I > both hear and FEEL with my skin. > > The singing bowls radiating surface is shaped in a cylinder, or in > rounded bowls somewhat spherical (excluding the top and bottom of the > bowl). This would assist the bowl in efficiently radiating the spheres > of compression and rarefaction we call sound. > > With an oscilloscope I will measure the low frequency generated by my > small bowl (~6" diameter) to see if my assertion is correct (that the > bowls truly do generate these low fundamentals that we hear). > bret > > --- lindsay@pavestone.com wrote: >> >>> I just dont understand why bowls should not vibrate them? >> >> Yes, the tones are too low for the bowl to physically produce them. >> If you >> think about it, bass notes are pretty darn large airwaves and >> therefore >> require pretty darn large instruments to produce them. At 20Hz, the >> wavelength is 56 feet long. There's just no way a bowl 20" wide >> weighing >> eight pounds can move that much air with enough energy to produce the >> tone. >> Imagine how much more difficult it is to move 56 feet of air than, >> say, a >> mere 2.47 feet for a 440Hz A note. >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 17:33:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18237; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:32:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:32:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <57.c73fffa.271f70a7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:31:19 EDT Subject: Re: Red Letter (was re: Performance setup) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 86 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Red Letter; "True North" is available through Alchemy Records at Alchemyrecords.com this is the ex-label of Robby Aceto where he put out "Code"... Robby Aceto signing off from the road.. currently out touring in the U.S.with the TomTom Club best, RA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 17:36:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18333; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:35:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:35:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: OT-fundamentals in sound (was singing bowls) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:33:00 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 10/18/2000 04:32:59 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not claiming to be an acoustic engineer. So, I will already admit defeat if that's what's due me. However, I think there is a fallacy between drawing a similarity between the way a resonating cone or half-sphere (like a bowl) produces sound and that produced by the two-way excursion of a rigid cone (a speaker). The surface area argument just doesn't feel right to me when we're not talking about excursion, but rather a three-dimensional resonance. And for right now, "feel" is all I've got. I'm still looking, though. Will someone with a real working knowledge of this take the baton? I'm foundlessly proselytizing and Bret threatens to beat me with a bigger stick than I'd care to take. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 17:59:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18854; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:58:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:58:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39EE1D12.58C108F@hoover-keith.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:58:43 -0500 From: "Ryan D. Supak" X-Sender: "Ryan D. Supak" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT-fundamentals in sound (was singing bowls) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i am an acoustics engineer (honest, check hoover-keith.com!) firstly, anything can theoretically generate any frequency (e.g. i can generate a 10 hz tone by tapping my fingers 10 times per second on a paper plate.) ****ultra-simplified resonance theory**** however, any resonating object can only have two of these three qualities: 1) small size 2) high efficiency 3) large low frequency emission thus, a small bowl *can* generate, say, a 35Hz fundamental, albeit extremely inefficiently (assuming modern materials, 12.5 PSI, sea level, typical acoustic space, etc...) on the contrary, in theory, a ~35 foot bowl (about the size of a 35 Hz wave, i think) would produce a 35 Hz tone *extremely* efficiently. for practical purposes, the small bowl doesn't generate much of the fundamental bass tone. most of what we hear will probably be overtones. but it does generate the fundamental. does this make sense? rs (np: Wendy Carlos - "Death on the Elegy of Queen Mary II") From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 18:13:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19236; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:12:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:12:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001018221138.7803.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:11:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: OT-fundamentals in sound (was singing bowls) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Linsay, Sorry, not trying to beat you with a stick, but rather trying to understand the physics of what is occuring. I was intrigued by the comments made last week, and my initial experience of the bowls caused me to doubt the assertions. The only similarity of the cone and bowl that I was trying to make was radiating surface area. I addressed that because of the assertion that the bowl was too small to generate the low fundamental. I have built loudspeaker enclosures for the past 30 years. A major lessen I learned is that what we think is a rigid box, actually radiates a considerable amount of sound. One would think that the seemingly rigid box could flex such a tiny amount that it would not radiate much sound. However, the surface area of the boxes panels are quite large compared to the surface area of the speaker cones, so that a small movement in the box wall contributes considerably to the radiate sound field. This is why companies like Bowers and Wilkins (B&W) go to such extremes as using laser interferometry to analyze loudspeker walls' miniscule vibrations. This lead to them developing fibercrete walls (fiberglass and concrete) and heavely ribbed walls to make the structure so rigid that the movement is minimized. Cleary the modes of vibrations of the bowl and cone loudspeaker are very different. In the bowl, resonances are desired and required to create the sound. In the cone, we don't want modal vibrations, but rather piston action (to create the pressure/rarefaction). Again, comanyies (like B&W) analyze the vibrational modes of diaphragms to see if there are modal vibrations and design them out. I may be full of shit, but we can measure this easily and not worry about our beliefs and opinions. I would love to try a 20" bowl. I haven't seen one that large locally. Some of the smaller ones I tried had so much vibrational energy (the sound kind, not the new age kind) I could hardly hold and play them for much time. They made my hands buzz afterword. regards, bret --- lindsay@pavestone.com wrote: > > I'm not claiming to be an acoustic engineer. So, I will already > admit > defeat if that's what's due me. However, I think there is a fallacy > between drawing a similarity between the way a resonating cone or > half-sphere (like a bowl) produces sound and that produced by the > two-way > excursion of a rigid cone (a speaker). The surface area argument > just > doesn't feel right to me when we're not talking about excursion, but > rather > a three-dimensional resonance. And for right now, "feel" is all I've > got. > I'm still looking, though. > > Will someone with a real working knowledge of this take the baton? > I'm > foundlessly proselytizing and Bret threatens to beat me with a bigger > stick > than I'd care to take. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 18:56:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20020; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:47:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:47:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:45:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: OT-fundamentals in sound (was singing bowls) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, if the contestants want to bow out, no problems here. But i think the audience is enjoying the contest...whether anybody's getting thrashed or not. Seriously, i have been enjoying this thread. I was afraid it was going to degenerate into "oh, there's more stuff we're supposed to buy", but having it mutate into theories of psychoacoustics has been informative and refreshing... thanks for your input. now would somebody pull out their "Repeater" stick and beat this list back into purchasing mode? Damon? rich ps. anybody know if Larry Tremblay wandered off list? must say i miss being beaten with Larry's 'historical accuracy' stick now and then... >I'm not claiming to be an acoustic engineer. So, I will already admit >defeat if that's what's due me. However, I think there is a fallacy >between drawing a similarity between the way a resonating cone or >half-sphere (like a bowl) produces sound and that produced by the two-way >excursion of a rigid cone (a speaker). The surface area argument just >doesn't feel right to me when we're not talking about excursion, but rather >a three-dimensional resonance. And for right now, "feel" is all I've got. >I'm still looking, though. > >Will someone with a real working knowledge of this take the baton? I'm >foundlessly proselytizing and Bret threatens to beat me with a bigger stick >than I'd care to take. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 18:57:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20331; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:54:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:54:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001018225346.16010.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:53:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: OT-fundamentals in sound (was singing bowls) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "Ryan D. Supak" wrote: > i am an acoustics engineer (honest, check hoover-keith.com!) > > firstly, anything can theoretically generate any frequency (e.g. i > can > generate a 10 hz tone by tapping my fingers 10 times per second on a > paper plate.) > > ****ultra-simplified resonance theory**** > > however, any resonating object can only have two of these three > qualities: > 1) small size > 2) high efficiency > 3) large low frequency emission > > thus, a small bowl *can* generate, say, a 35Hz fundamental, albeit > extremely inefficiently (assuming modern materials, 12.5 PSI, sea > level, > typical acoustic space, etc...) Ryan, I basically agree with what you say here. The terms small, high, and large are very general terms, as you said these are simplified principles. I encountered this trade-off between smallness, efficiency, low freq output with the Thiele/Small loudspeaker enclosure design principles. The point is that there are trade-offs between these 3 metrics. In the Thiele/Small world the notions of small, efficient, and low freq output are looked at in a relative, not absolute way. That is, if you have box design of X cubic feet, and you make it smaller, you will diminish one of the other 2 parameters (you will either loose efficiency, or low frequency output, or some of both). So how small a bowl is too small to be (physically) able to create the low freq, loud (vague terms) sound we hear from the bowls, with the amount of energy we apply to the bowls? Is a 15" loudspeaker cone small? The 20" bowls vibrating surface is larger than the speaker size that is commonly used for generating loud, low freq. I have casually mapped the vibrating surface and it seems to be virtually the entire sides of the bowl, down to the start of the base. The bowl is small, but the radiating surface of the bowl seems large to me. But small and large are relative terms, aren't they? Regarding efficiency, I cannot say how efficient the bowls are. As you play them you constantly put energy into them. I make no claims for the bowls efficiency, but they could be inefficient (and per stated principles) and still be loud and low freq. It tires me to play them for very long, but I'm not sure how to quantify the energy I put into the bowl from the playing (how efficient is the energy transfer from my hand to the stick to the bowls edge?). A single strike to the bowl will excite it at the low fundamental, if you hit it in the right area. Anyway, I am very curious about what is happening, and sorry if this thread is wearing thin for some of you. I find the singing bowls fascinating and fun, and it is my nature to try and figure out how things work, especially sound (I too am an engineer, but acoustics are only a part of my job with disk drive design). I'll shut up now, and see what I measure. bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 19:08:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20931; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:07:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:07:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001018225346.16010.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> References: <20001018225346.16010.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:06:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: OT-fundamentals in sound (was singing bowls) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe it's too much of an open ended discussion to compare hand hammered brass bowls (actually, from what i know, tibetan bowls are not just brass but a combination of metals) to speaker cones and enclosures? With the bowls, you are taking a hand hammered piece of metal which is often not perfect in it's construction. And then you are rubbing it with a stick of a certain weight, with a certain amount of force and technical ability. How can you measure the 'efficiency' of such a thing? Can it be done? What about one bowl versus another? One player versus another? This discussion made me think of what a bowl would sound like and what frequencies could be generated by making some sort of pneumatic device that would hold the bowl (small suction cup at the bottom?), and spin a dowel around the lip, and you could vary the speed of rotation, and the pressure applied to the bowl. yowza, put that in your pipe and smoke it, Leslie Speaker! maybe it would be some sort of feedback/frequency cannon. Survival Research Labs? i got an idea for you! rich > >Regarding efficiency, I cannot say how efficient the bowls are. As you >play them you constantly put energy into them. I make no claims for >the bowls efficiency, but they could be inefficient (and per stated >principles) and still be loud and low freq. It tires me to play them >for very long, but I'm not sure how to quantify the energy I put into >the bowl from the playing (how efficient is the energy transfer from my >hand to the stick to the bowls edge?). A single strike to the bowl >will excite it at the low fundamental, if you hit it in the right area. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 19:14:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21070; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:13:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:13:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39EE2EB0.5CDE3952@hoover-keith.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:13:53 -0500 From: "Ryan D. Supak" X-Sender: "Ryan D. Supak" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT-fundamentals in sound (was singing bowls) References: <20001018225346.16010.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > How can you measure the 'efficiency' of such > a thing? Can it be done? What about one bowl versus another? One > player versus another? good point. to be certain, expected quantifications of "real-world" events are often best applied in a strictly comparative sense. "the real world is not science", and it's always nice to be reminded of that. (and "art" is science with more than 7 variables!) 8> rs (np: Harry Nilsson - "Me and My Arrow") From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 19:21:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21232; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:20:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:20:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: RE: OT-fundamentals in sound (was singing bowls) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:18:35 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This discussion made me think of what a bowl would sound like and > what frequencies could be generated by making some sort of pneumatic > device that would hold the bowl (small suction cup at the bottom?), > and spin a dowel around the lip, and you could vary the speed of > rotation, and the pressure applied to the bowl. This is very much like the instrument that Benjamin Franklin invented...the Glass Armonica. There is a great picture of it here: http://www.glassarmonica.com/ and a great sound file here: http://www.crystalmusic.com/ Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 19:21:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21257; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:21:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:21:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3A139C85.F05B87EE@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 03:36:25 -0500 From: Reeve Martin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help with me Loops! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis, once I had a similar setup and setdown... Instead of time compressing blah blah blah.... try using the event list view thing to send program change messages (whatever they are for the jamman tap) at the precise beginning and end of the loop that you flew into the CakeBake. actually a better way would be to send midi clock out to jamman. I think there is a bamman feature where it will automatically quantize your Physical tap attempts at perfection to just that... good goin' fer ya Reeve Dennis Coggia wrote: > Hi Folks, I've been messin' with this for too long now so here goes: I have > a jamman, a computer with cakewalk , cooledit and a few midi drum sequencing > progs(fruity loops, etc), and a room full of assorted implements of noise. > What I would love to do is save a loop as .Wav file or whatever, insert it > into a Cakewalk track and use it to sync the Jamman . The problem I am > having is stretching or compressing the file to fit a measure, especially > percussive samples. Maybe I'm approaching this the wrong way? It seems to me > that there should be a fairly easy way of doing this. > Thanks everybody........Great List! > > Oh...Bonus Question > I think I remember a-ways-back someone describing how to control a Jamman > and a GP100 with a FC200 pedal. Could someone reply personally. That's > another item that driving me nuts. > mailto:spiraleyez@hotmail.com > Keep it rollin' > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 19:40:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21684; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:39:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:39:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: partagas.dragonet.es: [193.153.189.232] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20001019015108.00a8a1c0@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 01:51:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Perico Los Palotes Subject: DL4 / Headrush Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:54 p.m. 18/10/00 -0300, you wrote: hi need a bit of help ... does any of these unexpensive units have feedback control in loop mode ? thanks ! R /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Tapeadores http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/tap /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 20:06:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22096; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:05:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:05:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:05:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: DL4 / Headrush Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 02:54 p.m. 18/10/00 -0300, you wrote: > >hi > need a bit of help ... > > does any of these unexpensive > units have feedback control > in loop mode ? > >thanks ! >R DL-4 doesn't in loop (14 sec) mode, but has very controllable feedback in the delay (2 sec) mode, not to mention some amazing sounds. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 20:23:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22412; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:22:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:22:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <44.824a71d.271f98a5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:21:57 EDT Subject: masonworks? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anybody heard of or know how to get in touch with an outfit called "Masonworks" that does repairs/ mods on Digitech gear (looking to "hot rod" a couple DPS8000's). They used to be at <> but are no longer there. Thanks. - paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 20:36:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22650; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:35:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:35:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <76.4021d23.271f9b68@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:33:44 EDT Subject: DL4 questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can the Roland EV5 be used as the expression pedal or does the Line 6 ex. ped. have to be used? Can 2 DL4s (or other) be run off a single power supply. A while back someone on the list mentioned it was possible but I never got the full concensus of opinion as to whether it was safe for the machines or not. Is there an upgrade to the DL4. I got one when they first came out and have heard hints about an upgrade to correct some problems in the first batch produced. While I haven't experienced any "wierdness" from the one I've got I'll probably be adding another (or a Boomerang if I can ever find one) to a pedalboard/looping set up I'm working on and was just wondering if there would be a difference between the new and "old one. Thanks - Paul <> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 20:53:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23052; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:52:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:52:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001018204649.007bc2e0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:46:49 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: DL4 / Headrush In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20001019015108.00a8a1c0@mail.dragonet.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Headrush has a feedback control that's accessible in the Tape Echo and Normal Delay modes only. When you're in Looping Rec mode, there's no attenuation between each successive repeat. Tim (np: Chain Tape Project: Seventy-Five Seconds) At 01:51 AM 10/19/00 +0200, you wrote: >does any of these unexpensive units [Line6 DL-4/Akai Headrush] have feedback >control in loop mode ? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 21:16:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23475; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:15:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:15:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:18:00 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Noises through pickups (rather gongs...) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >I just dont understand why bowls should not vibrate them? > >Yes, the tones are too low for the bowl to physically produce them. If you >think about it, bass notes are pretty darn large airwaves and therefore >require pretty darn large instruments to produce them. At 20Hz, the >wavelength is 56 feet long. There's just no way a bowl 20" wide weighing >eight pounds can move that much air with enough energy to produce the tone. >Imagine how much more difficult it is to move 56 feet of air than, say, a >mere 2.47 feet for a 440Hz A note. Usually an instrument has a lowest resonance that depends mainly on its total size and below that it does not vibrate. So the question is: why would the bowl produce harmonics of a frequency that it does not generate? (its possible, I really wonder...) Also: your wavelength calculation holds for air, so it calculates flutes (being that their lenght is 1/4 of the wavelenght if I remember right) For a solid material, there are other laws. Just imagine a short clock pendulum waving at 1Hz... > > What did the old cat hear? > >Probably the very low and the very high frequencies - he certainly does >not respond to normal hand claps and name calling! ("Get off the table, >Chili, off, off!!" - nope, just doesn't work! :-) > probably the low frequencies, otherwhise it would react to your bsssbsss... And the lows, it can feel in the body somewhere. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 21:21:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24094; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:20:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:20:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <76.4021d23.271f9b68@aol.com> References: <76.4021d23.271f9b68@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:18:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: DL4 questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <11agcD.A.VyF.0vk75@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, the EV5 works just fine... No, i don't think two units can share the same power supply... Contact support@line6.com for questions about your software version... rich >Can the Roland EV5 be used as the expression pedal or does the Line 6 ex. >ped. have to be used? >Can 2 DL4s (or other) be run off a single power supply. A while back someone >on the list mentioned it was possible but I never got the full concensus of >opinion as to whether it was safe for the machines or not. >Is there an upgrade to the DL4. I got one when they first came out and have >heard hints about an upgrade to correct some problems in the first batch >produced. While I haven't experienced any "wierdness" from the one I've got >I'll probably be adding another (or a Boomerang if I can ever find one) to a >pedalboard/looping set up I'm working on and was just wondering if there >would be a difference between the new and "old one. >Thanks - Paul ><> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 23:05:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26821; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:02:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:02:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001018195950.00b33630@crash.cts.com> X-Sender: harvey@crash.cts.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:59:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Ztars'R'Us" Subject: Re: OT-fundamentals in sound (was singing bowls) In-Reply-To: <20001018225346.16010.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <0OABp.A.5iG.sQm75@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd think a crystal water glass would provide a clearer demonstration and analysis of the fundamental vibrational modes. Fairly uniform shape and wall thickness, and tighter more uniform crystalline structure than the hammered alloy. -HS At 03:53 PM 10/18/00 -0700, you wrote: >Is a 15" loudspeaker cone small? The 20" bowls vibrating surface is >larger than the speaker size that is commonly used for generating loud, >low freq. I have casually mapped the vibrating surface and it seems to >be virtually the entire sides of the bowl, down to the start of the >base. The bowl is small, but the radiating surface of the bowl seems >large to me. But small and large are relative terms, aren't they? > >Regarding efficiency, I cannot say how efficient the bowls are. As you >play them you constantly put energy into them. I make no claims for >the bowls efficiency, but they could be inefficient (and per stated >principles) and still be loud and low freq. It tires me to play them >for very long, but I'm not sure how to quantify the energy I put into >the bowl from the playing (how efficient is the energy transfer from my >hand to the stick to the bowls edge?). A single strike to the bowl >will excite it at the low fundamental, if you hit it in the right area. > >Anyway, I am very curious about what is happening, and sorry if this >thread is wearing thin for some of you. I find the singing bowls >fascinating and fun, and it is my nature to try and figure out how >things work, especially sound (I too am an engineer, but acoustics are >only a part of my job with disk drive design). >I'll shut up now, and see what I measure. >bret > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > > > http://www.starrlabs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 01:32:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28660; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 01:31:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 01:31:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001019053010.20793.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:30:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: OT:Singing bowl measurements To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9HyZiC.A.k_G.ibo75@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My son Eli and I studied the output of his singing bowl with a spectrogram. I overstated the bowls size in my earlier post. It is 117 mm outside diameter (about 4 9/16"), about 63mm high, rounded, and about 2mm thick at the top edge. The spectrogram allows us to see, in a scrolling chart, over time in the horizontal axis, the frequency components in the vertical axis, with the amplitude of each component indicated by shading. The lowest tone recorded was about 390 hz, approximately a G. The first overtone was at about 1070 hz, the next at about 1950 hz. These measurements are +/5.4 hz with the scale and tool used. The fundamental's amplitude is about 3db softer than each of the two overtones with the condenser mike used, when I strike the bowl with a thin stick. When the bowl is struck with a soft mallet, only the fundamental is visible on the chart, unless you keep hitting the bowl very hard. Where you hit the bowl with the hard stick effects the balance of fundamental and harmonics, but there are 3 primary tones. Making the bowl sing with a thick stick generates the same 3 tones. There is a pulsation of amplitude (beat frequency) for each of the 3 tones that varies in frequency with the speed at which I rub the stick around the bowl. I can make it beat very slow, maybe 1hz, to fast, about 8 hz, by the speed of circular motion. This beating adds much to the feel in my hand of the energy present. The beating is visceral. We attempted to match the tone by ear, to a synth patch that had fundamental and 2 harmonics (390hz,1170hz, 1950hz , fund, 3rd and 5th harmonics). We compared the audibly matched synth tone to the bowls tone in the spectrogram. The fundamentals matched in frequency. What we heard as tones in the bowl, matched what we heard on a minimal overtone synth oscillator. These sounds differ by the first overtone frequency. The synth has 1170hz (3rd harmonic) and the bowl has about 1070hz which is about 2.74 times the fundamental (390hz). We found no illusion between perceived pitch, and measure pitch with the 2 types of sounds. The beats in the rubbed bowl do change the character of the sound dramatically, however. I wish I had a large bowl to measure. If you want to view and measure the spectrum of a sound download Spectrum ver 5.1.7 (Windows only) http://www.mnsinc.com/rshorne/gram.html http://www.mnsinc.com/rshorne/gramdl.html It is a cool program, and shows a great deal about the character of sound. You just need a pc, soundcard, windows, and a microphone. regards, bret --- Ztars'R'Us wrote: > I'd think a crystal water glass would provide a clearer demonstration > and > analysis of the fundamental vibrational modes. Fairly uniform shape > and > wall thickness, and tighter more uniform crystalline structure than > the > hammered alloy. > -HS > > At 03:53 PM 10/18/00 -0700, you wrote: > >Is a 15" loudspeaker cone small? The 20" bowls vibrating surface is > >larger than the speaker size that is commonly used for generating > loud, > >low freq. I have casually mapped the vibrating surface and it seems > to > >be virtually the entire sides of the bowl, down to the start of the > >base. The bowl is small, but the radiating surface of the bowl > seems > >large to me. But small and large are relative terms, aren't they? > > > >Regarding efficiency, I cannot say how efficient the bowls are. As > you > >play them you constantly put energy into them. I make no claims for > >the bowls efficiency, but they could be inefficient (and per stated > >principles) and still be loud and low freq. It tires me to play > them > >for very long, but I'm not sure how to quantify the energy I put > into > >the bowl from the playing (how efficient is the energy transfer from > my > >hand to the stick to the bowls edge?). A single strike to the bowl > >will excite it at the low fundamental, if you hit it in the right > area. > > > >Anyway, I am very curious about what is happening, and sorry if this > >thread is wearing thin for some of you. I find the singing bowls > >fascinating and fun, and it is my nature to try and figure out how > >things work, especially sound (I too am an engineer, but acoustics > are > >only a part of my job with disk drive design). > >I'll shut up now, and see what I measure. > >bret > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > >http://im.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > http://www.starrlabs.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 01:44:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28948; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 01:43:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 01:43:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001019054244.21617.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:42:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: OT-fundamentals in sound (was singing bowls) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- rich wrote: > Maybe it's too much of an open ended discussion to compare hand > hammered brass bowls (actually, from what i know, tibetan bowls are > not just brass but a combination of metals) to speaker cones and > enclosures? > Per 'Singing Bowls" by Eva Rudy Jansen (Binkey Kok Publications), "According to tradition, the bowls are made of 7 metals: one for each of the planets: gold-the Sun, silver-the Moon, mercury-Mercury, copper-Venus, iron-Mars, tin-Jupiter, lead-Saturn" She goes on to say that the mixture was secret, and probably varied accoring to region, and what was on hand. The whole bowl thing is a mystery according to Eva, that if you ask a monk or tibetan about them they will deny knowledge, or say they are for food or storage, and they know of no 'Singing Bowls' bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 02:05:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA29367; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 02:04:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 02:04:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001019053010.20793.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> References: <20001019053010.20793.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 04:07:20 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: OT:Singing bowl measurements Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_TvvyC.A.kKH.V7o75@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >My son Eli and I studied the output of his singing bowl with a >spectrogram. great! Thank you Bret and Eli! >I overstated the bowls size in my earlier post. It is 117 mm outside >diameter (about 4 9/16"), about 63mm high, rounded, and about 2mm thick >at the top edge. > >The spectrogram allows us to see, in a scrolling chart, over time in >the horizontal axis, the frequency components in the vertical axis, >with the amplitude of each component indicated by shading. The lowest >tone recorded was about 390 hz, approximately a G. The first overtone >was at about 1070 hz, the next at about 1950 hz. These measurements >are +/5.4 hz with the scale and tool used. hm,,, for me overtones are multiples... >We attempted to match the tone by ear, to a synth patch that had >fundamental and 2 harmonics (390hz,1170hz, 1950hz , fund, 3rd and 5th >harmonics). We compared the audibly matched synth tone to the bowls >tone in the spectrogram. The fundamentals matched in frequency. What >we heard as tones in the bowl, matched what we heard on a minimal >overtone synth oscillator. These sounds differ by the first overtone >frequency. The synth has 1170hz (3rd harmonic) and the bowl has about >1070hz which is about 2.74 times the fundamental (390hz). may this mean that 390 is not the fundamental? Then again, I cannot find a fundamental with overtones 390 and 1070... I can easily imagine several fundamentals, so 390 and 1070 could be independent vibrations (axial-radial, for esample). But why is the third harmonic 1170 present? Did the 1070 "eat" it? More even I wonder now how they select the bowls: Could yours be a good one because the 5th harmonic appears cleanly... or a cheap one because the 3rd does not? :-) >We found no illusion between perceived pitch, and measure pitch with >the 2 types of sounds. The beats in the rubbed bowl do change the >character of the sound dramatically, however. I am not sure I understand what the beating sounds like... Is it a subharmonic maybe? Interference between the stick movement and some fundamental? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 02:51:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA29926; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 02:39:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 02:39:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001018225346.16010.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> References: <20001018225346.16010.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 04:43:20 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: mechanical looping instruments (was singing bowls) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Anyway, I am very curious about what is happening, and sorry if this >thread is wearing thin for some of you. I find the singing bowls >fascinating and fun, and it is my nature to try and figure out how >things work, especially sound oh, we are here to learn. Isnt the bowl the oldest looping instrument? As your hand makes a looping movement it creates a drawn... Well you can achieve this with a cat, too :-) Rich: >This discussion made me think of what a bowl would sound like and >what frequencies could be generated by making some sort of pneumatic >device that would hold the bowl (small suction cup at the bottom?), >and spin a dowel around the lip, and you could vary the speed of >rotation, and the pressure applied to the bowl. sure, we can make a lot of mechanically looping instruments still. A painter friend suggested to make an endless rainmaker: A circular tube on a bycicle wheel, maybe wind driven. In the tube there are stones or rice and the walls are fitted with varying tongues so it keeps changing sound while it turns... you can nearly compose like for a music box, but its still much more irregular and softer sounding... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 05:35:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA31584; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:34:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:34:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39EEC045.4A471C7F@t-online.de> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:35:04 +0200 From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) Reply-To: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT:Singing bowl measurements References: <20001019053010.20793.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender: 0265142411-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Bowling Freaks, Unfortunately I have no bowl in my Setup and so I only can guess about this phenomen,discussed so strong in this Forum ! Really interesting. I still belive-as summary of all bowling entries-that this mysterious low tone is a psychoacoustic effects.Our ear/brain recognizes the real existing overtones.The fundamental is missing.So our brain adds to the real existing harmonics the fundamental/not really hearable Prime-tone of the harmonic sectrum.This phenomen is well known and used in several signal processors,to make a sound more rich and fat. Exciters simply said. The question is,in wich relation the real appearing harmonics exist. Harmonics are the multiple of the fundamental tone. 1:2:3:4:5 .....etc. So if overtones from 2 to infinity will be heard,our brain will add the 1-fundamental to this spectrum. This is the simple harmonic scale-Fourier transformation. The problem appears,when the relation is odd.Best traces in a bell sound.This bell sound has usually a harmonic spectrum of : 1:1,1:2,2:3,3:4,4:5,5 and so on So our brain gets tricked again.It will "calculate" this harmonic spectrum until it is back to the simple relation: 1:2:3:4 and so on..... But it will not be the same as the real harmonic spectrum.If the fundamental tone of the bell (1) is still in listenable frequency- more then 20Hz,it will spoil a little bit the harmonic spectrum of a simple Fourier-series.A kind of odd tone will appear,but it sounds still harmonic.Because the fundamental tone is nearly eliminated in recognition. Another thing is,how close we are to the instrument when we play it. When I play the bowl-so I am seated beside it,I recognize more frequencies as the audient who is a little far away. I had once had the chance to play a Sitar-like instrument.Not really a Sitar-but also an indian instrument.Sorry-I forgot the correct name ! (Have to do some research in my books) The drastic moment was,when I listened to the play of this instrument as audient,with a distance of 2 meters to the play.The sound was incredible thin and went on like "pling pling pling" or a non amplified electric guitar. The extreme happened,when I did hold this instrument in my own hands and tried to play on it.The sound of it was fat and extraordinary. How could this appear ? First thin and then fat sounding. It could be described,that this instrument is only created for the player only and not for audients.This instrument has a Sitar look, with two resonance bodies(bowls?).One Pumpkinsized resonator near to the headstock and one near the bridge. Usually this instrument is made according to the body sizes of the player.A body instrument relation. What happens ? This instrument-simply said- is resonating through the whole body of the player.So he has the experience of a full fat sound. If you are only audient,then only "Pling Pling" comes to your ear and you don´t understand why the player is so fascinated about the sound. So the secret of this instrument could be the not only the ear-instrument interaction.It is also an interaction with the resonating capacity of the body.Vibrations can be also recognized by the body. Maybe this low tone experience could be similar to the this body- instrument resonance. If this mystery low of tone of the bowl also appears when we are audients and have a distance to the event,then this theory is not valid and I have to come back to the psycoacoustic phenomen,where the brain adds the missing funadamental. The resonance factor of the venue could also be an explanation,but not as strong as the other two theories. I think-don´t know-that the bowl has not the "Volume" capacity to make a big church Hall resonate. A church Hall(Room) is also part of the acoustic.It has its own resonating capacity with fixed frequencies and delay interactions. But if the amount of the source(bowl) is not strong enough this resonance can not "start in" and so the typical resonance frequencies will not appear. Before an "acousitc Model" will resonate,there must be enough source- energy to start the resonating process. In this case of physical modelling,a hollow body of a guitar is similar to a big cathreadal room.Both will resonate(differently) when a source starts the acoustic process. In a guitar the strings are the(selfoscilating sources) the hollow body is the resonator.Each guitarist knows,that the size of the body of a guitar can change the sound extremley,besides other factors. So I think,that the surrounding surface is not the reason,that this fundamental harmonic will appear in real.It can has an effect,but is not the reason for the fundamentals appearing. So it can be only the psychoacoustic effect or the "body-instrument- vibration index",maybe also an interaction of both,wich prepares us this fundamental,mystery tone. But this is only a guess from my side.The scientific about the way we hear,or our hearing can be tricked is still not yet discovered totally.There are still more questions outside as answers. This needs at least further research. Marty Matthias Grob schrieb: > > >My son Eli and I studied the output of his singing bowl with a > >spectrogram. > > great! Thank you Bret and Eli! > > >I overstated the bowls size in my earlier post. It is 117 mm outside > >diameter (about 4 9/16"), about 63mm high, rounded, and about 2mm thick > >at the top edge. > > > >The spectrogram allows us to see, in a scrolling chart, over time in > >the horizontal axis, the frequency components in the vertical axis, > >with the amplitude of each component indicated by shading. The lowest > >tone recorded was about 390 hz, approximately a G. The first overtone > >was at about 1070 hz, the next at about 1950 hz. These measurements > >are +/5.4 hz with the scale and tool used. > > hm,,, for me overtones are multiples... > > >We attempted to match the tone by ear, to a synth patch that had > >fundamental and 2 harmonics (390hz,1170hz, 1950hz , fund, 3rd and 5th > >harmonics). We compared the audibly matched synth tone to the bowls > >tone in the spectrogram. The fundamentals matched in frequency. What > >we heard as tones in the bowl, matched what we heard on a minimal > >overtone synth oscillator. These sounds differ by the first overtone > >frequency. The synth has 1170hz (3rd harmonic) and the bowl has about > >1070hz which is about 2.74 times the fundamental (390hz). > > may this mean that 390 is not the fundamental? > Then again, I cannot find a fundamental with overtones 390 and 1070... > I can easily imagine several fundamentals, so 390 and 1070 could be > independent vibrations (axial-radial, for esample). > But why is the third harmonic 1170 present? Did the 1070 "eat" it? > > More even I wonder now how they select the bowls: Could yours be a > good one because the 5th harmonic appears cleanly... or a cheap one > because the 3rd does not? :-) > > >We found no illusion between perceived pitch, and measure pitch with > >the 2 types of sounds. The beats in the rubbed bowl do change the > >character of the sound dramatically, however. > > I am not sure I understand what the beating sounds like... > Is it a subharmonic maybe? > Interference between the stick movement and some fundamental? > > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 05:49:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA31745; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:44:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:44:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39EEC2CE.A925FF27@t-online.de> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:45:53 +0200 From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) Reply-To: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FFT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0265142411-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <6XBmSC.A.5vH.uJs75@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Forgot,to ask maybe for a FFT(Fast Fourier Transformation)-Analysiy of a Bowl,to get more closer to the secret of the bass-bowl. This could help. A trial can be done with Additive Synthesis-get an old Kawai K5 and programme a sound with the missing first harmonic. I did once and could not "hear" a difference with a missing first harmonic.Only the sound was a little thinner. Marty From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 06:59:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA32486; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 06:57:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 06:57:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c039bd$09a0a8e0$1b944e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: , Subject: Re: OT:Singing bowl measurements Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 07:09:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Martin wrote: >I had once had the chance to play a Sitar-like instrument.Not really a >Sitar-but also an indian instrument.Sorry-I forgot the correct name ! > (Have to do some research in my books) >It could be described,that this instrument is only created for >the player only and not for audients.This instrument has a Sitar look, >with two resonance bodies(bowls?).One Pumpkinsized resonator near to >the headstock and one near the bridge. >Usually this instrument is made according to the body sizes of the >player.A body instrument relation. The instrument you're describing is most likely the Rudra Vina, sometimes also called "been" or "bin." This is perhaps the oldest continuously-played stringed instrument in North Indian classical music. Unfortunately it is becoming rarer and rarer, nearly to the point of "extinction." :-( A photo of the instrument, played by one of it's greatest performers, Zia Mohiuddin Dagar, can be found here: http://www.raga.com/219.html There are some sound files of his playing as well: http://www.raga.com/sound.html These take some time to load, but are worth the wait. >The drastic moment was,when I listened to the play of this instrument >as audient,with a distance of 2 meters to the play.The sound was >incredible thin and went on like "pling pling pling" or a non amplified >electric guitar. >The extreme happened,when I did hold this instrument in my own hands >and tried to play on it.The sound of it was fat and extraordinary. >How could this appear ? First thin and then fat sounding. So true. Despite the huge gourd resonators the sound does not carry well, and needs extremely close miking to be heard in even a small auditorium. >What happens ? This instrument-simply said- is resonating through the >whole body of the player.So he has the experience of a full fat sound. >If you are only audient,then only "Pling Pling" comes to your ear and >you don´t understand why the player is so fascinated about the sound. I study and play the sitar and surbahar (a deep, bass sitar which was invented to mimic the sound of the rudra vina) and I have had somewhat of the opposite auditory effect occur repeatedly -- that while playing the instrument I "hear" a relatively thin and trebly tone, but on listening to recordings of my practice or performance I'm surprised to hear a much deeper overall sound. Both sitar and surbahar have a hollowed gourd as the main resonator, and are often fitted with a second gourd (more often spun wood) resonator attached behind the pegbox. But the greatest amount of resonance actually comes from the hollow wooden neck of these instruments, which has a greater density than the very thin shell of the gourd. Unlike the rudra vina, the sitar/surbahar are not really in contact with one's body while in playing position, except that the sitar's gourd rests on the instep of one's foot. The surbahar gourd generally rests directly on the floor. To further complicate the issue, there is no "sound hole" on these instruments, therefore their projection is nowhere near as loud as an acoustic guitar. Quite a paradox. I sat recently for a surbahar lesson with my teacher, and when playing in the lowest octave I felt the vibration from her instrument very distinctly through the floor, from a distance of about 1 meter! >So the secret of this instrument could be the not only the ear-instrument >interaction.It is also an interaction with the resonating capacity >of the body.Vibrations can be also recognized by the body. I've heard similar stories from an Iranian musician who plays the sehtar, a very small, delicate sounding four stringed long-neck lute, as well as the tar, a larger and somewhat louder lute with a skin face stretched over the wooden resonating chamber. Neither of these instruments have sound holes, and he's told me that he really needs to cradle the instruments against his chest while playing "to get a good sound." James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 07:57:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00503; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 07:55:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 07:55:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39EEE18D.50563ADA@t-online.de> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:57:08 +0200 From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) Reply-To: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT:Singing bowl measurements References: <002c01c039bd$09a0a8e0$1b944e0c@u73x0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender: 0265142411-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi James, You are right.The instrument I mentioned was a Rudra Vina(been/bin). As I were busy to find its name from my chaotic bookshelve,I saw your mail and immidiately the name flashed up in my brain. Nevertheless I checked it through my ancient diaries,to be sure.:-) It is a long time ago,that I had this experience,so I was a little doubtful,if my comments are correct. I don´t want to pretend,that I am an expert in the classical indian music,nor with its instruments.It was a unique experience for me and it seems,that I was lucky to get a chance to hear the nearly extinctioned Rudra Vian personally. This Rudra Vina phenomen came back to my mind,when I read all this entries about the singing bowl. It seems,that there is also a relation to "hear tones" between the body and the instrument. And as Jack mentioned,it can be also have an opposite character. The player hears a thin sound,but the audient gets a rich,fundamental sound. This needs at least a research,about the acousitc phenomens of such instruments.A worse problem is,that this instruments are "fading" out. It is already a problem,if traditional instruments still appear,but the knowledge how to master them in the origin context,is going nearly to extinction. The most worst case is,if already such instruments are going to extinction.It means,that the musical background is already lost. As simple E/Midi-Guitarist;i don´t have the qualification to speak about such acoustic phenomens of indian classic music/instruments. Nevertheless I am interested very much in this topics. Marty James Pokorny schrieb: > > Martin wrote: > >I had once had the chance to play a Sitar-like instrument.Not really a > >Sitar-but also an indian instrument.Sorry-I forgot the correct name ! > > (Have to do some research in my books) > > >It could be described,that this instrument is only created for > >the player only and not for audients.This instrument has a Sitar look, > >with two resonance bodies(bowls?).One Pumpkinsized resonator near to > >the headstock and one near the bridge. > >Usually this instrument is made according to the body sizes of the > >player.A body instrument relation. > > The instrument you're describing is most likely the Rudra Vina, sometimes > also called "been" or "bin." This is perhaps the oldest continuously-played > stringed instrument in North Indian classical music. Unfortunately it is > becoming rarer and rarer, nearly to the point of "extinction." :-( > > A photo of the instrument, played by one of it's greatest performers, Zia > Mohiuddin Dagar, can be found here: > http://www.raga.com/219.html > > There are some sound files of his playing as well: > http://www.raga.com/sound.html > These take some time to load, but are worth the wait. > > >The drastic moment was,when I listened to the play of this instrument > >as audient,with a distance of 2 meters to the play.The sound was > >incredible thin and went on like "pling pling pling" or a non amplified > >electric guitar. > >The extreme happened,when I did hold this instrument in my own hands > >and tried to play on it.The sound of it was fat and extraordinary. > >How could this appear ? First thin and then fat sounding. > > So true. Despite the huge gourd resonators the sound does not carry well, > and needs extremely close miking to be heard in even a small auditorium. > > >What happens ? This instrument-simply said- is resonating through the > >whole body of the player.So he has the experience of a full fat sound. > >If you are only audient,then only "Pling Pling" comes to your ear and > >you don´t understand why the player is so fascinated about the sound. > > I study and play the sitar and surbahar (a deep, bass sitar which was > invented to mimic the sound of the rudra vina) and I have had somewhat of > the opposite auditory effect occur repeatedly -- that while playing the > instrument I "hear" a relatively thin and trebly tone, but on listening to > recordings of my practice or performance I'm surprised to hear a much deeper > overall sound. Both sitar and surbahar have a hollowed gourd as the main > resonator, and are often fitted with a second gourd (more often spun wood) > resonator attached behind the pegbox. But the greatest amount of resonance > actually comes from the hollow wooden neck of these instruments, which has a > greater density than the very thin shell of the gourd. Unlike the rudra > vina, the sitar/surbahar are not really in contact with one's body while in > playing position, except that the sitar's gourd rests on the instep of one's > foot. The surbahar gourd generally rests directly on the floor. > > To further complicate the issue, there is no "sound hole" on these > instruments, therefore their projection is nowhere near as loud as an > acoustic guitar. Quite a paradox. I sat recently for a surbahar lesson > with my teacher, and when playing in the lowest octave I felt the vibration > from her instrument very distinctly through the floor, from a distance of > about 1 meter! > > >So the secret of this instrument could be the not only the ear-instrument > >interaction.It is also an interaction with the resonating capacity > >of the body.Vibrations can be also recognized by the body. > > I've heard similar stories from an Iranian musician who plays the sehtar, a > very small, delicate sounding four stringed long-neck lute, as well as the > tar, a larger and somewhat louder lute with a skin face stretched over the > wooden resonating chamber. Neither of these instruments have sound holes, > and he's told me that he really needs to cradle the instruments against his > chest while playing "to get a good sound." > > James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 09:50:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01926; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:48:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:48:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:46:26 EDT Subject: Re: OT:Singing bowl measurements To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/19/00 3:30:51 AM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, echoplex@yahoo.com writes: << My son Eli and I studied the output of his singing bowl with a spectrogram. >> bret..........how cool!..........this reminds me of when i was much younger and my father took me upstairs and said "listen to this, its called stereo"..........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 10:14:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02360; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:13:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:13:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: OT:Singing bowl measurements To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:10:18 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 10/19/2000 09:10:08 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Best traces in a bell sound. This bell sound >has usually a harmonic spectrum of : >1:1,1:2,2:3,3:4,4:5,5 and so on Bells were what I was working on, theoretically, in my limited and purely a priori analysis of this problem. Hell, I have a degree in business, so what do I know? However, I'm intensely curious and my research led me to this page: http://www.mmk.ei.tum.de/persons/ter.html by a German physicist. His discussions on bell "strike-tones" (and I was glad, Bret, that you and your son had decided to measure the strike tones, too) are interesting, as well as the "acoustic bass effect." This page has many, many goodies. I have to make clear, though, because it's popped up occasionally, that I do NOT own a bowl. The whole 20" thing was only an example. But in the face of empiricism, I'll have to trust Bret's ears when he states that the measured fundamental was indeed the lowest component he was hearing. I'll continue to do some follow-up, but there are now some obviously more qualified persons involved in this skirmish. So, the Repeater. What's up with that? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 11:31:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03561; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:30:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:30:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39EF1399.7A044449@t-online.de> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:30:35 +0200 From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) Reply-To: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT:Singing bowl measurements References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0265142411-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, the sometimes stubborn german analysis is sometimes for good. Like Lindsay I have not the time to get deeper in this topic. This irrational harmonic row was listed up by my memory,so it is not valid or comparable to other bells.Sorry... My location is near to a bell manufacture/factory.If I have time, I will ask them for more details. The Bell example was only thought as a maybe comparable sound to the bowl ! Marty lindsay@pavestone.com schrieb: > > >Best traces in a bell sound. This bell sound > >has usually a harmonic spectrum of : > >1:1,1:2,2:3,3:4,4:5,5 and so on > > Bells were what I was working on, theoretically, in my limited and purely a > priori analysis of this problem. Hell, I have a degree in business, so > what do I know? > > However, I'm intensely curious and my research led me to this page: > http://www.mmk.ei.tum.de/persons/ter.html > by a German physicist. His discussions on bell "strike-tones" (and I was > glad, Bret, that you and your son had decided to measure the strike tones, > too) are interesting, as well as the "acoustic bass effect." This page has > many, many goodies. > > I have to make clear, though, because it's popped up occasionally, that I > do NOT own a bowl. The whole 20" thing was only an example. > > But in the face of empiricism, I'll have to trust Bret's ears when he > states that the measured fundamental was indeed the lowest component he was > hearing. I'll continue to do some follow-up, but there are now some > obviously more qualified persons involved in this skirmish. > > So, the Repeater. What's up with that? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 12:00:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04246; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:58:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:58:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39EF19E0.B4811071@voicenet.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:57:20 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: 10/21/00 Phila PA Gig AND Singing Bowls Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just saw this. A great monthly electronic/music show in Phila PA.: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- VI. SAT OCT 21 THE GATE TO MOONBASE ALPHA (Collette Carter, Transient, Ben Morgan, and Quentin Davis) SINGING BOWL CACOPHONY PARTY following 8PM-12PM at the Rotunda (4012 Walnut Street) ALL AGES FREE, FREE FOOD TOo! Bring your resonating quartz or metal bowls for a singing bowl party. Tell all of your freaky friends who always fantasized about what it would sound like to play a hundred bowls together! We will also be giving away to 10 lucky attendees, a Gate to MoonBase Alpha mp3 cd-r packed with many of last season's GTMBA performances. Saul Stokes, Flowchart, the Ministry of Inside Things, and Overdrive Date Master among others are being burned as I write on spanking new Gold/Gold CD-Rs. Besides the great music and performances there will be free hot cider and ginger iced tea and pastries made available by the Comet Coffeehouse. I presume you all received the GTMBA promo hype yesterday so no need for repetition on the details. More info is up at http://simpletone.com ----------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 12:02:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04372; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:01:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:01:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39EF44CF.414DB670@virtulink.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:00:31 -0700 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: NYC: microtonal looping gig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <42CnUB.A.mDB.oqx75@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sunday October 22, 2000 7:00 pm World Premiere Vixa for microtonal guitar synthesizer by David Beardsley Free live in-store performance at Downtown Music Gallery 211 E. 5th St. N.Y., N.Y. 10003 Phone: (212) 473-0043 http://www.dtmgallery.com/presents.htm -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 12:26:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04814; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:25:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:25:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39EF11EB.8BA5F370@sigecom.net> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:23:24 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Line 6 specs vs the boomerang upgrade Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recently got the upgrade for my Boomerang. It is now 16 bit 24 khz which is so much better, and new features! But what are the specs for the Line 6? Is my upgrade comparable to the Line 6? Zing From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 12:49:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05176; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:49:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:49:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001019094425.00b0a5b0@crash.cts.com> X-Sender: harvey@crash.cts.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:44:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Ztars'R'Us" Subject: Re: mechanical looping instruments (was singing bowls) In-Reply-To: References: <20001018225346.16010.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> <20001018225346.16010.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com related to this topic which someone may find interesting. Sorry if it's not: We built a pair of instruments as museum exhibits (toys) that consisted of a cylinder about 2' x 6"D that oerated like a programmable music box. Holes were drilled in 15 columns (rings), 24 holes per column. Pegs could be inserted by the users at any location. Each column related to a note(s) and because of the fixed rotational rate of the cylinder, the tempo was fixed with 24 beats available per measure. I set up the 15 notes in various scales, pentatonic and such, to avoid annoying children with too much chromaticity. This way it's easy to create interesting melodies without any knowlege of music. The user sets up the pegs where the want and then presses a button to make the "OrchestraRoller" rotate. I also added a button that when pressed would add in a harmonized note in another voice. I think we put a Yamaha DB50 card inside one unit and A Roland SCD-15 in the other. The thing rocked on a drum patch. The intention of the exhibit was to demonstrate basic musical elements to children: rhythm, pitch, melody, harmony. One of these is in San Diego and the other is in Texas somewhere, I believe. Really a contraption. I'll hunt around for a foto. tnx, harvey At 04:43 AM 10/19/00 -0300, you wrote: > > >>Anyway, I am very curious about what is happening, and sorry if this >>thread is wearing thin for some of you. I find the singing bowls >>fascinating and fun, and it is my nature to try and figure out how >>things work, especially sound > >oh, we are here to learn. > >Isnt the bowl the oldest looping instrument? >As your hand makes a looping movement it creates a drawn... >Well you can achieve this with a cat, too :-) > >Rich: > >>This discussion made me think of what a bowl would sound like and >>what frequencies could be generated by making some sort of pneumatic >>device that would hold the bowl (small suction cup at the bottom?), >>and spin a dowel around the lip, and you could vary the speed of >>rotation, and the pressure applied to the bowl. > >sure, we can make a lot of mechanically looping instruments still. >A painter friend suggested to make an endless rainmaker: >A circular tube on a bycicle wheel, maybe wind driven. >In the tube there are stones or rice and the walls are fitted with >varying tongues so it keeps changing sound while it turns... you can >nearly compose like for a music box, but its still much more >irregular and softer sounding... >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > http://www.starrlabs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 13:19:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05689; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:18:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:18:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b101c039f1$7a7eb640$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: mechanical looping instruments (was singing bowls) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:24:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, yes a photo please! Om -----Original Message----- From: Ztars'R'Us To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thursday, October 19, 2000 9:50 AM Subject: Re: mechanical looping instruments (was singing bowls) >related to this topic which someone may find interesting. Sorry if it's not: > >We built a pair of instruments as museum exhibits (toys) that consisted of >a cylinder about 2' x 6"D that oerated like a programmable music box. Holes >were drilled in 15 columns (rings), 24 holes per column. Pegs could be >inserted by the users at any location. Each column related to a note(s) and >because of the fixed rotational rate of the cylinder, the tempo was fixed >with 24 beats available per measure. I set up the 15 notes in various >scales, pentatonic and such, to avoid annoying children with too much >chromaticity. This way it's easy to create interesting melodies without any >knowlege of music. The user sets up the pegs where the want and then >presses a button to make the "OrchestraRoller" rotate. I also added a >button that when pressed would add in a harmonized note in another voice. I >think we put a Yamaha DB50 card inside one unit and A Roland SCD-15 in the >other. The thing rocked on a drum patch. > >The intention of the exhibit was to demonstrate basic musical elements to >children: rhythm, pitch, melody, harmony. One of these is in San Diego and >the other is in Texas somewhere, I believe. >Really a contraption. I'll hunt around for a foto. >tnx, harvey > >At 04:43 AM 10/19/00 -0300, you wrote: >> >> >>>Anyway, I am very curious about what is happening, and sorry if this >>>thread is wearing thin for some of you. I find the singing bowls >>>fascinating and fun, and it is my nature to try and figure out how >>>things work, especially sound >> >>oh, we are here to learn. >> >>Isnt the bowl the oldest looping instrument? >>As your hand makes a looping movement it creates a drawn... >>Well you can achieve this with a cat, too :-) >> >>Rich: >> >>>This discussion made me think of what a bowl would sound like and >>>what frequencies could be generated by making some sort of pneumatic >>>device that would hold the bowl (small suction cup at the bottom?), >>>and spin a dowel around the lip, and you could vary the speed of >>>rotation, and the pressure applied to the bowl. >> >>sure, we can make a lot of mechanically looping instruments still. >>A painter friend suggested to make an endless rainmaker: >>A circular tube on a bycicle wheel, maybe wind driven. >>In the tube there are stones or rice and the walls are fitted with >>varying tongues so it keeps changing sound while it turns... you can >>nearly compose like for a music box, but its still much more >>irregular and softer sounding... >>-- >> >> >> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org >> >> >> >http://www.starrlabs.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 13:56:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06307; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:54:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:54:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:53:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Seattle gig tonight! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry for the spam and late notice but, I only found out the location of the gig 5 minutes ago: Fred Chalenor & Dave Trenkel: Free improv with many basses and many effects. At Zeitgeist, 171 S. Jackson, corner of 2nd and Jackson, 8-10pm. It's our first time playing together as a duo. See you there! ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 14:12:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06690; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:11:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:11:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jprice01@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:09:30 EDT Subject: PHILLY GIG ALERT: AKASH @ THE SHUBIN THEATRE for 2 NITES! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 103 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA06547 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "IT'S ABOUT" ALL YOUR PERVY LIL' PAGAN FANTASIES… Get into Body Worship Now ! ( THE DEBUT ALBUM FROM AKASH ) AKASHMUSIC.COM PRESENTS: A HALLOWEEN JOURNEY TO THE KINKIEST… WETTEST PIECE OF A PUMPKIN PATCH YOU WILL EVER TASTE. * Not for the squeamish or prudish …Full Frontal AKASH :) * (There is no alcohol served @ the shubin theatre so we can legitimately and comfortably get away with a lot more than what we usually try to sneak in at Philly Bars/Niteclubs) & as usual, AKASH is always looking for an audience with "potential", This time AKASH invites you to join them w/ their Special Guests: Fantasy Burlesque 2000 & Dancing Mermaids ( plus other surprise guests ) as the ultimate battle for all that is freaky and feels good is waged @ the Shubin Theatre, located between South & Bainbridge opposite 4th and 5th. Show Dates & Times : Thursday Oct. 26th performing 2 shows; Early show is @7pm & late show is @9pm, Friday, Oct. 27th performing 2 shows; early show is 7pm & late show is 9pm. PLEASE NOTE: Doors Will Open @ 5:30pm for PreShow Ambient - Soundscapes - Space Music Performed by John Price-elect. guitar, synths & Maj. Kernel E.S.Q.-elect guitar, synths ( *The Maj. Kernel ESQ will only play on the 26th *) on each night of performances; Full Fledged Performances will officially begin @ 7pm & 9pm each night, Tickets: $10 at The Door - VERY Limited Seating We Hope to see everyone who can make it out upfront & centre at the shubin theatre next week... & Happy Halloween ! Warm Regards, AKASH "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" akashmusic@aol.com 215.592.9963 TO LEAVE AN AKASHICPHONE MESSAGE www.akashmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 15:09:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08538; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:07:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:07:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39EF4774.ED468ED0@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:14:56 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT-fundamentals in sound (was singing bowls) References: <20001018225346.16010.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bret wrote: > ...So how small a bowl is too small to be (physically) able to create > the > low freq, loud (vague terms) sound we hear from the bowls, with the > amount of energy we apply to the bowls... just to throw in a completely non-scientific anecdote; my wife and i got married in joshua tree. our wedding took place outdoors, in a natural ampitheatre created by millions of years of geologic upheaval (hidden valley, if anyone out there knows it). to make a long story short, we borrowed several tibetan singing bowls (as well as some very large and heavy swiss cowbells- another great sound source for anyone interested), and convinced a few friends to clamber several hundred feet up into the boulder-masses, with the intent of creating an ambient sonic backdrop for the ceremony. the singing bowls were extremely audible (although the cowbells had them beat for sheer volume), and it seemed clear that, over the distance of several hundred feet, we were hearing some very low fundamentals. this, of course, proves nothing (i did say it was completely anecdotal:-). lance g. ps, it rained/hailed heavily that morning, and cleared 15 minutes before the wedding began. the sound of receding desert thunder coupled with the random striking of hidden bells and the perfume of fresh rain on rocks & desert flowers was quite magical... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 16:21:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09682; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:19:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:19:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <7d.bd195af.2720b0ce@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:17:18 EDT Subject: Re: mechanical looping instruments To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah, uh-huh! this's probably been discussed before, but: for those of you w/mixing consoles, there's always the mechanical/electronic 'looper', a la Toshimaru Nakamura, etc: feed the output of a single mixer channel back to its own input; then, any knob/fader/trim/etc in that channel strip becomes a 'controller' for the nature of the subsequent feedback. effects can be put in-line, as well, & the channel's output can be sent to yer looper-of-choice. fun, but: keep yer hand on the master-fader, so ya don't blow up yer speakers..... best, dt /SPLaTTeRCeLL In stores & online NOW (artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, etc) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD / vinyl; 65 minute EP--- remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) On CeLLDiviSioN/75Ark: http://www.75ark.com SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn matthias@grob.org writes: >sure, we can make a lot of mechanically looping instruments still. >A painter friend suggested to make an endless rainmaker: >A circular tube on a bycicle wheel, maybe wind driven. >In the tube there are stones or rice and the walls are fitted with >varying tongues so it keeps changing sound while it turns... you can >nearly compose like for a music box, but its still much more >irregular and softer sounding... