From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 04:03:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10353; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 04:02:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 04:02:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.totalise.co.uk; Fri, 1 Sep 00 09:00:11 +0100 X-WebMail-UserID: charlestyrer Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:00:11 +0100 Sender: Charles Tyrer From: Charles Tyrer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-EXP32-SerialNo: 50000112 Subject: unsub Message-ID: <3B2CA8CF@mail.totalise.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.61.01 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i want to fuckin unsubscribe you sad bastards >===== Original Message From Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ===== >Sounds cool, and like you'll fit right >in here. Welcome! > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ryan D. Supak >[mailto:rdsupak@hoover-keith.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 5:21 PM >> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: a new user >> >> >> hi, im new to the list. i used to play real 8> >instruments, but now i >> just use samplers. (sometimes i still play >real 8} instruments as an >> emergency replacement for friends.) >> >> i use (2x)SP-808 by Roland. it's "technically" >not a "true" >> looper, but >> if you use two of them strung together with a >scratch mixer, your rig >> becomes a "true" looper by Looper's Delight >standards. >> >> im primarily involved in live improv with >people who play real 8] >> instruments. i run around with a microphone and >sample them, >> then i run >> back to my DJ coffin and do things to the >sounds, and spit them back >> out. i also do "raves". i tell the bookers >i'm a DJ >8]. >> >> just wanted to say "hi", (hopefully it didnt >bother anyone), >> and to say >> i hope i can contribute something unique and >productive to the list in >> the future. >> >> r.s. >> (np: "It's a Man's, Man's, Man's World" - James >Brown) >> > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ Go to http://www.eurekar.com The motoring portal To become a member and a shareholder of our parent company visit http://www.totalise.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 04:13:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10688; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 04:12:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 04:12:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000901081150.25630.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 01:11:50 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: unsub To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are you learning impaired? --- Charles Tyrer wrote: > i want to fuckin unsubscribe you sad bastards ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 09:01:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12452; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:00:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:00:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 06:03:25 -0700 Subject: unsub From: Benjamin Furstenberg To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3050633005_9669533_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3050633005_9669533_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > i want to fuckin unsubscribe you sad bastards Does anyone hold a cherished place in their heart for this cartoonish court jester of this list, here to remind us of our hubris and human folly?... ...'cuz I don't. Did anyone do outreach work at some point to the "football hooligan community"? He is a noisy loop, himself, one that desperately *doesn't* want to be deleted. On the subject of looping, I've heard of people integrating the PEavey 1600x as some sort of step sequencer or loop controller...any leads, tips, dish on how to do it? cheeahs, Ben > From: Charles Tyrer > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:00:11 +0100 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: unsub > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 04:04:05 -0400 > > i want to fuckin unsubscribe you sad bastards > > > >> ===== Original Message From Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ===== >> Sounds cool, and like you'll fit right >> in here. Welcome! >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Ryan D. Supak >> [mailto:rdsupak@hoover-keith.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 5:21 PM >>> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: a new user >>> >>> >>> hi, im new to the list. i used to play real 8> >> instruments, but now i >>> just use samplers. (sometimes i still play >> real 8} instruments as an >>> emergency replacement for friends.) >>> >>> i use (2x)SP-808 by Roland. it's "technically" >> not a "true" >>> looper, but >>> if you use two of them strung together with a >> scratch mixer, your rig >>> becomes a "true" looper by Looper's Delight >> standards. >>> >>> im primarily involved in live improv with >> people who play real 8] >>> instruments. i run around with a microphone and >> sample them, >>> then i run >>> back to my DJ coffin and do things to the >> sounds, and spit them back >>> out. i also do "raves". i tell the bookers >> i'm a DJ >8]. >>> >>> just wanted to say "hi", (hopefully it didnt >> bother anyone), >>> and to say >>> i hope i can contribute something unique and >> productive to the list in >>> the future. >>> >>> r.s. >>> (np: "It's a Man's, Man's, Man's World" - James >> Brown) >>> --MS_Mac_OE_3050633005_9669533_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable unsub > i want to fuckin unsubscribe you sad bastards =

Does anyone hold a cherished place in their heart for this carto= onish court jester of this list, here to remind us of our hubris and human f= olly?...

   ...'cuz I don't.

Did anyone do outreach work at some point to the "football hooligan co= mmunity"?  He is a noisy loop, himself, one that desperately *does= n't* want to be deleted.

On the subject of looping, I've heard of people integrating the PEavey 1600= x as some sort of step sequencer or loop controller...any leads, tips, dish = on how to do it?
cheeahs, Ben


> From: Charles Tyrer <charlestyrer@totalise= .co.uk>
> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=
> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:00:11 +0100
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: unsub
> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.= com
> Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 04:04:05 -0400
>
> i want to fuckin unsubscribe you sad bastards
>
>
>
>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Original Message From Loopers-Delig= ht@loopers-delight.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>> Sounds cool, and like you'll fit right
>> in here.  Welcome!
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ryan D. Supak
>> [mailto:rdsupak@hoover-keith.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 5:21 PM
>>> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.c= om
>>> Subject: a new user
>>>
>>>
>>> hi, im new to the list.  i used to play real 8>
>> instruments, but now i
>>> just use samplers.  (sometimes i still play
>> real 8} instruments as an
>>> emergency replacement for friends.)
>>>
>>> i use (2x)SP-808 by Roland.  it's "technically"=
>> not a "true"
>>> looper, but
>>> if you use two of them strung together with a
>> scratch mixer, your rig
>>> becomes a "true" looper by Looper's Delight
>> standards.
>>>
>>> im primarily involved in live improv with
>> people who play real 8]
>>> instruments. i run around with a microphone and
>> sample them,
>>> then i run
>>> back to my DJ coffin and do things to the
>> sounds, and spit them back
>>> out.  i also do "raves".  i tell the booke= rs
>> i'm a DJ >8].
>>>
>>> just wanted to say "hi", (hopefully it didnt
>> bother anyone),
>>> and to say
>>> i hope i can contribute something unique and
>> productive to the list in
>>> the future.
>>>
>>> r.s.
>>> (np: "It's a Man's, Man's, Man's World" - James
>> Brown)
>>>
--MS_Mac_OE_3050633005_9669533_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 09:07:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12775; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:07:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:07:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003c01c01415$978ccdf0$a0a26099@izmmpc33.izm-m.fhg.de> Reply-To: "Rainer Straschill" From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: re Looping with synths Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:07:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01C01426.5AADB460" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C01426.5AADB460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, on the ongoing "looping with synths" discussion: has anyone of you = loopers used/made looping-related use of a Quasimidi Polymorph? loop ya, Rainer ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C01426.5AADB460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there,
 
on the ongoing "looping with = synths"=20 discussion: has anyone of you loopers used/made looping-related use of a = Quasimidi Polymorph?
 
loop ya,
 
          &nbs= p;=20 Rainer
------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C01426.5AADB460-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 09:19:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13132; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:18:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:18:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000901092307.007b07e0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 09:23:07 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: unsub In-Reply-To: <3B2CA8CF@mail.totalise.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:00 AM 9/1/00 +0100, an angry lobster wrote: >i want to fuckin unsubscribe you sad bastards Charles, you obtuse crustacean, It's really quite easy. Please read this CAREFULLY: The address to which you need to send your unsub message IS NOT the same as the one for the mailing list. That means if you do use the one for the mailing list, you will not only fail to achieve your goal of unsubscription, but you'll also be the brunt of ridicule and your name will be forever associated with the cries of gulls and the smell of melted butter... Here, read it for yourself (if you're capable) at In case that throws you, the address you want is Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com and your message must consist of the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body. That's it. It's even simpler than you appear to be. You don't need colorful adjectives describing a sex act nor witty comments on peoples' body weights or the marital status of our parents at the time of our respective conceptions; just spell "unsubscribe" correctly and send it to the right address. Before you reply, please re-read the instructions. Print them out if that will help. We "sad bastards" are merely trying to help you leave. BTW, Charles, what instrument do you play, if any? All those years of drummer jokes may have been misdirected... Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 09:50:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13765; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:50:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:50:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.totalise.co.uk; Fri, 1 Sep 00 14:48:00 +0100 X-WebMail-UserID: charlestyrer Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:48:00 +0100 Sender: Charles Tyrer From: Charles Tyrer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-EXP32-SerialNo: 50000112 Subject: RE: unsub Message-ID: <3B32A7C0@mail.totalise.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.61.01 Resent-Message-ID: <6FgHmD.A.rVD.SP7r5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am a pianist (grade 7 standard) and you ! >===== Original Message From Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ===== >At 09:00 AM 9/1/00 +0100, an angry lobster wrote: >>i want to fuckin unsubscribe you sad bastards > >Charles, you obtuse crustacean, > >It's really quite easy. Please read this CAREFULLY: > >The address to which you need to send your unsub message IS NOT the same as >the one for the mailing list. That means if you do use the one for the >mailing list, you will not only fail to achieve your goal of >unsubscription, but you'll also be the brunt of ridicule and your name will >be forever associated with the cries of gulls and the smell of melted >butter... > >Here, read it for yourself (if you're capable) at > > >In case that throws you, the address you want is >Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >and your message must consist of the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject >and body. That's it. It's even simpler than you appear to be. You don't >need colorful adjectives describing a sex act nor witty comments on >peoples' body weights or the marital status of our parents at the time of >our respective conceptions; just spell "unsubscribe" correctly and send it >to the right address. > >Before you reply, please re-read the instructions. Print them out if that >will help. We "sad bastards" are merely trying to help you leave. > >BTW, Charles, what instrument do you play, if any? All those years of >drummer jokes may have been misdirected... > >Tim Go to http://www.eurekar.com The motoring portal To become a member and a shareholder of our parent company visit http://www.totalise.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 09:56:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14087; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:56:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:56:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:35:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #276/UNSUBSCRIBE Message-ID: <20000901.094723.-229789.0.riknelisa@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-5 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: John R Rolski Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:24:32 -0400 Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: Please Unsubscribe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 10:15:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14639; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:15:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:15:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 15:14:43 +0100 Subject: OT: Any Klein users here? From: "Martin Shellard" To: Loopers Delight Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't intend to start a Klein thread but I'm planning to buy one of these guitars soon, I haven't played one or seen one I the flesh but it looks to be just what I want. Any Klein users wanting to sing the praises of their guitar or otherwise, please contact me directly so as not to clog the list. I'm particularly interested in the different bodywoods, Transtrem and acoustic chambers. Thanks in advance. Martin Shellard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 11:08:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15628; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:08:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:08:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.77.161.2] From: "space module" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Any Klein users here? Clog the List Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 10:07:36 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Sep 2000 15:07:36.0799 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D0056F0:01C01426] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please, clog the list. Anything has got to be better than the endless ridiculous OT unsubbing threads. Plus I want to hear more about why these guitars are so favored by many of the most talented guitarists/loopers... What makes them so special besides looking like the mutant offspring of a Steinberger and an Ovation Breadwinner. sm >From: "Martin Shellard" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers Delight >Subject: OT: Any Klein users here? >Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 15:14:43 +0100 > >I don't intend to start a Klein thread but I'm planning to buy one of these >guitars soon, I haven't played one or seen one I the flesh but it looks to >be just what I want. >Any Klein users wanting to sing the praises of their guitar or otherwise, >please contact me directly so as not to clog the list. >I'm particularly interested in the different bodywoods, Transtrem and >acoustic chambers. > >Thanks in advance. >Martin Shellard > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 11:19:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16071; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:16:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:16:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 08:03:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: unsub Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, Charles Tyrer seems to be a sad and bitter person, with a lack of understanding of how to get off this list. Following Kim's suggestion that we don't eat up bandwidth by replying to the list regarding someone like Charles, I decided to mail directly to Charles with the following message. I will post this to the list only to encourage that you all do the same, if that is proper etiquette (oh, screw etiquette). Mail him yourself and flood his mailbox with complaints. He's been badgering us, so can we return the favor? Charles' address is: Charles Tyrer < > > Charles, What is your problem? You have obviously been given instructions on how to properly unsubscribe from the Looper's Delight list. And yet you continue to send mail to the regular list and berate us. This is your problem, dude, not ours. No one here has trapped you into anything you can't get out of. Someone (either you or someone who has access to your computer) signed up for this list somehow...now get off of it on your own power, ok? All of the subscribers actually WANT to be here. No one wants an unhappy, bitter person like yourself to participate. If this is some sort of hobby of yours, to send us inflammatory mails, then just grow up. We happen to be a large collective of both professional and amateur musicians/dj's/producers/engineers, etc. that find some sort of fascination with the tools and philosophy of Looping. If you think that's stupid and sad, so be it. But i'm sure there's something you enjoy and hold precious that we could stomp all over for our entertainment value. But we don't because that's your perogative to be into anything you like. Golden Rule kindof thing here...Get It? Goodbye and best of luck in the future, Rich Atkinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 11:21:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16075; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:16:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:16:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005101c01426$e22a2720$7fadfc3f@default> Reply-To: "LARRY M FEINSTEIN" From: "LARRY M FEINSTEIN" To: Subject: Re: I'm new here Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:11:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01C01405.595C7F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C01405.595C7F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sounds great....if you're ever in ohio and want to jam with a drummer = and a guitar player give me a call. -----Original Message----- From: Elias Faingersh To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, August 31, 2000 4:38 PM Subject: I'm new here =20 =20 =20 I'm new here, just wonted to say hi to every one....HI! =20 I play trombone, alone.. work a lot with 2 uppdated Jammans, Lexicon MPX 100 and MPX1. I give mostly solo recetales, after 10 years playing with a symphony = orcestra playng alone is a PRADISE!!!=20 This sommer though I did about 30 gigs with two other guys, guitar and drumms. It worked really well. =20 Have a good one every one. =20 Elias Faingersh =20 http://home.swipnet.se/faingersh/ =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C01405.595C7F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
sounds great....if you're ever in = ohio and want=20 to jam with a drummer and a guitar player give me a call.
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Elias Faingersh <elias@mbox306.swipnet.se>=
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com=20 <Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com>
Date:=20 Thursday, August 31, 2000 4:38 PM
Subject: I'm new=20 here

 
I'm new here, just wonted to say hi to every=20 one....HI!
 
I play trombone, alone..
work a lot with 2 uppdated Jammans, Lexicon MPX = 100 and=20 MPX1.
I give mostly solo recetales, after 10 years=20 playing with a symphony orcestra playng alone is a=20 PRADISE!!! 
This sommer though I did about 30 gigs with two = other=20 guys,
guitar and drumms. It worked really = well.
 
Have a good one every one.
 
Elias Faingersh
 
http://home.swipnet.se/fainger= sh/
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C01405.595C7F40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 11:24:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16662; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:23:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:23:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 08:11:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Peavey 1600x Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What is the Peavey 1600x? tell me more, please? any URL's to check out? seeya, rich > > On the subject of looping, I've heard of people integrating the PEavey 1600x as some sort of step sequencer or loop controller...any leads, tips, dish on how to do it? cheeahs, Ben From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 11:42:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17130; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:40:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:40:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.76.82.65] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Any Klein users here? Clog the List Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 11:39:37 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Sep 2000 15:39:37.0673 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5EE7390:01C0142A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While you guys are at it, I've love to hear any commentary on the K-bass. Paolo >Please, clog the list. Anything has got to be better than the endless >ridiculous OT unsubbing threads. Plus I want to hear more about why these >guitars are so favored by many of the most talented guitarists/loopers... >What makes them so special besides looking like the mutant offspring of a >Steinberger and an Ovation Breadwinner. > >sm > >>From: "Martin Shellard" >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: Loopers Delight >>Subject: OT: Any Klein users here? >>Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 15:14:43 +0100 >> >>I don't intend to start a Klein thread but I'm planning to buy one of >>these >>guitars soon, I haven't played one or seen one I the flesh but it looks to >>be just what I want. >>Any Klein users wanting to sing the praises of their guitar or otherwise, >>please contact me directly so as not to clog the list. >>I'm particularly interested in the different bodywoods, Transtrem and >>acoustic chambers. >> >>Thanks in advance. >>Martin Shellard >> > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 11:48:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17475; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:46:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:46:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 10:48:59 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: OT: Any Klein users here? Clog the List To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02fa01c0142c$24e64080$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com me too ----- Original Message ----- From: "space module" To: Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 10:07 AM Subject: Re: OT: Any Klein users here? Clog the List > Please, clog the list. Anything has got to be better than the endless > ridiculous OT unsubbing threads. Plus I want to hear more about why these > guitars are so favored by many of the most talented guitarists/loopers... > What makes them so special besides looking like the mutant offspring of a > Steinberger and an Ovation Breadwinner. > > sm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 11:49:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17762; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:48:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:48:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.13.2.20000901104647.01df9a10@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.0.13 (Beta) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 10:47:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Peavey 1600x In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <495bs.A.1UE.A_8r5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich (10:11 AM 09.01.2000) wrote: >What is the Peavey 1600x? tell me more, please? >any URL's to check out? It's something that everyone should have at least one of... If you can find them. :) This is Dan Nigrin's PC-1600 site which has a ton of info on it: http://www.defectiverecords.com/pc1600/pc1600.html Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 12:17:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18667; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:17:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:17:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 12:16:02 EDT Subject: Klein-clogging 1 To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, this was my response << I got mine in Oct 1997. Swamp ash, chambered, standard trem, Joe Barden pickups. The TransTrem I liked less: it has less sustain, doesn't work that great IMJ, and the tone is a little poorer for it. Get the chambered body, it's full of many different tones. I will never need another solid-body guitar. This one goes on every gig. It DOES change the way I play, like the promo says. Lorenzo German is a beautiful cat as well. Mine is right now in his hands: needs some fret dressing. (I've played this 3-6 days per week for 3 years now.) All normal work is free. I'd buy another one, but why? This is the best axe I've ever played. I can't understand why you don't see more of them around, except that Lorenzo won't give them away to potential endorsers. Torn, Frisell, Henry Kaiser: they all had to pay for theirs. It's worth every penny. When I shipped mine to Klein this week I over-insured it, and I'd much rather have the guitar back than a check for $4K from FedEx should they break it. Call Lorenzo German at Klein. You won't regret it for a second. Does that help? Kevin (see mine at http://members.aol.com/redroadtheband or members.aol.com/kb305/kb305 and go the page labeled 'g' >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 12:17:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18663; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:17:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:17:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 12:16:04 EDT Subject: Klein-clogging 1 To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <75.91e19a0.26e13045@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, this was my response << I got mine in Oct 1997. Swamp ash, chambered, standard trem, Joe Barden pickups. The TransTrem I liked less: it has less sustain, doesn't work that great IMJ, and the tone is a little poorer for it. Get the chambered body, it's full of many different tones. I will never need another solid-body guitar. This one goes on every gig. It DOES change the way I play, like the promo says. Lorenzo German is a beautiful cat as well. Mine is right now in his hands: needs some fret dressing. (I've played this 3-6 days per week for 3 years now.) All normal work is free. I'd buy another one, but why? This is the best axe I've ever played. I can't understand why you don't see more of them around, except that Lorenzo won't give them away to potential endorsers. Torn, Frisell, Henry Kaiser: they all had to pay for theirs. It's worth every penny. When I shipped mine to Klein this week I over-insured it, and I'd much rather have the guitar back than a check for $4K from FedEx should they break it. Call Lorenzo German at Klein. You won't regret it for a second. Does that help? Kevin (see mine at http://members.aol.com/redroadtheband or members.aol.com/kb305/kb305 and go the page labeled 'g' >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 12:17:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18678; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:17:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:17:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 12:15:59 EDT Subject: Klein-clogging 1 To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, this was my response << I got mine in Oct 1997. Swamp ash, chambered, standard trem, Joe Barden pickups. The TransTrem I liked less: it has less sustain, doesn't work that great IMJ, and the tone is a little poorer for it. Get the chambered body, it's full of many different tones. I will never need another solid-body guitar. This one goes on every gig. It DOES change the way I play, like the promo says. Lorenzo German is a beautiful cat as well. Mine is right now in his hands: needs some fret dressing. (I've played this 3-6 days per week for 3 years now.) All normal work is free. I'd buy another one, but why? This is the best axe I've ever played. I can't understand why you don't see more of them around, except that Lorenzo won't give them away to potential endorsers. Torn, Frisell, Henry Kaiser: they all had to pay for theirs. It's worth every penny. When I shipped mine to Klein this week I over-insured it, and I'd much rather have the guitar back than a check for $4K from FedEx should they break it. Call Lorenzo German at Klein. You won't regret it for a second. Does that help? Kevin (see mine at http://members.aol.com/redroadtheband or members.aol.com/kb305/kb305 and go the page labeled 'g' >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 12:44:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19897; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:43:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:43:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: unsub Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:46:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3B32A7C0@mail.totalise.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, I can play 7th grade piano. I can play chopsticks, and the Camptown Ladies and beginning of that symphony thing, of which I forget the name. bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. -----Original Message----- From: Charles Tyrer [mailto:charlestyrer@totalise.co.uk] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 6:48 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: unsub I am a pianist (grade 7 standard) and you ! >===== Original Message From Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ===== >At 09:00 AM 9/1/00 +0100, an angry lobster wrote: >>i want to fuckin unsubscribe you sad bastards > >Charles, you obtuse crustacean, > >It's really quite easy. Please read this CAREFULLY: > >The address to which you need to send your unsub message IS NOT the same as >the one for the mailing list. That means if you do use the one for the >mailing list, you will not only fail to achieve your goal of >unsubscription, but you'll also be the brunt of ridicule and your name will >be forever associated with the cries of gulls and the smell of melted >butter... > >Here, read it for yourself (if you're capable) at > > >In case that throws you, the address you want is >Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >and your message must consist of the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject >and body. That's it. It's even simpler than you appear to be. You don't >need colorful adjectives describing a sex act nor witty comments on >peoples' body weights or the marital status of our parents at the time of >our respective conceptions; just spell "unsubscribe" correctly and send it >to the right address. > >Before you reply, please re-read the instructions. Print them out if that >will help. We "sad bastards" are merely trying to help you leave. > >BTW, Charles, what instrument do you play, if any? All those years of >drummer jokes may have been misdirected... > >Tim Go to http://www.eurekar.com The motoring portal To become a member and a shareholder of our parent company visit http://www.totalise.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 12:56:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20278; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:55:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:55:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000901130056.007b11a0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 13:00:56 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: unsub In-Reply-To: <3B32A7C0@mail.totalise.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:48 PM 9/1/00 +0100, you wrote: >I am a pianist (grade 7 standard) and you ! Grade 7? That's cause for pianist-envy... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 13:18:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20861; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:17:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:17:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c01438$d2309fe0$8f926fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <200009011508.LAA15681@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re:Unsubscribe! Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:18:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i want to fuckin unsubscribe you sad bastards Charles, dear Charles, You have the manners of a primate. You are a person for whom the lowliest insult is merely a more or less accurate description. You have insulted myself and other list members whose individual intellects and funds of knowledge you could never aspire to. You are, in short, a snivelling, worthless, ignorant piece of canine excrement. Kindly follow the SIMPLE instructions communicated to you previously or if you 're unable to concentrate for long enough, ask an ADULT to help, (assuming anyone would want to) and begone, you wretched, wretched child. Best wishes, Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 13:56:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21690; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:56:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:56:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016001c0143e$94c5e920$a37a79a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Re:Unsubscribe!/ EDP Undo function Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:00:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lol- This will be a bit off topic but here goes- I want to know if anyone on the list is using a GadgetLabs 824 or MOTU system on their PC- I hear mixed opinions as to having converters on the card in the box being affected by rf noise and it is better to have them outside as in the MOTU- obviously the MOTU is a better choice but at $1000 versus $500 for the GadgetLabs it may come down to budget restraints- If anyone has insight or opinion on PC audio interfaces (24/48 or better only) please let me know- Maybe off list would be better- Actually, to be ON topic- how exactly do you undo on the EDP? I get lost as after I overdub it seems to take numerous presses of the undo at precisely the start point to clear what I want to clear- which inevitably leads me to just press undo like MAD until it is all gone- not good- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: whiteoakstudios To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Friday, September 01, 2000 10:21 AM Subject: Re:Unsubscribe! > > > >> i want to fuckin unsubscribe you sad bastards > >Charles, dear Charles, >You have the manners of a primate. You are a person for whom the lowliest >insult is merely a more or less accurate description. >You have insulted myself and other list members whose individual intellects >and funds of knowledge you could never aspire to. You are, in short, a >snivelling, worthless, ignorant piece of canine excrement. Kindly follow the >SIMPLE instructions communicated to you previously or if you 're unable to >concentrate for long enough, ask an ADULT to help, (assuming anyone would >want to) and begone, you wretched, wretched child. > >Best wishes, > >Gareth > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 14:03:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22060; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:02:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:02:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Ben Sharp To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Unsubscribe! Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:59:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just a thought, but has anyone considered that this kind of person is actually fishing for responses like this? It does qualify in a sick kind of way as "attention"... $0.02 -Ben Sharp -----Original Message----- From: whiteoakstudios [mailto:whiteoakstudios@supanet.com] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 10:19 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Unsubscribe! > i want to fuckin unsubscribe you sad bastards Charles, dear Charles, You have the manners of a primate. You are a person for whom the lowliest insult is merely a more or less accurate description. You have insulted myself and other list members whose individual intellects and funds of knowledge you could never aspire to. You are, in short, a snivelling, worthless, ignorant piece of canine excrement. Kindly follow the SIMPLE instructions communicated to you previously or if you 're unable to concentrate for long enough, ask an ADULT to help, (assuming anyone would want to) and begone, you wretched, wretched child. Best wishes, Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 14:08:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22379; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:08:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:08:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016a01c01440$62ef8260$a37a79a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Unsubscribe! Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:13:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My suggestion- follow Kim's advice- ignore. Period. We are not in IRC - there are no kick/bans and a flame will only get hotter if you fan it- no matter how clever you wave. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Ben Sharp To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Date: Friday, September 01, 2000 11:05 AM Subject: RE: Unsubscribe! >Just a thought, but has anyone considered that this kind of person is >actually fishing for responses like this? It does qualify in >a sick kind of way as "attention"... > >$0.02 >-Ben Sharp > >-----Original Message----- >From: whiteoakstudios [mailto:whiteoakstudios@supanet.com] >Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 10:19 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re:Unsubscribe! > > > > > >> i want to fuckin unsubscribe you sad bastards > >Charles, dear Charles, >You have the manners of a primate. You are a person for whom the lowliest >insult is merely a more or less accurate description. >You have insulted myself and other list members whose individual intellects >and funds of knowledge you could never aspire to. You are, in short, a >snivelling, worthless, ignorant piece of canine excrement. Kindly follow the >SIMPLE instructions communicated to you previously or if you 're unable to >concentrate for long enough, ask an ADULT to help, (assuming anyone would >want to) and begone, you wretched, wretched child. > >Best wishes, > >Gareth > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 14:13:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22699; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:12:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:12:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018301c01440$f4b774a0$a37a79a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Re:Unsubscribe! Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:17:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <_1mv2.A.phF.hF_r5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I must admit I do get a laugh from responses like this- :) Cliff -----Original Message----- From: whiteoakstudios To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Friday, September 01, 2000 10:21 AM Subject: Re:Unsubscribe! > > > >> i want to fuckin unsubscribe you sad bastards > >Charles, dear Charles, >You have the manners of a primate. You are a person for whom the lowliest >insult is merely a more or less accurate description. >You have insulted myself and other list members whose individual intellects >and funds of knowledge you could never aspire to. You are, in short, a >snivelling, worthless, ignorant piece of canine excrement. Kindly follow the >SIMPLE instructions communicated to you previously or if you 're unable to >concentrate for long enough, ask an ADULT to help, (assuming anyone would >want to) and begone, you wretched, wretched child. > >Best wishes, > >Gareth > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 14:16:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22987; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:16:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:16:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Phaedebk@aol.com Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 14:14:24 EDT Subject: Re: Re:Unsubscribe!/ EDP Undo function To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: <4jc4tB.A.dmF.sI_r5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cliff, Hey man, this is just a quick answer to your question. I've got the MOTU system and am really digging it. Was originally going to play with the Gadget Labs beastie but I kept hearing about issues in production similiar to Crystal Labs Sound Cards, so I went with the MOTU system instead. Aparently the one majour difference betwixt the MOTU and everyone else is that the MOTU uses an outboard box to route the info from your PC to the ADAT rather than having to reconfigure the wiring when you're wanting to go from the computer to the ADAT banks. Outside of being stuck using Win98 or 95 for MOTU, and having quite a bit more flexibility with the Event and Gadget Labs cards are other things to consider, too... ;) Still learning the EDP, myself, and boy does it get finicky over what is a long press vs. a quick press... More practice... L8r on, Lee From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 14:48:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23620; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:48:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:48:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01c001c01445$baa2bc20$a37a79a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Re:Unsubscribe!/ EDP Undo function Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:49:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks- if only MIDI was good in Win2k- it is soooo much better than Win98 in most every other way- especially memory management- too bad MOTU wont do Win2k- that's too bad- could have used it for audio only things and dsp/dx plugs. I am drawn to Gadget as they have GREAT support- I don't even own one and they respond to questions quickly- that is worth a lot to me but the 824 is pretty basic compared to the MOTU system- Happy trails with your EDP- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Phaedebk@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Friday, September 01, 2000 11:19 AM Subject: Re: Re:Unsubscribe!/ EDP Undo function >Cliff, > >Hey man, this is just a quick answer to your question. I've got the MOTU system and am really digging it. Was originally going to play with the Gadget Labs beastie but I kept hearing about issues in production similiar to Crystal Labs Sound Cards, so I went with the MOTU system instead. Aparently the one majour difference betwixt the MOTU and everyone else is that the MOTU uses an outboard box to route the info from your PC to the ADAT rather than having to reconfigure the wiring when you're wanting to go from the computer to the ADAT banks. >Outside of being stuck using Win98 or 95 for MOTU, and having quite a bit more flexibility with the Event and Gadget Labs cards are other things to consider, too... ;) > >Still learning the EDP, myself, and boy does it get finicky over what is a long press vs. a quick press... More practice... > >L8r on, > > >Lee > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 15:06:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24353; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:05:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:05:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39AFFCA1.50FED536@flash.net> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 13:59:45 -0500 From: Steven Ray Gilbert Reply-To: treblig@flash.net X-Sender: "Steven Ray Gilbert" <@mail.flash.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-FLASHNET (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Unsubscribe! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The general tone of exchanges here is not one of sadness. I would say we are all pretty happy bastards. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 15:35:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25624; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:34:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:34:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000901193245.7112.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:32:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: long press vs. short press To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Phaedebk@aol.com wrote: > > Still learning the EDP, myself, and boy does it get finicky over what > is a long press vs. a quick press... More practice... > L8r on, > Lee Lee, What do you find finicky on the long vs. short press? What are the functions you are trying to use when you have a problem? I have not noticed anything finicky regarding long/short press with my echoplexii. bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 16:50:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27680; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:50:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:50:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000901154813.008084f0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 15:48:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Echoplex - How Do I? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm on a learning curve with the Echoplex - a wonderful instrument. I want to create a soundscape in Loop #1 and Loop Copy it to Loop #2 where I will add a rhythm. The problem is that I press Next Loop and wait for Loop #1 to cycle through before Loop #2 begins recording - that's OK I suppose. Since Loop #1 is a soundscape with no rhythm or click track, I'm late with my rhythm track when Loop #2 is activated and recording - thus creating a dead space. So, I begin playing in Loop #2, then stop recording and let Loop #2 cycle through. At the beginning of Loop #2 is the dead space, which makes the chord progression too erratic, rhythmically. I want to hit some button/switch and immediately begin the Loop Copy and Recording process in Loop #2. Can I do that? Thanks, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 16:52:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27813; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:51:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:51:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Unsubscribe! Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:55:18 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-reply-to: <016a01c01440$62ef8260$a37a79a5@cliff> Resent-Message-ID: <_K8hb.A.6xG.-aBs5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >and a flame will only get hotter if you fan it- no >matter how clever you wave. Oh yeah? Well, obviously, you don't know how clever I can get. I'm sucking in my breath to let out the cleverest quip the world has yet seen and send all lobster scurrying back under their rocks. If that doesn't work, in the words of Grandpa Simpson, "I'm going to give them the frowning of a lifetime." bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. -----Original Message----- From: Clifford@BienAppraisers [mailto:bienappraisers@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 11:14 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Unsubscribe! My suggestion- follow Kim's advice- ignore. Period. We are not in IRC - there are no kick/bans Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Ben Sharp To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Date: Friday, September 01, 2000 11:05 AM Subject: RE: Unsubscribe! >Just a thought, but has anyone considered that this kind of person is >actually fishing for responses like this? It does qualify in >a sick kind of way as "attention"... > >$0.02 >-Ben Sharp > >-----Original Message----- >From: whiteoakstudios [mailto:whiteoakstudios@supanet.com] >Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 10:19 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re:Unsubscribe! > > > > > >> i want to fuckin unsubscribe you sad bastards > >Charles, dear Charles, >You have the manners of a primate. You are a person for whom the lowliest >insult is merely a more or less accurate description. >You have insulted myself and other list members whose individual intellects >and funds of knowledge you could never aspire to. You are, in short, a >snivelling, worthless, ignorant piece of canine excrement. Kindly follow the >SIMPLE instructions communicated to you previously or if you 're unable to >concentrate for long enough, ask an ADULT to help, (assuming anyone would >want to) and begone, you wretched, wretched child. > >Best wishes, > >Gareth > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 16:53:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27940; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:53:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:53:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d401c01456$8fd4ba00$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <39AFFCA1.50FED536@flash.net> Subject: Re: Unsubscribe! Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:52:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Ray Gilbert" To: Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 2:59 PM Subject: Re: Unsubscribe! > > > The general tone of exchanges here is not one of sadness. I would say we > are all pretty happy bastards. Yes, we are. And I'm a lot happier having just added Charles Tyrer's address to my "Blocked Senders" list. I mean, I only e-mailed him instructions on how to unsubscribe twice! Yeesh. Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 16:59:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28555; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:58:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:58:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39B019EB.6CBD@hevanet.com.> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 14:04:43 -0700 From: david auker X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex - How Do I? References: <3.0.3.32.20000901154813.008084f0@mail.airmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Micheal, Perhaps "StartPoint" (P. 4-72 EDP User's guide) could help? I would go ahead and record in Loop #2, starting wherever, then listen to it, and select where it now sounds like its beginning is?? ||: David :|| ---------- Michael Clark wrote: ... I'm late with my rhythm track > when Loop #2 is activated and recording - thus creating a dead space. So, > I begin playing in Loop #2, then stop recording and let Loop #2 cycle > through. At the beginning of Loop #2 is the dead space, which makes the > chord progression too erratic, rhythmically. I want to hit some > button/switch and immediately begin the Loop Copy and Recording process in > Loop #2. Can I do that? > > Thanks, > > Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 17:49:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29438; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:49:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:49:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39B09DF2.D4BC1E19@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 23:28:02 -0700 From: claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex - How Do I? References: <3.0.3.32.20000901154813.008084f0@mail.airmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com switch quant is the trick set it up to off and youll enter next loop instant as you have a soundscape going its just a matter of decision to say Now is my beat one while pressing next (auto rec on) Claude Michael Clark wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm on a learning curve with the Echoplex - a wonderful instrument. > > I want to create a soundscape in Loop #1 and Loop Copy it to Loop #2 where > I will add a rhythm. > > The problem is that I press Next Loop and wait for Loop #1 to cycle through > before Loop #2 begins recording - that's OK I suppose. Since Loop #1 is a > soundscape with no rhythm or click track, I'm late with my rhythm track > when Loop #2 is activated and recording - thus creating a dead space. So, > I begin playing in Loop #2, then stop recording and let Loop #2 cycle > through. At the beginning of Loop #2 is the dead space, which makes the > chord progression too erratic, rhythmically. I want to hit some > button/switch and immediately begin the Loop Copy and Recording process in > Loop #2. Can I do that? > > Thanks, > > Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 18:52:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30667; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:42:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:42:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:37:53 EDT Subject: Re: unsub To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/1/00 7:01:56 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, charlestyrer@totalise.co.uk writes: << i want to fuckin unsubscribe you sad bastards >> charles.........please dont unsubscribe me.........ill promise to be happy!..........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 18:56:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30407; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:36:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:36:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:23:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: OT: Cheery Charles Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, I just had a thought...(oh, dear me! he's thinking!) Due to the fact that the LD list is the first i've ever been on, i'm not sure if this is correct or not. If i unsubscribed, yet i still have the LD address (Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com), could i not just send messages that you all would receive, but i wouldn't, since i had 'unsubscribed'? Everyone's input as to the mental state of Mr. Tyrer (maybe Mr. isn't an appropriate if he's a child, which i suspect...) made me wonder if he had already unsubscribed, but decided to send nasty posts just to irritate the community, but didn't have to suffer the backlash. ...planting the bomb and leaving the scene... his post regarding the instrument he played this morning made me realize he's still getting messages, but it would be feasible wouldn't it? Ok, here's the on topic question for our yet-to-be-seen Repeater. They say that once you capture the loop, you have control over Tempo and Pitch. Is this real-time? Ala Roland's Variphrase? It seems like you would have to have alot of horsepower to record the loop, have it playing and then adjust pitch or tempo on the fly (Roland says that you have to 'encode' the sample with their proprietary system before you can manipulate the samples in real-time with the Variphrase). Also, is it doing time-stretching? If i decide to change the pitch, does the tempo change, or is the loop still locked to it's original length? If i change the tempo, does the pitch change? I really like the idea of the Boomerang update, with 'musical' speed changes, but it seems that you have to stop the loop, change the speed and start again. I wonder how the Repeater is going to do it? I think it would open up a pandora's box of harmonic possibilities if you could capture 4 loops and then start changing pitches into 5ths, 7ths, octaves and such, yet still keeping the loop length locked. Another dreamy question...Synching two (or more) EDP's seems to be a very sweet setup...Can two Repeaters be synched via the midi ports? rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 18:56:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30971; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:49:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:49:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <16.1c8f8cb.26e18c1b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:47:55 EDT Subject: oHIo To: THEGREENBEAN@prodigy.net, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/1/00 2:16:22 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, THEGREENBEAN@prodigy.net writes: << if you're ever in ohio >> get out quick!........just kidding........larry, where are you in ohio?.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 19:22:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31723; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:22:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:22:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.88] From: "g716" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Seeking Sustainiac Install guide Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:21:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Sep 2000 23:21:55.0004 (UTC) FILETIME=[6AAB47C0:01C0146B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No looping content, but I know there's a few sustainiacs on this list. I just received my sustainiac plus today. Unfortunately it arrived without any install instructions. I sent Alan Hoover (sustainiac inventor and all-around nice guy) an email and left him a voice mail, but I'm guessing he's gone for the holiday weekend. Bummer. I was hoping to use the long weekend myself retro-fitting a guitar with my new toy. Does anyone happen to have instructions in electronic format and/or the ability to scan their instructions and email them to me? thanks! Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 21:44:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01263; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:44:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:44:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:42:24 -0700 Subject: Klein From: Vance Galloway To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200009011848.OAA23778@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oooooh, Klein guitars are super sweet. I LOVE them. The balance is terrific. They feel like they just FIT your body and hands. They are the most ergonomic, "playable" instrument I have ever held. Unfortunately, I have not yet afforded one. Now, how do I connect this to looping..... Um..... I keep LOOPING back to wanting one and keep looping around their booth at the NAMM show. V From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 23:17:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02401; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:17:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:17:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 20:15:57 -0700 Subject: Used Kyma From: Vance Galloway To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200008312315.TAA04985@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3050684197_883509_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3050684197_883509_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Someone wrote: Subject: Re: used Kyma Good lourde! Is that a standard price for it? Answer: No, this is quite cheap. Vance --MS_Mac_OE_3050684197_883509_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Used Kyma
Someone wrote:
Subject: Re: used Kyma

Good lourde!

Is that a standard price for it?

Answer:  No, this is quite cheap.

Vance



 --MS_Mac_OE_3050684197_883509_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 1 23:45:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02920; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:45:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:45:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <13.a431e4d.26e1d1ae@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:44:46 EDT Subject: Re: Klein To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had wanted a Klein for years. After years of accumulating a vast folder of info on all Klein instruments I finally had to give up the ghost and admit I could probably never afford one (I am extremely 'budgeted'). The sadly defunct Musician magazine then ran a contest involving Torns' Polytown project. I couldn't believe it when I actually won! My prize was a Klein guitar, and a Lexicon Vortex and Jamman! I nearly had a heart attack!! -Anyway Kleins are the greatest guitars around. Mine is the ye olde basic model with EMG pickups (which I kinda like because they send a real strong and quiet signal through my fx rack). I also had the TransTrem installed - which is not really suggested by the group at Klein for reasons that Kevin stated in an earlier post...but I just dig it too much!! As Kevin also stated earlier, you really could not ask for a nicer person to work with then Lorenzo at Klein. -as for why so many loopers and 'out' artists use Kleins, I believe they just have more discerning tastes and are more accepting of such an 'odd' shaped instrument. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 00:46:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03737; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 00:46:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 00:46:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000902005126.007b78b0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 00:51:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT: Cheery Charles In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:23 PM 9/1/00 -0700, rich wrote: >...everyone's input as to the mental state of Mr. Tyrer (maybe Mr. isn't >appropriate if he's a child, which i suspect...) No, he sells cars. His secretary must be the articulate one; the quotes attributed to Mr. Tyrer on the link he keeps sending didn't sound at all like the tone or vocabulary he uses with us. His manners are better with potential cu$tomer$, it seems. I'm not sure if this is the same guy, but there's a keyboard-playing Charles Tyrer who calls himself Skin Flint (any relation, Kim? :^]) responsible for this: Is that you Charles? Honestly, we would never have flogged this dead lobster for so long, nor called you those nasty names had you not been so damned belligerant. Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 01:43:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04408; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 01:43:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 01:43:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Stickist@aol.com Message-ID: <86.3259a4.26e1ed21@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 01:41:53 EDT Subject: Greg Howard Band performances in Virginia and New York To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 146 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings, The drummer in my new band does a lot of looping with an echoplex and a d-drum. Jan Wolfkamp was once subscribed to this list so I thought you might be interested. For those interested we have three performance in the eastern U. S. September 3,4, and 5. There are live mp3s and quicktime videos of the band at: http://www.greghoward.com/band Thanks for your time, Greg Howard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 08:09:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06787; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 08:08:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 08:08:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1Jr1 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 21:07:34 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Webcast Today Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, We started Webcast project by RealVideo system. http://www.cavestudio.com/live_from_far_east/ A trial run is Today, http://www.cavestudio.com/live_from_far_east/loop_is_life_life_is_loop/ 2nd September 2000 25:00 - 27:00(JST) = 16:00-18:00(GMT) Sunao Inami loopy ambient performance Using Waldorf Q, PPG wave 2.2. with Lexicon Jamman etc.. Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 08:44:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07260; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 08:44:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 08:44:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <92.97659e6.26e24fd8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 08:43:04 EDT Subject: Re: long press vs. short press To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: <93-45D.A.9wB.8XPs5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bret, Thanks again for the response! Mostly, I think it's a matter of user mass than anything else, some majour dense portions usually going on in the brain pan. The main functions that tend to mess with me the most is when I want to get it to take a pair of loops and then have them play sequentially, in otherwords Loop 1 (1 repeat) Loop 2 (2 repeats). Again, it seems to be an issue of sitting down with the foot controller and being extremely gentle... Know this was something VERY old, but the idea of looping in socky feet seems to be a good solution for me thus far, and yes, I laughed at it when I first read that thread. Still chuckle about it, now. Also, many of the multiply functions tend to drive me nuts because there's not some form of "shift" key to cycle betwixt them. Finally, the one piece of naughtiness that I'd love to get this beastie to do, and supposedly it can, is to reverse the direction of the loop on the fly! Haven't figured that one out yet... Lee From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 10:13:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08009; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 10:12:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 10:12:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301c014e6$f7512de0$71ad5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #180 Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 10:06:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed by a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #180 August 31, 2000. On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on space music pioneer Michael Stearns. The feature CD at Midnight was "Spirits of the Voyage" on the Earth Turtle label. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Centrozoon Empire Blast (DiN) VA [Mark Pulver] Dark Days Electronic Music Project (none) Jim Cole & Spectral Kyrie Eleison Sky (Spectral Spiral Music) Voices VA [Arcane] Track #5 Concerts at Jodrell Bank (Neu Harmony) Otarion Second Step Evolution (Neu Harmony) Saul Stokes * A Collection of Recordings (none) 12:00 am Michael Stearns The Spirits Blessing Spirits of the Voyage (Earth Turtle) Michael Stearns Canoe Haul SotV (Earth Turtle) Michael Stearns On the Sea SotV (Earth Turtle) Michael Stearns The Navigator's Dream SotV (Earth Turtle) Michael Stearns Soft Waves SotV (Earth Turtle) Michael Stearns Remember Me SotV (Earth Turtle) Michael Stearns Ocean Grandeur SotV (Earth Turtle) Michael Stearns Duet SotV (Earth Turtle) Michael Stearns Memories SotV (Earth Turtle) Michael Stearns Village Dances SotV (Earth Turtle) Michael Stearns Spirit Realm SotV (Earth Turtle) Michael Stearns Island Maidens SotV (Earth Turtle) Michael Stearns Storm Warning SotV (Earth Turtle) Michael Stearns Lost SotV (Earth Turtle) Michael Stearns Sumetaw SotV (Earth Turtle) Michael Stearns Atoll Sunrise * SotV (Earth Turtle) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on the artists appearing at the E-Live 2000 festival in Veldhoven, the Netherlands on September 10. The feature CD at midnight will be "Beyond the Galaxy" by Cosmic Hoffmann on the Heart and Mind label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 10:51:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08527; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 10:51:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 10:51:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 00:28:17 +0100 Subject: Re: Klein-clogging 1 From: "Martin Shellard" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Kevin This is exactly what I want to know, interesting point about the Transtrem, I kind of planned on getting one but if they don't work and cut tone .... Martin Shellard ---------- >From: KB305@aol.com > > OK, this was my response > > << > I got mine in Oct 1997. > Swamp ash, chambered, standard trem, Joe Barden pickups. > The TransTrem I liked less: it has less sustain, doesn't work that great > IMJ, and the tone is a little poorer for it. > Get the chambered body, it's full of many different tones. > I will never need another solid-body guitar. > This one goes on every gig. > It DOES change the way I play, like the promo says. > Lorenzo German is a beautiful cat as well. > Mine is right now in his hands: needs some fret dressing. (I've played > this 3-6 days per week for 3 years now.) All normal work is free. > I'd buy another one, but why? This is the best axe I've ever played. I > can't understand why you don't see more of them around, except that Lorenzo > won't give them away to potential endorsers. Torn, Frisell, Henry Kaiser: > they all had to pay for theirs. > It's worth every penny. > When I shipped mine to Klein this week I over-insured it, and I'd much > rather have the guitar back than a check for $4K from FedEx should they break it. > Call Lorenzo German at Klein. You won't regret it for a second. > > Does that help? > > Kevin > (see mine at http://members.aol.com/redroadtheband > or members.aol.com/kb305/kb305 and go the page labeled 'g' >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 11:34:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09277; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:34:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:34:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:32:50 -0400 From: "Betty L. Broyles" <105243.375@compuserve.com> Subject: EMUSIC Top 20 for July Sender: "Betty L. Broyles" <105243.375@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <200009021132_MC2-B1FE-4119@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA09226 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please remove this address from your distribution. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 12:13:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09835; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 12:13:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 12:13:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "J. Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: EMUSIC Top 20 for July Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 09:10:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <200009021132_MC2-B1FE-4119@compuserve.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please look through the @#$%& archives on this. This has already been settled. If you don't like the EMusic post, just delete it. And because I'm a nice guy this morning, here's the URL: http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma/LDarchive Jump right to it! J. | -----Original Message----- | From: Betty L. Broyles [mailto:105243.375@compuserve.com] | Sent: Saturday 02 September 2000 8:33 AM | To: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: EMUSIC Top 20 for July | | | Please remove this address from your distribution. | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 12:38:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10276; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 12:37:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 12:37:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000902124331.007ae520@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 12:43:31 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: EMUSIC Top 20 for July In-Reply-To: <200009021132_MC2-B1FE-4119@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:32 AM 9/2/00 -0400, Betty wrote: >Please remove this address from your distribution. and Javier answered: >^%$#%#!!! Perhaps as a compromise, Mr. Fox could reserve spots on his playlist for tracks from at least three listmembers per show... That would guarantee on-topicality for EMUSIC posts! :^D Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 12:43:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10521; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 12:42:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 12:42:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <021a01c014fd$018d6920$e01d30d5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20000902124331.007ae520@pop.ici.net> Subject: Re: EMUSIC Top 20 for July Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 17:44:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Perhaps as a compromise, Mr. Fox could reserve spots on his playlist for > tracks from at least three listmembers per show... > > That would guarantee on-topicality for EMUSIC posts! :^D That sounds good to me, where do I send my CD to??? :o) Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk - album out now. Listen to real audio here and order it! e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com SBN - solobassnetwork-subscribe@listbot.com "I know there's a balance, I see it when I swing past" - John Mellencamp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 13:32:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11391; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 13:32:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 13:32:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39B1398B.850@club-internet.fr> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 19:31:55 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: BEATKEEPER made in USA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anybody heard about Eliot ? He is the inventor of the BEATKEEPER made by NUMARK in USA Quite interesting ... http://www.BEATKEEPER.com Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 13:50:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11737; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 13:50:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 13:50:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 13:49:21 EDT Subject: Re: Thar's a new looper in town (Tampa Bay, FL) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 65 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is any of his stuff on the web so we might take a listen? Harry From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 15:32:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12980; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:32:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:32:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000902152426.00d0def0@mail.axs2000.net> X-Sender: jseltzer@mail.axs2000.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 15:32:43 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Captain Liberal Subject: Lexicon pcm42 mods... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <4hxDvB.A.JKD.qVVs5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, Finally joined the list here after lurking for quite a while... I just finished modifying my Lexicon pcm42 MEO per Bob Sellon's MEMX instructions. I can't believe it, but it still works and it now has 19.3 seconds of delay! Next up, memory expansion of my Delta Lab ADM-4096. I figure I should be able to up the delay to about 24.5 seconds...maybe more (depending on how much room there is inside the box). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 15:45:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13562; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:45:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:45:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c01516$2a7a5d20$0100a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers List" Subject: EDP Multiply question Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 12:44:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is it possible to enter Multiply mode without recording? I don't think so but thought I'd ask- I want to Multiply and play on top but not record what I play while multiplying.- Thanks- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 16:08:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13997; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 16:08:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 16:08:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39B15E81.E256F947@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 13:12:30 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: long press vs. short press References: <92.97659e6.26e24fd8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Phaedebk@aol.com wrote: > ... > > Finally, the one piece of naughtiness that I'd love to get this beastie > to do, and supposedly it can, is to reverse the direction of the loop on the > fly! Haven't figured that one out yet... > > ... set the insert parameter (*insertmode*) to "rev". this will enable you to immediately reverse a loop with one press of the insert button. check the looper's delight faq pages, i believe kim has a treatise on various reverse mode tricks you can try... have fun! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 16:21:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14318; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 16:21:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 16:21:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200009022020.NAA19759@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 13:20:38 -0700 Subject: Re: Lexicon pcm42 mods... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh God another pcm 42 guy! this unit is my all time go-to looper box in the world-got mine back in the 80s(modded by B.Sellon) after seeing (hearing) D.TORN and he called it his '20 sec.looper' even tho' its really 19.2.That is-3.2 x 3=9.6sec. x 2=19.2sec. Anyway I luv it and use all parameters-halfing the loop,doubling the loop,using the clock out,VCO, and especially syncing it up to my EDP which opens a whole 'nother world.Good Luck...seeya,STANNER ---------- >From: Captain Liberal >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Lexicon pcm42 mods... >Date: Sat, Sep 2, 2000, 12:32 PM > >Hey, > >Finally joined the list here after lurking for quite a while... > >I just finished modifying my Lexicon pcm42 MEO per Bob Sellon's MEMX >instructions. I can't believe it, but it still works and it now has 19.3 >seconds of delay! > >Next up, memory expansion of my Delta Lab ADM-4096. I figure I should be >able to up the delay to about 24.5 seconds...maybe more (depending on how >much room there is inside the box). > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 17:40:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15184; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 17:40:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 17:40:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <50.a646d30.26e2cd78@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 17:39:04 EDT Subject: Re: EMUSIC Top 20 for July To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/2/00 3:37:27 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, tcn62@ici.net writes: << and Javier answered: >^%$#%#!!! Perhaps as a compromise, Mr. Fox could reserve spots on his playlist for tracks from at least three listmembers per show... >> i would love to see "libamentum vocis" on mr. fox's list......i also feel that tim took javiers quote out of context only to promote tim's own agenda, the above mentioned "compromise"........imho a good idea!...........meanwhile, betty.......please take your meds!........your too tense..........tee-pee, wigwam..........sorry..........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 17:45:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15480; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 17:44:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 17:44:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.161.234.180] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Subject: Re: Thar's a new looper in town (Tampa Bay, FL) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 17:43:55 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Sep 2000 21:43:55.0759 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4C76FF0:01C01526] Resent-Message-ID: <4u9ZbB.A.VxD.aSXs5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "is any of his stuff on the web so we might take a listen? Harry" This is the home page for Tibetan Sound Orgy (featuring the now-looping trumpeter and sampler player Jonathan Powell): http://www.groovewell.com/bands/tso/ The audio clips were most likely recorded before Jon got his DL4, though. Paolo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 18:21:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16083; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 18:21:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 18:21:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000902182715.007b0b00@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 18:27:15 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: EMUSIC Top 20 for July In-Reply-To: <50.a646d30.26e2cd78@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <2bX-EB.A.q6D.90Xs5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:39 PM 9/2/00 EDT, michael wrote: >i would love to see "libamentum vocis" on mr. fox's list... Me too! For those of you who aren't familiar with that piece, it's by Javier Miranda himself, and can be heard at on a (CT)Project compilation called "Akapella"... Check it out! >...i also feel that tim took javiers quote out of context only to promote >tim's own agenda, the above mentioned "compromise"..... I sure did! Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 18:38:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16482; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 18:38:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 18:38:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c01541$1ed97840$9d6202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> Reply-To: "Gregor Zavcer" From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Win2k and Midi Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 13:42:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <5DwLlD.A._AE.RFYs5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Thanks- if only MIDI was good in Win2k- it is soooo much better than Win98 - > >Cliff > Could you be more specific please? I just have a win2k cd in front of me and now i don't know if i should install it? How would for example logic audio work? greetings, gregor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 20:07:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17398; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 19:58:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 19:58:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c01539$80d78120$61a0d8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <50.a646d30.26e2cd78@aol.com> Subject: Re: EMUSIC Top 20 for July Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 16:57:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- Please look through the @#$%& archives on this. then: > In a message dated 9/2/00 3:37:27 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, > tcn62@ici.net writes: > > << and Javier answered: > >^%$#%#!!! > <>i also feel that tim took javiers quote out of context only to promote >tim's own agenda, the above mentioned "compromise"..... I sure did! Tim misspelled it too G PS I laughed anyway From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 20:13:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17800; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 20:13:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 20:13:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: EMUSIC Top 20 for July Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 17:11:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <002d01c01539$80d78120$61a0d8cc@gary> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've had a good laugh with everybody's witticisms today, and I want to thank you all. That's what I get for not writing English correctly! And thanks too for the little CT plug on my piece. Check it out! http://www.loopxchange.com or http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/works_akapella.html J. | -----Original Message----- | From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:relayonemanband@cts.com] | Sent: Saturday 02 September 2000 4:57 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: Re: EMUSIC Top 20 for July | | | | ----- Original Message ----- | Please look through the @#$%& archives on this. | | then: | | > In a message dated 9/2/00 3:37:27 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, | > tcn62@ici.net writes: | > | > << and Javier answered: | > >^%$#%#!!! | > | <>i also feel that tim took javiers quote out of context only to | promote | >tim's own agenda, the above mentioned "compromise"..... | | I sure did! | | Tim | | misspelled it too | G | | PS | I laughed anyway | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 21:16:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18840; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 21:16:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 21:16:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000902212203.007bf100@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 21:22:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: The Opportunity to Hear Each Others' Loops (Was: EMUSIC Top 20 for July) In-Reply-To: <002d01c01539$80d78120$61a0d8cc@gary> References: <50.a646d30.26e2cd78@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:57 PM 9/2/00 -0700, Gary wrote: >misspelled it too Yeah, I sort of $#*&ing paraphrased, but kept the gist of it! :^) But anyway, the thread Javier was talking about has come up before, and I'm sure it will again. On the one hand, postings promoting local gigs and radio broadcasts that most of us can't be involved in AREN'T universally appreciated, but all the same, they can be useful. Even if we can't make it to the show, we can still keep our thumbs on the pulse of which venues are happening and are more or less "loop sympatico". Occasionally, listmembers have travelled to "meet and greet" at such events. Playlists for programs like Bill's can be a resource for finding out about artists we may not have otherwise known about. And there's always the "delete" button... My suggestion that Bill reserve regular spots for us on his playlist was made with tongue in cheek, but at the same time it only makes sense that a virtual community based around music makes the most of every opportunity to hear what its members are doing. The original Looper's Delight Subscriber's CDs and were a start. Since then, LD listmembers have been involved in a number of spin-off projects such as: and and there are several others in the works. The Loop Artists of the World page on the LD site includes a field where listmembers can supply a link to places where their music can be heard. However, the site really doesn't have a "Links" page per se; wouldn't it be cool (Kim?) if there were a page where a bunch of links to listmember-related projects were assembled in one place? And wouldn't it be even cooler if more listmembers took advantage of the new technology (mp3's, home cd burners, etc.) to participate in the sorts of projects that would allow us to hear each other? Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 22:05:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19645; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 22:05:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 22:05:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <027401c0154a$af03d100$71ad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: The Opportunity to Hear Each Others' Loops (Was: EMUSIC Top 20 for July) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 22:00:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello All, -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Saturday, September 02, 2000 9:19 PM Subject: The Opportunity to Hear Each Others' Loops (Was: EMUSIC Top 20 for July) >On the one hand, postings promoting local gigs and radio broadcasts that >most of us can't be involved in AREN'T universally appreciated, but all the >same, they can be useful. Even if we can't make it to the show, we can >still keep our thumbs on the pulse of which venues are happening and are >more or less "loop sympatico". Occasionally, listmembers have travelled to >"meet and greet" at such events. Playlists for programs like Bill's can be >a resource for finding out about artists we may not have otherwise known >about. And there's always the "delete" button... Obviously Tim gets it. I'd like to add that since I play many unknowns in a backwater genre, my playlists should be considered as encouragement to make music and taken as evidence that there IS a place where you have a change of getting airplay. Looping is only a technique. But when used to make ambient or space music (my show's raison d'etre), Loopers know that I'll seriously consider their music. >My suggestion that Bill reserve regular spots for us on his playlist was >made with tongue in cheek, [...] And it has caused my show to be advertised much more than my weekly playlists even attempt! Announcement-- It seems that WDIY, though moving as slow as a glacier, plans to netcast some day. Don't hold your breath but if the PD says so, I believe it! Cheers, Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 22:30:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20104; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 22:30:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 22:30:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 19:27:13 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Multiply question In-reply-to: <000d01c01516$2a7a5d20$0100a8c0@we.mediaone.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <0HxvQD.A.l5E.oebs5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:44 PM -0700 9/2/00, Om_Audio wrote: >Is it possible to enter Multiply mode without recording? I don't think so >but thought I'd ask- I want to Multiply and play on top but not record what >I play while multiplying.- Thanks- > >Cliff no....but couldn't you just play that bit while the basic thing loops, then wait to do the multiply when you actually want to record longer phrases on top of it? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 22:51:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20546; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 22:51:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 22:51:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000902224816.009659b0@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: floyd@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 22:51:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: EDP Multiply question In-Reply-To: References: <000d01c01516$2a7a5d20$0100a8c0@we.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:44 PM -0700 9/2/00, Om_Audio wrote: >Is it possible to enter Multiply mode without recording? I don't think so >but thought I'd ask- I want to Multiply and play on top but not record what >I play while multiplying.- Thanks- > You could turn down the input control all the way. But why? all multiply without recording would do is make copies of the original loop which would be the same as just letting the original loop play, except the multiple loops would use up more memory. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 23:04:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20905; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 23:04:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 23:04:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 20:01:06 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: OT: Cheery Charles In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:23 PM -0700 9/1/00, rich wrote: >Hi All, > >I just had a thought...(oh, dear me! he's thinking!) >Due to the fact that the LD list is the first i've ever been on, i'm not >sure if this is correct or not. > >If i unsubscribed, yet i still have the LD address >(Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com), could i not just send messages that >you all would receive, but i wouldn't, since i had 'unsubscribed'? not on this list. Looper's Delight is set such that you have to be subscribed in order to post. This prevents random spams and such from getting to the list. BTW, our friend Charles did finally figure out how to unsubscribe and got himself off the list yesterday. So you all can shut up about him now.... >Another dreamy question...Synching two (or more) EDP's seems to be a very >sweet setup...Can two Repeaters be synched via the midi ports? midi is not accurate enough for sample-level synchronization like the Echoplex does with BrotherSync. You can get phase problems between the two units with just midi sync, but whether that is noticeable or not depends on what you are recording and doing with it. For synchronizing two loops with relatively different audio, midi works fine. The other thing about midi is it only goes one direction, so one unit always has to be the sync master and the others the slaves. If you decide you want something recorded in a looper down the chain to become the base for the sync, you're out of luck. That capability is why Matthias called it "BrotherSync" on the echoplex - there are no masters and slaves, only brothers. Any of them can create the sync for the rest. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 2 23:23:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21377; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 23:23:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 23:23:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c01556$429362e0$a7c7d8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <000d01c01516$2a7a5d20$0100a8c0@we.mediaone.net> <4.2.0.58.20000902224816.009659b0@192.168.0.1> Subject: Re: EDP Multiply question Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 20:22:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- > At 12:44 PM -0700 9/2/00, Om_Audio wrote: > >Is it possible to enter Multiply mode without recording? I don't think so > >but thought I'd ask- I want to Multiply and play on top but not record what > >I play while multiplying.- Thanks- > > Then Floyd Miller wrote: > You could turn down the input control all the way. > But why? all multiply without recording would do is > make copies of the original loop which would be the > same as just letting the original loop play, except > the multiple loops would use up more memory. Here's why-- Sometimes I have a phrase which works as the first part of a phrase, but needs to be a multiple, i. e., it does not repeat enough times--you know, like the first 4 bars of the blues, say. Then I want to insert the next part, but in order to fool the audience into thinking that it's live (!), I need to keep playing thru the doubling of the first part while I multiply to get to the proper place in the progression. See, I'm not using any more than one loop yet. I haven't needed or wanted to switch between loops since the Echoplex has such an abundance of power. Much better to compose the tune and arrange the parts as I go along--then it will play correctly ''til Kingdom come (or the audience gets ugly). Unfortunately there is this limitation. Good to know what the boundaries are . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 00:14:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22137; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 00:14:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 00:14:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006101c0155d$39321820$0100a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP Multiply question Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 21:12:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks- I was asking for fellow list member Rich who wants to play over top of the cycle as it gets multiplied 4x- then copy it to next loop and lay things on top of the second loop while maintaining a "clean" version in loop 1- make sense? Thanks- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 7:27 PM Subject: Re: EDP Multiply question > At 12:44 PM -0700 9/2/00, Om_Audio wrote: > >Is it possible to enter Multiply mode without recording? I don't think so > >but thought I'd ask- I want to Multiply and play on top but not record what > >I play while multiplying.- Thanks- > > > >Cliff > > no....but couldn't you just play that bit while the basic thing loops, then > wait to do the multiply when you actually want to record longer phrases on > top of it? > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 00:53:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22754; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 00:53:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 00:53:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.161.234.180] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Handsonic list? Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 00:52:42 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2000 04:52:42.0822 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB4DB660:01C01562] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As some may have noticed from my other recent posts to this list, I recently bought a Roland Handsonic and have been messing with it ever since. Perhaps this is a bit early, but I figure I'd ask here since I see at least two other Handsonic owners here: Any interest in a Handsonic mailing list? It'd be pretty easy to create a new list at eGroups.com. I moderate a list there and overall am satisfied enough to use them again for another new list. Plus they have useful features like a two-step subscription process wherein if somebody sends a subscription request, that person receives a confirmation email to which he/she MUST reply from his/her OWN email address before it will be added. It's not like LD where I can subscribe my cousin, for example, as a prank. Paolo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 00:59:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22973; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 00:59:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 00:59:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.13.2.20000902235307.016d6560@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.0.13 (Beta) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 23:55:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Handsonic list? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paolo Valladolid (11:52 PM 09.02.2000) wrote: >Perhaps this is a bit early, but I figure I'd ask here since I see at >least two other Handsonic owners here: > >Any interest in a Handsonic mailing list? Sure... I know that there are a couple of lurkers here with machines as well. The only personal issue I have with eGroups are the ads at the TOP of the message. It drives me nuts. but... I don't know of a freebie listserver that doesn't have something like that. Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 01:33:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23388; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 01:32:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 01:32:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 22:29:30 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Handsonic list? In-reply-to: <5.0.0.13.2.20000902235307.016d6560@mail.redmoon-music.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:55 PM -0700 9/2/00, Mark Pulver wrote: >Paolo Valladolid (11:52 PM 09.02.2000) wrote: > > >Perhaps this is a bit early, but I figure I'd ask here since I see at > >least two other Handsonic owners here: > > > >Any interest in a Handsonic mailing list? > > >Sure... I know that there are a couple of lurkers here with machines as well. > >The only personal issue I have with eGroups are the ads at the TOP of the >message. It drives me nuts. > > >but... I don't know of a freebie listserver that doesn't have something >like that. All you have to do is ask. I can easily set up a list on my server. no ads, no corporate control, all open source software, totally configurable, run it any way you want. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 01:36:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23580; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 01:36:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 01:36:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 22:32:50 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Happy Birthday Looper's Delight! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Looper's Delight list is four years old today. How about that? Happy Birthday to us! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 01:51:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23870; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 01:50:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 01:50:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c0156a$bca328e0$0100a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Looper's Delight! Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 22:49:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Happy birthday Loopers Delight! Thanks for being here- May you loop a long life to come- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 10:32 PM Subject: Happy Birthday Looper's Delight! > The Looper's Delight list is four years old today. How about that? > > Happy Birthday to us! > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 01:52:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24055; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 01:52:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 01:52:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c01573$ae4120a0$77f538cb@swoods> From: "steven" To: References: Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Looper's Delight! Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 16:53:34 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Happy Birthday to you for all the good work you do for all of us Its Father's day too in Australia today ( Sunday 3nd September 2000 ) Sunny day and a cold Aussie beer or 3 Thanks Steven Woods Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Flint To: Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 3:32 PM Subject: Happy Birthday Looper's Delight! > The Looper's Delight list is four years old today. How about that? > > Happy Birthday to us! > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 02:11:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24382; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 02:11:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 02:11:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c0156d$ffee4dc0$e1cd44c6@oemcomputer> From: "Gary Turner" To: References: Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Looper's Delight! Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 01:12:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <1C3XnB.A.O8F.Btes5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh yeah? WELL UNSUBSCRIBE ME FROM YOUR LIST, DARTH VADER! Just kidding... ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Flint To: Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 12:32 AM Subject: Happy Birthday Looper's Delight! > The Looper's Delight list is four years old today. How about that? > > Happy Birthday to us! > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 02:27:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24702; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 02:27:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 02:27:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [148.233.248.100] From: "Alejandro Martínez" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Looper's Delight! Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 06:26:56 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2000 06:26:57.0012 (UTC) FILETIME=[F576A340:01C0156F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The Looper's Delight list is four years old today. How about that? > >Happy Birthday to us! > >kim Glad to hear that, I just subscribed myself 2 weeks ago, hope the list continues several years from now too. Alex. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 03:47:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25290; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 03:46:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 03:46:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 00:43:14 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Multiply question In-reply-to: <006101c0155d$39321820$0100a8c0@we.mediaone.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: <5ETwTB.A.XKG.BHgs5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:12 PM -0700 9/2/00, Om_Audio wrote: >Thanks- I was asking for fellow list member Rich who wants to play over top >of the cycle as it gets multiplied 4x- then copy it to next loop and lay >things on top of the second loop while maintaining a "clean" version in loop >1- make sense? Thanks- > >Cliff ah, I see. That's easy to do anyway, and there is no need to multiply your clean original before you copy it to another loop! You see, LoopCopy of the audio is really just like doing a multiply, except that it goes into a new loop. The copy process lets you create multiples and overdub on top at the same time, just like Multiply. So rather than multiplying your "clean" version first in loop 1 with the Multiply function and then copying that to loop 2, you simply start the copy with the original when you are ready. It copies into Loop 2 in real time, letting you add more material on top as it goes. If you let it keep going, it adds multiples of the original until you tell it to stop, just like the regular Multiply function. Then Loop 2 has as many multiples as you like with your longer phrase on top, while loop 1 still has your "clean" original. Here's a step-by-step, to be clear: 1. record a 1 bar loop in Loop 1. This is your "clean" original. In EDP-speak, this is one "cycle". 2. let it loop away, while you play whatever you want along with it. 3. When you are ready to record the longer phrase, start the LoopCopy to loop 2. 4. When the copy starts, you will see the Loop display saying 2 and the timer counting up. The multiple display will be showing 1 at that point. You will hear the Loop 1 audio continue to play seamlessly, although now it is actually going into Loop 2. 5. Play your long phrase. Everything you play is being overdubbed on top into Loop 2, along with the copied audio from loop 1. The new stuff and the copied stuff are mixed together in real time for you, and recorded in Loop 2. 6. When the copying gets to the end of your original cycle, you will see the Multiple display increment by 1, and the original cycle plays again. You can keep on playing your longer thing, adding it to the loop in Loop 2. Your original cycle is still being copied, for as many multiples of it as you like. You can let it go for as long as you have memory. (all of that is just as Multiply works). 7. When you've got as many multiples as you want, or you've finished the longer phrase that is going on top, stop the copy. (you even do this by pressing Multiply, to keep it familiar with the Multiply function.) 8. the Echoplex stops the copy into Loop 2, and immediately begins playing back that loop. You'll hear your original cycle repeating for how ever many cycles you gave it, along with the longer thing you've added on top. 9. Loop 1 of course, is still your original "clean" cycle! Whenever you want you can go back to that loop, and have the original cycle play. Now you can easily switch between having the basic loop play clean, and the multiplied loop with the longer phrase! It will sound just like you are turning the longer phrase on and off. It's really a pseudo-multitrack effect, except with a performance oriented interface. The important thing is, you accomplished all of that seamlessly, in real-time, with very few button presses, and without any awkward waiting! This is a bit of an advanced function on the echoplex, but once you get it there's a lot of power there. We reused concepts like Multiply for this for a reason. We hope that people learn the basics of the Echoplex while playing with the simpler functions as they start out. Then as they move on to deeper functions, they discover that they already know it! Similarly, there is time copy. This lets you copy the time base of one loop into another, without the first loop's audio. This one is really just like Insert! I'll leave it to you to explore that one. Hope that helps, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 03:51:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25527; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 03:50:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 03:50:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 00:46:43 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: long press vs. short press In-reply-to: <39B15E81.E256F947@earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <92.97659e6.26e24fd8@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:12 PM -0700 9/2/00, lance glover wrote: >Phaedebk@aol.com wrote: > >> ... >> >> Finally, the one piece of naughtiness that I'd love to get this beastie >> to do, and supposedly it can, is to reverse the direction of the loop on the >> fly! Haven't figured that one out yet... >> >> ... > >set the insert parameter (*insertmode*) to "rev". this will enable you to >immediately reverse a loop with one press of the insert button. check the >looper's delight faq pages, i believe kim has a treatise on various >reverse mode >tricks you can try... > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex_reverse.html in case you didn't find it yet.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 03:52:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25741; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 03:52:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 03:52:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c0156f$7c431c60$5627d9c8@doutor> From: "Julio Moreno" To: References: <001601c01573$ae4120a0$77f538cb@swoods> Subject: Brasilian Regards. Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 03:23:05 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From Salvador , Brasil , long live and long loops for everybody at the list !!! julio ----- Original Message ----- From: "steven" To: Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 3:53 AM Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Looper's Delight! > Happy Birthday to you for all the good work you do for all of us > Its Father's day too in Australia today ( Sunday 3nd September 2000 ) > Sunny day and a cold Aussie beer or 3 > Thanks > Steven Woods > Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kim Flint > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 3:32 PM > Subject: Happy Birthday Looper's Delight! > > > > The Looper's Delight list is four years old today. How about that? > > > > Happy Birthday to us! > > > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 04:09:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26149; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 04:09:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 04:09:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 01:06:07 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex - How Do I? In-reply-to: <3.0.3.32.20000901154813.008084f0@mail.airmail.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:48 PM -0700 9/1/00, Michael Clark wrote: >Hi, > >I'm on a learning curve with the Echoplex - a wonderful instrument. > >I want to create a soundscape in Loop #1 and Loop Copy it to Loop #2 where >I will add a rhythm. > >The problem is that I press Next Loop and wait for Loop #1 to cycle through >before Loop #2 begins recording - that's OK I suppose. Since Loop #1 is a >soundscape with no rhythm or click track, I'm late with my rhythm track >when Loop #2 is activated and recording - thus creating a dead space. So, >I begin playing in Loop #2, then stop recording and let Loop #2 cycle >through. At the beginning of Loop #2 is the dead space, which makes the >chord progression too erratic, rhythmically. I want to hit some >button/switch and immediately begin the Loop Copy and Recording process in >Loop #2. Can I do that? yes, certainly. I think Claude explained it already. it is the conflict between quantized and freedom... :-) You simply need to turn the SwitchQuant parameter off, so loop switching happens immediately when you hit the Next button instead of waiting to the end of the loop. Let *you* be in charge of the rhythm, instead of the machine. play it as an instrument. Also, set the AutoRecord parameter to On, so it starts recording immediately when you go to an empty loop. You will find the Echoplex readily supports both free and quantized playing, largely due to the differences of it's creators and others who influenced it's development. Matthias, of course, is the one who supports the freedem of unquantized, immediate playing.... you will find that ingrained in the heart of it. I'm always the one insisting on more sync functions and proper behavior with quantizing, along with Claude....;-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 05:18:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA27255; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 05:16:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 05:16:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 02:13:19 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Re:Unsubscribe!/ EDP Undo function In-reply-to: <016001c0143e$94c5e920$a37a79a5@cliff> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:00 AM -0700 9/1/00, Clifford@BienAppraisers wrote: >Actually, to be ON topic- how exactly do you undo on the EDP? I get lost as >after I overdub it seems to take numerous presses of the undo at precisely >the start point to clear what I want to clear- which inevitably leads me to >just press undo like MAD until it is all gone- not good- Hi Cliff- Sounds like you need to learn the difference between a Long-Press Undo and a Short-Press Undo. Check the manual under "undo", it is explained there. Basically, a short-press undo removes whatever was overdubbed *after* that point in the loop. That is useful if you have overdubbed something in the loop and screwed up at the end. You want to take out that clam without hearing it again, but you don't want to take out the stuff you played before it that was right. So as the loop is playing, right before the bad bit comes you tap undo for a short-press and the overdubbed stuff after that point is removed. Before that point is kept. Then you could turn overdub back on and correct it on the next pass or something. Short-press undo's won't remove the whole layer and take you back to previous versions. A long-press undo is probably what you are actually trying to do. That is where you hold the button for half a second and the entire overdub layer is removed, taking you back to the previous version. If you have enough memory, you can go all the way back to the original before you started overdubbing on it. Also, pay attention to how many layers you have actually overdubbed! Sometimes you might start an overdub just before the loop end, go all the way through the loop, then end it just past the startpoint again. Then you've actually got three layers of overdubs, when you might have thought you only did one! So it will take three Undo press in that case. When you understand how Undo works, and what you need to pay attention to, it is quite easy to control it. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 05:30:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA27460; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 05:30:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 05:30:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c01589$6ce936e0$0100a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP Multiply question Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 02:29:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you so much for the informative response- it really does make sense- simply make a loop, multiply it if you want to or not- then just use the loop copy function and play on top as the loop copy is recording new material as well into the next loop- sweet- Thanks Kim- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 12:43 AM Subject: Re: EDP Multiply question > At 9:12 PM -0700 9/2/00, Om_Audio wrote: > >Thanks- I was asking for fellow list member Rich who wants to play over top > >of the cycle as it gets multiplied 4x- then copy it to next loop and lay > >things on top of the second loop while maintaining a "clean" version in loop > >1- make sense? Thanks- > > > >Cliff > > ah, I see. That's easy to do anyway, and there is no need to multiply your > clean original before you copy it to another loop! > > You see, LoopCopy of the audio is really just like doing a multiply, except > that it goes into a new loop. The copy process lets you create multiples > and overdub on top at the same time, just like Multiply. > > So rather than multiplying your "clean" version first in loop 1 with the > Multiply function and then copying that to loop 2, you simply start the > copy with the original when you are ready. It copies into Loop 2 in real > time, letting you add more material on top as it goes. If you let it keep > going, it adds multiples of the original until you tell it to stop, just > like the regular Multiply function. Then Loop 2 has as many multiples as > you like with your longer phrase on top, while loop 1 still has your > "clean" original. > > Here's a step-by-step, to be clear: > > 1. record a 1 bar loop in Loop 1. This is your "clean" original. In > EDP-speak, this is one "cycle". > > 2. let it loop away, while you play whatever you want along with it. > > 3. When you are ready to record the longer phrase, start the LoopCopy to > loop 2. > > 4. When the copy starts, you will see the Loop display saying 2 and the > timer counting up. The multiple display will be showing 1 at that point. > You will hear the Loop 1 audio continue to play seamlessly, although now it > is actually going into Loop 2. > > 5. Play your long phrase. Everything you play is being overdubbed on top > into Loop 2, along with the copied audio from loop 1. The new stuff and the > copied stuff are mixed together in real time for you, and recorded in Loop > 2. > > 6. When the copying gets to the end of your original cycle, you will see > the Multiple display increment by 1, and the original cycle plays again. > You can keep on playing your longer thing, adding it to the loop in Loop 2. > Your original cycle is still being copied, for as many multiples of it as > you like. You can let it go for as long as you have memory. (all of that is > just as Multiply works). > > 7. When you've got as many multiples as you want, or you've finished the > longer phrase that is going on top, stop the copy. (you even do this by > pressing Multiply, to keep it familiar with the Multiply function.) > > 8. the Echoplex stops the copy into Loop 2, and immediately begins playing > back that loop. You'll hear your original cycle repeating for how ever many > cycles you gave it, along with the longer thing you've added on top. > > 9. Loop 1 of course, is still your original "clean" cycle! Whenever you > want you can go back to that loop, and have the original cycle play. Now > you can easily switch between having the basic loop play clean, and the > multiplied loop with the longer phrase! It will sound just like you are > turning the longer phrase on and off. It's really a pseudo-multitrack > effect, except with a performance oriented interface. > > The important thing is, you accomplished all of that seamlessly, in > real-time, with very few button presses, and without any awkward waiting! > > > This is a bit of an advanced function on the echoplex, but once you get it > there's a lot of power there. We reused concepts like Multiply for this for > a reason. We hope that people learn the basics of the Echoplex while > playing with the simpler functions as they start out. Then as they move on > to deeper functions, they discover that they already know it! > > Similarly, there is time copy. This lets you copy the time base of one loop > into another, without the first loop's audio. This one is really just like > Insert! I'll leave it to you to explore that one. > > Hope that helps, > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 05:41:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA27632; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 05:40:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 05:40:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c0158a$e1677da0$0100a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: Re:Unsubscribe!/ EDP Undo function Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 02:39:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow- this is f*cking great news- how cool! Short press erases anything after the short press on that particular layer- LONG press erases the entire layer- and ending an Overdub with Undo simply puts the loop back as if there was no Overdub action taken- of course looking in the manual it explains it there- sorry, I admit I don't use the manual much- A.D.D. in action- I did use the PDF version on LD site to read the updated SwitchQuant section- PDF files are great- especially when you use the contents column on the left- so easy to get where you need to- I really don't understand the layout of the paper manual, but I am going to be using the PDF as it is so easy to use and find what you need right away- Kim, thanks for taking the time to answer my questions- I am so stoked on the Undo function now! I gotta go try it out right NOW! Bye! Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 2:13 AM Subject: Re: Re:Unsubscribe!/ EDP Undo function > Sounds like you need to learn the difference between a Long-Press Undo and > a Short-Press Undo. Check the manual under "undo", it is explained there. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 05:54:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA27856; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 05:54:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 05:54:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 02:50:28 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Handsonic list? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:52 PM -0700 9/2/00, Paolo Valladolid wrote: >It'd be pretty easy to create a new list at eGroups.com. I moderate a list >there and overall am satisfied enough to use them again for another new >list. corporate slave! All your labor and sweat, just makin' money for the man! haha, just kidding. a little labor day humor there. :-) ...but then, Yahoo owns eGroups now. Who knows what they're gonna do to it.... but whatever it is, I'd be willing to bet they don't ask your opinion first.... >Plus they have useful features like a two-step subscription process >wherein if somebody sends a subscription request, that person receives a >confirmation email to which he/she MUST reply from his/her OWN email address >before it will be added. It's not like LD where I can subscribe my cousin, >for example, as a prank. and in four years, something like that has never happened here! amazing, huh? And if it ever did, I would take that poor soul off right away and there would be no issue. Or maybe they would just read the new list member directions they receive at their OWN email address and follow them, and nobody would ever notice. Of course, once in a while we have somebody get subscribed because their kid or brother-in-law or one of their alternate personalities or whoever is using their email account. Sometimes they are confused about this and ask for help. And when that happens I, an actual human, help them out as necessary. Little harm is caused to the world. Seems kinda silly to trouble every single person on a list with all these extra security steps to save them from things that practically never occur, and are easily fixed when they do. Personally, I'm getting kinda tired of being forced to use technology that makes life more complicated instead of less. "Useless Security Mearsures for Paranoid Internet Users" are about at the top of my list lately.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 06:32:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28222; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 06:32:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 06:32:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000903103132.25337.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 03:31:32 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Looper's Delight! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8qmDU.A.W4G.Jiis5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Congrats Kim, I baked you a cake in the shape of a moebius strip. I am having trouble getting it out of the pan though. How do you put candles on this thing? Thanks for everything! John --- Kim Flint wrote: > The Looper's Delight list is four years old today. > How about that? > > Happy Birthday to us! > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 07:35:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA28834; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 07:35:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 07:35:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01c0159b$09ce40c0$9483abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: References: Subject: R: Happy Birthday Looper's Delight! Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 13:32:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tonight I will reserve and dedicate a personal loop to LD; it is going to be my first solo-concert. I think that, beside the "unsub..." various shows of common insanity, this list can give a lot to the ones who wants to find. So happy birthday to LD, and to all of you. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Flint To: Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 7:32 AM Subject: Happy Birthday Looper's Delight! > The Looper's Delight list is four years old today. How about that? > > Happy Birthday to us! > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 08:41:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29301; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:40:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:40:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000903083335.009596b0@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: floyd@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 08:37:27 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: EDP Multiply question In-Reply-To: <006101c0155d$39321820$0100a8c0@we.mediaone.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Cliff and Gary for your explanations of what you are trying to do. It's cool to hear how people are using (or trying to use) the nuances of the technology. Does the EDP keep the recirculating sound data in the digital domain? If so, and even if not, the use of a volume pedal to control the input level should work for multiplying a loop without recording new data into the copies. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 08:44:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29444; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:44:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:44:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39B2478A.717@club-internet.fr> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 14:43:54 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re : Happy birthday LD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Joyeux Anniversaire to all LD loopers And mostly to you, Kim, for your help Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 08:49:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29633; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:48:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:48:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000903084708.00960440@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: floyd@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 08:47:35 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Looper's Delight! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <4Rd0nB.A.mOH.kiks5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loop long and prosper! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 09:15:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30003; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 09:15:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 09:15:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000903092137.007b1550@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 09:21:37 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Looper's Delight! In-Reply-To: <20000903103132.25337.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:31 AM 9/3/00 -0700, John wrote: >... a cake in the shape of a moebius strip... Which side does the frosting go on? Congrats Kim! How much memory would a 4 year EDP loop take, anyway? Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 10:34:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30643; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 10:31:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 10:31:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.13.2.20000902235307.016d6560@mail.redmoon-music.com> References: <5.0.0.13.2.20000902235307.016d6560@mail.redmoon-music.com> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 10:29:46 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Handsonic list? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1JB-p.A.TeH.tBms5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >but... I don't know of a freebie listserver that doesn't have >something like that. if you use Topica, you can turn off ALL the ads... /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 10:53:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30998; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 10:52:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 10:52:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39B273F3.3543C064@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 07:53:23 -0800 From: joe & sheila Reply-To: onelonecrow@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Looper's Delight! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <19-LKB.A.yjH.VWms5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com De-lurking just long enough to say happy birthday, and thanks for such a wonderful list... 4 years already? Time is truly a strange beast............... joe Kim Flint wrote: > The Looper's Delight list is four years old today. How about that? > > Happy Birthday to us! > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 12:01:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31846; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:00:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:00:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000903105849.0082c110@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 10:58:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Echoplex - How Do I! ---- THANK YOU! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Everyone, Thanks for your help on the Echoplex question. I'm looping away. Will post some music on the web when I figure out how to do it. After years of playing live (off and on), my first all looping gig is September 16th. It's a solo performance at a major art opening. Should be interesting. Musical wallpaper stuff. Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 12:04:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31999; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:03:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:03:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000903110114.0087ddb0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 11:01:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Happy Birthday To Looper's Delight! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great group! Thank you for the information and forum in which to ask! Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 12:30:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32473; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:29:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:29:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 09:39:13 -0700 Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Looper's Delight! From: Kevin To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Happy Birthday Looper's Delight, and congratulations to Kim for two tremendous achievements...the co-spawning of the Echoplex Digital Pro...and this list being as rewarding as it is after four full years! Thank you with a great big MULTIPLY. The Roctologists (aka The LoOpdOctors) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 12:42:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00486; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:42:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:42:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <3f.9cfcb6c.26e3d909@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:40:41 EDT Subject: i loves the birthdays To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com only 4........ah youth........thanks kim and all LDers...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 13:18:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00910; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 13:18:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 13:18:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 13:17:34 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: mpx 1 mods? Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 172.169.50.134 Resent-Message-ID: <1aIBL.A.pN.teos5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anybody know of an mpx 1 mod to increase the delay time on that puppy? c.white Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Oh God another pcm 42 guy! this unit is my all time go-to looper box in the world-got mine back in the 80s(modded by B.Sellon) after seeing (hearing) D.TORN and he called it his '20 sec.looper' even tho' its really 19.2.That is-3.2 x 3=9.6sec. x 2=19.2sec. Anyway I luv it and use all parameters-halfing the loop,doubling the loop,using the clock out,VCO, and especially syncing it up to my EDP which opens a whole 'nother world.Good Luck...seeya,STANNER ---------- >From: Captain Liberal >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Lexicon pcm42 mods... >Date: Sat, Sep 2, 2000, 12:32 PM > >Hey, > >Finally joined the list here after lurking for quite a while... > >I just finished modifying my Lexicon pcm42 MEO per Bob Sellon's MEMX >instructions. I can't believe it, but it still works and it now has 19.3 >seconds of delay! > >Next up, memory expansion of my Delta Lab ADM-4096. I figure I should be >able to up the delay to about 24.5 seconds...maybe more (depending on how >much room there is inside the box). > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 14:01:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01582; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 13:59:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 13:59:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <24.a0a533e.26e3eb42@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 13:58:26 EDT Subject: Roland mods? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 146 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey y'alls... onct again I am sendink out the question: does anyone know/remember who it was did the memory mods on the Roland SDE3000 delays?... supposedly there is someone who can up the memory to a minute or so... whatever. specially any of you guys in the UK where I think this person was located... ok thanks RA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 14:29:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02044; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:28:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:28:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 13:16:49 -0700 From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Looper's Delight! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000f01c015e3$e4766de0$735cfea9@pavilion> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not muLch for birthdays, but i sure do appreciate this bunch . . . even the occasional Charles . . . drone on~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 16:27:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04236; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 16:26:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 16:26:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3f.9cfcb6c.26e3d909@aol.com> References: <3f.9cfcb6c.26e3d909@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 16:25:20 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: i loves the birthdays Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <16vpjD.A.xBB.6Ors5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >only 4........ah youth........thanks kim and all LDers...........michael 4 is over 200 years old in Internet years. Looper's Delight is, in fact, my "best list"! /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 17:03:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04807; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:03:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:03:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:02:21 EDT Subject: Dreaming Under Weather "Cloud Racing Dream Mountain" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 31 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Newly uploaded on mp3.com, A single from our album in work. Dan Tellez-guitar, processing, loops, John Marcell-guitar, string pad and James H. Sidlo- guitar, theremin guitar,loops. Let me know what you think! Later, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 17:22:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05142; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:22:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:22:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <63.aa61764.26e41aa5@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:20:37 EDT Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Looper's Delight! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 108 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com as a long time list reader....many happy returns of the day! b.helm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 18:06:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05676; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 18:05:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 18:05:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: mhamburg@mailsj-v1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:54:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Klein-clogging 1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Binding a couple OT threads together: As soon as Photoshop 6 is done, I plan on getting serious about getting a Klein. The question I've been pondering is whether or not to get a Sustainiac for it. Has anyone on the list done this? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 20:18:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07150; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:16:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:16:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 17:12:10 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Multiply question In-reply-to: <4.2.0.58.20000903083335.009596b0@192.168.0.1> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <006101c0155d$39321820$0100a8c0@we.mediaone.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:37 AM -0700 9/3/00, Floyd Miller wrote: >Thanks Cliff and Gary for your explanations of what you are trying to do. >It's cool to hear how people are using (or trying to use) the nuances of >the technology. > >Does the EDP keep the recirculating sound data in the digital domain? yes. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 20:52:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07645; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:51:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:51:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.161.234.180] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Looper's Delight! Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 20:50:27 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Sep 2000 00:50:27.0506 (UTC) FILETIME=[1DFE4120:01C0160A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, Thanks for continuing to run this list even though it must be a thankless job at times. I've personally benefitted tremendously from all the information that flies through here. Paolo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 22:54:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08833; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 22:53:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 22:53:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Echoplex review in GuitarOne Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 22:51:08 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Echoplex was reviewed in the new issue of GuitarOne here in the States. Gear reviews in magazines are pretty bland (something like 'if you are into looping, you may like this'), but it did mention something about Gibson working on a new manual. THe reviewer couldn't figure out how to use 'reverse' and didn't like the lack of 1/2 speed loops, but it was a positive review, and worth checking out. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 3 23:33:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09411; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 23:33:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 23:33:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39B3145C.8111243E@home.com> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 20:17:49 -0700 From: Damon Langlois Reply-To: damon-langlois@home.com Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05C-AtHome0403 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rich's Repeater questions References: <200009021643.MAA10673@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Rich, A few answers.... >Ok, here's the on topic question for our yet-to-be-seen Repeater. >They say that once you capture the loop, you have control over Tempo and >Pitch. Is this real-time? Ala Roland's Variphrase? Real time it is. >It seems like you would have to have alot of horsepower to record the loop, have it playing >and then adjust pitch or tempo on the fly (Roland says that you have to >'encode' the sample with their proprietary system before you can manipulate >the samples in real-time with the Variphrase). We have a few horses under the lid of Repeater. We also have some pretty smart guys working on the time-stretching and pitch shifting algorithms so no encoding necessary, just record and tweak. >Also, is it doing time-stretching? If i decide to change the pitch, does the tempo change, >or is the loop still locked to it's original length? If i change the >tempo, does the pitch change? Time and pitch can instantly be manipulated real time without effecting each other. >I really like the idea of the Boomerang update, with 'musical' speed >changes, but it seems that you have to stop the loop, change the speed and >start again. >I wonder how the Repeater is going to do it? I think it would open up a >pandora's box of harmonic possibilities if you could capture 4 loops and >then start changing pitches into 5ths, 7ths, octaves and such, yet still >keeping the loop length locked. That's the whole idea! >Another dreamy question...Synching two (or more) EDP's seems to be a very >sweet setup...Can two Repeaters be synched via the midi ports? Yep Damon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 4 01:08:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10555; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 01:08:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 01:08:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.13.2.20000903235746.016ef010@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.0.13 (Beta) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 00:03:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Rich's Repeater questions In-Reply-To: <39B3145C.8111243E@home.com> References: <200009021643.MAA10673@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich wrote: >I wonder how the Repeater is going to do it? I think it would open up a >pandora's box of harmonic possibilities if you could capture 4 loops and >then start changing pitches into 5ths, 7ths, octaves and such, yet still >keeping the loop length locked. Hi Rich; Lemme springboard something from this... My partner in crime and I recently wrote an article on loop based composition which is currently up online at the Electrix site: http://www.electrixpro.com/ click on "Views" in the top frame The article is written from the point of view of working with a MIDI sequencer, but... All that we talk about there, can also be done with Repeater. :) Mark and Amanda _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 4 01:11:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10688; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 01:10:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 01:10:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.13.2.20000904000349.02214d10@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.0.13 (Beta) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 00:06:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Handsonic list? In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.13.2.20000902235307.016d6560@mail.redmoon-music.com> <5.0.0.13.2.20000902235307.016d6560@mail.redmoon-music.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom Ritchford (09:29 AM 09.03.2000) wrote: >>but... I don't know of a freebie listserver that doesn't have something >>like that. > >if you use Topica, you can turn off ALL the ads... Ummm... then that's a new thing... I run one list now off of Topica (used to run a lot more) and one of the recent ads was: --- Sponsor's Message -------------------------------------- *** SAVE BIG on DSL & more with Demandline *** blah blah blah... with a Topica URL ------------------------------------------------------------ I know that on eGroups (for example) you can pay a fee to have the ads removed from your list messages. Is that maybe what you've seen on Topica? I'll poke around... Thanks Tom! Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 4 06:51:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13265; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 06:50:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 06:50:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 06:47:38 EDT Subject: Jamman on eBay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I posted my Jamman on eBay for anyone interested: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=427864534 Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 4 14:48:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17985; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 14:47:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 14:47:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.13.2.20000904000349.02214d10@mail.redmoon-music.com> References: <5.0.0.13.2.20000902235307.016d6560@mail.redmoon-music.com> <5.0.0.13.2.20000902235307.016d6560@mail.redmoon-music.com> <5.0.0.13.2.20000904000349.02214d10@mail.redmoon-music.com> Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 14:46:07 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Handsonic list? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The illustrious Mark Pulver writes: >Tom Ritchford (09:29 AM 09.03.2000) wrote: > > >>but... I don't know of a freebie listserver that doesn't have something > >>like that. > > > >if you use Topica, you can turn off ALL the ads... > >Ummm... then that's a new thing... I run one list now off of Topica >(used to run a lot more) and one of the recent ads was: > > --- Sponsor's Message -------------------------------------- > *** SAVE BIG on DSL & more with Demandline *** > blah blah blah... with a Topica URL > ------------------------------------------------------------ > >I know that on eGroups (for example) you can pay a fee to have the >ads removed from your list messages. Is that maybe what you've seen >on Topica? Not so. You can opt each of your lists out of the ad program and I've done that for all of my lists... go to http://topica.com/lists/MarksListNameHere/prefs/advertise.html and click on the link Marked "leave the network". And, they split the ad revenue with you if you do keep ads. A great deal! /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 4 17:59:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20070; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 17:58:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 17:58:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Cc: , , , , Subject: My experiences with the Handsonic (long, reveiw) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 15:02:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I tried the Handsonic in the store for about a couple of hours or so, read the manual and thought I'd post a quick review. Now, since I dearly love the concept of the hand drum controller, my ulterior motive in writing this is that this review will act as a straw man that can be pulled down by people with more experience with the toy. My overall experience suggested that it was designed 'down' for easy accessibility and instant 'look Ma! I'm playing techno!' gratification, rather than trying to break new ground or really excite developed musicians. Designing down and breaking new ground aren't mutually exclusive processes but for some reason they rarely go hand in hand; they didn't this time either, for the most part. 1. Control surface Not being a drummer of any kind, I must confess that my experience with drum surfaces is very limited. I've screwed around with V-drums, and bang on a few pots and pans, but that's about it. This thing was really great! You could mute a pad with one hand, and still bang it with the other, press deep on it to get pitch bends, or otherwise change the shape of the sound. The 'feel' left something to be desired - it wasn't the nice open bouncy feel you get from a stretched drum head like a v-drum, but I think it would be hard to do what this thing does with one. 2. Sounds and fx. a. This is the unit's biggest let down. Was it just me, or did there seem to be more >melodic< instruments than drum sets? If I wanted to play the xylophone, I'd get a piano keyboard! The melodic instruments were less responsive to controller changes than for example the talking drums or tabla, and most of them were crap. What filler. The african talking drums (change the pitch with the light beam controller), tabla (mutable; play with your fingertips) and other ethnic instruments were very fun to play, but the dozens of electronic drum emulations and 'techno' patches, with synth stabs and other early 90s pablisms got old really, really fast. Sure, you could always add your own sound module, but that would involve tons of programming to get the sounds to play right, and also lugging around tons of crap to play it. I don't have the time, and for a grand, I'd want someone to do a halfway decent job for me already. The worst part was the fact that no serious programming had been put into creating new sounds just for this instrument. This is absolute sacrilege. There was no wavedrum emulation, no attempt to even go in the direction of new sounds. The pathetic attempt to do so in the form of 'industrial' and 'noise' sets were just crappy noise samples, with no use at all - they just make very noisy, unmelodic soundscapes. No one's going to hear >anything< in this box on a cd and say, 'that's that cool Handsonic sound.' Overall, the sounds had a 'sampled' quality, albeit they were pretty good. Played in the middle of a loud mix, no-one would know you weren't playing the instruments live, but play the same note twice in succession, in a quiet room and no-one will be fooled. b. The effects were likewise tame, nothing interesting or even very useful in shaping the sound.. No resonant filters, which the instrument was practically crying out for. What's up with that? I'm supposed to get excited over a reverse reverb? Hey! It's not the eighties any more! Since you only have a single stereo out, you can't add effects after the fact, except to the whole kit. 3. Programming and midi a. It really didn't seem all that programmable. You couldn't for example set up to samples to crossfade on one pad, or do other forms of patch engineering. All in all it seemed you were expected to use the patches as they were, perhaps mixing instruments up to make your own 'palette' and assigning the various controllers to them. b. The midi implementation, as far as I could see, was adequate. It had local off, which was my main concern, and 4. Performance use a. There's an excellent 'roll' feature, which allows continued holding of a pad to retrigger the pad, instead of working as a damper against further hits, but the button was hard to toggle while playing, and couldn't be assigned to specific pads only. Why didn't they allow this to be assigned to something like a foot pedal, or make it a bigger button? I got into some kick ass jungle and bhangra style grooves just banging on the pads with it on, but it wasn't set up in a logical intelligent way. b. The 'loop' section was a good step in the right direction, allowing you to create loops and then assign them to pads for triggering on the fly. However, the creation wasn't something you could do easily on the stage, more of a set up presets and then play over them kind of thing. Hey! I can already do that with a cd player... c. The knob controllers were a pain to use - they seemed more designed for tweaking patches, than on the fly performance. The ribbon controllers seem under utilized in the factory patches, and I didn't have time to program them. All in all, it was OK. I'm itching to get one, just because it's the only game in town and I need to learn to drum and to perform my own drum parts, but it's definitely marketed to the kiddy crowd, and I know it would proably be a waste, even though it >so< close to what would excite me, and many other users. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 4 18:01:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20276; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:01:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:01:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Klein-clogging 1 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 15:05:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have one on my Steindberger. I agree - they cut tone and sustain. I was advised to replace the brass rollers with steel ones, but I'm not sure if this would do all that much to solve the problem, which is inherent in the way a string vibrates off a cylinder. Probalby wouldn't hurt, but I don't play guitar much any more, any way. bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. -----Original Message----- From: Martin Shellard [mailto:martins@pwdu.demon.co.uk] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 4:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Klein-clogging 1 Thanks Kevin This is exactly what I want to know, interesting point about the Transtrem, I kind of planned on getting one but if they don't work and cut tone .... Martin Shellard ---------- >From: KB305@aol.com > > OK, this was my response > > << > I got mine in Oct 1997. > Swamp ash, chambered, standard trem, Joe Barden pickups. > The TransTrem I liked less: it has less sustain, doesn't work that great > IMJ, and the tone is a little poorer for it. > Get the chambered body, it's full of many different tones. > I will never need another solid-body guitar. > This one goes on every gig. > It DOES change the way I play, like the promo says. > Lorenzo German is a beautiful cat as well. > Mine is right now in his hands: needs some fret dressing. (I've played > this 3-6 days per week for 3 years now.) All normal work is free. > I'd buy another one, but why? This is the best axe I've ever played. I > can't understand why you don't see more of them around, except that Lorenzo > won't give them away to potential endorsers. Torn, Frisell, Henry Kaiser: > they all had to pay for theirs. > It's worth every penny. > When I shipped mine to Klein this week I over-insured it, and I'd much > rather have the guitar back than a check for $4K from FedEx should they break it. > Call Lorenzo German at Klein. You won't regret it for a second. > > Does that help? > > Kevin > (see mine at http://members.aol.com/redroadtheband > or members.aol.com/kb305/kb305 and go the page labeled 'g' >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 4 18:04:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20422; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:03:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:03:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Win2k and Midi Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 15:07:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000201c01541$1ed97840$9d6202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Logic Audio doesn't work with win2k yet. Even 4.5. bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. -----Original Message----- From: Gregor Zavcer [mailto:gregor.zavcer@kiss.uni-lj.si] Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 6:43 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Win2k and Midi >Thanks- if only MIDI was good in Win2k- it is soooo much better than Win98 - > >Cliff > Could you be more specific please? I just have a win2k cd in front of me and now i don't know if i should install it? How would for example logic audio work? greetings, gregor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 4 18:04:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20558; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:04:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:04:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Happy Birthday Looper's Delight! Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 15:08:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Kim! It's my favourite list. bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. -----Original Message----- From: Alejandro Martínez [mailto:alexmartinez7@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 11:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Looper's Delight! >The Looper's Delight list is four years old today. How about that? > >Happy Birthday to us! > >kim Glad to hear that, I just subscribed myself 2 weeks ago, hope the list continues several years from now too. Alex. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 4 18:08:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20766; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:07:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:07:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Handsonic list? Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 15:10:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >...but then, Yahoo owns eGroups now. Who knows what they're gonna do to >it.... but whatever it is, I'd be willing to bet they don't ask your >opinion first.... Especially since everyone realized that Yahoo is seriously http://www.fuckedcompany.com fodder now. Be very afraid of greedy, >hungry< e-entrepreneurs... bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 2:50 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Handsonic list? At 9:52 PM -0700 9/2/00, Paolo Valladolid wrote: >It'd be pretty easy to create a new list at eGroups.com. I moderate a list >there and overall am satisfied enough to use them again for another new >list. corporate slave! All your labor and sweat, just makin' money for the man! haha, just kidding. a little labor day humor there. :-) >Plus they have useful features like a two-step subscription process >wherein if somebody sends a subscription request, that person receives a >confirmation email to which he/she MUST reply from his/her OWN email address >before it will be added. It's not like LD where I can subscribe my cousin, >for example, as a prank. and in four years, something like that has never happened here! amazing, huh? And if it ever did, I would take that poor soul off right away and there would be no issue. Or maybe they would just read the new list member directions they receive at their OWN email address and follow them, and nobody would ever notice. Of course, once in a while we have somebody get subscribed because their kid or brother-in-law or one of their alternate personalities or whoever is using their email account. Sometimes they are confused about this and ask for help. And when that happens I, an actual human, help them out as necessary. Little harm is caused to the world. Seems kinda silly to trouble every single person on a list with all these extra security steps to save them from things that practically never occur, and are easily fixed when they do. Personally, I'm getting kinda tired of being forced to use technology that makes life more complicated instead of less. "Useless Security Mearsures for Paranoid Internet Users" are about at the top of my list lately.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 4 18:56:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21311; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:51:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:51:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:50:50 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: My experiences with the Handsonic (long, reveiw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I tried the Handsonic in the store for about a couple of hours or so, read >the manual and thought I'd post a quick review. > >Now, since I dearly love the concept of the hand drum controller, my >ulterior motive in writing this is that this review will act as a straw man >that can be pulled down by people with more experience with the toy. My >overall experience suggested that it was designed 'down' for easy >accessibility and instant 'look Ma! I'm playing techno!' gratification, >rather than trying to break new ground or really excite developed musicians. oh-oh... >The worst part was the fact that no serious programming had been put into >creating new sounds just for this instrument. This is absolute sacrilege. >There was no wavedrum emulation, no attempt to even go in the direction of >new sounds. The pathetic attempt to do so in the form of 'industrial' and >'noise' sets were just crappy noise samples, with no use at all - they just >make very noisy, unmelodic soundscapes. No one's going to hear >anything< in >this box on a cd and say, 'that's that cool Handsonic sound.' oh, drat. and there's no wayto upgrade the sounds I assume... >b. The effects were likewise tame, nothing interesting or even very useful >in shaping the sound.. No resonant filters, which the instrument was >practically crying out for. What's up with that? I'm supposed to get excited >over a reverse reverb? Hey! It's not the eighties any more! > >Since you only have a single stereo out, you can't add effects after the >fact, except to the whole kit. arg! I live off effects! >3. Programming and midi > >a. It really didn't seem all that programmable. You couldn't for example set >up to samples to crossfade on one pad, or do other forms of patch >engineering. All in all it seemed you were expected to use the patches as >they were, perhaps mixing instruments up to make your own 'palette' and >assigning the various controllers to them. >b. The midi implementation, as far as I could see, was adequate. It had >local off, which was my main concern, and ... and? All in all, very glad to get this review. At least if I get it I'll know what I'm getting! /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 4 19:08:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21737; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 19:08:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 19:08:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 16:06:23 -0700 Subject: Klein/Sustainer From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought Kim had a purple chambered Klein, with the TransTrem and the Sustainer.... TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 4 20:35:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22441; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:34:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:34:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: My experiences with the Handsonic (long, reveiw) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 17:38:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <5_kXMD.A.DeF.29Dt5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. >>My >>overall experience suggested that it was designed 'down' for easy >>accessibility and instant 'look Ma! I'm playing techno!' gratification, >>rather than trying to break new ground or really excite developed musicians. > >oh-oh... Well, that's Roland for you, pretty much. > >oh, drat. and there's no wayto upgrade the sounds I assume... > Nope. You could control an external sound module, but that kind of kills the point of having all that stuff on board. From my own point of view, I'm rather tired of 'lots of programming to get it to do what you want' instruments. If I want that, I can use reactor, which is what I'd probably use the handsonic to control, latency and all. >>b. The effects were likewise tame, nothing interesting or even very useful >>in shaping the sound.. No resonant filters, which the instrument was >>practically crying out for. What's up with that? I'm supposed to get excited >>over a reverse reverb? Hey! It's not the eighties any more! >> >>Since you only have a single stereo out, you can't add effects after the >>fact, except to the whole kit. > >arg! I live off effects! It's pretty much a less than run-of-the-mill drum machine, with >excellent< hand drum sounds, tied to an cool controller surface but with a something to be desired UI and set up, and an unflexible architecture. It's still a lot of fun, but don't expect to be excited by anything but the hand drum/percussion emulations. >>b. The midi implementation, as far as I could see, was adequate. It had >>local off, which was my main concern, and > >... and? Sorry, I forgot. I think I was going to say something about external controllers, but you can midi all that in. >All in all, very glad to get this review. At least if I get it I'll know what >I'm getting! Like most Roland products, it struck me as lots of fun on the showroom floor, but after really banging it, I came up against dissapointment quickly. All I really wanted, apart from the usable control surface and the hand drum emulations, was some new sounds. It didn't deliver, unfortunately. I might get one anyway, especially if I can find one used, just to use as a controller in the studio. It doesn't seem like the kind of tool that will become replaced with newer ones soon. Definitely give it a good work out before you buy it, and remember what $1000 can buy you, outside of musical gear. As I said before, anyone who has one who can give me a different opinion >please< do so. I really want to hear from someone who's 'woken up with it in the morning' as it were. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 4 20:48:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22684; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:48:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:48:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 17:42:04 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Klein/Sustainer In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I thought Kim had a purple chambered Klein, with the TransTrem and the >Sustainer.... > no sustainer. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 4 21:12:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23186; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:12:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:12:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: XJ32@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:11:14 EDT Subject: Re: My experiences with the Handsonic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree almost completely with Jonathan's Handsonic review. I heard about them at the NAMM show in LA last January and have been drooling and waiting in anticipation for their release ever since. That was until July when I had a chance to play one for about a half hour at the Nashville summer NAMM. Jonathan nailed it perfectly THE SOUNDS ARE A HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT!!! Now, I own a Korg wavedrum and was hoping that this would be a great "compliment" to it. Not even close. The Wave drum inspires me to play it and program new and unheard of sounds. This is not possible on the Handsonic. I thought the samples were very run of the mill and vanilla. The programmability was virtually nil. Do not plan on tweaking and twisting the sounds into something new and exciting. I was at least hoping for the same type of editability as the V-Drum brain. No such luck. I am usually a big fan of Roland product (the new XV 3080 kicks serious ass), but the handsonic left me very cold. What good is a great controller (which it is) when the sound set sucks? - Paul Vnuk (Ma Ja Le) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 4 21:54:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23754; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:54:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:54:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:52:39 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: LD2 RA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just update Realserver software,just now LD2 stuff is not work .. I will fix this problem soon, I am fighting a lot of English texts now.. keep in touch Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 4 22:15:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24029; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:15:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:15:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:14:56 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: streaming today Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, My webcat is Today. http://ds.kobedenshi.ac.jp/dstv/9_5.html 6:30 - 7:30(GMT) Sunao http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 4 22:16:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24154; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:16:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:16:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:15:17 EDT Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #283 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/4/00 5:57:14 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: << I tried the Handsonic in the store for about a couple of hours or so, read the manual and thought I'd post a quick review. >> I anxiously awaited the release of the Handsonic too. I plan to use it live with Loopers. It was explained to me as being the "Hand" version of V-Drums, and that is exactly what it is. A really good playing interface with some pretty good, adequate sounds. I'll still probably get one, but my Unity DS-1 (Steve Reid) percussion samples are MUCH better than Roland's. I'll use it to program too.... John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 02:10:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27395; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:10:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:10:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 23:06:12 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Looper's Delight Sells Out! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, not completely. We didn't get bought out by Microsoft or anything. :-) If you have been to the List Archives at the Looper's Delight site recently, you've probably seen that I now have ad banners on the top of the page. ewwwwww! For example: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200008/ The fact is, Looper's Delight does cost money to operate. As the site grows and becomes more and more popular, the operating costs are going up too. Proceeds from the two Looper's Delight cd's contributed a tiny bit, and every now and then I get a whopping $4.95 check for being a Sonic Foundry affiliate. But for the most part it's all paid for by me, and it ain't getting any cheaper. So I'm going to seriously attempt to get the site financially self-sufficient. Time for our baby to grow up and support itself! :-) The ads rotating on the site now are more or less a trial run. I've got a couple of banners for the Looper's Delight CD projects on there, and a few of those lame affiliate programs I signed up for. The banner rotating scripts all seem to be functional, so I'm now going to start for real. (hopefully a few more cd's got sold recently. :-) In general I plan to only accept ads that are relevant to the LD community. So hopefully it won't be too horrifying. Now for the good news! The community of people here is what makes LD what it is. Without all of you, the site will be pretty lame. And these ads will be plastered at the top of all your babbling. :-) So! I'm going to have a Special Offer for list members! Anybody who has been a Looper's Delight mailing list subscriber for more than 1 month will get a ridiculously low, low price on Looper's Delight ad space for your own personal projects. That's right folks, your ad, splashed in front of the whole looper universe day in and day out, bringing you fame and fortune at a tiny fraction of the regular price! Advertise your cd, your band, a music book you wrote, your availabilty for gigs, a webcast, a gig, etc.! If you want more details, please email me. I'm not going to publish specifics on the list because I don't want people coming to me years from now demanding the same deal. :-) I think this will be a great way for people in this community publicize their projects to the people most likely to be interested. And I think, the ads we are all most interested in seeing will be the ones from people just like us! So hopefully this is a good addition to the site. Also, for those generous folks who would like to help out a little bit, this gives you a nice, clean way to support LD and it's future. And you *can* get a lot of publicity from this. The Looper's Delight Mailing List Archives section got about 140,000 hits last month, and it continues to rise! The site has about 50,000 unique user sessions per month. That's a lot of eyeballs for our crazy little niche in the world! Looking forward, I will try to always reserve some percentage of space for LD members. You're the community that makes this place, you should always get access. Again, remember the requirements for the Special Offer: a) you must be a list member, subscribed for more than one month. b) the advertisement is for your *own personal project*. This is not a way for you to get cheap advertising for the company you work for and get brownie points with the boss! If you are interested, email me! If you do work for a company that would like to advertise on Looper's Delight, let me know. I'm going to start selling ads for that too. (and this is an excellent opportunity for some of you to clear your corporate consciences and pony up for all the free publicity you get here. :-) Thanks! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 03:37:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA28064; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 03:36:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 03:36:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01C0171D.2D686280.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: AW: Dreaming Under Weather "Cloud Racing Dream Mountain" Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 09:32:24 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi James, > James H. Sidlo- guitar, theremin guitar, loops. ... I think we all want to know what a theremin guitar is. = michael peters = electronic music & strange attractors = http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 10:04:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32210; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:04:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:04:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <071a01c01741$90affe60$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Looper's Delight! Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 08:59:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just back from a Labor Day holiday. Just read the birthday news! H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y L O O P E R ' S D E L I G H T ! ! ! ! Kim, you have made a real contribution to the art of the loop by setting up and managing the LD site! And managing it with real class, too! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 10:30:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01073; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:30:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:30:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <07e001c01744$fc75d6d0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <5.0.0.13.2.20000901104647.01df9a10@mail.redmoon-music.com> Subject: Re: Peavey 1600x Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 09:24:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey thanks for the link! I don't have one of these yet, but it's near the top of my "things to get" list. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 11:18:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01866; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:18:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:18:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 00:17:07 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: fixed (Re: LD2 RA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I just fixed streaming problem for LD2 Real Audio. Please try to hear again: http://www.cavestudio.com/S+V/LD2_RA.html Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 11:59:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02628; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:58:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:58:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.76.82.65] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Handsonic list Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 11:58:12 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2000 15:58:12.0434 (UTC) FILETIME=[18087B20:01C01752] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom Wrote (concerning Topica vs eGroups): "Not so. You can opt each of your lists out of the ad program and I've done that for all of my lists... go to http://topica.com/lists/MarksListNameHere/prefs/advertise.html and click on the link Marked "leave the network". And, they split the ad revenue with you if you do keep ads. A great deal!" Tom, Does Topica have an uploadable Files section and a member-updatable Database section? eGroups has both of these features. The former is used extentively by the Tuning list for MIDI files, scale lattice charts, etc. The latter could be used for a FAQ, contact list, etc. I don't mean to turn this into a Topica vs eGroups debate. Just trying to do a feature comparison. Thanks, Paolo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 13:00:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03828; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:00:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:00:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008201c01759$7aa2ed40$a243e0d5@pandora.be> From: "Sound Mind" To: References: <11.87411c3.26db3f1b@aol.com> <007c01c010c2$db61e660$bd99b8d4@0006303921043200861239070001> Subject: FC200 'n' stuff Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:51:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Just when I was considering buying a foot pedal, I read that it was discontinued. I live near the Benelux Roland centre, and they still have it in their catalogue. It seems the most affordable decent one to me. Can I program chords under pedals, so I can play chord changes via the fc on my synth? Something else, how do you feel about Behringer? I'm very budget restricted, and use the Virtualizer and Modulizer as well as a mixer. My DL4 is in an aux path, so I can send my guitar, fx and synth signals through it. All pretty cheap stuff, but lotsa fun, and it even sounds good! Though I haven't played through TC and EDP's ofcourse. Ta , Jan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 13:24:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04168; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:23:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:23:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.76.82.65] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My experiences with the Handsonic (long, reveiw) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 13:23:04 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2000 17:23:05.0200 (UTC) FILETIME=[F38EE700:01C0175D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "My overall experience suggested that it was designed 'down' for easy accessibility and instant 'look Ma! I'm playing techno!' gratification, rather than trying to break new ground or really excite developed musicians." I find this true of virtually every Roland product. :) "2. Sounds and fx. a. This is the unit's biggest let down. Was it just me, or did there seem to be more >melodic< instruments than drum sets? If I wanted to play the xylophone, I'd get a piano keyboard! The melodic instruments were less responsive to controller changes than for example the talking drums or tabla, and most of them were crap. What filler." I am still trying to sort out which sounds, if any, are physically modeled and which are samples. There is no mention of COSM or physical modeling anywhere in the manual or the advertisements I have seen for the Handsonic. Can _all_ the sounds be programmed to respond to positional sensing, pressure, muting, etc. or just some of them? I'm still researching this when I have the time. "The african talking drums (change the pitch with the light beam controller), tabla (mutable; play with your fingertips) and other ethnic instruments were very fun to play, but the dozens of electronic drum emulations and 'techno' patches, with synth stabs and other early 90s pablisms got old really, really fast. Sure, you could always add your own sound module, but that would involve tons of programming to get the sounds to play right, and also lugging around tons of crap to play it. I don't have the time, and for a grand, I'd want someone to do a halfway decent job for me already." The only module I am thinking of adding right now is the Emu Xtreme Lead or Proteus 2000 as these modules have global microtonal tuning tables, decent scale resolution, and are not too expensive. "The worst part was the fact that no serious programming had been put into creating new sounds just for this instrument. This is absolute sacrilege." I suspect _all_ the sounds are sample-based (no physical modeling) and the editing facilities are limited. "b. The effects were likewise tame, nothing interesting or even very useful in shaping the sound.. No resonant filters, which the instrument was practically crying out for. What's up with that? I'm supposed to get excited over a reverse reverb? Hey! It's not the eighties any more!" I thought there is programmable filter resonance, but as part of the sound editing architecture rather than the effects section. I remember reading it in the "Editing sounds" section of the manual. "b. The midi implementation, as far as I could see, was adequate. It had local off, which was my main concern, and" The manual seems to indicate that it transmits polyphonic aftertouch, a feature you can't even find on 99% of the keyboard controllers out there. This is definitely one area I need to investigate further. "b. The 'loop' section was a good step in the right direction, allowing you to create loops and then assign them to pads for triggering on the fly. However, the creation wasn't something you could do easily on the stage, more of a set up presets and then play over them kind of thing. Hey! I can already do that with a cd player..." You can also do that with a cheap phrase sampler. :) I get your point, though. I figure if I want to do live looping with it, I either have to use an audio looper (which I do plan to do) or the internal sequencer. Using the audio looper and the sequencer together could be messy. Or maybe I could just trigger a sequence, loop that with the audio looper, turn off the sequence, play "live" and loop that, etc. I'm sure there's a workaround somewhere... "c. The knob controllers were a pain to use - they seemed more designed for tweaking patches, than on the fly performance. The ribbon controllers seem under utilized in the factory patches, and I didn't have time to program them." I agree in that I've only used the knobs to try to adjust the pitch of the Indonesian gongs to get a more authentic pelog or slendro tuning. The extra controllers (ribbons, D-beam) in general are underutilized. For example, for one preset the D-Beam triggers a loud gong no matter what hand motion I use. It _can_ be set up to respond more dynamically to hand speed and distance, but it more often than not is not set up that way in the presets. I only found one preset where the D-Beam actually varied in response to my hand position for a Theremin-like effect. "All in all, it was OK. I'm itching to get one, just because it's the only game in town and I need to learn to drum and to perform my own drum parts, but it's definitely marketed to the kiddy crowd, and I know it would proably be a waste, even though it >so< close to what would excite me, and many other users." The Handsonic is not perfect, but I have no regrets in my impulse buy of the display unit at the store. I saw it as a lower cost alternative to the Zendrum, an admittedly cool-looking $1400+ retail unit which probably has better MIDI implementation, but no built in sounds, D-beam, ribbons, internal sequencer (which _does_ support odd-time signatures, thank the Lord), etc. and no aftertouch. There are folks like Ikue Mori doing some amazing, creative stuff with lesser quality devices like Ikue's home-made drum machine controller - I'd love to hear her get her hands on a Handsonic. Paolo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 14:07:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04930; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:07:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:07:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:05:43 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Handsonic list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Does Topica have an uploadable Files section and a member-updatable >Database section? eGroups has both of these features. The former >is used extentively by the Tuning list for MIDI files, scale lattice >charts, etc. The latter could be used for a FAQ, contact list, etc. No, and these are nice features. Plus, I think eGroups has a calendar facility though not a very good one. Topica's worked very because all I want is text and mailing lists and no ads (and reliability of course.) /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 14:14:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05133; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:13:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:13:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:13:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: My experiences with the Handsonic (long, reveiw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com boy, would I love to get a copy of the manual for this. of course, Roland being Roland, there are no .pdf files on the complicated and uninformative /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 14:20:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05403; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:20:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:20:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.76.82.65] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: My experiences with the Handsonic (long, reveiw) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 14:18:50 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2000 18:18:51.0107 (UTC) FILETIME=[BDDFCB30:01C01765] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "> >oh, drat. and there's no wayto upgrade the sounds I assume... > Nope. You could control an external sound module, but that kind of kills the point of having all that stuff on board. From my own point of view, I'm rather tired of 'lots of programming to get it to do what you want' instruments. If I want that, I can use reactor, which is what I'd probably use the handsonic to control, latency and all." I am mainly interested in using an external module for the microtunability. I have not been able to tune any of the internal sounds in steps smaller than 50 cents (a quarter-tone). You can only program a 24-ET scale, which is severely limiting. "It's pretty much a less than run-of-the-mill drum machine, with >excellent< hand drum sounds, tied to an cool controller surface but with a something to be desired UI and set up, and an unflexible architecture. It's still a lot of fun, but don't expect to be excited by anything but the hand drum/percussion emulations." This is a fair assessment, which I agree with. There are still a number of things which I need to investigate further, such as if _all_ the internal sounds are samples, or if some of them are physically modeled. If the former, then conceivably, _any_ of the sounds can be set up to be controlled with muting, palm heel pressure, positional sensing, etc. and other techniques afforded by the V-Drum type triggering technology. More significantly, can the V-Drum-type triggering be made to work with external MIDI sounds? How about the D-Beam and ribbons? If yes, that would be majorly cool in my book. If not, I'm satisfied with the internal sounds that _are_ V-controllable. Speaking of the hand percussion emulations, I must say I like the manual's little section on how to play like a conga drummer. If sections were added to explain simple udu, talking drum, and tabla techniques (as played on Handsonic) that alone would make the manual a lot better. Fortunately, I did have some tabla instruction... Keep in mind all my comments have been posted without the benefit of having seen the Handsonic demo video, which I did order from Roland. Bottom line is, YOU as the customer need to decide if the Handsonic is right for YOUR needs for the asking price. The closest thing out there is the Zendrum and it is several hundred dollars more expensive without the V-drum technology (for muting, pressure sensitivity, etc.), the extra controllers (D-Beam, ribbons), built-in sounds, or sequencer. I know for what I want to do, the answer was "yes". Hopefully the posts on these threads have been of assistance. Paolo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 14:25:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05712; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:24:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:24:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: My experiences with the Handsonic (long, reveiw) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:28:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <1vm3UB.A.pYB.MpTt5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Find a store near you that has one to try out (you'll need that too, since despite all the criticism I've been heaping on it, I'm still undecided) if they have one on show, they usually have a manual nearby, too :> bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Ritchford [mailto:tom@swirly.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 11:13 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My experiences with the Handsonic (long, reveiw) boy, would I love to get a copy of the manual for this. of course, Roland being Roland, there are no .pdf files on the complicated and uninformative /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 14:42:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06107; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:41:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:41:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: My experiences with the Handsonic (long, reveiw) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:45:05 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I am still trying to sort out which sounds, if any, are physically modeled >and which are samples. There is no mention of COSM or physical modeling >anywhere in the manual or the advertisements I have seen for the Handsonic. >Can _all_ the sounds be programmed to respond to positional sensing, >pressure, muting, etc. or just some of them? I'm still researching this >when I have the time. They are >all< multi-samples, as far as I could tell. Take the most intricate, such as the tabla or talking drum. Hit it twice in succession at the same level; same sample. Pretty good multisampling though. > >The only module I am thinking of adding right now is the Emu Xtreme Lead or >Proteus 2000 as these modules have global microtonal tuning tables, decent >scale resolution, and are not too expensive. Right now he says... right now... just wait till tomorrow, when the new toys arrive :> >>"The worst part was the fact that no serious programming had been put into >>creating new sounds just for this instrument. This is absolute sacrilege." > >I suspect _all_ the sounds are sample-based (no physical modeling) and the >editing facilities are limited. Sounded that way to me :< The manual was mainly concerned with assigning controllers - there was little more you could do with a sound. >>"b. The effects were likewise tame, nothing interesting or even very useful >>in shaping the sound.. No resonant filters, which the instrument was >>practically crying out for. What's up with that? I'm supposed to get excited >>over a reverse reverb? Hey! It's not the eighties any more!" > >I thought there is programmable filter resonance, but as part of the sound >editing architecture rather than the effects section. I remember reading it >in the "Editing sounds" section of the manual. > That's a step in the right direction, though I don't think I heard any really heavy use of it in the factory presets. I was hoping for screaming, howling, squelching drum kits... >"b. The midi implementation, as far as I could see, was adequate. It had >local off, which was my main concern, and" > >The manual seems to indicate that it transmits polyphonic aftertouch, a >feature you can't even find on 99% of the keyboard controllers out there. >This is definitely one area I need to investigate further. It is a percussion controller, so one would assume this was more necessary than on a keyboard. >>"b. The 'loop' section was a good step in the right direction, allowing you >>to create loops and then assign them to pads for triggering on the fly. >>However, the creation wasn't something you could do easily on the stage, >>more of a set up presets and then play over them kind of thing. Hey! I can >>already do that with a cd player..." > >You can also do that with a cheap phrase sampler. :) I get your point, >though. I figure if I want to do live looping with it, I either have to use >an audio looper (which I do plan to do) or the internal sequencer. Using >the audio looper and the sequencer together could be messy. Or maybe I >could just trigger a sequence, loop that with the audio looper, turn off the >sequence, play "live" and loop that, etc. I'm sure there's a workaround >somewhere... Being able to trigger patterns and fills is a good thing on it's own for use rhythmically challenged, even if you can't set them up on the fly. Too bad that most of the drums are so unexciting. I can't believe they didn't include a junglist set. >>"c. The knob controllers were a pain to use - they seemed more designed for >>tweaking patches, than on the fly performance. The ribbon controllers seem >>under utilized in the factory patches, and I didn't have time to program >>them." > >I agree in that I've only used the knobs to try to adjust the pitch of the >Indonesian gongs to get a more authentic pelog or slendro tuning. The extra >controllers (ribbons, D-beam) in general are underutilized. For example, >for one preset the D-Beam triggers a loud gong no matter what hand motion I >use. It _can_ be set up to respond more dynamically to hand speed and >distance, but it more often than not is not set up that way in the presets. >I only found one preset where the D-Beam actually varied in response to my >hand position for a Theremin-like effect. Good point. Those controllers could really make the toy shine, especially when combined with pattern based loop or trigger playback, so you can have stuff going on and pitch them in real time. It's not all bad :> bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. -----Original Message----- From: Paolo Valladolid [mailto:phv40@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 10:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My experiences with the Handsonic (long, reveiw) http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 15:04:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06633; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:03:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:03:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.19.2.20000905135857.02c55eb0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.0.19 (Beta) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 14:01:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: RE: My experiences with the Handsonic (long, reveiw) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jonathan El-Bizri (01:45 PM 09.05.2000) wrote: >>I am still trying to sort out which sounds, if any, are physically modeled >>and which are samples. There is no mention of COSM or physical modeling >>anywhere in the manual or the advertisements I have seen for the Handsonic. > >They are >all< multi-samples, as far as I could tell. Take the most >intricate, such as the tabla or talking drum. Hit it twice in succession at >the same level; same sample. Pretty good multisampling though. If you can stand the Roland site long enough, you'll find this statement: The HPD-15 HandSonic is an electronic hand percussion multi-pad with triggering capabilities derived from breakthrough V-drums technology. Divided into 15 parts, the HPD-15 allows hand percussionists to play up to 300 realistic acoustic and electronic percussion sounds -- 15 simultaneously -- with all the sensitivity that the Roland V-drums are famous for. So, this sounds like the _triggers_ may of come from the V-Drum boxes, but that the sounds may not of. I coulda' sworn though that Roland was claiming V-Drum modeling in the sounds as well. None-the-less. I do like mine! Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 15:26:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07236; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:24:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:24:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.247.186.99] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: I'm performing in San Francisco Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:22:46 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2000 19:22:46.0704 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC117300:01C0176E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey guys, Just wanted to post this, in case anyone was interested in seeing a fellow looper. Thanks! Matt **Thursday - September 21 "An evening of the ironic, the pre-ironic, and the post-ironic," curated by Steev Hise 8pm Detroit-residing, Bob Boster (audio collage, sound processing) This performance includes work a new work of collage which moves the trope into a surprising new transmission vector. "manage(s) to achieve a sublimely disorienting collage that stands alone as mind-expanding experimental music." --Charlie Bertsch 9pm Matt Davignon (audio equipment and a crate of thrift store records and CDs) In this show Matt will be playing Turntable and CD player with loopers. 10pm M3t@ (recursive conceptualizing) At this event M3t@ will be presenting a brief site-specific time-based work entitled "Luggage Store Site-Specific Time-Based Work." "Uh, Meta? No, haven't heard of them."  -Greil Marcus THE LUGGAGE STORE GALLERY 1007 Market Street (2nd Floor) at 6th St., one block from Powell Street BART, San Francisco. It is a non-profit corporation funded by the City of San Francisco, grants, and your contribuitions. We ask that you contribute 6-10 dollars. All Ages welcome, no one refused for lack of funds. Info: 415.255.5971 or luggagestore@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 16:07:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07839; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:02:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:02:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c01773$f77e47a0$676202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: Win2k and Midi Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:49:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Logic Audio doesn't work with win2k yet. Even 4.5. > >bIz > > bah, what's better in win2k then??:)) looks like a step back...:))) greetings, gregor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 16:07:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07735; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:52:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:52:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000905194319.74729.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:43:19 -0700 (PDT) From: abduction scene Subject: OT: tremolo pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all: Apologies for the OT post. Any recommendations for a good, sturdy tremolo pedal, reasonably priced, that i can use for either electric bass or electric guitar (or anything else, for that matter). I'm looking for something that isn't going to lop off the bottom end of the bass sound, but will also sound good on other instruments. I just want some direction before i walk into a Mars or GC or somewhere, since i can barely stand to be in those places for more than 15 minutes. Thought i'd ask what fellow loopers use. Thanks, -abduction- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 16:12:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08134; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:08:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:08:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000905194319.74729.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:54:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: OT: tremolo pedal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are interested in a used one, try finding a Boss PN-2 Tremelo/Pan. I've used mine for nearly 10 years without a hitch...Great tremelo with settings more extreme than many others. A bit noisy, especially when on AC power. Should be able to find one floating around the $100 range? If you want to spend some dollars, check out Electrix's MO-FX, which has a tremelo that can synch to midi clock, band-selection, and a variety of waveform shapes. Also, for the price you get delay, flange, distortion and insert jacks to boot. As for your loathing of giant corporate music stores...Be Strong...and remember, practice makes perfect. The more you go, the more you can stand it. Like perfecting a callous. Hell, i can spend hours in there now...even when i know more about the product than the spikey haired, chained wallet, tongue pierced salesdude who can't quite figure out how this damned thing works..."uhhhh, lemme get the manager". apologies to any spikey haired, chained wallet, tongue pierced salesdudes on the list... rich >Hi all: > >Apologies for the OT post. > >Any recommendations for a good, sturdy >tremolo pedal, reasonably priced, that >i can use for either electric bass or >electric guitar (or anything else, for >that matter). I'm looking for something >that isn't going to lop off the bottom >end of the bass sound, but will also >sound good on other instruments. > >I just want some direction before i walk >into a Mars or GC or somewhere, since i >can barely stand to be in those places for >more than 15 minutes. Thought i'd ask what >fellow loopers use. > >Thanks, > >-abduction- > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 16:39:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08768; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:21:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:21:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41308D9@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: tremolo pedal Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:16:23 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any recommendations for a good, sturdy tremolo pedal, reasonably priced, that i can use for either electric bass or electric guitar (or anything else, for that matter). I'm looking for something that isn't going to lop off the bottom end of the bass sound, but will also sound good on other instruments. ** i think that the fulltone supa-trem is quite nice used for 6-string bass). you may want to try the pres. elec. throb or some voodoo labs as well. stig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 16:48:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09164; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:43:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:43:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000905203410.20654.qmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:34:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: Handsonic list? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5MHTCB.A.GMC.TpVt5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I vote yes for creating a handsonic list...I almost got around to starting one on egroups.com last week, but burning man prep and shrinking work timelines got in the way....i already moderate an mc-80 list there. I imagine folks here at loopers delight can only tolerate so much handsonic discussion, since it's not really a looping gizmo. paolo, you want to set it up or should I? is there a consensus on egroups.com? --- Paolo Valladolid wrote: > Any interest in a Handsonic mailing list? ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 16:49:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09232; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:45:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:45:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000905204436.17035.qmail@web207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:44:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: RE: My experiences with the Handsonic (long, reveiw) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where did you find a handsonic video? i've searched both rolandus.com sites and couldn't find it. How long is it, do you know? thanks stephen > Keep in mind all my comments have been posted > without the benefit of having > seen the Handsonic demo video, which I did order > from Roland. ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 17:04:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09573; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:50:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:50:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.218.207.248] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 14:58:57 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2000 19:58:57.0766 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA1F3860:01C01773] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Kim, How are you? I would like to purchase banner space to support my projects. Pleas emai me with a price. Thanks, Jeremiah >From: Kim Flint >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Looper's Delight Sells Out! >Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 23:06:12 -0700 > > >Well, not completely. We didn't get bought out by Microsoft or anything. >:-) > >If you have been to the List Archives at the Looper's Delight site >recently, you've probably seen that I now have ad banners on the top of the >page. ewwwwww! For example: > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200008/ > > >The fact is, Looper's Delight does cost money to operate. As the site grows >and becomes more and more popular, the operating costs are going up too. >Proceeds from the two Looper's Delight cd's contributed a tiny bit, and >every now and then I get a whopping $4.95 check for being a Sonic Foundry >affiliate. But for the most part it's all paid for by me, and it ain't >getting any cheaper. So I'm going to seriously attempt to get the site >financially self-sufficient. Time for our baby to grow up and support >itself! :-) > >The ads rotating on the site now are more or less a trial run. I've got a >couple of banners for the Looper's Delight CD projects on there, and a few >of those lame affiliate programs I signed up for. The banner rotating >scripts all seem to be functional, so I'm now going to start for real. >(hopefully a few more cd's got sold recently. :-) In general I plan to >only accept ads that are relevant to the LD community. So hopefully it >won't be too horrifying. > > >Now for the good news! > >The community of people here is what makes LD what it is. Without all of >you, the site will be pretty lame. And these ads will be plastered at the >top of all your babbling. :-) > >So! > >I'm going to have a Special Offer for list members! Anybody who has been a >Looper's Delight mailing list subscriber for more than 1 month will get a >ridiculously low, low price on Looper's Delight ad space for your own >personal projects. That's right folks, your ad, splashed in front of the >whole looper universe day in and day out, bringing you fame and fortune at >a tiny fraction of the regular price! Advertise your cd, your band, a music >book you wrote, your availabilty for gigs, a webcast, a gig, etc.! > >If you want more details, please email me. I'm not going to publish >specifics on the list because I don't want people coming to me years from >now demanding the same deal. :-) > >I think this will be a great way for people in this community publicize >their projects to the people most likely to be interested. And I think, the >ads we are all most interested in seeing will be the ones from people just >like us! So hopefully this is a good addition to the site. Also, for those >generous folks who would like to help out a little bit, this gives you a >nice, clean way to support LD and it's future. > >And you *can* get a lot of publicity from this. The Looper's Delight >Mailing List Archives section got about 140,000 hits last month, and it >continues to rise! The site has about 50,000 unique user sessions per >month. That's a lot of eyeballs for our crazy little niche in the world! > >Looking forward, I will try to always reserve some percentage of space for >LD members. You're the community that makes this place, you should always >get access. > >Again, remember the requirements for the Special Offer: > >a) you must be a list member, subscribed for more than one month. > >b) the advertisement is for your *own personal project*. This is not a > way for you to get cheap advertising for the company you work for > and get brownie points with the boss! > >If you are interested, email me! > >If you do work for a company that would like to advertise on Looper's >Delight, let me know. I'm going to start selling ads for that too. (and >this is an excellent opportunity for some of you to clear your corporate >consciences and pony up for all the free publicity you get here. :-) > > >Thanks! >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 17:48:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10479; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:47:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:47:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 17:40:24 EDT Subject: RE: Klein-clogging 1 To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <85.4c12b3.26e6c249@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com huh! i really enjoy the TransTrem; it does indeed 'work', for me!; predictable, consistent pitchbending being the focus of my TransTrem useage. for the last few years, the materials that the bridges were made from *do* tend to suck a bit of tone, yeah, but: not *that* much. the Klein TransTrem guitars are still my mainstays, after more than 10 years. best, dt From: Martin Shellard [mailto:martins@pwdu.demon.co.uk] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 4:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Klein-clogging 1 Thanks Kevin This is exactly what I want to know, interesting point about the Transtrem, I kind of planned on getting one but if they don't work and cut tone .... Martin Shellard ---------- >From: KB305@aol.com > > OK, this was my response > > << > I got mine in Oct 1997. > Swamp ash, chambered, standard trem, Joe Barden pickups. > The TransTrem I liked less: it has less sustain, doesn't work that great > IMJ, and the tone is a little poorer for it. > Get the chambered body, it's full of many different tones. > I will never need another solid-body guitar. > This one goes on every gig. > It DOES change the way I play, like the promo says. > Lorenzo German is a beautiful cat as well. > Mine is right now in his hands: needs some fret dressing. (I've played > this 3-6 days per week for 3 years now.) All normal work is free. > I'd buy another one, but why? This is the best axe I've ever played. I > can't understand why you don't see more of them around, except that Lorenzo > won't give them away to potential endorsers. Torn, Frisell, Henry Kaiser: > they all had to pay for theirs. > It's worth every penny. > When I shipped mine to Klein this week I over-insured it, and I'd much > rather have the guitar back than a check for $4K from FedEx should they break it. > Call Lorenzo German at Klein. You won't regret it for a second. > > Does that help? > > Kevin > (see mine at http://members.aol.com/redroadtheband > or members.aol.com/kb305/kb305 and go the page labeled 'g' >> > > >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 17:53:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10704; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:53:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:53:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:55:40 -0600 (MDT) From: the Reverend Rob To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: tremolo pedal In-Reply-To: <20000905194319.74729.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, abduction scene wrote: > I just want some direction before i walk > into a Mars or GC or somewhere, since i > can barely stand to be in those places for > more than 15 minutes. Thought i'd ask what > fellow loopers use. I haven't found a pedal that produces the range of tremolo sounds I'm happy with. I've tried (and owned) most of the current production models, including the Boss and Voodoo Labs, and just wasn't happy with what they put out. Thankfully, one of the fellow loopers here sold me an ancient Yamaha REX-50 desktop/amptop unit that fills that role admirably. The stereo pan is decent, with total control over filters and modulation, and I discovered that if you tweak a chorus patch (probably will work on other units) past the range of 'musically useful' that it starts generating a very nice vibrato sound. For live use, it's either that or the built-in trem on my Sunn Solos II combo. 93/156 the Reverend Rob http://www.mp3.com/thereverendrob : feedback and echo mp3s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 17:59:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11095; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:59:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:59:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Cody Davis" To: Subject: loops from instruments in a classical symphony Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:56:49 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <6jq7DD.A.nsC.RyWt5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where can I locate royalty-free music loops from instruments in a classical symphony. What I want to do is put together a dramatic film score by looping if that is possible. All I have seen is funky guitar and drum loops plus sound effects. Cody Davis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 18:03:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11328; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:03:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:03:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000905180846.007beb80@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:08:46 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT: tremolo pedal In-Reply-To: <20000905194319.74729.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a Boss TR-2 which is okay, but if you can find the older, discontinued PN-2, it's way better. Check the archives for a pretty exhaustive thread on tremolo units last October... Tim At 12:43 PM 9/5/00 -0700, you wrote: >Any recommendations for a good, sturdy >tremolo pedal... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 18:43:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11905; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:31:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:31:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000905183657.007bc7c0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:36:57 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: loops from instruments in a classical symphony In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Big Fish Audio makes CD-ROMs in various formats. Titles include Orchestra Gold, Orchestral Strings and Orchestral Collection. East-West has Advanced Orchestra, Orchestra, Orchestral Colors, Scoring Tools and one you might like called Film Collection. >From Emu-Ensoniq there's Peter Siedlaczek's Advanced Orchestra. Ilio/Synclaver has Synclavier Orchestral. Sweetwater Sound offers Classical Instruments and various Power Translators to allow you to use Roland format discs such as Brass Sections, Orchestral Percussion, Orchestral Winds and String Sections. I'm not sure which of these are still in production or what format you're looking for (audio cd, cd-rom, mixed-mode, floppy, patches/samples for your particular synth or sampler, etc.), but on the other hand, I'm sure there are lots of others I didn't list. Tim At 04:56 PM 9/5/00 -0500, you wrote: >Where can I locate royalty-free music loops from instruments in a classical >symphony. What I want to do is put together a dramatic film score by looping >if that is possible. All I have seen is funky guitar and drum loops plus >sound effects. >Cody Davis > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 18:55:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12485; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:44:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:44:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39B55FE8.1BBCEF5B@voicenet.com> Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 17:04:40 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tremolo pedal References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41308D9@migarexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Any recommendations for a good, sturdy tremolo pedal, reasonably priced, > that > i can use for either electric bass or electric guitar (or anything else, > for that matter). Dunlop TS1 Tremolo is *the* best made, most flexible, tremolo I have ever seen. Adjustable waveform balance, Stereo or mono configurations, built like a tank, Big juicy silver knobs which are easy to use in any environment, and runs quiet nicely on a single 9VT even with multiple LEDs and such. ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 18:56:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12851; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:52:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:52:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200009052251.PAA07434@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 15:52:18 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: tremolo pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As a SURFZOID-LOOPER I am super dependent on a quality trem unit w/ clean on-off sound of the note(s) so I recommend the PN-2(stay away from the TR-2-not even similar!). They are kinda hard to find ,but well worth it-and being a BOSS they can take a kickin' IMHO...seeya,STANNER ---------- >From: Tim Nelson >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: OT: tremolo pedal >Date: Tue, Sep 5, 2000, 3:08 PM > >I use a Boss TR-2 which is okay, but if you can find the older, >discontinued PN-2, it's way better. Check the archives for a pretty >exhaustive thread on tremolo units last October... > >Tim > >At 12:43 PM 9/5/00 -0700, you wrote: >>Any recommendations for a good, sturdy >>tremolo pedal... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 18:56:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12635; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:46:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:46:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39B57782.B5587180@hoover-keith.com> Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 17:45:22 -0500 From: "Ryan D. Supak" X-Sender: "Ryan D. Supak" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: loops from instruments in a classical symphony (alternate method) References: <3.0.5.32.20000905183657.007bc7c0@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com another method is to go find old classical records in thrift stores. in many cases, these records are from extremely defunct record companies, so you're off the royalty hook if you play it smart. another advantage to this is that, timbrally speaking, your sounds are going to be pretty darn unique, compared to the Year 2000 production standard. r.s. (np: "Atlantis" - Donovan) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 19:27:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13704; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:25:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:25:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 23:38:25 +0100 Subject: Re: Klein-clogging 1 From: "Martin Shellard" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the info dt. The transtrem looks intriguing but I'm not really sure what I'd do with it. What kind of musical applications would you say it has? ---------- >From: Texture444@aol.com >To: >Subject: RE: Klein-clogging 1 >Date: Tue, Sep 5, 2000, 10:40 pm > > huh! > i really enjoy the TransTrem; it does indeed 'work', for me!; predictable, > consistent pitchbending being the focus of my TransTrem useage. > for the last few years, the materials that the bridges were made from *do* > tend to suck a bit of tone, yeah, but: > not *that* much. > the Klein TransTrem guitars are still my mainstays, after more than 10 years. > best, > dt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 19:33:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14003; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:31:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:31:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:15:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: OT: tremolo pedal Resent-Message-ID: <25MVvC.A.pZD.vFYt5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>I just want some direction before i walk >into a Mars or GC or somewhere, since i >can barely stand to be in those places for >more than 15 minutes. Thought i'd ask what >fellow loopers use. And i felt compelled to tell you my most recent GC story, involving my tremelo (to keep it on topic about an off topic discussion). Boss has an independent repair service that does all of the repair work brought into Guitar Center in Southern California. You drop off your product at GC, the repair center picks it up, fixes it, and drops it off back at GC where you come and fetch it. I had reason to call this repair center about fixing my Boss Tuner, which failed while under warranty. While i was on the phone, i asked the helpful gentleman on the phone..."Hey, i've got a old Boss PN-2 tremelo/pan that's had alot of miles on it...could i get the input and output jacks replaced? They are getting a little scratchy." His reply was "Sure! Hell, it's the same design, we can do that for you! Just take it in to Guitar Center, we're down there every thursday for pickups and dropoffs". So, i finally get around to doing just that, and i walk in to Guitar Center (where i have to wait in line to have the serial number of my stompbox listed....oooh gosh, that guy that shops here all the time is stealing a discontinued pedal!!!) and i proceed to the accessories counter. The salesmen is pretty confused already when i say i want to repair my pedal that still works by replacing the input and output jacks via the repair center. So, after much prodding, he has to look up the pedal, so he can make a repair receipt. (insert lots of waiting here) The Boss PN-2 is no longer manufactured, and thus, is no longer listed as an item on Guitar Center's computers. He looked and looked and couldn't find the pedal. What to do? He gets another guy to help to no avail. (insert more waiting here). Finally, i say "what's the problem? i've already spoken to the repair center and they said it was cool.." Conclusion? Because GC cannot find a SKU of my pedal, they actually CAN'T check it in on a repair reciept. Even though i had my little green baby right in my hands in front of them, they couldn't do a damn thing... So i suggest "Do i just need to send it to the repair center myself?" "Yeah, dude, that's what you should do" Service...what service. When you have access to the WalMart of musical instruments, i guess we're shoppin' for price and not too much else. seeya all later, and Kim? HAPPY BIRTHDAY FOR LOOPERS DELIGHT! I have learned so much here... Thanks to all. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 20:19:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14906; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:19:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:19:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQWoFU4F+Zwzpa/DFqhW50R3QMO/gIUTnAywUIcheWjB4gn8a30bT9+QDk= From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:43:21 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Dusty Burning Man Message-ID: <12293-39B58519-2644@storefull-113.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fellow Loopers- As a first-timer to Burning man; I was hesitant to bring my looping gear (or ANYTHING of value for that matter) because of stories about the dust storms... WHAT A GOOD DECISION THAT TURNED OUT TO BE !!! To say it's an extremely dusty environment only begins to describe the adverse conditions that exists there. I really had a great time... it was so much more elaborate than I expected... SO much creativity there... I probably only saw 10% of it too. Next year I would really like to bring some gear and am curious how others managed. -Jordan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 20:21:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15105; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:21:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:21:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007201c01798$51588f00$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "Brian Mulvey" To: References: Subject: Re: loops from instruments in a classical symphony Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:20:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Probably not going to be able to locate a CD of orchestral _loops_, though I have seen orchestral sample collections. Perhaps get one of those and start sampling, and tweaking.. adjusting.. to make your own loops from it, or better yet.. go to your local thrift store and nick some loops off .10 classical LPs.. ******************** Any day now - the year of the Diamond Dogs.. "This ain't Rock n' Roll... this is Genocide." BOWIE '74 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 20:47:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15577; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:47:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:47:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: loops from instruments in a classical symphony Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:45:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Brian, >or better yet.. go to your local thrift store and >nick some loops off .10 classical LPs.. You will be happy to note that Repeater has a built in phono preamp for that very purpose! Best Regards, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix / IVL "No Creative Barriers" Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 5 21:25:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16283; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:25:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:25:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <9b.9f790e8.26e6f69f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:23:43 EDT Subject: Re: FC200 'n' stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/5/00 1:00:20 PM, soundmind@pandora.be writes: >Can I >program chords under pedals, so I can play chord changes via the fc on >my >synth? You can send MIDI note-on messages, so if you can program your synth to play chords, or retune sequences via single note messages, this should be possible. There are also a selection MIDI Machine Control messages, but I haven't explored this aspect of teh pedal, or MIDI, for that matter...I enjoy my FC-200, but use it in a pretty conventioonal way--good luck! David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 00:31:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17855; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 00:30:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 00:30:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.161.234.174] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: My experiences with the Handsonic (long, reveiw) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 00:30:02 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2000 04:30:02.0921 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FFA8990:01C017BB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "They are >all< multi-samples, as far as I could tell. Take the most intricate, such as the tabla or talking drum. Hit it twice in succession at the same level; same sample. Pretty good multisampling though." I tried playing around with the sound programming; tweaking and stuff while digging into the manual. However for all my effort tonight, I could not verify my hypothesis that to achieve the position-sensing effect (regular drum sound except around the edges, the "edge" drum sound closer to the edges) they assigned two samples and crossfade by position. I just could not find mention of such things in the manual. It could be that at least _some_ sounds are physically modeled. But in typical Roland fashion, it's just not mentioned in the manual. Maybe its because the modeled sounds are not any more editable than the sampled sounds. "> >The only module I am thinking of adding right now is the Emu Xtreme Lead or >Proteus 2000 as these modules have global microtonal tuning tables, decent >scale resolution, and are not too expensive. Right now he says... right now... just wait till tomorrow, when the new toys arrive :>" After what I just found out, not likely. Besides I bought my allotment of new toys already last week (Handsonic, DL4, and Maui Xaphoon). :) And what did I just find out? That the sounds _are_ microtunable, with 1 cent resolution. I was fooled by the "quick edit" knobs which have a coarse 50 cent resolution. You have to go into full edit mode to access the fine tuning. The whole purpose of getting that Emu was for the microtonality and this discovery just killed it. :) I was wrong though about the filter programming. For some reason I was thinking it had a synth-like architecture, but it's more rudimentary. There's no filtering for the sound itself, just for the LFO. The effects section is the most confusing part of the manual. There's effects like distortion and overdrive but I couldn't figure out how to add either of them. I guess I'll need another month for those. :) I want my fuzzed out tabla sound, dammit!!! :) :) :) I bet this thing would be killer combined with a Repeater. There, I said something on topic! Paolo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 03:23:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA19665; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 03:23:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 03:23:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 03:21:57 EDT Subject: Re: Klein-clogging 1 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -on the subject of what a TransTrem is capable of producing as far as 'musical' results, I can think of no better example then the tracks 'Point A' and 'Point B' on Michael Hedges '90 release Taproot. I believe these two pieces were written specifically for the TransTrem and are very clear and direct as far as recording goes. -I also can't help but think that it would be neat to experiment with a TransTrem and a unit like the Sustainiac that sustains all strings at once. The sound shifting possibilities seem intriguing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 03:56:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20021; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 03:56:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 03:56:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <30E955A829F8D311A447006097C83E7909C453@goofy.bitlab.de> From: StephanN To: "'abduction scene'" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: AW: tremolo pedal Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:56:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id DAA19977 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi abduction, I use a cheap (I bought it for 100 DM,, must be $50 or 60) Nobels Tremolo Pedal for years and found it a good deal. Besides the usual speed and intensity pots you can switch wave forms in 4 stages, a tone poti keeps the high register out of processing and a level poti makes sure that you have the right balance (you can abuse it to preset a boosted the tremolo sound for cool surf sounds.) regards Stephan www.stephanneetenbeek.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: abduction scene [mailto:abduction_scene@yahoo.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. September 2000 20:43 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: OT: tremolo pedal Hi all: Apologies for the OT post. Any recommendations for a good, sturdy tremolo pedal, reasonably priced, that i can use for either electric bass or electric guitar (or anything else, for that matter). I'm looking for something that isn't going to lop off the bottom end of the bass sound, but will also sound good on other instruments. I just want some direction before i walk into a Mars or GC or somewhere, since i can barely stand to be in those places for more than 15 minutes. Thought i'd ask what fellow loopers use. Thanks, -abduction- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 06:14:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA21439; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 06:13:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 06:13:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <5a.a56b268.26e77270@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 06:12:00 EDT Subject: Re: AW: tremolo pedal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the rocktron surf tremelo is a good tremelo pedal that has 2 different waveforms and built-in compression and noise reduction. might be worth giving a listen. i like it a lot. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 09:17:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24569; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:16:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:16:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: <4athena@gte.net> Message-ID: <007701c01804$100d0b40$9d42263f@spooky> From: "Christopher and Michelle" <4athena@gte.net> To: References: Subject: Re: loops from instruments in a classical symphony Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:12:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <89YN-D.A.5-F.yMkt5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have you found any loops on the net to be shared? _thank you_ Spooky Christopher www.spookylotus.cjb.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 09:27:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24813; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:27:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:27:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 09:25:00 EDT Subject: OT Re: Klein-clogging 1 To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com pitchbending (w/the TT) is consistent, from string-to-string; s'great ifya do wads o'that kinda playing. (irreplaceable, for me). pedal-steel type effects. the most reliable return-to-pitch-after-wildvibrato/violentpitchbending that i've experienced. w/a well-maintained TT, a limited number of 'locked' (ie, no vibrato-useage, in this mode) parallel key-transpositions are possible. yeah..... dt "Martin Shellard" writes: << Thanks for the info dt. The transtrem looks intriguing but I'm not really sure what I'd do with it. What kind of musical applications would you say it has? ---------- >From: Texture444@aol.com >To: >Subject: RE: Klein-clogging 1 >Date: Tue, Sep 5, 2000, 10:40 pm > > huh! > i really enjoy the TransTrem; it does indeed 'work', for me!; predictable, > consistent pitchbending being the focus of my TransTrem useage. > for the last few years, the materials that the bridges were made from *do* > tend to suck a bit of tone, yeah, but: > not *that* much. > the Klein TransTrem guitars are still my mainstays, after more than 10 years. > best, > dt >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 09:37:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25104; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:35:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:35:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Cody Davis" To: Subject: RE: free loops sites Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 08:33:57 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <007701c01804$100d0b40$9d42263f@spooky> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For free sample loops go to http://www.sonicfoundry.com/Loop_Libraries/. Another interesting place is http://www.thefreesite.com/Free_Sounds/Free_WAVs/index.html free wavs make your own loops. Try this for a few free loops. http://www.musicloops.com/Cart/ If you know of anyplace on the net with any free loops please post. If you know of any single orchestral instrument loops in .wav or other computer formats. Please send them (or the place to get them) to me at codyda@ecpi.com. I use a computer program like Acid Pro or Cool Edit Pro in an attempt to create film score type music (if I can get the right loops) -----Original Message----- From: Christopher and Michelle [mailto:4athena@gte.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 8:12 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: loops from instruments in a classical symphony Have you found any loops on the net to be shared? _thank you_ Spooky Christopher www.spookylotus.cjb.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 09:41:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25326; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:40:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:40:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 09:38:34 EDT Subject: OT Re: sustainer/Klein-clogging 1 To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <33.9d403d7.26e7a2db@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'll check out those Micahel Hedges tracks; the TT *is* 'capable' of lotsa nuancing..... in conjunction w/yer *own* physical techniques & a modicum of imagination. also: i had ---on loan, in 1988/89--- a steinberger TT w/a polyphonic 'infinite sustain' feature: built by ned steinberger, bob wolstein & rick turner, it ummmmmm..... rocked. twas never produced, though. each string had its own on/off switch & 'drive-control' for the sustain feature. if i remember correctly, the team also had a mod that'd allow for the 'sweeping-through' of the natural harmonic series. i used that instrument on a mark isham recording; maybe i used guitar that on the soundtrack to 'the beast', as well. just for y'all's info..... dt dt THusken@aol.com writes: << -on the subject of what a TransTrem is capable of producing as far as 'musical' results, I can think of no better example then the tracks 'Point A' and 'Point B' on Michael Hedges '90 release Taproot. I believe these two pieces were written specifically for the TransTrem and are very clear and direct as far as recording goes. -I also can't help but think that it would be neat to experiment with a TransTrem and a unit like the Sustainiac that sustains all strings at once. The sound shifting possibilities seem intriguing. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 09:54:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25687; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:53:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:53:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39B64BF3.E7A8C34C@hoover-keith.com> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 08:51:47 -0500 From: "Ryan D. Supak" X-Sender: "Ryan D. Supak" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: loops from instruments in a classical symphony References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com excuse me mr. electrix guy, but is there an in-depth description/article of the repeater anywhere on the internet? thanks, r.s. (np: "Flim" - Aphex Twin) (...Camera pans in on Ryan. He has a frustrated look on his face. He faces the camera and says, "If only there was a way to time-synchronize these 4 loops...in Real Time!" Suddenly, Captain Electrix appears in a puff of smoke. ...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 10:06:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26092; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:05:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:05:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c0189a$81e56aa0$658909d2@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron" To: References: Subject: Re: OT: tremolo pedal Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 00:07:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The purple 'Jim Dunlop' tremelo is cool. You can ajust the in-ternal perameters, on the curcuit board, Very versatile, it's also stereo. Cam. ----- Original Message ----- From: rich To: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 12:54 PM Subject: Re: OT: tremolo pedal > If you are interested in a used one, try finding a Boss PN-2 Tremelo/Pan. > I've used mine for nearly 10 years without a hitch...Great tremelo with > settings more extreme than many others. A bit noisy, especially when on AC > power. Should be able to find one floating around the $100 range? > > If you want to spend some dollars, check out Electrix's MO-FX, which has a > tremelo that can synch to midi clock, band-selection, and a variety of > waveform shapes. Also, for the price you get delay, flange, distortion and > insert jacks to boot. > > As for your loathing of giant corporate music stores...Be Strong...and > remember, practice makes perfect. The more you go, the more you can stand > it. Like perfecting a callous. Hell, i can spend hours in there > now...even when i know more about the product than the spikey haired, > chained wallet, tongue pierced salesdude who can't quite figure out how > this damned thing works..."uhhhh, lemme get the manager". > > apologies to any spikey haired, chained wallet, tongue pierced salesdudes > on the list... > > rich > > > > > >Hi all: > > > >Apologies for the OT post. > > > >Any recommendations for a good, sturdy > >tremolo pedal, reasonably priced, that > >i can use for either electric bass or > >electric guitar (or anything else, for > >that matter). I'm looking for something > >that isn't going to lop off the bottom > >end of the bass sound, but will also > >sound good on other instruments. > > > >I just want some direction before i walk > >into a Mars or GC or somewhere, since i > >can barely stand to be in those places for > >more than 15 minutes. Thought i'd ask what > >fellow loopers use. > > > >Thanks, > > > >-abduction- > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 10:07:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26221; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:07:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:07:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701c0180b$b87a3ee0$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "Brian Mulvey" To: References: Subject: Re: My experiences with the Handsonic (long, reveiw) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:06:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone have a patch list or link to one? Are there any electronic sounds onboard? I think that would be pretty neat.. ******************** Any day now - the year of the Diamond Dogs.. "This ain't Rock n' Roll... this is Genocide." BOWIE '74 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri To: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 2:28 PM Subject: RE: My experiences with the Handsonic (long, reveiw) > Find a store near you that has one to try out (you'll need that too, since > despite all the criticism I've been heaping on it, I'm still undecided) if > they have one on show, they usually have a manual nearby, too :> > > bIz > > > Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. > 1.800.555.Tell > biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say > 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Ritchford [mailto:tom@swirly.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 11:13 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: My experiences with the Handsonic (long, reveiw) > > boy, would I love to get a copy of the manual for this. > > of course, Roland being Roland, there are no .pdf files on > the complicated and uninformative > > /t > > ...electronic a capella madness ......... > ...extreme internet radio ... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 10:26:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26621; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:25:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:25:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:22:05 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: webcast flashback and next Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <88XXUC.A.DfG.7Mlt5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I made flashback for my webcast page.. http://www.cavestudio.com/live_from_far_east/flashback.html you can hear the digest. Also my next webcast is 14th and 15th Sept. Details: http://www.cavestudio.com/liveinformation/ keep in touch Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 10:58:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27486; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:58:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:58:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c01813$3ac35920$0f01a8c0@luca> From: "luca" To: Subject: switchblade Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:00:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C01823.FC97C260" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C01823.FC97C260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ... anyone experienced with new Sound Sculpture's "Switchblade 8" ? thanks, luca ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C01823.FC97C260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C01823.FC97C260-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 12:28:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29144; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:27:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:27:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.76.82.65] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: My experiences with the Handsonic (long, reveiw) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 12:26:51 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2000 16:26:51.0485 (UTC) FILETIME=[431498D0:01C0181F] Resent-Message-ID: <9_vq_C.A.yGH.LBnt5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Where did you find a handsonic video? i've searched >both rolandus.com sites and couldn't find it. How >long is it, do you know? > >thanks > >stephen I ordered it from http://www.rolandus.com/superstore.asp. Click "Product Videos". Unfortunately, I don't any more than what the website says. Paolo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 13:07:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29892; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:07:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:07:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: loops from instruments in a classical symphony Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:06:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lol...(puff of smoke) we will be posting more info on the site after the AES show in late September. Best Regards, (puff of smoke) Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix / IVL "No Creative Barriers" Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com >-----Original Message----- >From: Ryan D. Supak [mailto:rdsupak@hoover-keith.com] >Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:52 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: loops from instruments in a classical symphony >excuse me mr. electrix guy, but is there an in-depth description/article >of the repeater anywhere on the internet? >thanks, >r.s. >(np: "Flim" - Aphex Twin) >(...Camera pans in on Ryan. He has a frustrated look on his face. He >faces the camera and says, "If only there was a way to time-synchronize >these 4 loops...in Real Time!" >Suddenly, Captain Electrix appears in a puff of smoke. ...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 14:17:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31177; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:17:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:17:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000906181313.7945.qmail@web208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:13:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: Dusty Burning Man To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, a bit dusty, wasn't it :-) I didn't bring any electrogizmology to burning man, although I had fantasies of bringing the handsonic but didn't get it together to do that. The three challenges I see would be power (battery, quiet generator?), dust (how to seal against dust and still allow cooling), and security (everyone I met there seemed trustworthy, but ya never know.) Have you gotten any electronic gear survival tips yet? A looooooping camp sounds enticing...... stephen --- Jordan Pease wrote: > To say it's an extremely dusty environment only > begins to describe the > adverse conditions that exists there. > Next year I would really like to bring some gear and > am curious how > others managed. ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 18:53:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05056; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 18:39:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 18:39:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 15:42:35 +0100 Subject: Re: OT Re: Klein-clogging 1 From: "Martin Shellard" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <23hvr.A.5NB.6cst5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Once again thanks for the info. I'm just gonna have to try one for myself. Martin Shellard ---------- >From: Texture444@aol.com >To: >Subject: OT Re: Klein-clogging 1 >Date: Wed, Sep 6, 2000, 2:25 pm > > pitchbending (w/the TT) is consistent, from string-to-string; s'great ifya > do wads o'that kinda playing. > (irreplaceable, for me). > pedal-steel type effects. > the most reliable return-to-pitch-after-wildvibrato/violentpitchbending > that i've experienced. > > w/a well-maintained TT, a limited number of 'locked' (ie, no > vibrato-useage, in this mode) parallel key-transpositions are possible. > yeah..... > dt > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 20:02:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06861; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:01:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:01:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 16:59:54 -0700 From: "sock s" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: sop@n2mail.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: *%cked up Echoplex "repair" (rip off?) what now? Help X-Sender-Ip: 216.90.139.25 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I sent my Echoplex to John Leimseider of MusicTek (Hollywood, CA) in March for repair under warranty (no-one else would respond at the time ..) The main problem was that parts of the readout were staying half-lit always (making it difficult to tell what the numbers are..) . and it was making loud popping when turn on . I just got it back . It has the basically the same problem it had when I sent it (the same places of the readout going out) and now another part of the readout looks like they might be doing that. Pops/surges when turned on or off. [ It was returned to me without the clamshell case I had sent it in, which I had requested (more than once) to be saved and returned to me in. also the middle front screw is missing.. ] The service report only says: "Straighten panel, reseat simms (bet that was tough), run diagnostics, c/o . All O.K." This is what I waited half a year for ? this took them 5-6 months to do? It actually seems to be in worse shape than when I sent it in. I dont know what to do now , this is terrible. I really dont want to send it back to MusicTek . Can I send it somwhere else now for warranty repair that was not done right ??? I dont know what to do help What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 20:24:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07466; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:23:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:23:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.19.2.20000906191300.02c81eb0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.0.19 (Beta) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 19:20:27 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: *%cked up Echoplex "repair" (rip off?) what now? Help In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sock s (06:59 PM 09.06.2000) wrote: >diagnostics, c/o . All O.K." This is what I waited half a year for ? > this took them 5-6 months to do? It actually seems to be in worse shape >than when I sent it in. JL is usually very good at a host of things, but MusicTek is basically *always* swamped hence the timeline. I know that JL has things on the floor there that have been around for a LONG time - much longer than you waited. Given the list of things he did, you may want to try the same... i.e., open it up, reseat the SIMMs, walk all the connectors... It may clear up; you may have a flaky socket or SIMM that won't stay put and the pop is coming from the machine reading junk (since the SIMM isn't seated) out of the address space. As for the screw and clamshell... You'll have to push back on MusicTek to get those dealt with. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 21:36:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09239; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:35:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:35:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c0186b$c7926000$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "Brian Mulvey" To: Subject: dream box Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:34:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C0184A.3F0F7CC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C0184A.3F0F7CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a dream box.. maybe tho, it's possible with hardware i have yet = to come across. But anyway, what I'd like. Long loop time... (single loop is ok.. but up to 5 mins) should be = alright. The ability to control the pitch (with a knob) and speed (same) at any = point in the loop.. and be able to record with those changes, much like the Line 6 lets you record backwards and half speed.. but with = more control. And finally, and most importantly.. the ability to loop smaller points = of the larger loop, and overdub over those. Hmm.. any ideas folks? ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C0184A.3F0F7CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a dream box.. maybe tho, it's = possible with=20 hardware i have yet to come across.
 