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 17:04:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10615; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:03:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:03:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Whoa! Was: OT: Singing bowl measurements To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:59:48 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 10/19/2000 03:59:50 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I, on a lark, emailed the German physicist whose web page I mentioned in an earlier post. He emailed back the next day! Here are his remarks (and his English is not bad at all): ----- Forwarded by Lindsay Graham/Pavestone on 10/19/00 03:40 PM ----- Ernst Terhardt To: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: Fragen Sent by: ter@ei.tum.de 10/19/00 03:58 PM Dear Mr. Graham. Essentially I can conceive two quite different types of sound generation with a bowl-like device in combination with striking somewhere near the opening. The first is mechanical oscillations of the bowl's body including sound emission from the walls. This is what ordinarily is called a bell (and bell sound, respectively). This essentially requires a kind of bowl whose form, by and large, is bell-like. Regarding the pitch of such a sound, it ordinarily is of the bell-strike-note type (see my web-page), i.e. it is "psychological". Even so, that pitch to be quite low (e.g., in the 100-Hz range or even below) requires the "bowl" to have considerable dimensions (more than 1 m) and weight. Smart theorists can compute the oscillations of such a thing, provided that all its dimensions and material are known fairly accurately. However the math is complicated and can practically be done only on a computer. I can hardly imagine that the low-pitched sound you are describing is produced this way. The second type of sound generation is with a "bowl" that in fact has the form of a bottle or vase. This type of sound generator is known in acoustics as a "Helmholtz-oscillator". In this device it essentially is the oscillations of the enclosed air (particularly that inside the open neck of the bottle) that form the source of sound. Sound emission is from the open neck. When that kind of air-sound oscillations are excited by striking somewhere near the open neck, the wall's mechanical oscillations are not as such the source of sound but merely serve as a transmission line for the excitation to hit the air inside. The main and basic oscillation frequency of such a Helmholtz oscillator may indeed be quite low. It essentially depends on the volume of the air within the main body and on the inner diameter of the neck. When the volume is enlarged, resonance frequency goes down; when the the neck is made narrower it goes down as well (!). Computation is quite simple and easy. The formula can be found in any text book on acoustics. Even a bottle of a handy size can be given a form such that the resonance frequency is quite low. (Just try with a beer- or wine-bottle.) So my guess is that it is the second type of mechanism that accounts for the particularly low-frequency aspect of the sound of singing bowls. This aspect thus probably is physical rather than "psychological". It appears plausible to assume that the entire sound resulting from striking the singing bowl's wall is "enriched" by the mechanical oscillations (i.e. bell-type oscillations) which of course are inevitably excited as well. However, as mentioned above, it is hard to see how the latter type of oscillation could produce an extremely low pitch, assuming that the singing bowl is of reasonable (i.e. portable) size and weight. Sincerely, Ernst Terhardt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 17:42:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11124; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:41:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:41:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c03a16$f6f644c0$e3944e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: , Subject: Re: OT-fundamentals in sound (was singing bowls) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:53:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great story, Lance. What wonderful memories! >ps, it rained/hailed heavily that morning, and cleared 15 minutes before >the wedding began. the sound of receding desert thunder coupled with the >random striking of hidden bells and the perfume of fresh rain on rocks & >desert flowers was quite magical... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 19:25:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12659; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:24:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:24:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001019232323.12832.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:23:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: OT:Singing bowl measurements To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Matthias Grob wrote: > > > >The spectrogram allows us to see, in a scrolling chart, over time in > >the horizontal axis, the frequency components in the vertical axis, > >with the amplitude of each component indicated by shading. The > lowest > >tone recorded was about 390 hz, approximately a G. The first > overtone > >was at about 1070 hz, the next at about 1950 hz. These measurements > >are +/5.4 hz with the scale and tool used. > > hm,,, for me overtones are multiples... > > >We attempted to match the tone by ear, to a synth patch that had > >fundamental and 2 harmonics (390hz,1170hz, 1950hz , fund, 3rd and > 5th > >harmonics). We compared the audibly matched synth tone to the bowls > >tone in the spectrogram. The fundamentals matched in frequency. > What > >we heard as tones in the bowl, matched what we heard on a minimal > >overtone synth oscillator. These sounds differ by the first > overtone > >frequency. The synth has 1170hz (3rd harmonic) and the bowl has > about > >1070hz which is about 2.74 times the fundamental (390hz). > > may this mean that 390 is not the fundamental? > Then again, I cannot find a fundamental with overtones 390 and > 1070... > I can easily imagine several fundamentals, so 390 and 1070 could be > independent vibrations (axial-radial, for esample). > But why is the third harmonic 1170 present? Did the 1070 "eat" it? > > More even I wonder now how they select the bowls: Could yours be a > good one because the 5th harmonic appears cleanly... or a cheap one > because the 3rd does not? :-) > > >We found no illusion between perceived pitch, and measure pitch with > >the 2 types of sounds. The beats in the rubbed bowl do change the > >character of the sound dramatically, however. > > I am not sure I understand what the beating sounds like... > Is it a subharmonic maybe? > Interference between the stick movement and some fundamental? I used the word beating, as the effect was rather like two tones very close in frequency to each other, but not quite (say 1hz to 8 hz difference). We hear this as a pulsation of amplitude as they go in and out of phase, and reinforce and cancel each others output at a rate of 1hz to 8hz. To me it sounds like "yun yun yun yun". It is amplitude modulation (of the tones of the bowl). I find it interesting that this frequency range (of the pulsing) covers the lower end of the brain wave frequencies that are known to be very deep relaxation, meditation, and altered states of conscienceness. Could this entrain the brain to these frequencies like flashing light can? So, what I heard and see on the spectrogram is the amplitude of the tones pulsing, at a 1hz to 8hz rate. Somehow the stick rate influences it, maybe as it hits nodes and antinodes of the movement (wave) on the edge of the bell (this is wild, pure speculation). Lindsays' reference (http://www.mmk.ei.tum.de/persons/ter.html) to the Ernst Terhardt has some great research topics. See http://www.mmk.ei.tum.de/persons/ter/top/strikenote.html for an interesting article on the part-tone series of bells, and that they do not fit the normal harmonic series (and what that does to human interpretation of pitch). My use of the word 'overtones' seems to be confusing. I was not sure what to call these nonharmonic part-tones. I called them overtones because they are over (higher in freq) the lowest tone produced (what I considered the fundamental). Typically part-tones of musical instruments are harmonic (multiples), except in clangorous tones (like bells) where some partials appear out of place. bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 19:32:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12796; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:31:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:31:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39EF8435.2AAC4637@hoover-keith.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:31:01 -0500 From: "Ryan D. Supak" X-Sender: "Ryan D. Supak" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT:Singing bowl measurements References: <20001019232323.12832.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I find it interesting that this frequency range (of the pulsing) > covers > the lower end of the brain wave frequencies that are known to be very > deep relaxation, meditation, and altered states of conscienceness. > Could this entrain the brain to these frequencies like flashing light > can? www.bwgen.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 19:58:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13317; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:57:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:57:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001019232323.12832.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> References: <20001019232323.12832.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:34:15 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: OT:Singing bowl measurements Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4m_8ZD.A.TPD.Cp475@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What makes singing bowls and gongs sound so cool in the first place is that the overtones are not exact harmonics, and a single note can seem to beat with itself. At 4:23 PM -0700 10/19/00, Bret wrote: >--- Matthias Grob wrote: > > > > > >The spectrogram allows us to see, in a scrolling chart, over time in > > >the horizontal axis, the frequency components in the vertical axis, > > >with the amplitude of each component indicated by shading. The > > lowest > > >tone recorded was about 390 hz, approximately a G. The first > > overtone > > >was at about 1070 hz, the next at about 1950 hz. These measurements > > >are +/5.4 hz with the scale and tool used. > > > > hm,,, for me overtones are multiples... > > > > >We attempted to match the tone by ear, to a synth patch that had > > >fundamental and 2 harmonics (390hz,1170hz, 1950hz , fund, 3rd and > > 5th > > >harmonics). We compared the audibly matched synth tone to the bowls > > >tone in the spectrogram. The fundamentals matched in frequency. > > What > > >we heard as tones in the bowl, matched what we heard on a minimal > > >overtone synth oscillator. These sounds differ by the first > > overtone > > >frequency. The synth has 1170hz (3rd harmonic) and the bowl has > > about > > >1070hz which is about 2.74 times the fundamental (390hz). > > > > may this mean that 390 is not the fundamental? > > Then again, I cannot find a fundamental with overtones 390 and > > 1070... > > I can easily imagine several fundamentals, so 390 and 1070 could be > > independent vibrations (axial-radial, for esample). > > But why is the third harmonic 1170 present? Did the 1070 "eat" it? > > > > More even I wonder now how they select the bowls: Could yours be a > > good one because the 5th harmonic appears cleanly... or a cheap one > > because the 3rd does not? :-) > > > > >We found no illusion between perceived pitch, and measure pitch with > > >the 2 types of sounds. The beats in the rubbed bowl do change the > > >character of the sound dramatically, however. > > > > I am not sure I understand what the beating sounds like... > > Is it a subharmonic maybe? > > Interference between the stick movement and some fundamental? > >I used the word beating, as the effect was rather like two tones very >close in frequency to each other, but not quite (say 1hz to 8 hz >difference). We hear this as a pulsation of amplitude as they go in >and out of phase, and reinforce and cancel each others output at a rate >of 1hz to 8hz. To me it sounds like "yun yun yun yun". It is amplitude >modulation (of the tones of the bowl). > >I find it interesting that this frequency range (of the pulsing) covers >the lower end of the brain wave frequencies that are known to be very >deep relaxation, meditation, and altered states of conscienceness. >Could this entrain the brain to these frequencies like flashing light >can? > >So, what I heard and see on the spectrogram is the amplitude of the >tones pulsing, at a 1hz to 8hz rate. Somehow the stick rate influences >it, maybe as it hits nodes and antinodes of the movement (wave) on the >edge of the bell (this is wild, pure speculation). > >Lindsays' reference (http://www.mmk.ei.tum.de/persons/ter.html) to the >Ernst Terhardt has some great research topics. > >See http://www.mmk.ei.tum.de/persons/ter/top/strikenote.html for an >interesting article on the part-tone series of bells, and that they do >not fit the normal harmonic series (and what that does to human >interpretation of pitch). > >My use of the word 'overtones' seems to be confusing. I was not sure >what to call these nonharmonic part-tones. I called them overtones >because they are over (higher in freq) the lowest tone produced (what I >considered the fundamental). Typically part-tones of musical >instruments are harmonic (multiples), except in clangorous tones (like >bells) where some partials appear out of place. > >bret > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. >http://im.yahoo.com/ "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 20:19:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13697; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:18:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:18:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007b01c03a2b$120cb000$26ae5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: 10/21/00 Phila PA Gig AND Singing Bowls Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:17:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the heads up -- just in time for tonight's show! Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox -----Original Message----- From: Legion To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, October 19, 2000 12:04 PM Subject: 10/21/00 Phila PA Gig AND Singing Bowls >Just saw this. A great monthly electronic/music show in Phila PA.: >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >VI. SAT OCT 21 > THE GATE TO MOONBASE ALPHA > (Collette Carter, Transient, Ben Morgan, and Quentin Davis) > SINGING BOWL CACOPHONY PARTY following > 8PM-12PM at the Rotunda (4012 Walnut Street) > ALL AGES FREE, FREE FOOD TOo! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 22:21:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15995; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:18:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:18:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001019221203.007bebf0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:12:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: 10/21/00 Phila PA Gig AND Singing Bowls In-Reply-To: <39EF19E0.B4811071@voicenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <6p6lXC.A.s5D.ys675@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:57 AM 10/19/00 -0400, you wrote: >Bring your resonating quartz or metal bowls for a singing bowl party. >Tell all of your freaky friends who always fantasized about what it >would sound like to play a hundred bowls together! But that's not the freakiest part... what about the 37 guys in the front row who brought their oscilloscopes? You don't see THAT every day! :^) -t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 02:47:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA18962; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 02:42:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 02:42:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Hugo Haesaert" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:40:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: mechanical looping instruments (was singing bowls) Reply-To: hugo.haesaert@skynet.be Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <20001018225346.16010.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <20001020064121.964BBD9B5@morpheus.skynet.be> Resent-Message-ID: <2pWKwB.A.KoE.Rk-75@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All ! Hurdy-gurdy ? Cheers . Keep 'em oscillating :) Hugo = From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 04:49:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20482; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 04:47:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 04:47:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c03a72$36f236a0$6ebdfea9@z5k2e6> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <39CFBB16.F4448856@mindspring.com> <39D044BD.4A2AA0B2@vtx.ch> Subject: Hello Folks! Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:46:16 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <8_UwWC.A.y_E.kZA85@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I've got the PC setup working here in London UK now, after a harrowing month involving: * Getting married (Aug 26!) * Closing up shop in Alhambra, CA * Honeymooning in Maui * Continuing to close up shop in Alhambra * Moving nearly everything to London (with little help from Virgin Cargo LAX - ugh!) * Finding step-down transformers for all the equipment * Blowing up my 12v input scanner with the 20v power supply for my tape drive (I could've done this in the US and saved a lot of shipping) ...and in the last month, I've learned NEVER, NEVER, NEVER! use Namesecure as your mail forwarding. Because of ineptitude if not outright bot-based sabotage on their part, my domain record was screwed to the max for over a month... which (for those who don't know) sent my email to NOWHERE and eliminated my web pages from view (and therefore my presence on Das Infobahn) from late August until NOW. I had to threaten legal action through a solicitor before they'd stop modifying my domain listing on top of my own changes, despite their not being permitted to do so. All of this started when I asked to terminate the "service" in late August! So to all of you who attempted to email me, and thought me to have become a non-person (a quest on the part of a certain organization calling itself a "church" despite its actual cult status), my humble apologies for the misinformation you may have received. My domain (earthlight.net) is now in full running, and will be featuring Windows Media files soon, instead of Real - so none of my new listeners won't have to worry about serreptitiously being signed up for AOL services, amongst other evils... and, in the future, streaming video. Presently married life is settling down now that the boxes aren't cluttering the flat as much as they DID (boy was that a stress source!) and soon I'll be producing new music here. All that remains is to replace the transformer on my Mackie 1202VLZ (which can't be opened apparently without some kind of socketed hex tool) and I'll be able to go with it. All this without causing the London Fire of 2000! Whew! Well, I'm looking forward to seeing your posts once again, and hearing from you otherwise. Cheers! Stephen Goodman spgoodman@earthlight.net http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 10:04:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22984; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:03:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:03:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.77.161.2] From: "space module" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: mieke@sherman.be Subject: SHERMAN Website Update: User's Forum/Filterbank Demo movie Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:01:59 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2000 14:01:59.0510 (UTC) FILETIME=[506F7760:01C03A9E] Resent-Message-ID: <_I5M4D.A.9mF.2BF85@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Loopers, Here is a little information about changes at the Sherman site. They make a couple of very nice boxes to Filter your sounds with either before or after they are looped. Very high quality, I certainly like mine. Thanks for all of the interesting threads lately about Singing Bowl Theory and thanks for the bandwidth. sm Message from Sherman: " To all people who own a Sherman Filterbank, or who are interested in obtaining more information about it : we can now announce that we have updated our website to include a brand new USERS' FORUM and a DEMONSTRATION VIDEO- movie.   You can check this all out at our website : http://www.sherman.be So you can share informations / questions etc...with each other on our USERS' FORUM (which we will try to read and follow up from time to time). Please use it intensively ! We know that our website might not be the most modern one, but it's very hard to find good webmasters in our country Belgium, where the computing companies, people, software & equipment is light years behind e.g. the USA. Still we manage to find nice people here who were willing to update our website for free.  Hope you understand this situation, and forgive us for our not-so-super-modern website, thanks for your time, Mieke Frère mieke@sherman.be " _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 11:04:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23946; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:03:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:03:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:59:35 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: NYC gig, 10/24: Charles Cohen, Tom Ritchford at Bunker: extreme Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yet another gig - thanks for your attention. I'm a "classic" looper with loopers (DL-4, Headrush) and delays, but Charles uses delays and his own "sequences" on the Music Easel to get similar effects. The intermittent Bunker: extreme series continues with an evening of live electronic music featuring Charles Cohen and myself, Tom Ritchford. Charles Cohen is a master synthesist, manipulator of a classic Buchla synth (I believe it's the Music Easel, ) I manipulate my voice, my electronic wind instrument and recently an electronic hand-drum through effects and loopers to get an effect that has been described as a "celestial glee-club" (though it can be darker than that...) The show's on Tuesday, October 24 at 10pm. It's in the KnitActive Soundstage in the Knitting Factory (74 Leonard St, NY, NY) and the cost is an affordable $5. Charles will be taking the first set, I'll be playing second and we'll end up the evening with a live improvisation featuring both of us together for the first time. Hope to see you there! /t ...bunker:extreme (10/24) .. ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 11:28:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24254; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:22:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:22:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: NYC gig, 10/24 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:20:07 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 10/20/2000 10:20:14 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You guys are making me envious with your incessant, "Another night of Looping Nirvana!" gig announcements. I'm left at home wondering whether it's even legal to loop in Texas. The MusiCal database on the Loopers' Delight site is a good idea, but there are no listings currently. Has anyone heard rumor of a looping community in Dallas? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 11:32:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24410; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:31:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:31:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ce01c03aab$e6578d50$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> From: "Pulse 8" To: References: Subject: Re: NYC gig, 10/24 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:39:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, but I'm from Dallas, and I loop with software. Perhaps we could hook up? Joshua Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 - Pulse 8 Music Project http://www.egroups.com/community/loopoftheday - Free Loop Of The Day http://www.egroups.com/community/sampleoftheday - Free Sample Of The Day http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey - Personal Home Page ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 10:20 AM Subject: Re: NYC gig, 10/24 > > You guys are making me envious with your incessant, "Another night of > Looping Nirvana!" gig announcements. I'm left at home wondering whether > it's even legal to loop in Texas. The MusiCal database on the Loopers' > Delight site is a good idea, but there are no listings currently. > > Has anyone heard rumor of a looping community in Dallas? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 11:34:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24609; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:34:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:34:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: looping in Dallas Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:30:12 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Has anyone heard rumor of a looping community in Dallas? There is a sizeable looping community in Dallas. The Boomerang is even made here. 99 Names of God is a local band that does significant looping (boomerang and an EDP). Bands like Ohm use looped clarinet. I don't know of any "let's get together and loop" kinda events....many of us are too busy with current musical projects to get involved in new ones. Mike McGary (EDP and a Repeater on order) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 11:43:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24767; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:42:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:42:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: lindsay@pavestone.com Subject: Re: looping in Dallas To: X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:39:06 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dell.pavestone.com/Pavestone(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 10/20/2000 10:39:14 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's right, the 'Rang is made just over in Arlington, isn't it? And who, btw, did you order your Repeater from? Locally? Catalog? Internet? What price, if you don't mind? I'll be looking for info on 99 and Ohm. Are you performing in either? "Mike McGary" oft.com> cc: Subject: looping in Dallas 10/20/00 10:30 AM Please respond to mcgary > Has anyone heard rumor of a looping community in Dallas? There is a sizeable looping community in Dallas. The Boomerang is even made here. 99 Names of God is a local band that does significant looping (boomerang and an EDP). Bands like Ohm use looped clarinet. I don't know of any "let's get together and loop" kinda events....many of us are too busy with current musical projects to get involved in new ones. Mike McGary (EDP and a Repeater on order) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 11:51:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24914; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:50:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:50:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: RE: looping in Dallas Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:47:08 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > That's right, the 'Rang is made just over in Arlington, isn't it? I believe over by White Rock Lake (the guitarist from 99 Names of God just got his upgrade installed there). > And who, btw, did you order your Repeater from? Alto Music...part of the group buy. Can't say what price. > I'll be looking for info on 99 and Ohm. Are you performing in either? I am not in the current gigging version of 99 NOG...but I have recorded with them and continue to work on new material with them. I have played with the clarinet player from Ohm on several occasions. I'm pretty sure he uses 2 boomerangs at a time.... Check out www.99namesofgod.com. They are playing quite often these days. Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 14:47:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26920; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:46:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:46:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39EF4774.ED468ED0@earthlink.net> References: <20001018225346.16010.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> <39EF4774.ED468ED0@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:47:36 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: animal loops (was singing bowls) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >my wife and i got >married in joshua tree. our wedding took place outdoors, in a natural >ampitheatre created by millions of years of geologic upheaval I might consider getting married again... :-) >some very large and heavy swiss cowbells- another great sound source >for anyone interested oh yes, beeing swiss, I know this kind of ambient looping well. Its pretty calming, once there are enough cows and they are not too close to where you sleep. There are two kinds: The metal sheet ones dont sound really good, but are lighter, rather ergonomic for the cow. In the distant mix of a flock of cows they sound ok, but I would not recomend them for musicians. The molded ones are brilliant looking and sounding, but VERY loud (the only reason I dont have one). Consider the goat bells, too. Small but not fundamental. Snail bells must be handy, but I never saw one. :-) Here in Brasil we have some absolutely amazing frog loops going! >and convinced a few friends to clamber several hundred feet up into the >boulder-masses, with the intent of creating an ambient sonic backdrop for >the ceremony. the singing bowls were extremely audible (although the >cowbells had them beat for sheer volume), and it seemed clear that, over >the distance of several hundred feet, we were hearing some very low >fundamentals. this, of course, proves nothing did the priest say some fundamental things with a strong fundamental in his voice? :-) Probably all this talk of mine is just an excuse for not programming LOOP4... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 14:56:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27258; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:54:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:54:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c03ac7$e87a3580$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: animal loops (was singing bowls) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:59:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Noooo, don't stop! Om -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Friday, October 20, 2000 11:48 AM Subject: Re: animal loops (was singing bowls) >Probably all this talk of mine is just an excuse for not programming LOOP4... >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 15:11:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27511; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:10:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:10:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <30.b9f01bd.2721f206@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:07:50 EDT Subject: Re: animal loops (was singing bowls) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/20/00 4:44:31 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, matthias@grob.org writes: << flock of cows >> is that like a herd of birds?.............:)...............great band name!............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 17:07:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29352; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:06:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:06:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39F0B4EF.C386A88A@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:11:54 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: animal loops (was singing bowls) References: <20001018225346.16010.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> <39EF4774.ED468ED0@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias Grob wrote: > >my wife and i got > >married in joshua tree. our wedding took place outdoors, in a natural > >ampitheatre created by millions of years of geologic upheaval > > I might consider getting married again... :-) > > >some very large and heavy swiss cowbells- another great sound source > >for anyone interested > > oh yes, beeing swiss, I know this kind of ambient looping well. Its > pretty calming, once there are enough cows and they are not too close > to where you sleep. > > There are two kinds: > The metal sheet ones dont sound really good, but are lighter, rather > ergonomic for the cow. In the distant mix of a flock of cows they > sound ok, but I would not recomend them for musicians. > The molded ones are brilliant looking and sounding, but VERY loud > (the only reason I dont have one). > > Consider the goat bells, too. Small but not fundamental. > > Snail bells must be handy, but I never saw one. :-) > > Here in Brasil we have some absolutely amazing frog loops going! > > >and convinced a few friends to clamber several hundred feet up into the > >boulder-masses, with the intent of creating an ambient sonic backdrop for > >the ceremony. the singing bowls were extremely audible (although the > >cowbells had them beat for sheer volume), and it seemed clear that, over > >the distance of several hundred feet, we were hearing some very low > >fundamentals. this, of course, proves nothing > > did the priest say some fundamental things with a strong fundamental > in his voice? :-) > > Probably all this talk of mine is just an excuse for not programming LOOP4... > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org he was merely a *justice of the peace*, and, for better or worse, neither my wife nor i remember a word he spoke that day, aside from his answer to the question, "...when do you think the rain will stop?" which was, "oh, i'd give it another fifteen minutes or so..." more on topic, is it true that in switzerland the cowbells are tuned to specific pitches, so that the cows create distinct harmonies? this could lead to some interesting looping possibilities. i picture a group of cows being herded about the audience in a finely-choreographed dance. guests would have to carefully watch their footing upon leaving the event, however... also in brasil you have some excellent parrots. here in los angeles, there are clans of green parrots (evidently escapees from the trade in exotic species) that make their homes in several neighborhoods around town; my daughter calls them "circular birds" because of their habit of flying in large swooping orbits around the palm trees...natural loops... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 18:24:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30329; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:23:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:23:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.75.120.31] From: "Dennis Coggia" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: That Acid sure did the trick! Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:21:29 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2000 22:21:30.0053 (UTC) FILETIME=[18456750:01C03AE4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry, I couldn't resist. Thanks to all for the help. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 19:08:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31038; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:07:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:07:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [199.179.173.207] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: carson@belyeapower.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fruity Loops 2.7 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 23:05:30 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2000 23:05:30.0240 (UTC) FILETIME=[3DF1F800:01C03AEA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yea this app is the Bee's Knees!!! I have not upgraded to 2.7 as of yet, but I will. ( I am still at FL 2.5 ), and it's the BOMB! Maybe we can get a thread going on about us folks who use software based Loopers ? I am sure there are millions of us out there. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "CARSON ROBERTELLA" Reply-To: To: Subject: Fruity Loops 2.7 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:37:25 -0400 I was wondering if anyone else out there has been using fruity loops? It is a GREAT!! software based sequencer that has loads of onboard effects as well as compatibility with direct x plugging. You can load your own samples into the sequencer or use some of the preset sounds that come with the software. There is oscillators, LFO settings for the volume, cutoff, resonance ect, comes with on board synths, it can mimic the 303's found on rebirth. I have been using Fruity Loops for about a 6 months now, and could not consider making electronic loop based music without it. I generally use it for about 60% of my production and then import the Mix down into Cakewalk for finishing touches. I import most of my synth loops directly into Fruity Loops from a Roland JP 8000. I cant say enough about Fruity Loops at this time. It works very well with ACID. Infact it even saves the loops ACIDIZED. I am currently working on a new CD (electronica stuff) that will be up on mp3.com soon. I'll send the link when I get some tunes up. If you want to check out some of my other more traditional real time ambient work carson@belyeapower.com Belyea Co., Inc. Tel: (610) 515-8775 Fax: (610) 258-1230 CHECK OUT OUR WEBSITE AT: www.belyeapower.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 19:10:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31124; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:09:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:09:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 00:10:37 +0100 Subject: Re: animal loops (was singing bowls) From: "Martin Shellard" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Me and my friends decided a while ago that to avoid just this kind of embarrassment, all collective nouns would now become the same...a bunch. That's: a bunch of cows a bunch of birds a bunch of hippopotami a bunch of flock of seagulls (talking about great band names...: ) etc. Martin Shellard ---------- >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: animal loops (was singing bowls) >Date: Fri, Oct 20, 2000, 8:07 pm > > In a message dated 10/20/00 4:44:31 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, > matthias@grob.org writes: > > << flock of cows >> > > is that like a herd of birds?.............:)...............great band > name!............michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 19:14:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31228; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:13:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:13:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [199.179.173.207] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, wwld11@hotmail.com, devyne1@hotmail.com, lamontwtts@hotmail.com Subject: ZooM SampleTrak 234 Who Got One? Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 23:12:27 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2000 23:12:27.0470 (UTC) FILETIME=[36A236E0:01C03AEB] Resent-Message-ID: <8tkOa.A.tnH.4FN85@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello folks, this is the infamous DJ Devious D, and I have a observation. I have been reading through these post for some time, and I have noticed a disturbing trend... These post are not catagorized by any means. "What do you mean by that?", you say. These things should be broken down in catagories, of equipment, Loop experience, specific technical support type post. I have a ZooM Sample Trak 234, with a 16 Meg smartmedia card (I edit my samples on my PC, then upload them to the sampler. I use a bunch of different software to do this including Sound Forge 4.5, Cool Edit Pro and Recycle, but I have the darnest time working the dabnabbit thing. It drives me insane to sequence a series of samples to create a song (I need HALP!!!). So, are there any ZooM SampleTrak users out there, that are having a GOOD OLE time using the device? (I got mine from Sam Ash, for about 279.00, so the price was cool, but it's not as easy as my BOSS SP202, or even my ROLAND MS1, to operate). Any suggestions? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 19:15:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31336; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:14:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:14:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [199.179.173.207] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: kflint@loopers-delight.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Zoom Sample Track 224 Sponsorship Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 23:13:31 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2000 23:13:31.0911 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D0B2170:01C03AEB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have one of these wonderful Looping Tools, and I would like to sponsor a link to it. I have NO, idea how to do this, so can can you help. (Well, the website, or link setup is not a problem, I could do the HTML coding myself, but I have no idea how to get it linked to the LD site).I use this contraption in conjunction with my PC, and software from Sonic Foundry. I have learned some tricks and can offer some tips, for users of this device. I would also would like to have downloadable samples that can be used as Loops for the device. The original samples could be rendered in MP3, then converted to .WAV files and uploaded to the device, (the appropriate software, and Flashcard, with converter will be needed for this option). So how about it.... can LD give a brother a table dance, I mean a chance ? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 19:51:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31827; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:50:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:50:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:57:15 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: NYC gig, 10/24 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02cb01c03af1$78dc80a0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i live in the dfw area, but i am too new to looping to be a part of any "community" i know some of the guys in ohm. haven't heard 99 names of god yet, but they sound interesting... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 10:20 AM Subject: Re: NYC gig, 10/24 > > You guys are making me envious with your incessant, "Another night of > Looping Nirvana!" gig announcements. I'm left at home wondering whether > it's even legal to loop in Texas. The MusiCal database on the Loopers' > Delight site is a good idea, but there are no listings currently. > > Has anyone heard rumor of a looping community in Dallas? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 21 00:38:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02464; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 00:36:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 00:36:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39F0B4EF.C386A88A@earthlink.net> References: <20001018225346.16010.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> <39EF4774.ED468ED0@earthlink.net> <39F0B4EF.C386A88A@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 02:39:03 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: animal loops and the future Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >more on topic, is it true that in switzerland the cowbells are tuned >to specific >pitches, so that the cows create distinct harmonies? Only if the farmer buys them all from the same manufacturer :-) >this could lead to some >interesting looping possibilities. i picture a group of cows being >herded about >the audience in a finely-choreographed dance. guests would have to carefully >watch their footing upon leaving the event, however... Thanks for getting serious. Lets film this: Looping the picture, any cow can dance. Or use a computer, we can create any beauty now! >also in brasil you have some excellent parrots. here in los angeles, there are >clans of green parrots (evidently escapees from the trade in exotic species) >that make their homes in several neighborhoods around town; my >daughter calls them "circular birds" because of their habit of >flying in large swooping orbits around the palm trees...natural >loops... There are also spread "flocks" of sad dogs here in the city that comunicate through a big number of loosely synced (can you do that in MAX?) bark loops that grow and fade, gamelan like... I think I am going mad here... my head pulses... I just saw one of this terrifically optimistic american films about a high tech war against huge insects on some distant stars. People give their legs and lives for the believe that mankind can win against those neat creatures and their central "brain" worms... the corresponding power orchestra film music has definitally no loops in it! The only other kind of future films I remember are the ones where technology did not win and in the smoking cities anarchy takes over... *** Why can't we film a future that we would like to have? *** Wouldnt such film sell much better even and cost less to produce? As long as there is fear, there is no peace. The desire of domination is the desire of security, the lack of confidence which starts at the first lie... Is it really mankind who has these ugly visions, or just a decadent culture, or just Holywood? ... and during the comercials (really!) I switch to the educational channel and a biologist explains that the monkeys invented war and programmed their (and thus our) small brain to fight because the females only want to be fertilized by the best... How do we reprogram ourselves to get out of this cycle of suffering? A profound brain wash? Do loops help for this? Are we doing the right jobs? I am aware that I drift off topic and that it comes out wrong if everyone post his doubts of a bad day, but I am also sure that it all comes totally wrong if we dont step back frequently to visualize where we are heading for! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 21 01:21:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02853; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 01:20:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 01:20:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39F1275A.CB7061A1@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 22:19:22 -0700 From: Rick Walker Organization: Loop.pooL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: spatial looping, rhythmic looping References: <200010210438.AAA02497@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Regarding lance glover's comments on physical looping, we hatched an idea in the world music fusion group that I have had for the last 11 years, Worlds Collide, that has interesting looping possibilities. One of the games that we've been into is having everyperson in an improvisation take one note of a scale (and a found sound set of timbres such as blowing bottles, playing pvc pipe, playing metal pitched bells, etc.). We then pick a time signature and count it outloud. Everybody gets to play their one pitch on one of the metric units of that time signature (if you've never played this game before it is a great one for a party----hand out a different pitched bottle to every person and let them play on any eighth note that they choose in one measure of 4/4). The rule of the game is: you may only play one note and you must commit to whatever note that you have played (say, the 'and' of three in a measure of 4/4). It is actually hard to get musicians to discipline themselves to playing only one note and being content to being one cog in the musical machine. Ironically, this works best with non-musicians at a party. Anyway, long story made longer, we each choose a piece of abs plastic pipe (2" diameter with a rubber cap on the opposite end that you hit) that I had cut into a scale. We picked a 7/4 time signature, each took one metric place in it and played our respective notes with a zory (rubberized beach thong) as we walked in a circle around a hung stereo condenser mike. In this way, the resultant looping bass line literally plays in a circle around your head if you listen to it on headphones: rhythmically looped and spatially looped!!! It sounds very cool and would work as long as you have a direction sound source as you walk in a circle around the mic. Another cool thing is that the windows media player allows you to play a .wav file repeatedly, thus creating a loop. A cool experiment that I tried involved taking three persussion .wav files that had ambient tails and playing them each simultaneously in three opened windows media files. Because they each have random lengths they cycle in and out of each other. I started playing them whilst recording it all into Sound Forge. When all three sounds coincide I stop the recording. (it took about 20 seconds, all tolled) I then edited out the last combination of the three timbres playing simultanesouly and copied it a bunch of times and then programmed it as a coherent rhythm. Putting it all together, you have a completely random rhythmic thing that suddenly turns into a looped ostinato pattern. ----Rick Walker (aka, one of many Loop.pooLs) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 21 02:24:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03419; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 02:23:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 02:23:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200010210623.XAA14462@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 23:23:23 -0700 Subject: Princeton preamp From: "David Langenes" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, Does anyone have any opinion on what pedal(s) work best for overdriving a '65 Fender Princeton? This is my first tube amp. Thanks ---David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 21 04:20:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04684; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 04:19:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 04:19:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39F1529B.F92FD7A1@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 01:24:09 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Princeton preamp References: <200010210623.XAA14462@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0zyaGD.A.EJB.xFV85@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Langenes wrote: > Hi folks, > > Does anyone have any opinion on what pedal(s) work best for overdriving a > '65 Fender Princeton? This is my first tube amp. > > Thanks > ---David i think this is a question for our friend claude voit. just kidding, claude. anyway, i'd be happy to recommend one, as long as you're planning to do some looping with it :-) a first tube amp is a wonderful thing, if you can get it to distort (and sometimes even if you can't- a clean tube tone can be very beautiful); any of the usual suspects will do the job, i.e. tube screamer, rat, etc. there are i'm sure as many opinions as there are pedals that people own, but what's most important is what you want your music to sound like. i would recommend going to one of those stores that has lots of pedals (preferably one that isn't chock-full of testosterone-laden youth (or former youth) in the throes of guitar-god emulation), and trying several out on smaller tube combos (it also helps to use a similar guitar (the instrument i presume you play) to that which you'll most often be playing with that amp). after a while you will begin to bond with certain sonic characteristics, and this may lead you to a decision. some pedals are more flexible than others, which may be useful for getting more variety out of your amplifier; some are one-trick ponies, but have a certain sound that can't be replicated by anything else. you can go through a lot of gear purchases on the advise of others, and still not end up with something you like (i know, this was my experience when i first started buying equipment...). so, let your ears be the judge! i hope this helps. lance g. ps since this is a list devoted to looping, it helps to either a) include looping in your topic, or b) put "ot" in the subject header so those not interested in the vagarities of tube-dom can pass the thread by. just friendly advise.. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 21 04:57:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04883; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 04:46:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 04:46:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001021084547.96276.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 01:45:47 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: OT: Princeton preamp To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ps since this is a list devoted to looping, it helps > to either a) include > looping in your topic, or b) put "ot" in the subject > header so those not > interested in the vagarities of tube-dom can pass > the thread by. just > friendly advise.. Or, you could have asked for advice on a pedal to overdrive your "singing bowls". :) John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 21 05:16:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA05339; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 05:15:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 05:15:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39F15F83.44CF8698@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 02:19:20 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: spatial looping, rhythmic looping References: <200010210438.AAA02497@hemlock.violacea.com> <39F1275A.CB7061A1@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rick walker wrote: > ..It is actually hard to get musicians to discipline themselves to playing only one note > and > being content to being one cog in the musical machine. Ironically, this works best with > non-musicians at a party... not too surprising :-) > ..each took one metric place in it and played our respective > notes with a zory (rubberized beach thong) as we walked in a circle around a hung stereo > condenser mike. In this way, the resultant looping bass line literally plays in a circle > around your head if you listen to it on headphones: rhythmically looped and spatially > looped!!! It sounds very cool and would work as long as you have a direction sound source > as you walk in a circle around the mic. cool (and no messy shoes!)... > ...A cool experiment that I tried involved taking three > persussion .wav files that had ambient tails and playing them each simultaneously in three > opened windows media files. Because they each have random lengths they cycle in and out > of each other. I started playing them whilst recording it all into Sound Forge. When > all three sounds coincide I stop the recording. (it took about 20 seconds, all tolled) I > then edited out the last combination of the three timbres playing simultanesouly and > copied it a bunch of times and then programmed it as > a coherent rhythm. Putting it all together, you have a completely random rhythmic thing > that suddenly turns into a looped ostinato pattern... i'd love to hear this. is it on your cd? question: were the non-musicians at your party able to keep time in 7/4? i think most people are more capable than we generally give them credit for being (or they give themselves credit for being; there was a time in our lives when these distinctions didn't exist and all of us were musicians, artists, poets, etc. only some have left it behind for other things...) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 21 05:21:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA05425; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 05:20:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 05:20:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39F160F9.99EF8108@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 02:25:36 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Princeton preamp References: <20001021084547.96276.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John Tidwell wrote: > > ps since this is a list devoted to looping, it helps > > to either a) include > > looping in your topic, or b) put "ot" in the subject > > header so those not > > interested in the vagarities of tube-dom can pass > > the thread by. just > > friendly advise.. > > Or, you could have asked for advice on a pedal to > overdrive your "singing bowls". :) yes, i forgot to mention that. :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 21 06:28:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA05743; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 06:27:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 06:27:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39F1ED1E.93AC876D@vtx.ch> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:23:10 -0700 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: [Fwd: Re: OT: Princeton preamp] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: OT: Princeton preamp Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:22:35 -0700 From: Claude Voit To: baumhaus@earthlink.net References: <200010210623.XAA14462@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <39F1529B.F92FD7A1@earthlink.net> lance glover wrote: > > David Langenes wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > > Does anyone have any opinion on what pedal(s) work best for overdriving a > > '65 Fender Princeton? This is my first tube amp. > > > > Thanks > > ---David > > i think this is a question for our friend claude voit. > I ban es tube creamer ts 808 Claude :=) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 21 07:26:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA06132; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 07:25:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 07:25:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c03b51$22bbd9e0$46ad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #187 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 07:21:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <7AzLcC.A.mfB.f0X85@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #187 October 19, 2000. On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Tangerine Dream as this year's annual Oktoberfest celebration. The feature CD at Midnight was "Poland" on the Jive Electro label. I played the music of Vidna Obmana in anticipation of his upcoming November 4 performance at the Gathering. I also played a tape of an exclusive interview I conducted with Vidna as a special thank you to our listeners during the Fall 2K Membership Drive. Tangerine Dream http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2000/focus00.html#oct The Gathering http://www.thegatherings.org/29gather.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Wendy Carlos Brandenburg Concerto #2 Switched On Boxed Set Highlights in F Major, Movement III Allegro Assai (East Side Digital) VA [Larry Kucharz] Cosmology Voyager (AdAstra) Taped telephone interview with Vidna Obmana underscored by: Steve Roach & Vidna Obmana (exerpt from) Circles & Artifacts (The Contemporary Harmonic) Steve Roach & The Lair The Serpent's Lair (Projekt) Byron Metcalf Rudy Adrian Before Dawn The Healing Lake (White Cloud) 12:00 am Tangerine Dream Poland Poland (Jive Electro) Tangerine Dream Barbakane Poland (Jive Electro) Tangerine Dream Horizon Poland (Jive Electro) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Tangerine Dream to celebrate Oktoberfest EMUSIC-style. The feature CD at midnight will be "Stratosphere" on the Virgin label. I will also play the music of Vidna Obmana in anticipation of his November 4 performance at the Gathering. And Music for Isolation Tanks will be performing at the Borders Bookstore in Whitehall on November 10. I will play music to support this event, too. See the EMUSIC events page for details on both concerts. The Events Page http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 21 08:45:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06562; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 08:44:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 08:44:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008301c03b5c$2b68eaa0$46ad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Top 20 Report for October 2000 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 08:40:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EMUSIC - Monthly Top 20 for October, 2000 Top 20 as Reported to NAV and CD Revolutions WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice and CD Revolutions for October, 2000. Shows #183 to #186; 21-September-2000 to 14-October-2000 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net CONTACT: billfox@fast.net ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ ARC - Radio Sputnik - DiN Dave Fulton - Hard Particles - Eurock dream STATE - Between Realities - E Space Foreign Spaces - Phaeton - Invisible Shadows Free System Projekt - Pointless Reminder - Quantum Giles Reaves - Sacred Space - Space for Music Jeffery Fayman & Robert Fripp - A Temple in the Clouds - Tranceportation/Projekt Jonn Serrie & Gary Stroutsos - Hidden World - Narada Loren Nerell - The Venerable Dark - Amplexus Markus Reuter - Digitalis - none Michael Stearns and Ron Sunsinger - Sorcerer - Spotted Peccary Mychael Danna and Tim Clement - Another Sun - Chacra Alternative Roach & Reyes - Vine, Bark & Spore - Timeroom Editions Spacecraft - Twentieth Century Mix - Space for Music Steve Roach & Elmar Schulte - Solitaire:Ritual Ground - Projekt Tangerine Dream - Phaedra - Virgin Tony Gerber - Altimira - Space for Music Various Artists - Ambient Landscapes 2 - Dark Duck Various Artists - Voyager - AdAstra William Linton - Wayfarer - Space for Music Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 21 17:45:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11910; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 17:43:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 17:43:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 16:49:42 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: spatial looping, rhythmic looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02fd01c03ba8$d221aa20$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <200010210438.AAA02497@hemlock.violacea.com> <39F1275A.CB7061A1@cruzio.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this sounds like great fun. a more rigorous method of 'pointillism' is used in cuban bata drumming. i have only barely been introduced to it but put simply, three players play one drum each with a low pitched head on the right and a high pitched head on the left. (thus six pitches) there are sets of patterns that are worked out and there are groups that do more improv. of course there are several ways to strike the drums for different sounds as well. it's quite a bit more difficult than what you are suggesting but similar in nature. hearing the whole pattern while playing only your piece of it is a great meditation exercise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" To: Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 12:19 AM Subject: spatial looping, rhythmic looping > Regarding lance glover's comments on physical looping, we hatched an idea > in the world music fusion group that I have had for the last 11 years, Worlds Collide, > that has interesting looping possibilities. > One of the games that we've been into is having everyperson in an improvisation take > one note of a scale (and a found sound set of timbres such as blowing bottles, playing pvc > pipe, playing metal pitched bells, etc.). We then pick a time signature and count it > outloud. > Everybody gets to play their one pitch on one of the metric units of that time signature > (if you've never played this game before it is a great one for a party----hand out a > different > pitched bottle to every person and let them play on any eighth note that they choose in > one measure of 4/4). The rule of the game is: you may only play one note and you must > commit to whatever note that you have played (say, the 'and' of three in a measure of > 4/4). > It is actually hard to get musicians to discipline themselves to playing only one note and > being content to being one cog in the musical machine. Ironically, this works best with > non-musicians at a party. > Anyway, long story made longer, we each choose a piece of abs plastic pipe (2" > diameter with a rubber cap on the opposite end that you hit) that I had cut into a scale. > We picked a 7/4 time signature, each took one metric place in it and played our respective > notes with a zory (rubberized beach thong) as we walked in a circle around a hung stereo > condenser mike. In this way, the resultant looping bass line literally plays in a circle > around your head if you listen to it on headphones: rhythmically looped and spatially > looped!!! It sounds very cool and would work as long as you have a direction sound source > as you walk in a circle around the mic. > > Another cool thing is that the windows media player allows you to play a .wav file > repeatedly, thus creating a loop. A cool experiment that I tried involved taking three > persussion .wav files that had ambient tails and playing them each simultaneously in three > opened windows media files. Because they each have random lengths they cycle in and out > of each other. I started playing them whilst recording it all into Sound Forge. When > all three sounds coincide I stop the recording. (it took about 20 seconds, all tolled) I > then edited out the last combination of the three timbres playing simultanesouly and > copied it a bunch of times and then programmed it as > a coherent rhythm. Putting it all together, you have a completely random rhythmic thing > that suddenly turns into a looped ostinato pattern. > ----Rick Walker (aka, one of many Loop.pooLs) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 21 18:04:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12215; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 18:03:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 18:03:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <4f.261f142.27236c4f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 18:01:51 EDT Subject: Re: spatial looping, rhythmic looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wonderful stuff rick!...............thanks..............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 21 19:07:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13061; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 19:06:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 19:06:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <73.7da0d73.27237b4f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 19:05:51 EDT Subject: Re: animal loops and the future To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/21/00 2:36:35 AM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, matthias@grob.org writes: << it all comes totally wrong if we dont step back frequently to visualize where we are heading for! >> gads........i truely hope that our future is not all "flocked" up!.........alfred hitchcock already did that movie...........suffering-frog loops-manufactured cows-central "brain" worms, all ideas worth considering...........:)..........the air in brazil must be wonderful or is it the water?..............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 21 21:34:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14386; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:33:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:33:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200010220133.SAA18667@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 18:33:32 -0700 Subject: re: "OT" princeton advice From: "David Langenes" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks to all for the help. I'm not a looper myself but I can't resist popping in every once in awhile with a question; You guys are like the 'ask jeeves' of musical gear! Anyway, thanks again and I'll "ot" next time. --David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 22 06:06:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA18956; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 06:04:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 06:04:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 03:00:48 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Zoom Sample Track 224 Sponsorship In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:13 PM -0700 10/20/00, Devious D_MasterMixer wrote: >I have one of these wonderful Looping Tools, and I would like to sponsor a >link to it. >I have NO, idea how to do this, so can can you help. (Well, the website, or >link setup is not a problem, I could do >the HTML coding myself, but I have no idea how to get it linked to the LD >site).I use this contraption in conjunction with my PC, and software from >Sonic Foundry. >I have learned some tricks and can offer some tips, for users of this >device. >I would also would like to have downloadable samples that can be used as >Loops for the device. >The original samples could be rendered in MP3, then converted to .WAV files >and uploaded to the device, (the appropriate software, and Flashcard, with >converter will be needed for this option). >So how about it.... can LD give a brother a table dance, I mean a chance ? > well Mr. D, a table dance from me will cost you big. ...but contributing web pages to Looper's Delight is easy! All you have to do is send something useful in to me, and I will put it up on the site. No forms to fill out, nothing to sign, no tests to pass. Piece of cake! It's best if you can send me html pages formatted reasonably like the rest of the site. Basically, the less I have to do to it, the sooner it goes up. (I'm really busy lately...) It sounds like you already have good ideas about what can go on a page for the Zoom sample track. So go to it! reviews, user tips, manual scans, pics, specs, etc. Whatever you think the world out there would like to know about it. Good, useful, honest information: the world wants it. Send the pages to me and I will add them to the site. When people send something in, I like it if they can get something out of it in return. So feel free to give yourself credit on anything you send in. Lately I've been offering people free advertising on the LD site for their personal projects if they make some content contribution. You just have to give me an ad banner and I'll put it in the rotation for a generous amount of time. Fame and fortune should be yours shortly after. Remember, Looper's Delight is a group effort. It's created by you and people like you, adding your little bit of knowledge for the world to share. If it were all done by me it would really suck, I assure you. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 22 09:33:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20280; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 09:31:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 09:31:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011a01c03c2c$50e0a0e0$085a893e@oemcomputer> From: "Lee Fletcher" To: Subject: CENTROZOON : Website Update (Off-Topic) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 14:30:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A quick update on all things 'Bibbiboo'... Since my original post producer Derek Difilippo has uploaded a further fourteen mix excerpts for public scrutiny, with several more on the way soon. It's sounding very good :-) For those who missed my previous announcement - connoisseurs of freeform electronica CENTROZOON are currently mixing (their forthcoming album) 'The Cult Of : Bibbiboo' in the public realm. Web visitors are actively encouraged to sample, comment, and potentially shape the production. To sample this inspired work-in-progress please visit:- http://www.centrozoon.de Hope to see you there :-) Regards, Lee Fletcher. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 22 09:47:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20445; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 09:46:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 09:46:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39F2EFF3.6D154079@t-online.de> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 15:47:32 +0200 From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) Reply-To: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hiwatt 100 Custom DR103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0265142411-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, The Hiwatt is an incredible machine.eventhough really vintage an ear- killing device.For guitar usage far to loud.It is not easy to overdrive it,and the overdriving kills wether your ears or the sound is a question. Nevertheless one of the best Tube Amps ever made.For looping I use two Hiwatts(Stereo).The signals will not be coloured and presented with this punch in the neck,like only a Hiwatt can. For the pure guitarsound I use a "not so original" Hiwatt DC 20.At an reasonable Volume I can get from it the overdrive/distortion I need. For more routing flexibility,I use two Marshall SE100 for the Hiwatts 100. Does anyone else also use this old beasts for a looping Setup ? One quality point of the Hiwatts was,that they are nearly indestructable.(even over decades). Marty From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 22 22:09:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28687; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:08:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:08:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:10:46 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: software based Loopers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Devious D_MasterMixer suggests: >Maybe we can get a thread going on about us folks who use software >based Loopers ? I am sure there are millions of us out there. go ahead, very interesting... real time? Midi or Audio? on stage, too? (or compatible to a HW looper for this?) synced to HW looping? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 02:27:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31735; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 02:25:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 02:25:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <384665016.972282309829.JavaMail.root@web349-mc> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 02:25:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Porter To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: software based Loopers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 216.78.190.82 Resent-Message-ID: <9ce9nD.A.ovH.Dn985@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great. I've got something I'd like some opinions on. I'm trying to decide between getting Emagic Logic (4.5) or Steinberg Cubase VST (5.0). I'm playing around with the Cubase demo and its great. But I'm wondering if Logic wouldn't be a better choice? I've heard some not-so-good things about Steinberg's support, but they do have the demo and a nice website at Cubase.net. I'd definitely be using the audio features of the sequencer and although I don't have midi gear, I would be getting some softsynths in the near future to use with the sequencer. I really like the Waldorf PPG Wave and the Native Instruments Pro-52 VST instruments. I'm wondering if it might not be worth getting those two or a modular softsynth (like NI's Reaktor) and Logic Gold or the plain-Jane version of Cubase as it would be close to the same price as getting Logic Platinum or Cubase VST 32. Again, any opinions on this? I would be doing some non-live looping of both audio and midi as well as some recording and mixing, etc. And, since I don't have a keyboard, I've been putting the midi notes in with the mouse, which is rather cumbersome in Cubase. Is this any better in Logic? My audio hardware is pretty basic: a Soundblaster type soundcard. I'm not too worried about that at the moment since the computer isn't a DAW and I don't plan on recording anything more than "demo quality" guitar and bass anytime real soon. Right now I'm running Windows 98 SE on a kind of old PC. The Cubase demo is running fine with some VST instruments and effects going. I'll probably upgrade it soon. I'm seriously considering getting a Mac instead of upgrading for various reasons; a much more efficient user interface than Windows being one of the main ones (check out http://www.asktog.com/ for those interested). I would be great if I could get some suggestions about this. Right now I'm leaning towards Cubase VST 32, but for some rather superficial and somewhat silly reasons. It would be great if anyone could give some real reasons (extra features, possible better UI, etc.) to go with Logic instead of Cubase. Thanks in advance for any help. Ben Porter. -- On Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:10:46 Matthias Grob wrote: >Devious D_MasterMixer suggests: > >>Maybe we can get a thread going on about us folks who use software >>based Loopers ? I am sure there are millions of us out there. > >go ahead, very interesting... >real time? >Midi or Audio? >on stage, too? (or compatible to a HW looper for this?) >synced to HW looping? >-- ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 07:03:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01281; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 07:01:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 07:01:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c03ce0$780af9e0$8183abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: "Loop" Subject: creative mixing Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:24:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C03CEC.334CE640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C03CEC.334CE640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there anyone who's using a mixing setup that allows to loop an = effected sound and re-process this loop in to the same processor the = original sound has been treated ? I mean a live and real time setup, so physical plug/unplugs or not = allowed and you have to use a peronal mixer: one of those can be = rackmounted, not a studio board. Try to think it with 3 effect processor with stereo inputs/outputs and 2 = loopers: one with mono and one with stereo input/outputs. Luca ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C03CEC.334CE640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is there anyone who's using a mixing setup that = allows to=20 loop an effected sound and re-process this loop in to the same processor = the=20 original sound has been treated ?
I mean a live and real time setup, so physical=20 plug/unplugs or not allowed and you have to use a peronal mixer: one of = those=20 can be rackmounted, not a studio board.
Try to think it with 3 effect processor with = stereo=20 inputs/outputs and 2 loopers: one with mono and one with stereo=20 input/outputs.
 
Luca
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C03CEC.334CE640-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 07:36:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01522; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 07:34:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 07:34:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c03ce5$2d8bd510$a0a26099@izmmpc33.izm-m.fhg.de> Reply-To: "Rainer Straschill" From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: Re: creative mixing Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:34:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C03CF5.EFE61020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C03CF5.EFE61020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there anyone who's using a mixing setup that allows to loop an = effected sound and re-process this loop in to the same processor the = original sound has been treated ? I mean a live and real time setup, so physical plug/unplugs or not = allowed and you have to use a peronal mixer: one of those can be = rackmounted, not a studio board. Try to think it with 3 effect processor with stereo inputs/outputs = and 2 loopers: one with mono and one with stereo input/outputs. Luca, I use a live rack centered around a Behringer MX2642A Eurodesk (26 = Channels, 4 Busses, 6 Auxs). The effects used are a Digitech Studio4 = (Aux 1&2), Sony GR-MP5 (Aux 3) and MAM RS3 Filter (Aux 5) and a Korg = AX1000G (fed by the bass guitar). Loop-related devices are a Line6 DL4 = (Bus 1&2), Emu ESi-32 Sampler (Bus 3&4), Akai Headrush (Aux 4) and = Digitech RDS 2001 (Aux 6). So, I might take a soprano sax sound (from the mic connected to Channel = 2 of the mixer), send it through the Sony (by turning the Aux 3 up on = Channel 2), then route the Sony (Channel 15/16) and mabye the sax (Ch 2) = to Bus 1&2, loop it with the DL4, which comes back to Channel 3&4, where = I can reprocess the whole loop with any means desirable. The entire crap is mounted in a 20HE rack, plus a 2-manual Keyboard = stand (Korg Prophecy and Yamaha SY85) and a Quasimidi Sirius sitting on = top of the rack, and lots of pedals on the floor (AX1000G, headrush, DL4 = & various footswitches/pedals). This what you were thinking about ? Rainer ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C03CF5.EFE61020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is there anyone who's using a mixing setup = that allows=20 to loop an effected sound and re-process this loop in to the same = processor=20 the original sound has been treated ?
I mean a live and real time setup, so = physical=20 plug/unplugs or not allowed and you have to use a peronal mixer: one = of=20 those can be rackmounted, not a studio board.
Try to think it with 3 effect processor with = stereo=20 inputs/outputs and 2 loopers: one with mono and one with stereo=20 input/outputs.
Luca,
 