But anyway, what I'd like.
 
Long loop time... (single loop is ok.. = but up to 5=20 mins) should be alright.
The ability to control the pitch (with = a knob) and=20 speed (same) at any point in the loop.. and be able to record with = those=20 changes,
much like the Line 6 lets you record = backwards and=20 half speed.. but with more control.
And finally, and most importantly.. the = ability to=20 loop smaller points of the larger loop, and overdub over = those.
 
Hmm.. any ideas=20 folks?
------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C0184A.3F0F7CC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 21:44:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09776; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:43:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:43:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: dream box Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 18:47:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C01832.E7777150" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <004001c0186b$c7926000$0101a8c0@pavilion> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C01832.E7777150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I wouldn’t know myself, but I bet Kyma could do it. bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Mulvey [mailto:bdmulvey@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: dream box I have a dream box.. maybe tho, it's possible with hardware i have yet to come across. But anyway, what I'd like. Long loop time... (single loop is ok.. but up to 5 mins) should be alright. The ability to control the pitch (with a knob) and speed (same) at any point in the loop.. and be able to record with those changes, much like the Line 6 lets you record backwards and half speed.. but with more control. And finally, and most importantly.. the ability to loop smaller points of the larger loop, and overdub over those. Hmm.. any ideas folks? ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C01832.E7777150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I = wouldn’t know myself, but I bet Kyma could do = it.

 

bIz

 

 

Tellme. News. Stock quotes. = Movies. Excellent.

1.800.555.Tell

biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the = meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme = game.

<= span class=3DEmailStyle15> 

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Mulvey [mailto:bdmulvey@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, = September 06, 2000 6:35 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: dream = box

 

I have a dream box.. maybe tho, it's possible with hardware i have yet to come = across.<= /p>

 <= /p>

But anyway, what I'd like.

 <= /p>

Long loop time... (single loop is ok.. but up to 5 mins) should be = alright.<= /p>

The ability to control the pitch (with a knob) and speed (same) at any point in the loop.. and be able to record with those = changes,<= /p>

much like the Line 6 lets you record backwards and half speed.. but with more control.

And finally, and most importantly.. the ability to loop smaller points of = the larger loop, and overdub over those.<= /p>

 <= /p>

Hmm.. any ideas folks?

------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C01832.E7777150-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 6 22:40:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10889; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 22:39:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 22:39:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 22:38:25 EDT Subject: fave tremolo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 146 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com um.. here's my 2 cents worth re: tremelo pedals: I like evry much and use the Throb made ny Prescription Electronics... 2 speeds, 2 waveforms - no waiting. merry loopage to all, Robby Aceto From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 01:37:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13638; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 01:36:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 01:36:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004001c0186b$c7926000$0101a8c0@pavilion> References: <004001c0186b$c7926000$0101a8c0@pavilion> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 22:35:18 -0700 To: "Brian Mulvey" , From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: dream box Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1243817572==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1243817572==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 9:34 PM -0400 9/6/00, Brian Mulvey wrote: >I have a dream box.. maybe tho, it's possible with hardware i have >yet to come across. Are you vehemently against using a laptop computer as your hardware? If not, I might be able to help, assuming your dream is durable enough to be reasonably patient. > >But anyway, what I'd like. > >Long loop time... (single loop is ok.. but up to 5 mins) should be alright. No problem there... >The ability to control the pitch (with a knob) and speed (same) at >any point in the loop.. and be able to record with those changes, I am not sure what you are asking exactly. An example will clarify: imagine you play into the loop, then twist the pitch knob until you're hearing the stuff you just played at half speed. Then you continue overdubbing into the loop. Finally you crank the knob back up to "normal". Does the last stuff you recorded now play at double-speed? Or do you mean, you'd like to record the gestures you make with the knobs also? Also, when you have the knob at half-speed (or 3/4 or 17/19 or 2.17281728 or whatever), would you want the "old" material to keep shifting further and further away with every regeneration, or just play back at the same fixed varispeed setting indefinitely? >much like the Line 6 lets you record backwards and half speed.. but >with more control. >And finally, and most importantly.. the ability to loop smaller >points of the larger loop, and overdub over those. Ah yes, this is a tricky one, because when you stop looping the sub-loop an d go back to a longer loop, you might end up with clicks at the edges of the sub-loop. I have been trying to solve that problem with little crossfades at either end of the sub-loop, but I want to be able to keep playing the larger loop while recording into the sub-loop also, and haven't quite figured out how to keep the crossfades perfect at all times. I was ready to bail on this feature but it's cool to hear that someone else has thought it would be useful, so I'll try and get back into it. >Hmm.. any ideas folks? Please let me know if you would be philosophically, pragmatically, spiritually, nutritionally or legally open to a software solution. I can't promise a release yet but I am taking the looper I have been working on for the past three years a wee bit more seriously lately, since there seems to be more people interested in live radical loop-munging then I previously would have guessed. I think the hardware products are great for what they do, and they do a lot, but I do not know of any that let you overdub simultaneously into multiple backwards varispeed loops, while playing complex sequences of subsegments of other loops, in 5.1 surround, and that's the sort of sonic mess I like to make. -Alex S. --============_-1243817572==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" At 9:34 PM -0400 9/6/00, Brian Mulvey wrote: ArialI have a dream box.. maybe tho, it's possible with hardware i have yet to come across. Arial Are you vehemently against using a laptop computer as your hardware? If not, I might be able to help, assuming your dream is durable enough to be reasonably patient. ArialBut anyway, what I'd like. Long loop time... (single loop is ok.. but up to 5 mins) should be alright. Arial No problem there... ArialThe ability to control the pitch (with a knob) and speed (same) at any point in the loop.. and be able to record with those changes, Arial I am not sure what you are asking exactly. An example will clarify: imagine you play into the loop, then twist the pitch knob until you're hearing the stuff you just played at half speed. Then you continue overdubbing into the loop. Finally you crank the knob back up to "normal". Does the last stuff you recorded now play at double-speed? Or do you mean, you'd like to record the gestures you make with the knobs also? Also, when you have the knob at half-speed (or 3/4 or 17/19 or 2.17281728 or whatever), would you want the "old" material to keep shifting further and further away with every regeneration, or just play back at the same fixed varispeed setting indefinitely? Arialmuch like the Line 6 lets you record backwards and half speed.. but with more control. And finally, and most importantly.. the ability to loop smaller points of the larger loop, and overdub over those. Arial Ah yes, this is a tricky one, because when you stop looping the sub-loop an d go back to a longer loop, you might end up with clicks at the edges of the sub-loop. I have been trying to solve that problem with little crossfades at either end of the sub-loop, but I want to be able to keep playing the larger loop while recording into the sub-loop also, and haven't quite figured out how to keep the crossfades perfect at all times. I was ready to bail on this feature but it's cool to hear that someone else has thought it would be useful, so I'll try and get back into it. ArialHmm.. any ideas folks? Arial Please let me know if you would be philosophically, pragmatically, spiritually, nutritionally or legally open to a software solution. I can't promise a release yet but I am taking the looper I have been working on for the past three years a wee bit more seriously lately, since there seems to be more people interested in live radical loop-munging then I previously would have guessed. I think the hardware products are great for what they do, and they do a lot, but I do not know of any that let you overdub simultaneously into multiple backwards varispeed loops, while playing complex sequences of subsegments of other loops, in 5.1 surround, and that's the sort of sonic mess I like to make. -Alex S. --============_-1243817572==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 01:57:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14203; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 01:57:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 01:57:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 22:52:55 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: *%cked up Echoplex "repair" (rip off?) what now? Help In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <0KYUEC.A.bdD.g4yt5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:59 PM -0700 9/6/00, sock s wrote: >I sent my Echoplex to John Leimseider of MusicTek (Hollywood, CA) in March >for repair under warranty (no-one else would respond at the time ..) >The main problem was that parts of the readout were staying half-lit >always (making it difficult to tell what the numbers are..) . and it was >making loud popping when turn on . >I just got it back . It has the basically the same problem it had when I >sent it (the same places of the readout going out) and now another part of >the readout looks like they might be doing that. Pops/surges when turned >on or off. [ It was returned to me without the clamshell case I had sent >it in, which I had requested (more than once) to be saved and returned to >me in. also the middle front screw is missing.. ] The service report >only says: "Straighten panel, reseat simms (bet that was tough), run >diagnostics, c/o . All O.K." This is what I waited half a year for >? this took them 5-6 months to do? It actually seems to be in worse >shape than when I sent it in. > I dont know what to do now , this is terrible. I really dont want to >send it back to MusicTek . Can I send it somwhere else now for warranty >repair that was not done right ??? I dont know what to do > I don't know about the MusicTek place, but Gibson now has a nice service facility in the US that handles Echoplex. Contact Shane Radtke , 1-800-544-2766 x206 or (847) 741-7315 x206. Shane is a great guy, he'll fix you right up. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 02:04:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14497; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:04:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:04:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 23:03:18 -0700 Subject: Worst repair department ever? [MusicTek] From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Five month turnaround time? They have that much repair work and they didn't think to hire more repair folks, field the stuff out or give you the option of taking it somewhere else? And then it's returned NTF? Falling asteroids can't pound that place into a smoking crater fast enough. TH >[horrific non-repair story] >This is what I waited half a year for ? > this took them 5-6 months to do? It actually seems to be in worse shape >than when I sent it in. >>JL is usually very good at a host of things, but MusicTek is basically >>*always* swamped hence the timeline. I know that JL has things on the floor >>there that have been around for a LONG time - much longer than you waited. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 02:10:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14682; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:10:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:10:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <36.b15700a.26e88ad0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:08:16 EDT Subject: Subject: fave tremolo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/7/00 12:38:11 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: << Subject: fave tremolo >> Matchless made a Tube Tremolo Box, that in true Matchless fom was beutiful, great-sounding and too expensive, and too large....and LOOPERS sound great through it (on topic!) John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 03:10:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15489; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 03:10:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 03:10:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000101c0189b$144f1b20$ac936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <004001c0186b$c7926000$0101a8c0@pavilion> Subject: Re: dream box Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:01:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01C018A1.D1FB9120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C018A1.D1FB9120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, you can do this sort of thing in Kyma. You could even shuffle = your small loop back and fore in the large loop or time stretch = /compress loops using granular options - nice:) Gareth much like the Line 6 lets you record backwards and half speed.. but = with more control. And finally, and most importantly.. the ability to loop smaller = points of the larger loop, and overdub over those. Ah yes, this is a tricky one, because when you stop looping the = sub-loop an d go back to a longer loop, you might end up with clicks at = the edges of the sub-loop. I have been trying to solve that problem with = little crossfades at either end of the sub-loop, but I want to be able = to keep playing the larger loop while recording into the sub-loop also, = and haven't quite figured out how to keep the crossfades perfect at all = times. I was ready to bail on this feature but it's cool to hear that = someone else has thought it would be useful, so I'll try and get back = into it. Hmm.. any ideas folks? Please let me know if you would be philosophically, pragmatically, = spiritually, nutritionally or legally open to a software solution. I = can't promise a release yet but I am taking the looper I have been = working on for the past three years a wee bit more seriously lately, = since there seems to be more people interested in live radical = loop-munging then I previously would have guessed. I think the hardware = products are great for what they do, and they do a lot, but I do not = know of any that let you overdub simultaneously into multiple backwards = varispeed loops, while playing complex sequences of subsegments of other = loops, in 5.1 surround, and that's the sort of sonic mess I like to = make. -Alex S. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C018A1.D1FB9120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, you can do this sort of = thing in=20 Kyma. You could even shuffle your small loop back and fore in the = large loop=20 or time stretch /compress loops using granular options -=20 nice:)
 
Gareth
 
much like the Line 6 lets you record backwards and half speed.. = but=20 with more control.
And finally, and most importantly.. the = ability to=20 loop smaller points of the larger loop, and overdub over = those.

Ah yes, = this is a=20 tricky one, because when you stop looping the sub-loop an d go back to = a=20 longer loop, you might end up with clicks at the edges of the = sub-loop. I have=20 been trying to solve that problem with little crossfades at either end = of the=20 sub-loop, but I want to be able to keep playing the larger loop while=20 recording into the sub-loop also, and haven't quite figured out how to = keep=20 the crossfades perfect at all times. I was ready to bail on this = feature but=20 it's cool to hear that someone else has thought it would be useful, so = I'll=20 try and get back into it.

Hmm.. any ideas = folks?

Please=20 let me know if you would be philosophically, pragmatically, = spiritually,=20 nutritionally or legally open to a software solution. I can't promise = a=20 release yet but I am taking the looper I have been working on for the = past=20 three years a wee bit more seriously lately, since there seems to be = more=20 people interested in live radical loop-munging then I previously would = have=20 guessed. I think the hardware products are great for what they do, and = they do=20 a lot, but I do not know of any that let you overdub simultaneously = into=20 multiple backwards varispeed loops, while playing complex sequences of = subsegments of other loops, in 5.1 surround, and that's the sort of = sonic mess=20 I like to make.

-Alex=20 S.











------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C018A1.D1FB9120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 05:24:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA17223; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 05:23:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 05:23:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31FEF30F0EDBD3118CFA00A0C945FCBE69D1F8@DUB_STAT1> From: "Jonathan O'Riordan" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Can any one guide me along the bumpy road from Acid to Cubass ... Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:22:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am currently trying to make the transition from Acid to Cubass. After crossing the first hurdle of realising how to import .wavs from Acid so that the audio tracks remain at the same tempo, I am now left with another problem to overcome. How do you, while viewing the sample in Cubass, take bits of it and cut and paste. One would be led to believe that you use the most obvious Ctrl + C or Ctrl + V, but this, naturally does nothing. Can anyone help? I am going mad... Also, once you have more than one audio track playing in Cubass, is there anywhere within the program where you can use faders to fade them in and out individually? If anyone can shed some light, I would be most grateful. Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 09:46:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19679; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:45:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:45:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <30E955A829F8D311A447006097C83E7909C47E@goofy.bitlab.de> From: StephanN To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: I just want to share this with you... Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:45:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopers link of the mounth? http://www.pianographique.com Maybe a birthday present for Loopers delight. have fun! If you do not speak french: use your keyboard to play. stephan www.stephanneetenbeek.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 10:14:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20277; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:14:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:14:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SConner100@aol.com Message-ID: <43.9f89203.26e8fc6c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:13:00 EDT Subject: Re: Subject: fave tremolo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm sold on the Flip "Vintage Tremolo" made by Guyatone. It to is tube and sounds awesome. You should be able to find one for around $200 new. Later, Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 10:35:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20785; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:35:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:35:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39B82150.BB941E3C@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 16:14:24 -0700 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Can any one guide me along the bumpy road from Acid to Cubass ... References: <31FEF30F0EDBD3118CFA00A0C945FCBE69D1F8@DUB_STAT1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And you're waiting for us to take time to digest the manuals for you for so simple stuff come on ! : read the manuals or were they trashed by the dog ? anyway this is a better place to ask for cubase stuff http://WWW.cubase.net/transmissions.html for acid http://www.sonicfoundry.com/Forums/ god luck Claude Jonathan O'Riordan wrote: > > I am currently trying to make the transition from Acid to Cubass. After > crossing the first hurdle of realising how to import .wavs from Acid so that > the audio tracks remain at the same tempo, I am now left with another > problem to overcome. How do you, while viewing the sample in Cubass, take > bits of it and cut and paste. One would be led to believe that you use the > most obvious Ctrl + C or Ctrl + V, but this, naturally does nothing. Can > anyone help? I am going mad... > > Also, once you have more than one audio track playing in Cubass, is there > anywhere within the program where you can use faders to fade them in and out > individually? > > If anyone can shed some light, I would be most grateful. > > Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 10:35:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20811; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:35:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:35:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000907143412.61586.qmail@web9010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 07:34:12 -0700 (PDT) From: abduction scene Subject: tremolo pedals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all: Thanks everyone for indulging an OT inquiry re trem pedals. Your responses have all been very helpful. Y'all came through, as usual! Seeyaz, -abduction- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 10:49:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21323; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:49:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:49:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c101c018d9$fcd3e950$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <004001c0186b$c7926000$0101a8c0@pavilion> <000101c0189b$144f1b20$ac936fd4@y5w2s5> Subject: Re: dream box Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:43:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C018B0.13C0B140" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <-qYjhC.A.NMF.up6t5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C018B0.13C0B140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brian - I love your dreams. Keep dreaming! (And better start saving = $!) I think both Kyma and MAX/MSP provide solutions. This is cool! = [Sometimes I feel that, if I'm into this "looper religion" thing, then = Kyma is like my denomination. :) That makes the MAX/MSP folks (and = Orville users, etc.) like a different denomination; same religion, they = just use different words to mean about the same thing!] >>Ah yes, this is a tricky one, because when you stop looping the = sub-loop an d go back to a longer loop, you >>might end up with clicks = at the edges of the sub-loop. I have been trying to solve that problem = with little >>crossfades at either end of the sub-loop, but I want to be = able to keep playing the larger loop while recording >>into the sub-loop = also, and haven't quite figured out how to keep the crossfades perfect = at all times. I was >>ready to bail on this feature but it's cool to = hear that someone else has thought it would be useful, so I'll try >>and = get back into it. > Hmm.. any ideas folks? (Brainstorming here, haven't completely thought this out) Seems like the = trick might be to record it initially without clicks. In other words, = clean it up on the way into the loop memory instead of on the way out = (at playback). Sort of like a "smart overdub". It would delay the = recording by a few sample points until an appropriate zero-crossing, = then delay the "punch-out" until it saw a matching zero-crossing = (indicated by the first derivative). You might need do double-buffer = the baby. I.e., put the overdub into a working buffer, trim it neatly, = then shuflle it into the main loop memory. Of course, if you put it into a trim/clean-up buffer, you could trim it = via fades (appearing as cross-fades in the loop) instead of = zero-crossings. In general, I prefer the zero-crossing idea because I = think it can be less audible (less artifacts), but it is more work. >I think the hardware products are great for what they do, and they do a = lot, but I do not know of any that let you >overdub simultaneously into = multiple backwards varispeed loops, while playing complex sequences of = >subsegments of other loops, in 5.1 surround, and that's the sort of = sonic mess I like to make. Yes! The hardware products are the best for that "out of the box" = experience, but for ultimate flexibility/customizability, I think a = software solution (I include Kyma here) is necessary. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C018B0.13C0B140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Brian - I love your dreams.  Keep = dreaming!  (And=20 better start saving $!)
 
I think both Kyma and MAX/MSP provide = solutions.  This is=20 cool!  [Sometimes I feel that, if I'm into this "looper religion" = thing,=20 then Kyma is like my denomination. :)  That makes the MAX/MSP folks = (and=20 Orville users, etc.) like a different denomination; same religion, they = just use=20 different words to mean about the same thing!]
 
>>Ah yes, this is a tricky one, = because=20 when you stop looping the sub-loop an d go back to a longer loop, you=20 >>might end up with clicks at the edges of the sub-loop. I have = been=20 trying to solve that problem with little >>crossfades at either = end of the=20 sub-loop, but I want to be able to keep playing the larger loop while = recording=20 >>into the sub-loop also, and haven't quite figured out how to = keep the=20 crossfades perfect at all times. I was >>ready to bail on this = feature but=20 it's cool to hear that someone else has thought it would be useful, so = I'll try=20 >>and get back into it.
 
>       =20 Hmm.. any ideas=20 folks?
(Brainstorming here, haven't completely thought this = out)=20 Seems like the trick might be to record it initially without=20 clicks. In other words, clean it up on the way into the loop=20 memory instead of on the way out = (at playback).  Sort of=20 like a "smart overdub".  It would delay the recording by a few = sample=20 points until an appropriate zero-crossing, then delay the "punch-out" = until it=20 saw a matching zero-crossing (indicated by the first derivative).  = You=20 might need do double-buffer the baby.  I.e., put the overdub into a = working=20 buffer, trim it neatly, then shuflle it into the main loop = memory.
 
Of course, if you put it into a trim/clean-up = buffer, you=20 could trim it via fades (appearing as cross-fades in the = loop) instead of=20 zero-crossings.  In general, I prefer the zero-crossing idea = because I=20 think it can be less audible (less artifacts), but it is more=20 work.
 
>I think the hardware products are = great for=20 what they do, and they do a lot, but I do not know of any that let you=20 >overdub simultaneously into multiple backwards varispeed loops, = while=20 playing complex sequences of >subsegments of other loops, in 5.1 = surround,=20 and that's the sort of sonic mess I like to = make.
Yes!  The hardware products are the best for = that "out of=20 the box" experience, but for ultimate flexibility/customizability, I = think a=20 software solution (I include Kyma here) is necessary.
 
Dennis Leas
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dennis@mdbs.com
 
------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C018B0.13C0B140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 12:06:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22856; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:05:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:05:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <30E955A829F8D311A447006097C83E7909C47E@goofy.bitlab.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:51:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: I just want to share this with you... Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Didn't we have a thread last year about a similar german site? Electrik or something? These sites fascinate me for about 5 minutes and then i've had it, but leave a lingering icky feeling in my stomach...don't know why...just getting old? they seem like music/art kiosks that wow you with the graphics but have about as much substance as cotton candy. "here kids...look...you can play music! techno is easy! collage is easy! see? just push the button and something happens!" Rauschenberg? Jasper Johns? phooey! i can do better than that right here! thanks flash and shockwave! do you need to make music if you don't have a song in your heart? rich >Loopers link of the mounth? >http://www.pianographique.com > >Maybe a birthday present for Loopers delight. > >have fun! >If you do not speak french: use your keyboard to play. > >stephan >www.stephanneetenbeek.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 12:22:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23281; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:21:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:21:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bd01c018e8$ad74dbd0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> From: "Pulse 8" To: References: Subject: while we're sharing...loop of the day mailing list Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:28:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <-_Res.A.CrF.hB8t5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com blah, I'll go ahead and tell you about something else that's pretty cool. I started a mailing list where I send a royalty-free loop to everyone on a daily basis. It's called Loop Of The Day and you can join @ http://www.egroups.com/community/loopoftheday I've also got a website for it @ http://www.beyond-earth.net/loopoftheday but it's not updated daily.. (i'm no web programmer) however, currently under construction is ModPlug will be hosting it for us in the future, where it'll have a database which can track stats on individual loops, sortable, searchable, etc. I'm looking for people to submit loops, so far all of them have been made by me.. Joshua Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 http://www.beyond-earth.net http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 10:51 AM Subject: Re: I just want to share this with you... > Didn't we have a thread last year about a similar german site? Electrik or > something? These sites fascinate me for about 5 minutes and then i've had > it, but leave a lingering icky feeling in my stomach...don't know > why...just getting old? > > they seem like music/art kiosks that wow you with the graphics but have > about as much substance as cotton candy. "here kids...look...you can play > music! techno is easy! collage is easy! see? just push the button and > something happens!" Rauschenberg? Jasper Johns? phooey! i can do better > than that right here! thanks flash and shockwave! > > do you need to make music if you don't have a song in your heart? > > > rich > > > > > > > >Loopers link of the mounth? > >http://www.pianographique.com > > > >Maybe a birthday present for Loopers delight. > > > >have fun! > >If you do not speak french: use your keyboard to play. > > > >stephan > >www.stephanneetenbeek.de > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 12:55:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24330; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:54:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:54:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00c101c018d9$fcd3e950$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <004001c0186b$c7926000$0101a8c0@pavilion> <000101c0189b$144f1b20$ac936fd4@y5w2s5> <00c101c018d9$fcd3e950$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:22:05 -0700 To: From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: dream box Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [Sometimes I feel that, if I'm into this "looper religion" thing, then Kyma is like my denomination. :) That makes the MAX/MSP folks (and Orville users, etc.) like a different denomination; same religion, they just use different words to mean about the same thing!] Yeah, there used to be a sign up in the maintenance closet at a studio I worked in: One World One Love One Piece of Gear. > >(Brainstorming here, haven't completely thought this out) Seems like >the trick might be to record it initially without clicks. In other >words, clean it up on the way into the loop memory instead of on the >way out (at playback). Sort of like a "smart overdub". It would >delay the recording by a few sample points until an appropriate >zero-crossing, then delay the "punch-out" until it saw a matching >zero-crossing (indicated by the first derivative). You might need >do double-buffer the baby. I.e., put the overdub into a working >buffer, trim it neatly, then shuflle it into the main loop memory. Yeah I think we're on the same track more or less...but let's say you wanted to lay in a thick drone in a 10 sec. sub-loop. While laying that in, I'd want to hear a seamless loop just the same as if the total loop length was 10 sec. No problem there with the incoming audio at least. But then when I "zoom out" I'd want to hear that 10 seconds in its entirety, but the ends are now "unrolled", so the drone would start very suddenly in the context of the master loop. So I was thinking of copying a little bit of the end of the subloop to before its beginning, and vice versa, with adjustable fades in and out. And vice versa, assuming there was pre-existing sound at the boundaries of the 10 second segment, when I "zoom in" and start sub-looping, the pre-existing sound might click but that's where what you describe should work just fine. Or, if the new material is going into a working buffer, the master loop might use an overlap-crossfade playback method instead of searching for zero-crossings, I'm not sure which would be better. This is about where I usually get a headache. I hadn't resorted to double-buffering in previous attempts, but now it seems likely it's the way to go. Thanks for the collaborative brainstorming! -Alex From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 13:16:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24786; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:15:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:15:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501c018ee$c7be6280$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "Brian Mulvey" To: References: Subject: Re: dream box Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:10:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C018CD.0FA97520" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C018CD.0FA97520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nah, I woudn't need anything so complex. Hmm.. I'll try an analogy. A looping reel of tape. Obviously you can affect the pitch of stuff by = using a dial or simply grabbing the reel while recording. And likewise, = backwards could be accomplished by flipping the reel over. That kind of = control.. but I must clarify, I only would want one loop total. The = overdubbing could be on top of the main loop in its entirety, such as = the line 6, or you could overdub a small section of the main loop, while = keeping everything else on the loop the same.=20 Recording of the knob gestures I think, would not need to be a virtual = process, rather, would just affect the audio from the loop (once it got = around to that section again). I would like a pitch and key control.. = since I see that alot on digital gear nowadays, but to be perfectly = honest just the pitch control would do. And no, I'm not opposed to this being done in software.. it's just that = I have all kinds of PC software that can do all kinds of processing, but = I always go back to trying new things in the Line 6. The click thing probably would be an issue.. I wasn't even thinking that = technically about it until now. But I wanna emphasize that it need not = be a seperate loop in synch with the main one, but more as a way to just = to plain ol' overdubbing onto a smaller area.. like a skipping record.=20 Whew.. now I'm confused! Ah yes, this is a tricky one, because when you stop looping the = sub-loop an d go back to a longer loop, you might end up with clicks at = the edges of the sub-loop. I have been trying to solve that problem with = little crossfades at either end of the sub-loop, but I want to be able = to keep playing the larger loop while recording into the sub-loop also, = and haven't quite figured out how to keep the crossfades perfect at all = times. I was ready to bail on this feature but it's cool to hear that = someone else has thought it would be useful, so I'll try and get back = into it. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C018CD.0FA97520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Nah, I woudn't need anything so = complex. Hmm.. I'll=20 try an analogy.
 
A looping reel of tape. Obviously you = can affect=20 the pitch of stuff by using a dial or simply grabbing the reel while = recording.=20 And likewise, backwards could be accomplished by flipping the reel over. = That=20 kind of control.. but I must clarify, I only would want one loop total. = The=20 overdubbing could be on top of the main loop in its entirety, such as = the line=20 6, or you could overdub a small section of the main loop, while keeping=20 everything else on the loop the same.
 
Recording of the knob gestures I think, = would not=20 need to be a virtual process, rather, would just affect the audio from = the loop=20 (once it got around to that section again). I would like a pitch and key = control.. since I see that alot on digital gear nowadays, but to be = perfectly=20 honest just the pitch control would do.
 
And no, I'm not opposed to this being = done in=20 software.. it's just that I have all kinds of PC software that can do = all kinds=20 of processing, but I always go back to trying new things in the Line=20 6.
 
The click thing probably would be an = issue.. I=20 wasn't even thinking that technically about it until now. But I wanna = emphasize=20 that it need not be a seperate loop in synch with the main one, but more = as a=20 way to just to plain ol' overdubbing onto a smaller area.. like a = skipping=20 record.
 
Whew.. now I'm confused!
Ah=20 yes, this is a tricky one, because when you stop looping the sub-loop = an d go=20 back to a longer loop, you might end up with clicks at the edges of = the=20 sub-loop. I have been trying to solve that problem with little = crossfades at=20 either end of the sub-loop, but I want to be able to keep playing the = larger=20 loop while recording into the sub-loop also, and haven't quite figured = out how=20 to keep the crossfades perfect at all times. I was ready to bail on = this=20 feature but it's cool to hear that someone else has thought it would = be=20 useful, so I'll try and get back into = it.
------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C018CD.0FA97520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 13:51:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25588; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:51:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:51:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: dream box Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:50:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C018F4.1119F6D8" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C018F4.1119F6D8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" (puff of smoke) Hey Brian, Let me include Repeater in this discussion. >Long loop time... (single loop is ok.. but up to 5 mins) should be alright. Repeater will be around 12 mins. (with a 64 MB compact flash card) >The ability to control the pitch (with a knob) and speed (same) at any point in the loop.. and be able to record with those changes, But of course. >much like the Line 6 lets you record backwards and half speed.. but with more control. Record backwards..... sure Repeater has full tempo control so you can record a loop at 120 BPM then slow it down to 100 BPM and overdub a new part. Then you could then speed it back up to 120 BPM. We can receive MIDI clock, tap tempo, manual input or beat detection as beat information. >And finally, and most importantly. the ability to loop smaller points of the larger loop, and overdub over those. hmmmm. Repeater has full trim capability that is nondestructive until you commit. unfortunately I think overdubbing might be committing. Check out our site. Right now we really only have front and back panel illustrations and a photo but late in September we will be posting more info. Right now we are in Alpha test so the time is not right for officially published specs. (puff of smoke) Best Regards, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix / IVL "No Creative Barriers" Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C018F4.1119F6D8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
 
(puff of smoke)
Hey Brian,
Let me include Repeater in this discussion.
 
>Long loop time... (single loop is ok.. but up to 5 mins) should be alright.
 
Repeater will be around 12 mins. (with a 64 MB compact flash card)
 
>The ability to control the pitch (with a knob) and speed (same) at any point in the loop.. and be able to record with those changes,
 
But of course.
 
>much like the Line 6 lets you record backwards and half speed.. but with more control.
 
Record backwards..... sure
Repeater has full tempo control so you can record a loop at 120 BPM then slow it down to 100 BPM and overdub a new part. Then you could then speed it back up to 120 BPM. We can receive MIDI clock, tap tempo, manual input or beat detection as beat information.
 
>And finally, and most importantly. the ability to loop smaller points of the larger loop, and overdub over those.
 
hmmmm. Repeater has full trim capability that is nondestructive until you commit. unfortunately I think overdubbing might be committing.
 
Check out our site. Right now we really only have front and back panel illustrations and a photo but late in September we will be posting more info. Right now we are in Alpha test so the time is not right for officially published specs.
 
(puff of smoke)

Best Regards,

Damon Langlois
Creative Director
Electrix / IVL
"No Creative Barriers"
Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100
http://www.electrixpro.com

------_=_NextPart_001_01C018F4.1119F6D8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 14:11:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26265; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:11:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:11:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39B853E9.793C613B@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 19:50:17 -0700 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: dream box References: <004001c0186b$c7926000$0101a8c0@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <66LnBD.A.jZG.No9t5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Brian Mulvey wrote: > > I have a dream box.. maybe tho, it's possible with hardware i have yet > to come across. snip > And finally, and most importantly.. the ability to loop smaller points > of the larger loop, and overdub over those. > > Hmm.. any ideas folks? Brian I can do that with an echoplex and a sequencer by moving the start point of the loop and retrig it from there with the sequencer lets say 1 min loop you set start point where your "smaller loop" should begin you want a "smaller loop" of 12sec fire your sequencer with a midi sequence that sends a trig to your plex every 12 sec to restart the loop overdub, insert, reverse etc.... if you want to go further in the long loop mute the sequenced triggs the long loop loops set another strt point etc... etc... Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 14:40:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26845; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:39:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:39:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39B7E408.5468@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 11:52:56 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: dream box References: <004001c0186b$c7926000$0101a8c0@pavilion> <39B853E9.793C613B@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > And finally, and most importantly.. the ability to loop smaller points > > of the larger loop, and overdub over those. I do this w/EPD and Jamman in sequence. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 14:48:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27173; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:47:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:47:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004001c0186b$c7926000$0101a8c0@pavilion> References: <004001c0186b$c7926000$0101a8c0@pavilion> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:25:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: dream box Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My dream box would be a looper for video -- something as simple as a jamman would be a great start. Alas, there are a lot more audio loopers out there than video. "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 15:08:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27719; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:07:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:07:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c301c018ff$a39434a0$3bdb56d1@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: OT: Video capture/Flash Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:12:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone here have reccomendationsof good video capture cards for the pc? I would love to begin working with video and audio together but am a newbie to the video end of the game- Also- price is somewhat of an issue- I won't be getting a $500 capture card if you know what I mean- but quality is extremely important. Regarding signal chains- I am curious about the possibility of making a Flash program/page that would provide objects and a stage to create your own signal path and store it or submit it as a form to a web based collection- the conversation on sub-loops and my recent signal chain mods pikes my interest in other's setups- I need to learn more about action scripting in Flash etc but if any Flash guru here knows if this idea is possible let me know- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ; Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, September 07, 2000 11:50 AM Subject: Re: dream box >My dream box would be a looper for video -- something as simple as a >jamman would be a great start. > >Alas, there are a lot more audio loopers out there than video. > > > >"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man >persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress >depends on the unreasonable man." > >-- George Bernard Shaw > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. >Video Producer Image Processing Specialist >Video for your HEAD! Boris FX >http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 15:34:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28327; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:28:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:28:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Cody Davis" To: Subject: RE: Video capture/Flash Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:26:50 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <00c301c018ff$a39434a0$3bdb56d1@cliff> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have heard the Matrox for about $1300 is great. The person telling me has won video awards and has had at least 4 video cards in 5 years. I don't know the model name. He uses Adobe Premiere 5.1 RT also. -----Original Message----- From: Clifford@BienAppraisers [mailto:bienappraisers@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 2:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Video capture/Flash Anyone here have reccomendationsof good video capture cards for the pc? I would love to begin working with video and audio together but am a newbie to the video end of the game- Also- price is somewhat of an issue- I won't be getting a $500 capture card if you know what I mean- but quality is extremely important. Regarding signal chains- I am curious about the possibility of making a Flash program/page that would provide objects and a stage to create your own signal path and store it or submit it as a form to a web based collection- the conversation on sub-loops and my recent signal chain mods pikes my interest in other's setups- I need to learn more about action scripting in Flash etc but if any Flash guru here knows if this idea is possible let me know- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ; Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, September 07, 2000 11:50 AM Subject: Re: dream box >My dream box would be a looper for video -- something as simple as a >jamman would be a great start. > >Alas, there are a lot more audio loopers out there than video. > > > >"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man >persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress >depends on the unreasonable man." > >-- George Bernard Shaw > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. >Video Producer Image Processing Specialist >Video for your HEAD! Boris FX >http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 16:10:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29338; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:05:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:05:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Kim Flint To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Video capture/Flash Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:02:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Anyone here have reccomendationsof good video capture cards > for the pc? I > would love to begin working with video and audio together but > am a newbie to > the video end of the game- Also- price is somewhat of an > issue- I won't be > getting a $500 capture card if you know what I mean- but quality is > extremely important. shameless plug: ATI All-In-Wonder. :-) Great video performance, costs you way way less than $500! the new Radeon all-in-wonders are just coming out. ___________________________________________________________ Kim Flint Manager, System Engineering kflint@ati.com ATI Research, Inc. http://www.ati.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 16:32:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29874; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:31:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:31:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 15:35:31 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Video capture/Flash To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01ad01c0190b$2a9e0e70$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is this the first official ld ad? > shameless plug: > > ATI All-In-Wonder. :-) Great video performance, costs you way way less than > $500! the new Radeon all-in-wonders are just coming out. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 21:06:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03376; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:05:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:05:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <23.a4f29e.26e994e0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:03:28 EDT Subject: Re: dream box To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/7/00 4:51:51 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, Damon@Electrixpro.com writes: << (with a 64 MB compact flash card) >> damon.........would you please explain what this is.........thanks.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 21:39:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04444; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:39:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:39:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <6e.2d1b873.26e99cd2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:37:22 EDT Subject: boomerang upgrade To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anyone get it yet?..........on tuesday i sent my rang to mike nelson for the big fix...........it was like giving up my main loopslave..........ill keep you posted if i dont jump off a bridge.........what a crazy addiction............meds dont fail me now!.............:)......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 7 23:35:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06652; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:35:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:35:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.19.2.20000907222241.01e4f608@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.0.19 (Beta) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 22:30:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: dream box In-Reply-To: <23.a4f29e.26e994e0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nemoguitt@aol.com (08:03 PM 09.07.2000) wrote: >In a message dated 9/7/00 4:51:51 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, >Damon@Electrixpro.com writes: > ><< (with a 64 MB compact flash card) >> > >damon.........would you please explain what this >is.........thanks.........michael I'm not Damon, but I can answer this... There are various types of "removable memory" these days. The "solid state" types such as SmartCard, CompactFlash, SmartMedia, etc. and the "rotating spindle type" such as MicroDrive. Each has plusses and minuses to their usage. For example, You will commonly see SmartMedia used in space critical applications such as digital still cameras since the casing is _very_ thin and the overall package is fairly small. SmartCard is used in applications where you need special security and smarts _on_ the card, since it has an onboard processor that can be (somewhat) dynamically loaded with custom code. CompactFlash is used in applications where the media may be handled a bit rough due to the casing being thick and much more resistive to bending as when you might sit on the media package that you left in your back pocket. There are other differences in the media types such as access speed, maximum practical storage limits, etc. There was a thread here on the list a bit ago where folks were discussing the finer details of the speed of CompactFlash versus SmartMedia. That thread would be available in the archives if you wanted more info. Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 01:47:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08939; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:47:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:47:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c01958$0b088ca0$0100a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: Video capture/Flash Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:45:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do I get a Looper's discount? Or is it free? ;) Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 1:02 PM Subject: RE: Video capture/Flash > > > > Anyone here have reccomendationsof good video capture cards > > for the pc? I > > would love to begin working with video and audio together but > > am a newbie to > > the video end of the game- Also- price is somewhat of an > > issue- I won't be > > getting a $500 capture card if you know what I mean- but quality is > > extremely important. > > shameless plug: > > ATI All-In-Wonder. :-) Great video performance, costs you way way less than > $500! the new Radeon all-in-wonders are just coming out. > > ___________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint > Manager, System Engineering kflint@ati.com > ATI Research, Inc. http://www.ati.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 02:19:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA09507; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 02:18:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 02:18:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Lee Barnes" To: Subject: RE: Video capture/Flash Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 02:16:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c0195c$43b07fa0$9e381718@alex1.va.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <003801c01958$0b088ca0$0100a8c0@we.mediaone.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_8X2rD.A.JUC.8SIu5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another card out there to check out is the Voodoo 3 3500. The only downer with this card is that it is VERY heat sensitive. So you may want to make sure that your system has very good respiration. The ATI All-In-Wonder Pro is also pretty nice, and it does have a slightly better frame rate. Also really matters upon what you're trying to do with the capture board... The two cards above are really more for the quick scene of a movie vs. above 10 minutes. Highly recommend the Targa Boards if you're looking for something a bit more heavy duty, but there is a catch... You'll need to dedicate a single OS/function box to this cause to keep it up and happy. LeeohkinoWired -----Original Message----- From: Om_Audio [mailto:clifsound@mediaone.net] Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 1:46 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Video capture/Flash Do I get a Looper's discount? Or is it free? ;) Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 1:02 PM Subject: RE: Video capture/Flash > > > > Anyone here have reccomendationsof good video capture cards > > for the pc? I > > would love to begin working with video and audio together but > > am a newbie to > > the video end of the game- Also- price is somewhat of an > > issue- I won't be > > getting a $500 capture card if you know what I mean- but quality is > > extremely important. > > shameless plug: > > ATI All-In-Wonder. :-) Great video performance, costs you way way less than > $500! the new Radeon all-in-wonders are just coming out. > > ___________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint > Manager, System Engineering kflint@ati.com > ATI Research, Inc. http://www.ati.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 06:56:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA11982; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 06:53:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 06:53:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31FEF30F0EDBD3118CFA00A0C945FCBE69D218@DUB_STAT1> From: "Jonathan O'Riordan" To: "'loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Sharks Lungs in Haggis Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:52:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude, Thank you for your rude and abrupt response. It is refreshing to know that when someone asks a simple question regarding software to a group of people fluent in its workings, that rather than getting a helping hand, you get a rude response. That is exactly what I joined this mailing list for, not in fact to share thoughts and information about electronic recording and performance with those who of similar interestes (a rare thing these days), but have people shout me down for daring to ask such a question. AS far as I knew when I was introduced to this mailing list it was for free movement of information between like-minded people. I got the response I needed from another source and it took three short sentences to explain it. Next time, I would prefer if you would either reply with some helpful comments or not at all. What was the point in putting effort in replying with a smart-ass response. All it did was waste my time and make you look petty. Regards, Jonathan From: Claude Voit [SMTP:c.voit@vtx.ch] Sent: 08 September 2000 19:41 To: Jonathan O'Riordan Subject: Re: Can any one guide me along the bumpy road from Acid to Cubass... Jonathan O'Riordan wrote: > > They don't have manuals when you are using pirated software. Thats what I understood ask the ones that pirated the software for help I wont have a nice day Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 07:00:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA12114; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 06:56:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 06:56:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <40.987740.26ea1fac@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 06:55:40 EDT Subject: Re: Sharks Lungs in Haggis....Group HUG!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com come on now. group hug everyone....feel the love. there, don't we all feel better? =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 07:34:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA12558; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 07:34:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 07:34:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: McCullaghJ@Logica.com Subject: Re: Sharks Tongues in Britvic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:32:23 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 08/09/2000 12:32:25 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [PJ:] > come on now. group hug everyone....feel the love. > there, don't we all feel better? I'm not sure how I feel about strangers hugging me .. 8-) but to get back to the original question .. I'd also be interested in knowing if anyone is using ACiD/Cubase for live performace, as opposed to pre-sequencing material, and if so what their thoughts are on the suitability of the respective apps. jm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 07:44:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA12764; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 07:43:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 07:43:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c01992$88865b00$42f538cb@swoods> From: "steven" To: References: <40.987740.26ea1fac@aol.com> Subject: Re: Sharks Lungs in Haggis....Group HUG!! Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 22:44:23 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <5lTQQ.A.tGD.xCNu5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can you tell us how this crap is musically useful or beneficial to the list? or do you enjoy filling people's inbox's with your selfindulgent comments? Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 8:55 PM Subject: Re: Sharks Lungs in Haggis....Group HUG!! > come on now. group hug everyone....feel the love. there, don't we all feel > better? > > =-) PJ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 10:25:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14967; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:24:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:24:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c019a0$240bf8c0$ec0d78d8@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <004001c0186b$c7926000$0101a8c0@pavilion> <39B853E9.793C613B@vtx.ch> Subject: Moving the Start Point on the EDP (was:dream box) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 07:21:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How do you move the start point of a loop on the Echoplex? ----- Original Message ----- > > Brian Mulvey wrote: > > > > I have a dream box.. maybe tho, it's possible with hardware i have yet > > to come across. > snip > > > And finally, and most importantly.. the ability to loop smaller points > > of the larger loop, and overdub over those. > > > > Hmm.. any ideas folks? > Brian > > I can do that with an echoplex and a sequencer > by moving the start point of the loop and retrig it from there with the > sequencer > > lets say 1 min loop > you set start point where your "smaller loop" should begin > you want a "smaller loop" of 12sec > fire your sequencer with a midi sequence that sends a trig to your plex > every 12 sec to restart the loop > overdub, insert, reverse etc.... > > if you want to go further in the long loop > mute the sequenced triggs > the long loop loops > set another strt point > > etc... > > etc... > > > Claude > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 10:55:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15495; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:54:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:54:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <30E955A829F8D311A447006097C83E7909C49A@goofy.bitlab.de> From: StephanN To: "'rich'" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: not cool enough? Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:53:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA15447 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi rich, I'm sorry the pianographique wasn't cool enough for you. What I can't understand is the aggression it evokes. I think it's a very nice application with excellent art-work and really relaxing toy. what's wrong in playing? why do you think it gives kid the idea they would be composers (btw, the manufacturers of the tools discussed in this mailing group often do!) Why not just enjoy it? And what's wrong in sharing things you like? ...things are serious enough... regards (poor) stephan -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: rich [mailto:rich@nuvision.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. September 2000 16:51 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: I just want to share this with you... Didn't we have a thread last year about a similar german site? Electrik or something? These sites fascinate me for about 5 minutes and then i've had it, but leave a lingering icky feeling in my stomach...don't know why...just getting old? they seem like music/art kiosks that wow you with the graphics but have about as much substance as cotton candy. "here kids...look...you can play music! techno is easy! collage is easy! see? just push the button and something happens!" Rauschenberg? Jasper Johns? phooey! i can do better than that right here! thanks flash and shockwave! do you need to make music if you don't have a song in your heart? rich >Loopers link of the mounth? >http://www.pianographique.com > >Maybe a birthday present for Loopers delight. > >have fun! >If you do not speak french: use your keyboard to play. > >stephan >www.stephanneetenbeek.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 11:06:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15822; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:05:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:05:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:43:10 -0400 (EDT) From: noah X-Sender: fishmong@aint-got-nothin.mit.edu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: not cool enough? In-Reply-To: <30E955A829F8D311A447006097C83E7909C49A@goofy.bitlab.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA15780 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think rich has missed the point. I sometimes create installations similar to the site described in real life, with old keyboards, effects, doll parts and dead things. They're easily playable by just about anyone, and no matter what you do to them, they sound good. That's the point. It's an installation, it's art, it's a toy, it's interactive, it's fun. It's NOT a musical instrument. I'm not inventing a new way for professionals to get the music in their heads and hearts out into the world, I'm not creating a new paradigm in composition, I'm just integrating two things I really like to do: music and sculpture. I think these flash sites are in the same vein. -><- On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, StephanN wrote: > hi rich, > > I'm sorry the pianographique wasn't cool enough for you. What I can't > understand is the aggression it evokes. I think it's a very nice application > with excellent art-work and really relaxing toy. > what's wrong in playing? why do you think it gives kid the idea they would > be composers (btw, the manufacturers of the tools discussed in this mailing > group often do!) > Why not just enjoy it? > And what's wrong in sharing things you like? > ...things are serious enough... > > regards > (poor) stephan > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: rich [mailto:rich@nuvision.com] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. September 2000 16:51 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: I just want to share this with you... > > > Didn't we have a thread last year about a similar german site? Electrik or > something? These sites fascinate me for about 5 minutes and then i've had > it, but leave a lingering icky feeling in my stomach...don't know > why...just getting old? > > they seem like music/art kiosks that wow you with the graphics but have > about as much substance as cotton candy. "here kids...look...you can play > music! techno is easy! collage is easy! see? just push the button and > something happens!" Rauschenberg? Jasper Johns? phooey! i can do better > than that right here! thanks flash and shockwave! > > do you need to make music if you don't have a song in your heart? > > > rich > > > > > > > >Loopers link of the mounth? > >http://www.pianographique.com > > > >Maybe a birthday present for Loopers delight. > > > >have fun! > >If you do not speak french: use your keyboard to play. > > > >stephan > >www.stephanneetenbeek.de > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 11:15:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16105; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:15:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:15:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c019a6$c3d510c0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <004001c0186b$c7926000$0101a8c0@pavilion> <39B853E9.793C613B@vtx.ch> <001901c019a0$240bf8c0$ec0d78d8@gary> Subject: Re: Moving the Start Point on the EDP (was:dream box) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:09:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > How do you move the start point of a loop on the Echoplex? You access it via the Parameters key so it take a couple of keystrokes: 1) PARAMETER key press (accesses Timing row buttons) 2) NEXTLOOP key press (now functioning as the StartPoint button). From the manual, "Pressing this button makes the instant of the press the new StartPoint for the loop." After setting the new StartPoint, you'll probably want to exit "parameter set" mode. This is probably easiest via a long press on PARAMETER button. Of course, all of the above can be accomplished via MIDI. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 11:55:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16828; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:54:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:54:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000801c01992$88865b00$42f538cb@swoods> References: <40.987740.26ea1fac@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:41:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Very OT: Sharks Lungs and Pianographique Resent-Message-ID: <8VGkKC.A._FE.ytQu5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Regarding the 'shark lungs' thread: I didn't follow this thread closely, but IMO, the original sender asked a pretty basic question, that could have been addressed by reading the manual and experimenting a bit. I work in a graphics environment amongst Photoshop professionals. Whenever we have a 'newbie', we try to strike a balance between teaching and giving out handy tricks (and there are plenty in Photoshop, much like the 'tip of the iceberg' learning curve of the EDP), but also stressing that the person needs to dedicate a certain amount fo their time to try it themselves and dig down deep, rather than just looking over their shoulder and saying "hey, how do you do this?". Perhaps the lull in our threads for the last week or so has got us all jumpy and agitated...? and that moves me on to the 'Pianographique': Thanks for your responses to my post. I agree, i am a bit aggressive about sites such as those. They are fun. And there's nothing wrong with that...i gots to remember to have more fun! Some of my aggression stems from my relationship with the Web. I have discovered recently where my distaste stems from. Almost any form of production, art, music, or any other methodology that we use computers as tools to create can be experienced WITHOUT the computer. I can go watch a movie that has amazing digital effects, or i can listen to a cool cd created exclusively on a computer, or look at an incredible landscape painting that isn't real, it's Bryce, or (god forbid) i could even print out my email and look at it at home. On the web however, it's designed on the computer, delivered by the computer, and must be viewed on the computer. That bothers me a bit. And yes, i'm a silicon junkie too...i love my toys, and even the t.v or a cd player is something of a computer, i guess. But the computer, when used as entertainment, is only a slightly less vegetative experience than television, in that you use something more than your thumb. So, thanks again, and forgive me for my bitterness (we haven't heard from Larry Tremblay recently, maybe i'm covering for him?), but i do stand on my "as much substance as cotton candy" statement. I would much rather see an "installation" such as Noah described, with tactile elements that is well done, easily playable and 'interactive' than gaga over someone's Flash skills. best regards, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 12:26:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17376; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:25:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:25:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c019b1$5f0d8040$e60978d8@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <004001c0186b$c7926000$0101a8c0@pavilion> <39B853E9.793C613B@vtx.ch> <001901c019a0$240bf8c0$ec0d78d8@gary> <005701c019a6$c3d510c0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Moving the Start Point on the EDP (was:dream box) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:25:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh yeah, I forgot, "RTFM". Thanks for not making me look it up! Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 8:09 AM Subject: Re: Moving the Start Point on the EDP (was:dream box) > > How do you move the start point of a loop on the Echoplex? > > You access it via the Parameters key so it take a couple of keystrokes: > 1) PARAMETER key press (accesses Timing row buttons) > 2) NEXTLOOP key press (now functioning as the StartPoint button). From the > manual, "Pressing this button makes the instant of the press the new StartPoint > for the loop." > > After setting the new StartPoint, you'll probably want to exit "parameter set" > mode. This is probably easiest via a long press on PARAMETER button. > > Of course, all of the above can be accomplished via MIDI. > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 13:55:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18411; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:37:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:37:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39B99BF3.6D897487@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 19:09:55 -0700 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sharks Lungs in Haggis References: <31FEF30F0EDBD3118CFA00A0C945FCBE69D218@DUB_STAT1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jonathan get the real programs with the real manuals or ask anything that hasn't to do with cracked software and you'll get my happy answers or comments to any question or thoughts untill then you will get ruder reactions on this "warez" issue in a lot of mailing lists/newsgroups where experienced users hang around specially if this is your first post after just signing in anyway lets stop that, its of no interest and dont feel offended it wasnt my point please stay around check the Loopers delight site to get a grasp of how and why we are here Salut Claude Jonathan O'Riordan wrote: > > Claude, > > Thank you for your rude and abrupt response. It is refreshing to know that > when someone asks a simple question regarding software to a group of people > fluent in its workings, that rather than getting a helping hand, you get a > rude response. That is exactly what I joined this mailing list for, not in > fact to share thoughts and information about electronic recording and > performance with those who of similar interestes (a rare thing these days), > but have people shout me down for daring to ask such a question. AS far as I > knew when I was introduced to this mailing list it was for free movement of > information between like-minded people. I got the response I needed from > another source and it took three short sentences to explain it. Next time, I > would prefer if you would either reply with some helpful comments or not at > all. What was the point in putting effort in replying with a smart-ass > response. All it did was waste my time and make you look petty. > > Regards, > > Jonathan > > From: Claude Voit [SMTP:c.voit@vtx.ch] > Sent: 08 September 2000 19:41 > To: Jonathan O'Riordan > Subject: Re: Can any one guide me along the bumpy road from > Acid to Cubass... > > Jonathan O'Riordan wrote: > > > > They don't have manuals when you are using pirated software. > > Thats what I understood > > ask the ones that pirated the software for help > > I wont > > have a nice day > > Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 14:10:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18601; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:46:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:46:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000908173917.7286.qmail@web1102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:39:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Martin Subject: Multiple loops w/Boomerang update To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A question for anyone who's had a chance to use the new Boomerang software (Mike, this is probably only you): I know that several options are available for switching from one loop to the other while playing. What about recording? Can I, for example, move seamlessly from playing loop A to recording loop B on the fly, or do I have to stop the current loop? My current loopisms are rather aggressive (Buckethead/Blind Idiot God-esque), and I'd like to be able to construct A/B sections without sacrificing an ongoing groove. Any chance we'll see the manual on the website soon? Thanks, Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 8 20:28:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27181; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 20:27:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 20:27:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39B985BC.13DC0523@dmans.com> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 19:35:08 -0500 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Multiple loops w/Boomerang update References: <20000908173917.7286.qmail@web1102.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BC578385DD0F7AF23DAAE30A" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------BC578385DD0F7AF23DAAE30A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > A question for anyone who's had a chance to use the > new Boomerang software (Mike, this is probably only > you): > > I know that several options are available for > switching from one loop to the other while playing. > What about recording? Can I, for example, move > seamlessly from playing loop A to recording loop B on > the fly, or do I have to stop the current loop? While recording A, pressing the A/B (ONCE) button concludes recording of A and immediately begins recording B. Recording A erases B; the reverse is not true. While playing A, and if B does not exist, pressing the A/B (ONCE) button arms the Rang to do the following: at the end of A the Rang immediately starts recording B. While playing A, and if both loops exist, pressing the A/B (ONCE) button arms the Rang to do the following: at the end of A the Rang immediately starts playing B. If you were stacking (adding parts or layers) in A, then you'll be stacking in B. If you're recording B (A must exist), pressing the A/B (ONCE) button concludes recording B and immediately plays A. In addition, there's a mode called AB1. A single press of the A/B (ONCE) button arms the Rang to do the following: at the end of A the Rang plays B once, then returns to playing A continuously. Each loop can have it's own decay rate. > Any chance we'll see the manual on the website soon? Yes. Very soon. -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." --------------BC578385DD0F7AF23DAAE30A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
A question for anyone who's had a chance to use the
new Boomerang software (Mike, this is probably only
you):

I know that several options are available for
switching from one loop to the other while playing.
What about recording?  Can I, for example, move
seamlessly from playing loop A to recording loop B on
the fly, or do I have to stop the current loop?