I use a live rack centered around a = Behringer=20 MX2642A Eurodesk (26 Channels, 4 Busses, 6 Auxs). The effects used are a = Digitech Studio4 (Aux 1&2), Sony GR-MP5 (Aux 3) and MAM RS3 Filter = (Aux 5)=20 and a Korg AX1000G (fed by the bass guitar). Loop-related devices are a = Line6=20 DL4 (Bus 1&2), Emu ESi-32 Sampler (Bus 3&4), Akai Headrush (Aux = 4) and=20 Digitech RDS 2001 (Aux 6).
 
So, I might take a soprano sax sound = (from the=20 mic connected to Channel 2 of the mixer), send it through the Sony (by = turning=20 the Aux 3 up on Channel 2), then route the Sony (Channel 15/16) and = mabye the=20 sax (Ch 2) to Bus 1&2, loop it with the DL4, which comes back to = Channel=20 3&4, where I can reprocess the whole loop with any means=20 desirable.
 
The entire crap is mounted in a 20HE rack, plus a = 2-manual=20 Keyboard stand (Korg Prophecy and Yamaha SY85) and a Quasimidi Sirius = sitting on=20 top of the rack, and lots of pedals on the floor (AX1000G, headrush, DL4 = &=20 various footswitches/pedals).
 
This what you were thinking about ?
 
 
          &nbs= p;=20 Rainer
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C03CF5.EFE61020-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 08:16:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01982; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 08:13:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 08:13:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39F42BD5.FF21DED@t-online.de> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:15:18 +0200 From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) Reply-To: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: software based Loopers References: <384665016.972282309829.JavaMail.root@web349-mc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0265142411-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <5stfKC.A.ve.dtC95@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ben, I would highly recommend the Emagic Logic instead of Steinbergs Cubase. Logic is simply said,better developed and does not prepare "Stress" in usual work.Also it is easier to use. Marty Ben Porter schrieb: > > Great. I've got something I'd like some opinions on. I'm trying to decide > between getting Emagic Logic (4.5) or Steinberg Cubase VST (5.0). I'm > playing around with the Cubase demo and its great. But I'm wondering if > Logic wouldn't be a better choice? I've heard some not-so-good things about > Steinberg's support, but they do have the demo and a nice website at > Cubase.net. > > I'd definitely be using the audio features of the sequencer and although I > don't have midi gear, I would be getting some softsynths in the near future > to use with the sequencer. I really like the Waldorf PPG Wave and the Native > Instruments Pro-52 VST instruments. I'm wondering if it might not be worth > getting those two or a modular softsynth (like NI's Reaktor) and Logic Gold > or the plain-Jane version of Cubase as it would be close to the same price > as getting Logic Platinum or Cubase VST 32. Again, any opinions on this? > > I would be doing some non-live looping of both audio and midi as well as > some recording and mixing, etc. And, since I don't have a keyboard, I've > been putting the midi notes in with the mouse, which is rather cumbersome in > Cubase. Is this any better in Logic? My audio hardware is pretty basic: a > Soundblaster type soundcard. I'm not too worried about that at the moment > since the computer isn't a DAW and I don't plan on recording anything more > than "demo quality" guitar and bass anytime real soon. > > Right now I'm running Windows 98 SE on a kind of old PC. The Cubase demo is > running fine with some VST instruments and effects going. I'll probably > upgrade it soon. I'm seriously considering getting a Mac instead of > upgrading for various reasons; a much more efficient user interface than > Windows being one of the main ones (check out http://www.asktog.com/ for > those interested). > > I would be great if I could get some suggestions about this. Right now I'm > leaning towards Cubase VST 32, but for some rather superficial and somewhat > silly reasons. It would be great if anyone could give some real reasons > (extra features, possible better UI, etc.) to go with Logic instead of > Cubase. Thanks in advance for any help. > > Ben Porter. > > -- > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:10:46 Matthias Grob wrote: > >Devious D_MasterMixer suggests: > > > >>Maybe we can get a thread going on about us folks who use software > >>based Loopers ? I am sure there are millions of us out there. > > > >go ahead, very interesting... > >real time? > >Midi or Audio? > >on stage, too? (or compatible to a HW looper for this?) > >synced to HW looping? > >-- > > ______________________________________________ > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 08:23:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02147; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 08:19:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 08:19:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39F42D1F.AC9C29B8@t-online.de> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:20:48 +0200 From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) Reply-To: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: creative mixing References: <000a01c03ce0$780af9e0$8183abd4@a6d4z2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0265142411-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Luca, I use such a mixing Setup,with several ways of looping.I have also an automated patchbay wich I can control over MIDI.So nearly every routing is possible by a footswitch. I like to "feedback" the looping device out to an input channel of my rack mixingonsole.So I can shape the sound by equalizer and can determine how much the looping device gets a feed of themself. With an automated Patchbay,nearly every possible connection of all devices is possible. Such a Setup is a good choice and well to manage,also in livesituation. Marty > Luca schrieb: > > Is there anyone who's using a mixing setup that allows to loop an > effected sound and re-process this loop in to the same processor the > original sound has been treated ? > I mean a live and real time setup, so physical plug/unplugs or not > allowed and you have to use a peronal mixer: one of those can be > rackmounted, not a studio board. > Try to think it with 3 effect processor with stereo inputs/outputs and > 2 loopers: one with mono and one with stereo input/outputs. > > Luca > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 10:12:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03172; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:10:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:10:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:32:27 +0100 Subject: Re: software based Loopers From: "Martin Shellard" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Although this may not be of use to you PC users, any mac loopers out there should check out MOTU Digital Performer. Not only is it the most well thought out and "professional" sequencer (by that I mean the foundations of the app are solid with no hidden bloopers) but it has a built in looper called POLAR. You specify a time range and enter the polar window where you have a multi-track loop recorder, you can overdub on separate tracks and mix/pan. The recording is done in RAM so it's super fast and when you have your loop you can bounce it to disk either as a mix or onto separate tracks. As far as cubase v Logic, well I'm not a fan of either and I've used both but cubase on a PC? Forget about it, it has the WORST reputation of any DAW in history, I was on the cubase user list for a while and the number of complaints from PC cubase users was staggering, the thing can't even play audio and midi in time. Logic, although not very friendly and somewhat flawed in it's design is way, way better than cubase. Step time entry is pretty much the same in both. Martin Shellard ---------- >From: Ben Porter >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: software based Loopers >Date: Mon, Oct 23, 2000, 7:25 am > > Great. I've got something I'd like some opinions on. I'm trying to decide > between getting Emagic Logic (4.5) or Steinberg Cubase VST (5.0). I'm > playing around with the Cubase demo and its great. But I'm wondering if > Logic wouldn't be a better choice? I've heard some not-so-good things about > Steinberg's support, but they do have the demo and a nice website at > Cubase.net. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 11:20:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03845; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:18:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:18:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c03d04$2ba6f760$6987abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: Cc: "Loop" References: <000a01c03ce0$780af9e0$8183abd4@a6d4z2> <39F42D1F.AC9C29B8@t-online.de> Subject: R: creative mixing Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:13:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <8nEeSB.A.v7.FZF95@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Martin Tauchen wrote: > I use such a mixing Setup,with several ways of looping.I have also > an automated patchbay wich I can control over MIDI.So nearly every > routing is possible by a footswitch. > I like to "feedback" the looping device out to an input channel of > my rack mixingonsole.So I can shape the sound by equalizer and can > determine how much the looping device gets a feed of themself. > With an automated Patchbay,nearly every possible connection of all > devices is possible. > Such a Setup is a good choice and well to manage,also in livesituation. I know a SwitchBlade can fix it all, are you meaning this one when you say "automated patchbay" ? Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 12:34:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05182; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:33:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:33:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20001023112930.00851c40@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:29:30 -0500 To: Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Automated Patch Bays - Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm not really very familiar with automated patch bays, but I'm intrigued by the possibilities. What are some brands/models I should check out? I'm looking for maximum real time flexibility. Thanks, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 13:04:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05861; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:03:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:03:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008301c03d14$10827800$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT Midi controller Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:09:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0080_01C03CD9.6341CB80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C03CD9.6341CB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just got this off the Reaktor group- I wish I had a Mac.... Quote: Hey, this may be interesting for some macusers: just checked out a new piece of software: MiMi??(c)2000 TRIP MiMi is a software MIDI controller. You can click and drag on the pad = and send MIDI data assigned to the position on the pad. Especially, you can = use graphics tablet and can control data with pen pressure and tilt angle. found at: http://homepage1.nifty.com/tomo_ya/mimi-e.html Viele Gr=FCsse aus Frankfurt Michael Sprengart E-mail: msprengart@blumundufer.de ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C03CD9.6341CB80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just got this off the Reaktor group- I wish I had = a=20 Mac....
 
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just=20 checked out a new piece of software:


MiMi??(c)2000 = TRIP

MiMi=20 is a software MIDI controller. You can click and drag on the pad = and
send=20 MIDI data assigned to the position on the pad. Especially, you can=20 use
graphics tablet and can control data with pen pressure and tilt=20 angle.

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http://homepage1.= nifty.com/tomo_ya/mimi-e.html


 =20 Viele Gr=FCsse aus Frankfurt
  Michael Sprengart

  = E-mail: msprengart@blumundufer.de
------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C03CD9.6341CB80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 13:19:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06231; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:18:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:18:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20001023112930.00851c40@mail.airmail.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20001023112930.00851c40@mail.airmail.net> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:16:19 -0700 To: Michael Clark , Loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Automated Patch Bays - Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have several Akai MB-76 "Mix Bays" which were a truly useful part of my old analog looping rack. They have 7 inputs and 6 outputs, and any output can be set up as a mix of any number of the inputs. There isn't really any real-time fader control, but it's great for switching between patching effects in series, or combining them in parallel. MIDI program changes can recall different presets, or you can use a footswitch to step to the next preset. For real time volume control I used Niche ACM's, which are sort of like 8 MIDI volume pedals in a 1RU box. I also have a couple of the Akai PEQ-6 6-channel, 7 band programmable equalizers that are a sort of companion product, and somewhere, some Max patches to control the whole lot. I haven't used these in a long time but if someone else can, feel free to let me know off list. -Alex S. At 11:29 AM -0500 10/23/00, Michael Clark wrote: >Hi, > >I'm not really very familiar with automated patch bays, but I'm intrigued >by the possibilities. > >What are some brands/models I should check out? I'm looking for maximum >real time flexibility. > >Thanks, > >Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 13:40:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06661; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:35:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:35:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c03d16$a20a9030$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20001023112930.00851c40@mail.airmail.net> Subject: Re: Automated Patch Bays - Question Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:28:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Stahl" . . . > I have several Akai MB-76 "Mix Bays" which were a truly useful part > of my old analog looping rack. . . . Say, Alex, don't you use a Yamaha 03D mixer these days? I'm still spec'ing out a new system and I'm leaning toward a Yamaha 01V (non-quad panning but quite a bit cheaper than the 03D). I'm thinking that I probably don't need an automated (i.e., MIDI controllable) patch bay and use instead the MIDI controllable sends/receives on the 01V. So I could save on buying a Switchblade et al. As an owner/user of both M.O.s, what's your thoughts on this? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 14:19:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07447; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:17:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:17:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39F480F0.C9D9D9D2@t-online.de> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:18:26 +0200 From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) Reply-To: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: R: creative mixing References: <000a01c03ce0$780af9e0$8183abd4@a6d4z2> <39F42D1F.AC9C29B8@t-online.de> <002701c03d04$2ba6f760$6987abd4@a6d4z2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0265142411-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Luca schrieb: > > Martin Tauchen wrote: > > I use such a mixing Setup,with several ways of looping.I have also > > an automated patchbay wich I can control over MIDI.So nearly every > > routing is possible by a footswitch. > > I like to "feedback" the looping device out to an input channel of > > my rack mixingonsole.So I can shape the sound by equalizer and can > > determine how much the looping device gets a feed of themself. > > With an automated Patchbay,nearly every possible connection of all > > devices is possible. > > Such a Setup is a good choice and well to manage,also in livesituation. > > I know a SwitchBlade can fix it all, are you meaning this one when you say > "automated patchbay" ? > > Luca Hmmmm....,my auotomated patchbay is Custommade from Exef. In fact it is a kind of patchbay-but without any need of Patchcords. Better explanation would be,that it is a routing device. So several Inputs can be send to one out,or seperate Ins and outs. This depends on the user,wich configuration he needs.This can be stored in a programm,so if switching via Midi-Programm change,then the complete routing of my equipment will change. There are many ways how to route the signals. My Exef is flexible,but already a few years old,but functions still perfect. Akai had such a routingdevice in programme.A few years ago,and also there was an Ibanez routing device. Yeah,an automated patchbay is a Switchblade. Marty From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 14:29:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07863; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:28:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:28:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [199.179.173.200] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: software based Loopers Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:26:48 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2000 18:26:48.0947 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE846430:01C03D1E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I Devious D_MasterMixer suggests: >Maybe we can get a thread going on about us folks who use software >based Loopers ? I am sure there are millions of us out there. go ahead, very interesting... real time? Midi or Audio? on stage, too? (or compatible to a HW looper for this?) synced to HW looping? -- Lion, tigers and bears, oh my! I got somebody interested in this thread, but how do I address this situation? The questions above are valid, but depending on the Looping "need", it would be almost impossible to answer them universally. My need and setup will differ from say Tom Dilliger's or Bad Boy Bill's or DJ Quiver, and my performance needs will also differ. I am a DJ, not a Fat Boy Slim, but more of a Producer/ReMix artist, with aspirations of "Puffy-dom" type cash. I need quick and easy ways to extend breaks, create riffs and break beats, and I find that the software based apps like Sonic Foundry Acid, ReCyCle and yes even the hyped Mixman, has helped me in these efforts. The only piece of Looping HW I have that readily interfaces with my PC is the Zoom's Sample Track 224. I have a 16 meg smartmedia card and adapter, that I use to upload loops I create in Fruity Loops 2.5, or Acid Pro 2.0. The sequencer is rudimentary, but it helps in a pinch. The Time Stretch function is cool, and is very "clean' (no warble like in my Dr. Sample 202). Now these creations I remix, I simply render to a CD, and viola, I am mixing "live" with that. Trying to do this live, between a turntable setup, and my KAOS PAD would drive me silly. My original thoughts was to see if there are more DJ's out there using the PC based looping apps for anything. I have spent more money on Apps than Dj Hardware for the last 8 months, so I am just trying to get a feel of what my bretheren are doing.(I also built a new PC, a little Pentium III 550 Mhz with 256 megs of RAM, and a sweet-ahz soundcard, for under 250 bucks, I will upgrade it to the 733 Mhz, when they come down in price this month).That baby sings when I use those resource hog apps like Cool Edit Pro, and Dream Station 1.0. Now, that's all, in a gnutshell (a little UNIX joke). _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 16:40:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10180; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:38:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:38:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003301c03d16$a20a9030$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20001023112930.00851c40@mail.airmail.net> <003301c03d16$a20a9030$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:36:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Automated Patch Bays - Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Dennis Leas" writes: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alex Stahl" >. . . > > I have several Akai MB-76 "Mix Bays" which were a truly useful part > > of my old analog looping rack. . . . > >Say, Alex, don't you use a Yamaha 03D mixer these days? > >I'm still spec'ing out a new system and I'm leaning toward a Yamaha 01V >(non-quad panning but quite a bit cheaper than the 03D). I'm thinking that >I probably don't need an automated (i.e., MIDI controllable) patch bay and >use instead the MIDI controllable sends/receives on the 01V. So I could >save on buying a Switchblade et al. > >As an owner/user of both M.O.s, what's your thoughts on this? I have an 01V (sitting right here) and it's the most amazing device, particularly considering the reasonable price. Very useful for loopers are the two internal (hi-quality) effects units and the four, count 'em, four external sends... /t ...bunker:extreme (10/24) .. ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 16:54:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11057; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:53:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:53:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: DanLAXX1@aol.com Message-ID: <72.4287a85.2725fece@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:51:26 EDT Subject: Re: Automated Patch Bays - Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please remove me from this list From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 17:00:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11727; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:59:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:59:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39F4A5DA.E30A38A4@best.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:55:54 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: animal loops and the future References: <20001018225346.16010.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> <39EF4774.ED468ED0@earthlink.net> <39F0B4EF.C386A88A@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias Grob wrote: > > *** Why can't we film a future that we would like to have? *** > Wouldnt such film sell much better even and cost less to produce? > As long as there is fear, there is no peace. The desire of domination > is the desire of security, the lack of confidence which starts at the > first lie... > > Is it really mankind who has these ugly visions, or just a decadent > culture, or just Holywood? Matthias, my opinion may not be valid since I am a born-again cynic but I do believe (speaking as a citizen of the US, at least) we are spoon fed ugly visions from an early age by our culture. Hollywood is only one of the propaganda tools for these visions. Without fear of unemployment, fear of being robbed, fear of being attached by foreigners who don't look like us (think of them as godless insects), most of us would not be willing to put up with a social structure that mostly benefits the top 10 per cent of the human race. > channel and a biologist explains that the monkeys invented war and > programmed their (and thus our) small brain to fight because the > females only want to be fertilized by the best... This might explain why so many liberated "listen to women for a change" females I know also stood in line for three hours and paid over $80 to listen to Mic Jager and the Rolling Stones! :-) > How do we reprogram ourselves to get out of this cycle of suffering? Actively do not participate in the state sanctioned program. Invent your own program and share it with others who do the same. > Do loops help for this? LOOP CONTENT FOLLOWS: It helps me! |:i repeat myself to relieve my stress:| I really do think music can be healing. > step back frequently to visualize where we are heading for! Excellent advice. Thank you, Matthias, for wonderfully thought provoking ideas! I wish I had more time to contemplate a more coherent response, but I am at work and fear unemployment! :-) -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 17:00:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11725; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:59:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:59:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011801c03d33$4aff5dd0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20001023112930.00851c40@mail.airmail.net> <003301c03d16$a20a9030$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Automated Patch Bays - Question Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:53:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have an 01V (sitting right here) and it's the most amazing device, > particularly considering the reasonable price. Very useful for loopers > are the two internal (hi-quality) effects units and the four, count 'em, > four external sends... Ok, ok. Now I have to wipe the drool off my keyboard.... :) Thanks for the recommendation, Tom. Do you control it with a sequencer, computer, or ? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 17:09:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12366; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:07:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:07:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01d901c03d36$2f920180$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: Bugz communicating vibrationally- Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:14:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01D6_01C03CFB.809CEE40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01D6_01C03CFB.809CEE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I find this really cool and based on recent vibrational discussions on = this list as of late I think some of you will find it kewl too-=20 http://www.npr.org/programs/RE/archives/ Listen to "The Secret World Of Insects" Cliff PS- What is an accelerometer and what does it do exactly? ------=_NextPart_000_01D6_01C03CFB.809CEE40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I find this really cool and based on recent = vibrational=20 discussions on this list as of late I think some of you will find it = kewl too-=20
 
http://www.npr.org/prog= rams/RE/archives/
 
Listen to "The Secret World Of Insects"
 
Cliff
 
PS- What is an accelerometer and what does it do=20 exactly?
------=_NextPart_000_01D6_01C03CFB.809CEE40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 17:09:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12495; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:08:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:08:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01de01c03d36$4d5ddfe0$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Automated Patch Bays - Question Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:14:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What is "reasonable price"? Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Leas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, October 23, 2000 2:00 PM Subject: Re: Automated Patch Bays - Question >> I have an 01V (sitting right here) and it's the most amazing device, >> particularly considering the reasonable price. Very useful for loopers >> are the two internal (hi-quality) effects units and the four, count 'em, >> four external sends... > >Ok, ok. Now I have to wipe the drool off my keyboard.... :) > >Thanks for the recommendation, Tom. Do you control it with a sequencer, >computer, or ? > >Dennis Leas >------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 17:15:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12942; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:14:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:14:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39F4A9EB.6707271D@hoover-keith.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:13:15 -0500 From: "Ryan D. Supak" X-Sender: "Ryan D. Supak" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Bugz communicating vibrationally- References: <01d901c03d36$2f920180$7bb387d8@cliff> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > PS- What is an accelerometer and what does it do exactly? it's basically a cross between a piston and a microphone. it's another type of audio transducer. one major use of them is to measure extremely low or quiet frequencies. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 17:26:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13863; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:25:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:25:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: OT: Bugz communicating vibrationally- Message-ID: <0056910008184394000002L142*@MHS> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:26:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary=_0.0_=0056910008184394" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Boundary=_0.0_=0056910008184394 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 10/23/00 16:24:19" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline An accelerometer, measures acceleration, that is, changes in velocity. There are several types of solid state devices that do this. They can u= se micormachining techniques or piezo electric effects, but in the end = they output a voltatge that is proportional to acceleration. Brother K bienappraisers@mindspring.com on 10/23/2000 02:12:27 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@SMTP cc: =20 Subject: OT: Bugz communicating vibrationally- Classification:=09 I find this really cool and based on recent vibrational discussions on = this list as of late I think some of you will find it kewl too- http://www.npr.org/programs/RE/archives/ Listen to "The Secret World Of Insects" Cliff PS- What is an accelerometer and what does it do exactly? = --Boundary=_0.0_=0056910008184394 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=FILE0001.htm Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=FILE0001.htm PCFET0NUWVBFIEhUTUwgUFVCTElDICItLy9XM0MvL0RURCBIVE1MIDQuMCBUcmFuc2l0aW9uYWwv L0VOIj4NCjxIVE1MPjxIRUFEPg0KPE1FVEEgY29udGVudD0idGV4dC9odG1sOyBjaGFyc2V0PXdp bmRvd3MtMTI1MiIgaHR0cC1lcXVpdj1Db250ZW50LVR5cGU+DQo8TUVUQSBjb250ZW50PSJNU0hU TUwgNS4wMC4zMjA3LjI1MDAiIG5hbWU9R0VORVJBVE9SPjwvSEVBRD4NCjxCT0RZIGJnQ29sb3I9 I2ZmZmZmZj4NCjxESVY+PEZPTlQgc2l6ZT0yPkkgZmluZCB0aGlzIHJlYWxseSBjb29sIGFuZCBi YXNlZCBvbiByZWNlbnQgdmlicmF0aW9uYWwgDQpkaXNjdXNzaW9ucyBvbiB0aGlzIGxpc3QgYXMg b2YgbGF0ZSBJIHRoaW5rIHNvbWUgb2YgeW91IHdpbGwgZmluZCBpdCBrZXdsIHRvby0gDQo8L0ZP TlQ+PC9ESVY+DQo8RElWPiZuYnNwOzwvRElWPg0KPERJVj48Rk9OVCBzaXplPTI+PEEgDQpocmVm PSJodHRwOi8vd3d3Lm5wci5vcmcvcHJvZ3JhbXMvUkUvYXJjaGl2ZXMvIj5odHRwOi8vd3d3Lm5w ci5vcmcvcHJvZ3JhbXMvUkUvYXJjaGl2ZXMvPC9BPjwvRk9OVD48L0RJVj4NCjxESVY+Jm5ic3A7 PC9ESVY+DQo8RElWPjxGT05UIHNpemU9Mj5MaXN0ZW4gdG8gIlRoZSBTZWNyZXQgV29ybGQgT2Yg SW5zZWN0cyI8L0ZPTlQ+PC9ESVY+DQo8RElWPiZuYnNwOzwvRElWPg0KPERJVj48Rk9OVCBzaXpl PTI+Q2xpZmY8L0ZPTlQ+PC9ESVY+DQo8RElWPiZuYnNwOzwvRElWPg0KPERJVj48Rk9OVCBzaXpl PTI+UFMtIFdoYXQgaXMgYW4gYWNjZWxlcm9tZXRlciBhbmQgd2hhdCBkb2VzIGl0IGRvIA0KZXhh Y3RseT88L0ZPTlQ+PC9ESVY+PC9CT0RZPjwvSFRNTD4NCg== --Boundary=_0.0_=0056910008184394-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 17:30:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13973; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:28:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:28:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01de01c03d36$4d5ddfe0$7bb387d8@cliff> References: <01de01c03d36$4d5ddfe0$7bb387d8@cliff> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:27:51 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Automated Patch Bays - Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com about the ProMix 01v... >What is "reasonable price"? > I got it for $1469 from Sweetwater, so I guess it isn't *that* cheap. But it has a very sophisticated architecture. They don't call it 8-bus because it isn't really but you can send independently to all 8 channels of a DA-88 or ADAT and there are tons of features, like a decent compressor and good 4 band para eq on each channel. Frankly, I can't imagine how I'd get along without it, I use it for everything! You can get details including the whole manual from the Yamaha site: also: At 3:53 PM -0500 10/23/00, Dennis Leas wrote: >Thanks for the recommendation, Tom. Do you control it with a sequencer, >computer, or ? This board replaced the old ProMix O1 (no V!) I had for years. I sequenced that heavily from the computer and this has a similar architecture where you can record and send continuous to/from the faders. But this board has only been minimally sequenced -- I have been using it so far mostly just for live performances. (It's a bit heavy but the feature set makes it totally deluxe!) /t ...bunker:extreme (10/24) .. ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 17:38:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14626; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:37:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:37:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003301c03d16$a20a9030$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20001023112930.00851c40@mail.airmail.net> <003301c03d16$a20a9030$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:35:52 -0700 To: From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Automated Patch Bays - Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:28 PM -0500 10/23/00, Dennis Leas wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alex Stahl" >. . . > > I have several Akai MB-76 "Mix Bays" which were a truly useful part > > of my old analog looping rack. . . . > >Say, Alex, don't you use a Yamaha 03D mixer these days? Yes I do, although in the never ending quest for a very portable, no compromise system it is probably going up for sale soon as well. > >I'm still spec'ing out a new system and I'm leaning toward a Yamaha 01V >(non-quad panning but quite a bit cheaper than the 03D). I'm thinking that >I probably don't need an automated (i.e., MIDI controllable) patch bay and >use instead the MIDI controllable sends/receives on the 01V. So I could >save on buying a Switchblade et al. > >As an owner/user of both M.O.s, what's your thoughts on this? Yes, I use the Yamaha as a router as much as a mixer. I just wish there were more sends, since I like to have everything including multliple outboard effects devices as well as multichannel looping on sends for maximum flexibility. The Yamaha DME32 is a very interesting alternative. It's basically the DSP of an 03D or 02R in a rack mount box, and you can freely define your own signal path. It's about the same price as an 03D and seems very well suited to the kind of matrix mixing and processing that loopers often want. Having said all that, it is still true that the old analog rack felt more like an "instrument" whereas the Yamaha-based rig feels more like a "studio". Since one of my main goals is to erase the distinction anyway, I am not sure exactly what I mean by that, but it may have something to do with *too much* real-time control. -Alex From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 17:52:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15067; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:51:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:51:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001023145002.007f4650@col-ed.org> X-Sender: tim@col-ed.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:50:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Timoth E. Gard" Subject: Portland Oregon In-Reply-To: <02fd01c03ba8$d221aa20$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <200010210438.AAA02497@hemlock.violacea.com> <39F1275A.CB7061A1@cruzio.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any loopers or experimenters out there in Portland, Oregon? I do MIDI looping in a real-time environment with Building Blocks, KeyKit and a few other programs. I'm also a bit of an experimenter and have had recent fun with a CV-MIDI unit and some electric eyes. If you want to see my gear... http://www.prettybigmusic.com Hope to hear from ya. Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 18:11:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15741; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:10:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:10:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Ppaulpadam@aol.com Message-ID: <70.4288f21.272610ee@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:08:46 EDT Subject: Help looking Guitar Processor To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello: A friend of mine and I are looking for a nice guitar processor that doesn't sound so "electronicy". If some of you remember GENTLE GIANT, my friend Gary Green played guitar w/ them. They are thinking of placing stuff on mp3 as some of the rights to their material have reverted back to them. Gary and I'de both love something that makes us think of being in that old big room. If you remember GIANT you can remember what Garys Guitar sound was like. I need something similar ( My elect fav soundz were Joe Walsh, Jimi of coarse, Dave Gilmore. ). I WOULD ALSO LOVE A PROCESSOR THAT WOULD WORK WELL with my classical nylon string guitar ( Fingerstyle guitar is my main thing. ). I was a guitar maker for many years, so I'm familiar w/ set ups and mods etc. Just clueless about ALL THOSE PROCESSORS OUT THERE!! GEEZE!! I COULD SPEND ALL DAY LOOKING AT EBAY!! I currently use a Yamaha FX 500 for processing live sound. As you can see, I'm unsophisticated processor-wise. Oh, and as long as we're speaking "idealy". It would be great if the unit allowed us to go direct to the board. Many many Thanks Paul Adams Paul Adams Lakefront Records MP3.com/PaulAdams MP3.com/DavidHoffman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 18:21:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16308; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:20:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:20:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: mhamburg@mailsj-v1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39E5FFD8.F2C0BE65@hoover-keith.com> References: <20001012143434.2630.qmail@web1104.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:22:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Mark Hamburg" Subject: Re: sp-808 OS update Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where did you get the OS update? Is this the SP-808EX OS update available from Roland's site? Mark At 11:15 AM -0700 10/12/00, Ryan D. Supak wrote: >i got the new sp-808 operating system and installed it a few months >back. > >i just realised the sp-808 with the newest OS meets "true looper" >criteria, in that you can add audio to a loop without stopping playback. > >(for anyone who owns one and cares, combine pad-to-track mode with the >synth preset called "sound on sound". put fx patch in "send/return" >mode.) > >it looks to have quite a few subtle intricacies to it, but i really >haven't had a chance to plod through it all yet because of midterms and >too many office hours. 8< > >r.s. >(np: OST - Vanishing Point) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 18:26:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16537; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:25:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:25:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: Help looking Guitar Processor Message-ID: <0056910008185987000002L172*@MHS> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:26:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 10/23/00 17:24:15" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA16514 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As someone once said "how much money have you got to spend son?" I sure like my new Eventide Orville but I will be paying for it for a while longer. Brother K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 18:47:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16918; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:36:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:36:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <70.4288f21.272610ee@aol.com> References: <70.4288f21.272610ee@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:34:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Help looking Guitar Processor Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0Np0PC.A.bGE.00L95@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paul, Be aware that the emotions are running high here at the looper's delight list. If you're stepping into territory that has little or no looping content, be sure to put OT or something in the header. The non-guitar loopers are camped just over the hill and they will attack if provoked...no need to aggravate them! I'll jump in here and suggest that you look into Line6's POD or Flextone amps, the Johnson J-station, or Tech21 preamps or amps. These units can provide you with a very 'BIG' sound, direct to the board. If you don't have the money or desire to get into classic, modded, or boutique amplifiers, and if you don't feel like blowing out your neighbors, or if you don't want to build a great sounding room and refinance your house for microphones, these can be great tools. I have heard a bit on both sides of the fence, from people that swear by amp modeling to 'purists' who wouldn't touch em. For me, the Line6 POD has been an invaluable resource to track guitars in my studio and get a pretty damn good sound, with no pissed off wife, no mics, and very little hassles. Plus, how cool is it to switch from a lazy Fender Twin twang to a barking Vox AC30 to a Soldano meltdown with the flick of a switch! (insert your best Ingwie air guitar here). There is a tube preamp setting which might work good with your nylon string. off topically, rich ps. one good thing, if you actually like the sound of the POD, is that you can access and trade 'amp' patches via a number of websites. There are tons of patches out there. >Hello: > >A friend of mine and I are looking for a nice guitar processor that doesn't >sound so "electronicy". If some of you remember GENTLE GIANT, my friend Gary >Green played guitar w/ them. They are thinking of placing stuff on mp3 as >some of the rights to their material have reverted back to them. Gary and >I'de both love something that makes us think of being in that old big room. >If you remember GIANT you can remember what Garys Guitar sound was like. >I need something similar ( My elect fav soundz were Joe Walsh, Jimi of >coarse, Dave Gilmore. ). I WOULD ALSO LOVE A PROCESSOR THAT WOULD WORK WELL >with my classical nylon string guitar ( Fingerstyle guitar is my main thing. >). > >I was a guitar maker for many years, so I'm familiar w/ set ups and mods etc. >Just clueless about ALL THOSE PROCESSORS OUT THERE!! GEEZE!! I COULD >SPEND ALL DAY LOOKING AT EBAY!! I currently use a Yamaha FX 500 for >processing live sound. As you can see, I'm unsophisticated processor-wise. > >Oh, and as long as we're speaking "idealy". It would be great if the unit >allowed us to go direct to the board. > >Many many Thanks >Paul Adams > >Paul Adams Lakefront >Records > >MP3.com/PaulAdams > > >MP3.com/DavidHoffman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 18:57:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17201; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:50:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:50:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39F4C0C1.1A945656@hoover-keith.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:50:41 -0500 From: "Ryan D. Supak" X-Sender: "Ryan D. Supak" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sp-808 OS update References: <20001012143434.2630.qmail@web1104.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Hamburg wrote: > > Where did you get the OS update? Is this the SP-808EX OS update available > from Roland's site? no, i went to guitar center and used an undocumented key combination to copy the 808ex o.s. onto a zip disk. then i used another undocumented key combination to dump it onto my "808-classic". ******************************************************************* SAVE OperatingSystem WITH ZIPDISK IMPORTANT! Remember to format a ZIP disk to store backup on before saving-it will not give you the option!! 1)Power off. 2)Push 1/[5] + CLEAR below LOCATOR at same time. 3)Switch Power On. 4)"SAVESYSPROG insert disk" is displayed. 5)Insert New SP-808 Zip disk. This can be used to copy the operating system from a 808EX, and to update the original SP-808. Use the tip below to install your OS via Zipdisk. UPDATE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!! ROLAND DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS!!!!! ******************************************************************* UPDATE OS WITH ZIP DISK 1)Power Off 2)Push and hold the buttons: [STATUS (TRACK SELECT)]+[EFFECTS (BAL/EQ/FX)] above Track B at same time. 3)Switch Power On 4)"ZIP DISK UPDATE insert system disk" will be displayed. 5)Insert system disk (Use this to update your 808 operating system to an EX operating system) UPDATE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!! ROLAND DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 18:59:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17500; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:58:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:58:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39F4C0C1.1A945656@hoover-keith.com> References: <20001012143434.2630.qmail@web1104.mail.yahoo.com> <39F4C0C1.1A945656@hoover-keith.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:57:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: sp-808 OS update Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting method of obtaining your software update. How long did you have to mill about before the GC employees ignored you? :) rich >Mark Hamburg wrote: >> >> Where did you get the OS update? Is this the SP-808EX OS update available >> from Roland's site? > >no, i went to guitar center and used an undocumented key combination to >copy the 808ex o.s. onto a zip disk. > >then i used another undocumented key combination to dump it onto my >"808-classic". > >******************************************************************* >SAVE OperatingSystem WITH ZIPDISK > >IMPORTANT! Remember to format a ZIP disk to store backup on before >saving-it will not give you the option!! >1)Power off. >2)Push 1/[5] + CLEAR below >LOCATOR at same time. >3)Switch Power On. >4)"SAVESYSPROG insert disk" is >displayed. >5)Insert New SP-808 Zip disk. > >This can be used to copy the operating system from a 808EX, and to >update the original SP-808. > >Use the tip below to install your OS via Zipdisk. > >UPDATE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!! ROLAND DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS!!!!! > >******************************************************************* >UPDATE OS WITH ZIP DISK > >1)Power Off >2)Push and hold the buttons: [STATUS (TRACK SELECT)]+[EFFECTS >(BAL/EQ/FX)] above >Track B at same time. >3)Switch Power On >4)"ZIP DISK UPDATE insert system disk" will be displayed. >5)Insert system disk (Use this to update your 808 operating system to an >EX operating system) > >UPDATE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!! ROLAND DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 19:04:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17776; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:03:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:03:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: tri.tran@baesystems.com Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:02:18 -0500 Subject: RE: sp-808 OS update To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C03D45.4AD887E0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C03D45.4AD887E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This method only take less than 5 seconds. -----Original Message----- From: rich [mailto:rich@nuvision.com] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 5:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sp-808 OS update Interesting method of obtaining your software update. How long did you have to mill about before the GC employees ignored you? :) rich >Mark Hamburg wrote: >> >> Where did you get the OS update? Is this the SP-808EX OS update available >> from Roland's site? > >no, i went to guitar center and used an undocumented key combination to >copy the 808ex o.s. onto a zip disk. > >then i used another undocumented key combination to dump it onto my >"808-classic". > >******************************************************************* >SAVE OperatingSystem WITH ZIPDISK > >IMPORTANT! Remember to format a ZIP disk to store backup on before >saving-it will not give you the option!! >1)Power off. >2)Push 1/[5] + CLEAR below >LOCATOR at same time. >3)Switch Power On. >4)"SAVESYSPROG insert disk" is >displayed. >5)Insert New SP-808 Zip disk. > >This can be used to copy the operating system from a 808EX, and to >update the original SP-808. > >Use the tip below to install your OS via Zipdisk. > >UPDATE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!! ROLAND DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS!!!!! > >******************************************************************* >UPDATE OS WITH ZIP DISK > >1)Power Off >2)Push and hold the buttons: [STATUS (TRACK SELECT)]+[EFFECTS >(BAL/EQ/FX)] above >Track B at same time. >3)Switch Power On >4)"ZIP DISK UPDATE insert system disk" will be displayed. >5)Insert system disk (Use this to update your 808 operating system to an >EX operating system) > >UPDATE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!! ROLAND DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS!!!!! ------_=_NextPart_001_01C03D45.4AD887E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: sp-808 OS update

This method only take less than 5 seconds.


-----Original Message-----
From: rich [mailto:rich@nuvision.com]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 5:57 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: sp-808 OS update


Interesting method of obtaining your software update.  How long did
you have to mill about before the GC employees ignored you?  :)

rich


>Mark Hamburg wrote:
>>
>>  Where did you get the OS update? Is this the SP-808EX OS update available
>>  from Roland's site?
>
>no, i went to guitar center and used an undocumented key combination to
>copy the 808ex o.s. onto a zip disk.
>
>then i used another undocumented key combination to dump it onto my
>"808-classic".
>
>*******************************************************************
>SAVE OperatingSystem WITH ZIPDISK
>
>IMPORTANT! Remember to format a ZIP disk to store backup on  before
>saving-it will not give you the option!!
>1)Power off.
>2)Push 1/[5] + CLEAR below
>LOCATOR at same time.
>3)Switch Power On.
>4)"SAVESYSPROG insert disk" is
>displayed.
>5)Insert New SP-808 Zip disk.
>
>This can be used to copy the operating system from a 808EX, and to
>update the original SP-808.
>
>Use the tip below to install your OS via Zipdisk.
>
>UPDATE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!! ROLAND DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS!!!!!
>
>*******************************************************************
>UPDATE OS WITH ZIP DISK
>
>1)Power Off
>2)Push and hold the buttons:  [STATUS (TRACK SELECT)]+[EFFECTS
>(BAL/EQ/FX)] above
>Track B at same time.
>3)Switch Power On
>4)"ZIP DISK UPDATE insert system disk" will be displayed.
>5)Insert system disk (Use this to update your 808 operating system to an
>EX operating system)
>
>UPDATE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!! ROLAND DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS!!!!!

------_=_NextPart_001_01C03D45.4AD887E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 19:11:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17992; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:10:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:10:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39F4C0C1.1A945656@hoover-keith.com> References: <20001012143434.2630.qmail@web1104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:09:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: FREE: Akai M-8, 2/4 Track 1/4" reel-to-reel tape deck Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FREE: Akai M-8, 2/4 Track 1/4" reel-to-reel tape deck I have this old tape deck (Akai M-8 ) which doesn't work. It has Sound on Sound capability, so it should be able to be used for looping. I will give it to anyone who wants to fix it and give it a home, if they cover shipping (or come pick it up - i live in the LA area). For more info and pics, please see: http://www.newdream.net/~cho/forsale/tapedeck.html - Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 19:12:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18126; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:11:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:11:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200010232308.QAA15767@proxy2.ba.best.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:13:20 -0700 Subject: Re: Help looking Guitar Processor From: "Allan Hoeltje" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You KNOW Gary Green? Giant was about the only band I listened to back in the early '70s. What is he doing these days?? (Didn't Derik Schulman (sp?) (the lead singer for GG) become a big exec at one of the evil record companies?) Wait, now I am puzzled. If you are looking for "that something" to give you the Gary Green sound, why don't you just ask him what he used for FX and amp? -Allan ---------- >From: Ppaulpadam@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Help looking Guitar Processor >Date: Mon, Oct 23, 2000, 3:08 PM > > Hello: > > A friend of mine and I are looking for a nice guitar processor that doesn't > sound so "electronicy". If some of you remember GENTLE GIANT, my friend Gary > Green played guitar w/ them. They are thinking of placing stuff on mp3 as > some of the rights to their material have reverted back to them. Gary and > I'de both love something that makes us think of being in that old big room. > If you remember GIANT you can remember what Garys Guitar sound was like... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 19:30:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18691; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:29:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:29:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:27:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: sp-808 OS update Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1239778829==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <8PfKFD.A.HiE.YmM95@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1239778829==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Oh, i can beat that...I've had some GC employess recognize me as i was walking in the door and decide to ignore me! rich >This method only take less than 5 seconds. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: rich [mailto:rich@nuvision.com] >Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 5:57 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: sp-808 OS update > > >Interesting method of obtaining your software update. How long did >you have to mill about before the GC employees ignored you? :) > >rich > > > >Mark Hamburg wrote: >>> >>> Where did you get the OS update? Is this the SP-808EX OS update available >>> from Roland's site? >> >>no, i went to guitar center and used an undocumented key combination to >>copy the 808ex o.s. onto a zip disk. >> >>then i used another undocumented key combination to dump it onto my >>"808-classic". >> >>******************************************************************* >>SAVE OperatingSystem WITH ZIPDISK >> >>IMPORTANT! Remember to format a ZIP disk to store backup on before >>saving-it will not give you the option!! >>1)Power off. >>2)Push 1/[5] + CLEAR below >>LOCATOR at same time. >>3)Switch Power On. >>4)"SAVESYSPROG insert disk" is >>displayed. >>5)Insert New SP-808 Zip disk. >> >>This can be used to copy the operating system from a 808EX, and to >>update the original SP-808. >> >>Use the tip below to install your OS via Zipdisk. >> >>UPDATE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!! ROLAND DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS!!!!! >> >>******************************************************************* >>UPDATE OS WITH ZIP DISK >> >>1)Power Off >>2)Push and hold the buttons: [STATUS (TRACK SELECT)]+[EFFECTS >>(BAL/EQ/FX)] above >>Track B at same time. >>3)Switch Power On >>4)"ZIP DISK UPDATE insert system disk" will be displayed. >>5)Insert system disk (Use this to update your 808 operating system to an >>EX operating system) >> >>UPDATE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!! ROLAND DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS!!!!! --============_-1239778829==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: sp-808 OS update
Oh, i can beat that...I've had some GC employess recognize me as i was walking in the door and decide to ignore me!

rich



This method only take less than 5 seconds.

-----Original Message-----
From: rich [mailto:rich@nuvision.com]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 5:57 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: sp-808 OS update

Interesting method of obtaining your software update.  How long did
you have to mill about before the GC employees ignored you?  :)
rich

>Mark Hamburg wrote:
>>
>>  Where did you get the OS update? Is this the SP-808EX OS update available
>>  from Roland's site?
>
>no, i went to guitar center and used an undocumented key combination to
>copy the 808ex o.s. onto a zip disk.
>
>then i used another undocumented key combination to dump it onto my
>"808-classic".
>
>*******************************************************************
>SAVE OperatingSystem WITH ZIPDISK
>
>IMPORTANT! Remember to format a ZIP disk to store backup on  before
>saving-it will not give you the option!!
>1)Power off.
>2)Push 1/[5] + CLEAR below
>LOCATOR at same time.
>3)Switch Power On.
>4)"SAVESYSPROG insert disk" is
>displayed.
>5)Insert New SP-808 Zip disk.
>
>This can be used to copy the operating system from a 808EX, and to
>update the original SP-808.
>
>Use the tip below to install your OS via Zipdisk.
>
>UPDATE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!! ROLAND DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS!!!!!
>
>*******************************************************************
>UPDATE OS WITH ZIP DISK
>
>1)Power Off
>2)Push and hold the buttons:  [STATUS (TRACK SELECT)]+[EFFECTS
>(BAL/EQ/FX)] above
>Track B at same time.
>3)Switch Power On
>4)"ZIP DISK UPDATE insert system disk" will be displayed.
>5)Insert system disk (Use this to update your 808 operating system to an
>EX operating system)
>
>UPDATE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!! ROLAND DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS!!!!!