    While recording A, pressing the A/B (ONCE) button concludes recording of A and immediately begins recording B. Recording A erases B; the reverse is not true.
    While playing A, and if B does not exist, pressing the A/B (ONCE) button arms the Rang to do the following: at the end of A the Rang immediately starts recording B.
    While playing A, and if both loops exist, pressing the A/B (ONCE) button arms the Rang to do the following: at the end of A the Rang immediately starts playing B. If you were stacking (adding parts or layers) in A, then you'll be stacking in B.
    If you're recording B (A must exist), pressing the A/B (ONCE) button concludes recording B and immediately plays A.
    In addition, there's a mode called AB1. A single press of the A/B (ONCE) button arms the Rang to do the following: at the end of A the Rang plays B once, then returns to playing A continuously.
    Each loop can have it's own decay rate.
Any chance we'll see the manual on the website soon?
    Yes. Very soon.
--
Mike Nelson

Boomerang Musical Products       800-530-4699
PO Box 541595                    214-340-6913, Outside USA
Dallas, TX  75354-1595           214-343-1038, Fax

http://www.boomerangmusic.com    mnelson@dmans.com

"Some products make you sound better;
 the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better."
  --------------BC578385DD0F7AF23DAAE30A-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 05:11:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02002; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 05:09:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 05:09:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c01a3d$6059d0c0$316202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Warez (was Sharks Lungs in Haggis) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 11:06:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <9als_D.A.be.S4fu5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >get the real programs with the real manuals or ask anything that hasn't >to do with cracked software and you'll get my happy answers or comments >to any question or thoughts >untill then you will get ruder reactions on this "warez" issue in a lot >of mailing lists/newsgroups where experienced users hang around >specially if this is your first post after just signing in > hi, I just wanted to say that it shouldn't matter if somebody bought the software or just got it from a warez site. I think there are quite some facts that speak for warez. The first point would be that a lot of people couldn't make music if there wouldn't be cracked software. I'm not capable to buy all the programs i use because the prices are just to high. So, if i would stick to the stuff i could buy, guess then i would have to use that piano site for making music (and we really don't want that, do we?:))) The other thing is that we have the possibility to test things. I think software in general is sort of a user phenomenom. Most of the software has a lot of bugs. Would anybody buy a t-shirt with a hole or a car which could have general protection fault?:)) What I don't agree with is, that pirates are making profit with selling the software. That's were IMO the stealing lies. In china they copy and print the cds which look like the original and they sell it as an original!! that is wrong. The software companies all in all don't want to get bothered with a bedroom musician. If I copy a program, I don't cause any damage to anyone, because I wouldn't buy it anyway (because of the reasons mentioned earlier). So if we put in a little of economic science, the society net wealth curve would be higher as I would feel better and no one would be damages. "the allocation" would be pareto efficient. (sorry got carried away because of the exams). greetings, gregor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 05:45:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02549; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 05:44:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 05:44:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:22:14 -0400 (EDT) From: noah X-Sender: fishmong@aint-got-nothin.mit.edu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Warez (was Sharks Lungs in Haggis) In-Reply-To: <000e01c01a3d$6059d0c0$316202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sat, 9 Sep 2000, Gregor Zavcer wrote: > I just wanted to say that it shouldn't matter if somebody bought the > software or just got it from a warez site. I think there are quite some > facts that speak for warez. The first point would be that a lot of people > couldn't make music if there wouldn't be cracked software. I'm not capable > to buy all the programs i use because the prices are just to high. So, if i > would stick to the stuff i could buy, guess then i would have to use that > piano site for making music (and we really don't want that, do we?:))) I make music with what I can obtain within my means. I would have a hard time respecting myself as a musician if I believed that I needed tons of expensive software to create art. When I was a kid, I made instruments out of rubber bands and buckets and bits of electronic toys. I then got a 386, discovered the demo scene, and started tracking samples in Scream Tracker, all of which I found on the 'net in the public domain or sampled through my horrid mono 8-bit original sound blaster. At least sixty percent of all my musical effort, for as long as I can remember, has been doing my damnedest to push the equipment I have to the absolute limit and making it do things outside the original specifications. I have a hard time respecting the "electronic musicians" of the Techno Era with their phrase samplers, time-warping sequencers with instant aphex twin buttons built in, spending a couple hundred bucks more so they can wow the crowds with the newest roland beat-mangler that sounds like nothing else until everyone else can afford it. Fuck That. Ripping a drumloop off a sample CD, running it through ReCycle, whipping up a nonsensical 303 bassline in ReBirth and topping it off with VST or Digital Performer sequence tricks is not good music. Wow, I'm bitter. Pardon me. I've just come back from a very bad rave, and I had one too many drinks. My point is, if you can't afford the software, innovate. Use Buzz, Csound, and Impulse Tracker. Go to paia.com and learn to solder. Be creative and work around your limitations instead of stealing software and hiking prices for the rest of us. -><- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 09:01:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03976; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 09:00:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 09:00:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c01a5d$c7bce520$8683abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: "Loop" , "Roberto Zorzi" , "Andrew Paine" Subject: audio file problems-IMPORTANT Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 14:57:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C01A6E.42DBCE00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <5UR_xC.A.k9.vQju5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C01A6E.42DBCE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody, here in Italy some people has found problems after downloading audio = files such as mp3, real audio,... They have found some of they audio and jpeg files were starting to fade = from memory. There was something that is not recognized as a virus, that copies the = original audio and video files in .wbg and, once it has finished this = procedure, starts to attack the original files breaking them. The concrete suspect is that this problem has been imported from audio = file downloading. To check if your pc has been infected you can start a search of files = with *.wbg extension. Pcs have often files with such extension but, if you find that some of = the files you have saved as mp3, real, jpeg etc. have a copy one as = .wpg, it may be that you can have been in touch with that problem. Hope this could be helpful. Personally, I don't have found any of these .wbg on my Pc, hope for you = it could be the same. Luca ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C01A6E.42DBCE00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi everybody,
here in Italy some people has found problems = after=20 downloading audio files such as mp3, real audio,...
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Personally, I don't have found any of these .wbg = on my Pc,=20 hope for you it could be the same.
Luca
 