--============_-1239778829==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 19:45:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18899; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:43:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:43:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <382142776.972344578953.JavaMail.root@web628-mc> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:42:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Porter To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: software based Loopers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 216.78.190.44 Resent-Message-ID: <-7dsDD.A.BnE.C0M95@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the recommends guys. I'll be going with Logic then. Unless there's some pro-Cubase sentiment out there? Thanks for the reminder about the problems with Windows Cubase. There have been alot of problems with it, especially with dongle issues, on the Cubase forum. I'd somehow forgotten about that. I've been looking around the Emagic website trying to find a little bit more info and found this interesting interview with none other than David Torn, hisself: http://www.emagicusa.com/viplounge/interviews/davidtorn.html After reading the interview, I've got another question I'd like to ask. Has anyone here done any online musical collaborations, via the Rocket Network software available for Cubase and Logic, or otherwise? It's a rather intriguing idea. Ben Porter. ------Original Message------ From: "Martin Shellard" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: October 23, 2000 1:32:27 PM GMT Subject: Re: software based Loopers Although this may not be of use to you PC users, any mac loopers out there should check out MOTU Digital Performer. Not only is it the most well thought out and "professional" sequencer (by that I mean the foundations of the app are solid with no hidden bloopers) but it has a built in looper called POLAR. You specify a time range and enter the polar window where you have a multi-track loop recorder, you can overdub on separate tracks and mix/pan. The recording is done in RAM so it's super fast and when you have your loop you can bounce it to disk either as a mix or onto separate tracks. As far as cubase v Logic, well I'm not a fan of either and I've used both but cubase on a PC? Forget about it, it has the WORST reputation of any DAW in history, I was on the cubase user list for a while and the number of complaints from PC cubase users was staggering, the thing can't even play audio and midi in time. Logic, although not very friendly and somewhat flawed in it's design is way, way better than cubase. Step time entry is pretty much the same in both. Martin Shellard ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 20:12:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19571; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:11:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:11:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <382142776.972344578953.JavaMail.root@web628-mc> References: <382142776.972344578953.JavaMail.root@web628-mc> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:10:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: software based Loopers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <38GraC.A.qxE.CON95@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If someone can lend their opinion, i would appreciate it! I have just recently got into the sequencing thing...my newly acquired keyboard came with MicroLogic AV. It loaded without a hitch (Mac 7100/66) and has been talking with my keyboard, drum machine and recording unit very nicely. Does anybody know what i would be getting into if i move up to a professional level software package? (either a full version of Logic or Digital Performer) Right now i'm just using the Midi. I work on a computer all day at work and don't feel like recording while staring at a CRT. If it's just sequences, i'm ok. Anyway, my biggest gripe with MicroLogic AV is the navigation along the timeline, the selection and moving of midi data and the lack of marker points. (only TWO!) The curser zooms right by rather than tracking along with the song, it seems impossible to 'nudge' stuff, and just two locator points is killing me! Does anyone know much about the full versions and can comment on these points and if there's more stuff that a newbie would appreciate? Also, in digital performer, is POLAR looping audio, or midi data? I'm just trying to ascertain what i'm getting into. the MicroLogic is only about $80, while a full version is over $300. What's that buying me? I've found the Micrologic manual to be a bit vague for my taste. Is the full version's any better? What about Digital Performer's? thanks in advance... rich . >Thanks for the recommends guys. I'll be going with Logic then. Unless >there's some pro-Cubase sentiment out there? > >Thanks for the reminder about the problems with Windows Cubase. There have >been alot of problems with it, especially with dongle issues, on the Cubase >forum. I'd somehow forgotten about that. > >I've been looking around the Emagic website trying to find a little bit more >info and found this interesting interview with none other than David Torn, >hisself: > >http://www.emagicusa.com/viplounge/interviews/davidtorn.html > >After reading the interview, I've got another question I'd like to ask. Has >anyone here done any online musical collaborations, via the Rocket Network >software available for Cubase and Logic, or otherwise? It's a rather >intriguing idea. > >Ben Porter. > > >------Original Message------ >From: "Martin Shellard" >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Sent: October 23, 2000 1:32:27 PM GMT >Subject: Re: software based Loopers > > >Although this may not be of use to you PC users, any mac loopers out there >should check out MOTU Digital Performer. Not only is it the most well >thought out and "professional" sequencer (by that I mean the foundations of >the app are solid with no hidden bloopers) but it has a built in looper >called POLAR. You specify a time range and enter the polar window where you >have a multi-track loop recorder, you can overdub on separate tracks and >mix/pan. The recording is done in RAM so it's super fast and when you have >your loop you can bounce it to disk either as a mix or onto separate tracks. >As far as cubase v Logic, well I'm not a fan of either and I've used both >but cubase on a PC? Forget about it, it has the WORST reputation of any DAW >in history, I was on the cubase user list for a while and the number of >complaints from PC cubase users was staggering, the thing can't even play >audio and midi in time. Logic, although not very friendly and somewhat >flawed in it's design is way, way better than cubase. >Step time entry is pretty much the same in both. > > >Martin Shellard > > >______________________________________________ >FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com >Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 20:38:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20025; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:37:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:37:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.240.200.116] From: "space module" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help looking Guitar Processor Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:36:09 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2000 00:36:09.0590 (UTC) FILETIME=[674A2960:01C03D52] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, They all sound electronic-y to me. Try the Johnson J Station, Line Six Pod, Roland VG-88, Yamaha DG Stomp and the Zoom GFX8 if you can. I think one of these might have what you want. I personally like effects that can totally destroy/mutate/degenerate my sounds as well as present the sound in a natural hi-fi stereo field. Otherwise I might as well play acoustic. Nick >From: Ppaulpadam@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Help looking Guitar Processor >Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:08:46 EDT > >Hello: > >A friend of mine and I are looking for a nice guitar processor that doesn't >sound so "electronicy". >Oh, and as long as we're speaking "idealy". It would be great if the unit >allowed us to go direct to the board. > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 22:39:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22239; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:38:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:38:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01e001c03d63$45360a40$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <70.4288f21.272610ee@aol.com> Subject: Re: Help looking Guitar Processor Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:36:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <_FOduB.A.GbF.nXP95@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hello: > > A friend of mine and I are looking for a nice guitar processor that doesn't > sound so "electronicy". If some of you remember GENTLE GIANT, my friend Gary > Green played guitar w/ them. They are thinking of placing stuff on mp3 as If you monkey with it long enough, you can make the Boss GT-3 do everything except fold your laundry. It does take time though. Apologetically contributing to an off-topic thread and eagerly awaiting my Repeater, Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 22:45:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22535; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:44:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:44:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: gnominus@earthling.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0010232243562L.01893@weba3.iname.net> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: Text/Plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Automated Patch Bays - Question Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please do my laundry, clean my fridge, buy me a car, do my shopping, write me a poem, write me a book, buy me a flower, buy me a DVD-ROM player, no, make that two, buy me a MiniMoog on E-Bay, drive me downtown, drive me uptown, drop me in midtown, pick me up from the florist, pick up my dry cleaning, pick me up from the hair stylist, take me to the concert, take me to the show, take me to the ballgame, organize me a party, organize me my office, gosh, I can't of anything else I'd like you to do for me. Unsubscribing from Loopers' Delight, now I can do that for myself! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: DanLAXX1@aol.com Subject: Re: Automated Patch Bays - Question CC: ---- you wrote: > please remove me from this list > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email from AltaVista at http://altavista.iname.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 22:50:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22780; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:49:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:49:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.32.20001023223623.00694358@total.net> X-Sender: chleduc@total.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:36:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Christian Leduc Subject: Re: Help looking Guitar Processor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you're not rich enough to buy the orville, you can maybe try the Lexicon MPX G2 or the GTR 4000 from Eventide (I don't know much about this one)...They are also quite expansives... With the Lexicon, you can plug it straight into the mixer,, You have a lot of classic effects (like the ones in the 70's: Univybe, etc)... Also, the distorsions are all analogs... And it have the best reverbs around... And to be in the topic, the unit features a kind of copy of the Jamman, so you can loop with it... Also, the delays sound great (Tape echoes simulations)... Finally, I think the MPX G2 have one preset with the kind of sounds of Jimi and one preset with Gilmour's sounds... Christian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 23:25:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23327; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:24:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:24:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 04:23:49 +0100 Subject: Re: software based Loopers From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3L4gU.A.KsF.JDQ95@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use Digital Performer every day. I've used Cubase Pro Tools and Logic and DP is the one I like best. It's the most user-friendly (without being dumbed down) and it's midi features are stellar, powerful but elegant to use. It has as many markers as you want, just drag one from the edge of the window and drop where you want. You can use the marker window to navigate around or a pull down menu. Yes you can nudge in DP, just hit the left/right arrows, you can choose any nudge value you want from a bar to a millisecond (or sample) even for midi. I can't recommend DP highly enough but I have to say that if you did want to get into audio a 7100/66 isn't going to take you very far. With that in mind if you just want mainly midi you can buy Performer v5.x (not digital performer) which has great midi and some audio capability. POLAR is audio only but you can record midi in loop mode. MOTU's manuals are great, clear and well written. Martin Shellard > From: rich > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:10:03 -0700 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: software based Loopers > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:10:42 -0400 > > If someone can lend their opinion, i would appreciate it! > > I have just recently got into the sequencing thing...my newly > acquired keyboard came with MicroLogic AV. It loaded without a hitch > (Mac 7100/66) and has been talking with my keyboard, drum machine and > recording unit very nicely. > > Does anybody know what i would be getting into if i move up to a > professional level software package? (either a full version of Logic > or Digital Performer) > > Right now i'm just using the Midi. I work on a computer all day at > work and don't feel like recording while staring at a CRT. If it's > just sequences, i'm ok. Anyway, my biggest gripe with MicroLogic AV > is the navigation along the timeline, the selection and moving of > midi data and the lack of marker points. (only TWO!) The curser > zooms right by rather than tracking along with the song, it seems > impossible to 'nudge' stuff, and just two locator points is killing > me! > > Does anyone know much about the full versions and can comment on > these points and if there's more stuff that a newbie would > appreciate? Also, in digital performer, is POLAR looping audio, or > midi data? > > I'm just trying to ascertain what i'm getting into. the MicroLogic > is only about $80, while a full version is over $300. What's that > buying me? I've found the Micrologic manual to be a bit vague for my > taste. Is the full version's any better? What about Digital > Performer's? > > thanks in advance... > > rich > > > > . > >> Thanks for the recommends guys. I'll be going with Logic then. Unless >> there's some pro-Cubase sentiment out there? >> >> Thanks for the reminder about the problems with Windows Cubase. There have >> been alot of problems with it, especially with dongle issues, on the Cubase >> forum. I'd somehow forgotten about that. >> >> I've been looking around the Emagic website trying to find a little bit more >> info and found this interesting interview with none other than David Torn, >> hisself: >> >> http://www.emagicusa.com/viplounge/interviews/davidtorn.html >> >> After reading the interview, I've got another question I'd like to ask. Has >> anyone here done any online musical collaborations, via the Rocket Network >> software available for Cubase and Logic, or otherwise? It's a rather >> intriguing idea. >> >> Ben Porter. >> >> >> ------Original Message------ >> From: "Martin Shellard" >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: October 23, 2000 1:32:27 PM GMT >> Subject: Re: software based Loopers >> >> >> Although this may not be of use to you PC users, any mac loopers out there >> should check out MOTU Digital Performer. Not only is it the most well >> thought out and "professional" sequencer (by that I mean the foundations of >> the app are solid with no hidden bloopers) but it has a built in looper >> called POLAR. You specify a time range and enter the polar window where you >> have a multi-track loop recorder, you can overdub on separate tracks and >> mix/pan. The recording is done in RAM so it's super fast and when you have >> your loop you can bounce it to disk either as a mix or onto separate tracks. >> As far as cubase v Logic, well I'm not a fan of either and I've used both >> but cubase on a PC? Forget about it, it has the WORST reputation of any DAW >> in history, I was on the cubase user list for a while and the number of >> complaints from PC cubase users was staggering, the thing can't even play >> audio and midi in time. Logic, although not very friendly and somewhat >> flawed in it's design is way, way better than cubase. >> Step time entry is pretty much the same in both. >> >> >> Martin Shellard >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com >> Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 00:06:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24116; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 00:05:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 00:05:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Ppaulpadam@aol.com Message-ID: <87.1e1461d.27266422@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 00:03:46 EDT Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #351 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/23/00 10:26:59 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: << Wait, now I am puzzled. If you are looking for "that something" to give you the Gary Green sound, why don't you just ask him what he used for FX and amp? >> Thanks. Gary and I would like to be able to record streight to through the board rather than use the old amp w/ specific Mic in a large old studio etc etc. We're getting old ya know paul Paul Adams Lakefront Records MP3.com/PaulAdams MP3.com/DavidHoffman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 00:13:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24587; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 00:12:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 00:12:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Ppaulpadam@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 00:10:55 EDT Subject: oops for off topic. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/23/00 10:26:59 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: Bog oops for off topic about the guitar processor. BTW, I did get a nifty Boomerang but still in early stages of discovery. Many wrote w/ kind suggestions. Many Thanks. I'm on the net searching your suggestions. Too bad the lexicon is soo pricey. Mmmmmmm. Paul Paul Adams Lakefront Records MP3.com/PaulAdams MP3.com/DavidHoffman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 05:18:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA27358; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 05:17:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 05:17:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c03ddd$debf0020$6700a8c0@nathan> Reply-To: "Nathan Collins" From: "Nathan Collins" To: Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:14:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0066_01C03DA3.26D17A40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <8KGgTB.A.UrG.wNV95@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C03DA3.26D17A40 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0067_01C03DA3.26D17A40" ------=_NextPart_001_0067_01C03DA3.26D17A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable UNSUBSCRIBE ------=_NextPart_001_0067_01C03DA3.26D17A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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URL:http://homepage.eircom.net/~groovegrove/index.htm EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:nathan@techstaff.ie REV:20001024T171410Z END:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C03DA3.26D17A40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 05:49:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA27794; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 05:48:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 05:48:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c03d9f$68f428e0$6ebdfea9@z5k2e6> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <70.4288f21.272610ee@aol.com> Subject: Re: Help looking Guitar Processor Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:45:32 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd suggest looking specifically for amp / cabinet emulations, which exist on most of the signal processors out there today. I use both a pair of Zoom 2100's and an old Alesis Quadraverb+, which both sport this kind of thing, and weren't expensive at all. (And they work in the UK too!) Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! From: > A friend of mine and I are looking for a nice guitar processor that doesn't > sound so "electronicy". If some of you remember GENTLE GIANT, my friend Gary > Green played guitar w/ them. They are thinking of placing stuff on mp3 as > some of the rights to their material have reverted back to them. Gary and > I'de both love something that makes us think of being in that old big room. > If you remember GIANT you can remember what Garys Guitar sound was like. > I need something similar ( My elect fav soundz were Joe Walsh, Jimi of > coarse, Dave Gilmore. ). I WOULD ALSO LOVE A PROCESSOR THAT WOULD WORK WELL > with my classical nylon string guitar ( Fingerstyle guitar is my main thing. > ). > > I was a guitar maker for many years, so I'm familiar w/ set ups and mods etc. > Just clueless about ALL THOSE PROCESSORS OUT THERE!! GEEZE!! I COULD > SPEND ALL DAY LOOKING AT EBAY!! I currently use a Yamaha FX 500 for > processing live sound. As you can see, I'm unsophisticated processor-wise. > > Oh, and as long as we're speaking "idealy". It would be great if the unit > allowed us to go direct to the board. > > Many many Thanks > Paul Adams > > Paul Adams Lakefront > Records > > MP3.com/PaulAdams > > > MP3.com/DavidHoffman > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 06:36:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28237; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 06:30:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 06:30:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [130.227.205.216] From: "Jon Meinild" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Software-based Loopers Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:29:00 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2000 10:29:00.0439 (UTC) FILETIME=[392AFA70:01C03DA5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm in thoughts of buying a computer for looping/seqencing avantgarde-stuff. Should I buy Mac or PC? Jon of Denmark. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 07:00:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28531; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 06:58:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 06:58:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39F56B82.56479427@t-online.de> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:59:19 +0200 From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) Reply-To: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software-based Loopers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0265142411-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well,I personally prefer a Mac.In general,but also for Music-Software. The OS is more userfriendly and does not prepare so much Stress for OS related topics.More comfortable to work with. Marty Jon Meinild schrieb: > > I'm in thoughts of buying a computer for looping/seqencing avantgarde-stuff. > Should I buy Mac or PC? > > Jon of Denmark. > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 07:52:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA29431; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 07:51:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 07:51:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200010241140.TAA235270@mail1.info.com.ph> From: "deusirae" To: Subject: Dr Sbaitso commands Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:43:07 +0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I found this old book that says the soundblaster manual listed a variety of commands to control Dr. sbaitso's speech volume, pitch, etc. Also to make him read text. Punching dr. sbaitso on google led me to you, so I thought I'd ask: you wouldn't have a copy of those commands you could send me, would you? I'm trying to use text-to-speech to sing lyrics to a song. I found a copy of Dr. sbaitso on the net, but I don't know how to make him sing. Thanks-- Tad PS I'm assuming it'll work on my AWE64 gold. Will it? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 08:57:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30125; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:56:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:56:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <54.ae88aaf.2726e0a8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:55:04 EDT Subject: Re: Software-based Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jon_meinild@hotmail.com writes: >I'm in thoughts of buying a computer for looping/seqencing avantgarde-stuff. >Should I buy Mac or PC? it'd likely be most useful to *you* to look at all the available software, first; then you can base yer 'platform'-decision on what *applications* actually suit yer needs. best, dt / SPLaTTeRfool In stores & online NOW (artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, etc) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD / vinyl; 65 minute EP--- remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) On CeLLDiviSioN/75Ark: http://www.75ark.com SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 09:14:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30452; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:13:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:13:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:10:08 EDT Subject: Re: software based Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com some advisory words: try before ye buy. no single DAW is all things to all peoples, therefore buying on 'recommendation', alone, can be pretty sketchy. fwiw: i use LogicAudioPlatinum (onna mac), daily, though i do own DP. (i also use NI Reaktor, BiAS Peak, MetaSynth, HyperPrism, Pluggo, GrainWave, etc). on the W-NT platform, i regularly use ACiD-Pro/SoundForge. i ain't found a 'software'-looper, yet, that satisfies my (?demanding?) UI issues as much as my EDP/PCM42/processor combo does..... best, dt / SPLaTTeRFRieK In stores & online NOW (artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, etc) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD / vinyl; 65 minute EP--- remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) On CeLLDiviSioN/75Ark: http://www.75ark.com SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 09:20:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30677; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:19:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:19:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:17:12 EDT Subject: OT: Re: Help looking Guitar Processor To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ADA Ampulator (w/my own amp-head), w/ ADA MicroCab 2 on me fx-mixer-output: *feels* better to me than POD's, MPX-G2, etc. available 'used', only: pretty cheap, methinks. best, dt / SPLaTTeRsmell In stores & online NOW (artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, etc) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD / vinyl; 65 minute EP--- remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) On CeLLDiviSioN/75Ark: http://www.75ark.com SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 10:07:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31632; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:06:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:06:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.240.221.80] From: "space module" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: software based Loopers Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:04:48 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2000 14:04:49.0246 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F421FE0:01C03DC3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Our friend dt / SPLaTTeRFRieK said: > >some advisory words: >try before ye buy. >no single DAW is all things to all peoples, therefore buying on >'recommendation', alone, can be pretty sketchy. >fwiw: i use LogicAudioPlatinum (onna mac), daily, though i do own DP. >(i also use NI Reaktor, BiAS Peak, MetaSynth, HyperPrism, Pluggo, >GrainWave, >etc). >on the W-NT platform, i regularly use ACiD-Pro/SoundForge. >i ain't found a 'software'-looper, yet, that satisfies my (?demanding?) UI >issues as much as my EDP/PCM42/processor combo does..... >best, >dt / SPLaTTeRFRieK > I was just wondering, didn't you use Pro Tools in the past? Why the switch to Logic? Considering all of the software you use and the hardware looping devices that you still prefer to use, what are the software loopers missing that still makes hardware preferable? Not enough support of external controllers? Thanks, Nick aka spacemodule p.s. dt - OAH and Remiksis have been in heavy rotation on my machine for the past 2 weeks. Having a hard time deciding which I like better, also been listening to that Amon Tobin alot. Have to look up the Ryuichi Sakamato. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 10:56:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32098; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:55:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:55:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:53:13 +0100 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #351 From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <87.1e1461d.27266422@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm going to recommend the Roland VG-8 or VG-88. They are the warmest sounding digital processors on the market and can produce a huge range of sounds. You may find the need for a GK pickup restricting (it is a little) but the VG-88 can be used with a regular pickup (you don't get the pickup modelling or 6 way pitch shift). They are worth checking out but be warned, the presets do not do it justice. Martin Shellard > Thanks. Gary and I would like to be able to record streight to through the > board rather than use the old amp w/ specific Mic in a large old studio etc > etc. We're getting old ya know > > paul > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 11:12:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32458; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:11:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:11:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01b701c03dcb$e82ca7f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200010210438.AAA02497@hemlock.violacea.com> <39F1275A.CB7061A1@cruzio.com> <3.0.6.32.20001023145002.007f4650@col-ed.org> Subject: Re: Portland Oregon Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:05:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <5QSu1.A.r6H.8Za95@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Tim! > If you want to see my gear... > > http://www.prettybigmusic.com I'm not in the Portland area but thanks for the pix anyway! I can't distinguish all of the boxes in the rack, though. Can you describe them? So...bass, keyboard, bari sax, tenor sax, trumpet, shakuhachi, xaphoon (is that a MIDI wind controller next to it?), guitars, drumkit, bongoes, and vacuum cleaner. Cool set-up! What do you use when you play out? Also, is that a pre-CBS vacuum cleaner? Did I miss the electric eyes, etc? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 11:15:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32702; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:14:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:14:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39F5A993.B767748B@voicenet.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:24:03 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: LD CD#1 almost gone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There are 10 copies of the original Looper's Delight CD#1 left for sale. This is the first cd made up by musicians from around the world who are/were LD members. These will be the last CDs sold with the original full color cover and j-card so if you want one now is a good time to buy it. I will sell them in first come, first serve order (by postmark). Please do not email me asking me to hold one since that is not fair to the other people who have paid for one before you.. Just send your money in and if you do it fast enough you'll get one. Include an email with the order if you'd like and I'll notify you of shipment date, etc. Once these sell out the CD will still be available as a CDr pressing with a generic black and white cover. To order send a Check or Money order in US funds for $12.00 (in the US) or $13.00 (Anywhere else in the world) payable toe Help Wanted Productions to: Help Wanted Productions PO Box 2205 Phila, Pa 19103 Full info at: http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/ldcd1.htm Feel free to browse our catalog of other loop based and electronic music as well at: http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/catalog.html Tapes and CDs range from at $4-$10 including postage, you will probably find something of interest there. MP3s at: www.mp3.com/davidtalento www.mp3.com/mfit Thanks to all the previous buyers for making this reissue such a success! ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 11:24:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00499; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:23:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:23:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:21:19 +0100 Subject: Re: OT: Re: Help looking Guitar Processor From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can pick up a MicroCab 2 cheap on ebay, I just bought one for $100. There are usually a couple on there. btw have you tried harmony central's user reviews. They are an invaluable resource when researching new gear. www.harmony-central.com/User_Reviews/ Hey dt, is the ampulator much better than than the microcab? Martin Shellard > > ADA Ampulator (w/my own amp-head), w/ ADA MicroCab 2 on me fx-mixer-output: > *feels* better to me than POD's, MPX-G2, etc. > available 'used', only: pretty cheap, methinks. > best, > dt / SPLaTTeRsmell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 11:32:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00798; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:32:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:32:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01e101c03dce$b3a77f70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20001023112930.00851c40@mail.airmail.net> <003301c03d16$a20a9030$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Automated Patch Bays - Question Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:25:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Stahl" > The Yamaha DME32 is a very interesting alternative. ... Yes, it is extremely interesting. Kind of reminds me of the Richmond AudioBox. I haven't looked at this product before. Thanks for the tip! > > Having said all that, it is still true that the old analog rack felt > more like an "instrument" whereas the Yamaha-based rig feels more > like a "studio". Since one of my main goals is to erase the > distinction anyway, I am not sure exactly what I mean by that, but it > may have something to do with *too much* real-time control. Can you describe this more? I'm trying to relate this to my experience, as I've never used a digital board before. Sometimes when I'm tweaking/frobbing knobs on my analog mixer, I feel like I'm flying it, piloting the rig. I think it's that immediate feedback thing. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 12:29:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01641; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:28:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:28:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.141.27.116] From: "Dave Traver" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unsuscribe Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:26:30 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2000 16:26:30.0259 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A41C430:01C03DD7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Will join again at a later time. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 12:46:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05065; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:45:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:45:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:58:38 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Subject: Re: Help looking Guitar Processor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA04838 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: > A friend of mine and I are looking for a nice guitar processor that doesn't sound so "electronicy". If some of you remember GENTLE GIANT, my friend Gary Green played guitar w/ them. They are thinking of placing stuff on mp3 as some of the rights to their material have reverted back to them. Gary and I'de both love something that makes us think of being in that old big room. Hi Paul... Great to hear you guys are still at it! (Big fan for years...) > If you remember GIANT you can remember what Garys Guitar sound was like. I need something similar ( My elect fav soundz were Joe Walsh, Jimi of coarse, Dave Gilmore. ). I WOULD ALSO LOVE A PROCESSOR THAT WOULD WORK WELL with my classical nylon string guitar ( Fingerstyle guitar is my main thing. ). I use a Boss GT-5 and believe you can get excellent results given some twiddling time. The awesome thing about that box is it's real time fx control and all-in-one control package. It's goes direct to the board pretty well, but I prefer still miking it in stereo. I'm looking into the Yamaha DG Stomp... It's much smaller... and the reviews have been VERY positive. Our own list member David Coffin uses the GT-5, and was a member of the Yamaha development team. (patch writing I believe). Maybe he can chime in here as well, as he's used nearly every direct inject method known to man searching for great tone... (and oddball sounds as well). David? > I was a guitar maker for many years, so I'm familiar w/ set ups and mods etc. Just clueless about ALL THOSE PROCESSORS OUT THERE!! GEEZE!! I COULD SPEND ALL DAY LOOKING AT EBAY!! I currently use a Yamaha FX 500 for processing live sound. As you can see, I'm unsophisticated processor-wise. I've had good results with my Taylor acoustic and the GT-5... I'd say if you can turn off the amp simulation, you can get good full range sounds with flat response (if you want), although I've found that I actually like using amp sims and speaker sims for the acoustic as well. (Just tweaked differently for the tonality of the Taylor). > Oh, and as long as we're speaking "idealy". It would be great if the unit allowed us to go direct to the board. Boss GT-5, Boss GT-3, Roland GP-100, Yamaha DG Stomp, Line6 POD, Johnson J-Station all are designed to go direct quite easily. I'm not sure about digital output though... anyone know if any direct guitar processors have digital outputs? Anyway... it's great to know that you guys are still kicking it out... Best regards, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 12:49:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06024; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:48:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:48:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <21.286f76e.272716b7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:45:43 EDT Subject: Re: OT: Re: Help looking Guitar Processor To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com m, >Hey dt, is the ampulator much better than than the microcab? yes; it's really a fantastic-sounding tool, w/yer amp in front of it: uses a tube to 'emulate' power-amp response/sag/compression/hum/etc. (all the guitars on me last 3 cd's were recorded thusly). best, dt / SPLaTTeRshell In stores & online NOW (artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, etc) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD / vinyl; 65 minute EP--- remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) On CeLLDiviSioN/75Ark: http://www.75ark.com SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 12:55:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06998; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:53:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:53:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:52:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Help looking Guitar Processor Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Boss GT-5, Boss GT-3, Roland GP-100, Yamaha DG Stomp, Line6 POD, >Johnson J-Station all are designed to go direct quite easily. I'm >not sure about digital output though... anyone know if any direct >guitar processors have digital outputs? The POD Pro (rackmount) has quite an array of outputs, with digital outs. It's the same sounds and software as the little red kidney bean, but the outputs can be configured in a variety of ways for live/studio performance. you also get a boost in price by about $300, i think. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 12:57:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07305; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:56:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:56:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <71.7c1571d.272718b0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:54:08 EDT Subject: Re: OT: software based Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com n, spacemodule@hotmail.com writes: >I was just wondering, didn't you use Pro Tools in the past? Why the switch >to Logic? i didn't switch..... i've been using Logic since it was ported to the Mac; previously, i did use ProTools *hardware*, but swapped it out for MOTU2408 when Digi's 'upgrade-path' proved financially untenable, for me..... >Considering all of the software you use and the hardware looping >devices that you still prefer to use, what are the software loopers missing >that still makes hardware preferable? speedy user-interfaces (w/'pre-existing' physical controls) resulting inna more 'instant' kinda gratification, realistic levels of robustness & stability -(i don't think that my pcm42 has ever *crashed*, & the EDP is rock-solid; both have 100's of 1000's of 'miles' on them, ya dig)- lack of latency, etc..... like that, like that..... >Not enough support of external >controllers? no, generally, it seems that ye can suss midi-controls-to-parameters in 'software'-machines, mit some digging & tweaking, methinks..... >p.s. dt - OAH and Remiksis have been in heavy rotation on my machine for >the past 2 weeks. Having a hard time deciding which I like better, cool, cool..... >also been listening to that Amon Tobin alot. Have to look up the Ryuichi Sakamato. (spelled SakamOto, though, fer yer web-searching moments.....) but, uh: i posted that stuff to the *other* list, right? *-) best, dt / SPLaTTeRsnail In stores & online NOW (artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, etc) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD / vinyl; 65 minute EP--- remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) On CeLLDiviSioN/75Ark: http://www.75ark.com SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 14:02:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08785; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:01:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:01:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001024105927.007cb670@col-ed.org> X-Sender: tim@col-ed.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:59:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Timoth E. Gard" Subject: Re: Portland Oregon In-Reply-To: <01b701c03dcb$e82ca7f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <200010210438.AAA02497@hemlock.violacea.com> <39F1275A.CB7061A1@cruzio.com> <3.0.6.32.20001023145002.007f4650@col-ed.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> If you want to see my gear... >> >> http://www.prettybigmusic.com > >I'm not in the Portland area but thanks for the pix anyway! I can't >distinguish all of the boxes in the rack, though. Can you describe them? Nothing too exciting, but from top to bottom: --------------------------------------------- MOTU Midi Express XT, coordinating it all Digitech Studio Quad 4, four channel multi-effects unit (with excellent MIDI control) Yamaha MAP8x4, an old audio router, so I can send anything into the Quad 4 Kawai XC-3 and Midiman GMan, two low-end sound sources Rackmounted Paia CV-MIDI converter, this is where the electric eyes go (and future contraptions) Yamaha TX81z, FM synth for the WX5 MIDI wind controller, and great bass and a Kawai 8-channel mixer. I can also run two other signals (mics, guitar, etc) into the mix. Sorry I don't have pictures of the eyes, they're just small circuit boards I built from kits. http://kitsrus.com/kits.html#k130 >So...bass, keyboard, bari sax, tenor sax, trumpet, shakuhachi, xaphoon (is >that a MIDI wind controller next to it?), guitars, drumkit, bongoes, and >vacuum cleaner. Cool set-up! What do you use when you play out? Also, is >that a pre-CBS vacuum cleaner? Indeed! For playing out right now, I'm keeping the setup small: the Art X-15 board, the PK-5 bass pedalboard, the WX5 Wind Controller, a mic and a laptop. Unfortunately, most of the noise has been confined to my living room. I'm quite excited about the electric eyes. Now to come up with other gizmos to generate control voltages... I've created a cool 2x2 grid in a room with two sets of electric eyes, so when I stand in one corner of the room, one ostinato part is heard in the background, in another corner, another pattern, another corner turns on echo, etc. Of course, that's just the tip of the iceberg. Anyway, thanks very much for asking about all this stuff. It's nice to get to jabber on about it. I hope anybody else out there who's doing predominantly MIDI-based looping will throw in their two cents' worth about gear and software. (Especially if they're in Portland.) Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 14:09:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09123; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:08:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:08:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39F5D06C.7CF7835E@t-online.de> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:09:49 +0200 From: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) Reply-To: Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help looking Guitar Processor References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 0265142411-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, another fresh and new device should be mentioned.The brandnew Hughes&Kettner "zenTera". A Combo with two 12" spekers.It has different Ampmodels and effects on board. Also it has MIDI,S/PDIF(digital out),analog outs,Stereo FX-Loop. Several controller inserts. And it sounds brillant ! Marty rich schrieb: > > >Boss GT-5, Boss GT-3, Roland GP-100, Yamaha DG Stomp, Line6 POD, > >Johnson J-Station all are designed to go direct quite easily. I'm > >not sure about digital output though... anyone know if any direct > >guitar processors have digital outputs? > > The POD Pro (rackmount) has quite an array of outputs, with digital outs. > It's the same sounds and software as the little red kidney bean, but > the outputs can be configured in a variety of ways for live/studio > performance. you also get a boost in price by about $300, i think. > > rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 14:54:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09978; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:53:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:53:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39F5DA25.C3BCFA70@best.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:51:17 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #351 References: <87.1e1461d.27266422@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, sorry, I guess I misunderstood your original message. A few others on LD have suggested the Boss (Roland) GT-5. I have both the GT-5 and GT-3 for my Chapman Stick. The GT-3 is nearly identical to the GT-5 except smaller (four foot pedals instead of five) and less expensive. Anything the 5 can do the 3 can do as well. -Allan (48 and remember Gentle Giant well! Saw them once in Miami Florida cerca 1977.) Ppaulpadam@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/23/00 10:26:59 PM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > > << Wait, now I am puzzled. If you are looking for "that something" to give > you > the Gary Green sound, why don't you just ask him what he used for FX and > amp? >> > > Thanks. Gary and I would like to be able to record streight to through the > board rather than use the old amp w/ specific Mic in a large old studio etc > etc. We're getting old ya know > > paul > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 15:25:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10854; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:24:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:24:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:22:56 EDT Subject: roland fc200 and edp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 125 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com have a chance to pick up a roland fc200 for $150........will this pedal control all function i need to access on my edp.....or should i splurge and pick up a all access or something like that? thoughts? brian electric bird noise http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 15:36:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11225; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:36:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:36:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200010241935.MAA00522@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:36:02 -0700 Subject: Re: software based Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com all roight ya bloody loopas, ya heard it from the man-lets hear it for the 'EDP/PCM42/processor combo'. i'm a tosser who is in complete agreement...stanner ---------- >From: Texture444@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: software based Loopers >Date: Tue, Oct 24, 2000, 6:10 AM > >some advisory words: >try before ye buy. >no single DAW is all things to all peoples, therefore buying on >'recommendation', alone, can be pretty sketchy. >fwiw: i use LogicAudioPlatinum (onna mac), daily, though i do own DP. >(i also use NI Reaktor, BiAS Peak, MetaSynth, HyperPrism, Pluggo, GrainWave, >etc). >on the W-NT platform, i regularly use ACiD-Pro/SoundForge. >i ain't found a 'software'-looper, yet, that satisfies my (?demanding?) UI >issues as much as my EDP/PCM42/processor combo does..... >best, >dt / SPLaTTeRFRieK > >In stores & online NOW (artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, etc) >SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) > >SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH >(CD / vinyl; 65 minute EP--- remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi >Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, >Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l >SPLaTTeRCeLL track) > >On CeLLDiviSioN/75Ark: http://www.75ark.com > >SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah >Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf >List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 16:56:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12919; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:53:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:53:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39F5F6BA.6E8287FF@cloud9.net> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:53:14 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater group buy ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw something in the archives about a group buy of the Electrix Repeater. I sent mail to : repeater@braincramp.org inquiring about it over a week ago, but received no reply. Can anyone tell me anything about this - how to get details, and how to get on the list? Thanks, Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 18:47:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14685; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:34:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:34:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [198.185.22.25] From: "Joe Osborne" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex Operating Questions Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:33:25 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2000 22:33:25.0895 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C993970:01C03E0A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com After spending 3 weeks of reading the manual and working with my newly acquired Gibson Echoplex I have some specific questions. Before I list them let me say that I have a background in playing music and not in electronics. Any responses with that in mind would be greatly appreciated. So, here goes: 1) How do I go about using it as a delay. And how do I set the delay time? 2) How do I change the midi channel that the unit sends and responds to? 3) What is quantize and how is it turned on and off? 4) Why was this device made with only one input/output? Wanting to use this device in a stereo guitar rig requires using two units. I find this surprising given the fact that just about all other high quality equipment has two inputs/outputs. Including the Lexicon Jam Man. 5) Does anybody have an Musician's translation of this manual instead of the one that it seems only an electrical engineer can figure out? I have used the Lexicon Jam Man for years now, and while I know the Echoplex is a much more sophisticated unit, it seems that a more "Musician Friendly" manual would have been nice. I've read, tapped, and read some more. Yet it seems that the only functions I've mastered is: Recording, overdubbing, Muting, Reverse, and of course Stop. Thanks in advance for any help with the above questions. Joe _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 18:52:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14941; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:41:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:41:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:40:28 EDT Subject: Re: Portland Oregon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/24/00 4:01:13 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, tim@col-ed.org writes: << I'm quite excited about the electric eyes. >> this sounds wonderful..........tell us more please............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 18:55:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14613; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:31:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:31:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:29:07 EDT Subject: Re: LD CD#1 almost gone To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if you do not have this cd, your collection of loop based music is lacking big time..................michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 23:20:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19788; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:19:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:19:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000101c03e32$1e280500$7524d9c8@r5f3d1> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: <200010210623.XAA14462@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Princeton preamp Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:41:39 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nice amp ! try the Boss od 1 ... i think in something that NOT alter the timbrical (it's the correct word ?) caracter of your guitar ... what do you want ??? tell me more ... regards !] julio ----- Original Message ----- From: David Langenes To: Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 4:23 AM Subject: Princeton preamp > Hi folks, > > Does anyone have any opinion on what pedal(s) work best for overdriving a > '65 Fender Princeton? This is my first tube amp. > > Thanks > ---David > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 01:03:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21148; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 01:02:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 01:02:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: OT: Yamaha AW4416 vs. Roland VS-1880: Recommendations? Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:01:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <39ED4BC6.84EDE1B8@jguru.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I just wanted to thank those of you that suggested that I go with the AW4416. I bought one last Thursday. Wow. What a wonderful tool it is. In fact, it's much better at what it does than I am at doing the music. Still, I plan to grow into it. Thanks again for your recommendations! Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: jim@hemlock.violacea.com [mailto:jim@hemlock.violacea.com]On > Behalf Of Jim Coker > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 12:06 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Yamaha AW4416 vs. Roland VS-1880: Recommendations? > > > Kevin Mulvihill wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm currently wrestling with whether to buy a Yamaha AW4416 or Roland > > VS-1880. I was just wondering if any of you out there had > either of these > > recorders and what your recommendations might be. What do you especially > > like or dislike about these boxes? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Kevin > > The roland will be much cheaper. The Yamaha has much better > specs, expandability, etc. I used an 01V for a while, and it is an > extremely powerful mixer. Moving faders make things a lot easier > on a digital mixer of any sort. There's a review of the AW4416 at > Sound on Sound (www.sospubs.co.uk), but a subscription is required. > If you can afford it, go for the AW4416. > > Jim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 02:29:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22278; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 02:27:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 02:27:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:45:56 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: roland fc200 and edp In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <0auuzD.A.2bF.C0n95@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:22 PM -0700 10/24/00, ENAT21213@aol.com wrote: >have a chance to pick up a roland fc200 for $150........will this pedal >control all function i need to access on my edp.....or should i splurge and >pick up a all access or something like that? >thoughts? so far as I know that pedal will work fine. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 03:26:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA22866; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 03:25:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 03:25:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:48:53 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex Operating Questions In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:33 PM -0700 10/24/00, Joe Osborne wrote: >1) How do I go about using it as a delay. And how do I set the delay time? Set the parameter called Loop/Delay to Delay. set delay time by tapping the record button, exactly as you do in loop mode. In Delay mode, all input audio always goes into the delay as delays normally work. The "overdub" button actually becomes the traditional "hold" button. The pedal input on the back then controls the input volume to the delay line, so you can easily open and close it with your foot. (the feedback knob on the front continues to be feedback.) Everything else in delay works the same as it does in loop mode. The differences between the two are subtle, but some people are more used to the delay type of interaction and prefer that. >2) How do I change the midi channel that the unit sends and responds to? In the parameter row called "MIDI", there is a parameter button called "Channel". Set it to whichever channel you want. >3) What is quantize and how is it turned on and off? Quantize is turned on and off with the parameter called "Quantize." The only options you have are "on" or "off". Quantize causes any function you do to wait for the next cycle point before it starts. This is very useful for rhythmic precision, especially when you don't want to bother with button tapping precision. It often makes life very easy! For example, you want to do a multiply, but you want it to start exactly at the loop start. With quantize on, you can tap multiply someplace in the middle of the loop, and the echoplex will wait until the loop start to begin the multiply. >4) Why was this device made with only one input/output? Wanting to use this >device in a stereo guitar rig requires using two units. I find this >surprising given the fact that just about all other high quality equipment >has two inputs/outputs. Including the Lexicon Jam Man. We designed it with mono ins and outs because it is a mono device, and in those days stereo guitar setups were quite rare. Adding seemingly pointless features and cost was not a goal of the project. We did design it such that two units could be combined together as a true stereo pair, which many people do. The JamMan in fact is mono also, yet the presence of stereo jacks on the back has misled people for years into believing it was a stereo device. In fact it sums the two channels together for the loop. I've always thought that was a bit dishonest since they never particularly went out of their way to tell anybody that. >5) Does anybody have an Musician's translation of this manual instead of the >one that it seems only an electrical engineer can figure out? > >I have used the Lexicon Jam Man for years now, and while I know the Echoplex >is a much more sophisticated unit, it seems that a more "Musician Friendly" >manual would have been nice. I've read, tapped, and read some more. Yet it >seems that the only functions I've mastered is: Recording, overdubbing, >Muting, Reverse, and of course Stop. >Thanks in advance for any help with the above questions. the echoplex is a musical instrument. It is intuitive enough to figure the basics immediately and enjoy yourself with it. But you won't master it in 3 weeks any more than you will master any other instrument in 3 weeks. I've generally found over the years that people who whine about the manual are really not looking for a manual at all. They want a teacher, and no manual can be that. That is a reason why this list exists, hopefully here you can find people to teach you. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 04:25:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23627; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 04:21:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 04:21:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39F6970B.219DAD8B@mogul.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:17:15 +0200 From: mark red Reply-To: mark.francombe@mogul.com Organization: mogul.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help looking Guitar Processor References: <200010232308.QAA15767@proxy2.ba.best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > You KNOW Gary Green? Giant was about the only band I listened to back in > the early '70s. What is he doing these days?? (Didn't Derik Schulman (sp?) > (the lead singer for GG) become a big exec at one of the evil record > companies?) ...were there brothers in GG? In 1992 "RAY Shulman" produced 3 tracks for Cranes (my band at the time) I remember that he told us a little about Gentle Giant (thoroughly nice guy (who maybe spent a tad too long getting a long delay out of a reel to reel that we could have got out of a SPX90 (I mean 2 weeks to record 3 songs!!!))), but I had never heard them. I would be very interested to hear some if anyone knows any current links??? Mark Red .......mogul.com°................................................... mogul.com > mark francombe red - multimedia designer drammensveien 134 NO-0277 oslo norway tel +47 - 24 11 43 00 direct tel +47 - 24 11 45 15 mobil +47 - 98 66 14 56 mark.francombe@mogul.com ........................................................................... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 10:43:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27199; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:42:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:42:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <031501c03e90$d68a8970$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: , References: <39F5A993.B767748B@voicenet.com> Subject: Re: LD CD#1 almost gone Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:35:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow! Look for my order! I posted it today!!! ('bout time I ordered this...) BTW: For those not in the know, "Phila" in the address stands for "Philadelphia". Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Legion" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 10:24 AM Subject: LD CD#1 almost gone > There are 10 copies of the original Looper's Delight CD#1 left for > sale. This is the first cd made up by musicians from around the world > who are/were LD members. These will be the last CDs sold with the > original full color cover and j-card so if you want one now is a good > time to buy it. > > I will sell them in first come, first serve order (by postmark). Please > do not email me asking me to hold one since that is not fair to the > other people who have paid for one before you.. Just send your money in > and if you do it fast enough you'll get one. Include an email with the > order if you'd like and I'll notify you of shipment date, etc. > > Once these sell out the CD will still be available as a CDr pressing > with a generic black and white cover. > > To order send a Check or Money order in US funds for $12.00 (in the US) > or $13.00 (Anywhere else in the world) payable toe Help Wanted > Productions to: > > Help Wanted Productions > PO Box 2205 > Phila, Pa 19103 > > Full info at: http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/ldcd1.htm > > Feel free to browse our catalog of other loop based and electronic music > as well at: http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/catalog.html > > Tapes and CDs range from at $4-$10 including postage, you will probably > find something of interest there. > > MP3s at: > www.mp3.com/davidtalento > www.mp3.com/mfit > > Thanks to all the previous buyers for making this reissue such a > success! > > ____________________________________________________________________ > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion > "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > > Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and > info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 10:59:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27814; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:58:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:58:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <034101c03e93$1d4ca210$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <20001019053010.20793.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: OT:Singing bowl measurements Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:51:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <5kyhyD.A.HyG.uSv95@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > My son Eli and I studied the output of his singing bowl with a > spectrogram. > . . . Hi Bret! (Been meaning to reply to this...) Very interesting work! And thanks for the effort! Do you have the recording that produced your spectrogram? Perhaps as a WAV or AIF file? If so, could you send that to me (please email me directly)? My Kyma has extensive analysis/resynthesis tools so I'd like to play with your recording. For example, I can easily edit the spectrogram analysis and have Kyma resyntheize the sound using several hundred oscillators. Using a common recording will make it easier to discuss our findings. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 13:46:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31197; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:44:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:44:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01BBF965.51064880.jonathan@full-moon.com> From: Jonathan El-Bizri To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: sp-808 OS update Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 11:00:21 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 54 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can also download it. http://www.angelfire.com/ca/wicket/ -----Original Message----- From: Ryan D. Supak [SMTP:rdsupak@hoover-keith.com] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sp-808 OS update Mark Hamburg wrote: > > Where did you get the OS update? Is this the SP-808EX OS update available > from Roland's site? no, i went to guitar center and used an undocumented key combination to copy the 808ex o.s. onto a zip disk. then i used another undocumented key combination to dump it onto my "808-classic". ******************************************************************* SAVE OperatingSystem WITH ZIPDISK IMPORTANT! Remember to format a ZIP disk to store backup on before saving-it will not give you the option!! 1)Power off. 2)Push 1/[5] + CLEAR below LOCATOR at same time. 3)Switch Power On. 4)"SAVESYSPROG insert disk" is displayed. 5)Insert New SP-808 Zip disk. This can be used to copy the operating system from a 808EX, and to update the original SP-808. Use the tip below to install your OS via Zipdisk. UPDATE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!! ROLAND DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS!!!!! ******************************************************************* UPDATE OS WITH ZIP DISK 1)Power Off 2)Push and hold the buttons: [STATUS (TRACK SELECT)]+[EFFECTS (BAL/EQ/FX)] above Track B at same time. 3)Switch Power On 4)"ZIP DISK UPDATE insert system disk" will be displayed. 5)Insert system disk (Use this to update your 808 operating system to an EX operating system) UPDATE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!! ROLAND DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 14:04:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31747; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:02:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:02:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39F7201E.472994AE@hoover-keith.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:02:06 -0500 From: "Ryan D. Supak" X-Sender: "Ryan D. Supak" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sp-808 OS update References: <01BBF965.51064880.jonathan@full-moon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > You can also download it. hey i recognize you from the 808-users list! actually roland just made the 808 list moderator take it down 8< . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 14:05:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31987; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:02:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:02:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200010251758.KAA28488@proxy2.ba.best.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:02:41 -0700 Subject: OT - Gentle Giant - was Re: Help looking Guitar Processor From: "Allan Hoeltje" To: mark.francombe@mogul.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, Yes, there were three Shulman brothers in the 1970 Gentle Giant. Here is the "official" GG home page: http://www.blazemonger.com/GG/ The original line up was: Gary Green - lead guitar, 12 string guitar Kerry Minnear - keyboard, some bass, cello, lead vocals, backing vocals, some tuned percussion Derek Shulman - lead vocals, backing vocals, some bass Phil Shulman - sax, trumpet, recorder, lead vocals, backing vocals Ray Shulman - most bass, violin, some guitar, percussion, backing vocals Martin Smith - drums, percussion I don't remember the exact history but Phil left the band, I think, after "Three Friends" - my favorate GG LP. Phil is the one with the pleasant, smooth voice, Derek had a louder "rock" sound. I am sure there is more complete info on the home page - just haven't read it yet. -Allan > ...were there brothers in GG? In 1992 "RAY Shulman" produced 3 tracks > for Cranes (my band at the time) I remember that he told us a little > about Gentle Giant (thoroughly nice guy (who maybe spent a tad too long > getting a long delay out of a reel to reel that we could have got out of > a SPX90 (I mean 2 weeks to record 3 songs!!!))), but I had never heard > them. I would be very interested to hear some if anyone knows any > current links??? > > Mark Red From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 14:08:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32526; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:07:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:07:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001025130353.00fbf220@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:04:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: sp-808 OS update In-Reply-To: <39F7201E.472994AE@hoover-keith.com> References: <01BBF965.51064880.jonathan@full-moon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-ytgZD.A.B4H.bDy95@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ryan D. Supak (01:02 PM 10.25.2000) wrote: >Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: >> >> You can also download it. > >hey i recognize you from the 808-users list! actually roland just made >the 808 list moderator take it down 8< . Version 1.050 of the SP-808 OS is here: http://209.144.99.11/SUPPORT/SOFTWARE/UPDATES2.HTM Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 14:16:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00432; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:14:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:14:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39F72306.F4A8BD54@hoover-keith.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:14:30 -0500 From: "Ryan D. Supak" X-Sender: "Ryan D. Supak" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sp-808 OS update References: <01BBF965.51064880.jonathan@full-moon.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20001025130353.00fbf220@mail.redmoon-music.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Version 1.050 of the SP-808 OS is here: > > http://209.144.99.11/SUPPORT/SOFTWARE/UPDATES2.HTM but this only works if you have a new sp-808-ex already or are a good hacker: a line of the os posted on the 808-users had been modified to let 808-classic-users dl it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 14:40:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01759; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:38:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:38:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01BBF96C.A2DB8420.jonathan@full-moon.com> From: Jonathan El-Bizri To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: OT RE: sp-808 OS update Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 11:52:45 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 19 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmm - I don't think I ever joined it :> But I'm on a >lot< of other lists. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Ryan D. Supak [SMTP:rdsupak@hoover-keith.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 11:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sp-808 OS update Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > You can also download it. hey i recognize you from the 808-users list! actually roland just made the 808 list moderator take it down 8< . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 14:43:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02101; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:42:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:42:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01BBF96D.77B01300.jonathan@full-moon.com> From: Jonathan El-Bizri To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: sp-808 OS update Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 11:58:42 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 23 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting - when I updated my SP-808. I used an OS update that looked like came with very Rolandy instructions on how to perform it (copyright Roland corp, blah blah blah). I guess they changed their minds. I'm no longer an SP-808 owner now. I just never quite worked in my rig; not enough realtime looping control for me, and a bit expensive. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Ryan D. Supak [SMTP:rdsupak@hoover-keith.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 11:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sp-808 OS update Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > You can also download it. hey i recognize you from the 808-users list! actually roland just made the 808 list moderator take it down 8< . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 14:48:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02867; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:47:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:47:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39F72A53.C87F0EBA@hoover-keith.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:45:39 -0500 From: "Ryan D. Supak" X-Sender: "Ryan D. Supak" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: sp-808 References: <01BBF96D.77B01300.jonathan@full-moon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I just never quite worked in my rig; not > enough realtime looping control for me, and a bit expensive. yeah it is admittedly better suited for live performance at raves and the like, where much of the song material is pre-programmed, you just manipulate how it is presented. 2 808s, however, works reeeeeeeealllly well for looping. rs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 14:56:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03632; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:55:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:55:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <03b201c03eb4$484990b0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200010210438.AAA02497@hemlock.violacea.com> <39F1275A.CB7061A1@cruzio.com> <3.0.6.32.20001023145002.007f4650@col-ed.org> <3.0.6.32.20001024105927.007cb670@col-ed.org> Subject: Re: Portland Oregon Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:49:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Rackmounted Paia CV-MIDI converter, this is where the electric eyes go > (and future contraptions) . . . So what do you think of the PAIA converter? I've had my (non-electric) eyes on this kit for some time. How well does it fit in the 1U rackbox, for instance? Can you put two in one 1U box? Etc. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 15:48:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05247; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:47:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:47:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: RE: sp-808 OS update Message-ID: <0056910008236211000002L112*@MHS> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:46:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 10/25/00 14:44:32" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA05209 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jonathan, I came to the same conclusion on my SP808EX. Not enough real time looping and not suited to what I do. I still own mine but it is for sale and I am not using it. Brother K jonathan@full-moon.com on 10/25/2000 11:46:37 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP cc: Subject: RE: sp-808 OS update Classification: Interesting - when I updated my SP-808. I used an OS update that looked like came with very Rolandy instructions on how to perform it (copyright Roland corp, blah blah blah). I guess they changed their minds. I'm no longer an SP-808 owner now. I just never quite worked in my rig; not enough realtime looping control for me, and a bit expensive. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Ryan D. Supak [SMTP:rdsupak@hoover-keith.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 11:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sp-808 OS update Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > You can also download it. hey i recognize you from the 808-users list! actually roland just made the 808 list moderator take it down 8< . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 18:03:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07939; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:59:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:59:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Ppaulpadam@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:57:45 EDT Subject: OT Guitar processor To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/25/00 1:06:16 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: << Oh, sorry, I guess I misunderstood your original message. A few others on LD have suggested the Boss (Roland) GT-5. I have both the GT-5 and GT-3 for my Chapman Stick. The GT-3 is nearly identical to the GT-5 except smaller (four foot pedals instead of five) and less expensive. Anything the 5 can do the 3 can do as wel >> THIS IS GOOD TO KNOW. I'm leaning toward one of these for ease of stage use. I do hope GIANT gets involved w/ mp3. Might be a good thing for them. I'm tring to encourage Gary to talk to Kerry in London and sounds like a go. paul Paul Adams Lakefront Records MP3.com/PaulAdams MP3.com/DavidHoffman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 18:08:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08505; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:05:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:05:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Ppaulpadam@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:03:46 EDT Subject: OT: GENTLE GIANT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: <1VxE8D.A.iCC.vj195@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/25/00 1:06:16 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: << were there brothers in GG? In 1992 "RAY Shulman" produced 3 tracks for Cranes (my band at the time) I remember that he told us a little about Gentle Giant (thoroughly nice guy (who maybe spent a tad too long getting a long delay out of a reel to reel that we could have got out of a SPX90 (I mean 2 weeks to record 3 songs!!!))), but I had never heard them. I would be very interested to hear some if anyone knows any current links??? >> Derek Schulman DID become a big record exec. He's a business person. The other Schulman bros are still doing music in London ( Ray ). Other a gift shop. There is a HUGE GG internet following and a GG list. My links will be old but do search for them and you'll find 'em. BTW, I got a BOOMERANG and am trying to find time to get to know it well. Used at a few live shows and found interesting. I keep wanting to save certian loops tho!!!! Alas, me be spoiled by all this midi. paul adams Paul Adams Lakefront Records MP3.com/PaulAdams MP3.com/DavidHoffman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 18:15:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08852; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:11:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:11:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: mhamburg@mailsj-v1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39F72A53.C87F0EBA@hoover-keith.com> References: <01BBF96D.77B01300.jonathan@full-moon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:14:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Mark Hamburg" Subject: Re: sp-808 Resent-Message-ID: <_7PakD.A._JC.Cq195@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:45 AM -0700 10/25/00, Ryan D. Supak wrote: >> I just never quite worked in my rig; not >> enough realtime looping control for me, and a bit expensive. > >yeah it is admittedly better suited for live performance at raves and >the like, where much of the song material is pre-programmed, you just >manipulate how it is presented. > >2 808s, however, works reeeeeeeealllly well for looping. > >rs Can you go into more detail about the setup you are using to make the SP-808 (or two SP-808s) a viable looper? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 18:23:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09548; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:21:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:21:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: mhamburg@mailsj-v1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39F72306.F4A8BD54@hoover-keith.com> References: <01BBF965.51064880.jonathan@full-moon.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20001025130353.00fbf220@mail.redmoon-music.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:23:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Mark Hamburg" Subject: Re: sp-808 OS update Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:14 AM -0700 10/25/00, Ryan D. Supak wrote: >> Version 1.050 of the SP-808 OS is here: >> >> http://209.144.99.11/SUPPORT/SOFTWARE/UPDATES2.HTM > >but this only works if you have a new sp-808-ex already or are a good >hacker: > >a line of the os posted on the 808-users had been modified to let >808-classic-users dl it. An interesting error from the Read Me for the SP-808EXv1001 operating system as downloaded from Roland's web site: "The latest system software of the SP-808EX is stored in the Standard MIDI File (SMF) format. Use the following procedure to update the SP-808:" ^^^^^^ Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 18:40:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10393; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:29:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:29:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:28:00 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: OT Guitar processor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA10253 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com << Oh, sorry, I guess I misunderstood your original message. A few others on LD have suggested the Boss (Roland) GT-5. I have both the GT-5 and GT-3 for my Chapman Stick. The GT-3 is nearly identical to the GT-5 except smaller (four foot pedals instead of five) and less expensive. Anything the 5 can do the 3 can do as wel >> Paul wrote > THIS IS GOOD TO KNOW. I'm leaning toward one of these for ease of stage use. I do hope GIANT gets involved w/ mp3. Might be a good thing for them. I'm tring to encourage Gary to talk to Kerry in London and sounds like a go. Hi Paul... The one thing that bothers me about the GT-3 is that the fx loop is dedicated as a distortion box insert point and you can't use the loop AND the distortion (you CAN use the amp sims). This may or may not be important depending on your needs. I wish it had TWO serial fx loops and another stereo serial/parallel/mixable one. If it had that I'd be a happy camper. The second thing is that I like the internal power supply on the GT-5 as well... one less wall wart... I've heard great things about the "splicer" function and some other features as well... In the end you probably find a way to solve all of these things given enough time. Finally... OB-Loop-Item... The GT-5 has a hold function on the delay module which actually spills over to other patches if each patch has the same fx order AND the delay is timed exactly the same. (Either tap tempo wise or milliseconds). Allowing for delay/hold style looping and flexible patch changing. Sometimes you get some popping when going to patches with radically differing volumes. Maybe the GT-3 does this as well? Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 18:58:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11012; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:47:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:47:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001025154559.00839470@col-ed.org> X-Sender: tim@col-ed.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:45:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Timoth E. Gard" Subject: PAIA CV-MIDI Converter (was: Portland Oregon) In-Reply-To: <03b201c03eb4$484990b0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <200010210438.AAA02497@hemlock.violacea.com> <39F1275A.CB7061A1@cruzio.com> <3.0.6.32.20001023145002.007f4650@col-ed.org> <3.0.6.32.20001024105927.007cb670@col-ed.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Dennis, I'd recommend it. You can easily fit two in a single rack space. The only issue is finding space on the rack case for all of the input jacks. It has a very fast response and it's MIDI output is fairly customizable. You could also fit their MIDI-CV in the other side of the rack if you wanted to, for a full analog i/o thingy. I think that response time is about 50 microsec (don't have the literature in front of me). The only little extra thing I did was make 7 1/4" plugs that were shorted. Then I plug them into unused inputs just to keep all of the signals clean. If you're not filtering for a specific controller, the unused inputs are very sensitive and will couple with the input signal, generating a little extra noise. The other thing is that you're limited to 0-5V as the full input range, so you may have to do some voltage scaling. I just found the MIDI settings (set via a mini-DIP, for which you might want to cut an extra case hole)... ---------------- 9201Fader operation details There are two modes of operation. In multi-channel mode, each fader sends the same MIDI controller number, but each on a different MIDI channel. The lowest channel is selected by entering a binary value on switches 1 to 3 of DIP switch S1. The first fader will transmit on the channel selected, and the remaining faders will occupy the channels numbered continuously above that. Setting a value of "000" on these three switches, for example, transmits on channels 1 through 8 (channels are conventionally numbered as one more than the binary value). Switches 4 to 8 on S1 are used to select one of the first 32 MIDI controller numbers. A setting of "00111000" transmits MIDI volume (controller 7) on channels 1 to 8. ---------- In single -channel mode, each fader is assigned to a MIDI channel number, selected using switches 1 to 4 on S1. Each fader transmits a different MIDI controller number. The first fader is assigned to the MIDI controller selected by switches 5 to 8 on S1; the next fader tramits that controller number plus one; the third fader is that number plus two; and so on. Thus, if you select "00010000" on S1, the MIDI Fader will transmit controllers 1 to 8 on MIDI channel 1. ----------- **In either mode, the MIDI Fader is programmed to transmit MIDI pitch bend in place of controller 0 and channel pressure instead of controller 3. --------------------------- Hope this message isn't too long for everyone. But there is the MIDI customization in a nutshell. Hope that answers most of your questions. Tim At 01:49 PM 10/25/00 -0500, you wrote: >> Rackmounted Paia CV-MIDI converter, this is where the electric eyes go >> (and future contraptions) . . . > >So what do you think of the PAIA converter? I've had my (non-electric) eyes >on this kit for some time. How well does it fit in the 1U rackbox, for >instance? Can you put two in one 1U box? Etc. > >Dennis Leas >------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 18:59:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11609; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:59:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:59:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C03E9E.E190EC20.jonathan@full-moon.com> From: Jonathan El-Bizri To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: OT - Protools Free Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:16:06 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 10 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's finally here, FWIW. http://a1072.g.akamai.net/5/1072/1848/9de8dc4ee911c9/1a1a1a9c0b82f05ccb2 c90be228bf25bbf24970067d50366d54271d544bb29950465c93c6bdb4fb5278cf1/Inst allPTFREE.exe I'm installing it now, to see what you get... bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 20:24:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13886; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:24:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:24:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: Subject: RE: creative mixing Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:15:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C03EE1.E4249F00" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C03EE1.E4249F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Luca- =A0 I'm using a Roland M-480R rackmount mixer.=A0 It has 24 stereo ins and = 6 aux sends, plus a SUB OUT (for sending to the EDP), and a separate CUE OUT = (send this to the other looper), so it's kind-of like a 48X8 mixer.=A0 I = return the FX to channels (not the returns) so that they can be re-routed.=A0 So = if I want to do what you are talking about, I send the sound to the effect's = AUX SEND and to the SUB OUT, send the effect to the SUB OUT, and send the = EDP to the effect's AUX send.=A0 The AUX SENDs are mono; only the SUB and CUE = outs are stereo.=A0 The problems with this setup are that it's only a = 6-space mixer, so things are pretty tight, and also the channels on the board = don't have EQ.=A0 But I can keep everything patched up. =A0 I was using my O1V for a while, and it worked excellent, but=A0for this application=A0the Roland really helps=A0because I am able to see what's = going where at a glance. =A0 =A0 BTW, I have a Roland M-240R (same as the M-480R but with mono inputs = instead of stereo) and a Mackie LM3204=A0(16 stereo channels by 4) rack mixers = for sale if anyone is looking for this type of thing. =A0 =A0 -Hans =A0 =A0-----Original Message----- From: Luca [mailto:lucafeed@tin.it] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:25 AM To: Loop Subject: creative mixing Is there anyone who's using a mixing setup that allows to loop an = effected sound and re-process this loop in to the same processor the original = sound has been treated ? I mean a live and real time setup, so physical plug/unplugs or not = allowed and you have to use a peronal mixer: one of those can be rackmounted, = not a studio board. Try to think it with 3 effect processor with stereo inputs/outputs and = 2 loopers: one with mono and one with stereo input/outputs. =A0 Luca =A0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C03EE1.E4249F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi Luca-
 
I'm using a Roland M-480R rackmount mixer.  It has 24 stereo ins and 6 aux sends, plus a SUB OUT (for sending to the EDP), and a separate CUE OUT (send this to the other looper), so it's kind-of like a 48X8 mixer.  I return the FX to channels (not the returns) so that they can be re-routed.  So if I want to do what you are talking about, I send the sound to the effect's AUX SEND and to the SUB OUT, send the effect to the SUB OUT, and send the EDP to the effect's AUX send.  The AUX SENDs are mono; only the SUB and CUE outs are stereo.  The problems with this setup are that it's only a 6-space mixer, so things are pretty tight, and also the channels on the board don't have EQ.  But I can keep everything patched up.
 
I was using my O1V for a while, and it worked excellent, but for this application the Roland really helps because I am able to see what's going where at a glance.
 
 
BTW, I have a Roland M-240R (same as the M-480R but with mono inputs instead of stereo) and a Mackie LM3204 (16 stereo channels by 4) rack mixers for sale if anyone is looking for this type of thing.
 
 
-Hans

 
 -----Original Message-----
From: Luca [mailto:lucafeed@tin.it]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:25 AM
To: Loop
Subject: creative mixing

Is there anyone who's using a mixing setup that allows to loop an effected sound and re-process this loop in to the same processor the original sound has been treated ?
I mean a live and real time setup, so physical plug/unplugs or not allowed and you have to use a peronal mixer: one of those can be rackmounted, not a studio board.
Try to think it with 3 effect processor with stereo inputs/outputs and 2 loopers: one with mono and one with stereo input/outputs.
 
Luca
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C03EE1.E4249F00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 20:57:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15157; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:57:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:57:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: creative mixing Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:55:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Repeater's stereo FX insert is routable through the front panel track selects so you can "loop an effected sound and re-process this loop in to the same processor the original sound ". You can select the FX insert to be on the input (thus recording an effected sound) and then select the insert to be on the output or individual tracks. I'm going to post an Alpha manual to our web site in the next few days so you'll be able to read more about every detail. a back panel I/O illustration can be found at our site http://www.electrixpro.com (Repeater is a new loop based recorder from Electrix due to ship in the next month or so.) Best Regards, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix / IVL "No Creative Barriers" Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com -----Original Message----- From: Luca [mailto:lucafeed@tin.it] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:25 AM To: Loop Subject: creative mixing Is there anyone who's using a mixing setup that allows to loop an effected sound and re-process this loop in to the same processor the original sound has been treated ? I mean a live and real time setup, so physical plug/unplugs or not allowed and you have to use a peronal mixer: one of those can be rackmounted, not a studio board. Try to think it with 3 effect processor with stereo inputs/outputs and 2 loopers: one with mono and one with stereo input/outputs. Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 21:00:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15358; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:59:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:59:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "David O" To: Subject: Digitech PMC-10 Midi Foot Controller Pedal available on Ebay Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:58:13 -0400 Message-ID: <000401c03ee7$d8e30ce0$6104c9cd@oleniacz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopers http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=479772215 Digitech PMC-10 Midi Foot Controller Pedal NEVER USED !! I bought this PMC-10 from an Ebayer who never used it. I never used it either, I was keeping it as a spare, but now I'm selling it. The unit has been checked out at a repair shop to verify it is in working order. This is one of the most versatile midi controllers ever. The external device jack even lets you control non-midi devices (amp channel switching, sequencer start/stop, etc) You can control almost anything with this pedal. Built-in MIDI merge feature. The only thing that keeps this unit from being absolutely mint is the scratch underneath the unit, otherwise you couldn't tell it from new. Comes with the manual, power supply, and programming remote. Free PC backup and editor program available at http://www.mindspring.com/~sean_/pmc/index.html >From the manual: The PMC10 pedal board features 12 footpads with soft touch switches for ease of triggering, and a 20 character flourescent display. The PMC-10 is versatile MIDI switcher, it is a powerful and expressive tool by which musicians may stretch their musical imagination to the outer limits of creative possibility. It is designed as a performance tool, but is equally at home in a studio setting, or any application where absolute MIDI flexibility is demanded. Unequaled performance functions, compact size, and affordable price place the PMC-10 at the top of its class. Standard features include: 500 Patches, each consisting of Patch Name, 2 different assignable MIDI strings, definition for Continuous Controllers, and a Record Mode for each MIDI string. 99 Banks operating in either 9-Patch mode (9 patches per bank) or Sequential Mode (unlimited-length sequence of Patches) 5 Sets that allow you to step through a sequence of Banks, which can, in turn, allow you to step through a sequence of Patches using only one pedal! 2 Continuous Controller inputs, each assignable for up to 4 separate Continuous Controller commands (3 local and 1 global) including polarity and range selection of CCs. MIDI filters, assignable for both MIDI command and channel. Check this Out The real power behind the PMC-10 is that each foot pedal can send 2 different midi strings (midi string A and midi string B) and it can assigned the pedals to be operated in four different modes (Normal, Enhanced, Momentary, and Toggle) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 26 07:44:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA22605; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 07:42:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 07:42:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:40:02 +0200 Subject: Suspicion Breeds Confidence/Frankfurt 27th of October From: Tobias Schmitt To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SBC will play live on Friday. The event will take place at the University of Frankfurt/Germany. (it will begin at 8pm) Thank you for your attention Tobias acrylnimbus - suspicion breeds confidence - tot mischstab,i. http://www.acrylnimbus.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 26 10:15:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24617; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:15:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:15:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001026100956.00a583c0@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:09:56 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: andre Subject: D 20 ?? sequencer help In-Reply-To: <200010261144.HAA22987@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey anyone know anything about using the sequncer on a roland D 20???? I have one without a manual... i've looked hi and low -- cnat't seem to find said manual online..? any hints? email me direct is cool. thanks! andre' JFK's LSD UFO hear RA/MP3s --- http://www.ufomusic.com Project Object - performing The Music of FRANK ZAPPA - http://www.projectobject.com OCT 29 - THE SAINT - ASBURY PK - NJ - NOV 9 BACK in Philly!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 26 10:32:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25086; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:31:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:31:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001026102801.00a83780@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:28:01 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: andre Subject: Gentle Giant In-Reply-To: <200010240325.XAA23480@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes... these guys are one of the greatest bands..... such a wide, wide brush they painted with!!!! I believe Gary Green - guitarist from GG - is living/teaching /playing in Michigan?? Illinois?? one of the middle northern-states.. he was interviewed in a gret book last year - a book of all obscure or unsung guitarist -- it also featured Ty Tabor of King's X -Kerry Livgren/Kansas...8-10 others. also- there is a cool GG tribute lp with a lot of great contempo artists -- see details at www.keneally.com - -mike keneally (ex zappa) did a track and there is some info there. Loop on!!! and grab a GG lick!! JFK's LSD UFO hear RA/MP3s --- http://www.ufomusic.com Project Object - performing The Music of FRANK ZAPPA - http://www.projectobject.com OCT 29 - THE SAINT - ASBURY PK - NJ - NOV 9 BACK in Philly!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 26 11:37:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26143; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:36:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:36:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <03fe01c03fa4$f3676580$6700a8c0@nathan> Reply-To: "Nathan Collins" From: "Nathan Collins" To: Subject: akai samples - wav loops Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:32:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03FA_01C03F6A.44AC4E00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03FA_01C03F6A.44AC4E00 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_03FB_01C03F6A.44AC4E00" ------=_NextPart_001_03FB_01C03F6A.44AC4E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable anyone know of any good sites for akai format samples + any good wav = files sites out there =20 thanks, =20 natty ------=_NextPart_001_03FB_01C03F6A.44AC4E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
anyone know of any good sites for akai = format=20 samples + any good wav files sites out there
 
thanks,
 
natty
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URL:http://homepage.eircom.net/~groovegrove/index.htm EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:nathan@techstaff.ie REV:20001026T233201Z END:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_03FA_01C03F6A.44AC4E00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 26 15:58:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31767; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:56:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:56:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39F88BF5.58B5D940@hoover-keith.com> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:54:29 -0500 From: "Ryan D. Supak" X-Sender: "Ryan D. Supak" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sp-808 OS update References: <01BBF965.51064880.jonathan@full-moon.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20001025130353.00fbf220@mail.redmoon-music.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > (SMF) format. Use the following procedure to update the SP-808:" please, give it a try and say so if you can get it to work -- about 10 guys on the 808 list said it couldn't... it could save the 808 list moderator legal fees 8>. rs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 26 16:27:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00899; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:26:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:26:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39F89356.43044D6@hoover-keith.com> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:25:58 -0500 From: "Ryan D. Supak" X-Sender: "Ryan D. Supak" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sp-808 References: <01BBF96D.77B01300.jonathan@full-moon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2C2QVC.A.kN.iMJ-5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Can you go into more detail about the setup you are using to make the > SP-808 (or two SP-808s) a viable looper? ************with one sp808: (pardon the greek), with the ex opsys installed, invoke "pad-to-track." use the "sound on sound" fx patch from the "synth" algorithm type. be sure the fxloc is on "send/return". now you can use the fx locator buttons to toggle which of the five fx sends (tracks a,b,c,d, mic/line) you want to add to your 'loopage'. the 5 corresponding faders can adjust the input volume. no edp, but it does meet the minimum requirements... ************with two sp808s: (my live/studio setup) go to "mixer view" and be sure the aux sends on both 808s are up. cross-feed the aux outputs of the two units. (aux out A -> aux in B.) (aux out B -> aux in A.) now you can resample/externally sample forever and never interrupt the flow of audio. yay!!! rs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 26 17:07:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02093; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:06:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:06:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39F89C86.F25CBE6C@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:05:06 -0700 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Mark Sottilaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - Protools Free References: <01C03E9E.E190EC20.jonathan@full-moon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a pc version, is there a mac version? Mark Sottilaro Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > It's finally here, FWIW. > > http://a1072.g.akamai.net/5/1072/1848/9de8dc4ee911c9/1a1a1a9c0b82f05ccb2 > c90be228bf25bbf24970067d50366d54271d544bb29950465c93c6bdb4fb5278cf1/Inst > allPTFREE.exe > > I'm installing it now, to see what you get... > > bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 26 22:32:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09887; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:31:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:31:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: jim@hemlock.violacea.com Message-ID: <39F8E7EA.960BA3CE@jguru.com> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:26:50 -0600 From: Jim Coker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14-5.0.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Yamaha AW4416 vs. Roland VS-1880: Recommendations? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Two easy questions: How noisy is the fan/disk? and: Is it quick to setup for impromtu recording? BTW: if you get a chance, have your dealer complain to yamaha about not introducing a Mini-YGDAI mLan interface board yet. Jim Kevin Mulvihill wrote: > Well, I just wanted to thank those of you that suggested that I go with the > AW4416. I bought one last Thursday. Wow. What a wonderful tool it is. In > fact, it's much better at what it does than I am at doing the music. Still, > I plan to grow into it. > > Thanks again for your recommendations! > > Kevin > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jim@hemlock.violacea.com [mailto:jim@hemlock.violacea.com]On > > Behalf Of Jim Coker > > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 12:06 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Yamaha AW4416 vs. Roland VS-1880: Recommendations? > > > > > > Kevin Mulvihill wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I'm currently wrestling with whether to buy a Yamaha AW4416 or Roland > > > VS-1880. I was just wondering if any of you out there had > > either of these > > > recorders and what your recommendations might be. What do you especially > > > like or dislike about these boxes? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > Kevin > > > > The roland will be much cheaper. The Yamaha has much better > > specs, expandability, etc. I used an 01V for a while, and it is an > > extremely powerful mixer. Moving faders make things a lot easier > > on a digital mixer of any sort. There's a review of the AW4416 at > > Sound on Sound (www.sospubs.co.uk), but a subscription is required. > > If you can afford it, go for the AW4416. > > > > Jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 27 01:23:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13881; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 01:21:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 01:21:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: OT: Yamaha AW4416 vs. Roland VS-1880: Recommendations? Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:19:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <39F8E7EA.960BA3CE@jguru.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, my unit is very, very quiet. I guess it must have a fan in it, but I've never noticed it before. The disk access noise is very minimal. As for setting up for impromtu recording, I really haven't tried to do that yet. In fact, I really haven't had all that much time to spend on it... I also bought a Roland HandSonic at the same time, and it was only today that I began to glimpse the potential of that instrument... I want to get my arms around that a little more so I can lay some rhythm tracks and then build from there. I have noticed however, that when the automated faders reset back to 0, the one on the #5 channel doesn't go all the way down. Are you having this issue, too, Jim? Other than that, it's a purchase I'm proud of! Kevin > Two easy questions: How noisy is the fan/disk? > and: Is it quick to setup for impromtu recording? > > BTW: if you get a chance, have your dealer complain to yamaha about > not introducing a Mini-YGDAI mLan interface board yet. > > Jim > > Kevin Mulvihill wrote: > > > Well, I just wanted to thank those of you that suggested that I > go with the > > AW4416. I bought one last Thursday. Wow. What a wonderful tool it is. In > > fact, it's much better at what it does than I am at doing the > music. Still, > > I plan to grow into it. > > > > Thanks again for your recommendations! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 27 02:18:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14615; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 02:17:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 02:17:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001027002539.0079ebb0@dlcwest.com> X-Sender: was@dlcwest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:25:39 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Garry Wasyliw Subject: RDS 8000 vs. RDS 7.6 (Digitech timemachines) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <6tdoq.A.JkD.62R-5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello! Long time looper, first time poster. I just got on the list and was going through some of the archives and thought I'd offer a bit on a post from earlier in the month. >From: Pratt Winkle >Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 08:47:08 >....They sound quite >different! Almost to the point of being bad vs. good. I've now owned them both and agree. The 7.6 is 8 bit and the 8000, 12 bit. The 7.6 was noisy and distorted and as such caused me to trade it off for the 8000. The 7.6 might be tolerable in front of a distortion device, but for clean sounds, it is not very good. The 8000 sounds quite good to me. I'm using keyboards and I kept thinking that there was some sort of level problem with the 7.6. I finally concluded that that was the way it sounded. >The 7.6 has a hum that comes from the unit (not >through the amp but actually inside the unit) I experienced this as well. The hum turns out to be coming from the power transformer inside the unit. I had another device at that time doing the same thing. I was told by an electronics guy that a smaller, cheaper transformer like the one used here will vibrate internally at 60 cycles. I tried a fix with about 80% sucess. It may be of use to someone, but of course, don't try this if you're not comfortable with going inside an electronic device and I can't be responsible for anything that may go wrong if you try it. 1- Unplug the device and open it to access the transformer. 2- Unbolt the transformer and pull it clear of the unit; no need to unhook its wiring. 3- The transformer is comprised of a metal band wrapped around several layers of metal plates. Bend the tabs of the bottom of the band back and bend the band away from the transformer body until you can remove the band. 4- Mix up a batch of two part epoxy. Smear the epoxy over the ends of the metal plates. Put the band back on and bend the tabs back into place to secure the band. The epoxy should be all around under the band and can squirt out around as well. 5- Let the epoxy set. 6- Bolt the transformer back in. You can try putting a layer of rubber material under the mounting surface. 7- Reassemble the unit. Basically this trys to prevent the vibration between the plates within the transformer and may help from a little to a lot. >Some button presses on the 7.6 sends a small >pop or thud to the amp. I heard this too. >Do you think my 7.6 could be worn out yet still working, or did they >just perfect the idea on the 8000? I think your 7.6 is probably working fine. I thought there was quite a difference between it and the 8000. Garry From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 27 11:15:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18425; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:14:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:14:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <056d01c04027$a6634640$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200010210438.AAA02497@hemlock.violacea.com> <39F1275A.CB7061A1@cruzio.com> <3.0.6.32.20001023145002.007f4650@col-ed.org> <3.0.6.32.20001024105927.007cb670@col-ed.org> <3.0.6.32.20001025154559.00839470@col-ed.org> Subject: Re: PAIA CV-MIDI Converter (was: Portland Oregon) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:07:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <0f3SH.A.hfE.ktZ-5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Tim, I LIKE it! I don't know how much you're into this DIY thing, but here's an idea. Use a sonar ranging module instead of electric eyes. You should be able to convert the distance into a MIDI CC value. There are several suitable kits you might start with. Check out: http://www.wirz.com/sonar/ http://www.robotoz.com.au/~robotoz/page3.html These are all based on the Polaroid sensor used in their cameras. This is sort of a DYI poor man's I-Cube. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 27 11:34:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18983; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:34:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:34:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001027153514.26245.qmail@venus.postmark.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Jeffrey B.Jackson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: AKAI S612 Manual? Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:35:14 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <0hAqOD.A.GoE.oAa-5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Esteem'd Loopers, Does anyone know where I can get a manual for the AKAI S612? Inquiring minds want to know! Kind regards, Jeffrey B. JACKSON From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 27 17:46:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24919; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:46:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:46:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:48:53 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: OT: Yamaha AW4416 vs. Roland VS-1880: Recommendations? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Other than that, it's a purchase I'm proud of! proud of having the money together or was there dificuly to buy it? Wouldnt it make more sense to be proud of using it smartly? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 27 18:00:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25369; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 18:00:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 18:00:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@e-net.com.br@pop.e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:03:24 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: creative mixing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >You can select the FX insert to be >on the input (thus recording an effected sound) and then select the insert >to be on the output or individual tracks. this is great! >I'm going to post an Alpha manual >to our web site in the next few days so you'll be able to read more about >every detail. also great! tell us... > >(Repeater is a new loop based recorder from Electrix due to ship in the next >month or so.) or so? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 27 20:14:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28157; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:14:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:14:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c04073$ba023f20$b183abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: References: Subject: R: OT Guitar processor Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:43:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Having been involved Lex Mpx G2 and Eventide gtr 4000 (devices I think I know well because I have owned the first and owning the second one) I want to give my brief description of the main diffences between the 2. Lexicon is very oriented to analog effects simulations like the most famous gtr stomp boxes and preamps simulations. It works well, very nice reverbs, a JAM MAN inside (20") with the chance to patch it before/after effects. It also have a nice mixer inside, a very natural compressor and very powerful midi implementation. I found it a little bit annoying if you want to destroy gtr signal with deep processing, plus it goes fast out of memory power. Eventide is a wide and deep processor, it lacks of some features like tap tempo controls (you can build it inside but you cannot play between the first and second tap). You have to work hard to find interesting saturations but has a deep preamp (multyfreq.). You can work on it at several levels: making small adjustments on presets or hard editing it ( big work). Of course pitch transposing is something hot inthere ! The both machines have peculiar things: a very small space to save user's programs (on Eventide you can use a Pcmcia card though) and very deep programming study is needed. They "think" in different manners: Lex. is more "linguistic" , has a very small display and "tree" conception; Eventide is "mathematic" and works with modules of several types, its big display becomes smaller with all those controls, but there is a very useful PC editor on line. Regarding Boss, I think that the engine inside those new floor models is the same of my VF-1. For the price they come it's very interesting to abuse of them. All of them have looping power, in this case Lex. is the most powerful. (I saved this mail to be out of thread !) Other interesting box are G-Force/Fireworx, but with just approx. 1,4 " mono delay, 0,8" stereo. Enjoy trying them (always with your gtr and amp). Best Luck, Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 28 15:24:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25617; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 15:21:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 15:21:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c04114$13a4e960$7c87abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: "Loop" Subject: Jam Man for sale Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 21:11:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C04123.934E0AC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C04123.934E0AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have decided to sell my Lex. Jam Man. Footpedal, and wall wart (for europe 220 Volts) Upgraded to 32". Mail privately if interested. Luca lucafeed@tin.it ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C04123.934E0AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have decided to sell my Lex. Jam = Man.
Footpedal, and wall wart (for europe 220=20 Volts)
Upgraded to 32".
Mail privately if interested.
 