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C01A6E.42DBCE00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 09:46:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04583; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 09:45:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 09:45:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f201c01a64$2cad98c0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: Subject: Re: Warez (was Sharks Lungs in Haggis) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 09:45:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whoa, wait a second... some good music has been made with all of the stuff that you just listed, as well as a lot of crap. And I'm sure that some of the people who are using a new Roland synth or one of the programs you mentioned are "pushing them to their absolute limits and making them do things outside their original specifications," as you say. I'm sure most of them are doing pretty cheezy stuff without much merit, but it seems like you're needlessly slamming on a lot of people there. Or try this, your second paragraph slightly rephrased: I have a hard time respecting the "rock musicians" with their electric guitars, distortion pedals with instant Jimi Hendrix settings built in, spending a couple hundred bucks more so they can wow the crowds with the newest amp that sounds like nothing else until everyone else can afford it. Fuck That. Coming up with a I-IV-V chord progression, playing it as a bunch of power chords, whipping up some distortion, and topping it off with a blues-based solo is not good music. Sound ok? It's not what you got, it's what ya do with it. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "noah" To: Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 4:22 PM Subject: Re: Warez (was Sharks Lungs in Haggis) > I make music with what I can obtain within my means. I would have a hard > time respecting myself as a musician if I believed that I needed tons of > expensive software to create art. When I was a kid, I made instruments out > of rubber bands and buckets and bits of electronic toys. I then got a 386, > discovered the demo scene, and started tracking samples in Scream Tracker, > all of which I found on the 'net in the public domain or sampled through > my horrid mono 8-bit original sound blaster. At least sixty percent of all > my musical effort, for as long as I can remember, has been doing my > damnedest to push the equipment I have to the absolute limit and making it > do things outside the original specifications. > > I have a hard time respecting the "electronic musicians" of the Techno Era > with their phrase samplers, time-warping sequencers with instant aphex > twin buttons built in, spending a couple hundred bucks more so they can > wow the crowds with the newest roland beat-mangler that sounds like > nothing else until everyone else can afford it. Fuck That. Ripping a > drumloop off a sample CD, running it through ReCycle, whipping up a > nonsensical 303 bassline in ReBirth and topping it off with VST or Digital > Performer sequence tricks is not good music. > > Wow, I'm bitter. Pardon me. I've just come back from a very bad rave, and > I had one too many drinks. My point is, if you can't afford the software, > innovate. Use Buzz, Csound, and Impulse Tracker. Go to paia.com and learn > to solder. Be creative and work around your limitations instead of > stealing software and hiking prices for the rest of us. > > > > -><- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 11:50:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06302; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 11:49:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 11:49:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000909090049.013b7780@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 09:00:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Subject: Re: Warez (was Sharks Lungs in Haggis) In-Reply-To: <000e01c01a3d$6059d0c0$316202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are you saying that you would pay for software if it didn't have bugs? Are you saying that you are making use of this software even though it is buggy, but won't pay for it because it is buggy, but not so buggy that you can't be productive with it? I shouldn't ask questions like that. I regularly go to the local 7-11 and take doughnuts without paying for them. They aren't fresh after all, so why pay for them? At 11:06 AM 9/9/2000 +0200, someone wrote: >Most of the software has a >lot of bugs. Would anybody buy a t-shirt with a hole or a car which could >have general protection fault?:)) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 11:59:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06606; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 11:58:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 11:58:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017901c01a75$fcf84a00$7eae5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #181 Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 11:52:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed by a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #181 September 7, 2000. On this show, I began a month-long focus on the E-Live 2000 festival. The feature CD at Midnight was "Beyond the Galaxy" by Cosmic Hoffmann on his Heart and Mind label. I also played the music of Dweller at the Threshold and Synthetic Block who will be performing at the next Gathering. E-Live 2000 festival http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2000/focus00.html#sep The Gathering http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Vangelis Main Titles Blade Runner (Atlantic) Vangelis Blush Response Blade Runner (Atlantic) Synthetic Block Ping Synthetic Block (Mindspore) Dweller at the Generation Gerneration, Transmission, Threshold (Parts 1, 2, & 3) Illumination (Eurock) Kent Sparling In a Mumbling Sky Under New Manna (Jicama Salad Co.) Steve Lawson Pillow Mountain ...And Nothing But the Bass (Pillow Mountain Records) Ian Boddy & Trace the Memory Distant Rituals (DiN) Markus Reuter Steve Roach Underground Clouds Atmospheric Conditions (Timeroom) Over a Secret Grotto * 12:00 am Cosmic Hoffmann Beyond the Galaxy Beyond the Galaxy (Heart and Mind) Cosmic Hoffmann The Gates of Jahore Pt1 Beyond the Galaxy (Heart and Mind) Cosmic Hoffmann Howling Wolves Beyond the Galaxy (Heart and Mind) Cosmic Hoffmann The Gates of Jahore Pt2 Beyond the Galaxy (Heart and Mind) Cosmic Hoffmann Wanderers of Time * Beyond the Galaxy (Heart and Mind) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the the E-Live 2000 festival in Veldhoven, the Netherlands on September 10. The feature CD at midnight will be "Energy" by Elektronische Maschine. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 12:39:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07146; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 12:38:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 12:38:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <42.a7d38b0.26ebc13d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 12:37:17 EDT Subject: Re: Warez (was Sharks Lungs in Haggis) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com speaking of (and to) cynical snobs: I play the guitar and write tunes for my trio. I've played the guitar for 30 of my 39 years. I have a degree in music. And I have to compete for ear-time with people who make their music on computers, who know software rather than harmony, who judge a 303 as a standard for time-keeping, instead of a good bass player. Or with people who stand up with a cheap acoustic and their clinical diagnosis and sing four-chord songs about it. Am I angry or bitter? Despite my tone, no. (Complaining even a little is really fun sometimes, it's why I'm writing today. I like being a smartass.) My audience is small, but perfectly formed, and larger than it was last year. That's all I need today. And let's face it, we all have to compete for ear-time with Britney Spears and the Back Street Boys and Mariah Carey and the usual. If John Coltrane came back to earth and landed in your town, how many people would show up to see him? More than would go see Blink 182? I bet not. I use the best tools I can afford. I don't pirate software and I don't steal guitars or other tools. I sometimes cop a lick off of other people's records, but I've never heard anyone say 'don't steal my licks!' And I have used many of the same notes and chords other great musicians have used, but not in the same order or tempo. If someone out there wants to justify or rationalize themselves because they can't afford software, and hates being labeled a pirate, well, my empathy lies elsewhere. Like with the former student of mine who went off to college and discovered that his new guitar lessons suck. I'd rather hear him play than Gregor, though he may be less skilled. Mituyake oyasin, Kevin http://redroad.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 13:09:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07628; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 13:08:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 13:08:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39BA9C4A.C32DFEF2@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 13:23:44 -0700 From: Your Name Reply-To: switters@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Warez (was Sharks Lungs in Haggis) References: <42.a7d38b0.26ebc13d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8fUGg.A.a2B.L5mu5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > If John Coltrane came back to earth and landed in your town, how many people > would show up to see him? More than would go see Blink 182? I bet not. As much as you might claim that the listening audience has changed you should consider this- In his own day would more of the general listening public have gone to see Coltrane or Ricky Nelson? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 14:06:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08549; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 14:05:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 14:05:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 00:43:09 -0400 (EDT) From: noah X-Sender: fishmong@aint-got-nothin.mit.edu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Warez (was Sharks Lungs in Haggis) In-Reply-To: <00f201c01a64$2cad98c0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sat, 9 Sep 2000, Peter Shindler wrote: > Whoa, wait a second... some good music has been made with all of the stuff > that you just listed, as well as a lot of crap. And I'm sure that some of > the people who are using a new Roland synth or one of the programs you > mentioned are "pushing them to their absolute limits and making them do > things outside their original specifications," as you say. I'm sure most of > them are doing pretty cheezy stuff without much merit, but it seems like > you're needlessly slamming on a lot of people there. I won't argue that some excellent music has come out of SP-808s, MC-505s and their ilk. Hell, if I had the cash I wouldn't turn down a good deal on one. I'm not arguing against the systems, I'm arguing against the growing trend of synth manufacturers catering to people who don't know or care how to get beyond the presets. This is all purely selfish. I'm just annoyed that every new piece of gear that comes out is geared toward dance music, either sample-based or virtual analog, and sacrifices depth for ease of use to a staggering degree. Sure, there's Kyma, Csound, Max, all of these things are wonderful, but they don't have the userbase and support that major synth companies bring to the table. The kind of gear I lust after is stuff like the Kawai K5000. > Or try this, your second paragraph slightly rephrased: > I have a hard time respecting the "rock musicians" with their electric > guitars, distortion pedals with instant Jimi Hendrix settings built in, > spending a couple hundred bucks more so they can wow the crowds with the > newest amp that sounds like nothing else until everyone else can afford it. > Fuck That. Coming up with a I-IV-V chord progression, playing it as a bunch > of power chords, whipping up some distortion, and topping it off with a > blues-based solo is not good music. That's almost just as valid as my original paragraph. The difference here is that guitars don't come with presets and cookie-cutter dance loops. Also, rock music has an extensive history, with a lot of material to draw on. Who ever heard of a techno cover band? > Sound ok? It's not what you got, it's what ya do with it. Precisely my point. :) -><- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "noah" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 4:22 PM > Subject: Re: Warez (was Sharks Lungs in Haggis) > > > I make music with what I can obtain within my means. I would have a hard > > time respecting myself as a musician if I believed that I needed tons of > > expensive software to create art. When I was a kid, I made instruments out > > of rubber bands and buckets and bits of electronic toys. I then got a 386, > > discovered the demo scene, and started tracking samples in Scream Tracker, > > all of which I found on the 'net in the public domain or sampled through > > my horrid mono 8-bit original sound blaster. At least sixty percent of all > > my musical effort, for as long as I can remember, has been doing my > > damnedest to push the equipment I have to the absolute limit and making it > > do things outside the original specifications. > > > > I have a hard time respecting the "electronic musicians" of the Techno Era > > with their phrase samplers, time-warping sequencers with instant aphex > > twin buttons built in, spending a couple hundred bucks more so they can > > wow the crowds with the newest roland beat-mangler that sounds like > > nothing else until everyone else can afford it. Fuck That. Ripping a > > drumloop off a sample CD, running it through ReCycle, whipping up a > > nonsensical 303 bassline in ReBirth and topping it off with VST or Digital > > Performer sequence tricks is not good music. > > > > Wow, I'm bitter. Pardon me. I've just come back from a very bad rave, and > > I had one too many drinks. My point is, if you can't afford the software, > > innovate. Use Buzz, Csound, and Impulse Tracker. Go to paia.com and learn > > to solder. Be creative and work around your limitations instead of > > stealing software and hiking prices for the rest of us. > > > > > > > > -><- > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 14:13:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08818; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 14:13:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 14:13:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000909141837.007b4100@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 14:18:37 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Warez (was Hawk's Dung in Jello) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000909090049.013b7780@pop.mindspring.com> References: <000e01c01a3d$6059d0c0$316202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't remember who said it, but a couple of weeks ago, someone made a very good point: the kind of software we're talking about tends to be fairly non-mainstream and as such doesn't have a real high profit margin. The guys who write this sort of soft often as not do it for the love of it, and aren't usually making much from it. When we make it even harder for them to get by, pretty soon those "warez" dry up. (I'm talking about the little guys who're writing cool, specialized apps, not the big guys with the corporate headquarters, but let's not get into defining where the line should be drawn between them...) Stealing is not good. This applies to either end; illegal dupes (usually) rip off the software writer, and overpriced product rips off the consumer. One exacerbates the other in a vicious circle. (Had to get a looping reference in there somewhere!) Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 14:57:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09502; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 14:56:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 14:56:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <44.700ee1e.26ebe1b8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 14:55:52 EDT Subject: the olde Socratic Discourse (was: Warez, Arf Bungin' Magnets, etc.) To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 09/09/2000 12:07:55 PM Central Daylight Time, switters@earthlink.net writes: << As much as you might claim that the listening audience has changed you should consider this- In his own day would more of the general listening public have gone to see Coltrane or Ricky Nelson? >> Survey says: Ricky Nelson, that crack-smoking oldies-touring plane-burner. I never suggested the listening audience has changed... it's just that quality, once defined, was and is very often an elitist thing. There are exceptions, but they are usually just exceptions. (Frank Sinatra, in the era referenced above, leapt to mind. For a time, he was both 'good' by most definitions, and popular.) Instead of Trane, I could have spoken of someone alive today, but that brings up judgments about current artists. (Can we all agree on someone alive today that is unquestionably 'good'? I bet it would be tough.) Otherwise, logic suggests that the Big Mac is haute cuisine based on its 'figures'. We all know better. As Pat Metheny ranted recently, 'We ignore this at our own peril.' And to be sure, my earlier rant was not anti-technology. My current rig includes an EDP and a brand-new TC Electronic G-Force. But I don't think it's wise to learn how to run Photoshop without learning to draw first, nor to compose via MIDI and Mac without learning how to play well with the drummer, or spell chords, or direct the audience by using silence, for instance. kb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 15:46:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10262; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 15:46:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 15:46:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200009091945.MAA00380@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 12:45:33 -0700 Subject: Re: the olde Socratic Discourse (was: Warez, Arf Bungin' Magnets, etc.) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_ibukC.A.lfC.5Mpu5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry to ask off topic but where is that Pat Metheny rant? I had it and lost it but it was and is a great read!Also it contains some REAL nasty gritiness that I wish were present in his(present) music IMHO.THANX...seeya,STANNER ---------- >From: KB305@aol.com >To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: the olde Socratic Discourse (was: Warez, Arf Bungin' Magnets, etc.) >Date: Sat, Sep 9, 2000, 11:55 AM > >In a message dated 09/09/2000 12:07:55 PM Central Daylight Time, >switters@earthlink.net writes: > ><< As much as you might claim that the listening audience has changed you >should consider this- In his own day would more of the general listening >public have > gone to see Coltrane or Ricky Nelson? >> > >Survey says: Ricky Nelson, that crack-smoking oldies-touring plane-burner. > >I never suggested the listening audience has changed... it's just that >quality, once defined, was and is very often an elitist thing. There are >exceptions, but they are usually just exceptions. (Frank Sinatra, in the era >referenced above, leapt to mind. For a time, he was both 'good' by most >definitions, and popular.) > >Instead of Trane, I could have spoken of someone alive today, but that brings >up judgments about current artists. (Can we all agree on someone alive today >that is unquestionably 'good'? I bet it would be tough.) > >Otherwise, logic suggests that the Big Mac is haute cuisine based on its >'figures'. We all know better. As Pat Metheny ranted recently, 'We ignore >this at our own peril.' > >And to be sure, my earlier rant was not anti-technology. My current rig >includes an EDP and a brand-new TC Electronic G-Force. But I don't think >it's wise to learn how to run Photoshop without learning to draw first, nor >to compose via MIDI and Mac without learning how to play well with the >drummer, or spell chords, or direct the audience by using silence, for >instance. > >kb > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 16:10:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10760; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 16:10:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 16:10:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: the olde Socratic Discourse (was: Warez, Arf Bungin' Magnets, etc.) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 13:09:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200009091945.MAA00380@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd also like to know where that bit from Metheny is. In the meantime, check out this awesome interview with Zawinul: http://www.innerviews.org/inner/zawinul.html J. | -----Original Message----- | From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] | Sent: Saturday 09 September 2000 12:46 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: Re: the olde Socratic Discourse (was: Warez, Arf Bungin' | Magnets, etc.) | | | sorry to ask off topic but where is that Pat Metheny rant? I | had it and lost | it but it was and is a great read!Also it contains some REAL | nasty gritiness | that I wish were present in his(present) music | IMHO.THANX...seeya,STANNER From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 21:07:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16344; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 21:07:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 21:07:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c01ac3$3c83f640$496202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: Warez (was Sharks Lungs in Haggis) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 03:00:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >speaking of (and to) cynical snobs: > >I play the guitar and write tunes for my trio. I've played the guitar for 30 >of my 39 years. I have a degree in music. I play the guitar and write tunes for my trio. I've played the guitar for 15 of my 22 years. I have a degree in music. >And I have to compete for ear-time with people who make their music on >computers, who know software rather than harmony, who judge a 303 as a >standard for time-keeping, instead of a good bass player. Or with people who >stand up with a cheap acoustic and their clinical diagnosis and sing >four-chord songs about it. So, do i. >And let's face it, we all have to compete for ear-time with Britney Spears >and the Back Street Boys and Mariah Carey and the usual. If John Coltrane >came back to earth and landed in your town, how many people would show up to >see him? More than would go see Blink 182? I bet not. agree. >I use the best tools I can afford. I don't pirate software and I don't steal >guitars or other tools. I sometimes cop a lick off of other people's >records, but I've never heard anyone say 'don't steal my licks!' And I have >used many of the same notes and chords other great musicians have used, but >not in the same order or tempo. well, didn't use any licks other ppl played, did sample some other stuff:)) >If someone out there wants to justify or rationalize themselves because they >can't afford software, and hates being labeled a pirate, well, my empathy >lies elsewhere. I don't care if i'm labeled as a pirate, criminal or whatever. i just wanted to point that there's also other side of warez IMO. Even Bill Gates supports what i said. In one interview he sad that microsoft is not interested in illegal copies of microsoft's software which is being used at homes. what bothers the software companies is that other companies don't buy the software and they're making money with it. >Like with the former student of mine who went off to college and discovered >that his new guitar lessons suck. > >I'd rather hear him play than Gregor, though he may be less skilled. That's like being homophobic and saying that you rather like to listen to straight ppl that to gay. All it matters is the music, IMO. > >Mituyake oyasin, > >Kevin Gregor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 21:07:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16361; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 21:07:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 21:07:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c01ac3$3ae05860$496202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: Warez (was Sharks Lungs in Haggis) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 02:41:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, I don't think that i have to use all the software there is, but you'll sure agree that some software could be described as essential. to me this software is mostly sound forge, waves native power pack, logic and acid. i can't afford this software. a friend of mine recently showed me buzz. buzz has a completly different approach to amking music as i'm used to. still i'm probably going to use it in the future as i really liked some features. still sound forge and mastering tools are necessary. i've heard songs made in buzz and i heard same songs remastered in the programs i just mentioned. while buzz is great for puting the song together it still needs help from the "outside". if i would "release" my song directly from buzz, that would be for me the same thing as going to the store wearing only underwear. gregor >I make music with what I can obtain within my means. I would have a hard >time respecting myself as a musician if I believed that I needed tons of >expensive software to create art. When I was a kid, I made instruments out >of rubber bands and buckets and bits of electronic toys. I then got a 386, >discovered the demo scene, and started tracking samples in Scream Tracker, >all of which I found on the 'net in the public domain or sampled through >my horrid mono 8-bit original sound blaster. At least sixty percent of all >my musical effort, for as long as I can remember, has been doing my >damnedest to push the equipment I have to the absolute limit and making it >do things outside the original specifications. > >I have a hard time respecting the "electronic musicians" of the Techno Era >with their phrase samplers, time-warping sequencers with instant aphex >twin buttons built in, spending a couple hundred bucks more so they can >wow the crowds with the newest roland beat-mangler that sounds like >nothing else until everyone else can afford it. Fuck That. Ripping a >drumloop off a sample CD, running it through ReCycle, whipping up a >nonsensical 303 bassline in ReBirth and topping it off with VST or Digital >Performer sequence tricks is not good music. > >Wow, I'm bitter. Pardon me. I've just come back from a very bad rave, and >I had one too many drinks. My point is, if you can't afford the software, >innovate. Use Buzz, Csound, and Impulse Tracker. Go to paia.com and learn >to solder. Be creative and work around your limitations instead of >stealing software and hiking prices for the rest of us. > > > >-><- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 21:07:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16355; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 21:07:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 21:07:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c01ac3$3bd2f5c0$496202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: Warez (was Sharks Lungs in Haggis) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 02:52:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Are you saying that you would pay for software if it didn't have bugs? > >Are you saying that you are making use of this software even though it is >buggy, but won't pay for it because it is buggy, but not so buggy that you >can't be productive with it? > No, i just think that the attitude of the software developers is pretty arogant and that the prices of the software are overpriced. First you have the beta, that you get to the release candidate, then it's a new beta out... >I shouldn't ask questions like that. I regularly go to the local 7-11 and >take doughnuts without paying for them. They aren't fresh after all, so >why pay for them? if i steal a doughnut then i'm causing damage to the retail store and the manufacturer; they had to pay for the ingridients. sure, you could say that developers had a lot of costs with r&d. true. but the main difference is that if i copy a program i'm not causing any direct damage to the producer, because if i wouldn't copy it i just wouldn't have, the developer wouldn't get any money from me anyway. so at the end, the only difference is the state of my satisfaction. also for example, if i copy some piece of software this might help to produce a couple of cool tunes which could influence my future cashflows. the first thing i would do when i had the money is to buy all the software i use and i would buy the software which i liked in the "testing" phase. anybody who's "generating" money with software should buy it. gregor > > >At 11:06 AM 9/9/2000 +0200, someone wrote: >>Most of the software has a >>lot of bugs. Would anybody buy a t-shirt with a hole or a car which could >>have general protection fault?:)) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 22:11:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17555; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:10:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:10:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: Warez - A Rebuttal Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 19:11:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000e01c01a3d$6059d0c0$316202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alright. Well, I'm not one to flame but the email below gets me as close to that feeling as I think I can go... Nonetheless, here are my non-flame, hopefully rational, comments... (and sorry for their length)... I DISAGREE STRONGLY WITH THE ATTITUDES THAT SUGGEST THAT IT'S OKAY TO STEAL SOFTWARE. Please allow me to make my case... let's take Gregor's comments below in turn. He says a lot of folks couldn't make music if it weren't for free software. My response is that we always get those things we truly want... you'd pay for the software if you *had to* because you love making music. You'd *find* a way to buy it or "coerce" someone into buying it for you. :-) The temptation is software that is very easy to steal - and the reality is that we simply *justify* not paying money for it because it's easy to do so and we want to keep that money for ourselves. That's really what's happening... I wonder how many of you are fully taking in that deep thought? If Gregor couldn't steal software like he can't steal hardware, he'd find a way to buy what he needed if he loved music enough. He found a way to buy the hardware right? So, it's that simple. C'mon folks - we are not talking thousands of dollars here! Is there anyone who would disagree with this? Then he says he wants to test the software and that justifies piracy. Well, okay, I don't entirely disagree with this idea of testing... I've been ripped off by software (and hardware) that didn't do what it promised. And because we live in an age where retail stores won't even let you return opened software, we're stuck. I say there should be some protection for us as consumers. OTOH, how long is an appropriate testing period? My guess is that Gregor has probably been "testing" some of his software for years. I definitely don't think that's right. I think there comes a time, usually about a month or so down the road, when you realize that you *like* this software and you know you're going to continue to use it. That's the time to pay. Gregor says that the folks who make and sell pirated software are the ones who are stealing. Let me tell you something, Gregor... stealing is when you take something for your own that doesn't belong to you. Now, I don't deny that the commercial pirates are stealing, but I say to you point blank -- *YOU* are stealing too! The difference between you and them is one of degree, not of kind. Let me tell all of you something: *People* create software. *People* who have kids, and mortgages, and bills to pay. Good people. *People* you'd like if you ever met them. *People* like you. They may love what they do, as Tim noted in another email, but is this a reason to pay them any less? I don't think so. If they love what they do, so much the better, because they'll likely create better products. If anything, we should be paying them more! But, my gosh, let's not penalize them just because they do their job well! Can you see that this is, effectively, what you're doing? I challenge you to take a moment and think about this now. Gregor argues that he's a "bedroom musician" and so his theft doesn't hurt anybody. But if no one paid then there wouldn't be any software right? So somebody has to pay. Who gave any of you theives out there the right not to have to pay, while I have to? What makes you better than me? Aren't we all fundamentally equal as human beings? It's a selfish, arrogant person who steals. Software piracy is such a big problem that software prices have to be higher to compensate for the lost revenues resulting from piracy. In this sense, Gregor, you and the others are not only stealing from the software companies, you are *also* stealing from those of us who pay money for the software, because we're paying more than we would otherwise have to. You're stealing from your fellow musicians. Did that ever occur to you? I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't like being put in this position. To those of you who use pirated "warez" on a regular basis, I say this to you: I question your ethics. What you are doing is wrong and, if you carry it through to it's logical conclusion, it inevitably leads to a double standard too - another ethical issue. Who wants to be mired in all this crap? Let me give you an extreme example: let's imagine for a moment that Gregor writes a song and it becomes a #1 hit worldwide. However, Gregor doesn't make one red cent off of his incredibly good fortune because everyone pirates his song and no one pays for it. Can anyone honestly say to me that Gregor is going to happy with this? Is it going to be okay because individuals did the theft and not some deep-pocket corporation? Of course not! Gregor's going to be screaming bloody blue murder for his money! He will definitely want to be paid, won't he? And wouldn't you? And yet... how is this different from the software piracy issue? The only thing that's different is that little Gregor is now losing some money. You know, in this situation, the tune he will sing will be different from that espoused in the email below. Remember also that software developers expect to be paid for their work, just like *we* do. And it's fair to exchange something of value with each other right? You do it every time you drop into a McDonalds, buy a car or go see a movie. So why shouldn't the developers be paid? I say to you all: what's wrong with caring about these people too? Are we all so concerned with ourselves and our needs that we simply can't do the right thing? Taking anything without paying for it is stealing, plain and simple... and that's a fact! I have found that a life without some sense of personal integrity is an unsatisfying life. We only pass this way once, and other human beings, including software developers, have such an incredible capacity to enrich the lives we lead and make them more meaningful. For all of you on this list, your own lives are made more enjoyable because of the music you play and the software you use. But how can you write honest music if you are not an honest person? Where is the *artiste* in you folks? Wouldn't you feel a little better if your music wasn't tainted through it's creation with stolen software? I suggest that the good feeling you get from doing the right thing can improve your music... can you, too, see how it could become more joyful, more honest, more "in tune" because you yourself are? Isn't it inevitable? Moreover, I'll also suggest that it's when the money is hardest to come by that you stand to make the largest deposit to your personal integrity account by buying the software you use to do that which you love. You'll be repaid tenfold by the terrific boost in self-esteem you'll get - and you can legally use the software too. For some of you, the difference in your music might be night and day... I remember when I got my first Macintosh in 1984. I went to a user group meeting expecting to find out more about this wonderful new computer I had. Instead, I found a bunch of guys sitting around copying software as fast as they could. The second meeting I went to I brought a bunch of disks too and I made my copies. Sometime after that, I actually sat down and thought about what I was doing. I mean, folks, I *actually sat down and thought about this*. I realized that what I was doing was wrong. I hope at least one of you will sit down and think about this as I did. I mean... just get off by yourself in some quiet section of your home and think about this for a few minutes. Do it now. And if you do - if you are honest with yourself and have some sense of personal integrity - you'll reach the same conclusion I have. I suggest that there is only one logical result to be had: * Stealing is an ethical and a legal issue... and stealing is wrong. * When you *use* software that you have have not paid for, you are stealing. I ask each of you: How do you want to live your life? What kind of person - and musician - do you want to be? Kevin > hi, > > I just wanted to say that it shouldn't matter if somebody bought the > software or just got it from a warez site. I think there are quite some > facts that speak for warez. The first point would be that a lot of people > couldn't make music if there wouldn't be cracked software. I'm not capable > to buy all the programs i use because the prices are just to > high. So, if i > would stick to the stuff i could buy, guess then i would have to use that > piano site for making music (and we really don't want that, do we?:))) > The other thing is that we have the possibility to test things. I think > software in general is sort of a user phenomenom. Most of the > software has a > lot of bugs. Would anybody buy a t-shirt with a hole or a car which could > have general protection fault?:)) > What I don't agree with is, that pirates are making profit with > selling the > software. That's were IMO the stealing lies. In china they copy and print > the cds which look like the original and they sell it as an > original!! that > is wrong. The software companies all in all don't want to get > bothered with > a bedroom musician. If I copy a program, I don't cause any damage > to anyone, > because I wouldn't buy it anyway (because of the reasons > mentioned earlier). > So if we put in a little of economic science, the society net wealth curve > would be higher as I would feel better and no one would be damages. "the > allocation" would be pareto efficient. (sorry got carried away because of > the exams). > > greetings, > > gregor > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 9 22:14:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17866; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:13:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:13:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [148.233.81.162] From: "Alejandro Martínez" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Warez (was Sharks Lungs in Haggis) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 02:12:31 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Sep 2000 02:12:31.0533 (UTC) FILETIME=[936BA5D0:01C01ACC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Or try this, your second paragraph slightly rephrased: > >I have a hard time respecting the "rock musicians" with their electric >guitars, distortion pedals with instant Jimi Hendrix settings built in, >spending a couple hundred bucks more so they can wow the crowds with the >newest amp that sounds like nothing else until everyone else can afford it. >Fuck That. Coming up with a I-IV-V chord progression, playing it as a bunch >of power chords, whipping up some distortion, and topping it off with a >blues-based solo is not good music. > >Sound ok? It's not what you got, it's what ya do with it. > > > >Peter Excellent response! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 00:29:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19557; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 00:29:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 00:29:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000909232732.00829a80@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 23:27:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Warez (was Sharks Lungs in Haggis) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi! My 2 cents. I've played on shows with The Doors, Jimi Hendrix (a nice guy), The Byrds, The 13th Floor Elevators, Spirit, The Jefferson Airplane and many, many more acts. I've been fortunate, I guess. I am one of those people who was there - in the 60's and 70's at least. Here are some things that I learned from being around the aforementioned people and scene: Forget ear-time, computers, stolen software - or any of that stuff. Concentrate on your thing, make it the best your soul and your spirit will let you bring it to be, be who you are. Forget about the rest. Who cares? You are what is important - your music, your voice, what you bring to the sonic universe. Let others find their path, concentrate on yours. The groups I mentioned above did just that. They used everything the could buy, beg, borrow, steal or con. Was it "right?" I really don't care. I'm out of that argument. Do what works. Just make your music. That's Really what you care about ...... isn't it? I do. Michael "Long live whatever it is that supposed to live long. Meanwhile.." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 01:21:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20326; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 01:20:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 01:20:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200009100520.WAA15678@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 00:29:30 -0500 Subject: Acid for Mac users From: "michele wortman&guy aitchison" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was wondering if anyone could tell me, are there any programs that are equivalent to Acid for Mac users? I am looking for a simple easy way to loop and sync beats,sounds etc..... Any suggestions? Thanks, M From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 01:33:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20631; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 01:33:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 01:33:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 01:32:22 EDT Subject: so I got a Handsonic..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I bought a Handsonic yesterday, and I REALLY like it now. Like most Roland Gear, you have to undo alot of damage in the presets. Someone had mentioned earlier how the retriggered samples sounded fake. The BEST feature of this unit is that it encourages you to play more than one sample at a time. THAT is what makes it sound 'real'. Anyway, for me the Handsonic will inspire lots of new grooves. I still enjoy playing the real versions of these instruments (Tabla and Udu are REAL hard to fake) but making quick loops and changing sounds quickly for overdubs is really fun...kind of a solitary drum circle (next album name?). john From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 01:54:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20950; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 01:54:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 01:54:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39BB223B.30F454D7@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 22:55:18 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: sine@zerocrossing.net Organization: ZeroCrossing Multimedia Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Use-ability (an open letter to interface designers) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello gang. I've been crazy busy lately and have been lurking, but not much else. Including playing music. Things have finally calmed down for me, and I decided to kick off my return to looping with a good old fashion sugar cube and a room full of guitars, synths computers and my trusty JamMan. I called this event Burning Mark, and it was a great success. However, there were a few snags. Most based on user interface issues. First, my bass (a steinberger) was giving me no output. Could I have been so stupid as to not make sure the preamp battery was good? Yes I could. Damn, a dead battery. And in my state I had to remove 6 tiny screws to get to that little nine volt. What the hell? Who the hell designed that little feature? (btw: I LOVE the bass other than that) Even in my total right mind if I were at a gig and the bass died, this would have been far more than reasonable for a timely return to the performance. Later, my Alesis S4 plus no longer seemed to be receiving MIDI commands from my MIDI guitar. What the hell? It was working fine a moment... Oh. That's it. They put the MIDI channel change button right next to the program change button. Same size and look for each button. D'oh! So where am I going with this? Here: PLEASE DESIGN YOUR GEAR WITH ONE THING IN MIND: THE USER WILL MOST LIKELY BE USING YOUR PRODUCT UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF DRUGS OR HEAVY STRESS AND A CONFUSING Environment. Now, I'm not recommending LSD for my patients who chew gum, but it does give a good benchmark for usability. I've been dealing with electronic music since the late 70s and worked in a music shop for a lot of those years. Even learned myself how to program a DX7. How about that? I'm pretty damn good at figuring out how to use gear without a manual (as many used pieces come into a music store), so if it's hard for me, how must it be for a not to tech savvy musician? Here me KORG and Roland! I've had just about enough out of you! Same hold true for software. I thought that Cubase was so cool at first, but I've switched back to Metro, because it isn't a slave to the "virtual studio" interface and is more useable because of this. Let's stop adding useless features like a billion presets, and let's just make things easier to use. OK, I'm done now. Bye bye. Marklar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 03:42:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA22096; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 03:40:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 03:40:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 02:39:39 -0500 From: "Ben Porter" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: azrix@n2music.com X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Warez (was Sharks Lungs in Haggis) X-Sender-Ip: 216.76.237.70 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry, but I've got to say something here. >And I have to compete for ear-time with people who make their music on >computers, who know software rather than harmony, who judge a 303 as a >standard for time-keeping, instead of a good bass player. Or with people who >stand up with a cheap acoustic and their clinical diagnosis and sing >four-chord songs about it. > >And let's face it, we all have to compete for ear-time with Britney Spears >and the Back Street Boys and Mariah Carey and the usual. If John Coltrane >came back to earth and landed in your town, how many people would show up to >see him? More than would go see Blink 182? I bet not. It is very unlikely that you would have to compete with anyone who makes music on their computer or with the Britney Spear's and Mariah Carey's of the world. You compete with people who make music that is probably almost exactly like yours. A person who would be into techno or something ("made with a computer") and know something about the scene would not also be into the blues-rock scene enough to know about anyone that doesn't get a lot of press or who isn't a local act. So, the people who would go to a blues-rock show because they know of and like the band, are not going to go to a rave because they know of and like whoever is going to be DJing (or whatnot). And for competing with Britney Spears or the Backstreet Boys or Blink 182, these people are being "marketed" to kids that are about eight to sixteen years old. Kids are generally more easily persuaded by advertising (MTV) and the "bandwagon" marketing scheme. Most of that music is listened to because their friends listen to it and because they are told, through advertising, etc., that that is what is *cool* to listen to. As you get older, your listening tastes mature and it doen't matter as much what your friends listen to or what anyone thinks about what you listen too. And you go and find other, "underground" things to listen to. So, you can then move into stranger and more ecelctic music styles and bands like King Crimson, Rush, Primus, David Torn, Miles Davis, Michael Hedges, Tengerine Dream etc. As for John Coltrane vs. Blink 182, there wouldn't be 16,000 screeming teenage girls at a John Coltrane concert, but would you really want them there? I think you are confusing what is visible with what would be considered good and that you are confused with music as art versus music as commerce. Big difference there. Which is why you will never see someone like Negitivland on TV trying to sell hamburgers. So, I find it very difficult to believe that the person who would listen to Mariah Carey and the Backstreet Boys would listen to anything else, even if you exposed them to it. One last thing. I always have to laugh or cringe when someone calls up a radio station requesting an N'Sync song and the announcer asks the caller why they want to hear N'Sync and the person on the other end of the line always says "because they are good dancers". Ben Porter. What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 05:49:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24559; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 05:48:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 05:48:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 04:46:41 -0500 From: "Ben Porter" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: azrix@n2music.com X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: WAY OT: Warez - A Rebuttal X-Sender-Ip: 216.76.236.224 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well all this talk of warez and such fails to recognize a simple idea: economics and how that applies to the software industry. Lets first look at physical products that you go and buy, like cars. What kind of car do you think is a better car a top of the line Mercedes or a Honda Civic? I'm willing to bet most people would think the Mercedes a better car. Why? Because it cost more. It's a pretty simple idea. If something costs more it is generally seen as being "better". Apply this idea to software. I'll use Adobe for example. They have various versions of Photoshop available. They range in price from, I think, $40 for a consumer level version to about $800 for a professional version. Now the two versions are different, but the Pro version is not going to be 2000% better than the consumer level version as the price difference would indicate. Now, lets look at manufacturing costs. A software company has to manufacture a CD, a manual, and a display box. Go look at how much it costs to get some CD's printed. This "manufacturing" can't cost more than about $3 a unit to produce. A fraction of what it would cost to actually manufacture an actual hardware product. But, you could argue about R&D costs. Well, any hardware manufacturer is probably going to have to pay as much, if not more, than any software manufacturer. With software you've got programmers, more programmers and management. With hardware, you've got design team engineers, manufacturing engineers, production workers, etc. and management. So, your R&D can't cost very much when all your company does is programming. So, then there is support. I think this is what you are paying for when you buy software. If you want support, you buy the software. If you don't need support and can live with your conscience, then you can use the cranked versions. Which is why people get mad when someone asks them some simple question answered in the manual. They would be giving you free support for something they paid their own good money for. To me it is hard to argue that software is worth what it costs. Companies like the above mentioned Adobe sell bundled software packages for up to half of what it costs for the individual pieces of software. They can't be losing any kind of money for this, so why don't they just sell all of there software for half the cost? >Let me tell all of you something: *People* create software. *People* who >have kids, and mortgages, and bills to pay. Good people. *People* you'd like >if you ever met them. *People* like you. They may love what they do, as Tim >noted in another email, but is this a reason to pay them any less? I don't >think so. If they love what they do, so much the better, because they'll >likely create better products. If anything, we should be paying them more! >But, my gosh, let's not penalize them just because they do their job well! >Can you see that this is, effectively, what you're doing? I challenge you to >take a moment and think about this now. Higher prices don't create better products. Just ask Microsoft. Competition creates better products, which usually creates lower prices. >Gregor argues that he's a "bedroom musician" and so his theft doesn't hurt >anybody. But if no one paid then there wouldn't be any software right? So >somebody has to pay. > Well, no. There is plenty of freeware and shareware software out there. It costs absolutely nothing to use. So, even if no one paid there would still be software. Ever heard of Linux? >Software piracy is such a big problem that software prices have to be higher >to compensate for the lost revenues resulting from piracy. In this sense, >Gregor, you and the others are not only stealing from the software >companies, you are *also* stealing from those of us who pay money for the >software, because we're paying more than we would otherwise have to. You're >stealing from your fellow musicians. Did that ever occur to you? I don't >know about the rest of you, but I don't like being put in this position. He is *not* stealing from you. If anything *you* are stealing from *you*. Even if people were not "stealing" software like you say, the software companies would still charge as much as they could. The software companies operate under the principles of supply and demand. The software companies will charge whatever the market will allow. So, as long as you still pay those high prices, you are only stealing from yourself by not holding software companies accountable for charging such high prices for software in the first place. >To those of you who use pirated "warez" on a regular basis, I say this to >you: I question your ethics. What you are doing is wrong and, if you carry >it through to it's logical conclusion, it inevitably leads to a double >standard too - another ethical issue. Who wants to be mired in all this >crap? Let me give you an extreme example: let's imagine for a moment that >Gregor writes a song and it becomes a #1 hit worldwide. However, Gregor >doesn't make one red cent off of his incredibly good fortune because >everyone pirates his song and no one pays for it. Can anyone honestly say to >me that Gregor is going to happy with this? Is it going to be okay because >individuals did the theft and not some deep-pocket corporation? Of course >not! Gregor's going to be screaming bloody blue murder for his money! He >will definitely want to be paid, won't he? And wouldn't you? And yet... how >is this different from the software piracy issue? The only thing that's >different is that little Gregor is now losing some money. You know, in this >situation, the tune he will sing will be different from that espoused in the >email below. Your logic about any hit song if very flawed. He could not have a hit song without a contract to some big corporation. He could never make much money off of that song due to the way the recording industry and copyright laws work right now and so you are right back to the fact that if anyone *stole* his song (a highly arguable statement) it would only be hurting the big corporation that he has that contract with and he would never feel much of a pinch unless he already was a huge, overbloated act, like Metallica and U2. >Remember also that software developers expect to be paid for their work, >just like *we* do. And it's fair to exchange something of value with each >other right? You do it every time you drop into a McDonalds, buy a car or go >see a movie. So why shouldn't the developers be paid? I say to you all: >what's wrong with caring about these people too? Are we all so concerned >with ourselves and our needs that we simply can't do the right thing? Taking >anything without paying for it is stealing, plain and simple... and that's a >fact! And these people are paid. It's called a salary. And, well, you don't exchange something of value, you exchange money. You can't trade a year's worth of mowing someone's lawn for a piece of software. So, what if you really don't have the money? Do you used a cracked copy and rationalize it, or do you use something else that costs next to nothing and probably does the same? >* Stealing is an ethical and a legal issue... and stealing is wrong. But so is speeding, running red lights, not wearing your seat belt, carrying concealed weapons, viewing pornographic material if you are under eighteen years of age, drinking if you are under twenty-one, etc. Does that stop anyone? >* When you *use* software that you have have not paid for, you are stealing. Well, I could argue "use" easily, so instead, I'll argue "paid for". Do you 'pay' for using the library? Did the Pilgrims 'pay' for the land they took? Do logging companies 'pay' for the trees they cut down in National Parks? Do you 'pay' for the oxygen your car burns? Do oil companies 'pay' for the damage their spilled tankers create? Do you 'pay' for using your friends swimming pool? Do you 'pay' for listening to the radio? Do I need to go on? I'm not saying anything either way about using or not using cranked software. It is a murky area when talking about right and wrong. I just hate when people give out condemning, all mighty judgements about something that is, now, as trivial as warez. It sounds an awful lot like the fire and brimstone preachers of the Puritans talking about going to hell and putting the "fear of God" in you. Ben Porter. What are you N2? 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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C01B17.0A7F8160-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 08:06:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25849; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 08:05:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 08:05:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 08:04:58 EDT Subject: Re: Acid for Mac users To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Resent-Message-ID: <_Gn_xC.A.NTG.uj3u5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Audio-Genetics Alkali should do the trick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 10:14:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26764; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:13:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:13:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c01b31$0cebc7a0$5f6202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: Warez - A Rebuttal Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:53:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >He says a lot of folks couldn't make music if it weren't for free software. >My response is that we always get those things we truly want... you'd pay >for the software if you *had to* because you love making music. You'd *find* >a way to buy it or "coerce" someone into buying it for you. :-) The >temptation is software that is very easy to steal - and the reality is that >we simply *justify* not paying money for it because it's easy to do so and >we want to keep that money for ourselves. That's really what's happening... >I wonder how many of you are fully taking in that deep thought? If Gregor >couldn't steal software like he can't steal hardware, he'd find a way to buy >what he needed if he loved music enough. He found a way to buy the hardware >right? So, it's that simple. C'mon folks - we are not talking thousands of >dollars here! Is there anyone who would disagree with this? My Hardware (and what i paid for): Juno 106 - 200$ Alesis quadraverb - 150$ Yamaha SU700 - 1200 $ AWE32 - 50$ It took me 4 years to put this together. If you sum up logic, sound forge, acid and waves npp for example you get a figure which is higher. It would take me more then 4 years to get the software i need. we don't need to talk about thousands of $, just one thousand $. Microsoft recently had a special offer here. Students could buy a licensed copy of visual studio for around 10$. Before that lots of students used a pirated copy. I don't know anybody now who doesn't have a licensed one. The reason why they bought visual studio (although they already had a pirated one) is that they could afford it and that they knew the software. >Gregor says that the folks who make and sell pirated software are the ones >who are stealing. Let me tell you something, Gregor... stealing is when you >take something for your own that doesn't belong to you. Now, I don't deny >that the commercial pirates are stealing, but I say to you point blank -- >*YOU* are stealing too! The difference between you and them is one of >degree, not of kind. True, if there wouldn't be a demand for it, there wouldn't be ppl who would sell pirated stuff. >Let me tell all of you something: *People* create software. >Can you see that this is, effectively, what you're doing? I challenge you to >take a moment and think about this now. I understand your point. The problem here is described as a "freerider problem" in the economic science. There are people who pay for the bus and there are others who sneak past the driver i.e. freeriders. Yes, i'm a freerider in the software department, but I pay for the bus:)) what I wanted to stress here is that we sort of have a financial threshold. well, mine is lower then yours obviously. >Gregor argues that he's a "bedroom musician" and so his theft doesn't hurt >anybody. But if no one paid then there wouldn't be any software right? So >somebody has to pay. Who gave any of you theives out there the right not to >have to pay, while I have to? What makes you better than me? Aren't we all >fundamentally equal as human beings? It's a selfish, arrogant person who >steals. That's also one of the problems which occur with freeriding. Eventually the group who's paying becomes unsatisfied. They ask themselves: why do i need to pay if others aren't? why do i have to cover other ppl's expenses? that trully is a problem because eventually no one would pay for the software and software companies could only file in for bankruptcy. One answer could be that buying software is actually a progressive consume tax. That would sort of justify my actions. But i'm not sticking behind it as i don't agree with that. Other answer or solution could be that software companies would do a little bit of research, tried to investigate the actual demand, etc... This could probably result in lower prices, but higher revenues. the highest price tag doesn't always mean the highest net income. I would also be prepared to sign a deal with music software developers which would guarantee them royalties from "my possible hits". If one in million lands a great hit and the software companies would get some royalties, wouldn't that make them richer, a lot richer? >Let me give you an extreme example: let's imagine for a moment that >Gregor writes a song and it becomes a #1 hit worldwide. However, Gregor >doesn't make one red cent off of his incredibly good fortune because >everyone pirates his song and no one pays for it. Can anyone honestly say to >me that Gregor is going to happy with this? No, i wouldn't be happy. I admit it. But OTOH, I had some concerts. I mostly played in places which are trying to survive from one day to another. They offered me a fee, but i always played for free. So, I could roughly say that I didn't pay for the tools, so i didn't charge the work. I can't say what would happen "on a higher level". all i can say is a speculation. >But how can you write honest music if you are not an honest person? Can you explain me how can you tell if the music is honest when you hit play on the CD? greetings, gregor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 10:14:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26763; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:13:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:13:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000301c01b31$0e017d60$5f6202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: Warez (was Sharks Lungs in Haggis) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:56:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Excellent. I agree 100%. Gregor >Hi! > >My 2 cents. > >I've played on shows with The Doors, Jimi Hendrix (a nice guy), The Byrds, >The 13th Floor Elevators, Spirit, The Jefferson Airplane and many, many >more acts. I've been fortunate, I guess. I am one of those people who was >there - in the 60's and 70's at least. Here are some things that I learned >from being around the aforementioned people and scene: > >Forget ear-time, computers, stolen software - or any of that stuff. > >Concentrate on your thing, make it the best your soul and your spirit will >let you bring it to be, be who you are. Forget about the rest. Who cares? > You are what is important - your music, your voice, what you bring to the >sonic universe. Let others find their path, concentrate on yours. The >groups I mentioned above did just that. They used everything the could >buy, beg, borrow, steal or con. Was it "right?" I really don't care. I'm >out of that argument. Do what works. Just make your music. That's Really >what you care about ...... isn't it? > >I do. > >Michael >"Long live whatever it is that supposed to live long. Meanwhile.." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 10:16:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27074; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:15:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:15:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRztytvz1HNIKo/IaCU20hxj2gSzQIUeg5YRnwjrds8TBNf1gh04XMW55I= From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 07:15:22 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Integrity Message-ID: <20908-39BB977A-5878@storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Way to go Kevin ! Thank-you for reminding us all about taking the 'higher road' when thinking about stealing software. Gregor sounds like he's convinced himself that what he's doing is OK, and unfortunately there's always going to be those among us who take the path of expediency instead of integrity. After all, the music business isn't exactly known for its high ethics ! Thank-you for admitting your past transgressions thereby encouraging others to 'sit and think' about their own decisions and possibly make a better choice. (I've been in the same boat too, and like you pointed-out; the net benefit in self-esteem boost is something you can't buy :-) ! ) The bottom line is mercilessly clear: If you're using software that others paid for; you stole it. Steeling is wrong and you know it, so don't rationalize. Do the right thing and then reap the benefits !! -Jordan Pease From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 10:29:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27438; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:29:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:29:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRlNpu7IkpVKqqqXz478F8iMcbNqQIVAKbOFroRTnRP/4grW+smqLomNss4 From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 07:28:58 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Am I a fool ? Message-ID: <20918-39BB9AAA-704@storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <1Ik3gD.A.yrG.qq5u5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear fellow lopers, My voice is a little shaky as I timidly ask: Am I a fool to sell my brand new Echoplexes now with the expectation that the Electrix Repeater is going to be a superior product ? I've been looping with a Jamman (synced to a drum machine) for years and was really excited about finally getting an Echoplex, but am actually disappointed now. Maybe it's just me, but I think it's hard to use and not as stable as the Jamman. The user's manual is one of the worst I've seen (I was the one who started the discussion about 'EDP tutorial video' several months ago). Anyway, I'm going to a music swap-meet next weekend (Zone Music in Sonoma Co. California) and thinking about bringing my two Echoplexes. Am I nuts, or what ? Thanks for your feedback, Jordan Pease From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 12:47:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29216; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:46:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:46:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000910113743.01f00da0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:41:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Am I a fool ? In-Reply-To: <20918-39BB9AAA-704@storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jordan Pease (09:28 AM 09.10.2000) wrote: >Am I a fool to sell my brand new Echoplexes now with the expectation >that the Electrix Repeater is going to be a superior product ? While I have a simple "one word-two letter" answer all prepped and waiting to spring off of my fingers for you, it would benefit anyone in this position to wait a couple of more weeks for Electrix to post more information about the Repeater on their web site. They will be releasing more feature and spec data after the AES show. Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 13:06:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29679; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:06:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:06:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:05:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Am I a fool ? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Dear fellow lopers, > >My voice is a little shaky as I timidly ask: > >Am I a fool to sell my brand new Echoplexes now with the expectation >that the Electrix Repeater is going to be a superior product ? > >I've been looping with a Jamman (synced to a drum machine) for years and >was really excited about finally getting an Echoplex, but am actually >disappointed now. > >Maybe it's just me, but I think it's hard to use and not as stable as >the Jamman. The user's manual is one of the worst I've seen (I was the >one who started the discussion about 'EDP tutorial video' several months >ago). > >Anyway, I'm going to a music swap-meet next weekend (Zone Music in >Sonoma Co. California) and thinking about bringing my two Echoplexes. > >Am I nuts, or what ? > How long have you had the echoplexes? I don't own one, but a friend let me borrow his for a month, and my first impression was much like yours. But, after a while, I was finding that there was some very cool things that could be done with it. My advice would be to hold on them until the repeater is actually available, and if you're still not satisfied with them, sell them then. One thing I've learned about both the musical instrument and computer industries is to never NEVER trust your future to a piece of gear that isn't actually shipping yet, no offense to Electrix, but until I know for sure I can lay my hands on a physical unit, I'm not going to consider one. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 14:01:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27125; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:00:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:00:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000910111040.013ba410@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:10:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Subject: Re: WAY OT: Warez - A Rebuttal In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:46 AM 9/10/2000 -0500, someone argued: >Lets first look at physical products that you go and buy, like cars. What kind >of car do you think is a better car a top of the line Mercedes or a Honda >Civic? I'm willing to bet most people would think the Mercedes a better car. >Why? Because it cost more. It's a pretty simple idea. If something costs more >it is generally seen as being "better". > >Apply this idea to software. I'll use Adobe for example. They have various >versions of Photoshop available. They range in price from, I think, $40 for a >consumer level version to about $800 for a professional version. Now the two >versions are different, but the Pro version is not going to be 2000% better >than the consumer level version as the price difference would indicate. Sounds like you're saying that the cost of physical products is justified because they're physical. But, point taken - you don't think the pricing of software is justified. >Higher prices don't create better products. Just ask Microsoft. Competition >creates better products, which usually creates lower prices. No one made the argument that higher prices create better products (except possibly yourself in regard to cars or, at least, the perception of quality in cars). >Well, no. There is plenty of freeware and shareware software out there. It >costs absolutely nothing to use. So, even if no one paid there would still be >software. Ever heard of Linux? shareware wouldn't survive if some people didn't pay. >>* Stealing is an ethical and a legal issue... and stealing is wrong. > >But so is speeding, running red lights, not wearing your seat belt, carrying >concealed weapons, viewing pornographic material if you are under eighteen >years of age, drinking if you are under twenty-one, etc. Does that stop anyone? Does it stop anyone? yeah it does. Does it stop everyone? no. so what? Lots of people steal, therefore it's ok? >>* When you *use* software that you have have not paid for, you are stealing. > >Well, I could argue "use" easily, so instead, I'll argue "paid for". Do you >'pay' for using the library? Did the Pilgrims 'pay' for the land they took? Do >logging companies 'pay' for the trees they cut down in National Parks? Do you >'pay' for the oxygen your car burns? Do oil companies 'pay' for the damage >their spilled tankers create? Do you 'pay' for using your friends swimming >pool? Do you 'pay' for listening to the radio? Do I need to go on? Sounds like you're nitpicking the statement. Maybe that should have been written: when you install, keep and extensively use commercial software that has been cracked (or you have an illegally obtained password/key), and do so without paying for it through the proper channels (legal distributor, outlet or direct), you are stealing. (I threw in 'extensively use' to allow for the gray area of demoing a cracked product for which no demo is available) and besides, tax payers pay for the library whether they use it or not; radio is advertising paid for - you just put up with the commercials. In the other cases you mention, there is either charity involved (using your friend's pool), injustice or something else that I'm not sure how to describe (in the case of oxygen burning). Are you trying to imply that because the north american continent was invaded by europeans, anything goes? Or that because the pilgrims inhabited the land stealing is ok? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 14:36:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27729; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:35:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:35:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:43:53 -0400 From: Christopher Vereb Subject: Re: Warez - A Rebuttal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004901c01b57$1255ee20$0101a8c0@pavilion> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a situation that may strike a chord closer to home with some of the readers of this list. When people "steal" and distribute "stolen" copies of an application, that application's profitability goes down. It is not a direct loss as in stealing a more physical commodity, but potential profits have been eliminated. This is a similar claim to what many record companies are making against MP3 distributors. The less revenue that a company is taking in, the smaller the staff they can employ. In a software development company the low people on the totem pole are the actual code writers. These guys are much more likely to get laid off as a result of software piracy than any administrator or executive. I'm a musician and a software developer and I can tell you from my aspect that I would love to be writing music oriented applications rather than the work I do at my current job. For that reason I'd suspect a larger than average portion of the software developers at companies which are making music based software are musicians. It is then reasonable to suspect that "stealing" of music software is likely to hurt --- MUSICIANS! When a big fat corporation's profits fall they don't just grin and bear it. They struggle to survive and more often than not this will result in layoffs. Many of these code-writer-by-day-amatuer-musician-by-night will be the guys to get the pink slip. And when an amatuer musician loses his/her job expenses on non-essentials such as new gear and matienance to old gear is one of the first thing to go. Knowing that this situation is possible is enough to keep myself from using illegal copies of software. I don't feel that I have the right to enhance my music making abilities at the cost of another musicians. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Mulvihill To: Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 10:11 PM Subject: Warez - A Rebuttal > Alright. Well, I'm not one to flame but the email below gets me as close to > that feeling as I think I can go... > > Nonetheless, here are my non-flame, hopefully rational, comments... (and > sorry for their length)... > > I DISAGREE STRONGLY WITH THE ATTITUDES THAT SUGGEST THAT IT'S OKAY TO STEAL > SOFTWARE. > > Please allow me to make my case... let's take Gregor's comments below in > turn. > > He says a lot of folks couldn't make music if it weren't for free software. > My response is that we always get those things we truly want... you'd pay > for the software if you *had to* because you love making music. You'd *find* > a way to buy it or "coerce" someone into buying it for you. :-) The > temptation is software that is very easy to steal - and the reality is that > we simply *justify* not paying money for it because it's easy to do so and > we want to keep that money for ourselves. That's really what's happening... > I wonder how many of you are fully taking in that deep thought? If Gregor > couldn't steal software like he can't steal hardware, he'd find a way to buy > what he needed if he loved music enough. He found a way to buy the hardware > right? So, it's that simple. C'mon folks - we are not talking thousands of > dollars here! Is there anyone who would disagree with this? > > Then he says he wants to test the software and that justifies piracy. Well, > okay, I don't entirely disagree with this idea of testing... I've been > ripped off by software (and hardware) that didn't do what it promised. And > because we live in an age where retail stores won't even let you return > opened software, we're stuck. I say there should be some protection for us > as consumers. OTOH, how long is an appropriate testing period? My guess is > that Gregor has probably been "testing" some of his software for years. I > definitely don't think that's right. I think there comes a time, usually > about a month or so down the road, when you realize that you *like* this > software and you know you're going to continue to use it. That's the time to > pay. > > Gregor says that the folks who make and sell pirated software are the ones > who are stealing. Let me tell you something, Gregor... stealing is when you > take something for your own that doesn't belong to you. Now, I don't deny > that the commercial pirates are stealing, but I say to you point blank -- > *YOU* are stealing too! The difference between you and them is one of > degree, not of kind. > > Let me tell all of you something: *People* create software. *People* who > have kids, and mortgages, and bills to pay. Good people. *People* you'd like > if you ever met them. *People* like you. They may love what they do, as Tim > noted in another email, but is this a reason to pay them any less? I don't > think so. If they love what they do, so much the better, because they'll > likely create better products. If anything, we should be paying them more! > But, my gosh, let's not penalize them just because they do their job well! > Can you see that this is, effectively, what you're doing? I challenge you to > take a moment and think about this now. > > Gregor argues that he's a "bedroom musician" and so his theft doesn't hurt > anybody. But if no one paid then there wouldn't be any software right? So > somebody has to pay. Who gave any of you theives out there the right not to > have to pay, while I have to? What makes you better than me? Aren't we all > fundamentally equal as human beings? It's a selfish, arrogant person who > steals. > > Software piracy is such a big problem that software prices have to be higher > to compensate for the lost revenues resulting from piracy. In this sense, > Gregor, you and the others are not only stealing from the software > companies, you are *also* stealing from those of us who pay money for the > software, because we're paying more than we would otherwise have to. You're > stealing from your fellow musicians. Did that ever occur to you? I don't > know about the rest of you, but I don't like being put in this position. > > To those of you who use pirated "warez" on a regular basis, I say this to > you: I question your ethics. What you are doing is wrong and, if you carry > it through to it's logical conclusion, it inevitably leads to a double > standard too - another ethical issue. Who wants to be mired in all this > crap? Let me give you an extreme example: let's imagine for a moment that > Gregor writes a song and it becomes a #1 hit worldwide. However, Gregor > doesn't make one red cent off of his incredibly good fortune because > everyone pirates his song and no one pays for it. Can anyone honestly say to > me that Gregor is going to happy with this? Is it going to be okay because > individuals did the theft and not some deep-pocket corporation? Of course > not! Gregor's going to be screaming bloody blue murder for his money! He > will definitely want to be paid, won't he? And wouldn't you? And yet... how > is this different from the software piracy issue? The only thing that's > different is that little Gregor is now losing some money. You know, in this > situation, the tune he will sing will be different from that espoused in the > email below. > > Remember also that software developers expect to be paid for their work, > just like *we* do. And it's fair to exchange something of value with each > other right? You do it every time you drop into a McDonalds, buy a car or go > see a movie. So why shouldn't the developers be paid? I say to you all: > what's wrong with caring about these people too? Are we all so concerned > with ourselves and our needs that we simply can't do the right thing? Taking > anything without paying for it is stealing, plain and simple... and that's a > fact! > > I have found that a life without some sense of personal integrity is an > unsatisfying life. We only pass this way once, and other human beings, > including software developers, have such an incredible capacity to enrich > the lives we lead and make them more meaningful. For all of you on this > list, your own lives are made more enjoyable because of the music you play > and the software you use. > > But how can you write honest music if you are not an honest person? > > Where is the *artiste* in you folks? Wouldn't you feel a little better if > your music wasn't tainted through it's creation with stolen software? I > suggest that the good feeling you get from doing the right thing can improve > your music... can you, too, see how it could become more joyful, more > honest, more "in tune" because you yourself are? Isn't it inevitable? > > Moreover, I'll also suggest that it's when the money is hardest to come by > that you stand to make the largest deposit to your personal integrity > account by buying the software you use to do that which you love. You'll be > repaid tenfold by the terrific boost in self-esteem you'll get - and you can > legally use the software too. For some of you, the difference in your music > might be night and day... > > I remember when I got my first Macintosh in 1984. I went to a user group > meeting expecting to find out more about this wonderful new computer I had. > Instead, I found a bunch of guys sitting around copying software as fast as > they could. The second meeting I went to I brought a bunch of disks too and > I made my copies. Sometime after that, I actually sat down and thought about > what I was doing. I mean, folks, I *actually sat down and thought about > this*. I realized that what I was doing was wrong. > > I hope at least one of you will sit down and think about this as I did. I > mean... just get off by yourself in some quiet section of your home and > think about this for a few minutes. Do it now. And if you do - if you are > honest with yourself and have some sense of personal integrity - you'll > reach the same conclusion I have. I suggest that there is only one logical > result to be had: > > * Stealing is an ethical and a legal issue... and stealing is wrong. > * When you *use* software that you have have not paid for, you are stealing. > > I ask each of you: How do you want to live your life? What kind of person - > and musician - do you want to be? > > Kevin > > > > > hi, > > > > I just wanted to say that it shouldn't matter if somebody bought the > > software or just got it from a warez site. I think there are quite some > > facts that speak for warez. The first point would be that a lot of people > > couldn't make music if there wouldn't be cracked software. I'm not capable > > to buy all the programs i use because the prices are just to > > high. So, if i > > would stick to the stuff i could buy, guess then i would have to use that > > piano site for making music (and we really don't want that, do we?:))) > > The other thing is that we have the possibility to test things. I think > > software in general is sort of a user phenomenom. Most of the > > software has a > > lot of bugs. Would anybody buy a t-shirt with a hole or a car which could > > have general protection fault?:)) > > What I don't agree with is, that pirates are making profit with > > selling the > > software. That's were IMO the stealing lies. In china they copy and print > > the cds which look like the original and they sell it as an > > original!! that > > is wrong. The software companies all in all don't want to get > > bothered with > > a bedroom musician. If I copy a program, I don't cause any damage > > to anyone, > > because I wouldn't buy it anyway (because of the reasons > > mentioned earlier). > > So if we put in a little of economic science, the society net wealth curve > > would be higher as I would feel better and no one would be damages. "the > > allocation" would be pareto efficient. (sorry got carried away because of > > the exams). > > > > greetings, > > > > gregor > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 15:15:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30108; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:14:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:14:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003c01c01b5b$14264480$946202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: Warez - A Rebuttal Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:09:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ... but potential profits have been eliminated... I didn't eliminate any potential profit, because there's no potential profit from my side at the moment. I took warez from an anonymous ftp and so i didn't pay the pirates (actually i don't even know a pirate with music applications). so blaming me for people getting fired is as blaiming me for the holocaust. also to sum up and perhaps conclude this debate. i didn't come up with this warez talk to find out if it's right or wrong. it started because one list member got a negative response because he has an illegal copy. i don't think ppl should be judged and helped based on the fact if they bought the program. I DO NOT say that warez is OK, but just wanted to point that there's also the other side of the story. Also, stating that somebody is immoral because he/she is using pirated software is an act which i'd really think about before doing it. greetings, gregor p.s.: the tools i use don't boost my self-confidence, the things I create with the tools do. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 16:37:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32349; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 16:36:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 16:36:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39BBF204.DF82770F@mcleodusa.net> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:41:40 -0500 From: Jon Southwood X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Mixer Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-_ikKC.A.34H.7C_u5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Getting ready to finish off (for now) the building of my looping rig, with the purchase of a mixer. I'm almost positive that I'll be getting a Behringer 2642A Eurorack, because at $400 (from Musician's Friend) I haven't seen anything with comparable features (in particular the 6 auxes). To the questions: 1. Has anyone had experience with this mixer, or one of its close kin, that can give a quick review? 2. Two things I'm planning on doing with it, that I want to make sure are possible (and don't have easier ways of doing them): a. I plan on using one aux (say aux5) to send into a long delay (set 100% wet) and then use another (say aux6) to send to my se-70 for pitch shifting the delayed signal which will then be fed back to aux5...outside of being very careful with levels, this should work, right? Is there an easier way that might not take up so many mixer channels? b. I recently got a used Vortex and want to be able to send just some of the signals to it (instead of the whole mix). According to the info at the Behringer site, there are inserts on the main outputs, but not on the subgroup outputs. My thought, then is to route the signals I want going to the Vortex into a pair of subgroups (say 1&2), feed sub outs 1&2 into mixer inputs that are assigned to subgroups 3&4. If I then do not assign subs 1&2 to main, but do assign 3&4 to main, it should be a roundabout way of doing what the insert would do...right? If these are foregone conclusions with using a mixer with auxes and subs, I hope you don't flame me too much---this will be my first experience dealing with a mixer (beyond the three inputs on my peavey kb-100). As an aside, I switched ISPs a couple days ago, and lo and behold was able to unsubscribe the old e-mail address and subscribe the new e-mail address all by myself... Cheers, Jon Southwood gamut@mcleodusa.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 17:36:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00990; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:35:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:35:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:34:40 EDT Subject: Re: Warez - A Rebuttal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/10/00 9:13:27 AM Central Daylight Time, gregor.zavcer@kiss.uni-lj.si writes: << If you sum up logic, sound forge, acid and waves npp for example you get a figure which is higher. It would take me more then 4 years to get the software i need. >> Need? Right now, I happen to have at my disposal a 16 track ADAT system, a ton of outboard gear, two computers for the studio, and wads of audio software to cut, splice, tweak and burn anything I might record. Do I NEED all this? No. Years ago, I wrote and recorded songs on regular cassette decks, using nothing more than the "line out" from my 10 watt Crate guitar amp. I recorded several demos from several different bands I was in using a $200 Peavey 8 channel mixer and a Tascam Porta 05 ($300 at the time). And I can still do it - I took some pedals and my second hand Porta 01 ($150 a few months ago) to work a few weeks ago when I worked a graveyard shift, and recorded some songs at my workplace during an idle 10pm-7am stint. "Need" is a slippery slope. I know lots of people with decent gear who "need" this or that magic box to do their work. And the work never gets done. On the flipside, the band Man Is The Bastard managed a reasonable world-wide audience and put out dozens of records while recording in their practice space on a four-track, using the built-in mixer and one mic. If you want to make it happen, you will. It might not sound perfect, but I'd wager that there is a way to get what you want with a little extra work, instead of having a preset do it for you. just my two cents. - Bill - Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 17:36:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00992; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:35:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:35:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000001c01b6e$f18a5060$35e8b094@kw003> From: "John Stevens" To: Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:34:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C01B77.3A861DA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C01B77.3A861DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable UNSUBSCRIBE -- John Stevens ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C01B77.3A861DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C01B77.3A861DA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 17:41:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01345; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:40:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:40:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:38:56 +0100 Subject: Re: Acid for Mac users From: "Martin Shellard" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I believe Bitheadz (or maybe NI) is bringing out a program called Phrazer that is similar to ACID for the mac platform. Martin Shellard ---------- >From: "michele wortman&guy aitchison" >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Acid for Mac users >Date: Sun, Sep 10, 2000, 6:29 am > > > I was wondering if anyone could tell me, are there any programs that are > equivalent to Acid for Mac users? I am looking for a simple easy way to loop > and sync beats,sounds etc..... Any suggestions? > > Thanks, M > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 17:41:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01517; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:41:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:41:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:38:00 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Am I a fool ? In-reply-to: <20918-39BB9AAA-704@storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:28 AM -0700 9/10/00, Jordan Pease wrote: >Dear fellow lopers, > >My voice is a little shaky as I timidly ask: > >Am I a fool to sell my brand new Echoplexes now with the expectation >that the Electrix Repeater is going to be a superior product ? There isn't really much information about the Repeater out yet. But from what little there is, it appears the feature sets between the two are fairly different. It seems to me you are considering trading an apple for an orange. Before you do that, you may want to spend some time thinking about what it is you actually want. >I've been looping with a Jamman (synced to a drum machine) for years and >was really excited about finally getting an Echoplex, but am actually >disappointed now. > >Maybe it's just me, but I think it's hard to use and not as stable as >the Jamman. The user's manual is one of the worst I've seen (I was the >one who started the discussion about 'EDP tutorial video' several months >ago). You've made this complaint in the past, and every time somebody on the list says, "Jordan, we can help you. All you need to do is ask a question about whatever is confusing you and somebody on the list will try to answer." But you never ask anything! So Jordan, once again: What is it you are confused about? What is it you would like us to teach you to do with your Echoplex? Even if we make a video, how would we know what will help you if you don't tell us? If we try to improve the manual, what would be useful for you? It already goes through every single function and more-or-less accurately describes it. Things that are not explained well there are mostly taken up in the Echoplex FAQ that has been created on the Looper's Delight site. If that is not good enough, what would you rather have it do? The Echoplex is a musical instrument. It was created such that the basic techniques are fairly simple for the beginner to learn and enjoy very quickly. But there is much more depth to explore and master and add to your looping repertoire. You won't learn everything in one afternoon, but you should be having a good time with it right away. As you learn to play it and become an expert, you will find much more underneath to enable you to use it in your own unique way. This takes some time and practice, and it takes you to figure out what your own way is. There is a huge amount of flexibility that you can take in numerous directions for your own style of looping. As with any other instrument, no manual or video is going to get you there - ultimately it is you. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 17:49:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01854; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:48:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:48:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:56:25 -0400 From: Christopher Vereb Subject: Re: Warez - A Rebuttal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00d501c01b71$f7a7d640$0101a8c0@pavilion> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <003c01c01b5b$14264480$946202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> Resent-Message-ID: <3o5SGD.A.Fc.GGAv5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com First, what I meant by "potential profits" is the revenue that would have been generated for the software company had the software been purchased. Once a free copy of the software has been attained it's not likely that the user will purchase an additional copy from the company. Therefore the potential for profit from that software user has been lost. I know that some people do use "illegal" copies of software as a demo before purchasing the software, so my argument doesn't hold up under all circumstances. And secondly, I hope that no-one here felt I was placing any blame or calling any one immoral. I'm not perfect and don't ever want to be. I was just following the conversation (or what it had become ...) and thought I'd give my 2 cents on how I came to my decision on the subject. If I offended anyone I truly am sorry. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gregor Zavcer To: Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 3:09 PM Subject: Re: Warez - A Rebuttal > > > > > ... but potential profits have been eliminated... > > I didn't eliminate any potential profit, because there's no potential profit > from my side at the moment. I took warez from an anonymous ftp and so i > didn't pay the pirates (actually i don't even know a pirate with music > applications). so blaming me for people getting fired is as blaiming me for > the holocaust. > > also to sum up and perhaps conclude this debate. i didn't come up with this > warez talk to find out if it's right or wrong. it started because one list > member got a negative response because he has an illegal copy. i don't think > ppl should be judged and helped based on the fact if they bought the > program. I DO NOT say that warez is OK, but just wanted to point that > there's also the other side of the story. > Also, stating that somebody is immoral because he/she is using pirated > software is an act which i'd really think about before doing it. > > greetings, > > gregor > > p.s.: the tools i use don't boost my self-confidence, the things I create > with the tools do. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 18:56:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03311; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:54:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:54:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Warez - A Rebuttal Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:46:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-reply-to: <00d501c01b71$f7a7d640$0101a8c0@pavilion> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Below: | -----Original Message----- | From: Christopher Vereb [mailto:cjv8793@ritvax.isc.rit.edu] | Sent: Sunday 10 September 2000 2:56 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: Re: Warez - A Rebuttal | | | First, what I meant by "potential profits" is the revenue that | would have | been generated for the software company had the software been purchased. | Once a free copy of the software has been attained it's not | likely that the | user will purchase an additional copy from the company. Therefore the | potential for profit from that software user has been lost. I I think this is a misguided assumption. Who says "it's not likely"? Have you scientific studies to determine "it's not likely"? Have they made any laws for "it's not likely"? Personally, I will buy software that I find useful, smart, gets the job done efficiently and quickly, is stable, software that I know how to make it work. I don't buy software that is bloated, crappy, unstable or useless. If I ever got my hands on some warez I'm not familiar with, will I try it out? Hell yes, I will! If it benefits me, my business, my career, etc., to have technical support and the full backing of the software company, will I buy it? Absolutely! Anybody who has ever bought software knows the absolute necessity to have access to updates, upgrades, their technical database, their telephone number, etc., etc. My computer will be outdated in a couple of years. If I have software I love, I'll upgrade it with my computer. Software companies have been under the gun lately because of their fine print anyway. The want to be held totally unaccountable for some of their shitty software. If I buy bad software, I want to have the opportunity to get my money back. Some of these companies want to get over and not be accountable. I say if some of those companies get hurt by warez, well, they had it coming! But, personally, I don't think they get hurt. The more people out there are using their software, legally or illegally, the more likely users will buy a license in the future. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 18:56:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03131; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:49:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:49:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Warez - A Rebuttal Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:41:14 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-reply-to: <003c01c01b5b$14264480$946202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HA HA HA That's like the cowboy's self-confidence being boosted because he's got a big gun! You're right. The music is the important thing here. | -----Original Message----- | From: Gregor Zavcer [mailto:gregor.zavcer@kiss.uni-lj.si] | Sent: Sunday 10 September 2000 12:10 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: Re: Warez - A Rebuttal | | greetings, | | gregor | | p.s.: the tools i use don't boost my self-confidence, the | things I create | with the tools do. | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 19:54:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04278; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:53:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:53:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.92.216.98] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Handsonic list Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:52:42 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Sep 2000 23:52:42.0359 (UTC) FILETIME=[357F0870:01C01B82] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Folks, The Handsonic list has been set up. Please visit the following web page to subscribe yourself: http://www.egroups.com/group/handsonic Thanks, Paolo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 20:13:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04721; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:11:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:11:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:10:45 EDT Subject: zoom 2100 revisited To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not having my rang made me turn to the zoom 2100 for my loops........what good cheap fun.........it made the "big" noise.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 21:00:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05467; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:59:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:59:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c01b2f$21ed8140$6f2a6ccb@oemcomputer> From: "pierre ambroisine" To: Subject: unsubscribe!!! 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------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C01B82.F3134A40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 21:07:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05784; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:05:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:05:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: metaphor@earthlink.net Message-ID: <39BC303F.FF58AD7C@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:07:11 -0700 X-Sender: "" <@mail.earthlink.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Digital Performer 2.71 Polar? References: <200009110100.VAA05537@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8u82CC.A.lZB.Q-Cv5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone here use Digital Performer's Polar looper? Any pro's and con's would be appreciated. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 22:07:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06877; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:06:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:06:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01fd01c01b94$d0689b00$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <200009110100.VAA05537@hemlock.violacea.com> <39BC303F.FF58AD7C@earthlink.net> Subject: making the most of cheap equipment Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:05:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <_IDRf.A.zqB.33Dv5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey gang. The recent OT thread of "finding new ways of using your current equipment instead of giving in to the 'I'll be great when I can afford a VG-8/EDP/Kyma/etc'-neurosis" inspired me to get busy with my 2 DOD DFX4 pedals instead of staring at my calendar waiting for the Repeater to go into production. Not surprisingly, I found a few new tricks! If you've got 2 cheap samplers, try these: - set one sampler to a short loop length and the other to a longer length. Then play something into 'em and set them up to repeat. Then slow the short one down so it's an octave below the longer one. It should sound very different then it did at the original length, and hopefully super-cool. For extra kicks, try messing with the length of the other loop too. For instance, try getting them a major second or sixth apart for some interestingly-consonant sounds. Obviously this only works if you've got a sampler that changes the loop's pitch when you adjust its length. - open the loop, play a note into it and sustain the note while twisting and turning the knob that controls the delay length, then close the loop. You should end up with some multi-octave whammy dives that would make Adrian Belew jealous (though I'm pretty sure he did the same trick back in the 80s on some King Crimson or Talking Heads tune). - try stringing 2 samplers together. On my Boss GT3 (get one!), I set up a patch with a 1-second delay with infinite layering. I like to build up a densely-packed loop, then dump it over to the DFX all at once. Then clear out the 1-second delay and do it all over again. Since the DFX can only hold a few layers at a time, this is sort of a cheating way to stuff it with much more than it could normally handle. - set the 2 samplers for sample times that are close, but not quite the same, say 4 seconds vs 3.25 seconds. Then play some ambient volume-swell stuff into both of them at the same time. The slight difference in the delay times will cause the two loops to go in and out of sync in a very nice manner. Sorry if these ideas might be too specific to devices that work like the ever-wonderful DOD DFX4, but hopefully someone might get inspired. Besides, we haven't talked much about looping lately! Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 22:30:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07373; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:29:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:29:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <94.9523cee.26ed9d5e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:28:46 EDT Subject: Re: Warez - A Rebuttal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 09/10/2000 9:13:27 AM Central Daylight Time, gregor.zavcer@kiss.uni-lj.si writes: << Can you explain me how can you tell if the music is honest when you hit play on the CD? >> I don't know about anyone else, but I know I can tell, and yet I don't know how to quantify that judgment. And, it may simply be honest about how fucked up it is, too. Things are revealed in music that are not revealed in direct, person-to-person experience. And every musical event involves two: the musician and the listener. Each brings his/her own frames of reference to the event. (Most American frames of reference are shaped by that BSb/Britney mentality, and it has always been so. Pop culture is what it is. This makes 'art' more difficult. Somewhere there are gray areas, too, and those who wish to subvert this paradigm.) Can you tell when another person is lying to you? It's the same question, really... I'm glad this thread has erupted this way... how it gets around to looping, I don't know, but these are things musicians should think about, loopers or not. All of the above is my judgment (IMFA). Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 22:43:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07794; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:42:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:42:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAs4NZ3lB9t24ByO3U5IB3CZJOPs0CFQCYyWqcjCDk40XldHcFtlnrsJ3EcA== From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:41:19 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Am I nuts ? Message-ID: <20266-39BC464F-4027@storefull-117.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Kim- Thanks for responding. It isn't easy for me to compose a simple question to other Echoplex users about what I'm not exactly getting the hang of ... I'm so accustomed to the Jamman that I'm having a hard time expanding my horizon I guess... One thing that really bugs me is that sometimes if I erase a loop and start again several times in a row, I loose sync with the drum machine. This is especially troubling when I already have a loop going that I'm overdubbing onto. That has NEVER happened with the Jamman. (I've got two Echoplexes hooked-up in a stereo configuration). One of the features that the Jamman lacks that I was excited to have on the Echoplex was the UNDO function. I find that it doesn't work as I would expect it to... I have seen the FAQs on the Looper's Delight website and they're GREAT ! Thank you again for maintaining such a tremendous resource for this community. I admit that I've been easily frustrated by the thing and have not really sat down with the printed manual enough to be complaining about it yet I guess... Again, I'd love to watch someone like you [Kim] operate it and get a better feel for how to "play" it. What ever happened to the Tutorial Video idea, anyway ? It sounded like it had some support ! Does anybody else think that a videotape of Kim showing-off his baby would be helpful, if not just plain interesting and worth thirty bucks or so ? Any thoughts ? Thanks, Jordan PS- Does anybody know if there is a Jamman upgrade higher than Vrs. 2.08 that Bob Sellon has made available which includes an UNDO function ? For that matter, does anybody know how to contact Bob Sellon ? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 10 23:32:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09184; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:31:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:31:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:30:01 EDT Subject: Re: Am I nuts ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Resent-Message-ID: <8NjbP.A.pOC.aHFv5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/10/00 10:41:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jordanpease@webtv.net writes: << One thing that really bugs me is that sometimes if I erase a loop and start again several times in a row, I loose sync with the drum machine. This is especially troubling when I already have a loop going that I'm overdubbing onto. That has NEVER happened with the Jamman. (I've got two Echoplexes hooked-up in a stereo configuration). One of the features that the Jamman lacks that I was excited to have on the Echoplex was the UNDO function. I find that it doesn't work as I would expect it to... >> I also just started using an Echoplex (migrating from the Jamman environment) and observed the above as well. The UNDO function doesn't always seem to undo. I'm not sure if this is a configuration issue or just the way the UNDO function works (or rather doesn't). I've also noticed an intermittent problem with losing sync to a drum machine. Ultimately, I guess, I was trying to use the Echoplex in a similar fashion as I had used the Jamman (which is, needless to say, not optimizing the Echoplex's capabilities) and I moved away from that setup. Rather, I've been entering drum/percussion directly into the Echoplex using a Hart percussion pad to trigger an Alesis DM5. Then, I've been adding guitar rhythm or bass patterns, building up several fuller loops then recording the whole mess to my Roland VS840EX. Once, I have some good backgrounds prepared, I solo over the whole shebang and record, again, via the VS840EX. Later.....Paul from "the Butch Band" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 01:34:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10733; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:33:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:33:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: mhamburg@mailsj-v1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:34:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: WAY OT: Warez - A Rebuttal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:46 AM -0700 9/10/00, Ben Porter wrote: >Well all this talk of warez and such fails to recognize a simple idea: >economics and how that applies to the software industry. > >Lets first look at physical products that you go and buy, like cars. What >kind of car do you think is a better car a top of the line Mercedes or a >Honda Civic? I'm willing to bet most people would think the Mercedes a >better car. Why? Because it cost more. It's a pretty simple idea. If >something costs more it is generally seen as being "better". > >Apply this idea to software. I'll use Adobe for example. They have various >versions of Photoshop available. They range in price from, I think, $40 >for a consumer level version to about $800 for a professional version. Now >the two versions are different, but the Pro version is not going to be >2000% better than the consumer level version as the price difference would >indicate. Photoshop LE is about $99. The full version of Photoshop is about $609. That's roughly a factor of 6. Is the full version 6 times better? That depends on what you need. Do you need CMYK editing for pre-press? Do you need extensive web optimization options? If so, then arguably the full version is infinitely better since it meets your needs and LE doesn't. Want something more concrete? Extensis MaskPro sells for about $199. The full version of Photoshop also includes professional masking tools -- not identical to those in MaskPro but competitive or better -- and those features aren't in LE. Is the full version of Photoshop's price out of line? A lot of prosumer digital cameras sell for more. (Let's not even talk about professional digital cameras.) Those cameras will probably be obsolete in a couple years and you won't be able to buy an upgrade for them. Now, yes, those cameras cost more to produce per unit than do boxes of Photoshop. The camera manufacturers probably aren't living that close to the edge yet, however, since this hasn't become a commodity market. (Even in the commodity PC market, it's just the systems assemblers that are getting squeezed. Intel still enjoys quite high margins per chip.) > >Now, lets look at manufacturing costs. A software company has to >manufacture a CD, a manual, and a display box. Go look at how much it >costs to get some CD's printed. This "manufacturing" can't cost more than >about $3 a unit to produce. A fraction of what it would cost to actually >manufacture an actual hardware product. > >But, you could argue about R&D costs. Well, any hardware manufacturer is >probably going to have to pay as much, if not more, than any software >manufacturer. With software you've got programmers, more programmers and >management. With hardware, you've got design team engineers, manufacturing >engineers, production workers, etc. and management. So, your R&D can't >cost very much when all your company does is programming. That argues that hardware probably has more R & D to recoop. It doesn't really argue that software has a small amount of R & D. Most software sells relatively few copies relative to hardware in the computer industry. A lot of software titles don't make all that much money once one factors in R & D. The broad successes like Photoshop pay for the more narrow products. The narrower the niche, and music is pretty narrow, the more important it becomes for people to pay for the software because there aren't other sources of revenue available to the software developer. >To me it is hard to argue that software is worth what it costs. Companies >like the above mentioned Adobe sell bundled software packages for up to >half of what it costs for the individual pieces of software. They can't be >losing any kind of money for this, so why don't they just sell all of >there software for half the cost? I think the hope is to be able to say, "If you want Photoshop, can we entice you to buy X, Y, and Z as well for a discount." >Well, no. There is plenty of freeware and shareware software out there. It >costs absolutely nothing to use. So, even if no one paid there would still >be software. Ever heard of Linux? Where would Linux be if it hadn't had Unix to copy? Where would GIMP be if it hadn't had Photoshop to copy? Yes, there would probably be software even if no one paid, but it would probably be quite different from what you encounter right now. Or to put it in a music related context, there are a lot of musicians who perform on the street hoping for donations. Some of them are actually reasonably good. Would the range of music that exists be different if no one ever paid musicians or all that musicians could get was donations for performing on the street? >Your logic about any hit song if very flawed. He could not have a hit song >without a contract to some big corporation. He could never make much money >off of that song due to the way the recording industry and copyright laws >work right now and so you are right back to the fact that if anyone >*stole* his song (a highly arguable statement) it would only be hurting >the big corporation that he has that contract with and he would never feel >much of a pinch unless he already was a huge, overbloated act, like >Metallica and U2. So, this automobile manufacturer is looking for some cool electronic music to put behind an ad and stumbles across a loopers tune on the web. Does the automobile manufacturer have the right to just use it? After all, the musician probably didn't really expect to make any money from it anyway. Another analogy: An awful lot of artwork goes for prices a lot higher than the cost of the canvas. This is also true for lots of reproductions, photographic prints, etc. which don't have any benefit of uniqueness. Do you have the right to walk into a photography gallery, steal a print, and leave cash for the cost of goods? Go paint your own pictures, take your own photographs, ... write your own software. Or find someone who is willing to do it for you at a price you are willing to pay. In summary, with respect to warez, Napster, etc.: It's the copyright holder's right to decide how the work gets reproduced and distributed. The copyright holder can decided to give something away or to charge a price for it. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 01:42:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10938; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:39:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:39:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <29.a004316.26edc9d3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:38:27 EDT Subject: RE: Acid for Mac Users To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: <7LkoB.A.TqC.0_Gv5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You're in luck.....checkout "Phrazer" at Welcom e to BitHeadz, Inc. I saw a preview of it at the NAMM show...these guys are really cool, and I use alot of their products already (Unity DS-1, Voodoo etc...) I am anxiously awaiting the release of this software! (or maybe it'll be on a WAREZ disc ;) john In a message dated 9/10/00 4:49:59 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: << I was wondering if anyone could tell me, are there any programs that are equivalent to Acid for Mac users? I am looking for a simple easy way to loop and sync beats,sounds etc..... Any suggestions? Thanks, M >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 01:43:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11071; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:42:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:42:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000911054201.17136.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:42:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: RE: Am I nuts ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8lK1GB.A.QsC.rCHv5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Jordan Pease wrote: > One thing that really bugs me is that sometimes if I erase a loop and > start again several times in a row, I loose sync with the drum > machine. Jordan, I believe I can explain what is happening here. I noticed a similar effect using brothersync and midi, and studied when and why sync was lost. I think that the loss of sync occurs when you erase a loop that was synced to your drum machine. Before yor re-record the loop, you need to wait for the sync pulse light to show on your EDP display. If you wait to see that pulse, your next recorded loop will sync properly. I assume you are running your drum machine the whole time, so that the sync pulses are incoming always. > > One of the features that the Jamman lacks that I was excited to have > on > the Echoplex was the UNDO function. I find that it doesn't work as I > would expect it to... Undo seems simple on the surface, but much deeper and variable once you dig into its nature. Both Kim and Mathias have written details on the behavior on undo, long press vs. short, and when in the cycle that you press undo. Also, remember the effect that the loop length and remaining memory have on undo (undo only goes as deep as the leftover memory). Check the archives for more details, or ask specific questions about undo. Keep exploring the edp, it's worth the effort. bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 01:52:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11345; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:52:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:52:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <4e.ae33d17.26edccd3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:51:15 EDT Subject: Re: EDP Tutorial and WAREZ To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, I think it would be a good idea for you to copy this WAREZ thread to use it as an example of how to use the MULTIPLY function to take what was an originally very short phrase, multiply it to be a longer phrase, overdub on it until you have alot of variations on your original theme....THEN let it loop for eternity until your audience walks out on you... john From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 02:04:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11598; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 02:04:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 02:04:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000911060330.14353.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:03:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Am I a fool ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Jordan Pease wrote: > Dear fellow lopers, > > My voice is a little shaky as I timidly ask: > > Am I a fool to sell my brand new Echoplexes now with the expectation > that the Electrix Repeater is going to be a superior product ? Jordan, you are the wise one, leading the pack. I forsee the Echoplexes becoming near worthless as soon as the repeater hits the market. My crystal ball says that if you can get $500 for the pair of EDPs you are doing great. I care about you so I am willing to send $600 for the pair of EDPs. We all know a new bird in the bush is worth 2 in the hand. Do you want paypal or money order? bret ;-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 05:04:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13482; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:02:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:02:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c01bcd$c41db220$0742e0d5@pandora.be> From: "Sound Mind" To: References: <39BBF204.DF82770F@mcleodusa.net> Subject: Re: Mixer Questions Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:53:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I own a Behringer 2642, and as a budget minded amateur, I'm very happy with it. For the price, you can't get that features on any other. I've got it three years now, and it still works fine. Mind you, it almost never left the house. A friend of mine moved it regurarly, and has had problems with his one. > 2. Two things I'm planning on doing with it, that I want to make sure > are possible (and don't have easier ways of doing them): > a. I plan on using one aux (say aux5) to send into a long delay (set > 100% wet) and then use another (say aux6) to send to my se-70 for pitch > shifting the delayed signal which will then be fed back to > aux5...outside of being very careful with levels, this should work, > right? Is there an easier way that might not take up so many mixer > channels? There are aux sends on fX returns that will do the job. > b. I recently got a used Vortex and want to be able to send just some > of the signals to it (instead of the whole mix). According to the info > at the Behringer site, there are inserts on the main outputs, but not on > the subgroup outputs. My thought, then is to route the signals I want > going to the Vortex into a pair of subgroups (say 1&2), feed sub outs > 1&2 into mixer inputs that are assigned to subgroups 3&4. If I then do > not assign subs 1&2 to main, but do assign 3&4 to main, it should be a > roundabout way of doing what the insert would do...right? I would go straight into the Vortex from the sub outs Jan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 05:23:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA14126; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:21:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:21:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010501c01bd1$d2726100$eb1d30d5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <017901c01a75$fcf84a00$7eae5cd1@-> Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #181 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:21:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill, public thanks for playing my music - I really appreciate it. If anyone wants to hear the track in question, or anything else off my solo album, it's all on my web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk are there any other LD people in the play list? Any of you got links to .ra or mp3 files? Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com SBN - solobassnetwork-subscribe@listbot.com "I know there's a balance, I see it when I swing past" - John Mellencamp > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > ======================= ======================== ============================== > 11:04 pm > Vangelis Main Titles Blade Runner (Atlantic) > Vangelis Blush Response Blade Runner (Atlantic) > Synthetic Block Ping Synthetic Block (Mindspore) > Dweller at the Generation Gerneration, Transmission, > Threshold (Parts 1, 2, & 3) Illumination (Eurock) > Kent Sparling In a Mumbling Sky Under New Manna (Jicama Salad > Co.) > Steve Lawson Pillow Mountain ...And Nothing But the Bass > (Pillow > Mountain Records) > Ian Boddy & Trace the Memory Distant Rituals (DiN) > Markus Reuter > Steve Roach Underground Clouds Atmospheric Conditions > (Timeroom) > Over a Secret Grotto * > > 12:00 am > Cosmic Hoffmann Beyond the Galaxy Beyond the Galaxy (Heart and > Mind) > Cosmic Hoffmann The Gates of Jahore Pt1 Beyond the Galaxy (Heart and > Mind) > Cosmic Hoffmann Howling Wolves Beyond the Galaxy (Heart and > Mind) > Cosmic Hoffmann The Gates of Jahore Pt2 Beyond the Galaxy (Heart and > Mind) > Cosmic Hoffmann Wanderers of Time * Beyond the Galaxy (Heart and > Mind) > > 1:00 am > > * = exerpt > VA = Various Artists (compilation) > > On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the the E-Live 2000 > festival in Veldhoven, the Netherlands on September 10. The feature CD at > midnight > will be "Energy" by Elektronische Maschine. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 05:39:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA14412; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:38:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:38:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c01bd3$c30afae0$416202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: Warez - A Rebuttal Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:37:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I understood what you meant by potential profits. Still, like I said there are no potential profits from me at the moment as the only question that is is whether to have it or not. And no, I'm not offended. I actually enjoyed the thread a lot:))) I got some new ideas in which I'll fill you in the next days. Right now, I'm a little bit to busy.:))) greetings, gregor ----- Original Message ----- First, what I meant by "potential profits" is the revenue that would have been generated for the software company had the software been purchased. Once a free copy of the software has been attained it's not likely that the user will purchase an additional copy from the company. Therefore the potential for profit from that software user has been lost. I know that some people do use "illegal" copies of software as a demo before purchasing the software, so my argument doesn't hold up under all circumstances. And secondly, I hope that no-one here felt I was placing any blame or calling any one immoral. I'm not perfect and don't ever want to be. I was just following the conversation (or what it had become ...) and thought I'd give my 2 cents on how I came to my decision on the subject. If I offended anyone I truly am sorry. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 05:51:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA14694; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:50:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:50:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c01bd5$6edc76e0$416202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: Warez - A Rebuttal Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:44:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <6vixOD.A.DkD.zqKv5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree with you up to a point. That is, I can hear whether the music was made as a resultat of creativity or if it was made with financial goals in mind. That's were I distingiush "honest music" from other stuff. This doesn't necessarly mean that there's same distinction between good and bad. actually, i'm trying to look as music as "likeable and non-likeable". But there's no way you can hear if the author used a warezed copy.:)) greetings, gregor ><< Can you explain me how can you tell if the music is honest when you hit >play > on the CD? >> > >I don't know about anyone else, but I know I can tell, and yet I don't know >how to quantify that judgment. > >And, it may simply be honest about how fucked up it is, too. Things are >revealed in music that are not revealed in direct, person-to-person >experience. > >And every musical event involves two: the musician and the listener. Each >brings his/her own frames of reference to the event. (Most American frames >of reference are shaped by that BSb/Britney mentality, and it has always been >so. Pop culture is what it is. This makes 'art' more difficult. Somewhere >there are gray areas, too, and those who wish to subvert this paradigm.) > >Can you tell when another person is lying to you? It's the same question, >really... > >I'm glad this thread has erupted this way... how it gets around to looping, I >don't know, but these are things musicians should think about, loopers or >not. > >All of the above is my judgment (IMFA). > >Kevin > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 05:51:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA14699; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:50:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:50:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c01bd5$6f9e4040$416202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: EDP Tutorial and WAREZ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:48:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hahaha, good one:)) Or it can demostrate that a song can be made from very little. You only have to stick to it for a while:)) greetings, gregor >Kim, >I think it would be a good idea for you to copy this WAREZ thread to use it >as an example of how to use the MULTIPLY function to take what was an >originally very short phrase, multiply it to be a longer phrase, overdub on >it until you have alot of variations on your original theme....THEN let it >loop for eternity until your audience walks out on you... >john > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 06:00:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA15069; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:59:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:59:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 02:56:29 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Am I nuts ? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:30 PM -0700 9/10/00, PaulPokr@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 9/10/00 10:41:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >jordanpease@webtv.net writes: > ><< One thing that really bugs me is that sometimes if I erase a loop and > start again several times in a row, I loose sync with the drum machine. > This is especially troubling when I already have a loop going that I'm > overdubbing onto. That has NEVER happened with the Jamman. (I've got two > Echoplexes hooked-up in a stereo configuration). > > One of the features that the Jamman lacks that I was excited to have on > the Echoplex was the UNDO function. I find that it doesn't work as I > would expect it to... >> > >I also just started using an Echoplex (migrating from the Jamman >environment) and observed the above as well. The UNDO function doesn't always >seem to undo. I'm not sure if this is a configuration issue or just the way >the UNDO function works (or rather doesn't). Mostly, you need to understand how Undo works in the Echoplex in order to use it to its fullest. It is a powerful feature with several options. Once you understand it a little better, you will find it is not difficult to use at all. Just practice it a bit, experiment some, and you will have it. But if you have not yet learned about such things as the differences between short-press Undo and long-press Undo, and how the memory is used, you may find it a little confusing. Undo is explained reasonably in the Echoplex manual, I encourage you to read the manual section called "Undo". Also, this was discussed on the list just last week, you may wish to reread those postings: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200009/msg00082.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200009/msg00084.html and a quick mailing list archive search reveals many more informative posts: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199707/msg00310.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199708/msg00009.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199709/msg00275.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199802/msg00706.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199802/msg00728.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199806/msg00209.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199806/msg00219.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199811/msg00329.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199903/msg00152.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199903/msg00170.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200005/msg00254.html http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200005/msg00270.html there were many many many others. The list archive are an enormous resource. Answers to so many questions are there, you just need to look. So USE IT! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 06:05:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15338; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 06:04:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 06:04:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 03:00:29 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Tutorial and WAREZ In-reply-to: <4e.ae33d17.26edccd3@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:51 PM -0700 9/10/00, JohnFlem@aol.com wrote: >Kim, >I think it would be a good idea for you to copy this WAREZ thread to use it >as an example of how to use the MULTIPLY function to take what was an >originally very short phrase, multiply it to be a longer phrase, overdub on >it until you have alot of variations on your original theme....THEN let it >loop for eternity until your audience walks out on you... It's more like the Insert function. Quote the entire previous post, but add a little section to the top or in the middle or at the end. Keep doing that and watch it get longer and longer and longer and longer..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 06:28:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15648; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 06:28:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 06:28:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Mixer Questions - Behringer MX2642A Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:30:36 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01c01bdb$5344cee0$0301a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <39BBF204.DF82770F@mcleodusa.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jon, I owned a Behringer MX2642 (the old model) for four years now (I got it when I didn't want to use my Fostex 280 Multitrack anymore), when it was still expensive (paid DM1200, now ~ $580, back then about $800), and when I assembled my live rack and realized that my Mackie 1202 VLZ Pro was way too small, I got a MX2642A for ~ $300 used, mint condition. Yes, you are right, the Behringer is without competition in its price range, and although many people attack Behringer for stealing technological concepts (which is true, look for example at the appearance of the Mute/Alt 1/2 button on the new generation of the Behringer 2802). technical rundown: noise levels and frequency response are well above the comparable Mackie products for example. People always go on about eq's and their respective quality, "warmth" et al, all I have to say is I get along with them. The idea to use a 4-band graphic eq instead of the 3-band semiparametric for the stereo channels is something one could argue about - in my case, the stereo channels are mostly used for synths, so there isn't the need for that much eq correction. The four additional stereo ins (channel 17-24) only have two aux sends available each (1&3 for channel A and B, 2&4 for channel C and D), so some planning might be useful when connecting your equipment. connections: I use the console together with Behringer Ultramizer (Mastering Processor), Digitech Studio4 (Multifx), Sony HR-GP5 (Guitar MultiFX), Digitech RDS2001 (oldschool delay/chorus/flanger), MAM RS3 (analogue filter), E-Mu ESi-32 (Sampler), Behringer Composer (Compressor/Gate), Yamaha SY85 (Synth Workstation), Korg Prophecy (Synth), Quasimidi Sirius (Techno workstation), Line6 DL4 (delay modeler/looper), Akai Headrush (delay/looper), Korg AX1000G (guitar floorboard). Tricky Stuff: Aux 1&3->Studio4, Aux 2->Sony, Aux 4->Headrush, Aux 5->RS3, Aux 6->RDS2001, Sub 1&2->DL4, Sub 3&4->ESi-32, Control Out -> Sirius Carrier (used for Vocoder and for Beat recognition system), Direct out of channel 2 (vocals) -> Sirius Analyze (for Vocoder). The Composer is inserted in channel 1&2 (vocals and trombone/sax). The effects use the additional stereo inputs (A->Studio4, B->RS3, C->Studio4, D->Sony) while the loop-based devices are fed to "normal" channels to allow for extensive effects treatment. The output feeds the Ultramizer, which in turn feeds the PA (via its XLR outputs). The Main insert is used as a direct out for tape recording. philsosophy: using the control output of the console for the Sirius Carrier in, anything can function as a vocoder carrier or as a source for the beat recognition system (important to synchronize the Sirius' step sequencer to a running loop, and in turn syncing any MIDI gear like synced delays to the loop). Also, as everything can be routed to the subs, so can everything be looped into the dl4 or sampled with the ESi-32. There are some limitations with the aux-connected effects, as channels A-D can only feed two specific auxes (see above), and channel 1-16 can only feed either aux 3&4 or 5&6. For this, I tried to connect only devices to Channel A-D that normally don't need extensive effects treatment (as the multieffects). Aux 1&2 are used for the most flexible multi-fx, while the pairs 3&4 and 5&6 each have one loop-oriented effect in the pair (Headrush re RDS2001). I constructed this setup only a short time ago (july), but had considerable success using it so far. The Behringer functions great in its role, as does my old Behringer MX 2642... Cheers, Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks www.moinlabs.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 08:27:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16993; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:27:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:27:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39BCD0B3.3D54875F@mcleodusa.net> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 07:31:47 -0500 From: Jon Southwood X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mixer Questions References: <39BBF204.DF82770F@mcleodusa.net> <007f01c01bcd$c41db220$0742e0d5@pandora.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jan and Rainer, Thanks for the replies. I'm a little concerned about Jan's comment about his friend having troubles with the mixer when he moved it a lot. I plan on using it for both home studio and live use (though in Eastern Iowa, there aren't many opportunities for live looping performances--so it probably won't get moved too often). > > the subgroup outputs. My thought, then is to route the signals I want > > going to the Vortex into a pair of subgroups (say 1&2), feed sub outs > > 1&2 into mixer inputs that are assigned to subgroups 3&4. If I then do > > not assign subs 1&2 to main, but do assign 3&4 to main, it should be a > > roundabout way of doing what the insert would do...right? > > I would go straight into the Vortex from the sub outs > Oops...I meant to say: "feed sub outs 1&2 into the Vortex, from the Vortex outs into mixer inputs that are assigned to subgroups 3&4." Basically, I can only really deal with two final outputs from the mixer, so I wanted to pump the Vortex mix back into the mixer so that it could be mixed with the non-Vortex mix to come out the main L and R outputs. Given the complexity of Rainer's setup, I think I'm only scratching the surface with my proposed use. Rainer, are you only using the single output from the Headrush or have you implemented the four "tape-delay" outputs as well? I shudder when I think of all the craziness I could invoke with the edp, headrush, and vortex each doing their own things... Thanks again. If there are others out there who have experience with this mixer in a looping rig I'd love to hear about them, both positive and negative. Cheers, Jon Southwood From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 10:33:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18780; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:32:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:32:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200009111431.HAA16520@mail.eskimo.com> From: muman@eskimo.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 07:31:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Am I a fool ? Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20000911060330.14353.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Jordan, > you are the wise one, leading the pack. I forsee the Echoplexes > becoming near worthless as soon as the repeater hits the market. My > crystal ball says that if you can get $500 for the pair of EDPs you are > doing great. I care about you so I am willing to send $600 for the > pair of EDPs. > > We all know a new bird in the bush is worth 2 in the hand. > > Do you want paypal or money order? > bret ;-) > > Jordan, As a lurker to this group, I agree with you. Without even going to the Repeater site, I think they will be the next bigh thing. Huge! I also agree with Bret, that a machine in development is worth much more than the machines that you actually have in your possesion. With that in mind and an apology to Bret, I would be more than happy to pay $700 for your two EDP's. PayPal or Money Order. Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 10:36:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18992; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:36:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:36:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000911143514.10265.qmail@web1103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 07:35:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Martin Subject: Echoplex sighting in concert To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I caught the Trey Gunn Band in Detroit on Saturday night, and Trey's rack included, among other things, two Echoplexi (both an Oberheim and a Gibson). I didn't notice any obvious looping during the show, although some of the atmospheric stuff might have been looped. I was too busy goggling at the amazing technique and sensitivity displayed by this band. If you get a chance, check them out - watching Trey play a solo by tapping on the Warr with a Smokey amp, or holding it behind the neck for sustain, is alone worth the price of admission. Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 10:37:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19163; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:37:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:37:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018c01c01bfd$4345d620$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Warez - A Rebuttal Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:33:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good rebuttal, Kevin. I agree with you (mostly...say 95%). Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 10:41:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19456; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:41:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:41:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000911144013.11608.qmail@web1103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 07:40:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Martin Subject: Bill Frisell video available To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Bill Frisell instructional video is once again available. I believe it was shot in the early 90s; it features Bill with the Kermit Driscoll/Joey Baron rhythm section, playing live ("When We Go", "Strange Meeting", "Days of Wine and Roses"), and several instructional "chapters" in which he discusses his playing and composing. The equipment section highlights BF's use of the Digitech Echo Plus for looping. You can order the video from www.musicdispatch.com. Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 10:41:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19476; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:41:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:41:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019a01c01bfd$b8165100$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <000201c01bd3$c30afae0$416202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> Subject: Re: Warez - A Rebuttal Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:36:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "Gregor Zavcer" > And no, I'm not offended. I actually enjoyed the thread a lot:))) I got some > new ideas in which I'll fill you in the next days. Right now, I'm a little > bit to busy.:))) Wow! A reasonable, interesting, informative discussion. Wait! Am I REALLY on the web? :) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 11:31:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20653; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:29:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:29:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <30E955A829F8D311A447006097C83E7909C4B1@goofy.bitlab.de> From: StephanN To: "'Peter Shindler'" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: AW: making the most of cheap equipment Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:29:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Peter, hi loopers, thank you for your funny applications for "unperfected" equipment. here is one out of my trick-box (I have an old (13 years) Ibanez 4-seconds delay which is in a state o decomposing but still fun) while looping, try to tap the "hold" pedal as much as you like or process the ready loop by doing the same. this will chop your loop to pieces. My delay has a switch to preset the delay times in 4 stages. when I loop in one of this stages, the other ram is only partially overwritten. this means, when switching between stages I get a collage of the different loops I recorded before - mysterious :-) and amazing. I don't really know the DOD-pedal you describe. I allways liked the things Bill Frisell did with his pedal. some of the effects you describe (the octave and pitching thing) sound like what he does. he does reverse-effects to. can the dod do that and is it still available (I cannot find it in the tools section of looper's delight) Please have mercy if I ask totally stupid basic question. I have been out of processing for years. I remembered my old Ibanez when I could not find someone to do that electro-stuff in a project I just started. As I found it difficult to create in-time-loops I searched the web for tools and found the list. regards stephan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 11:36:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20439; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:22:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:22:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01b301c01c05$3ae42ba0$1ab4f9d0@mecasw.com> From: "Ken M" To: References: <000201c01bd3$c30afae0$416202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> <019a01c01bfd$b8165100$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Warez - A Rebuttal's rebuttal Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:30:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Before this thread dies -- one more point to consider about "warezing" in general. Warezing is simply another word for a mass distribution paradigm that is only recently being understood by the marketplace. Those who are beginning to understand it give out their products in slightly crippled - but functional - version that entices the user to want to buy it without forcing them to find a warezed version. By electing to make available a freely distributable, nearly fully featured, version of their software - the company shortcuts 90% of the pirate scene by making it easier to get their copy than to search the sites looking for a rip/warezed version. These new companies of the new digital millenia understand that the more computers their software resides on, the more chance they have of touching on the "select few" who are willing to buy their software in the first place. The unlimited distribution mechanism of the internet actually gives companies and software writers the ability to earn MORE by undercutting their expensive over the counter, shrink-wrap and ship methods which reach very few people in comparison. As an analogy - let's use Stephen King's new novella which did not appear in print. He decided to only distribute it over the Internet in segments. He also made note that if enough people did not purchase the first installment, there would be no follow-up installments. On the first day of it's release, it was everywhere - all over the warez scene and on everyone's computer. It was distributed everywhere instantly by everybody. The point? Even though it was pirated more than any other book in history, he also made more in sales on that first volume than he made on all other books he ever wrote because the people who cared payed for it. Think it through, chew on it. Taste the flavor of the new paradigm. THAT is the power of the internet distribution methodology. THAT is the truth of the future staring at us in the face which must be embraced. The same goes for music - MP3's and the like. Give it away easily in a slightly denatured format (22k for instance), and let those who care enough pay for it. Give incentives (cover art, extra tracks, hidden trick PC stuff, 44k high-fidelity sound vs 22k MP3's). Put YOUR copies of the MP3's in the warez scene.. Put YOUR copies on Napster and on MP3.com.. Make YOUR versions with YOUR copyright in tact (and a link to your web site to buy the real thing) available to the world. Make it easier to get your versions than looking for one in the warez scene, and then those who care will pay, those who don't will end up deleting it anyway. The fact is that there will ALWAYS be those who won't pay for it no matter WHAT scheme you come up with to protect your "interests". It is simply impossible to control the distribution of anything digital with a far-reaching digital network like the Internet. Instead of fighting the tidal wave, grab a surf board and enjoy the ride. For the first time in the history of mankind, the world is at our fingertips and I'll be damned if I'm not going to have my work be everywhere, all the time, and still profit from it. Good luck to you all. Ken Melms Programmer/Musician/Internet Guru From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 11:46:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21114; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:45:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:45:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000001c01c07$9ea16520$7a926fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <000001c01b6e$f18a5060$35e8b094@kw003> Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 04:05:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01C01BA5.7CE4D820" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C01BA5.7CE4D820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John, Take your signature off and you will be unsubscribed. 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------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C01BA5.7CE4D820-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 12:30:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21831; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:29:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:29:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000910113743.01f00da0@mail.redmoon-music.com> References: <20918-39BB9AAA-704@storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:16:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Am I a fool ? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >While I have a simple "one word-two letter" answer all prepped and waiting >to spring off of my fingers for you, it would benefit anyone in this >position to wait a couple of more weeks for Electrix to post more >information about the Repeater on their web site. > >They will be releasing more feature and spec data after the AES show. I would agree here...I might jump on the repeater as fast as i can (tried to put in an advance order with my locat GC, but the pro audio manager just said "oh, well let me take your number and i'll give you a call when i hear something...yeah right), but i'm still going to wait until i see the thing in front of me. This box promises to be something sweet, IMO, but don't sell your EDP's just yet! My experience with the Electrix products has been that they are super fun, and repond EXTREMELY well, interface-wise. If this box does what they say it will, look out! But considering their other boxes, this is a venture into new territory. MoFx - great interface, but it's still a tremelo, flanger, distortion and delay with eq band-pass interface. Warp Factory - digitally controlled vococoder Filter Factory - Analogue filter Filter Queen - scaled down analogue filter EQKiller - aggressive eq band killer Awesome products...no doubt (i sat at a Mars music this weekend with the Korg analog modeling synth hooked up to a MoFx and a Warp factory...i played for almost an hour...tons of fun) but all of these things have been done before...Electrix has just packaged it better than the average bear, IMO. The Repeater, however...hmmm, totally new beast altogether. Keeping my fingers crossed. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 12:43:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22159; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:42:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:42:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000911113031.00ee8bc0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:41:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Am I a fool ? In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000910113743.01f00da0@mail.redmoon-music.com> <20918-39BB9AAA-704@storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich (11:16 AM 09.11.2000) wrote: >MoFx - great interface, but it's still a tremelo, flanger, distortion and >delay with eq band-pass interface. >Warp Factory - digitally controlled vococoder >Filter Factory - Analogue filter >Filter Queen - scaled down analogue filter >EQKiller - aggressive eq band killer > >Awesome products...no doubt (i sat at a Mars music this weekend with the >Korg analog modeling synth hooked up to a MoFx and a Warp factory...i >played for almost an hour...tons of fun) but all of these things have been >done before...Electrix has just packaged it better than the average bear, >IMO. The root functionality of these products (delays, filters, etc) have been done before, but look a little deeper into the products for special touches. e.g., the EQ Killer can actually cut to infinity; the distortion on the MoFx can be switched to show up in front of the other 3 effects; the Warp Factory is performing some great harmonic magic that I haven't heard in any other vocoder... It's kinda' like looking at all the phaser products that have come and gone through the years. Phasing is a concept that's been done, done and done for a long time; but there are solid stand-out products along the way that push the concept just a bit off the edge, like the Mutron BiPhase or the original Moog 12 stage (and the MF-103 from Big Briar!). Electrix has a good handle on what makes something music *and* useful in a production environment. I have a ton of delay lines, but I gotta say that I've been having the most fun with the MoFx. The combination of neat little touches and the presentation packaging makes the box just a joy to use. >The Repeater, however...hmmm, totally new beast altogether. Keeping my >fingers crossed. Actually.. It's not all that different for them. I know what you're saying, but you have to remember who Electrix is. Electrix is a division of IVL: http://www.ivl.com/main.htm IVL has been doing _premier_ work in pitch shifting, time slicing and other DSP laden functionality for a LONG time. They license their DSP code to a number of _major_ manufacturers. Electrix knows a LOT about DSP in general, and pitch/time mangling in specific. They're well poised to make a killer looping box. :) Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 13:05:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22730; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:04:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:04:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000911113031.00ee8bc0@mail.redmoon-music.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000910113743.01f00da0@mail.redmoon-music.com> <20918-39BB9AAA-704@storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:51:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Am I a fool ? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Electrix has a good handle on what makes something music *and* useful in a >production environment. I have a ton of delay lines, but I gotta say that >I've been having the most fun with the MoFx. The combination of neat little >touches and the presentation packaging makes the box just a joy to use. agreed. did it seem like i was slagging on the company? gee wilikers, i've feel like i've been going over the top talking about their products... it's just that what the Repeater is claiming to do is quite complex, and implementation of complex dsp doesn't always come in the simplest user interface, as some EDP users can attest, as well as the Max/Kyma/Orville contingency. Electrix products, IMO, shine through simple, well designed user interface... So we shall see how this puppy pans out. My biggest question is: why are they not releasing the footpedal at the same time as the unit? They mention the 3-button footswitch for their other products that has never surfaced. Is there potential for the same thing to happen to the Repeater? rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 13:12:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23077; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:11:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:11:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000911120422.00fd0bb0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:10:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Am I a fool ? In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000911113031.00ee8bc0@mail.redmoon-music.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000910113743.01f00da0@mail.redmoon-music.com> <20918-39BB9AAA-704@storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich (11:51 AM 09.11.2000) wrote: >>Electrix has a good handle on what makes something music *and* useful in a >>production environment. I have a ton of delay lines, but I gotta say that >>I've been having the most fun with the MoFx. The combination of neat little >>touches and the presentation packaging makes the box just a joy to use. > >agreed. did it seem like i was slagging on the company? gee wilikers, >i've feel like i've been going over the top talking about their products... Nah, sorry... I was aiming for my own clarification on what you may of meant by saying that the products were "packaged" better. I wanted to push that line out farther and say that it's not just a _physical_ packaging issue (which is what I thought you were talking about). >it's just that what the Repeater is claiming to do is quite complex, and >implementation of complex dsp doesn't always come in the simplest user >interface, as some EDP users can attest, as well as the Max/Kyma/Orville >contingency. Yeup, I agree. I think they have it right though. Because... >Electrix products, IMO, shine through simple, well designed user interface... ...they don't want to screw up people being able to make this statement. :) >So we shall see how this puppy pans out. My biggest question is: why are >they not releasing the footpedal at the same time as the unit? They >mention the 3-button footswitch for their other products that has never >surfaced. Is there potential for the same thing to happen to the Repeater? Dunno. But Damon has said that _everything_ on the Repeater is available to MIDI, so there may be something more than a 3-button in the works. Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 13:20:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23628; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:20:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:20:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:18:02 EDT Subject: Re: Echoplex sighting in concert To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I saw TG in Omaha last Sunday, the tour opener. I saw the Echoplexes light up once, but the loop was pretty low-level. Great band!! Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 13:52:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24463; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:51:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:51:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39BD1B4A.57DC46F6@best.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:50:02 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sharks Lungs in Haggis? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Sharks Lungs in Haggis" sounds like a perfect title for a new King Crimson tune. I wonder how it would go? Probably lots of discord and a 5/8 over 7/8 meter to evoke contrary motion. Would it also utilize looping? Hope so! :-) Allan (p.s. my edp still works) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 14:06:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25061; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:05:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:05:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:03:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sharks Lungs in Haggis? In-Reply-To: <39BD1B4A.57DC46F6@best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <_qUydB.A.kGG.v5Rv5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Allan Hoeltje wrote: > "Sharks Lungs in Haggis" sounds like a perfect title for a new King Crimson > tune. isn't that the LP before _Starkist and Tribal Hack_? rbrt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 14:10:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25449; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:10:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:10:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39BD21B4.F0A4F8CC@voicenet.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:17:24 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Looper's Delight CD #1 Still forsale... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There are still a few copies of Looper's Delight CD#1 for sale directly form Help Wanted Productions. Due to the effort put into the re-release and our current sales I have decided this will be the last full run of CD#1 including the original full color graphics inserts (which are quite something). When this shipment are sold out LDCD#1 will only be available as a CDr with a generic cover. The good news is we have also finally broken even on sales so all purchases from now on will turn around immediate royalties to the LD website and help Kim keep the LD list and site going. The last royalty payment was in January folks, so show your looping colors and get some $$ into his hands while getting a great cd at the same time! If you've ever wanted to get a copy of this fantastic CD now is the time to buy. We have about 24 copies left and they will be sold on a first come first serve basis. Here is the full ordering info and links to artist and track listings: The Looper's Delight - Subscriber's CD #1 - $12.00 Brought to you by the Looper's Delight web page and mailing list this CD contains 15 tracks of loop based music. Ranging from polished and multi-tracked acoustic and ambient excursions to lofi reel-to-reel nonsense this CD is a great introduction to a group of musicians from around the world who like to loop. To Order this CD: Send $12 (in the US) or $13 (from canada and the rest of the World) payable in US funds to: Help Wanted Productions - PO Box 2205, Phila., Pa 19103 Web page with links to artists and reviews: http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/ldcd1.htm Full LD page on CD#1: http://www.loopers-delight.com/cd1/LDCD1.htm Thanks for your interest. ________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 14:25:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25908; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:22:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:22:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130935@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: gig spam for san francisco, usa Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:11:59 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, as part of the cmj festivities a night at bruno's in san francisco: saturday, 16 september 2000 10 p.m.: alex cline (drumset/percussion), ge stinson (guitars/loopage/implements), jeff gauthier (violins/loopage) 11 p.m.: nels cline (guitars/loopage) trio (with steuart liebig, basses/loopage/stuff, and alex cline) 12 midnight: alex cline (drumset/percussion), ge stinson (guitars/loopage/implements), jeff gauthier (violins/loopage) 1 a.m.: nels cline (guitars/loopage) trio (with steuart liebig, basses/loopage/stuff, and alex cline) Bruno's 2389 Mission Street (between 19th and 20th) 415 648-7701. Their website is http://www.brunoslive.com/club/index.html a gig we decided to do since we'll all be in the same city for a change . . . sunday, 17 september 2000 7 p.m.: stinkbug scott amendola (drumset), nels cline (guitars/loopage), steuart liebig (basses/loopage/stuff), ge stinson (guitars/loopage/implements) at hotel utah (which i think is here: Hotel Utah 500 4th St. (4th @ Bryant) phone: 415.546.6300) stig p.s. miko lost yer e-mail!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 14:36:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26367; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:34:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:34:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:58:42 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Am I a fool ? In-reply-to: <4.3.2.7.2.20000911113031.00ee8bc0@mail.redmoon-music.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000910113743.01f00da0@mail.redmoon-music.com> <20918-39BB9AAA-704@storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:41 AM -0700 9/11/00, Mark Pulver wrote: > >The Repeater, however...hmmm, totally new beast altogether. Keeping my > >fingers crossed. > >Actually.. It's not all that different for them. I know what you're saying, >but you have to remember who Electrix is. > >Electrix is a division of IVL: > > http://www.ivl.com/main.htm > >IVL has been doing _premier_ work in pitch shifting, time slicing and other >DSP laden functionality for a LONG time. They license their DSP code to a >number of _major_ manufacturers. > >Electrix knows a LOT about DSP in general, and pitch/time mangling in >specific. They're well poised to make a killer looping box. :) interesting, except that looping is inherently not a DSP algorithm. It is nice to add the digital processing into the mix, but all the primary looping functions are about controlling existing data, not about processing it. You have to get that data control/loop function stuff right first. If you look at all the major looping boxes of the past, none of them were based on DSP. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 14:44:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26725; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:43:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:43:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000911133755.00f29a90@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:42:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Am I a fool ? In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000911113031.00ee8bc0@mail.redmoon-music.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000910113743.01f00da0@mail.redmoon-music.com> <20918-39BB9AAA-704@storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <5S6dJB.A.HhG.OfSv5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint (12:58 PM 09.11.2000) wrote: >>Electrix is a division of IVL: >> >> http://www.ivl.com/main.htm >> >>IVL has been doing _premier_ work in pitch shifting, time slicing and other >>DSP laden functionality for a LONG time. They license their DSP code to a >>number of _major_ manufacturers. >> >>Electrix knows a LOT about DSP in general, and pitch/time mangling in >>specific. They're well poised to make a killer looping box. :) > >interesting, except that looping is inherently not a DSP algorithm. Right, we've talked about this. :) The point is that part of the Repeater's market edge is the real-time pitch shifting and time mashing which is wrapped up within DSP fun, and is a lot of what will set this box off from other things out here. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 15:02:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27236; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:02:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:02:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c01c23$997fda60$dd7979a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: gig spam for san francisco, usa Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:06:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damn, wish I could be there- Alex is amazing- and of course Nels, well, need I say more? Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Liebig, Steuart A. To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Date: Monday, September 11, 2000 11:26 AM Subject: gig spam for san francisco, usa >hi, > > as part of the cmj festivities a night at bruno's in san francisco: > >saturday, 16 september 2000 > >10 p.m.: alex cline (drumset/percussion), ge stinson >(guitars/loopage/implements), jeff gauthier (violins/loopage) > >11 p.m.: nels cline (guitars/loopage) trio (with steuart liebig, >basses/loopage/stuff, and alex cline) > >12 midnight: alex cline (drumset/percussion), ge stinson >(guitars/loopage/implements), jeff gauthier (violins/loopage) > >1 a.m.: nels cline (guitars/loopage) trio (with steuart liebig, >basses/loopage/stuff, and alex cline) > > >Bruno's >2389 Mission Street (between 19th and 20th) >415 648-7701. > >Their website is http://www.brunoslive.com/club/index.html > > > >a gig we decided to do since we'll all be in the same city for a change . . >. > >sunday, 17 september 2000 > >7 p.m.: stinkbug scott amendola (drumset), nels cline (guitars/loopage), >steuart liebig (basses/loopage/stuff), ge stinson >(guitars/loopage/implements) > >at hotel utah > >(which i think is here: >Hotel Utah >500 4th St. >(4th @ Bryant) >phone: 415.546.6300) > >stig > >p.s. miko lost yer e-mail!!! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 15:43:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28281; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:42:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:42:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: Am I a fool ? Message-ID: <0056910007140516000002L162*@MHS> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:43:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 09/11/00 14:41:06" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA28146 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Although it is very very nice that someone new is working on a major looping product, IMHO opinion you would definitely have to be a nut to sell two (you lucky do you!) of the coolest looping tools ever in anticipation of a tool that is not out yet. The EDP may not be perfect, but I've yet to see anyhting that has matched it for real time, performance based, high quality audio. It is easy to use immediately and still has features to learn after months of practice. Most of all, the EDP has that mystical quality : it is musical. I have lot's of experience buying something that looked cool on paper only to find that it hindered real music production more than it assisted it. Here's to Kim and Co.! Yr brothr in looping, K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 16:34:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29314; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:33:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:33:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000910113743.01f00da0@mail.redmoon-music.com> <20918-39BB9AAA-704@storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:31:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Am I a fool ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >interesting, except that looping is inherently not a DSP algorithm. It is >nice to add the digital processing into the mix, but all the primary >looping functions are about controlling existing data, not about processing >it. You have to get that data control/loop function stuff right first. Good point (esp. good because it's arguable, imho), and many historical DSP architectures were not optimized for addressing the huge data memories as needed for looping. >If you look at all the major looping boxes of the past, none of them were >based on DSP. True, but if you look at the major DSP boxes of the past, few of them were based on DSP either. :-) -Alex From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 18:08:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30743; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:07:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:07:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200009112205.PAA19547@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:07:09 -0500 Subject: Re: Acid for Mac Users From: "michele wortman&guy aitchison" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right on! Thanks for the hot tip. Simplicity is key when you are a beginer like me! M ---------- >From: JohnFlem@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Acid for Mac Users >Date: Mon, Sep 11, 2000, 12:38 AM > > You're in luck.....checkout "Phrazer" at Welcom > e to BitHeadz, Inc. I saw a preview of it at the NAMM show...these guys > are really cool, and I use alot of their products already (Unity DS-1, Voodoo > etc...) I am anxiously awaiting the release of this software! (or maybe it'll > be on a WAREZ disc ;) > john > > In a message dated 9/10/00 4:49:59 AM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > > << I was wondering if anyone could tell me, are there any programs that are > equivalent to Acid for Mac users? I am looking for a simple easy way to loop > and sync beats,sounds etc..... Any suggestions? > > Thanks, M >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 19:06:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32192; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:06:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:06:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:05:26 -0700 Subject: Construkction Of Light From: Mark Sottilaro To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, was there a thread about this new and wonderful album from our looping pals in the big time? I picked it up last weekend and was blown away (I was a bit disappointed by Thrak) but I don't remember anywone talking about this little gem of an album. Anyway, if you're so inclined, pick it up. It's more along the lines of the three 80s era albums, but a little meaner. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 21:15:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02417; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:15:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:15:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008501c01c55$ffa25340$4f439cd1@default> Reply-To: "LARRY M FEINSTEIN" From: "LARRY M FEINSTEIN" To: Subject: Re: Construkction Of Light Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:08:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you think this cd kicks ass (and it certainly does) then you owe it to yourself to pick up the Projeckts 4 cd box set....music that is so good it defies description..... -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, September 11, 2000 7:14 PM Subject: Construkction Of Light >Hey, > >was there a thread about this new and wonderful album from our looping pals >in the big time? I picked it up last weekend and was blown away (I was a >bit disappointed by Thrak) but I don't remember anywone talking about this >little gem of an album. > >Anyway, if you're so inclined, pick it up. It's more along the lines of the >three 80s era albums, but a little meaner. > >Mark Sottilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 22:17:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03528; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:17:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:17:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <027001c01c5f$666156e0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <008501c01c55$ffa25340$4f439cd1@default> Subject: Re: Construkction Of Light Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:16:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...and if you think the Projekct box set is incredible, go to http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com and order the Projekct X album "Heaven and Earth," the best thing that King Crimson's ever done, period. (I think) Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "LARRY M FEINSTEIN" To: Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 9:08 PM Subject: Re: Construkction Of Light > If you think this cd kicks ass (and it certainly does) then you owe it to > yourself to pick up the Projeckts 4 cd box set....music that is so good it > defies description..... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sottilaro > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Date: Monday, September 11, 2000 7:14 PM > Subject: Construkction Of Light > > > >Hey, > > > >was there a thread about this new and wonderful album from our looping pals > >in the big time? I picked it up last weekend and was blown away (I was a > >bit disappointed by Thrak) but I don't remember anywone talking about this > >little gem of an album. > > > >Anyway, if you're so inclined, pick it up. It's more along the lines of > the > >three 80s era albums, but a little meaner. > > > >Mark Sottilaro > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 22:40:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04050; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:39:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:39:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02b401c01c62$b2127260$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <30E955A829F8D311A447006097C83E7909C4B1@goofy.bitlab.de> Subject: Re: making the most of cheap equipment Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:39:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "StephanN" To: "'Peter Shindler'" ; Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 11:29 AM Subject: AW: making the most of cheap equipment > Hi Peter, hi loopers, > > thank you for your funny applications for "unperfected" equipment. There's more where that came from! > I don't really know the DOD-pedal you describe. I allways liked the things > Bill Frisell did with his pedal. some of the effects you describe (the > octave and pitching thing) sound like what he does. he does reverse-effects > to. can the dod do that and is it still available (I cannot find it in the > tools section of looper's delight) The DOD DFX4 has been out of production for at least 4 years, which is a shame, for I haven't found a comparably-priced pedal that does the same things this one does. It retailed for about $180, but I got both of mine for about half of that. They turn up on Ebay now and then. The sound quality is surprisingly good, the controls are very intuitive, and it's also the smallest and most-easily-transported looper in existence. On the downside, it doesn't have any reverse-effects, it eats batteries like a sick MF on crack, and the only other way to power it is with a 10-volt adapter (that's right, ten) which apparently only DOD makes. And it maxes out at 4 seconds, it can only hold 10 or so layers at once, and there's no way to add more memory. Still, anyone looking for a pretty cheap and simple entry into looping would do well to try one of these little babies out. Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 11 22:49:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04388; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:48:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:48:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02ee01c01c63$f17831a0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: it's the DOD DFX94, sorry Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:48:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What a moron... I just bothered to look at the unit whose praises I've been singing, and noticed that it's a DOD DFX94, not DFX4. Sorry for any confusion that this may have caused. Really, I'm terribly embarrassed. Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 00:28:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06057; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 00:27:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 00:27:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39BDB2BC.28A226E@dmans.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:36:12 -0500 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: boomerang upgrade References: <6e.2d1b873.26e99cd2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got it and will blow it's mind shortly. :) Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > anyone get it yet?..........on tuesday i sent my rang to mike nelson for the > big fix...........it was like giving up my main loopslave..........ill keep > you posted if i dont jump off a bridge.........what a crazy > addiction............meds dont fail me now!.............:)......michael -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 04:02:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08184; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 04:01:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 04:01:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 02:59:01 -0500 From: "Ben Porter" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: azrix@n2music.com X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: WAY OT: Warez - A Rebuttal X-Sender-Ip: 216.76.238.25 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okay. Now my attempt to defend statements I made late at night in a sleepy haze ;-). On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:10:40 Sean wrote: >At 04:46 AM 9/10/2000 -0500, someone argued: >>Lets first look at physical products that you go and buy, like cars. What >kind >>of car do you think is a better car a top of the line Mercedes or a Honda >>Civic? I'm willing to bet most people would think the Mercedes a better car. >>Why? Because it cost more. It's a pretty simple idea. If something costs >more >>it is generally seen as being "better". >> >>Apply this idea to software. I'll use Adobe for example. They have various >>versions of Photoshop available. They range in price from, I think, $40 >for a >>consumer level version to about $800 for a professional version. Now the two >>versions are different, but the Pro version is not going to be 2000% better >>than the consumer level version as the price difference would indicate. > >Sounds like you're saying that the cost of physical products is justified >because they're physical. But, point taken - you don't think the pricing >of software is justified. I was also trying to say that certain people *percieve* certain versions of software to be good or better than the competition for the simple fact that they cost more than the others. I know. I've also fallen into this more$$$ = better product fantasy before. > >>Higher prices don't create better products. Just ask Microsoft. Competition >>creates better products, which usually creates lower prices. > >No one made the argument that higher prices create better products (except >possibly yourself in regard to cars or, at least, the perception of quality >in cars). > > >>Well, no. There is plenty of freeware and shareware software out there. It >>costs absolutely nothing to use. So, even if no one paid there would still >be >>software. Ever heard of Linux? > >shareware wouldn't survive if some people didn't pay. > > >>>* Stealing is an ethical and a legal issue... and stealing is wrong. >> >>But so is speeding, running red lights, not wearing your seat belt, carrying >>concealed weapons, viewing pornographic material if you are under eighteen >>years of age, drinking if you are under twenty-one, etc. Does that stop >anyone? > >Does it stop anyone? yeah it does. Does it stop everyone? no. so what? >Lots of people steal, therefore it's ok? No, it's not okay to steal. But all of those things that I mentioned are also "ethical and legal issues" and as such are also "wrong". But, I've never heard any "righteous" person going around telling everyone how *wrong* it is to speed. And I think we all know what happened when such said "righteous" people convinced the American government that drinking was *wrong*. I'm not condoning any part of warez, I just have a really big problem with anyone going around espousing some overly righteous view of right and wrong. Some people don't see a problem with it. Others do. So who's right? Err... Well... Ummm... The good guys? Please just leave it at that. >>>* When you *use* software that you have have not paid for, you are stealing. >> >>Well, I could argue "use" easily, so instead, I'll argue "paid for". Do you >>'pay' for using the library? Did the Pilgrims 'pay' for the land they >took? Do >>logging companies 'pay' for the trees they cut down in National Parks? Do >you >>'pay' for the oxygen your car burns? Do oil companies 'pay' for the damage >>their spilled tankers create? Do you 'pay' for using your friends swimming >>pool? Do you 'pay' for listening to the radio? Do I need to go on? > >Sounds like you're nitpicking the statement. Maybe that should have been >written: when you install, keep and extensively use commercial software >that has been cracked (or you have an illegally obtained password/key), and >do so without paying for it through the proper channels (legal distributor, >outlet or direct), you are stealing. (I threw in 'extensively use' to allow >for the gray area of demoing a cracked product for which no demo is available) > >and besides, tax payers pay for the library whether they use it or not; >radio is advertising paid for - you just put up with the commercials. >In the other cases you mention, there is either charity involved (using >your friend's pool), injustice or something else that I'm not sure how to >describe (in the case of oxygen burning). > >Are you trying to imply that because the north american continent was >invaded by europeans, anything goes? Or that because the pilgrims >inhabited the land stealing is ok? > No, I'm merely trying to point out the fact that by the definition that if you use something that you havn't paid for that you are stealing, then there are lots of things that have and are being done that would constitute "stealing". Again, I'm not trying to defend warez, I'm just trying to refute this rather silly and unneeded rebuttal on warez. And as for 'extensive use', well, when does using warez cease being a 'demo' and become 'stealing'? Ben Porter. What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 04:13:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08550; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 04:13:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 04:13:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Mixer Questions Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:15:05 +0200 Message-ID: <000701c01c91$8f48ea50$0301a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <39BCD0B3.3D54875F@mcleodusa.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jon, I can't comment on Jan's (2nd hand) experiences with moving the mixer around. Apart from my first MX2642, which has resided immobile at home since I bought it, the second one has seen some moving around mounted in a rack. i didn't have any problems so far, but I only had it since July, and only played a few gigs with it, so this isn't really what you'd consider a lot of mobile experience... Adressing your questing re the Headrush. No, I haven't used the individual outputs, simply because I haven't a console that large. Of course, I could feed the four individual E1 outs into the Mackies mono inputs, reroute two of the stereo ins of the Behringer into the Mackie and connect the 1/2 and 3/4 outs of the Mackie into the Behringer - but then, I'd need another rack (which I need anyway sooner or later, the current crap takes up 16HU in my 20HU rack, and planning already in a 1HU aplifier (a really weird thing a friend of mine designed, blowing out 2x200 watts sinus in a 1HU case with 6mm thick casing, and delivering 162dB SNR...I'm currently trying to convince this dude to design a looping device) and the repeater, there's not that much place left) and then I'll get a 7-string fretless bass guitar, a 14-string Phalanx Warr guitar, a soprillo saxophone, a soprano sax with extension to low G and duodecime key...:-) ...but I mainly use the Headrush as a looper, not for the tape echo effects, but I sure think it might sound funny treating the four outputs with different effects (not to speak of using it with a surrund console - re "The Seasick Looper", as mentioned in the Looper's Delight Archive). I'm really curious for the Repeater. If it only offers half the functionality everyone here is hoping for, it will open up a new world for me. Syncing loops via MIDI (an important feat for me), having loops in non-volatile memory (up to 50 minutes per interchangeable memory card), four polyphonic loops. This might open up the way for some feats currently available only using several independent loopers or a sampler. I recently played a live looping rendition of J.S. Bach "Passacaglia c-Minor" for Organ (BWV 582), where I put the bass line into the headrush, then sampled remaining melody parts into the ESi, which I could then trigger and stop during the performance. Of course a slight problem was the "user interface" of the sampler, obviously not optimized for live real-time sampling, which forced me to start and stop any loop with open strings. I hope with the Repeater this will come of easier...time to dream. Coming back to your Vortex question: I still don't understand what you're trying to accomplish. Did I get it right that you want to route your entire mix (or most of it) into the vortex, then feed the vortex back into the mixer and send the mix plus vortex to the PA or tape? If you want to send everything through the vortex, then why don't you use the main inserts? Cheers, Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks www.moinlabs.de > Oops...I meant to say: "feed sub outs 1&2 into the Vortex, from the > Vortex outs into mixer inputs that are assigned to subgroups 3&4." > Basically, I can only really deal with two final outputs from > the mixer, > so I wanted to pump the Vortex mix back into the mixer so > that it could > be mixed with the non-Vortex mix to come out the main L and R > outputs. > Given the complexity of Rainer's setup, I think I'm only > scratching the > surface with my proposed use. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 04:26:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08889; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 04:25:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 04:25:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Am I a fool ? Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:28:03 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c01c93$5f1a8e40$0301a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, > nice to add the digital processing into the mix, but all the primary > looping functions are about controlling existing data, not > about processing > it. You have to get that data control/loop function stuff right first. and part of the stuff a DSP can do is control existing data - look i.e. at the cyclic adressing scheme most DSPs I know of implement, which allow you to implement a simple looper on a DSP platform in no time and with minimum amount of code, including the Echoplex-style copy/append loop stuff, and if you're a bit tricky even slicing a loop in half and playing the two halves simultaneously, without mixing them, i.e. with "total recall" as they call it... mfg, Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks www.moinlabs.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 05:42:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA09477; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 05:42:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 05:42:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <84.aa1c9cc.26ef541d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 05:40:45 EDT Subject: Re: Bill Frisell video available To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: <2UEvNB.A.KTC.Bpfv5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it is a great video. my local sam trash usually has it in stock. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 06:26:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09827; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:25:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:25:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 05:23:28 -0500 From: "Ben Porter" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: azrix@n2music.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: WAY OT: Warez - A Rebuttal X-Sender-Ip: 216.76.237.204 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, since this was sent from someone with an '@adobe.com' mail address, I'm sorry if you took this personally. Maybe I should of picked on Microsoft :-). And, another sorry for keeping this OT going. > >Photoshop LE is about $99. The full version of Photoshop is about $609. >That's roughly a factor of 6. > >Is the full version 6 times better? That depends on what you need. Do you >need CMYK editing for pre-press? Do you need extensive web optimization >options? If so, then arguably the full version is infinitely better since >it meets your needs and LE doesn't. Want something more concrete? Extensis >MaskPro sells for about $199. The full version of Photoshop also includes >professional masking tools -- not identical to those in MaskPro but >competitive or better -- and those features aren't in LE. > >Is the full version of Photoshop's price out of line? A lot of prosumer >digital cameras sell for more. (Let's not even talk about professional >digital cameras.) Those cameras will probably be obsolete in a couple years >and you won't be able to buy an upgrade for them. > >Now, yes, those cameras cost more to produce per unit than do boxes of >Photoshop. The camera manufacturers probably aren't living that close to >the edge yet, however, since this hasn't become a commodity market. (Even >in the commodity PC market, it's just the systems assemblers that are >getting squeezed. Intel still enjoys quite high margins per chip.) > Okay, I'll back pedal a little here. I don't think that software prices are out of line. I do, though, think that they are excessive for the apparent development and production costs of the software. As for Photoshop, I hardly believe that the Pro version is 6x times better than the LE version. Unless you are working at business that happens to use all of the extra features it seems rather extreme. What if you only happen to need one of those extra features? Your stuck paying the higher cost whether you like it or not. > >That argues that hardware probably has more R & D to recoop. It doesn't >really argue that software has a small amount of R & D. Most software sells >relatively few copies relative to hardware in the computer industry. A lot >of software titles don't make all that much money once one factors in R & >D. The broad successes like Photoshop pay for the more narrow products. Which narrow products and produced by whom? Adobe doesn't give any money to Steinberg to pay for their 'narrow' product of Cubase VST. >The narrower the niche, and music is pretty narrow, the more important it >becomes for people to pay for the software because there aren't other >sources of revenue available to the software developer. But doesn't that also apply to those who actually crack software? I've never actually been to a warez site, but I would think that the people who crack software would pretty much only be interested in the software that sells in large amounts. So, music software being such a narrow niche, that there wouldn't be a whole lot of cracked music software out there in the first place. > >Where would Linux be if it hadn't had Unix to copy? Where would GIMP be if >it hadn't had Photoshop to copy? > >Yes, there would probably be software even if no one paid, but it would >probably be quite different from what you encounter right now. Yes. I agree. It would be different. But, as long as there were computers, there would be software. And where would any of this be without the pioneers working with room-sized vacuum tube computers and programming with actual binary (which was and is free)? >Or to put it in a music related context, there are a lot of musicians who >perform on the street hoping for donations. Some of them are actually >reasonably good. Would the range of music that exists be different if no >one ever paid musicians or all that musicians could get was donations for >performing on the street? Yes. I would argue that the range would actually be greater because then there are no economic reasons for playing any particular type of music. This list is a prime example. > >So, this automobile manufacturer is looking for some cool electronic music >to put behind an ad and stumbles across a loopers tune on the web. Does the >automobile manufacturer have the right to just use it? After all, the >musician probably didn't really expect to make any money from it anyway. I don't understand this. How would this apply to a large group of people "stealing" a *hit* song? And how would that be different from the big record company ripping someone off? You don't make much money from a small number of record sales when you are on a big label. You may not even make much money from a large number of records sales. Just ask Johnny Reznick of the Goo Goo Dolls. *You* are just changing out the entity that is doing the ripping off from a big record label to a big automobile manufacturer. >Another analogy: An awful lot of artwork goes for prices a lot higher than >the cost of the canvas. This is also true for lots of reproductions, >photographic prints, etc. which don't have any benefit of uniqueness. Do >you have the right to walk into a photography gallery, steal a print, and >leave cash for the cost of goods? Go paint your own pictures, take your own >photographs, ... write your own software. Or find someone who is willing to >do it for you at a price you are willing to pay. I get the feeling you're mad at me... Well, no. You don't have the right to go and take someones artwork and pay for the cost of goods. But, you can go and buy a book filled with pictures of that same artwork or those same photographs. Does that mean that artwork printed in coffee table books and textbooks lacks uniqueness because it has been copied? You see the book, like any software, would be a commercial product. Any true art could not be considered a "commercial product" in most definitions of that word. When was the last time you heard of someone refer to a piece of software as *ART*? Thank you. I will go and paint my own paintings, take my own photographs, write my own software, *and* find someone who is willing to do it at a price I'm willing to pay, too. >In summary, with respect to warez, Napster, etc.: It's the copyright >holder's right to decide how the work gets reproduced and distributed. The >copyright holder can decided to give something away or to charge a price >for it. Yes and no. But what I'm going the very long and highly arguable way around the fact that the copyright laws do not protect the individual, but the big corporations and that does not fit in with the ideals of a Democratic Society, but with the ideas of an autocracy. And you, along with many other people, have bought into the propoganda given to us by these corporations. Most contracts with big record labels make you sign away your rights to them. Then, the record label owns the copyrights to the music, not the artists. And so what do you think they are going to do, give it away, or charge a price for it? One of my favorite artists is Andy Warhol. He made "paintings" by manipulating very identifiable objects in the popular culture. Under today's copyright laws, I don't believe that Mr.Warhol would have been allowed to continue in the way that he did because his subjects would have been copyrighted and he would have had the pants sued off of him after his first and very controversial opening. I believe that he and myself, among others, would argue that once you actually release anything out into the world, it no longer becomes something that you can claim exclusive ownership to. It becomes part of the indicernible ether known as culture. And as such, by releasing *anything* to a wide audience, you are giving up any rights to any "copyright" that you would have. Ben Porter. What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 07:45:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10645; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:45:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:45:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001c01cae$fd910200$871d30d5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <20000911143514.10265.qmail@web1103.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Echoplex sighting in concert Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:45:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I caught the Trey Gunn Band in Detroit on Saturday > night, and Trey's rack included, among other things, > two Echoplexi (both an Oberheim and a Gibson). I > didn't notice any obvious looping during the show, > although some of the atmospheric stuff might have been > looped. I was too busy goggling at the amazing > technique and sensitivity displayed by this band. If > you get a chance, check them out - watching Trey play > a solo by tapping on the Warr with a Smokey amp, or > holding it behind the neck for sustain, is alone worth > the price of admission. Ahhhh, so that's what the box was! I saw him play at the Last Day Saloon in SF in Jan/Feb this year, and saw the box but didn't know what it was - also on was Michael Manring, looping like a mad man with his two JamMans... Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com SBN - solobassnetwork-subscribe@listbot.com "I know there's a balance, I see it when I swing past" - John Mellencamp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 08:25:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11351; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:24:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:24:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01C01CC5.9E7C86B0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: re: Looper's Delight CD#1 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:38:58 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > There are still a few copies of Looper's Delight CD#1 for sale directly > form Help Wanted Productions. If you've ever wanted to get a copy > of this fantastic CD now is the time to buy. it's truly a fantastic loop CD. I think everybody on the list should own a copy! = michael peters = electronic music & strange attractors = http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 10:02:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12569; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:01:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:01:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Merseybeet@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:00:10 EDT Subject: help To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm thinking of dumping the plex and getting another jamman with the fancy chip... someone talk me out of it... or into it... ric hordinski monk monkmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 10:11:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12891; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:10:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:10:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <030301c01cc2$8376ad80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: help Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:05:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i'm thinking of dumping the plex and getting another jamman with the fancy chip... someone talk me out of it... or into it... Keep the 'plex AND get another jamman... Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 10:16:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13160; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:16:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:16:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.227.130.160] From: "David Potter" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looping At Burning Man Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:15:20 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2000 14:15:20.0581 (UTC) FILETIME=[E236B350:01C01CC3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Burning Man experience was about the most amazing thing that I've ever been involved with. Those that make judgements without experiencing it first hand are missing out. Burning Man does not need any of them. There were artists, inventers, pranksters and muscians of all kinds. It's way to vast even to try to explain. I felt at home...in my village and with my tribe. But OOOOOOOhhhhhhhh the dust!!! I did take a jamman a line 6 DL4 some delay pedals a boomerang a vortex. I did a set in the Cafe at night for a whole lot of people. I looped for an hour to great reviews and reflection from the crowd. I didn't have any prepared material I just looped and cut loose and let the crowd play me. I also looped with some musicians in the Black Light District one night and had a great time. I rigged up a milk crate on the back of my bike and stuck my Dl4 and a delay pedal there as well. I had a battery powered tambora dronning along as I rode too. I carried a mike in my hand as I cruzed about the Playa. I put the DL4 on loop/delay and sampled and looped the citizens of Black Rock City making all sorts of random ambient sounds and noises much to their delight. To those that were interested I explained what looping was. Some of the gear got really dusted and I fell over once on my bike. The battery powered tambora is tweaked a little and the amps' battery case came loose. When the big dust storms hit I put stuff into suitcases then into garbage bags and locked it in the truck.(dust still gets into a sealed locked truck but not into the garbage bagged stuff.) I cleaned and dusted everything when I got back and it all works. I'll rethink what I will take next year but I will take some stuff and I will go for sure. A looping village sounds great. A big problem was hauling the gear around the city by strapping it to a dolly and hauling it a mile and a half each way to the cafe. That stopped me from doing more looping demos. I heard one other guy in the cafe with a computer and a bunch of looping gear try to get it going but had to many gear problems and a big dust storm was hitting. He was from back east somewhere. Any comments from the Black Rock City Loopers? Send to papadave55@hotmail.com Wildest most fun time I ever had!!!! Om and Out Papa Dave _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 10:51:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13736; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:51:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:51:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.175.13] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: help Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:48:54 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2000 14:48:54.0330 (UTC) FILETIME=[928069A0:01C01CC8] Resent-Message-ID: <1ARpHC.A.iVD.2Jkv5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: "Dennis W. Leas" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: help >Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:05:31 -0500 > > > i'm thinking of dumping the plex and getting another jamman with the >fancy >chip... someone talk me out of it... or into it... > >Keep the 'plex AND get another jamman... > >Dennis Leas >...or just wait another couple of months and THE REPEATER will cut down >this crappy dicothomy Plex/Jamman...hopefully being WAY MUCH BETTER THAN >BOTH...more reliable than the first and more powerful than the >second...with incredible new possibilities...hope they'll make it good as >it looks from thei plain words!!!! ITALOOP _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 11:18:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14521; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:17:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:17:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:04:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: help Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com regarding this ephemeral chip, all i've seen is comments on how buggy and unstable it is...some even pulling it and going back to the original. i'm all for equipment that does some whacked out stuff, just not when you don't expect it, or want it. seems like the original jamman chip, for all of it's limitations, is pretty rock-solid. i've never had a problem with either of mine (although i just recently sold one of them). and just try getting ahold of Bob Sellon if you have any problems. that's a chore in itself, it seems. rich we have threads of people desperately wanting the EDP's, and now we get folks wanting to dump 'em. wierd. >i'm thinking of dumping the plex and getting another jamman with the fancy >chip... someone talk me out of it... or into it... > >ric hordinski > >monk > >monkmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 11:20:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14665; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:19:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:19:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f901c01ccd$01f3c440$0f01a8c0@luca> From: "luca" To: References: Subject: R: help Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:20:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Which could be the value of a 32 sec. Jam Man with original pedal ? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 4:00 PM Subject: help > i'm thinking of dumping the plex and getting another jamman with the fancy chip... someone talk me out of it... or into it... > > ric hordinski > > monk > > monkmusic.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 11:41:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15133; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:41:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:41:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.76.82.65] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: help Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:40:04 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2000 15:40:04.0427 (UTC) FILETIME=[B86C09B0:01C01CCF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>...or just wait another couple of months and THE REPEATER will cut down >>this crappy dicothomy Plex/Jamman...hopefully being WAY MUCH BETTER THAN >>BOTH...more reliable than the first and more powerful than the >>second...with incredible new possibilities...hope they'll make it good as >>it looks from thei plain words!!!! ITALOOP I haven't seen a product that will satisfy every human being on the Earth and I doubt I ever will. There will always be somebody who will want some seemingly obscure feature that isn't there. Anyway, having the Repeater join the party is a good thing, IMHO. It will bring more competition to the table. Paolo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 11:47:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15403; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:47:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:47:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c01cd0$fc692b60$88926fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: Subject: HTML Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:48:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <5qX6GC.A.suD.z9kv5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kim, Did I send all this? Plain text is checked on my outlook express! Gareth At 8:05 PM -0700 9/10/00, whiteoakstudios wrote: > > > > > > > >
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> > another idea might be, quit using badly formatted HTML code to send your emails. ;-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 11:55:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15662; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:55:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:55:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <027601c01cd2$ce5a53f0$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> From: "Pulse 8" To: References: Subject: Re: help Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:02:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well..there was that one that was in the beginning of the movie Gremlins..with the razor and toothpaste dispenser...but even it had problems... Joshua Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 http://www.beyond-earth.net http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 10:40 AM Subject: Re: help > >>...or just wait another couple of months and THE REPEATER will cut down > >>this crappy dicothomy Plex/Jamman...hopefully being WAY MUCH BETTER THAN > >>BOTH...more reliable than the first and more powerful than the > >>second...with incredible new possibilities...hope they'll make it good as > >>it looks from thei plain words!!!! ITALOOP > > I haven't seen a product that will satisfy every human being on the Earth > and I doubt I ever will. There will always be somebody who will want some > seemingly obscure feature that isn't there. > > Anyway, having the Repeater join the party is a good thing, IMHO. It will > bring more competition to the table. > > Paolo > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 14:03:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17697; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:02:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:02:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:01:55 -0700 Subject: Re: Construkction Of Light From: Mark Sottilaro To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <027001c01c5f$666156e0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ha! I did buy the ProjecKt box set, same time I bought The ConstruKtion of Light. I did not get the ProjecKt X album, but I think I may now, Mark on 9/11/00 7:16 PM, Peter Shindler at shindler@mediaone.net wrote: > ....and if you think the Projekct box set is incredible, go to > http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com and order the Projekct X album "Heaven > and Earth," the best thing that King Crimson's ever done, period. (I think) > > > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LARRY M FEINSTEIN" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 9:08 PM > Subject: Re: Construkction Of Light > > >> If you think this cd kicks ass (and it certainly does) then you owe it to >> yourself to pick up the Projeckts 4 cd box set....music that is so good it >> defies description..... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mark Sottilaro >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> Date: Monday, September 11, 2000 7:14 PM >> Subject: Construkction Of Light >> >> >>> Hey, >>> >>> was there a thread about this new and wonderful album from our looping > pals >>> in the big time? I picked it up last weekend and was blown away (I was a >>> bit disappointed by Thrak) but I don't remember anywone talking about > this >>> little gem of an album. >>> >>> Anyway, if you're so inclined, pick it up. It's more along the lines of >> the >>> three 80s era albums, but a little meaner. >>> >>> Mark Sottilaro >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 14:06:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17858; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:05:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:05:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:05:18 -0700 Subject: Groovemaker From: Mark Sottilaro To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <027001c01c5f$666156e0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey Has anyone on the list used Groovemaker software for the Mac OS? Looks like it's a bit hipper than MixMan, but I'd love to hear some feedback from a real user. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 15:25:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19178; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:24:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:24:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [205.155.29.209] From: "David Potter" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, mbiffle@svg.com Subject: Fwd: Looping At Burning Man Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:21:52 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2000 19:21:52.0354 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4908C20:01C01CEE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The Burning Man experience was about the most amazing thing that I've ever >been involved with. Those that make judgements without experiencing it >first hand are missing out. Burning Man does not need any of them. There >were artists, inventers, pranksters and muscians of all kinds. It's way to >vast even to try to explain. I felt at home...in my village and with my >tribe. But OOOOOOOhhhhhhhh the dust!!! I did take a jamman a line 6 DL4 >some delay pedals a boomerang a vortex. I did a set in the Cafe at night >for a whole lot of people. I looped for an hour to great reviews and >reflection from the crowd. >I didn't have any prepared material I just looped and cut loose and let the >crowd play me. > I also looped with some musicians in the Black Light District one night >and had a great time. > I rigged up a milk crate on the back of my bike and stuck my Dl4 and a >delay pedal there as well. I had a battery powered tambora dronning along >as I rode too. I carried a mike in my hand as I cruzed about the Playa. I >put the DL4 on loop/delay and sampled and looped the citizens of Black Rock >City making all sorts of random ambient sounds and noises much to their >delight. To those that were interested I explained what looping was. > Some of the gear got really dusted and I fell over once on my bike. >The battery powered tambora is tweaked a little and the amps' battery case >came loose. When the big dust storms hit I put stuff into suitcases then >into garbage bags and locked it in the truck.(dust still gets into a sealed >locked truck but not into the garbage bagged stuff.) > I cleaned and dusted everything when I got back and it all works. >I'll rethink what I will take next year but I will take some stuff and I >will go for sure. A looping village sounds great. A big problem was >hauling the gear around the city by strapping it to a dolly and hauling it >a >mile and a half each way to the cafe. That stopped me from doing more >looping demos. > I heard one other guy in the cafe with a computer and a bunch of >looping gear try to get it going but had to many gear problems and a big >dust storm was hitting. He was from back east somewhere. > Any comments from the Black Rock City Loopers? Send to >papadave55@hotmail.com > > Wildest most fun time I ever had!!!! Om and Out > Papa Dave > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 17:24:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22726; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:23:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:23:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c01d00$ad5a5dc0$4805020a@mecasw.com> From: "Ken M" To: References: <000201c01bd3$c30afae0$416202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> <019a01c01bfd$b8165100$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <01b301c01c05$3ae42ba0$1ab4f9d0@mecasw.com> Subject: GTR4000 Footpedals? Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:30:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <7oI9L.A.LiF.g6pv5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hmm.. I actually expected a flame on my last post.. I don't know wether to be glad or saddened by the lack of interest in the content - but everyone was probably burned out on the thread before I entered it anyhow.. Anyone out there use a GTR4000, or a DSP4000? I'm looking for a good footpedal to go with mine, I bought a simple MIDI footpedal, but it doesn't send proper note on/note off toggles. Ken From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 17:38:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24005; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:38:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:38:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <71.68246b5.26effbec@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:36:44 EDT Subject: Re: Groovemaker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 146 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, In a message dated 09/12/00 10:05:40 AM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >Has anyone on the list used Groovemaker software for the Mac OS? I've been playing with the demo version some--and rather like it. But you better have a more recent, faster Mac to run it on. It's none too fun on older Power PCs. But works fine on a G3 or better. TK From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 18:29:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26520; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:28:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:28:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:27:38 EDT Subject: Re: boomerang upgrade To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/12/00 3:27:40 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, mnelson@dmans.com writes: << I got it and will blow it's mind shortly. :) >> first off, dont call me shortly.........:)..........secondly..........YIPEE!.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 18:49:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27481; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:41:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:41:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: GTR4000 Footpedals? Message-ID: <0056910007174907000002L172*@MHS> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:43:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 09/12/00 17:40:27" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA27390 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My Rocktron has CC control, which I think the Eventide stuff can use, as least the Orville can, which I have poured over the manual. I am awaiting delivery of an Orville. Anyone else out there that wants to excahnge patches? wgold@mecasw.com on 09/12/2000 02:26:33 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP cc: Subject: GTR4000 Footpedals? Classification: hmm.. I actually expected a flame on my last post.. I don't know wether to be glad or saddened by the lack of interest in the content - but everyone was probably burned out on the thread before I entered it anyhow.. Anyone out there use a GTR4000, or a DSP4000? I'm looking for a good footpedal to go with mine, I bought a simple MIDI footpedal, but it doesn't send proper note on/note off toggles. Ken From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 18:52:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26930; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:34:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:34:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000912183204.0096ad60@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: floyd@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:33:05 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: HTML In-Reply-To: <000201c01cd0$fc692b60$88926fd4@y5w2s5> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:48 AM 9/12/00 +0100, whiteoakstudios@supanet.com wrote: >Hi Kim, >Did I send all this? >Plain text is checked on my outlook express! Lookout Express doesn't always do what you think it will or should do. Dump it and get Eudora. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 19:01:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28507; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:01:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:01:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: keenan Subject: Re: GTR4000 Footpedals? Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:00:39 US/Eastern X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Professional Edition v3.0.24 Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > hello- the eventides are pretty midi intensive probably second to max in this respect -many midi modules now in softwaere used as tools for control --i used a pcm 10 (which was great ) but any pedal that sends notes,sys ex,pgrm changes -ccs will work i currently use a peavey 1600 and dimension beam and find the application & results are amazing im currently waiting on Orville delivery myself love to trade patches - anyone try the yamaha pedal mfc or something like that ? of course now they have the eve network controller K > My Rocktron has CC control, which I think the Eventide stuff can use, as least the Orville can, which I have poured over > the manual. > > I am awaiting delivery of an Orville. Anyone else out there that wants to excahnge patches? > > > > > > > > wgold@mecasw.com on 09/12/2000 02:26:33 PM > Please respond to Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP > cc: > Subject: GTR4000 Footpedals? > Classification: > > hmm.. I actually expected a flame on my last post.. I don't know wether to > be glad or saddened by the lack of interest in the content - but everyone > was probably burned out on the thread before I entered it anyhow.. > > Anyone out there use a GTR4000, or a DSP4000? I'm looking for a good > footpedal to go with mine, I bought a simple MIDI footpedal, but it doesn't > send proper note on/note off toggles. > > Ken > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 19:12:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29054; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:12:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:12:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000912183204.0096ad60@192.168.0.1> References: <000201c01cd0$fc692b60$88926fd4@y5w2s5> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:59:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: HTML Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Forgive my adding to this off topic post, but i've been having the same problem...some of the emails from LD, clients, and also some from friends comes up just blank in the body. Poor me, i can't respond with my razor wit to posts i cant read! (dammit...where's my flame protection suit? i had it here somewhere...) Does anybody know which settings to either turn on or turn off on Outlook Express? I've told my buddy to turn off HTML text, but his mails are still turning up blank. As for my clients sending me email, i can't exactly tell them "Dump it and get Eudora", however valid that may be. I'm running Eudora 4.0 on Mac. Is there a setting i can switch? or do i need to jump to Eudora 5.0? So, flog me with tape loops for veering so far off topic. any help would be appreciated. rich >At 06:48 AM 9/12/00 +0100, whiteoakstudios@supanet.com wrote: >>Hi Kim, >>Did I send all this? >>Plain text is checked on my outlook express! > >Lookout Express doesn't always do what you think it will or >should do. > >Dump it and get Eudora. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 20:13:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31196; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:13:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:13:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAvH/oA7hx05rvJW8R1YTDJqDikOQCFBwvKygP0ad9iZ46GCyBpyuwn2c+ From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:11:29 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Help, Etc. Message-ID: <4224-39BEC631-4065@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was really disappointed with the "D2 V0.4" Jamman upgrade chip. Defiantly not ready for public consumption in my opinion. I went back to the stock ROM and still wish there was an UNDO function. ____________ Thanks to Papa Dave for his Burning Man report. I echo the dust concerns ! Are there any other observations from people who brought gear and can share their experiences ? _____________ Musician's Friend is not yet taking orders for the Electrix Repeater, but they took my name and said they'd call when they start. What's this I hear about no foot pedal with it ? Wouldn't it be pretty useless to a looping guitar player without one ? _____________ Thanks to those who made [really low] offers on my two Echoplexes, but I think I'll take one of them to the Zone Music swap meet this weekend and see what happens there. _____________ Thanks again to Kim for all he's done for us and his commitment to keeping this list going for so long. ______________ I'm still holding-out hope for some kind of looping tutorial / show-and-tell video... I wish more of you guys would chime in and support the idea. About a year ago there seemed to be quite a bit of interest.... -Jordan Pease From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 20:32:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31762; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:32:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:32:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater and foot control Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:31:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Jordan, There are plans in the works to make a 3 button foot switch that will work with all the Electrix products in the very near future. A Digitech FS-300 (a 3 button TRS foot switch) will work with Repeater's footswitch input. There are also a number of MIDI foot controllers that will work with Repeater's MIDI implementation. We are definitely into making a our own MIDI foot controller but we want to wait until we get input from Repeater owners before we embark on such a project. So in the mean time you will have to augment Repeater with someone else's controller. >Musician's Friend is not yet taking orders for the Electrix Repeater, >but they took my name and said they'd call when they start. What's this >I hear about no foot pedal with it ? Wouldn't it be pretty useless to a >looping guitar player without one? Best Regards, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix / IVL "No Creative Barriers" Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 20:32:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31856; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:32:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:32:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013201c01d19$b73d2700$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> From: "BC" To: References: <4224-39BEC631-4065@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Jamman mods (was Help, Etc.) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:29:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I was really disappointed with the "D2 V0.4" Jamman upgrade chip. > Defiantly not ready for public consumption in my opinion. I went back to > the stock ROM and still wish there was an UNDO function. I've got the V0.2 version from a year or so ago. I've never had any problems, and I can't imagine losing the 'fade' feature. I did dig up a Digitech FS300 3 button footswitch for it which make it more convenient. What did you not like about the mods? -Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 12 23:45:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06495; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:44:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:44:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.163.218.193] From: "pete mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Shameless mp3 plug!); Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:42:54 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2000 03:42:54.0395 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2EFF8B0:01C01D34] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thats right, from the folks who brought you 20 minutes of the same thing:) They Must Be Mad has done it again!! Our latest @ http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/116/they_must_be_mad.html Improvisation #840984638 New & much more exciting! Thanks for listening! Pete _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 04:03:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09081; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 04:03:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 04:03:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <000201c01cd0$fc692b60$88926fd4@y5w2s5> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 04:19:38 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: HTML Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Forgive my adding to this off topic post, but i've been having the same >problem...some of the emails from LD, clients, and also some from friends >comes up just blank in the body. Poor me, i can't respond with my razor >wit to posts i cant read! (dammit...where's my flame protection suit? i >had it here somewhere...) > >Does anybody know which settings to either turn on or turn off on Outlook >Express? I've told my buddy to turn off HTML text, but his mails are still >turning up blank. As for my clients sending me email, i can't exactly tell >them "Dump it and get Eudora", however valid that may be. > >I'm running Eudora 4.0 on Mac. Is there a setting i can switch? or do i >need to jump to Eudora 5.0? I remember 4.0 had some trouble, while 4.2 is perfect! Selection is under Special - Settings - Styled Text. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 04:21:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09853; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 04:20:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 04:20:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.175.53] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ORVILLE OWNERS(now and future) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:19:11 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2000 08:19:11.0576 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BB50D80:01C01D5B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Keenan & Kamlapati, Italo here!! I'm working with Eventide DSP4000 and Orville since 6 years, doing some beta.testing and intensive presets design with these SUPREME PROCESSORS!!! Hope you guys get your Orvilles very, very soon, download VSig at www.eventide.com, install it on your PC...(Mac is a problem, sorry) and start working on the monster...this will allow us all to swap patches on the net as e-mails attachments or simple copy and paste text...really easy as it looks!!! Orville is amazing and you both will enjoy timeless satisfaction and an outstanding knowledge growth in audio processing...I'm organazing a users network on the Net...so you are welcome!!! If you prefer private contact: italoop@hotmail.com ITALO _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 04:29:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10120; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 04:27:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 04:27:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.175.53] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: GTR4000 Footpedals? Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:27:34 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2000 08:27:34.0512 (UTC) FILETIME=[777AFF00:01C01D5C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Ken, try to be more specific on what you wat to do with midi and the GTR4000. What midi board did you get? As far as midi note messages there are not so many pedalboards sending them, and most are expensive...using a good one with a Lexicon Midi Remote Controller (the old and now cheap MRC) or the mighty Peavey PC1600x will translate any midi message into any other...so even basic messages like program chenges can become midi notes ...plus you can do much, much more. After 6 years with a DSP4000, I'm now working on Orville and my midi setup includes a Rocktron MIDIMATE and a Lexi MRC. I turn loops on/off on orville and my Emu sampler in real time, while playing and looping live!!! Plus you can do much, much more!!! Let's talk about it! ciao italo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 10:08:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13504; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:07:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:07:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:06:39 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: my next web cast Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6XvNz.A.DSD.2n4v5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, My next web cast info: 14th September 2000 AM6:30 - 7:30(GMT) 15th September 2000 AM8:00-10:00(GMT) more details: http://www.cavestudio.com/liveinformation or http://www.cavestudio.com/live_from_far_east/ keep in touch Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 11:12:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14539; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:11:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:11:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:57:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: Repeater and foot control Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >A Digitech FS-300 (a 3 button TRS foot switch) will work with Repeater's >footswitch input. There are also a number of MIDI foot controllers that will >work with Repeater's MIDI implementation. Damon, Could you tell us what each button of the FS-300 will do on the Repeater? I have one for my Filter Queen, and would like to know if i will use it on the Repeater as well. Also, do you know if the Repeater will support the Rolls RFX MidiWizard? Is there a current list of Midi Pedals that is available? rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 11:50:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15283; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:50:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:50:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <03f401c01d99$a98f5a80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater and foot control Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:45:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Damon, > We are definitely into making a our own MIDI foot controller but we want to > wait until we get input from Repeater owners before we embark on such a > project. So in the mean time you will have to augment Repeater with someone > else's controller. Good news! I'd follow your own modus operandi (sp?) and search the LD archives (and others) as well. Based on past messages I've seen, there seems to be a large market for a PMC-10 type of foot controller, i.e., a very general purpose controller able to send note on/off, etc. I'll bet you could sell such a beastie to alot of current EDP owners as well as those future Repeater owners. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 12:13:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15748; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:12:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:12:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: graham@pentlandcrown.com Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="webexpress-3.1.f-083488" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:08:56 +0000 From: "Graham Pattison" Message-Id: <968861336.webexpressdV3.1.f@mail.u.genie.co.uk> To: "Loopers Delight"@u.genie.co.uk, Subject: Joseph Arthur... Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --webexpress-3.1.f-083488 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anybody on this list checked out Joseph Arthur's live show yet? He is on tour with David Gray at the moment and will be opening up for The The on the East coast later this week. Amazing show, well worth catching. Really good use of the famed Lexicon Jamman and a stunning array of sounds from his extensive pedals. All this coupled with great lyrics and melodies, got to be worth a visit right? See you all there, G. ; name="" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 DQotLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tNjU1MjM0NjA4ODM1OTMx --webexpress-3.1.f-083488-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 12:16:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16127; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:16:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:16:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <03f401c01d99$a98f5a80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <03f401c01d99$a98f5a80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:17:22 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Repeater and foot control Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hello Damon, > >> We are definitely into making a our own MIDI foot controller but we want to >> wait until we get input from Repeater owners before we embark on such a >> project. So in the mean time you will have to augment Repeater with someone >> else's controller. > >Good news! I'd follow your own modus operandi (sp?) and search the >LD archives >(and others) as well. Based on past messages I've seen, there seems to be a >large market for a PMC-10 type of foot controller, i.e., a very >general purpose >controller able to send note on/off, etc. I'll bet you could sell such a >beastie to alot of current EDP owners as well as those future Repeater owners. > Thats a good point! And I could contribute some hints about the mechanics so the switch action is time acurate! ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 12:17:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16237; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:17:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:17:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Cody Davis" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight. com" Subject: Orchestral loops Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:13:42 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have connections with a local orchestra and recording studio. I would like to get some feedback on if anyone thinks that there would be a decent market out there for a CD with orchestral instrument loops. Each instrument (strings, horns, woodwinds, percussion) playing notes for 5 secs each, doing the scales and with chords (strings). All royalty free .wav files and maybe duplicates for the Mac. If there is a demand, what price should this be offered. Acid loop CDs sell for about $60. Thanks in advance for your feedback. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 12:25:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16509; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:25:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:25:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000913162356.16783.qmail@nwcst314.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 13 Sep 00 12:23:56 EDT From: p koniuto To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Joseph Arthur... X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM.0700.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA16439 Resent-Message-ID: <0UPtE.A.CBE.do6v5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uhh, the East coast of where? > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Pattison [mailto:pentlandcrown@u.genie.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 1:09 PM > To: "Loopers Delight"@u.genie.co.uk; loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Joseph Arthur... > > > Anybody on this list checked out Joseph Arthur's live show yet? He > is on tour with David Gray at the moment and will be opening up > for The The on the East coast later this week. > Amazing show, well worth catching. Really good use of the famed > Lexicon Jamman and a stunning array of sounds from his > extensive pedals. All this coupled with great lyrics and melodies, > got to be worth a visit right? > See you all there, > G. > > ; name="" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 > > DQotLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tNjU1MjM0NjA4ODM1OTMx > ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 14:02:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18383; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:01:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:01:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39C03A6A.F0C42BBE@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:39:38 -0700 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater and foot control References: <03f401c01d99$a98f5a80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3crI9C.A.XdE.uC8v5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias Grob wrote: > > Thats a good point! > And I could contribute some hints about the mechanics so the switch > action is time acurate! beware of Mathias he dont likes sequencers... so.... speaking of time accuracy ???? :=):=):=) welcome back to the list Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 14:09:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18741; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:09:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:09:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01c01dae$93b806c0$83d956d1@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Orchestral loops Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:13:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There are plenty out there already- mostly Akai- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Cody Davis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight. com Date: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 9:19 AM Subject: Orchestral loops >I have connections with a local orchestra and recording studio. I would like >to get some feedback on if anyone thinks that there would be a decent market >out there for a CD with orchestral instrument loops. Each instrument >(strings, horns, woodwinds, percussion) playing notes for 5 secs each, doing >the scales and with chords (strings). All royalty free .wav files and maybe >duplicates for the Mac. If there is a demand, what price should this be >offered. Acid loop CDs sell for about $60. >Thanks in advance for your feedback. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 15:12:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20810; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:10:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:10:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00c001c01db7$198bb1e0$4805020a@mecasw.com> From: "Ken M" To: References: Subject: Re: ORVILLE OWNERS(now and future) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:16:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <1HrUzB.A._DF.5C9v5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah - I have VSig and have written a few patches already for it.. It's a monster, and a little bit of a bear to learn - but once you do its flexibility is awesome.. I have troubles sometimes getting simple patches to work, it says "Can not segment processor" or some such nonsense when I attempt to upload something trivial, but other more arcane patches seem to be fine... I was looking for a resource to get / trade patches for a year now - so if anyone is interested in starting a mailing list or something of the like to exchange patches for the DSP/GTR4000 sign me up! Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "italo de angelis" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 6:19 AM Subject: ORVILLE OWNERS(now and future) > Hi Keenan & Kamlapati, Italo here!! I'm working with Eventide DSP4000 and > Orville since 6 years, doing some beta.testing and intensive presets design > with these SUPREME PROCESSORS!!! > Hope you guys get your Orvilles very, very soon, download VSig at > www.eventide.com, install it on your PC...(Mac is a problem, sorry) and > start working on the monster...this will allow us all to swap patches on the > net as e-mails attachments or simple copy and paste text...really easy as it > looks!!! Orville is amazing and you both will enjoy timeless satisfaction > and an outstanding knowledge growth in audio processing...I'm organazing a > users network on the Net...so you are welcome!!! > If you prefer private contact: italoop@hotmail.com > > ITALO > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 15:16:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21138; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:16:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:16:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cb01c01db8$2e5f4f40$4805020a@mecasw.com> From: "Ken M" To: References: <00c001c01db7$198bb1e0$4805020a@mecasw.com> Subject: Re: ORVILLE OWNERS(now and future) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:24:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <1mtur.A.vIF.3J9v5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another thing I've noticed with the patches I write is that they have a REAL bad tendency to feedback my rig. I have yet to figure out what I'm doing wrong, I'm sure it's just that I stink at writing the patches so far and am missing some basic steps.. Even though I'm a goo computer programmer, and I've downloaded many internal patches from the unit itself to use as a guideline. I'd be real happy to send my patches to someone who could look them over and explain to me what I'm doing wrong.. Mentor, master, or guide... I need something. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken M" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 3:16 PM Subject: Re: ORVILLE OWNERS(now and future) > Yeah - I have VSig and have written a few patches already for it.. It's a > monster, and a little bit of a bear to learn - but once you do its > flexibility is awesome.. I have troubles sometimes getting simple patches > to work, it says "Can not segment processor" or some such nonsense when I > attempt to upload something trivial, but other more arcane patches seem to > be fine... > > I was looking for a resource to get / trade patches for a year now - so if > anyone is interested in starting a mailing list or something of the like to > exchange patches for the DSP/GTR4000 sign me up! > > Ken > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "italo de angelis" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 6:19 AM > Subject: ORVILLE OWNERS(now and future) > > > > Hi Keenan & Kamlapati, Italo here!! I'm working with Eventide DSP4000 and > > Orville since 6 years, doing some beta.testing and intensive presets > design > > with these SUPREME PROCESSORS!!! > > Hope you guys get your Orvilles very, very soon, download VSig at > > www.eventide.com, install it on your PC...(Mac is a problem, sorry) and > > start working on the monster...this will allow us all to swap patches on > the > > net as e-mails attachments or simple copy and paste text...really easy as > it > > looks!!! Orville is amazing and you both will enjoy timeless satisfaction > > and an outstanding knowledge growth in audio processing...I'm organazing a > > users network on the Net...so you are welcome!!! > > If you prefer private contact: italoop@hotmail.com > > > > ITALO > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 15:19:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21489; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:19:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:19:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00cc01c01db8$90cbb0b0$4805020a@mecasw.com> From: "Ken M" To: References: Subject: Re: GTR4000 Footpedals? Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:26:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm - for now - simply trying to use a single footswitch press to turn on/off segments of the currently running program, as well as allow me to cycle programs easily. The Digitech (not at home, don't know model) MIDI controller foot pedal I bought for $100 doesn't work properly. I need to step on the switches TWICE to get the GTR4000 to recognize that I did anything.. VERY annoying. I called Eventide about it, REAL nice guys there, and they said the footpedal I have now is not correctly sending note on/note off messages, it instead toggles note on/note off per stomp which causes the trouble. Of course, this was months ago and I forget the hardware they suggested in the fog of time. I don't (yet) have the looping module for it.. I was contemplating this, but having already spent $2k on the unit, and $500 in upgrades for it I'm rather a bit hesitant to put another $1000 into it for looping if I could sell this one and upgrade to the Orville for nearly the same price tag. (The Eventide site doesn't list a price so I'm guessing $4k.). Any help is generously accepted. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "italo de angelis" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 6:27 AM Subject: Re: GTR4000 Footpedals? > > Hi Ken, try to be more specific on what you wat to do with midi and the > GTR4000. What midi board did you get? > As far as midi note messages there are not so many pedalboards sending them, > and most are expensive...using a good one with a Lexicon Midi Remote > Controller (the old and now cheap MRC) or the mighty Peavey PC1600x will > translate any midi message into any other...so even basic messages like > program chenges can become midi notes ...plus you can do much, much more. > After 6 years with a DSP4000, I'm now working on Orville and my midi setup > includes a Rocktron MIDIMATE and a Lexi MRC. I turn loops on/off on orville > and my Emu sampler in real time, while playing and looping live!!! Plus you > can do much, much more!!! > Let's talk about it! ciao italo > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 15:52:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22906; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:51:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:51:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: mhamburg@mailsj-v1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:33:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: WAY OT: Warez - A Rebuttal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:23 AM -0700 9/12/00, Ben Porter wrote: >>Another analogy: An awful lot of artwork goes for prices a lot higher than >>the cost of the canvas. This is also true for lots of reproductions, >>photographic prints, etc. which don't have any benefit of uniqueness. Do >>you have the right to walk into a photography gallery, steal a print, and >>leave cash for the cost of goods? Go paint your own pictures, take your own >>photographs, ... write your own software. Or find someone who is willing to >>do it for you at a price you are willing to pay. > >I get the feeling you're mad at me... I'm not particularly mad at you, but see my last paragraph for why I it bothers me so much to see this sort of attitude amongst musicians. > >Well, no. You don't have the right to go and take someones artwork and pay >for the cost of goods. But, you can go and buy a book filled with pictures >of that same artwork or those same photographs. Does that mean that >artwork printed in coffee table books and textbooks lacks uniqueness >because it has been copied? The artist generally had control over whether such a book existed. If the artist signed the rights over to the gallery, then it was the gallery that made the decision. But the point is that the decision to distribute in this form is the right of the copyright holder. That's the essential notion of copyright. > >You see the book, like any software, would be a commercial product. Any >true art could not be considered a "commercial product" in most >definitions of that word. When was the last time you heard of someone >refer to a piece of software as *ART*? Frequently, actually. And from people who aren't in the software business. One of the most respected books on computer programming is Donald Knuth's _The Art of Computer Programming_. You seem to imply that anything that has as one of its goals making money can't be considered "true art". Michaelangelo did plenty of work for hire. Are you saying that none of that could be considered "true art". >Yes and no. But what I'm going the very long and highly arguable way >around the fact that the copyright laws do not protect the individual, but >the big corporations and that does not fit in with the ideals of a >Democratic Society, but with the ideas of an autocracy. And you, along >with many other people, have bought into the propoganda given to us by >these corporations. Copyright protects the copyright holders. Yes, corporations hold copyrights on a lot of material. So do a lot of individuals. And it's totalitarian systems that frequently devalue intellectual property, so don't go spouting nonsense about the "ideals of a Democratic Society". >Most contracts with big record labels make you sign away your rights to >them. Then, the record label owns the copyrights to the music, not the >artists. And so what do you think they are going to do, give it away, or >charge a price for it? Musicians are arguably foolish for signing such contracts. You can distribute your work without a big record company. It can be a lot more work, but it's possible. Aimee Mann is no fan of big record companies, but she has also been quite vocal about not wanting people passing her music around for free on the Internet. Professional musicians make their living by selling their music or performances in some form or another. Going through a record company can be a highly inefficient way of making the sale and a good chunk of the money will probably end up going to the record company. It isn't the listener's decision, however, to decide that the deal is unfair to the musician and hence it's okay to steal the music. Commercial software is written with the expectation that there will be financial compensation for it. That's the same whether it's an individual, a small company or a large one. Somehow you've got to pay the electricity bills, pay for the computers, etc.. There is plenty of software written by people and given away for free, but this is generally written by people who aren't trying to do it for a living or are working in state sponsored positions. If you don't want to pay for software, use these products. Don't steal from the people who are producing software for a living. I don't know how many people on this list actually manage to make music for a living. How many people on this list would like to be able to get paid for making music instead of whatever it is you do to pay the bills? I suspect a lot. Making a living making music requires having people pay for the music. The same goes for software. When you steal a computer program, you are in effect saying that you feel it is worth zero and hence that the programmers deserve no compensation for their work. You probably didn't steal the computer you are running it on because the opportunity wasn't readily available. Just because the opportunity is available to steal software doesn't make it right. Finally, I find it particularly ironic that people who do work in an area where intellectual property protection matters -- e.g., music -- can be so disinclined to appreciating intellectual property protection in other areas. Musicians aren't alone in this, of course. I've been to forums in which professional photographer's expressed concern about protecting their copyrights while running slide shows accompanied by commercial music that they haven't paid to use. Mark P.S. Semi-loop related content: I'll bet that Line 6 spent a lot more on the R & D software for the DL4 than they did on the hardware. The hardware while necessary to achieve anything, has the benefit for Line 6 of also serving as copy protection for the software. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 16:07:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24047; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:06:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:06:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c01dbd$8887cec0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <00cc01c01db8$90cbb0b0$4805020a@mecasw.com> Subject: Re: GTR4000 Footpedals? Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:02:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ...The Digitech (not at home, don't know model) MIDI > controller foot pedal I bought for $100 doesn't work properly. I need to > step on the switches TWICE to get the GTR4000 to recognize that I did > anything.. VERY annoying.... > I called Eventide about it, REAL nice guys there, and they said the > footpedal I have now is not correctly sending note on/note off messages, it > instead toggles note on/note off per stomp which causes the trouble. Do you have a MIDI interface for your computer? If so, I'd recommend using MIDI-OX ( http://www.midiox.com/ ) to sniff them MIDI messages! If not, I'd get one, even a cheapie, so you can check your input. MIDI-OX is PC based but there's other similiar Mac utilities to be found at ( http://www.harmony-central.com/MIDI/#sof ). Once you know your input, it's a lot easier to tell what's going on. GIGO, after all. > From: "italo de angelis" >. . . > > After 6 years with a DSP4000, I'm now working on Orville and my midi setup > > includes a Rocktron MIDIMATE and a Lexi MRC. I turn loops on/off on orville > > and my Emu sampler in real time, while playing and looping live!!! Plus you > > can do much, much more!!! Sounds like a great set-up, Italo! Can you describe it some more? Maybe a diagram? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 16:15:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24589; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:14:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:14:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39BFE006.8B916025@subnet.virtual-pc.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:13:58 +0100 From: david cooper orton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cooperation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4Fvr1C.A.7-F.9-9v5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello A few of you who have subscribed to this list for some time may recall a collaborative venture between myself and James H Sidlo which we invited you to listen to some while back. We have now pieced together some more audio montages, and interested parties can catch these at: the items in question being: Delayed in traffic Garage gamelan Time to spare I thank you David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 16:20:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24949; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:19:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:19:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010201c01dc0$dda09970$4805020a@mecasw.com> From: "Ken M" To: References: <00cc01c01db8$90cbb0b0$4805020a@mecasw.com> <000d01c01dbd$8887cec0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: GTR4000 Footpedals? Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:26:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis: I do have a PC/MIDI interface yes... I use it to up/download presets via MIDI to my GTR4000. I'll check MIDI-OX out tonight when I get home. Tonight is band practice, so I'll set it up on my laptop and kick the triggers to see what I have/don't have going on. Talked to Eventide again - they say "Get the DMC Ground Control" if I want one that's built for my purposes. Going to e-bay to see if there's any on sale now. Thanks for the link! Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 4:02 PM Subject: Re: GTR4000 Footpedals? > > ...The Digitech (not at home, don't know model) MIDI > > controller foot pedal I bought for $100 doesn't work properly. I need to > > step on the switches TWICE to get the GTR4000 to recognize that I did > > anything.. VERY annoying.... > > I called Eventide about it, REAL nice guys there, and they said the > > footpedal I have now is not correctly sending note on/note off messages, it > > instead toggles note on/note off per stomp which causes the trouble. > > Do you have a MIDI interface for your computer? If so, I'd recommend using > MIDI-OX ( http://www.midiox.com/ ) to sniff them MIDI messages! If not, I'd get > one, even a cheapie, so you can check your input. > > MIDI-OX is PC based but there's other similiar Mac utilities to be found at ( > http://www.harmony-central.com/MIDI/#sof ). Once you know your input, it's a > lot easier to tell what's going on. GIGO, after all. > > > > From: "italo de angelis" > >. . . > > > After 6 years with a DSP4000, I'm now working on Orville and my midi setup > > > includes a Rocktron MIDIMATE and a Lexi MRC. I turn loops on/off on orville > > > and my Emu sampler in real time, while playing and looping live!!! Plus you > > > can do much, much more!!! > > Sounds like a great set-up, Italo! Can you describe it some more? Maybe a > diagram? > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 17:04:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27436; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:03:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:03:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39BFEA96.B4ED4C00@best.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:59:02 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Burning Loopy Idea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6p-o_D.A.OsG.Wu-v5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Three people at my work place just came back from the Burning Man festival and I am now infected with the dust from Black Rock. This means that I must go to next year's Man - and bring an exhibit. So, I am thinking up a delightful looping thing. What I had in mind will require at least three loopers, more if I can afford it. Since I do not want to risk taking my beloved EDP to the 120 degree stinking desert I am looking for cheaper substitutes, preferably something that could run off batteries. All I need is 10 to 28 seconds delay with overdub and feedback level control. I do not need undo, multiply, or insert. My DL/6 almost works for this but it does not have the feedback control. Is there anything that fits this description? I've looked at the Headrush and it seems to be a likely choice. Any other suggestions? My idea is to have 7 or 8 bells (made from old oxygen canisters) tuned to a Just scale of some sort. These are then miked and fed to individual loops, maybe two or three per loop, depending on $$. The loops are mixed to one signal which is split: one going to minimal stereo effects and amp, the other to a Sustainiac Model B which is fed back to each bell with a physically attached transducer. My hope is that a few whacks with a rubber mallet will regenerate into a beautiful undulating harmonic soundscape, bring peace to the world, and cure cancer. Well, at least make a cool noise! I've got access to two bells now and hope to test out the concept with my EDP soon. Anyone here with suggestions? I live in Oakland, California, if there is anyone in the Bay Area who is interested in collaborating I'd love to hear from you. -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 19:27:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00348; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:27:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:27:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: graham@pentlandcrown.com Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="webexpress-3.1.f-083370" Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:22:09 +0000 From: "Graham Pattison" Message-Id: <968887329.webexpressdV3.1.f@mail.u.genie.co.uk> To: "Loopers Delight"@u.genie.co.uk, Subject: Joseph Arthur Dates...USA East Coast! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --webexpress-3.1.f-083370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" September 15th Boston, MA Axis 18th Pittsburgh, PA Metropol 19th New York, NY Bowery Ballroom 20th New York, NY Bowery Ballroom 22nd Detroit, MI St. Andrews Hall 23rd Chicago, IL The Vic Theatre ; name="" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 DQotLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tMzk5NTcxMTE0NjM3MzQ5 --webexpress-3.1.f-083370-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 13 23:16:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08251; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:16:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:16:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000913221148.00826620@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:11:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Burning Loopy Idea In-Reply-To: <39BFEA96.B4ED4C00@best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool idea. Michael At 01:59 PM 9/13/00 -0700, you wrote: >Three people at my work place just came back from the Burning Man >festival and I am now infected with the dust from Black Rock. This >means that I must go to next year's Man - and bring an exhibit. So, I am >thinking up a delightful looping thing. What I had in mind will require >at least three loopers, more if I can afford it. > >Since I do not want to risk taking my beloved EDP to the 120 degree >stinking desert I am looking for cheaper substitutes, preferably >something that could run off batteries. > >All I need is 10 to 28 seconds delay with overdub and feedback level >control. I do not need undo, multiply, or insert. My DL/6 almost works >for this but it does not have the feedback control. > >Is there anything that fits this description? I've looked at the >Headrush and it seems to be a likely choice. Any other suggestions? > >My idea is to have 7 or 8 bells (made from old oxygen canisters) tuned >to a Just scale of some sort. These are then miked and fed to >individual loops, maybe two or three per loop, depending on $$. The >loops are mixed to one signal which is split: one going to minimal >stereo effects and amp, the other to a Sustainiac Model B which is fed >back to each bell with a physically attached transducer. My hope is >that a few whacks with a rubber mallet will regenerate into a beautiful >undulating harmonic soundscape, bring peace to the world, and cure >cancer. Well, at least make a cool noise! I've got access to two bells >now and hope to test out the concept with my EDP soon. > >Anyone here with suggestions? I live in Oakland, California, if there >is anyone in the Bay Area who is interested in collaborating I'd love to >hear from you. > >-Allan > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 00:25:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10510; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:24:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:24:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Joseph Arthur... Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:26:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20000913162356.16783.qmail@nwcst314.netaddress.usa.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right. The east coast of Florida, or Newfoundland, or Cape Cod, or Cuba, or Mexico, or Panama, or Baja California, or Lake Erie, or Bermuda, or Spain, or England, or Denmark, or Italy, or France, or somewhere in Greece, or Japan, Australia, Hawaii, ...fill in the blank. I love those generic names. Especially out on the Web. People think everybody else out there knows their little neck of the woods, or what's worse, that they HAVE to know. | -----Original Message----- | From: p koniuto [mailto:koniuto@usa.net] | Sent: Wednesday 13 September 2000 9:24 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: RE: Joseph Arthur... | | | | Uhh, the East coast of where? | | > -----Original Message----- | > From: Graham Pattison [mailto:pentlandcrown@u.genie.co.uk] | > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 1:09 PM | > To: "Loopers Delight"@u.genie.co.uk; loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | > Subject: Joseph Arthur... | > | > | > Anybody on this list checked out Joseph Arthur's live show yet? He | > is on tour with David Gray at the moment and will be opening up | > for The The on the East coast later this week. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 04:45:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA14943; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 04:44:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 04:44:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 05:45:46 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Joseph Arthur... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Right. The east coast of Florida, or Newfoundland, or Cape Cod, or Cuba, or >Mexico, or Panama, or Baja California, or Lake Erie, or Bermuda, or Spain, >or England, or Denmark, or Italy, or France, or somewhere in Greece, or >Japan, Australia, Hawaii, ...fill in the blank. I love those generic names. East coast of France?? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 05:34:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA15750; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 05:34:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 05:34:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39C03A6A.F0C42BBE@vtx.ch> References: <03f401c01d99$a98f5a80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <39C03A6A.F0C42BBE@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 06:35:18 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Repeater and foot control Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <8BAbuD.A.50D.jtJw5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Matthias Grob wrote: > > > Thats a good point! >> And I could contribute some hints about the mechanics so the switch >> action is time acurate! > >beware of Mathias he dont likes sequencers... so.... speaking of time >accuracy ???? > No? gime a chance to change... the last nights I spent in creating drum patterns for my new (well, used) QY20 slave so it shall put some gas into the loops I will support that art bar with tomorrow... When I say time accuracy, I relate to the delay you get on most switches between touching it and actually closing the contact. Those you have to press with some foot velocity which then again may disturb playing. The Oberheim one is better than many others, but PARADIS still had the best... Did you actually tell the list about our final meeting and lakeshore sundown to moonup show? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 05:39:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA15720; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 05:33:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 05:33:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00c101c018d9$fcd3e950$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <004001c0186b$c7926000$0101a8c0@pavilion> <000101c0189b$144f1b20$ac936fd4@y5w2s5> <00c101c018d9$fcd3e950$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 06:35:18 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Xfade vs. zeroX / HW vs SW (was: dream box) Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: Xfade vs. zeroX / HW vs SW (was: dream box)

I think both Kyma and MAX/MSP provide solutions.  This is cool!  [Sometimes I feel that, if I'm into this "looper religion" thing, then Kyma is like my denomination. :)  That makes the MAX/MSP folks (and Orville users, etc.) like a different denomination; same religion, they just use different words to mean about the same thing!]

please let me be member of such denomination!

 >>Ah yes, this is a tricky one, because when you stop looping the sub-loop an d go back to a longer loop, you >>might end up with clicks at the edges of the sub-loop. I have been trying to solve that problem with little >>crossfades at either end of the sub-loop, but I want to be able to keep playing the larger loop while recording >>into the sub-loop also, and haven't quite figured out how to keep the crossfades perfect at all times. I was >>ready to bail on this feature but it's cool to hear that someone else has thought it would be useful, so I'll try >>and get back into it.
 
>        Hmm.. any ideas folks?
(Brainstorming here, haven't completely thought this out) Seems like the trick might be to record it initially without clicks. In other words, clean it up on the way into the loop memory instead of on the way out (at playback).  Sort of like a "smart overdub".  It would delay the recording by a few sample points until an appropriate zero-crossing, then delay the "punch-out" until it saw a matching zero-crossing (indicated by the first derivative).  You might need do double-buffer the baby.  I.e., put the overdub into a working buffer, trim it neatly, then shuflle it into the main loop memory.

Even EDP does fading at the input AND the output, depending on function.
In this case, your "smart overdub" idea makes sense to me!

 Of course, if you put it into a trim/clean-up buffer, you could trim it via fades (appearing as cross-fades in the loop) instead of zero-crossings.  In general, I prefer the zero-crossing idea because I think it can be less audible (less artifacts), but it is more work.

Doesnt the audibility depend on the sound material?
Roughly: For percussive sound, the zero crossing is great but for sustained sound, cross fade is necessary, otherwhise you hear a new attack which can be about as annoying as a click.
In a future HW solution such fades will be available and probably controllable.
The sound material could be analyzed to define characteristic.

 >I think the hardware products are great for what they do, and they do a lot, but I do not know of any that let you >overdub simultaneously into multiple backwards varispeed loops, while playing complex sequences of >subsegments of other loops, in 5.1 surround, and that's the sort of sonic mess I like to make.
Yes!  The hardware products are the best for that "out of the box" experience, but for ultimate flexibility/customizability, I think a software solution (I include Kyma here) is necessary.

Shure, HW is for the road and SW for the studio.
I might try to use a notebook for a show, but then again, clicks are less audible there, so we really need more parameters and quality in the studio and therefore a bigger display and time to operate - it fits together.
All I am concerned with is that the HW and SW systems are not too different so the user can use the same foot pedal with the same basic functions to create the same music.


         ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 10:32:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19887; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:31:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:31:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c01e58$2007a0a0$13bb99d0@advancednettech.com> From: "Craig Sinclair" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Newbie Questions Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:29:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C01E2E.3720CFC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C01E2E.3720CFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I want to start incorporating loops in my bands live performances. The = only experience I've had with loops was doing a sideman guitar stint = with an artist who used loops on a couple of tunes. I really enjoyed the = overall feel that these loops added to the music. So as I get ready to = dive into looping, I'm a little overwhelmed with the possibilities. I am planning on using Acid Pro 2.0 to create the loops, are there any = other software packages that anyone would recommend over Acid? The big question I have is how to actually incorporate the loops into = the live performances. Presently our keyboard player doesn't have any = sampling devices in his rig. We have been doing a couple of tunes where = we use his Ensonic Fizmo's arpeggiator to do some "loop-type" = performances. This has been good practice in playing with a set time = source. The only problem is I would like a little more variety with the = loops. Here is how I want to use the loops on stage. Once the loops are = created, I plan on burning them down to CD and using a CD player live = and feed that through the monitors for the "click track" Am I on the = right track with this plan? If so, does anyone know of any CD players = that come with a footswitch for starting and stopping? Thanks for any advice on this subject Craig ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C01E2E.3720CFC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
I want to start incorporating loops in = my bands=20 live performances. The only experience I've had with loops was doing a = sideman=20 guitar stint with
an artist who used loops on a couple of = tunes. I=20 really enjoyed the overall feel that these loops added to the music. So = as I get=20 ready to dive into looping, I'm a little overwhelmed with the=20 possibilities.
I am planning on using Acid Pro 2.0 to = create the=20 loops, are there any other software packages that anyone would recommend = over=20 Acid?
 
The big question I have is how to = actually=20 incorporate the loops into the live performances. Presently our keyboard = player=20 doesn't have any sampling devices in his rig. We have been doing a = couple of=20 tunes where we use his Ensonic Fizmo's arpeggiator to do some = "loop-type"=20 performances. This has been good practice in playing with a set time = source. The=20 only problem is I would like a little more variety with the = loops.
Here is how I want to use the loops on = stage. Once=20 the loops are created, I plan on burning them down to CD and using = a CD=20 player live and feed that through the monitors for the "click = track"  Am I=20 on the right track with this plan?  If so, does anyone know of any = CD=20 players that come with a footswitch for starting and = stopping?
Thanks for any advice on this = subject
Craig
------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C01E2E.3720CFC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 10:55:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20480; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:54:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:54:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:14:42 -0400 (EDT) From: noah X-Sender: fishmong@aint-got-nothin.mit.edu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater and foot control In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Matthias Grob wrote: > >Matthias Grob wrote: > > > > > Thats a good point! > >> And I could contribute some hints about the mechanics so the switch > >> action is time acurate! > > > When I say time accuracy, I relate to the delay you get on most > switches between touching it and actually closing the contact. Those > you have to press with some foot velocity which then again may > disturb playing. > The Oberheim one is better than many others, but PARADIS still had the best... I've noticed this when trying to sync my dl4 and vortex. I'll get a polyrhythmic loopy echo thing going on the vortex, throw a couple bars into the dl4, and move on. Thing is, when closing the loop on the dl4 (kaCHUNK) the industrial switches make it hard to get the timing just right, and the dl4 doesn't seem quite as forgiving about such things. It's becoming obvious I need to replace the much-hated lexicon footswitch (tap tap tap tap click arrgh!) but does anyone have any suggestions on maybe 'loosening up' the feel of the dl4? Anyone suggest a good double pedal for the vortex? Bueller? -><- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 10:56:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20621; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:55:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:55:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7AA5377A8B80634CBCC118E4FFABDB5911F573@coco.cinteractive.com> From: "Catherine D'Ignazio" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:37:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C01E59.56F100D7" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C01E59.56F100D7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" unsubscribe ------_=_NextPart_001_01C01E59.56F100D7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1"
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C01E59.56F100D7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 11:23:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21461; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:22:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:22:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:24:49 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater and foot control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <05ec01c01e5f$ec5d7c90$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <03f401c01d99$a98f5a80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <39C03A6A.F0C42BBE@vtx.ch> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com does the paridis controller have those little plastic buttons? i have found the ones on the oberheim to be too finicky. i modified a digitech fc300 (though i only get three functions this way) and it seems a lot more positive. i am thinking of making my own full controller for the edp using the same buttons as the fc300, but they are kind of expensive. i also considered making a bunch of individual footswitches, each with one button, one resistor, and a parrallel out so they could be daisy-chained. this would allow me to (for example) put the record button under my heel while playing congas. this could get out of hand, though with all the buttons and cables causing a big spagetti mess... then again, maybe i should just go with a midi controller? i am a beginner with the edp so i would love to hear some recomendations... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 4:35 AM Subject: Re: Repeater and foot control > >Matthias Grob wrote: > > > > > Thats a good point! > >> And I could contribute some hints about the mechanics so the switch > >> action is time acurate! > > > >beware of Mathias he dont likes sequencers... so.... speaking of time > >accuracy ???? > > > > No? gime a chance to change... the last nights I spent in creating > drum patterns for my new (well, used) QY20 slave so it shall put some > gas into the loops I will support that art bar with tomorrow... > > > When I say time accuracy, I relate to the delay you get on most > switches between touching it and actually closing the contact. Those > you have to press with some foot velocity which then again may > disturb playing. > The Oberheim one is better than many others, but PARADIS still had the best... > > > > Did you actually tell the list about our final meeting and lakeshore > sundown to moonup show? > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 11:38:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21912; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:37:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:37:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Cody Davis" To: Subject: RE: Newbie Questions Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:35:29 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C01E37.80604040" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <003401c01e58$2007a0a0$13bb99d0@advancednettech.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <35_tG.A.cVF.BCPw5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C01E37.80604040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am a newbie as well. I don't think you can create loops in Acid, only assemble them. You need a audio program like Goldwave (shareware) or Cool Edit Pro (much better but costs as much as Acid) to create loops. Cool Edit Pro does not give you the ease of assembling that Acid does. Acid does key and tempo change anywhere within your composition as well as there is volume control within the loop that is graphically editable. You may even bring the same loop in and change its key and use it as a separate track. I hope I have been help. -----Original Message----- From: Craig Sinclair [mailto:stratboy@home.com] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 9:29 AM To: Loopers Delight Subject: Newbie Questions Hi, I want to start incorporating loops in my bands live performances. The only experience I've had with loops was doing a sideman guitar stint with an artist who used loops on a couple of tunes. I really enjoyed the overall feel that these loops added to the music. So as I get ready to dive into looping, I'm a little overwhelmed with the possibilities. I am planning on using Acid Pro 2.0 to create the loops, are there any other software packages that anyone would recommend over Acid? The big question I have is how to actually incorporate the loops into the live performances. Presently our keyboard player doesn't have any sampling devices in his rig. We have been doing a couple of tunes where we use his Ensonic Fizmo's arpeggiator to do some "loop-type" performances. This has been good practice in playing with a set time source. The only problem is I would like a little more variety with the loops. Here is how I want to use the loops on stage. Once the loops are created, I plan on burning them down to CD and using a CD player live and feed that through the monitors for the "click track" Am I on the right track with this plan? If so, does anyone know of any CD players that come with a footswitch for starting and stopping? Thanks for any advice on this subject Craig ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C01E37.80604040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am a=20 newbie as well. I don't think you can create loops in Acid, only = assemble them.=20 You need a audio program like Goldwave (shareware) or Cool Edit Pro = (much=20 better but costs as much as Acid) to create loops. Cool Edit Pro = does not=20 give you the ease of assembling that Acid does. Acid does key and tempo = change=20 anywhere within your composition as well as there is volume control = within=20 the loop that is graphically editable. You may even bring the same = loop in=20 and change its key and use it as a separate track. I hope I have been=20 help.
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Sinclair=20 [mailto:stratboy@home.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, = 2000 9:29=20 AM
To: Loopers Delight
Subject: Newbie=20 Questions

Hi,
I want to start incorporating loops = in my bands=20 live performances. The only experience I've had with loops was doing a = sideman=20 guitar stint with
an artist who used loops on a couple = of tunes. I=20 really enjoyed the overall feel that these loops added to the music. = So as I=20 get ready to dive into looping, I'm a little overwhelmed with the=20 possibilities.
I am planning on using Acid Pro 2.0 = to create the=20 loops, are there any other software packages that anyone would = recommend over=20 Acid?
 
The big question I have is how to = actually=20 incorporate the loops into the live performances. Presently our = keyboard=20 player doesn't have any sampling devices in his rig. We have been = doing a=20 couple of tunes where we use his Ensonic Fizmo's arpeggiator to do = some=20 "loop-type" performances. This has been good practice in playing with = a set=20 time source. The only problem is I would like a little more variety = with the=20 loops.
Here is how I want to use the loops = on stage.=20 Once the loops are created, I plan on burning them down to CD and = using a=20 CD player live and feed that through the monitors for the "click = track" =20 Am I on the right track with this plan?  If so, does anyone know = of any=20 CD players that come with a footswitch for starting and = stopping?
Thanks for any advice on this=20 subject
Craig
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C01E37.80604040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 11:46:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22273; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:46:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:46:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: graham@pentlandcrown.com Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="webexpress-3.1.f-0833e0" Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:43:13 +0000 From: "Graham Pattison" Message-Id: <968946193.webexpressdV3.1.f@mail.u.genie.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Joseph Arthur... Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --webexpress-3.1.f-0833e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It's obvious an apology for my vagueness is needed regarding the East Coast comment. Didn't realise I was being so egocentric by trying to switch you guys onto something new. Well at least it's all sorted out now and we can all move on wiser from this experience. Thanks. ; name="" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 DQotLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tNjAxMTU2Mzc0MjYyNDQ1 --webexpress-3.1.f-0833e0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 12:05:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22975; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:04:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:04:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:04:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Pafford X-Sender: todd@galen.local.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater and foot control In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, noah wrote: > (kaCHUNK) the industrial switches make it hard to get the timing just > right, and the dl4 doesn't seem quite as forgiving about such things. It's > becoming obvious I need to replace the much-hated lexicon footswitch (tap > tap tap tap click arrgh!) but does anyone have any suggestions on maybe > 'loosening up' the feel of the dl4? Anyone suggest a good double pedal for > the vortex? Bueller? > Not that it helps any, but I'd like to note how much I LOVE the Boomerang's pedals. Short throw, instantaneous switching, and built like a tank. Hey, here's an idea for Mike Nelson...How about making killer pedals for all the other gear floating around out there? I'd immediately buy two for my Vortex. :) (and BTW, don't the Lexicon switches go squish, squish, squish, click arrg! and not tap, tap...? ;) ) --- "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake Todd Pafford galen@erols.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 12:12:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23301; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:12:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:12:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:48:23 -0400 (EDT) From: noah X-Sender: fishmong@aint-got-nothin.mit.edu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Newbie Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Acid Pro works fine for recording and creating loops. I've even used it as a pretty capable multitrack recording system. Two fx inserts per track, and pretty decent timing and editing for something that wasn't really intended as a pro mutitrack. I do strongly approve of Cool Edit Pro, however. The interface is by far the easiest to deal with of all the pro or semi-pro level recording packages, though flexibility and features are definately compromised. WaveSurgeon or ReCycle are best for taking some of the agony out of the process. They have good peak and rhythym detecting algorithms, and put cut points in where they should be. Wavesurgeon is shareware, and recycle isn't terribly expensive. Hope all this helps... -><- On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Cody Davis wrote: > I am a newbie as well. I don't think you can create loops in Acid, only > assemble them. You need a audio program like Goldwave (shareware) or Cool > Edit Pro (much better but costs as much as Acid) to create loops. Cool Edit > Pro does not give you the ease of assembling that Acid does. Acid does key > and tempo change anywhere within your composition as well as there is volume > control within the loop that is graphically editable. You may even bring the > same loop in and change its key and use it as a separate track. I hope I > have been help. > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Sinclair [mailto:stratboy@home.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 9:29 AM > To: Loopers Delight > Subject: Newbie Questions > > > Hi, > I want to start incorporating loops in my bands live performances. The > only experience I've had with loops was doing a sideman guitar stint with > an artist who used loops on a couple of tunes. I really enjoyed the > overall feel that these loops added to the music. So as I get ready to dive > into looping, I'm a little overwhelmed with the possibilities. > I am planning on using Acid Pro 2.0 to create the loops, are there any > other software packages that anyone would recommend over Acid? > > The big question I have is how to actually incorporate the loops into the > live performances. Presently our keyboard player doesn't have any sampling > devices in his rig. We have been doing a couple of tunes where we use his > Ensonic Fizmo's arpeggiator to do some "loop-type" performances. This has > been good practice in playing with a set time source. The only problem is I > would like a little more variety with the loops. > Here is how I want to use the loops on stage. Once the loops are created, > I plan on burning them down to CD and using a CD player live and feed that > through the monitors for the "click track" Am I on the right track with > this plan? If so, does anyone know of any CD players that come with a > footswitch for starting and stopping? > Thanks for any advice on this subject > Craig > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 12:26:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23863; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:25:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:25:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000001c01e6a$7bf38f20$7455883e@colins-gear> From: "Colin Seddon" To: Subject: re: setting up a forum Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:37:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C01E72.7B6FBF80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C01E72.7B6FBF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I subscribed to Loopers delight for a while last year. I intend to set up an internal, email-based mail list for a theatre = company I work with. Can you give me any tips on how to set one up? Is it the same as a = forum/newsgroup? I've just re-subscribed to your list, so if you can't help, I'll post = this enquiry to the list. Cheers, Colin Seddon ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C01E72.7B6FBF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C01E72.7B6FBF80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 13:06:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24838; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:06:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:06:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39C10657.A52A0054@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:09:47 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Joseph Arthur... References: <968946193.webexpressdV3.1.f@mail.u.genie.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Graham Pattison wrote: > It's obvious an apology for my vagueness is needed regarding the > East Coast comment. > Didn't realise I was being so egocentric by trying to switch you > guys onto something new. > Well at least it's all sorted out now and we can all move on wiser > from this experience. Thanks. ouch! javier's point is well taken, this IS an international forum, but i think most of us can look past these things. thanks for the show info. i'm still pondering the east coast of france, myself... :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 13:18:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25220; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:17:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:17:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000914131446.00a782e0@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:14:46 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: andre Subject: Midi footpedal FA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey Ken saw your post re: looking for midi controller pedals, with a bit better than note on/off etc. i thought digitech also had a pretty good one a buncha years back..?? i actually have a pretty comprehensive midi pedal on auction at ebay, a MITIGATOR, which does a whole bunch of deep midi commands - you can program the thing all the way down to hexadecimal language: http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&Sort Property=MetaEndSort&query=mitigator good luck in yer search JFK's LSD UFO -loopique concrete, experimental- hear realaudio/MP3s at http://www.ufomusic.com Project Object - performing The Music of FRANK ZAPPA - http://www.projectobject.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 13:21:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25500; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:21:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:21:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c01e42$3e429680$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <39BFEA96.B4ED4C00@best.com> Subject: Re: Burning Loopy Idea Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 07:52:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Hoeltje" To: "Loopers-Delight" Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 4:59 PM Subject: Burning Loopy Idea > My idea is to have 7 or 8 bells (made from old oxygen canisters) tuned > to a Just scale of some sort. These are then miked and fed to > individual loops, maybe two or three per loop, depending on $$. The > loops are mixed to one signal which is split: one going to minimal > stereo effects and amp, the other to a Sustainiac Model B which is fed > back to each bell with a physically attached transducer. My hope is > that a few whacks with a rubber mallet will regenerate into a beautiful > undulating harmonic soundscape, bring peace to the world, and cure > cancer. Well, at least make a cool noise! I've got access to two bells > now and hope to test out the concept with my EDP soon. An interesting idea. Try and post some sound files somewhere when you're up and running! Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 13:39:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26253; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:37:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:37:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200009141737.KAA19809@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: peaceland@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:40:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: James Musser Subject: Deltalab style infinite repeat? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm looking for units that allow you to begin a feedback loop... get a nice groove going... then hit the "infinite button" like on the old deltalabs, and it just continues to play back whatever was in the loop at that time... VS. Hit record... then hit stop. Suggestions? Peace, Love, & Music James Musser peaceland@earthlink.net Lessons at: http://home.earthlink.net/~peaceland/peaceland.htm Underwater Traffic: http://members.aol.com/utjam/ut.htm Top 100 Unsigned Bands in L.A. '99 - Music Connection Nominations: Best South Bay Band '97 - Rock City News Best Guitar '97 & Best L.A. Band '96 - LA Music Awards From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 13:46:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26645; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:46:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:46:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Bad-Idea: su; rm -rf / X-Echoplex: Sound on Sound Activated X-Prerequisite-Blasphemy: Invert me under the stars Message-Id: <4.1.20000914113700.01f595e0@63.227.242.56> X-Sender: reverendrob@63.227.242.56 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:38:05 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: Deltalab style infinite repeat? In-Reply-To: <200009141737.KAA19809@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On or around 10:40 AM 9/14/00 -0700, James Musser said: >I'm looking for units that allow you to begin a feedback loop... get a nice >groove going... then hit the "infinite button" like on the old deltalabs, >and it just continues to play back whatever was in the loop at that time... Almost any of the 80s rackmount digitals will do just that, from the Digitech RDS series to the Boss DE-200 to some of the Ibanez units I've taken a gander at. == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ================================================================= http://www.reverendrob.com : feedback and echo MP3s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 13:56:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27294; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:56:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:56:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200009141755.KAA25983@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: peaceland@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:59:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: James Musser Subject: Re: Deltalab style infinite repeat? In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000914113700.01f595e0@63.227.242.56> References: <200009141737.KAA19809@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:38 AM 9/14/00 -0600, you wrote: >On or around 10:40 AM 9/14/00 -0700, James Musser said: >>I'm looking for units that allow you to begin a feedback loop... get a nice >>groove going... then hit the "infinite button" like on the old deltalabs, >>and it just continues to play back whatever was in the loop at that time... > >Almost any of the 80s rackmount digitals will do just that, from the >Digitech RDS series to the Boss DE-200 to some of the Ibanez units I've >taken a gander at. What about the TC2290? BTW, what do vintage Deltalab units go for these days? I have a 1024 and a 4096. Peace jam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 14:05:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27819; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:04:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:04:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: Deltalab style infinite repeat? Message-ID: <0056910007222617000002L172*@MHS> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:06:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 09/14/00 13:03:34" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA27718 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Of course, you can do this with an EDP and a feedback pedal : Hit record and stop to set the loop lenth, then overdub with the feedback set to less than infinite. When you like the groove, you increase the feedback to infinite...done. Brother K peaceland@earthlink.net on 09/14/2000 10:59:00 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP cc: Subject: Re: Deltalab style infinite repeat? Classification: At 11:38 AM 9/14/00 -0600, you wrote: >On or around 10:40 AM 9/14/00 -0700, James Musser said: >>I'm looking for units that allow you to begin a feedback loop... get a nice >>groove going... then hit the "infinite button" like on the old deltalabs, >>and it just continues to play back whatever was in the loop at that time... > >Almost any of the 80s rackmount digitals will do just that, from the >Digitech RDS series to the Boss DE-200 to some of the Ibanez units I've >taken a gander at. What about the TC2290? BTW, what do vintage Deltalab units go for these days? I have a 1024 and a 4096. Peace jam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 14:05:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27846; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:04:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:04:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Bad-Idea: su; rm -rf / X-Echoplex: Sound on Sound Activated X-Prerequisite-Blasphemy: Invert me under the stars Message-Id: <4.1.20000914115058.01f475d0@63.227.242.56> X-Sender: reverendrob@63.227.242.56 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:56:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: Deltalab style infinite repeat? In-Reply-To: <200009141755.KAA25983@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <4.1.20000914113700.01f595e0@63.227.242.56> <200009141737.KAA19809@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On or around 10:59 AM 9/14/00 -0700, James Musser said: >What about the TC2290? No idea; the TC stuff is a bit pricey for what I would use it for. >BTW, what do vintage Deltalab units go for these days? I have a 1024 and a >4096. Looks to be around $100 or so for the 1024s on ebay; when I've seen the 4096, it's gone for about the same. == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ================================================================= http://www.reverendrob.com : feedback and echo MP3s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 14:14:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28467; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:13:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:13:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007a01c01e76$c79f6460$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <200009141737.KAA19809@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Deltalab style infinite repeat? Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:08:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm kinda ignorant on how the old Deltalabs operated. How's it different than loopers like DL4, Headrush, Jamman, EDP, etc.? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 14:15:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28624; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:14:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:14:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200009141813.LAA00197@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: peaceland@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:17:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: James Musser Subject: Re: Deltalab style infinite repeat? In-Reply-To: <0056910007222617000002L172*@MHS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <5I-9xD.A.G9G.IVRw5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:06 PM 9/14/00 -0500, you wrote: >Of course, you can do this with an EDP and a feedback pedal : What is an EDP? >Hit record and stop to set the loop lenth, then overdub with the feedback set to less than infinite. When >you like the groove, you increase the feedback to infinite...done. Why set a loop length... don't you just set the tempo of the delays? Who cares how long it is? Peace, Love, & Music James Musser peaceland@earthlink.net Lessons at: http://home.earthlink.net/~peaceland/peaceland.htm Underwater Traffic: http://members.aol.com/utjam/ut.htm Top 100 Unsigned Bands in L.A. '99 - Music Connection Nominations: Best South Bay Band '97 - Rock City News Best Guitar '97 & Best L.A. Band '96 - LA Music Awards From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 14:37:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29250; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:37:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:37:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: Deltalab style infinite repeat? Message-ID: <0056910007223940000002L102*@MHS> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:38:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 09/14/00 13:35:58" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA29182 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com peaceland@earthlink.net on 09/14/2000 11:17:52 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP cc: Subject: Re: Deltalab style infinite repeat? Classification: At 01:06 PM 9/14/00 -0500, you wrote: >Of course, you can do this with an EDP and a feedback pedal : What is an EDP? Echoplex Digital Pro >Hit record and stop to set the loop lenth, then overdub with the feedback set to less than infinite. When >you like the groove, you increase the feedback to infinite...done. Why set a loop length... don't you just set the tempo of the delays? Who cares how long it is? Used in the way I describe, in loop mode, the loop lenght is the same as the delay time. Peace, Love, & Music James Musser peaceland@earthlink.net Lessons at: http://home.earthlink.net/~peaceland/peaceland.htm Underwater Traffic: http://members.aol.com/utjam/ut.htm Top 100 Unsigned Bands in L.A. '99 - Music Connection Nominations: Best South Bay Band '97 - Rock City News Best Guitar '97 & Best L.A. Band '96 - LA Music Awards From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 14:40:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29522; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:40:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:40:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000914133848.00f94c20@midiwall.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:39:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Repeater Info Online Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Electrix has posted up a TON of info about Repeater. Head for: http://www.electrixpro.com/ Click on the Repeater pics on the front page Click on "Repeater" at the top of the left frame Get your Visa cards ready. :) Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 14:50:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29927; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:50:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:50:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008d01c01e7b$e9cdc040$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <004001c0186b$c7926000$0101a8c0@pavilion> <000101c0189b$144f1b20$ac936fd4@y5w2s5> <00c101c018d9$fcd3e950$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Xfade vs. zeroX / HW vs SW (was: dream box) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:45:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: Xfade vs. zeroX / HW vs SW (was: dream box)----- Original Message ----- From: Matthias Grob >>I think both Kyma and MAX/MSP provide solutions. This is cool! [Sometimes I feel that, if I'm into this "looper >>religion" thing, then Kyma is like my denomination. :) That makes the MAX/MSP folks (and Orville users, etc.) >>like a different denomination; same religion, they just use different words to mean about the same thing!] >please let me be member of such denomination! I always thought you were one of the founders! One of the "fathers of the revolution"!!! Viva la Loop!!!!!! :) >Doesnt the audibility depend on the sound material? >Roughly: For percussive sound, the zero crossing is great but for sustained sound, cross fade is necessary, >otherwhise you hear a new attack which can be about as annoying as a click. >In a future HW solution such fades will be available and probably controllable. >The sound material could be analyzed to define characteristic. Interesting... Yes, I think the audibility depends on the sound material, but I would say just the opposite! I.e., I'd use zeroX for sustained sounds. Here's my experience: I wrote a zero-crossing adjuster for Kyma recently. To test it, I created a short loop by humming a continuous tone into the mic and punching in/out. Sure enough, I heard a click at the loop point. After being zero-adjusted, the click completely disappeared. But perhaps with other sounds, the zeroX would leave artifacts. My zero-crossing adjuster alters the loop length, even if by only a tiny amount. It advances the start point and retreats the end point until a zero-crossing splice is achieved (with the same signal slope on each side). The nice thing about Xfade is that the loop length can remain EXACTLY the same. In thinking about Alex's original question some more, I think maybe a cross-fade for the sub-loop to eliminate clicks but trim the new material with a zero-crossing adjustment. I like your idea of selectable/controllable fades. >Shure, HW is for the road and SW for the studio. >I might try to use a notebook for a show, but then again, clicks are less audible there, so we really need more >parameters and quality in the studio and therefore a bigger display and time to operate - it fits together. >All I am concerned with is that the HW and SW systems are not too different so the user can use the same >foot pedal with the same basic functions to create the same music. Yes! Convergence! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 14:55:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30171; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:55:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:55:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000914133848.00f94c20@midiwall.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000914133848.00f94c20@midiwall.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:41:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Repeater Info Online Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9wR3b.A.6WH.47Rw5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Electrix has posted up a TON of info about Repeater. And a picture of my current live rig setup...which i sent to Damon a while back (in their 'gear spotted' page). Meanwhile, my head has swelled to such enormous proportions that my coworkers are complaining when i get stuck in the doorways! thanks Damon, and the info on the Repeater is very sweet. rich ps. Damon, is Chris Vrenna a guy or a girl? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 15:03:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30543; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:02:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:02:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000914135740.02c75100@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:00:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater Info Online In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000914133848.00f94c20@midiwall.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000914133848.00f94c20@midiwall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich (01:41 PM 09.14.2000) wrote: >>Electrix has posted up a TON of info about Repeater. > >And a picture of my current live rig setup...which i sent to Damon a while >back (in their 'gear spotted' page). Meanwhile, my head has swelled to >such enormous proportions that my coworkers are complaining when i get stuck >in the doorways! :) (and don't forget to read that new article in the "views" section! :) >ps. Damon, is Chris Vrenna a guy or a girl? Chris is a guy. Outside of the male pronouns used in the text, you can (usually) tell by someone's hands. But, I also know that Chris is a guy. Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 15:08:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30844; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:07:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:07:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601c01e80$10fac150$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> From: "Pulse 8" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000914133848.00f94c20@midiwall.com><4.3.2.7.2.20000914133848.00f94c20@midiwall.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000914135740.02c75100@mail.redmoon-music.com> Subject: Re: Repeater Info Online Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:14:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chris Vrenna...from NiN fame? Joshua Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 http://www.beyond-earth.net http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Pulver" To: Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 2:00 PM Subject: Re: Repeater Info Online > rich (01:41 PM 09.14.2000) wrote: > > >>Electrix has posted up a TON of info about Repeater. > > > >And a picture of my current live rig setup...which i sent to Damon a while > >back (in their 'gear spotted' page). Meanwhile, my head has swelled to > >such enormous proportions that my coworkers are complaining when i get stuck > >in the doorways! > > :) > > > (and don't forget to read that new article in the "views" section! :) > > > >ps. Damon, is Chris Vrenna a guy or a girl? > > Chris is a guy. Outside of the male pronouns used in the text, you can > (usually) tell by someone's hands. But, I also know that Chris is a guy. > > > Mark > _______________________________________________________ > |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica > | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com > _______________________________________________________ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 15:12:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31122; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:11:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:11:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000914140939.00f25730@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:10:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater Info Online In-Reply-To: <005601c01e80$10fac150$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000914133848.00f94c20@midiwall.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000914133848.00f94c20@midiwall.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000914135740.02c75100@mail.redmoon-music.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pulse 8 (02:14 PM 09.14.2000) wrote: >Chris Vrenna...from NiN fame? Yeup. There's a pic of him up on the Electrix site and he's looking a little fair skinned and pale. :) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 15:27:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31634; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:26:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:26:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:23:07 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater Info Online To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <06b701c01e81$367cfff0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000914133848.00f94c20@midiwall.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i was under the impression that the four loops were independant (unless linked stereo). the current text: "Repeater can have up to 99 loops with 4 tracks per loop" seems to indicate that maybe the loop times are the same. is this true? is time-stretch and pitch shift independantly applied per track or does it effect the whole set? i'm hoping this is just terminology confusion like the different ways synth manufacturers refer to a "patch" dreaming of four different loops phasing or polyrhythmicly bouncing... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Pulver" To: Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 1:39 PM Subject: Repeater Info Online > > Electrix has posted up a TON of info about Repeater. > > Head for: > > http://www.electrixpro.com/ > > Click on the Repeater pics on the front page > Click on "Repeater" at the top of the left frame > > Get your Visa cards ready. > > :) > > > Mark > _______________________________________________________ > |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica > | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com > _______________________________________________________ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 15:59:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00531; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:58:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:58:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:10:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: Repeater Info Online Cc: jimp@pobox.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >is this true? is time-stretch and pitch shift independantly >applied per track or does it effect the whole set? >i'm hoping this is just terminology confusion like the >different ways synth manufacturers refer to a "patch" > Jim- The 4 tracks all must be the same length. Tempo control is also "global", effecting all 4 tracks. For "phasing", you can independently timeslip each track. The tracks can be independently pitchshifted, however. I was told that this was more an issue of keeping control and user interface simple than technological difficulty. Of course, you could buy two, and have independent midiclocked linked polyrhythms... Needless to say, I'm really looking forward to this unit... Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 16:06:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00899; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:03:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:03:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000914140939.00f25730@mail.redmoon-music.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000914133848.00f94c20@midiwall.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000914133848.00f94c20@midiwall.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000914135740.02c75100@mail.redmoon-music.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000914140939.00f25730@mail.redmoon-music.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:50:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Repeater Info Online Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Pulse 8 (02:14 PM 09.14.2000) wrote: > >>Chris Vrenna...from NiN fame? > >Yeup. > >There's a pic of him up on the Electrix site and he's looking a >little fair skinned and pale. :) > > >Mark And that hairdo! man oh man... rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 16:19:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01977; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:18:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:18:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200009142017.NAA15902@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: peaceland@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:21:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: James Musser Subject: Re: Repeater Info Online In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe I'm missing something... but there's no delay line on this thing... just a sampler, basically? or is the delay issue just inherent in these things? Peace, Love, & Music James Musser peaceland@earthlink.net Lessons at: http://home.earthlink.net/~peaceland/peaceland.htm Underwater Traffic: http://members.aol.com/utjam/ut.htm Top 100 Unsigned Bands in L.A. '99 - Music Connection Nominations: Best South Bay Band '97 - Rock City News Best Guitar '97 & Best L.A. Band '96 - LA Music Awards From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 16:30:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02630; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:27:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:27:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000914152125.00f2f6c0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:25:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater Info Online In-Reply-To: <200009142017.NAA15902@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com James Musser (03:21 PM 09.14.2000) wrote: >Maybe I'm missing something... but there's no delay line on this thing... >just a sampler, basically? or is the delay issue just inherent in these things? No, Repeater isn't a delay line. "Basically" it's a 4 track memory based sampler/recorder with looping capabilities. Beyond the basics, it can do time and pitch mangling in real time, with overdubbing on all tracks, all under MIDI control. And a lot more. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 16:32:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03097; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:31:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:31:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: Repeater Info Online Message-ID: <0056910007228379000002L192*@MHS> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:33:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 09/14/00 15:30:37" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA02939 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd reccomend spending some time on the Looper's Delight website reading about all the "Tools of the Trade." The lines between looper / sampler / and delay are a little fuzzy. Each acts like the others under certain conditions. Loop Bro, K peaceland@earthlink.net on 09/14/2000 01:21:33 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP cc: Subject: Re: Repeater Info Online Classification: Maybe I'm missing something... but there's no delay line on this thing... just a sampler, basically? or is the delay issue just inherent in these things? Peace, Love, & Music James Musser peaceland@earthlink.net Lessons at: http://home.earthlink.net/~peaceland/peaceland.htm Underwater Traffic: http://members.aol.com/utjam/ut.htm Top 100 Unsigned Bands in L.A. '99 - Music Connection Nominations: Best South Bay Band '97 - Rock City News Best Guitar '97 & Best L.A. Band '96 - LA Music Awards From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 16:36:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03453; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:35:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:35:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000914162814.00692280@total.net> X-Sender: chleduc@total.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:28:20 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Christian Leduc Subject: Re: Deltalab style infinite repeat? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 13:08 00-09-14 -0500, you wrote: >I'm kinda ignorant on how the old Deltalabs operated. How's it different than >loopers like DL4, Headrush, Jamman, EDP, etc.? It works like a standard delay pedal with a delay up to 4096 msecs. When you like your groove, you hit the "infinite repeats" button (or a footswitch). The thing will be running until you release the button and it will decay at the level of feedback you indicated on the unit. When you are on the "infinite repeats" mode, you can do things over that don't go in the loop. The DL4 doesn't have this feature. And for the Headrush, I actually don't remember if it's got an infinite repeat button. If I remember correctly, it doesn't. What is great with the Deltalab's Echotron is the two kinds of feedback on the same knob. Clockwise= Hard feedback (like digital units) Counter clockwise= Soft feedback (like older, analog units) Center= No feedback It's a very old unit but I think it sounds great. Better than most digital units like the DL4 or BOSS delays. I even think it sounds better than my IBanez analog delay. But for the looping options, it's a little prehistoric. :) Christian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 16:39:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03729; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:38:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:38:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater Info Online Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:37:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com James, You could use Repeater like a delay line by setting an initial loop length and then just leaving it in record mode with the overdub regeneration set to your desired amount. This means you could have a 190 second delay with the memory that ships with Repeater. Jim, Yes, the 4 tracks are of the same length. They are essentially 4 parts to the loop. Things you can do on a per track basis: Pitch shift Track position (good for phasing and composing) FX send Level Resample/bounce Record Overdub Hope this helps to clarify things. Best Regards, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix / IVL "No Creative Barriers" Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 16:42:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04037; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:41:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:41:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200009142041.NAA11380@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: peaceland@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:44:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: James Musser Subject: Re: Repeater Info Online/The Year 2000 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000914152125.00f2f6c0@mail.redmoon-music.com> References: <200009142017.NAA15902@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >No, Repeater isn't a delay line. "Basically" it's a 4 track memory based >sampler/recorder with looping capabilities. Beyond the basics, it can do >time and pitch mangling in real time, with overdubbing on all tracks, all >under MIDI control. It amazes me how year after year... things will come out... yet, folks still drool over the cool things in boxes from 1980s... Where are people's minds? I know if I were a manufacturer, I would be lining up users and milking them for every suggestion I could find... I beta for a bunch of companies... do they listen? Rarely. What is it? Where are people's minds... In other words... why can't we have it all? There's always something about one of these boxes that pisses people off... why do they do that to us? Why not just make the thing right from the beginning? So we have to upgrade? And we always move halfway closer to the goal? We need a new company... GODBOX, that has everything you ever wanted and more (because they listen to end users). Has all the freedom, flexibility, sonic quality, I/O freedom... midi control that works... and software to easily program these things... realtime and preset control, and interfaces flawlessly with everything else you have, and doesn't screw up! ... and of course lets you save everything to disk on computer somehow... Is it really that difficult? Peace, Love, & Music James Musser peaceland@earthlink.net Lessons at: http://home.earthlink.net/~peaceland/peaceland.htm Underwater Traffic: http://members.aol.com/utjam/ut.htm Top 100 Unsigned Bands in L.A. '99 - Music Connection Nominations: Best South Bay Band '97 - Rock City News Best Guitar '97 & Best L.A. Band '96 - LA Music Awards From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 16:42:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04082; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:42:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:42:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:27:12 -0700 From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: zoom 2100 revisited To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003d01c01e9a$edab5780$735cfea9@pavilion> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it is a tripper for the $$--I just sold my remaining Jamman to concentrate on my short duration (10 second and less) loopers (also for the $$) I really like the fact that you can do some nicely strange effects (e.g comp-wah c4 with an expresssion pedal to LFO the signal) ahead of your loop in a small unit--you Burning Hair guys oughtto score a couple and put 'em in Ziplocs for next year drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideomo@swbell.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 5:10 PM Subject: zoom 2100 revisited > not having my rang made me turn to the zoom 2100 for my loops........what > good cheap fun.........it made the "big" noise.........michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 16:45:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04580; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:45:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:45:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200009142044.NAA22104@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: peaceland@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:47:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: James Musser Subject: Re: Deltalab style infinite repeat? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20000914162814.00692280@total.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >It works like a standard delay pedal with a delay up to 4096 msecs. When >you like your groove, you hit the "infinite repeats" button (or a >footswitch). Everything else being correct, from what I remember, the 4096 had one problem... it only registered things after you hit the infinite button... in other words you had to turn the loop on, then hit infinite... which sucked. The 1024 was not that way... it kept whatever you wanted in the loop... it was awesome... but noisy... that's my only complaint. Otherwise... killer unit. Peace, Love, & Music James Musser peaceland@earthlink.net Lessons at: http://home.earthlink.net/~peaceland/peaceland.htm Underwater Traffic: http://members.aol.com/utjam/ut.htm Top 100 Unsigned Bands in L.A. '99 - Music Connection Nominations: Best South Bay Band '97 - Rock City News Best Guitar '97 & Best L.A. Band '96 - LA Music Awards From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 17:13:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05808; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:12:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:12:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200009142111.OAA01227@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: peaceland@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:15:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: James Musser Subject: RE: Repeater Info Online In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:37 PM 9/14/00 -0700, you wrote: >You could use Repeater like a delay line by setting an initial loop length >and then just leaving it in record mode with the overdub regeneration set to >your desired amount. This means you could have a 190 second delay with the >memory that ships with Repeater. It sounds like an interesting tool, of course... but why was the delay left off? Peace, Love, & Music James Musser peaceland@earthlink.net Lessons at: http://home.earthlink.net/~peaceland/peaceland.htm Underwater Traffic: http://members.aol.com/utjam/ut.htm Top 100 Unsigned Bands in L.A. '99 - Music Connection Nominations: Best South Bay Band '97 - Rock City News Best Guitar '97 & Best L.A. Band '96 - LA Music Awards From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 17:19:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06262; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:19:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:19:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200009142118.OAA01461@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:27:52 -0500 Subject: Re: zoom 2100 revisited From: "michele wortman&guy aitchison" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com unsubscribe ---------- >From: Tom Lambrecht >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: zoom 2100 revisited >Date: Thu, Sep 14, 2000, 5:27 PM > > it is a tripper for the $$--I just sold my remaining Jamman to concentrate > on my short duration (10 second and less) loopers (also for the $$) > > I really like the fact that you can do some nicely strange effects (e.g > comp-wah c4 with an expresssion pedal to LFO the signal) ahead of your loop > in a small unit--you Burning Hair guys oughtto score a couple and put 'em in > Ziplocs for next year > > drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Tom Lambrecht > > hideomo@swbell.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 5:10 PM > Subject: zoom 2100 revisited > > >> not having my rang made me turn to the zoom 2100 for my loops........what >> good cheap fun.........it made the "big" noise.........michael >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 17:25:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06784; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:25:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:25:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c01e91$cc878aa0$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> From: "Bob Campbell" To: References: <200009142044.NAA22104@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: group buy? Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:21:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I remember a year or so ago somebody organanized a group edp buy through Alto. Any chance of that happening with Repeater? Im sure *many* of the first batch of shipping units will end up in the hands of list members. Can we leverage that? Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 17:47:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08054; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:47:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:47:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater Info Online Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:45:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >It sounds like an interesting tool, of course... but why was the delay left >off? Because it's a Loop Based Digital Recorder :) We wanted to do the best we possibly could at that job. This is one of the reasons we included a very flexible FX insert so you could integrate your favorite delay into Repeater, like say....a MoFX (insert groan). Best Regards, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix / IVL "No Creative Barriers" Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 17:50:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08328; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:50:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:50:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:56:08 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: group buy? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <06f901c01e96$9682dc20$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <200009142044.NAA22104@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <002c01c01e91$cc878aa0$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com count me in ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Campbell" To: Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 4:21 PM Subject: group buy? > I remember a year or so ago somebody organanized a group edp buy through > Alto. > > Any chance of that happening with Repeater? Im sure *many* of the first > batch of shipping units will end up in the hands of list members. Can we > leverage that? > > Bob > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 17:57:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08882; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:57:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:57:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d901c01e96$a4283500$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <200009142044.NAA22104@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <002c01c01e91$cc878aa0$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> <06f901c01e96$9682dc20$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: group buy? Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:56:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Me too! Let's do this! ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim palmer" To: Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 5:56 PM Subject: Re: group buy? > count me in > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Campbell" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 4:21 PM > Subject: group buy? > > > > I remember a year or so ago somebody organanized a group edp buy through > > Alto. > > > > Any chance of that happening with Repeater? Im sure *many* of the first > > batch of shipping units will end up in the hands of list members. Can we > > leverage that? > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 17:57:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08976; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:57:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:57:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <06f901c01e96$9682dc20$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <200009142044.NAA22104@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <002c01c01e91$cc878aa0$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> <06f901c01e96$9682dc20$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:55:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: group buy? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >count me in me 2. /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 17:59:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09192; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:58:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:58:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000914161720.02c2bab0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:56:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater Info Online/The Year 2000 In-Reply-To: <200009142041.NAA11380@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000914152125.00f2f6c0@mail.redmoon-music.com> <200009142017.NAA15902@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <7fTEyC.A.LOC.-nUw5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com James Musser (03:44 PM 09.14.2000) wrote: >We need a new company... GODBOX, that has everything you ever wanted and >more (because they listen to end users). Has all the freedom, flexibility, >sonic quality, I/O freedom... midi control that works... and software to >easily program these things... realtime and preset control, and interfaces >flawlessly with everything else you have, and doesn't screw up! ... and of >course lets you save everything to disk on computer somehow... > >Is it really that difficult? Not to launch into a business course here, but... What are you willing to pay for your dream box? And do you think that someone else will pay for it as well? Will 1,000 people pay for it? Will 30,000 people pay for it? You can't please everyone in features *and* please them in price *and* make a return on the investment from a business perspective. For example... Probably the single most expensive piece of gear in a large format pro studio is the console. Even though, *anyone* can sit in front of a Euphonix System 5, (or SSL Axiom or or or) and find _something_ that they would have different. Given the price point at that end of the scale and the amount of time that reps will spend with a client that's about to drop $1mil on a bunch of sliders and blinky lights, the client STILL will not get what they _want_ and someone will be talked into making a concession. At the other end of the mixing desk scale are the low end of the lines from folks like Mackie, Soundcraft, Behringer, etc. These guys ares used to environments where there is no pre-sales support, no pre-sales feedback, and often times the consumer doesn't even look at the board before they buy it. But, the end result is the same... The consumer will no doubt find themselves in a point where they have to make a concession about something regarding that board. My point is here that it's not a function of cash that will change the feature set of a product. You mention beta testing. I beta test a lot as well... Music gear, operating systems, protocol stacks, compilers, computer equipment, various things. As a _beta_ tester, you are rarely in a position that you can shape the final product _dramatically_. I was in a test for a piece of hardware that I would LOVED to have been in the original design meetings TWO YEARS prior - because I thought that the product had a much steeper learning curve than necessary just to deal with the physical UI. But, there's no way that anything I said during the beta could of changed the fact that the cosmetics, silkscreen, manuals, manufacturing line, etc. were all tooled and ready to run. As a beta tester, I'm was looking for bugs in the OS and, I did have a voice in giving feedback about how the software side of the UI was running and offer-up ideas for change. But even those wouldn't of seen the light of day until the second major rev of the code. Beta testing is just too late... If you're lucky enough to hit on an _alpha_ test and working on a simulator (i.e., before the hardware tooling is complete) then you're in a better spot to shape the world. For the most part, in this day and age, the timeline from beta test to production was decided on paper a year ago. It was also long ago decided that the physical product out for test wouldn't be changed. Another part is trolling during the "I got an idea" stage.. For a company to _actively_ poll a user base for ideas can be horrendous. Once a company comes out with the questions, "the jig is up" and the company is basically showing it's cards to the world on what it's thinking. The market in the music world is cut throat. The time to turn-around a design is very short in the grand scheme of things, and the time is even shorter for the *competition* to turn a design. Say someone comes here and says "what do you want in a MIDI pedal board", they will undoubtedly get a slew of answers. If that person is John Smith (i.e., not affiliated with a company) then _someone_ might take note, but for the most part folks will think that he's an independent with a dream and wish him luck. But, if a named company comes public with questions about a new idea, you can bet that people figure that something is up, and they will take a bit more notice. In fact, "they" may be another manufacturer listening in on the ensuing conversation. And... They may take enough notice of the conversation to start down a similar development path themselves. In fact, they may BEAT the first company to market. That's competition, and all the companies deal with it all the time. But, that's a _form_ of competition also breeds methods of combating against it. For example, you camp out on a mailing list and watch the comments of folks about various topics; you drop in as a private user and ask questions; you look to the outside world, tap a working musician on the shoulder and say "hey, can I talk to you for a minute?". But _rarely_ do you come out in public showing your cards. Most companies these days keep their ideas and thinking process under tighter control than their schematics or source code. The money is in tomorrow's idea, but they have to sell yesterday's in order to pay for it. If you have an unlimited bankroll, then in this case you can certainly get what you want. You can always have something custom built. But in the meantime, there's the rest of us out that generally have to look at the market and decide which of someone else's ideas best suits our needs. :) Yikes... I soapboxed. Sorry... Thanks for reading. :) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 18:08:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09732; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:08:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:08:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006201c01e97$daf10f20$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> From: "Bob Campbell" To: References: <200009142044.NAA22104@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <002c01c01e91$cc878aa0$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> <06f901c01e96$9682dc20$080210ac@jpalmer> <00d901c01e96$a4283500$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: hold the me-toos! (was group buy?) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:05:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oops - let's not have 200 'count me in' msgs!!! I think we already know this isn't an idea falling on deaf ears. lol. any concrete suggestions on how to do this? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 18:10:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09909; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:10:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:10:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c01e98$7e6feae0$9983abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: References: <200009142044.NAA22104@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <002c01c01e91$cc878aa0$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> <06f901c01e96$9682dc20$080210ac@jpalmer> <00d901c01e96$a4283500$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Subject: R: group buy? Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 00:09:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com me 4 Luca ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Shindler To: Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 11:56 PM Subject: Re: group buy? > Me too! Let's do this! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jim palmer" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 5:56 PM > Subject: Re: group buy? > > > > count me in > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bob Campbell" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 4:21 PM > > Subject: group buy? > > > > > > > I remember a year or so ago somebody organanized a group edp buy through > > > Alto. > > > > > > Any chance of that happening with Repeater? Im sure *many* of the first > > > batch of shipping units will end up in the hands of list members. Can we > > > leverage that? > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 18:30:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10772; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:30:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:30:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:33:00 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: hold the me-toos! (was group buy?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <079a01c01e9b$bd307e90$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <200009142044.NAA22104@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <002c01c01e91$cc878aa0$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> <06f901c01e96$9682dc20$080210ac@jpalmer> <00d901c01e96$a4283500$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> <006201c01e97$daf10f20$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey, man i thought you had it all going on. how did the people you were referring to set it up? damon, any chance of a direct purchase? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Campbell" To: Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 5:05 PM Subject: Re: hold the me-toos! (was group buy?) > oops - let's not have 200 'count me in' msgs!!! > I think we already know this isn't an idea falling on deaf ears. lol. > > any concrete suggestions on how to do this? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 18:40:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07603; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:39:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:39:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200009142111.OAA01227@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <200009142111.OAA01227@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:25:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: Repeater Info Online Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 01:37 PM 9/14/00 -0700, you wrote: >>You could use Repeater like a delay line by setting an initial loop length >>and then just leaving it in record mode with the overdub regeneration set to >>your desired amount. This means you could have a 190 second delay with the >>memory that ships with Repeater. > >It sounds like an interesting tool, of course... but why was the delay left >off? That is a delay, is it not? With all that the Repeater is offering, i would hope that us crazy loopers would be able to figure out how to mangle things up to our satisfaction. What Damon is saying is that the unit is flexible, like the 'feedback' control of the EDP. This seems better than the old delay units with the infinite repeat, in that you don't have to guess the length of the delay to catch the infinite repeat if you had a long setting (catching a rythmic loop on a Digitech 8-second was a bitch). You just tap in the loop length and let it decay off with however many repeats you want. Then turn record off, turn the regeneration up and your in 'loop' mode. am i right here? With the pitch shifting capabilities, i am hoping i can use this beast as a 'melting' of my two favored tools....Lexicon Jamman and Digitech PDS pedals, without the limitations of each. Setting loop lengths and tapping in delay times ala Jamman, and being able to twist pitches around ala the digitechs, and being able to go from 'delay' mode into 'infinite repeat' and back like the digi's. A question, though, while i'm thinking about the digitechs...If you start changing the tempo on a specific loop, could you have it where it actually did affect the pitch? Like turning the delay time knob on the digitechs? I really do wish to alter tempo and keep the pitch the same at times, but one of the cool things on the digi's was to have the regeneration fairly low, catch an infinite repeat and start mangling with the delay time knob, and then cut the infinite repeat out and go into 'delay' mode and your warped signal faded fairly quickly because of the low regen setting. Nice for 'doppler' kind of effects. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 18:51:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11211; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:37:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:37:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000914223654.22216.qmail@web209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:36:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: R: group buy? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com |: me too :| - is anybody counting? what is critical mass? What is the question to the answer 42? stephen > me 4 > > > count me in ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 18:53:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11633; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:42:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:42:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: hold the me-toos! (was group buy?) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:41:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <9yJl.A.4zC.kQVw5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We just had a quick huddle here at Electrix. Here is how I would suggest a group buy could work. Organize how many Repeaters everyone will want. Then contact one of our e-dealers (a list is on our site). If they know in advance how many units are required they can place a larger order so we can provide them with a discount that should be passed on to you. letting them know in advance is also key because our initial production run is limited and there won't be another run until January. Any dealer should respond favorably to a group buy discount. We unfortunately cannot sell direct without upsetting our network of distributors. Best Regards, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix / IVL "No Creative Barriers" Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 18:55:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11668; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:43:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:43:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000914173913.00f79f00@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:41:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: R: group buy? In-Reply-To: <20000914223654.22216.qmail@web209.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stephen (05:36 PM 09.14.2000) wrote: >What is the question to the answer 42? "What is the meaning of life" From _Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 19:02:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12604; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:02:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:02:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000914180022.0087da30@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:00:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Repeater Info Online Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 4 tracks all the same length? Bummer. The Repeater is probably a nice piece of equipment, but I'll take my EDP - make it two. Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 19:05:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12792; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:05:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:05:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Repeater Info Online Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:08:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20000914180022.0087da30@mail.airmail.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How much does flash ram cost these days, again? bIz (sizing up the space left in his rack) Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Clark [mailto:mcl451@airmail.net] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 4:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Info Online 4 tracks all the same length? Bummer. The Repeater is probably a nice piece of equipment, but I'll take my EDP - make it two. Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 19:07:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12964; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:07:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:07:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:08:08 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: R: group buy? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <07bc01c01ea0$add06410$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000914173913.00f79f00@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com alex trebek: ah, sorry. you forgot to phrase your answer as a question anyway the answer and the question cannot both be known. this allows philosophers to continue to make a living. how many roads must a man walk down? 42. plus if it were so easy, the mice would not have had to build the earth... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Pulver" To: Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 5:41 PM Subject: Re: R: group buy? > Stephen (05:36 PM 09.14.2000) wrote: > > >What is the question to the answer 42? > > "What is the meaning of life" > > From _Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_. > > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 19:09:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13142; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:09:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:09:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009301c01ea0$a9b6bd20$0100a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers List" Subject: Repeater Babble Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:08:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am about to create a filter for any mail with the word "Repeater" in it- 56 posts? No thanks- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 19:12:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13337; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:12:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:12:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000914181010.00f46460@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:10:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: RE: Repeater Info Online In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.20000914180022.0087da30@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jonathan El-Bizri (06:08 PM 09.14.2000) wrote: >How much does flash ram cost these days, again? CompactFlash is about $2/mb on the street: http://www.us.buy.com/retail/searchresults.asp?search_store=1&qu=compactflash+sandisk Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 19:24:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13692; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:24:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:24:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:18:35 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater Info Online To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <07ec01c01ea2$21624f00$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <3.0.3.32.20000914180022.0087da30@mail.airmail.net> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com don't forget that these are four simultaneously playing tracks. the thing has 9 minutes of space for non-simultaneous loops. who knows how easy it will be to access these loops in real time, though. one reason i will be keeping my (recently acquired) edp is that i think it will be easier to construct songs on the fly because of loop copy and multiply. it looks like the electrix only has a double function. we shall see. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Clark" To: Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 6:00 PM Subject: Re: Repeater Info Online > 4 tracks all the same length? Bummer. > > The Repeater is probably a nice piece of equipment, but I'll take my EDP - > make it two. > > Michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 19:27:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13853; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:26:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:26:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: tri.tran@baesystems.com Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:25:37 -0500 Subject: RE: group buy? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C01EA3.17054DE0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C01EA3.17054DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" me 5 -----Original Message----- From: Luca [mailto:lucafeed@tin.it] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 5:10 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: R: group buy? me 4 Luca ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Shindler To: Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 11:56 PM Subject: Re: group buy? > Me too! Let's do this! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jim palmer" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 5:56 PM > Subject: Re: group buy? > > > > count me in > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bob Campbell" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 4:21 PM > > Subject: group buy? > > > > > > > I remember a year or so ago somebody organanized a group edp buy through > > > Alto. > > > > > > Any chance of that happening with Repeater? Im sure *many* of the first > > > batch of shipping units will end up in the hands of list members. Can we > > > leverage that? > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C01EA3.17054DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: group buy?

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> Me too!  Let's do this!
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> From: "jim palmer" <jimp@pobox.com>
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> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 5:56 PM
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> > From: "Bob Campbell" <rcc@nwlink.com>
> > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 4:21 PM
> > Subject: group buy?
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> > > Any chance of that happening with Repeater?  Im sure *many* of the
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> > > batch of shipping units will end up in the hands of list members. Can
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C01EA3.17054DE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 19:30:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14137; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:29:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:29:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:28:56 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: R: group buy? Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 209.86.144.191 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes me as well! Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com wrote: > me 4 Luca ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Shindler To: Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 11:56 PM Subject: Re: group buy? > Me too! Let's do this! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jim palmer" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 5:56 PM > Subject: Re: group buy? > > > > count me in > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bob Campbell" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 4:21 PM > > Subject: group buy? > > > > > > > I remember a year or so ago somebody organanized a group edp buy through > > > Alto. > > > > > > Any chance of that happening with Repeater? Im sure *many* of the first > > > batch of shipping units will end up in the hands of list members. Can we > > > leverage that? > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 19:32:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14331; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:32:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:32:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:30:48 -0700 From: "sock s" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: sop@n2mail.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Repeater.. (and X-Sender-Ip: 216.90.139.124 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3AjWdC.A.NfD.T_Vw5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>is this true? is time-stretch and pitch shift independantly >applied per track or does it effect the whole set? >i'm hoping this is just terminology confusion like the >>different ways synth manufacturers refer to a "patch">Jim- >The 4 tracks all must be the same length. Tempo control is also "global", effecting all 4 tracks. For "phasing", you can independently timeslip each track. The tracks can be independently pitchshifted, however. I was told that this was more an issue of keeping control and user interface simple than technological difficulty. > hey how about a: "wacko / use at your own risk/confusioin" mode that lets you use the four tracks totally independently (at the loss of other features while in that mode, if it must be) Independent loops is/was the main point of interested for me in the Repeater. multiply can only be used on all tracks together at once ? I think it would be good if it could send MIDI messages for "synced recording" so that you can instantly put exact loops onto a sampler... (way more practical than MIDI dump..) (so start of loop cycle can trigger record start on the sampler , and end of loop cycle can trigger record stop on the sampler (or phrase recorder) ..) Can this already be done with the Echoplex very easily ? (or could it with a software upgrade?) (or is there a way to do this with anything like from the start and end cycle of a drum machine.. ?) What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 19:38:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14687; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:38:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:38:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000914194408.007c8660@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:44:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Repeater Info Online In-Reply-To: <07ec01c01ea2$21624f00$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <3.0.3.32.20000914180022.0087da30@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:18 PM 9/14/00 -0500, you wrote: >one reason i will be keeping my (recently acquired) edp is >that i think it will be easier to construct songs on the fly >because of loop copy and multiply. >it looks like the electrix only has a double function. I didn't see on the site any info about what happens if you use the "double" function twice; does it quadruple, memory allowing? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 19:40:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14837; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:39:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:39:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000914183732.00f4f500@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:38:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater Info Online In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000914194408.007c8660@pop.ici.net> References: <07ec01c01ea2$21624f00$080210ac@jpalmer> <3.0.3.32.20000914180022.0087da30@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Nelson (06:44 PM 09.14.2000) wrote: >>one reason i will be keeping my (recently acquired) edp is >>that i think it will be easier to construct songs on the fly >>because of loop copy and multiply. >>it looks like the electrix only has a double function. > >I didn't see on the site any info about what happens if you use the >"double" function twice; does it quadruple, memory allowing? Don't miss the "copy" button above the record button. :) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 20:06:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15338; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:05:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:05:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater Info Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:03:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <297-p.A.3uD.PeWw5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I didn't see on the site any info about what happens if you use the >"double" function twice; does it quadruple, memory allowing? Keep doubling as long as your memory holds out. Best Regards, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix / IVL "No Creative Barriers" Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 20:09:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15491; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:08:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:08:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:01:30 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater Info Online To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <08a501c01ea8$1bdcfb60$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <07ec01c01ea2$21624f00$080210ac@jpalmer> <3.0.3.32.20000914180022.0087da30@mail.airmail.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20000914183732.00f4f500@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Don't miss the "copy" button above the record button. you may be right. and i have little doubt the thing is going to be cool. but i think it will be an addition to my toolset. rather than a replacement. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 20:15:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15768; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:14:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:14:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Message-ID: <3e.e487d1.26f2c3bb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:13:47 EDT Subject: Alto Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi-This is Jon from Alto Music.I'm the guy who has delivered several hundred echoplexes to this group.I will see what I can do to arrange a group buy for the Repeater.For anyone wondering I still have loads of Echoplexes on order and plan on honoring all of my prior commitments as well as any new ones that I can.Production on those should ramp back up sometime in the fall-Thats all I know for now.Email-altomusic@altomusic.com Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 20:17:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15907; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:16:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:16:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39C16A47.8660A15B@hoover-keith.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:16:07 -0500 From: "Ryan D. Supak" X-Sender: "Ryan D. Supak" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: in support of conservatism References: <07ec01c01ea2$21624f00$080210ac@jpalmer> <3.0.3.32.20000914180022.0087da30@mail.airmail.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20000914183732.00f4f500@mail.redmoon-music.com> <08a501c01ea8$1bdcfb60$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_BNTs.A.43D.VpWw5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > but i think [Repeater] will be an addition to my toolset. > rather than a replacement. "...the buy, sell and trade approach (where a relatively capable person scores a great piece of gear or two, but somehow gets caught up in the never-ending cycle of what might be better. Consequently selling and trading their equipment all the time in hopes of one day attaining the "perfect" setup...these types , while often amassing a great deal of gear, never seem to produce a drop of music.) ..." --quoted from Sunshine Jones's "A Beginner's Guide to home Studio Recording" r.s. np: "Come On, Come Over" - Jaco Pastorius feat. Sam and Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 20:26:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16249; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:26:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:26:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 07:03:17 -0400 (EDT) From: noah X-Sender: fishmong@aint-got-nothin.mit.edu To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: *Repeater Mass Purchase* Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okay. Anyone who wants to join the repeater mass purchase program, send one email to: repeater@braincramp.org with your name, and I'll tally it up and update to the list. Sound like a deal? -><- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 20:34:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16560; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:33:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:33:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8BE66DD8.4E7EE431@columbia.edu> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1908 10:18:59 -0500 From: Morgan Hamilton Lang X-Sender: "Morgan Hamilton Lang" <@smtp.columbia.edu> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-NECCK (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Join in projects w/the CT Collective Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello there, Loopaires: I belong to a group, the CT Collective, that formed through LD a long time ago in a galaxy far away. We make compilations of our loopesque music by volunteering labor and collectively producing the work. I'm organizing 2 new theme-based projects that people might be interested in. The first, OBJECT, goes like this: take an object not ordinarily thought to posess any musical characteristics. Make music with it by looping it, multitracking, adding effects, and so on. The second, VIDEO GAME, goes like this: make a fun piece of music using only video game or computer game noises in a new and exciting way. A few of our CD's are MP3'd our website at http://www.loopxchange.com , in case you'd like to hear what we've been up to. We have a few other projects that are nearing completion, so keep your ears tuned. If you think you might be interested in submitting something for either of these projects, let me know soon. The deadline is only 1 month away. Thanks, Morgan Hamilton Lang http://www.loopxchange.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 20:59:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17026; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:59:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:59:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.240.200.136] From: "space module" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: in support of conservatism Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:58:36 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Sep 2000 00:58:36.0763 (UTC) FILETIME=[142832B0:01C01EB0] Resent-Message-ID: <52LwUC.A.UJE.ZRXw5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com True, some gear fetishists produce little to no music, but on the other hand if you have the technical ability and the imagination, having a "Better" tool will expand your vistas of creativity. Also if you have invested many hours learning how to use a device and are happy with the results you create, why dump it for something new and better. I have rarely ever seen a new piece of kit that has duplicated all of the feature set of previously made gear. Something always get's left behind. I buy new gear from time to time, but rarely replace anything. I still have to complete my Studio and PA. sm 1st... > > but i think [Repeater] will be an addition to my toolset. > > rather than a replacement. > Then... >"...the buy, sell and trade approach (where a relatively capable person >scores a great piece of gear or two, but somehow gets > caught up in the never-ending cycle of what might be >better. Consequently selling and trading their equipment all the time in >hopes of one day attaining the > "perfect" setup...these types , while often amassing a >great deal of gear, never seem to produce a drop of music.) ..." > >--quoted from Sunshine Jones's "A Beginner's Guide to home Studio >Recording" > >r.s. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 21:06:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17321; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:05:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:05:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000914200351.00826570@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:03:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Repeater Info Online In-Reply-To: <07ec01c01ea2$21624f00$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <3.0.3.32.20000914180022.0087da30@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <00VOI.A.mNE._WXw5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes. We'll see. Loop copy, multiply and the many other functions are very important relative to how I compose real time. I haven't written it off. I'm just not as excited. Michael At 06:18 PM 9/14/00 -0500, you wrote: >don't forget that these are four simultaneously playing tracks. >the thing has 9 minutes of space for non-simultaneous loops. > >who knows how easy it will be to access these loops in real time, though. > >one reason i will be keeping my (recently acquired) edp is >that i think it will be easier to construct songs on the fly >because of loop copy and multiply. >it looks like the electrix only has a double function. > >we shall see. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Clark" >To: >Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 6:00 PM >Subject: Re: Repeater Info Online > > >> 4 tracks all the same length? Bummer. >> >> The Repeater is probably a nice piece of equipment, but I'll take my EDP - >> make it two. >> >> Michael >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 21:10:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17263; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:05:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:05:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39C1758A.72E520EA@hoover-keith.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:04:10 -0500 From: "Ryan D. Supak" X-Sender: "Ryan D. Supak" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: in support of conservatism References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > if you have the technical ability and the imagination, having a > "Better" > tool will expand your vistas of creativity. agreed, agreed... moderation is certainly in order here. r.s. np: "Satan Dub" - Lee "Scratch" Perry From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 21:26:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17967; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:26:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:26:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000914202405.00826560@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:24:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: My Offer To Our Group Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi! Yes numerous questions about the Repeater. Everyone has been very kind in answering my looping/equipment questions - here's a way I can return the favor. Here's my offer: I have a bridge line that accommodates 30 people at one time, i.e. 30 people can be on the call at once. It's like a large conference call. No charge other than whatever you pay for LD. It's a 702 area code. You call in at a pre-determined time and join 29 other people. I will set up a call with Damon as the representative of the Repeater (if he wants to - haven't contacted him) and as many as 28 list members who have questions about the product. I'll moderate the discussion. The discussion/questions will last 1 hour. Let me know. This offer is exclusive to the loopers on this group. Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 21:29:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18156; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:29:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:29:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:26:05 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: in support of conservatism To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <08c101c01eb3$ed3ef7c0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think the real problem with "gearism" is when creativity is replaced with the process of acquisition or when creativity is postponed while waiting to "complete" a setup. i don't think my setup will ever be complete in that way. in the same sense, i don't think my musical style will ever be complete sometimes a simple approach is best and a minimal setup frees the creative mind from technical considerations; and sometimes a more complex array of tools is necessary to say what needs to be said. ----- Original Message ----- From: "space module" To: Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 7:58 PM Subject: Re: in support of conservatism > True, some gear fetishists produce little to no music, but on the other hand > if you have the technical ability and the imagination, having a "Better" > tool will expand your vistas of creativity. Also if you have invested many > hours learning how to use a device and are happy with the results you > create, why dump it for something new and better. I have rarely ever seen a > new piece of kit that has duplicated all of the feature set of previously > made gear. Something always get's left behind. I buy new gear from time to > time, but rarely replace anything. I still have to complete my Studio and > PA. > > sm > > 1st... > > > but i think [Repeater] will be an addition to my toolset. > > > rather than a replacement. > > > > > > Then... > >"...the buy, sell and trade approach (where a relatively capable person > >scores a great piece of gear or two, but somehow gets > > caught up in the never-ending cycle of what might be > >better. Consequently selling and trading their equipment all the time in > >hopes of one day attaining the > > "perfect" setup...these types , while often amassing a > >great deal of gear, never seem to produce a drop of music.) ..." > > > >--quoted from Sunshine Jones's "A Beginner's Guide to home Studio > >Recording" > > > >r.s. > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 21:34:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18414; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:34:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:34:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39C17C7E.BB2615AB@hoover-keith.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:33:50 -0500 From: "Ryan D. Supak" X-Sender: "Ryan D. Supak" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: in support of conservatism References: <39C1758A.72E520EA@hoover-keith.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com good points, all; i certainly don't espouse gear conservatism as a black/white issue, otherwise all anybody could use is their voices and whatever percussive sounds they could get by hitting themselves. r.s. n.p. "Soul Makossa" - Manu Dibango From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 22:20:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19269; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:20:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:20:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c01ebb$3e9a6f80$506202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: WAY OT: Warez - A Rebuttal Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 04:18:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <2vOCjC.A.RsE.EdYw5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -> >Frequently, actually. And from people who aren't in the software business. > >One of the most respected books on computer programming is Donald Knuth's >_The Art of Computer Programming_. > >You seem to imply that anything that has as one of its goals making money >can't be considered "true art". Michaelangelo did plenty of work for hire. >Are you saying that none of that could be considered "true art". > A couple of years ago I downloaded a book called The art of lockpicking (really, i'm not joking). Does this mean that lockpicking is an art? that burglaries should be copyrighted? etc... And yes, something with a financial goal in mind isn't art. somebody who's primary goal is to earn money with his "art" isn't an artist nor is his work art. It's not wrong if a piece of art gets well paid. The force behind the creation counts, IMO. so, computer hackers and freeware coders are artists. also those who first got the idea and then started with "marketing". greetings, gregor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 22:26:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19515; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:25:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:25:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000914221822.0068c464@total.net> X-Sender: chleduc@total.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:18:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Christian Leduc Subject: Re: in support of conservatism Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I agree with all your points. What I don't like with the gear cycle (I want these effects and these and these) is that when you've got a lot of things in the path of your tube amp (for guitar), you loose the quality of the tone and to reaching again this quality, you put compressor, noise gate and so on... I personnally prefer the simplest setup possible. Even if I have a couple of effects, my normal and preferred setting is Guitar-Amp-Delay. It's so simple, but I think I can do enough with it even if sometimes I use chorus, wah or these kinds of things. I know a guy who thinks the EQ on his amp is an unecessary tool and that it is too much sophisticated. I'm not such a purist. :) Only a question of judgment (What is really necessary in my setup?). One thing sure, EQ is.. :) But it is also true that we can do a lot more than we think with the volume and tone controls on the guitar. Best, Christian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 22:47:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20012; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:46:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:46:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018101c01ebf$2d767a60$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <3.0.32.20000914221822.0068c464@total.net> Subject: Re: in support of conservatism Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:46:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Leduc" To: Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 10:18 PM Subject: Re: in support of conservatism > I know a guy who thinks the EQ on his amp is an unecessary tool and that it > is too much sophisticated. I'm not such a purist. :) Only a question of > judgment (What is really necessary in my setup?). One thing sure, EQ is.. > :) But it is also true that we can do a lot more than we think with the > volume and tone controls on the guitar. Which reminds me, I recently plugged my guitar straight into the amp for the first time in years. I could still make most of the funny noises and weirdo sounds that I normally rely on my processing gear for. What a surprise to find that I still sounded like myself, without my Boss GT3, Zoom 9002, and EH Microsynth to help me! Incidentally, I am looking forward to acquiring either an EDP or Repeater by year-end. However, I'm glad that I've spent the past 5 years using the very limited 4-second sampler pedal that I've got; I think I'll appreciate my new toy and its capabilities that much more. A useful exercise for me recently has been listening to traditional Japanese shakuhachi music. A skilled player can get a positively astonishing variety of sounds out of this simple bamboo flute. It makes me feel sort of silly to think that I need lots of extra equipment to do the same thing. Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 22:47:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20046; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:47:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:47:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000914224012.00693358@total.net> X-Sender: chleduc@total.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:40:16 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Christian Leduc Subject: Re: Deltalab style infinite repeat? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I think it is a question of using the "infinite repeats" button and to turn the feedback knob at 100%. But I'm not sure I understand your point. What was the main difference on the 1024 unit? About the noise: I prefer a little more noise and more dynamic and, i don't know how to call it, let's say "LIFE". My older delay (Digitech) had 3,5 seconds of delay ability (which is close of the echotron), but it was too perfect and dead. I say older, but in a certain way, it was recent. The Echotron is older, but I bought it more recently. :) Peace... Christian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 23:22:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20917; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:21:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:21:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39C1364B.92D4419A@ncal.verio.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:34:21 +0000 From: Doug Michael Reply-To: dmic27@ncal.verio.com Organization: Angular Momentum CD's X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boomerang References: <3.0.6.32.20000914131446.00a782e0@mail.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, Where is the best place/price for a new Boomerang? Any leads? I'm ready to buy one...... Thanks, Doug Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 14 23:26:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21134; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:26:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:26:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.994e5c8.26f2f09b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:25:15 EDT Subject: loopslave in search of the GODBOX To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/14/00 7:41:25 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, hideomo@swbell.net writes: << it is a tripper for the $$ >> i must thank my rang for going away to go under the knife with DR.NELSON and letting me get to know my zoom 2100 better.......i dont see them in the music rags (mf etc) anymore....... does this mean they are now collectable......:)........i do believe that the GODBOX will be very borglike and not just a singleton.........michael p.s. please join morgan and the gang over at the CT-COLLECTIVE........2 new projects afoot and there was even talk of women hanging out there...........:)..............several CT-Projects are finishing up, there will be 5 new cds coming out soon, i cant wait!.............we will keep you posted...........till then, get your copy of "LD 1" an excellent listen................."after all, its about the music".............www.loopxchange.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 03:00:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23545; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 02:59:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 02:59:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:54:05 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Deltalab style infinite repeat? In-reply-to: <007a01c01e76$c79f6460$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <200009141737.KAA19809@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:08 AM -0700 9/14/00, Dennis W. Leas wrote: >I'm kinda ignorant on how the old Deltalabs operated. How's it different than >loopers like DL4, Headrush, Jamman, EDP, etc.? > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com There is a DeltaLab page on the LD site. There is a schematic there, and a few links that should help you find out more: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/deltalabs/deltalabs.html I'd like to have more there. If any DeltaLab users have a manual they could scan, or can send a photo or write a review, I would appreciate it! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 03:08:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23831; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 03:07:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 03:07:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200009150707.AAA24085@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: peaceland@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 00:09:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: James Musser Subject: Re: Repeater Info Online/The Year 2000 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000914161720.02c2bab0@mail.redmoon-music.com> References: <200009142041.NAA11380@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20000914152125.00f2f6c0@mail.redmoon-music.com> <200009142017.NAA15902@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >But, if a named company comes public with questions about a new idea, you >can bet that people figure that something is up, and they will take a bit >more notice. In fact, "they" may be another manufacturer listening in on >the ensuing conversation. And... They may take enough notice of the >conversation to start down a similar development path themselves. In fact, >they may BEAT the first company to market. Uh huh... and this, instead of keeping things at the MINIMUM would open the doors for CREATIVE COMPETITION, as well as business competition... In other words... they really would have to have a better box, because having the same thing wouldn't really be any better... this would force companies to actually seek out better ideas even MORE to compete. Besides... how many really "new" ideas are out there these days... wouldn't that be a poll... see why not pool the entire internet on a website and call it NEWIDEAS.COM and have the "end user Joe Shmoe" put up every friggin idea they can... so that the folks with the $$$ can look at it (since they're too busy watching the books to have good ideas), and freely pick and choose from the gargantuan list of KILLER IDEAS that the end users continually provide? Don't get me wrong, I understand competition and I understand manufacturing difficulties... that's why we have patents and copyrights, etc., to protect people with new ideas. I have an awesome new invention for guitarists, but I can't get anyone to manufacture it, and I can't afford to do it myself. I've had it for nearly 8 years, but can't find a way to get it to the public... it's not always easy, even though every person who sees this thing says "BANK, dude!" I guess all the companies can cry "lack of funds", just like me... but I think it's a little different when you actually have the ability to create something and don't, just to chince a little more profit out of the deal, than when you actually cannot pull together the means in the first place to get started. Peace, Love, & Music James Musser peaceland@earthlink.net Lessons at: http://home.earthlink.net/~peaceland/peaceland.htm Underwater Traffic: http://members.aol.com/utjam/ut.htm Top 100 Unsigned Bands in L.A. '99 - Music Connection Nominations: Best South Bay Band '97 - Rock City News Best Guitar '97 & Best L.A. Band '96 - LA Music Awards From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 03:28:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24084; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 03:28:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 03:28:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 00:11:16 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Deltalab style infinite repeat? In-reply-to: <0056910007222617000002L172*@MHS> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <_TdvX.A.n3F.A8cw5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>On or around 10:40 AM 9/14/00 -0700, James Musser said: >>>I'm looking for units that allow you to begin a feedback loop... get a nice >>>groove going... then hit the "infinite button" like on the old deltalabs, >>>and it just continues to play back whatever was in the loop at that time... >> >>Almost any of the 80s rackmount digitals will do just that, from the >>Digitech RDS series to the Boss DE-200 to some of the Ibanez units I've >>taken a gander at. At 11:06 AM -0700 9/14/00, kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com wrote: >Of course, you can do this with an EDP and a feedback pedal : > >Hit record and stop to set the loop lenth, then overdub with the feedback >set to less than infinite. When >you like the groove, you increase the feedback to infinite...done. > >Brother K The echoplex actually has a Delay mode that lets it operate like the old delays. Your delay line input is always open, so new material is always going in. The Feedback can be set anywhere you like, so it can decay away as you wish. Then, when you have something you like, you press "Hold" to keep it going. (the overdub button becomes the "hold" button in delay mode...) Just as with the old delays, when in "hold" the feedback becomes 100% and the input to the delay is closed to new material. This way you can effectively grab what's in the delay line and make it a loop. It is subtly different from operating in the standard "loop" mode with overdub and feedback control. A lot of people who used the old delays appreciate this feature a lot and always have the echoplex set to "delay" mode. The JamMan also has a delay mode, although it is not so easy to control the feedback setting. It seems a lot of people use that setting on the JamMan too. This is pretty much how looping was done through the 80's. Devices like the echoplex and jamman came from that mold, so it was natural to maintain that traditional feature. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 03:47:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24395; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 03:47:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 03:47:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [148.240.98.187] From: "Alejandro Martínez" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Suggestion to the LD mailing list Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 07:45:50 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Sep 2000 07:45:50.0163 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7992A30:01C01EE8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I subscribed myself to this list like a month ago and I´ve read some complaints about sometimes getting too much emails in their inboxes about this list and I also think that sometimes having to read through 60-70 emails everyday is kind of hard to do, I said "having" ´cause I find many of the posts very useful but I only have the chance to access my inbox once a day that´s why I found so many emails there, even using filters in my inbox it would be the same ´cause you can´t know if the content will be of interest just by reading the subjet line, my suggestion is this: I think it will be a good idea to make the posting through a Bulletin Board type of page inside the Looper´s Delight web site like the BBs that are on pages like Ampage http://www.ampage.org/ or Vintage guitar online http://www.vintage-guitar.com:8080/forums/ , I think it would be easier to just click on a topic´s name and have access to read all the responses to that particular topic instead of going through all the emails in the inbox, also in that way you eliminate the need of putting filters to emails that may have a point of interest: if you´re not interested on that particular subject you just don´t click on it anymore, also you eliminate the need of unsbscribing when out for some days or not liking the list anymore yet you still need to be subscribed to post anything, also people who aren´t subscribed can still read the posts and I think that would make the Lopper´s Delight web page to have more hits per day and that´s benefical ´cause more people would see the advertisings on the banners that now Kim is starting to include which I think is a good idea to make the site autosufficient. I know all of this could mean "ending this list" but I don´t think so, I think it would be of benefit for both the users and the site itself. Thanks. Alex. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 05:15:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA25500; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 05:14:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 05:14:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31FEF30F0EDBD3118CFA00A0C945FCBE8CADFA@DUB_STAT1> From: "Jonathan O'Riordan" To: "'Morgan Hamilton Lang'" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Join in projects w/the CT Collective Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:13:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I really like the sound of that. Is it a purist/minimalist approach? For instance, for OBJECTS, can you have the object in question as melody on which an actual, fully-fledged song is based. Or is it being true to the actual object, and using only variations of sound emitted by the objects themselves. The reason I ask is I too have made similar explorations, believe music to come form the most mundane of objects (and animals). IS this an open forum, or is it a private affair? I am very intersted... Jon > -----Original Message----- > From: Morgan Hamilton Lang [SMTP:mhl21@columbia.edu] > Sent: 11 April 1908 16:19 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Join in projects w/the CT Collective > > Hello there, Loopaires: > > I belong to a group, the CT Collective, that formed through LD a long > time ago in a galaxy far away. We make compilations of our loopesque > music by volunteering labor and collectively producing the work. > > I'm organizing 2 new theme-based projects that people might be > interested in. The first, OBJECT, goes like this: take an object not > ordinarily thought to posess any musical characteristics. Make music > with it by looping it, multitracking, adding effects, and so on. The > second, VIDEO GAME, goes like this: make a fun piece of music using only > video game or computer game noises in a new and exciting way. > > A few of our CD's are MP3'd our website at http://www.loopxchange.com , > in case you'd like to hear what we've been up to. We have a few other > projects that are nearing completion, so keep your ears tuned. > > If you think you might be interested in submitting something for either > of these projects, let me know soon. The deadline is only 1 month away. > > Thanks, > > Morgan Hamilton Lang > http://www.loopxchange.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 05:32:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA25776; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 05:31:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 05:31:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39C26630.75C944CC@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:10:56 -0700 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Babble References: <009301c01ea0$a9b6bd20$0100a8c0@we.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1hz_TC.A.JSG.yxew5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Om_Audio wrote: > > I am about to create a filter for any mail with the word "Repeater" in it- > 56 posts? No thanks- > > Cliff yes me too me too me oo ma to g Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 05:34:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA25910; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 05:33:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 05:33:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <30E955A829F8D311A447006097C83E7909C4E4@GOOFY> From: StephanN To: "'Christian Leduc'" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: AW: in support of conservatism Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:32:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com :) But it is also true that we can do a lot more than we think with the volume and tone controls on the guitar. Best, Christian and think about what you can do with your fingers, and the way you arrange chords. Man, amazing... ;-) stephan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 05:53:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA26248; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 05:52:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 05:52:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000915095219.14330.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 02:52:19 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Suggestion to the LD mailing list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alejandro- I've never used hotmail so I don't know if this would work for you, but... Set up a filter using "looper" as the keyword so that everything from LD goes to its own folder. Delete the contents of the folder as often as you like. Go to the LD archives to actually read the posts that interest you. You can sort them by date, thread, or author. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 07:23:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA26949; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 07:22:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 07:22:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39C2051D.42CDB448@acousdig.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:16:45 +0200 From: "H. Allan Vigre" Reply-To: allan@acousdig.com Organization: tralallan =?iso-8859-1?Q?BOM=99?= guitarservices X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: no,en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gibson Echoplex DP vs Orville References: <20000915095219.14330.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------9086C031A1EC223ED1B1AC5A" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9086C031A1EC223ED1B1AC5A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Loopers, I´ve just signed on to this mailing list. I see it´s a hot one. Would some of you who have worked with or tested both Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro and Eventide Orville please share with us you experience? Seen from a live-looping musician standpoint. I talked to a algorithm-programmer at Eventide who claimed that there is nothing Orville can´t do compared to the Echoplex. :-o allan --------------9086C031A1EC223ED1B1AC5A Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="allan.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for H. Allan Vigre Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="allan.vcf" begin:vcard n:Vigre;Allan tel;fax:+47 5155 9265 tel;work:+47 9064 5441 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.acousdig.com org:AcousDig Musicproduction DA;tralallan Bom Guitarservices adr:;;Leaveien 12;Sandnes;;4312;Norway version:2.1 email;internet:allan@acousdig.com x-mozilla-cpt:;3 fn:Allan Vigre end:vcard --------------9086C031A1EC223ED1B1AC5A-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 08:46:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27793; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:45:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:45:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.171.175] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Eventide4 S.Schreirer Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:43:37 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Sep 2000 12:43:37.0846 (UTC) FILETIME=[91913960:01C01F12] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: "Schreier, Steven (Steven)" >To: "'italoop@hotmail.com'" >Subject: Eventide >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:44:07 -0600 >Italo, >I own a DSP4000 and have used Vsig for a bit. Nothing as deep as you but I >do enjoy the unit--a fasicinating box of joy. >Have you had a chance to dive into the DSP7000 or heard any great things >about it?? >Steven >Hi Steven DSP7000 is basically one of the two Orville’s DSPs….exactly the same thing…same OS same everything. The two units are totally compatible, so users can swap programs. The only differences are that DSP7000 is not quadriphonic, so it has two ins and 2 outs; orville has 4! So 7000 users will not be allowed to use internel modules like QuadMixers. You can actually download Orville and DSP7000 manuals, which are almost identical, in PDF format at www.eventide.com, on the first page of the site at the bottom…it’s worth reading what kind of “bastards” are these two guys!!! One more difference: Orville has a sampler board with 173 seconds memory that can be used for sampling AND/OR delay time. The 7000 hasn’t such module but it can be installed as an options. Eventide will soon release a DSP7500 which is a 7000 plus the sampler board. The standard delay memory is 43 sec at 48KHz sampling rate. Now if you get the sampler you’ll have 43 + 173 seconds totally divisible into how many samplers and delay lines you like: for example you can build a program in which you put a mono delay/looper with 20 sec, a stereo one of 20 sec (20+20) a sampler with 60 seconds and even a reverse looper/shifter with 32 seconds PLUS add pre and post processing (Choruses/flangers/Shifters/Verbs etc…) and vol.pedals and mixers to organize the whole thing. Everything under total midi control…is that enough??? …and the sound, man!!! THE sound!!! I really think that one of these units linked to a Repeater will be the most incredible & rliable looping/sampling and audio mangling station in the universe. Just add a Peavey PC1600x or a Lexicon MRC to get full power midi remote controlling and you’ll be on a starship to planet Zargon, at 150 light years from Earth….fast and SAFE!!! Italo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 08:58:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA28155; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:57:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:57:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.171.175] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EVENTIDE users (Now & Future) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:56:48 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Sep 2000 12:56:48.0371 (UTC) FILETIME=[68C1C430:01C01F14] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello everybody...I read your posts...let's get into presets swapping...get VSIG editor for 4000/4500/7000/Orville on the factory site, update your Orville to V.2.620 on www.eventide.com/oupdate. They'll have a new software, new manual and some of my presets on next release in October 2000. Straight contact is italoop@hotmail.com bye everybody ITALO PS: Doesn't REPEATER thrill you all like me ??? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 10:40:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29808; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:37:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:37:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: EVENTIDE users (Now & Future) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 07:36:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, Italo, sorry. You don't thrill me like the Repeater thrills me. | -----Original Message----- | From: italo de angelis [mailto:italoop@hotmail.com] | Sent: Friday 15 September 2000 7:57 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: EVENTIDE users (Now & Future) | | bye everybody ITALO | PS: Doesn't REPEATER thrill you all like me ??? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 10:48:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29789; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:37:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:37:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:12:27 -0400 (EDT) From: noah X-Sender: fishmong@aint-got-nothin.mit.edu To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: *Repeater Group Buy Update* Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Remember, to join the Repeater Group Purchase program, send email to repeater@braincramp.org with your name. Okay. So far we have 7 people: Phil Erb Bob Campbell Stephen Nizyborski Tri Tran Neil Goldstein Javier Miranda Eric Zang and (cash willing) Me. The more people join this thing, (hopefully) the lower the price for everyone... Anyone have suggestions on a vendor we should hit up once the list gets big? Zzounds has always been good to me... Any suggestions, Damon? -><- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 11:01:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29686; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:34:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:34:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Suggestion to the LD mailing list Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 07:32:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9TQMLC.A.5OH.OMjw5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Your e-mail client, whatever it is, should have a feature to sort e-mail display in any folder by "conversation," or "thread," which is the "Subject" line in the e-mail. This should help you get really choosy about what to read. But it would work best if you filter out all LD e-mail to go to its own folder. You could select a whole conversation and delete it! But a very peculiar problem to LD subscribers is that they can't leave the Subject line enough alone. They're always adding little bits to it, combining Subjects, etc., and for a lot of threads, this kills the purpose of having a Subject to group e-mails. So it won't work some times. | -----Original Message----- | From: Alejandro Martínez [mailto:alexmartinez7@hotmail.com] | Sent: Friday 15 September 2000 12:46 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: Suggestion to the LD mailing list | | interest just by reading the subjet line, my suggestion is | this: I think it | will be a | good idea to make the posting through a Bulletin Board type of | page inside | the Looper´s Delight web site like the BBs that are on pages | like Ampage | http://www.ampage.org/ or Vintage guitar online | http://www.vintage-guitar.com:8080/forums/ , I think it would | be easier to | just click on a topic´s name and have access to read all the | responses to | that particular topic instead of going through all the emails | in the inbox, | also in that way you eliminate the need of putting filters to | emails that | may have a point of interest: if you´re not interested on that | particular | subject you just don´t click on it anymore, also you eliminate | the need of | unsbscribing when out for some days or not liking the list | anymore yet you From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 11:05:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30475; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:04:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:04:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:09:23 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: *Repeater Group Buy Update* To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <096c01c01f26$ee72c090$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Anyone have suggestions on a vendor we should hit up once the list gets > big? Zzounds has always been good to me... Any suggestions, Damon? jon at alto music said: >Hi-This is Jon from Alto Music.I'm the guy who has delivered several hundred >echoplexes to this group.I will see what I can do to arrange a group buy for >the Repeater.For anyone wondering I still have loads of Echoplexes on order >and plan on honoring all of my prior commitments as well as any new ones that >I can.Production on those should ramp back up sometime in the fall-Thats all >I know for now.Email-altomusic@altomusic.com >Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 11:08:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30618; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:06:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:06:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:05:40 -0700 Subject: Gear Dweebs From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i think the real problem with "gearism" is when >creativity is replaced with the process of acquisition >or when creativity is postponed while waiting to >"complete" a setup. I'm all in favor of people who buy every bit of new gear, even if they never make any music. They subsidize the rest of us. If musical equipment manufacturers were dependent only on sales to working musicians, the market would be much, much, much smaller. Travis Hartnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 11:14:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30997; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:13:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:13:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019101c01f26$d8a898c0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Eventide4 S.Schreirer Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:08:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I really think that one of these units linked to a Repeater will be the most > incredible & rliable looping/sampling and audio mangling station in the > universe. Just add a Peavey PC1600x or a Lexicon MRC to get full power midi > remote controlling and you’ll be on a starship to planet Zargon, at 150 > light years from Earth….fast and SAFE!!! I am REALLY big on the idea of integrating loopers. Low-cost, stompbox loopers certainly have their place, but I really like loopers that "play well with others". Jamdudes, EDPs, and (hopefully) the Repeater are ideal input devices. This is where low-latency is critical and the you want a looper-style user interface. When you get a loop (or loops) to your liking, you can transfer it to a Kyma, Orville, DSP7000, MAX/MSP, or CSound based system. Once there, you can spatialize, pitch-shift, mangle, save, etc. The number of loops is basically unlimited. If you like, you could transfer a loop back to the Jamdude, EDP, or Repeater for further manipulation. Once you get the loop out of the box, you can REALLY play with it. This is where MIDI controllers like the PC1600x or alternative one like I-Cube, etc. can be used. Add an ethernet card...maybe loop across the Internet...Italo would have a loop going, I'd have a loop going, Mathias would have a loop...I could grab part of Italo's loop and part of Mathias'...they could grab the result...Zargon here we come! It's Friday! I gots to dream big on Friday!! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 11:18:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31208; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:17:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:17:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Cody Davis" To: Subject: RE: Suggestion to the LD mailing list Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:16:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like your idea Alejandro and totally agree. Can this be done by the webmasters? -----Original Message----- From: Alejandro Martínez [mailto:alexmartinez7@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 2:46 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Suggestion to the LD mailing list Hi, I subscribed myself to this list like a month ago and I´ve read some complaints about sometimes getting too much emails in their inboxes about this list and I also think that sometimes having to read through 60-70 emails everyday is kind of hard to do, I said "having" ´cause I find many of the posts very useful but I only have the chance to access my inbox once a day that´s why I found so many emails there, even using filters in my inbox it would be the same ´cause you can´t know if the content will be of interest just by reading the subjet line, my suggestion is this: I think it will be a good idea to make the posting through a Bulletin Board type of page inside the Looper´s Delight web site like the BBs that are on pages like Ampage http://www.ampage.org/ or Vintage guitar online http://www.vintage-guitar.com:8080/forums/ , I think it would be easier to just click on a topic´s name and have access to read all the responses to that particular topic instead of going through all the emails in the inbox, also in that way you eliminate the need of putting filters to emails that may have a point of interest: if you´re not interested on that particular subject you just don´t click on it anymore, also you eliminate the need of unsbscribing when out for some days or not liking the list anymore yet you still need to be subscribed to post anything, also people who aren´t subscribed can still read the posts and I think that would make the Lopper´s Delight web page to have more hits per day and that´s benefical ´cause more people would see the advertisings on the banners that now Kim is starting to include which I think is a good idea to make the site autosufficient. I know all of this could mean "ending this list" but I don´t think so, I think it would be of benefit for both the users and the site itself. Thanks. Alex. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 11:24:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31440; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:21:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:21:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: *Repeater Group Buy Update* Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:22:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <096c01c01f26$ee72c090$080210ac@jpalmer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, we should get quotes from multiple vendors. I have contacts at Guitar Center, Sam Ash and West L.A. Music and can check at each once a number of units has been decided. Question is: how many do we need? Whoever's keeping the list can put me down for one... Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 8:09 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: *Repeater Group Buy Update* > > > > Anyone have suggestions on a vendor we should hit up once the list gets > > big? Zzounds has always been good to me... Any suggestions, Damon? > > jon at alto music said: > > >Hi-This is Jon from Alto Music.I'm the guy who has delivered several > hundred > >echoplexes to this group.I will see what I can do to arrange a group buy > for > >the Repeater.For anyone wondering I still have loads of > Echoplexes on order > >and plan on honoring all of my prior commitments as well as any new ones > that > >I can.Production on those should ramp back up sometime in the fall-Thats > all > >I know for now.Email-altomusic@altomusic.com > >Thanks > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 11:25:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31787; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:24:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:24:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200009150707.AAA24085@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <200009142041.NAA11380@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20000914152125.00f2f6c0@mail.redmoon-music.com> <200009142017.NAA15902@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <200009150707.AAA24085@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:11:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: godboxes and other inventions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >But, if a named company comes public with questions about a new idea, you >>can bet that people figure that something is up, and they will take a bit >>more notice. In fact, "they" may be another manufacturer listening in on >>the ensuing conversation. And... They may take enough notice of the >>conversation to start down a similar development path themselves. In fact, >>they may BEAT the first company to market. > >Uh huh... and this, instead of keeping things at the MINIMUM would open the >doors for CREATIVE COMPETITION, as well as business competition... > >I have an awesome new invention for guitarists, but I can't get anyone to >manufacture it, and I can't afford to do it myself. I've had it for nearly >8 years, but can't find a way to get it to the public... it's not always >easy, even though every person who sees this thing says "BANK, dude!" James, since opening up ideas and sharing them to everyone would, in your opinion, open up the doors for creative competition and make for better products... would you share what your awesome new invention for guitarists is? there are a number of folks here who have taken ideas from concept to completion (such as our host, mr. flint). maybe we can help in some fashion? you don't have a GODBOX up your sleeve, do you? best regards, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 11:47:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32317; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:45:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:45:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a701c01f2b$90193600$ba9493c3@CBra981419> From: "Colin Bradley" To: "Dual" Subject: Gig Alert reminder Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:42:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello sorry for the crossposts, just a last minute reminder for the upcoming Dual gigs... Colin Bradley Dual 2nd Gen (novamute-ed electronics) Dual (polyrhythmic percussive & textural glitched guitar ambience) OO (ultra minimal massed drones) Bajina (disjointed wireless emissions) with musical interludes from the likes of: Coil, Autocreation, Deutsch Nepal, Biosphere, Disjecta, NWW, Vladisvlav Delay, Seefeel, Oval, NON, Aphex Twin, Ether, Cyclobe, Thomas Koner, Whitehouse, TAGC, Faust, Residents, Raison d'être, Maeror Tri, Einsturzende Neubauten, Arovane, Vidna Obmana, Pan Sonic, Body Lovers & many more 8pm-2am Saturday 16th September The Red Rose Club 129 Seven Sisters Road Finsbury Park London N7 020 7281 3051 £5 on the door more info: info@dual.co.uk www.dual.co.uk Under The City - Launch Party Dual Giddyfish Recognized A night of A-Eye Digital Distribution artists plus special guest DJ's INSONIK Doors: (tbc) Thursday 21st September Bar 5 St. Ann's Square Manchester More info: http://www.underthecity.co.uk Email: mark@spoil.org --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.166 / Virus Database: 79 - Release Date: 20/06/00 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 11:53:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32527; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:52:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:52:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200009151551.IAA17633@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: peaceland@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:54:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: James Musser Subject: MusserRings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >would you share what your awesome new invention for guitarists is? > >there are a number of folks here who have taken ideas from concept to >completion (such as our host, mr. flint). maybe we can help in some >fashion? > >you don't have a GODBOX up your sleeve, do you? Sure, I filed for the patent... so I don't have a problem. That's why you do that. It's called the MusserRing. It fits between the 1st and 2nd knuckle of the fingers of the hand that do the fingering on the guitar... it is a flat ring for playing slide. It has a particular shape which allows you to turn it and adjust the sizing so that you can bend your finger, play slide and still have ALL your fingertips available for your favorite uther stuff... It is ridiculously simple... hard to believe the other slide manufacturers haven't solved this problem a long time ago. The problem is sizing. There's one guy who came up with something adjustable, but it does not have the shape of the Mussering, and therefore is not adjustable in terms of how the finger bends... also, his design is too thick and prevents the fingers from being close together up high on the neck. I noticed on the Dunlop website (who I showed these things to), they have a thing called a shy slide... which is very close to what is in the drawings on my patent filing... but so far have never seen one in a store. Anyways... I paid $50 each for mine... maybe folks would be happy to pay the price, but seems steep... problem again is getting the correct sizing for each persons hand. I use 4 of them, one on each finger, and you can do things you've never heard before with these things. Well, that's it. If anyone has any ideas, I would appreciate it. I will be on vacation until next Friday... enjoying the list... will return soon. Peace, Love, & Music James Musser peaceland@earthlink.net Lessons at: http://home.earthlink.net/~peaceland/peaceland.htm Underwater Traffic: http://members.aol.com/utjam/ut.htm Top 100 Unsigned Bands in L.A. '99 - Music Connection Nominations: Best South Bay Band '97 - Rock City News Best Guitar '97 & Best L.A. Band '96 - LA Music Awards From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 12:02:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00323; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:01:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:01:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000915103901.00fc3620@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:58:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater Info Online/The Year 2000 In-Reply-To: <200009150707.AAA24085@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000914161720.02c2bab0@mail.redmoon-music.com> <200009142041.NAA11380@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20000914152125.00f2f6c0@mail.redmoon-music.com> <200009142017.NAA15902@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9aJFXD.A.p_H.nekw5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com James Musser (02:09 AM 09.15.2000) wrote: >>But, if a named company comes public with questions about a new idea, you >>can bet that people figure that something is up, and they will take a bit >>more notice. In fact, "they" may be another manufacturer listening in on >>the ensuing conversation. And... They may take enough notice of the >>conversation to start down a similar development path themselves. In fact, >>they may BEAT the first company to market. > >Uh huh... and this, instead of keeping things at the MINIMUM would open the >doors for CREATIVE COMPETITION, as well as business competition... Right. Competition for the user base is a wonderful thing because, as you say, we as users will benefit from the companies battling it out over price/features/performance etc. But, the whole point of my soapbox was to try to show why companies do _not_ come public with their ideas. It's one thing for Company B to get wind of a new product coming out from Company A a couple of months before it ships; it's quite another thing for Company B to get wind while Company A is still in design stage. >In other words... they really would have to have a better box, because >having the same thing wouldn't really be any better... this would force >companies to actually seek out better ideas even MORE to compete. Yeup. >Besides... how many really "new" ideas are out there these days... wouldn't >that be a poll... see why not pool the entire internet on a website and >call it NEWIDEAS.COM and have the "end user Joe Shmoe" put up every friggin >idea they can... so that the folks with the $$$ can look at it (since >they're too busy watching the books to have good ideas), and freely pick >and choose from the gargantuan list of KILLER IDEAS that the end users >continually provide? It's a great idea, but you would need folks to understand up front that the ideas that hey are submitting are falling into the public domain and that they will NOT be paid for them. I think that once you point something like that out to folks, they may shy away from it. A small example of this type of things comes from my online patch database for a number of synths. I can't remember the last time that I had someone submit a patch to any of them. NO ONE wants to share their work/ideas for fear that someone else will come along and make money from it. >Don't get me wrong, I understand competition and I understand manufacturing >difficulties... that's why we have patents and copyrights, etc., to protect >people with new ideas. Right. But going back to addressing the public disclosure of an idea at an early stage, a copyright/patent/trademark will only protect that to a point. You can't get so general such that you stop the potential for competition in a class of product. If we come back around to the MIDI pedal question, I can't protect the idea of creating a MIDI pedal such that someone else couldn't come along and also build one. But, I can protect the firmware that's driving the pedal, unique things about how the pedal works, and specific design/feature points if they are new technology/algorithms/implementations. >I have an awesome new invention for guitarists, but I can't get anyone to >manufacture it, and I can't afford to do it myself. I've had it for nearly >8 years, but can't find a way to get it to the public... it's not always >easy, even though every person who sees this thing says "BANK, dude!" Yeups... This is where you need to hit up a trade show (NAMM probably - 'specially the Nashville show) and start talking to folks that have access to manufacturing facilities. Do you have a prototype or mock-up? We can talk more about this off-line if you'd like. >I guess all the companies can cry "lack of funds", just like me... but I >think it's a little different when you actually have the ability to create >something and don't, just to chince a little more profit out of the deal, >than when you actually cannot pull together the means in the first place to >get started. Yeup. There are also private investors/venture capital firms out and about that will sit down and listen to you. You need to get a business connection, and that's part of what can happen on the show floor at NAMM. I don't want to move from a soapbox to a NAMM commercial, but ... :) NAMM as an organization does welcome folks shopping ideas. A NAMM show isn't JUST about looking at all the new blinky lights, there are a ton of folks walking the floors looking for help getting ideas to market, just like you are. Just a thought... :) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 12:19:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00631; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:13:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:13:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:09:34 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Gear Dweebs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <09be01c01f2f$570abf60$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <9q98DB.A.cI.wnkw5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LOL that's right. we must keep the worker bees in line. maybe this isn't so off topic after all. |: find new gear. talk about gear. buy gear. :| multiply. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiktok" To: "Looper's Delight" Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 10:05 AM Subject: Gear Dweebs > >i think the real problem with "gearism" is when > >creativity is replaced with the process of acquisition > >or when creativity is postponed while waiting to > >"complete" a setup. > > > I'm all in favor of people who buy every bit of new gear, even if they never > make any music. They subsidize the rest of us. If musical equipment > manufacturers were dependent only on sales to working musicians, the market > would be much, much, much smaller. > > Travis Hartnett > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 13:07:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01746; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:04:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:04:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.76] From: "g716" To: , References: <3e.e487d1.26f2c3bb@aol.com> Subject: Re: Alto Music Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:03:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Sep 2000 17:03:11.0910 (UTC) FILETIME=[D46ECC60:01C01F36] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I might also add that Jon was extremely helpful in setting up our group buy of DL4s last December. Jon -- sign me up for a repeater! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 5:13 PM Subject: Alto Music > Hi-This is Jon from Alto Music.I'm the guy who has delivered several hundred > echoplexes to this group.I will see what I can do to arrange a group buy for > the Repeater.For anyone wondering I still have loads of Echoplexes on order > and plan on honoring all of my prior commitments as well as any new ones that > I can.Production on those should ramp back up sometime in the fall-Thats all > I know for now.Email-altomusic@altomusic.com > Thanks > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 13:18:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02032; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:12:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:12:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: My Offer To Our Group Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:11:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Michael and group, We now have a Forum on our website so we could hold forum discussions and a live Electrix one at a certain time and date. Go the Electrix site http://www.electrixpro.com click on "views" then "forum" and you're there. This could also relieve some of the Repeater "babble" from the rest of the group. I like the phone call as well so if you get the interest I'll se what I can do. Best Regards, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix / IVL "No Creative Barriers" Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael Clark [mailto:mcl451@airmail.net] >Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 6:24 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: My Offer To Our Group >Hi! >Yes numerous questions about the Repeater. >Everyone has been very kind in answering my looping/equipment questions - >here's a way I can return the favor. >Here's my offer: I have a bridge line that accommodates 30 people at one >time, i.e. 30 people can be on the call at once. It's like a large >conference call. No charge other than whatever you pay for LD. It's a 702 >area code. You call in at a pre-determined time and join 29 other people. >I will set up a call with Damon as the representative of the Repeater (if >he wants to - haven't contacted him) and as many as 28 list members who >have questions about the product. I'll moderate the discussion. The >discussion/questions will last 1 hour. >Let me know. This offer is exclusive to the loopers on this group. >Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 13:56:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02966; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:55:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:55:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39C2635C.3BB03197@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:02:10 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Eventide4 S.Schreirer References: <019101c01f26$d8a898c0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > ...Once you get the loop out of the box, you can REALLY play with it. This is > where MIDI controllers like the PC1600x or alternative one like I-Cube, etc. can > be used. > > Add an ethernet card...maybe loop across the Internet...Italo would have a loop > going, I'd have a loop going, Mathias would have a loop...I could grab part of > Italo's loop and part of Mathias'...they could grab the result...Zargon here we > come! dennis, you be out there today! head swim now...must rest. :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 14:17:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03720; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:16:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:16:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 00:50:56 -0400 (EDT) From: noah X-Sender: fishmong@aint-got-nothin.mit.edu To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater Vendor? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alllrighty then. We've got 13 people and counting on the repeater list, and the majority suggestion is going with Alto Music for the purchase. Could someone at Alto Music get in contact with me at noah@braincramp.org so we can work out details? Once again, mail repeater@braincramp.org to get on the list. So far: Phil Erb Bob Campbell Stephen Nizyborski Tri Tran Neil Goldstein Javier Miranda Eric Zang Jason Fink Travis Hartnett Ben Vance Jim Palmer Lee Barnes Jason Martin (possibly 2!) and, cash willing, me. woo! -><- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 14:28:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04154; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:27:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:27:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <05ec01c01e5f$ec5d7c90$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <03f401c01d99$a98f5a80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <39C03A6A.F0C42BBE@vtx.ch> <05ec01c01e5f$ec5d7c90$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:28:45 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Repeater and foot control Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias: > > When I say time accuracy, I relate to the delay you get on most >> switches between touching it and actually closing the contact. Those >> you have to press with some foot velocity which then again may >> disturb playing. >> The Oberheim one is better than many others, but PARADIS still had the >best... Jim: >does the paridis controller have those little plastic buttons? Paradis starts from italian plastic parts that apparently Roland uses for their foot switches, too. But the inside is modified with a disc kind of contact. >i have found the ones on the oberheim to be too finicky. >i modified a digitech fc300 (though i only get three functions this way) >and it seems a lot more positive. > >i am thinking of making my own full controller for the edp using the >same buttons as the fc300, but they are kind of expensive. sorry, I am not aware what the fc300 is... >i also considered making a bunch of individual footswitches, each with >one button, one resistor, and a parrallel out so they could be >daisy-chained. >this would allow me to (for example) put the record button under my heel >while playing congas. this could get out of hand, though with all the >buttons >and cables causing a big spagetti mess... this is very helpfull, I think! I have Overdub on my right big toe, two Paradis switches for Record and Multiply on the left foot and some smaller switches for the other functions that I use less and are not time critical. >then again, maybe i should just go with a midi controller? I plan to operate a PC1600 with the said keys, but time... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 14:29:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04147; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:27:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:27:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:28:45 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: loop clock for samplers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sop@n2mail.com said: > >I think it would be good if it could send MIDI messages for "synced >recording" so that you can instantly put exact loops onto a >sampler... >(way more practical than MIDI dump..) (so start of loop cycle can >trigger record start on the sampler , and end of loop cycle can >trigger record stop on the sampler (or phrase recorder) ..) >Can this already be done with the Echoplex very easily ? (or could >it with a software upgrade?) >(or is there a way to do this with anything like from the start and >end cycle of a drum machine.. ?) > thats a nice point Since Version 2 we had a MIDI signal going out at the start of every cycle. To transfer, you would need one each loop. We had planned to include that to the upgrade for other use... would that resolve your problem? Can your sampler understand a simple MIDI note beeing played each time the loop starts as start AND stop? I also thought this note could be helpfull to trigger samples... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 14:30:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04218; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:28:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:28:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0056910007222617000002L172*@MHS> References: <0056910007222617000002L172*@MHS> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:28:45 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Deltalab style infinite repeat? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Of course, you can do this with an EDP and a feedback pedal : > >Hit record and stop to set the loop lenth, then overdub with the >feedback set to less than infinite. When >you like the groove, you increase the feedback to infinite...done. there is actually a specific function for this (no need for FB pedal): Terminate Record with Insert and you get "Rehearse": All you play gets repeated once. As soon as you like it, press either Insert again too freeze what you last played) or Overdubb (to go on overdubbing). > > >peaceland@earthlink.net on 09/14/2000 10:59:00 AM >Please respond to Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP >cc: >Subject: Re: Deltalab style infinite repeat? >Classification: > >At 11:38 AM 9/14/00 -0600, you wrote: >>On or around 10:40 AM 9/14/00 -0700, James Musser said: >>>I'm looking for units that allow you to begin a feedback loop... get a nice >>>groove going... then hit the "infinite button" like on the old deltalabs, >>>and it just continues to play back whatever was in the loop at that time... >> >>Almost any of the 80s rackmount digitals will do just that, from the >>Digitech RDS series to the Boss DE-200 to some of the Ibanez units I've >>taken a gander at. > >What about the TC2290? > >BTW, what do vintage Deltalab units go for these days? I have a 1024 and a >4096. > >Peace >jam ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 14:45:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04950; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:43:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:43:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:59:34 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Eventide4 S.Schreirer In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi Italo- At 7:43 AM -0700 9/15/00, italo de angelis wrote: > One more difference: Orville has a sampler board with 173 seconds >memory that can be used for sampling AND/OR delay time. I understood from eventide that it can only do sampling OR delay/looping. You can't use both functions at once for the same chunk of audio. So things you create using the looper interface you can't start triggering as with a sampler. >I really think that one of these units linked to a Repeater will be the most >incredible & rliable looping/sampling and audio mangling station in the >universe. hey, you keep telling us you can do everything with Orville! Why would you need to add a repeater? Can't Orville do all that by itself? :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 14:58:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05389; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:57:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:57:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ff01c01f47$40a8b070$63b4f9d0@mecasw.com> From: "Ken M" To: References: Subject: Re: Eventide4 S.Schreirer Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:00:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > At 7:43 AM -0700 9/15/00, italo de angelis wrote: > > One more difference: Orville has a sampler board with 173 seconds > >memory that can be used for sampling AND/OR delay time. > > I understood from eventide that it can only do sampling OR delay/looping. > You can't use both functions at once for the same chunk of audio. So things > you create using the looper interface you can't start triggering as with a > sampler. > Ok.. I re-read your post.. I thought you were saying it couldn't delay AND loop at the same time, but you were referring to sampling and looping which may be true since they are completely different kinds of memory access... I would still be surprised, but much less so. Ken From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 15:03:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05289; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:55:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:55:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00fb01c01f47$115005d0$63b4f9d0@mecasw.com> From: "Ken M" To: References: Subject: Re: Eventide4 S.Schreirer Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:59:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I understood from eventide that it can only do sampling OR delay/looping. > You can't use both functions at once for the same chunk of audio. So things > you create using the looper interface you can't start triggering as with a > sampler. This has to be untrue.. Even the old H3000 series could use loop memory for delay memory at will. I would find it incredible that they decided to do this in the current model. Perhaps the loop memory is seperate from the internal "delay" memory, which is about 13 seconds on a DSP4000 model, but I'm under the impression this isn't the case. Eventide has always tried to ensure the maximum flexibility for audio processing... Just my $.02, without calling Eventide for answers. Ken From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 15:55:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06527; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:52:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:52:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:55:11 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater and foot control To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0a1c01c01f4e$dbd344a0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <03f401c01d99$a98f5a80$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <39C03A6A.F0C42BBE@vtx.ch> <05ec01c01e5f$ec5d7c90$080210ac@jpalmer> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >i have found the ones on the oberheim to be too finicky. > >i modified a digitech fc300 (though i only get three functions this way) > >and it seems a lot more positive. > > > >i am thinking of making my own full controller for the edp using the > >same buttons as the fc300, but they are kind of expensive. > > sorry, I am not aware what the fc300 is... sorry, i looked at it again and it is an fs300. it came with a digitech dsp128 i bought in the eighties. it is a small footswitch with three of the tall metal buttons like bob bradshaw used to use. they do seem a little too tall, but the tactile feedback is very positive. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 16:06:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06910; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:06:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:06:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Kim Flint To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Eventide4 S.Schreirer Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:05:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>I understood from eventide that it can only do sampling OR delay/looping. >>You can't use both functions at once for the same chunk of audio. So things >>you create using the looper interface you can't start triggering as with a >>sampler. > >This has to be untrue.. Even the old H3000 series could use loop memory for > delay memory at will. I would find it incredible that they decided to do > this in the current model. Perhaps the loop memory is seperate from the > internal "delay" memory, which is about 13 seconds on a DSP4000 model, but > I'm under the impression this isn't the case. Eventide has always tried to > ensure the maximum flexibility for audio processing... > > Just my $.02, without calling Eventide for answers. hmmm??? read what I said again, I think you missed the point. With the sampler module, you can configure it as a "Sampler" or as a "delay/looper". But it can't do both things at once on the same bit of audio. So you miss all sorts of interesting applications combining the two approaches. For example, using the looping mode of the sampler module to create a variety of interesting looping grooves on the fly which you then edit and trigger from a sequencer with the sampler mode functions of the module. even Scott pointed this out as an architectural limit they have that he wished they could change. kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 16:11:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07120; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:10:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:10:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013201c01f51$9798f610$63b4f9d0@mecasw.com> From: "Ken M" To: References: Subject: Re: Eventide4 S.Schreirer Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:14:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Somehow my second post ended up coming through first.. I retracted what I said but the retraction is before the initial message which is what you replied to ;) Ken > > hmmm??? read what I said again, I think you missed the point. With the > sampler module, you can configure it as a "Sampler" or as a "delay/looper". > But it can't do both things at once on the same bit of audio. So you miss > all sorts of interesting applications combining the two approaches. For > example, using the looping mode of the sampler module to create a variety of > interesting looping grooves on the fly which you then edit and trigger from > a sequencer with the sampler mode functions of the module. > > even Scott pointed this out as an architectural limit they have that he > wished they could change. > > kim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 16:40:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08214; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:39:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:39:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <024401c01f54$7559d7b0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <200009141737.KAA19809@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Deltalab style infinite repeat? Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:35:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > There is a DeltaLab page on the LD site. There is a schematic there, and a > few links that should help you find out more: Thanks, Kim! If I'm reading that schematic right, it looks like the "soft" feedback is a first order RC low-pass filter set at about 1600 Hz? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 18:47:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10510; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 18:46:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 18:46:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater and foot control feedback Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:45:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey loopers, Trying to stay true to some of the comments around here I would like to request some feedback on a MIDI foot controller for Repeater. I posted a very quick concept sketch on our site. Just on click http://www.electrixpro.com/topsecret/remi.gif to view it. Please leave any feedback in our Electrix forum to avoid annoying everyone here. Just go to our site http://www.electrixpro.com and click on "views" and then "forum". Just leave your comments in "loop based recording" Best Regards, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix / IVL "No Creative Barriers" Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 22:11:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13020; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:10:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:10:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000915220313.00690150@total.net> X-Sender: chleduc@total.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:03:18 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Christian Leduc Subject: Re: Deltalab style infinite repeat? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, About the Echotron 4096, I will try to take a picture of it and find a good scanner out there... I can also write a review about it when I'll have 2 minutes. I've put one on Harmony Central, so maybe you can put a link. Best, Christian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 15 23:22:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13885; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:19:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:19:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39C2E7E1.F8DD1A03@mcleodusa.net> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:24:17 -0500 From: Jon Southwood X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: Mixer Questions References: <000701c01c91$8f48ea50$0301a8c0@SATAN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rainer Straschill wrote: > > Jon, > > Coming back to your Vortex question: I still don't understand what you're > trying to accomplish. Did I get it right that you want to route your entire > mix (or most of it) into the vortex, then feed the vortex back into the > mixer and send the mix plus vortex to the PA or tape? If you want to send > everything through the vortex, then why don't you use the main inserts? > Let's say I've got synth, vg-8 guitar, bass, drum machine, headrush, and edp ('cause I do). Then let's say that I want a mix of only the loopers going through the vortex while the rest goes through to the amp...or only drum machine (un looped) and bass (un looped)...or some other combination that is not the full mix. Since, the Vortex prefers to be used as an insert rather than in an fx-loop, I wanted to have a sub-mix with an insert. This is what I love about this group: people on this list will actually take time out from off-topic discussions to answer questions of a marginally-on-topic nature. BTW, speaking of the vortex, mine just started to act up. Last night I started noticing that the levels would drop and return intermittently. After some investigation, I discovered that if I lightly tapped the side of the Input pot, I could force it to happen (with a slight crackle) and if I turned the Input pot I would get a lot of crackle and the levels vary a lot. Is this a problem that requires significant work or can any idiot with a can of compressed air and some wd-40 (that'd be me) fix it? Cheers, Jon Southwood From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 16 02:39:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15514; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 02:39:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 02:39:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: mhamburg@mailsj-v1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000801c01ebb$3e9a6f80$506202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:40:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: WAY OT: Warez - A Rebuttal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:18 PM -0700 9/14/00, Gregor Zavcer wrote: >And yes, something with a financial goal in mind isn't art. somebody who's >primary goal is to earn money with his "art" isn't an artist nor is his work >art. It's not wrong if a piece of art gets well paid. The force behind the >creation counts, IMO. so, computer hackers and freeware coders are artists. >also those who first got the idea and then started with "marketing". But Michaelangelo, Frank Lloyd Wright, and William Shakespeare were not artists. Or so your statement indicates. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 16 04:12:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA16375; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 04:11:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 04:11:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007b01c01fb5$9ac1aee0$8883abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: References: Subject: R: Eventide4 S.Schreirer Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 10:06:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 4000 w/o sampler card you can configure a delay line and a loop/delay line in parallel, with switches to open one or other's inputs or outputs; control each one volume through cc.... You can not start/stop the loop or have undo functions on it. That is the limit. Don't know with Orville and 7000. Luca From: Kim Flint With the > sampler module, you can configure it as a "Sampler" or as a "delay/looper". > But it can't do both things at once on the same bit of audio. So you miss > all sorts of interesting applications combining the two approaches. For > example, using the looping mode of the sampler module to create a variety of > interesting looping grooves on the fly which you then edit and trigger from > a sequencer with the sampler mode functions of the module. > > even Scott pointed this out as an architectural limit they have that he > wished they could change. > > kim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 16 08:56:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17787; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 08:55:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 08:55:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.172.126] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Eventide4 KIM Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 14:53:10 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2000 12:53:10.0713 (UTC) FILETIME=[116F8A90:01C01FDD] Resent-Message-ID: <-txzvB.A.xUE.N12w5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: Kim Flint >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" > >Subject: RE: Eventide4 S.Schreirer >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:05:03 -0700 > >>I understood from eventide that it can only do sampling OR >delay/looping. > >>You can't use both functions at once for the same chunk of audio. >kim >Ok KIM let me try to show you and all LD people how an Eventide >4000/7000/Orville works: when you start making a program from scratch, via the on board patch editor and display or with the much better, faster and more comfy VSIG on a windows PC, you see ONLY input and outputs modules ; they have 2 ins/2outs on 4000/7000s and 4ins/4outs on Orville. Then you can start importing modules from the huge and costantly growing library. This is divided in 3 different categories, AUDIO – CONTROL – MATH. AUDIO : this has the following libraries, Delay modules, Dynamic Modules, Filter Modules, Mixer Modules, Pitchshift Modules, Oscillator modules, Detector Modules and Reverb Modules. Here you find things likeall pass filters, modulation delays, micro delays, reverse delays, samplers, multi tap ddl, pitch shifters, diatonic ones, parametric eqs, harmonics extractors, phasers, mono & stereo mixers with up to 100 channels, FIR filters, different quality verbs, white noise generators and oscillators to build any kind of sinth and post production noise like storms, airplanes, ambients and you name it… detectors that can understand the input notes as pitches (note, frequency, period) and its level, useful for incredible dynamic control of events, like starting a looped sample only when you hit a C5 and read it backwards when you play F#3 on you gtr or via midi, if you want, or read it at different speeds that go from 1% to 400%, 100% being the original speed, or transpose the sample without affecting the pitch and way much more. CONTROL: here you get these libraries, Bridge Modules, Control Process Modules, External Modules, Interface Modules, Miscellaneous Mod. These boxes , perform many different tasks, they can convert audio into control signals or vice versa, changing their sample rates, perform switching, selecting and manipulation of control signals, insert external controllers like pedals footswitches , midi controllers, midi clock, midi note number etc, they can also totally customize the user interface…the way the unit and the display look and feel; so users can build screens with different ways of displaying parameters, like numeric knobs, text knobs, analog style vertical or horizontal faders, knobs, vu meters, numeric and text monitors , menupages in which put parameters, graphics on which user can make wavw shapes of audio signals generators, control behaviours and tons of other things.Add spectrum analyzers, Oscilloscopes even sequencers of of control or modulation signals…check this thing about sequencer : while recording a cd at the Rhythmic Music conservatory in Copenhagen , last May…the project was the use of advanced signal processing techniques on music, both acoustic & electric. We had this beautiful singer, Astrid, that played a nice chord progression on the piano…I heard it and said that it would have been even nicer if we had a choir singing the chords…so I built this preset in my Orville: mono input>digital mic preamp>4band param.eq>sampler>4 voice shifter>hi quality verb (better than a Lexi pcm90)> stereo mixer to have verb in parallel. Then put an external switch and 4 sequencers with a table of 56 steps each: every step was an interval for each shifter, and the overall number depended on how many chords were in the progression. So astrid sang a root tone, sampled it and started improvising on top of HER choir, changing the chords at will, just by pushing a footswitch, with eq, verb and levels all under control…real time…and I have to tell you…the tune came out simply MERAVIGLIOSO!!! And all this happened in just one of the two Orville processors. Sorry if I’m getting lenghty but wonders deserve words when you have nothing better to describe them…back on track. MATH : libraries include Control Math Mod., Math Mod, things that perform mathematics on audio, control and modulation signals, the 3 kind of signals users can work on into Eventides. Here you have functions like logical Or, logical AND, log. TRUE/FALSE, sontol sine/cosine, freq>pitch converters and viceversa, linear to dB converters and vicv, audio gain multiply, bit quantizers, log functions, amplitude modulators and other dozens of usefuand often rarely user controllable functions in any other unit on the market. Now if you know how to do it( 1000 presets are a great school to learn it!) you can put together boxes out of the 220 resident in the libraries, connect them, customize your interface, set up almost unlimited external control, working on modulation, control and audio signals like nowhere else…I’m sure you’ll agree, Kim. Now LET’S GET TO LOOPING AND SAMPLING: 4000s have only 10,5 seconds of delay memory, 7000 has 43sec, Orville has 43sec in dspA, 43 in dspB AND a sampler board with 173 sec at 48KHz/24 bit. The same sampler board can be added to 4000 (like a 4500) and to 7000 (…the upcoming 7500). When you ad this option you get a few new modules in the library, Sampler module and Long delay module, which is a delay line that ONLY uses the sampler memory, so it can go up to 173 sec. Now, when you make a program you can put many modules of the same kind into it; for example you can put 6 Longdelay modules into the same program, each addressing 25 seconds od memory. What follows is the memory that delay and sampler modules can address that is freely selectable by users: MODULE 4000 units 7000/Orville Delay…………………………………..1ms>660ms…………………....1ms>32500ms Microdelay…………………………….0ms>660ms…………………….0ms>1360ms Moddelay………………………………0ms>660ms……………………...0ms>10920ms Reversedelay…………………7000/orville ONLY……..5ms>32500ms Reverseshifter……………………1ms>660ms……………………1ms>32500ms Delaysampler…………………………7500/orville ONLY………………5000ms>325000ms This module uses delay Memory, not sampler board memory. Sampler………………………1000ms>173000ms***..……….1000.ms>173000ms ***: 4000s have 2 different optional sampler boards. One has max delay of 87 sec, the top other has 173 sec. By the way, Orville and 7000 manuals and Vsig editor are downloadable at www.eventide.com, for those who want to get deeper and fuller knowledge of this all. When you program you can choose how much delay memory you have in each of these modules, up to the max allowance of the table and/or how much memory others modules have already allocated. Reverbs, pitchshifters and some eqs need some of this memory, very little. You can strip 2 or more modules of the same (or different) kind to get more audio memory: in the standard 4000 you’d have to put a 2 ch mixer in front of a line of 10 delays modules, take the output of the last one back to input 2 of the mixer to have a feedback line, all just to have a simple 6600 ms delay line, with infinite repeat (=100%) feedback, controlling input with an ext.pedal…cumbersome!!! this shows how mandatory is the sampler board to loop audio on 4000s. 7000s and Orville can address memory in the delay/sampling modules.So you can bulid programs with different mix and flavours of delayloopers and sampleloopers at the same time, with pre and post processing that can be dedicated to different lines or common. I wish Eventide would add saving audio to external medias like a Zip, a flash card or whatever the computer industry is making good and cheap today. The looping features DO NOT have undo, copy, multiply and other features of the Echoplex, even though Scott Gilfix has done nice programs in which you can undo and double loop length by using buffer delays. YES Kim, you cannot do looping and sampling on the same audio chunk, meaning that a sampler module does sampling,editing and looping of the sample and a delay module does delay style looping…BUT you can put both in the same program and get both flavors of power…does it hurt anybody? Like it? Looping in the Eventides is more delay based style, without access to the datas in the memory, as you ,Kim, correctly pointed out; but still extremely powerful. The sampler allows time stretch/expansion without pitch change and pitchshift without time alterations, all in real time; samples can be edited with start and end points, reversed and looped and their parameters modulated by anything…imagine a 10 sec.looped sample of an E string, down a 5th, read at 50% speed with its pitch and readingspeed modulated by pedals, midi controllers, a midi sequencer, a drum machine beat or even the pitches or dynamics of a guitar player’s touch? Where else and of such a quality in a dedicated hardware processor? I personally did programs with delay loopers and samplers mixed together (into the same program), with different memory amounts and dedicated pre/post processing…things that before were costing like 3 Orvilles at least; think of how many delay, looping, sampling and processing units you did need to do a program like these, not counting mixers and cables and weight to carry around, different manuals to read and so on… Now you can do it all at a MUCH lower price, better audio quality (24bit/96Khz: the max delay/ looping/sampling times cut in half when you use sampling rates higher than 48KHz!!!), save your audio artwork on cd or pc for further use, program the unit on a confortable pc with its free VSIG editor, control the unit with any kind/any style of remote box, including their new EveNet remote. Plus the factory still produces H3000s, from almost 15 years!!! Nobody does that in the digital market. This means update softwares coming out in the years = units that grow with you. As a former H300D/SX and DSP4000 user I would swer by this, considering how bigger and more powerful a 7000 or the monster Orville is; but still they make 4000s and new software for them, like the Ultrashifter algorithm derived from Orville that is a “must hear” real time formant resynthesis tool…no more Mickey Mouse crap out of your instruments, or you can still do that if you want. With such a care I wouldn’t be surprised if in some time these units will have new softwares that will allow dedicated looping features like an Echoplex, Jamman or Repeater, including those 2 millions other features that nothing else has. Kim I said that an Orville and a Repeater , if hopefully the second will definitely do what they say on paper, make up the best looping/sampling/processing and audio mangling hardware workstation in the universe and I swear by this, because: 1) saving audio on cards or recording it on a digital standard media via s/pdif and AES/EBU should be mandatory in year 2000. 2) trust a reliable software and hardware should be easy in year 2000, when you’re on stage, improvising and looping in front of people that pay tickets to be there ….I’m a musician that does live and studio work, being the first very inner resources demanding, especially when you use these toys. 3) see a product come to life and growing with updates that implement new and exciting functions, killing old bugs and keeping the box up to the users’ demands , dropping prices even if this means totally changing the unit from almost scratch… All this and more I don’t see from Gibson!!! And believe me, I have nothing personal with you! I think you did a wonderful job with Eds and still doing it, including keeping this awesome place open on the Net. You are an invaluable human and tech resource to any interested human looper cat, but you have to agrre that in 10 years companies have been doing incredible boxes and cheaper than before…isn’t it time to update old boxes a bit? What about a super ED with some more features? I know it’s hard to have companies listening to you and us but still the question remains. Last November i’ve been again in Denmark for a factory tour at TC Electronic, you know them for sure! When I asked them about having more delay memory in a G-Force or a Fireworx to do looping, you know what was their dumb answer? “We don’t see why people would need that! We still make the outstanding TC2290 that can go up to 64 sec!”…yes…blah blah blah for almost the price tag of an Orville you get a miserable mono delay line with impossible to find memory to reach max power!!! We already know this crap. Right? Don’t misunderstand me…I’m honest…when I write a product rewievs on “AXE”, here in Italy, I will say that a product sucks just because it sucks, man! And I payed for all my equipment!!! No sponsors, no endorsements no fucking help!!! Damon, you’d better to put out something good…we’re all waiting for it and sure we know what we need for the money we pay!!! Sorry to have been this long and probably boring but maybe this could be useful to somebody… My best regards to Kim (no fight, sorry for my old posting) and to everybody here on Loopers Delight….ITALO _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 16 12:01:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19041; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 11:59:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 11:59:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c01ff6$fd2eea20$830d78d8@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: Learning To Use Your New Box Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 08:58:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loop People! Just finished Italo's paen to Orville, and some thoughts are starting to form. I have struggled with integrating technology into my live performances for quite a while, and I can appreciate what he says about unreliable stuff--let's face it, it only has to fail once in front of an audience to be untrustworthy. I think that there is a way to go on from equipment failure, however, altho it pays to have redundant systems in place for just such an occasion. The complexity which is part of having tremendous control can make being graceful under fire much more difficult. It's nice to have an interface that you don't have to think too much about since the brain get confused. It's all about control. Perhaps we can agree that great music can be achieved with outdated tools if the vision is intact and the control is in place. I believe that my performance past is littered with huge amounts of time programming and learning to use tools which were subsequently discarded in favor of the latest technology. So what's my point? Before you buy that new box, make sure of what your needs are and that the requirements of the new item won't distract you from your ultimate goal of getting chicks (uh, I mean expressing yourself). I just wonder if the Orville is easier to program than it sounds. I also wonder about Kyma. The Echoplex may have hidden functions of which I am not aware yet, but its appearance is very straightforward and it took very little time to get comfortable with the interface. Perhaps my point is that I am waiting for the arrival of a doubleneck Starr Labs controller ( http://www.starrlabs.com/specials.html ) with which to control the EDP. Has anyone had any success triggering and controlling loops from such an instrument? And I am curious--Italo, any recordings of you and the Orville available online? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 16 12:44:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19617; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 12:43:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 12:43:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.168.80] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Learning To Use Your New Box Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 18:42:20 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2000 16:42:20.0412 (UTC) FILETIME=[14E51BC0:01C01FFD] Resent-Message-ID: <5wxzIB.A.CyE.CM6w5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: "Gary Lehmann" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Learning To Use Your New Box >Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 08:58:41 -0700 > >And I am curious--Italo, any recordings of you and the Orville available >online? >Gary > Hello Gary, I'm sorry but the cds are only self-distributed (...by me...) so guess what? nice considerations in your posting...ciao italo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 16 12:54:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19885; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 12:53:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 12:53:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000901c01ff6$fd2eea20$830d78d8@gary> References: <000901c01ff6$fd2eea20$830d78d8@gary> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 01:52:39 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: loopin' web radio idea Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers, Today I did trial run my real audio based virtual radio station broadcast. http://www.cavestudio.com/live_from_far_east/radio_cave/ or some details of my webcast: http://www.cavestudio.com/live_from_far_east/ I have a idea, 24hours (1day running.) streaming for 1 artist from my server. for example, every Sunday playing music for 24 hours,total 4 artists per months. It playing by CD or CDR repeat play. it will loopin' about 12times.. I would like to offer for public subscription, any suggestions? someone have good idea for this project? Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 16 13:10:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20302; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 13:09:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 13:09:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:11:14 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Gear Dweebs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6qFIiD.A.G8E.Rk6w5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >i think the real problem with "gearism" is when >>creativity is replaced with the process of acquisition >>or when creativity is postponed while waiting to >>"complete" a setup. > > >I'm all in favor of people who buy every bit of new gear, even if they never >make any music. They subsidize the rest of us. If musical equipment >manufacturers were dependent only on sales to working musicians, the market >would be much, much, much smaller. > >Travis Hartnett True. But there is another side: Through popularization, tools that do not really serve for a working musician may override serious products on the market. Suddenly shops are full of guitars out of overpainted irregular woods and sell and more expensive instruments have no space and serious enterprises die. Maybe more even so on the synth market where cheap instruments with bad sounding converters killed enterprises like Fairlight, Sequencial Cirquits and Oberheim (the original one). MIDI is another example: Sequencial Cirquits defined the connector to be either a XLR or the DIN we have now. Working musicians probably would love to pay a few bucks more for a solid XLR, but it did not make it. It does not really help me that there are guitars for under 300 US$. I use the same one guitar for 12 years and can use it another long time, and since its fundamental to me I dont mind so much how much it costs. I spend much more in car and rent anyway. The same goes for a Lexicon Reverb ;-) I may be totally wrong. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 16 13:10:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20313; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 13:09:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 13:09:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008d01c01e7b$e9cdc040$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <004001c0186b$c7926000$0101a8c0@pavilion> <000101c0189b$144f1b20$ac936fd4@y5w2s5> <00c101c018d9$fcd3e950$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <008d01c01e7b$e9cdc040$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:11:31 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Xfade vs. zeroX / HW vs SW (was: dream box) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >>I think both Kyma and MAX/MSP provide solutions. This is cool! > >>[Sometimes I feel that, if I'm into this "looper religion" thing, >then Kyma is like my denomination. :) That makes the MAX/MSP folks >(and Orville users, etc.) like a different denomination; same >religion, they just use different words to mean about the same >thing!] > >>please let me be member of such denomination! > >I always thought you were one of the founders! One of the "fathers of the >revolution"!!! Viva la Loop!!!!!! :) hmm, I hope it will not turn into revolution, but a peacefull evolution. :-) I contributed with the currage to launch the first dedicated loop unit. But looping has a much longer story. So as I undertood your picture, I am the father of the EDP denomination. And I feel that this dificults my participation / contribution in the others, just like in real religions: If you are strong in one tribe the members of the others keep distance. The SW looper specialists may fear that I grab all ideas while in fact the oposit is happening lately! > >Doesnt the audibility depend on the sound material? >>Roughly: For percussive sound, the zero crossing is great but for sustained > >sound, cross fade is necessary, otherwhise you hear a new attack which can > >be about as annoying as a click. > >In a future HW solution such fades will be available and probably >controllable. >>The sound material could be analyzed to define characteristic. > >Interesting... >Yes, I think the audibility depends on the sound material, but I >would say just >the opposite! I.e., I'd use zeroX for sustained sounds. Here's my >experience: >I wrote a zero-crossing adjuster for Kyma recently. To test it, I created a >short loop by humming a continuous tone into the mic and punching >in/out. Sure >enough, I heard a click at the loop point. After being >zero-adjusted, the click >completely disappeared. But perhaps with other sounds, the zeroX would leave >artifacts. shure, the click goes away, but couldnt you hear some bump, like as if an new such hum tone would start? I had that a lot when editing sound files on the Mac. The only way to get rid of it is a slow Xfade. The savest place to cut is an attack. I started cutting tape: Roll backwards and forewards until you locate the beginning of a note and cut there. Shure, the diagonal tape splice also corresponds to a cross fade... So instead of searching for a zero-crossing, you may search for an attack. Usually the musician starts a loop with a new note :-) Cutting at the last zero cross before the attack, you probably dont have to care about the end point, because the click will be overrolled by the attack, right? If there is no attack, we need a Xfade, and it can be a long one. >My zero-crossing adjuster alters the loop length, even if by only a >tiny amount. >It advances the start point and retreats the end point until a zero-crossing >splice is achieved (with the same signal slope on each side). The nice thing >about Xfade is that the loop length can remain EXACTLY the same. In thinking >about Alex's original question some more, I think maybe a cross-fade for the >sub-loop to eliminate clicks but trim the new material with a zero-crossing >adjustment. In the worst case, you have to go back almost a phase of say a 33Hz note, which is 30ms. If it happens on both ends, its 60... couldnt you correct backwards on both ends, so you can do it in real time and the error would subtract instead of adding? With the attack method, you have to correct more, maybe, but usually only the entry point. The original loop length can stay untouched, unless there is exactly another attack at the end, which is quite likely. But in this case you can move the end point to the attack and hope that its played more acurately than the musicians foot action, so you actually improve loop length. Ask IVL, they must know a lot about this stuff! ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 16 13:27:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20755; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 13:26:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 13:26:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.174.101] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Orville's sampler module manual Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 19:25:25 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2000 17:25:26.0084 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A135840:01C02003] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Somebody might find this interesting or maybe useful enjoy italo SAMPLER GROUP: DELAY Audio Recorder rec The module is capable of recording and playing mono or stereo samples with varying pitch and time scale. Up to 16 sound samples may be stored in memory so that various drum hits or vocal takes can be easily accessed. You can loop a sample, step through multiple samples on successive triggers, and trigger the sample from audio. Presets using this module may only run on DSP A on Orville. Audio recording: To begin recording, trigger the record input. Recording will begin immediately and will continue until stop is triggered or all memory is used up. Another way to begin record is to trigger the triggered record. Recording will start when audio exceeds record threshold. There is a pre-trigger capture, causing a small section of audio preceding the trigger event to be recorded. For each new recording, the audio is stored into a new sample location. This can be done until all the available memory is used up. Audio Playback: A trigger to play causes the current sample to be played until the stop or pause inputs are triggered or the stop time is reached. You can have an audio signal trigger the playback by triggering triggered play. The particular sample to be played back is controlled by the play select control. After recording, this control will be automatically set to the new sample. If a new play trigger is received while the current sample is playing, the new sample will begin playing immediately. The old sample will continue playing for the length of time set in the overlap control. By changing the nextplaymode setting, the playback can step through consecutive samples. The samples to be stepped through are controlled by the playmin and playmax controls. If looping is set to enabled, the sample will automatically repeat, and the end of the sample will be crossfaded to the beginning. Editing: Change start and stop to single out what part of the sample you want. If start is after stop the sample will be played in reverse. When adjusting, you have a choice of either a tape recorder scrub emulation, or pitchscrub mode where the sound at the point will be played looped. Fadein and fadeout allow you to adjust how the sound is turned off and on. Use pitchamt to adjust the pitch of the sample and timeamt to adjust how fast the sample is played back. Saving Samples: To save the recorded data, simply set save audio to yes and then save the current program as a preset from the PROGRAM menus.. This means that your preset can be quite large and may exceed the available PROGRAM memory space. To exclude the sound data from being saved, press clear before saving the preset, deleting the audio, or set save audio to no (default). To recall a saved sample, load the sampler preset with which the sample was saved. The sound data will remain in memory even after you go to other presets unless a preset uses the memory. If you load a sampler preset that was saved without sound data, that preset will use the sound data (if any) that is found in memory. Special parameters: A number of control signals can be altered by the sampler itself. This can cause confusion if you connect a KNOB to the control signal input. You can turn the knob, but the value the sampler uses is something else. These control signals have associated userobjects which can be attached to your menupages. There are also associated control signal outputs to let you know what the real value is. The inputs should only be used for special effects where you must change the value from the outside. Certain parameters are stored with each sample. When you change a sample, these parameters will change. In addition, when you load an empty sampler preset, these parameters are updated from the sample in memory. The information stored with a sample is: start time, stop time, fade in time, fade out time, overlap, loop xfade time, record mode, sample rate, pitch amount, pitch mod amount, time amount, time mod amount, and delay range. signal min max description Specifiers: maxtime 1 720 seconds. Specifies the maximum delay desired for this module. This may not be what you get, depending on how big a sampler card is present. The output totaltime can tell you how much time you actually got. Audio inputs: recinl left record input recinr right recorder inputs Audio outputs: recoutl left channel monitor of what is being recorded. This output is enabled only during recording recoutr right channel monitor of what is being recorded. This output is enabled only during recording playoutl The left channel output of sample being played. These outputs are only enabled during playback. playoutr The right channel output of sample being played. These outputs are only enabled during playback. playmonl A mix of the recording monitor and the playback, left channel. playmonr A mix of the recording monitor and the playback, right channel Mod inputs: rectrigger The presence of audio on this input can cause the sampler to begin to record. You must arm this function by triggering trigrec. Triggering stop will cancel. playtrigger The presence of audio on this input can cause the sampler to begin play. To arm this operation, you must trigger trigplay. Triggering stop will bring you back to normal. pitchmod Input for dynamically changing the playback pitch. The control signal pitchmodamt controls how much pitchmod affects the pitch. timemod Input for dynamically changing the playback time. The control signal timemodamt controls how much timemod affects the pitch. Mod outputs: playouttime Sweeps from 0 to 1 as the sample is played. This is guaranteed to be zero for at least 1 mod sample before playback even when playing samples next to each other. You can use this as a mark of the beginning of a playback. samp Which sample is being played at this moment. The value is determined by taking the sample number, subtracting one, and dividing by 100. For example, sample number 3 is .03. Sample number 1 is the first. This output can be used to redirect the output of the sampler so different sounds can be modified by different effects. A value of 0 means that no samples are stored in memory. signal min max description Control inputs: play 0 1 A zero to one transition causes the sample to be played out. This is a trigger type control signal input. trigplay 0 1 A control signal trigger causes the playtrigger input to be active. stop 0 1 A control signal trigger causes the sampler to stop whatever it is doing. This includes recording and playing. pause 0 1 A control signal trigger causes the sampler to pause wherever it is during the playback. A trigger one play causes the sample to be played from where it’s left off. record 0 1 A control signal trigger causes the sampler to begin recording. trigrec 0 1 A control signal trigger causes the rectrigger input to be active. clear 0 1 A control signal trigger causes the sampler to remove the currently selected sample. clearall 0 1 A control signal trigger causes the sampler to clear the entire memory. This will remove all samples recordmode 0 1 Selects whether the next sample recorded will be in stereo or mono. 0 for mono, 1 for stereo. loopmode 0 1 Selects whether the sample loop around when done playing. The sample will start playing after being triggered and will loop until stop is pressed. 0 for disabled, 1 for enabled. editmode 0 2 Selects how the sampler helps the user when the start and stop points are being adjusted. 0 - none. No help. 1 - pitchscrub. Plays the sound at the point. 2 - tapescrub. Mimics tape across heads as you jog the reels. recthresh -100 0 dB. The threshold at which the signal level at trigrec should be for the sampler to start recording. pretrigtime 0 5 How much should be recorded before the command to record is triggered. playthresh -100 0 dB. The threshold at which the signal level at trigplay should be for the sampler to start playing. playhyst 0 20 After the signal at trigplay has started playing back, the sampler needs to know when to trigger again. The signal at trigplay has to reach playhyst lower than playthresh before the sampler is armed for another play trigger. playselect 0 num of samples. Selects which stored sample will be played. This control input will change an internal value which can also be changed by the sampler. A control output of the internal value is available. For simplicity, use the select userobject. nextplay After a sample is played, does the sampler stay at the same sample (simple) or go to another sample (rotate)? Each sample has a number. Rotate will go to the next highest number unless the next number is larger than playmax. In that case, the next sample will be at playmin. playmin 0 249 The sample at the bottom of the list of rotated samples. playmax 0 249 The sample at the top of the list of rotated samples. This number can be larger than the number of samples in which case the real playmax is the top of the list. starttime 0 maxtime seconds. Where in the sample we start playing. This is in seconds and zero is at pretrigtime before recording started. The internal value can be changed. It is set to zero each time a new sample is recorded. This value is saved with the sample so if you change the current sample, this value will revert to the saved value. A userobject and a current value output are available. stoptime 0 maxtime seconds. Where in the sample we stop playing. This is in seconds and the internal value can be changed. If you adjust above the actual sample length, the value is brought back. It is set to the end of the sample each time a new sample is recorded. This value is saved with the sample so if you change the current sample, this value will revert to the saved value. A userobject and a current value output are available. pitchamt -4800 2400 cents. The amount the sample is pitch shifted. This is in cents and the internal value can be changed. This value is saved with the sample so if you change the current sample, this value will revert to the saved value. If the sample was recorded at a sample rate that is different from the current sample rate, the range will be limited. A userobject and a current value output are available. pitchmodamt -4800 2400 cents. The amount the sample is pitch shifted when pitchmod is at 1 is added to pitchamt. This value is saved with the sample so if you change the current sample, this value will revert to the saved value. A userobject and a current value output are available. timeamt 0 4 The amount the sample is time stretched. A 1 will play the sample at normal rate. A 2 will be twice as fast. A .5 will be twice as slow. Zero will stop the playing. The autoknob for this actually shows a percentage. This value is saved with the sample so if you change the current sample, this value will revert to the saved value. If the sample was recorded at a sample rate that is different from the current sample rate, the range will be limited. A userobject and a current value output are available. pitchmodamt -1 1 The amount the sample is time stretched when timemod is at 1 added to timeamt. The autoknob will show a percentage of time stretching. This value is saved with the sample so if you change the current sample, this value will revert to the saved value. A userobject and a current value output are available. fadeintime 0 1000 milliseconds. When the sample is started, the output is turned on slowly. This parameter governs how long it takes to fade in the sample. This value is saved with the sample so if you change the current sample, this value will revert to the saved value. A userobject and a current value output is available. fadeouttime 0 1000 Just before the sample stops, the output is turned off slowly. This parameter governs how long it takes to fade out the sample. This value is saved with the sample so if you change the current sample, this value will revert to the saved value. A userobject and a current value output is available. loopxfade 0 1000 milliseconds. In loop mode, the end of the sample is faded out while the beginning of the sample is faded in. This parameter governs how long it takes to perform the crossfade. This value is saved with the sample a userobject and a current value output is available. overlaptime 0 1000 When a sample is to be played while another is still playing, There is a point where both samples are playing at the same time. This parameter governs how much the sample will overlap. This value is saved with the sample and a userobject and a current value output is available. delayrange 10 71 milliseconds. This is usually an expert parameter where it helps to know what type of material you want to shift or stretch. A long delayrange is good for low notes, chords, and program material but can be choppy. Decreasing delayrange will smooth the playback if you have a single note source but can get glitchy if it’s too small. This value is saved with the sample and a userobject and a current value output is available. saveMode 0 1 Determines whether recorded audio is saved when a preset is saved. Set to 1 to save, 0 to not save (default). Control outputs Currentmode What mode the sampler is current in. This is an integer number representing: 0 - stop: The sampler is stopping the sample. 1 - pause: Paused in the middle of playing a sample. 2 - fill: The sampler is busy. 3 - ready: Ready and waiting to do something 4 - play: Playing a sample. 5 - decay: The end of the sample is being ramped down. 6 - trigready: Waiting for an audio trigger. 7 - trigplay: Playing a sample that was triggered. 8 - trigdecay: Ending a sample that was triggered. 9 - record: Recording a sample. 10 - recordinit: Getting ready to record. 11 - trigrecord: Recording a sample that was triggered. 12 - trigrecordinit: Getting ready to record triggered. 13 - trigfill: The sampler is busy. 14 - pscrubinit: Getting ready to pitch scrub. 15 - tscrubinit: Getting ready to tape scrub. 16 - pitchscrub: Finding endpoint in pitchscrub mode. 17 - tapescrub: Finding endpoint in tapescrub mode. 18 - recorddone: Finished recording, tying up loose ends. 19 - file I/O 1: Internal sampler mode. 20 - file I/O 2: Internal sampler mode. 21 - file I/O 3: Internal sampler mode. 22 - file I/O 4: Internal sampler mode. 23 - initialize1: Internal sampler mode. 24 - initialize2: Internal sampler mode. 25 - initialize3: Internal sampler mode. 26 - initialize4: Internal sampler mode. 27 - null: The sampler is doing nothing at all. Currenttime The current position in the sample in seconds. The sample beginning is at 0.0 and is the first recorded moment. This is at the pretrigtime. Currentsample The current sample being played. If no samples are in memory, this is zero. Recordrate What the sample rate was when the current sample was recorded. This is in kilohertz. playmode How was the sample recorded: 0 mono, 1 stereo numbersamples Current number of samples in memory. processstatus This is an indicator of where the analyzer is at in the sample. Before a sample can be played back, the sample needs to be analyzed. This happens while recording and is usually done when recording is finished. However, there may be some modules that may slow down the analysis process. This output is provided to inform the user this is happening. This value is in seconds. endtime How large the current sample is in seconds. totaltime The total time available to the sampler. This will depend on the size of the big memory card. Maxtime will ask for an amount of time, where totaltime tells you how much you actually have. playselect_out Current value of playselect starttime_out Current value of starttime stoptime_out Current value of stoptime pitchamt_out Current value of pitchamt pitchmodamt_out Current value of pitchmodamt timeamt_out Current value of timeamt timemodamt_out Current value of timemodamt fadein_out Current value of fadein fadeout_out Current value of fadeout loopxfade_out Current value of loopxfadeout overlap_out Current value of overlapout Userobjects obj All of the parameters arranged in menupages. start The starttime knob. rec The record trigger ply The play trigger stp The stop trigger stop The stoptime knob. select The playselect knob. pitch The pitchamt knob. pitchmod The pitchmodamt knob. time The timeamt knob. timemod The timemodamt knob. fadein The fadeinttime knob. fadeout The fadeouttime knob. xfade The loopxfade knob. overlap The overlaptime knob. Order SAMPLER, modulename, maxtime, recinl, recinr, rectrigger, playtrigger, pitchmod, timemod, play, trigplay, stop, pause, record, trigrec, clear, clearall, recordmode, loopmode, editmode, recthresh, pretrigtime, playthresh, playhyst, playselect, nextplay, playmin, playmax, saveMode, starttime, stoptime, pitchamt, pitchmodamt, timeamt, timemodamt, fadeintime, fadeouttime, loopxfade, overlaptime, delayrange HARMONIZER ® MODULES Modules Manual Page 82 of 97 Release 1.3 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 16 14:03:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21306; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 14:02:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 14:02:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 11:14:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Repeater Track Length Workaround Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some of us were recently bemoaning the fact Repeater's 4 tracks are all the same length, compared to being able to switch between different length loops on the good ol' EDP. Personally it doesn't strike me as a big problem, but something occurred to me... I notice Repeater holds lots of loops on it's memory card, and this memory card is the main memory (besides a 8 meg RAM "buffer"). Depending how quickly Repeater is able to switch loops, you should be able to switch to different length loops on the fly, allowing us to mimic the multiple loop set-up on the EDP, with the addition of 4 separate tracks, pitch change, scrubbing, mixing, etc. And since everything is under MIDI control, you could sequence this... How about it, Damon? Can Repeater switch loops quickly enough to do this? On the same subject, I'd like to suggest this loop switching work the way Electribe pattern switching does (yeah, I love them electribes...), that if a loop is running, the change to the new selected loop doesn't occur until the end of the currently running loop. If the loop is "stopped" (I guess muted actually), the change happens asap. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 16 16:24:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22687; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:23:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:23:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 15:28:33 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater Track Length Workaround To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003101c0201c$b006c260$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Some of us were recently bemoaning the fact Repeater's 4 tracks are all the > same length, compared to being able to switch between different length > loops on the good ol' EDP. Personally it doesn't strike me as a big > problem, but something occurred to me... > > I notice Repeater holds lots of loops on it's memory card, and this memory > card is the main memory (besides a 8 meg RAM "buffer"). > > Depending how quickly Repeater is able to switch loops, you should be able > to switch to different length loops on the fly, allowing us to mimic the > multiple loop set-up on the EDP, with the addition of 4 separate tracks, > pitch change, scrubbing, mixing, etc. And since everything is under MIDI > control, you could sequence this... that's what i was pointing out earlier. but what i was hoping for was simultaeously playing loops of different length right now you nead an edp for each loop to do this and setting up the ratios seems a bit wierd to me (haven't done it myself, yet) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 16 18:44:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24436; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 18:43:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 18:43:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: Repeater Sound Samples Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 15:44:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5KPofC.A.G9F.Id_w5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I know the Repeater folks are on here, so I have a suggestion for them... I'm sure you've built a prototype or two of the Repeater, so presumably you have a working device. Why don't you make some sound demos and put them up on the web site? Not only would this solidify the purchases of many who are thinking of buying, but I also think it help corral new purchases for you too. In short, a great idea. Question is: will you do this? And, if so, when? Kevin P.S. If there are sound samples up, could someone share the URL? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 16 20:55:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25884; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 20:54:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 20:54:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:51:44 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Deltalab style infinite repeat? In-reply-to: <024401c01f54$7559d7b0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <200009141737.KAA19809@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:35 PM -0700 9/15/00, Dennis W. Leas wrote: >> There is a DeltaLab page on the LD site. There is a schematic there, and a >> few links that should help you find out more: > >Thanks, Kim! > >If I'm reading that schematic right, it looks like the "soft" feedback is a >first order RC low-pass filter set at about 1600 Hz? > looks like it, yep. interestingly, the "hard" feedback also has a low-pass, with a cutoff at 7.2KHz. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 01:22:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28586; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 01:21:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 01:21:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.92.216.77] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Live looping sighting Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 01:20:12 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2000 05:20:12.0957 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4A4D4D0:01C02066] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just got back from a concert featuring: Hariprasad Chauraisa - bansuri (Indian bamboo flute) Egberto Gismonti - piano, 10- and 14-string guitars Vijay Ghate - tabla Siva Mani - assorted percussion First up was the trio of Chauraisa, Ghate, and Mani performing Indian classical music. Chauraisa chose a raag that is common to both North and South Indian traditions, with Ghate coming from the North and Mani from the South. Mani's setup looks a lot like Trilok Gurtu's and uses a lot of the same instruments that Gurtu is known for (Gurtu's snare drum designed to sit on the floor, Gurtu's tom set mounted in a somewhat triangular frame, Gurtu's spring drums for sound effects, a bucket of water for dipping a gong, etc). It could be that like Gurtu, he prefers to play sitting on a rug instead of on a drum throne. However, he also uses other percussion instruments such as a monstrous bass drum and an udu. I don't know much about his background, but I got the impression he has training in Indian classical music - he was always right in sync with Ghate and Chauraisa even through all the precisely timed stops and starts and intricate rhythms that Indian classical is known for. He made his unique array of instruments fit into the classical context. Then Gismonti did a solo set. Then the four played together. They were really having a lot of fun, which showed in the interplay, particularly with lots of call-response between bansuri and piano and between tabla and multi-percussion. Now for the looping part. Towards the end of the show, Mani was given the green light to cut loose with an impresive display of humor-laced theatrics and sheer virtuosic musicianship. There were several places during his solo that he looped a phrase and played on top of it. I understand these guys are touring. They're definitely worth seeing live. Paolo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 01:45:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28981; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 01:45:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 01:45:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [24.163.218.193] From: "pete mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Another live looping experience Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 01:44:27 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2000 05:44:27.0772 (UTC) FILETIME=[57C7FBC0:01C0206A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have any of you heard of HIM? Yes "HIM" Wonderful jazz based band, from Chicago I think. Anyway-way cool stuff. Check em out if they come to a town near you. They came to Detroit last night with Isotope 217. They are not to be missed! Pete. *@*@*Always have fun, especially if it pisses someone off!*@*@* _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 04:17:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30483; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 04:16:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 04:16:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <000901c01ff6$fd2eea20$830d78d8@gary> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 17:15:26 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Re: loopin' web radio idea + Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I extend my idea.. It use 2 sounds(2 CDs) by different artists. The artists send textures, fragmented sounds,drone etc, And 2 sounds(2 CDs) mixing for Realaudio broadcast. It will be make good sounds by a chance factor.. Also 2CDs are repeat playing per each by different loop points(different repeat time. for exsample, one is 60min, another one is 46min), Then the sounds is not repeat same sounds, it always changing.. And 2CDs looping in 24 hours on Realaudio broadcast for worldwide. It Internet loopy session by chance. I want to hear someone interest about it.. Sunao > > >Today I did trial run my real audio based virtual radio station broadcast. >http://www.cavestudio.com/live_from_far_east/radio_cave/ >or some details of my webcast: >http://www.cavestudio.com/live_from_far_east/ > > >I have a idea, >24hours (1day running.) streaming for 1 artist from my server. >for example, every Sunday playing music for 24 hours,total 4 artists per >months. >It playing by CD or CDR repeat play. it will loopin' about 12times.. > >I would like to offer for public subscription, >any suggestions? >someone have good idea for this project? > > Regards > > Sunao Inami >http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 04:22:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA31293; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 04:22:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 04:22:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c02080$e10863a0$87936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: Subject: Re: Live looping sighting Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 09:25:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds intersting. Where did you see this? Gareth > I just got back from a concert featuring: > > Hariprasad Chauraisa - bansuri (Indian bamboo flute) > Egberto Gismonti - piano, 10- and 14-string guitars > Vijay Ghate - tabla > Siva Mani - assorted percussion From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 04:44:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA31536; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 04:44:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 04:44:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39C4852D.B8237FC7@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 01:55:42 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live looping sighting References: <000501c02080$e10863a0$87936fd4@y5w2s5> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com whiteoakstudios wrote: > Sounds intersting. Where did you see this? > > Gareth > > > I just got back from a concert featuring: > > > > Hariprasad Chauraisa - bansuri (Indian bamboo flute) > > Egberto Gismonti - piano, 10- and 14-string guitars > > Vijay Ghate - tabla > > Siva Mani - assorted percussion i second that. haven't heard anything very recent from gismonte, but have fond memories of some of his earlier work. love to catch all of these guys live... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 09:45:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00799; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 09:44:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 09:44:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c020af$0e3e3f60$629b4e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Live looping sighting Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 09:56:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey folks: Here's the Gismonti/Chaurasia tour itinerary, from a post on rec.music.indian.classical: "Music Without Boundaries 2000" A Grand U.S. Concert Tour Featuring The Inimitable Pandit Hari Prasad Chaurasia (bansuri) Egberto Gismonti (guitar & piano) Siva Mani - Percussion Vijay Ghate - Tabla U. S. Tour Dates: September 8, 2000 - October 8, 2000 Sep. 8 - Portland, OR Sep. 9 - San Francisco CA Sep. 15 - Edison, NJ Sep. 16 - Tampa, FL Sep. 22 - Detroit, MI Sep. 23 - Chicago, IL Sep. 24 - Houston, TX Sep. 26 - Storrs, CT Oct. 1 - Kansas City, MO http://www.ebolla.com/ebolla/shopping/raag/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 10:18:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01242; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 10:17:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 10:17:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c020b0$f0472060$03ab5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #182 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 10:08:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <6L6EzB.A.rS.pJNx5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #182 September 14, 2000. On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the E-Live 2000 festival. The feature CD at Midnight was "Energy" by Elektronische Maschine. I also played the music of Dweller at the Threshold and Synthetic Block who will be performing at the next Gathering. E-Live 2000 http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2000/focus00.html#sep The Gathering http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Lambert Light Sky Essential (Spheric Music) Synthetic Block Arc The Opposite of Staring Into Space (Ironing Board Recordings) Dweller at the No Boundary Conditions No Boundary Conditions (Eurock) Threshold o Invisible Geometries o Event Horizon o Over a Fractal Landscape ARC Radio Sputnik Radio Sputnik (DiN) Kubesschnitt Ra The Cube (Neu Harmony) Steve Roach Midnight Look Midnight Moon (Projekt) 12:00 am Elektronische Maschine Energy Energy (none) Elektronische Maschine Power/Machine Energy (none) Elektronische Maschine Analog/Digital (dance) Energy (none) Elektronische Maschine Retrospection Energy (none) Elektronische Maschine Tanzen Mit Computer Energy (none) Elektronische Maschine Dance Floor Energy (none) Elektronische Maschine Elek-Tec Energy (none) Elektronische Maschine E-Motion Energy (none) Elektronische Maschine Analog/Digital Energy (none) Elektronische Maschine The Seduction Energy (none) Elektronische Maschine Dance 86 (remix) Energy (none) Elektronische Maschine Hypnosis Energy (none) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on the the E-Live 2000 festival in Veldhoven, the Netherlands. The feature CD at midnight will be "Pointless Reminder" by Free System Projekt (Marcel Engels). Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 11:07:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01880; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 11:07:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 11:07:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007201c020b8$647fc3e0$03011eac@mlameyer02> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <000901c01ff6$fd2eea20$830d78d8@gary> Subject: Re: loopin' web radio idea + Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 11:03:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That sounds like an interesting idea. Seems that something creative could be done. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sunao Inami" To: Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 4:15 AM Subject: Re: loopin' web radio idea + > Hi, > > I extend my idea.. > It use 2 sounds(2 CDs) by different artists. > The artists send textures, fragmented sounds,drone etc, > And 2 sounds(2 CDs) mixing for Realaudio broadcast. > It will be make good sounds by a chance factor.. > Also 2CDs are repeat playing per each by different loop points(different > repeat time. for exsample, one is 60min, another one is 46min), Then the > sounds is not repeat same sounds, it always changing.. > And 2CDs looping in 24 hours on Realaudio broadcast for worldwide. > > It Internet loopy session by chance. > I want to hear someone interest about it.. > > Sunao > > > > > > >Today I did trial run my real audio based virtual radio station broadcast. > >http://www.cavestudio.com/live_from_far_east/radio_cave/ > >or some details of my webcast: > >http://www.cavestudio.com/live_from_far_east/ > > > > > >I have a idea, > >24hours (1day running.) streaming for 1 artist from my server. > >for example, every Sunday playing music for 24 hours,total 4 artists per > >months. > >It playing by CD or CDR repeat play. it will loopin' about 12times.. > > > >I would like to offer for public subscription, > >any suggestions? > >someone have good idea for this project? > > > > Regards > > > > Sunao Inami > >http://www.cavestudio.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 12:13:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02996; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:12:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:12:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c020c1$ca934540$866202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: WAY OT: Warez - A Rebuttal Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:10:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <9fVMe.A.Nu.70Ox5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 7:18 PM -0700 9/14/00, Gregor Zavcer wrote: >>And yes, something with a financial goal in mind isn't art. somebody who's >>primary goal is to earn money with his "art" isn't an artist nor is his work >>art. It's not wrong if a piece of art gets well paid. The force behind the >>creation counts, IMO. so, computer hackers and freeware coders are artists. >>also those who first got the idea and then started with "marketing". > >But Michaelangelo, Frank Lloyd Wright, and William Shakespeare were not >artists. Or so your statement indicates. > >Mark > When you got ordered to do something, then it's not art, it's craft. gregor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 13:32:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04284; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:32:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:32:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39C500F3.D7ACD597@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 10:35:54 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: WAY OT: Warez - A Rebuttal References: <000f01c020c1$ca934540$866202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-elT7D.A.gBB.d_Px5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com gregor wrote: > >At 7:18 PM -0700 9/14/00, Gregor Zavcer wrote: > >>And yes, something with a financial goal in mind isn't art. somebody who's > >>primary goal is to earn money with his "art" isn't an artist nor is his > work > >>art. It's not wrong if a piece of art gets well paid. The force behind the > >>creation counts, IMO. so, computer hackers and freeware coders are > artists. > >>also those who first got the idea and then started with "marketing". > > > >But Michaelangelo, Frank Lloyd Wright, and William Shakespeare were not > >artists. Or so your statement indicates. > > > >Mark > > > > When you got ordered to do something, then it's not art, it's craft. > > gregor can you explain the difference between an order and a commission, gregor? can art can be commissioned, but not ordered? if the initial impetus behind the creation of a work is to feed one's self, yet in the process the creator encounters a deeper order of inspiration, does then the fact that one needs to eat disappear? did the creator find the deeper inspiration without first this basic impulse? and would it be brought to the light of day for others to experience if the drive to eat, i.e. survive, not compel it? i think these are significant questions that cannot be brushed aside by simple rhetoric. lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 13:37:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04508; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:37:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:37:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c020cd$f3d23cc0$7e3e5d18@austin.rr.com> From: "Kevin Thomas" To: References: <000f01c020c1$ca934540$866202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> Subject: Re: WAY OT: Warez - A Rebuttal Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:37:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 11:10 AM Subject: Re: WAY OT: Warez - A Rebuttal > > >At 7:18 PM -0700 9/14/00, Gregor Zavcer wrote: > >>And yes, something with a financial goal in mind isn't art. somebody who's > >>primary goal is to earn money with his "art" isn't an artist nor is his > work > >>art. It's not wrong if a piece of art gets well paid. The force behind the > >>creation counts, IMO. so, computer hackers and freeware coders are > artists. > >>also those who first got the idea and then started with "marketing". > > > >But Michaelangelo, Frank Lloyd Wright, and William Shakespeare were not > >artists. Or so your statement indicates. > > > >Mark > > > > > When you got ordered to do something, then it's not art, it's craft. > > gregor > Hogwash...... I suppose the Mona Lisa and all the other great portraits painted on commision are "craft"?? As well as the Sistine Chapel?? Etc.... drfuzz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 14:14:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05039; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:14:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:14:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39C5064F.B8D85C45@home.com> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 10:58:40 -0700 From: Damon Langlois Reply-To: damon-langlois@home.com Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05C-AtHome0403 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sound demos etc. References: <200009170817.EAA30544@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Depending how quickly Repeater is able to switch loops, you should be able > to switch to different length loops on the fly, allowing us to mimic the > multiple loop set-up on the EDP, with the addition of 4 separate tracks, > pitch change, scrubbing, mixing, etc. And since everything is under MIDI > control, you could sequence this... Exactly. And yes, Repeater will change loops fast enough. >Why don't you make some sound demos and put them up on the web site? Not >only would this solidify the purchases of many who are thinking of buying, >but I also think it help corral new purchases for you too. In short, a great >idea. >Question is: will you do this? And, if so, when? We will definitely do this. We are exhibiting at AES next week so we are a little busy. I'd say by the end of September we should get some demos going on our site. I'll post to the group as soon as they are up. Damon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 17 16:05:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06593; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 16:05:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 16:05:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 16:03:50 -0400 Subject: Electrix Mo-FX From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry that I usually only uncloak to post gear for sale, loopers, but what with all the Electrix talk I figured somebody here might use a Mo-FX or two, which I'm selling for $235 pickup in NYC or $245 shipped if prepaid. Only a few hours use at home! Thanx. Now, "back to the shadows again..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 02:54:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14257; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 02:53:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 02:53:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:32:45 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater Track Length Workaround In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:14 AM -0700 9/16/00, Mark Landman wrote: >Some of us were recently bemoaning the fact Repeater's 4 tracks are all the >same length, compared to being able to switch between different length >loops on the good ol' EDP. Personally it doesn't strike me as a big >problem, but something occurred to me... > you seem to be confusing what a track is vs. what a loop is..... I understood the repeater let you have some large number of different loops of whatever length, but the tracks in each had to be the same length. >On the same subject, I'd like to suggest this loop switching work the way >Electribe pattern switching does (yeah, I love them electribes...), that if >a loop is running, the change to the new selected loop doesn't occur until >the end of the currently running loop. If the loop is "stopped" (I guess >muted actually), the change happens asap. On the Echoplex we let you choose, by way of the SwitchQuant parameter. Either it always switches immediately when you hit the button, or it is quantized to the next cycle point as you want here. (and the next software version will give the option of switching loops at the next loop point, for those interested...) You will find you want different methods of loop switching depending on the application. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 05:26:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA15822; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 05:26:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 05:26:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 02:22:48 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Eventide4 KIM In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id FAA15752 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:53 AM -0700 9/16/00, italo de angelis wrote: >>Ok KIM let me try to show you and all LD people how an Eventide >>4000/7000/Orville works: thank you for all of the great details Italo. by the way, do you mind if I use some of your postings on the Eventide section of Looper's Delight? I've been waiting forever for somebody to show up here who actually used eventides for looping and had something to say about it. you more than fit that description. :-) >The looping features DO NOT have undo, copy, multiply and other features of >the Echoplex, even though Scott Gilfix has done nice programs in which you >can undo and double loop length by using buffer delays. well, he has a way to do one layer of undo, not multiple undos like the echoplex...:-) >YES Kim, you cannot do looping and sampling on the same audio chunk, meaning >that a sampler module does sampling,editing and looping of the sample and a >delay module does delay style loopingÖBUT you can put both in the same >program and get both flavors of powerÖdoes it hurt anybody? Like it? it hurt us....we were looking at orville as a place to protoype new ideas. but it became clear some of its limitations prevented us from doing many of our basic concepts that we implemented in the echoplex long ago. no hope for the new ideas.... don't get me wrong, orville is clearly a very powerful signal processor. (with a very powerful price. :-) but for all the types of standard looping functions that are not DSP based, it seems rather limited. If what you need is very powerful DSP features to use with rather simple loop creation, orville may be for you. >2) trust a reliable software and hardware should be easy in year 2000, when >youíre on stage, improvising and looping in front of people that pay tickets >to be there Ö.Iím a musician that does live and studio work, being the first >very inner resources demanding, especially when you use these toys. >3) see a product come to life and growing with updates that implement new >and exciting functions, killing old bugs and keeping the box up to the >usersí demands , dropping prices even if this means totally changing the >unit from almost scratchÖ >All this and more I donít see from Gibson!!! And believe me, I have nothing >personal with you! I think you did a wonderful job with Eds and still doing >it, including keeping this awesome place open on the Net. You are an >invaluable human and tech resource to any interested human looper cat, sorry, but I don't think your accusations are at all fair to Matthias, or me, or even Gibson. The reason you don't see bugs in the software for the Echoplex is because we fixed them all already. We produced the updates and got them to users who needed it, and we did that long ago. And now, we are about to release a major new software version for the Echoplex that will do many exciting new things that nobody has ever seen before. Much of it is based on extensive interactions we've had with users on this list and otherwise. And you know what? this upgrade doesn't mean changing the whole thing from scratch. Everybody who has already paid their hard-earned dollars for the hardware can get it updated for a much smaller price. They don't have to throw away everything they already bought and get something new. I consider that a feature, not a problem! And we've steadily worked with Gibson all through the years to improve the hardware. We've fixed problems as they've come up, helped them improve their production, deal with vendors changing components, etc. Gibson has even invested in putting together a whole new production operation for the echoplex. The work on this has never stopped, and I find it quite frustrating that you keep accusing us of doing nothing. I don't think you know what you are talking about. There are not many companies who stick to a product for so long as this. >but >you have to agrre that in 10 years companies have been doing incredible >boxes and cheaper than beforeÖisnít it time to update old boxes a bit? >What about a super ED with some more features? I know itís hard to have >companies listening to you and us but still the question remains. sorry, I think that attitude is bullshit. why do perfectly useful things need to be upgraded so often? Especially with music, where so many songs are composed around particular instruments and so much time goes into learning how to perform with a particular setup so you can make it musical. Why would you want to keep changing and starting over all the time? however, I must admit I'm very happy that you and others like you think this way. Since I work in the PC industry these days making 3d graphics chips, my nice salary is paid by people who think just like this. Every six months we put out new stuff, and market the hell out of it to convince you of how pathetic and inadequate the thing you just bought already is. The new one is faster! more memory! more features! you need it now! And people believe us and keep tossing out their old stuff and buying the new stuff even though the old thing worked just fine for them! do many people really need 1.2GHz CPUs, 60GB discs, and 180 frames per second in Quake? well, I sure don't, but my wallet is not complaining as long as the rest of you think you do. :-) now, do you really want that same scene for musical instruments? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 10:32:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18277; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:30:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:30:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02d001c0217c$26a82930$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater and foot control feedback Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:24:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Damon! > Trying to stay true to some of the comments around here I would like to > request some feedback on a MIDI foot controller for Repeater. >... I really appreciate your efforts AND requesting our feedback but what I would find most helpful is a manual, even a beta manual, describing the Repeater. I find it hard to make intelligent comments when I don't know what I'm talking about! :) (Wait, this IS an election year... :D ) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 11:13:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18889; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:12:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:12:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002901c020cd$f3d23cc0$7e3e5d18@austin.rr.com> References: <000f01c020c1$ca934540$866202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> <002901c020cd$f3d23cc0$7e3e5d18@austin.rr.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 08:10:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: WAY OT: Warez - A Rebuttal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > When you got ordered to do something, then it's not art, it's craft. >> >> gregor >> >Hogwash...... I suppose the Mona Lisa and all the other great portraits >painted on commision are "craft"?? As well as the Sistine Chapel?? Etc.... > >drfuzz but dr.fuzz... sure the Mona Lisa is great and all, but does it really compare to the pure artistry of computer hackers? And the Sistine? Geez, there are tons of software crackers out there who could do something like that without even breaking a sweat...:) rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 13:05:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20345; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:55:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:55:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:29:45 -0400 (EDT) From: noah X-Sender: fishmong@aint-got-nothin.mit.edu To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater Group Buy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right then. We've got 26 people so far, and the kind folks at Alto Music have offered to support our orgy of consumerism. Remember, if you want in, email repeater@braincramp.org with your Full Name, and an amusing comment (not required, but appreciated.) -><- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 13:58:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21198; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:56:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:56:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39C6566F.3D4A2829@best.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:52:47 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Eventide4 KIM References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9UIa2C.A.lKF.Jblx5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right on, Kim. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! Whereas I can imagine in my head what a super EDP would be like (and it's price tag), the current model is pretty damn perfect. The fact that the EDP can be (and has been) incrementally improved with software upgrades shows that the hardware was well designed. -Allan Kim Flint wrote: > Everybody who has already paid their hard-earned > dollars for the hardware can get it updated for a much smaller price. They > don't have to throw away everything they already bought and get something > new. I consider that a feature, not a problem! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 14:34:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21993; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:33:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:33:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000918182105.67977.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:21:05 -0700 (PDT) From: abduction scene Subject: RE: Eventide4 KIM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, and of course this begs the question: The new software upgrade for the EDP will be released approximately when? As i understand it, with the upgrade one will be able to drop their loop an octave (doubling the loop length), correct? -abduction- > -----Original Message----- > From: Allan Hoeltje [mailto:ahoeltje@best.com] > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 1:53 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Eventide4 KIM > > > Right on, Kim. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! Whereas I > can imagine in my > head what a super EDP would be like (and it's price tag), the > current model is > pretty damn perfect. The fact that the EDP can be (and has > been) incrementally > improved with software upgrades shows that the hardware was > well designed. > > -Allan > > > Kim Flint wrote: > > > Everybody who has already paid their hard-earned > > dollars for the hardware can get it updated for a much > smaller price. They > > don't have to throw away everything they already bought and > get something > > new. I consider that a feature, not a problem! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 14:46:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22378; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:45:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:45:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:45:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy From: Doug Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9JFqSB.A.gcF.GKmx5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I want one! What is it? Doug Miller > Right then. We've got 26 people so far, and the kind folks at Alto Music > have offered to support our orgy of consumerism. Remember, if you want in, > email > > repeater@braincramp.org > > with your Full Name, and an amusing comment (not required, but > appreciated.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 14:47:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22257; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:42:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:42:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: jim@hemlock.violacea.com Message-ID: <39C661BD.F64720DB@jguru.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:41:01 -0600 From: Jim Coker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Eventide4 KIM References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4iq-JB.A.6aF.gGmx5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: > we were looking at orville as a place to protoype new ideas. > but it became clear some of its limitations prevented us from doing many of > our basic concepts that we implemented in the echoplex long ago. no hope > for the new ideas.... Kim, I can only assume you prefer working w/ hardware, but have you considered prototyping new loopers as VST or MAS plugins? C code is much faster to write than 56K Assembler -- and in many cases more direct than using a higher-level toolkit. Once you've settled on new features, you could re-write and optimise for an embedded chip, or perhaps someone will put out a stand-alone hardware box that runs VST plugins. ;) Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 15:42:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23447; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:40:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:40:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.168.222] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Eventide4 KIM Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:35:56 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Sep 2000 19:35:56.0874 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA6A92A0:01C021A7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: Kim Flint >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Eventide4 KIM >Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 02:22:48 -0700 > >At 7:53 AM -0700 9/16/00, italo de angelis wrote: > > >>Ok KIM let me try to show you and all LD people how an Eventide > >>4000/7000/Orville works: > >thank you for all of the great details Italo. by the way, do you mind if I >use some of your postings on the Eventide section of Looper's Delight? >I've been waiting forever for somebody to show up here who actually used >eventides for looping and had something to say about it. you more than fit >that description. :-) >You're welcome,Kim..You can use that and post it wherever you like on >LD...it's good for anybody, I hope. > > >The looping features DO NOT have undo, copy, multiply and other features >of > >the Echoplex, even though Scott Gilfix has done nice programs in which >you > >can undo and double loop length by using buffer delays. > >well, he has a way to do one layer of undo, not multiple undos like the >echoplex...:-) >CORRECT!!! > > >YES Kim, you cannot do looping and sampling on the same audio chunk, >meaning > >that a sampler module does sampling,editing and looping of the sample and >a > >delay module does delay style loopingÖBUT you can put both in the same > >program and get both flavors of powerÖdoes it hurt anybody? Like it? > >it hurt us....we were looking at orville as a place to protoype new ideas. >but it became clear some of its limitations prevented us from doing many of >our basic concepts that we implemented in the echoplex long ago. no hope >for the new ideas.... >It depends on what you WANT to consider as a STANDARD looper...to me it's >anything that has memory, audio input, feedback and overlay...heard what >awesome music Torn has being doing with a "miserable" PCM42 for so long, >right! Anything! I'm open..ddls, Jammen,EDPs, TC2290 (fripp), EH (Frisell), >H3000, DSP4000/7000, Orvilles, Repeaters...they all fit for me...some are >different from others, some are more reliable...and that counts for a stage >performer, some are just easy and poor in functions, but work >great...people has superprocessors or computers to do all sorts of mangling >on loops, so it's hard to say what a REAL looper should be...it depends on >each user. >don't get me wrong, orville is clearly a very powerful signal processor. >(with a very powerful price. :-) but for all the types of standard looping >functions that are not DSP based, it seems rather limited. If what you need >is very powerful DSP features to use with rather simple loop creation, >orville may be for you. > >I don't think that Orville is that expensive! In USA you can get it for the >price of 3 EDPs and one of its pedalboards...but what you can do is way >over beyond anything else...even boxes that cost 9 or 15 grands, like TC >6000 or Lexi 960L. You know haow much is an EDP from Gibson here in Italy? littel more than 1000 dollars, on custom order and no pedalboard...is that cheap? > > > >2) trust a reliable software and hardware should be easy in year 2000, >when > >youíre on stage, improvising and looping in front of people that pay >tickets > >to be there Ö.Iím a musician that does live and studio work, being the >first > >very inner resources demanding, especially when you use these toys. > >3) see a product come to life and growing with updates that implement new > >and exciting functions, killing old bugs and keeping the box up to the > >usersí demands , dropping prices even if this means totally changing the > >unit from almost scratchÖ > >All this and more I donít see from Gibson!!! And believe me, I have >nothing > >personal with you! I think you did a wonderful job with Eds and still >doing > >it, including keeping this awesome place open on the Net. You are an > >invaluable human and tech resource to any interested human looper cat, > >sorry, but I don't think your accusations are at all fair to Matthias, or >me, or even Gibson. The reason you don't see bugs in the software for the >Echoplex is because we fixed them all already. We produced the updates and >got them to users who needed it, and we did that long ago. And now, we are >about to release a major new software version for the Echoplex that will do >many exciting new things that nobody has ever seen before. Much of it is >based on extensive interactions we've had with users on this list and >otherwise. And you know what? this upgrade doesn't mean changing the whole >thing from scratch. Everybody who has already paid their hard-earned >dollars for the hardware can get it updated for a much smaller price. They >don't have to throw away everything they already bought and get something >new. I consider that a feature, not a problem! >GREAT, KIM!!! This is the time to let us know what it can do...Repeater is >really setting up a hot desire...this is the time, man!!! >And we've steadily worked with Gibson all through the years to improve the >hardware. We've fixed problems as they've come up, helped them improve >their production, deal with vendors changing components, etc. Gibson has >even invested in putting together a whole new production operation for the >echoplex. The work on this has never stopped, and I find it quite >frustrating that you keep accusing us of doing nothing. I don't think you >know what you are talking about. There are not many companies who stick to >a product for so long as this. > >Great, Kim but still the box is the same and the price tag higher...you >fixed what was supposed to be right since long time...talking about hard >earned money...why price is almost double than before? > >but > >you have to agrre that in 10 years companies have been doing incredible > >boxes and cheaper than beforeÖisnít it time to update old boxes a bit? > >What about a super ED with some more features? I know itís hard to have > >companies listening to you and us but still the question remains. > >sorry, I think that attitude is bullshit. why do perfectly useful things >need to be upgraded so often? Especially with music, where so many songs >are composed around particular instruments and so much time goes into >learning how to perform with a particular setup so you can make it musical. >Why would you want to keep changing and starting over all the time? > >however, I must admit I'm very happy that you and others like you think >this way. Since I work in the PC industry these days making 3d graphics >chips, my nice salary is paid by people who think just like this. Every six >months we put out new stuff, and market the hell out of it to convince you >of how pathetic and inadequate the thing you just bought already is. The >new one is faster! more memory! more features! you need it now! And people >believe us and keep tossing out their old stuff and buying the new stuff >even though the old thing worked just fine for them! do many people really >need 1.2GHz CPUs, 60GB discs, and 180 frames per second in Quake? well, I >sure don't, but my wallet is not complaining as long as the rest of you >think you do. :-) > >now, do you really want that same scene for musical instruments? > >kim > >You're right Kim!!! I still use Atari 520stfm computer W/1MB ram and a >Pentium 166MMX windows 95 PC...I agree that companies make believe people >all that shit, turning bullshit into needs. I didn't mean changing boxes >every 6 or 60 months...but evolving them for sure.Harware when it needs and >software to respect people's money. 16 years from an H3000 to todays Orville/7000 is a long long time...and things have been growing & improving, even changing a lot...doesn't it look like a very long time for you for a digital product?...and respectful to any user? I think you misunderstood my last words...anyway when something works fine and sounds good, it doesn't matter to me how old it is, as long as it's reliable...now how long did it take to make EDP such? And did you get there at the end? I've friends that had to shake their brand new EDP to make it work...does it take it so long to make it happen? and this is definitely a Gibson fault! They have the power to fix this all, right? nice to talk to you about this all...ciao ITALO _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 16:20:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24589; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:16:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:16:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.76.82.65] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gismonti/Chauraisa/Ghate/Mani Tour Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:12:14 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Sep 2000 20:12:14.0292 (UTC) FILETIME=[BC423140:01C021AC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gareth/Lance, I saw the concert in Clearwater (across the bay from Tampa), Florida. James, Thanks for posting the tour dates. Paolo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 17:10:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25769; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:09:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:09:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39C684D8.552F4BE7@visi.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:18:54 -0500 From: Dan Schwartz Reply-To: dschwartz@visi.com Organization: Peacefire Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JAMMMAN on Ebay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just giving a "heads up to" all that there is a Jamman in exfellent shape posted on EBay, but hurry the auction ends tomorrow! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 18 17:53:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26695; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:52:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:52:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39C68F45.70DF1E97@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:55:20 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gismonti/Chauraisa/Ghate/Mani Tour References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paolo Valladolid wrote: > Gareth/Lance, > > I saw the concert in Clearwater (across the bay from Tampa), Florida. > > James, > > Thanks for posting the tour dates. > > Paolo > hey, i've been to clearwater! it's odd they're not coming to southern california. they would get a good reception here, i'm thinking... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 05:18:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02644; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:17:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:17:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [148.240.114.161] From: "Alejandro Martínez" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Suggestion to the LD mailing list. (UPDATED) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:14:37 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Sep 2000 09:14:37.0260 (UTC) FILETIME=[0872A8C0:01C0221A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: Alejandro Martínez [mailto:alexmartinez7@hotmail.com] >Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 2:46 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Suggestion to the LD mailing list my suggestion is this: I think it >will be a >good idea to make the posting through a Bulletin Board type of page inside >the Looper´s Delight web site >From: "Cody Davis" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: RE: Suggestion to the LD mailing list >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:16:11 -0500 > >I like your idea Alejandro and totally agree. Can this be done by the >webmasters? Thanks Cody, that´s what I would like to know also, it seems that the idea didn´t get much interest on the list users or it wasn´t understood at all, I want to explain it again clearly, also I want to clarify and I thought I did it before that this isn´t a matter of using email filters (which I already did) ´cause even having all the LD emails delivered to a specific folder we still sometimes receive too many emails on a daily basis and using words to block certain emails like the guy on this list who was planning to put a filter to the word "Repeater" is not a solution ´cause maybe one of the replies to that topic may have something of interest. I would like that people on this list would have some minutes to check out the Bulletin Boards that I mentioned before: Ampage: http://www.ampage.org/ or Vintage guitar online: http://www.vintage-guitar.com:8080/forums/ to see what I´m talking about, I guess many of you have used a Bulletin Board service before but for those who haven´t please check those ´cause I really think that if this list moves to a BB format it will be more benefical for both users and the LD site itself ´cause the Lopper´s Delight web page will have more hits per day and that´s good ´cause more people would see the advertising banners that now Kim is starting to include which I think is a good idea to make the site autosufficient and that autosufficiency is something that Kim himself mentioned on the "LD sells out" email. I know that if I don´t want to have my inbox fill of LD messages I just can unsubscribe myself and check the LD archives but what if I want to reply to some topic or post a new one?: I need to subscribe again (and later unsubscribe, and later subscribe again and...). Wouldn´t be easier that we could actually post a reply or a new topic directly to the LD archives pages? (it´s OK if you need to be subscribed to do that!), I mean, the way the archives are organized in the "Thread" mode are almost the ideal way for a BB page, the ideal way would be that the page could be divided in two like the BB on AMPAGE so we can click on a topic´s name and on the right side of the screen we can read ALL the responses to that topic and also POST a reply directly on there too!, here are some more benefits: * The hard drive space that the list uses now on the server will be reduced ´cause we wouldn´t need to leave or quote the original message in every respose to that topic, actually if you now check the posts on the LD archives they are like the original emails: every response has a copy of the original message and in many cases a copy of some of the responses, in a BB format the original message will be ONLY on the top and below will be every response in cronological order, isn´t that easier?. * You eliminate the need of unsubscribing when you´re out of your home for some days or not liking the list anymore, and no more "unsubscribe me or I´ll sue" type of emails with their corresponding and useless responses. * You can have categories sorted like for example: Echoplex D.P., Jamman, Kyma, Repeater, Upcoming shows by area, etc., and actually this option is useful for the guy who wated to create a Roland´s Handsonic mailing list too. * You can post long topics without worrying to use too much bandwidth and filling other´s inboxes and actually the posts would be benefited with contributions of other people which didn´t read the original´s topic email in the first time ´cause they were unsubscribed at that time or they thought it wasn´t interesting enough to read it originally. * You can check the topics, POST a new one or REPLY to them even if you´re on vacation, on tour or in some place where you can´t have access to your regular email account but you still have access to the Internet and just by accesing the LD web page you can do all that, isn´t that more useful?. Maybe the list has grown too much and it´s time to move to a bigger home, imagine if all the users on the list would make a post per day, that´s a lot of emails in your inbox I think, why not use the already avalible space on the LD archives pages?, and as I told you before I don´t spend too much time on the Internet on a daily basis and just check my inbox once a day, I think some users on this list also do that too that´s why I think it would be easier to check the posts, REPLY to them and POST new ones whenever you have the time on a BB. I would like that Kim Flint who is the owner of this list and other users would comment something on this idea. Thanks. Alex. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 05:32:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02873; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:32:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:32:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [148.240.114.161] From: "Alejandro Martínez" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Update on web address I mentioned... Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:30:18 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Sep 2000 09:30:18.0129 (UTC) FILETIME=[393FE010:01C0221C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, after sending my email about the idea for a BB I noticed that the link for AMPAGE I gave you wasn´t working, you can try this one in that case: http://venus.aros.net/~tboy/ampage/ Thanks! Alex. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 09:17:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05179; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:16:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:16:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:13:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Pafford X-Sender: todd@galen.local.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Suggestion to the LD mailing list. (UPDATED) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id JAA05109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Alejandro Martínez wrote: > what I´m talking about, I guess many of you have used a Bulletin Board > service before but for those who haven´t please check those ´cause I really > think that if this list moves to a BB format it will be more benefical for > both users and the LD site itself ´cause the Lopper´s Delight web page will > have more hits per day and that´s good ´cause more people would see the > advertising banners that now Kim is starting to include which I think is a > good idea to make the site autosufficient and that autosufficiency is > something that Kim himself mentioned on the "LD sells out" email. Let me just put in my vote against a web based BBoard by saying: Ugh. I can't stand those things. They're an inefficient way to deliver text. My advice is to get a decent mail client that'll sort by threads, filter messages, and shuttle the mail off into various folders accordingly. The Looper's Delight really doesn't have /that/ much traffic. Having said that, I do like newsgroups and BBoards in general. My problem is the web interface. Not everything works well when webified, but apparently all those webmasters out there think so. The hypertext transfer protocol is simply inefficient at delivering hundreds of short messages. For example, let's say I'm browsing my local usenet news server. My connection to that server is maintained while I read the groups. On the contrary, every time I fetch a page from an http server, I have to reestablish the connection to the server. Often, with short messages, the connection process takes longer than actually delivering the message. For a small number of messages, this really isn't a big deal, but for a moderate to large sized list, the reconnection time compounds into one giant waste of time. (Of course, the problem with usenet is the signal to noise ratio, spammers, etc.) Enough for now. How 'bout a little loop content: I saw Phish on sunday and was delighted to hear Trey (guitar) using his two Boomerangs to full effect. Some very nice ambient and textural loop work during a few of the jams. Loop On...and on...and on...and on...and on.... --- "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake Todd Pafford galen@erols.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 09:29:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05447; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:28:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:28:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000919081222.02463018@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:22:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: RE: Suggestion to the LD mailing list. (UPDATED) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Todd Pafford (08:13 AM 09.19.2000) wrote: >On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Alejandro Martínez wrote: >> what I´m talking about, I guess many of you have used a Bulletin Board >> service before but for those who haven´t please check those ´cause I really >> think that if this list moves to a BB format it will be more benefical for >> both users and the LD site itself... > >Let me just put in my vote against a web based BBoard by saying: Ugh. I >can't stand those things. They're an inefficient way to deliver text. >My advice is to get a decent mail client that'll sort by threads, filter >messages, and shuttle the mail off into various folders accordingly. The >Looper's Delight really doesn't have /that/ much traffic. Yeup... With a good mail client you can all still easily filter out my babbling. :) I'm subbed to 31 different mailing lists, and easily pull 500+ pieces of mail a day. Each one goes into it's own folder where I can easily scan subject headers, read each piece, or delete a whole list's worth of content at a glance. The only way that I could ever handle that level of volume is if it's all in one spot, and not sitting up on a web site somewhere that I have to make a conscious decision and movement to go visit. There's also the pure UI and usage issues with web based mail... Each click of the mouse makes you wait on a something out of your control. You're at the mercy of everything between your local computer and the remote server (n number of routers, hubs, firewalls) and the remote machine itself in order to see the result of your click. One thing that I have seen work is that a traditional mailing list is mirrored by a web based interface (or, vice-versa). The Topica and eGroups lists run this way, as well as some individual mailing lists. Just don't take my text away! :) Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 10:23:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06452; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:23:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:23:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <04ab01c02244$6fb669c0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Cc: References: <004001c0186b$c7926000$0101a8c0@pavilion> <000101c0189b$144f1b20$ac936fd4@y5w2s5> <00c101c018d9$fcd3e950$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <008d01c01e7b$e9cdc040$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Xfade vs. zeroX / HW vs SW (was: dream box) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:18:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >. . . > So as I undertood your picture, I am the father of the EDP denomination. > And I feel that this dificults my participation / contribution in the > others, just like in real religions: If you are strong in one tribe > the members of the others keep distance. > . . . As with real religions, we must concentrate on unity and not division! And celebrate different views as additions. Like in physics, "Is light a wave or a particle?" Embracing both views increases our understanding. Holding one view is limiting. >. . . > shure, the click goes away, but couldnt you hear some bump, like as > if an new such hum tone would start? I had that a lot when editing > sound files on the Mac. > The only way to get rid of it is a slow Xfade. > The savest place to cut is an attack. I started cutting tape: Roll > backwards and forewards until you locate the beginning of a note and > cut there. Shure, the diagonal tape splice also corresponds to a > cross fade... > > So instead of searching for a zero-crossing, you may search for an > attack. Usually the musician starts a loop with a new note :-) > Cutting at the last zero cross before the attack, you probably dont > have to care about the end point, because the click will be > overrolled by the attack, right? > > If there is no attack, we need a Xfade, and it can be a long one. It probably does depends on the audio material. I haven't heard a click or bump when I test with humming, but I haven't tried many other kinds of audio yet. Perhaps we could trade small sound files? That way we could hear/see the different atrifacts. For example, I could send you before and after files. If you're interested, I'd suggest an uncompressed format like AIFF or WAV. BTW: How slow is the Xfade? > >My zero-crossing adjuster alters the loop length, even if by only a > >tiny amount. >>. . . > In the worst case, you have to go back almost a phase of say a 33Hz > note, which is 30ms. If it happens on both ends, its 60... couldnt > you correct backwards on both ends, so you can do it in real time and > the error would subtract instead of adding? > With the attack method, you have to correct more, maybe, but usually > only the entry point. The original loop length can stay untouched, > unless there is exactly another attack at the end, which is quite > likely. But in this case you can move the end point to the attack and > hope that its played more acurately than the musicians foot action, > so you actually improve loop length. Yes, I'm concerned about the low tones. 60 ms gets significant! I like the idea of "correcting" the same direction on both ends so as to minimize the length changes. Seems like the best action is to quantize the recording to zero-crossing points. Right now, my zero-crossing adjuster works on sound already recorded into wavetable memory. > Ask IVL, they must know a lot about this stuff! Ah! The Electrix / IVL folks! Hey Damon! How does the Repeater handle loop splice points? Zero-crossing? Cross-fade? Both? Other? Adjustable? [ I'll cc Damon this message. Hope you don't mind, Damon. I'm really interested in how the Repeater does this. ] Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 12:11 PM Subject: Re: Xfade vs. zeroX / HW vs SW (was: dream box) > > >>I think both Kyma and MAX/MSP provide solutions. This is cool! > > >>[Sometimes I feel that, if I'm into this "looper religion" thing, > >then Kyma is like my denomination. :) That makes the MAX/MSP folks > >(and Orville users, etc.) like a different denomination; same > >religion, they just use different words to mean about the same > >thing!] > > > >>please let me be member of such denomination! > > > >I always thought you were one of the founders! One of the "fathers of the > >revolution"!!! Viva la Loop!!!!!! :) > > hmm, I hope it will not turn into revolution, but a peacefull evolution. :-) > I contributed with the currage to launch the first dedicated loop unit. > But looping has a much longer story. > So as I undertood your picture, I am the father of the EDP denomination. > And I feel that this dificults my participation / contribution in the > others, just like in real religions: If you are strong in one tribe > the members of the others keep distance. > The SW looper specialists may fear that I grab all ideas while in > fact the oposit is happening lately! > > > >Doesnt the audibility depend on the sound material? > >>Roughly: For percussive sound, the zero crossing is great but for sustained > > >sound, cross fade is necessary, otherwhise you hear a new attack which can > > >be about as annoying as a click. > > >In a future HW solution such fades will be available and probably > >controllable. > >>The sound material could be analyzed to define characteristic. > > > >Interesting... > >Yes, I think the audibility depends on the sound material, but I > >would say just > >the opposite! I.e., I'd use zeroX for sustained sounds. Here's my > >experience: > >I wrote a zero-crossing adjuster for Kyma recently. To test it, I created a > >short loop by humming a continuous tone into the mic and punching > >in/out. Sure > >enough, I heard a click at the loop point. After being > >zero-adjusted, the click > >completely disappeared. But perhaps with other sounds, the zeroX would leave > >artifacts. > > shure, the click goes away, but couldnt you hear some bump, like as > if an new such hum tone would start? I had that a lot when editing > sound files on the Mac. > The only way to get rid of it is a slow Xfade. > The savest place to cut is an attack. I started cutting tape: Roll > backwards and forewards until you locate the beginning of a note and > cut there. Shure, the diagonal tape splice also corresponds to a > cross fade... > > So instead of searching for a zero-crossing, you may search for an > attack. Usually the musician starts a loop with a new note :-) > Cutting at the last zero cross before the attack, you probably dont > have to care about the end point, because the click will be > overrolled by the attack, right? > > If there is no attack, we need a Xfade, and it can be a long one. > > >My zero-crossing adjuster alters the loop length, even if by only a > >tiny amount. > >It advances the start point and retreats the end point until a zero-crossing > >splice is achieved (with the same signal slope on each side). The nice thing > >about Xfade is that the loop length can remain EXACTLY the same. In thinking > >about Alex's original question some more, I think maybe a cross-fade for the > >sub-loop to eliminate clicks but trim the new material with a zero-crossing > >adjustment. > > In the worst case, you have to go back almost a phase of say a 33Hz > note, which is 30ms. If it happens on both ends, its 60... couldnt > you correct backwards on both ends, so you can do it in real time and > the error would subtract instead of adding? > With the attack method, you have to correct more, maybe, but usually > only the entry point. The original loop length can stay untouched, > unless there is exactly another attack at the end, which is quite > likely. But in this case you can move the end point to the attack and > hope that its played more acurately than the musicians foot action, > so you actually improve loop length. > > Ask IVL, they must know a lot about this stuff! > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 10:29:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06752; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:28:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:28:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:26:22 EDT Subject: OT:davidtorn/SPLaTTeRCeLL for sale To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <6e.3257ee6.26f8d193@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com folks, ....just thought i'd letyall know: the first of the SPLaTTeRCeLL discs/vinyl are available as of today. (amazon/cdnow/artistshop/etc etc; roughly US$9.). while these websites have the first set listed as: SPLaTTeRCeLL: Is Love, the actual title is: SPLaTTeRCeLL:ReMiKSiS:AH. (somebody goofed) thisall premiere release is a 65min mostly-remix'EP', including these titles: is love: SPLaTTeRCeLL (album track) cutting: Automator multisplat: Charlie Clouser (NiN) chrysanthemum: Fernando Aponte romance refined: Tim Bowness (NoMan)/SPLaTTeRCeLL was love: Gareth Williams double 'u' slash space: Yoshihiro Hanno bang romantik: Carter Burwell a dozen breaks to brook the fall: Ryuichi Sakamoto kinda: SPLaTTeRCeLL (non-album, extra track) the full-length cd, SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH, will be released on October 3rd, also on CeLLDiViSioN/75ARK. to those of you who get this stuff: hope ya dig; more looping than ever before: n many ways. best, david torn List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 10:33:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06968; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:33:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:33:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39C7A383.B927AB2B@plant.uoguelph.ca> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:33:56 -0700 From: Jake Stout X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Repeater cost?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <51f_xB.A.AsB._i3x5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey.... doin a bit of a delurk here. I'm kinda new to the whole loop thang, but have been makin the big noise in my basement for years. So... I need a decent looper. However, I'm one of those starving grad student types... and thus am a bit limited. The Zoom looks good for a budget, but how much is the repeater going to be on this group buy (alot more, I know... but I'm willing to shuck out more bucks for more features)?? Thanks, Jake -- M.Sc. Student. University of Guelph, Canada 519 824-4120 X8182 jstout@plant.uoguelph.ca "It's tough to find something when you don't know what you're looking for...." Cop, Plan 9 From Outer Space From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 13:54:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09714; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:53:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:53:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Xfade vs. zeroX / HW vs SW (was: dream box) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:51:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hey Damon! How does the Repeater handle loop splice points? Zero-crossing? >Cross-fade? Both? Other? Adjustable? >[ I'll cc Damon this message. Hope you don't mind, Damon. I'm really >interested in how the Repeater does this. ] I can't go into to much detail about this yet. We (Electrix) have deemed this particular subject (as well as a few others) as "classified" until we are closer to our release date. We have some pretty smart people on it so hold on to this question. Best Regards, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix / IVL "No Creative Barriers" Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 14:10:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10068; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:09:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:09:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:04:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Onnen X-Sender: skyeklad@verdi.siteprotect.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Filters and Line6 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <_fXVa.A.mcC.Xu6x5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I subscribe to the digest version of LD and it really helps organize your inbox. One big email a day instead of multiple emails. Just a suggestion. I just picked up a Line6 Delay and I like it a lot. The modulated delay and the auto-volume delay are lots of fun. I haven't had a chance to play with the looper setting very much yet. I am looking forward to using this in parallel with my HeadRush. I also like the runaway feedback you can get going on the Space Echo preset. ___________________________________________________________ Dave Onnen dave@skyeklad.com ___________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 20:25:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17031; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:24:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:24:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: OdysseyFX3@aol.com Message-ID: <34.aa257a3.26f95d10@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:21:36 EDT Subject: I have a question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is my first time posting on this list , and although I don't know a whole lot ( actually not 90%) of what you guys are sayin' , it's nice to know that if I do have a question about equiupment that you guys'll be able to answer them . So I'll ask.... About a month ago I invested a little on the SP-808 Groove Sampler by Roland . I bought this machine without know a damned thing about sampling and was wondering if it was worth it or not ? I've never been on any other type of sampler . Does anyone have any tips on how to make this machine do what I want it to do , or do I upgrade . P.S. I have it connecting to an MC-505 , what else would you guys add , I have no idea Thanx The Groove-Kidd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 20:33:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17341; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:33:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:33:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: I have a question Message-ID: <0056910007369651000002L112*@MHS> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:34:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 09/19/00 19:31:40" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id UAA17248 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Grv Kd, Several of us have SP-808s. My comments : I liked the SP-808 for "music production" sorts of things, as opposed to "real time looping" things which are more my forte. To complement the SP808, I highly recommend a PC with a compatible ZIP drive. That way you can easily import samples from many other environoments, and you can even transfer back and forth from ACID to 808 and so forth. Brother K OdysseyFX3@aol.com on 09/19/2000 05:28:13 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP cc: Subject: I have a question Classification: This is my first time posting on this list , and although I don't know a whole lot ( actually not 90%) of what you guys are sayin' , it's nice to know that if I do have a question about equiupment that you guys'll be able to answer them . So I'll ask.... About a month ago I invested a little on the SP-808 Groove Sampler by Roland . I bought this machine without know a damned thing about sampling and was wondering if it was worth it or not ? I've never been on any other type of sampler . Does anyone have any tips on how to make this machine do what I want it to do , or do I upgrade . P.S. I have it connecting to an MC-505 , what else would you guys add , I have no idea Thanx The Groove-Kidd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 20:54:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17806; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:53:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:53:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34.aa257a3.26f95d10@aol.com> References: <34.aa257a3.26f95d10@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:52:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: I have a question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Go, Go, Go! Don't be fooled by us crazies and our constant gear lust! you've got a couple of great tools there...If you don't know a damned thing about it, just make some music on it and see what you have. I think some of the more prolific contributors to this list have pushed their gear hard and learned what it can and can't do. That's where the gear lust comes in. "ooooh, that new thing can do THAT?" As far as your question...you're a bit vague. What exactly is it that you want the Groove Sampler to do? If you're not sure, then ANY sampler is going to be a headache. I'd love to have one of those beasts, but my gear lust wanders in different fields at the moment... best of luck, i hope we can be of some help.... rich >This is my first time posting on this list , and although I don't know a >whole lot ( actually not 90%) of what you guys are sayin' , it's nice to know >that if I do have a question about equiupment that you guys'll be able to >answer them . So I'll ask.... > >About a month ago I invested a little on the SP-808 Groove Sampler by Roland >. I bought this machine without know a damned thing about sampling and was >wondering if it was worth it or not ? I've never been on any other type of >sampler . Does anyone have any tips on how to make this machine do what I >want it to do , or do I upgrade . > >P.S. I have it connecting to an MC-505 , what else would you guys add , I >have no idea > >Thanx The Groove-Kidd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 21:35:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18632; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:35:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:35:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.240.220.242] From: "space module" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I have a question Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:31:57 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2000 01:31:57.0650 (UTC) FILETIME=[90D81320:01C022A2] Resent-Message-ID: <_iVYsD.A.vhE.tOBy5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there Groove Kid, You got some cool tools! You should learn how to use them as best as you can by recording/sequencing songs on them and then use the real time controls to play along or tweak the mixes/arrangements that you pre-assembled . I use my SP-808 as a loop archive for my JamMan. This way I can improvise w/my 6-string electric violin and other instruments - capture some good loops - sample these - create arrangements and further mangle the sounds. I also like to play along with the sampled loops and create more loop layers w/the JamMan to layer on top of the SP-808. I even play the D-Beams with the Head of my Ax or with the bow. It's fun to control Panning or Filter Cutoff Frequency or Resonance this way. These are just some of the tricks that I use. Over time you will discover your own bag of tricks. Too Much Fun! You should check out SP-808USERS@egroups.com for more ideas. Best Regards, sm >From: OdysseyFX3@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: I have a question >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:21:36 EDT > >This is my first time posting on this list , and although I don't know a >whole lot ( actually not 90%) of what you guys are sayin' , it's nice to >know >that if I do have a question about equiupment that you guys'll be able to >answer them . So I'll ask.... > >About a month ago I invested a little on the SP-808 Groove Sampler by >Roland >. I bought this machine without know a damned thing about sampling and was >wondering if it was worth it or not ? I've never been on any other type of >sampler . Does anyone have any tips on how to make this machine do what I >want it to do , or do I upgrade . > >P.S. I have it connecting to an MC-505 , what else would you guys add , I >have no idea > >Thanx The Groove-Kidd > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 22:19:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19332; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:19:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:19:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:08:54 -0700 From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Sellon Jamman upgrade ROM for trade To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002f01c022b8$7eb9b340$735cfea9@pavilion> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not using this since my second and last Jamman left the premises last week, on it's way to a new home in Michigan . . . first person who offers me a cassette, minidisc, LP (no DATs--see following post), wire reel or whatever of their own creative output gets it v 0.2--documentation is online on Bob Sellon's site--I didn't have the nerve or time install it on either of mine so please don't ask me for hints--definitely keep in mind that Bob did this on his own time and that you're going to have to work out it's bugs on your own drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideomo@swbell.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 22:32:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19757; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:32:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:32:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:22:11 -0700 From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: FS Sony PCM-2500 DAT deck (OFFF TOPIC) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003901c022ba$59090a40$735cfea9@pavilion> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com before i stick it on Harmony-Central: selling this guy which is an older pro model "portable" DAT deck--means it runs off of a rechargable video battery, but it ain't a walkman--it weighs 9 pounds it is built like a brick shithouse with separate motors for play/record and rapid tape transport--NEVER ate a tape while I had it (unlike the Sony DAT Walkman) for all you production people, does time code (LTC) in and out--also word sync in records at 44.056, 44.1, 48 from analog, also 32 digitally. AES/EBU digital, balanced analog mic inputs w/phantom power retailed for about $6000 (according ot the DAT Heads equipment FAQ) new way back when--I bought it from an audiophile who was using it with a separate D/A convertor works great--heads in good shape includes heavy duty production video grade outboard power supply, operations manual and I'll throw in about 17 new Maxell DAT tapes jpegs on request $ 575 Tom Lambrecht hideomo@swbell.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 19 23:28:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20825; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:27:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:27:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018101c022b2$619435c0$cbad5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Top 20 Report for September, 2000 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:24:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice and CD Revolutions for September, 2000. Shows #179 to #182; 24-August-2000 to 14-September-2000 Reported in non-ranked order. 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Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 02:40:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23083; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 02:39:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 02:39:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:31:52 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Oberheim Echoplex for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <9Y982.A.AoF.jtFy5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Note, this is NOT me! send replies to this guy: >From: "MARK FRANO" >Subject: Echoplex For Sale >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:16:48 -0400 > > I have >stumbled on to a used Echoplex that I know many subscribers would be >interested in. If you feel it is appropriate, would you forward this >message to the list. I was going to post it myself but until I work out >the problem with my mail, I can't. Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro for >Sale. 5.0 version, 198 seconds memory, no footswitch. mint condition. >best offer. >Thank you, Mark Frano ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 02:47:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23384; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 02:47:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 02:47:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SussieRegina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 02:46:16 EDT Subject: Organizing Looping Festivals To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 117 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm wondering if people want to do Looping festivals in their area? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 03:22:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23815; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 03:22:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 03:22:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAkdGwijuOND54xusGjNMa6r4jXEUCFAMwMFfj9qWyIo3WtU2OFCioXeU6 From: DanKoontz@webtv.net (Dan Koontz) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:21:34 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: OT: David Keane book Message-ID: <28386-39C8657E-19@storefull-244.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm looking for the person on this list who was going to sell me David Kean's "Tape Music Composition, will that person please e-mail me, I lost your email address. (I apologize to everyone else on this list whom this message doesn't concern.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 07:34:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA26111; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 07:33:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 07:33:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 06:25:01 -0700 From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Sellon Jamman upgrade for trade To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002d01c02306$4a949000$735cfea9@pavilion> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 References: <018101c022b2$619435c0$cbad5cd1@-> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it's GONE, guys thanks Tom Lambrecht hideomo@swbell.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 08:56:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA26667; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:55:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:55:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:54:13 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Synths for sale Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: <06SqXC.A.YgG.2NLy5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Paia Fatman and Blacet Synths for sale Blacets modulars come in a frac rac the 2 synths are dark star chaos and a klaangwerks ring modulator Fatman comes with fine tuning knob to get to those inbetween notes will trade for looper,m partial trade on a mackie 1604 or make offer regards, c.white From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 09:14:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26856; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:14:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:14:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a301c02304$8c9db140$a0a26099@izmmpc33.izm-m.fhg.de> Reply-To: "Rainer Straschill" From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: software a la MusicBox (extremely old DOS sw) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:13:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C02315.4F9B7F50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <2pcUQD.A.WjG.TfLy5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C02315.4F9B7F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings Loopers, is there anyone remembering a software product (public domain I think) = that existed about ten years ago, ran on MS-DOS PCs down to the = traditional 4,77MHz XT and was a MIDI application where you could = assemble different modules to form a more or less complex network to = control MIDI devices with statistical, semistatistical, = realtime-influenced or whatever stuff (actually, you could also output = to the printer or whatever, but that's another story). My question: is there any software still available that does something = similair, and if its great, does also implement realtime audio content? = Think of something like an AudioMulch for MIDI, but about 173 times more = complex? Rainer ------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C02315.4F9B7F50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings Loopers,
 
is there anyone remembering a = software product=20 (public domain I think) that existed about ten years ago, ran on MS-DOS = PCs down=20 to the traditional 4,77MHz XT and was a MIDI application where you could = assemble different modules to form a more or less complex network to = control=20 MIDI devices with statistical, semistatistical, realtime-influenced or = whatever=20 stuff (actually, you could also output to the printer or whatever, but = that's=20 another story).
 
My question: is there any software = still=20 available that does something similair, and if its great, does also = implement=20 realtime audio content? Think of something like an AudioMulch for MIDI, = but=20 about 173 times more complex?
 
       =20 Rainer
------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C02315.4F9B7F50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 10:16:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27660; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:15:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:15:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <05ea01c0230c$7d6c8ea0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Organizing Looping Festivals Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:10:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What do you have in mind? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 1:46 AM Subject: Organizing Looping Festivals > I'm wondering if people want to do Looping festivals in their area? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 11:12:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28605; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:10:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:10:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000920100816.00816180@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:08:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Organizing Looping Festivals In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sure. M. At 02:46 AM 9/20/00 EDT, you wrote: >I'm wondering if people want to do Looping festivals in their area? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 11:56:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29247; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:56:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:56:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39C8DCBB.C7F3A135@turino.ch> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:50:19 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,de,de-CH MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Filters and Line6 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I just picked up a Line6 Delay and I like it a lot. The modulated delay > and the auto-volume delay are lots of fun. I haven't had a chance to play > with the looper setting very much yet. I am looking forward to using this > in parallel with my HeadRush. ... try to use it in line with the headrush ... much more fun jesús From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 12:01:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29354; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:00:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:00:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <34.aa8c09d.26fa38df@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:59:27 EDT Subject: Re: I have a question (regarding SP-808) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had an SP-808 for two days an I took it back! Not because it wasn't good, but because i 'thinks' differently than I do. I have lots of experience with different samplers (Akai MPC-2000 mostly) and Hard Disk recording (I bought one of the first Roland DM-80's...$15k ouch). And the SP-808 is a strange combination of the two ("don't understand it? wanna kill it..."). I really like the MC-505. The most obvious addition to your rig would be a REPEATER. You would be able to sample "LIVE" while in sync with your 505 and 808, the loop gets stored to the memory card, and anytime you wish you could 'fly' your Repeater loops over to the 808. Personally I would rather have the REPEATER alongside a regular hard Disk recorder (VS-1680 etc...). I have a computer-based system now, and I intend to use te Repeater for loop construction while synced to my MAC. hope that helps, John In a message dated 9/20/00 9:17:47 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: << About a month ago I invested a little on the SP-808 Groove Sampler by Roland . I bought this machine without know a damned thing about sampling and was wondering if it was worth it or not ? I've never been on any other type of sampler . Does anyone have any tips on how to make this machine do what I want it to do , or do I upgrade . >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 12:22:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29617; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:21:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:21:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c0231d$846af640$3c42e0d5@pandora.be> From: "Sound Mind" To: Subject: sp202 memory Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:12:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C0232E.478F1100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C0232E.478F1100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, if there are any roland sp202 owners out there : do you have = alternatives for the pretty pricey roland smartmedia card? Tips and tricks would be welcomed as well. salu, Jan=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C0232E.478F1100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
if there are any roland sp202 owners = out there : do=20 you have alternatives for the pretty pricey roland smartmedia = card?
Tips and tricks would be welcomed as=20 well.
 
salu,
 
Jan
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C0232E.478F1100-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 13:00:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30149; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:59:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:59:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39C8EDAE.B0F84D49@voicenet.com> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:02:38 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sp202 memory References: <002601c0231d$846af640$3c42e0d5@pandora.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > if there are any roland sp202 owners out there : do you have > alternatives for the pretty pricey roland smartmedia card?Tips and > tricks would be welcomed as well. I use a SP202 for loops exclusively so this is even on topic :) You can use any 2 mg or 4mg 5vt Smart Media card. I've successfully used a couple different brands with no problem at all. The one issue might be finding 5vt smart cards in that small a size. Most places no longer stock 5vt cards at all (5VT seem to be the standard and these will *not* work with the SP202). Also most places don't carry cards as small as 2 or 4 mgs either. If you do find them I suggest buying a few of them. Try www.pricewatch.com and do some searches for various memory companies., you might get a hit that way. ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 13:37:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30839; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:36:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:36:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39C8F77D.CB2BD91A@voicenet.com> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:44:29 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sp202 memory References: <002601c0231d$846af640$3c42e0d5@pandora.be> <39C8EDAE.B0F84D49@voicenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0P2V_D.A.phH.gVPy5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > You can use any 2 mg or 4mg 5vt Smart Media card. I've successfully used > a couple different brands with no problem at all. The one issue might be > finding 5vt smart cards in that small a size. Most places no longer stock > 5vt cards at all (5VT seem to be the standard and these will *not* work > with the SP202). Error in my post! The above should read (3 VT cards seem to be the standard and these will *not* work with the SP202) ^^^^ ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 14:08:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31346; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:07:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:07:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [208.16.219.20] From: "pete mundt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Organizing Looping Festivals Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:05:24 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2000 18:05:25.0039 (UTC) FILETIME=[599DD3F0:01C0232D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm all for it, let me know when it hits the detroit-metro area!! Pete. >From: SussieRegina@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Organizing Looping Festivals >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 02:46:16 EDT > >I'm wondering if people want to do Looping festivals in their area? > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 14:18:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31486; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:18:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:18:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [199.179.183.1] Reply-To: dj_devious_d@hotmail.com From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ZooM SampleTrak 234 _ Who Got One? Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:15:06 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2000 18:15:06.0930 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4735920:01C0232E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Hello folks, this is the infamous DJ Devious D, and I have a observation. I have been reading through these post for some time, and I have noticed a disturbing trend... These post are not catagorized by any means. "What do you mean by that?", you say. These things should be broken down in catagories, of equipment, Loop experience, specific technical support type post. I have a ZooM Sample Trak 234, with a 16 Meg smartmedia card (I edit my samples on my PC, then upload them to the sampler. I use a bunch of different software to do this including Sound Forge 4.5, Cool Edit Pro and Recycle, but I have the darnest time working the dabnabbit thing. It drives me insane to sequence a series of samples to create a song (I need HALP!!!). So, are there any ZooM SampleTrak users out there, that are having a GOOD OLE time using the device? (I got mine from Sam Ash, for about 279.00, so the price was cool, but it's not as easy as my BOSS SP202, or even my ROLAND MS1, to operate).

Any suggestions?

 

 



 

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 14:25:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31672; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:24:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:24:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801c02330$119bcf00$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "Brian Mulvey" To: References: <00a301c02304$8c9db140$a0a26099@izmmpc33.izm-m.fhg.de> Subject: Re: software a la MusicBox (extremely old DOS sw) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:24:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01C0230E.875CE3E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C0230E.875CE3E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's a few programs that do this.. Building Blocks which crashes alot = on my PC, and a couple other ones I found on shareware music machine = that aren't very fun or crash too. But the best one I've used is called A Musical Generator and it is most = likely on SMM as well. It lets you work with all forms of data and math = functions, and assign it to notes/duration etc of specific scales/modes. = It's pretty ghetto compared to a real commerical program, but that's the = charm. b ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rainer Straschill=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 9:13 AM Subject: software a la MusicBox (extremely old DOS sw) Greetings Loopers, =20 is there anyone remembering a software product (public domain I think) = that existed about ten years ago, ran on MS-DOS PCs down to the = traditional 4,77MHz XT and was a MIDI application where you could = assemble different modules to form a more or less complex network to = control MIDI devices with statistical, semistatistical, = realtime-influenced or whatever stuff (actually, you could also output = to the printer or whatever, but that's another story). =20 My question: is there any software still available that does something = similair, and if its great, does also implement realtime audio content? = Think of something like an AudioMulch for MIDI, but about 173 times more = complex? =20 Rainer ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C0230E.875CE3E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There's a few programs that do this.. Building Blocks which crashes = alot on=20 my PC, and a couple other ones I found on shareware music machine that = aren't=20 very fun or crash too.
 
But the best one I've used is called A Musical Generator and it is = most=20 likely on SMM as well. It lets you work with all forms of data and math=20 functions, and assign it to notes/duration etc of specific = scales/modes.=20 It's pretty ghetto compared to a real commerical program, but that's the = charm.
 
b
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rainer Straschill
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, = 2000 9:13=20 AM
Subject: software a la MusicBox = (extremely old DOS sw)

Greetings Loopers,
 
is there anyone remembering a = software product=20 (public domain I think) that existed about ten years ago, ran on = MS-DOS PCs=20 down to the traditional 4,77MHz XT and was a MIDI application where = you could=20 assemble different modules to form a more or less complex network to = control=20 MIDI devices with statistical, semistatistical, realtime-influenced or = whatever stuff (actually, you could also output to the printer or = whatever,=20 but that's another story).
 
My question: is there any software = still=20 available that does something similair, and if its great, does also = implement=20 realtime audio content? Think of something like an AudioMulch for = MIDI, but=20 about 173 times more complex?
 
       =20 Rainer
------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C0230E.875CE3E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 14:39:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32003; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:38:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:38:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:37:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: "looper's delight" Cc: robert dennis Subject: nyc psych gig alert Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not loop specific, perhaps, but pretty loopy nonetheless: monday 9/25 at brownies 169 avenue a (duh...) improv/psych trio tono-bungay (10 pm) but also on this bill: circle (from finland) up on in tungsten 74 see you there? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 15:08:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32655; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:05:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:05:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JohnMameli@aol.com Message-ID: <80.e47004.26fa643f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:04:31 EDT Subject: Echo-plex repair To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have three or four Echo-plex machines that need repair; can anyone help me? Please~!!!!!!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 15:43:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00905; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:42:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:42:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <34.aa257a3.26f95d10@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:41:20 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: MUSICAL LOOPS: I'm playing Sunday 24 September w/Lukas Ligeti Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Special performance: "Musical Loops": improvised electronic music with Lukas Ligeti and Tom Ritchford Venue: PARKER'S BOX, 193 Grand Street (between Bedford and Driggs), Williamsburg, Brooklyn Time: Sunday 24th September, 5-8pm Lukas has given the name "Musical Loops" to this performance, to coincide with "Modular Loops", the name of the visual art show we are performing 'within' at the gallery, comprising work by three artists - Tim Laun (New York), Stefan Sehler (Berlin) & Gerard Williams (London). There is no admission charge for this performance. This is part of the Elsewhere: Williamsburg weekend event - with 33 Williamsburg and Greenpoint galleries putting on shows. This is my first (public) performance with Lukas, a noted drummer of great talent, and we'll be trotting out all sorts of new material. This is a chance to check out my stuff for free! /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 17:03:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02374; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:02:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:02:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:07:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Synths for sale From: "Skza" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1242638599-27649075@mail.blol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey do you stillhave the blacet stuff? I really really want it, and was about to buy it from blacet! if you have it still let me know!!! thanks! Skye ---------- >From: magicicada@mindspring.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Synths for sale >Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000, 7:54 AM > > > > Paia Fatman and Blacet Synths for sale > > Blacets modulars come in a frac rac the 2 synths are dark star chaos and a > klaangwerks ring modulator > > Fatman comes with fine tuning knob to get to those inbetween notes > > will trade for looper,m partial trade on a mackie 1604 or make offer > > regards, > c.white > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 17:05:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02463; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:04:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:04:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:10:27 -0500 Subject: Re: sp202 memory From: "Skza" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3052307428_227715_MIME_Part" Message-ID: <1242638443-27658454@mail.blol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3052307428_227715_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Look around in little computer stores that sell digital cameras & shit- I have seen lots for like 13 dollars... The brand I got was called "digital film" or something like that... IF you get a non roland brand they're cheap as hell! Good luck- Skye ---------- From: "Sound Mind" To: Subject: sp202 memory Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000, 11:12 AM Hi all, if there are any roland sp202 owners out there : do you have alternatives for the pretty pricey roland smartmedia card? Tips and tricks would be welcomed as well. salu, Jan --MS_Mac_OE_3052307428_227715_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: sp202 memory Look around in little computer stores that sell digital cameras & shit-=

I have seen lots for like 13 dollars...   The brand I got was cal= led "digital film"
or something like that... IF you get a non roland brand they're cheap as he= ll!
Good luck-

Skye

----------
From: "Sound Mind" <soundmind@pandora.be>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: sp202 memory
Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000, 11:12 AM


Hi all,
 
if there are any roland sp202 owners out = there : do you have alternatives for the pretty pricey roland smartmedia car= d?
Tips and tricks would be welcomed as well.
 
salu,
 
Jan

--MS_Mac_OE_3052307428_227715_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 17:08:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02627; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:07:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:07:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000920160449.00817770@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:04:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Echo-plex repair In-Reply-To: <80.e47004.26fa643f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Send them to Gibson. M. At 03:04 PM 9/20/00 EDT, you wrote: > I have three or four Echo-plex machines that need repair; can anyone help >me? >Please~!!!!!!!!!! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 18:19:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03731; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:17:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:17:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JohnMameli@aol.com Message-ID: <3b.a27b898.26fa912c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:16:12 EDT Subject: Re: Echo-plex repair To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 18:32:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03886; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:26:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:26:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.172.26] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echo-plex repair Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:25:54 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2000 22:25:54.0426 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD7505A0:01C02351] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ehi Kim...weren't we talking about reliability??? Now it's not me!!! Sorry John, ask Gibson...they ARE SUPPOSED to help you. Italoop. >From: JohnMameli@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Echo-plex repair >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:04:31 EDT > > I have three or four Echo-plex machines that need repair; can anyone >help >me? >Please~!!!!!!!!!! > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 18:36:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03939; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:29:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:29:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:36:15 -0600 (MDT) From: the Reverend Rob To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echo-plex repair In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, italo de angelis wrote: > ehi Kim...weren't we talking about reliability??? Now it's not me!!! > Sorry John, ask Gibson...they ARE SUPPOSED to help you. Italoop. Gibson may not be able to help here; the original question never stated whether it was an original tape Echoplex or the EDP model. == the Reverend Rob http://www.mp3.com/thereverendrob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 18:46:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04092; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:35:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:35:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41309A5@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Echo-plex repair Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:33:34 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wondering if the original guy meant TAPE echoplexi . . . stig -----Original Message----- From: italo de angelis [mailto:italoop@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 5:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echo-plex repair ehi Kim...weren't we talking about reliability??? Now it's not me!!! Sorry John, ask Gibson...they ARE SUPPOSED to help you. Italoop. >From: JohnMameli@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Echo-plex repair >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:04:31 EDT > > I have three or four Echo-plex machines that need repair; can anyone >help >me? >Please~!!!!!!!!!! > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 18:49:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04056; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:33:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:33:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JohnMameli@aol.com Message-ID: <9.ad46f42.26fa94df@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:31:59 EDT Subject: Re: Echo-plex repair To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank-you for writting back.........Pull up my web site; sing my book; I'll send you a t-shirt or hat......(www.mameli.com) Later! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 20:14:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06219; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:13:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:13:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39C95140.416FBFAB@virtulink.com> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:07:28 -0400 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: NYC only! [Fwd: The Dream House 2000-2001] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------92D0ED692D86A5D79F054923" Resent-Message-ID: <2VuhQB.A.zgB.9IVy5@hemlock.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------92D0ED692D86A5D79F054923 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looking for help at the La Monte Young & Marian Zazeelas Dream House. Forgive the cross post! -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm --------------92D0ED692D86A5D79F054923 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by titan.imaginary.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA09033 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:58:27 -0400 Received: from 209-122-221-50.s558.tnt3.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.221.50] helo=1f9kd) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13ao8G-0002A9-00; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:46:00 -0400 Message-ID: <002001c02102$39e2f400$32dd7ad1@1f9kd> From: "mela foundation" To: Subject: The Dream House 2000-2001 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:51:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C020E0.AF1620C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C020E0.AF1620C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All, You're receiving this email either because you are/have been a Dream = House monitor or you're an ongoing friend and supporter of the Dream = House and MELA Foundation.=20 We want to let you know that Saturday, September 23, marks the opening = of the 2000-2001 Dream House season! =20 This year we are happy to announce some exciting news. First of all, = MELA Foundation has succeeded in securing a lease on the Dream House = space for another eight years, insuring that the sounds and sights of La = Monte Young and Marian Zazeela will continue to be experienced for the = better part of the coming decade. =20 Also, the Dream House has been newly renovated with wall to wall carpet, = new white paint, fix-ups and general reorganization. Little by little = we're trying to make it a better experience for visitors and monitors! One of the most important aspects of the Dream House is the volunteer = monitor system - even if you have never been a monitor before, we invite = you to consider it this year - it's a great way to experience the Dream = House and it plays an invaluable role in keeping the Dream House alive. = Or, if you can't be a monitor, please tell anyone you know who might be = interested in participating as a monitor to get in touch with us (by = phone 212-925-8270, by email melafoundation@rcn.com). Hope your summer was excellent and we look forward to seeing you at the = Dream House this season. Warm regards,=20 Michelle Dorvillier MELA Foundation ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C020E0.AF1620C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear All,
 
You're receiving this email either because you are/have been a = Dream House=20 monitor or you're an ongoing friend and supporter of the Dream House and = MELA=20 Foundation. 
 
We want to let you know that Saturday, September 23, marks the = opening of=20 the 2000-2001 Dream House season! 
 
This year we are happy to announce some exciting news.  First = of all,=20 MELA Foundation has succeeded in securing a lease on the Dream House = space for=20 another eight years, insuring that the sounds and sights of La Monte = Young and=20 Marian Zazeela will continue to be experienced for the better part = of the=20 coming decade. 
 
Also, the Dream House has been newly renovated with wall to wall = carpet,=20 new white paint, fix-ups and general reorganization.  Little by = little=20 we're trying to make it a better experience for visitors and = monitors!
 
One of the most important aspects of the Dream House is the = volunteer=20 monitor system - even if you have never been a monitor before, we invite = you to=20 consider it this year - it's a great way to experience the Dream House = and it=20 plays an invaluable role in keeping the Dream House alive. Or, if you = can't be a=20 monitor, please tell anyone you know who might be interested in = participating as=20 a monitor to get in touch with us (by phone 212-925-8270, by email melafoundation@rcn.com).
=
 
Hope your summer was excellent and we look forward to seeing you at = the=20 Dream House this season.
 
Warm regards,
 
Michelle Dorvillier
MELA Foundation
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C020E0.AF1620C0-- --------------92D0ED692D86A5D79F054923-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 20:23:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06414; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:21:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:21:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <41.11548e5.26faade8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:18:48 EDT Subject: way OT (NYC only! [Fwd: The Dream House 2000-2001]) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Resent-Message-ID: <96srhC.A.yjB.lQVy5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John Cale's new bio, What's Welsh For Zen, says some interesting things about working with LaMonte Young (Cale worked with him in the 60's). I recommend it. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 21:52:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07989; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:51:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:51:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <66.796c5ea.26fac34b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:50:03 EDT Subject: boomerang upgrade To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: <_RRCiD.A.s8B.rlWy5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my MONSTER RANG has returned from texas........DR NELSON has done his work.........im going to plug it in now..........im shakin!............:)..............but first, i will read the 20 page manual, i like (need) manuals...........ill report back later.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 20 23:59:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09666; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:57:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:57:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: OdysseyFX3@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:56:32 EDT Subject: Re: boomerang upgrade To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A couple of days ago I posted on this list and asked about the sp-808 . I want to use this machine for vocals and sound-fx mostly but I have no idea where to get samples at . Are those loopzilla CD,s worth it at all ? Or do you guys know where I can download vocal samples from (i.e. Napstar maybe) ? And what's the price range on a REPEATER ? Thanx, The Groove-Kidd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 00:01:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09764; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:00:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:00:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000920225327.01c47820@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:55:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: boomerang upgrade In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OdysseyFX3@aol.com (10:56 PM 09.20.2000) wrote: >And what's the price range on a REPEATER ? It will list for US $699. Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 01:59:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10830; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 01:58:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 01:58:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c02391$8416f120$ab936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: Subject: Re: Organizing Looping Festivals Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:13:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com YES! Gareth Incidentally, I'm playing live with Kyma and my new , (secondhand) laptop on 27th September at Chapter Arts' Centre, Wales, UK at the Diggers' club. I know most of you can't make the necessary transatlantic journey - maybe I should record it, (It's sort of freeform world jazz stuff.) Anyone who makes it gets a free pint form me! Hey, this is starting to sound desperate :) G ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 7:46 AM Subject: Organizing Looping Festivals > I'm wondering if people want to do Looping festivals in their area? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 03:08:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11436; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 03:07:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 03:07:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:00:41 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echo-plex repair In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:36 PM -0700 9/20/00, the Reverend Rob wrote: >On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, italo de angelis wrote: > >> ehi Kim...weren't we talking about reliability??? Now it's not me!!! >> Sorry John, ask Gibson...they ARE SUPPOSED to help you. Italoop. > >Gibson may not be able to help here; the original question never stated >whether it was an original tape Echoplex or the EDP model. > right. John, if you are talking about the Gibson/Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro, then you can contact Shane Radtke at Gibson, , 1-800-544-2766 x206 or (847) 741-7315 x206. He'll fix you right up. But if you are talking about the old Echoplex tape delays, I have no idea. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 04:27:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA12223; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 04:26:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 04:26:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c023a4$3f3c50a0$af43e0d5@pandora.be> From: "Sound Mind" To: Subject: Re:sp202 memory Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:16:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01C023B5.0292C600" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C023B5.0292C600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the tips. BTW, I was going to use the sp to sample some loops made on the dl 4, = but now I've heard the cd that came along with the sp, I'll be using = that a lot too. Boy, am I going to need memory cards! ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C023B5.0292C600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the tips.
BTW, I was going to use the sp to = sample some loops=20 made on the dl 4, but now I've heard the cd that came along with the sp, = I'll be=20 using that a lot too.  Boy, am I going to need memory=20 cards!
------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C023B5.0292C600-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 07:04:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13156; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:02:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:02:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000921070830.007b52a0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:08:30 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Echo-plex repair In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:00 AM 9/21/00 -0700, you wrote: >But if you are talking about the old Echoplex tape delays, I have no idea. claims to specialize in tape 'plexi... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 08:48:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14094; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:47:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:47:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:46:07 -0400 Subject: Experimental Musical Instruments From: David Myers To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since several members of the list were interested in the 'Gravikord, Whirlies and Pyrophones' and 'Orbitones, Spoon Harps & Bellowphones' material, I want to pass on info about Experimental Musical Instruments, long a magazine and cassette tape champion of weird instruments and sounds. The GWP and OSH&B CDs are available at their website, and (most importantly!) there is a new CD, 'Experimental Musical Instruments-Early Years' which presents quite a variety of strange and beautiful sounds from 1985-1992. It is completely irrelevant that yours truly has contributed one of the 19 tracks!! Check it out at http://www.windworld.com/emi/index.htm Enjoy! david lee myers From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 08:52:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14211; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:51:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:51:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:50:17 EDT Subject: Re: Experimental Musical Instruments To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Resent-Message-ID: <7Trr.A.7dD.4Qgy5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Re: Experimental Musical Instruments.... go to Starr Labs custom controllers see Tap Guitar (Pat.Appl.for)... Regards, Wayne Wesley Johnson More info about WWJ, Ruben Romero & Wannadu,LLC: CD Baby: WAYNE WESLEY JOHNSON & RUBEN ROMERO: Hypnotic Safari - hear and buy it Independent Music Showcase: Wayne Wesley Johnson & Ruben Romero - Hypnotic Safari Guitar Nine Records - Johnson/Romero "Hypnotic Safari" Wayne Wesley Johnson's Home Page Ruben Romero's Website Wannadu, LLC P.O. Box 212 Oldwick, New Jersey 08858-0212 phone: 908.236.2900 fax: 908.236.2985 email: Wjguitar@aol.com website: http://www.wannadu.com Member AFIM / NAMM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 09:06:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14384; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:05:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:05:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <56.e6a3fd.26fb60d4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:02:12 EDT Subject: Re: Experimental Musical Instruments To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/21/00 8:46:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dmgraph@earthlink.net writes: << http://www.windworld.com/emi/index.htm >> I happened to see the Pick-up the World products being offered in the catalog section of this website..... It just so happens I received samples of these pickups last evening and tried them out....they are exceptional in tone / sound. Easy to install, they truly reproduce the acoustic sounds of the instrument..in my case a flamenco or classical guitar. I understand that they can also be used on an archtop guitar, between the bridge and saddle. I would recommend the use of a tube preamp between the pickup and mixer/amplifier, to boost level, and provide that warm natural sound. Other than that, it appears to be a very fine product. I'll use them. Regards, Wayne More info about WWJ, Ruben Romero & Wannadu,LLC: CD Baby: WAYNE WESLEY JOHNSON & RUBEN ROMERO: Hypnotic Safari - hear and buy it Independent Music Showcase: Wayne Wesley Johnson & Ruben Romero - Hypnotic Safari Guitar Nine Records - Johnson/Romero "Hypnotic Safari" Wayne Wesley Johnson's Home Page Ruben Romero's Website Wannadu, LLC P.O. Box 212 Oldwick, New Jersey 08858-0212 phone: 908.236.2900 fax: 908.236.2985 email: Wjguitar@aol.com website: http://www.wannadu.com Member AFIM / NAMM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 10:02:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15004; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:00:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:00:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:57:32 EDT Subject: boomerang upgrade To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry.....it was a 10 page manual, not 20......didnt want to get everyone excited........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 10:38:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15575; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:37:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:37:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39C6D6D0.3F6BD148@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:00:32 -0700 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-5MqyD.A.-yD.Jzhy5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com noah wrote: > > Right then. We've got 26 people so far, and the kind folks at Alto Music > have offered to support our orgy of consumerism. Remember, if you want in, > email > > repeater@braincramp.org > > with your Full Name, and an amusing comment (not required, but > appreciated.) > > -><- boys If you only knew whats in the next plex upgrade hu hu hu Claude 8=) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 10:58:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15955; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:56:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:56:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <06ff01c023db$761c4cb0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <000201c02391$8416f120$ab936fd4@y5w2s5> Subject: performance at Chapter Arts' Centre Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:51:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <-UiZ4B.A.J5D.nFiy5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gareth, > Incidentally, I'm playing live with Kyma and my new , (secondhand) laptop on... >...maybe I > should record it, (It's sort of freeform world jazz stuff.) >... Please do! If you're interested, I'll trade recordings. I don't have any current looping performances (been too busy writing looper code lately) but I have an improv performance (with some looping) from my group "Trans-Sonic Music". Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 11:28:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16481; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:27:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:27:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Repeater Group Buy Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:24:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-reply-to: <39C6D6D0.3F6BD148@vtx.ch> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Come on... The next Echoplex upgrade for sure is only software and it will not cost $700. ...Right, Kim? | -----Original Message----- | From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] | Sent: Monday 18 September 2000 8:01 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy | | | noah wrote: | > | > Right then. We've got 26 people so far, and the kind folks at | Alto Music... | boys | If you only knew whats in the next plex upgrade | | hu hu hu | | Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 11:53:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17025; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:52:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:52:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:46:39 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <03b601c023e3$2190cce0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <39C6D6D0.3F6BD148@vtx.ch> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well let's hear it. what's in the next edp upgrade? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claude Voit" To: Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 10:00 PM Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy > noah wrote: > > > > Right then. We've got 26 people so far, and the kind folks at Alto Music > > have offered to support our orgy of consumerism. Remember, if you want in, > > email > > > > repeater@braincramp.org > > > > with your Full Name, and an amusing comment (not required, but > > appreciated.) > > > > -><- > > boys > If you only knew whats in the next plex upgrade > > hu hu hu > > Claude > > 8=) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 12:48:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17842; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:47:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:47:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.172.64] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:43:44 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2000 16:43:45.0177 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B7BF890:01C023EB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: jim palmer >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:46:39 -0500 > >well let's hear it. >what's in the next edp upgrade? > > >>What's really irritating is keeping to get some dark & misterious little >>chunls of info on what EDP is supposed to become! ! ! So way these smart engineers don't tell us more about this "mutation"? Damon teaches! ! ! That's the way to go...we're waiting! ITALO _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 14:15:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19040; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:13:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:13:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:44:24 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Repeater Group Buy In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <39C6D6D0.3F6BD148@vtx.ch> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can confidently say it is software and will not cost $700. ;-) but Claude does have good reason to be excited. kim >Come on... The next Echoplex upgrade for sure is only software and it will >not cost $700. ...Right, Kim? > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] > | Sent: Monday 18 September 2000 8:01 PM > | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > | Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy > | > | > | noah wrote: > | > > | > Right then. We've got 26 people so far, and the kind folks at > | Alto Music... > > | boys > | If you only knew whats in the next plex upgrade > | > | hu hu hu > | > | Claude ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 14:47:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19637; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:45:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:45:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:14:25 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:43 AM -0700 9/21/00, italo de angelis wrote: >>From: jim palmer >>well let's hear it. >>what's in the next edp upgrade? >> >> >What's really irritating is keeping to get some dark & misterious little >chunls of info on what EDP is supposed to become! ! ! >So way these smart engineers don't tell us more about this "mutation"? >Damon teaches! ! ! That's the way to go...we're waiting! ITALO well Italo, do you always sneak in and open your presents before it is time? We've been teaching you for years, and we've dropped soooo many hints. Were you not paying attention? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 15:02:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19895; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:00:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:00:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:42:07 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <03d201c023fb$a50f2310$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <39C6D6D0.3F6BD148@vtx.ch> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com comon. what? when? why the top secret agent prisoner village routine? we want information. -#6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 12:44 PM Subject: RE: Repeater Group Buy > I can confidently say it is software and will not cost $700. ;-) > > but Claude does have good reason to be excited. > kim > > >Come on... The next Echoplex upgrade for sure is only software and it will > >not cost $700. ...Right, Kim? > > > > | -----Original Message----- > > | From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] > > | Sent: Monday 18 September 2000 8:01 PM > > | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > | Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy > > | > > | > > | noah wrote: > > | > > > | > Right then. We've got 26 people so far, and the kind folks at > > | Alto Music... > > > > | boys > > | If you only knew whats in the next plex upgrade > > | > > | hu hu hu > > | > > | Claude > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 15:20:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20211; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:18:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:18:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c02400$8ead5ce0$ac83abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: "Loop" Subject: NY & SF live perfomances Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:13:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C02410.DA0F8220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C02410.DA0F8220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody, To those who may be interested I will be in U.S. with the friend = Roberto Zorzi who is going to have one gig in NY and one in SF. Roberto is a deep improvvisational guitarist using loops (see his = biography on LD's "LOOPERS OF THE WORLD") New York:=20 Wednesday, sept. 27 - at 8 & 10:00pm, $10=20 at TONIC CLUB Elliott Sharp,=20 Roberto Zorzi,=20 Joey Baron. "On the eve of their recording session for the Auditorium label, join = Joey Baron and Elliott Sharp for an improvised meeting with Italian = guitarist Roberto Zorzi. Zorzi's most recent recording was a duo session = with Henry Kaiser. His previous group, NAD, released one CD with guests = Fred Frith, Sonny Sharrock, Christian Marclay, Kaiser, Zeena Parkins, = and E#.=20 Tonic is located at 107 Norfolk Street between Delancey and Rivington in = Manhattan's Lower East Side. You can take the F train to Delancey Street = or the J/M/Z trains to Essex Street. Walk along Delancey towards the = Williamsburg bridge and take your first left onto Norfolk. "=20 San Francisco:=20 Sunday, oct. 1 - 8.00 pm.=20 Free Concert at WOODY WOODNAN'S FINGER PLACE 903 Cedar St., Berkeley, CA. =20 Gregg Goodman, piano Henry Kaiser, guitar Roberto Zorzi, guitar Happy to see you there. Luca =20 ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C02410.DA0F8220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi everybody,
To those who may be interested I will = be in U.S.=20 with the  friend Roberto Zorzi who is going to have one gig = in NY and=20 one in SF.
Roberto is a deep improvvisational guitarist using = loops (see=20 his biography on LD's "LOOPERS OF THE WORLD")
 
New York: =
Wednesday, sept. 27 - at 8 = & 10:00pm,=20 $10
at TONIC = CLUB
 
Elliott Sharp, =
Roberto Zorzi, =
Joey Baron.

"On the eve of their = recording session=20 for the Auditorium label, join Joey Baron and Elliott Sharp for an = improvised=20 meeting with Italian guitarist Roberto Zorzi. Zorzi's most recent = recording was=20 a duo session with Henry Kaiser. His previous group, NAD, released one = CD with=20 guests Fred Frith, Sonny Sharrock, Christian Marclay, Kaiser, Zeena = Parkins, and=20 E#.

Tonic is located at 107 Norfolk Street between = Delancey and=20 Rivington in Manhattan's Lower East Side. You can take the F train to = Delancey=20 Street or the J/M/Z trains to Essex Street. Walk along Delancey towards = the=20 Williamsburg bridge and take your first left onto Norfolk. "

 
San Francisco:=20
Sunday, oct. 1 - 8.00 pm.=20
Free Concert
at WOODY = WOODNAN'S FINGER=20 PLACE
903 Cedar St., Berkeley, CA.
 
Gregg Goodman, piano
Henry Kaiser,=20 guitar
Roberto Zorzi, = guitar

 
Happy to see you = there.
Luca

 
<= /DIV> ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C02410.DA0F8220-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 15:22:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20357; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:21:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:21:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39CADE26.B9DA973F@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:20:54 -0700 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP update Group Buy References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint wrote: > well Italo, do you always sneak in and open your presents before it is time? > > We've been teaching you for years, and we've dropped soooo many hints. Were > you not paying attention? > do not forget that as R is not out yet the only people you heard speaking of the R have a good reasons to have biased opinions (with a lot of respect of what Electric does) they are as Kim tied to the absolute secret of their holly Quest... now the reason of my provocative post is the fact that 26 people have already decided to spend almost 700$ on a product nobody that can speak has seen, heard, used. I did that once; never again. Thats also a reason I took on my free time the EDP wagon; by firing ideas and beta testing. So it'll be like I and you can use it without a glitch for any stupid,crazy,creative, way you like. I'll wait and play Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 15:26:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20513; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:25:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:25:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39CA60CA.959E4336@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:26:02 -0700 From: Jim Poppen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1oUmTB.A.t_E.NBmy5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Italo, You really should look up "patience" in "Bartlett's Familiar Quotations." Here's one entry, said by De Buffon: "Genius is nothing but a greater aptitude for patience." Or how about what the "patience of Job" can teach us? :-) There has been plenty of talk on this list about some of the new features we'll see in the next EDP upgrade, granted most of this was a while ago. Use the list's search engine to find those new features, at http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma/LDarchive or maybe someone with a better memory than me can do a recap. Kim is one of the better "teachers" I've ever come across and was the one, along with Matthais, who "teaches" us what the EDP *can* do and some of what the upgrade *will* do. Italo, I guess i'm mostly curious about this: Why do you have such frenzied enthusiasm for a piece of gear that hasn't even shipped yet? The Repeater looks like it's gonna be a cool tool for some applications, but that's all I can say right now because not one Repeater has been sold yet (at least not to my knowledge, Damon. :-)). Jim italo de angelis wrote: > > >well let's hear it. > >what's in the next edp upgrade? > > > > > >>What's really irritating is keeping to get some dark & misterious little > >>chunls of info on what EDP is supposed to become! ! ! > So way these smart engineers don't tell us more about this "mutation"? > Damon teaches! ! ! That's the way to go...we're waiting! ITALO > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 15:33:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20709; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:32:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:32:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39CAE088.3845FECF@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:31:04 -0700 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy References: <39C6D6D0.3F6BD148@vtx.ch> <03d201c023fb$a50f2310$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jim palmer wrote: > > comon. > what? > when? > why the top secret agent prisoner village routine? > we want information. > > -#6 > the 2 Eprom chip have 28 legs in the mean time try that some original EDP upgrade code S004000048B3 S10500020000F8 S10500000000FA S1130800F900907C00CE7CFFF4FC00FF00FC00FFAC S1130810ECFC00FFF2FCD0B9003C3C1441F856005B S1130820F900FF00045E75B90064B900CCB900900A S11308305E755600F900FFEC045E75005071082ED9 S1130840FC8786024146FC755600E7FEFC9F02A029 S1130850FC0002C0FC000240FC2502A03C083CCB8A S113086071CEFCFC0D02A0CFECFC9902A07C020628 wait somebody entered the garden NOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo c. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 15:35:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20816; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:34:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:34:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000921142537.00ef6b70@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:33:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: EDP update Group Buy In-Reply-To: <39CADE26.B9DA973F@vtx.ch> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude Voit (11:20 PM 09.21.2000) wrote: >Kim Flint wrote: > >> well Italo, do you always sneak in and open your presents before it is >> time? >> >> We've been teaching you for years, and we've dropped soooo many hints. Were >> you not paying attention? > >do not forget that as R is not out yet the only people you heard >speaking of the R >have a good reasons to have biased opinions (with a lot of respect of >what Electric does) they are as Kim tied to the absolute secret of their >holly Quest... but... Electrix has published a good amount of information on what Repeater is spec'd to do. All in one place, and without having to deduce the projected feature set from hints. As someone that's been pushing, supporting and even defending Repeater since late July, I'd like to know at least the spec'd feature set for EDP ++. :) >now the reason of my provocative post is the fact that 26 people have >already decided to spend almost 700$ on a product nobody that can speak >has seen, heard, used. Yeup. It's a bunch of folks jumping in on faith. I buy probably 97% of my gear sight unseen. I've been burned too, but I've gotten smarter and have developed a better sense of reading between the lines. People are different... But, folks are also asking for more up-front information on what EDP ++ will be... Maybe they _will_ wait and see what comes of it. Or, maybe they won't. But they are in fact trying to be informed impulse buyers. :) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 15:43:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21024; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:41:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:41:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Merseybeet@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:40:25 EDT Subject: edp upgrade? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <5d.ee49a1.26fbbe29@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well as one of the very few echoplex endorsers... i am interested in the repeater because my echoplex has ben totally unreliable and gibson's repair policy is so incredibly lame... there is no certified repair station except their own and your are completely at their mercy. no offence, but i don't play in my basement (although i hear many folks make great music there...) but doing a live radio show being broadcast on 250 radios stations and having the plex decide that today is not a working day... well... it just don't cut it. i'm interested in anything that i can fly (in a very expensive shock mount flight case) around the world and have it actually work when i get there. is that so wrong? monk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 15:47:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21145; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:45:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:45:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Merseybeet@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:44:19 EDT Subject: Re: edp upgrade? and annuder thing To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <66.79ef123.26fbbf13@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8nnw9D.A.KKF.zUmy5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com one more little piece of sand in the ointment. as an endorser of the EDP, i would have thought that i would have been polled about my experience with it, it's shortcomings and strengths... but i wasn't... was anyone else? peace monk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 16:19:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22307; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:18:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:18:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c02408$f977f320$ac83abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: "Loop" Subject: I: Repeater Group Buy Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:31:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com One of the most important marketing rules is that no product can exist until potential customers are informed about it and its power is in direct proportion to the information. I understand the attraction of being subversive to rules but, please Kim, resist to this temptation. Or, at least, tell us a date where the magic potion will be revealed. I cannot play hide and seek at my age. lu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 16:33:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22571; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:32:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:32:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F9132A34@mail.davitt-hanser.com> From: Todd Quincy To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: monk? was edp upgrade? Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:34:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > monk is this Rich or another monk Todd Quincy BC Rich, Kustom, PowerWerks, Davitt & Hanser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 16:36:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22677; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:35:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:35:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <07bf01c0240a$c0a9f2d0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <39C6D6D0.3F6BD148@vtx.ch> <03d201c023fb$a50f2310$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:30:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > why the top secret agent prisoner village routine? > we want information. (etc.) Headline: Pending Product Release Prompts Prodigious Promises, Pries Other Tongues Loose Hmmmm, an emerging pattern here...the bigger the promise, the less the information.... Damon Langlois - REPEATER: Product sounds great! talks a lot, lot of pictures Kim Flint EDP: Claude implies great, great things; as does Kim talks little, no pix Dennis Leas (yes, I plan to offer some toys for Kyma) ??: incredible stuff, believe me (nod, nod, wink, wink) talked once (like now), no pix my friend Joe ?: ? - something so, good, he never says ANYTHING to anybody, not even to me! no talk, no pix my other friend ?: ? - must be the ultimate, soo good, he never even THINKS about it no talk , no pix, no thought What did somebody post about patience? (And what did John Drake say in The Prisoner? "I am not a number! I am a sample!" :) Dennis (it oughta be Friday) Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 16:41:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22819; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:40:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:40:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Merseybeet@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:38:28 EDT Subject: RE: monk? was edp upgrade? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <13.b0f0a34.26fbcbc5@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it's rich.. errr.. why? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 17:50:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24062; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:49:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:49:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <97.aeeecf2.26fbdbf4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:47:32 EDT Subject: OT: Re: NY & SF live perfomances To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com luca, i may be working in nyc, myself ---working on joe henry's new record--- for that performance @ tonic. you gonna be there? let me know. best, dt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 19:34:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25590; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:33:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:33:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.173.233] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:32:28 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2000 23:32:28.0546 (UTC) FILETIME=[348D1E20:01C02424] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry Kim, you never did teach me much in these years, but some snobbish engineer attitude...keep talking about loopers, forgetting the reason of it all...where is music here? Did we forget about it? or it's only about boxes' features...others though did teach me in schools and privately, S.Henderson, J. Diorio, M. Goodrick, M.Stern, J.Abercrombie, W.Krantz, B. Connors, S. Khan. T.Greene, C.Banacos...no Flint!!! take care Italo >From: Kim Flint >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:14:25 -0700 > >At 11:43 AM -0700 9/21/00, italo de angelis wrote: > >>From: jim palmer > >>well let's hear it. > >>what's in the next edp upgrade? > >> > >> > >What's really irritating is keeping to get some dark & misterious little > >chunls of info on what EDP is supposed to become! ! ! > >So way these smart engineers don't tell us more about this "mutation"? > >Damon teaches! ! ! That's the way to go...we're waiting! ITALO > >well Italo, do you always sneak in and open your presents before it is >time? > >We've been teaching you for years, and we've dropped soooo many hints. Were >you not paying attention? > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 19:45:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25788; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:44:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:44:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.173.233] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:43:14 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2000 23:43:14.0547 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5990C30:01C02425] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jim I have no "frenzied enthusiasm" for anything that I didn't put my ears and hands on yet! In the very last postings I did mention that Electrixpro'd better do their homework right, 'cause if it sucks, lots of people will know it, also thru my personal rewiev on press...maybe we all don't trust companies that much anymore! Maybe because of boxes that have been showing lots of problems to lots of users in the last 8 years!... Can you name ONE of that kind? I have a good one for you...do you want to know it? ciao Italo >From: Jim Poppen >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:26:02 -0700 > >Italo, > >You really should look up "patience" in "Bartlett's Familiar >Quotations." Here's one entry, said by De Buffon: "Genius is nothing but >a greater aptitude for patience." Or how about what the "patience of >Job" can teach us? :-) > >There has been plenty of talk on this list about some of the new >features we'll see in the next EDP upgrade, granted most of this was a >while ago. Use the list's search engine to find those new features, at >http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma/LDarchive >or maybe someone with a better memory than me can do a recap. > >Kim is one of the better "teachers" I've ever come across and was the >one, along with Matthais, who "teaches" us what the EDP *can* do and >some of what the upgrade *will* do. > >Italo, I guess i'm mostly curious about this: Why do you have such >frenzied enthusiasm for a piece of gear that hasn't even shipped yet? >The Repeater looks like it's gonna be a cool tool for some applications, >but that's all I can say right now because not one Repeater has been >sold yet (at least not to my knowledge, Damon. :-)). > >Jim > > > >italo de angelis wrote: > > > > >well let's hear it. > > >what's in the next edp upgrade? > > > > > > > > >>What's really irritating is keeping to get some dark & misterious >little > > >>chunls of info on what EDP is supposed to become! ! ! > > So way these smart engineers don't tell us more about this "mutation"? > > Damon teaches! ! ! That's the way to go...we're waiting! ITALO > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 19:49:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25900; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:48:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:48:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.173.233] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP update Group Buy Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:47:17 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2000 23:47:18.0227 (UTC) FILETIME=[46D7AA30:01C02426] Resent-Message-ID: <5IlE4D.A.YUG.i4py5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's right, Mark...yours are words of wisdom. ITALO >From: Mark Pulver >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: EDP update Group Buy >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:33:38 -0500 > >Claude Voit (11:20 PM 09.21.2000) wrote: > > >Kim Flint wrote: > > > >> well Italo, do you always sneak in and open your presents before it is > >> time? > >> > >> We've been teaching you for years, and we've dropped soooo many hints. >Were > >> you not paying attention? > > > >do not forget that as R is not out yet the only people you heard > >speaking of the R > >have a good reasons to have biased opinions (with a lot of respect of > >what Electric does) they are as Kim tied to the absolute secret of their > >holly Quest... > >but... > >Electrix has published a good amount of information on what Repeater is >spec'd to do. All in one place, and without having to deduce the projected >feature set from hints. > >As someone that's been pushing, supporting and even defending Repeater >since late July, I'd like to know at least the spec'd feature set for EDP >++. :) > > > >now the reason of my provocative post is the fact that 26 people have > >already decided to spend almost 700$ on a product nobody that can speak > >has seen, heard, used. > >Yeup. It's a bunch of folks jumping in on faith. I buy probably 97% of my >gear sight unseen. I've been burned too, but I've gotten smarter and have >developed a better sense of reading between the lines. > >People are different... But, folks are also asking for more up-front >information on what EDP ++ will be... Maybe they _will_ wait and see what >comes of it. Or, maybe they won't. > >But they are in fact trying to be informed impulse buyers. :) > > >Mark > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 19:52:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25997; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:50:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:50:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.173.233] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: edp upgrade? Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:49:21 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2000 23:49:21.0770 (UTC) FILETIME=[907AD4A0:01C02426] Resent-Message-ID: <4nAojC.A.7VG.d6py5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Need the same me too, monk! right on there! ciao italo >From: Merseybeet@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: edp upgrade? >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:40:25 EDT > >well as one of the very few echoplex endorsers... i am interested in the >repeater because my echoplex has ben totally unreliable and gibson's repair >policy is so incredibly lame... there is no certified repair station except >their own and your are completely at their mercy. no offence, but i don't >play in my basement (although i hear many folks make great music there...) >but doing a live radio show being broadcast on 250 radios stations and >having the plex decide that today is not a working day... well... it just >don't cut it. > i'm interested in anything that i can fly (in a very expensive shock >mount flight case) around the world and have it actually work when i get >there. is that so wrong? > >monk > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 19:55:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26107; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:54:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:54:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.173.233] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:53:48 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2000 23:53:48.0348 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F5F67C0:01C02427] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool set-up Dennis! Thanx for the diagrams and for, again, your wise words...italo >From: "Dennis W. Leas" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:30:16 -0500 > > > why the top secret agent prisoner village routine? > > we want information. >(etc.) > >Headline: Pending Product Release Prompts Prodigious Promises, Pries Other >Tongues Loose > >Hmmmm, an emerging pattern here...the bigger the promise, the less the >information.... > >Damon Langlois - > REPEATER: Product sounds great! > talks a lot, lot of pictures > >Kim Flint > EDP: Claude implies great, great things; as does Kim > talks little, no pix > >Dennis Leas (yes, I plan to offer some toys for Kyma) > ??: incredible stuff, believe me (nod, nod, wink, wink) > talked once (like now), no pix > >my friend Joe > ?: ? - something so, good, he never says ANYTHING to anybody, not even >to >me! > no talk, no pix > >my other friend > ?: ? - must be the ultimate, soo good, he never even THINKS about it > no talk , no pix, no thought > >What did somebody post about patience? > >(And what did John Drake say in The Prisoner? "I am not a number! I am a >sample!" :) > >Dennis (it oughta be Friday) Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 20:25:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26680; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:23:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:23:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:23:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Sorry Kim, you never did teach me much in these years, but some >snobbish engineer attitude...keep talking about loopers, forgetting >the reason of it all...where is music here? Did we forget about it? >or it's only about boxes' features...others though did teach me in >schools and privately, S.Henderson, J. Diorio, M. Goodrick, M.Stern, >J.Abercrombie, W.Krantz, B. Connors, S. Khan. T.Greene, >C.Banacos...no Flint!!! > take care Italo you're both snobs, IMO. what does this little bitch fight really accomplish? y'all sound like schoolgirls... italo, slamming kim about "it's only about boxes' features..." is definitely calling the kettle black. you and your Orville posts are dripping with feature-laden techno-babble. and name dropping your 'who's who' list to take another stab isn't exactly endearing... all this over the Repeater? (just another 'box', right?..."where's the music here?") cmon, Damon, wanna join in the mudfight? yeeeahaaa! rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 20:44:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26983; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:43:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:43:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.173.233] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 02:42:12 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2000 00:42:13.0142 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2C3CB60:01C0242D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sometimes you have to do this lame job, too. What instrument do you play, rich? curious,,,italo >From: rich >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:23:26 -0700 > >>Sorry Kim, you never did teach me much in these years, but some >>snobbish engineer attitude...keep talking about loopers, forgetting >>the reason of it all...where is music here? Did we forget about it? >>or it's only about boxes' features...others though did teach me in >>schools and privately, S.Henderson, J. Diorio, M. Goodrick, M.Stern, >>J.Abercrombie, W.Krantz, B. Connors, S. Khan. T.Greene, >>C.Banacos...no Flint!!! >> take care Italo > > >you're both snobs, IMO. what does this little bitch fight really >accomplish? y'all sound like schoolgirls... > >italo, slamming kim about "it's only about boxes' features..." is >definitely calling the kettle black. you and your Orville posts are >dripping with feature-laden techno-babble. > >and name dropping your 'who's who' list to take another stab isn't >exactly endearing... > >all this over the Repeater? (just another 'box', right?..."where's >the music here?") > >cmon, Damon, wanna join in the mudfight? yeeeahaaa! > >rich > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 20:53:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27203; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:52:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:52:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:50:59 -0700 Subject: Looping Gig in Seattle (Tiktok), 9/24/00 From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll be doing a solo looping gig this Sunday (the 24th) between 9 and 11PM at Cafe Venus (609 Eastlake Avenue), in Seattle, Washington. There's no cover charge, and they serve excellent soup (for which there is a charge). Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Tiktok -- Tiktok, Seattle's premier one-man improvisational band. homepage: http://home.sprintmail.com/~tiktok/index.html www.mp3.com/tiktok From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 21:02:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27368; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:01:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:01:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:00:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <505ro.A.XrG.H9qy5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >sometimes you have to do this lame job, too. >What instrument do you play, rich? >curious,,,italo No, i don't understand. What 'lame job' are you referring to that i 'have to do'? Guitar is my primary instrument, but I consider myself a songwriter and soundscape generator mostly. so i also sing and play some bass, keys, hammered dulcimer, drum patterns/songs via drum machines, and a bit of found sound/sampling more recently, as well as considering looping and sound processing 'instruments' to a degree. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 21:04:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27495; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:04:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:04:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:03:09 EDT Subject: Re: Looping Gig in Seattle (Tiktok), 9/24/00 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/21/00 11:52:08 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, tiktok@sprintmail.com writes: << they serve excellent soup >> whats this got to do with the edp/repeater wars?.........:).........good luck travis!......are you going to record the gig?............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 21:16:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27731; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:15:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:15:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 02:15:20 +0100 Subject: Re: performance at Chapter Arts' Centre From: "Martin Shellard" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gareth I live near Chapter, would it be ok if I came to the gig on the 27th and had a look at your Kyma system? Martin Shellard ---------- >From: "Dennis W. Leas" >To: >Subject: performance at Chapter Arts' Centre >Date: Thu, Sep 21, 2000, 3:51 pm > > Gareth, > >> Incidentally, I'm playing live with Kyma and my new , (secondhand) laptop > on... >>...maybe I >> should record it, (It's sort of freeform world jazz stuff.) >>... > > Please do! If you're interested, I'll trade recordings. I don't have any > current looping performances (been too busy writing looper code lately) but I > have an improv performance (with some looping) from my group "Trans-Sonic > Music". > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 21:30:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28014; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:29:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:29:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:28:11 -0700 Subject: Re: EDP update Group Buy [Claude Voit vs. The Repeater] From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude says: >now the reason of my provocative post is the fact that 26 people have >already decided to spend almost 700$ on a product nobody that can speak >has seen, heard, used. >I did that once; never again. Thats also a reason I took on my free time >the EDP wagon; by firing ideas and beta testing. So it'll be like I and >you can use it without a glitch for any stupid,crazy,creative, way you >like. >I'll wait >and play >Claude As one of the 26 who's decided to spend *considerably* less than $700 (that's why they call it a group buy *discount*, call Alto yourself if you want the details), I have no fear of being burnt. If the thing's a worthless piece of shit, I'll send it back and get my money back. I can't imagine it being massively flawed. I've used the other Electrix stuff, and it's solid gear. I've owned all of the main loopers from the last decade or so (except the JamMan, but I know many people who own them), and I'm unaware of any of them which would qualify as critically flawed. They do what they're designed to do by any reasonable standards. Offhand, the most major glitch I can think of was the first version of the EDP software, which had a tendency to add a "pop" sound after a loop had been reversed for a while. There were some other minor bugs, but those (and the reverse glitch) were addressed in the updated software which has been shipping and available as a retrofit for YEARS now. All of these devices were bought without me having played through them first. You can't figure out much by doinking on something in a music store for fifteen minutes anyway. Travis Hartnett -- Tiktok, Seattle's premier one-man improvisational band. homepage: http://home.sprintmail.com/~tiktok/index.html www.mp3.com/tiktok From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 21:40:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28146; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:39:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:39:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39CA7233.16532898@texas.net> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:40:19 +0000 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping Gig in Seattle (Tiktok), 9/24/00 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com we miss tiktiok in tekxas. xxxoo bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 21:57:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28458; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:56:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:56:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:56:35 -0400 Subject: The Repeater From: Doug Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There is a very cool ad on the Repeater in the November 2000 Guitar Player. It looks very impressive indeed. I will be checking this out when it comes out for sure! _________________________________ Doug Miller Illustrator / Graphic Designer http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 21 23:10:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30125; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:09:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:09:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <37.a8047d4.26fc270c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:07:56 EDT Subject: boomerang update To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a few quick observations: 1) the sound quality at 24KHz is very nice, i had always liked the sound at the original 16KHz, there is more happening at 24, a little less muddy, more highs and a bit crisper.......its nice to have both! 2) the latching stack button.........what more needs to be said about that!.......i dont have to clone a new foot 3) likewise disableing the record button is very cool, no more lost loops 4) being able to go down a 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th, and octave is nice, i havent figured out if i can record a loop then drop it a 2nd and then stack a new loop on top then go back to the original speed the drop all of that down say a 4th...........does that make any sense?.......... 5) infinite delay indeed nice (no attenuation) but having the option to pick 20-12-9-6-4 or 1 delay is a treat........ i havent yet investigated the A/B loop stuff ........... a report will be forthcoming........in all, i am a bit frustrated not knowing all the moves yet (its only been one nite) the old rang was second nature, the up-grade makes it a different beast........add to that the new stuff i picked up with the zoom 2100 plus the joy of having my rang back, i was not being a good reporter, i got caught up in making the really "big" noise............i have a good bit of learning to do, i hope some other rang folk take the plunge and we can share notes..........im sure i will have some questions...........i would like to thank MIKE NELSON and the folks at BOOMERANG MUSICAL PRODUCTS for making an excellent instument even better...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 00:01:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30890; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:00:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:00:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000921225149.01c465a0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:54:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich (07:23 PM 09.21.2000) wrote: >cmon, Damon, wanna join in the mudfight? yeeeahaaa! Just an FYI in all this... Damon (and most of the rest of Electrix) is/are in Los Angeles from now through Monday at the AES convention. So if anyone is looking for input from Damon into this banter, or for anything else, hang on... They're a bit busy showing off the state of Repeater. :) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 00:19:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31253; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:18:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:18:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:20:06 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: GOODLOOP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com James Musser GODBOX idea fascinates me. The thing that does everything... The GOODLOOP would be the starting point. Maybe we can make a machine that can do everything related to looping, in some years... But we dont want it just to loop. Once it has a DSP it shall do all kinds of effects and once it can record loops, it should be able to record everithing and thus should be able to mix and to add MIDI sounds and an analog synth maybe and it should have fingers to play guitar loops on some strings while we play solo on others and once it turns into a robot it will be able to tune the guitar and change the strings and build the guitar and thus build anything, evoluting beyond the GODBOX, slowly aproximating GOD... wew, so much work to do... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 00:35:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31618; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:34:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:34:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:36:10 -0700 Subject: Re: GOODLOOP From: Andrew Pask To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9y23c.A.5tH.tEuy5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > But we dont want it just to loop. Once it has a DSP it shall do all > kinds of effects and once it can record loops, it should be able to > record everithing and thus should be able to mix and to add MIDI > sounds and an analog synth maybe and it should have fingers to play > guitar loops on some strings while we play solo on others and once it > turns into a robot it will be able to tune the guitar and change the > strings and build the guitar and thus build anything, evoluting > beyond the GODBOX, slowly aproximating GOD... > ....and as we finally reach the end of all our years of research and toil we shall end up creating the ultimate musical device, the greatest intsrument ever built by man, part Echoplex,Jamman,Eventide ,kyma, max, a little bit of Stratocaster- whatever, this baby is gonna blow them all away.In mind I can see it now, a musical instrument so perfect that it plays itself perfectly, the most perfect piece of music ever played.I can almost feel the plastic wrap float away as I wrench it out of the box it comes in to plug it into the wall socket and fire it up.Through the crystal ball of time I can see my hand reach out to the start button and push it.......... and it plays "Stairway to Heaven". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 00:55:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31967; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:53:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:53:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.227.130.173] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 04:52:08 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2000 04:52:08.0076 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC7124C0:01C02450] Resent-Message-ID: <1JbXJD.A.MzH.TWuy5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Take your attitude somewhere else Italo...Rant on!!! >From: "italo de angelis" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy >Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:32:28 CEST > >Sorry Kim, you never did teach me much in these years, but some snobbish >engineer attitude...keep talking about loopers, forgetting the reason of it >all...where is music here? Did we forget about it? or it's only about >boxes' >features...others though did teach me in schools and privately, >S.Henderson, >J. Diorio, M. Goodrick, M.Stern, J.Abercrombie, W.Krantz, B. Connors, S. >Khan. T.Greene, C.Banacos...no Flint!!! > take care Italo > > >>From: Kim Flint >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy >>Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:14:25 -0700 >> >>At 11:43 AM -0700 9/21/00, italo de angelis wrote: >> >>From: jim palmer >> >>well let's hear it. >> >>what's in the next edp upgrade? >> >> >> >> >> >What's really irritating is keeping to get some dark & misterious little >> >chunls of info on what EDP is supposed to become! ! ! >> >So way these smart engineers don't tell us more about this "mutation"? >> >Damon teaches! ! ! That's the way to go...we're waiting! ITALO >> >>well Italo, do you always sneak in and open your presents before it is >>time? >> >>We've been teaching you for years, and we've dropped soooo many hints. >>Were >>you not paying attention? >> >>kim >> >>______________________________________________________________________ >>Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >>kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com >> >> > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 03:42:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA00761; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 03:40:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 03:40:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <30E955A829F8D311A447006097C83E7909C54C@GOOFY> From: StephanN To: "'whiteoakstudios'" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: AW: Organizing Looping Festivals Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:40:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id DAA00724 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, that would be a nice idea. actually I know some places in cologne, germany, europe (my homebase) where this could happen - maybe could arrange things in brussels, belgium and berlin too. I have some expirience in promoting concerts. I think most list members are living and working in the states, so logistics may be a problem. maybe it's possible to raise some money from the city. my idea is to organize events around the world, in all the list members resident countries - everybody plays everywhere. everybody please stand up and tell the list about your possibilities in your homebase - let's do the networking thing... :-)(cool name for a 21st century dance, isn't it?) and promote each other. I'm applying for my own brand new group (still unnamed but ready to take of in about a mounth or so), improvisation based, danceable kind of music looking forward to hear from you stephan www.stephanneetenbeek.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: whiteoakstudios [mailto:whiteoakstudios@supanet.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. September 2000 23:13 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Organizing Looping Festivals YES! Gareth Incidentally, I'm playing live with Kyma and my new , (secondhand) laptop on 27th September at Chapter Arts' Centre, Wales, UK at the Diggers' club. I know most of you can't make the necessary transatlantic journey - maybe I should record it, (It's sort of freeform world jazz stuff.) Anyone who makes it gets a free pint form me! Hey, this is starting to sound desperate :) G ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 7:46 AM Subject: Organizing Looping Festivals > I'm wondering if people want to do Looping festivals in their area? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 08:05:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02502; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:03:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:03:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c0248c$8b6be7e0$5a3c5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #183 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 07:58:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <1yhdTC.A.1m.Op0y5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #183 September 21, 2000. On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the E-Live 2000 festival. The feature CD at Midnight was "Pointless Reminder" by Free System Projekt (a.k.a. Marcel Engels) on the Quantum label. I also played the music of Dweller at the Threshold and Synthetic Block who will be performing at the next Gathering. E-Live 2000 http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/playlists/2000/focus00.html#sep The Gathering http://wdiyfm.org/emusic/events.html ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Synthetic Block Eardrum Synthetic Block (Mindspore) Dave Fulton Particle Reversal Hard Particles (Eurock) Dave Fulton Discarded Time Hard Particles (Eurock) Dave Fulton Neutrons at Rest Hard Particles (Eurock) Mychael Danna and Hyenas Another Sun (Chacra Alternative) Tim Clement Michael Stearns and Flyers Sorcerer (Spotted Peccary) Ron Sunsinger ARC Relay Radio Sputnik (DiN) Lambert Soaring Flight Mirror of Motions (Spheric) 12:00 am Free System Projekt Substance Pointless Reminder (Quantum) Free System Projekt Amalthea Pointless Reminder (Quantum) Free System Projekt Coal Sack Pointless Reminder (Quantum) Free System Projekt Faraday Pointless Reminder (Quantum) Free System Projekt Distance Pointless Reminder (Quantum) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on the the E-Live 2000 festival in Veldhoven, the Netherlands. The feature CD at midnight will be "Vine, Bark & Spore" by Steve Roach and Jorge Reyes on the Timeroom Editions label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 10:28:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03536; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:53:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:53:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:48:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Pafford X-Sender: todd@galen.local.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: boomerang update In-Reply-To: <37.a8047d4.26fc270c@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > a few quick observations: ... Hey, thanks for the report and keep them coming. I'm itching to upgrade my 'Rang, but in the meantime I'd like to hear opinions. :) --- "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake Todd Pafford galen@erols.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 11:11:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04475; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:04:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:04:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c024a6$c9760560$91926fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: Subject: Re: performance at Chapter Arts' Centre Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 07:10:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Of course - I'd like to think you'd want to listen to some music too :) - (damn, does that mean I have to buy you a pint? - and there was I, confidently NOT expecting anyone to show up :) Seriously though you're very welcome. Just ask for the diggers' club at reception and open your mind for some pretty bizzarre goings on! It starts about 8 - 8.30 ish so get there earlier so I can show you the system. Gareth > Gareth > I live near Chapter, would it be ok if I came to the gig on the 27th and had > a look at your Kyma system? > > Martin Shellard > > > ---------- > >From: "Dennis W. Leas" > >To: > >Subject: performance at Chapter Arts' Centre > >Date: Thu, Sep 21, 2000, 3:51 pm > > > > > Gareth, > > > >> Incidentally, I'm playing live with Kyma and my new , (secondhand) laptop > > on... > >>...maybe I > >> should record it, (It's sort of freeform world jazz stuff.) > >>... > > > > Please do! If you're interested, I'll trade recordings. I don't have any > > current looping performances (been too busy writing looper code lately) but I > > have an improv performance (with some looping) from my group "Trans-Sonic > > Music". > > > > Dennis Leas > > ----------------------------- > > dennis@mdbs.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 11:51:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05497; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:50:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:50:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:22:59 -0400 (EDT) From: noah X-Sender: fishmong@aint-got-nothin.mit.edu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Gang Bang In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000921225149.01c465a0@mail.redmoon-music.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Mark Pulver wrote: > rich (07:23 PM 09.21.2000) wrote: > > >cmon, Damon, wanna join in the mudfight? yeeeahaaa! > > Just an FYI in all this... > > Damon (and most of the rest of Electrix) is/are in Los Angeles from now > through Monday at the AES convention. > > So if anyone is looking for input from Damon into this banter, or for > anything else, hang on... They're a bit busy showing off the state of Repeater. Could someone record the look on Damon's face as he scrolls through all the 'repeater' messages and witnesses the puerile catfights and mudslinging? Italo sounds like some semicephalic hyperrepublican propagandist from hell... but he has a point. Kim, if you've got something incredible in store for us with the EDP upgrade, please let us know what it is!! I just organized a group purchase of over 30 repeaters, and we're all sitting here with our in our hands waiting for the ultimate looping tool. If the EDP2 spanks the repeater to pieces, I don't want to be sitting here with a blinky sculptured rackmount doohickey wishing it had the word "oberheim" on it. -><- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 12:39:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06390; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:38:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:38:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:33:25 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Subject: Repeater vs EDP plus a little philosophy... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA06295 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please take the mudslinging offline Italo... Just a few opinions about looper hardware. I've used the JamMan, JamMan w/Bob Sellon mods, EDP, Line6 DL4 and had the opportunity to test drive the Boomerang and Perille's DJRND2. I'm a fairly long term delay abuser and looper. My thought is this... The Repeater seems to most closely follow the architecture of Bob Sellon's ideal JamMan and in fact directly uses his "4 track" looping, panning and volume scheme. It looks like they've added the bonuses of a nice user i/f as well as their speciality of time stretch / pitch shift features as well as STOREABLE LOOPS and VERY LONG LOOPING TIME. All of these imply the potential for this to be a very desirable and powerful box and I'm certainly interested in it's features at a fairly nice price point. I'd go on to add though that I've rarely EVER lived with just one loop box. I've always had a dedicated looper such as JamMan or EDP as well as other delays for "cloud looping" or shorter sample / hold style looping, and passing loops back and forth between loopers. The EDP's s/w adds DEEP functionality which no other looper has at this point and probably will not in the near future. It's DIFFERENT in the way it allows you to compose, overlay, delete, insert and multiply musical passages. NOTHING does what it does. Admittedly Gibson has had many setbacks in delivering seamless and prompt availability and support to this GREAT PRODUCT. I'd add that I'm not a champion of the EDP... I'm totally stoked the Repeater is coming and will maybe get one to COMPLIMENT what I can do with the EDP. These two loopers might actually be great FRIENDS to cavort musically with... Why is there so much ridiculous dickering about who's a fucking engineer, who's musical etc? We ALL have tech requirements, AND we all have musical, spiritual issuses which inform our art / craft as well. Such mutual exclusion only leads to a form of musical fundamentalism where everyone besides yourself is WRONG. Please drop these petty arguments and realize that at any particular time in our community here, we might have discussions of ANY of these aspects and it's all part of our concerns vis-a-vis looping. Once again. Thanks Kim for your kind, ongoing admin of our large looping community. I appreciate your attempts to inform us technically about a deep and complicated product in the face of childish and emotional attacks on your reputation. Good luck! Sincerely, -Miko Biffle From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 12:48:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06600; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:47:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:47:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:45:29 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Repeater Gang Bang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <04ca01c024b4$84298280$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I don't want to be sitting here with a blinky > sculptured rackmount doohickey wishing it had the word "oberheim" on it. hey, what's wrong with blinky, scuptured, rackmount doohickeys? i made a rackmount box that does nothing but flash leds. i love it when soundmen see it, then double take, then scrutinize, then fall over laughing. ok, so it's not sculptured... (hmmm, maybe in the retail version...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 13:03:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06992; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:02:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:02:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F9132A3B@mail.davitt-hanser.com> From: Todd Quincy To: "Loopers (E-mail)" Subject: loop friendly gigs Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:05:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okay, it's taken me a lot of time to get ready for this venture and will take even longer to produce it but I'm ready for the task. About 2 months ago I through out the idea of creating a loopers gigging guide and eventually volunteered to be the HTML gate keeper and code writer for the information. This archive will hopefully allow us to coordinate small tours, both together and separately. It will also help us find gigs and get paid more often for our craft so we can afford every new piece of looping gear without having to sacrifice our latest piece of equipment. Lastly it will help put our community into the community and build the acceptance of all loop-based music. Before we actually being submitting the names of venues I would like to hear suggestions of what info should or shouldn't be sought. My initial idea is to ask question about and obtain info concerning name of venue address city state, country!!! phone, fax, email, Web site owners name, booker's name hours pay perks room (atmosphere) audience how you came to know the place capacity needs (surge protection!, dolly, extension cords, monitors, etc) sound system sound man supplied load in lighting directions from (perhaps a link to map quest) jpg image of outside and inside develop a rating scale (would you play there again) national acts who have played there style of music mostly performed there gig promotion tips If you have any other thoughts about relevant and non relevant questions please respond in the next 3-4 weeks. Please use the LD list to continue the brainstorm or feel free to email me directly. I look forward to meeting all of you someday on stage or at least in the audience!!! Work tquincy@sayhhi.com home openjam@aol.com Todd Quincy BC Rich, Kustom, PowerWerks, Davitt & Hanser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 13:14:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07350; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:13:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:13:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:13:14 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , , Subject: Re: AW: Organizing Looping Festivals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA07248 Resent-Message-ID: <5mHqiB.A.dxB.5L5y5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've gotten together with the SF, California, US looping contingency for a looping jam (along with a little "Cobra like" game playing) and we had a blast. I'd be willing to book a public performance in the early spring time frame here in Santa Cruz, Ca. US. It's a 65 seat theater environment with pa and nice lighting which would probably be a perfect venue for our stuff. I believe we'd see a fair turnout as well. There's also the open invitation to do a show for CH27 public access tv in their studio with decent sound and mixing facilities. I would record the proceedings at either event as well. There's probably some upper limit to participants for either scenario... The other question is whether we'd want the opportunity to play together - solo - both? Let's discuss the logistics of this. Best... -Miko >>> neetenbeek@pixelpark.com 09/22/00 12:39AM >>> Hi, that would be a nice idea. actually I know some places in cologne, germany, europe (my homebase) where this could happen - maybe could arrange things in brussels, belgium and berlin too. I have some expirience in promoting concerts. I think most list members are living and working in the states, so logistics may be a problem. maybe it's possible to raise some money from the city. my idea is to organize events around the world, in all the list members resident countries - everybody plays everywhere. everybody please stand up and tell the list about your possibilities in your homebase - let's do the networking thing... :-)(cool name for a 21st century dance, isn't it?) and promote each other. I'm applying for my own brand new group (still unnamed but ready to take of in about a mounth or so), improvisation based, danceable kind of music looking forward to hear from you stephan www.stephanneetenbeek.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: whiteoakstudios [mailto:whiteoakstudios@supanet.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. September 2000 23:13 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Organizing Looping Festivals YES! Gareth Incidentally, I'm playing live with Kyma and my new , (secondhand) laptop on 27th September at Chapter Arts' Centre, Wales, UK at the Diggers' club. I know most of you can't make the necessary transatlantic journey - maybe I should record it, (It's sort of freeform world jazz stuff.) Anyone who makes it gets a free pint form me! Hey, this is starting to sound desperate :) G ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 7:46 AM Subject: Organizing Looping Festivals > I'm wondering if people want to do Looping festivals in their area? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 13:55:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07922; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:54:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:54:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39CB9C07.788DAF1E@best.com> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:51:03 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: GOODLOOP References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias, Will your new looper have an internal power supply or, like most new boxes these days, one of those detestable "wall warts"? I also want foot switches that anticipate my tap so I don't actually have to do the tap itself. This should be easy to do with the new QSP (Quantum Signal Processor) chip. :-) Patiently waiting for the next EDP software upgrade and whatever new jewels it may contain, Allan Matthias Grob wrote: > > James Musser GODBOX idea fascinates me. The thing that does everything... > > The GOODLOOP would be the starting point. Maybe we can make a machine > that can do everything related to looping, in some years... > slowly aproximating GOD... > > wew, so much work to do... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 14:06:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08162; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:04:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:04:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:03:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200009221403.AA16384262@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >boys >If you only knew whats in the next plex upgrade > Of course by the time that starts shipping in bulk, we'll be able to take our flying cars to the Guitar Center Megaplex on Pluto to pick them up. Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 14:20:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08506; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:19:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:19:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:10:40 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: GOODLOOP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <04f001c024c0$6da0f640$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com we could just inject some dna into an earthlike planet, wait for intelligent life to develop, and then have them play the loops for us... -me ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 11:20 PM Subject: GOODLOOP > James Musser GODBOX idea fascinates me. The thing that does everything... > > The GOODLOOP would be the starting point. Maybe we can make a machine > that can do everything related to looping, in some years... > > But we dont want it just to loop. Once it has a DSP it shall do all > kinds of effects and once it can record loops, it should be able to > record everithing and thus should be able to mix and to add MIDI > sounds and an analog synth maybe and it should have fingers to play > guitar loops on some strings while we play solo on others and once it > turns into a robot it will be able to tune the guitar and change the > strings and build the guitar and thus build anything, evoluting > beyond the GODBOX, slowly aproximating GOD... > > wew, so much work to do... > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 14:25:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08700; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:24:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:24:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008b01c024c1$a9a82130$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F9132A3B@mail.davitt-hanser.com> Subject: Re: loop friendly gigs Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:19:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great going, Todd! This will be a significant contribution to Loopers! My USD$0.02 - * Include a "last updated mm/dd/yy" item on the pieces of information. * gig promotion tips - should include looper friendly radio stations (if any), local newspaper contact info Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 14:28:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08804; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:26:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:26:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009101c024c1$eef69780$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <04f001c024c0$6da0f640$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: GOODLOOP Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:21:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <_pvWLB.A.HJC.dQ6y5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > we could just inject some dna into an earthlike planet, > wait for intelligent life to develop, and then have them > play the loops for us... I think that's been done already... Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 15:05:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09398; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:04:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:04:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:40:29 -0400 (EDT) From: noah X-Sender: fishmong@aint-got-nothin.mit.edu To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boston Loopers Unite!? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <7q4rcD.A.mSC.S06y5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This loop friendly gig list and talk of festivals got the ol' noggin whirring.... Are there enough loopers in Boston to present a venue with a loopstravaganza? I'd be glad to hunt down a venue and organize whatever needs ot be organized to make this happen. I have the feeling the Middle East or TT's would book something like this... maybe not a weekend, but if it goes well...? Anyway, come see me at the Zeitgeist gallery on Sept. 30th. Lots of other fantastic acts, too. This will be the debut of my looping rig! -><- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 15:44:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10123; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:43:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:43:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000922194224.58413.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:42:24 -0700 (PDT) From: abduction scene Subject: RE: Boston Loopers Unite!? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Noah wrote: > This loop friendly gig list and talk of festivals got the ol' noggin > whirring.... > > Are there enough loopers in Boston to present a venue with a > loopstravaganza? David Kirkdorffer (often on this list) has been producing, in conjunction with Open Faucet's Genre Pool, the Boston Loopers' Collective doing just this. Open Faucet's season just started again. Most of these shows happen at the Middle East downstairs every few months. They've been pretty impressive so far--quite experimental at times. More collective loopin' fun couldn't hurt though! > Anyway, come see me at the Zeitgeist gallery on Sept. 30th. > Lots of other > fantastic acts, too. This will be the debut of my looping rig! On the same bill as Indra Loka? And the inimitable Lauri des Marais (who, i understand, has studied with Pauline Oliveros)??? Rumor has it that Indra Loka are dabbling with looping a little bit... That's just what i've heard. Des Marais is just awesome to hear. Don't know if she does any live looping--not when i've seen her. It seems a natural move for her. Somebody lend her a looper! -abduction- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 16:02:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10692; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:01:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:01:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:05:01 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: GOODLOOP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <04fa01c024d0$644f4cd0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <04f001c024c0$6da0f640$080210ac@jpalmer> <009101c024c1$eef69780$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ah yes, the elusive looper content. is life bracketed by repeat signs? |: me :| ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 1:21 PM Subject: Re: GOODLOOP > > we could just inject some dna into an earthlike planet, > > wait for intelligent life to develop, and then have them > > play the loops for us... > > I think that's been done already... > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 16:10:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11054; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:09:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:09:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:07:42 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Repeater Group Buy Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think daimon has been so helpful in presentation of his product-the echoplex seems like an unreal dream to me-no pics ever posted-no specs-nada-and now the secrets-i prefer the openess of electrix about what they have to offer-no offense to anyone on the list-because tis is a wonderful resource-most of the people are nice and informative-we do not need flame wars on opinions-lets all have a big frenchie in the back of a chevy now-ok? c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 17:31:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12698; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:30:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:30:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: RE: Re: Repeater Group Buy Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:27:45 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i think daimon has been so helpful in presentation of his > product-the echoplex seems like an unreal dream to me-no pics > ever posted-no specs-nada-and now the secrets Ooops. I must be on the wrong list. I thought this was a Looping list...not a marketing and product experts tribunal. Now I know where to come when I need advice on my company's marketing and product strategies. I will not attack or defend any of the products being scrutinized...but I would like to ask that the signal-to-noise ratio improve a bit around here. I appreciate all of the discussion of the features and specs and wishlists pertaining to all of the products mentioned: past, current, and future. But can we let the companies and their respective employees run their businesses the way they see fit? Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 17:40:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12900; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:39:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:39:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000922213814.9562.qmail@web216.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:38:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: Repeater vs EDP plus a little philosophy... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well said. I too am looking forward to seeing how my EPD and (future) Repeater compliment each other. stephen --- Mike Biffle wrote: > I'm > totally stoked the Repeater is coming and will maybe > get one to COMPLIMENT what I can do with the EDP. > These two loopers might actually be great FRIENDS to > cavort musically with... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 17:59:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13193; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:57:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:57:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008701c024e0$07b2b380$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: Subject: Re: Boston Loopers Unite!? Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:56:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "noah" To: Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 1:40 AM Subject: Boston Loopers Unite!? > > This loop friendly gig list and talk of festivals got the ol' noggin > whirring.... > > Are there enough loopers in Boston to present a venue with a > loopstravaganza? I'd be glad to hunt down a venue and organize whatever > needs ot be organized to make this happen. I have the feeling the Middle > East or TT's would book something like this... maybe not a weekend, but if > it goes well...? > > Anyway, come see me at the Zeitgeist gallery on Sept. 30th. Lots of other > fantastic acts, too. This will be the debut of my looping rig! Hey, count me in, although I'm probably light-years behind most of the other loopers here. Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 18:35:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13653; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:29:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:29:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000922182307.007b9930@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:23:07 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Boston Loopers Unite!? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:40 AM 9/22/00 -0400, Noah wrote: >Anyway, come see me at the Zeitgeist gallery on Sept. 30th. Lots of other >fantastic acts, too. This will be the debut of my looping rig! That's at 312 Broadway Street, Cambridge, MA, right? What time does it start and what time are you on? Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 20:18:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14927; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 20:17:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 20:17:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <66.79ef123.26fbbf13@aol.com> References: <66.79ef123.26fbbf13@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:18:58 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: edp upgrade? and annuder thing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >one more little piece of sand in the ointment. as an endorser of >the EDP, i would have thought that i would have been polled about my >experience with it, it's shortcomings and strengths... but i >wasn't... was anyone else? > >peace > >monk Yes, thats what I thought... I did not even know we had endorsers. Does endorsing mean to get the product for free and speak positively about it in public and critically to the manufacturer? ;-) Of course I want to hear you critics and ideas for functionality! LD is a good place to discuss them, and I reply every private mail... The complaints about manufacturing quality, please send to Gibson. Be aware that the next machines will be made in England, with gold contacts, a regulator that does not produce heat and some other improved details. Good hope the relyability problems of the last batch that was still stuffed in US will be over. I just looked under Loopers of the World and could not find you... On the mailing archive it seems that you posted the first time this month, saying: i'm thinking of dumping the plex and getting another jamman with the fancy chip... someone talk me out of it... or into it... So you stayed with the contract? Sorry if you are famous and I did not hear of you... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 20:19:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15025; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 20:18:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 20:18:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5d.ee49a1.26fbbe29@aol.com> References: <5d.ee49a1.26fbbe29@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:20:55 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: edp upgrade? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >well as one of the very few echoplex endorsers... i am interested in >the repeater because my echoplex has ben totally unreliable and >gibson's repair policy is so incredibly lame... there is no >certified repair station except their own and your are completely at >their mercy. no offence, but i don't play in my basement (although >i hear many folks make great music there...) but doing a live radio >show being broadcast on 250 radios stations and having the plex >decide that today is not a working day... well... it just don't cut >it. > i'm interested in anything that i can fly (in a very expensive >shock mount flight case) around the world and have it actually work >when i get there. is that so wrong? > you are prefectly right. But the upgrade we were talking about is not related to HW. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 20:38:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15220; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 20:37:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 20:37:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000921142537.00ef6b70@mail.redmoon-music.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000921142537.00ef6b70@mail.redmoon-music.com> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:39:45 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP update Group Buy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I dont see any relation between EDP upgrade and Repeater release. We are working on many details and functions that make things easy and colourfull. Dont expect simultaneous loops or pitch shifting or flash cards. It continues a live tool that is strong for intuitive free playing and/or composition. The upgrade improvements are mainly related to MIDI/syncing. And you get the low octave... The quality we look for is not expressable in a few ASCII lines. We have to work out the manual that explains all improvements and it does not make sense to do it before we are finished. No need to make all that noise! > > >Electrix has published a good amount of information on what Repeater >is spec'd to do. All in one place, and without having to deduce the >projected feature set from hints. > >As someone that's been pushing, supporting and even defending >Repeater since late July, I'd like to know at least the spec'd >feature set for EDP ++. :) > > >>now the reason of my provocative post is the fact that 26 people have >>already decided to spend almost 700$ on a product nobody that can speak >>has seen, heard, used. > >Yeup. It's a bunch of folks jumping in on faith. I buy probably 97% >of my gear sight unseen. I've been burned too, but I've gotten >smarter and have developed a better sense of reading between the >lines. > >People are different... But, folks are also asking for more up-front >information on what EDP ++ will be... Maybe they _will_ wait and see >what comes of it. Or, maybe they won't. > >But they are in fact trying to be informed impulse buyers. :) > > >Mark ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 22 23:30:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17249; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 23:30:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 23:30:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 20:31:49 -0700 Subject: AES From: Andrew Pask To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, Just went down to AES here in LaLa land for a bit of a look-see. I could only be there for about half an hour today 'cos I had some other stuff to take care of. Spoke to the guy at Yamaha about mLan. He said the "8p?"(can't remember the designation) would go into production in Japan in October, 12 channels of audio (didn't check SR/bit rate, damn) 32 channels of MIDI, looks like it's PowerMacs only (!!!!!!!), he "expected" full compatability with PCMCIA firewire cards for those of you with Wallstreets and Lombards, ASIO drivers, mixing software, he had it running with Cubase and the ASIO driver.$1495 list maybe, they'll be coming over from Japan by sea! Digidesign is going to be giving out its free version of Protools over the internet in couple of weeks, 8 channels of audio, 48 MIDI, Mac and Win 98. Had a quick chat with Mr David Z at the Cycling74 hilarious "modular" stand complete with woolly shag pile rug.He showed me MSP 2, some VERY cool things happening there, the DSP window can now send its data to a patch, inputs and outputs can be rerouted by a patch on the fly, some cool new display options.MSP is now Directconnect and Rewire capable with 512 virtual audio channels.It will be coming out (maybe December) at the same time as Max 4.0, which has this new functionality so that patches can create new patches, set up objects, configure windows, connect cords, the lot.Way far out. Windows version of Max/MSP expected at the beginning of next year he reckoned.He actually seemed more positive about that than I've previously seen. I long since ran out of fingers that I haven't crossed for all this shit to happen though. Lots of weird noises coming out of the Electrix stand, didn't see the Repeater, I have to admit I didn't have time to look very hard,hopefully I'll get back there over the weekend.The stand with the most whacked out sounds was the Eventide one, a guy with a Strat, a volume pedal and a couple of Orvilles giving it large portions through a 4 speaker setup, he seemed pretty happy with life.I want one. L8r A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 23 01:33:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19131; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:32:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:32:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000923012844.02563a50@free-music.com> X-Sender: X-Mailer: Ken's Useful eMail Suite v5.1 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:31:44 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ken Subject: NYC loops: ken's last ever radio extravaganza 9/24/00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ken's last ever radio extravaganza hypnosis, brain expansion, freedom, torture, through sound loopy repetition is always a given elsewhere festival usa:nyc:brooklyn:williamsburg sunday sept 24 2000 5:30pm - 7pm very approximately live at momenta art 72 berry st brooklyn very live broadcasting on free103point9 williamsburg (performance not netcast, but will be archived) callers might be able to participate via phone during set to be determined later details of 6 1/2 years of k.l.e.r.e. http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/ compelling reading indeed downloadable audio from past 237 extravaganzas starting to appear like a great advancing glacier follow "Download" link cd's of past shows finally on sale at cost ken's last ever radio extravaganza contact and further info: kenzo@free-music.com no contact and further info: http://free-music.com/ken/extrav/ insert coin (warning: k.l.e.r.e. has no idea at all what will happen during this performance. user disclaims artist from all liability, including, but not limited to, time lost, inner ear damage, state of confusion, unexpected inspiration or motivation, pleasant euphoria, meeting of new people, questioning of one's own beliefs, 8 free issues) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 23 02:12:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19512; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 02:11:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 02:11:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200009230611.XAA26535@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: peaceland@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 23:13:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: James Musser Subject: Godbox II In-Reply-To: <04fa01c024d0$644f4cd0$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <04f001c024c0$6da0f640$080210ac@jpalmer> <009101c024c1$eef69780$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Godbox II is the all-new super-enhanced version... Whereas the original Godbox only evoked visions of mechanical madness and stiff and unfeeling meandery... Godbox II promises to evoke only the deepest of inspiration and heartfelt expression. Open in it's architecture, promises to incorporate all upgrades directly into the new malleoware (the perfect compromise between hardware and software, which allows advances in both areas). Whereas the original Godbox was thought to "Do-In" the competition... Godbox II is designed to bring-in the competition and rewards all contributors with both enhancements and compensation for their additions. Godbox II features every feature anyone has ever asked for, including instant adaptomizer, which immediately implements the ability to do whatever your mind can think of. Ships with an Infinobyte of memory which allows you to store every loop/sequence you've ever done, and with the new patented "Totallycoolloopdetectoware" automatically detects the coolest sections and categorizes them according to speed, size, and beat structure, as well as harmonic content. With the all new "Harmonofigure" feature, it also suggests a myriad of totally cool scales and chords with which to superimpose to your hearts content... Also comes with the new "Toostifftobecool" software which lets you know whenever your loops are cold, lifeless and dull (or feature really lame cheeseball crudtone or endlessly out of tune sequences)... and flashes red, blue and purple until you begin "feeling more" with your Godbox II. The RETUNE feature has been purposely left out, because if it's too lame to be favorably in tune in the first place... then it doesn't belong in a Godbox. Bad sounding music is automatically routed to the "Burninhell" feature which is a really cool endlessly smoldering twist (You'll love it!!!) Along with the Infinobyte of ram that ships with the unit, it also comes with a Neverlose Infigabyte hard disk system that automatically stores as you go, including the fabulous new "Alreadymirrored" system to triple your protect (if you don't have it in 3 places... then you don't have it). The final feature of the Godbox II is that it is compassionately priced according to your personal budget. Submit your personal budget, and a Godbox II will arrive priced to perfection... (fully featured, of course)... unless you lie.... then you receive only the "burninhell" module... which is cool... but nowhere near the Heavens of... G O D B O X I I Enjoy! Peace, Love, & Music James Musser peaceland@earthlink.net Lessons at: http://home.earthlink.net/~peaceland/peaceland.htm Underwater Traffic: http://members.aol.com/utjam/ut.htm Top 100 Unsigned Bands in L.A. '99 - Music Connection Nominations: Best South Bay Band '97 - Rock City News Best Guitar '97 & Best L.A. Band '96 - LA Music Awards From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 23 02:13:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19537; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 02:12:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 02:12:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200009230612.XAA27876@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: peaceland@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 23:14:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: James Musser Subject: Deltalab repairs? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone work on Deltalab stuff? I have 2 with problems. Peace, Love, & Music James Musser peaceland@earthlink.net Lessons at: http://home.earthlink.net/~peaceland/peaceland.htm Underwater Traffic: http://members.aol.com/utjam/ut.htm Top 100 Unsigned Bands in L.A. '99 - Music Connection Nominations: Best South Bay Band '97 - Rock City News Best Guitar '97 & Best L.A. Band '96 - LA Music Awards From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 23 03:02:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA19991; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 03:01:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 03:01:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:37:35 -0400 (EDT) From: noah X-Sender: fishmong@aint-got-nothin.mit.edu To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Godbox Group Buy List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com aw hell. I just can't. -><- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 23 07:43:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21676; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 07:42:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 07:42:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000001c02553$2bc94d60$0100a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: OT: Re: AES Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 03:12:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andrew- can you get me in? :) Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Pask" To: Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 8:31 PM Subject: AES > > > Hi folks, > > Just went down to AES here in LaLa land for a bit of a look-see. > I could only be there for about half an hour today 'cos I had some other > stuff to take care of. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 23 11:30:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22960; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:29:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:29:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39CD4A4E.E042143D@vtx.ch> Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:26:54 -0700 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Pmc10 remote fix Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3tFgIC.A.gmF.2vMz5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello here is a little trick that will fix any bad contacts of the remote controler buttons of the pmc10 1-get yourself some graphite paint that is used by TV reparators to re-shield tv tubes (I used a leftover from a graphite spray can that once served me to shield the control cavity of my electric guitars) 2- open the remote with care 3- with a towel or q tips and some 90% alcool clean the contact surface of the rubber buttons and the pcb 3-spray some graphite on a piece of paper 4-take a litle stick and apply some paint on each of the recessed discs that are inside the rubber buttons 5-I did it a second time after it has dried 6-close the remote 8-Its works like new 9-send me a friendly note easy ?! claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 23 17:01:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27073; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 16:59:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 16:59:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200009232058.NAA17561@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: peaceland@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 14:00:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: James Musser Subject: Re: Godbox Group Buy List In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry... not available yet... there's the catch... We're still waiting on the Infinihz processor... could be years... This way we can guarantee to screw up the competition however, cuz just knowing that the Godbox II is "ontheway" is advertising enuf to wipe out all competitors for God knows how long... Fun&Games! Peace, Love, & Music James Musser peaceland@earthlink.net Lessons at: http://home.earthlink.net/~peaceland/peaceland.htm Underwater Traffic: http://members.aol.com/utjam/ut.htm Top 100 Unsigned Bands in L.A. '99 - Music Connection Nominations: Best South Bay Band '97 - Rock City News Best Guitar '97 & Best L.A. Band '96 - LA Music Awards From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 23 20:53:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29112; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 20:52:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 20:52:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c025c1$990a9fa0$5e0978d8@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <39CD4A4E.E042143D@vtx.ch> Subject: Re: Pmc10 remote fix Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:51:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Improvising ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claude Voit" To: "Loopers-Delight" Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 5:26 PM Subject: Pmc10 remote fix > hello > > here is a little trick that will fix any bad contacts of the remote > controler buttons of the pmc10 > > 1-get yourself some graphite paint that is used by TV reparators to > re-shield tv tubes (I used a leftover from a graphite spray can that > once served me to shield the control cavity of my electric guitars) or shave the graphite off a #2 pencil with a single edge razor blade > 2- open the remote with care 8 screws--pretty easy > 3- with a towel or q tips and some 90% alcool clean the contact surface > of the rubber buttons and the pcb or determine that since you don't have any and skip this step > 3-spray some graphite on a piece of paper > 4-take a litle stick and apply some paint on each of the recessed discs > that are inside the rubber buttons > 5-I did it a second time after it has dried or decide that the pencil dust is useless and apply the pencil directly to the discs > 6-close the remote > 8-Its works like new > 9-send me a friendly note yup--much improved--I also used the eraser on the contacts > > easy ?! > > claude > Thank you Claude Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 24 01:06:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31843; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:05:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:05:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:55:59 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater vs EDP plus a little philosophy... In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:33 AM -0700 9/22/00, Mike Biffle wrote: >I'd add that I'm not a champion of the EDP... I'm totally stoked the >Repeater is coming and will maybe get one to COMPLIMENT what I can do with >the EDP. These two loopers might actually be great FRIENDS to cavort >musically with... Why is there so much ridiculous dickering about who's a >fucking engineer, who's musical etc? We ALL have tech requirements, AND we >all have musical, spiritual issuses which inform our art / craft as well. >Such mutual exclusion only leads to a form of musical fundamentalism where >everyone besides yourself is WRONG. Please drop these petty arguments and >realize that at any particular time in our community here, we might have >discussions of ANY of these aspects and it's all part of our concerns >vis-a-vis looping. well said Miko. >Once again. Thanks Kim for your kind, ongoing admin of our large looping >community. I appreciate your attempts to inform us technically about a >deep and complicated product in the face of childish and emotional attacks >on your reputation. Good luck! > thanks for your kind words. I must confess I have very, very little patience for people who use public forums like this in a negative way, trying to bring harm onto others with baseless accusations, rumors, exaggerated complaints, etc. Positive results don't come from such negative efforts. Good things in the future will come from working together to make it good, not from tearing down the people who may one day help you. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 24 04:20:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01395; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 04:19:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 04:19:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000924081910.8237.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:19:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Repeater vs EDP plus a little philosophy... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well said Kim, I agree. bret --- Kim Flint wrote: > > I must confess I have very, very little patience for people who use > public > forums like this in a negative way, trying to bring harm onto others > with > baseless accusations, rumors, exaggerated complaints, etc. Positive > results > don't come from such negative efforts. Good things in the future will > come > from working together to make it good, not from tearing down the > people who > may one day help you. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 24 13:42:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05870; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:41:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:41:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39CE6800.CB46190B@plant.uoguelph.ca> Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:45:52 -0700 From: Jake Stout X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Help!! Simmons MTM module Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all... I just picked up a Simmons Midi-Trigger-Midi module for tres cheap cuz I thought triggering samples or synths with my guitar would be fun. Of course, it didn't come with a manual, and I can't for the life of me figure out the beast due to it's crude interface. Do any of you have any experience with one of these, or better yet have a manual on hand that you could copy?? Of course, I'll pay for your time and the copying fees. Other than that, some basic pointers would be cool. If not... I guess it's off to the manual manor. Thanks! Jake -- M.Sc. Student. University of Guelph, Canada 519 824-4120 X8182 jstout@plant.uoguelph.ca "It's tough to find something when you don't know what you're looking for...." Cop, Plan 9 From Outer Space From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 24 15:33:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07384; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:32:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:32:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:34:20 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater vs EDP plus a little philosophy... From: Kevin To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3052643660_798357_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <86wZpC.A.VyB.Talz5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3052643660_798357_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Kim: You wrote: I must confess I have very, very little patience for people who use public > forums like this in a negative way, trying to bring harm onto others with > baseless accusations, rumors, exaggerated complaints, etc. Just wanted to say that we think patience is always a virtue. We've learned that over seven months trying to get an operating Gibson Echoplex . Finally, thanks to Shane Radtke's serious attention, our original "bad dog" Echoplex bought last winter has been replaced and Shane was kind enough to upgrade the memory as well. Incidentally, we has posted here intending that our experience with Gibson be left as a record and critique for other potential buyers of the Gibson Echoplex, as well as feedback for management at Gibson. Hopefully they can improve their production schedule, and get more Echoplex into the pipeline. One side note, Shane Radtke in Gibson/Trace Elliot support has by now had a great deal of experience with the Echoplex and it's sometimes quirks. In the last few weeks he has impressed us with his attention to details, and his thoughtful responses to our descriptions of our troubled machine. In short, he gets looping. We genuinely look forward to the Electrix Repeater. It sounds very interesting indeed. As Miko pointed out, the more loopers the merrier (We've found Digital Performers POLAR computer studio looper pretty interesting of late, and there is good Quicktime video tutorial/demonstration of the Polar software. It might be available as a download on the MOTU web sight, and it would be worth emailing the folks at MOTU to find out). But if you have an Echoplex Digital Pro, you have a remarkable live performance looping device created by people with a passion for musical exploration (thank you Matthias Grob and Kim!). If you are willing to put in the time to study the beast, nothing out there that we have read about is going to supplant it. That's why we bought one of the originals from Oberheim, and that's why we got on the Gibson waiting list year. And that's why we will continue to watch closely Gibson's handling of this remarkable product. The virtues of patience. Best, Kevin Cooney Roctologists (aka LoOpdOctOrs) --MS_Mac_OE_3052643660_798357_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Repeater vs EDP plus a little philosophy... Hi Kim:

You wrote:

 I must confess I have very, very little patience for people who = use public
> forums like this in a negative way, trying to bring harm onto others w= ith
> baseless accusations, rumors, exaggerated complaints, etc.

Just wanted to say that we think patience is always a virtue.  We've l= earned that over seven months trying to get an operating Gibson Echoplex . &= nbsp;Finally, thanks to Shane Radtke's serious attention, our original "= ;bad dog" Echoplex bought last winter has been replaced and Shane was k= ind enough to upgrade the memory as well.

Incidentally, we has posted here intending that our experience with Gibson = be left as a record and critique for other potential buyers of the Gibson Ec= hoplex, as well as feedback for management at Gibson.  Hopefully they c= an improve their production schedule, and get more Echoplex into the pipelin= e.  One side note, Shane Radtke in Gibson/Trace Elliot support has by n= ow had a great deal of experience with the Echoplex and it's sometimes quirk= s.  In the last few weeks he has impressed us with his attention to det= ails, and his thoughtful responses to our descriptions of our troubled machi= ne.  In short, he gets looping.

We genuinely look forward to the Electrix Repeater.  It sounds very in= teresting indeed.  As Miko pointed out, the more loopers the merrier (W= e've found Digital Performers POLAR computer studio looper pretty interestin= g of late, and there is good Quicktime video tutorial/demonstration of the P= olar software.  It might be available as a download on the MOTU web sig= ht, and it would be worth emailing the folks at MOTU to find out).  
But if you have an Echoplex Digital Pro, you have a remarkable live perform= ance looping device created by people with a passion for musical exploration= (thank you Matthias Grob and Kim!).  If you are willing to put in the = time to study the beast, nothing out there that we have read about is going = to supplant it.  That's why we bought one of the originals from Oberhei= m, and that's why we got on the Gibson waiting list year.   And th= at's why we will continue to watch closely Gibson's handling of this remarka= ble product.

The virtues of patience.

Best,
Kevin Cooney
Roctologists
(aka LoOpdOctOrs)
--MS_Mac_OE_3052643660_798357_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 24 16:01:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07983; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 16:00:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 16:00:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39CB9C07.788DAF1E@best.com> References: <39CB9C07.788DAF1E@best.com> Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:03:07 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: GOODLOOP and the Third Ear Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jim suggests: >we could just inject some dna into an earthlike planet, >wait for intelligent life to develop, and then have them >play the loops for us... great... would your DNA be good enough? and also: >ah yes, the elusive looper content. >is life bracketed by repeat signs? > >|: me :| I liked this one. It certainly does not just repeat. Overdub is on. Undo does not work quite right, they say... Alan asked: >Will your new looper have an internal power supply or, like most new >boxes these days, one of those detestable "wall warts"? It will be shit-driven. The methane that comes out of it feeds one of those "alternative" energy cells. >I also want foot switches that anticipate my tap so I don't actually >have to do the tap itself. I am not shure whether you are serious about this one, but GODBOX certainly likes your music and thus selects the right phrases to be looped. And you can get rid of the critizizing meat public. >This should be easy to do with the new QSP (Quantum Signal >Processor) chip. Oh great, can you send me its URL privately? :-) >Patiently waiting for the next EDP software upgrade and whatever new >jewels it may contain, > ok, let me go back to work... While this: Why dont you play with what really exists in material world and with what allways comes from beyond to anyone with an open "third ear"... By the way: I started mounting a page with rare brasilian music and translations of the words at: http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/BrasExE.htm The second song of Zeca Baleiro: "Heavy Metall of the Lord" sounds great, is fun and somewhat related... (no loops, though) > >Matthias Grob wrote: >> >> James Musser GODBOX idea fascinates me. The thing that does everything... >> >> The GOODLOOP would be the starting point. Maybe we can make a machine >> that can do everything related to looping, in some years... >> slowly aproximating GOD... >> >> wew, so much work to do... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 24 20:24:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11589; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:23:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:23:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.1.20000924201045.00aa3180@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:20:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: p koniuto Subject: RE: Boston Loopers Unite!? In-Reply-To: <20000922194224.58413.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there: > > Anyway, come see me at the Zeitgeist gallery on >Sept. 30th. > > Lots of other > > fantastic acts, too. This will be the debut of >my looping rig! > >On the same bill as Indra Loka? And the >inimitable Lauri des Marais (who, i understand, >has studied with Pauline Oliveros)??? > >Rumor has it that Indra Loka are dabbling with >looping a little bit... That's just what i've I've been working with Indra Loka in the studio on their debut release. There *will* be a decent dose of loopage on this record. I'm not entirely sure what they'll be doing loop-wise live, but they have expressed interest in going more in that direction. And i agree, des Marais's work is quite stunning. There is an article in today's (Sunday) Boston Globe about her. Should be an interesting show this Saturday. Noah, just what kind of craziness will you be bringing to the Zeitgeist? -pjk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 24 21:16:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12385; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:15:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:15:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:56:06 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: edp upgrade? In-reply-to: <5d.ee49a1.26fbbe29@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:40 PM -0700 9/21/00, Merseybeet@aol.com wrote: >well as one of the very few echoplex endorsers... I'm afraid I have no idea who you are either, although it can be difficult to tell from an email address. you do have an interesting approach to endorsing a product...:-) You are definitely not one of the "very few", as there were many endorsers signed up years ago. Not much was done with it though, since there wasn't much need to put a lot of effort into marketing when every one they make gets sold anyway. >i am interested in the >repeater because my echoplex has ben totally unreliable and gibson's >repair policy is so incredibly lame... there is no certified repair >station except their own and your are completely at their mercy. Gibson used to have that "authorized service center" policy with the echoplex. It did not appear to go very well at all. I've heard many stories now of people having terrible problems with these authorized service centers - getting it back months later, not fixed at all, no explanation. I spent quite some time advising one of those places in hollywood. I sent them documentation, explained the operation and the service proceedures to them, gave them several phone numbers to contact me anytime for help if they needed it, etc. They never called me and never asked for help, even though they were obviously failing to service echoplexes properly. Clearly, that was the lame repair policy! So Gibson abandoned that strategy earlier this year. They set up their own facility, headed up by Shane Radtke. Shane is a great guy, and by all accounts he has been very effective at taking care of any echoplex servicing. Why don't you contact him and get whatever your problem is taken care of? You will have much better luck getting it corrected that way than by moaning about on a mailing list. Shane is sradtke@gibson.com, 1-800-544-2766 x206 or (847) 741-7315 x206. I fail to see why this is a lame policy when it works and people are happy with the results. >no >offence, but i don't play in my basement (although i hear many folks make >great music there...) but doing a live radio show being broadcast on 250 >radios stations and having the plex decide that today is not a working >day... well... it just don't cut it. > i'm interested in anything that i can fly (in a very expensive shock >mount flight case) around the world and have it actually work when i get >there. is that so wrong? No, that is not wrong. And there are many people who do tour with echoplexes without problems. Rather than sitting there stewing about it, why don't you go get it fixed? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 24 21:46:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12840; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:45:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:45:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.181.93.7] From: "g716" To: References: <39CD4A4E.E042143D@vtx.ch> <001301c025c1$990a9fa0$5e0978d8@gary> Subject: OT: PCM-10 mimmicing an FC-200 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:47:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2000 01:43:48.0454 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C94E860:01C02692] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Off topic, but I know this list has a number of FC-200 wizards on it.... Problem: The FC-200 can be used to control the GP-100 or, in my case, the Boss GX-700 in "manual" mode. That is, each pedal on the FC-200 toggles a specific effect on and off. My GX-700 manual doesn't cover the MIDI implementation of this. Does anyone know how to program the PCM-10 to do this -- or know how I might find out? thanks! Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 24 22:23:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13748; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:22:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:22:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 08:58:22 -0400 (EDT) From: noah X-Sender: fishmong@aint-got-nothin.mit.edu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Boston Loopers Unite!? In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.1.20000924201045.00aa3180@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > And i agree, des Marais's work is quite stunning. There is an > article in today's (Sunday) Boston Globe about her. > > Should be an interesting show this Saturday. Noah, just what > kind of craziness will you be bringing to the Zeitgeist? Improvisational ambientish semichaos. Textures using reality on a laptop and odd little melodies from my esq-1. Sometimes I'll yoink a drumloop from Reality with the dl-4 and get a bit jazz, but the mood hasn't struck me recently. 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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C026A9.9B439540-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 24 22:37:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14037; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:36:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:36:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JrsPLCE@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:35:11 EDT Subject: Re: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.1 for Windows sub 34 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com unsubscribe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 24 23:40:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14727; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:36:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:36:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JohnMameli@aol.com Message-ID: <69.ada705a.270021cd@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:34:37 EDT Subject: Re: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thank you! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 02:09:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16540; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 02:07:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 02:07:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008701c024e0$07b2b380$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> References: <008701c024e0$07b2b380$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:58:23 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Boston Loopers Unite!? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:56 PM -0400 9/22/00, Peter Shindler wrote: >From: "noah" >To: >Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 1:40 AM >Subject: Boston Loopers Unite!? > > > > > > This loop friendly gig list and talk of festivals got the ol' noggin > > whirring.... > > > > Are there enough loopers in Boston to present a venue with a > > loopstravaganza? I'd be glad to hunt down a venue and organize whatever > > needs ot be organized to make this happen. I have the feeling the Middle > > East or TT's would book something like this... maybe not a weekend, but if > > it goes well...? > > > > Anyway, come see me at the Zeitgeist gallery on Sept. 30th. Lots of other > > fantastic acts, too. This will be the debut of my looping rig! > > >Hey, count me in, although I'm probably light-years behind most of the other >loopers here. > > >Peter David Kirkdorffer (dkirkdorffer@netmorf.com) has orgainized a number of looping events in Boston over the last couple of years. I've had the pleasure of doing video projections at them, and would be interested in doing projections at other loop based events in Boston. "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 07:52:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA19216; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:50:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:50:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:49:16 EDT Subject: Re: edp upgrade? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 12:40 PM -0700 9/21/00, Merseybeet@aol.com wrote: >>well as one of the very few echoplex endorsers... >>no >>offence, but i don't play in my basement (although i hear many folks make >>great music there...) but doing a live radio show being broadcast on 250 >>radios stations and having the plex decide that today is not a working >>day... well... it just don't cut it. >> i'm interested in anything that i can fly (in a very expensive shock >>mount flight case) around the world and have it actually work when i get >>there. is that so wrong? m-beet, nothing wrong w/that. but, just to add from my own experience, as i think that i'm an EDP-'endorser', too. my (very early edition) EDP has *many, many* miles on it, & seems to perform just fine..... all the time: i depend upon that. best, dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 11:19:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21661; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:17:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:17:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <62.7774303.2700c5f4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:15:00 EDT Subject: Re: edp upgrade? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/25/00 7:50:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Texture444@aol.com writes: > > >At 12:40 PM -0700 9/21/00, Merseybeet@aol.com wrote: > >>well as one of the very few echoplex endorsers... > >>no > >>offence, but i don't play in my basement (although i hear many folks make > >>great music there...) but doing a live radio show being broadcast on 250 > >>radios stations and having the plex decide that today is not a working > >>day... well... it just don't cut it. > >> i'm interested in anything that i can fly (in a very expensive shock > >>mount flight case) around the world and have it actually work when i get > >>there. is that so wrong? > m-beet, > nothing wrong w/that. > but, just to add from my own experience, as i think that i'm an > EDP-'endorser', too. > my (very early edition) EDP has *many, many* miles on it, & seems to perform > > just fine..... all the time: i depend upon that. > best, > dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL mine's going back to the repair shop for the fourth time. brian electric bird noise From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 11:29:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21856; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:28:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:28:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c02705$28498340$959cd8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <62.7774303.2700c5f4@aol.com> Subject: Echoplex Reliability and "Repair Looping" Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:27:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Merseybeet@aol.com wrote: i'm interested in anything that i can fly (in a very expensive shockmount flight case) around the world and have it actually work when i get there. is that so wrong? m-beet, That Torn guy sez: nothing wrong w/that. but, just to add from my own experience, as i think that i'm an EDP-'endorser', too. my (very early edition) EDP has *many, many* miles on it, & seems to perform just fine..... all the time: i depend upon that. best, dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL And then ENAT21213@aol.com confesses: mine's going back to the repair shop for the fourth time. brian electric bird noise And I just wonder--back to Gibson? For the fourth time? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 11:49:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22340; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:48:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:48:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.93.16.13] From: "ieme wieger de haan" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:46:11 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2000 15:46:11.0485 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA9364D0:01C02707] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i would like to never recieve mail from loopers again!!!!! i hope i am clear! ieme de haan _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 12:05:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22662; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:04:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:04:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F9132A46@mail.davitt-hanser.com> From: Todd Quincy To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: from loopers again!!!!! Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:08:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i would like to never recieve mail from loopers again!!!!! > i hope i am clear! > And I thought it was just me and my overly repetitive music style that drove people mad!!! And I thought it was just me and my overly repetitive music style that drove people mad!!! And I thought it was just me and my overly repetitive music style that drove people mad!!! And I thought it was just me and my overly repetitive music style that drove people mad!!! And I thought it was just me and my overly repetitive music style that drove people mad!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 12:35:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23310; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:34:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:34:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:21:06 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: GOODLOOP and the Third Ear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <010201c0270c$9b999b80$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <39CB9C07.788DAF1E@best.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "Matthias Grob" > Jim suggests: > >we could just inject some dna into an earthlike planet, > >wait for intelligent life to develop, and then have them > >play the loops for us... > > great... would your DNA be good enough? i am new enough to the current great loop experiment that i have not yet tried the multiply function :) > and also: > >ah yes, the elusive looper content. > >is life bracketed by repeat signs? > > > >|: me :| > > I liked this one. It certainly does not just repeat. Overdub is on. > Undo does not work quite right, they say... lol add undo to the GOODLOOP device and you have time travel... this power must only be used for good! of course, we are usually travelling through time (mostly forward) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 13:19:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24055; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:18:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:18:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c02714$83e00620$2e32dacf@z5k2e6> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F9132A3B@mail.davitt-hanser.com> Subject: More Spanish Spam? Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:17:41 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <19DnXB.A.i3F.Pj4z5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is it just me or has there been a huge increase in the amount of Spanish Language Spam being received? I would like to hope that it's not because of being on this list, which I continue to find informative if not entertaining... Stephen & Sarah Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 13:24:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24252; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:24:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:24:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:23:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: More Spanish Spam? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Add me in to this...i've been getting it alot lately. is this coming through LD? rich >Is it just me or has there been a huge increase in the amount of Spanish >Language Spam being received? I would like to hope that it's not because of >being on this list, which I continue to find informative if not >entertaining... > >Stephen & Sarah Goodman >http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! >http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 13:35:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24414; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:30:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:30:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39CF8A55.DAEE72C5@turino.ch> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:24:38 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,de,de-CH MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i would like to never recieve mail from loopers again!!!!! > > i hope i am clear! use clerasil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 13:43:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24784; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:41:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:41:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D00CB6.494C5EEA@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:40:54 -0700 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: PCM-10 mimmicing an FC-200 References: <39CD4A4E.E042143D@vtx.ch> <001301c025c1$990a9fa0$5e0978d8@gary> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <51DXjC.A.lCG.644z5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com g716 wrote: > > Off topic, but I know this list has a number of FC-200 wizards on it.... > > Problem: > The FC-200 can be used to control the GP-100 or, in my case, the Boss GX-700 > in "manual" mode. That is, each pedal on the FC-200 toggles a specific > effect on and off. My GX-700 manual doesn't cover the MIDI implementation > of this. Does anyone know how to program the PCM-10 to do this -- or know > how I might find out? > > thanks! > Greg Greg you definitely need to find the midi implementation of your boss device first then if you have problems with PMC I can help concerning the PMC : Sean, one of our list member has made RAYMOND the ultimate and only PMC10 editor: get it for free at http://www.mindspring.com/~sean_/pmc/index.html claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 14:44:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25793; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:42:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:42:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <2f.aee2063.2700f642@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:41:06 EDT Subject: Re: Echoplex Reliability and "Repair Looping" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/25/00 11:28:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, relayonemanband@cts.com writes: > > <> > Merseybeet@aol.com wrote: > i'm interested in anything that i can fly (in a very expensive shockmount > flight case) around the world and have it actually work when i get there. is > that so wrong? > m-beet, > > That Torn guy sez: > > nothing wrong w/that. but, just to add from my own experience, as i think > that i'm an EDP-'endorser', too. > my (very early edition) EDP has *many, many* miles on it, & seems to perform > just fine..... all the time: i depend upon that. > best, > dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL > > And then ENAT21213@aol.com confesses: > > mine's going back to the repair shop for the fourth time. > brian > electric bird noise > > And I just wonder--back to Gibson? For the fourth time? > Gary > i think shane and the gang at gibson are trying hard to get all the bugs worked out.......very friendly and understanding.....were else could i send it? to me the logical choice is the people that are making the suckers. four times is quite a lot though.....they even sent me a new one on the third try. brian electric bird noise From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 14:55:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26010; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:54:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:54:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: "Loopers" Subject: RE: More Spanish Spam? Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:58:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002601c02714$83e00620$2e32dacf@z5k2e6> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm getting it too... bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen P. Goodman [mailto:sgoodman@earthlight.net] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 10:18 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: More Spanish Spam? Is it just me or has there been a huge increase in the amount of Spanish Language Spam being received? I would like to hope that it's not because of being on this list, which I continue to find informative if not entertaining... Stephen & Sarah Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 15:31:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26534; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:30:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:30:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [205.155.6.2] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:29:20 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2000 19:29:20.0925 (UTC) FILETIME=[E74DCCD0:01C02726] Resent-Message-ID: <1AAUjC.A.YeG.ue6z5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please don't go!!!!!! please oh please!!!!! >From: "ieme wieger de haan" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: unsubscribe >Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:46:11 GMT > >i would like to never recieve mail from loopers again!!!!! > > >i hope i am clear! > > >ieme de haan >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 15:42:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26727; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:41:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:41:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: jim@hemlock.violacea.com Message-ID: <39CFAA4D.511F0CD1@jguru.com> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:41:01 -0600 From: Jim Coker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AES References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andrew Pask wrote: > Hi folks, > > Just went down to AES here in LaLa land for a bit of a look-see. > I could only be there for about half an hour today 'cos I had some other > stuff to take care of. > Spoke to the guy at Yamaha about mLan. > He said the "8p?"(can't remember the designation) would go into production > in Japan in October, 12 channels of audio (didn't check SR/bit rate, damn) > 32 channels of MIDI, looks like it's PowerMacs only (!!!!!!!), he "expected" > full compatability with PCMCIA firewire cards for those of you with > Wallstreets and Lombards, ASIO drivers, mixing software, he had it running > with Cubase and the ASIO driver.$1495 list maybe, they'll be coming over > from Japan by sea! That must be the mLan8P -- stereo analog in/out, stereo S/PDIF in/out (optical and coax), 1 MIDI in, 2 MIDI out, 12 channel internal mixer w/ FX, approx 1/2 rack unit in size, but w/ controls on top. If they expect to sell this for anywhere near $1000, they must be on drugs -- hell, you can get an O1V for about $1500 street price. $495 list is more like it, otherwise they've got the most expensive 4 channel computer interface ever, and will only sell to deparate powerbook users. I'd rather spring for a Magma Chassis for my 2408 than drop that kinda dough for that thing. *sigh*, perhaps some other enterprising young company will get the clue. Either that or Yamaha may kill the mLan before it even get's a chance. They also screwed up by not offering mini-YGDAI mLan cards for the O1V, AW4416, etc. Typical Yamaha: They get so many things right, and then screw up on some petty item that makes everything else worthless. Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 16:52:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28618; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:51:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:51:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39CFBB16.F4448856@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:52:38 -0700 From: Jim Poppen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: More Spanish Spam? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6JfkQC.A.g-G.Iq7z5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I haven't gotten one peice of Spanish spam. Just for the record. Jim Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > I'm getting it too... > > bIz > > Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. > 1.800.555.Tell > biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say > 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen P. Goodman [mailto:sgoodman@earthlight.net] > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 10:18 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: More Spanish Spam? > > Is it just me or has there been a huge increase in the amount of Spanish > Language Spam being received? I would like to hope that it's not because of > being on this list, which I continue to find informative if not > entertaining... > > Stephen & Sarah Goodman > http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! > http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 17:42:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29596; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:41:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:41:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D044BD.4A2AA0B2@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:39:57 -0700 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: More Spanish Spam? References: <39CFBB16.F4448856@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm getting almost one a day from argentina (.ar) the 2-3 unreadable chinese one's plus 1-2 incredible biuisysness oportunitiyes from America I guess its fame seems that only "the older" LD member got scanned anyway the recent members have enough problem with unsub or flame wars kind of spam too say yo na rra Calude Jim Poppen wrote: > > I haven't gotten one peice of Spanish spam. Just for the record. > > Jim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 17:56:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28728; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:54:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:54:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018a01c02733$e258f530$e8ca37cf@8700.it.verio.net> From: "Pulse 8" To: References: <39CFBB16.F4448856@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: More Spanish Spam? Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:02:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com me neither :) niH! Joshua Pulse 8 - aim:jkerseyvcso http://www.mp3.com/pulse8 http://www.beyond-earth.net http://users.ticnet.com/jkersey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Poppen" To: Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 3:52 PM Subject: Re: More Spanish Spam? > I haven't gotten one peice of Spanish spam. Just for the record. > > Jim > > Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > > > > I'm getting it too... > > > > bIz > > > > Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. > > 1.800.555.Tell > > biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say > > 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen P. Goodman [mailto:sgoodman@earthlight.net] > > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 10:18 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: More Spanish Spam? > > > > Is it just me or has there been a huge increase in the amount of Spanish > > Language Spam being received? I would like to hope that it's not because of > > being on this list, which I continue to find informative if not > > entertaining... > > > > Stephen & Sarah Goodman > > http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! > > http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 18:47:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30707; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:36:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:36:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002601c02714$83e00620$2e32dacf@z5k2e6> References: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F9132A3B@mail.davitt-hanser.com> <002601c02714$83e00620$2e32dacf@z5k2e6> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:10:09 -0400 To: From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: More Spanish Spam? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:17 AM -0700 9/25/00, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: >Is it just me or has there been a huge increase in the amount of Spanish >Language Spam being received? I would like to hope that it's not because of >being on this list, which I continue to find informative if not >entertaining... > >Stephen & Sarah Goodman >http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! >http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! I'm getting a few a day, of course I have no idea whether this list is involved. "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 18:54:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30807; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:42:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:42:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:36:01 -0700 From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: loopers FS NOT MINE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000f01c02751$bf317e60$735cfea9@pavilion> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 References: <39CFBB16.F4448856@mindspring.com> <39D044BD.4A2AA0B2@vtx.ch> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com posted on Harmony Central--not my gear, don't know the guy, DON'T e-mail me Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: Getting married and unloading some of the very best effects. 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Charlie Sexton 317-816-4184 (H) 317-510-6856 (W) charles.sexton@dfas.mil gtrmansexton@cs.com Seller: Charlie Sexton, 317-510-6856 E-mail: charles.sexton@dfas.mil (Profile) Location: INDIANAPOLIS, IN Post Date: 9/25/2000 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Tom Lambrecht hideomo@swbell.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 18:56:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31057; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:52:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:52:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41309D4@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: More Spanish Spam? Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:50:44 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com personally i would feel left out and bored if i didn't get a bunch of spanish-language ads for making money at home, new printers, viagra or what-have-you. luckily i do and now can spend most of my day trying to translate them. finally something to take my mind off of "important matters." stig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 18:57:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31025; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:51:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:51:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D0553C.9E0E0720@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:50:20 -0700 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: More Spanish Spam? References: <39CFBB16.F4448856@mindspring.com> <39D044BD.4A2AA0B2@vtx.ch> <000b01c02751$84fbc2a0$735cfea9@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom Lambrecht wrote: > > I've been around for awhile and haven't seen any of this . . . > > you guys haven't been sniffing at the Christine Aguillera photo site, have > you? is she from Argentina ? calude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 18:57:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30806; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:41:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:41:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:34:23 -0700 From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: More Spanish Spam? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000b01c02751$84fbc2a0$735cfea9@pavilion> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 References: <39CFBB16.F4448856@mindspring.com> <39D044BD.4A2AA0B2@vtx.ch> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <2L95NB.A.LhH.bS9z5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been around for awhile and haven't seen any of this . . . you guys haven't been sniffing at the Christine Aguillera photo site, have you? ;) Tom Lambrecht hideomo@swbell.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Claude Voit To: Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 11:39 PM Subject: Re: More Spanish Spam? > I'm getting almost one a day from argentina (.ar) > the 2-3 unreadable chinese one's plus > 1-2 incredible biuisysness oportunitiyes > from America > > I guess its fame > > seems that only "the older" LD member got From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 19:08:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31502; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:07:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:07:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000925190040.007bbd70@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:00:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: More Spanish Spam? In-Reply-To: <39D0553C.9E0E0720@vtx.ch> References: <39CFBB16.F4448856@mindspring.com> <39D044BD.4A2AA0B2@vtx.ch> <000b01c02751$84fbc2a0$735cfea9@pavilion> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Her father's Ecuadoran, I hear, and I'm completely embarrassed that I know that. Yeah, I've been getting mucho Argentine spammage as well... Tim At 12:50 AM 9/26/00 -0700, you wrote: >> you guys haven't been sniffing at the Christine Aguillera photo site, have >> you? > >is she from Argentina ? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 19:08:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31504; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:07:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:07:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: OdysseyFX3@aol.com Message-ID: <10.2afe1f0.27013478@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:06:32 EDT Subject: Re: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com unsubscribe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 19:08:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31560; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:08:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:08:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39CFD9B1.AA7F5B23@turino.ch> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:03:14 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,de,de-CH MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Spanish Spam References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41309D4@migarexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com solo hoy- se vende echoplex s/n serial por solo $8'000 se traspasa jamman 198 sec por solo $6'999 se vende viagra en cajas de 100 unidades se traspasa newsgroup ld por solo $1.89 solo hoy ... que esperas? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 19:11:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31770; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:10:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:10:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39CFDA44.20E17434@turino.ch> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:05:40 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs=20Turi=F1o?= X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,de,de-CH MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe References: <10.2afe1f0.27013478@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ladys and boyzzzz - the realtime unsubscribe loop > unsubscribe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 19:18:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31920; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:17:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:17:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D05B7D.800D5719@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:17:01 -0700 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe References: <10.2afe1f0.27013478@aol.com> <39CFDA44.20E17434@turino.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jesús Turiño wrote: > > ladys and boyzzzz - the realtime unsubscribe loop > > > unsubscribe Jesús its a bit late I'm unsubscribing you all because I just subscri-->bed night cla-u-de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 19:50:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32573; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:49:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:49:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a601c0274c$b628d160$5a934e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Spanish Spam Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:59:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <-WhnZD.A.t8H.FR-z5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Usted es muy chistoso, senor! -----Original Message----- From: Jesús Turiño To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, September 25, 2000 7:29 PM Subject: Spanish Spam >solo hoy- > >se vende echoplex s/n serial por solo $8'000 >se traspasa jamman 198 sec por solo $6'999 >se vende viagra en cajas de 100 unidades >se traspasa newsgroup ld por solo $1.89 > >solo hoy ... que esperas? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 20:41:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01112; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:34:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:34:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:33:19 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Line 6 Dl4 questions and concerns Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 207.69.30.40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all-mind if i pick your brain-just bought a line 6-having a few problems one being of my own doing and the other of line 6- 1. i want the alt 3/4 out on my mixer to run through my line 6 however i cannot seem to get a sound to go through it..i am using a 1402 mackie mixer-any ideas- 2. when i use the dl4 on my quiet ambient pieces (no i do not use it with guitar as i do not play it) like with waterphone or minidisc i get this click on the loop around it is there all the time-sometimes it is quieter than others-it drives me crazy-any ideas on that- (no i am not riding the level hard at all) if this pedal is not up to this task ia m not sure what i will do- i may go back to quadraverb2 or something that can rotate my sound without clicks and the like-thanks in advance c.white From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 21:01:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01575; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:00:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:00:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: More Spanish Spam? Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:04:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <39D044BD.4A2AA0B2@vtx.ch> Resent-Message-ID: <9SzDhC.A.MY.3T_z5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would guess it's the LD archives, rather than the LD list. bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. -----Original Message----- From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 11:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: More Spanish Spam? I'm getting almost one a day from argentina (.ar) the 2-3 unreadable chinese one's plus 1-2 incredible biuisysness oportunitiyes from America I guess its fame seems that only "the older" LD member got scanned anyway the recent members have enough problem with unsub or flame wars kind of spam too say yo na rra Calude Jim Poppen wrote: > > I haven't gotten one peice of Spanish spam. Just for the record. > > Jim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 21:02:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01632; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:01:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:01:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:00:40 -0700 Subject: Re: EDP reliability From: Tiktok To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200009260041.UAA01232@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have three of the devices, two for several years. I've carried them around in cheap racks and shock-mount cases, and they've yet to break on me. One took a fall (in a shock-mount rack) onto the concrete during load out just last week with no ill effects. You may have a bum unit, you may be hard on gear, or you may be unlucky, but I don't think there's any hard data to support the idea that the EDP is mechanically unsound. TH > From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:41:28 -0400 > To: Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #318 > >>> well as one of the very few echoplex endorsers... >>> no >>> offence, but i don't play in my basement (although i hear many folks make >>> great music there...) but doing a live radio show being broadcast on 250 >>> radios stations and having the plex decide that today is not a working >>> day... well... it just don't cut it. >>> i'm interested in anything that i can fly (in a very expensive shock >>> mount flight case) around the world and have it actually work when i get >>> there. is that so wrong? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 21:28:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02096; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:27:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:27:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:27:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200009252127.AA147915004@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: Line 6 Dl4 questions and concerns X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hey all-mind if i pick your brain-just bought a line 6-having a few problems one being of my own doing and the other of line 6- >1. i want the alt 3/4 out on my mixer to run through my line 6 however i cannot seem to get a sound to go through it..i am using a 1402 mackie mixer-any ideas- > I do this all the time with my Mackie 1202. Are you sure you are sending signal to it? You have to "mute" the tracks you want to send through the alt bus (at least on my 1202 and 1602). >2. when i use the dl4 on my quiet ambient pieces (no i do not use it with guitar as i do not play it) like with waterphone or minidisc i get this click on the loop around it is there all the time-sometimes it is quieter than others-it drives me crazy-any ideas on that- >(no i am not riding the level hard at all) > I do mostly ambient stuff and I haven't noticed a click at all in the loop. Maybe you have a bum unit? Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 23:05:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03679; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:04:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:04:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2f.aee2063.2700f642@aol.com> References: <2f.aee2063.2700f642@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:07:21 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Echoplex Reliability and "Repair Looping" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > mine's going back to the repair shop for the fourth time. >> brian >> electric bird noise >> >> And I just wonder--back to Gibson? For the fourth time? >> Gary >> >i think shane and the gang at gibson are trying hard to get all the bugs >worked out.......very friendly and understanding.....were else could i send >it? >to me the logical choice is the people that are making the suckers. >four times is quite a lot though.....they even sent me a new one on the third >try. >brian >electric bird noise this is horryfull loop really... But please consider that the ones that made the boards of the last Oberheim and first Gibson units are out of business. Shure you can blame Gibson as a whole for it, but noone that works on the units now. In other words, as you probably understood before: Please dont throw more shit than necessary on Shane or Trace, simply insist on perfectly working repair or replacement (which is sad since there are none, at the moment :-( ). ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 23:05:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03680; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:05:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:05:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39D044BD.4A2AA0B2@vtx.ch> References: <39CFBB16.F4448856@mindspring.com> <39D044BD.4A2AA0B2@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:07:21 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: More Spanish Spam? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'm getting almost one a day from argentina (.ar) >the 2-3 unreadable chinese one's plus >1-2 incredible biuisysness oportunitiyes >from America > >I guess its fame > >seems that only "the older" LD member got scanned so why dont you unsub and resub? I dont get any .ar stuff! ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 23:06:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03681; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:05:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:05:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39CF8A55.DAEE72C5@turino.ch> References: <39CF8A55.DAEE72C5@turino.ch> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:07:21 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: humor is back Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7KtGHC.A.S5.GJB05@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had some good loud laughs today: >Description: >Getting married and unloading some of the very best effects. > > i would like to never recieve mail from loopers again!!!!! >> >> i hope i am clear! > >Please don't go!!!!!! please oh please!!!!! >use clerasil I dont even know whats funny about it but I could hardly stop laughing... >solo hoy- > >se vende echoplex s/n serial por solo $8'000 >se traspasa jamman 198 sec por solo $6'999 >se vende viagra en cajas de 100 unidades >se traspasa newsgroup ld por solo $1.89 > >solo hoy ... que esperas? >add undo to the GOODLOOP device and you have time travel... >this power must only be used for good! >of course, we are usually travelling through time (mostly forward) and more... Hey I am happy fun is back. Isnt it amazing how such a spread group of crazy guys develop a dynamic as it they were all in the same pub - or even more :-) Since peace is back, the virtual pub offered Champaigne today... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 23:13:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03959; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:12:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:12:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:14:44 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Line 6 Dl4 questions and concerns Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >>2. when i use the dl4 on my quiet ambient pieces (no i do not use >>it with guitar as i do not play it) like with waterphone or >>minidisc i get this click on the loop around it is there all the >>time-sometimes it is quieter than others-it drives me crazy-any >>ideas on that- >>(no i am not riding the level hard at all) >> > >I do mostly ambient stuff and I haven't noticed a click at all in the loop. > I am not shure what you mean by hard level, but dont you open the mic for the waterphone a lot so you end up recording the mechanical click of the pedal (sorry if this sounds ridiculous for you, but it happens...) ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 23:21:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04204; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:20:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:20:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "c.white" To: Subject: RE: Line 6 Dl4 questions and concerns Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:22:47 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey mathias- not ridicculous at all-i found out it was a bad wire- i could not hear it when i was monitoring until the loop came in-odd stuff-btw i close mic the waterphone-the actual mic is in the aperture as per richard waters instructions so the only sound i get outta that beauty is pure waterphone bliss- i really apperciate your help though- regards, c.white -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 11:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line 6 Dl4 questions and concerns > >>2. when i use the dl4 on my quiet ambient pieces (no i do not use >>it with guitar as i do not play it) like with waterphone or >>minidisc i get this click on the loop around it is there all the >>time-sometimes it is quieter than others-it drives me crazy-any >>ideas on that- >>(no i am not riding the level hard at all) >> > >I do mostly ambient stuff and I haven't noticed a click at all in the loop. > I am not shure what you mean by hard level, but dont you open the mic for the waterphone a lot so you end up recording the mechanical click of the pedal (sorry if this sounds ridiculous for you, but it happens...) ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 23:24:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04323; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:23:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:23:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <64.6d431fb.27016fe1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:20:01 EDT Subject: swimming in the "LOOP POOL" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: <8HG9WD.A.RDB.CaB05@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just received howlin rick walkers "LOOP POOL" today, thanks rick!!........what great music........ great recording chops, im more that envious........really a wonderful cd.........get a copy!............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 25 23:34:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04492; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:33:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:33:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c0276a$7f5d2000$ccddd8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <2f.aee2063.2700f642@aol.com> Subject: Re: Echoplex Reliability and "Repair Looping" Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:33:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <3-3hqD.A.DGB.0jB05@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com With all due respect to this marvelous unit (the EDP)-- four times is truly three times too many. And you are having to return the brand new unit they gave you to replace the lemon? And this could happen to me when I least expect it? Guess I better plan an escape route from whatever loop I paint myself into . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 00:04:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04957; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:04:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:04:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:03:05 EDT Subject: Re: Echoplex Reliability and "Repair Looping" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/25/00 11:05:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, matthias@grob.org writes: > > > > mine's going back to the repair shop for the fourth time. > >> brian > >> electric bird noise > >> > >> And I just wonder--back to Gibson? For the fourth time? > >> Gary > >> > >i think shane and the gang at gibson are trying hard to get all the bugs > >worked out.......very friendly and understanding.....were else could i send > >it? > >to me the logical choice is the people that are making the suckers. > >four times is quite a lot though.....they even sent me a new one on the > third > >try. > >brian > >electric bird noise > > this is horryfull loop really... > But please consider that the ones that made the boards of the last > Oberheim and first Gibson units are out of business. Shure you can > blame Gibson as a whole for it, but noone that works on the units now. > In other words, as you probably understood before: > Please dont throw more shit than necessary on Shane or Trace, simply > insist on perfectly working repair or replacement (which is sad since > there are none, at the moment :-( ). > thank god i have a jamman to work with till i get a 100% working edp i love you shane(i know your listening)........please lift the curse brian electric bird noise From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 00:08:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05087; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:07:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:07:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:06:36 EDT Subject: Re: Echoplex Reliability and "Repair Looping" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/25/00 11:33:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, relayonemanband@cts.com writes: > > With all due respect to this marvelous unit (the EDP)-- > four times is truly three times too many. > And you are having to return the brand new unit they gave you to replace the > lemon? > And this could happen to me when I least expect it? > Guess I better plan an escape route from whatever loop I paint myself into . i suggest many hours just the man and machine....... please lift the curse, brian electric bird noise From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 00:08:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05055; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:07:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:07:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <12.2b53852.27017aae@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:06:06 EDT Subject: Re: humor is back To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -that Charlie Sexton fellow selling the gear....you don't suppose that's 'the' Charlie Sexton?! -anyone know? -just curious. Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 02:35:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06502; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:33:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:33:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Cc: Subject: RE: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:32:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just wanted to let everybody know that by far this is one of the funniest e-mails I've gotten in a long time... Good for you, Ieme! Keep up the good work. I wish you were more vocal about it too. J. | -----Original Message----- | From: ieme wieger de haan [mailto:iemedehaan@hotmail.com] | Sent: Monday 25 September 2000 8:46 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: Re: unsubscribe | | | i would like to never recieve mail from loopers again!!!!! | | | i hope i am clear! | | | ieme de haan | ________________________________________________________________ | _________ | Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at | http://www.hotmail.com. | | Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at | http://profiles.msn.com. | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 02:44:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06645; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:43:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:43:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200009260642.XAA05193@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: peaceland@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:45:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: James Musser Subject: Re: Deltalab repairs? In-Reply-To: <200009230612.XAA27876@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:14 PM 9/22/00 -0700, you wrote: >Anyone work on Deltalab stuff? >I have 2 with problems. So, no one knows of someone who does repairs on these guys, eh? Thanks... Peace, Love, & Music James Musser peaceland@earthlink.net Lessons at: http://home.earthlink.net/~peaceland/peaceland.htm Underwater Traffic: http://members.aol.com/utjam/ut.htm Top 100 Unsigned Bands in L.A. '99 - Music Connection Nominations: Best South Bay Band '97 - Rock City News Best Guitar '97 & Best L.A. Band '96 - LA Music Awards From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 02:52:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06811; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:51:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:51:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c02786$34ce2540$0100a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers List" Subject: OT: LapTop interfaces- Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:51:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just got some info from AES on a nifty interface for the laptop users on the list (of which I am not a part)- it is called the WaMi Box- http://egosys.net/eng/egosys.html I have been comparing audio interfaces for my PC and am inundated- clearly leaning towards the MOTU 2408 but the Digi 001 has some nice features and now I see the WaMi offering for full size PC... Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 03:31:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07158; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 03:30:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 03:30:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: jim@hemlock.violacea.com Message-ID: <39D0506C.AB2213E0@jguru.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:29:48 -0600 From: Jim Coker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: LapTop interfaces- References: <000d01c02786$34ce2540$0100a8c0@we.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Metric Halo announced a firewire based 1 rack unit interface w/ 8 channels analog i/o, 2 channels digital (AES or S/PDIF) and internal DSP. The version w/ 1 DSP is estimated to be $1500 list, one w/ 2 chips is at $2500. I spoke to a salesman on the phone today, but he didn't know what the latency would be for host-based processing, or if they were mLan compatible (I assume not, though the press release says that the rack box software is "upgradeable"). ETA is dec/january. There's some info on it at harmony central in their AES news section. BTW: I've had a 2408 for a couple years and have found it to be amazingly flexible -- but if the Metric Halo box works, and Apple can get a G4 powerbook out, I'm gonna chuck the 2408. Jim Om_Audio wrote: > Just got some info from AES on a nifty interface for the laptop users on the > list (of which I am not a part)- it is called the WaMi Box- > http://egosys.net/eng/egosys.html > > I have been comparing audio interfaces for my PC and am inundated- clearly > leaning towards the MOTU 2408 but the Digi 001 has some nice features and > now I see the WaMi offering for full size PC... > > Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 04:57:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07992; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 04:56:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 04:56:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [148.233.248.145] From: "Alejandro Martínez" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:55:08 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2000 08:55:08.0078 (UTC) FILETIME=[7873E4E0:01C02797] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: "Kevin Goldsmith" >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: Re: Repeater Group Buy >Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:03:20 -0400 > > >boys > >If you only knew whats in the next plex upgrade > > >Of course by the time that starts shipping in bulk, we'll be able to take >our flying cars to the Guitar Center Megaplex on Pluto to pick them up. > >Kevin > >-- >------------------------------------------------------------- >Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com >Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com >-- Now, here´s the humor, good one Kevin! Alex. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 04:57:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08010; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 04:56:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 04:56:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [148.233.248.145] From: "Alejandro Martínez" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: My suggestion, About Italo, The Spam, etc... Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:55:36 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2000 08:55:39.0776 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B58A000:01C02797] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, it seems that nobody was interested even in reading my last post about creating a Bullentin Board inside of LD web page for posting instead of this list, and to the only 2 guys who responded to that post (Todd Pafford & Mark Pulver) you didn´t even taked the time to read it well ´cause I don´t know in which language to put this again but here it´s for the 4th time: IT´S NOT ABOUT EMAIL FILTERS !!!, and I quote my previous email again: "I want to clarify and I thought I did it before that this isn´t a matter of using email filters (which I already did) ´cause even having all the LD emails delivered to a specific folder we still sometimes receive too many emails on a daily basis and using words to block certain emails like the guy on this list who was planning to put a filter to the word "Repeater" is not a solution ´cause maybe one of the replies to that topic may have something of interest.", again: I DO have a filter in my inbox to send all the LD list emails to a specific folder, the main reason for proposing a BB was that I think is a more efficient way to share important info, I´ll send again that post in case someone has the time to read it well and think about that proposal, of course now I´ll resend it with a catchy title like one that it seems to be one of the favourites on this list. The sad part was that I tried to make a long and well explanation about my idea and the only 2 responses I got were: "Let me just put in my vote against a web based BBoard by saying: Ugh." (Todd Pafford), and: "Yeup... With a good mail client you can all still easily filter out my babbling." (Mark Pulver), Mark: not everybody is subscribed to 31 mailing lists like you said you were and some of us doesn´t spend most of our day in front of a computer. I think one of the most important reasons why I proposed that was that if you´re a working musician it´s a much better way if you can check the topics, POST a new one or REPLY to them even if you´re on tour, on vacation or in some place where you can´t have access to your regular email account but you still have access to the Internet and just by accesing the LD web page you could do all that, isn´t that more useful?, now I guess the answer is NO if you anyways spend most of your day online. Funny thing is that in this last week we have received a bunch of emails that wouldn´t exist if we were using a BB : again those useless responses to the "unsubscribe" emails and to the Spam thing, actually for those who are afraid of receiving Spam ´cause of this list that´s another good reason for changing to a BB. About the emails of Italo de Angelis I think he made a good point specially at this: "keep talking about loopers, forgetting the reason of it all...where is music here? Did we forget about it? or it's only about boxes' features...", and what´s the point of the guy who said on this list "get your Visa ready" & "we are sitting here with our wallets open..." both for the Electrix Repeater?, at least this guy should practice his playing while waiting for the Repeater, too much about gear and impulse buying, too little about music here. And last but not least, about the guy who said he was an endorser for the EDP and was having troubles with it, I don´t think his complaints should be taken with reserve ´cause he´s not famous, everybody who payed the cash to get some gear deserves a quality unit like the official sponsors regardless of the intended use on that unit. Time to unsubscribe now, or better yet: unsubscribe me or I´ll sue!, (laughs). Alex. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 05:07:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08214; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 05:06:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 05:06:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [148.233.248.145] From: "Alejandro Martínez" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: More Spanish Spam!!... Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:04:45 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2000 09:04:45.0791 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0CBE6F0:01C02798] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here´s my post again now with a catchy title!, seriously read it if you have the time, no joke about it: >From: "Alejandro Martínez" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Suggestion to the LD mailing list. (UPDATED) >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:14:37 GMT > >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Alejandro Martínez [mailto:alexmartinez7@hotmail.com] >>Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 2:46 AM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Suggestion to the LD mailing list > >my suggestion is this: I think it >>will be a >>good idea to make the posting through a Bulletin Board type of page inside >>the Looper´s Delight web site > > >>From: "Cody Davis" >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: >>Subject: RE: Suggestion to the LD mailing list >>Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:16:11 -0500 >> >>I like your idea Alejandro and totally agree. Can this be done by the >>webmasters? > > Thanks Cody, that´s what I would like to know also, it seems that the idea didn´t get much interest on the list users or it wasn´t understood at all, I want to explain it again clearly, also I want to clarify and I thought I did it before that this isn´t a matter of using email filters (which I already did) ´cause even having all the LD emails delivered to a specific folder we still sometimes receive too many emails on a daily basis and using words to block certain emails like the guy on this list who was planning to put a filter to the word "Repeater" is not a solution ´cause maybe one of the replies to that topic may have something of interest. I would like that people on this list would have some minutes to check out the Bulletin Boards that I mentioned before: Ampage: http://www.ampage.org/ or Vintage guitar online: http://www.vintage-guitar.com:8080/forums/ to see what I´m talking about, I guess many of you have used a Bulletin Board service before but for those who haven´t please check those ´cause I really think that if this list moves to a BB format it will be more benefical for both users and the LD site itself ´cause the Lopper´s Delight web page will have more hits per day and that´s good ´cause more people would see the advertising banners that now Kim is starting to include which I think is a good idea to make the site autosufficient and that autosufficiency is something that Kim himself mentioned on the "LD sells out" email. I know that if I don´t want to have my inbox fill of LD messages I just can unsubscribe myself and check the LD archives but what if I want to reply to some topic or post a new one?: I need to subscribe again (and later unsubscribe, and later subscribe again and...). Wouldn´t be easier that we could actually post a reply or a new topic directly to the LD archives pages? (it´s OK if you need to be subscribed to do that!), I mean, the way the archives are organized in the "Thread" mode are almost the ideal way for a BB page, the ideal way would be that the page could be divided in two like the BB on AMPAGE so we can click on a topic´s name and on the right side of the screen we can read ALL the responses to that topic and also POST a reply directly on there too!, here are some more benefits: * The hard drive space that the list uses now on the server will be reduced ´cause we wouldn´t need to leave or quote the original message in every respose to that topic, actually if you now check the posts on the LD archives they are like the original emails: every response has a copy of the original message and in many cases a copy of some of the responses, in a BB format the original message will be ONLY on the top and below will be every response in cronological order, isn´t that easier?. * You eliminate the need of unsubscribing when you´re out of your home for some days or not liking the list anymore, and no more "unsubscribe me or I´ll sue" type of emails with their corresponding and useless responses. * You can have categories sorted like for example: Echoplex D.P., Jamman, Kyma, Repeater, Upcoming shows by area, etc., and actually this option is useful for the guy who wated to create a Roland´s Handsonic mailing list too. * You can post long topics without worrying to use too much bandwidth and filling other´s inboxes and actually the posts would be benefited with contributions of other people which didn´t read the original´s topic email in the first time ´cause they were unsubscribed at that time or they thought it wasn´t interesting enough to read it originally. * You can check the topics, POST a new one or REPLY to them even if you´re on vacation, on tour or in some place where you can´t have access to your regular email account but you still have access to the Internet and just by accesing the LD web page you can do all that, isn´t that more useful?. Maybe the list has grown too much and it´s time to move to a bigger home, imagine if all the users on the list would make a post per day, that´s a lot of emails in your inbox I think, why not use the already avalible space on the LD archives pages?, and as I told you before I don´t spend too much time on the Internet on a daily basis and just check my inbox once a day, I think some users on this list also do that too that´s why I think it would be easier to check the posts, REPLY to them and POST new ones whenever you have the time on a BB. I would like that Kim Flint who is the owner of this list and other users would comment something on this idea. Thanks. Alex. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 07:41:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA09383; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:40:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:40:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <29.a9eea07.2701e4eb@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:39:23 EDT Subject: Re: swimming in the "LOOP POOL" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey! whaddya mean 'loop pool'? tha's been the name of my studio, since '93..... 8-) dt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 08:39:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09871; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:38:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:38:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000926083214.00960dd0@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: floyd@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:38:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: B-board In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alex makes a good point for moving to a WEB=based format, especially keen is the point about directing people right to the LD WEB site where the answers to many questions can be found. And it would at least stop ubiquitous topic of unsubscribing. I have one problem with that type of forum... forums I have moved to WEB-only (which egroups gives you the option to do) have gone way to the back burner. The out-of-sigh, out-of-mind syndrome. At first I would log on everyday and read posts, then less often to the point where there would be too many posts to even bother reading all the subject lines. This is just a case of my personal WEB habits, but perhaps a consideration for others. ************************ Floyd Miller ***************** floyd@studiodust.com ************ http://www.studiodust.com ******** http://www.studiodust.com/~floyd ***** palace://studiodust.com:9998 ** TPV: http://www.thepalace.com:8000/perl/palentry.pl?ID=WD9S7VM2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 10:46:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11314; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:44:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:44:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000926094046.00f216c0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:42:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: My suggestion, About Italo, The Spam, etc... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Alejandro Martínez (03:55 AM 09.26.2000) wrote: >Hi, it seems that nobody was interested even in reading my last post about >creating a Bullentin Board inside of LD web page for posting instead of >this list, and to the only 2 guys who responded to that post (Todd Pafford & >Mark Pulver) you didn´t even taked the time to read it well ´cause I don´t >know in which language to put this again but here it´s for the 4th time: >IT´S NOT ABOUT EMAIL FILTERS !!! I know it's not about email filters. Very little of my response to you had to do with filtering. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 11:15:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11740; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:12:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:12:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D0BCB7.87FD0827@voicenet.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:11:51 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AH , DH , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Korg Kaoss manual now online... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com NOTE: Please do not reply to these lists, it is cross posted. The Korg Kaoss pad manual is now available online. It is only two pages and contains the full preset list as well as some basic midi info. Grab it at: http://machines.hyperreal.org/manufacturers/Korg/KAOSS/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 12:05:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12486; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:02:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:02:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c027d3$6bf9f560$93936fd4@y5w2s5> From: "whiteoakstudios" To: References: <39CFBB16.F4448856@mindspring.com> <39D044BD.4A2AA0B2@vtx.ch> <000f01c02751$bf317e60$735cfea9@pavilion> Subject: Re: loopers FS NOT MINE Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:46:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <9pqMZD.A.NCD.3fM05@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com He'll be sorry! Gareth > Getting married and unloading some of the very best effects. > Check these out; they will go Quick!!! > > Barber Burn Unit - $185 > Barber Tone Pump - $185 > ZVex Super Hard on - $150 > ZVex Volume Probe - $250 (discontinued) > Oberheim Echoplex > Digital Pro - $750 > Echoplex EP3 SS - $400 * (new tape & serviced) Ex++ > Space Echo RE-201 - $400 * (new tape & serviced) Ex++ > Line6 "DL4" - $230 (Echo Modeler) > Boss Harmonizer HR-2 - $150 > EBOW Plus - $110 > Visual Sound Volume Pdl - $90 > BBE-100 Sonic Mazimizer - $90 > Art Tube MP - $90 > > * All effects are mint except where noted. > > Buyer pays shipping. Certified check. Serious inquiries only. > > Charlie Sexton > 317-816-4184 (H) > 317-510-6856 (W) > charles.sexton@dfas.mil > gtrmansexton@cs.com > Seller: Charlie Sexton, 317-510-6856 > E-mail: charles.sexton@dfas.mil (Profile) > Location: INDIANAPOLIS, IN > Post Date: 9/25/2000 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > > Tom Lambrecht > > hideomo@swbell.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 12:08:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12697; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:06:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:06:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.76.82.65] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Spam advice Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:05:23 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2000 16:05:23.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[939FCCC0:01C027D3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you don't want to get spam in your "real" home or work account, I would recommend obtaining one of those free email accounts such as Hotmail, unsubscribing from your "real" account, and resubscribing yourself from your free account. The reason is that the Looper's Delight mailing list archives are easily accessible to spam bots - software that scans web sites for email addresses and harvests them for spamming. It's not just Looper's Delight, many list archives that are accessible from the Web are vulnerable to this as well such as L-soft, Listserv, etc. So this email list alone is not to blame - if you are on other mailing lists, you may have exposed your email address through there as well. eGroups archives require a password before you can access them and even if you do the email addresses have "-"s inserted or overwritten over certain characters. Dunno about Topica. Anyway, in general, don't use your "real" account for mailing lists or posting to the Net in general. Paolo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 12:22:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12990; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:20:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:20:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SussieRegina@aol.com Message-ID: <44.778792a.27022678@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:19:04 EDT Subject: Big Sur Looping Festival 2000, Oct.1,2:00pm@Henry Miller Library To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 117 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 3 looping artists,The Listen House Project(Peter Coates),Loop.pooL(Rick Walker) and Totally Looped(Gary Regina)will each be doing 3/45minute sets starting at 2pm,Oct. 1 @The Henry Miller Library in Big Sur,California,outside under the Redwood trees.Each will have their own cd's for sale.This will be the first of many festivals planned for the Northern Calif.area.I (gary regina) would love to get people outside this area to open shows here and I'd love to go to your area and open shows there.I think we can really get this music off the ground.Please e-mail me @garyregina@hotmail.com if this sounds interesting!Thanks,and please check out this show,it's going to be great!!!Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 12:32:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13199; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:30:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:30:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:32:01 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: LapTop interfaces- From: Andrew Pask To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <39D0506C.AB2213E0@jguru.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_9aY1.A.DOD.u7M05@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Metric Halo announced a firewire based 1 rack unit interface > w/ 8 channels analog i/o, 2 channels digital (AES or S/PDIF) > and internal DSP. The version w/ 1 DSP is estimated to be $1500 list, > one w/ 2 chips is at $2500. I spoke to a salesman on the phone > today, but he didn't know what the latency would be for host-based > processing, or if they were mLan compatible (I assume not, though > the press release says that the rack box software is "upgradeable"). > ETA is dec/january. There's some info on it at harmony central in > their AES news section. > I don't know if it'll matter too much if it's not mLan compatible, they're including both native drivers and ASIO drivers, hopefully it'll work straight out of the box with most of our apps. http://www.mhlabs.com/mobileio/mobile_IO.html L8r Andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 12:33:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13234; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:31:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:31:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:12:57 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: BB interface In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA13205 Resent-Message-ID: <907_jC.A.gOD.h8M05@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:04 AM -0700 9/26/00, Alejandro MartÌnez wrote: >Here¥s my post again now with a catchy title!, seriously read it if you have >the time, no joke about it: please stop posting this over and over again. everybody saw it the first time. >>my suggestion is this: I think it >>>will be a >>>good idea to make the posting through a Bulletin Board type of page inside >>>the Looper¥s Delight web site >> thanks for the suggestion, but I have no intention of converting the LD list to a web bulletin board format. The purpose of LD is to build a community of people following this looping idea, and over the years I've found that the mailing list format does an excellent job of that. Bulletin boards do not work nearly so well in that regard, instead I find them to be rather random and discourage the formation of community. If you really prefer a web interface, than just use the list archives! There are many people who do this, in fact. The archive is automatically updated throughout the day, and it allows you to view posts by thread, author, or date, or search for whatever you want. So the archive is practically a BB and can serve the purposes you are looking for. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 12:59:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13748; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:57:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:57:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41309DC@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Big Sur Looping Festival 2000, Oct.1,2:00pm@Henry Miller Libr ary Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:54:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ** sounds cool. i can't be there Playing that eve in l.a.), but i do want to tel people that the henry miller library is a wonderful place to play and listen to music (i did so back in may at the big sur experimental music fest). nothing like looking up at trees that are several hundred feet tall while playing. have fun. stig 3 looping artists,The Listen House Project(Peter Coates),Loop.pooL(Rick Walker) and Totally Looped(Gary Regina)will each be doing 3/45minute sets starting at 2pm,Oct. 1 @The Henry Miller Library in Big Sur,California,outside under the Redwood trees.Each will have their own cd's for sale.This will be the first of many festivals planned for the Northern Calif.area.I (gary regina) would love to get people outside this area to open shows here and I'd love to go to your area and open shows there.I think we can really get this music off the ground.Please e-mail me @garyregina@hotmail.com if this sounds interesting!Thanks,and please check out this show,it's going to be great!!!Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 13:20:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14126; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:18:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:18:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D0DA50.6290355F@dmans.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:18:08 -0500 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: boomerang update References: <37.a8047d4.26fc270c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1tRnp.A.PcD.coN05@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > 4) being able to go down a 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th, and octave is nice, i havent > figured out if i can record a loop then drop it a 2nd and then stack a new > loop on top then go back to the original speed then drop all of that down say > a 4th...........does that make any sense?.......... Yes, yes, yes. Any order, forward or reverse stacking at any speed. I haven't even tried what you are talking about, but the Rang can certainly support that type of looping madness. > would like to thank MIKE NELSON and the folks at BOOMERANG MUSICAL PRODUCTS > for making an excellent instument even better...........michael Thanks for the kind words, Michael. -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 13:38:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14421; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:37:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:37:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:17:47 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: More Spanish Spam? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA14392 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>seems that only "the older" LD member got scanned > so why dont you unsub and resub? I dont get any .ar stuff! I thought of doing that as well... but aren't wa ALREADY on their list? They'll just keep sending it to my email address... I'm thinking that a filter to a spam folder is probably the best bet. -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 15:17:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15901; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:16:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:16:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D0F6A5.F41456FB@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:22:04 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Big Sur Looping Festival 2000, Oct.1,2:00pm@Henry Miller Library References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41309DC@migarexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > ** sounds cool. i can't be there Playing that eve in l.a.), but i do want to > tel people that the henry miller library is a wonderful place to play and > listen to music (i did so back in may at the big sur experimental music > fest). nothing like looking up at trees that are several hundred feet tall > while playing. > > have fun. > > stig > > 3 looping artists,The Listen House Project(Peter Coates),Loop.pooL(Rick > Walker) and Totally Looped(Gary Regina)will each be doing 3/45minute sets > starting at 2pm,Oct. 1 @The Henry Miller Library in Big > Sur,California,outside under the Redwood trees.Each will have their own cd's > > for sale.This will be the first of many festivals planned for the Northern > Calif.area.I (gary regina) would love to get people outside this area to > open > shows here and I'd love to go to your area and open shows there.I think we > can really get this music off the ground.Please e-mail me > @garyregina@hotmail.com if this sounds interesting!Thanks,and please check > out this show,it's going to be great!!!Gary alas i will miss it also, but must second steuart's opinion re the henry miller library. amazing venue (and you can get a killer breakfast down the road at deetjen's!) steuart, where be you playin' at? this the stinkbug crew? lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 15:31:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16315; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:30:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:30:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <4a.b568ddf.27025303@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:29:07 EDT Subject: spoolevilliveloops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/26/00 2:58:43 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, Steuart.Liebig@maritz.com writes: << nothing like looking up at trees that are several hundred feet tall while playing. >> that would freak me out, id rather look at my bed...........:)...........also dt, you will find h.r.walker playin at this gig and you can tell him about "loop pool", its a small world after all..............glad to help.............:)..............rick, thanks again, great cd........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 15:44:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16520; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:42:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:42:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41309E1@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: so cal, usa, gig spam Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:39:02 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Jeff Kaiser Trio Jeff Kaiser, trumpet and electronics, loopage (DL-4) Steuart Liebig. bass and electronics, loopage (EH-16, akai headrush) Woody Aplanalp, guitars and electronics, loopage (boomerang) with Phil Haines/Vinny Golia Duo Phil Haines, drums Vinny Golia, woodwinds Sunday, October 1, 7 pm, $10 Eagle Rock Community Center The corner of Colorado Blvd. and Eagle Rock in Eagle Rock. For Directions: http://www.mapblast.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 17:39:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18523; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:37:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:37:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <20.be88d80.2702708d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:35:09 EDT Subject: boomerang upgrade To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com loop a / loop b..........what fun, and so intuative..........at first i thought the upgrade made the rang more complex, not so! and the rewards are very nice.........to have a bridge or whatever with your first loop is a gas and to be able to bring it in and take it out in real time is very sweet.........also, i was used to the octave drop/rise prior to the upgrade, the 2nd 4th etc. are very subtle and a nice way to spice things up (this is not a real time feature) but still nice...........more later...........must play...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 21:15:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21734; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:14:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:14:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c02828$4ecdffe0$aaf538cb@v6b2l9> From: "stevenw" To: References: Subject: Re: More Spanish Spam? Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:11:46 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So am I Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri To: Loopers Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 4:58 AM Subject: RE: More Spanish Spam? > I'm getting it too... > > bIz > > > Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. > 1.800.555.Tell > biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say > 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen P. Goodman [mailto:sgoodman@earthlight.net] > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 10:18 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: More Spanish Spam? > > Is it just me or has there been a huge increase in the amount of Spanish > Language Spam being received? I would like to hope that it's not because of > being on this list, which I continue to find informative if not > entertaining... > > Stephen & Sarah Goodman > http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! > http://www.mp3.com/StephenGoodman * New MP3 Releases! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 21:21:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21962; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:20:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:20:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:22:32 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: BB interface Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >If you really prefer a web interface, than just use the list archives! >There are many people who do this, in fact. The archive is automatically >updated throughout the day, and it allows you to view posts by thread, >author, or date, or search for whatever you want. So the archive is >practically a BB and can serve the purposes you are looking for. I started this for and find it great exept that I was not allowed to answer... Could there be some kind of a "Archive Subscription" where you dont get the mails but are allowed to post to the list? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 21:21:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21963; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:20:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:20:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <29.a9eea07.2701e4eb@aol.com> References: <29.a9eea07.2701e4eb@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:22:32 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: swimming in the "LOOP POOL" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >hey! >whaddya mean 'loop pool'? >tha's been the name of my studio, since '93..... >8-) >dt actually, it has been the name of my news letter about looping in '92, the precursor of Loopers Delight ! its just too obvious, Dave... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 21:30:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22204; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:29:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:29:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D14CCE.83887F1F@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:26:38 -0700 From: Rick Walker Organization: Loop.pooL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: the use of Loop.pooL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear David (and in the last 15 minutes.........Matthew), My name is Rick Walker. I am a solo looping/abstract electronica artist who has been performing for the last five years using the moniker Loop.pooL in Northern California. My friend Miko B told me about the letter you wrote to this site regarding the moniker Loop.pooL and about the fact that you have called your studios Looppool since 1993. First I want apologize because I have never known this and in no way, intentionally, stole the name from you. It was sheer ignorance on my part. Secondly, because you are not using this name as a band name or an album project, it doesn't seem that there is a huge conflict here. I am a regional artist with my first CD out. I have sold all of 120 copies of it (because I am burning them myself and distributing themselves whilst supporting myself as a touring/recording drummer/ percussionist/producer). I am very, very small time compared to your illustrious career. The style of my music precludes me from ever getting very big (although I have the feeling that you might appreciate it yourself). In 1989, I started a band called Worlds Collide which was a world fusion band. A year after we released our first CD we became aware that a punk band in Southern California had started to use the same name (also, unbeknownst to them that there was a 'conflict'). We figured that if we were in the face of losing millions of dollars and competing with the band for MTV airtime that we might have to resolve the issue, but we let it ride and there never was a conflict. In !982 I had a very theatrical new wave band called Tao Chemical. We found out after the fact that Gordon Mumma (the noted electronic/avante garde composer) had been using that name (again, unbeknowsnt to us) as his publishing company moniker. We asked him to come down and see us, which he did and afterwords he gave us his blessing to go ahead and use the name. I would like to ask you the same thing. I would like to send you my C.D., have you hear it and ask you for the blessing to use the name as a band name only! It is not in my spritual being to be exploitive, of that you can be sure. I also have several hundred fans in this region (the Santa Cruz/Monterey bay area) many of whom, I'm sure are familiar with your work. Not one of them has ever noticed that there was a duplication of this name in the last five years. I just don't think there is a conflict. I know that my use of this moniker will never deprive you of a single penny of income. I hope you see it that way, too. I look forward to hearing from you, and , again, my sincerest apologies for causing you any consternation. Yours, in the ever elusive search for the muse, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 21:39:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22640; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:39:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:39:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: the use of Loop.pooL Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:42:09 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <39D14CCE.83887F1F@cruzio.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ack! Unsubscribe! Unsubscribe! No more Spanish spam! bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker [mailto:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 6:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: the use of Loop.pooL Dear David (and in the last 15 minutes.........Matthew), My name is Rick Walker. I am a solo looping/abstract electronica artist who has been performing for the last five years using the moniker Loop.pooL in Northern California. My friend Miko B told me about the letter you wrote to this site regarding the moniker Loop.pooL and about the fact that you have called your studios Looppool since 1993. First I want apologize because I have never known this and in no way, intentionally, stole the name from you. It was sheer ignorance on my part. Secondly, because you are not using this name as a band name or an album project, it doesn't seem that there is a huge conflict here. I am a regional artist with my first CD out. I have sold all of 120 copies of it (because I am burning them myself and distributing themselves whilst supporting myself as a touring/recording drummer/ percussionist/producer). I am very, very small time compared to your illustrious career. The style of my music precludes me from ever getting very big (although I have the feeling that you might appreciate it yourself). In 1989, I started a band called Worlds Collide which was a world fusion band. A year after we released our first CD we became aware that a punk band in Southern California had started to use the same name (also, unbeknownst to them that there was a 'conflict'). We figured that if we were in the face of losing millions of dollars and competing with the band for MTV airtime that we might have to resolve the issue, but we let it ride and there never was a conflict. In !982 I had a very theatrical new wave band called Tao Chemical. We found out after the fact that Gordon Mumma (the noted electronic/avante garde composer) had been using that name (again, unbeknowsnt to us) as his publishing company moniker. We asked him to come down and see us, which he did and afterwords he gave us his blessing to go ahead and use the name. I would like to ask you the same thing. I would like to send you my C.D., have you hear it and ask you for the blessing to use the name as a band name only! It is not in my spritual being to be exploitive, of that you can be sure. I also have several hundred fans in this region (the Santa Cruz/Monterey bay area) many of whom, I'm sure are familiar with your work. Not one of them has ever noticed that there was a duplication of this name in the last five years. I just don't think there is a conflict. I know that my use of this moniker will never deprive you of a single penny of income. I hope you see it that way, too. I look forward to hearing from you, and , again, my sincerest apologies for causing you any consternation. Yours, in the ever elusive search for the muse, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 21:47:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22880; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:46:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:46:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:44:51 -0700 Subject: Electrochakra @ Hana's Lounge (Seattle looping show) 10/1/00 From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" CC: Tiktok Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7BNj8D.A.QlF.VEV05@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Electrochakra, a loop-heavy instrumental improvising unit (gtr/gtr/bass/samples) will be playing this Sunday at Hana's Lounge (1914th 8th Avenue, Seattle, Washington), starting between 6 and 9PM (call the venue [206-977-2625] the day of the show for "precise" starting time--while you're at it, ask them what the cover may or may not be, since we have no idea at this time, but probably free). A fine array of flashing lights and groovy sounds will be deployed for your listening and gear-gawking pleasure. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett Electrochakra -- www.mp3.com/electrochakra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 22:38:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23622; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:37:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:37:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.240.220.177] From: "space module" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: the use of Loop.pooL Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:35:25 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2000 02:35:25.0541 (UTC) FILETIME=[976A6150:01C0282B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Ack! Unsubscribe! Unsubscribe! No more Spanish spam! How does this spanish spam taste? Is it an acquired taste? Is it good with Huevos Rancheros? How does it compare to Chorizo (sp?)? Any recipes you can recommend? ¡Muy Bueno! sm _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 26 23:28:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24480; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:27:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:27:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000926232000.007c1dc0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:20:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: BB interface In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe if you set up one of those free accounts like Hotmail or Yahoo and ONLY used it for a list subscription... (Just periodically delete your whole queue.) That way you could read the archives, and if you chose to post, you'd be subscribed with an address that you wouldn't have to spend any time checking. At 10:22 PM 9/26/00 -0300, you wrote: >> >>If you really prefer a web interface, than just use the list archives! >>There are many people who do this, in fact. The archive is automatically >>updated throughout the day, and it allows you to view posts by thread, >>author, or date, or search for whatever you want. So the archive is >>practically a BB and can serve the purposes you are looking for. > >I started this for and find it great exept that I was not allowed to answer... >Could there be some kind of a "Archive Subscription" where you dont >get the mails but are allowed to post to the list? > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 01:36:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25997; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 01:34:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 01:34:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000926232000.007c1dc0@pop.ici.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20000926232000.007c1dc0@pop.ici.net> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 02:36:12 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: BB interface Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tims Solution: >Maybe if you set up one of those free accounts like Hotmail or Yahoo and >ONLY used it for a list subscription... (Just periodically delete your >whole queue.) That way you could read the archives, and if you chose to >post, you'd be subscribed with an address that you wouldn't have to spend >any time checking. ah right, this was meant in some other mail before and I did not quite understand, right? Thank you ! > >At 10:22 PM 9/26/00 -0300, you wrote: >>> >>>If you really prefer a web interface, than just use the list archives! >>>There are many people who do this, in fact. The archive is automatically >>>updated throughout the day, and it allows you to view posts by thread, >>>author, or date, or search for whatever you want. So the archive is >>>practically a BB and can serve the purposes you are looking for. >> >>I started this for and find it great exept that I was not allowed to >answer... >>Could there be some kind of a "Archive Subscription" where you dont >>get the mails but are allowed to post to the list? >> >> >> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org >> >> > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 01:39:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26159; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 01:38:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 01:38:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000927053734.2213.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:37:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: WorldWide Spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2TKMGB.A.KYG.jeY05@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I cannot speak about Spanish spam, but I have had fried spam in Singapore and it was just as wonderful as USA Spam. I think the formula and quality control of spam are beyond country borders. What I mean to say is that the properties of spam are the same throughout the universe. bret --- space module wrote: > > > > >Ack! Unsubscribe! Unsubscribe! No more Spanish spam! > > How does this spanish spam taste? Is it an acquired taste? Is it > good with > Huevos Rancheros? How does it compare to Chorizo (sp?)? Any recipes > you > can recommend? > > ¡Muy Bueno! > > sm > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 01:45:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26299; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 01:44:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 01:44:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39D14CCE.83887F1F@cruzio.com> References: <39D14CCE.83887F1F@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 02:47:06 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: re: the use of Loop.pooL Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick You suffer with your bands names, huh? For me I dont see any problem, since there were only two issues of looppool and the site was not called like it. I dont remember wheter it was because Kim did not like it or because we knew about Davids studio :-) Now, a famous studio and a famous band with the same name? - not my business. There might be another 6 things in the world with this name... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 07:22:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA28666; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:20:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:20:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <4e.b8dcd57.270331a6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:19:02 EDT Subject: Re: swimming in the "LOOP POOL" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com okay, okay..... i gonna change it, now..... best, dt >>hey! >>whaddya mean 'loop pool'? >>tha's been the name of my studio, since '93..... >>8-) >>dt > >actually, it has been the name of my news letter about looping in >'92, the precursor of Loopers Delight ! > >its just too obvious, Dave... > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > >----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- >Return-Path: >Received: from rly-yc05.mx.aol.com (rly-yc05.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.37]) >by air-yc04.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.3) with ESMTP; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:20:34 >-0400 >Received: from hemlock.violacea.com (hemlock.superb.net [207.228.238.9]) >by rly-yc05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:19:48 >-0400 >Received: (from looper@localhost) > by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21952; > Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:19:44 -0400 >Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:19:44 -0400 >Old-Return-Path: >Mime-Version: 1.0 >X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br >Message-Id: >In-Reply-To: <29.a9eea07.2701e4eb@aol.com> >References: <29.a9eea07.2701e4eb@aol.com> >Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:22:32 -0300 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >From: Matthias Grob >Subject: Re: swimming in the "LOOP POOL" >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Resent-Message-ID: >Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1333 >X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 07:25:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA28756; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:23:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:23:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <96.a1cfe56.27033265@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:22:13 EDT Subject: Re: re: the use of Loop.pooL To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rw, no, don't worry, really! as matthias pointed-out: *he* used that name on his newsletter, in '92! s'all good; i'm gonna change the name of my studio..... not that difficult, as it's not a *commercial* joint, anyway. best, dt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 07:27:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA28834; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:25:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:25:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 06:21:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200009271121.GAA27652@servidor.unam.mx> X-Sender: smaug@servidor.unam.mx (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andy Soto Subject: OT: Roland CE-301 for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id HAA28761 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Working perfectly, very good cosmetic looks, price:$550, shipping´s on me. Andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 07:57:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA29104; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:56:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:56:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4e.b8dcd57.270331a6@aol.com> References: <4e.b8dcd57.270331a6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:59:25 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: swimming in the "LOOP POOL" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >okay, okay..... >i gonna change it, now..... >best, >dt >>>hey! >>>whaddya mean 'loop pool'? >>>tha's been the name of my studio, since '93..... >>>8-) >>>dt >> >>actually, it has been the name of my news letter about looping in >>'92, the precursor of Loopers Delight ! >> > > >its just too obvious, Dave... I just typed www.looppool.com and there is a nice loopy graphics but no link. Is it one of yours? I then thought: what would the world expect to find at Looppool? Probably a collection of loops, uploaded by loopers for anyone to enrich his music (I mean: not just drum loops :-) Today it seems that the de facto owner of a brand is the one who registered brand.com, no? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 08:06:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29246; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:05:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:05:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <9e.a226d5c.27033c69@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:04:57 EDT Subject: Re: swimming in the "LOOP POOL" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Today it seems that the de facto owner of a brand is the one who >registered brand.com, no? or: brand.cc, brand.net, brand.etc..... 8-) d From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 09:08:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29787; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:07:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:07:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: McCullaghJ@Logica.com Subject: Re: swimming in the "LOOP POOL" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:05:09 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 27/09/2000 14:05:10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8zvRpB.A.7QH.nCf05@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com MG: > I just typed www.looppool.com and there is a nice loopy > graphics but no link. click in the centre of the "O" .. very odd site .. a bit slow in places. as for owning the .com .net etc .. yes, the .com owner is sorta the "real" brand .. but you can always find an obscure one to get :-) Christmas Islands (.CX) or. my personal favourite, .FM .. the Federated States of Micronesia. The country that has .MD is trying to encourage doctors to buy into their virtual real-estate .. it's a weird world web. J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 11:06:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30954; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:05:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:05:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [130.227.205.217] From: "Jon Meinild" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: repeater-offer Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:02:51 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2000 15:02:51.0700 (UTC) FILETIME=[01CF2F40:01C02894] Resent-Message-ID: <0guchD.A.YjH.6wg05@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I heard some bird sing about a repeater-special-offer? Some information, please (I have just subscribed recently). From Jon meinild: jon_meinild@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 11:33:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31303; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:32:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:32:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <18.2c785e0.27036c99@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:30:33 EDT Subject: Re: swimming in the "LOOP POOL" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com McCullaghJ@Logica.com writes: >it's a weird world web. hai, dozo..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 11:59:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31690; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:58:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:58:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.189.148.4] From: "K. Michael Odnaloc" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Vortex question Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:54:04 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2000 15:54:05.0099 (UTC) FILETIME=[29B2A7B0:01C0289B] Resent-Message-ID: <4x-80C.A.euH.8gh05@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a Vortex unit that I'm quite fond of except for one thing, it seems to contribute a lot of noise to my signal (a fairly high level of hiss that is present when the unit is on and even perhaps a bit louder when the unit is bypassed). Can anyone tell me if the Vortex is generally a noisy box or would you think its just something about my particular Vortex? If you think I'm just one of the fortunate ones, then does anyone have any ideas of a cause or fix (I know I can send it to Lexicon but the $75 fee is a bit steep for me at this point you know). Thanks in advance KMC _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 12:21:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32004; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:19:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:19:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F9132A5D@mail.davitt-hanser.com> From: Todd Quincy To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Vortex question Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:22:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can anyone tell me if the Vortex is generally a noisy box or > would you think its just something about my particular Vortex? > [Todd Quincy] Mine offers a nice bit of hiss as well. Try other presets I think you'll see the level of hiss varies from program to program. I'm not sure which parameter is the main culprit though. tq openjam.com (my studio, web site, newsletter, nickname, live show, next album, etc..) I did think looppool was ingenious though!!! Hat's off to everyone who thought of it! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 13:04:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32699; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:03:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:03:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009201c028a5$6c8d7a60$d37879a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Vortex question Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:04:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com $75? Try $95- unless the unlikely possibility has occured and they have lowered their repair fee- My unit adds plenty of noise, and colors the sound terribly in bypass- but I loves it jes the same- C -----Original Message----- From: K. Michael Odnaloc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 8:59 AM Subject: Vortex question >I have a Vortex unit that I'm quite fond of except for one thing, it seems >to contribute a lot of noise to my signal (a fairly high level of hiss that >is present when the unit is on and even perhaps a bit louder when the unit >is bypassed). Can anyone tell me if the Vortex is generally a noisy box or >would you think its just something about my particular Vortex? > >If you think I'm just one of the fortunate ones, then does anyone have any >ideas of a cause or fix (I know I can send it to Lexicon but the $75 fee is >a bit steep for me at this point you know). > >Thanks in advance > >KMC >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 13:12:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00530; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:11:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:11:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:46:44 -0400 (EDT) From: noah X-Sender: fishmong@aint-got-nothin.mit.edu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought the same thing for the first months I owned mine. After much tweaking of the mix and output parameters on each patch, and carefully adjusting the input level and aux send controls on my mixer, I can record straight to DAT with no hiss, clicks or pops. -><- On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, K. Michael Odnaloc wrote: > I have a Vortex unit that I'm quite fond of except for one thing, it seems > to contribute a lot of noise to my signal (a fairly high level of hiss that > is present when the unit is on and even perhaps a bit louder when the unit > is bypassed). Can anyone tell me if the Vortex is generally a noisy box or > would you think its just something about my particular Vortex? > > If you think I'm just one of the fortunate ones, then does anyone have any > ideas of a cause or fix (I know I can send it to Lexicon but the $75 fee is > a bit steep for me at this point you know). > > Thanks in advance > > KMC > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 14:24:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01400; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:21:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:21:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D23A81.640A629A@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:26:29 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the use of Loop.pooL References: <39D14CCE.83887F1F@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0vu7tB.A.4U.nlj05@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick Walker wrote: > Dear David (and in the last 15 minutes.........Matthew), > My name is Rick Walker. I am a solo looping/abstract electronica > artist who has been performing for the last five years using the moniker > Loop.pooL in Northern California.... hey rick just so ya don't feel too bad, there's not one, not two, but three companies with the name treehouse (the design studio i share with my wife) not just in the state of california, but right here on the west side of lost angeles...we thought it was kinda original back in 1994; tho i think we've been here the longest, i gotta say i'm losing no sleep over it. lance g. ps if we decide to change the name, you'll be the first person i call for input :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 14:41:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01703; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:39:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:39:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D1F854.D1E0FEAA@texas.net> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:38:29 +0000 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey noah - got some hints for the rest of us? noah wrote: > I thought the same thing for the first months I owned mine. After much > tweaking of the mix and output parameters on each patch, and carefully > adjusting the input level and aux send controls on my mixer, I can record > straight to DAT with no hiss, clicks or pops. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 16:38:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03851; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:36:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:36:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D25A1D.F56144EE@subnet.virtual-pc.com> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:35:41 +0100 From: david cooper orton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: swimming in the "LOOP POOL" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just tried the link www.looppool.com and received an error message telling me to check the server or some such, so I suppose as far as my ISPs' concerned, the site has fallen through the loophole. And I didn't even necessarily need the whole loop, either. But the mp3 moments from Mr T's upcoming Splattercell CD sound like he pooled some fine loops.. ...No - that's really quite enough Cheers David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 20:47:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08844; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:46:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:46:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p37-max15.syd.ihug.com.au [206.17.106.229] claimed to be alisonjo Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000928102816.007b59d0@pop.ihug.com.au> X-Sender: herbal@pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:28:16 +1000 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Alison Subject: Novation Bass Station Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <9VmLKC.A.dJC.JSp05@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I've been looking everywhere for a novation bass station manual, but can't find one. I really need it! Could someone help me? Sam. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 21:20:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09536; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:19:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:19:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.webslingerZ.com: sburnett owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:17:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Burnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Big Briar News - CP-251!! In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.11.2.20000810172519.01cfec60@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Mark Pulver wrote: > Steve Burnett (05:21 PM 08.10.2000) wrote: > > >On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Mark Pulver wrote: > > > >> The MF-104s are coming. Know that they sound *great*. It's simply the > >> smoothest delay line that I have ever heard. It's very warm and full of > >> character. > >> > >> Hang in there! > > > >Oh, I am - have my MF-104 order in already, and am eagerly looking > >forward to having it to play with. I'm not upset over the delayed delay, > >just eager. In the meantime since yesterday's post, I've been getting into > >the CP-251 more and more: it delivers as advertised. Cool. Very cool. I received my Moogerfooger MF-104 analog delay box from Big Briar this afternoon, and have spent about half an hour making noises through it. It is awesome. Don't have much else to say about it yet. Using it with a theremin, I'm getting some fantastic washes of sound. Can't wait to see what my Chapman Stick sounds like through it. May write more soon, but if delays are somethign you like, I'd recommend checking this out. Company site: http://www.bigbriar.com/ ridiculously long URL to the MF-104 in the newly redesigned site (use the main page above and go find it if the one below doesn't work): http://www.bigbriar.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.100.exe/spec/104.html?L+scstore+rpvb0608ff6c056c+974129522 Wow. best, Steve Burnett -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 27 21:28:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09849; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:27:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:27:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000927202030.00f27640@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:25:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Big Briar News - CP-251!! In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.11.2.20000810172519.01cfec60@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve Burnett (08:17 PM 09.27.2000) wrote: >I received my Moogerfooger MF-104 analog delay box from Big Briar this >afternoon, and have spent about half an hour making noises through it. It >is awesome. Don't have much else to say about it yet. Using it with a >theremin, I'm getting some fantastic washes of sound. Can't wait to see >what my Chapman Stick sounds like through it. May write more soon, but if >delays are somethign you like, I'd recommend checking this out. Glad to hear you like it Steve! If you have some bandwidth and would like to hear a bit of the box, I did some messing around and let a recorder run for a while. The page or sounds certainly won't win any awards, but... http://www.midiwall.com/synths/mf-104.html The files are huge... it ended up being a 6 minute slice. But I really think that keeping it all together helps to show that you can have a lot of fun with the box outside of "just" an echo device. Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 00:22:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12158; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:21:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:21:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000928001103.0068ccd0@total.net> X-Sender: chleduc@total.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:11:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Christian Leduc Subject: Re: Big Briar News - CP-251!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know very much about the Big Briar's Delay? What about the sound? If you use a stick, I assume you can use it with a guitar (1/4" jacks)? Best, Christian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 00:48:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12539; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:47:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:47:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.webslingerZ.com: sburnett owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:45:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Burnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Big Briar News - CP-251!! In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20000928001103.0068ccd0@total.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Christian Leduc wrote: > I don't know very much about the Big Briar's Delay? What about the sound? > If you use a stick, I assume you can use it with a guitar (1/4" jacks)? Go follow the link to http://www.bigbriar.com/ where there's nice info and diagrams for lots of details. For the sound, there's Mark's previous message about the big sound file he created with the delay pedal. And yes, it has 1/4" in and out jacks. regards, Steve Burnett -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 00:54:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12701; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:53:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:53:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <95.11c5f94.27042849@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:51:21 EDT Subject: Re: the use of Loop.pooL To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/27/00 7:23:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Texture444@aol.com writes: > > rw, > no, don't worry, really! > as matthias pointed-out: > *he* used that name on his newsletter, in '92! > s'all good; > i'm gonna change the name of my studio..... not that difficult, as it's not > a > *commercial* joint, anyway. > best, > dt awesome! i've finally found a name for my studio now that your not gonna use it anymore and all. lift the curse, brian electric bird noise From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 07:29:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15622; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:28:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:28:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <22.bc6721a.270484d8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:26:16 EDT Subject: Re: Novation Bass Station To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I've been looking everywhere for a novation bass station manual, but can't >find one. I really need it! Could someone help me? > Sam. whydontcha order one, from novation? d From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 07:41:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15758; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:41:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:41:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <8.ad1e79c.270487da@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:39:06 EDT Subject: Re: the use of Loop.pooL To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i've finally found a name for my studio now that your not gonna use >it anymore and all. >lift the curse, >brian you got it..... *-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 07:57:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15936; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:56:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:56:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:55:16 EDT Subject: Re: Big Briar News - CP-251!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mark, >Glad to hear you like it Steve! did you design/make this box? best, dt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 09:52:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17532; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:51:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:51:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000928084021.00b88588@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:44:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Big Briar News - CP-251!! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Texture444@aol.com (06:55 AM 09.28.2000) wrote: >mark, >>Glad to hear you like it Steve! > >did you design/make this box? I had a hand in it for feature selection during the prototyping stage and hooked up Bob with a parts supplier for the delay lines when his couldn't come up with quantity. If you get to play with the phaser (MF-103), or the CP-251, I had similar roles with those. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 11:19:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18550; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:17:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:17:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <29.ab673d7.2704ba7b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:15:07 EDT Subject: Re: Big Briar News - CP-251!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>did you design/make this box? >I had a hand in it for feature selection during the prototyping stage and >hooked up Bob with a parts supplier for the delay lines when his couldn't >come up with quantity. cool, cool. ( i have a BB ringmodulator). wouldya tell bob m. that i said 'hey', ifya speak w/him? he was my 'next door' neighbor in trumansburg ny, many years ago..... he came to hear my band ---zobofunnband--- a few times, & usedta stop by our farmhouse for coffee. thanks! best, david torn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 11:23:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18717; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:22:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:22:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000928101916.00fceb40@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:21:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Big Briar News - CP-251!! In-Reply-To: <29.ab673d7.2704ba7b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Texture444@aol.com (10:15 AM 09.28.2000) wrote: >>>did you design/make this box? > >>I had a hand in it for feature selection during the prototyping stage and >>hooked up Bob with a parts supplier for the delay lines when his couldn't >>come up with quantity. > >cool, cool. ( i have a BB ringmodulator). >wouldya tell bob m. that i said 'hey', ifya speak w/him? >he was my 'next door' neighbor in trumansburg ny, many years ago..... he came >to hear my band ---zobofunnband--- a few times, & usedta stop by our >farmhouse for coffee. >thanks! :) Bob's a totally cool guy, I talk to him a couple of times a week. It's fun to pick up the phone at work and find him on the other end with a new idea. :) ... wait until you see the new synth ... :) I'll tell him you said "hey!" David! Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 11:42:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19123; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:41:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:41:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <49.15ef4da.2704bfdd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:38:05 EDT Subject: OT:Re: Big Briar News - CP-251!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <5F60o.A.aqE.rY205@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >... wait until you see the new synth ... :) ha! >I'll tell him you said "hey!" David! thanks, dooooood! best, dt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 11:45:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19281; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:44:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:44:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F9132A6A@mail.davitt-hanser.com> From: Todd Quincy To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: ---zobofunnband--- Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:48:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ---zobofunnband--- > hey that's my band's name! tq openjam.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 12:07:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19748; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:06:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:06:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000928120157.00798100@panther.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:01:57 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: murkie Subject: Re: ---zobofunnband--- In-Reply-To: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F9132A6A@mail.davitt-hanser. com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:48 AM 9/28/00 -0400, you wrote: >> ---zobofunnband--- >> > hey that's my band's name! and the name of my studio! serriously, the zobo band rocked! DT: was there ever any official recording planned by youse guys? that woulda been somthing to hear! also: any recollection to what yer rig was like back in the day? when you shined... you dazzled. m "The funny thing about enlightenment is that it's like you're searching for something - say your hat - and you're tearing the house apart and suddenly you look in a mirror and you see it sitting on top of your head. Music is where I've experienced that." - Vernon Reid From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 12:39:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20289; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:37:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:37:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D373BA.4234F25D@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:37:15 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: sine@zerocrossing.net Organization: Zerocrossing Interactive X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ---zobofunnband--- References: <3.0.5.32.20000928120157.00798100@panther.middlebury.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-qLbZC.A.J8E.9O305@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As a long time resident of Ithaca NY, I regret never having experienced the zobofunnband, I'd love to hear a recording as well. has anyone on the list heard the band Jaws? They started out in Ithaca and moved out to SF (where they broke up) Amazing band. murkie wrote: > At 11:48 AM 9/28/00 -0400, you wrote: > >> ---zobofunnband--- > >> > > hey that's my band's name! > > and the name of my studio! > > serriously, the zobo band rocked! DT: was there ever any official > recording planned by youse guys? that woulda been somthing to hear! > > also: any recollection to what yer rig was like back in the day? > > when you shined... you dazzled. > > m > > "The funny thing about enlightenment is that it's like you're searching for > something - say your hat - and you're tearing the house apart and suddenly > you look in a mirror and you see it sitting on top of your head. Music is > where I've experienced that." - Vernon Reid From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 13:59:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21466; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:56:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:56:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:54:34 EDT Subject: OT: very: Re: ---zobofunnband--- To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com pretty off-topic, i'd say; there *is* a dt-chatgroup for this kinda shite, nah? (see sigfile, at bottom) 8-II but, briefly & inconclusively: >>> ---zobofunnband--- >> hey that's my band's name! aargh....... >and the name of my studio! bleep........ >serriously, the zobo band rocked! DT: was there ever any official >recording planned by youse guys? planned? yeah, there was an official 'indie'-release on vinyl; terrible, really. also, there're a coupla 'official' cassettes, and scads of live 'boots', available. where? i forget: online, somewhere, i'm sure. >also: any recollection to what yer rig was like back in the day? oh, yeah: lotsa different stuff! too OT, for this list, i think..... >when you shined... you dazzled. thanks, dude. best, dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL SPLaTTeRCeLL release dates: In stores & online NOW: ReMiKSiS:::AH (CD & vinyl; 65 minute EP--- includes REMIXES of SPLaTTeRCeLL ::: OAH by Charlie Clouser (NiN), Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan the Automator, Carter Burwell, SPLaTTeRCeLL feat. Tim Bowness (of NoMan), Yoshihiro Hanno, Fernando Aponte, & Gareth Williams..... PLUS one extra SPLaTTeRCeLL track) Oct. 3rd SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (!!!the full-length CD!!!) All On CeLLDiviSioN/75Ark: http://www.75ark.com SPLaTTeRCeLL: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf/Pages/soah Solid States: http://www.gaalore.com/davidtorn.nsf List site: http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn CeLLDiViSioNReCoRDS = uncontrolled substance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 14:08:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21651; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:05:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:05:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9e.a226d5c.27033c69@aol.com> References: <9e.a226d5c.27033c69@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:08:03 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: swimming in the "LOOP POOL" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Today it seems that the de facto owner of a brand is the one who >>registered brand.com, no? >or: >brand.cc, brand.net, brand.etc..... >8-) >d yes, its nice we have this exit. For example, Vollenweider.com is in the hands of someone that does not use it and wants to sell it. The only one interested probably is Andreas Vollenweider who does not have as much money as some years ago and built his beautifull site at Vollenweider.net. And everyone hates the owner of Vollenweider.com :-) ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 14:40:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22214; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:37:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:37:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D390A4.670C01B5@voicenet.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:40:36 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "analogue@hyperreal.org" , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Electro Harmonix Clap Track on Ebay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_-LVFD.A.-aF.G_405@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well I bit the BS bullet and posted my Clap Track on Ebay. The unit is New Old Stock and comes complete with the box, manual, original (untouched) warranty card, and a copy of EH's own 'zine "Guitar World" which has an interview with Adrian Belew and some notes of the 16 Sec and other delays. Best condition vintage pedal I have seen. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=452504161 No reserve for a collector's item but better yet a cool ass and unique analog box. There are pics and samples up there for anyone simply interested in seeing what this unit is all about. Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 15:21:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22748; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:18:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:18:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200009281917.MAA06830@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:18:03 -0700 Subject: Re: Big Briar News - CP-251!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not about loopin but talkin w/ dtorn what aint? i've heard nothin but great things over the yrs concerning ---zobofunnband--- so where da records,tapes etc-maybe someone knows,...thanx stanner ---------- >From: Texture444@aol.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Big Briar News - CP-251!! >Date: Thu, Sep 28, 2000, 8:15 AM > >>>did you design/make this box? >>I had a hand in it for feature selection during the prototyping stage and >>hooked up Bob with a parts supplier for the delay lines when his couldn't >>come up with quantity. >cool, cool. ( i have a BB ringmodulator). >wouldya tell bob m. that i said 'hey', ifya speak w/him? >he was my 'next door' neighbor in trumansburg ny, many years ago..... he came >to hear my band a few times, & usedta stop by our >farmhouse for coffee. >thanks! >best, >david torn > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 15:23:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22888; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:21:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:21:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D398F1.F73B572E@virtulink.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:16:01 -0400 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: "analogue@hyperreal.org" , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Electro Harmonix Clap Track on Ebay References: <39D390A4.670C01B5@voicenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Legion wrote: > > Well I bit the BS bullet and posted my Clap Track on Ebay. The unit is > New Old Stock and comes complete with the box, manual, original > (untouched) warranty card, and a copy of EH's own 'zine "Guitar World" It's a review from Harris Publications magazine Guitar World. db -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 15:45:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23361; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:44:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:44:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: RE: Novation Bass Station Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:41:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000928102816.007b59d0@pop.ihug.com.au> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I've been looking everywhere for a novation bass station > manual, but can't > find one. I really need it! Could someone help me? I have the bass station (keyboard...not rackmount) and have the manual in some form around here somewhere. Is there something particular you need? Ooops...nevermind. The http://www.novationusa.com/ web site was unreachable this morning...but it looks like it is reachable again. They have all of the manuals in pdf format (look under 'downloads'). Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 17:19:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25004; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:18:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:18:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000928171702.007c83e0@panther.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:17:02 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: murkie Subject: Re: OT: very: Re: ---zobofunnband--- In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <_O3CHC.A.FGG.XV705@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:54 PM 9/28/00 EDT, you wrote: >pretty off-topic, i'd say; there *is* a dt-chatgroup for this kinda shite, >nah? argh! i thought i WAS replying to a message on the Torn list. big time appollogies to everyone! i'll look closer next time. m "The funny thing about enlightenment is that it's like you're searching for something - say your hat - and you're tearing the house apart and suddenly you look in a mirror and you see it sitting on top of your head. Music is where I've experienced that." - Vernon Reid From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 17:27:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25162; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:25:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:25:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: OT: very: Re: ---zobofunnband--- Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:29:47 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000928171702.007c83e0@panther.middlebury.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "The funny thing about enlightenment is that it's like you're searching for something - say your hat - and you're tearing the house apart and suddenly you look in a mirror and you see it sitting on top of your head. Music is where I've experienced that." - Vernon Reid Can someone tell me what the big deal with Vernon Reid is? I've never found any of his work remotely interesting. I'm honestly curious, since he seems to pop up in so many places. bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. -----Original Message----- From: murkie [mailto:murkie@panther.middlebury.edu] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 2:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: very: Re: ---zobofunnband--- At 01:54 PM 9/28/00 EDT, you wrote: >pretty off-topic, i'd say; there *is* a dt-chatgroup for this kinda shite, >nah? argh! i thought i WAS replying to a message on the Torn list. big time appollogies to everyone! i'll look closer next time. m "The funny thing about enlightenment is that it's like you're searching for something - say your hat - and you're tearing the house apart and suddenly you look in a mirror and you see it sitting on top of your head. Music is where I've experienced that." - Vernon Reid From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 17:56:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25866; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:55:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:55:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <4f.1692918.270517c6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:53:10 EDT Subject: Re: OT: very: Re: ---zobofunnband--- To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Vernon has been involved in many cool projects...one of the more recent being GTR OBLQ with David Torn and Elliott Sharp on Knitting Factory. The music I enjoy most that Vernon has been involved with was a lot of the 'Ronald Shannon Jackson's Decoding Society' material - much of which has just been re-released on the Knitting Factorys Knit Classics label. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 18:20:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26322; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:15:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:15:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000928180826.007ba9b0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:08:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: ---zobofunnband--- In-Reply-To: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F9132A6A@mail.davitt-hanser. com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, that's the name of my pet galopagos tortoise. He's 214 years old, and both his father and his grandfather before him were named Zobofunnband too, so it goes back quite a while. None of them were quite sure how to spell "galopagos" either... Back on-topic (sort of), the newest compilation cd from the CT-Collective will be available for y'all in just a short couple of weeks. It's called "Bluezette" and features 20 new tunes in which members of this here looping community offer their varied loopy interpretations of "da bloooz"... (Keep an eye on for details!) Anyway, one of the tracks on Bluezette is from Howlin' Rick Walker (aka Loop.pooL), so in the "special thanks" section of the liner notes, our hat is tipped to mr. torn! Well, gotta go find a new name for my tortoise... Tim At 11:48 AM 9/28/00 -0400, you wrote: >> ---zobofunnband--- >> > hey that's my band's name! > > tq > openjam.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 18:55:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27234; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:44:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:44:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.a2d7c64.27052372@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:42:58 EDT Subject: NJ Gig Fri. To: STICKWIRE-L@home.ease.lsoft.com, taptalk@progrock.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA27210 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Adelante" will be doing their part at a benefit concert to help raise funds and food supplies for "The Roots of Love" project in Rawanda, Africa. This is a very worthy project focused on assisting children that have have lost both parents to AIDS. Featuring guest speakers, poets, and musical acts. "Adelante" is: J.Jody Janetta-Drums/Percussion Paul Mimlitsch- Chapman Stick SB8®, Loops/Textures Tony Mascara Jr.-Vibes/Percussion Location: Overcoming Victory Church 111 N. Laurel Street Bridegeton, NJ 08302 Time: Starts around 7:00pm, we're scheduled for the 8:30 to 9:30 slot. Friday Sept. 29th Admission:Donation and/or non-perishable food items For more info: contact Edwin Street (856)563-2711 aebnet@acninc.net http://home.acninc.net/~aebnet From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 19:13:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27870; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:12:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:12:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c029a1$81e33b00$0100a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers List" Subject: Roland VP9000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:12:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damn yall, this is one bas ass box- I saw it at AES and just watched the demo video- How about loading 6 different loops and adjusting the tempo but not the key- or the key but not the tempo- or how about using a midi keyboard to "play" a loop without altering the tempo? There is much more- just wanted to let you people know about what I think is a kick ass tool- http://209.144.99.11/vp9000/vp9000.htm Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 19:28:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28123; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:27:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:27:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Roland VP9000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:30:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002301c029a1$81e33b00$0100a8c0@we.mediaone.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've demo'd this unit and presented a report to my boss and my conclusion was that it was waste of good plastic, so your mileage can (and does) vary. bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. -----Original Message----- From: Om_Audio [mailto:clifsound@mediaone.net] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 4:12 PM To: Loopers List Subject: Roland VP9000 Damn yall, this is one bas ass box- I saw it at AES and just watched the demo video- How about loading 6 different loops and adjusting the tempo but not the key- or the key but not the tempo- or how about using a midi keyboard to "play" a loop without altering the tempo? There is much more- just wanted to let you people know about what I think is a kick ass tool- http://209.144.99.11/vp9000/vp9000.htm Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 19:43:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28433; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:42:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:42:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c029a5$b473bb40$0100a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: Roland VP9000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:42:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Obviously some elaboration on your part would be appreciated- C ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 4:30 PM Subject: RE: Roland VP9000 > I've demo'd this unit and presented a report to my boss and my conclusion > was that it was waste of good plastic, so your mileage can (and does) vary. > > > bIz > > > Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. > 1.800.555.Tell > biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say > 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Om_Audio [mailto:clifsound@mediaone.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 4:12 PM > To: Loopers List > Subject: Roland VP9000 > > Damn yall, this is one bas ass box- I saw it at AES and just watched the > demo video- > > How about loading 6 different loops and adjusting the tempo but not the key- > or the key but not the tempo- > or how about using a midi keyboard to "play" a loop without altering the > tempo? There is much more- just wanted to let you people know about what I > think is a kick ass tool- > > http://209.144.99.11/vp9000/vp9000.htm > > Cliff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 28 20:22:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29256; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:20:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:20:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Roland VP9000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:24:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000701c029a5$b473bb40$0100a8c0@we.mediaone.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Obviously some elaboration on your part would be appreciated- Sure thing: - The amount of time/pitch stretch is rather limited, you can't get anything all that extreme, and even moderate stretching will cause artifacts and problems. - Setting up files to be stretch is a rather lengthy button pushing affair, involving loading files and then allowing the system to 'process' them. It's not an 'instant' gratification thing, and you can't 'batch process' files. - The quality of the pitch/time stretch isn't very good - better than Sound Forge, smoother than Acid (it's better than Acid for voice and other complex natural instruments), about on par with Protools, but nowhere near as realistic as Prosoniq's Time Factory. - It only works with pre looped audio - despite what they say about 'riding the gain' for VOR work, I couldn't imagine using it for this, (that's probably of little interest to music makers, but for sound design, and experimental music, it's yet another reason to avoid it.) - It has those 'Roland tubbiness' D/A converters. (Don't get me wrong, that's not always bad, but in this case, it's reason enough to avoid it. - The UI stunk. The effects section was awful. Who puts an FX section in a $3000 beat stretching tool? Who want's another stomp box sounding chorus/delay/flanger? At 3 grand (!) it's pretty obvious that they want to keep all the units for themselves. I have no idea who would find this unit useful; there are >way< cheaper, and better sounding alternatives. The only nifty trick it could do was change a beat to triplets time. It's a flashy trick, but it's not something I need to do every day, or ever. Apart from that, there were absolutely no tools for modifying a sample, other than adding the afore mentioned cheapo effects. bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. -----Original Message----- From: Om_Audio [mailto:clifsound@mediaone.net] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 4:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland VP9000 C ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 4:30 PM Subject: RE: Roland VP9000 > I've demo'd this unit and presented a report to my boss and my conclusion > was that it was waste of good plastic, so your mileage can (and does) vary. > > > bIz > > > Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. > 1.800.555.Tell > biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say > 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Om_Audio [mailto:clifsound@mediaone.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 4:12 PM > To: Loopers List > Subject: Roland VP9000 > > Damn yall, this is one bas ass box- I saw it at AES and just watched the > demo video- > > How about loading 6 different loops and adjusting the tempo but not the key- > or the key but not the tempo- > or how about using a midi keyboard to "play" a loop without altering the > tempo? There is much more- just wanted to let you people know about what I > think is a kick ass tool- > > http://209.144.99.11/vp9000/vp9000.htm > > Cliff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 08:01:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA03278; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 07:59:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 07:59:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c02a0c$8fbee380$cda0d8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <7b.a2d7c64.27052372@aol.com> Subject: Echoplex Multiply Function and Building an Elegant Blues Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 04:58:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <41Twu.A.6y.SPI15@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've just discovered something interesting on the Echoplex that I want to share with the other EDP users on this list. This has to do with the multiply function. What I've discovered is that I can end the multiply function by hitting insert and then immediately return to the multiply function to generate a blues progression rather elegantly. However, some of the subsequent behavior is puzzling me, so I want to give this specific example. FYI, I have quantize on. The song I am constructing is a blues. I play a figure for the first phrase, the "I" chord, which is one bar in length. I allow it to play one additional time (now playing bar 2). I hit multiply, and the "song" begins. After the fourth cycle begins and bar 4 of the "song" is playing, I hit insert and when bar 5 begins, I am in insert mode and I play the "IV" chord for two bars. Around bar 6 or so I hit multiply again and when bar 7 arrives, I am treated to two bars of "I", as created by the original multiply. I allow this to continue through bar 8--I press insert during bar 8, and when bar 9 arrives, I play the "V" chord for two bars, pressing multiply during bar 10. When bar 10 arrives, it again delivers two bars of "I", and during bar 12 I hit either multiply or record. This completes the "song" in 12 bars. This is what I discovered. Now to the part I don't fully understand. Let's alter the chord progression. We start with the same figure for the first phrase, the "I" chord, which is one bar in length. I allow it to play one additional time (now playing bar 2). I hit multiply, and the "song" begins. After the second cycle begins and bar 2 of the "song" is playing, I hit insert and when bar 3 begins, I am in insert mode and I play the "IV" chord for two bars. Around bar 4 or so I hit multiply again and when bar 5 arrives, I am treated to two bars of "I", as created by the original multiply. During bar 6, I hit insert and play the "V" chord for two bars (bars 7 and 8). During bar 8 I hit multiply. When bar 9 arrives, I expect two bars of the "I" chord. Instead I am jarred by one bar of "I" and one bar of "IV". What gives? Or to put it more clearly--with which cycle does the multiply begin? BTW the second progression corresponds to the harmonic progression for "Boil That Cabbage Down" or it would if I could get that far :=( Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 11:48:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05559; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:46:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:46:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 08:45:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: Roland VP9000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5bsjjB.A.mWB.akL15@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 3 grand (!) it's pretty obvious that they want to keep all the units for >themselves. I have no idea who would find this unit useful; there are >way< >cheaper, and better sounding alternatives. > >bIz At the LA Namm show last year, the VP9000 was definitely being promoted to engineers and producers as a sonic surgical tool, IMO. They were demo'ing how useful it would be in the studio to 'fix' problems, like singers going flat at the end of a phrase. So they would demo how to bring the flat section back up into pitch. Also, they had demo's of how to do realistic background vocals and other fix-it tricks, in order to speed up studio time and cut costs. An engineer with that box, Protools and an Antares Autotune box could cover for a serious lack of talent in the studio! I was really excited about it at first, but choked on the pricetag, and tried to understand the UI at a local Guitar Center. Finally gave up... Maybe they'll flop and we can pick them up used for a couple hundred bucks in a few years. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 13:07:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06682; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:05:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:05:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jason Porter" To: Subject: Sentient Six Guitar Processor Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:01:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am thinking of buying a used piece of MIDI equipment. It is from 1989 and the only info I have is what it says on the casing. That it is a PASSAC Sentient Six Guitar Processor. I wont have the manuals and I am wondering if anyone can advise me on what it does and just how to use it. Thanks. JasonP@localmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 13:23:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07013; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:22:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:22:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D4CF99.D20BFB42@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:21:31 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: sine@zerocrossing.net Organization: Zerocrossing Interactive X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sentient Six Guitar Processor References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dude! Don't buy it. When the Passac Six Guitar processor started developing out of control, it finally became sentient. It developed too fast and was not ready to handle emotions. It turned on it's owners and had to be driven out of town by torch wielding peasants (I've had this happen to me and trust me it sucks). Beware! Mark Sottilaro Jason Porter wrote: > I am thinking of buying a used piece of MIDI equipment. It is from 1989 and > the only info I have is what it says on the casing. That it is a PASSAC > Sentient Six Guitar Processor. I wont have the manuals and I am wondering if > anyone can advise me on what it does and just how to use it. Thanks. > > JasonP@localmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 14:47:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08308; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 14:46:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 14:46:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:33:55 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: swimming in the "LOOP POOL" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <035901c02a43$d3c51d60$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <9e.a226d5c.27033c69@aol.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you also have to regester brandsucks.com among others... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 7:04 AM Subject: Re: swimming in the "LOOP POOL" > >Today it seems that the de facto owner of a brand is the one who > >registered brand.com, no? > or: > brand.cc, brand.net, brand.etc..... > 8-) > d > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 16:47:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09652; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 16:45:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 16:45:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D50017.DAD54AE7@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:48:25 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Sentient Six Guitar Processor References: <39D4CF99.D20BFB42@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro wrote: > ...When the Passac Six Guitar processor started developing > out of control, it finally became sentient. It developed too fast and was not > ready to handle emotions. It turned on it's owners and had to be driven out of > town by torch wielding peasants... lol! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 16:56:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09857; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 16:54:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 16:54:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jason Porter" To: , Subject: RE: Sentient Six Guitar Processor Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:51:57 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <39D50017.DAD54AE7@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok guys I am really without a clue(and not afraid to admit it). See I am just starting out doing the Midi thing. I have a computer and been working on some stuff with just a drum machine and non midi keyboard. Not ideal but I made do. I am trying to build up my system and one of the things that is available to me through a friend is this Passac thingamajigiebob. I wouldnt have to pay hardly anything I am just wondering what exactly is the best use for it? I dont know if it is actually a sequencer itself or what. I dont need a machine that handles any more emotions then I already put out through my analog self. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: lance glover [mailto:baumhaus@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 1:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sentient Six Guitar Processor Mark Sottilaro wrote: > ...When the Passac Six Guitar processor started developing > out of control, it finally became sentient. It developed too fast and was not > ready to handle emotions. It turned on it's owners and had to be driven out of > town by torch wielding peasants... lol! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 17:26:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10340; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:24:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:24:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39D4CF99.D20BFB42@zerocrossing.net> References: <39D4CF99.D20BFB42@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 16:56:07 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Sentient Six Guitar Processor Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:21 AM -0700 9/29/00, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Dude! Don't buy it. When the Passac Six Guitar processor started developing >out of control, it finally became sentient. It developed too fast and was not >ready to handle emotions. It turned on it's owners and had to be >driven out of >town by torch wielding peasants (I've had this happen to me and trust me it >sucks). Beware! > >Mark Sottilaro Sounds like a promising piece of gear. Does it work on synths and samplers too-:) > >Jason Porter wrote: > > > I am thinking of buying a used piece of MIDI equipment. It is from 1989 and > > the only info I have is what it says on the casing. That it is a PASSAC > > Sentient Six Guitar Processor. I wont have the manuals and I am >wondering if > > anyone can advise me on what it does and just how to use it. Thanks. > > > > JasonP@localmusic.com "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. 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Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 17:38:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10578; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:36:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:36:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000929213528.7643.qmail@web6301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 14:35:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: Akai MPC 2000 vs. EDP (echoplex) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3erlYB.A.FlC.esQ15@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would like an MPC 2000, but I would have to sell my EDP to get it. Are there things in the MPC that will allow cool looping like the EDP. For example: listening to a sample and recording at the same time. Then the ability to play them together (just as you sampled them)? Building on a sample through many layers. I hope this question is not to abstact. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 18:12:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11126; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:10:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:10:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 14:59:24 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Akai MPC 2000 vs. EDP (echoplex) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA11102 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While I'm not personally versed in the MPC 2000, I've gotta tell ya... we've all been dissecting the specifications of many samplers here for a few years now... and the answer is that MOST of them have precious little ability to do much of anything IN REAL TIME other than trigger pre-recorded loops... and possibly process them through their own dsp fx. This doesn't mean there's not one out there, but believe me when I say WE'VE ALL BEEN ASKING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS FOR A LONG TIME! The EDP (which I own) and possibly the forthcoming Electrix Repeater and the Boomerang all have traits unavailable on any other boxes... Admittedly, the Repeater is vaporware at this point so there's not much to choose from that's very deep. There's a slightly larger variety of dumbed-down (to use Kim Flint's phrase) boxes... the Line6 DL4... Lexicon JamMan... Akai Headrush... Zoom floor multi-fx... as well as a number of plain old delay lines which we're all using for real time stuff. WE ALL WANT AND NEED SAMPLERS WITH REAL TIME RECORD, OVERDUB, DSP PROCESSING, TIME WARPING / PITCH TRANSPOSE... If they then liscensed the Aurisis Loop s/w and implemented it into such a box and added memory registers, upgradeable dsp memory, upgradeable sampling memory, a glass interface... WE'D ALL FALL OVER IN DISBELIEF THAT SOMEONE ACTUALLY LISTENED! In a nutshell... Don't sell the EDP thinking you're going to do 1/50th of that stuff on a sampler. In fact... you're probably gonna have a hard time just recording and getting it to loop in real time without extra button hits. Something which should be in EVERY sampler. Samplers are cool, but they haven't come up with a good hybrid of both concepts yet. Don't hold your breath either. The Repeater ad copy seems to imply that you will be able to store loops, each containing 4 tracks, and then overdub, pitch transpose w/time stretching to keep in sync... If that works correctly I'd say that it will be on of the first of the hybridized hardware boxes available. Best regards, -Miko >>> prattwink2@yahoo.com 09/29/00 02:35PM >>> I would like an MPC 2000, but I would have to sell my EDP to get it. Are there things in the MPC that will allow cool looping like the EDP. For example: listening to a sample and recording at the same time. Then the ability to play them together (just as you sampled them)? Building on a sample through many layers. I hope this question is not to abstact. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 18:40:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11360; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:28:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:28:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <96.a41eb19.27067143@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:27:15 EDT Subject: Re: Akai MPC 2000 vs. EDP (echoplex) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/29/00 4:35:48 PM Central Daylight Time, prattwink2@yahoo.com writes: << Are there things in the MPC that will allow cool looping like the EDP. For example: listening to a sample and recording at the same time. Then the ability to play them together (just as you sampled them)? Building on a sample through many layers. I hope this question is not to abstact. >> Short answer is no. If you need a good sequencer and drum machine that also has SOME sampling functions, get the MPC. If you need a realtime looper, don't. In my opinion, even though I love and swear by the Akai MPC 2000, I think it is mis-marketed - it is not a sampler with a drum machine, it's a drum machine and sequencer first, sampler second. It doesn't have many of the controls or parameters that most dedicated samplers have (i.e. the filter controls are limited, there is no provisions for external controllers to be used with the samples, etc.) Check akai's website and download a manual for the MPC. www.akaipro.com good luck. - Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 19:50:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12192; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:48:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:48:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: jim@hemlock.violacea.com Message-ID: <39D52A03.E92BB393@jguru.com> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:47:15 -0600 From: Jim Coker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sentient Six Guitar Processor References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jason Porter wrote: > I am thinking of buying a used piece of MIDI equipment. It is from 1989 and > the only info I have is what it says on the casing. That it is a PASSAC > Sentient Six Guitar Processor. I wont have the manuals and I am wondering if > anyone can advise me on what it does and just how to use it. Thanks. > > JasonP@localmusic.com It is probably a effects processor of some sort. If you don't know what it is, and there is no manual, then I'd recommend staying away from it. If you want effects, check out line6.com or digitech.com or boss.com. For cheap used effects, get analog stomp boxes. Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 20:25:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12645; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 20:23:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 20:23:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000929201718.007b7330@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 20:17:18 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Sentient Six Guitar Processor In-Reply-To: <39D52A03.E92BB393@jguru.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Passac Sentient Six was a rackmount guitar MIDI controller/hex pickup system. From what I remember hearing about them (I didn't own one), they didn't track too well. I'm not sure if it can be used with a hex pickup other than the proprietry one or not; if the pickup doesn't come with it and you can't try it out to see if it even works, you'd probably be better off passing on it, unless it's REALLY cheap and you think you'll be able to find a pickup for it someday. Here's what it looked like: Tim At 05:47 PM 9/29/00 -0600, you wrote: >Jason Porter wrote: > >> I am thinking of buying a used piece of MIDI equipment. It is from 1989 and >> the only info I have is what it says on the casing. That it is a PASSAC >> Sentient Six Guitar Processor. I wont have the manuals and I am wondering if >> anyone can advise me on what it does and just how to use it. Thanks. >> >> JasonP@localmusic.com > >It is probably a effects processor of some sort. If you don't know what >it is, and there is no manual, then I'd recommend staying away from it. >If you want effects, check out line6.com or digitech.com or boss.com. >For cheap used effects, get analog stomp boxes. > >Jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 20:49:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13021; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 20:47:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 20:47:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jason Porter" To: Subject: RE: Sentient Six Guitar Processor Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:44:48 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000929201718.007b7330@pop.ici.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks very much for that info! I didnt realize that I would need a specific pickup in order for it to work. Thanks again. -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:tcn62@ici.net] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 5:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sentient Six Guitar Processor The Passac Sentient Six was a rackmount guitar MIDI controller/hex pickup system. From what I remember hearing about them (I didn't own one), they didn't track too well. I'm not sure if it can be used with a hex pickup other than the proprietry one or not; if the pickup doesn't come with it and you can't try it out to see if it even works, you'd probably be better off passing on it, unless it's REALLY cheap and you think you'll be able to find a pickup for it someday. Here's what it looked like: Tim At 05:47 PM 9/29/00 -0600, you wrote: >Jason Porter wrote: > >> I am thinking of buying a used piece of MIDI equipment. It is from 1989 and >> the only info I have is what it says on the casing. That it is a PASSAC >> Sentient Six Guitar Processor. I wont have the manuals and I am wondering if >> anyone can advise me on what it does and just how to use it. Thanks. >> >> JasonP@localmusic.com > >It is probably a effects processor of some sort. If you don't know what >it is, and there is no manual, then I'd recommend staying away from it. >If you want effects, check out line6.com or digitech.com or boss.com. >For cheap used effects, get analog stomp boxes. > >Jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 22:44:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14427; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 22:41:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 22:41:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: "Loopers" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Hey_guys_anyone_get_this=3F_FW:_Ten=E9_tu_HONDA_=28todos_l?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?os_modelos=29?= Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:45:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0085_01C02A4D.E0D815C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C02A4D.E0D815C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Answer me privately if you did and I’ll post the results to the list. bIz Tellme. 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------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C02A4D.E0D815C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 29 23:42:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15313; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:40:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:40:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:39:33 EDT Subject: Re:Akai MPC 2000 vs. EDP (echoplex) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have used the MPC 2000 extensively. No you cannot sample while listening to another sample or sequence. You can play samples forward and Backwards. Saples can be One Shot, Looped, Played all the way to the end with One press, or played until you release a pad. The same sample can be mapped to different pads with different tunings, envelope settings playback mode etc... There are NO real-time sample/Loop functions. I used to build tracks by making a loop, recording it to DAT and then make another loop while monitoring the DAT so on and so on. The MPC is the definative Hip Hop box, but it kind of stops there. I have recorded whole albums using just the sampler and sequencer (32 megs RAM). DON"T sell your EDP to get one BUT they are really cool together. I also used to sample Loops from my EDP and Jam Man into the MPC for storage and assembly on the sequencer. Being able to start and stop and stutter samples causes different musical 'happenings' than you get with an EDP alone (an oft-abused technique in Hip Hop). In a message dated 9/29/00 9:45:47 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: << I would like an MPC 2000, but I would have to sell my EDP to get it. Are there things in the MPC that will allow cool looping like the EDP. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 01:45:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16798; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 01:44:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 01:44:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000930054259.27780.qmail@web6303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 22:42:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: EDP serial numbers since last problems? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has there ever been a "serial number since last problems" research? I would like to know if I have a potential lemon. (I got my GIBSON EDP in March-April 2000) One problem I had was, while creating and playing playing a loop for about 30 min. it reset itself (well, it was on but no function). The display showed a "0". I turned it on and off to no avail. I came back five minutes later and everything works again. I assume it just over heated since it was rather warm in my Florida studio. Any Ideas? That is really my only problem so far, I love the machine but I am keeping my eye out for recalls since I did pay over 700 bucks for it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 02:37:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17356; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 02:36:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 02:36:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c02aa8$23f75d20$03011eac@mlameyer02> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: Akai MPC 2000 vs. EDP (echoplex) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 02:32:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This doesn't mean there's not one out there, but believe me when I say WE'VE ALL BEEN ASKING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS FOR A LONG TIME! lol *cry* lol *cry* lol From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 04:08:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18114; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 04:07:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 04:07:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000930080649.6954.qmail@web6303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 01:06:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Pratt Winkle Subject: EDP more loops on the fly? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lets say you made a loop and did not think about making other loops before hand, but the loop you have now is so cool you must have a copy of it to riff on and one for playback. How do you make a copy on the fly with out destroying the original? When I do "loop copy", nothing happens. When I make another loop in the "more loops" parameter it starts over with silence. Note:once your mind thinks it knows how this thing works, it's hard to bend your thoughs in to seeing it any other way. I can't seem to get the flow of the lay out. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 04:21:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18264; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 04:21:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 04:21:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D620C4.610C59A8@vtx.ch> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 10:20:04 -0700 From: Claude Voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP more loops on the fly? References: <20000930080649.6954.qmail@web6303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pratt Winkle wrote: > > Lets say you made a loop and did not think about > making other loops before hand, but the loop you have > now is so cool you must have a copy of it to riff on > and one for playback. How do you make a copy on the > fly with out destroying the original? When I do "loop > copy", nothing happens. When I make another loop in > the "more loops" parameter it starts over with > silence. > Note:once your mind thinks it knows how this thing > works, it's hard to bend your thoughs in to seeing it > any other way. I can't seem to get the flow of the lay out. > you have to set the more loop before recording (divide the memory to the nb of loops you want) then do not forget the loop copy parameter for defining if you want it to copy the sound, the time or no copy (new loop) when youre happy with you original loop press nextloop and play untill tomorrow Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 05:38:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA19072; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 05:37:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 05:37:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 02:31:28 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Hey guys anyone get this? FW: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ten=E9?= tu HONDA (todos l os modelos) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id FAA19046 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:45 PM -0700 9/29/00, Jonathan El-Bizri wrote 17KB of this amazing html code in order to say one sentence: > > >xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" >xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" >xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> > > > > > > > > > >Mail Honda 2000 > > > > > > > >
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> [snipping out the remaining 12KB of it] I didn't receive it. (and if anybody is going to get spam related to LD, it is me...) ...but I do keep getting these whiny emails from people complaining about spam! I suspect they are somehow coming the Looper's Delight list!! Can this be possible??!? This is so unkewl! Is anybody else getting these?? Send me private mail and I will post the results to the list! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 09:56:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20513; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 09:55:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 09:55:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.240.200.136] From: "space module" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hey guys anyone get this? FW: Tené tu HONDA (todos los modelos) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 08:53:08 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2000 13:53:08.0516 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3AD3640:01C02AE5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well I got it now. How do you make loops with this thing? I guess by driving in a circle or figure 8 endlessly... Seriously, do we have to hear about every single piece of Spanish Spam? The unsubscribe notices are bad enough. The conversation has really degraded in the past month. Maybe someone could start an unsubscribe list or a spanish spam list. sm >From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "Loopers" >Subject: Hey guys anyone get this? FW: Tené tu HONDA (todos los modelos) >Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:45:53 -0700 > >Answer me privately if you did and I’ll post the results to the list. > > > >bIz > > >Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. >1.800.555.Tell >biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say >'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Honda Porta [mailto:correo@hondaporta.com.ar] >Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 6:42 PM >To: jonathan@full-moon.com >Subject: Tené tu HONDA (todos los modelos) > >www.hondaporta.com.ar >Todos los modelos >HONDA 2000 > >Motos, cuatriciclos,scooters, > productos de fuerza > >www.hondaporta.com.ar >Aquí >Más información haga click aquí >o comuníquese a: info@hondaporta.com.ar >remove@hondaporta.com.ar > > Como consecuencia de algunos reclamos queremos dejar establecido que el >envío de ésta información se realiza únicamente por suscripción. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 11:12:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21920; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:11:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:11:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c02af0$922fd5e0$46bcd8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <7b.a2d7c64.27052372@aol.com> <001001c02a0c$8fbee380$cda0d8cc@gary> Subject: Got Those Echoplex Multiply Blues Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 08:10:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <7dhVZC.A.XWF.ZJg15@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loneliness is replying to your own online postings > I've just discovered something interesting on the Echoplex that I want to > share with the other EDP users on this list. This has to do with the > multiply function. What I've discovered is that I can end the multiply > function by hitting insert and then immediately return to the multiply > function to generate a blues progression rather elegantly. However, some of > the subsequent behavior is puzzling me, so I want to give this specific > example. FYI, I have quantize on. > The song I am constructing is a blues. I play a figure for the first > phrase, the "I" chord, which is one bar in length. I allow it to play one > additional time (now playing bar 2). I hit multiply, and the "song" begins. > After the fourth cycle begins and bar 4 of the "song" is playing, I hit > insert and when bar 5 begins, I am in insert mode and I play the "IV" chord > for two bars. Around bar 6 or so I hit multiply again and when bar 7 > arrives, I am treated to two bars of "I", as created by the original > multiply. I allow this to continue through bar 8--I press insert during bar > 8, and when bar 9 arrives, I play the "V" chord for two bars, pressing > multiply during bar 10. When bar 10 arrives, it again delivers two bars of > "I", and during bar 12 I hit either multiply or record. This completes the > "song" in 12 bars. This is what I discovered. > Now to the part I don't fully understand. Let's alter the chord > progression. We start with the same figure for the first phrase, the "I" > chord, which is one bar in length. I allow it to play one additional time > (now playing bar 2). I hit multiply, and the "song" begins. After the > second cycle begins and bar 2 of the "song" is playing, I hit insert and > when bar 3 begins, I am in insert mode and I play the "IV" chord for two > bars. Around bar 4 or so I hit multiply again and when bar 5 arrives, I am > treated to two bars of "I", as created by the original multiply. During bar > 6, I hit insert and play the "V" chord for two bars (bars 7 and 8). During > bar 8 I hit multiply. When bar 9 arrives, I expect two bars of the "I" > chord. Instead I am jarred by one bar of "I" and one bar of "IV". What > gives? Or to put it more clearly--with which cycle does the multiply begin? Well Gary, the answer is, cycle two--at least in bars 11 and 12 of the first example. Gee I wonder why? G PS--Viva El Puerco Espanol! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 11:34:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22602; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:33:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:33:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D5FA5F.A7FEF7E7@sigecom.net> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 10:36:16 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: I need a better sounding sampler than a Boomerang! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I started to incorporate sampling into my solo acoustic act. Got a Boomerang that I'm getting ready to sell due to the poor quality of the loop. Are these other devices(Jamman, Echoplex) that much better? Can you hear the difference in quality with these other devices? Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 12:23:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23128; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 12:22:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 12:22:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000930121527.007ba3f0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 12:15:27 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: I need a better sounding sampler than a Boomerang! In-Reply-To: <39D5FA5F.A7FEF7E7@sigecom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <27JBI.A.EpF.CMh15@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:36 AM 9/30/00 -0400, you wrote: >Are these other devices(Jamman, Echoplex) that much better (than the Boomerang)? >Can you hear the difference in quality with these other devices? It all depends on what you want to do with it. Check the specs in the Tools of the Trade section of the LD site, and you can compare the respective sampling rates. You'll find that the Boomerang is one of the lowest in terms of sampling rate (hence your complaints with the sound quality), yet is quite flexible and has a nice long loop time. (The upgraded version is even more flexible.) On the other end of the spectrum, the Akai Headrush has an excellent sampling rate and sounds great, but is severely limited in loop time and functionality. Yes, you CAN hear a difference in sound quality between many of these units, but again, depending on what you want to do with your looper(s) the other features may be the deciding factor. They've all got pros and cons; the EDP arguably blows away most of the competition in terms of depth and features, but it can be hard to get one; reports of service and reliability issues are probably grossly inflated, but they're there nonetheless. Lexicon bailed on the Jamman long ago, so you'll be hunting for an overpriced used one. The Line6 DL4 is loved or hated, depending on who you ask. Check out the Tools of the Trade section, and compare the user reviews and overall features (sampling rate, overdub capability, loop time, upgradeability, user interface differences, rackmount v.s. floor, MIDI features or the lack thereof, cost/value, et cetera) and you'll get a better feel for which one is most appropriate for your needs. Also, the list archive is LOADED with user reactions; search around the time each new box or upgrade came out and you'll find tons of answers to your questions. Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 17:17:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25985; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 17:16:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 17:16:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39D64AC2.E9763213@sigecom.net> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:19:15 -0400 From: Scott Winzinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I need a better sounding sampler than a Boomerang! References: <3.0.5.32.20000930121527.007ba3f0@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Tim for the excellent advise. Take care, Scott Tim Nelson wrote: > At 10:36 AM 9/30/00 -0400, you wrote: > >Are these other devices(Jamman, Echoplex) that much better (than the > Boomerang)? > >Can you hear the difference in quality with these other devices? > > It all depends on what you want to do with it. Check the specs in the Tools > of the Trade section of the LD site, and you can compare the respective > sampling rates. You'll find that the Boomerang is one of the lowest in > terms of sampling rate (hence your complaints with the sound quality), yet > is quite flexible and has a nice long loop time. (The upgraded version is > even more flexible.) On the other end of the spectrum, the Akai Headrush > has an excellent sampling rate and sounds great, but is severely limited in > loop time and functionality. Yes, you CAN hear a difference in sound > quality between many of these units, but again, depending on what you want > to do with your looper(s) the other features may be the deciding factor. > They've all got pros and cons; the EDP arguably blows away most of the > competition in terms of depth and features, but it can be hard to get one; > reports of service and reliability issues are probably grossly inflated, > but they're there nonetheless. Lexicon bailed on the Jamman long ago, so > you'll be hunting for an overpriced used one. The Line6 DL4 is loved or > hated, depending on who you ask. Check out the Tools of the Trade section, > and compare the user reviews and overall features (sampling rate, overdub > capability, loop time, upgradeability, user interface differences, > rackmount v.s. floor, MIDI features or the lack thereof, cost/value, et > cetera) and you'll get a better feel for which one is most appropriate for > your needs. Also, the list archive is LOADED with user reactions; search > around the time each new box or upgrade came out and you'll find tons of > answers to your questions. > > Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 30 18:42:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27004; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 18:41:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 18:41:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 18:40:35 EDT Subject: I dont need a better sounding sampler than a Boomerang! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: <0t1JL.A.ulG.Lwm15@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 9/30/00 2:21:36 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, someone writes: << Can you hear the difference in quality with these other devices? >> you can hear the difference between the old and up-graded rang in sound quality.........but i have other questions about the up-grade that i will ask late................michael