Luca
lucafeed@tin.it
 
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C04123.934E0AC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 28 16:51:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28141; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 16:50:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 16:50:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c04120$b12ab960$7c87abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: "Loop" Subject: creative mixing: the mixer Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 22:50:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0054_01C04131.73424620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C04131.73424620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Going back to creative mixing, I have found 2 mixers with 6 aux at the = same price range. Does anybody have a comment to send me about the best one ? Mackie Vlz 1604 Allen & Heath Wz 16:2 Dx (Mixwizard) Sorry if I'm boring you, but I feel the right mixer is the heart of = looping. Thanks Luca ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C04131.73424620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Going back to creative mixing, I have = found 2=20 mixers with 6 aux at the same price range.
Does anybody have a comment to send me = about the=20 best one ?
 
Mackie Vlz 1604
Allen & Heath Wz 16:2 Dx = (Mixwizard)
 
Sorry if I'm boring you, but I feel the right = mixer is the=20 heart of looping.
 
 
Thanks
Luca
------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C04131.73424620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 28 17:47:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29547; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 17:47:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 17:47:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.192.219.2] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: New List Member making critical equipment decisions Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 21:46:05 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Oct 2000 21:46:06.0150 (UTC) FILETIME=[79A18660:01C04128] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey guys- For years I've had what I thought to be my own "unique" vision of a solo performance using loops to make my music:) I've never had the money to put together a rig or the time to build one myself. Just a few days ago, I stumbled across the looper's delight page and realized that there were others doing exactly the things I want to do! Needless to say, I am excited to join the community. After talking to as many people as I can find, I have narrowed my search (I think) down to either an EDP or an electrix repeater. I would be interested to hear your opinions on which might be the better choice for me (understanding that information on the repeater is somewhat harder to come by). I am a professional (I have a day job too though) jazz drummer and I'm looking to expand my live sound. I play mostly acoustically in small settings. I have no experience with midi devices, keyboards, and no interest in playing electronic drums. However, I would describe myself as technically very competent with much knowledge in recording technology and techniques. At one point I started to work out schematics for a simple digital looping device, then abandoned that for a failed attempt at coding a mac to do it. I gave up when I realized that there were quality options available commercially. *My first goal is to build a small looping unit consisting of a microphone, a looping device, and a keyboard type amplifier/speaker so that I can loop live auxiliary percussion while I play my drums acoustically. *If this is a success, I want to put together a more advanced rig (hopefully using the same looping device that I would then be familiar with) consisting of a well mic'ed drum kit, auxiliary percussion mic, 8 or 12 channel mixer, and a looping device to output to a PA. Possibly adding triggering ability and specialty effects. *My ultimate goal is to create a solo live act which would be sort of a performance art/looping musical journey. My vision calls for several percussion "stations" each mic'ed and hooked to a central looping device, with full control at each "station." I've landed a job which should support this nasty habit for a while, but I would really like to make the right choice in the equipment I buy. Any takers in doling out advise? bye- jon _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 28 20:09:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00487; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 20:09:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 20:09:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Ppaulpadam@aol.com Message-ID: <2f.c400ef2.272cc458@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 20:07:52 EDT Subject: OT Gentle Giant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/28/00 2:24:58 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: << I believe Gary Green - guitarist from GG - is living/teaching /playing in Michigan?? Illinois?? one of the middle northern-states.. he was interviewed in a gret book last year - a book of all obscure or unsung guitarist -- it also featured Ty Tabor of King's X -Kerry Livgren/Kansas...8-10 others. >> Gary lisves here in Illinois down the road. He is very happy working on his house and tending cats and dogs. We are both currently looking for a good Guitar processor that will allow us to record streight to the board. The Boss GT# and % are looking like good contenters so far paul Paul Adams Lakefront Records MP3.com/PaulAdams MP3.com/DavidHoffman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 28 21:10:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01485; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 21:10:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 21:10:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a601c04144$4c274f00$4ead5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #188 Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 21:04:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #188 October 26, 2000. On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Tangerine Dream as this year's annual Oktoberfest celebration. The feature CD at Midnight was "Stratosphere" on the Virgin label. I played the music of Vidna Obmana in anticipation of his upcoming November 4 performance at the Gathering. I also played the music of Music For Isolation Tanks (a.k.a. David Talento) to promote his upcoming show in our own back yard on Friday, November 10 at the Borders Bookstore in Whitehall. Tangerine Dream http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2000/focus00.html#oct The Gathering http://www.thegatherings.org/29gather.html Music For Isolation Tanks http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/ ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm VA [Intelligentsia] The Global Village World Wide Kind (Groove) Music For Isolation Tanks Gone Exile (Help Wanted) Tranzit Asphirical Tranzversal (Groove) Ron Boots Close, But Not Touching Close, But Not Touching (Groove) Mike Griffin & Dave Fulton Curved Beyond Zero The Most Distant Point Known (Hypnos) Ozone Player Casino Mobile Insane Logic (Visual Power) Rudy Adrian Valley of Mists The Healing Lake (White Cloud) VA [Vidna Obmana] The Space In-Between The Ambient Expanse (Mirage) 12:00 am Tangerine Dream Straosphere Stratosphere (Virgin) Tangerine Dream The Big Sleep In Stratosphere (Virgin) Search Of Hades Tangerine Dream 3 AM at the Border of Stratosphere (Virgin) the Marsh from Okefenokee Tangerine Dream Invisible Limits Stratosphere (Virgin) Free System Projekt & Cottage #3 Okefenokee Dreams (Groove) Dave Brewer Sean Washburn To Thee Homage Wave Mantra (nnone) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on compilation discs from the Dutch label Groove Unlimited. Next week's feature CD at midnight will be Out There Lies the Truth. I will also play the music of Vidna Obmana in anticipation of his November 4 performance at the Gathering. And Music for Isolation Tanks will be performing at the Borders Bookstore in Whitehall on November 10. I will play music to support this event, too. See the events page for details on both concerts. Events Page http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 28 21:30:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01734; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 21:30:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 21:30:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cd01c04147$8d703b40$4ead5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: creative mixing: the mixer Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 21:28:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com An American mixer and a British desk. Both companies' products get great reviews in the magazines I read. Sorry that I can't do a comparative review. But I've read that the parameters of British desk's EQ sections lend a quality that is unique. I know that's a generalization, but if true, one product may help you achieve the "sound" you want. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox -----Original Message----- From: Luca To: Loop Date: Saturday, October 28, 2000 4:52 PM Subject: creative mixing: the mixer Going back to creative mixing, I have found 2 mixers with 6 aux at the same price range. Does anybody have a comment to send me about the best one ? Mackie Vlz 1604 Allen & Heath Wz 16:2 Dx (Mixwizard) Sorry if I'm boring you, but I feel the right mixer is the heart of looping. Thanks Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 28 21:31:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01811; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 21:31:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 21:31:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39FB7ED8.924E66A2@usa.net> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 19:35:25 -0600 From: Lee Sebel Reply-To: synman@usa.net Organization: Cool Music Gear You Can't Live Without X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Gentle Giant and a plug References: <200010281924.PAA25859@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hear here! GG is indeed one of the most versatile and creative bands ever...bet if they were still around they might be into doing some cool loops. The tribute album that was mentioned is worth a spin. In addition to the amazing Mike Keneally, the tribute features a cut by the late, great Kevin Gilbert. If you do not know of this dear departed genius you can go to: www.kevingilbert.com If he were still with us I guarantee he'd be into looping as he was always on the cutting edge of production techniques and values. He did everything, including singing incredibly deep lyrics with a wonderfully expressive voice. He was working on an industrial project called "Kaviar" when he died. I have some boots that are stunningly cool. -- Tonefully yours... Lee Sebel•Cool Music Gear You Can't Live Without•888-487-2166 Representing Innovative Instruments of Impeccable Quality >>> Check out my original music at <<< http://www.mp3.com/voltz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 28 22:26:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02710; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 22:26:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 22:26:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.240.221.104] From: "space module" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Gentle Giant Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 21:25:04 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2000 02:25:05.0134 (UTC) FILETIME=[72D7C8E0:01C0414F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Gary lisves here in Illinois down the road. He is very happy working on his >house and tending cats and dogs. We are both currently looking for a good >Guitar processor that will allow us to record streight to the board. The >Boss >GT# and % are looking like good contenters so far > >paul Hey Paul, You should really check out the Zoom GFX8 if you like the Boss GT-3 and 5. It costs less and it also sounds really good. I think it has a 25 second phrase sampler which qualify it as a looper. I tried one out at the Zzounds store in Chicago for about a half hour. It has amp modeling and nice distortions/overdrives. It has more effects types than the Boss units: 69>32. Also like the Boss'es it is in a steel box and is rugged yet it has plenty of knobs for setting up sounds (more than the Boss units). It has a mono in, mono effects send and return, an auxilary stereo pair in and stereo outputs. It also comes with software to program it even more from a Mac or PC. If you like the sound, it certainly beats the Boss units for functionality and control features. I am thinking of getting one to use instead of my racks for its portability when I play out. I play Electric 6 string violin as well as playing a little guitar and bass. Check it out before you decide: www.zoom.co.jp have a good one Nick _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 28 23:43:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03575; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 23:43:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 23:43:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C04122.22370AE0.jonathan@full-moon.com> From: Jonathan El-Bizri To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: OT - Protools Free Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 21:00:41 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 26 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yup, a mac version too. bIz -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [SMTP:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 2:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - Protools Free This is a pc version, is there a mac version? Mark Sottilaro Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > It's finally here, FWIW. > > http://a1072.g.akamai.net/5/1072/1848/9de8dc4ee911c9/1a1a1a9c0b82f05ccb2 > c90be228bf25bbf24970067d50366d54271d544bb29950465c93c6bdb4fb5278cf1/Inst > allPTFREE.exe > > I'm installing it now, to see what you get... > > bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 29 03:19:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06231; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 03:18:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 03:18:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003c01c04180$b583b1a0$9b00e4d4@z5k2e6> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <00a601c04144$4c274f00$4ead5cd1@-> Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #188 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 08:17:39 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Bill! Yikes, that should have been Stratosfear, shouldn't it? The move to London was more time-consuming than originally thought, and I'm just getting the office/studio completed in its put-together. Hence you'll be sent a few CDs in the next two weeks at least! Happy Halloween, in advance! Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fox" To: Sent: 29 October 2000 01:04 AM Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #188 > [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] > > EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday > at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in > Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. > > Show #188 October 26, 2000. > > On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Tangerine Dream as > this year's annual Oktoberfest celebration. The feature CD at Midnight was > "Stratosphere" on the Virgin label. > > I played the music of Vidna Obmana in anticipation of his upcoming November 4 > performance at the Gathering. I also played the music of Music For > Isolation Tanks (a.k.a. David Talento) to promote his upcoming show in our own > back yard on Friday, November 10 at the Borders Bookstore in Whitehall. > > Tangerine Dream > http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2000/focus00.html#oct > The Gathering http://www.thegatherings.org/29gather.html > Music For Isolation Tanks http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/ > > > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > ======================= ======================== ============================== > 11:04 pm > VA [Intelligentsia] The Global Village World Wide Kind (Groove) > Music For Isolation Tanks Gone Exile (Help Wanted) > Tranzit Asphirical Tranzversal (Groove) > Ron Boots Close, But Not Touching Close, But Not Touching > (Groove) > Mike Griffin & Dave Fulton Curved Beyond Zero The Most Distant Point Known > (Hypnos) > Ozone Player Casino Mobile Insane Logic (Visual Power) > Rudy Adrian Valley of Mists The Healing Lake (White Cloud) > VA [Vidna Obmana] The Space In-Between The Ambient Expanse (Mirage) > > 12:00 am > Tangerine Dream Straosphere Stratosphere (Virgin) > Tangerine Dream The Big Sleep In Stratosphere (Virgin) > Search Of Hades > Tangerine Dream 3 AM at the Border of Stratosphere (Virgin) > the Marsh from Okefenokee > Tangerine Dream Invisible Limits Stratosphere (Virgin) > Free System Projekt & Cottage #3 Okefenokee Dreams (Groove) > Dave Brewer > Sean Washburn To Thee Homage Wave Mantra (nnone) > > 1:00 am > > * = exerpt > VA = Various Artists (compilation) > > On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on compilation discs from the > Dutch label Groove Unlimited. Next week's feature CD at midnight will be Out > There Lies the Truth. I will also play the music of Vidna Obmana in > anticipation > of his November 4 performance at the Gathering. And Music for Isolation Tanks > will be performing at the Borders Bookstore in Whitehall on November 10. I will > play music to support this event, too. See the events page for details on both > concerts. > > Events Page http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html > > Bill billfox@fast.net > http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html > ============================================================================ > Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at > 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and > Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. > Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 29 07:26:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA09239; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:26:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:26:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c041a2$e36490e0$946202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: OT: voice generating program Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:22:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <4cUj5B.A.OQC.9cB_5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I remember that recently there was some talk about voice generating program for awe32. i remember that i got it with my awe. but i've lost the disks or borrowed it to somebody, don't know to be honest. can someone please tell me the name of that program or any other which do the same thing. thanks, gregor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 09:59:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06085; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:58:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:58:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39FD8B49.8368589E@t-online.de> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:52:57 +0100 From: Manfred_Bohnhoff@t-online.de (Manfred Bohnhoff) Reply-To: Manfred@buddhas.de Organization: The Buddhas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW0323w (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: New subscriber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender: 320024095934-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fellow loopers, I´d like to introduce myself briefly as a new list member although I was in the list until about 2 years ago. My name is Manfred and I live in Hamburg, Germany My band is an a cappella group called The Buddhas. We perform a rather contemporary style, using mouth drumming and electronic effects. Our setup includes 2 Jammen, TC Electonic´s Fireworx and various guitar multi effects devices, all applied to our voices. I also tried to integrate an EDP which I purchased participating in the list´s historical group buy @ Alto Music. This will be subject of a separate inquiry to the list following soon. We hope to update our website soon to reflect recent changes in the lineup and to offer some of the more recent recordings. I´m going to link you there as soon as we´re done. This should do for a quick introduction. Ask me if I forgot anything. Meanwhile, I´m looking forward to a good time in the list! Manfred From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 13:37:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09481; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:36:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:36:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39FDBE7C.162737BA@t-online.de> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:31:24 +0100 From: Manfred_Bohnhoff@t-online.de (Manfred Bohnhoff) Reply-To: Manfred@buddhas.de Organization: The Buddhas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW0323w (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: New subscriber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 320024095934-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Welcome back to the list. > You forgot to tell us your WEB site's URL. > Perhaps you are waiting until it has been updated? Thank you very much, Floyd. This was indeed was I was trying to express. Manfred From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 14:09:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10125; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:08:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:08:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:12:31 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Critters buggin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <0ab301c042a5$5a3a4860$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i just caught critters buggin (from seattle) at the mercury in austin. awsome band. instrumental free jazz/space/freak-out-jams their saxophonist uses a boomerang (i think) and many effectoid weirdnesses to create and mangle live loops and they use sample loops as well. all members are virtuoso musicians. they took my head right off. a definite must see. i give them three thumbs up. check them out if they come your way. their web site (still somewhat under construction): http://www.crittersbuggin.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 16:15:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12341; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:14:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:14:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:11:56 EST Subject: LOOP ORGY AT LOOPXCHANGE To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com we would like to invite everyone over to www.loopxchange.com to hear 2 new cds by the CT-PROJECT............."MINIATURES"............"BLUEZETTE"...........coming soon............"philiter phrenzy".............."AMBIENT"................lots-o-tunes from your friends at CT-COLLECTIVE................"its about the music".................michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 16:38:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13006; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:37:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:37:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39FE6788.A82472C6@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:32:40 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LOOP ORGY AT LOOPXCHANGE References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael I want to know since your first post here on LD you always use ".........." beetween words why : you didnt read the manual ? ....: its a well known form of art ? ....: its compulsive ? ....: want to be noticed ? .............................Why ? ? Claude? Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > we would like to invite everyone over to www.loopxchange.com to hear 2 new > cds by the > CT-PROJECT............."MINIATURES"............"BLUEZETTE"...........coming > soon............"philiter > phrenzy".............."AMBIENT"................lots-o-tunes from your friends > at CT-COLLECTIVE................"its about the music".................michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 16:44:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13316; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:44:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:44:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:42:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: AirFX Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, just thought i would pass this on, since there have been some current threads about d-beam/infared technology, as well as software loopers and DJing. i was checking out a music mag during lunch today. MC2 (music, computers, culture). man, do i feel out of touch now...this mag is chock full of the newest gizmo's, downloads, fashion, etc. All targeted towards the DJ/technojunkie/home recording/beat culture folks. As time marches on, i realize i am quickly slipping away from the 'target market'. is that why i feel out of the loop? or is it that the ads and articles are designed to make you feel guilty if you don't have the newest and coolest? lots of praise for ProTools...how it allows folks to create 'music', even though they are less than capable musicians. i do this too...cutting and pasting good parts over bad. when did this become something you brag about, though? anyway, forgive my mini rant. the reason i am posting is because i saw an ad for the Alesis AirFx. Looks like a combination of Roland's D-beam technology melded with Korg's Kaos Pad. Pre-programmed effects that you engage by moving your hand over an infared beam. the ad suggests checking out the website at www.alesis.com. that's about all i can tell by the ad. i'll check out the website when i get a chance. seeya, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 16:53:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13685; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:53:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:53:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001030154958.00f736b0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:52:41 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: AirFX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich (03:42 PM 10.30.2000) wrote: >the reason i am posting is because i saw an ad for the Alesis AirFx. Looks >like a combination of Roland's D-beam technology melded with Korg's Kaos >Pad. Pre-programmed effects that you engage by moving your hand over an >infared beam. the ad suggests checking out the website at www.alesis.com. You have the basics correct. The audio I/O is RCA, there is NO MIDI support, there is NO editing of effects. This was a pet project of Alesis' CEO... A more "full featured" box (MIDI I/O,. editing, 1/4" audio I/O) *MIGHT* show up in the FAR future. Mark ________________________________________________________________ Stuff: http://www.midiwall.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 17:09:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14301; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:08:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:08:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:07:34 EST Subject: abandon topic all who enter To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/30/00 7:37:18 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, c.voit@vtx.ch writes: << you didnt read the manual ? ....: its a well known form of art ? ....: its compulsive ? ....: want to be noticed ? .............................Why ? ? Claude? >> claude, i have read many manuals but im basically a luddite. are the little dots art? i care about the printed word, yes. my behavior is compulsive and so am i. you noticed. would you rather i used <<<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>>>>>>>>>oh that feels so good! ......................................................:)...................... ......................michael...... ahhhhhh to drink the sweet wine of abandon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 17:23:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14723; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:23:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:23:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:05:41 -0800 From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: new toys was: AirFX To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006101c042ce$4ef2b900$735cfea9@pavilion> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well you can't blame them for trying to make you feel guilty--they have to pay for their bloated advertising, R+D and all those trade shows besides it's true--you can't make music with '70s synths and RDS-8000s--at least that's my excuse ;) I just know that if I owned a new Beetle or SUV, wore the right Gap clothes and drank Finnish vodka . . . and bought an AirFx, that would jump-start my life oh well drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideomo@swbell.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 1:42 PM Subject: AirFX SNIP> i was checking out a music mag during lunch today. MC2 (music, > computers, culture). man, do i feel out of touch now...this mag is > chock full of the newest gizmo's, downloads, fashion, etc. All > targeted towards the DJ/technojunkie/home recording/beat culture > folks. As time marches on, i realize i am quickly slipping away from > the 'target market'. is that why i feel out of the loop? or is it > that the ads and articles are designed to make you feel guilty if you > don't have the newest and coolest? lots of praise for ProTools...how > it allows folks to create 'music', even though they are less than > capable musicians. i do this too...cutting and pasting good parts > over bad. when did this become something you brag about, though?SNIP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 18:02:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15506; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:02:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:02:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:57:35 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200010302257.QAA28781@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: Re: new toys was: AirFX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA15478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >besides it's true--you can't make music with '70s synths and RDS-8000s--at >least that's my excuse ;) You can´t????? hell!! I will have to sell My Jupiters,Junos, Moogs and all my electroharmonix Gizmos and buy a Ms-2000!!! ;-D From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 18:08:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15700; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:07:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:07:54 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:13:46 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: new toys was: AirFX To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0b4901c042c7$0f312ce0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <200010302257.QAA28781@servidor.unam.mx> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com since all those are useless now, i'll take them off your hands for oh, idunno... $20.00? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Soto" To: Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 4:57 PM Subject: Re: new toys was: AirFX > > >besides it's true--you can't make music with '70s synths and RDS-8000s--at > >least that's my excuse ;) > > > You can´t????? hell!! I will have to sell My Jupiters,Junos, Moogs and all > my electroharmonix Gizmos and buy a Ms-2000!!! ;-D > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 18:10:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15824; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:09:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:09:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <75.b69a1f2.272f597c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:08:44 EST Subject: OT:Re: Critters buggin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <7OKZpD.A.I3D.h-f_5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com j, yah! some good friends o'mine: rocking: looping: loopy. just so ya know: matt chamberlain (the critter-drummer) is highly featured on SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH. best, dt / SPLaTTrySNaiL In stores & online (artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, etc) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD / vinyl; 65 minute EP--- remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn >i just caught critters buggin (from seattle) > >at the mercury in austin. > >awsome band. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 19:10:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17148; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:10:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:10:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200010302257.QAA28781@servidor.unam.mx> References: <200010302257.QAA28781@servidor.unam.mx> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:08:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >besides it's true--you can't make music with '70s synths and RDS-8000s--at > >least that's my excuse ;) Thanks for your input, guys. I hope you don't mind me opening up this can of worms...My initial reaction to the magazine i was reading was similar to my general reaction to society as a whole. It definitely affects my viewpoint of life and making music as well. If it seems a viable subject for discussion, i would like to hear your input! It's not just the advertisements of newest and grooviest toys that bother me. You can use '70's synths to make music...for sure (or bang on pots and pans, for that matter). Alot of the new toys are 'modeled' and mimic instruments now deemed as 'classic'. It's this RELENTLESS pushing of technology like it's some sort of savior that's getting to me. I've GOT to get that new software update! Oh, gosh, let's not just model classic amps, let's model classic mics, classic effects, classic everything. You don't need 8-tracks, you need 48 or more, as many as your computer can handle, only you need MORE drive space now...MORE ram...MORE Mhz. EVERYONE CAN MAKE MUSIC! Turntable sales are higher than guitar sales. Bet that will put a few music teachers out of business. Music that you steal through technology is valued more than inspiration. And i'm supposed to be thankful that i have ANOTHER reason to stare at a CRT monitor, and be linked into this WEB that's now pushing as much 'product' as 'information'. Do you have more 'time' on your hands, now that you have all of these time-saving goodies surrounding you? Do you really? I am sure i just jumbled up a whole mess full of ideas on that last paragraph. My attitude is shaped by the fact that I am a resident of southern california, where we are being constantly bombarded by images and concepts of what you should look like, what kind of music you should listen to or play, what car to drive, what house to have, etc. ad nauseum. Where every fricking square inch of land and every last natural resource is being marked off for sale and consumption. So, apologies again for the rant, but thanks for letting me get it off my chest (once again). I think it's important. Why are we rushing forward at such a pace? Why do i walk into a record store or a music store (or any 'store' for that matter) and become completely overwhelmed and somewhat depressed? The sheer saturation makes the air thick...Did you know that they are building a new Mars Music in Santa Ana here in Orange County? Did you know that they JUST BUILT a Mars Music 10 minutes up the road? A brand new store that they chocked full of inexperienced, inept salespeople? Did you know that there are two fully stocked Guitar Centers and a Sam Ash within a 20 minute radius of the location of this proposed new store? How many fucking Squire Stratocasters do we need to sell? Call me bitter and twisted, and some of you in more remote places may think i'm in heaven. But I think it's frightening and assinine, and it's not just music...it's everything. more stores, more cell phones, more computers, more population, more movies, more sports, more hyper-sports, more adrenaline, more SUV's, more, more, more. so, the question is: how do you reconcile being a technology junkie that's having this nagging feeling in your gut that something is VERY wrong? rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 19:29:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17514; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:29:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:29:06 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:33:55 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: OT:Re: Critters buggin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0b5d01c042d2$40680c60$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <75.b69a1f2.272f597c@aol.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > matt chamberlain (the critter-drummer) is highly featured on > SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH. yeah, i'm from dallas so i remember him from several great bands before he moved to seattle. he and another dallas drummer, earl harvin, really seem to have found that relaxed concentration that allows great feats of technical dexterity while still remaining loose and free. ok, now this deserves the OT addition to the subject... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 19:30:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17613; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:30:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:30:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:34:02 -0700 (MST) From: the Reverend Rob To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, rich wrote: > so, the question is: how do you reconcile being a technology junkie > that's having this nagging feeling in your gut that something is VERY > wrong? I moved to Idaho. I have my nice tech job in a much better environment, very little stress, and don't have the problems associated with living in an overpacked urban area. 93/156 == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.mp3.com/thereverendrob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 19:32:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17709; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:32:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:32:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:31:04 EST Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/30/00 10:16:31 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, rich@nuvision.com writes: << How many fucking Squire Stratocasters do we need to sell? >> rich..........:(sorry claude:).........better than guns you bitter twisted person.........:)..........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 19:44:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17976; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:43:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:43:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001030194506.007cace0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:45:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: abandon topic all who enter In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <6_sYu.A.oYE.iWh_5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When you all get your copies of the Chain Tape Project's new release '75 Seconds'*, you'll notice that in the liner graphics I wrote Michael's name as 'Michael.............Klobuchar'! :-) * Available at Tim At 05:07 PM 10/30/00 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 10/30/00 7:37:18 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, >c.voit@vtx.ch writes: > ><< you didnt read the manual ? > ....: its a well known form of art ? > ....: its compulsive ? > ....: want to be noticed ? > .............................Why ? > ? > Claude? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 20:10:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18497; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:07:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:07:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: jon.wagner@stanfordalumni.org From: "Jon Wagner" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:06:38 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2000 01:06:38.0877 (UTC) FILETIME=[D28574D0:01C042D6] Resent-Message-ID: <3CbgBC.A.5gE.7sh_5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >so, the question is: how do you reconcile being a technology junkie >that's having this nagging feeling in your gut that something is VERY >wrong? >more hyper-sports, more adrenaline, more SUV's, more, more, more. You forgot the key part in my mind: more selection! I think you've hit on the first part of the solution - "ignore the hype." In my opinion, the second part of the solution is "keep it real." Think about what you NEED and what you WANT. Pray for the things you want and work for the things you need. All of this more more more is great! Somewhere along the way, those thousand monkeys are going to randomly create the product with exactly the features I need. The more products are created, the better chance we'll get the ones we need. We have the wonderfully fun task of cutting through the hype to weed out the crap that masquerades as what we really need! bye- jon _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 20:53:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19364; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:53:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:53:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20001030195155.0080b100@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:51:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) In-Reply-To: References: <200010302257.QAA28781@servidor.unam.mx> <200010302257.QAA28781@servidor.unam.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The red pill ......, or the blue pill? Michael http://www.michaelclark.com At 04:08 PM 10/30/00 -0800, you wrote: >> >besides it's true--you can't make music with '70s synths and RDS-8000s--at >> >least that's my excuse ;) > > >Thanks for your input, guys. I hope you don't mind me opening up >this can of worms...My initial reaction to the magazine i was reading >was similar to my general reaction to society as a whole. It >definitely affects my viewpoint of life and making music as well. If >it seems a viable subject for discussion, i would like to hear your >input! > >It's not just the advertisements of newest and grooviest toys that >bother me. You can use '70's synths to make music...for sure (or >bang on pots and pans, for that matter). Alot of the new toys are >'modeled' and mimic instruments now deemed as 'classic'. It's this >RELENTLESS pushing of technology like it's some sort of savior that's >getting to me. I've GOT to get that new software update! Oh, gosh, >let's not just model classic amps, let's model classic mics, classic >effects, classic everything. You don't need 8-tracks, you need 48 or >more, as many as your computer can handle, only you need MORE drive >space now...MORE ram...MORE Mhz. EVERYONE CAN MAKE MUSIC! Turntable >sales are higher than guitar sales. Bet that will put a few music >teachers out of business. Music that you steal through technology is >valued more than inspiration. And i'm supposed to be thankful that i >have ANOTHER reason to stare at a CRT monitor, and be linked into >this WEB that's now pushing as much 'product' as 'information'. Do >you have more 'time' on your hands, now that you have all of these >time-saving goodies surrounding you? Do you really? > >I am sure i just jumbled up a whole mess full of ideas on that last >paragraph. My attitude is shaped by the fact that I am a resident of >southern california, where we are being constantly bombarded by >images and concepts of what you should look like, what kind of music >you should listen to or play, what car to drive, what house to have, >etc. ad nauseum. Where every fricking square inch of land and every >last natural resource is being marked off for sale and consumption. >So, apologies again for the rant, but thanks for letting me get it >off my chest (once again). I think it's important. Why are we >rushing forward at such a pace? Why do i walk into a record store or >a music store (or any 'store' for that matter) and become completely >overwhelmed and somewhat depressed? The sheer saturation makes the >air thick...Did you know that they are building a new Mars Music in >Santa Ana here in Orange County? Did you know that they JUST BUILT a >Mars Music 10 minutes up the road? A brand new store that they >chocked full of inexperienced, inept salespeople? Did you know that >there are two fully stocked Guitar Centers and a Sam Ash within a 20 >minute radius of the location of this proposed new store? How many >fucking Squire Stratocasters do we need to sell? > >Call me bitter and twisted, and some of you in more remote places may >think i'm in heaven. But I think it's frightening and assinine, and >it's not just music...it's everything. more stores, more cell >phones, more computers, more population, more movies, more sports, >more hyper-sports, more adrenaline, more SUV's, more, more, more. > >so, the question is: how do you reconcile being a technology junkie >that's having this nagging feeling in your gut that something is VERY >wrong? > >rich > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 21:05:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19758; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:04:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:04:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:04:18 -0800 Subject: Looping shows in Seattle: Electrochakra From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id VAA19731 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Electrochakra will be playing at the following places and times this week: € Wednesday, November 1 Hurricane Beach (2230 7th Avenue) 6PM-midnight No cover Happy hour from 4-8PM € Sunday, November 5 Hana's Lounge (1914 8th Avenue) 3-6PM No cover Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Electrochakra -- MP3's and calendar of upcoming shows available at: www.mp3.com/electrochakra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 21:23:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20129; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:22:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:22:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: Looping shows in Seattle: Electrochakra Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:21:56 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Travis, This is certainly a national list, if not international... might be helpful if you included a city as well (and possibly a country if it isn't obvious) when you post your dates... Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: Tiktok [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 6:04 PM > To: Looper's Delight > Subject: Looping shows in Seattle: Electrochakra > > > Electrochakra will be playing at the following places and times this week: > > € Wednesday, November 1 > Hurricane Beach (2230 7th Avenue) > 6PM-midnight > No cover > Happy hour from 4-8PM > > € Sunday, November 5 > Hana's Lounge (1914 8th Avenue) > 3-6PM > No cover > > > Be seeing you, > > Travis Hartnett > Electrochakra > > > -- > MP3's and calendar of upcoming shows available at: > > www.mp3.com/electrochakra > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 21:44:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20637; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:44:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:44:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001030214606.007d9650@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:46:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Looping shows in Seattle: Electrochakra In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id VAA20603 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Would that be the Seattle in Washington, the Seattle in Lithuania, or the Seattle in Botswana? I always get them mixed up... :-) (Sorry Kevin, I couldn't resist! Your point is certainly and absolutely valid, but he sorta kinda did have it in his subject line...) -t At 06:21 PM 10/30/00 -0800, you wrote: >Hi Travis, > >This is certainly a national list, if not international... might be helpful >if you included a city as well (and possibly a country if it isn't obvious) >when you post your dates... > >Kevin > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tiktok [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 6:04 PM >> To: Looper's Delight >> Subject: Looping shows in Seattle: Electrochakra >> >> >> Electrochakra will be playing at the following places and times this week: >> >> € Wednesday, November 1 >> Hurricane Beach (2230 7th Avenue) >> 6PM-midnight >> No cover >> Happy hour from 4-8PM >> >> € Sunday, November 5 >> Hana's Lounge (1914 8th Avenue) >> 3-6PM >> No cover >> >> >> Be seeing you, >> >> Travis Hartnett >> Electrochakra >> >> >> -- >> MP3's and calendar of upcoming shows available at: >> >> www.mp3.com/electrochakra >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 22:16:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21197; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:13:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:13:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "David O" Sender: "David Oleniacz" To: Subject: Digitech PMC-10 Midi Foot Controller Pedal available on Ebay Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:11:18 -0500 Message-ID: <000101c042e8$40253500$9104c9cd@oleniacz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopers http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=479772215 Digitech PMC-10 Midi Foot Controller Pedal NEVER USED !! I bought this PMC-10 from an Ebayer who never used it. I never used it either, I was keeping it as a spare, but now I'm selling it. The unit has been checked out at a repair shop to verify it is in working order. This is one of the most versatile midi controllers ever. The external device jack even lets you control non-midi devices (amp channel switching, sequencer start/stop, etc) You can control almost anything with this pedal. Built-in MIDI merge feature. The only thing that keeps this unit from being absolutely mint is the scratch underneath the unit, otherwise you couldn't tell it from new. Comes with the manual, power supply, and programming remote. Free PC backup and editor program available at http://www.mindspring.com/~sean_/pmc/index.html >From the manual: The PMC10 pedal board features 12 footpads with soft touch switches for ease of triggering, and a 20 character flourescent display. The PMC-10 is versatile MIDI switcher, it is a powerful and expressive tool by which musicians may stretch their musical imagination to the outer limits of creative possibility. It is designed as a performance tool, but is equally at home in a studio setting, or any application where absolute MIDI flexibility is demanded. Unequaled performance functions, compact size, and affordable price place the PMC-10 at the top of its class. Standard features include: 500 Patches, each consisting of Patch Name, 2 different assignable MIDI strings, definition for Continuous Controllers, and a Record Mode for each MIDI string. 99 Banks operating in either 9-Patch mode (9 patches per bank) or Sequential Mode (unlimited-length sequence of Patches) 5 Sets that allow you to step through a sequence of Banks, which can, in turn, allow you to step through a sequence of Patches using only one pedal! 2 Continuous Controller inputs, each assignable for up to 4 separate Continuous Controller commands (3 local and 1 global) including polarity and range selection of CCs. MIDI filters, assignable for both MIDI command and channel. Check this Out The real power behind the PMC-10 is that each foot pedal can send 2 different midi strings (midi string A and midi string B) and it can assigned the pedals to be operated in four different modes (Normal, Enhanced, Momentary, and Toggle) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 22:50:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22688; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:50:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:50:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c042ed$8ff73880$9b00e4d4@z5k2e6> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <200010302257.QAA28781@servidor.unam.mx> Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 03:49:23 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Thanks for your input, guys. I hope you don't mind me opening up > this can of worms... >From this thread I'm beginning to suspect that the can of worms is a lot more localized than you're admitting here. Perhaps you've been up for several days on something and just can't let it go. After living in the LA area for nearly 16 years I came to know an awful lot of neurotic people who actually believe the rest of the world to be like, well, LA. It's a crock, pure and simple, and the faster you realize it the closer to reality one becomes. > Why are we rushing forward at such a pace? What you mean "we", kemo sabe? See what I mean? Neurotic inclusion, sometimes for nothing more than a deep-seated need to validate one's own thoughts, has never been any kind of real validation, or proof. > Why do i walk into a record store or > a music store (or any 'store' for that matter) and become completely > overwhelmed and somewhat depressed? This is a matter for therapy perhaps, another popular pastime in the LA region - and for a lot of good reasons. > The sheer saturation makes the air thick... Well, LA's air is that way because of the multitude of air pollution sources that continue to pay their existence via the politicians elected, whom have no idea what they're doing, but they sure make good money! Not some previously unknown music store that happens to pop up in your neighborhood and - horrors! - in the town next door. Do you work somewhere? > Call me bitter and twisted, and some of you in more remote places may > think i'm in heaven. But I think it's frightening and assinine, and > it's not just music...it's everything. more stores, more cell > phones, more computers, more population, more movies, more sports, > more hyper-sports, more adrenaline, more SUV's, more, more, more. Do you have a belief process of some kind? Move out of your house, take an acoustic guitar, and hit the road for a while. Find America again, buddy - hint, it's NOT in the LA area, which increasingly makes less and less of the entertainment the rest of the world consumes. And stop wanting to be another Dennis Miller, who, alas, became rather tiresome ALSO. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 23:09:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23125; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 23:09:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 23:09:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001031040849.17842.qmail@web6304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:08:49 -0800 (PST) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: Synth repair shop open. To: analogue@hyperreal.org, jp6@synthcom.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Go to www.synthrepairshop.com A friend of mine, Bob, has gone to the web with his repair business. He repairs anything electronic but specializes in analog synthesizers. My dealings with him have been great. He is a no-nonsense tech. Fair prices with, a ton of experience. A Roland certified tech just could not figure out what was wrong with my Jupiter 6. I took it to him 3 different times over the course of 7 months, always with the run around, yet he still charged me over $200. Then I took it to Bob and he had it back to me in less than a week. (Needless to say I got my money back from the Roland tech, I can't believe he charged me before he fixed it.) I also bought an sh-101 from Bob. A friend of his had a closet full of dead synths. Sequentials, Rolands, and a Cat?. He fixed'em all, and sold them (to help fund the South East Just Intonation Society). He turned the Cat into a micro-tonal synth. Allen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 23:26:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23511; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 23:26:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 23:26:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "J. Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: new toys was: AirFX Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:23:14 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <200010302257.QAA28781@servidor.unam.mx> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, let's talk one Jupiter and one Juno, and a couple of your Moogs for, say... $300. Is that a deal to you? Hey, every little bit helps! | -----Original Message----- | From: Andy Soto [mailto:smaug@servidor.unam.mx] | Sent: Monday 30 October 2000 2:58 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: Re: new toys was: AirFX | | | | >besides it's true--you can't make music with '70s synths and | RDS-8000s--at | >least that's my excuse ;) | | | You can´t????? hell!! I will have to sell My Jupiters,Junos, | Moogs and all | my electroharmonix Gizmos and buy a Ms-2000!!! ;-D | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 00:46:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24720; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:45:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:45:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:44:04 EST Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 171 Resent-Message-ID: <47mcr.A.BCG.Jxl_5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/30/2000 6:16:35 PM Central Standard Time, rich@nuvision.com writes: > so, the question is: how do you reconcile being a technology junkie > that's having this nagging feeling in your gut that something is VERY > wrong? > > My answer: be very careful about what goes in my eyes, ears, etc. I believe that everything I listen to seriously will show up sooner or later in my music. turn off the fucking TV stay out of MARS or Guitar Center don't read Rolling Stone or Billboard (read Rumi, or The Advancing Guitarist, or something else, for chrissakes) drive less walk more don't eat at McDonald's... fast food probably contains subtle benzodiazapines in it, they make you lazy and placid and willing to accept the Back Street Boys go placidly amid the noise and haste, etc. and practice a lot. All the artists I really admire and have respect for: they don't swim in the same pool as most everyone else. Besides creating music, I create the world I want to live in. (I've never lived in SoCal, so I don't know how hard that is.) From there, I can create safely. And that nagging feeling, I can channel back into my work if I want. about my equipment fetish: Tools are tools. People are people. fuck it, I'm gonna go practice... k From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 01:32:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25502; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:31:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:31:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39FE6699.E6CFC7B7@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:28:41 -0800 From: Rick Walker Organization: Loop.pooL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: creative mixing: the mixer References: <200010302115.QAA12522@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Luca, I can only speak from my experience, but I'm personally blown away by the quality of the Mackie pre-amps. They are very, very loud with extemely low noise and they are completely transparent. If you want to add a little tube warmth to them you can get an ART single channel, tube pre-amp for only $100. There tube compressor is pretty nice too. I'm a professional artist and ,consequently, I'm usually on a fairly limited budget. With this set-up you can truly create a world class recording on a very reasonable budget. I am also a professional producer and have the privilige to use a lot of state of the art gear in different commercial recording studios. It is true that a very experienced (and highly critical) listener will be able to tell the difference between a Mackie board and a Neve console in a perfect listening environment with state of the art equipment...........a typical lay-person will NEVER hear it. I say "spend less and put more money into creating the art and getting it out to the world". After all, if you own a Jamman (I hate the inherent sexism in that name) or an EDP the quality of the digital recording is fairly retarded by current state of the art standards, anyway. I'm actually very favorably impressed by the sound quality of the LIne 6 modeler....enough so that I've recently purchased a second one to augment my three Jamperson live rig........I actually think they sound far better than either the Lexicon or the Echoplex although, in fairness, my good friend and EDP owner, Michael Haumesser in Rhode Island disagrees with me on this one. My point is, I defy anyone to hear a recording using almost any of the good looping devices on the market today (excluding high end samplers which cannot loop in real time) and be able to tell you which looper that they are hearing. This 'fact' is the leveller of all fields. My vote is for the Mackie (all kudos to Allen and Heath). Also, if you are in the states (please forgive me, I've forgotten) it will be much easier to get the Mackie serviced and vice versa, if you live outside of the states. Good luck, yours, Rick Walker (Loop.pooL...........for now) p.s. for list members, a mockup of my new website is finally up at: http://angelfire.com/electronic/garyseven/itsit.html This will not be it's eventual home (ooooooh, I hate banner ads 8-) as I'm currently searching for a good domain name (looppool.com and looppool.net being taken and the fact that I can't call myself a non-profit for the old looppool.org scene even though, functionally, I am a non-profit). Special thanks to my beautiful and talented wife for teaching herself HTML and designing this page for me. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 05:56:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA28315; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 05:55:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 05:55:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39FEA522.49630C73@cloud9.net> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 05:55:31 -0500 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: pedal recommendations References: <200010310350.WAA22725@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'm looking at buying a set of midi pedals to be used for controlling a looper (when I get one), and also for doing things like sending sets of program change messages to my different synths, continuous controller messages from one or more expression pedals, and ... oh yes, the appropriate commands to a looper ! I'd really like a programmable unit that will allow multiple program changes on different midi channels with each button press. >From reading the specs of a number of pedals (some of which have *very* little info online), it looks to me like the Rocktron Midi Mate might be my best bet. It allows for 5 simultaneous program changes per button. Although the PMC10 is highly touted here, it looks to me like I'm only going to get 2 per button. Anyone have experience with the Rocktron for controlling loopers? Any word from the folks at Electrix about how this will work with the repeater ? Any input that will help in making this decision much appreciated :) Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 07:04:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA29106; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 06:53:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 06:53:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39FF302C.AB14A877@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:48:44 -0800 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pedal recommendations References: <200010310350.WAA22725@hemlock.violacea.com> <39FEA522.49630C73@cloud9.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mountain Man wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I'm looking at buying a set of midi pedals to be used for controlling a looper > (when I get one), and also for doing things like sending sets of program change > messages to my different synths, continuous controller messages from one or more > expression pedals, and ... oh yes, the appropriate commands to a looper ! I'd > really like a programmable unit that will allow multiple program changes on > different midi channels with each button press. > > >From reading the specs of a number of pedals (some of which have *very* little info > online), it looks to me like the Rocktron Midi Mate might be my best bet. It > allows for 5 simultaneous program changes per button. Although the PMC10 is highly > touted here, it looks to me like I'm only going to get 2 per button. PMC 10 allows you to send 16 prg ch + any nb of controler + any other midi messages youll want to. all those at pedal press and the same quantity at pedal release basicly you enter any nb of messages you'll needthe only limit is the pmc memory I currently work with 123 patches and 20 banks so there is no real practical limit The only pedal that could replace pmc10 in everything is the rocktron all access Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 07:14:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA29364; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:12:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:12:03 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: simon@mail.dynamite.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200010302257.QAA28781@servidor.unam.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 22:59:44 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Simon Subject: Re: new toys was: AirFX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id HAA29338 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>besides it's true--you can't make music with '70s synths and RDS-8000s--at >>least that's my excuse ;) > You can´t????? hell!! I will have to sell My Jupiters,Junos, Moogs and all >my electroharmonix Gizmos and buy a Ms-2000!!! ;-D No you have to sell all your vintage synths to buy the VST emulataions of those same vintage synths. Because of the exact same sound, improved internal VST timing vs MIDI timing, and they can have many more voices on each 'synth'. Didn't people learn anything when they all sold their analog to go digital back in the eighties. I have read so many people proclaiming that thesxe virtual synths are the best thing, and how they are going to sell all their real synths since the virtual synths sound exactly the same. Can anyone else see that a synth is not just how it sounds, it's also the physical interface. I don't understand how playing an onscreen VST synth can produce the same sort of emotion/feelings that playing a real chunk of synth can give you. Grabing the filter cutoff knob and felling it warp the sound in realtime, moving a small onscreen dial just doesn't compare, in my opinion. Oh well, sell me all you old Moogs, Oberheims, Arps, etc. for cheap, since they are all useless know that the same thing is a VST plugin. What use are these virtual synths going to be when the company that produced them is long gone, the OS and Audio app that supports them is long gone, and the physical medium they are delivfered on (disk/CD) is unreadable, etc. Simon Canberra AUSTRALIA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 07:44:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA29762; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:43:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:43:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <96.b85ec51.27301846@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:42:46 EST Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <7RORz.A.pQH.w5r_5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mcl451@airmail.net writes: >>Turntable >>sales are higher than guitar sales. Bet that will put a few music >>teachers out of business. or, maybe music educators will learn to stay closer apace w/'culture curves', & begin teaching turntablism (! & looping !) in schools..... best, dt / SPLaTTeRgeek In stores & online (artist-shop, amazon, tower, cdnow, bn, etc) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (full-length CD) SPLaTTeRCeLL:::ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD / vinyl; 65 minute EP--- remixes by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, Tim Bowness(NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL, Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... & 1 add'l SPLaTTeRCeLL track) On CeLLDiviSioN/75Ark: http://www.75ark.com SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 07:51:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA29878; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:49:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:49:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <60.84188f3.2730197f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:47:59 EST Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mcl451@airmail.net writes: >>how do you reconcile being a technology junkie >>that's having this nagging feeling in your gut that something is VERY >>wrong? something *is* very wrong. fix what ya can, from the inside-out. (kinda like: 'as above, so below', methinks). best, dt / SPLaTTeRidealogue From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 08:15:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30387; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:14:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:14:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c0433c$53e9bda0$9b00e4d4@z5k2e6> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <60.84188f3.2730197f@aol.com> Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:13:09 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Last night in a dream, I was at a kind of hilly resort/rest farm, where each person was learning to relax or something, but the director of sorts - an older British lady - would pick out someone to meet, or something to do, for each person there, that would top off their day in a great way. For me, I was introduced to Bishop Tutu, who had the high-contrast appearance of a television signal for some reason, from the moment he took my hand. I didn't know what to say, as has been my tendency in the presence of such folks, and he saw this, and then started by asking me, "How do you find peace?" I answered him while thinking in the dream that it was a bit like an Abbott & Costello routine, "How DO you find peace?" And he then said, "Find Peace in the World. If you cannot find Peace in the World, MAKE Peace WITH the World. If you cannot make Peace with the World, find Peace inside yourself. If you cannot find Peace in yourself, MAKE Peace with yourself." Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 08:45:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30943; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:43:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:43:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <029601c0433f$dafae410$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200010302257.QAA28781@servidor.unam.mx> Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:38:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the rant! I know what you mean. I used to receive the Roland propaganda magazine that they send for free (free? I mean "whose cost is added to their products"). A few years back, I read with true disgust an article that touted the importance of some new thing (a guitar controller or something) that they claimed "saved Joni Mitchell." According to the article, she was ready to chuck it all, give up on music [GASP!!], etc. but she was SAVED BY ROLAND!! And I could be saved too! All it took was buying a new doo-dad from Roland. Alleluia!!! Just crucify me on my credit card!!!! Ever since, the Roland magazine goes directly from the mailbox to the trash. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 08:49:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31089; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:49:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:49:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <4f.2ca9fbb.273027a0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:48:16 EST Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 171 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/31/2000 6:43:50 AM Central Standard Time, torn scrawled: > or, maybe music educators will learn to stay closer apace w/'culture > curves', > & begin teaching turntablism (! & looping !) in schools..... > for this to happen, music education graduates would have to learn it... and colleges would have to teach it... and people who have learned it would have to be willing to actually BE teachers. anyone? kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 08:52:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31199; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:50:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:50:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: McCullaghJ@Logica.com Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:50:16 +0000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 31/10/2000 13:50:23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if memory serves, Joni Mitchell was (is?) using a VG-8 to render her open tunings, without the need for retuning and multiple guitars (pitch-shifting each string individually). handy, and i'm sure she was sick of retuning after 25 years of it .. but as for "saving" her .. i don't think an artist og her calibre needs saving by Roland :-) John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 08:54:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31323; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:53:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:53:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02bd01c04341$262618a0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <60.84188f3.2730197f@aol.com> <004301c0433c$53e9bda0$9b00e4d4@z5k2e6> Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:47:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > "Find Peace in the World. > If you cannot find Peace in the World, MAKE Peace WITH the World. > If you cannot make Peace with the World, find Peace inside yourself. > If you cannot find Peace in yourself, MAKE Peace with yourself." Good words, Stephen. Needs repeating (re-posting)! The UK seems to agree with you! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 08:56:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31428; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:55:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:55:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: McCullaghJ@Logica.com Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:54:53 +0000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 31/10/2000 13:54:59 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > people who have learned it would have to be willing to actually BE teachers. great mental image of a fusty, grey-haired old music professor in the year 2050 looking in disgust at some 19 year-old with an Echoplex Optical Pro XII, saying "good lord, son, you call that a pitch-corrected breakbeat? Tom Jenkinson must be turning in his grave !" J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 09:23:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA32059; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:22:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:22:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:25:21 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Looping shows in Seattle: Electrochakra Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >This is certainly a national list, not at all > if not international... very much so, sir... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 09:23:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA32057; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:22:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:22:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20001030194506.007cace0@pop.ici.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20001030194506.007cace0@pop.ici.net> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:25:40 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: abandon topic all who enter Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just recently wrote him privately and asked: you like the ....... even more than me.... does it symbolize looping... ? :-) he did not answer yet... >When you all get your copies of the Chain Tape Project's new release '75 >Seconds'*, you'll notice that in the liner graphics I wrote Michael's name >as 'Michael.............Klobuchar'! :-) > >* Available at > >Tim > >At 05:07 PM 10/30/00 EST, you wrote: >>In a message dated 10/30/00 7:37:18 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, >>c.voit@vtx.ch writes: >> >><< you didnt read the manual ? >> ....: its a well known form of art ? >> ....: its compulsive ? >> ....: want to be noticed ? >> .............................Why ? >> ? >> Claude? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 11:01:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01588; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:00:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:00:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:00:00 +0000 Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <029601c0433f$dafae410$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This relates to Joni Mitchell usong the Roland VG-8 for it's open tuning ability. Apparently she didn't want to tour with a truck full of guitars each tuned for one song but now she can use one guitar and the V so she still plays live. For those of us in the VG community this was a welcome plug to an underrated (and potentially short lived) piece of equipment. Personally I don't see the problem, companies make products to make money, they advertise these products by sending a promo mag. I'd rather that than the incessant covert advertising that you get on TV all the time. I may have missed the point of this thread :-) Martin Shellard > > I know what you mean. I used to receive the Roland propaganda magazine that > they send for free (free? I mean "whose cost is added to their products"). > A few years back, I read with true disgust an article that touted the > importance of some new thing (a guitar controller or something) that they > claimed "saved Joni Mitchell." According to the article, she was ready to > chuck it all, give up on music [GASP!!], etc. but she was SAVED BY ROLAND!! > And I could be saved too! All it took was buying a new doo-dad from Roland. > Alleluia!!! Just crucify me on my credit card!!!! > > Ever since, the Roland magazine goes directly from the mailbox to the trash. > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 11:01:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01589; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:00:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:00:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:00:00 +0000 Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) From: Martin Shellard To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Teaching turntable skills at school, I think that might just do it, no self respecting DJ would want to do something they get taught at school. dt, this is genius, it's bound to call a halt to this madness, someone tell the government! Martin Shellard > >> people who have learned it would have to be willing to actually BE > teachers. > > great mental image of a fusty, grey-haired old music professor in the year > 2050 looking in disgust at some 19 year-old with an Echoplex Optical Pro > XII, saying "good lord, son, you call that a pitch-corrected breakbeat? Tom > Jenkinson must be turning in his grave !" > > J > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 12:10:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03177; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:09:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:09:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:44:25 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: creative mixing: the mixer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0b8101c04359$d418f690$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <200010302115.QAA12522@hemlock.violacea.com> <39FE6699.E6CFC7B7@cruzio.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > own a Jamman (I hate the inherent sexism in that name) LOL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 12:19:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03458; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:16:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:16:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <034701c0435d$8d85f580$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:11:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Personally I don't see the problem, companies make products to make money, > they advertise these products by sending a promo mag. I'd rather that than > the incessant covert advertising that you get on TV all the time. > > I may have missed the point of this thread :-) It's the overselling, overhyping that bothers me. I don't watch TV so maybe I need to be more desensitized. I don't mind finding out about good products. If they said, "We have a new product we think you might like. It does X. It does Y. It's useful for Z. " But instead they say, "Your life will be meaningless without our new product. Only we have the way to true enlightment. All your work will be worthless until you buy it (and priceless if you do)." In particular, the tone of the article was, "The world would have been deprived of Joni Mitchell's further work if she hadn't bought one of these." So it's hard for me to take their ads seriously. But maybe I'm exaggerating. :D Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 12:21:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03716; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:20:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:20:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:18:59 EST Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <6P3wEC.A.23.q8v_5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ms, >dt, this is genius, it's bound to call a halt to this madness not at all *my* intention! best, dt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 12:31:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04115; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:30:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:30:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:31:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >In a message dated 10/31/2000 6:43:50 AM Central Standard Time, torn scrawled: > >> or, maybe music educators will learn to stay closer apace w/'culture >> curves', >> & begin teaching turntablism (! & looping !) in schools..... >> > >for this to happen, music education graduates would have to learn it... and >colleges would have to teach it... and people who have learned it would have >to be willing to actually BE teachers. > >anyone? Given my experience in music education, the only way this wil happen in music academia is for the artists top turn white, die, and stay that way for a century or two. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 12:31:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04113; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:30:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:30:48 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:29:23 -0800 (PST) From: Rik Elswit Message-Id: <200010311729.JAA17383@well.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) Resent-Message-ID: <1u9J9B.A.h_.OGw_5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis Leas writes: "In particular, the tone of the article was, "The world would have been deprived of Joni Mitchell's further work if she hadn't bought one of these." So it's hard for me to take their ads seriously." I didn't get that at all. Back when she was touring extensively, she needed a truck, 2 roadies, and 30 guitars (some irreplaceable). The VG8 made it worthwhile for her to tour again, even though she isn't selling anywhere near as much product as she used to. She has been heard gushing over the VG8 in several magazine interviews, not only for makeing touring cost effective again, but also for the creative impetus she gets from using some of the more synth-like sounds in it. The VG8 was a true breakthrough instrument, and Line 6, Johnson Millenium, and Yamaha are all following Roland on this. Roland has a hugely successful marketing arm. They are simply doing what has worked for them in the past. Rik Elswit From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 12:43:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04816; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:43:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:43:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:40:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the ass-kicking, Stephen. I will take your recommendations into consideration. You are correct in that good portion of the population here (me included, sometimes...) thinks that the whole world is like LA. I will just post this response so i don't get too neurotically inclusive on ya. > > Thanks for your input, guys. I hope you don't mind me opening up > > this can of worms... > >Perhaps you've been up for >several days on something and just can't let it go. what has this to do with anything? are you suggesting my concern over a time-compressed, product and advertising saturated, technology hyped society is either brought on by taking drugs or by my current zip code? thanks... >What you mean "we", kemo sabe? See what I mean? Neurotic inclusion, >sometimes for nothing more than a deep-seated need to validate one's own >thoughts, has never been any kind of real validation, or proof. ya know, if you and i didn't have any need whatsoever to validate one's own thoughts, we probably wouldn't be contributing to this list. >This is a matter for therapy perhaps, another popular pastime in the LA >region - and for a lot of good reasons. yeah, i been thinking about that. maybe i'll secretly tape my sessions, cut em up and loop em. >Do you have a belief process of some kind? Move out of your house, take an >acoustic guitar, and hit the road for a while. Find America again, buddy - >hint, it's NOT in the LA area, which increasingly makes less and less of the >entertainment the rest of the world consumes. And stop wanting to be >another Dennis Miller, who, alas, became rather tiresome ALSO. again, what are you saying? jeez, that i'm just so over the edge, with nothing to hang onto? just out of my head on drugs, soaking in the LA smog, and having some sort of crisis? that i have no beliefs? I'm 33, healthy, happily married to my lovely wife for going on 7 years. I find learning, guidance, and solace in Wicca. I have a pretty cool job where i work with fantastically talented people. My wife is a talented dance choreographer who is struggling to find a tenured university position, so we are here for some duration. I have an aging father in law who also needs attention and company. So, forgive me if i don't hitchike on a flatbed with my acoustic guitar to 'get away from it all' and find myself. i'm right here. Thanks for your thoughts... rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 12:49:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05019; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:49:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:49:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008b01c04363$c5a7b6a0$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: Guitars at the Boston Museum Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:55:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0088_01C04320.B64714A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C04320.B64714A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable www.mfa.org is the site for the Boston Museum and they have an exhibit = coming Nov-Feb called The Art of the Guitar-Dangerous curves ahead.. 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------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C04320.B64714A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 12:54:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05235; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:54:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:54:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.189.148.4] From: "K. Michael Odnaloc" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DL4 question Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:53:17 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2000 17:53:18.0202 (UTC) FILETIME=[73530DA0:01C04363] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I remember a while back someone posted something about there being different operating versions in the hardware of the DL4 (help me out, I'm struggling this early in the morning :-). There was an early version that had some kind of bug in it that was resolved in a later version of the unit. I searched the archives but couldn't come up with any more information on this, but I know I had done the test previously and found that I do have one of the older models. If anyone knows what I'm talking about here (a challenge in itself I know) could they send me the info on what the fix is so I can contact Line 6 about it. I checked with them a while back and was told it wasn't really a problem but I'm not so sure at this point (strange bugs in the unit make me question their statements). Thanks Kevin _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 13:03:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05592; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:02:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:02:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: irwell.zetnet.co.uk: Host man-a115.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.115] claimed to be abc Message-ID: <008701c04365$04b36f00$732cf7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: DL4 question Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:04:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I remember a while back someone posted something about there being different > operating versions in the hardware of the DL4 (help me out, I'm struggling > this early in the morning :-). There was an early version that had some > kind of bug in it that was resolved in a later version of the unit. I > searched the archives but couldn't come up with any more information on > this, but I know I had done the test previously and found that I do have one > of the older models. If anyone knows what I'm talking about here (a > challenge in itself I know) could they send me the info on what the fix is > so I can contact Line 6 about it. I checked with them a while back and was > told it wasn't really a problem but I'm not so sure at this point (strange > bugs in the unit make me question their statements). I can't answer your question, but have just got one of these and am amazed that nowhere in the literature that I've seen is it being sold as a 28 second sampler, which is what it is! In 'slow' mode, which you can choose before you start recording, you can record up to 28 seconds of stuff, which is not far off JamMan spec (my other looping tool) - 14 was sounding a bit crap, 28, with the option to reverse it and sending it up into mickey mouse territory is much better! :o) Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com ***solo gig in London on Nov 17th - see web-site for details*** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 13:04:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05694; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:04:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:04:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bc01c04365$e32e63c0$7bb387d8@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:05:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...I forget which way it goes- if they sink.. or is it if they float? Shit- let's jes stone him instead! Damn Wicca Hippies in our midst!! ;) I find it extremely difficult to "be right here" myself sometimes- such a good place to be- esp whilst creating sounds and LOOPS- Cliff >I'm 33, healthy, happily married to my lovely wife for going on 7 >years. I find learning, guidance, and solace in Wicca>So, forgive me if i don't hitchike on a flatbed with my acoustic >guitar to 'get away from it all' and find myself. i'm right here. > >Thanks for your thoughts... > >rich > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 13:10:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05903; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:09:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:09:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.77.161.2] From: "space module" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:07:48 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2000 18:07:48.0354 (UTC) FILETIME=[79F9B620:01C04365] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >In a message dated 10/31/2000 6:43:50 AM Central Standard Time, torn scrawled: > >> or, maybe music educators will learn to stay closer apace w/'culture >> curves', >> & begin teaching turntablism (! & looping !) in schools..... >> > >for this to happen, music education graduates would have to learn it... and >colleges would have to teach it... and people who have learned it would have >to be willing to actually BE teachers. > >anyone? Then a different DT said: Given my experience in music education, the only way this wil happen in music academia is for the artists top turn white, die, and stay that way for a century or two. Having been in music academia I see where you are coming from. However not all schools (like the one I went to) are stuck in pre-Schoenberg music pedagogy. Seems like I have seen a few places that teach DJing technique alongside studio production even though I think they were more at the community college level. I wonder if the MIT Media Lab (or any other school of their caliber) has looked at Turntablism or real time looping? I wouldn't be surprised to see Christian Marclay or DJ Spooky teaching someday either. Both of them seem to have a knowledge of the "Classical" aesthetic being taught in music schools. Anyway, even if it is taught, I don't think that you will find the innovation coming out of the classroom. Most of Musical Academia is a ghetto for self agrandizing people who are unknown outside of their own community working on either the music of old warhorse composers or obscure unknown composers. Too many rules! It seems like in music school, there is this requirement to re-invent the wheel, that is learning everything since Palestrina onward before you can try out the new(er) ideas of today. Forget about learning anything non-Western or modern in most music schools. Fundamentals are important, but I just can't see how relevant it is to learn all of the old religious based classical music if your intention is making modern noise. I remember how freaked out my advisor was when I played a piece I composed for Electric Violin, Effects and Jamman... my 2 cents on this digression... Nick _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 13:16:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06146; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:15:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:15:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <036e01c04365$c1660360$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200010311729.JAA17383@well.com> Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:09:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I didn't get that at all. Back when she was touring extensively, she > needed a truck, 2 roadies, and 30 guitars (some irreplaceable). The VG8 > made it worthwhile for her to tour again, even though she isn't selling > anywhere near as much product as she used to. Actually, it has nothing to do with whether it's a VG8 or the latest stompbox. It's not the product, it's the promotion. > Roland has a hugely successful marketing arm. They are simply doing what > has worked for them in the past. Precisely. I don't like the marketing. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Elswit" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 12:29 PM Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) > Dennis Leas writes: > > "In particular, the > tone of the article was, "The world would have been deprived of Joni > Mitchell's further work if she hadn't bought one of these." So it's hard > for me to take their ads seriously." > > > I didn't get that at all. Back when she was touring extensively, she > needed a truck, 2 roadies, and 30 guitars (some irreplaceable). The VG8 > made it worthwhile for her to tour again, even though she isn't selling > anywhere near as much product as she used to. She has been heard gushing > over the VG8 in several magazine interviews, not only for makeing touring > cost effective again, but also for the creative impetus she gets from using > some of the more synth-like sounds in it. The VG8 was a true breakthrough > instrument, and Line 6, Johnson Millenium, and Yamaha are all following > Roland on this. > > Roland has a hugely successful marketing arm. They are simply doing what > has worked for them in the past. > > Rik Elswit > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 14:02:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07323; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:02:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:02:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:00:43 EST Subject: Re: OT rant from hell To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <84.cb21505.273070dc@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >In a message dated 10/31/2000 6:43:50 AM Central Standard Time, torn scrawled: > >> or, maybe music educators will learn to stay closer apace w/'culture curves', & begin teaching turntablism (! & looping !) in schools..... >for this to happen, music education graduates would have to learn it... and colleges would have to teach it... and people who have learned it would have to be willing to actually BE teachers. anyone? Then a different DT said: Given my experience in music education, the only way this wil happen in music academia is for the artists top turn white, die, and stay that way for a century or two. I remember how freaked out my advisor was when I played a piece I composed for Electric Violin, Effects and Jamman... ------ I just had a discussion with this w my girlfried over a little vietnamese lunch... she teaches high-school art, and faces this same problem. F'rinstance, she's trying to get the school system to approve her grant to teach website design as art, and add it to the curriculum, or at least form an art/computing synthesis. Same point: all these ugly webpages that confuse content with (poor) design. Just like all them damn samplers and drum machines that sometimes substitute for music. anyway, it ain't about what tools you use, as she said: if you have the training in the fundamentals, the classic properties, the basic theories, then you can make good stuff regardless of the tools you use. I agree. (just curious: dt: where, besides the school of All Them Guys You've Played Wif, did you get educated? Formally? I ask you cause you're the highest profile amongst us, visibility-wise, etc.) That brings us back to dead white guys: i often didnt care much for ear-training, sight singing, or counterpoint (but Schenkerian analysis was a REAL eye-opener!!!!), but I confess that knowing these basic building blocks sure makes things work for me today. Most pap involves the simplest, basest stuff, harmony, rhythm, etc., to make it easiest for the McDonald's crowd to hear. Not to say that a simple song in the key of F can't be beautiful also, but it's approached differently, isn't it? When I went to NTSU, (most of) my composition professors had no problem with the weirder things I wanted to do, but often questioned why i did them -- so that i could see my motives. (god, now that I have motives, I wish I could go back easily!) Any school that offered synclavier programming as a composition course couldn't insist on all DWMs. I know that Dan Haerle in the Jazz Dept back there is teaching pretty full-scale courses in MIDI... but I doubt if they've written a book on the turntable yet! Besides, the first step in breaking all the rules is knowing them. BTW, this is IMFA exactly the kind of stuff we oughta be talking about -- how to use this stuff for the purposes of good, not evil... kb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 15:52:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09759; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:51:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:51:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001031205018.8763.qmail@web6301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:50:18 -0800 (PST) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: Re: DL4 question (next question) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are you familiar with the digitech pds 8000 or digitech time machines? I love the way they are set up to operate. Does the Dl4 work similarly? Allen --- Steve Lawson wrote: > > I remember a while back someone posted > something about there being > different > > operating versions in the hardware of the DL4 > (help me out, I'm struggling > > this early in the morning :-). There was an > early version that had some > > kind of bug in it that was resolved in a > later version of the unit. I > > searched the archives but couldn't come up > with any more information on > > this, but I know I had done the test > previously and found that I do have > one > > of the older models. If anyone knows what > I'm talking about here (a > > challenge in itself I know) could they send > me the info on what the fix is > > so I can contact Line 6 about it. I checked > with them a while back and > was > > told it wasn't really a problem but I'm not > so sure at this point (strange > > bugs in the unit make me question their > statements). > > I can't answer your question, but have just got > one of these and am amazed > that nowhere in the literature that I've seen > is it being sold as a 28 > second sampler, which is what it is! In 'slow' > mode, which you can choose > before you start recording, you can record up > to 28 seconds of stuff, which > is not far off JamMan spec (my other looping > tool) - 14 was sounding a bit > crap, 28, with the option to reverse it and > sending it up into mickey mouse > territory is much better! :o) > > Steve > web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk > e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk > mailing list - > steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com > > ***solo gig in London on Nov 17th - see > web-site for details*** > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 19:33:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14125; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:31:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:31:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <9e.b97f99e.2730be24@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:30:28 EST Subject: Re: DL4 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/31/00 12:54:23 PM, billowhead@hotmail.com writes: << There was an early version that had some kind of bug in it that was resolved in a later version of the unit. I searched the archives but couldn't come up with any more information on this,...>> I'm also curious about this. I've got one of the originals and recently added a second to my pedal board and haven't noticed any difference between the two - I also never experienced any "bugs" in the older one. I use them mainly in "loop" mode so maybe the buggyness is in one of the delay models??? <> What's the "test", what's the "fix" if you fail the "test", and what are the consequences of not fixing the condition that caused the failure of the test :)? - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 19:41:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14324; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:40:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:40:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "David O" To: Subject: RE: pedal recommendations Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:39:33 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c0439c$4367a900$6404c9cd@oleniacz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <39FEA522.49630C73@cloud9.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Elby The PMC-10 can send two midi strings per pedal, not two program changes. Each midi strings can have a huge number of program changes, up to available memory (which is about 29K bytes). But you can have more than just program changes in the midi strings. You can program note on/off messages and trigger entire chords with one pedal. If you wanted, you can program a PMC-10 pedal up upload an entire sysex dump of whatever synths you were using. The external device jack will allow you to control non-midi devices (channel switching, start/stop, etc) anything that uses a switch to activate. The only other thing that beats the PMC-10 is the Rocktron All Access pedal. DavidO -----Original Message----- From: Mountain Man [mailto:mtman@cloud9.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 5:56 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: pedal recommendations Hi folks, I'm looking at buying a set of midi pedals to be used for controlling a looper (when I get one), and also for doing things like sending sets of program change messages to my different synths, continuous controller messages from one or more expression pedals, and ... oh yes, the appropriate commands to a looper ! I'd really like a programmable unit that will allow multiple program changes on different midi channels with each button press. >From reading the specs of a number of pedals (some of which have *very* little info online), it looks to me like the Rocktron Midi Mate might be my best bet. It allows for 5 simultaneous program changes per button. Although the PMC10 is highly touted here, it looks to me like I'm only going to get 2 per button. Anyone have experience with the Rocktron for controlling loopers? Any word from the folks at Electrix about how this will work with the repeater ? Any input that will help in making this decision much appreciated :) Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 20:24:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14949; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:23:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:23:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c043a2$2acb3fa0$09da4dd5@Win98> Reply-To: "hefi" From: "hefi" To: Subject: Unsuscribe Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 02:22:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C043AA.8B278C20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <8GaD7D.A.ZpD.GC3_5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C043AA.8B278C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unsuscribe Will join again at a later time. 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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C043AA.8B278C20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 20:34:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15119; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:32:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:32:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9e.b97f99e.2730be24@aol.com> References: <9e.b97f99e.2730be24@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:30:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: DL4 question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >In a message dated 10/31/00 12:54:23 PM, billowhead@hotmail.com writes: > ><< There was an early version that had some >kind of bug in it that was resolved in a later version of the unit. I >searched the archives but couldn't come up with any more information on >this,...>> > >I'm also curious about this. I've got one of the originals and recently >added a second to my pedal board and haven't noticed any difference between >the two - I also never experienced any "bugs" in the older one. I use them >mainly in "loop" mode so maybe the buggyness is in one of the delay models??? > ><of the older models. >> > >What's the "test", what's the "fix" if you fail the "test", and what are the >consequences of not fixing the condition that caused the failure of the test >:)? - Paul The test is by holding down some combinations of the buttons, but i don't remember which ones (the led's will light up in a sequence that tells you which version of the software you have). support@line6.com should be able to help you out. There really aren't any major bugs, or anything. i was working on an experiment with the expression pedal, and my unit was acting differently than George Van Wagner, who was helping me out. So, he got me in touch with somebody in support and they just swapped out my unit for a newer one. It still acted the same way regarding the expression pedal, so perhaps i was just a recipient of really good 'customer service', rather than there being bugs in the units that needed to be fixed. rich ps. been doing some fun stuff with the 'multi-head' delay. turn down the volume of whatever your input is, bring up the feedback until it's all the way up. Turn the speed to the fastest, and the delay starts to self-oscillate. By playing with the speed and mix really slowly, you can get these nice, wierd swells that you can either gently detune with the speed, or crash and burn if you yank the speed down hard. if it gets unruly, just back the mix off. very nice if you post-process it too. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 21:02:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15817; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:01:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:01:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02b601c0440b$d4006aa0$99dee2c1@absolute> From: "Adam Davidson" To: References: <000601c0439c$4367a900$6404c9cd@oleniacz> Subject: Rocktron Wah Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:58:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey! anyone know how is it possible to control the WAH effect on the Rocktron Voodu Valve? is it done via MIDI or a special footpedal required? thanks, a/d From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 21:49:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16592; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:48:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:48:50 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "David O" To: Subject: Ibanez EPP400 Effect Patching Programmer available on EBAY Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:47:27 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c043ae$16cedc80$6404c9cd@oleniacz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopers Get your guitar or keyboard effects organized with this very powerful unit! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=485883852 Ibanez EPP-400 Effect Patching Programmer 2 inputs, 2 outputs, 5 effects loops, 1 sub output 128 separate programmable patches Within each patch program you have: effect on/off, effect order, input assign, output assign, sub output assign. 8-digit, 7-LED readout displays all important functions. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 22:51:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18060; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 22:50:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 22:50:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20001101034930.95794.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:49:30 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: DL4 question-the bug identified To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From the archives..... http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200001/msg00219.html I was in on the initial group buy. Mine does the same thing. John --- "K. Michael Odnaloc" wrote: > I remember a while back someone posted something > about there being different > operating versions in the hardware of the DL4 (help > me out, I'm struggling > this early in the morning :-). There was an early > version that had some > kind of bug in it that was resolved in a later > version of the unit. I > searched the archives but couldn't come up with any > more information on > this, but I know I had done the test previously and > found that I do have one > of the older models. If anyone knows what I'm > talking about here (a > challenge in itself I know) could they send me the > info on what the fix is > so I can contact Line 6 about it. I checked with > them a while back and was > told it wasn't really a problem but I'm not so sure > at this point (strange > bugs in the unit make me question their statements). > > Thanks > > Kevin ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 23:22:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19063; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:20:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:20:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001031231721.00a98840@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:17:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: andre Subject: Joni touring.....Yes...due to VG 8 In-Reply-To: <200010311731.MAA04217@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK... i'll un-cloak... probably only to incur more wrath by defending someone else's right to use, enjoy and be inspired by some random gear.... Disclaimer : i don't own a VG8 - probably won't unless one wanders by for $200 used... >From: "Dennis Leas" >Thanks for the rant! >I know what you mean. I used to receive the Roland propaganda magazine that >they send for free (free? I mean "whose cost is added to their products"). Let's be fair...You can get that free mag - as wel as the PEAVEY one, the KORG one, etc.. in most music stores ... with out EVER buying a PICK !!!! >A few years back, I read with true disgust an article that touted the >importance of some new thing (a guitar controller or something) it was the roland VG 8. Idiots like vernon reid, pat metheny and metallica's kirk hmmet use 'em. AS you know - they all sound exactly alike. >claimed "saved Joni Mitchell." According to the article, she was ready to >chuck it all, give up on music [GASP!!], etc. but she was SAVED BY ROLAND!! >And I could be saved too! All it took was buying a new doo-dad from Roland. >Alleluia!!! Just crucify me on my credit card!!!! > >Ever since, the Roland magazine goes directly from the mailbox to the trash. > hmm, yes... you don't wanna be saddled with.... information that's free...... and 'to the trash' ??? -- Bummer... i'd humbly recommend RECYCLING (actually a form of LOOPING... with wood pulp as the input!!!) >I don't mind finding out about good products. If they said, "We have a new >product we think you might like. It does X. It does Y. It's useful for Z. >" But instead they say, "Your life will be meaningless without our new >product. Only we have the way to true enlightment. i know you're kidding here.. but .. i actually LAUGH when i read the stuff in ther - yes - 'cos of how self-important it is. But man, ya gotta row a filter for that kinda stuff... at the end of the article... i come away at least with a bit of knowledge about how the device works, what they tried to do.. any version improvements etc.... Whew. It's just amazing the inconsequential stuff we get riled about.... ARen't there companies making any products that are more useless than Roand to pick on?? I think they've made some excellent gear...and soo much stuff has held up so well for a long time. It's road ready shit. So what - they have a self-aggrandizing piece of crap ad-mag . Bottom line is -- you can get some specs, and an idea of what is available. period. don't stress, man.... >>>In particular, the tone of the article was, "The world would have been deprived of Joni >Mitchell's further work if she hadn't bought one of these." So it's hard for me to take their ads >>>seriously. Actually....they made it clear that she was NOT INTERESTED IN EVER TOURING AGAIN due to th fact that her poor tech, when she DID play a few sparse shows in the 90s... had to maintain 20-24 guitars!!!!!! SO- she opted to just make records. HAving tried a VG 8 out (reluctantly) > >But maybe I'm exaggerating. :D > >Dennis Leas >------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com >Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:18:59 EST >From: Texture444@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >ms, >>dt, this is genius, it's bound to call a halt to this madness >not at all *my* intention! >best, >dt >Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:31:15 -0800 >From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) >Message-Id: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >>In a message dated 10/31/2000 6:43:50 AM Central Standard Time, torn scrawled: >> >>> or, maybe music educators will learn to stay closer apace w/'culture >>> curves', >>> & begin teaching turntablism (! & looping !) in schools..... >>> >> >>for this to happen, music education graduates would have to learn it... and >>colleges would have to teach it... and people who have learned it would have >>to be willing to actually BE teachers. >> >>anyone? > >Given my experience in music education, the only way this wil happen in >music academia is for the artists top turn white, die, and stay that way >for a century or two. > >____________________________________________ >Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org >Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic >Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- >____________________________________________ > NEXT GIG: Zappa Tribute -- the SAINT - asbury park - this SUN 10 /29!!! early 9pm show -- A Night of FRANK ZAPPA's MUSIC !!!!! http://www.thesaintnj.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 23:56:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19817; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:55:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:55:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <381631276.973054491791.JavaMail.root@web349-mc> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:54:51 -0500 (EST) From: Ben Porter To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT rant from hell (was: AirFX) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 216.78.190.90 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------Original Message------ >....I forget which way it goes- if they sink.. or is it if they >float? Shit- >let's jes stone him instead! Damn Wicca Hippies in our >midst!! ;) No, no, no. It's if they weigh less than a duck. Ben Porter. "She turned me into a newt!" "I got better." ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup