From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Aug 1 04:53:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21891; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 04:52:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 04:52:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000801085039.48897.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.171.219.48] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Eventide DSP4500 vs. Kyma Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:50:39 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <34XEv.A.fVF.59oh5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hello, >Would you mind telling us more about your Orville please? >In Australia only top level studio's can justify Eventide as its too >expensive and has lower perceived second hand value compared to Lexicon and >TC Electronic. >Before people talk about the reverb comparisons between Lex and Eventide >Lexicon PCM's have always been popular but around $6000 + pc cards too >expensive, TC Electronic is deemed to be offering more innovative products >than Lexicon in the last couple of years. >Steven HI Steven! Well I never consider those issues regarding second hand price, just go for the real quality of the box and its creative power. We all know that Laxicon, TC & Eventide are the top guys in the business.I know most of their units, all the PCMs, LXPs and MPXs, 300 and 480, TC2290,M2000, M5000, M3000, G-Force, Fireworx, H3000s, DSP4000s etc. Regarding prices: Orville is the top Eventide unit and its list price in US is 5700$. Lexicon new 960L goes up to 15000$ and TC top System 6000 starts from 8700$...so as you see who is expensive??? There is a lot of misknowledge and confusion about this issue out there; one of the problems is that Eventide Audio is a small branch of a larger company, working in airplane navigation systems on computers, so they don't put all their resources into the audio part or into its ads and promotion. Nevertheless Eventide builds the most powerful and creative science toy available on earth, ORVILLE!!! This box can do things that other companies top products cannot EVEN DREAM of doing...Into Orville you get 2 powerful dsps, each one is like 4 Lexicon PCM80/81s or 4 Event. DSP4000s, just to give you an idea. Inside Orville you can allocate dsps power and audio memory building algorithms as you like, repeating structures, setting up 12, 8 or 6 VERY HIGH QUALITY stereo verbs that stand very well against Lexicon's. Plus you can build synths; you have the best pitch shifters around, including the new Ultrashifter that can recalculate the formants of any sound, avoiding that nasty Donald Duck or Giant voice artefacts common il ALL the others shifters on the market...you should hear it! Moreover you have a 3 minutes sampler with real time editing, time compression/expansion, shifting, looping and other features that you would find only on top brand models of EMU or AKAY. You can download the full manual at www.eventide.com together with thei cool freeware Vsig that allows anybody to program the unit on a PC, starting from a cheap & miserable 486!!! Now they have EVE/NET a remote controller for Orville and DSP7000, working with up to 4 units in a network! Who else goes so far??? What is really light years ahead is the simplicity of the concept behind Orville: it's a high quality software & hardware audio computer in which you can build anything you might ever need, so that you don't have to buy an XXX for verb, a YYY for pitch shifting, a ZZZ for quality delays, a KKK for dynamics and so on...this way it's much cheaper and worx better...no cables, no mixers. 8inputs/8outputs, half analog, half digital...every internal dsp has 4 ins/4outs...you can patch them any way you like, beyond all the ordinary mono, stereo, split, serial or parallel configurations...even internal loop structure is allowed...making up for absolutely new algos...fx are stellar, EQs are amazing...you can build 32 bands stereo graphic eqs or parametric eqs, great compressors, new things like harmonix extractors!!! 4.20 minutes of delay memory to loop your neck off... midiclock, taptempo, reverse delays and shifters w/32 sec. delay, totally customizable graphical analog interface with sliders, Vu-meters, pots, monitors and texts, triggers and even a relay to switch electric contacts on/off...like a mixer gooseneck lamp...nifty!? This unit allows the user to build anything, things like vocal synths or gtr synths are only HERE...post production fx, noises, ambients are only here, thanxs to oscillators and white noise generators...low-fi and audio mangling can be as BAD as you like...a real bastard!!! Hi-FI...well no use to talk about this..it's Eventide. Don't worry about second hand prices...you'll never sell a box like this...it will grow on you and be kept updated from many years to caome by the factory; they still make H3000 from the 80s!!! Who else does it? My PCM80 lasted for about 2 years...Jamman?...Vortex?...Orville is Quadraphonic...have you ever heard a real Quad verb? An audio source panning in a Quad mixer? Missing some joys of life...get the manuals...read them...save your pennies and the market will NOT bother you for a long long long time ahead...cheaper and better than the others...you'll agree. www.eventide.com/oupdate is a site to download the latest software for Orville and fot users' presets exchange...again...who else does this??? NOHOPE...frankly...ciao ITALO ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Aug 1 05:10:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA22286; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 05:09:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 05:09:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1Jr1 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:08:38 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Moog Endless will stop in Aug. Resent-Message-ID: <47NTwB.A.vbF.WOph5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, Our Real Video streaming project "Moog Endless" will stop in this Aug. System 55 will going to repair. http://www.cavestudio.com/S+V/moog_endless.html We will tell the info again when System 55 is back. Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Aug 1 09:05:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26458; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:03:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:03:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Ppaulpadam@aol.com Message-ID: <3b.7faea9c.26b82458@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:02:16 EDT Subject: mp3 files To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello I found a neat BOOMERANGbecause of this list. Have yet to jump in but looking foreward. I hope it's OK to invite you to my mp3 files?? I have 5 albums and friend David Hoffman ( Trumpet/arranger soloist Ray Charles ) has 2 on my little label. MP3.com has a cool thing you all should check out. Place your music and get paid even for having visitors. Anyway you may go to http://www.mp3.com/PaulAdams and listen or download my tunes for free Dave's is http://www.mp3.com/DavidHoffman Many Thanks!! Paul Adams & Dave Hoffman Lakefront Records From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Aug 1 10:58:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27934; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:57:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:57:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:54:09 -0400 Subject: steve reich "drumming" sheet music... Message-ID: <20000801.105410.-278301.0.oxylus@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,6,13-16 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Scott E Lau Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com to whom it may concern... i am attempting to find a copy of the sheet music for Steve Reich's "drumming". i am doing an art/architectural project which creates a therapy session for a LeCorbusian scholar. since Corbu believed in many of Adolf Loos' ideas, one being that the higher form of art was found in the music of the likes of Beethoven and not the primitivism of drumming, i thought it would be interesting to use Steve Reich's "drumming" piece as an organizational tool because it combines the primitivism of drumming with the higher notions of mathematics with his implimentation of phasing (Corbu believed deeply in mathematics, especially as a primary sensation). thank you in advanced to anyone who can help me... scott ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Aug 1 13:44:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30114; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:42:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:42:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:41:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew McGraw To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: North East players Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <2kuFcC.A.1VH.fvwh5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just joined the list, Looking around for serious, competent loopers, djs, musicians etc for collaboration on current projects. I'm in the Boston area, but get to NYC fairly frequently. Check out the mp3s at: http://209.101.136.76 If it fits, email: djmumble@yahoo.com Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Aug 1 13:58:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30394; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:56:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:56:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Eventide DSP4500 vs. Kyma Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:58:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-Reply-To: <20000801085039.48897.qmail@hotmail.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So does that mean you recommend it? :> bIz -----Original Message----- From: italo de angelis [mailto:italoop@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 3:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Eventide DSP4500 vs. Kyma >Hello, >Would you mind telling us more about your Orville please? >In Australia only top level studio's can justify Eventide as its too >expensive and has lower perceived second hand value compared to Lexicon and >TC Electronic. >Before people talk about the reverb comparisons between Lex and Eventide >Lexicon PCM's have always been popular but around $6000 + pc cards too >expensive, TC Electronic is deemed to be offering more innovative products >than Lexicon in the last couple of years. >Steven HI Steven! Well I never consider those issues regarding second hand price, just go for the real quality of the box and its creative power. We all know that Laxicon, TC & Eventide are the top guys in the business.I know most of their units, all the PCMs, LXPs and MPXs, 300 and 480, TC2290,M2000, M5000, M3000, G-Force, Fireworx, H3000s, DSP4000s etc. Regarding prices: Orville is the top Eventide unit and its list price in US is 5700$. Lexicon new 960L goes up to 15000$ and TC top System 6000 starts from 8700$...so as you see who is expensive??? There is a lot of misknowledge and confusion about this issue out there; one of the problems is that Eventide Audio is a small branch of a larger company, working in airplane navigation systems on computers, so they don't put all their resources into the audio part or into its ads and promotion. Nevertheless Eventide builds the most powerful and creative science toy available on earth, ORVILLE!!! This box can do things that other companies top products cannot EVEN DREAM of doing...Into Orville you get 2 powerful dsps, each one is like 4 Lexicon PCM80/81s or 4 Event. DSP4000s, just to give you an idea. Inside Orville you can allocate dsps power and audio memory building algorithms as you like, repeating structures, setting up 12, 8 or 6 VERY HIGH QUALITY stereo verbs that stand very well against Lexicon's. Plus you can build synths; you have the best pitch shifters around, including the new Ultrashifter that can recalculate the formants of any sound, avoiding that nasty Donald Duck or Giant voice artefacts common il ALL the others shifters on the market...you should hear it! Moreover you have a 3 minutes sampler with real time editing, time compression/expansion, shifting, looping and other features that you would find only on top brand models of EMU or AKAY. You can download the full manual at www.eventide.com together with thei cool freeware Vsig that allows anybody to program the unit on a PC, starting from a cheap & miserable 486!!! Now they have EVE/NET a remote controller for Orville and DSP7000, working with up to 4 units in a network! Who else goes so far??? What is really light years ahead is the simplicity of the concept behind Orville: it's a high quality software & hardware audio computer in which you can build anything you might ever need, so that you don't have to buy an XXX for verb, a YYY for pitch shifting, a ZZZ for quality delays, a KKK for dynamics and so on...this way it's much cheaper and worx better...no cables, no mixers. 8inputs/8outputs, half analog, half digital...every internal dsp has 4 ins/4outs...you can patch them any way you like, beyond all the ordinary mono, stereo, split, serial or parallel configurations...even internal loop structure is allowed...making up for absolutely new algos...fx are stellar, EQs are amazing...you can build 32 bands stereo graphic eqs or parametric eqs, great compressors, new things like harmonix extractors!!! 4.20 minutes of delay memory to loop your neck off... midiclock, taptempo, reverse delays and shifters w/32 sec. delay, totally customizable graphical analog interface with sliders, Vu-meters, pots, monitors and texts, triggers and even a relay to switch electric contacts on/off...like a mixer gooseneck lamp...nifty!? This unit allows the user to build anything, things like vocal synths or gtr synths are only HERE...post production fx, noises, ambients are only here, thanxs to oscillators and white noise generators...low-fi and audio mangling can be as BAD as you like...a real bastard!!! Hi-FI...well no use to talk about this..it's Eventide. Don't worry about second hand prices...you'll never sell a box like this...it will grow on you and be kept updated from many years to caome by the factory; they still make H3000 from the 80s!!! Who else does it? My PCM80 lasted for about 2 years...Jamman?...Vortex?...Orville is Quadraphonic...have you ever heard a real Quad verb? An audio source panning in a Quad mixer? Missing some joys of life...get the manuals...read them...save your pennies and the market will NOT bother you for a long long long time ahead...cheaper and better than the others...you'll agree. www.eventide.com/oupdate is a site to download the latest software for Orville and fot users' presets exchange...again...who else does this??? NOHOPE...frankly...ciao ITALO ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Aug 1 14:53:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31218; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:51:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:51:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200008011849.OAA02101@smtp.interlog.com> Subject: Re: steve reich "drumming" sheet music... Date: Tue, 1 Aug 00 14:50:52 -0000 x-sender: nostyle@mail.interlog.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "nostyle@interlog.com" To: "Loopers' Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com scott - I've had no trouble ordering Reich's scores from local sheet music retailers. I'm sure that you could mail order them too - check the net. His publisher is Universal Editions. regards, ben From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Aug 1 16:46:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00420; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:43:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:43:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <7AA5377A8B80634CBCC118E4FFABDB5911F365@coco.cinteractive.com> From: "Catherine D'Ignazio" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Videodelic Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:41:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com YAY! Thanks so much for pointing me in their direction... -----Original Message----- From: switters@earthlink.net [mailto:switters@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 2:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Videodelic Catie or anyone else interested in the visual component of performance might be interested in this: http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2000/Videodelic-Released.html apparently some sort of realtime visual performance medium with audio/MIDI sync. enjoy, sean From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Aug 1 17:06:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00778; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:04:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:04:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018c01bffbfc$b566b240$ee300018@potlnd1.or.home.com> From: "Neil Goldstein" To: References: <7AA5377A8B80634CBCC118E4FFABDB5911F365@coco.cinteractive.com> Subject: Re: Videodelic Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:08:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anybody with a Mac, I highly recommended you download the Videodelic player and the example works. For the accompanying soundtracks, you have to uncompress the MP3s, and they're large files, but worth it. They don't have a demo up quite yet, but this gives you a good idea what it can do. Major piece of code to say the least (as Metasynth is too!). This will get you right there: http://www.uisoftware.com/videodelic/index.html Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine D'Ignazio" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 1:41 PM Subject: RE: Videodelic > YAY! Thanks so much for pointing me in their direction... > > -----Original Message----- > From: switters@earthlink.net [mailto:switters@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 2:23 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Videodelic > > > Catie or anyone else interested in the visual component of performance might > be interested in this: > > http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2000/Videodelic-Released.html > > apparently some sort of realtime visual performance medium with audio/MIDI > sync. > > enjoy, sean > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Aug 1 17:20:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01156; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:19:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:19:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:18:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: "looper's delight" Subject: nyc psych gig Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com not a loop-thing per se, but very "loopy" to be sure. tues august 8 knitting factory - main space tono-bungay 8 pm dalek 9 pm william hooker 10pm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Aug 1 17:28:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01391; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:25:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:25:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <398706EF.97034A4C@cstone.net> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:20:48 +0000 From: lotusart@cstone.net (John Hunter) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mark@redmoon-music.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Pulver Pager burns up! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7G9Ks.A.yU.z_zh5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Subject: > Re: FS: Mint Boomerang! > > John Hunter wrote: > > >..................(Ask Mark Pulver-- No don't, he's waaaaaay too busy :-)) > > I gotta get me a big red light that goes off or make my pager fire when > folks drop my name into email on all these lists I'm on. :) Good way to give yourself a serious 3rd-degree burn, dude! ;-). What list AREN'T you on anyway ?! Thanks for the props Mark. Ever need a favor, let me know. John Black Lotus Sound From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Aug 1 18:36:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02856; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:33:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:33:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007901bffc08$d5055e60$4cc1d6d1@oemcomputer> From: "X-ray" To: "italo de angelis" , Subject: Re: Eventide DSP4500 vs. Kyma Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:35:38 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd love to hear more about your looping experiences with the Orville. Can it realisticly be used as a real-time/live performance looping device?? MikeH >Hi K. I'm actually working with an Eventide Orville, after 4 years with a >DSP4000...well this new box is just amazing; the 7000 is half Orville >without the 3 minutes sampling/Looping memory. >My Orville has 87 sec + 173sec of delay/looping/sampling memory. >The box is like 8 DSP4500 plus the sampler board or 2 DSP7000. >I can do anything I can Imagine with it, including mastering cds...like >having 2 TC Finalizers Plus or a Monster supercharged one...This is the >best...I wrote hundreds and hundreds of programs with the eventide boxes, >many of them are very well known by Scott Gilfix, brain/stickist at >Eventide...let's trade some programs if you like... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Aug 1 19:16:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03643; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:15:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:15:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 16:13:28 -0700 Subject: WTB: Gibson/Oberheim Echoplex From: Larry Stites To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have the check book in hand ready to buy your Gibson/Oberheim Digital Echoplex. If you can also sell the controller footpedal that would be great. The more memory the better... Of course it needs to be in working condition. If it's in like new condition with original boxes and manual we'll increase the price. Make me an offer. Larry Stites 1 530 478 7960 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Aug 1 20:27:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04951; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 20:25:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 20:25:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000802002356.79121.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.172] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: New Godin instrument (sort of OT) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:23:56 MST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Kids, Sorry for the Off Topic post, but since this seems to be a list full of multi-instrumentalists seeking to stretch boundaries, it seemed as good a place as any to bring this up... Has anyone here heard of the new instrument that Godin announced at NAMM? They are calling it the Glissentar and it seems pretty groovy if you are into non-western or microtonal music. The only info I have seen is from this NAMM report on Harmony Central: http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM00/Content/Godin/PR/Glissentar.html I couldn't find any additional info on Godin's site and was wondering if anyone here knew anything else about it, or was at the summer NAMM and played one, what were your impressions? Just curious. -Skully ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Aug 1 22:45:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06885; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 22:43:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 22:43:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39878BA7.9391F829@home.com> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 21:47:03 -0500 From: Jon Southwood Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: steve reich "drumming" sheet music... References: <20000801.105410.-278301.0.oxylus@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Scott, Can't help you with the Drumming score, but if you're interested in a musical connection with Le Corbusier, check out Iannis Xenakis. Xenakis actually worked with Le Corbusier for a number of years. His composition Metastasis is organized by the ratios of Le Corbusier's Modulus. Xenakis also has a couple (more recent) percussion pieces: Pleiades (not sure of the spelling) and Rebonds. Both are incredible, and given his predilection for mathematics, engineering, and architecture is bound to have some sort of mathematical thread. If anyone hasn't heard any Xenakis, but has heard of "stochastic music" (his term) or "granular synthesis" (originates from a section of his book, Formalised Music), run out and listen to some of his pieces. My (beginning) recommendations: Metastasis, Pithoprakta, Tetora, Pleiades, and Rebonds. His early electronic music, which featured slowly progressing transformation of source material might appeal to people on this list as well. Check out: Bohor and Concret PH. Good luck, Jon Southwood gamma-ut@home.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 01:33:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09239; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 01:31:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 01:31:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3987A4FA.C01999E@ripco.com> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 00:35:12 -0400 From: Eric Leonardson Reply-To: eleon@ripco.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Moog Endless will stop in Aug. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Inami, I'm trying to download your Moog Endless in order to listen to it. It takes an awfully long time. It made my computer slow down to a crawl. After these last ten minutes of downloading, I canceled the connection. Maybe you should fix this somehow. Or is this meant to be an endless download? I was inspired to hear Moog Endless/System 55 because you have the "save xebec" gif in your web page, and I have worked with wonderful people who have written articles for this magazine, namely Yuko Nexus6 and Tod Szewczyk. Can you fix this? Best regards, Eric Sunao Inami wrote: > Hi, > > Our Real Video streaming project "Moog Endless" will stop in this Aug. > System 55 will going to repair. > http://www.cavestudio.com/S+V/moog_endless.html > > We will tell the info again when System 55 is back. > > Regards > > Sunao Inami > http://www.cavestudio.com -- sound thinking: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/ what's new: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 01:45:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09658; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 01:43:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 01:43:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3987B57F.180A480A@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 22:45:47 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: xenakis (was "drumming") References: <20000801.105410.-278301.0.oxylus@juno.com> <39878BA7.9391F829@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jon Southwood wrote: > Scott, > > Can't help you with the Drumming score, but if you're interested in a > musical connection with Le Corbusier, check out Iannis Xenakis. Xenakis > actually worked with Le Corbusier for a number of years. His > composition Metastasis is organized by the ratios of Le Corbusier's > Modulus. Xenakis also has a couple (more recent) percussion pieces: > Pleiades (not sure of the spelling) and Rebonds. Both are incredible, > and given his predilection for mathematics, engineering, and > architecture is bound to have some sort of mathematical thread. > > If anyone hasn't heard any Xenakis, but has heard of "stochastic music" > (his term) or "granular synthesis" (originates from a section of his > book, Formalised Music), run out and listen to some of his pieces. My > (beginning) recommendations: Metastasis, Pithoprakta, Tetora, Pleiades, > and Rebonds. His early electronic music, which featured slowly > progressing transformation of source material might appeal to people on > this list as well. Check out: Bohor and Concret PH. > > Good luck, > > Jon Southwood > gamma-ut@home.com thanks for the Xenakis mentions. i look forward to finding these... might i also add a few of my picks? to wit: Akrata for 16 wind instruments (1964-65) ST/10=1-080262 for ten instruments (1956-1962) Atrees (hommage a pascal) for 10 instruments (1962) Morisma-Amorisma, for piano, violin, cello, double bass (1962) ST/4, for string quartet (1962) Nomos Alpha, for cello (1966) and i agree Bohor I and Concret P-H are musts, along with Diamorphoses... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 03:38:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11483; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 03:36:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 03:36:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000802073554.29539.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [213.45.220.144] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Eventide DSP4500 vs. Kyma Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 09:35:54 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: RE: Eventide DSP4500 vs. Kyma >Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:58:43 -0700 > >So does that mean you recommend it? > YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 05:31:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13656; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 05:29:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 05:29:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 02:32:52 -0700 Subject: JamMan tech in SF From: Benjamin Furstenberg To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3048028372_354365_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3048028372_354365_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello! Roland K. Eberle number17@home.com was generous enough to sell me some ram chips to upgrade my JamMan at a friendly price. Now, how to put them in? I figure I'm not the Looper to perform this operation, since I have little experience with the innards of electronics. Is there anyone in SF or the Bay Area who can do this installation totally competently? Obviously, I'm completely willing to pay, but am on an admittedly student budget. Also, I picked up a Vortex for peanuts this week. Guess these are yesterday's papers. Anyone know of tricks or mods or whatever that aren't in the manual for this, anything to get the most out of it? Best to everyone, Ben --MS_Mac_OE_3048028372_354365_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable JamMan tech in SF Hello!
Roland K. Eberle  number17@home.com
was generous enough to sell me some ram chips to upgrade my JamM= an at a friendly price.  Now, how to put them in?  I figure I'm no= t the Looper to perform this operation, since I have little experience with = the innards of electronics.  Is there anyone in SF or the Bay Area who = can do this installation totally competently?  Obviously, I'm completel= y willing to pay, but am on an admittedly student budget.
   Also, I picked up a Vortex for peanuts this week.  = Guess these are yesterday's papers.  Anyone know of tricks or mods or w= hatever that aren't in the manual for this, anything to get the most out of = it?
   Best to everyone, Ben --MS_Mac_OE_3048028372_354365_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 06:47:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14629; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 06:36:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 06:36:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: rob@hemlock.violacea.com Message-ID: <3987FB0B.944BC6DF@wxs.nl> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:42:19 +0200 From: Robert van der Kamp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Eventide DSP4500 vs. Kyma References: <20000801085039.48897.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com italo de angelis wrote: > >Hello, > >Would you mind telling us more about your Orville please? > >In Australia only top level studio's can justify Eventide as its too > >expensive and has lower perceived second hand value compared to Lexicon and > >TC Electronic. > >Before people talk about the reverb comparisons between Lex and Eventide > >Lexicon PCM's have always been popular but around $6000 + pc cards too > >expensive, TC Electronic is deemed to be offering more innovative products > >than Lexicon in the last couple of years. > >Steven > HI Steven! Well I never consider those issues regarding second hand price, > just go for the real quality of the box and its creative power. > We all know that Laxicon, TC & Eventide are the top guys in the business.I > know most of their units, all the PCMs, LXPs and MPXs, 300 and 480, > TC2290,M2000, M5000, M3000, G-Force, Fireworx, H3000s, DSP4000s etc. > Regarding prices: Orville is the top Eventide unit and its list price in US > is 5700$. Lexicon new 960L goes up to 15000$ and TC top System 6000 starts > from 8700$...so as you see who is expensive??? > There is a lot of misknowledge and confusion about this issue out there; one > of the problems is that Eventide Audio is a small branch of a larger > company, working in airplane navigation systems on computers, so they don't > put all their resources into the audio part or into its ads and promotion. > Nevertheless Eventide builds the most powerful and creative science toy > available on earth, ORVILLE!!! This box can do things that other companies > top products cannot EVEN DREAM of doing...Into Orville you get 2 powerful > dsps, each one is like 4 Lexicon PCM80/81s or 4 Event. DSP4000s, just to > give you an idea. Inside Orville you can allocate dsps power and audio > memory building algorithms as you like, repeating structures, setting up 12, > 8 or 6 VERY HIGH QUALITY stereo verbs that stand very well against > Lexicon's. > Plus you can build synths; you have the best pitch shifters around, > including the new Ultrashifter that can recalculate the formants of any > sound, avoiding that nasty Donald Duck or Giant voice artefacts common il > ALL the others shifters on the market...you should hear it! Moreover you > have a 3 minutes sampler with real time editing, time compression/expansion, > shifting, looping and other features that you would find only on top brand > models of EMU or AKAY. You can download the full manual at www.eventide.com > together with thei cool freeware Vsig that allows anybody to program the > unit on a PC, starting from a cheap & miserable 486!!! Now they have EVE/NET > a remote controller for Orville and DSP7000, working with up to 4 units in a > network! Who else goes so far??? What is really light years ahead is the > simplicity of the concept behind Orville: it's a high quality software & > hardware audio computer in which you can build anything you might ever need, > so that you don't have to buy an XXX for verb, a YYY for pitch shifting, a > ZZZ for quality delays, a KKK for dynamics and so on...this way it's much > cheaper and worx better...no cables, no mixers. 8inputs/8outputs, half > analog, half digital...every internal dsp has 4 ins/4outs...you can patch > them any way you like, beyond all the ordinary mono, stereo, split, serial > or parallel configurations...even internal loop structure is > allowed...making up for absolutely new algos...fx are stellar, EQs are > amazing...you can build 32 bands stereo graphic eqs or parametric eqs, > great compressors, new things like harmonix extractors!!! 4.20 minutes of > delay memory to loop your neck off... midiclock, taptempo, reverse delays > and shifters w/32 sec. delay, totally customizable graphical analog > interface with sliders, Vu-meters, pots, monitors and texts, triggers and > even a relay to switch electric contacts on/off...like a mixer gooseneck > lamp...nifty!? > This unit allows the user to build anything, things like vocal synths or gtr > synths are only HERE...post production fx, noises, ambients are only here, > thanxs to oscillators and white noise generators...low-fi and audio mangling > can be as BAD as you like...a real bastard!!! Hi-FI...well no use to talk > about this..it's Eventide. Don't worry about second hand prices...you'll > never sell a box like this...it will grow on you and be kept updated from > many years to caome by the factory; they still make H3000 from the 80s!!! > Who else does it? My PCM80 lasted for about 2 > years...Jamman?...Vortex?...Orville is Quadraphonic...have you ever heard a > real Quad verb? An audio source panning in a Quad mixer? Missing some joys > of life...get the manuals...read them...save your pennies and the market > will NOT bother you for a long long long time ahead...cheaper and better > than the others...you'll agree. > www.eventide.com/oupdate is a site to download the latest software for > Orville and fot users' presets exchange...again...who else does this??? > NOHOPE...frankly...ciao ITALO Shit! Gotta get me one. ;) Anyway, this is really impressive. Maybe I should sell the house... Robert > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 09:34:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16361; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:32:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:32:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b801bffc85$aaedbbe0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: JamMan tech in SF Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:29:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com JamMan tech in SFGood buy! >Also, I picked up a Vortex for peanuts this week. Guess these are yesterday's papers. Anyone know of >tricks or mods or whatever that aren't in the manual for this, anything to get the most out of it? >From the Vortex man himself, Andy Butler: http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm We're fortunate enough to have him on the list. (Andy, you still here?) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 09:45:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16935; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:43:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:43:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.227.130.170] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: New Godin instrument (sort of OT) copywrite question?? Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:42:44 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2000 13:42:44.0651 (UTC) FILETIME=[8973B7B0:01BFFC87] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yo I want to put sustainer pickups in my Godin guitar. Someone sent me an address HooverA@toe.com it didn't work.... Miko are you back from Iowa... this may sound corny but I miss you....Hey where did you get the sustainer pickups you put on your guitar...My CD project is being mastered the next couple of days. Another question??? semi OT I am wanting to do 2 song by other artists. Jackson Browne and Jane Siberry and 2 prayers by Marianne Williamson. How does the copywrite law work? Do I need permission or can I pay them royalties? I get different answers. Thanks Papa Dave papadave55@hotmail.com >Hey Kids, > >Sorry for the Off Topic post, but since this seems to be a list full of >multi-instrumentalists seeking to stretch boundaries, it seemed as good a >place as any to bring this up... > >Has anyone here heard of the new instrument that Godin announced at NAMM? >They are calling it the Glissentar and it seems pretty groovy if you are >into non-western or microtonal music. The only info I have seen is from >this >NAMM report on Harmony Central: > >http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM00/Content/Godin/PR/Glissentar.html > >I couldn't find any additional info on Godin's site and was wondering if >anyone here knew anything else about it, or was at the summer NAMM and >played one, what were your impressions? > >Just curious. > >-Skully >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 09:58:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17485; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:56:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:56:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F91328FD@mail.davitt-hanser.com> From: Todd Quincy To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: copyright question?? Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:58:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Another question??? semi OT I am wanting to do 2 song by other artists. > Jackson Browne and Jane Siberry and 2 prayers by Marianne Williamson. How > > does the copywrite law work? Do I need permission or can I pay them > royalties? I get different answers. Thanks Papa Dave > papadave55@hotmail.com > [Todd Quincy] go to www.harryfox.com you'll find the answers. Todd Quincy BC Rich, Kustom, PowerWerks, Davitt & Hanser > >Hey Kids, > > > >Sorry for the Off Topic post, but since this seems to be a list full of > >multi-instrumentalists seeking to stretch boundaries, it seemed as good a > >place as any to bring this up... > > > >Has anyone here heard of the new instrument that Godin announced at NAMM? > >They are calling it the Glissentar and it seems pretty groovy if you are > >into non-western or microtonal music. The only info I have seen is from > >this > >NAMM report on Harmony Central: > > > >http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM00/Content/Godin/PR/Glissentar.html > > > >I couldn't find any additional info on Godin's site and was wondering if > >anyone here knew anything else about it, or was at the summer NAMM and > >played one, what were your impressions? > > > >Just curious. > > > >-Skully > >________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 10:15:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18072; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:13:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:13:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39885A2A.F6F5B428@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 10:28:16 -0700 From: Your Name Reply-To: switters@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan tech in SF References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Benjamin, The process for installing the IC chips is diagrammed in the JamMan manual and is actually a very simple task requiring almost no knowledge of circuitry. Thanks to Kim the manual is available in JPEG format @ http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/jamman/jammanual/jm13.JPG Remember, this is a testimonial from a literature grad student and not an electrical engineer. You can do it. Best, Sean From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 11:53:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20255; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:50:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:50:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 10:16:24 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: New Godin instrument (sort of OT) copywrite question?? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <007301bffc94$9f4d0ed0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com you need to contact harry fox agency. they handle mechanical licensing check out this site: http://www.nmpa.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Potter" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 8:42 AM Subject: New Godin instrument (sort of OT) copywrite question?? > Yo I want to put sustainer pickups in my Godin guitar. Someone sent me an > address HooverA@toe.com it didn't work.... Miko are you back from > Iowa... this may sound corny but I miss you....Hey where did you get the > sustainer pickups you put on your guitar...My CD project is being mastered > the next couple of days. > > Another question??? semi OT I am wanting to do 2 song by other artists. > Jackson Browne and Jane Siberry and 2 prayers by Marianne Williamson. How > does the copywrite law work? Do I need permission or can I pay them > royalties? I get different answers. Thanks Papa Dave > papadave55@hotmail.com > > > >Hey Kids, > > > >Sorry for the Off Topic post, but since this seems to be a list full of > >multi-instrumentalists seeking to stretch boundaries, it seemed as good a > >place as any to bring this up... > > > >Has anyone here heard of the new instrument that Godin announced at NAMM? > >They are calling it the Glissentar and it seems pretty groovy if you are > >into non-western or microtonal music. The only info I have seen is from > >this > >NAMM report on Harmony Central: > > > >http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM00/Content/Godin/PR/Glissentar.html > > > >I couldn't find any additional info on Godin's site and was wondering if > >anyone here knew anything else about it, or was at the summer NAMM and > >played one, what were your impressions? > > > >Just curious. > > > >-Skully > >________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 12:06:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20639; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:04:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:04:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a301bffc9c$d20c9180$56e70218@lncln1.ri.home.com> Reply-To: "Orlando Gasperini" From: "Orlando Gasperini" To: References: Subject: Re: North East players Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:15:05 -0400 Organization: @Home Network MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I might have signed up on the wrong page. Is Loopers for musicians who sequence there music by using loops? I do everything LIVE !!and play hammond B3 organ with a trio or quartet. Let me know, Im in R.I. lonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew McGraw To: Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 1:41 PM Subject: North East players > Just joined the list, > Looking around for serious, competent loopers, djs, musicians etc for > collaboration on current projects. I'm in the Boston area, but get to NYC > fairly frequently. Check out the mp3s at: > http://209.101.136.76 > If it fits, email: > djmumble@yahoo.com > Thanks! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 12:31:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21218; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:29:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:29:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e801bffc9e$2b0df2f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <00a301bffc9c$d20c9180$56e70218@lncln1.ri.home.com> Subject: Re: North East players Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:24:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Hi, I might have signed up on the wrong page. Is Loopers for musicians who > sequence there music by using loops? I do everything LIVE !!and play hammond > B3 organ with a trio or quartet. Let me know, Im in R.I. lonnie Welcome! A number of us do everything live. Some don't. Seems to be quite a varied collection of folks here. I'd recommend hanging out with us a bit and see what you think. Now that you're here, tell us some about your looping interests. (BTW: The B3 counts as one of the ultimate instruments, in my book!) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 12:44:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21630; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:41:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:41:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3986A52E.2B838B96@dial.pipex.com> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 11:23:42 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock Organization: smtp.dial.pipex.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #236 References: <200008010854.EAA21960@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You obviously know how to drive this thing Dennis. I'm trying to immerse myself in it while still working to pay for it. I like the EDP/Kyma idea though i can't run to it just yet. What about the sound quality of the EDP? One of the reasons I bought Kyma is the pristine sound quality of the Capybara. I'm used to using a Zoom 8080 and intend to incorporate that as my MIDI interface since I'm so familiar with it. I intend to use Kyma live and in the studio. Do you use Kyma live - in quad? Please send me any sounds that incorporate looping/delays/mangling. They might help me get started. Cheers, Gareth > > Yes! Kyma is the deepest I've seen. I'd live/eat/sleep with that > manual for a > good long while! > > I have some Sounds I've written for Kyma that I'd be pleased to send > you. I > want to polish them up a little first. Do you plan on using your > system live or > in-studio (or both)? > > Do you have an EDP? Several of my Sounds communicate between the Kyma > and EDPs. > I am hugely biased toward both EDPs and Kyma. IMHO, the EDP is > first-rate > regarding the user interface. I never realized how good it is until I > tried > looping purely on the Kyma. I found that I depended a lot on the EDP > display to > tell me what is happening. E.g., I press RECORD, then look at the EDP > to confirm > I'm really recording; likewise, with OVERDUB, MULTIPLY, etc. Also, I > use the > EDP time/sync display tell me where I am. On the other hand, the EDP > is a > closed system. It does what it does and ONLY what it does. > > So the EDP is great for building up loops, not so good for > post-construction > mangling. The Kyma is not so good for loop-construction, but fabulous > for > mangling. Even a basic Kyma system supports four channels. > > My solution is to view the EDPs as input devices to the Kyma system. > I can use > the EDP normally, building up a loop through whatever complexity I > want. Then I > can tap a switch and capture that loop into the Kyma. >snip > So I have four loops, the master from > the EDP, and > three slave loops. I have four speakers in a quad set-up with each > loop in a > different speaker. Then I have a "ClapDetector" (no, it's not a > medical thing! > it's a Kyma Sound of mine) control the quad panning. Each time I clap > my hands > (or hit my claves, etc), the sounds rotate. The faster I clap, the > faster they > rotate. Big time fun! > > Dennis Leas From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 13:35:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22383; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:33:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:33:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01BFFCB8.CD1439A0.shimmer@wolmail.nl> From: shimmer Reply-To: "shimmer@wolmail.nl" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: New Godin instrument (sort of OT) copywrite question?? Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:35:14 +0200 Organization: Remco X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet-e-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, Try sustainiac.com good luck, Remco -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: David Potter [SMTP:papadave55@hotmail.com] Verzonden: woensdag, augustus 02, 2000 3:43 Aan: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Onderwerp: New Godin instrument (sort of OT) copywrite question?? Yo I want to put sustainer pickups in my Godin guitar. Someone sent me an address HooverA@toe.com it didn't work.... Miko are you back from Iowa... this may sound corny but I miss you....Hey where did you get the sustainer pickups you put on your guitar...My CD project is being mastered the next couple of days. Another question??? semi OT I am wanting to do 2 song by other artists. Jackson Browne and Jane Siberry and 2 prayers by Marianne Williamson. How does the copywrite law work? Do I need permission or can I pay them royalties? I get different answers. Thanks Papa Dave papadave55@hotmail.com >Hey Kids, > >Sorry for the Off Topic post, but since this seems to be a list full of >multi-instrumentalists seeking to stretch boundaries, it seemed as good a >place as any to bring this up... > >Has anyone here heard of the new instrument that Godin announced at NAMM? >They are calling it the Glissentar and it seems pretty groovy if you are >into non-western or microtonal music. The only info I have seen is from >this >NAMM report on Harmony Central: > >http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM00/Content/Godin/PR/Glissentar.html > >I couldn't find any additional info on Godin's site and was wondering if >anyone here knew anything else about it, or was at the summer NAMM and >played one, what were your impressions? > >Just curious. > >-Skully >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 13:46:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22744; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:44:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:44:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Ben Sharp To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: KORG Triton Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:41:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I haven't seen the KORG Triton/Trinity come up on this list.... I have one, and need some pointers to any good resources which can help me get the most out of this beast. The manual is a bit vague when it comes to the RPPR function and I want to dig deeper in this area. Anyone on this list have one of these fine machines? Drop a line. Thanks in advance, -Ben Sharp http://www.nitropoweredfunnycar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 13:57:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23176; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:55:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:55:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010601bffcaa$5dfb8db0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <200008010854.EAA21960@hemlock.violacea.com> <3986A52E.2B838B96@dial.pipex.com> Subject: From the AP Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:52:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Read this over lunch. Had to post it. From an AP news article in today's paper: "String theory posits that all the particles that make up the world are actually tiny vibrating loops, resonating in concert." Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 14:05:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23572; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:03:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:03:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <397F3198.53AF@altruistmusic.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726181827.00dd4100@127.0.0.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726181827.00dd4100@127.0.0.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20000726182350.00d54220@127.0.0.1> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:02:20 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: (LONG) Beating up on the Electrix Repeater before it even gets here. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ELECTRIX AND THIS LIST At 2:40 AM -0700 7/27/00, Kim Flint wrote: >At 9:47 PM -0700 7/26/00, Mark wrote: > >I disagree. I thought that Electrix may be watching the list and Damon's > >response to the list shows that they are. > >Actually, like you, they just joined this list today. [snip] >I find it amazing that it took Electrix this long to arrive here when they >are already so far into the design of a looping product. From my >perspective, they have made the same mistake that several other companies >recently made, showing up here only after they had already designed all or >most of their looping product and missing a perfect opportunity to discover >what a huge customer base really wants. Agreed. On the other hand, "he who pleases everyone pleases no one" and a lot of great machines are created by a single design team with a clear vision without any outside input. OK. So Electrix is in fact on this list, and we know a lot about loops. IS THE REPEATER SOFTWARE WORTH EVEN DISCUSSING NOW? Now, At 2:40 AM -0700 7/27/00, Kim Flint wrote: >Not necessarily. As Matthias and I have discovered many many times, it is >really hard to add another feature in software when you've already used up >all the buttons in the hardware. :-) But if you look at the very sweet front panel of the unit, this argument mightn't seem to hold: BEAT UP ON THE PRELIMINARY SPEC So surely we should be getting Electrix to post a specification of the software model of the unit, no matter how sketchy... and let us cruelly evaluate what we do and don't like and particularly what critical but simple-to-implement features are MISSING. and eventually build a wishlist for future features (like a programmable crossfade!) A FIRST TRY Here's the not-too-specific advertising text. PERFECT DRUM LOOPS >Quickly establish the groove of your song by > instantly grabbing perfect drum loops. "perfect". is there something like glitch-protection (pardons to members of Glitch who might be reading this) that stops clicks appearing in the audio? Is there a way to tune the loop length a little bit? It would be REALLY interesting if the looper kept even a few seconds before and after the start and end of the loop so you could stretch out the loop and fix sloppy looping. OVERDUBBING >Overdub unlimited guitar lines. "unlimited". hmm. overdubbing: how does that work? can you bounce tracks from one (or more?) of the 4! loops onto another one? there are four interesting looking faders there... FOOT CONTROL guitar: does that mean you can perform EVERY function on the front from some sort of foot controller? (being able to do every function through MIDI counts fine.) PITCH SHIFTING >Add keyboards or vocals and change the > tempo or key without loosing audio quality. So there's some sort of time compression == pitch shifting software in there, is that right? Please tell us more! SYNC >Sync your loop to any source using MIDI clock or Audio Beat >Detection. Ooh, ooh, ooh. Well, I can't be critical about that if it works. MEMORY >Repeater uses CompactFlash media for easy > memory expansion (up to 50 minutes of record time) I swoon here. My camera, my computer, they all use CompactFlash, it's a great medium. 50 minutes of looping! almost a mile of tape! (3750 feet at 15ips) can you play directly from CompactFlash? it isn't that fast, is it? I'd be very happy with just being able to load information on-the-fly from the card. that would imply that there was some sort of internal RAM memory too, though... no information on that... ?? MAC/PC? >as > well as Mac/PC compatibility. > there don't appear to be any serial or USB ports on it... if this just really means "excellent MIDI implementation" I'll be happy. A few more questions.... MODULATION DELAYS? what about modulation delays, like the super timeline? It's one of the big reasons I got the evil DL4 delay (which is great but causes me great sorrows in concert at times.) If so, it would be great if you had a choice of LFOs (like sin, sq, tri, ramp*2, random, external like a footpedal.) ANY LFOs, etc? Any LFOs or function generators or envelope generators in this unit at all?? I salivate with anticipation. /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 14:15:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24048; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:12:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:12:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 11:12:01 -0700 Subject: Re: From the AP From: Larry Stites To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <010601bffcaa$5dfb8db0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think I'll use that as my email signature quote :-) Larry Stites Golden Gate Networks 1 530 478 7960 "String theory posits that all the particles that make up the world are actually tiny vibrating loops, resonating in concert." > From: "Dennis W. Leas" > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:52:03 -0500 > To: > Subject: From the AP > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:56:18 -0400 > > "String theory posits that all the particles that make up the world are > actually > tiny vibrating loops, resonating in concert." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 14:58:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24946; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:54:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:54:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: (LONG) Beating up on the Electrix Repeater before it even get s here. Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:53:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Firstly we would love to hear everyones looper wish-lists. If any one wants to send looper wishlists without cluttering and irritating this disscussion group then send it to support@electrixpro.com Now lets answer a few questions. PERFECT DRUM LOOPS >Quickly establish the groove of your song by > instantly grabbing perfect drum loops. >"perfect". >is there something like glitch-protection >(pardons to members of Glitch who might be reading this) >that stops clicks appearing in the audio? >Is there a way to tune the loop length a little bit? >It would be REALLY interesting if the looper kept even >a few seconds before and after the start and end of the loop >so you could stretch out the loop and fix sloppy looping. It goes somthing like that..... >OVERDUBBING >Overdub unlimited guitar lines. >"unlimited". hmm. >overdubbing: how does that work? can you bounce tracks >from one (or more?) of the 4! loops onto another one? >there are four interesting looking faders there... It will overdub just like a Jamman on a single track. Or you can record to a new track for more control over the mix and FX. >FOOT CONTROL >guitar: >does that mean you can perform EVERY function on the front from >some sort of foot controller? (being able to do every function >through MIDI counts fine.) Some with a 3 button foot controller, everything with MIDI. >PITCH SHIFTING >Add keyboards or vocals and change the > tempo or key without loosing audio quality. >So there's some sort of time compression == pitch shifting >software in there, is that right? Please tell us more! Our parent company, IVL Technologies, is a technology leader in pitch shifting algorithms (found in T.C. Electronic and d8b Mackie products) Needless to say we are all in the same building...... >SYNC >Sync your loop to any source using MIDI clock or Audio Beat >Detection. >Ooh, ooh, ooh. Well, I can't be critical about that if it works. it's going to work ;> MAC/PC? >as > well as Mac/PC compatibility. > >there don't appear to be any serial or USB ports on it... if this just >really means "excellent MIDI implementation" I'll be happy. Like you said, your computer uses compact flash. Just use the "sneaker net" to transfer files back and forth. With a $30 USB Compact Flash reader the CFC will mount on your computer like a disk allowing you to move files back and forth with ease. >A few more questions.... >MODULATION DELAYS? >what about modulation delays, like the super timeline? It's one of the >big reasons I got the evil DL4 delay (which is great but causes me great >sorrows in concert at times.) >If so, it would be great if you had a choice of LFOs (like sin, sq, tri, >ramp*2, random, external like a footpedal.) >ANY LFOs, etc? >Any LFOs or function generators or envelope generators in this unit at all?? I would suggest putting an Electrix FilterFactory and a Mo-FX on the Repeater FX loop. Best Regards, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix / IVL "No Creative Barriers" Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 15:13:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25376; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:06:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:06:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015e01bffcb6$0973e1a0$56e70218@lncln1.ri.home.com> Reply-To: "Orlando Gasperini" From: "Orlando Gasperini" To: References: Subject: Re: KORG Triton Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:15:35 -0400 Organization: @Home Network MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Did you get a video with it? I have a korg N364 and Im sure the Triton is a great machine. lonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Sharp To: Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 1:41 PM Subject: KORG Triton > I haven't seen the KORG Triton/Trinity come up on this list.... I have one, > and need some pointers to any good resources which can help me get the most > out of this beast. The manual is a bit vague when it comes to the RPPR > function and I want to dig deeper in this area. Anyone on this list have > one of these fine machines? 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------_=_NextPart_001_01BFFCB6.38667770-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 15:37:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26229; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:35:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:35:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01bffcb8$9c4f7be0$98a8aad4@ASOFISAteleline1> From: "Fairyland" To: References: <714-39371863-1533@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <39374216.B1D4E5F0@pacbell.net> Subject: unsuscribe Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:34:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com byez Vera Lynn ----- Original Message ----- From: ZacRae To: Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 7:11 AM Subject: Re: Jamman Vrs. 2 > Hi, > > new to the list - my first post in fact... > > My friend installed this ROM upgrade in his jamman - he experienced > pretty similar results... it seemed somewhat more tempermental than > before... I think in the end he had a hard time integrating the new > features in a smooth way and so just used the standard issue features. > > Now what I'd love to have is a pedalboard style jamman like the one on > Bob Sellons page... has anyone else tried a similar mod and could > comment on practicality of doing such a thing? > > Z. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 16:11:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26979; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:08:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:08:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39887FAC.9ABC6126@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:08:28 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: (LONG) Beating up on the Electrix Repeater before it even gets here. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-B4A8C.A.AkG.y7Hi5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" wrote: > Firstly we would love to hear everyones looper wish-lists. If any one wants > to send looper wishlists without cluttering and irritating this disscussion > group then send it to support@electrixpro.com > not to speak out of turn here, but i don't view these kinds of posts as irritants. i'm personally very interested in a dialog between users and manufacturers. the designers & manufacturers that have been involved with the list so far have been quite welcomed to participate, and by and large understand it is a forum for ideas and not a sales venue. lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 16:50:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27867; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:48:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:48:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:59:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Electrix Repeater Wish List Cc: Damon@Electrixpro.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Firstly we would love to hear everyones looper wish-lists. If any one wants >to send looper wishlists without cluttering and irritating this disscussion >group then send it to support@electrixpro.com Damon- First of all, per individual track; I'd like to be able to switch to overdub directly out of record (makes nicer loops). I'd like to seamlessly dupe the original segment "X" number of times, to build tracks to overdub over (like the Echoplex's multiply). I'd like to be able overdub on the track after pitchshifting, timestretching/compressing, speed changes, reversing, and then switch pitchshifting, etc., again. It's important that this is all seamless, no stopping etc, unlike the original Boomerang software. Lock the playback "speed" to multiples/divisors of midiclock on the fly (like MO-FX). You should be able to have all tracks on different multiples/divisors of midiclock and be able to easily change them. Interesting sounding audio hiccups are allowed... Globally; Select combinations of tracks for manipulation, for example, tracks 1, 3, and 4 are "selected", and can then be pitchshifted, time compressed/expanded, etc., simultaneously. Extra points if these manipulations can be relative or absolute (if track 1 is at 1/4 speed, track 2 at original speed, then a relative speed change of 2x should give me track 1 at 1/2 speed, and track 2 at double speed. An absolute change changes them both to double speed). Be able to load from compact flash to an individual track while the other tracks are looping... Looking forward with anticipation (and credit card in hand...) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 18:41:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30645; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:40:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:40:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater Wish List Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:31:32 -0500 Message-ID: <01bffcd9$ca8ffcc0$e8cb580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <8yfGR.A.zdH.CMKi5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>Firstly we would love to hear everyones looper wish-lists. If any one wants >>to send looper wishlists without cluttering and irritating this disscussion >>group then send it to support@electrixpro.com > > Uh, just one request: a quick and easy UNDO feature. PedrOOrdeP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 18:45:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30969; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:43:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:43:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:41:19 EDT Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater Wish List To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com all i would like is a well documented set of instructions and a video of someone walking me through this box in real time, i.e. "ok kiddies, see what happens to the loop when i push this button (and in stereo, mind you!)"...........i must agree with lance, this is the forum for this..........i am a simple "rang"* user and i must say that the reading of these posts is a wonderful "learning" experience........michael *mike nelson..........speaking of wish list, where are you with the rang up-grade?.........many people in this neighborhood would like to know.........:) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 18:48:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31023; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:44:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:44:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <4e.92dcdd7.26b9fdda@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:42:34 EDT Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater Wish List To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 8/2/00 9:39:16 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, PedroFelix@worldnet.att.net writes: << UNDO >> amen!..............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 21:06:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01843; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:04:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:04:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3988F289.B083085@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 21:18:22 -0700 From: Your Name Reply-To: switters@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: K2000 Samples>Mac References: <200008010854.EAA21960@hemlock.violacea.com> <3986A52E.2B838B96@dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone know of a program or solution that will allow me to open a Kurzweil K2000 sample on my Mac? I was going through my old floppies and came upon my sample collection from the K2000 workstation I worked on in the UVM electronic music lab. My drive will recognize the disks but the files are come up as unknown. Any suggestions? Best, Sean From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 22:23:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03197; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:21:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:21:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 19:25:27 -0700 Subject: Re: K2000 Samples>Mac From: Benjamin Furstenberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3988F289.B083085@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This comes up on the Kurzlist. To understand this, you have to separate the concept of *samples*, which make up keymaps, which patches are usually centered around and which are digital audio segments, from the concept of *patches or programs* which are SysEx maps of the programs layers, DSP, etc. Peak will read the samples via SMIDI or better yet over SCSI, but not the patches. Recycle will also talk with the K2k in this way. Spark might too, but not sure. These apps will load, edit, and unload the samples, but not the patches. Get it? For the patches, you'd use an editor/lib, like Sound Diver, Unison, Galaxy. These however don't store and edit the samples. Not ideal, but using these both you can get things done. I'm not sure if there is an app that will open the K format patches directly, I load patches saved on a drive to the K2k then load them into Galaxy, etc. hope this helps, Ben SF CA USA > From: Your Name > Reply-To: switters@earthlink.net > Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 21:18:22 -0700 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: K2000 Samples>Mac > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:07:06 -0400 > > Does anyone know of a program or solution that will allow me to open a > Kurzweil K2000 sample on my Mac? I was going through my old floppies and > came upon my sample collection from the K2000 workstation I worked on in > the UVM electronic music lab. My drive will recognize the disks but the > files are come up as unknown. Any suggestions? > Best, Sean > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 23:28:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04497; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:27:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:27:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.240.220.149] From: "space module" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater Wish List Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:26:12 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2000 03:26:12.0754 (UTC) FILETIME=[92F9EF20:01BFFCFA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Re: Electrix Repeater Wish List > >all i would like is a well documented set of instructions and a video of >someone walking me through this box in real time, i.e. "ok kiddies, see what >happens to the loop when i push this button (and in stereo, mind >you!)" I just tried out the Electrix Demo Display at (Guitar Center in Chicago) with the provided CD and Headphones and every device that Electrix currently has on the market now. This was actually a pretty good Demo, but it could have spent a little more time on getting you acquainted with the control surface. It went kind of fast. A video and CD would be excellent and I think that Electrix has proven that they can do it right. Just slow it down a little... I'm not a spastic 16 year old whiz kid anymore... ...........i must agree with lance, this is the forum for >this..........i am a simple "rang"* user and i must say that the reading of >these posts is a wonderful "learning" experience........michael > I think it's great to hash it out with designers/manufacturers on a public list. It makes the competition to make amazing equipment even more fierce. Plus as previously mentioned, you can learn something about the theory and ideas behind these boxes. Which can make you a more accomplished user/player. I feel like the golden age of sound manipulation has barely begun... BTW I'm recent to this list, and I must say that I like it's archives the best of any I've been on yet. The posts are quite informative and creative... kind of like loooping..... Nick Wilson aka spacemodule Liberation Surrealist Duo: - Electronic Free Noise - Exploratory Sonic Navigations - Tone Science Space Modulator: Electronic Soundscapes, Song compositions & Electric Strings ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Aug 2 23:40:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05074; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:37:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:37:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010701bffcfc$66f73b60$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <20000802002356.79121.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: New Godin instrument (sort of OT) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:39:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Has anyone here heard of the new instrument that Godin announced at NAMM? > They are calling it the Glissentar and it seems pretty groovy if you are > into non-western or microtonal music. The only info I have seen is from this > NAMM report on Harmony Central: > > http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM00/Content/Godin/PR/Glissentar.html > > I couldn't find any additional info on Godin's site and was wondering if > anyone here knew anything else about it, or was at the summer NAMM and > played one, what were your impressions? I saw it also at the Harmony Central site. It looks like the guitar borrowed an idea from the oud, which is also an 11-string instrument (all but the bottom string are doubled). Can't wait for my own fretless guitar to arrive from fretlessguitar.com (it's basically a fretless version of the Fernandes Sustainer Native Pro guitar). Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Aug 3 01:26:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA07559; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:23:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:23:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: dvt@earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3987B57F.180A480A@earthlink.net> References: <20000801.105410.-278301.0.oxylus@juno.com> <39878BA7.9391F829@home.com> <3987B57F.180A480A@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:23:21 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Van Tieghem Subject: Re: xenakis and "drumming" and Jam Man Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2r_xwC.A.l1B.cFQi5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, Xenakis' "Bohor 1" is one of the most incredible pieces I've ever heard. Does anyone know if there has been any re-release on CD of this? All I know of is the Nonesuch LP from the 70's which I still have. Xenakis' music is certainly more "mathematical" than Reich's, though "Bohor 1" in particular has an organic, sound-exploration quality to it that was very inspiring to me early in my career. Interestingly, and related to this list, Steve Reich's work with "phasing" came about more as an accidental discovery than as an exploration of a mathematical idea. Before "Drumming" came works involving tape loops of identical vocal material ("It's Gonna Rain") on different reel-to-reel tape decks that, after initially starting in unison, of course drifted very slowly out of sync with each other. This idea was then applied to a live musician with tape loop ("Violin Phase"), and then musicians without tape ("Piano Phase" and "Drumming"), drifting in and out of sync with each other in an organized way. When I played in Steve's group in the 70's, I don't believe I ever actually saw a score to "Drumming" - it was just taught to me by example. It was an incredible piece to play (as were others from that era) because you had to pay attention while letting yourself go to become part of the group groove - a kind of active trance. Anyway, does anything exist like a stereo Jam Man? Or is that coming with the Repeater? Thanks! David Van Tieghem >Jon Southwood wrote: > >> Scott, >> >> Can't help you with the Drumming score, but if you're interested in a >> musical connection with Le Corbusier, check out Iannis Xenakis. Xenakis >> actually worked with Le Corbusier for a number of years. His >> composition Metastasis is organized by the ratios of Le Corbusier's >> Modulus. Xenakis also has a couple (more recent) percussion pieces: >> Pleiades (not sure of the spelling) and Rebonds. Both are incredible, >> and given his predilection for mathematics, engineering, and >> architecture is bound to have some sort of mathematical thread. >> >> If anyone hasn't heard any Xenakis, but has heard of "stochastic music" >> (his term) or "granular synthesis" (originates from a section of his >> book, Formalised Music), run out and listen to some of his pieces. My >> (beginning) recommendations: Metastasis, Pithoprakta, Tetora, Pleiades, >> and Rebonds. His early electronic music, which featured slowly >> progressing transformation of source material might appeal to people on >> this list as well. Check out: Bohor and Concret PH. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Jon Southwood >> gamma-ut@home.com > >thanks for the Xenakis mentions. i look forward to finding these... >might i also add a few of my picks? > >to wit: > >Akrata for 16 wind instruments (1964-65) >ST/10=1-080262 for ten instruments (1956-1962) >Atrees (hommage a pascal) for 10 instruments (1962) >Morisma-Amorisma, for piano, violin, cello, double bass (1962) >ST/4, for string quartet (1962) >Nomos Alpha, for cello (1966) >and i agree Bohor I and Concret P-H are musts, along with Diamorphoses... > >lance g. -- DAVID VAN TIEGHEM Composer/Percussionist/Performer/Sound Designer Original Music for Film, TV, Theater, Dance & Multimedia david@vantieghem.com http://www.vantieghem.com http://www.mp3.com/davidvantieghem From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Aug 3 02:24:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08544; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 02:23:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 02:23:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 23:23:20 -0700 Subject: Re: xenakis and "drumming" and Jam Man From: Andrew Pask To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Xenakis' "Bohor 1" is one of the most incredible pieces I've ever heard. > Does anyone know if there has been any re-release on CD of this? > All I know of is the Nonesuch LP from the 70's which I still have. Now that's a really good idea. http://www.fe.org/labels/electronic.music.foundation.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Aug 3 08:44:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11982; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:40:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:40:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39896A6C.51AA171D@leehoworks.org> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 05:49:48 -0700 From: lee howard Organization: lee howard productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Lee Howard checking in with David van T. References: <20000801.105410.-278301.0.oxylus@juno.com> <39878BA7.9391F829@home.com> <3987B57F.180A480A@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8PPH4.A.d6C.XgWi5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David van Tiegham???? Where have been hiding? I loved your work from the laurie anderson records, and your solo work...I used to dj in college, ( on-air, pre-turntable-ism) and played your records all the time....would you be interested in the possibility of playing with us? We are a sample based loop music , part subotnick, part loop guru, part afro-celt sound system....al parts us, TonePharaoh. Myself ( bassiste) and the main synthesist ( dwight loop) have been at this 10 years now, and have always needed a spacious sonicist on guitar. They are hard to find. We have been exploring the merging world of musique concrete' and the worl-soul-groove...attempting to draw it together into a melange of trance inducding electronique....we succeed, we fail, we contiue to experiment. We are in the Bay area., san francisco...dwight loop ( his real name) has played with a close friend of Laurie's in NY, and we both have played with dj Cheb-i-sabah most recently. Our music is built around modality, samples, and loops....samples from cambodian freedom fighter, monks crying out their confessions to a holy templar, muslims mulahs,kaliphs and sepphardic chantresses....are you in NY....what are you up to know? Tastes of our music ( on CyberiaRecords) can be heard temporarily at http://www.mp3.com/tonepharoah and my site: http://www.leehoworks.org Dwight's site is: http://www.earwaves.net would love to speak with you...at least to find out what intriguing projects you're on to now 20 years later, and how you're poised for the 21st century. lee howard 877.369.9849 ( toll free) David Van Tieghem wrote: > Hi, > > Xenakis' "Bohor 1" is one of the most incredible pieces I've ever heard. > Does anyone know if there has been any re-release on CD of this? > All I know of is the Nonesuch LP from the 70's which I still have. > > Xenakis' music is certainly more "mathematical" than Reich's, though "Bohor 1" > in particular has an organic, sound-exploration quality to it that was very > inspiring to me early in my career. > > Interestingly, and related to this list, Steve Reich's work with > "phasing" came about more as an accidental > discovery than as an exploration of a mathematical idea. Before > "Drumming" came works > involving tape loops of identical vocal material ("It's Gonna Rain") > on different reel-to-reel tape decks that, > after initially starting in unison, of course drifted very slowly out > of sync with each other. > This idea was then applied to a live musician with tape loop ("Violin > Phase"), and then > musicians without tape ("Piano Phase" and "Drumming"), drifting in > and out of sync with each other > in an organized way. > > When I played in Steve's group in the 70's, I don't believe I ever > actually saw a score to "Drumming" - it > was just taught to me by example. It was an incredible piece to play > (as were others from that era) because you had to pay attention while > letting yourself go to become part of the group groove - a kind of > active trance. > > Anyway, does anything exist like a stereo Jam Man? Or is that coming > with the Repeater? > > Thanks! > David Van Tieghem > > >Jon Southwood wrote: > > > >> Scott, > >> > >> Can't help you with the Drumming score, but if you're interested in a > >> musical connection with Le Corbusier, check out Iannis Xenakis. Xenakis > >> actually worked with Le Corbusier for a number of years. His > >> composition Metastasis is organized by the ratios of Le Corbusier's > >> Modulus. Xenakis also has a couple (more recent) percussion pieces: > >> Pleiades (not sure of the spelling) and Rebonds. Both are incredible, > >> and given his predilection for mathematics, engineering, and > >> architecture is bound to have some sort of mathematical thread. > >> > >> If anyone hasn't heard any Xenakis, but has heard of "stochastic music" > >> (his term) or "granular synthesis" (originates from a section of his > >> book, Formalised Music), run out and listen to some of his pieces. My > >> (beginning) recommendations: Metastasis, Pithoprakta, Tetora, Pleiades, > >> and Rebonds. His early electronic music, which featured slowly > >> progressing transformation of source material might appeal to people on > >> this list as well. Check out: Bohor and Concret PH. > >> > >> Good luck, > >> > >> Jon Southwood > >> gamma-ut@home.com > > > >thanks for the Xenakis mentions. i look forward to finding these... > >might i also add a few of my picks? > > > >to wit: > > > >Akrata for 16 wind instruments (1964-65) > >ST/10=1-080262 for ten instruments (1956-1962) > >Atrees (hommage a pascal) for 10 instruments (1962) > >Morisma-Amorisma, for piano, violin, cello, double bass (1962) > >ST/4, for string quartet (1962) > >Nomos Alpha, for cello (1966) > >and i agree Bohor I and Concret P-H are musts, along with Diamorphoses... > > > >lance g. > > -- > > DAVID VAN TIEGHEM > Composer/Percussionist/Performer/Sound Designer > Original Music for Film, TV, Theater, Dance & Multimedia > david@vantieghem.com > http://www.vantieghem.com > http://www.mp3.com/davidvantieghem From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Aug 3 09:40:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13184; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:38:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:38:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39897810.A594238D@leehoworks.org> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 06:48:00 -0700 From: lee howard Organization: lee howard productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Lee Howard checking in with David van T. References: <20000801.105410.-278301.0.oxylus@juno.com> <39878BA7.9391F829@home.com> <3987B57F.180A480A@earthlink.net> <39896A6C.51AA171D@leehoworks.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B0DB88C2E55922DD155FACCD" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------B0DB88C2E55922DD155FACCD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit okay...got the message...i forgot david is a drummer...how silly of me....wow...what an impressive list of work david has involved himself with....I stand humbled....sorry for the intrusion. Excellent resume, pal. lee howard [Image] lee howard wrote: > David van Tiegham???? Where have been hiding? I loved your work from the laurie > anderson records, and your solo work...I used to dj in college, ( on-air, > pre-turntable-ism) and played your records all the time....would you be interested > in the possibility of playing with us? We are a sample based loop music , part > subotnick, part loop guru, part afro-celt sound system....al parts us, > TonePharaoh. Myself ( bassiste) and the main synthesist > ( dwight loop) have been at this 10 years now, and have always needed a spacious > sonicist on guitar. They are hard to find. We have been exploring the merging > world of musique concrete' and the worl-soul-groove...attempting to draw it > together into a melange of trance inducding electronique....we succeed, we fail, > we contiue to experiment. > We are in the Bay area., san francisco...dwight loop ( his real name) has played > with a close friend of Laurie's in NY, and we both have played with dj > Cheb-i-sabah most recently. Our music is built around modality, samples, and > loops....samples from cambodian freedom fighter, monks crying out their > confessions to a holy templar, muslims mulahs,kaliphs and sepphardic > chantresses....are you in NY....what are you up to know? > > Tastes of our music ( on CyberiaRecords) can be heard temporarily at > http://www.mp3.com/tonepharoah and my site: http://www.leehoworks.org > Dwight's site is: http://www.earwaves.net > > would love to speak with you...at least to find out what intriguing projects > you're on to now 20 years later, and how you're poised for the 21st century. > > lee howard > 877.369.9849 ( toll free) > > David Van Tieghem wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Xenakis' "Bohor 1" is one of the most incredible pieces I've ever heard. > > Does anyone know if there has been any re-release on CD of this? > > All I know of is the Nonesuch LP from the 70's which I still have. > > > > Xenakis' music is certainly more "mathematical" than Reich's, though "Bohor 1" > > in particular has an organic, sound-exploration quality to it that was very > > inspiring to me early in my career. > > > > Interestingly, and related to this list, Steve Reich's work with > > "phasing" came about more as an accidental > > discovery than as an exploration of a mathematical idea. Before > > "Drumming" came works > > involving tape loops of identical vocal material ("It's Gonna Rain") > > on different reel-to-reel tape decks that, > > after initially starting in unison, of course drifted very slowly out > > of sync with each other. > > This idea was then applied to a live musician with tape loop ("Violin > > Phase"), and then > > musicians without tape ("Piano Phase" and "Drumming"), drifting in > > and out of sync with each other > > in an organized way. > > > > When I played in Steve's group in the 70's, I don't believe I ever > > actually saw a score to "Drumming" - it > > was just taught to me by example. It was an incredible piece to play > > (as were others from that era) because you had to pay attention while > > letting yourself go to become part of the group groove - a kind of > > active trance. > > > > Anyway, does anything exist like a stereo Jam Man? Or is that coming > > with the Repeater? > > > > Thanks! > > David Van Tieghem > > > > >Jon Southwood wrote: > > > > > >> Scott, > > >> > > >> Can't help you with the Drumming score, but if you're interested in a > > >> musical connection with Le Corbusier, check out Iannis Xenakis. Xenakis > > >> actually worked with Le Corbusier for a number of years. His > > >> composition Metastasis is organized by the ratios of Le Corbusier's > > >> Modulus. Xenakis also has a couple (more recent) percussion pieces: > > >> Pleiades (not sure of the spelling) and Rebonds. Both are incredible, > > >> and given his predilection for mathematics, engineering, and > > >> architecture is bound to have some sort of mathematical thread. > > >> > > >> If anyone hasn't heard any Xenakis, but has heard of "stochastic music" > > >> (his term) or "granular synthesis" (originates from a section of his > > >> book, Formalised Music), run out and listen to some of his pieces. My > > >> (beginning) recommendations: Metastasis, Pithoprakta, Tetora, Pleiades, > > >> and Rebonds. His early electronic music, which featured slowly > > >> progressing transformation of source material might appeal to people on > > >> this list as well. Check out: Bohor and Concret PH. > > >> > > >> Good luck, > > >> > > >> Jon Southwood > > >> gamma-ut@home.com > > > > > >thanks for the Xenakis mentions. i look forward to finding these... > > >might i also add a few of my picks? > > > > > >to wit: > > > > > >Akrata for 16 wind instruments (1964-65) > > >ST/10=1-080262 for ten instruments (1956-1962) > > >Atrees (hommage a pascal) for 10 instruments (1962) > > >Morisma-Amorisma, for piano, violin, cello, double bass (1962) > > >ST/4, for string quartet (1962) > > >Nomos Alpha, for cello (1966) > > >and i agree Bohor I and Concret P-H are musts, along with Diamorphoses... > > > > > >lance g. > > > > -- > > > > DAVID VAN TIEGHEM > > Composer/Percussionist/Performer/Sound Designer > > Original Music for Film, TV, Theater, Dance & Multimedia > > david@vantieghem.com > > http://www.vantieghem.com > > http://www.mp3.com/davidvantieghem --------------B0DB88C2E55922DD155FACCD Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------A3B71F949A0562988F1D331B" --------------A3B71F949A0562988F1D331B Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit okay...got the message...i forgot david is a drummer...how silly of me....wow...what an impressive list of work david has involved himself with....I stand humbled....sorry for the intrusion. Excellent resume, pal.
 

lee howard

lee howard wrote:

David van Tiegham???? Where have been hiding? I loved your work from the laurie
anderson records, and your solo work...I used to dj  in college, ( on-air,
pre-turntable-ism) and played your records all the time....would you be interested
in the possibility of playing with us? We are a sample based loop music , part
subotnick, part loop guru, part afro-celt sound system....al parts us,
TonePharaoh. Myself ( bassiste) and the main synthesist
( dwight loop) have been at this 10 years now, and have always needed a spacious
sonicist on guitar. They are hard to find. We have been exploring the merging
world of musique concrete' and the worl-soul-groove...attempting to draw it
together into a melange of trance inducding electronique....we succeed, we fail,
we contiue to experiment.
We are in the Bay area., san francisco...dwight loop ( his real name) has played
with a close friend of Laurie's in NY, and we both have played with dj
Cheb-i-sabah most recently.  Our music is built around modality, samples, and
loops....samples from cambodian freedom fighter, monks crying out their
confessions to a holy templar, muslims mulahs,kaliphs and sepphardic
chantresses....are you in NY....what  are you up to know?

Tastes of our music ( on CyberiaRecords) can be heard temporarily at
http://www.mp3.com/tonepharoah  and my site:  http://www.leehoworks.org
Dwight's  site is:  http://www.earwaves.net

would love to speak with you...at least to find out what intriguing projects
you're on to now 20 years later, and how you're poised for the 21st century.

lee howard
877.369.9849 ( toll free)

David Van Tieghem wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Xenakis' "Bohor 1" is one of the most incredible pieces I've ever heard.
> Does anyone know if there has been any re-release on CD of this?
> All I know of is the Nonesuch LP from the 70's which I still have.
>
> Xenakis' music is certainly more "mathematical" than Reich's, though "Bohor 1"
> in particular has an organic, sound-exploration quality to it that was very
> inspiring to me early in my career.
>
> Interestingly, and related to this list, Steve Reich's work with
> "phasing" came about more as an accidental
> discovery than as an exploration of a mathematical idea.  Before
> "Drumming" came works
> involving tape loops of identical vocal material ("It's Gonna Rain")
> on different reel-to-reel tape decks that,
> after initially starting in unison, of course drifted very slowly out
> of sync with each other.
> This idea was then applied to a live musician with tape loop ("Violin
> Phase"), and then
> musicians without tape ("Piano Phase" and "Drumming"), drifting in
> and out of sync with each other
> in an organized way.
>
> When I played in Steve's group in the 70's, I don't believe I ever
> actually saw a score to "Drumming" - it
> was just taught to me by example.  It was an incredible piece to play
> (as were others from that era) because you had to pay attention while
> letting yourself go to become part of the group groove - a kind of
> active trance.
>
> Anyway, does anything exist like a stereo Jam Man?  Or is that coming
> with the Repeater?
>
> Thanks!
> David Van Tieghem
>
> >Jon Southwood wrote:
> >
> >>  Scott,
> >>
> >>  Can't help you with the Drumming score, but if you're interested in a
> >>  musical connection with Le Corbusier, check out Iannis Xenakis.  Xenakis
> >>  actually worked with Le Corbusier for a number of years.  His
> >>  composition Metastasis is organized by the ratios of Le Corbusier's
> >>  Modulus.  Xenakis also has a couple (more recent) percussion pieces:
> >>  Pleiades (not sure of the spelling) and Rebonds.  Both are incredible,
> >>  and given his predilection for mathematics, engineering, and
> >>  architecture is bound to have some sort of mathematical thread.
> >>
> >>  If anyone hasn't heard any Xenakis, but has heard of "stochastic music"
> >>  (his term) or "granular synthesis" (originates from a section of his
> >>  book, Formalised Music), run out and listen to some of his pieces.  My
> >>  (beginning) recommendations: Metastasis, Pithoprakta, Tetora, Pleiades,
> >>  and Rebonds.  His early electronic music, which featured slowly
> >>  progressing transformation of source material might appeal to people on
> >>  this list as well.  Check out: Bohor and Concret PH.
> >>
> >>  Good luck,
> >>
> >>  Jon Southwood
> >>  gamma-ut@home.com
> >
> >thanks for the Xenakis mentions. i look forward to finding these...
> >might i also add a few of my picks?
> >
> >to wit:
> >
> >Akrata for 16 wind instruments (1964-65)
> >ST/10=1-080262 for ten instruments (1956-1962)
> >Atrees (hommage a pascal) for 10 instruments (1962)
> >Morisma-Amorisma, for piano, violin, cello, double bass (1962)
> >ST/4, for string quartet (1962)
> >Nomos Alpha, for cello (1966)
> >and i agree Bohor I and Concret P-H are musts, along with Diamorphoses...
> >
> >lance g.
>
> --
>
> DAVID VAN TIEGHEM
> Composer/Percussionist/Performer/Sound Designer
> Original Music for Film, TV, Theater, Dance & Multimedia
> david@vantieghem.com
> http://www.vantieghem.com
> http://www.mp3.com/davidvantieghem

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nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3987B57F.180A480A@earthlink.net> <20000801.105410.-278301.0.oxylus@juno.com> <39878BA7.9391F829@home.com> <3987B57F.180A480A@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:16:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: xenakis and "drumming" and Jam Man Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Zowee! we get some celebrities around here, don't we? Hi, David, wow...it's been a long time since i've heard your name. i didn't know you were on this list. the last time i heard your name was the Laurie Anderson film that had you and Adrian Belew in it...what was the name of that? anyway, i enjoyed your comments on the 'drumming' piece. currently, Cliff Novey (another LD lister), myself and another guitarist are working on a piece that neccesitates a similar 'headspace'. I've never done anything quite like it before, having to be fiercly concious while letting go and drifting in the groove at the same time. exciting, difficult, and rewarding all at once...whew! seeya, rich >Interestingly, and related to this list, Steve Reich's work with >"phasing" came about more as an accidental >discovery than as an exploration of a mathematical idea. Before >"Drumming" came works >involving tape loops of identical vocal material ("It's Gonna Rain") >on different reel-to-reel tape decks that, >after initially starting in unison, of course drifted very slowly out >of sync with each other. >This idea was then applied to a live musician with tape loop ("Violin >Phase"), and then >musicians without tape ("Piano Phase" and "Drumming"), drifting in >and out of sync with each other >in an organized way. > >When I played in Steve's group in the 70's, I don't believe I ever >actually saw a score to "Drumming" - it >was just taught to me by example. It was an incredible piece to play >(as were others from that era) because you had to pay attention while >letting yourself go to become part of the group groove - a kind of >active trance. > >Anyway, does anything exist like a stereo Jam Man? Or is that coming >with the Repeater? > >Thanks! >David Van Tieghem From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Aug 3 11:33:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15014; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:31:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:31:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007e01bffd61$151de900$56e70218@lncln1.ri.home.com> Reply-To: "Orlando Gasperini" From: "Orlando Gasperini" To: Subject: unsubcribe Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:39:58 -0400 Organization: @Home Network MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007B_01BFFD3F.8DA793C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01BFFD3F.8DA793C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please take me off your mailing list, Im getting too many emails and its = filling up my space. thankyou, lonnie ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01BFFD3F.8DA793C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_007B_01BFFD3F.8DA793C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Aug 3 12:16:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16351; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:13:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:13:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: McCullaghJ@Logica.com Subject: Electrix Repeater : a fair shake of the loopy stick To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:12:35 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 03/08/2000 17:12:35 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi all .. had a look at the Repeater web page .. looks good .. I'm assuming it's 4 mono tracks, or 2 stereo tracks, yeah? > Just use the "sneaker net" to transfer files back and forth. > With a $30 USB Compact Flash reader the CFC will mount on > your computer like a disk allowing you to move files back > and forth with ease. I'm not familiar with this, so forgive me if I'm miles off, but is Compact Flash storage only? Can you (as Tom asked) play directly off CF storage? How much RAM is actually on-board, and what are the available sampling rates/word sizes? Expansion? I see a digital out, but no digital in, so it's a case of popping the CFC into the unit, I'm assuming. But it's about time someone started using easy to replace, computer compatible media for storing loops .. Torn flagged that one in an article (on the Looper's site) ages back .. I see a "Double Loop" button on there .. can you multiply/crop the loop to other degrees, as in the Digitech RP series (where you can take a 800ms loop, and up it to 1.2sec, thereby getting a loop of 1 and a half times the original) ? I would also like to see the tech specs (maybe the manual in .PDF), but it looks _really_ promising .. keep up the good work Damon and Eletrix .. John From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Aug 3 13:21:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17502; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:20:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:20:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Electrix Repeater Wish List Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:19:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I just tried out the Electrix Demo Display at (Guitar Center in Chicago) >with the provided CD and Headphones and every device that Electrix currently >has on the market now. This was actually a pretty good Demo, but it could >have spent a little more time on getting you acquainted with the control >surface. It went kind of fast. A video and CD would be excellent and I >think that Electrix has proven that they can do it right. Just slow it down >a little... I'm not a spastic 16 year old whiz kid anymore... lol {<> We have some video on the web site that actually moves at a much better pace. The stores should also be getting the video as we speak. If anyone wants us to send a video on the existing products let us know at info@electrixpro.com Best Regards, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix / IVL "No Creative Barriers" Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Aug 3 13:25:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17811; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:22:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:22:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Ben Sharp To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: electrochakra Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:19:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com for those of you in the Seattle and outlying municipalities... (for those who aren't... pardon my forum abuse.) I'm pleased to announce the debut performance of a new band-of-fools: electrochakra. The performance will take place in Maggie's Park (Everett,WA) this Sunday, August 6th from lunchtime** until dusk. **lunchtime is noon in most places the following 'bytes are from http://www.MP3.com/electrochakra - the only recorded piece available (we've been together for 2 weeks) is from a rehearsal where the bass is WAY too quiet, but you can still get a sense of what we're about. Artist description Three-man improvisation with a robotic drummer. Music style: Electronic Improvisation Musical influences: Material, Sylvian/Fripp, 70's Miles Davis Group members: Travis Hartnett: guitar Travis Metcalf: guitar Ben Sharp: bass, programming Instruments: Guitar, bass, programming Location: Seattle, WA USA Thanks for listening, Ben Sharp http://www.nitropoweredfunnycar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Aug 3 13:37:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18287; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:35:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:35:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 10:19:23 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: xenakis and "drumming" and Jam Man In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3987B57F.180A480A@earthlink.net> <20000801.105410.-278301.0.oxylus@juno.com> <39878BA7.9391F829@home.com> <3987B57F.180A480A@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: <190ekD.A.8cE.Yzai5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:23 PM -0700 8/2/00, David Van Tieghem wrote: > >Anyway, does anything exist like a stereo Jam Man? Or is that coming >with the Repeater? there is Emmanuel Perille's DJRND2, I think it does 14 stereo loops at a time. The gibson/oberheim echoplex is designed to sync up with other echoplexes, so two (or more) can easily be put together as a stereo pair and operated as one. Many people do that. This setup has the nice advantage that at any time you can also use them independently, either with some synchronized relationship between them or unsynchronized for the phasing tricks you were talking about. I've heard of people using jammans paired together like that too, but jamman wasn't explicitly designed for it so there may be some bugs in that setup. various stereo delays have limited loop functions, but won't be the same as using a jamman, echoplex, etc. Vortex is stereo too, although with much shorter loop time. mostly all described on the Looper's Delight tool pages: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/tools.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Aug 3 13:40:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18639; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:38:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:38:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008c01bffd72$48013140$0f7379a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: EDP Upgrade/ Orville Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:43:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0089_01BFFD37.99260EA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01BFFD37.99260EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Kim- how are things going with the EDP upgrade? I am looking forward = to the new midi aspects and am just curious-=20 Also- I did some reading on the Orville- all I can say is "wow" I want = one. It is somewhere around $5,500 without the remote- so maybe I'll get = two.... ALSO- anyone know if the loops in the Electrix box can be manipulated = non destructively if at all? Cliff ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01BFFD37.99260EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Kim- how are things going with = the EDP=20 upgrade? I am looking forward to the new midi aspects and am just = curious-=20
 
Also- I did some reading on the = Orville- all I=20 can say is "wow" I want one. It is somewhere around $5,500 = without the=20 remote- so maybe I'll get two....
 
ALSO- anyone know if the loops in = the Electrix=20 box can be manipulated non destructively if at all?
 
Cliff
------=_NextPart_000_0089_01BFFD37.99260EA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Aug 3 13:46:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19046; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:43:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:43:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:32:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: RE: Electrix Repeater Wish List Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Damon wrote: >lol {<> >We have some video on the web site that actually moves at a much better >pace. The stores should also be getting the video as we speak. If anyone >wants us to send a video on the existing products let us know at >info@electrixpro.com I just looked at this this morning...i'm interested in the eq killer to add to my filter queen (it looks so lonely, just hanging off one side of the rack!). The web video does a decent job of introducing, but there's quite a bit more under the hood on these units, especially depending upon what kind of signal you're throwing at it. For example, the web video on the eq killer doesn't even go into the FX send, which only sends the 'killed' band out for further processing. It would be nice to see a number of tricks that someone can pull off with this. Perhaps a dedicated video could go more into depth, especially for something with as many permutations as the Repeater? rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Aug 3 14:20:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19827; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:18:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:18:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3989B7EC.1E8661A6@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 11:20:48 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: xenakis and "drumming" and Jam Man References: <20000801.105410.-278301.0.oxylus@juno.com> <39878BA7.9391F829@home.com> <3987B57F.180A480A@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David Van Tieghem wrote: > Hi, > > Xenakis' "Bohor 1" is one of the most incredible pieces I've ever heard. > Does anyone know if there has been any re-release on CD of this? > All I know of is the Nonesuch LP from the 70's which I still have. > > Xenakis' music is certainly more "mathematical" than Reich's, though "Bohor 1" > in particular has an organic, sound-exploration quality to it that was very > inspiring to me early in my career... david welcome to the list. i have enjoyed your music enormously over the years. as for xenakis, i've yet to find bohor I reissued on cd (and i won't be able to access nonesuch's site until i download the latest flash upgrade :-(. i do have a pretty cool disc which includes concret p-h II. it's called "early modulations: vintage volts - cage, schaeffer, et al." on caipirinha records, track list as follows: 1. Imaginary Landscape no 1, John Cage 2. Etude aux chemins de fer, Pierre Schaeffer 3. Concret PH, Iannis Xenakis 4. Silver Apples of the Moon, Morton Subotnick 5. Tete et queue du dragon, Luc Ferrari 6. Treni d'onda a modulazione d'intensita, Vittorio Gelmetti 7. Incantation, Otto Luening 8. Piece for Tape Recorder, Vladimir Ussachevsky 9. Bicycle Built for Two, Max Mathews best, lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Aug 3 14:25:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20148; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:24:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:24:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3989B91F.69E6AB30@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 11:25:56 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: xenakis and "drumming" and Jam Man References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Andrew Pask wrote: > > Xenakis' "Bohor 1" is one of the most incredible pieces I've ever heard. > > Does anyone know if there has been any re-release on CD of this? > > All I know of is the Nonesuch LP from the 70's which I still have. > > Now that's a really good idea. > > http://www.fe.org/labels/electronic.music.foundation.html er, that'll teach me to check every link :-) this looks like a great disc. thanks for the info. lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Aug 3 14:29:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20438; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:28:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:28:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:31:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kirke Sonnichsen Subject: RE: Electrix Repeater Wish List Resent-Message-ID: <_04vMD.A.j-E.6lbi5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I can't seem to find the video you spoke of. When I go: http://www.electrixpro.com/demos.htm there's no link to the "repeater" demo. Is it somewhere else? It sure is handy, when a link is mentioned in an email, to include it in the email! - Kirke (not in marketing) > >lol {<> >We have some video on the web site that actually moves at a much better >pace. The stores should also be getting the video as we speak. If anyone >wants us to send a video on the existing products let us know at >info@electrixpro.com > > >Best Regards, > >Damon Langlois >Creative Director >Electrix / IVL >"No Creative Barriers" >Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 >http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Aug 3 17:03:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22995; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:01:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:01:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Electrix Repeater Wish List Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:58:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sorry, no video on repeater yet. Just videos on the performance FX Best Regards, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix / IVL "No Creative Barriers" Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com -----Original Message----- From: Kirke Sonnichsen [mailto:kirke@lmi.net] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 11:32 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Electrix Repeater Wish List Hi, I can't seem to find the video you spoke of. When I go: http://www.electrixpro.com/demos.htm there's no link to the "repeater" demo. Is it somewhere else? It sure is handy, when a link is mentioned in an email, to include it in the email! - Kirke (not in marketing) > >lol {<> >We have some video on the web site that actually moves at a much better >pace. The stores should also be getting the video as we speak. If anyone >wants us to send a video on the existing products let us know at >info@electrixpro.com > > >Best Regards, > >Damon Langlois >Creative Director >Electrix / IVL >"No Creative Barriers" >Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 >http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Aug 3 17:04:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23063; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:02:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:02:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Electrix Repeater Wish List Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:01:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I can't seem to find the video you spoke of. When I go: >http://www.electrixpro.com/demos.htm >there's no link to the "repeater" demo. Is it somewhere >else? It sure is handy, when a link is mentioned in an >email, to include it in the email! >- Kirke >(not in marketing) Sorry I sent that last email by accident in the middle of writing it. There are just videos on our existing products, nothing on repeater yet. http://www.electrixpro.com will take you to our front page then just click on DEMOS and then click on the product you are interested in. Our site has so many frames in it that it is structured so you can only enter through the first page. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Aug 3 18:57:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25091; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:46:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:46:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008b01bffd9c$afd8a6c0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <3987B57F.180A480A@earthlink.net><20000801.105410.-278301.0.oxylus@juno.com> <39878BA7.9391F829@home.com><3987B57F.180A480A@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: xenakis and "drumming" and Jam Man Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:46:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ya mean "Home of the Brave." I think I wore out the videotape at Berklee's media center watching it so many times. So disappointed to find out recently that it's out of production. If you can find it at your local video store, take a look! And my cassette does credit a certain "David Van Tieghem" with percussion on several tracks. How totally cool. LD just gets better and better. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: rich To: Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 11:16 AM Subject: Re: xenakis and "drumming" and Jam Man > Zowee! we get some celebrities around here, don't we? > > Hi, David, wow...it's been a long time since i've heard your name. i > didn't know you were on this list. the last time i heard your name was the > Laurie Anderson film that had you and Adrian Belew in it...what was the > name of that? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Aug 3 21:23:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27884; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:20:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:20:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000804011928.12166.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:19:28 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: tonic To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5cvGk.A.1yG.rohi5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Any list members play Tonic in NYC yet? Permagrin is talking with them and I am interested in any info about these people and the scene there that any of you have. thanx, Dan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Aug 3 21:45:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28346; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:43:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:43:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [169.197.35.47] From: "Dan Howarth" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: tonic Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:42:28 MST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2000 01:42:28.0909 (UTC) FILETIME=[3FB04DD0:01BFFDB5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Any list members play Tonic in NYC yet? Permagrin is >talking with them and I am interested in any info >about these people and the scene there that any of you >have. >thanx, >Dan hi dan, didn't play there but i attended once, saw joey baron and friends; fine place in my opinion. actually i live in tucson and this was a vacation so to speak when i was there but my host has been there many many times and i get the impression it's one of those places we'll all remember fondly in twenty years. dan howarth http://www.mp3.com/danhowarth http://www.azstarnet.com/~howarth/dth.html ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Aug 3 23:41:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30141; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:39:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:39:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01bffdc5$24a76cc0$7623dacf@z5k2e6> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <3987B57F.180A480A@earthlink.net><20000801.105410.-278301.0.oxylus@juno.com> <39878BA7.9391F829@home.com><3987B57F.180A480A@earthlink.net> <008b01bffd9c$afd8a6c0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: xenakis and "drumming" and Jam Man Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 20:36:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Out of production? Damn! I'd only gotten the CD - and prefer the quality of the Video, which isn't so overmixed. Maybe it's the Niles Rodgers effect? Or no? I know folks both who consider Niles a producing god, and the opposite... So I remain non-committal out of non-experience. :) Stephen Goodman - http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions - get the free Loop of the Week! "Peter Shindler" put forth: > Ya mean "Home of the Brave." I think I wore out the videotape at Berklee's > media center watching it so many times. So disappointed to find out > recently that it's out of production. If you can find it at your local > video store, take a look! > > And my cassette does credit a certain "David Van Tieghem" with percussion on > several tracks. How totally cool. LD just gets better and better. > > > Peter > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: rich > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 11:16 AM > Subject: Re: xenakis and "drumming" and Jam Man > > > > Zowee! we get some celebrities around here, don't we? > > > > Hi, David, wow...it's been a long time since i've heard your name. i > > didn't know you were on this list. the last time i heard your name was > the > > Laurie Anderson film that had you and Adrian Belew in it...what was the > > name of that? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 01:08:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31316; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 01:06:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 01:06:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <75.7d2da0a.26bba91a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 01:05:30 EDT Subject: Re: xenakis and "drumming" and Jam Man To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd like to extend a quick howdy to David Van Tieghem and say how thrilled I am that he is in on this list. I was a little late being ushered into the age of the compact disc but when I finally broke down and got my first player, the first cd that I new I wanted to 'try the system out' was David's '89 release 'Strange Cargo' on the Private music label. His use of keyboards, sampling and the odd assortment of musical toys has definitely got a mature and timeless vibe that resists sounding dated to this day. (..a fate that even Bill Laswell has not escaped!) Seek this stuff out people! -Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 01:42:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA32051; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 01:40:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 01:40:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 01:39:20 EDT Subject: loop example To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Everyone likes to show off examples of their loop-work, here's mine, fresh from the studio: Red Road - index page - Free MP3 downloads, CDs, Bio Info, Tour Dates, Lyrics and More!" (or http://redroad.iuma.com if the above is not a link for your browser) Click on the track 'Hello Dolphin'. k From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 02:09:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA32428; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 02:08:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 02:08:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: loop example Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:12:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sounds nice... really liked the jazz... but... help me out here... I'm very new to looping; in fact, I don't even have anything to loop with (yet)... so I'm definitely still learning about it! My question is: which parts did you loop? Sounds like pretty straight ahead jazz to me... Thanks, Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: KB305@aol.com [mailto:KB305@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 10:39 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: loop example > > > Everyone likes to show off examples of their loop-work, here's > mine, fresh > from the studio: > > Red Road - index page - Free MP3 > downloads, CDs, Bio Info, Tour Dates, Lyrics and More!" > > (or http://redroad.iuma.com if the above is not a link for your browser) > > Click on the track 'Hello Dolphin'. > > k > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 02:19:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA32657; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 02:17:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 02:17:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: The Best Loopers Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:21:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, Okay, this is my first post, so if there's an archive I can go to and get this information, please let me know by posting a URL... :-) I'm just wondering what the best looper to use is? I know there's the Echoplex, the Lexicon (MPG2 I think), the Akai, etc., etc. Which looper device do you all consider to be the best looping device on the market? I'm planning to spend about $1500 for this so would appreciate something in that range (or less)... in fact, PREFERABLY much less! If you have one you think is the best, please tell me why you think it's the best... what features or sounds does it have that the others don't? Thanks! I'm looking forward to your responses... A Newbie for Now... Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 08:45:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03752; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:44:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:44:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 08:42:11 -0400 Subject: DVT From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd also like to welcome David Van Tieghem to the list. I'm still enjoying the (I believe) first album, "These Things Happen" which as I remember was on Warner Bros. in the prehistoric era before CDs. DVT's performances at tha time were really great too; what stands out in my memory are the whale candy dish (ashtray??) sets, use of vibrator and Electro Harmonix one-shot sampler. BTW, video buffs should check out a nice sleeper of a flick called "No Telling".... David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 09:38:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04443; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:36:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:36:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Message-ID: <62.5f6a960.26bc207a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:34:50 EDT Subject: Re: loop example To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Resent-Message-ID: <5dsfoB.A.5EB.basi5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 08/04/2000 1:08:19 AM Central Daylight Time, kmulvihill@mediaone.net writes: << My question is: which parts did you loop? Sounds like pretty straight ahead jazz to me... >> I laid down eight minutes of lovely guitar noises with my Oberheim EDP, on one of the sixteen tracks. We then rewound the tape, and played the whole track with rhythm and my acoustic whacking away, while NOT listening to the six-second loop I had made. Then I started overlaying guitars. And then several solos. During the mix, we pasted some hall reverb on the loop track, and then quick-faded the loop in under the A section of the tune, and out under the B section of the tune. However the loop 'mates' with the jazz in the rest of the track is purely coincidental. So the loop is the background. Which becomes the foreground as the other instruments all fade away about 6 minutes into it. k From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 10:03:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04914; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:01:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:01:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F9132923@mail.davitt-hanser.com> From: Todd Quincy To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: tonic -Loop friendly gigs Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:03:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Happy Friday everyone. I apologize if this idea already exists in the archives, but in respect to Dan's question, why don't we compile a state/city reference of Loop friendly gigs with contact info / scene info etc... Kim, is this a possible task? Todd Quincy BC Rich, Kustom, PowerWerks, Davitt & Hanser > >Any list members play Tonic in NYC yet? Permagrin is > >talking with them and I am interested in any info > >about these people and the scene there that any of you > >have. > >thanx, > >Dan > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 10:20:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05200; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:19:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:19:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.11.2.20000804091412.01cc27f0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: redmoon/mail.redmoon-music.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.0.11 (Beta) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 09:18:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: The Best Loopers In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kevin Mulvihill (01:21 AM 08.04.2000) wrote: >I'm just wondering what the best looper to use is? I know there's the >Echoplex, the Lexicon (MPG2 I think), the Akai, etc., etc. I'm basically software based with a custom app that my partner wrote/is writing. If you wander the archives for the past couple of weeks: http://annihilist.com/cgi-bin/wilma/LDarchive You'll find though that I've been pretty vocal about a new product on it's way out to market, the Repeater from Electrix: http://www.electrixpro.com/ From the initial specs, it looks like it could be quite the machine. It's due out around November and will retail for US $699. Electrix is here on the list (the Creative Director, Damon Langlois) and has been answering questions about the box as best he can without giving away the farm. Mark ____________________________________________________________________________ Stuff: http://www.midiwall.com, Info/Reviews: http://www.midiwall.com/synths From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 12:38:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06862; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:31:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:31:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Joe Lindsey" To: Subject: FS: Digitech TSR-24s with PPG200 card Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:30:00 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <1iMVfB.A.qqB.x-ui5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have the this unit for sale on ebay. I mention it here because of it'd repeat hold ability, whick allows you to do looping. You can also set up multiple delays that feed into on another; parallel, serial and feedback relationships between the delays is completely user configurable. You can achieve a maximum of two seperate four tap 5 second delays. Check it out at: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400642138 Feel free to email me with any questions. Thanks, Joe Lindsey From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 13:39:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07756; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:38:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:38:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:21:33 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: loop example To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <02d601bffe38$70ab4740$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com good stuff, KB i heard your influences before i read them at least a definite lean to abercrombie, sco and torn (i hope that doesn't bug you. some people are bugged by the notion that their sound is not exclusively their own) i even thought "ntsu," though i'm not exactly sure why i have lived in dfw since 1980 and am somewhat familiar with the scene there... i am also a guitar player but am pretty new to looping have been into torn for years, though ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 12:39 AM Subject: loop example > Everyone likes to show off examples of their loop-work, here's mine, fresh > from the studio: > > Red Road - index page - Free MP3 > downloads, CDs, Bio Info, Tour Dates, Lyrics and More!" > > (or http://redroad.iuma.com if the above is not a link for your browser) > > Click on the track 'Hello Dolphin'. > > k > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 13:39:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07758; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:38:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:38:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:20:09 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: loop example To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <02d001bffe38$3df567e0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <2kS_6D.A.-3B.k8vi5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com man, you must not have listened to 'hello dolphin' while there is a straight ahead influence there i would definitely not call it straight ahead. and the loops are pretty easy to spot, too check it out... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 1:12 AM Subject: RE: loop example > Sounds nice... really liked the jazz... > > but... help me out here... I'm very new to looping; in fact, I don't even > have anything to loop with (yet)... so I'm definitely still learning about > it! > > My question is: which parts did you loop? Sounds like pretty straight ahead > jazz to me... > > Thanks, > Kevin > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: KB305@aol.com [mailto:KB305@aol.com] > > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 10:39 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: loop example > > > > > > Everyone likes to show off examples of their loop-work, here's > > mine, fresh > > from the studio: > > > > Red Road - index page - Free MP3 > > downloads, CDs, Bio Info, Tour Dates, Lyrics and More!" > > > > (or http://redroad.iuma.com if the above is not a link for your browser) > > > > Click on the track 'Hello Dolphin'. > > > > k > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 13:48:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08070; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:46:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:46:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:32:36 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: tonic -Loop friendly gigs In-reply-to: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F9132923@mail.davitt-hanser.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 7:03 AM -0700 8/4/00, Todd Quincy wrote: >Happy Friday everyone. > >I apologize if this idea already exists in the archives, but in respect to >Dan's question, why don't we compile a state/city reference of Loop friendly >gigs with contact info / scene info etc... > >Kim, is this a possible task? > Of course it's possible! The whole site is created by people volunteering and contributing things. All that's necessary is for somebody to volunteer and follow through with the work, and I'm happy to add it. I nominate Todd, since it's his idea. :-) (wasn't somebody else talkng about this a while back? nothing ever materialized....) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 14:14:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08589; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:12:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:12:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:50:00 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: The Best Loopers In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:21 PM -0700 8/3/00, Kevin Mulvihill wrote: >Hi all, > >Okay, this is my first post, so if there's an archive I can go to and get >this information, please let me know by posting a URL... :-) Looper's Delight Mailing List Archive is here: http://www.annihilist.com/cgi-bin/wilma/LDarchive almost 4 years of posts, containing huge amounts of discussion about every loop device out there. You will also find many posts from the inventors of the echoplex, boomerang, jamman, line6 dl-4, DJRND2, various software loopers, tape loop innovators, and probably others I've forgotten. Not to mention our menagerie of celebrity posters. >I'm just wondering what the best looper to use is? I know there's the >Echoplex, the Lexicon (MPG2 I think), the Akai, etc., etc. > Looper's Delight "tools of the trade section" has info and reviews, plus links to help search the mailing list archive: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/tools.html >Which looper device do you all consider to be the best looping device on the >market? I'm planning to spend about $1500 for this so would appreciate >something in that range (or less)... in fact, PREFERABLY much less! you could probably get two echoplexes and a boomerang for that much. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 14:15:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08638; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:12:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:12:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000804181214.13311.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:12:14 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: -Loop friendly gig database To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I can help with New Orleans. If anyone wants to play here. Dan --- Todd Quincy wrote: > Happy Friday everyone. > > I apologize if this idea already exists in the > archives, but in respect to > Dan's question, why don't we compile a state/city > reference of Loop friendly > gigs with contact info / scene info etc... > > Kim, is this a possible task? > > Todd Quincy > BC Rich, Kustom, PowerWerks, Davitt & Hanser > > > > > >Any list members play Tonic in NYC yet? > Permagrin is > > >talking with them and I am interested in any info > > >about these people and the scene there that any > of you > > >have. > > >thanx, > > >Dan > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 14:27:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09222; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:26:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:26:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Ben Sharp To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: shameless promotion thinly disguised as an example of an unconven tional use of looping Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:23:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <-w0aoD.A.hPC.rqwi5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I wrote a song a while back which started as a acoustic 12-string guitar part which I played and had intended to use for a completely different purpose. I looped a small section of the guitar (8 bars) then used the Triton to sequence the loop and played bass and drums over the top of it (again, using the Triton). Then, I played that back and sang over it, writing the lyrics on the fly, and recorded the whole thing to my MD-R55 minidisc recorder (which is, BTW, the best investment I ever made). The looping is understated and it's definately a "pop-format" tune (three+ minutes) but a year later is still one of my personal favorites. If you want to hear "Kung-fu Grip", a song about love and circumcision (and i know your curious...): http://bsharp.iuma.com thanks, -bsharp From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 14:38:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09474; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:35:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:35:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Ben Sharp To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: The Best Loopers Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:33:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Roland SP-808 is a great box. I have one and I love it. It's dedicated to phrase sampling, and therefore is very responsive and intuitive to use as such. It also has a 4 track digital recorder/sequencer (which is not as intuitive). It's a very deep unit and I've just scratched the surface, but it's really quite an amazing thing. It has an fantastic selection of high quality effects which can be used pre and post sample and a d-beam controller which can drive any parameter and is just fucking cool no matter how you slice it. The biggest drawback is that it uses Zip discs and a proprietary format to store everything, but this is just a minor annoyance, since you will want to back up anything that you plan to keep around for a long time- I've had a zip go bad on me and it was an unpleasant experience to say the least. It's about $1000 and is worth every penny. If you are ONLY going to be doing looping, the Electrix Repeater has everyone drooling, but it's not available yet. There will more-than-likely be waiting lists to get them when it is finally released. -Ben -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Mulvihill [mailto:kmulvihill@mediaone.net] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 11:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: The Best Loopers Hi all, Okay, this is my first post, so if there's an archive I can go to and get this information, please let me know by posting a URL... :-) I'm just wondering what the best looper to use is? I know there's the Echoplex, the Lexicon (MPG2 I think), the Akai, etc., etc. Which looper device do you all consider to be the best looping device on the market? I'm planning to spend about $1500 for this so would appreciate something in that range (or less)... in fact, PREFERABLY much less! If you have one you think is the best, please tell me why you think it's the best... what features or sounds does it have that the others don't? Thanks! I'm looking forward to your responses... A Newbie for Now... Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 14:49:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09855; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:48:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:48:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F913292E@mail.davitt-hanser.com> From: Todd Quincy To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: tonic -Loop friendly gigs Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:49:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I nominate Todd, > since it's his idea. :-) > [Todd Quincy] i accept, I will figure out the best way for me and begin gathering the info. Look for an initial post in a week or two. Todd Quincy BC Rich, Kustom, PowerWerks, Davitt & Hanser From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 15:05:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10282; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:04:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:04:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: RE: The Best Loopers Message-ID: <0056910006411869000002L192*@MHS> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:01:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 08/04/00 14:02:47" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA10226 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com With respect to the SP-808, I have one too and yet I still rely mostly on my Echoplexes. The SP-808 has many strengths that I would not deny, but it is not a real time looper. After completing a sampling operation, it pauses for several seconds to process the sample. Then you need to hit another button to play the sample. Also, sound output is muted duing the sampling operation.That does not keep the flow going like an EDP! For offline manipulation of samples it is way cool, but will it never replace my EDP or DL6? No. Brother K BenS@bootlegtv.com on 08/04/2000 11:39:35 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@SMTP To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@SMTP cc: Subject: RE: The Best Loopers Classification: Restricted Roland SP-808 is a great box. I have one and I love it. It's dedicated to phrase sampling, and therefore is very responsive and intuitive to use as such. It also has a 4 track digital recorder/sequencer (which is not as intuitive). It's a very deep unit and I've just scratched the surface, but it's really quite an amazing thing. It has an fantastic selection of high quality effects which can be used pre and post sample and a d-beam controller which can drive any parameter and is just fucking cool no matter how you slice it. The biggest drawback is that it uses Zip discs and a proprietary format to store everything, but this is just a minor annoyance, since you will want to back up anything that you plan to keep around for a long time- I've had a zip go bad on me and it was an unpleasant experience to say the least. It's about $1000 and is worth every penny. If you are ONLY going to be doing looping, the Electrix Repeater has everyone drooling, but it's not available yet. There will more-than-likely be waiting lists to get them when it is finally released. -Ben -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Mulvihill [mailto:kmulvihill@mediaone.net] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 11:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: The Best Loopers Hi all, Okay, this is my first post, so if there's an archive I can go to and get this information, please let me know by posting a URL... :-) I'm just wondering what the best looper to use is? I know there's the Echoplex, the Lexicon (MPG2 I think), the Akai, etc., etc. Which looper device do you all consider to be the best looping device on the market? I'm planning to spend about $1500 for this so would appreciate something in that range (or less)... in fact, PREFERABLY much less! If you have one you think is the best, please tell me why you think it's the best... what features or sounds does it have that the others don't? Thanks! I'm looking forward to your responses... A Newbie for Now... Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 15:12:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10538; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:10:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:10:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <398B176E.962FDBEA@leehoworks.org> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:20:14 -0700 From: lee howard Organization: lee howard productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: -Loop friendly gig database References: <20000804181214.13311.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7L_bSB.A.MkC.mUxi5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah... TonePharaoh is planning a southwest tour...we are loopbased- groove concrete', and would like to access a gig database for the nm, ar,colo., and texas area....clubs or performance spaces that would appreciate this type of electronique... thanks in advance peace: Lee Howard Executive Producer CyberiaRecords http://www.mp3.com/tonepharaoh http://www.earwaves.net http://www.leehoworks.org dan sumner wrote: > I can help with New Orleans. If anyone wants to play > here. > Dan > --- Todd Quincy wrote: > > Happy Friday everyone. > > > > I apologize if this idea already exists in the > > archives, but in respect to > > Dan's question, why don't we compile a state/city > > reference of Loop friendly > > gigs with contact info / scene info etc... > > > > Kim, is this a possible task? > > > > Todd Quincy > > BC Rich, Kustom, PowerWerks, Davitt & Hanser > > > > > > > > > >Any list members play Tonic in NYC yet? > > Permagrin is > > > >talking with them and I am interested in any info > > > >about these people and the scene there that any > > of you > > > >have. > > > >thanx, > > > >Dan > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 15:14:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10716; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:13:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:13:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: The Best Loopers Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:16:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thank for your comments, Kim... and thanks to all of you who responded... also, Kim, thanks for Looper's Delight - it's a great resource! I will bounce out to the archives and have a look around. Thanks for the URL. > >Which looper device do you all consider to be the best looping > device on the > >market? I'm planning to spend about $1500 for this so would appreciate > >something in that range (or less)... in fact, PREFERABLY much less! > > you could probably get two echoplexes and a boomerang for that much. Gosh, well, that leads me to wonder where you good folks are buying all of this stuff! Nobody, it seems, sells the Echoplex. West L.A. Music sells it - their price is $995 with the foot pedal. People out here in L.A. sell the Boomerang for $400 or thereabouts... so, there's no buying two echoplexes and a boomerang for $1500 --- unless someone can give me some other resources to check (I didn't see any recent posts on this in the archives). Has anyone bought an echoplex, for example, at a really good price recently??? Thanks! Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 15:27:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11071; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:25:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:25:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: Repeater vs. Echoplex Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:28:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, I hope I'm not posting too much! :-) (Let's just attribute that to excitement and enthusiasm, ok?) I've seen the comments on the Repeater and the drool spilling off of your respective chins. But, being a newbie at all this, and figuring that Echoplex is currently king of the mountain, as it were, I'm just wondering how Repeater compares to the Echoplex. Does anyone have any comments, or perhaps a feature-by-feature comparison of the two devices? Does anyone think that Repeater will replace Echoplex as king of the mountain? And finally, the catch-all question: November is a long time away; I was thinking of buying this month. What does the Repeater have any unique, killer features that would justify my waiting till it's released? Thank you all for your input... Kevin P.S. I've been to the Electrix and Oberheim sites already, and know there is some information there. However, I don't know looping or these products well enough to be able to determine what's most important and perform this comparison myself... hence, the questions above. Appreciate your patience! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 16:03:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11656; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:01:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:01:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRg3G5juGsppqoFETxx0N19Eu4ObgIVAKHov2v6PeHfLxSRlQdS/qPLDhTz From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:00:47 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EDP Tutorial Video Message-ID: <22858-398B20EF-1219@storefull-117.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What ever happened to the discussion of a Tutorial Video for the EDP ? I am finding the EDP not very intuitive. I'm worried I might revert back to the Jamman because of it's ease of use. (BTW, the feature that I looked forward to the most on the EDP was the undo function. Has anybody figured-out Bob Sellon's Jamman upgrade that is supposed to include this function ? I have the Vrs. 2.04 upgrade chip, but it seemed bug-laden to me...) Also- I always use my EDP (and Jamman) synced to a drum machine and sometimes with multiple record/erase steps I'll loose sync. This NEVER happens with the Jamman. Am I alone in this ? Could it be related to having two EDPs hooked together for stereo operation ? Kim ? Mathis ? Beuler ? Anyone ? Thanks, Jordan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 17:07:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12810; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 17:06:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 17:06:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01bffe57$585d42a0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <22858-398B20EF-1219@storefull-117.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: EDP Tutorial Video Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:02:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It sounds like you're having trouble with the UNDO? Tell us what's happening and maybe we can help. I've had some oddities happen when I'm synced to another EDP, but in my case I think it's operator error. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 17:09:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12874; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 17:07:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 17:07:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.13.74.18] Reply-To: robdunl@idir.net From: "Robert Dunlap" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: The Best Loopers Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 21:06:13 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2000 21:06:14.0074 (UTC) FILETIME=[D2BAF1A0:01BFFE57] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com www.sweetwater.com has an echoplex listed @ $750.00....no sales tax :) >From: "Kevin Mulvihill" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: RE: The Best Loopers >Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:16:27 -0700 > >Thank for your comments, Kim... and thanks to all of you who responded... >also, Kim, thanks for Looper's Delight - it's a great resource! > >I will bounce out to the archives and have a look around. Thanks for the >URL. > > > >Which looper device do you all consider to be the best looping > > device on the > > >market? I'm planning to spend about $1500 for this so would appreciate > > >something in that range (or less)... in fact, PREFERABLY much less! > > > > you could probably get two echoplexes and a boomerang for that much. > >Gosh, well, that leads me to wonder where you good folks are buying all of >this stuff! Nobody, it seems, sells the Echoplex. West L.A. Music sells it >- >their price is $995 with the foot pedal. People out here in L.A. sell the >Boomerang for $400 or thereabouts... so, there's no buying two echoplexes >and a boomerang for $1500 --- unless someone can give me some other >resources to check (I didn't see any recent posts on this in the archives). >Has anyone bought an echoplex, for example, at a really good price >recently??? > >Thanks! > >Kevin > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 17:18:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13228; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 17:16:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 17:16:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <398B3419.28C4@hevanet.com.> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:22:33 -0700 From: david auker X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP Tutorial Video References: <22858-398B20EF-1219@storefull-117.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <000f01bffe57$585d42a0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A quick toe seems effective for UNDO ! ||: David :|| ============= Dennis W. Leas wrote: > > It sounds like you're having trouble with the UNDO? Tell us what's happening > and maybe we can help. > > I've had some oddities happen when I'm synced to another EDP, but in my case I > think it's operator error. > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 18:17:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14342; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:13:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:13:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01bffe60$d91d6100$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: The Best Loopers Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 17:10:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Quite a thought provoking post, Kevin. > I'm just wondering what the best looper to use is? ... Of course I have to ask, "'Best' for what?" Here's some considerations: How do you want to use it? Live? In the studio? With other gear? With other players? Do you improvise as you play? Do you want preset loop lengths? How much floor space do you have? Can you use rack-mounted equipment? How mobile? Does it have to be battery powered? Do you connect it to a mixer effects loop? Do you want stereo? How many simultaneous loops? > If you have one you think is the best, please tell me why you think it's the > best... what features or sounds does it have that the others don't? I use the EDP (two of them actually). I really like the interface. But what sets it apart from other loopers (IMHO), is that it integrates well with other boxes. Including other EDPs. Like what other box has a connector labeled "Brother Sync"? I haven't seen any other loopers that integrate nearly as well. Not only can I control every function via MIDI commands to the EDP, but other boxes can determine the status of the EDP via MIDI commands it sends. This is important to me because I see my looper as a system component. I need it to co-operate with my other boxes. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 18:21:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14549; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:19:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:19:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003301bffe62$15a8d720$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: Subject: Base Pack S.R.L. Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:19:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Has anybody else on this list received email from "Base Pack S.R.L."? I'm trying to determine if this entity's ads are being sent directly to me or to one of the mailing lists that I am on. Thanks, Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 18:28:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14771; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:26:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:26:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Base Pack S.R.L. Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:17:56 -0500 Message-ID: <01bffe6a$38ee6800$38cb580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yup, just got a pice of their spam a little bit ago PedrOOrdeP >Has anybody else on this list received email from "Base Pack S.R.L."? > >I'm trying to determine if this entity's ads are being sent directly to me or >to one of the mailing lists that I am on. > >Thanks, >Paolo > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 18:46:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15087; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:37:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:37:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <63.95699a2.26bc9f6c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:36:28 EDT Subject: Re: Base Pack S.R.L. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 8/4/00 9:18:03 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com writes: << "Base Pack S.R.L." >> no From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 18:55:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15092; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:37:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:37:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <38.99d32a0.26bc9f43@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:35:47 EDT Subject: Re: The Best Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 8/4/00 9:13:36 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, dennis@mdbs.com writes: (about the EDP) << I need it to co-operate with my other boxes. >> dennis..........wonderful post...........but i suggest getting a boomerang and start screamin from the git-go..........:)............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 19:00:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15812; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:58:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:58:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007d01bffe67$a9e4e460$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <01bffe6a$38ee6800$38cb580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Subject: Re: Base Pack S.R.L. Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:59:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hmm... you and I both got the spam, but Nemoguitt did not. This suggests to me that somebody is collecting the emails of all individuals with Hispanic sounding names who have been posting to this list. If that person is on this list, shame on you - this is a betrayal among friends. At any rate, I'll be sure to stop signing my posts with my real name here. I really hope I won't have to sign off this list just to prevent my email address from being harvested by another spammer in the future. PV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pedro Felix" To: Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Base Pack S.R.L. > Yup, just got a pice of their spam a little bit ago > PedrOOrdeP > > > >Has anybody else on this list received email from "Base Pack S.R.L."? > > > >I'm trying to determine if this entity's ads are being sent directly to me > or > >to one of the mailing lists that I am on. > > > >Thanks, > >Paolo > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 19:14:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16083; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:12:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:12:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000804231121.5435.qmail@web123.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:11:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: EDP, midi, BrotherSync To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3nbxg.A.t6D.b20i5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- Jordan Pease wrote: > > Also- I always use my EDP (and Jamman) synced to a drum machine and > sometimes with multiple record/erase steps I'll loose sync. This > NEVER > happens with the Jamman. Am I alone in this ? Could it be related to > having two EDPs hooked together for stereo operation ? > > Kim ? Mathis ? Beuler ? Anyone ? > > Thanks, Jordan > Jordan, We have sync'd an interactive drum machine via midi to an EDP with no sync problems. We have done this with 3 EDP BrotherSyn'd together, with 1 of the EDP midi sync'd to an interactive drum machine, with many record/erase/reverse/next loop/multiply changes with No sync problems. For an audible example of this configuration in use live, go to www.mp3.com/brothersync and listen to 'Romp Roast, Turnup Greens', or 'Talk' or 'Kudzu'. The other songs on this page that have drums were looped live playing into the EDPs (no midi, just BrotherSync). Please use hifi play, or hifi download if you want to hear sonic details. For true fidelity, contact brothersync@yahoo.com to buy our CD, 'Expect Delays' (shameless promotion over) bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 19:15:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16205; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:13:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:13:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Kim Flint To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Base Pack S.R.L. Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:12:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com spam can't come through the list, it gets rejected unless the sender is subscribed. kim > -----Original Message----- > From: pvallad1 [mailto:pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com] > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 4:00 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Base Pack S.R.L. > > > Hmm... you and I both got the spam, but Nemoguitt did not. > > This suggests to me that somebody is collecting the emails of > all individuals > with Hispanic sounding names who have been posting to this > list. If that > person is on this list, shame on you - this is a betrayal > among friends. > > At any rate, I'll be sure to stop signing my posts with my > real name here. I > really hope I won't have to sign off this list just to > prevent my email > address from being harvested by another spammer in the future. > > PV > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pedro Felix" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 7:17 PM > Subject: Re: Base Pack S.R.L. > > > > Yup, just got a pice of their spam a little bit ago > > PedrOOrdeP > > > > > > >Has anybody else on this list received email from "Base > Pack S.R.L."? > > > > > >I'm trying to determine if this entity's ads are being > sent directly to me > > or > > >to one of the mailing lists that I am on. > > > > > >Thanks, > > >Paolo > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 19:16:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16217; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:13:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:13:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.editev.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007d01bffe67$a9e4e460$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> References: <01bffe6a$38ee6800$38cb580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> <007d01bffe67$a9e4e460$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:12:53 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Base Pack S.R.L. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hmm... you and I both got the spam, but Nemoguitt did not. > >This suggests to me that somebody is collecting the emails of all individuals >with Hispanic sounding names who have been posting to this list. If that >person is on this list, shame on you - this is a betrayal among friends. > >At any rate, I'll be sure to stop signing my posts with my real name here. I >really hope I won't have to sign off this list just to prevent my email >address from being harvested by another spammer in the future. relax, I imagine it's from some other list you have in common, spam harvesters never do anything so sophisticated as actually LOOK at the names that they steal. /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 19:30:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16739; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:28:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:28:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200008042326.TAA26249@user1.channel1.com> Old-X-Envelope-To: X-Sender: seahorse@pop.channel1.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 19:25:49 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: seahorse@channel1.com Subject: Re: Base Pack S.R.L. In-Reply-To: <003301bffe62$15a8d720$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Paolo, I'm getting them too. Sometimes one ata time, sometimes in clumps of a half dozen. Frank www.dreamchildmusic.com At 06:19 PM 8/4/00 -0400, you wrote: >Has anybody else on this list received email from "Base Pack S.R.L."? > >I'm trying to determine if this entity's ads are being sent directly to me or >to one of the mailing lists that I am on. > >Thanks, >Paolo > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 21:16:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17995; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:15:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:15:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01ae01bffe7a$d3582e20$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <01bffe6a$38ee6800$38cb580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> <007d01bffe67$a9e4e460$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: Base Pack S.R.L. Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:16:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com That's what I'm afraid of, Mr. T. The spammer is an actual person (most likely from Argentina) who is subscribed to this list and manually adding email addresses of anybody he/she thinks is Hispanic (which I am not, btw.) to his/her Spanish language spam list. I forgot most of my Spanish after I left high school. PV P.S. Kim, I got the spam from this email address: troldiego@ciudad.com.ar. Is this genius on the list? ----- Original Message ----- From: xxxxx To: Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 7:12 PM Subject: Re: Base Pack S.R.L. > relax, I imagine it's from some other list you have in common, > spam harvesters never do anything so sophisticated as actually LOOK > at the names that they steal. > > /t > > > ...electronic a capella madness ......... > ...extreme internet radio ... > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Aug 4 22:26:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18679; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 22:25:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 22:25:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01bffe84$33797800$b922dacf@z5k2e6> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <01bffe6a$38ee6800$38cb580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> <007d01bffe67$a9e4e460$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> <01ae01bffe7a$d3582e20$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Base Pack S.R.L. and other Spamanado Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:23:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Might I ask just how everyone deals with this when it occurs? a. Delete it and grumble; b. Make a Mail Rule/Filter to delete it the next time it comes; c. Forward it to spam@(your ISP here) or abuse@(your ISP here). Might I suggest that C. is the best approach, since it leads to a system-wide block of the spammer, so you won't hear from them again, but also so that your fellow users won't either. IMNSHO though, just deleting them allows the problem to continue to occur, and invites external or (worse!) legislative efforts to stop the process of spam, which (and it can vary in its forms depending on who you talk to) could lead to horrible consequences online and off. Stephen Goodman - http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions - get the free Loop of the Week! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Aug 5 03:53:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA22174; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 03:51:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 03:51:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 00:42:15 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Base Pack S.R.L. In-reply-to: <01ae01bffe7a$d3582e20$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <01bffe6a$38ee6800$38cb580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> <007d01bffe67$a9e4e460$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> Resent-Message-ID: <01VVbB.A.eZF.dd8i5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com no, there's no such address on the list. relax, I've gotten spanish spam for a while, and I'm pretty sure my name does not sound hispanic. I also get spam in other languages...russian, german, korean, you name it. spam is now global. (think of it as an opportunity to learn a new language and you won't mind so much...) spammers are much more sophisticated than joining mailing lists and collecting a few addresses. they have address harvesting software that scans through the entire net constantly looking for email addresses. they collect millions at a time. They even send to variations of addresses, and try to automatically decode all the various tricks people use to encode their addresses. (since I get all mails to my domains, I get all sorts of wacky stuff to non-existing addresses....) If your address is anywhere on the net, you will get spam. Deal with it whichever way makes you happy, cause nothing will stop it. kim At 6:16 PM -0700 8/4/00, pvallad1 wrote: >That's what I'm afraid of, Mr. T. The spammer is an actual person (most >likely from Argentina) who is subscribed to this list and manually adding >email addresses of anybody he/she thinks is Hispanic (which I am not, btw.) to >his/her Spanish language spam list. I forgot most of my Spanish after I left >high school. > >PV > >P.S. Kim, I got the spam from this email address: troldiego@ciudad.com.ar. Is >this genius on the list? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: xxxxx >To: >Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 7:12 PM >Subject: Re: Base Pack S.R.L. > > >> relax, I imagine it's from some other list you have in common, >> spam harvesters never do anything so sophisticated as actually LOOK >> at the names that they steal. >> >> /t >> >> >> ...electronic a capella madness ......... >> ...extreme internet radio ... >> ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Aug 5 07:15:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA23255; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 07:14:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 07:14:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000805072002.007ba510@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 07:20:02 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Base Pack S.R.L. In-Reply-To: References: <01ae01bffe7a$d3582e20$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> <01bffe6a$38ee6800$38cb580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> <007d01bffe67$a9e4e460$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:42 AM 8/5/00 -0700, you wrote: >...I also get spam in other languages...russian, >german, korean, you name it. spam is now global. (think of it as an >opportunity to learn a new language and you won't mind so much...) Imagine if all spam and looping device manuals were written in Esperanto... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Aug 5 08:57:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24087; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 08:55:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 08:55:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <398C0EB7.103A@club-internet.fr> Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 14:55:19 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Why CompactFlash, Damon ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-7d7g.A.B1F.d6Aj5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Repeater works with CompactFlash ? But why not Smartmedia which is 5 times faster and much more communly used with japaneese samplers now ? Smartmedia sockets availability I suppose ? Our world is lead by the japaneese industry anyway ... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Aug 5 09:41:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24854; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 09:40:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 09:40:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <6c.1d50c52.26bd7298@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 09:37:28 EDT Subject: Godin Glissentar Response To: skullyshakespeare@Hotmail.com (Peter Underwood), Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello folks.....One of you asked about the new Godin Glissentar, that was introduced at Namm. I thought I'd respond, since I am familiar with the instrument. I was pleased to have had an opportunity at Namm, to try out the prototype. Delivery has not begun on these models, yet, I am told. I picked up the catalog at Namm, and I'm certain Robert Godin wouldn't mind my forwarding a copy of the page on the Glissentar to your attention, if you would like it. It's an rtf file and may take considerable time to download. So, I'll only forward it on request. Robert Godin is quite excited about this new product which he has designed, personally. This is a very unique instrument, a fretless 11 string. Nylon strings are tuned in standard guitar tuning... unison for the first five pairs, and the sixth string is a single low E string. The instrument takes a little time (not much) to get used to it. Sort of sounds like a fretless nylon string with a sitar-like flair to it. It's great for World Beat / World Rhythm / New World music where you want to have a specialty East / West sound in your mixes. Personally, I believe it's more well suited to single note melody and improvisation, than it is for chording....but, that may be only because I didn't have enough time to "mess with it at the show!" Also, I've not had much experience with a fretless anything...so, that alone was new to me. ______________________________________________________________________ >From the 2000 Godin Catalog: A-11 Glissentar More than ever before, musicians are mixing sounds and musical styles from all over the world. This often involves the mixing of Eastern and Western music, such as using a Sitar in a Western musical setting or using western instruments to imitate the sounds in Eastern music. The Glissentar was inspired by a similar desire to mix elements of East and West, but in this case, in the instrument itself. In a nutshell, it's an eleven string, fretless, acoustic/electric instrument, strung with nylon strings and tuned to standard guitar tuning. The Western part of the equation is easy to recognize as a variation on the guitar. All of the instrument's basic dimensions -- scale length, body size and depth, fingerboard radius and string height -- are fairly standard for acoustic/electric guitars. The Eastern influence in the Glissentar comes from the Oud, an ancestor of the Mandolin that dates back to the seventh century. The Oud is also an eleven string fretless instrument and is still in use today, primarily in Armenia and Egypt. Adapting to this new instrument is actually a great deal easier than it appears. The shape and scale of the neck and the easily visible side position markers help to give the Glissentar a very familiar feel. The Glissentar opens the door to microtonal playing as well as some incredible and unique new sounds for adventurous guitar players. _____________________________________________________________________ I've got one on order.....think it will prove to be very interesting in the studio and on stage. It's a specialty instrument, and a real cool addition for the player that already has one of each of everything else in his / her toolbox. It should prove to be a nice addition to the arsenal. I'm excited about it, because I believe it will open some new opportunities to me personally, as regards my "world rumba flamenca / jazzamenco" music. I'm certain new tunes will be written around this instrument, too. Robert Godin, goes out of his way to create new and innovative guitar concepts, and I've been very impressed with the new Classical (12 fret neck) Multiac, and the LGX-SA. Good quality for the money, and great tone, too! I've visited their plant in Canada, as I am one of the firms artist endorsees. The folks up there are great, as are the products and support. They are now one of the largest suppliers / manufacturers of stringed instruments in North America. They build a lot of guitars...and good ones at that. Trusting I've provided you with some insight as regards the Glissentar, I am. Click here: Index Lasido / Godin guitar website Regards, Wayne Wesley Johnson More info about WWJ & Wannadu,LLC: Independent Music Showcase: Wayne Wesley Johnson & Ruben Romero - Hypnotic Safari Wayne Wesley Johnson's Home Page WannaduMu sic's First Home Page Johnson / Romero Review ~ Indie-Music.com Wannadu, LLC P.O. Box 212 Oldwick, New Jersey 08858-0212 phone: 908.236.2900 fax: 908.236.2985 email: Wjguitar@aol.com website: coming soon www.wannadu.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Aug 5 10:16:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25334; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:15:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:15:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:14:05 EDT Subject: Re: Godin Glissentar Response To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 00-08-05 09:39:14 EDT, you write: << It's a specialty instrument, and a real cool addition for the player that already has one of each of everything else in his / her toolbox. >> boy, that sounds like me!............sign me up for that there glissenter..........:)........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Aug 5 12:47:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26589; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:45:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:45:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <398C4788.5014@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 09:57:45 -0700 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Godin Glissentar Response References: <6c.1d50c52.26bd7298@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wouldn't it sound much more like an Oud,that's bassically what it is. Sitars have metal strings and a different scale length. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Aug 5 13:00:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26939; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:58:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:58:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.editev.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <398C0EB7.103A@club-internet.fr> References: <398C0EB7.103A@club-internet.fr> Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:57:45 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Why CompactFlash, Damon ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com perille@club-internet.fr wrote: >Repeater works with CompactFlash ? > >But why not Smartmedia which is 5 times faster and much more communly >used with japaneese samplers now ? > >Smartmedia sockets availability I suppose ? > >Our world is lead by the japaneese industry anyway ... That's very interesting, I didn't know that there was a speed difference between the two formats! Is it intrinsic in the media, is there a URL somewhere with more technical information? The speed issue aside, CompactFlash is apparently more widely used on cameras and the like... I have about 250MB already in CompactFlash cards for various uses and I'm really happy that I can just continue to use the same format. The format has been completely reliable for me -- I've taken well over ten thousand photos with not a single loss (that I noticed, that is...) /t (OT: here's an excellent, detailed, technical article about lossy audio compression techniques like mp3 and RealAudio: ) ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Aug 5 13:24:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27410; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 13:23:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 13:23:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <398C4D77.6B0C@club-internet.fr> Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 19:23:03 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Why CompactFlash, Damon ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > That's very interesting, I didn't know that there was a speed > difference between the two formats! Is it intrinsic in the media, > is there a URL somewhere with more technical information? > CompactFlash is slower due to the PCMCIA/ATA interface monitored by an embedded microcomputer inside the card between the external bus and the internal memory chips. Smartmedia is only these memory chips WITHOUT ANY microcomputer, so you can expect much higher speed when directy connected to embedded hardwares. I wonder the use of an absolute IBM-PC compatibility for specific looping hardwares. So why losing performances ? See Mitsubishi and other wellknown japaneese manufacturers ... Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Aug 5 13:29:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27710; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 13:28:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 13:28:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000805133303.007c4e30@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 13:33:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Godin Glissentar Response In-Reply-To: <398C4788.5014@earthlink.net> References: <6c.1d50c52.26bd7298@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From the link that someone posted the other day, the only difference I see between the Glissentar and an electric oud IS the scale length. Its scale is typical of a guitar, which would place it between a sitar and an oud. (My ouds are quite a bit shorter.) But you're right, the sound is most likely very oud-like, having the same string courses and no frets, and it sure would be easier to amplify... At 09:57 AM 8/5/00 -0700, you wrote: >Wouldn't it sound much more like an Oud,that's bassically what it is. >Sitars have metal strings and a different scale length. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Aug 5 13:51:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28139; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 13:49:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 13:49:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01bfff06$e7806020$519b4e0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: Subject: Re: Godin Glissentar Response Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 13:59:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tim wrote: >From the link that someone posted the other day, the only difference I see >between the Glissentar and an electric oud IS the scale length. Its scale >is typical of a guitar, which would place it between a sitar and an oud. >(My ouds are quite a bit shorter.) But you're right, the sound is most >likely very oud-like, having the same string courses and no frets, and it >sure would be easier to amplify... It sure looks like a great instrument. Tim's right -- the neck is much longer than an oud neck. The oud, somewhat like the guitar, is played across all strings in only the first few hand positions. I 'm assuming the glissentar is built with some compensation in the neck to allow clear intonation and good sound farther up the fingerboard. Almost all "long-necked" instruments (like sitar, tar, saz, bozouki, etc.) have either metal or catgut/nylon frets, which are essential not only for intonation, but especially for volume as one plays higher up the neck closer to the bridge. One other point: the oud generally has doubled strings for all except the lowest (bass) course, since that string tends to get quite muddy when doubled. Several oud players that I know also like to play the highest string as a single course (removing one of the pair) because this string gets played often and it's very difficult to keep both strings in perfect tuning. I would imagine that chording would be quite tricky as well, with no frets to rely on for intonation. But many oud players add chords to their melodic lines, so I guess it could be done on the glissentar as well. All in all, though, the glissentar looks very impressive. James Pokorny From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Aug 5 13:55:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28537; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 13:54:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 13:54:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <398BAB2F.55B56A4D@dial.pipex.com> Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 06:50:39 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock Organization: smtp.dial.pipex.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #242 References: <200008050116.VAA18081@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ouch! >I've had a zip go bad on me and it was an unpleasant experience > to say the least. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Aug 5 14:17:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29030; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:16:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:16:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <398C592D.FA00DBE4@virtulink.com> Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 14:13:01 -0400 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: fretless guitars (was Re: Godin Glissentar Response) References: <6c.1d50c52.26bd7298@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm getting a FreeNote G&L fretless, it should be done any day now. http://microtones.com -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Aug 5 14:17:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29286; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:16:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:16:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:15:44 EDT Subject: Re: Godin Glissentar Response To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <9X5jsC.A.sEH.vnFj5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 00-08-05 13:27:51 EDT, you write: << My ouds are quite a bit shorter. >> tim......this may be more info than we need.......:).......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Aug 5 14:48:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29891; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:46:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:46:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.11.2.20000805132404.031067b8@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.0.11 (Beta) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 13:43:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Why CompactFlash, Damon ? In-Reply-To: <398C0EB7.103A@club-internet.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com PERILLE (07:55 AM 08.05.2000) wrote: >Repeater works with CompactFlash ? > >But why not Smartmedia which is 5 times faster and much more communly >used with japaneese samplers now ? I've been thinking about this and have some thoughts... - Density. In having a camera that's based on SmartMedia, I've been looking for larger parts and I can't find anything on the market larger than 64meg. CompactFlash is generally available up to 128meg, and it looks like Electrix found 256meg parts. - Durability. While I love the small size of SmartMedia, my impression is that it is a medium which was designed for thin applications such as digital cameras. Short of storing it in an external plastic shell, it is not exactly resilient to bending. I cringe every time that I move the wafer from the camera to my USB reader. - Cost. CompactFlash seems to be slightly less expensive on the street (about $20 less for commonly available 64meg parts). This isn't a significant difference to the consumer, but the *value* is greater when you add in the durability question. I don't think that the part speed will be much of an issue. I would think that the Repeater will *not* try to play _directly_ from the media, but it will instead buffer the data stream first. This solution would be much more cost effective in the terms of being able to use slower/less expensive media, and allows for various data manipulation tricks along the way. Given the price of RAM these days, I would suspect that there is a healthy buffer available in the machine for stream buffering as well as scratch pad area for time/pitch shift magic. If this is all correct guessing, then I personally would option for the larger and more durable media at a lower cost, CompactFlash. If we figure that the machine is *not* using any compression, and that it is sampling/storing data at 44.1khz, 16 bit, then we're looking at the general numbers of 5meg/minute for a mono track. Given a 256meg part, that would give us about 50 track minutes. Obviously, even simple data compression would double that. 100 track minutes on a looper box? And the ability to slam in another 100 minutes on a dark stage without worrying about breaking the media if you insert it off-center? Cool. :) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Aug 5 20:01:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32411; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 19:58:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 19:58:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201bfff39$26be7ce0$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <01bffe6a$38ee6800$38cb580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> <007d01bffe67$a9e4e460$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: Base Pack S.R.L. Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 19:59:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim, I checked out the mailing list archives at the website, and sure enough, the email addresses of each and every single person who has ever posted here is archived along with their posts. eGroups has a feature where it "mangles" the email addresses of list posters in its web-hosted mailing list archives. Any chance of introducing a similiar feature for the archives for this list? I guess I've been bothered by this because I have a hotmail account which I used as the "spam-magnet" and this account that I'm using for this list is supposedly for communications with people I trust. I could use email filtering, but spammers now routinely change their fake "from" addresses. I guess I'll have to live with it for now. :( :( :( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 3:42 AM Subject: Re: Base Pack S.R.L. > no, there's no such address on the list. > > relax, I've gotten spanish spam for a while, and I'm pretty sure my name > does not sound hispanic. I also get spam in other languages...russian, > german, korean, you name it. spam is now global. (think of it as an > opportunity to learn a new language and you won't mind so much...) > > spammers are much more sophisticated than joining mailing lists and > collecting a few addresses. they have address harvesting software that > scans through the entire net constantly looking for email addresses. they > collect millions at a time. They even send to variations of addresses, and > try to automatically decode all the various tricks people use to encode > their addresses. (since I get all mails to my domains, I get all sorts of > wacky stuff to non-existing addresses....) If your address is anywhere on > the net, you will get spam. Deal with it whichever way makes you happy, > cause nothing will stop it. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Aug 5 20:32:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00421; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 20:31:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 20:31:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601bfff3d$cd3bcec0$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <01bffe6a$38ee6800$38cb580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> <007d01bffe67$a9e4e460$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> <01ae01bffe7a$d3582e20$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> <004f01bffe84$33797800$b922dacf@z5k2e6> Subject: Re: Base Pack S.R.L. and other Spamanado Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 20:32:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <6qveID.A.n_H.RHLj5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Stephen, Thanks for the info. My ISP recommended this site: http://spamcop.net/ When you submit your spam to SpamCop (via a form where you paste the spam), it traces through the headers (via calls to nslookup, etc. for you techies), gives you its findings, then waits for you to tell it to send a report to the appropriate postmasters/sysadmins and the Spam Recycling Center (they have a website at http://www.chooseyourmail.com/spamindex.cfm). My apologies to the rest of the list if anyone was offended by my rants on this topic. Paolo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 10:23 PM Subject: Base Pack S.R.L. and other Spamanado > Might I ask just how everyone deals with this when it occurs? > > a. Delete it and grumble; > b. Make a Mail Rule/Filter to delete it the next time it comes; > c. Forward it to spam@(your ISP here) or abuse@(your ISP here). > > Might I suggest that C. is the best approach, since it leads to a > system-wide block of the spammer, so you won't hear from them again, but > also so that your fellow users won't either. IMNSHO though, just deleting > them allows the problem to continue to occur, and invites external or > (worse!) legislative efforts to stop the process of spam, which (and it can > vary in its forms depending on who you talk to) could lead to horrible > consequences online and off. > > Stephen Goodman - http://www.earthlight.net/Studios > EarthLight Productions - get the free Loop of the Week! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Aug 5 23:55:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02085; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:54:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:54:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 20:50:22 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Why CompactFlash, Damon ? In-reply-to: <398C0EB7.103A@club-internet.fr> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <7vmQnC.A.Ue.aEOj5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 5:55 AM -0700 8/5/00, PERILLE wrote: >Repeater works with CompactFlash ? > >But why not Smartmedia which is 5 times faster and much more communly >used with japaneese samplers now ? is it faster? I looked around for specs on various manufacturer pages, and found they were about the same for sustained reads and SmartMedia slower for sustained writes. Do you know where I could find a good comparison between them? For the datarates I found CompactFlash seems to have sustained rates of 1.5MB/s. Say you wanted this for the main memory. A looper needs to be able to simultaneously read and write for each channel, so figure you actually have .75MB/s to fit read streams and the same for writes. I think that would fit about 8 channels of 16 bit audio at either 44.1khz or 48khz sample rates. (assuming there isn't any other overhead.) that would certainly be too slow for a conventional sampler, but maybe fine for many looper type uses. Or, if it is purely used for storage, loading a minute of audio data at the full 1.5MB/s would take around 3.5 seconds. >Smartmedia sockets availability I suppose ? > >Our world is lead by the japaneese industry anyway ... ...and the PC industry where I work. To me this means we not bother with storage media for each device. Musical instruments last a long time for the rapidly evolving storage media - whatever you use will be obsolete and gone long before the instrument. Instead look towards communication interfaces.....maybe bluetooth or 802.11...everything in your studio could simply transmit wirelessly to your laptop or PDA... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Aug 6 00:13:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02577; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:12:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:12:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 21:10:01 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Repeater vs. Echoplex In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:28 PM -0700 8/4/00, Kevin Mulvihill wrote: >Hi all, > >I hope I'm not posting too much! :-) (Let's just attribute that to >excitement and enthusiasm, ok?) > >I've seen the comments on the Repeater and the drool spilling off of your >respective chins. But, being a newbie at all this, and figuring that >Echoplex is currently king of the mountain, as it were, I'm just wondering >how Repeater compares to the Echoplex. > >Does anyone have any comments, or perhaps a feature-by-feature comparison of >the two devices? since the repeater is not out yet, and no manual or specs are really available, such a comparison is not really possible. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Aug 6 01:13:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03282; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:11:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:11:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000806051051.1800.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:10:51 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Kim, some questions..... To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Like a lot of other folks on the list, I'm looking forward to seeing what the Electrix Repeater will do. Even though I don't currently own any Electrix equip- ment, I'm well aware of their name thru advertisements & product reviews. I'm quite sure I will be seeing plenty of ads & reviews on the Repeater. Which brings me to my questions... Why have I never seen an ad for the EDP? It was only a stroke of luck on my part that I received a catalog from Thoroughbred Music some years ago that actually contained a photo & description of the EDP. If not for that, I would still be drawing on my memories of the 1970s when I heard the word "Echoplex". As a matter of fact, I only became aware of "Loopers Delight" because I had to web-search for ANY info on the EDP. Does Gibson intend to run any ads for the EDP. Will we see any product reviews when the upgrade is finally released? I hate to think that the EDP might die another slow death simply because people have to subscribe to "Loopers Delight" to be aware of it. Kim, I know you don't call the shots on how Gibson spends their advertising dollars, but you're certainly in a better position than I am to understand it. What gives? John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Aug 6 01:17:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03583; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:16:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:16:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 22:07:28 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Base Pack S.R.L. In-reply-to: <003201bfff39$26be7ce0$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <01bffe6a$38ee6800$38cb580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> <007d01bffe67$a9e4e460$c8f1a118@tampabay.rr.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 4:59 PM -0700 8/5/00, pvallad1 wrote: >Kim, > >I checked out the mailing list archives at the website, and sure enough, the >email addresses of each and every single person who has ever posted here is >archived along with their posts. yes, the list has always been archived, and that has always been the case. You've been here for years and you just noticed? :-) >eGroups has a feature where it "mangles" the email addresses of list posters >in its web-hosted mailing list archives. Any chance of introducing a similiar >feature for the archives for this list? no. that seriously reduces the usefulness of the archive. A person looking for specific information might find some useful posts and wish to follow up to the authors with further questions. they can easily get the email address and do that, hopefully getting the info the are looking for. (people contact me in this way quite frequently, and I do what I can to help them out.) Or maybe the are looking for somebody with particular interests for collaboration and find somebody in the archive. They can contact that person directly and maybe something happens. To me, this is in keeping with the community spirit the web held when it started, and the spirit in which Looper's Delight has always been based. I'm not interested in losing that. That would mean the spammers win. >I guess I've been bothered by this because I have a hotmail account which I >used as the "spam-magnet" and this account that I'm using for this list is >supposedly for communications with people I trust. I could use email >filtering, but spammers now routinely change their fake "from" addresses. I >guess I'll have to live with it for now. This list has always been a public and open forum, fully visible to the world. Even on the list, about 75% of the subscribers never post at all and we have no idea who they are. That's pretty true of most lists I'm on. If all that bothers you, use your hotmail account for mailing lists. I get tons of spam, probably a lot more than you get. I found long ago that complaining to ISPs and sysadmins, attempting to find magic filtering rules, using different mail addresses, or even worrying about it at all was a total waste of time compared to simply using the delete key. in anycase, this is not very topical. send me mail if you want to discuss it any more. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 06:33:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA07217; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 06:31:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 06:31:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 03:28:27 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Loopers-Delight.com! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Everybody- Looper's Delight now has it's own domain! http://www.loopers-delight.com As you can see with this mail, the mailing list now uses this domain as well. To post on the Looper's Delight list, send to: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com For sub and unsub requests, send to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com or Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com for the digest. If you send mail to the old address it should automatically forward to the new one. Hopefully I've got everything set up right so it will work properly. A lot of work has gone into this, and it should be the beginning of bigger things to come! If you see anything acting up, please let me know. Thanks! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 06:34:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA07053; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 06:27:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 06:27:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <398D3D86.42BC@club-internet.fr> Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 12:27:18 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Damon, Why CF ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Repeater works with CompactFlash ? > > > >But why not Smartmedia which is 5 times faster and much more communly > >used with japaneese samplers now ? > > is it faster? I looked around for specs on various manufacturer pages, and > found they were about the same for sustained reads and SmartMedia slower > for sustained writes. Do you know where I could find a good comparison > between them? SmartMedia : - typ. byte READ rate : 10µsec/512 + 50nsec = 70 nsec (14MB/sec) - typ. byte PROG rate : 250µsec/512 + 50nsec = 540 nsec (1.8MB/sec) - typ. byte ERASE rate : 2msec/16kbyte = 120nsec - typ. byte PROG/ERASE rate : 540nsec + 120nsec = 660nsec (1.5MB/sec) CompactFlash : - typ. rate : 250nsec/word + PCMCIA/ATA bottle necks = 1.5MB/sec (660nsec/byte) ******************************************************************************* Example : 8 playback + 1 recording stereo channels @ 48khz/16bit SmartMedia : - 32 READ bytes*70nsec + 4 RECORD bytes*660nsec = 4.9µsec*48khz = 24% => PASS CompactFlash : - 36 bytes*660nsec = 23.8µsec*48khz = 114% => CRASH ! God saves PC industry compatibility ... Thanks God I do not believe in God Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 06:41:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA07502; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 06:38:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 06:38:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <398D3FDE.667E@club-internet.fr> Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 12:37:18 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re : Loopers-Delight.com! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0w29-D.A.l0B.H_Tj5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, How long will still work the old URL and mails ? Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 06:58:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA07816; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 06:57:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 06:57:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 03:54:27 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re : Loopers-Delight.com! In-reply-to: <398D3FDE.667E@club-internet.fr> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <7irk3D.A.34B._RUj5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:37 AM -0700 8/6/00, PERILLE wrote: >Kim, > >How long will still work the old URL and mails ? > >Emmanuel The old web site is being set to redirect to the new site. The old list addresses will forward to the new addresses for the forseeable future. However, if you have links out there and such, please update them when you get a chance. all of the domains are running on my own server, so none of them are in danger of vanishing any time soon. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 07:07:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA08036; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:05:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:05:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <398D4675.1B3C@club-internet.fr> Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 13:05:25 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re : Loopers-Delight.com! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The old web site is being set to redirect to the new site. The old list > addresses will forward to the new addresses for the forseeable future. > However, if you have links out there and such, please update them when you > get a chance. > > all of the domains are running on my own server, so none of them are in > danger of vanishing any time soon. > > kim > YOOUUPIII ! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 14:05:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11184; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 14:03:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 14:03:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.11.2.20000806121848.03125008@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.0.11 (Beta) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 12:58:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Damon, Why CF ? In-Reply-To: <398D3D86.42BC@club-internet.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8ndV2C.A.htC.Vgaj5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PERILLE (05:27 AM 08.06.2000) wrote: >Example : 8 playback + 1 recording stereo channels @ 48khz/16bit > >SmartMedia : >- 32 READ bytes*70nsec + 4 RECORD bytes*660nsec = 4.9µsec*48khz = 24% => >PASS > >CompactFlash : >- 36 bytes*660nsec = 23.8µsec*48khz = 114% => CRASH ! Am I correct in seeing you outline a total of 9 stereo tracks here? Repeater is obviously laid out as a 4 track machine which we're _assuming_ to be 4 stereo tracks. I don't think that Damon has said anything about sample rate, but I would be more likely to assume 44.1khz over 48khz. I personally have an easier time looking at the situation by defining the data quantity first and then looking at the bandwidth required. In doing so, I come up with: 1 sample * 16bits/sample = 2 bytes/sample 2 channels/track = 4 bytes/sample/track 4 stereo tracks = 16 bytes/sample total 16 bytes/sample * 44100 samples per second = 705600 bytes/second - or - 16 bytes/sample * 48000 samples per second = 768000 bytes/second Then, working from your numbers of: - typ. rate : 250nsec/word + PCMCIA/ATA bottle necks = 1.5MB/sec (660nsec/byte) It seems that at "full load" Repeater would be running the media at less than 1/2 of it's potential throughput. I fully admit that I may be missing something... Please correct me if I'm wrong. Do you happen to have a URL for a CF or SM manufacturer with these throughput numbers published? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 14:17:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11585; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 14:16:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 14:16:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.11.2.20000806121848.03125008@mail.redmoon-music.com> References: <5.0.0.11.2.20000806121848.03125008@mail.redmoon-music.com> Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 11:14:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Damon, Why CF ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:58 PM -0500 8/6/00, Mark Pulver wrote: >Repeater is obviously laid out as a 4 track machine which we're >_assuming_ to be 4 stereo tracks. I don't think that Damon has said >anything about sample rate, but I would be more likely to assume >44.1khz over 48khz. Actually, it looks to me like four mono tracks, or two stereo tracks. It's a little hard to tell in the sort of blurry front panel rendering, but it looks to me like pressing track buttons 1 & 2 together links them as a stereo pair (the same with tracks 3 & 4). Chris _________________________________________________________ The optimist sees a glass half full... | Chris Muir The pessimist sees a glass half empty... | cbm@well.com The realist sees a glass twice as big as it needs to be. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 14:25:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11856; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 14:24:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 14:24:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.11.2.20000806131601.00aa2428@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.0.11 (Beta) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 13:20:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Damon, Why CF ? In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.11.2.20000806121848.03125008@mail.redmoon-music.com> <5.0.0.11.2.20000806121848.03125008@mail.redmoon-music.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chris Muir (01:14 PM 08.06.2000) wrote: >At 12:58 PM -0500 8/6/00, Mark Pulver wrote: >>Repeater is obviously laid out as a 4 track machine which we're _assuming_ >>to be 4 stereo tracks. I don't think that Damon has said anything about >>sample rate, but I would be more likely to assume 44.1khz over 48khz. > >Actually, it looks to me like four mono tracks, or two stereo tracks. It's >a little hard to tell in the sort of blurry front panel rendering, but it >looks to me like pressing track buttons 1 & 2 together links them as a >stereo pair (the same with tracks 3 & 4). Good point... Especially with the back panel showing direct out's for 1-4, unless they're stereo jacks. :) I was doing some hopeful thinking, then factoring in that the unit obviously sees L&R in and then pondering as to why in this day and age of inexpensive DSP power would someone make a 4 track mono/2 track stereo recorder? :) Thanks Chris. I guess we'll see! Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 14:52:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12302; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 14:51:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 14:51:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 11:58:17 -0700 Subject: Re: Kim, some questions..... From: Kevin To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000806051051.1800.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3048407898_779164_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3048407898_779164_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi John: We are not connected with Gibson, just fans of the original Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro. From our perspective, the reason you aren't seeing advertising for the "reintroduced" Gibson Echoplex is because the roll-out has been, ahem, bumpy. This is just our perspective, but bear with us for anecdotal evidence. We ordered and received one of the first of the new batch of Gibson Echoplex Digital Pros. It turned on just twice and ran for about ten minutes before the power supply went south. We sent it back to Gibson for repair, asking that they look at the power supply. It came back two weeks later with a changed fuse, and nothing else done. It promptly refused to turn-on. At this point, we sent it back to the dealer with the promise that we would be one of the first to receive one of the next batch to arrive from Gibson's supplier, Trace Elliot in England. We waited, and waited, and waited...finally, a month or so ago, we got tired of waiting. We were told no one knew if and when Echoplex's would appear again in the USA. Would we like our old one back, this time with a properly repaired power supply? Grudgingly, and because we love M. Grobb's work of genius, we agreed. We got it back two weeks ago. Power supply worked, but now there were digital nastys that crackled with every loop. We sent it back again. Stay tuned. We offer this as a real world case of what's going on with Gibson's "reintroduction" of what was a brilliant and relatively road worthy piece of equipment when produced under the original management at Oberheim. (Yes, we bought an original Oberheim Echoplex in 1997, it wasn't perfect but worked as advertised and it was amazing!) As for the Gibson Echoplex...advertising? To paraphrase...they don't need no stinkin' advertising because what the hell is there to advertise? There's no product, and we suspect that there are still, ahem, a lot of bugs to be worked out in getting there manufacturing act together with Trace Elliot, or there has been a change in corporate strategy. If someone with more knowledge about what's going on with Gibson and the Echoplex has evidence to the contrary, please post. We'd love to stand corrected and we'd love to have, after forking out our dough, (and all the UPS shipping bills for repairs,) a genuine, operable, musical, quiet, functioning Gibson Echoplex! (You know, kinda like the original Oberheim!) There are some other interesting if less sophisticated loopers out there, and hopefully more sophisticated loopers on the horizon. We hope Gibson gets their act together, but I think you can understand why we are rooting, strongly, for some good solid competition. Also, we hope the original Echoplex Digital Development team will offer a pc and Mac "plug-in" soon, since we have confidence in the software, it's just this darned Gibson hardware that's giving us hiccups. Best, Roctologists (AKA LoOpdOctors) --MS_Mac_OE_3048407898_779164_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Kim, some questions..... Hi John:

We are not connected with Gibson, just fans of the original Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro.  From our perspective, the reason you aren't see= ing advertising for the "reintroduced" Gibson Echoplex is because = the roll-out has been, ahem, bumpy.   This is just our perspective= , but bear with us for anecdotal evidence.

We ordered and received one of the first of the new batch of Gibson Echople= x  Digital Pros.  It turned on just twice and ran for about ten mi= nutes before the power supply went south.  We sent it back to Gibson fo= r repair, asking that they look at the power supply.  It came back two = weeks later with a changed fuse, and nothing else done.   It promp= tly refused to turn-on.  At this point, we sent it back to the dealer w= ith the promise that we would be one of the first to receive one of the next= batch to arrive from Gibson's supplier, Trace Elliot in England.  We w= aited, and waited, and waited...finally, a month or so ago, we got tired of = waiting.  We were told no one knew if and when Echoplex's would appear = again in the USA.  Would we like our old one back, this time with a pro= perly repaired power supply?  Grudgingly, and because we love M. Grobb'= s work of genius, we agreed.  

We got it back two weeks ago.  Power supply worked, but now there were= digital nastys that crackled with every loop.  We sent it back again. =  Stay tuned.

We offer this as a real world case of what's going on with Gibson's "r= eintroduction" of what was a brilliant and relatively road worthy piece= of equipment when produced under the original management at Oberheim.  = ;(Yes, we bought an original Oberheim Echoplex in 1997, it wasn't perfect bu= t worked as advertised and it was amazing!)  As for the Gibson Echoplex= ...advertising?  To paraphrase...they don't need no stinkin' advertisin= g because what the hell is there to advertise?  There's no product, and= we suspect that there are still, ahem, a lot of bugs to be worked out in ge= tting there manufacturing act together with Trace Elliot, or there has been = a change in corporate strategy.  If someone with more knowledge about w= hat's going on with Gibson and the Echoplex  has evidence to the contra= ry, please post.  We'd love to stand corrected and we'd love to have, a= fter forking out our dough, (and all the UPS shipping bills for repairs,) a = genuine, operable, musical, quiet, functioning Gibson Echoplex! (You know, k= inda like the original Oberheim!)

There are some other interesting if less sophisticated loopers out there, a= nd hopefully more sophisticated loopers on the horizon.  We hope Gibson= gets their act together, but I think you can understand why we are rooting,= strongly, for some good solid competition.  Also, we hope the original= Echoplex Digital Development team will offer a pc and Mac "plug-in&quo= t; soon, since we have confidence in the software, it's just this darned Gib= son hardware that's giving us hiccups.

Best,
Roctologists (AKA LoOpdOctors)





--MS_Mac_OE_3048407898_779164_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 19:09:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14769; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 19:08:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 19:08:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000806230736.44193.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.171.220.23] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex=crap for dummies Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 01:07:36 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's almost 4 years that you all guys are pathetically talking about this shitty box!!! Can you stop it? Do you understand Gibson doesn't give a .... for our "miserable" looping passion, since it's just a poor marketing issue for them. At least Lexicon was correct and frank when they dropped their Jamman, too little of a market for it those days, even though they didn't realize how to set up a market for a looping device. Start to be more proud of yourself....off Gibson!!! Let's be real! Let's talk about the units we NOW HAVE, TCs, Eventides, Lexicons, Kyma and welcome Repeater...Let's talk about serious techniques for looping, pre & post processing them and more...stop this miserable crap about "poor us...we don't have EDPs anymore...how can we go on looping???" FUCK GIBSON!!! They are selling you shitty harware and miserable software...get a computer and start looping seriously... Stop crying!!! Stand up and make the best we can with what we have and try to get some more sensitive builder listening to our needs... Start writing to Scott Gilfix at Eventide (scottg@eventide.com) to have properly designed software for looping into their outstanding boxes, come ON!!! Fed up with this poor old ladies junk talk be MODERN!!! ITALO ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 19:28:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15255; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 19:27:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 19:27:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <398DF0F3.76FB11E4@home.com> Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 16:12:52 -0700 From: Damon Langlois Reply-To: damon-langlois@home.com Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05C-AtHome0403 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: CompactFlash VS SmartMedia References: <200008060513.BAA03414@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >At 5:55 AM -0700 8/5/00, PERILLE wrote: >Repeater works with CompactFlash ? > >But why not Smartmedia which is 5 times faster and much more communly >used with japaneese samplers now ? For some reason I never got this original message. Oh well... We chose Compact Flash for a number of reasons. For one it is more beer proof that Smartmedia. It's memory capacity is also ever growing. The largest card of CompactFlash type II is now at 300 MB. Smart media has toped out at 64 MB. check out http://www.sandisk.com/support/main_technical_support.html. SanDisk is putting more investment in this format making new versions that are faster and larger. Plus we have a few secret reasons :p. Kim, you should be able to get all the specs you need on CompactFlash VS SmartMedia on the Sandisk site http://www.sandisk.com . >Smartmedia sockets availability I suppose ? > >Our world is lead by the japaneese industry anyway ... >...and the PC industry where I work. To me this means we not bother with >storage media for each device. Musical instruments last a long time for the >rapidly evolving storage media - whatever you use will be obsolete and gone >long before the instrument. Instead look towards communication >interfaces.....maybe bluetooth or 802.11...everything in your studio could >simply transmit wirelessly to your laptop or PDA... That would be sooooo nice. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 19:28:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15102; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 19:26:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 19:26:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701bffffb$27baf020$c7cd44c6@oemcomputer> From: "Gary Turner" To: References: <20000806230736.44193.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Echoplex=crap for dummies Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 18:07:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know whether to kiss my pds-8000 or storm the gates of Gibson with a machine gun. ----- Original Message ----- From: italo de angelis To: Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 8:07 PM Subject: Echoplex=crap for dummies > It's almost 4 years that you all guys are pathetically talking about this > shitty box!!! Can you stop it? Do you understand Gibson doesn't give a .... > for our "miserable" looping passion, since it's just a poor marketing issue > for them. At least Lexicon was correct and frank when they dropped their > Jamman, too little of a market for it those days, even though they didn't > realize how to set up a market for a looping device. > Start to be more proud of yourself....off Gibson!!! Let's be real! Let's > talk about the units we NOW HAVE, TCs, Eventides, Lexicons, Kyma and welcome > Repeater...Let's talk about serious techniques for looping, pre & post > processing them and more...stop this miserable crap about "poor us...we > don't have EDPs anymore...how can we go on looping???" FUCK GIBSON!!! They > are selling you shitty harware and miserable software...get a computer and > start looping seriously... > Stop crying!!! Stand up and make the best we can with what we have and try > to get some more sensitive builder listening to our needs... > Start writing to Scott Gilfix at Eventide (scottg@eventide.com) to have > properly designed software for looping into their outstanding boxes, come > ON!!! Fed up with this poor old ladies junk talk be MODERN!!! > ITALO > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 20:19:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16054; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 20:18:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 20:18:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000806202229.007bc990@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 20:22:29 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Echoplex=crap for dummies In-Reply-To: <20000806230736.44193.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:07 AM 8/7/00 CEST, you wrote: >...shitty harware and miserable software... So, this guy walks into this really crowded hole-in-the-wall biker bar, pulls the plug on the jukebox, elbows a couple of burly, tattooed fellows aside and climbs up onto the pool table. When he's sure all eyes are on him, and he's completely surrounded by particularly mean-looking motorcycle afficionados, he tips his head back and shouts "HARLEY-DAVIDSONS SUCK AND YOUR OLD LADIES ARE UGLY SKANKS!!!" And then guess what happened... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 21:25:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16884; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:24:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:24:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c00005$95fd0f00$e6a46dcb@tb> From: "trevor" To: Subject: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:21:56 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C00059.508BC340" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C00059.508BC340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I tend to agree with him I would dearly love to own a looping tool with the potential of the = echolplex, in fact I have been hanging out for years. I have had a couple of edps on trial but they haver NEVER been in full = working order. always crashing , creating nasty digital artifacts and = the price in australian dollars $2000 for the box and $1000 for the = pedal which translates to about us$1800, a joke!, right?! So, what gives? If I wanted a working edp, where do I get it? Will there be support, it = sound like it is inevitable that some thing goes wrong. The repeater sounds like an affordable solution. ps : are there any australian loopers on the list? your all invited to=20 La Bar 291 Oxford St. Sept 29 8.30-11.30 Featuring Edwina Blush Vocals Trevor Brown Guitar, Bazouki, Flute, Saxophones, electronics with Jodi Martin & Liz Frencham sublime harmonies , dobro and DBass. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C00059.508BC340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I tend to agree with = him
 
I would dearly love to own a looping = tool with=20 the potential of the echolplex, in fact I have been hanging out for=20 years.
I have had a couple of edps on trial = but they=20 haver NEVER been in full working order. always crashing , creating nasty = digital=20 artifacts and the price in australian dollars $2000 for the box and = $1000 for=20 the pedal which translates to about us$1800, a joke!, = right?!
So, what gives?
If I wanted a working edp, where do = I get it?=20 Will there be support, it sound like it is inevitable that some thing = goes=20 wrong.
 
The repeater sounds like an = affordable=20 solution.
 
ps : are there any australian = loopers on the=20 list? your all invited to
 
La Bar 291 Oxford St.
Sept 29 8.30-11.30
Featuring
 
Edwina Blush   =20 Vocals
 
Trevor Brown    = Guitar, Bazouki,=20 Flute, Saxophones, electronics
 
with
 
Jodi Martin & Liz Frencham
sublime harmonies , dobro and=20 DBass.
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C00059.508BC340-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 21:43:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17297; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:42:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:42:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c00010$aed75c00$6ef538cb@swoods> From: "stevenw" To: References: <001101c00005$95fd0f00$e6a46dcb@tb> Subject: Re: OZ gigs n FX Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:41:59 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C00064.7F5CED60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C00064.7F5CED60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any other gigs planned in Australia? are you from New South Wales? = =20 I understand how you feel about the effects, also the prices we pay are = ridiculous. I like people talking about Eventide Orville, TC Electronic and Lexicon = but living in Australia I know I will never afford or be able to justify = an Eventide. Just as well as Eventide will never do well here any way. Steven ----- Original Message -----=20 From: trevor=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 10:21 AM I tend to agree with him =20 I would dearly love to own a looping tool with the potential of the = echolplex, in fact I have been hanging out for years. I have had a couple of edps on trial but they haver NEVER been in full = working order. always crashing , creating nasty digital artifacts and = the price in australian dollars $2000 for the box and $1000 for the = pedal which translates to about us$1800, a joke!, right?! So, what gives? If I wanted a working edp, where do I get it? Will there be support, = it sound like it is inevitable that some thing goes wrong. =20 The repeater sounds like an affordable solution. =20 ps : are there any australian loopers on the list? your all invited to = =20 La Bar 291 Oxford St. Sept 29 8.30-11.30 Featuring =20 Edwina Blush Vocals Trevor Brown Guitar, Bazouki, Flute, Saxophones, electronics =20 with =20 Jodi Martin & Liz Frencham sublime harmonies , dobro and DBass. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C00064.7F5CED60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Any other gigs planned in=20 Australia?       are you from New South=20 Wales?  
I understand how you feel about the = effects, also=20 the prices we pay are ridiculous.
I like people talking about Eventide = Orville, TC=20 Electronic and Lexicon but living in Australia I know I will never = afford or be=20 able to justify an Eventide.
Just as well as Eventide will never do = well here=20 any way.
Steven
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 trevor
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 = 10:21=20 AM

I tend to agree with = him
 
I would dearly love to own a = looping tool with=20 the potential of the echolplex, in fact I have been hanging out for=20 years.
I have had a couple of edps on = trial but they=20 haver NEVER been in full working order. always crashing , creating = nasty=20 digital artifacts and the price in australian dollars $2000 for the = box and=20 $1000 for the pedal which translates to about us$1800, a joke!,=20 right?!
So, what gives?
If I wanted a working edp, where = do I get it?=20 Will there be support, it sound like it is inevitable that some thing = goes=20 wrong.
 
The repeater sounds like an = affordable=20 solution.
 
ps : are there any australian = loopers on the=20 list? your all invited to
 
La Bar 291 Oxford St.
Sept 29 8.30-11.30
Featuring
 
Edwina Blush   =20 Vocals
 
Trevor Brown    = Guitar,=20 Bazouki, Flute, Saxophones, electronics
 
with
 
Jodi Martin & Liz Frencham
sublime harmonies , dobro and=20 DBass.
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C00064.7F5CED60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 21:57:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17570; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:55:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:55:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004901c00012$448d5be0$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> From: "BC" To: Subject: EDP self-QA tips? Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 18:53:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01BFFFD7.97E238A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <7Q8YWB.A.HSE.Lchj5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01BFFFD7.97E238A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Despite Italo's no-doubt excellent advice to divorce my wife, sell the = car, forget the kid's braces and spend 4 years making payments on an = Orville, I have chosen to finally abandon my trusty JamMan's and get an = EDP (never thought this would look like voluntary simplicity to anybody, = haha). My 'stock' JamMan is on e-bay now. The Sellon mod version goes = next. Despite loving these units, I'm terminally curious about the EDP = and also feeling that I would prefer to have an in-production standard = model looper that doesn't leave me without vendor or community support = downstream. Later the Repeater may very well be the answer to all that, = but that sounds like many months away at least.=20 Its clear from comments here that EDP's don't all work correctly right = out of the box, so I'm wondering if there are a series of test's I can = perform to give me warm fuzzies that the thing is in working order. I = guess on one level, the answer is just read the manual and use it, but = if my previous track record is any clue, I may be awhile getting down to = the fine print. Any tips on what kinds of quick EDP tests to perform to get a general = sense that I haven't received a lemon? thanks, Bob ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01BFFFD7.97E238A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Despite Italo's  no-doubt excellent advice to divorce my wife, = sell the=20 car, forget the kid's braces and spend 4 years making payments on an = Orville, I=20 have chosen to finally abandon my trusty JamMan's and get an EDP (never = thought=20 this would look like voluntary simplicity to anybody, haha). My 'stock' = JamMan=20 is on e-bay now. The Sellon mod version goes next. Despite loving these = units,=20 I'm terminally curious about the EDP and also feeling that I would = prefer to=20 have an in-production standard model looper that doesn't leave me = without=20 vendor or community support downstream.  Later the Repeater may = very well=20 be the answer to all that, but that sounds like many months away at = least.

Its clear from comments here that EDP's don't all work correctly = right out of=20 the box, so I'm wondering if there are a series of test's I can perform = to give=20 me warm fuzzies that the thing is in working order. I guess on one = level, the=20 answer is just read the manual and use it, but if my previous track = record is=20 any clue, I may be awhile getting down to the fine print.

Any tips on what kinds of quick EDP tests to perform to get a general = sense=20 that I haven't received a lemon?

thanks,

Bob

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0046_01BFFFD7.97E238A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 22:18:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17921; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:16:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:16:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000806211509.00841510@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 21:15:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Kim, some questions..... In-Reply-To: References: <20000806051051.1800.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <7k-JyB.A.kXE.pvhj5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just a note to say that I have the Gibson Echoplex. Works great. No problems. I do wish they would redesign the foot pedal - the switches are a bit dainty for my taste. Probably buy another, soon. M. http://www.michaelclark.com .At 11:58 AM 8/6/00 -0700, you wrote:=20 >>>> Hi John: We are not connected with Gibson, just fans of the original Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro. From our perspective, the reason you aren't seeing advertising for the "reintroduced" Gibson Echoplex is because the roll-out has been, ahem, bumpy. This is just our perspective, but bear with us for anecdotal evidence.=20 We ordered and received one of the first of the new batch of Gibson Echoplex Digital Pros. It turned on just twice and ran for about ten minutes before the power supply went south. We sent it back to Gibson for repair, asking that they look at the power supply. It came back two weeks later with a changed fuse, and nothing else done. It promptly refused to turn-on. At this point, we sent it back to the dealer with the promise that we would be one of the first to receive one of the next batch to arrive from Gibson's supplier, Trace Elliot in England. We waited, and waited, and waited...finally, a month or so ago, we got tired of waiting. We were told no one knew if and when Echoplex's would appear again in the USA. Would we like our old one back, this time with a properly repaired power supply? Grudgingly, and because we love M. Grobb's work of genius, we agreed. =20 We got it back two weeks ago. Power supply worked, but now there were digital nastys that crackled with every loop. We sent it back again.=20 Stay tuned. We offer this as a real world case of what's going on with Gibson's "reintroduction" of what was a brilliant and relatively road worthy piece of equipment when produced under the original management at Oberheim.=20 (Yes, we bought an original Oberheim Echoplex in 1997, it wasn't perfect but worked as advertised and it was amazing!) As for the Gibson Echoplex...advertising? To paraphrase...they don't need no stinkin' advertising because what the hell is there to advertise? There's no product, and we suspect that there are still, ahem, a lot of bugs to be worked out in getting there manufacturing act together with Trace Elliot, or there has been a change in corporate strategy. If someone with more knowledge about what's going on with Gibson and the Echoplex has evidence to the contrary, please post. We'd love to stand corrected and we'd love to have, after forking out our dough, (and all the UPS shipping bills for repairs,) a genuine, operable, musical, quiet, functioning Gibson Echoplex! (You know, kinda like the original Oberheim!) There are some other interesting if less sophisticated loopers out there, and hopefully more sophisticated loopers on the horizon. We hope Gibson gets their act together, but I think you can understand why we are rooting, strongly, for some good solid competition. Also, we hope the original Echoplex Digital Development team will offer a pc and Mac "plug-in" soon, since we have confidence in the software, it's just this darned Gibson hardware that's giving us hiccups. Best, Roctologists (AKA LoOpdOctors) <<<<<<<< From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 22:33:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18321; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:32:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:32:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <34.8c98111.26bf7946@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:30:30 EDT Subject: Looking for David Torn cd... To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 65 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...with the Jan Gabarek Group, "It's OK to Listen to the Gray Voice" ECM records. Does anybody know about the K.D.Lang CD, "Drag," Torn played on? I'm not a big K.D.Lang fan, but he loops on a majority of the songs. Cheers, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 22:40:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18616; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:39:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:39:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: mhamburg@elroy Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34.8c98111.26bf7946@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 19:40:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Looking for David Torn cd... Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have you checked the ECM web site for the Garbarek disc? I've got a copy but I don't know whether it's still in print. I've also got the k.d. lang disc. It's an interesting album if you like lounge songs about smoking with nice, rather ambient arrangements. Torn loops but many of the loops are buried pretty deeply in the backgrounds. Mark At 7:30 PM -0700 8/6/00, Jhsidlo@aol.com wrote: >...with the Jan Gabarek Group, "It's OK to Listen to the Gray Voice" ECM >records. Does anybody know about the K.D.Lang CD, "Drag," Torn played on? I'm >not a big K.D.Lang fan, but he loops on a majority of the songs. > > Cheers, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 22:53:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18972; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:52:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:52:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 19:47:41 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Kim, some questions..... In-reply-to: <3.0.3.32.20000806211509.00841510@mail.airmail.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20000806051051.1800.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 7:15 PM -0700 8/6/00, Michael Clark wrote: >Just a note to say that I have the Gibson Echoplex. Works great. No >problems. I do wish they would redesign the foot pedal - the switches are >a bit dainty for my taste. Probably buy another, soon. we designed the echoplex so it is easy to make your own pedal: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 23:20:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19541; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:19:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:19:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 20:16:49 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Kim, some questions..... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com John- Despite Kevin and others unfounded conspiratorial tones, the answer to your questions about advertising is very simple. Gibson sells every echoplex they make. That has been true for years, and usually there are long backorder lists. There is no reason to pay for advertising campaigns when you already have more customers than you can handle. You could certainly argue that Gibson should produce more echoplexes. However, I think they already agree with that which is why they have devoted a lot of effort and money over the past 9 months to move the production to Trace-Elliot and ramp it up to a higher level. At 10:10 PM -0700 8/5/00, John Tidwell wrote: >Like a lot of other folks on the list, I'm looking >forward to seeing what the Electrix Repeater will do. > >Even though I don't currently own any Electrix equip- >ment, I'm well aware of their name thru advertisements >& product reviews. I'm quite sure I will be seeing >plenty of ads & reviews on the Repeater. Which brings >me to my questions... > >Why have I never seen an ad for the EDP? Advertisements for the echoplex were in various magazines when it first came out in 1994. Most of the major magazines did substantial reviews. (I never got permission to put those reviews on the LD pages despite some efforts, and those magazines never bothered to put the reviews online once they got their own websites. I think I'll put them up anyway.) Once the idea of the echoplex caught on a bit, there was never any reason to do more advertising. >It was only a >stroke of luck on my part that I received a catalog >from Thoroughbred Music some years ago that actually >contained a photo & description of the EDP. Even that is rare, since dealers usually move echoplexes very quickly. Not much reason to use a spot in the catalog for something that is already sold. >If not for >that, I would still be drawing on my memories of the >1970s when I heard the word "Echoplex". As a matter of >fact, I only became aware of "Loopers Delight" because >I had to web-search for ANY info on the EDP. Looper's Delight continues to grow, getting about 35-40,000 hits a week. About 45-50,000 different people come to the site every month. That easily compares to a lot of print publications for musicians. LD is hardly obscure, and the growth rate is accelerating. This is why I have had to move it on to its own server. If this site were the only place a product like the echoplex were ever discussed, it would still easily generate a lot of sales and enable a viable business. To me, this is a perfect example of how the internet changes things. The traditional, more expensive means of communicating about a product are superfluous. Little home-brew community sites like this are much more powerful. >Does Gibson intend to run any ads for the EDP. Will >we see any product reviews when the upgrade is finally >released? I assume they will resume ads once they have ramped the production up to where the demand is. That has always been their plan. They have produced some nice looking brochures that they had at NAMM, and presumably will be the basis for an ad campaign. I'm also aware of at least one major magazine doing a review of the echoplex for an upcoming issue, presumably that is the result of Gibson marketing folks pushing it again. It's pretty rare to get a review for something that has been on the market for 5 years. >I hate to think that the EDP might die >another slow death simply because people have to >subscribe to "Loopers Delight" to be aware of it. Interest in the Echoplex is certainly not dying! If anything, it is higher than ever. I think you have also dramatically underestimated how effective LD has been at bringing attention to Looping products such as the echoplex. This site alone generates hundreds of echoplex sales each year for Gibson, and there would be more if they made more. Same with other looping products. Line6 sold a lot more DL-4's than they expected because of us, and I'm sure Electrix will experience the same. As Gibson ramps up their production again, Looper's Delight will probably sell all of those too. You also rather mis-state things by saying "the EDP might die another slow death." It never died, it survived! The reason why the Echoplex is still in production today is due to the clamor and interest from people in this community. Divisions at Gibson were closed, moved, reopened, closed again. Entire staffs quit or got laid off or reassigned or whatever. Production was transported across a continent and then across an ocean. Gibson closed Oberheim because it was unprofitable, the products were not getting interest, and they couldn't make money on what did sell, with one exception: the EDP. The echoplex was kept alive through all of that chaos because Gibson believes in the product, and I don't see how anybody could deny that. It sells like mad, it makes money, and whenever they don't make enough of them, they never hear the end of it. Why wouldn't they believe in it? They've recently invested a lot of time and money in starting up the production again at Trace-Elliot. They've been training personnel and setting up customer service operations for it. They've revised designs, retooled factories, done their homework. That's a lot of commitment, and it's largely due to us. We moved that mountain. (And if you want to know how hard that is to do, ask the opcode user community. They could have learned a few lessons from us.) >Kim, I know you don't call the shots on how Gibson >spends their advertising dollars, but you're certainly >in a better position than I am to understand it. Thank you for taking the time to ask questions and try to learn what the actual situation is. Hopefully others here will learn from your example. Too often we have people throwing tantrums, making accusations, and creating rumors without anything to back it up. This sort of thing only hurts us as a community. Matthias and I (and I'm sure the other independent inventors here) put our lives, sweat, and savings into these crazy projects. If we don't succeed at what we do, we don't go on to do anything else, real simple. Trashing us and our work with nothing to base it on only hurts you and everybody else in the long run. >What gives? Hopefully this helps. Feel free to ask more questions if you like. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 23:22:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19676; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:21:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:21:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e601c0001e$969463a0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <34.8c98111.26bf7946@aol.com> Subject: Re: Looking for David Torn cd... Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:21:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <6-UIv.A.7xE.Usij5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Drag" is a terrific album, but if you're not really familiar with k.d. lang, it's not the best place to start; being a collection of cover songs with the common theme of Nicotine Addiction As A Metaphor For Love, it's a bit of a rough introduction to Lang's strange little world. Get "Ingenue" instead (although Torn's not on that one). DT's contributions on "Drag" are very subtle. He does some nice work on the intro and outro of "The Air That I Breathe," but most of his playing is buried in the mix, probably for the best; I'm not sure how his usual, less-restrained style would have worked with this type of music. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 10:30 PM Subject: Looking for David Torn cd... > ...with the Jan Gabarek Group, "It's OK to Listen to the Gray Voice" ECM > records. Does anybody know about the K.D.Lang CD, "Drag," Torn played on? I'm > not a big K.D.Lang fan, but he loops on a majority of the songs. > > Cheers, James > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 23:25:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20014; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:24:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:24:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 20:20:52 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP self-QA tips? In-reply-to: <004901c00012$448d5be0$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:53 PM -0700 8/6/00, BC wrote: > >Its clear from comments here that EDP's don't all work correctly right out >of the box, Be careful about being misled on that. Nobody writes to a mailing list everyday and says, "Hi, everything is perfect today!" Since you often only hear from people having problems, it is easy to get the impression that everybody is having problems. That isn't the case. The unfortunate situation here is, Gibson has a brand new production line making Echoplexes. When the very first units came out of there, naturally people on the Looper's Delight list were first in line. And naturally, those first ones off the line are the ones most likely to have something wrong as the kinks are worked out of the system. And sure enough, some of the first few units out had some assembly problem and got sold to people that way. That sucks, but Gibson did jump in and put effort into fixing the production process as soon as they realized it. Subsequent units made did not have any problems so far as I know. Gibson has also been quite diligent in fixing the units for people who got bad ones. Mostly I've heard people are satisfied with things, but there are probably some who are not. Naturally, they are the ones who will post about it. :-) >so I'm wondering if there are a series of test's I can >perform to give me warm fuzzies that the thing is in working order. I >guess on one level, the answer is just read the manual and use it, but if >my previous track record is any clue, I may be awhile getting down to the >fine print. > >Any tips on what kinds of quick EDP tests to perform to get a general >sense that I haven't received a lemon? Probably just using it you would know pretty quickly. I don't think you have to worry much. The guys at Trace-Elliot run a quality operation and I believe they have sorted out all of the problems they had. I'm sure they learned a few lessons along the way. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 23:42:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20481; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:41:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:41:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014e01c00020$ab211780$7e3d5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #176 Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:34:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/29 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #176 August 3, 2000. On this show, I began a month-long focus on space music pioneer Michael Stearns. The feature CD at Midnight was "Ancient Leaves" on the Groove Unlimited label. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm VA [Ron Boots] Twisted Tales A Groove Selection (Groove) Dom F. Scab Sigrid in the Opal City Innerseed (Free Records) VA [Foreign Spaces] Phaeton 3/Alternate Utopia Gift (Invisible Shadows) Ian Boddy & Chris Carter Concussed Caged (DiN) DAC Crowell Particulate Nebula Darkness and Depth (Aerodyne Works) Exuviae Right as Rain Echoes in the Emptiness (Green House) Steve Roach Ancestors Circle Midnight Moon (Projekt) 12:00 am Michael Stearns Ancient Leaves Ancient Leaves (Groove) Michael Stearns Elysian E Ancient Leaves (Groove) Steve Roach & Jorge Reyes Gone from Here Vine, Bark & Spore (Projekt) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Michael Sterans. The feature CD at midnight will be the space music classic, "Planetary Unfolding." Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 23:51:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20708; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:50:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:50:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009401c00022$44c7b280$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> From: "BC" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP built at T/E ? (was EDP self-QA tips) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 20:47:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kim writes: >it is easy to get the impression that > everybody is having problems. That isn't the case. thanks. I admit I was getting a little spooked by a few recent posts. (paraphrasing:) "Manned Mars mission aborted after EDP glitch" "Trailer Park fire blamed on looper's EDP" "Cure to cancer lost forever because of bug in EDP Undo programming" >Trace-Elliot great to hear they have a good reputation. I wonder if units currently in the distribution pipeline are likely to have been built there. Any way to tell? Serial #'s, perhaps? Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 01:05:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21570; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:03:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:03:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:09:57 -0700 Subject: Re: Kim, some questions..... From: Kevin To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kim: Colorful calling it "conspiracy," but plain old Murphy's Law will do. Best, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 01:20:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21850; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:18:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:18:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <398E4308.CB5D9B10@home.com> Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:03:06 -0700 From: Damon Langlois Reply-To: damon-langlois@home.com Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05C-AtHome0403 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cubase "pops" References: <200008070125.VAA17008@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On a totally different note...If anyone is familiar with Cubase (Mac) I need a tip on how to get rid of those occasional tiny "pops" that I can't seem to get rid of grrrrrr. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 02:54:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22763; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 02:53:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 02:53:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000807065156.515.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:51:56 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Kim, some questions..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Kim. I'm sorry if I came off a bit pessimistic, but I'm sure you can understand my fear of seeing a good product going down the tubes because of the big-shots dropping the ball. We've all seen that happen. I am reassured by your response, but maybe not totally convinced. I can't help but think that even Coca-Cola advertises,(not to mention Gibson guitars). But, as you said, maybe we're just not to that point of their strategic plan yet. I suppose it would be a daunting task to come up with an ad that would do justice to the EDP. I've found myself stumbling for words when trying to describe it to others. "It's a delay, it's a sampler, it's an effect, it's an instrument unto itself, it's a band mate & practice buddy. Dagnabit, it's a looper!" It is one of the smartest purchases I've ever made. In short, I'm a greedy consumer who wants the stars to align just right, so that one day, you & Matthias get a shot at "Echoplex-The Next Generation". By the way, in spite of its age, I would think that the,(soon to be released?), EDP software upgrade would warrant a new review from the major publications. Yes? With regards, John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 03:01:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23062; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 02:59:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 02:59:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 23:55:48 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP built at T/E ? (was EDP self-QA tips) In-reply-to: <009401c00022$44c7b280$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:47 PM -0700 8/6/00, BC wrote: > >>Trace-Elliot > >great to hear they have a good reputation. > >I wonder if units currently in the distribution pipeline are likely to have >been built there. Any way to tell? Serial #'s, perhaps? The Trace Elliot ones all say "Gibson" on the front instead of "Oberheim". You won't find anything else new, the Oberheim ones sold out a long time ago. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 03:48:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23569; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 03:47:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 03:47:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 00:41:27 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Kim, some questions..... In-reply-to: <20000807065156.515.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:51 PM -0700 8/6/00, John Tidwell wrote: >I am reassured by your response, but maybe not >totally convinced. I can't help but think that even >Coca-Cola advertises,(not to mention Gibson guitars). >But, as you said, maybe we're just not to that point >of their strategic plan yet. I think coke probably has an unlimited supply of sugar and water to mix together. :-) So advertising makes sense for them to increase sales and imprint their brand into every human brain on earth. Anyway, what else would they do with all the money? After the "new coke" fiasco, they certainly aren't spending it on R&D. Gibson just needs to make more echoplexes to increase sales, they have no shortage of customers. >By the way, in spite of its age, I would think that >the,(soon to be released?), EDP software upgrade would >warrant a new review from the major publications. Yes? I would hope so. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 03:52:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23752; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 03:51:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 03:51:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 03:51:08 EDT Subject: Re: midi foot contoller To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: <9CDXS.A.wyF.Lqmj5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 7/25/00 10:01:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pvallad1@tampabay.rr.com writes: << >> Paolo, Hey man, have you tried out Chuck Levin's ... http://www.wmcworld.com ? They've come through for me on a few hard to find items. As for the Rocktron All Access, I've been having quite a bit of success with mine after many an email to Kim and several other people on this list and a few others. Big thing with these foot controllers is that you'll want to spend the extra bucks on getting a hold of the expression pedals. Really am digging the fade in's and outs which the All Access is able to do. Tap on, loop extended, gliss out, LeeohkinoWired. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 03:57:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23982; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 03:54:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 03:54:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 00:44:19 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex=crap for dummies In-reply-to: <20000806230736.44193.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:07 PM -0700 8/6/00, italo de angelis wrote: >It's almost 4 years that you all guys are pathetically talking about this >shitty box!!! Can you stop it? if people keep talking about it so much there must be some reason. Have you ever used one? >Do you understand Gibson doesn't give a .... >for our "miserable" looping passion, since it's just a poor marketing issue >for them. That must be why they've recently invested so much money in it. >At least Lexicon was correct and frank when they dropped their >Jamman, too little of a market for it those days, even though they didn't >realize how to set up a market for a looping device. Lexicon did not know how to manage manufacturing for low-cost, higher volume products. They screwed that up badly and lost a lot of money because of it. Jamman wasn't the only victim, but probably the most notorious. Vortex and probably Alex were in there too. I think they sold something like 8-10,000 jammans, which is pretty good for a musical instrument product. Most would call that a success. If they had managed the production better and forcasted it right jamman would probably still be in production. Well, maybe not, Harman hosed lexicon pretty bad.... >Start to be more proud of yourself....off Gibson!!! Let's be real! Let's >talk about the units we NOW HAVE, TCs, Eventides, Lexicons, Kyma and welcome >Repeater... not everybody is as rich as you, apparently. The echoplex is still in production, as is the boomerang, dl-4, etc. The devices you keep bringing up actually have quite limited looping feature sets and don't even have some of the fundamental features that were innovated on things like the echoplex and jamman. None of them have anything remotely like the more advanced stuff in the echoplex. (well, we don't know about the repeater yet.) >Let's talk about serious techniques for looping, pre & post >processing them and more...stop this miserable crap about "poor us...we >don't have EDPs anymore...how can we go on looping???" FUCK GIBSON!!! They >are selling you shitty harware and miserable software...get a computer and >start looping seriously... I've never heard of any computer software that substitutes for an echoplex. Perhaps you could suggest something? >Stop crying!!! Stand up and make the best we can with what we have and try >to get some more sensitive builder listening to our needs... That's not very accurate. The echoplex designers have been here communicating with people for years. As have other manufacturers. It seems to me they are listening to people, that's why the products continue to exist. Eventide has never been here, although they seem like nice guys. TC has lurked sometimes, but they never participate. Lexicon used to be here, but they have all been fired or quit. >Start writing to Scott Gilfix at Eventide (scottg@eventide.com) to have >properly designed software for looping into their outstanding boxes, come >ON!!! Fed up with this poor old ladies junk talk be MODERN!!! >ITALO I talked to Scott at length about looping on Orville. It's an amazing box for signal processing, but you may be interested to know that it has fundamental architecture limitations that prevent it from doing many of the basic functions of the Echoplex. (as I understood it.) It doesn't do the stuff that is time based and revolves around direct access to the data. No multiply, no insert, no multiple loops and related functions, no multiple undo's, limited sync possibilities, etc. It has "sampler mode" and "looper mode" but can't do the interesting stuff that combines the two concepts. If you want tons of signal processing power and great algorithms, and you want to use those in conjunction with basic looping functions (and you have a spare $6000 or whatever it costs) it seems like a pretty good choice. Can it replace an echoplex? or even a jamman? no. it's a different beast. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 04:08:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA24375; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 04:06:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 04:06:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 01:02:07 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Damon, Why CF ? In-reply-to: <5.0.0.11.2.20000806121848.03125008@mail.redmoon-music.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <398D3D86.42BC@club-internet.fr> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id EAA24326 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:58 AM -0700 8/6/00, Mark Pulver wrote: >PERILLE (05:27 AM 08.06.2000) wrote: > > >Example : 8 playback + 1 recording stereo channels @ 48khz/16bit > > > >SmartMedia : > >- 32 READ bytes*70nsec + 4 RECORD bytes*660nsec = 4.9µsec*48khz = 24% => > >PASS > > > >CompactFlash : > >- 36 bytes*660nsec = 23.8µsec*48khz = 114% => CRASH ! > >Am I correct in seeing you outline a total of 9 stereo tracks here? > >Repeater is obviously laid out as a 4 track machine which we're _assuming_ >to be 4 stereo tracks. I don't think that Damon has said anything about >sample rate, but I would be more likely to assume 44.1khz over 48khz. remember that a looper needs to be able to read and write simultaneusly for all of its channels. You need to be able to playback while you record/overdub new stuff. That doubles the bandwidth... >Chris Muir (01:14 PM 08.06.2000) wrote: > > >At 12:58 PM -0500 8/6/00, Mark Pulver wrote: > >>Repeater is obviously laid out as a 4 track machine which we're _assuming_ > >>to be 4 stereo tracks. I don't think that Damon has said anything about > >>sample rate, but I would be more likely to assume 44.1khz over 48khz. > > > >Actually, it looks to me like four mono tracks, or two stereo tracks. It's > >a little hard to tell in the sort of blurry front panel rendering, but >it >looks to me like pressing track buttons 1 & 2 together links them as a > >stereo pair (the same with tracks 3 & 4). > >Good point... Especially with the back panel showing direct out's for 1-4, >unless they're stereo jacks. :) > >I was doing some hopeful thinking, then factoring in that the unit >obviously sees L&R in and then pondering as to why in this day and age of >inexpensive DSP power would someone make a 4 track mono/2 track stereo >recorder? :) it is more than DSP power. (most loop functions do not really use dsp at all.) For every track you need in and out jacks, panel space, buffer amps, ADC's and DAC's, i/o channels to the convertors, etc. You need knobs and buttons and displays to allow the user to control each channel in performance. All of that costs money. Beyond that is the question of how to design a useable and intuitive interface for multitrack looping. That can be quite complicated if you want any interesting featues for interacting between loops, and the problem multiplies as you add channels. You can easily end up with an incomprehensible array of knobs and switches on your 12 rack space front panel. It can do anything but nobody can remember how to use it... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 04:16:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA24619; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 04:15:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 04:15:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Echoplex=crap for dummies Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:14:55 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I gotta say that Kim shows off a reptilian cool here with Italo (talk about flames!). You Kim are an iceberg of incomprefuckhensible proportions! I would have lost my cool right off the bat. But not Kim. Congrats, Kim. You're a gentleman and a scholar. Not at all bad for a shorty. Hmm... Maybe Italo would benefit from a video explaining and demostrating all the great features of the Echoplex. I'm sure that would shut him up. J. | -----Original Message----- | From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] | Sent: Monday 07 August 2000 12:44 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: Re: Echoplex=crap for dummies | | | At 6:07 PM -0700 8/6/00, italo de angelis wrote: | >It's almost 4 years that you all guys are pathetically talking | about this | >shitty box!!! Can you stop it? | ... | >Start writing to Scott Gilfix at Eventide (scottg@eventide.com) to have | >properly designed software for looping into their outstanding | boxes, come | >ON!!! Fed up with this poor old ladies junk talk be MODERN!!! | >ITALO | | I talked to Scott at length about looping on Orville. It's an | amazing box | for signal processing, but you may be interested to know that it has | fundamental architecture limitations that prevent it from doing | many of the | basic functions of the Echoplex. (as I understood it.) It | doesn't do the | stuff that is time based and revolves around direct access to | the data. No | multiply, no insert, no multiple loops and related functions, | no multiple | undo's, limited sync possibilities, etc. It has "sampler mode" | and "looper | mode" but can't do the interesting stuff that combines the two | concepts. If | you want tons of signal processing power and great algorithms, | and you want | to use those in conjunction with basic looping functions (and you have a | spare $6000 or whatever it costs) it seems like a pretty good | choice. Can | it replace an echoplex? or even a jamman? no. it's a different beast. | | kim | | ______________________________________________________________________ | Kim Flint | Looper's Delight | kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com | | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 04:43:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA24987; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 04:42:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 04:42:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <398E766F.7046@club-internet.fr> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 10:42:23 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Damon, Why CF ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > remember that a looper needs to be able to read and write simultaneusly for > all of its channels. You need to be able to playback while you > record/overdub new stuff. That doubles the bandwidth... Kim, What should be the use of recording each channel at the same time for a single user ? This is mostly the case, one recording track at a time, isn't it ? Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 05:43:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA25504; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 05:42:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 05:42:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 05:41:23 EDT Subject: Re: Looking for David Torn cd...DRAG To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if you aren't a lang fan then you shouldn't bother with this cd. david's loops are pretty unobtrusive and don't really stand out that much. probably not worth owning just for his loops. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 05:48:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA25742; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 05:47:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 05:47:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 02:43:30 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Damon, Why CF ? In-reply-to: <398E766F.7046@club-internet.fr> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:42 AM -0700 8/7/00, PERILLE wrote: >> remember that a looper needs to be able to read and write simultaneusly for >> all of its channels. You need to be able to playback while you >> record/overdub new stuff. That doubles the bandwidth... > >Kim, > >What should be the use of recording each channel at the same time for a >single user ? >This is mostly the case, one recording track at a time, isn't it ? > >Emmanuel I suppose it depends on the application. A lot of people interested in multitrack looping are working with a variety of sound sources that they want on separate loop tracks. Imagine a percussionist with each drum separately mic'd. As he plays each is recorded on it's own loop track, which can then be manipulated and operated on individually. Ask Dennis, he would probably like that. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 07:42:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA26587; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:41:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:41:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005c01c00064$5231d120$259bb8d4@0006303921043200861239070001> Reply-To: "Luis Angulo" From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <20000806230736.44193.qmail@hotmail.com> <000701bffffb$27baf020$c7cd44c6@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Echoplex=crap for dummies Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:40:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am realizing that a lot of electronic products have certain bugs when they are first released.I think the best thing to do is to wait a bit and observe how it behaves. We have the advantage of the internet to monitor many products nowdays,so don´t rush and be patient.In the Echoplex case I was not warned of it´s bugs and i find it hard to believe that Gibson as well as the sales people didn´t know either.I bought my first one in 1996,returned it after a couple of months and bought another one in 1997, which didn´t have the overheating problem but also had bugs. the internal legal problems behind this product i did not know either but i payed a lot of money for it and repairs.This was ignored by the company in the past of course and thank God i found this site.In America i was told that Oberheim in Germany would take care of any problems which wasn´t the case.That i call conspiracy my friend.They don´t even know what the hell it is! If you are in europe be sure to get names,adresses and telephone numbers of the people who will be helping you and assisting you if anything goes wrong.This thing is not going to be cheap here!. I believe is quite understandable for any consumer to feel this way. Nevertheless i must say that the EDP is the best real time looper outhere and Matthias is a genius! Cheers Luis > I don't know whether to kiss my pds-8000 or storm the gates of Gibson with a > machine gun. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: italo de angelis > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 8:07 PM > Subject: Echoplex=crap for dummies > > > > It's almost 4 years that you all guys are pathetically talking about this > > shitty box!!! Can you stop it? Do you understand Gibson doesn't give a > .... > > for our "miserable" looping passion, since it's just a poor marketing > issue > > for them. At least Lexicon was correct and frank when they dropped their > > Jamman, too little of a market for it those days, even though they didn't > > realize how to set up a market for a looping device. > > Start to be more proud of yourself....off Gibson!!! Let's be real! Let's > > talk about the units we NOW HAVE, TCs, Eventides, Lexicons, Kyma and > welcome > > Repeater...Let's talk about serious techniques for looping, pre & post > > processing them and more...stop this miserable crap about "poor us...we > > don't have EDPs anymore...how can we go on looping???" FUCK GIBSON!!! They > > are selling you shitty harware and miserable software...get a computer and > > start looping seriously... > > Stop crying!!! Stand up and make the best we can with what we have and try > > to get some more sensitive builder listening to our needs... > > Start writing to Scott Gilfix at Eventide (scottg@eventide.com) to have > > properly designed software for looping into their outstanding boxes, come > > ON!!! Fed up with this poor old ladies junk talk be MODERN!!! > > ITALO > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 07:54:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA26833; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:53:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:53:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c00065$bbcc5000$71f538cb@swoods> From: "stevenw" To: References: Subject: Re: Echoplex=crap for dummies Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:50:49 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <_g4eGD.A.fiG.tKqj5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps Kim has a good sense of humour as well as being a constant source of education for us. I thought it was funny and enjoyed it. Regards Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: Javier Miranda V. To: Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 6:14 PM Subject: RE: Echoplex=crap for dummies > I gotta say that Kim shows off a reptilian cool here with Italo (talk about > flames!). You Kim are an iceberg of incomprefuckhensible proportions! I > would have lost my cool right off the bat. But not Kim. > > Congrats, Kim. You're a gentleman and a scholar. Not at all bad for a > shorty. > > Hmm... Maybe Italo would benefit from a video explaining and demostrating > all the great features of the Echoplex. I'm sure that would shut him up. > > J. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > | Sent: Monday 07 August 2000 12:44 AM > | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > | Subject: Re: Echoplex=crap for dummies > | > | > | At 6:07 PM -0700 8/6/00, italo de angelis wrote: > | >It's almost 4 years that you all guys are pathetically talking > | about this > | >shitty box!!! Can you stop it? > | ... > | >Start writing to Scott Gilfix at Eventide (scottg@eventide.com) to have > | >properly designed software for looping into their outstanding > | boxes, come > | >ON!!! Fed up with this poor old ladies junk talk be MODERN!!! > | >ITALO > | > | I talked to Scott at length about looping on Orville. It's an > | amazing box > | for signal processing, but you may be interested to know that it has > | fundamental architecture limitations that prevent it from doing > | many of the > | basic functions of the Echoplex. (as I understood it.) It > | doesn't do the > | stuff that is time based and revolves around direct access to > | the data. No > | multiply, no insert, no multiple loops and related functions, > | no multiple > | undo's, limited sync possibilities, etc. It has "sampler mode" > | and "looper > | mode" but can't do the interesting stuff that combines the two > | concepts. If > | you want tons of signal processing power and great algorithms, > | and you want > | to use those in conjunction with basic looping functions (and you have a > | spare $6000 or whatever it costs) it seems like a pretty good > | choice. Can > | it replace an echoplex? or even a jamman? no. it's a different beast. > | > | kim > | > | ______________________________________________________________________ > | Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > | kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > | > | > | > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 08:14:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27423; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 08:13:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 08:13:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000807121204.6687.qmail@web3002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 05:12:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeremy Lakatos Subject: Re: Red Road - Hello Dolphin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 08:44:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27797; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 08:42:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 08:42:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c0006d$ab22be30$c2ff1b18@carolina.rr.com> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20000806202229.007bc990@pop.ici.net> Subject: Re: Echoplex=crap for dummies Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 08:47:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thet do some honest soul-searching? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 8:22 PM Subject: Re: Echoplex=crap for dummies > At 01:07 AM 8/7/00 CEST, you wrote: > >...shitty harware and miserable software... > > So, this guy walks into this really crowded hole-in-the-wall biker bar, > pulls the plug on the jukebox, elbows a couple of burly, tattooed fellows > aside and climbs up onto the pool table. When he's sure all eyes are on > him, and he's completely surrounded by particularly mean-looking motorcycle > afficionados, he tips his head back and shouts "HARLEY-DAVIDSONS SUCK AND > YOUR OLD LADIES ARE UGLY SKANKS!!!" > > And then guess what happened... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 09:11:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28341; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:10:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:10:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <398EB6A7.C441480E@senet.com.au> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:46:23 +0930 From: ian X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: tape echos Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is there anyone out there that know of , or is in possession of any circuit diagrams of any of the valve type echo machines that were in use in the 60's -70's..ie Dynacord , Echoplex , Binson and so on.. Thanks Ian Lyckholm Adelaide South Australia From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 09:21:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28674; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:20:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:20:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.11.2.20000807074423.02dbcf58@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.0.11 (Beta) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 07:55:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Damon, Why CF ? In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.11.2.20000806121848.03125008@mail.redmoon-music.com> <398D3D86.42BC@club-internet.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8VjcdB.A.n_G.Nerj5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Flint (03:02 AM 08.07.2000) wrote: >At 10:58 AM -0700 8/6/00, Mark Pulver wrote: >>PERILLE (05:27 AM 08.06.2000) wrote: >> >> >Example : 8 playback + 1 recording stereo channels @ 48khz/16bit >> > >> >SmartMedia : >> >- 32 READ bytes*70nsec + 4 RECORD bytes*660nsec = 4.9µsec*48khz = 24% => >> >PASS >> > >> >CompactFlash : >> >- 36 bytes*660nsec = 23.8µsec*48khz = 114% => CRASH ! >> >>Am I correct in seeing you outline a total of 9 stereo tracks here? >> >>Repeater is obviously laid out as a 4 track machine which we're _assuming_ >>to be 4 stereo tracks. I don't think that Damon has said anything about >>sample rate, but I would be more likely to assume 44.1khz over 48khz. > >remember that a looper needs to be able to read and write simultaneusly for >all of its channels. You need to be able to playback while you >record/overdub new stuff. That doubles the bandwidth... Ummm, given that Repeater only has a single stereo pair in, then I don't know that this is even possible in the context of that box. :) And I don't think that Electrix is trying to corner the multitrack digital recorder world with Repeater, so ... ? But, I did miss the issue of needing to overdub live. Thanks! So in the context of Repeater and the original question of CF having enough bandwidth for the task at hand, we're looking at 5 stereo tracks. Shorthanding my original math babble: 20 bytes/sample * 48000 samples per second = 960000 bytes/second Which is well within the spec'd bandwidth that PERILLE had posted. Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 09:43:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29107; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:41:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:41:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.11.2.20000807080130.02d58258@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.0.11 (Beta) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 08:29:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Looper interfaces, (was Re: Damon, Why CF ?) In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.11.2.20000806121848.03125008@mail.redmoon-music.com> <398D3D86.42BC@club-internet.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com (I thought it best to split this away from the CF conversation) >>Good point... Especially with the back panel showing direct out's for 1-4, >>unless they're stereo jacks. :) >> >>I was doing some hopeful thinking, then factoring in that the unit >>obviously sees L&R in and then pondering as to why in this day and age of >>inexpensive DSP power would someone make a 4 track mono/2 track stereo >>recorder? :) > >it is more than DSP power. >(most loop functions do not really use dsp at all.) True. But, from my day work, I can say though that folks are starting to realize that the low cost of DSP is making folks realize that there is more to be done with DSP than things like effects algorithms and time stretching. DSP is (of course) _wonderful_ for moving a large chunk of data around quickly in a larger buffer space, so why not look at moving the more traditional housekeeping roles off of the host processor and put it into straight into the DSP code. I would suspect that many maintenance tasks such as manipulating end points and loop timing, as well as more traditional functions such as pitch, scale and time stretching are all being handled in DSP. >For every track you need in and out jacks, panel space, buffer amps, >ADC's and DAC's, i/o channels to the convertors, etc. You need knobs and >buttons and displays to allow the user to control each channel in >performance. All of that costs money. Yeup, this is true. It all does cost cash, but not as much as it used to. I know that I'm preaching to the choir, but SMT/VLSI has done a great deal to keep costs like these under control. The high cost of a new machine can usually be traced back to trying to recoup the tooling costs of the design. I suspect that Electrix is using parts in Repeater who's design costs are well on their way to being absorbed by other products. We've seen the physical UI of the Repeater, so we know that the machine isn't a 12 space monster with a high external parts count. >Beyond that is the question of how to design a useable and intuitive >interface for multitrack looping. That can be quite complicated if you want >any interesting featues for interacting between loops, and the problem >multiplies as you add channels. You can easily end up with an >incomprehensible array of knobs and switches on your 12 rack space front >panel. It can do anything but nobody can remember how to use it... :) Or, you can spend the money on letting a coder go nuts and designing a MIDI CC/SysEx implementation such that you can run any kind of human interaction UI that you want to. :) It's the same concept as looking at a rack synth. Just because the new single space Virus (or the rack Q) has very few knobs doesn't mean that you can't interact with the machine. You just have to "think outside of the box" to steal a phrase. :) Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 10:30:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29694; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:28:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:28:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01a001c0007b$4b277b70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <38.99d32a0.26bc9f43@aol.com> Subject: Re: The Best Loopers Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:25:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > dennis..........wonderful post...........but i suggest getting a boomerang > and start screamin from the git-go..........:)............michael Yes! The "doing" is better than the "talking"! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 10:45:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30074; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:44:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:44:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <021001c0007d$88d24ed0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <20000806230736.44193.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Echoplex=crap for dummies Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:41:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Italo, my fellow looper! Decaffeinate! :) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 10:49:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30371; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:47:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:47:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 07:47:09 -0700 Subject: EDP quality--another perspective From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been reading "Vintage Synthesizers", the history of synthesizers from Keyboard magazine, and it makes any complaints regarding the EDP seem trivial. And I say this as someone who's had 2/3 of my units fail in the first week (both of these were the original Oberheim models, and were cheerfully and quickly replaced by the vendor). My new Gibson model is working great once I figured out that it likes the input knob up much higher than my older boxes. Anyway, after reading about $6K synthesizers that would only stay in tune for 20 minutes before requiring several HOURS of retuning (the CP-80), the various EDP woes don't seem that bad. If the move to Trace "sticks" and they successfully ramp up production and establish a speedy service department, things will be rosy. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 10:55:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30609; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:54:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:54:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Message-Id: <200008071453.KAA30559@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 10:52:32 EDT Subject: diagnostic question To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Resent-Message-ID: <5uYvh.A.qdH.T1sj5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey americans (16% of which are governed by someone named Bush), My rig, containing my EDP, went weird during yesterday's gig. I lost about half my gain, and all of my effects, which run between the pre-amp and power amp of my Mesa/Boogie. There are a number of possibilities, ranging from a bad patch cord (likely) to a blown tube at V4 (half of this 12AX7A is assigned for 'effects return'). Here's my question: On a hunch, I checked my EDP by doing a quick loop, and my loop output sound was MUCH louder than what I fed into it. So I dialed the wet/dry knob on my EDP all the way back to 'dry', and I had all kinds of volume. It was a bit noisy, but it got me through the rest of the set. What happened, and why did this work? Shouldn't this tell me what the problem was with my rig? (It's Monday, and I'm slow today...) Kevin PS Thanks to you all who sent me your favorable comments on 'Hello Dolphin'! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 11:07:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31009; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:05:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:05:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: EDP self-QA tips? Message-ID: <0056910006429661000002L112*@MHS> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:03:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 08/07/00 10:05:08" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA30918 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just for counterpoint, I gotta tell y'all that my two EDPs, one a 1995 Oberheim and one a 2000 Gibson, have never had any problem other than a worn out foot pedal switch. Reliable as a hammer. They allways work, and you know, they do do real time looping better than an Orville too! BTW, I am getting an Orville, but it definitely won't replace my EDP, and sure as hell my PC is never going to replace my (real time) EDP either! K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 12:17:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32449; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 12:16:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 12:16:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <027e01c0008a$125f5ba0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Damon, Why CF ? Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:10:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ... > I suppose it depends on the application. A lot of people interested in > multitrack looping are working with a variety of sound sources that they > want on separate loop tracks. Imagine a percussionist with each drum > separately mic'd. As he plays each is recorded on it's own loop track, > which can then be manipulated and operated on individually. Ask Dennis, he > would probably like that. (Ulp! My name gets mentioned!) Yes, individual 'tracks' permit individual treatment of each track. The treatment may include EQ, reverb/delay/echo, level adjustment, and panning (spatialization). An advantage of "all-in-one" boxes like Kyma and Orville is that you don't need an individual output (DAC) for each track, since the box does the treatment (EQ, reverberation, level adjustment, etc) itself. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 12:48:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00807; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 12:46:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 12:46:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000807164502.63223.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [213.45.220.135] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex=crap Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:45:02 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: Javier Miranda V. >To: >Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 6:14 PM >Subject: RE: Echoplex=crap for dummies > > > > I gotta say that Kim shows off a reptilian cool here with Italo (talk >about > > flames!). You Kim are an iceberg of incomprefuckhensible proportions! >I > > would have lost my cool right off the bat. But not Kim. > > > > Congrats, Kim. You're a gentleman and a scholar. Not at all bad for a > > shorty. > > > > Hmm... Maybe Italo would benefit from a video explaining and >demostrating > > all the great features of the Echoplex. I'm sure that would shut him >up. THANX BUT IT WILL NOT BE YOUR VIDEO; I'M LOOPING SINCE 12 YEARS, WAY BEFORE JAMMAN OR EDPs...WRITE AS REGULAR COLUMNIST ON ITALIAN GUITAR MAGAZINE (WWW.AXE.COM) ABOUT CONTEMPORARY HARMONY AND DIGITAL SYSTEMS; I'M A PROFESSIONAL MUSICIAN, I.E. LIVE WITH IT!MY RESUME WOULD GO ON FOR A WHILE BUT I'LL CUT WITH IT, TEACHER AND EDUCATOR.SOUND DESIGNER AND PRESETS CONTRIBUTOR AT EVENTIDE FOR FREE!!! BETA TESTING, YOU KNOW? PLAY ONLY THE MUSIC I LIKE AND NOT FOR HOBBIE, Mr.MIRANDA. I KNOW THE ECHOPLEX VERY WELL AS I KNOW MY JAMMAN, WHAT A REAL LOOPER SHOULD HAVE OR NOT AND TONS OF OTHER BOXES BUT ALSO KNOW THE HEADACHES THAT EDP BROUGHT TO ANYBODY, FOR YEARS!!! THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE BOX...JUST THE ASSHOLES THAT KEEP ON MAKING IT WRONG AND BAD...YOU KNOW WHAT DOES "PROUD" MEAN? AT LEAST STOP SOMEBODY ELSE STEALING YOUR MONEY AND THIS IS NOT MY OR YOUR CASE, I HOPE...ASK GIBSON TO LEARN HOW TO DO THEIR JOB!!! IN TEN YEARS YOU'LL STILL BE HERE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME EDPs TROUBLES, I BET!!! GOOD LUCK...ITAL@@@P ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 13:02:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01134; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:01:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:01:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c00091$0b61f180$630978d8@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <20000807164502.63223.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Loop Flame Wars (was EDP=Poo Poo for Dodos) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:00:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi guys-- My Gibson EDP seems to work fine--of course I haven't had many gigs with it--BTW, caps are only for emphasis--best not to overuse them. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 13:20:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01583; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:19:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:19:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02ba01c00093$3f35d920$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20000806202229.007bc990@pop.ici.net> Subject: Re: Echoplex=crap Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 12:16:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >...THANX BUT IT WILL NOT BE YOUR VIDEO; I'M LOOPING SINCE 12 YEARS, WAY BEFORE >JAMMAN OR EDPs...WRITE AS REGULAR COLUMNIST ON ITALIAN GUITAR MAGAZINE Not enough, apparently... So next the guys shouts, "...AND YOUR MOTHER TOO!" Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 7:22 PM Subject: Re: Echoplex=crap for dummies > At 01:07 AM 8/7/00 CEST, you wrote: > >...shitty harware and miserable software... > > So, this guy walks into this really crowded hole-in-the-wall biker bar, > pulls the plug on the jukebox, elbows a couple of burly, tattooed fellows > aside and climbs up onto the pool table. When he's sure all eyes are on > him, and he's completely surrounded by particularly mean-looking motorcycle > afficionados, he tips his head back and shouts "HARLEY-DAVIDSONS SUCK AND > YOUR OLD LADIES ARE UGLY SKANKS!!!" > > And then guess what happened... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 13:24:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01843; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:23:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:23:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000807132228.007d4d40@panther.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 13:22:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: murkie Subject: Re: Echoplex=crap In-Reply-To: <20000807164502.63223.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:45 PM 8/7/00 CEST, you wrote: > > > >>----- Original Message ----- > YOU KNOW WHAT DOES "PROUD" >MEAN? AT LEAST STOP SOMEBODY ELSE STEALING YOUR MONEY AND THIS IS NOT MY OR you know what does "shouting" mean? m ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Listen to "Feeling Gravity's Pull" Wednesday nights from 10PM to Midnight on WRMC 91.1 FM (or if you're outside of Vermont at: http://wrmc.middlebury.edu) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 14:59:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03246; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:40:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:40:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b601c0009d$df379080$73541004@pc> From: "rebecca263" To: References: <20000807164502.63223.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Echoplex=crap Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:32:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please remove me from loopers delight list, I was only looking for the tech stuff and this extra social bit is filling my mail box. thanks, rebecca263 ----- Original Message ----- From: "italo de angelis" To: Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 2:45 PM Subject: Re: Echoplex=crap > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Javier Miranda V. > >To: > >Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 6:14 PM > >Subject: RE: Echoplex=crap for dummies > > > > > > > I gotta say that Kim shows off a reptilian cool here with Italo (talk > >about > > > flames!). You Kim are an iceberg of incomprefuckhensible proportions! > >I > > > would have lost my cool right off the bat. But not Kim. > > > > > > Congrats, Kim. You're a gentleman and a scholar. Not at all bad for a > > > shorty. > > > > > > Hmm... Maybe Italo would benefit from a video explaining and > >demostrating > > > all the great features of the Echoplex. I'm sure that would shut him > >up. > THANX BUT IT WILL NOT BE YOUR VIDEO; I'M LOOPING SINCE 12 YEARS, WAY BEFORE > JAMMAN OR EDPs...WRITE AS REGULAR COLUMNIST ON ITALIAN GUITAR MAGAZINE > (WWW.AXE.COM) ABOUT CONTEMPORARY HARMONY AND DIGITAL SYSTEMS; > I'M A PROFESSIONAL MUSICIAN, I.E. LIVE WITH IT!MY RESUME WOULD GO ON FOR A > WHILE BUT I'LL CUT WITH IT, TEACHER AND EDUCATOR.SOUND DESIGNER AND PRESETS > CONTRIBUTOR AT EVENTIDE FOR FREE!!! BETA TESTING, YOU KNOW? > PLAY ONLY THE MUSIC I LIKE AND NOT FOR HOBBIE, Mr.MIRANDA. > I KNOW THE ECHOPLEX VERY WELL AS I KNOW MY JAMMAN, WHAT A REAL LOOPER SHOULD > HAVE OR NOT AND TONS OF OTHER BOXES BUT ALSO KNOW THE HEADACHES THAT EDP > BROUGHT TO ANYBODY, FOR YEARS!!! THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE BOX...JUST THE > ASSHOLES THAT KEEP ON MAKING IT WRONG AND BAD...YOU KNOW WHAT DOES "PROUD" > MEAN? AT LEAST STOP SOMEBODY ELSE STEALING YOUR MONEY AND THIS IS NOT MY OR > YOUR CASE, I HOPE...ASK GIBSON TO LEARN HOW TO DO THEIR JOB!!! IN TEN YEARS > YOU'LL STILL BE HERE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME EDPs TROUBLES, I BET!!! > GOOD LUCK...ITAL@@@P > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > ____________NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_________ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 15:06:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03345; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:44:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:44:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Message-Id: <200008071829.OAA02885@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 14:29:06 EDT Subject: recommendation anyone? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm thinking I need to simplify my rig, so I'm searching out high-quality rack-mountable multi-effect units. I'm not so fussy about price if they're durable as hell and sound good. (I see no point in using crappy reverb when my guitars and amps are first-rate.) Locally I have available Digitech and Alesis. (Have not had good luck with Alesis products myself, but my recent CD was recorded on Alesis ADAT, and it sounds damn good.) Anyone want to contribute their $.02? If you like, e-mail me privately, and save the lists' bandwidth for more important discussions (ahem). k From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 15:07:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03196; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:39:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:39:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: midi foot contoller Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:23:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So you've replaced the Gibson foot pedal with the Rocktron. Interesting... especially after I bounced out to the Rocktron site and saw it. I like the fact that this pedal is so much more compact than the Gibson one... Two questions though... sounds like you've solved the problems you encountered in getting it to work with the Echoplex. Have you written down and posted online what you had to do to get it to work with the Echoplex, so other folks don't have to burden Kim and the others with the same questions you had? Also, is the foot pedal large enough to prevent you from inadvertently pressing the wrong switches? (i.e., are the switches far enough apart for accurate live performance work?) More generally, has anyone else found other switches that can be used instead of the Gibson pedal? Thanks, Kevin > > Hey man, have you tried out Chuck Levin's ... http://www.wmcworld.com ? They've come through for me on a few hard to find items. As for the Rocktron All Access, I've been having quite a bit of success with mine after many an email to Kim and several other people on this list and a few others. Big thing with these foot controllers is that you'll want to spend the extra bucks on getting a hold of the expression pedals. Really am digging the fade in's and outs which the All Access is able to do. Tap on, loop extended, gliss out, LeeohkinoWired. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 15:07:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03686; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:57:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:57:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <398F7C67.B95D645E@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 20:20:07 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex=crap References: <20000807164502.63223.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ITALOOP do you really _HAVE_ an EDP ? You would have it mentionned in your loopers profile ? Now instead of insulting the guys behind the EDP (Mathias, Kim etc..) go here http://www.loopers-delight.com/musings/musings.html and see what your own looping star David Torn says about the EDP he's been using it from the beginning or buy one or get lost in my EGOTRIP killfile Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 15:08:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04313; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:06:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:06:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c000a0$4e49ca40$632b4382@boye> From: "boy-g" To: References: <20000807121204.6687.qmail@web3002.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: SV: Red Road - Hello Dolphin Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:49:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA03631 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.mp3.com/ORG ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeremy Lakatos To: Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 2:12 PM Subject: Re: Red Road - Hello Dolphin > Great! > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 15:09:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04386; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:07:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:07:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.227.130.50] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex=crap Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:59:36 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2000 18:59:37.0198 (UTC) FILETIME=[A1E0E8E0:01C000A1] Resent-Message-ID: <_c_UbB.A.t9.2cwj5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Take your anger somewhere else. Please go away. Om and Out What are you REALLY angry about? Howz yer life going? Peace Papa Dave >> > I gotta say that Kim shows off a reptilian cool here with Italo (talk >>about >> > flames!). You Kim are an iceberg of incomprefuckhensible proportions! >>I >> > would have lost my cool right off the bat. But not Kim. >> > >> > Congrats, Kim. You're a gentleman and a scholar. Not at all bad for a >> > shorty. >> > >> > Hmm... Maybe Italo would benefit from a video explaining and >>demostrating >> > all the great features of the Echoplex. I'm sure that would shut him >>up. >THANX BUT IT WILL NOT BE YOUR VIDEO; I'M LOOPING SINCE 12 YEARS, WAY BEFORE >JAMMAN OR EDPs...WRITE AS REGULAR COLUMNIST ON ITALIAN GUITAR MAGAZINE >(WWW.AXE.COM) ABOUT CONTEMPORARY HARMONY AND DIGITAL SYSTEMS; >I'M A PROFESSIONAL MUSICIAN, I.E. LIVE WITH IT!MY RESUME WOULD GO ON FOR A >WHILE BUT I'LL CUT WITH IT, TEACHER AND EDUCATOR.SOUND DESIGNER AND PRESETS >CONTRIBUTOR AT EVENTIDE FOR FREE!!! BETA TESTING, YOU KNOW? >PLAY ONLY THE MUSIC I LIKE AND NOT FOR HOBBIE, Mr.MIRANDA. >I KNOW THE ECHOPLEX VERY WELL AS I KNOW MY JAMMAN, WHAT A REAL LOOPER >SHOULD >HAVE OR NOT AND TONS OF OTHER BOXES BUT ALSO KNOW THE HEADACHES THAT EDP >BROUGHT TO ANYBODY, FOR YEARS!!! THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE BOX...JUST THE >ASSHOLES THAT KEEP ON MAKING IT WRONG AND BAD...YOU KNOW WHAT DOES "PROUD" >MEAN? AT LEAST STOP SOMEBODY ELSE STEALING YOUR MONEY AND THIS IS NOT MY OR >YOUR CASE, I HOPE...ASK GIBSON TO LEARN HOW TO DO THEIR JOB!!! IN TEN YEARS >YOU'LL STILL BE HERE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME EDPs TROUBLES, I BET!!! >GOOD LUCK...ITAL@@@P >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 15:32:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05262; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:30:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:30:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:29:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: "looper's delight" Subject: t.- b. nyc: pr? we don't need no stinking pr... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i know i've hyped this show to the list already, but seeing as how the knitting factory seems to have dropped tono-bungay off the face of the calandar i just thought i'd take a minute to reassure you all that yes, in fact t.- b. WILL be appearing in the main space tomorrow night at 8 pm. and god, if that's not reassuring, i don't know what is. (references to the appearances of william hooker and dalek on the bill are accurate.) yours truly, chopped liver From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 15:50:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05720; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:48:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:48:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c000a9$9c0dd880$91713004@pc> From: "rebecca263" To: References: Subject: Re: t.- b. nyc: pr? we don't need no stinking pr... Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:56:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i hear sonymao/needle will be at the knitting factory september 1, anyone know the lineup there for the next month or so? ----- Original Message ----- From: "r. dennis" To: "looper's delight" Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 3:29 PM Subject: t.- b. nyc: pr? we don't need no stinking pr... > > i know i've hyped this show to the list already, > but seeing as how the knitting factory seems > to have dropped tono-bungay off the face of > the calandar i just thought i'd take a minute > to reassure you all that yes, in fact > t.- b. WILL be appearing in the main space > tomorrow night at 8 pm. > > and god, if that's not reassuring, i don't know what is. > > (references to the appearances of william hooker > and dalek on the bill are accurate.) > > yours truly, > > chopped liver > > > > > > > > ____________NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_________ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 16:01:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06073; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:59:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:59:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000807195845.13849.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 12:58:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just picked up Roland Handsonic - a midi hand drum - WayWayWayKool(tm), and very accessable for anyone who has ever mistaken a table top for a drumming surface - http://www.rolandus.com/response.asp?id=r1_5_7_1 . It has a number of fairly good ethnic drum sounds, and a very good tabla implementaion. It is midi-syncable, and a loop-related feature is its pattern sequencer. It is not a terribly robust sequencer, but it does allow you to loop (midi) in record mode, and drop in and out of record mode, so you can lay down a riff, suspend record and improvise a little, then add more to the pattern. It has four tracks, but unfortunately it looks like you have to stop the pattern and write the data to move to another track (I haven't played with it enough to be sure though.) You can also map patterns to different sections of the drum surface. I'm hoping to sync it the the EDP soon. So, trying to go portable with this gizmo, does anyone here have any experience / comments on portable battery-powered amplifiers? I'm looking for something to be used for a variety of applications, but primairly synths. I'm considering the pignose hog-30 or the crate taxi (maybe the limo, which is 50W vs taxi's 30X). It looks like the MaxiMouse is no longer in production. thanks ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 16:05:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06311; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:04:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:04:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 12:23:41 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Sustainer pickup review Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA06214 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just wanted to take a moment to give a short review... After finally finishing my new mutant Warmoth Strat style guitar, with Joe Barden pu's and a SUSTAINIAC STEALTH SUSTAINER system, I can only say, "Why didn't I get a sustainer YEARS ago?!" Alan Hoover's product works smoothly and well and I'm just stoked that I now have controllable sustain and feedback at ANY volume I want. I hope to hell that our friend Alan is able to sustain his production of these units and prosper from his fine efforts. Thank you Alan! Best regards, -Miko Biffle From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 16:06:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06361; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:04:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:04:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:08:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-Reply-To: <20000807195845.13849.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is the Roland battery powered? That would be >way< cool. bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell Say 'extensions' and then '56789' to get to bIz's house of fun. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen [mailto:dakshah@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 12:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) I just picked up Roland Handsonic - a midi hand drum - WayWayWayKool(tm), and very accessable for anyone who has ever mistaken a table top for a drumming surface - http://www.rolandus.com/response.asp?id=r1_5_7_1 . It has a number of fairly good ethnic drum sounds, and a very good tabla implementaion. It is midi-syncable, and a loop-related feature is its pattern sequencer. It is not a terribly robust sequencer, but it does allow you to loop (midi) in record mode, and drop in and out of record mode, so you can lay down a riff, suspend record and improvise a little, then add more to the pattern. It has four tracks, but unfortunately it looks like you have to stop the pattern and write the data to move to another track (I haven't played with it enough to be sure though.) You can also map patterns to different sections of the drum surface. I'm hoping to sync it the the EDP soon. So, trying to go portable with this gizmo, does anyone here have any experience / comments on portable battery-powered amplifiers? I'm looking for something to be used for a variety of applications, but primairly synths. I'm considering the pignose hog-30 or the crate taxi (maybe the limo, which is 50W vs taxi's 30X). It looks like the MaxiMouse is no longer in production. thanks ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 16:13:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06779; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:12:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:12:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.11.2.20000807150900.00aca370@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: redmoon/mail.redmoon-music.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.0.11 (Beta) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 15:12:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: RE: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) In-Reply-To: References: <20000807195845.13849.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jonathan El-Bizri (03:08 PM 08.07.2000) wrote: >Is the Roland battery powered? That would be >way< cool. Nope... AC only (well, short of rigging a large current battery source). I've been babbling about this box on various lists more than Repeater wince Winter NAMM. :) It's a great machine... They've been a LONG time getting into distribution. They were due out in early May, but various dealers just got *ONE* each last Wednesday. Mine shipped on Thursday, I should have it today if UPS is on my side. Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 16:16:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07056; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:15:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:15:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.webslingerZ.com: sburnett owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:10:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Burnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) In-Reply-To: <20000807195845.13849.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Stephen wrote: > I just picked up Roland Handsonic - a midi hand drum - > WayWayWayKool(tm), and very accessable for anyone who > has ever mistaken a table top for a drumming surface - > http://www.rolandus.com/response.asp?id=r1_5_7_1 . It > has a number of fairly good ethnic drum sounds, and a > very good tabla implementaion. Where did you end up getting it from? I've been lusting after one of these since I saw the prototype at NAMM in February. [snip] > So, trying to go portable with this gizmo, does anyone > here have any experience / comments on portable > battery-powered amplifiers? I'm looking for something > to be used for a variety of applications, but > primairly synths. I'm considering the pignose hog-30 > or the crate taxi (maybe the limo, which is 50W vs > taxi's 30X). It looks like the MaxiMouse is no longer > in production. The Crate Taxi is nice. I get a surprisingly good sound out of the Fender AmpCan which is tiny (the size of a can of house paint) and very portable for me. The Taxi might do better for drumming, though. Others' opinions? regards, Steve -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 16:18:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07306; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:17:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:17:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <398F1856.37B76CE1@best.com> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 13:13:10 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kim, some questions..... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, there ya go! If only Gibson would get off their duff and do what Coke did: target China with their product. Here are a few advertising slogans they could use: Over 1 Billion Sold It's the Real Looper Thing Always Loopy Actually, I'd love to hear classical Chinese musical motifs applied with looping, anyone doing this? -Allan (will trade my working EDP for an Orville - na, just kidding!) Kim Flint wrote: > At 11:51 PM -0700 8/6/00, John Tidwell wrote: > > >I am reassured by your response, but maybe not > >totally convinced. I can't help but think that even > >Coca-Cola advertises,(not to mention Gibson guitars). > >But, as you said, maybe we're just not to that point > >of their strategic plan yet. > > I think coke probably has an unlimited supply of sugar and water to mix > together. :-) So advertising makes sense for them to increase sales and > imprint their brand into every human brain on earth. ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 16:22:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07591; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:20:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:20:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.editev.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.11.2.20000807150900.00aca370@127.0.0.1> References: <20000807195845.13849.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <5.0.0.11.2.20000807150900.00aca370@127.0.0.1> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:19:54 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: RE: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Pulver wrote: >Jonathan El-Bizri (03:08 PM 08.07.2000) wrote: > > >Is the Roland battery powered? That would be >way< cool. > >Nope... AC only (well, short of rigging a large current battery source). > >I've been babbling about this box on various lists more than >Repeater wince Winter NAMM. :) > > >It's a great machine... They've been a LONG time getting into >distribution. They were due out in early May, but various dealers >just got *ONE* each last Wednesday. > >Mine shipped on Thursday, I should have it today if UPS is on my side. oh, my. you must send us a complete review of this. I am salivating... (OK, it's off-topic but probably interesting to those of us who need to keep their hands free...) /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 16:26:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07813; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:23:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:23:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:22:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Thanks Claude Voit: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think I just found a new name for a project of mine: EGOTRIP KILLFILE. Interesting exchange but methinks he protests too much (Italo). EDP is cool. Wish I had two. Or even one. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 16:26:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07969; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:25:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:25:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130757@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Kim, some questions..... Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:21:04 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com enjoy loop -----Original Message----- From: Allan Hoeltje [mailto:ahoeltje@best.com] Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 1:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kim, some questions..... Well, there ya go! If only Gibson would get off their duff and do what Coke did: target China with their product. Here are a few advertising slogans they could use: Over 1 Billion Sold It's the Real Looper Thing Always Loopy Actually, I'd love to hear classical Chinese musical motifs applied with looping, anyone doing this? -Allan (will trade my working EDP for an Orville - na, just kidding!) Kim Flint wrote: > At 11:51 PM -0700 8/6/00, John Tidwell wrote: > > >I am reassured by your response, but maybe not > >totally convinced. I can't help but think that even > >Coca-Cola advertises,(not to mention Gibson guitars). > >But, as you said, maybe we're just not to that point > >of their strategic plan yet. > > I think coke probably has an unlimited supply of sugar and water to mix > together. :-) So advertising makes sense for them to increase sales and > imprint their brand into every human brain on earth. ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 16:30:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08321; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:29:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:29:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001101c000a9$9c0dd880$91713004@pc> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:17:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: t.- b. nyc: pr? we don't need no stinking pr... Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is rebecca263 allowed to ask questions on the list after requesting to be removed from it (improperly)? just thought i would ask. :) rich >i hear sonymao/needle will be at the knitting factory september 1, anyone >know the lineup there for the next month or so? >----- Original Message ----- >From: "r. dennis" >To: "looper's delight" >Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 3:29 PM >Subject: t.- b. nyc: pr? we don't need no stinking pr... > > >> >> i know i've hyped this show to the list already, >> but seeing as how the knitting factory seems >> to have dropped tono-bungay off the face of >> the calandar i just thought i'd take a minute >> to reassure you all that yes, in fact >> t.- b. WILL be appearing in the main space >> tomorrow night at 8 pm. >> >> and god, if that's not reassuring, i don't know what is. >> >> (references to the appearances of william hooker >> and dalek on the bill are accurate.) >> >> yours truly, >> >> chopped liver >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >____________NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_________ >Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html >Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 >___________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 16:31:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08452; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:30:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:30:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.11.2.20000807151815.00a8fc40@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: redmoon/mail.redmoon-music.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.0.11 (Beta) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 15:29:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) In-Reply-To: <20000807195845.13849.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stephen (02:58 PM 08.07.2000) wrote: >It has four >tracks, but unfortunately it looks like you have to >stop the pattern and write the data to move to another >track (I haven't played with it enough to be sure >though.) I think this is true as well, I can't remember what I found in playing at Summer NAMM. You can though overdub multiple parts onto a single track without stopping the sequencer. Also, when summing up the value of the box, don't forget the two ribbons and the DBeam as controllers, the onboard effects and pitch, filters and modulations. The sequencer is also fully SMF compatible. You can create a multi-track sequence in the box and then dump the whole thing outside for editing and mashing with all the tracks separated plus any live playing that you may be doing as well. And the two ribbons and the DBeam show up as dedicated CC's, so they can be used as controllers for the outside world. And And the ribbons can be assigned to trigger sounds or control a param of a sound mapped to a pad. And And And the DBeam is proximity aware (though I don't know if this is transmitted, it might as volume). >You can also map patterns to different sections of the drum surface. And And And And all pads are velocity sensitive with the front two being positional sensitive as well. This allows for sidesticking a snare or rimming a timbale. SteveB: I got mine from Rogue Music, Dick Michaels . They have a waiting list growing and the distributor doesn't have solid dates on when the next batch will show up. I sent Dick email from Winter NAMM to be the first on his list. :) Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 16:39:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08961; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:38:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:38:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:30:39 -0500 Message-ID: <01c000b6$bb7c3060$4fcd580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stephen, Is this puppy anything at all like the WaveDrum? can you use/trigger external modules? What is the approx. price Thanks, PedrOOrdeP >I just picked up Roland Handsonic - a midi hand drum - >WayWayWayKool(tm), and very accessable for anyone who > >===== >Stephen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 16:39:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08963; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:38:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:38:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c000b0$7702f320$66513004@pc> From: "rebecca263" To: References: Subject: Re: t.- b. nyc: pr? we don't need no stinking pr... Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:45:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <1weEWC.A._JC.s3xj5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/79 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com gee, i'm so crushed! ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 4:17 PM Subject: Re: t.- b. nyc: pr? we don't need no stinking pr... > is rebecca263 allowed to ask questions on the list after requesting to be > removed from it (improperly)? > > just thought i would ask. :) > > > rich > > > >i hear sonymao/needle will be at the knitting factory september 1, anyone > >know the lineup there for the next month or so? > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "r. dennis" > >To: "looper's delight" > >Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 3:29 PM > >Subject: t.- b. nyc: pr? we don't need no stinking pr... > > > > > >> > >> i know i've hyped this show to the list already, > >> but seeing as how the knitting factory seems > >> to have dropped tono-bungay off the face of > >> the calandar i just thought i'd take a minute > >> to reassure you all that yes, in fact > >> t.- b. WILL be appearing in the main space > >> tomorrow night at 8 pm. > >> > >> and god, if that's not reassuring, i don't know what is. > >> > >> (references to the appearances of william hooker > >> and dalek on the bill are accurate.) > >> > >> yours truly, > >> > >> chopped liver > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >____________NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_________ > >Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > >Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 > >___________________________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 16:47:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09451; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:46:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:46:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.11.2.20000807153932.027526b0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: redmoon/mail.redmoon-music.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.0.11 (Beta) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 15:45:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) In-Reply-To: <01c000b6$bb7c3060$4fcd580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pedro Felix (04:30 PM 08.07.2000) wrote: >Stephen, >Is this puppy anything at all like the WaveDrum? can you use/trigger >external modules? What is the approx. price US $1295 list, and it's MUCH more machine than a Wavedrum. All of the pads DO send MIDI (as well as the ribbons and DBeam) but there's a whole sound engine in the machine which is based on Roland's Virtual Drum modeling system. The only drawback that I can think of without having had dedicated time to play with one is that it has just two audio outs (plus a headphone jack). But, internally the level and pan position of each sound is individually definable so it may not be THAT big of a deal. I'm not one to process drum sounds individually anyway... Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 17:04:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09876; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:02:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:02:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000807210150.5993.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.171.219.15] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex=crap Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:01:50 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/82 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: Claude voit >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Echoplex=crap >Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 20:20:07 -0700 > >ITALOOP > >do you really _HAVE_ an EDP ? >I've never said I have one...I said I know it and worked with one of a >friend...I know its great looping function >You would have it mentionned in your loopers profile ? >Yes >Now instead of insulting the guys behind the EDP (Mathias, Kim etc..) >go here http://www.loopers-delight.com/musings/musings.html and see what >your own looping star David Torn says about the EDP >he's been using it from the beginning >I'm not insulting Kim and Mathias...I just don't like what Gibson is >doing...this friend of mine that has one, he had to bounce it to Gibson >first, to Trace Elliott then...Gibson kept it for 6 months even saying that >they could not FIND IT!!! >or buy one >Surely...the day it will not break and have just very minor bugs...seems >distant from now, though. >or get lost in my EGOTRIP killfile >No egotrips man just want things work properly for the money you pay, I pay >and everybody else pays too...seems to hard to understand at Loopers >Delight or what??? > > >Claude and Italo > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 17:09:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10187; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:08:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:08:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000807210743.19856.qmail@web204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:07:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: RE: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com no, it's not. But i have another small battery pack that should be able to power it for a number of hours. The stand (and required attachment) are supposed to come out in 6-8 weeks. stephen --- Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > Is the Roland battery powered? That would be >way< > cool. > > bIz __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 17:19:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10808; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:16:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:16:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000807211514.355.qmail@web210.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:15:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Where did you end up getting it from? I've been > lusting after one of these > since I saw the prototype at NAMM in February. i got it at geeeetar center in san jose, ca. for $995. I think they one more in stock. Gelb Music up the coast sold the one they had and have more on the way in a couple of weeks. > The Crate Taxi is nice. I get a surprisingly good > sound out of the Fender > AmpCan which is tiny (the size of a can of house > paint) and very portable > for me. i've heard good things about the ampcan....I think it is 15W compared to taxi's 30W. My naive assumption is that it might color the sound more than the crate given that it seems to be marketed more as a guitar amp, whereas the the crate / pignose also include the terms "PA" or "keyboard" or the like in their marketing literature. stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 17:27:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11205; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:26:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:26:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000807172429.0069a230@total.net> X-Sender: chleduc@total.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:24:35 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Christian Leduc Subject: Re: Sustainer pickup review Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <8dVKf.A.ysC.kkyj5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, About your little review, I don't know if it's true but I heard that this thing sucks batteries (9 V= 15 minutes)... I don't know if it's true or if the new system is better... The new thing looks quite cool (Sustainer+pickup in one single coil space)... But if it's true about the battery, I think I'm going to keep my ebow... By the way, I don't have the EDP but it looks like a great unit... Much better than my echotron.. But I never saw you talking about the sound's quality... Is it warmer than most digital units??? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 17:34:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11566; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:32:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:32:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003101c000b0$7702f320$66513004@pc> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:19:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: t.- b. nyc: pr? we don't need no stinking pr... Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >gee, i'm so crushed! >----- Original Message ----- hahahahahaha... great response... just thought it was interesting that if you had properly removed yourself from the list, you wouldn't have even got the message you inquired about. There's actually alot of TECH information (which you wanted) embedded in all of the SOCIAL crap (which apparently you don't)... the inquiry regarding the gig...which category would that fall under, tech or social? rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 17:41:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12028; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:40:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:40:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 14:37:46 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Subject: Re: Sustainer pickup review Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA11919 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/87 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > About your little review, I don't know if it's true but I heard that this thing sucks batteries (9 V= 15 minutes)... Not even close! People say LOTS of stuff, but this is just not true... >> I don't know if it's true or if the new system is better... The new thing looks quite cool (Sustainer+pickup in one single coil space)... Mine is the previous version with a single coil driver next to a single coil pu in a humbucking size hole. Some people put both on a single humbucker mounting plate, but I set mine up as 2 single coils so I could individually optimize their adjustmtents. Battery life: I've been using mine since around July 15th and have gone through 2 batteries... this has been with erratic semi-regular use. Possibly 1-2 hours 2 times a week. I'd say I get WELL over 3-5 hours per battery. I'll know more after longer term usage. (I don't have it turned on all the time I'm playing either...) > But if it's true about the battery, I think I'm going to keep my ebow... This system SMOKES the ebow... I also use it more due to it's built-in convenience. > By the way, I don't have the EDP but it looks like a great unit... Much better than my echotron.. But I never saw you talking about the sound's quality... Is it warmer than most digital units??? I wasn't talking about the sound quality... But mine's pretty good... it IS digital y'know... Listen for yourself! -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 17:47:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12337; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:46:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:46:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.11.2.20000807164033.027797a0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: redmoon/mail.redmoon-music.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.0.11 (Beta) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 16:42:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: RE: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.11.2.20000807150900.00aca370@127.0.0.1> <20000807195845.13849.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <5.0.0.11.2.20000807150900.00aca370@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom Ritchford (03:19 PM 08.07.2000) wrote: >>Mine shipped on Thursday, I should have it today if UPS is on my side. > >oh, my. you must send us a complete review of this. I am salivating... Oh, I will. It's hard to keep these fingers too far from a keyboard. :) But alas, my dealer called me today and said it was just shipping out now. So, it's not waiting for me at home today, but I'll have it for the weekend! WAHOO! Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 17:48:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12539; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:47:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:47:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000807214653.17502.rocketmail@web221.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:46:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/89 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > And And > the ribbons can be > assigned to trigger sounds or control a param of a > sound mapped to a pad. andandand they can be set to spring back to zero or hold the last value. > And And And And all pads are velocity sensitive with > the front two being > positional sensitive as well. andandandandand pressure sensitive too, which allows you to produce muted as well as open hits on the same pad section, as well as have the pressure of one section control the pitch, etc of itself, or another pad section. whew. ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 17:52:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12955; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:51:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:51:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.11.2.20000807164224.02786d90@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: redmoon/mail.redmoon-music.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.0.11 (Beta) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 16:49:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: recommendation anyone? In-Reply-To: <200008071829.OAA02885@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com KB305@aol.com (01:29 PM 08.07.2000) wrote: >I'm thinking I need to simplify my rig, so I'm searching out high-quality >rack-mountable multi-effect units. I'm not so fussy about price if they're >durable as hell and sound good. (I see no point in using crappy reverb when >my guitars and amps are first-rate.) What types of effects are you looking for in a box? It's hard to beat the delay fun that's hiding in a TC Electronic D-Two; the Korg SDD-3300 is a *wild* triple delay machine that's VERY underrated; the Digitech Quad is a fun box for it's ability to run effects in various combinations of serial/parallel... For all the ripping and pushing that's been going on here around the Eventide machines, they are an awesome bundle of power. But, you'll pay for it... For reverbs, the price/performance ratio of the TC Electronic M-One is incredible. And, not to sound like a broken record, but I really am taken by the Electrix gear. Talk about being built like a tank, easy to spin on stage, and nicely featured... Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 17:52:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13035; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:51:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:51:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000807215124.26999.qmail@web204.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:51:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/92 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Stephen, > >Is this puppy anything at all like the WaveDrum? > can you use/trigger > >external modules? What is the approx. price I think one problem with the wave drum is that it did not respond to midi, while this does. > The only drawback that I can think of without having > had dedicated time to > play with one is that it has just two audio outs > (plus a headphone jack). the bummer with this is that you can't separate out a metronome / click track from the performance audio. ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 17:53:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12799; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:50:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:50:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <398F2B7F.931405F4@home.com> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 14:34:56 -0700 From: Damon Langlois Reply-To: damon-langlois@home.com Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05C-AtHome0403 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hey Ital@@@p References: <200008071909.PAA04642@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/90 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >THANX BUT IT WILL NOT BE YOUR VIDEO; I'M LOOPING SINCE 12 YEARS, WAY BEFORE >JAMMAN OR EDPs...WRITE AS REGULAR COLUMNIST ON ITALIAN GUITAR MAGAZINE >(WWW.AXE.COM) ABOUT CONTEMPORARY HARMONY AND DIGITAL SYSTEMS; >I'M A PROFESSIONAL MUSICIAN, I.E. LIVE WITH IT!MY RESUME WOULD GO ON FOR A >WHILE BUT I'LL CUT WITH IT, TEACHER AND EDUCATOR.SOUND DESIGNER AND PRESETS >CONTRIBUTOR AT EVENTIDE FOR FREE!!! BETA TESTING, YOU KNOW? >PLAY ONLY THE MUSIC I LIKE AND NOT FOR HOBBIE, Mr.MIRANDA. >I KNOW THE ECHOPLEX VERY WELL AS I KNOW MY JAMMAN, WHAT A REAL LOOPER SHOULD >HAVE OR NOT AND TONS OF OTHER BOXES BUT ALSO KNOW THE HEADACHES THAT EDP >BROUGHT TO ANYBODY, FOR YEARS!!! THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE BOX...JUST THE >ASSHOLES THAT KEEP ON MAKING IT WRONG AND BAD...YOU KNOW WHAT DOES "PROUD" >MEAN? AT LEAST STOP SOMEBODY ELSE STEALING YOUR MONEY AND THIS IS NOT MY OR >YOUR CASE, I HOPE...ASK GIBSON TO LEARN HOW TO DO THEIR JOB!!! IN TEN YEARS >YOU'LL STILL BE HERE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME EDPs TROUBLES, I BET!!! >GOOD LUCK...ITAL@@@P Hey Ital@@@p when you use all caps your yelling at us and I'm sure you don't want to represent yourself as being rude. Your link www.axe.com doesn't work. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 18:18:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13879; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:17:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:17:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200008072216.PAA12402@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 15:17:04 -0800 Subject: Re: recommendation anyone? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi-I find that "high-quality rack-mountable multi-effect units" is an oxymoron-if you really desire high quality I find single purpose dedicated boxes cannot be duplicated in any way!If you really need *REVERB* you have to look at tubes or LEXICON etc. You have to choose between simplify and high quality IMHO Good Luck...STANNER ---------- >From: Mark Pulver >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: recommendation anyone? >Date: Mon, Aug 7, 2000, 1:49 PM > > KB305@aol.com (01:29 PM 08.07.2000) wrote: > > >I'm thinking I need to simplify my rig, so I'm searching out high-quality > >rack-mountable multi-effect units. I'm not so fussy about price if they're > >durable as hell and sound good. (I see no point in using crappy reverb when > >my guitars and amps are first-rate.) > > What types of effects are you looking for in a box? > > It's hard to beat the delay fun that's hiding in a TC Electronic D-Two; the > Korg SDD-3300 is a *wild* triple delay machine that's VERY underrated; the > Digitech Quad is a fun box for it's ability to run effects in various > combinations of serial/parallel... > > For all the ripping and pushing that's been going on here around the > Eventide machines, they are an awesome bundle of power. But, you'll pay for > it... > > For reverbs, the price/performance ratio of the TC Electronic M-One is > incredible. > > And, not to sound like a broken record, but I really am taken by the > Electrix gear. Talk about being built like a tank, easy to spin on stage, > and nicely featured... > > > Mark > _______________________________________________________ > |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica > | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com > _______________________________________________________ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 18:44:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14333; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:32:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:32:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.editev.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.11.2.20000807164224.02786d90@127.0.0.1> References: <5.0.0.11.2.20000807164224.02786d90@127.0.0.1> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:30:09 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: recommendation anyone? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Pulver wrote: >It's hard to beat the delay fun that's hiding in a TC Electronic >D-Two; the Korg SDD-3300 is a *wild* triple delay machine that's >VERY underrated; the Digitech Quad is a fun box for it's ability to >run effects in various combinations of serial/parallel... doesn't say whether it's the 500ms version or the full 1600ms version but the top bid now is $105 or so... /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 18:57:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14795; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:56:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:56:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.11.2.20000807173342.031fb260@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: redmoon/mail.redmoon-music.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.0.11 (Beta) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:55:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: re: Korg SDD-3300 In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.11.2.20000807164224.02786d90@127.0.0.1> <5.0.0.11.2.20000807164224.02786d90@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/95 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom Ritchford (05:30 PM 08.07.2000) wrote: > > >doesn't say whether it's the 500ms version or the full 1600ms version but >the top bid now is $105 or so... Yeup... That's the one! Funky picture, the alternate pic is better though. The last two of these I've seen go went for about $350 which is a great price. I wonder where his reserve is? btw, mine is the 500ms version and I've heard from other folks talking about the 1600ms version, but no one seems to of ever seen one. I *think* that the machine is based on BBD's (SAD1024's if I remember right) and when I had mine open, I don't remember seeing anything that looked like a way to gang up layers of SAD1024's in order to triple the delay time. Soooo, guess what I'm about to ask you? :) Have you ever seen a 1600ms version of the box? I have a theory... I think that the 1600ms babble may of started from a misnomer in a Korg product brochure which may of said something like "up to 1600ms of delay time!" which would be true if you set the machine up as 3 serial 500ms delay times (given that we're talking about 5??ms and not a flat "500"). Tell me I'm wrong Tom! Tell me that there IS a way to get 3 1600ms delay lines out of this box! :) Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 19:07:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15131; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:05:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:05:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.editev.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.11.2.20000807173342.031fb260@127.0.0.1> References: <5.0.0.11.2.20000807164224.02786d90@127.0.0.1> <5.0.0.11.2.20000807164224.02786d90@127.0.0.1> <5.0.0.11.2.20000807173342.031fb260@127.0.0.1> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:04:12 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: re: Korg SDD-3300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/96 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Pulver writes: >btw, mine is the 500ms version and I've heard from other folks >talking about the 1600ms version, but no one seems to of ever seen >one. I *think* that the machine is based on BBD's (SAD1024's if I >remember right) and when I had mine open, I don't remember seeing >anything that looked like a way to gang up layers of SAD1024's in >order to triple the delay time. > >Soooo, guess what I'm about to ask you? :) > >Have you ever seen a 1600ms version of the box? > >I have a theory... I think that the 1600ms babble may of started >from a misnomer in a Korg product brochure which may of said >something like "up to 1600ms of delay time!" which would be true if >you set the machine up as 3 serial 500ms delay times (given that >we're talking about 5??ms and not a flat "500"). > > >Tell me I'm wrong Tom! Tell me that there IS a way to get 3 1600ms >delay lines out of this box! :) sigh, sob, I was probably referring to the same reviews as you were: Mika Salonoja wrote: >I play psychedelic pop, experimental stuff and strange space noises. >Early Pink Floyd and Hawkwind kinda > stuff. SDD-3300 is at home with such styles. I've played +20 years. >My SDD-3300 is the older version with > only 500ms of delay per unit, and that's a limitation. I wish a had >1600ms of delay. Anyone know how an > update can be done? the only other reference on that page says "delays up to 1600ms" which seems consistent with the 5xxms time (perhaps it's 512? then 1536 == 1600 in advertising mentality?) oh, well. /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 19:12:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15429; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:11:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:11:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.11.2.20000807180515.031fd080@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: redmoon/mail.redmoon-music.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.0.11 (Beta) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:09:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: re: Korg SDD-3300 In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.11.2.20000807173342.031fb260@127.0.0.1> <5.0.0.11.2.20000807164224.02786d90@127.0.0.1> <5.0.0.11.2.20000807164224.02786d90@127.0.0.1> <5.0.0.11.2.20000807173342.031fb260@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/97 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom Ritchford (06:04 PM 08.07.2000) wrote: >>I have a theory... I think that the 1600ms babble may of started from a >>misnomer in a Korg product brochure which may of said something like "up >>to 1600ms of delay time!" which would be true if you set the machine up as >>3 serial 500ms delay times (given that we're talking about 5??ms and not a >>flat "500"). >> >> >>Tell me I'm wrong Tom! Tell me that there IS a way to get 3 1600ms delay >>lines out of this box! :) > >sigh, sob, I was probably referring to the same reviews as you were: > > :) Yeah, that and I've talked to numerous folks on other lists about the box. I think we're closing in on where the wording came from... :( >the only other reference on that page says "delays up to 1600ms" which seems >consistent with the 5xxms time (perhaps it's 512? then 1536 == 1600 in >advertising mentality?) Yeup... I think the actual time that the display shows is 530ms (of all things!), which would give 1590ms. I'm still at work and will be until late, so I can't check in the near future to be sure. >oh, well. I know... Let's get Kim to start hacking in layers of BBDs for us! :) Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 19:18:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15680; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:17:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:17:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: recommendation anyone? Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:20:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200008072216.PAA12402@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/98 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com IMHO, that's no longer the case. However, you'll probably want to stay away from the usual guitar effectors; roland, boss etc. I have a couple of 2120 in my stick rack, and there a loads of fun, but I wouldn't call them high fidelity, especially the preamp section. bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell Say 'extensions' and then '56789' to get to bIz's house of fun. -----Original Message----- From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 4:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: recommendation anyone? Hi-I find that "high-quality rack-mountable multi-effect units" is an oxymoron-if you really desire high quality I find single purpose dedicated boxes cannot be duplicated in any way!If you really need *REVERB* you have to look at tubes or LEXICON etc. You have to choose between simplify and high quality IMHO Good Luck...STANNER ---------- >From: Mark Pulver >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: recommendation anyone? >Date: Mon, Aug 7, 2000, 1:49 PM > > KB305@aol.com (01:29 PM 08.07.2000) wrote: > > >I'm thinking I need to simplify my rig, so I'm searching out high-quality > >rack-mountable multi-effect units. I'm not so fussy about price if they're > >durable as hell and sound good. (I see no point in using crappy reverb when > >my guitars and amps are first-rate.) > > What types of effects are you looking for in a box? > > It's hard to beat the delay fun that's hiding in a TC Electronic D-Two; the > Korg SDD-3300 is a *wild* triple delay machine that's VERY underrated; the > Digitech Quad is a fun box for it's ability to run effects in various > combinations of serial/parallel... > > For all the ripping and pushing that's been going on here around the > Eventide machines, they are an awesome bundle of power. But, you'll pay for > it... > > For reverbs, the price/performance ratio of the TC Electronic M-One is > incredible. > > And, not to sound like a broken record, but I really am taken by the > Electrix gear. Talk about being built like a tank, easy to spin on stage, > and nicely featured... > > > Mark > _______________________________________________________ > |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica > | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com > _______________________________________________________ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 19:30:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16137; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:29:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:29:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:28:54 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Korg SDD-3300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <056501c000c7$409d0ca0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <5.0.0.11.2.20000807164224.02786d90@127.0.0.1> <5.0.0.11.2.20000807164224.02786d90@127.0.0.1> <5.0.0.11.2.20000807173342.031fb260@127.0.0.1> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <2QhSgD.A.06D.MZ0j5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/99 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I *think* > that the machine is based on BBD's (SAD1024's if I remember right) doesn't SDD stand for stereo digital delay? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 20:19:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17064; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:18:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:18:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000807201647.0069f1cc@total.net> X-Sender: chleduc@total.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 20:16:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Christian Leduc Subject: Re: Sustainer pickup review Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I know that the sustainer "smokes" the e-bow but the battery-thing frightened me at first... I know that it is a better system.. if you know Michael Brook, he can do things with his own "sustainer" sytem (infinite guitar) that the e-bow can't do... Well, I have to ask the guy from Sustainiac about the new baby.. because, if it's an active pickup while the sustainer is off, it must suck a little more the batteries than the simple stealth sustainer... But 5-6 hours is A LOT better than 15 minutes... When I heard that, I was seeing myself changing batteries after each song... Well, quite a frightening vision... :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 21:34:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18323; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:32:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:32:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000807213610.007c2980@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:36:10 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Dr. Didg In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000806202229.007bc990@pop.ici.net> References: <20000806230736.44193.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If any of you enjoy Dr. Didg, there are some recent photos at which give a fairly good view of Graham Wiggin's looping rack and that quasi-pyramidal mic gobo-thingy he uses to keep his didg mic from picking up drum bleed and whatnot. There's a shot of his guitarist's (Todd Wright?) pedals, too, with a DL4 right in the middle of it. Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 21:55:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19213; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:54:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:54:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <023001c000db$4b8acf80$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <20000806230736.44193.qmail@hotmail.com> <3.0.5.32.20000807213610.007c2980@pop.ici.net> Subject: Re: Dr. Didg Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:52:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I auditioned for Didj about a year and a half ago. Wiggins was in Boston looking for a bass player, so I showed up. I didn't even come close to getting the gig, but it was an experience nonetheless. What surprised me the most was how many times he'd screw something up rhythmically while he was setting up his loop and have to start over again. He was using a JamMan with a funky homemade-looking wooden device he'd slap on to open and close the loop. Get his album "Serotonality" for a good time. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Nelson To: Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 9:36 PM Subject: Dr. Didg > If any of you enjoy Dr. Didg, there are some recent photos at > which give a fairly good view of > Graham Wiggin's looping rack and that quasi-pyramidal mic gobo-thingy he > uses to keep his didg mic from picking up drum bleed and whatnot. There's a > shot of his guitarist's (Todd Wright?) pedals, too, with a DL4 right in the > middle of it. > > Tim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 23:11:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20401; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:10:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:10:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Echoplex=crap Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:08:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20000807164502.63223.qmail@hotmail.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dude, take it easy, man. I know you must be coming from a lot of experience to say that the EDP should be better laid out and more user friendly (which is what I gather from your desperate e-mails). I myself have had a lot of trouble with this box, trying to learn all its intricacies. But it makes for an interesting exercise nonetheless. Maybe you should go on vacation already and go relax somewhere, then come back to LD with some patience and compassion for all those like me that do not work for a fancy music magazine nor provide free-of-charge samples for Eventide. Not everybody leads your life. We have other things that interest us and fill our lives. As far as I can see, I consider myself lucky to have a box like the EDP, with all its little cranky little twists; I think it was a good investment. It sounds good, and it has a lot of mysterious applications that I'll be working with for years to come. It could be better laid out, or its functions better presented; however, as Kim continues to insist, if they had put a knob for every function, it would be an overwhelming box nobody would have time to deal with or could afford. I think they've done a good job, considering all the factors involved, in designing the EDP. Yes, there is room for improvement, but the last thing we want to see at LD is negativity and draggy attitudes. The tool of choice here would be some positive feedback and suggestions. I hope you'll feel better next time you post something. Javier Berkeley, Calif. | -----Original Message----- | From: italo de angelis [mailto:italoop@hotmail.com] | Sent: Monday 07 August 2000 11:45 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: Re: Echoplex=crap | | | | | | >----- Original Message ----- | >From: Javier Miranda V. | >To: | >Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 6:14 PM | >Subject: RE: Echoplex=crap for dummies | > | > | > > I gotta say that Kim shows off a reptilian cool here with | Italo (talk | >about | > > flames!). You Kim are an iceberg of incomprefuckhensible | proportions! | >I | > > would have lost my cool right off the bat. But not Kim. | > > | > > Congrats, Kim. You're a gentleman and a scholar. Not at | all bad for a | > > shorty. | > > | > > Hmm... Maybe Italo would benefit from a video explaining and | >demostrating | > > all the great features of the Echoplex. I'm sure that | would shut him | >up. | THANX BUT IT WILL NOT BE YOUR VIDEO; I'M LOOPING SINCE 12 | YEARS, WAY BEFORE | JAMMAN OR EDPs...WRITE AS REGULAR COLUMNIST ON ITALIAN GUITAR MAGAZINE | (WWW.AXE.COM) ABOUT CONTEMPORARY HARMONY AND DIGITAL SYSTEMS; | I'M A PROFESSIONAL MUSICIAN, I.E. LIVE WITH IT!MY RESUME WOULD | GO ON FOR A | WHILE BUT I'LL CUT WITH IT, TEACHER AND EDUCATOR.SOUND DESIGNER | AND PRESETS | CONTRIBUTOR AT EVENTIDE FOR FREE!!! BETA TESTING, YOU KNOW? | PLAY ONLY THE MUSIC I LIKE AND NOT FOR HOBBIE, Mr.MIRANDA. | I KNOW THE ECHOPLEX VERY WELL AS I KNOW MY JAMMAN, WHAT A REAL | LOOPER SHOULD | HAVE OR NOT AND TONS OF OTHER BOXES BUT ALSO KNOW THE HEADACHES | THAT EDP | BROUGHT TO ANYBODY, FOR YEARS!!! THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE BOX...JUST THE | ASSHOLES THAT KEEP ON MAKING IT WRONG AND BAD...YOU KNOW WHAT | DOES "PROUD" | MEAN? AT LEAST STOP SOMEBODY ELSE STEALING YOUR MONEY AND THIS | IS NOT MY OR | YOUR CASE, I HOPE...ASK GIBSON TO LEARN HOW TO DO THEIR JOB!!! | IN TEN YEARS | YOU'LL STILL BE HERE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME EDPs TROUBLES, I BET!!! | GOOD LUCK...ITAL@@@P | ________________________________________________________________________ | Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 23:28:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20872; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:27:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:27:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200008080326.e783QEi16133@trex.centroin.com.br> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: mpc60 ram upgrade Reply-To: chrisedu@ig.com.br In-Reply-To: References: From: Christian Eduardo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:31:20 -0300 X-Mailer: Musashi 3.2.3-us Resent-Message-ID: <7XQ0M.A.fEF.833j5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi There! I am just upgrading my old mpc60 with the "Marion mpc-scsi" and system 3.10, software upgrade. Wanting to know how to upgrade the Ram in the MPC 60? What kind of simms the MPC uses? Thx in advance C h r i s t i a n E d u a r d o Rio de Janeiro - Brazil Mail to: chris001@ig.com.br ICQ 14578324 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 23:55:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21677; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:54:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:54:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <019f01c000ec$847c62c0$5df1a118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <20000807195845.13849.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:55:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds kewl and from I'm seeing on the street price, also sounds like a really good deal compared to the Zen Drum. Silly question, though... Are the pitches tunable on this thing? Paolo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen" To: Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 3:58 PM Subject: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) > I just picked up Roland Handsonic - a midi hand drum - > WayWayWayKool(tm), and very accessable for From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 00:03:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21994; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:02:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:02:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.11.2.20000807225447.021ca080@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.0.11 (Beta) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:59:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) In-Reply-To: <019f01c000ec$847c62c0$5df1a118@tampabay.rr.com> References: <20000807195845.13849.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com pvallad1 (10:55 PM 08.07.2000) wrote: >Sounds kewl and from I'm seeing on the street price, also sounds like a really >good deal compared to the Zen Drum. Well, the Zendrum is _very_ cool, you have to wear one to reall understand just how well laid out the pads are, but it's designed as a controller only, not a sound source. And yeah, at US $1450 for the low-end model, it's pricey. >Silly question, though... Are the pitches tunable on this thing? Oh yes. :) One of the fun demos that Roland Percussion Demo God "Steve" liked to do was to create a jazz percussion section on the fly. He'd lay down a drum track, then a percussion track and then add a tuned bass line. Them while that sequence was in PLAY mode, he'd play a "lead" line over the top of it. All from the pads on the HPD-15. :) Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 01:42:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23484; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 01:40:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 01:40:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3966BECB.55B38EB5@dial.pipex.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 06:40:27 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock Organization: smtp.dial.pipex.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sustainer References: <200008080403.AAA22069@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Is it possible to power this thing via perhaps a stereo guitar lead/ modified jack input-sort-of-thing ? and how much for the unit ? and can you fit it yourself or do you have to send your guitar off to have it fitted ? I use an Ebow most of the time. I always got the impression that the sustainer was a little weak in terms of its attack. I'd appreciate people's experience in this area. By the way the Kyma system is monstrously powerful. I've got loops firing off in all directions - literally - I think I'm in love! Gareth > > Well, I know that the sustainer "smokes" the e-bow but the battery-thing > frightened me at first... I know that it is a better system.. if you know > Michael Brook, he can do things with his own "sustainer" sytem (infinite > guitar) that the e-bow can't do... > > Well, I have to ask the guy from Sustainiac about the new baby.. because, > if it's an active pickup while the sustainer is off, it must suck a little > more the batteries than the simple stealth sustainer... > > But 5-6 hours is A LOT better than 15 minutes... When I heard that, I was > seeing myself changing batteries after each song... Well, quite a > frightening vision... :) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 02:00:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23965; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 01:59:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 01:59:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000808055844.22072.qmail@web209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:58:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Silly question, though... Are the pitches tunable on > this thing? Yes, tunable pitches. There are three knob which in one mode are used to set the level, pitch, and pan for the sounds mapped to any of the pads in realtime, or they can be set in the patch; -2400 to +2400 cents. the thing is so much fun to play i've not cracked the manual much yet. ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 02:13:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24539; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 02:11:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 02:11:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01C00111.536BF630.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: AW: Sustainer pickup review Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:12:57 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I don't know if it's true but I heard that this > thing sucks batteries (9 V= 15 minutes)... nonsense. > But if it's true about the battery, I think I'm going to keep my ebow... you should keep your ebow anyway, ebow and sustainer aren't quite the same thing. Both are wonderful devices, but the sustainer gives you much more freedom. = michael peters = electronic music & strange attractors = http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 05:10:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA26887; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 05:09:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 05:09:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008701c00118$4e94ee80$a32a9d3e@0006303921043200861239070001> Reply-To: "Luis Angulo" From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: Subject: Re: recommendation anyone? Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:00:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes indeed, i have the Roland GP 100 and although its a great and versatile unit i just can´t get used to it´s preamp digital coldness. I played with stomp boxes and tube amps for a long time before getting into the rackmount digital scene.Effects work wonderful but COSM amp simulation and all of its fancy stuff just hasn´t done it for me.Its the difference between instant coffee and a good fresh brewed espresso! Any recomendations on a good passive warm analog rackmount preamp outhere? I think i am saying goodbye to my Roland! Luis . > > However, you'll probably want to stay away from the usual guitar effectors; > roland, boss etc. I have a couple of 2120 in my stick rack, and there a > loads of fun, but I wouldn't call them high fidelity, especially the preamp > section. > ----- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 05:10:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA26739; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 05:09:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 05:09:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008601c00118$4dd4abc0$a32a9d3e@0006303921043200861239070001> Reply-To: "Luis Angulo" From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <20000807210150.5993.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Echoplex=crap Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:46:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am with you Italo the day Gibson or whoever get their act together i will buy another one or 2 as well.No deniying, the unit is a piece of art! Arrivederchi! Luis > > > >Surely...the day it will not break and have just very minor bugs...seems > >distant from now, though. > >or get lost in my EGOTRIP killfile > >No egotrips man just want things work properly for the money you pay, I pay > >and everybody else pays too...seems to hard to understand at Loopers > >Delight or what??? > > > > > >Claude and Italo > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 08:26:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA28621; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:25:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:25:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SConner100@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:23:45 EDT Subject: Re: Korg SDD-3300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Speaking of Korg SDD units; does anyone know where to get these things serviced. I have a SDD-3000 that needs some serious attention. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. THANX!!!!! Later, Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 08:50:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29102; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:48:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:48:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.11.2.20000808073903.0164a880@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.0.11 (Beta) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 07:40:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: re: Korg SDD-3300 In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.11.2.20000807180515.031fd080@127.0.0.1> References: <5.0.0.11.2.20000807173342.031fb260@127.0.0.1> <5.0.0.11.2.20000807164224.02786d90@127.0.0.1> <5.0.0.11.2.20000807164224.02786d90@127.0.0.1> <5.0.0.11.2.20000807173342.031fb260@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Pulver (06:09 PM 08.07.2000) wrote: >Tom Ritchford (06:04 PM 08.07.2000) wrote: > > >the only other reference on that page says "delays up to 1600ms" which > >seems > >consistent with the 5xxms time (perhaps it's 512? then 1536 == 1600 in > >advertising mentality?) > >Yeup... I think the actual time that the display shows is 530ms (of all >things!), which would give 1590ms. I'm still at work and will be until >late, so I can't check in the near future to be sure. Hi Tom; The max time delay shown in the display is 500ms. So, maybe the original Korg blurb was "Delay times up to 1500ms!"? Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 11:44:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31091; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:42:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:42:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 08:35:34 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Sustainiac Sustainer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA30941 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Is it possible to power this thing via perhaps a stereo guitar lead/modified jack input-sort-of-thing ? and how much for the unit ? It's possible, but with the long battery life I get, I'd hate to have a dedicated cable/pwr supply required to activate it. Relax and use a battery. > and can you fit it yourself or do you have to send your guitar off to have it fitted ? You can do either. > I use an Ebow most of the time. I always got the impression that the sustainer was a little weak in terms of its attack. It's gain is adjustable, as well as the pickup height, so it's pretty easy to dial it. You can get it to do the e-bow howl pretty well, but it's maybe not quite as intense as when you're really right over a pickup AND pushing it as close as it will go without stopping string vibration. You COULD use max gain and have the pickup way close, but I find myself liking a more moderate setting. -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 12:07:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31879; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:05:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:05:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: davelinn@micron.net Message-ID: <001201c00152$10e40960$47ff0b3f@micron.net> To: References: Subject: Re: Sustainiac Sustainer Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:02:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-SMTP-HELO: micron X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: davelinn@micron.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 1Cust71.tnt1.provo.ut.da.uu.net [63.11.255.71] Resent-Message-ID: <-woVQB.A.dvH.48Ck5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This Sustainer sounds like a great addition to my venerable Les Paul, but I must say I love the E-bow for the variety of attacks, chirps, and squeals it produces. What happens if you combine the two? David Linn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 12:19:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32292; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:17:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:17:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013101c00154$adcd08b0$6bb4f9d0@mecasw.com> From: "Ken M" To: References: <001201c00152$10e40960$47ff0b3f@micron.net> Subject: Re: Sustainiac Sustainer Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:21:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Feedback a feedback loop.. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 12:02 PM Subject: Re: Sustainiac Sustainer > This Sustainer sounds like a great addition to my venerable Les Paul, but I > must say I love the E-bow for the variety of attacks, chirps, and squeals it > produces. What happens if you combine the two? > > David Linn > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 13:04:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00886; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:02:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:02:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:13:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Korg SDD-3300 review Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some of you have been discussing the SDD-3300 lately, so I thought I'd pass along this "review" Michael Caloroso sent to Analog Heaven earlier this year, hope it's helpful... >The SDD-3300 is a programmable triple digital delay with 64 memory slots >and MIDI In, Thru, and Out. It has a 2x40 LCD screen, menu page buttons, >and six sliders for editing the sounds. This is five better than one or >none at all on most FX boxes and is much better than increment/decrement >buttons, but sometimes I confuse the sliders as I move between menu items. >You can name each patch. > >I see a lot of head scratching out there. Most people wouldn't >immediately recognize the applications of three digital delays in one box. >Hey, I didn't either when I saw one of these in a store five years ago. > >Wanna know a dirty little secret? The best stereo chorus and ensemble >effects use a triple delay configuration. These include the coveted >phaser/chorus/ensemble in the ARP/Solina String Ensemble/SE-IV, the Korg >Trident, the ARP Omni/Omni II, and the original analog chorus pedal, the >Boss CE-1. Well looky here, this little gem can do that. > >The delays can go from 0.5 to 500 milliseconds at 16Khz bandwidth and you >can apply 12dB lowpass and/or highpass filtering to the feedback path. If >you chain the three in series you can get 1.5 seconds of delay. The delay >resolution varies depending on the range you're in; the longer the delay, >the more coarse the resolution, so it's not as fine as the SDD-1200 or the >SDD-2000. You can get up to 110% feedback for runaway loops. Each delay >can be used as sampling units for playing over looped audio, and you can >assign a MIDI note to trigger each unit. > >There's an input mixer and an output mixer for each delay unit, with >levels for any of the three input busses, feedback busses, output busses, >and effect busses. Not only that, you can invert *any* of the inputs off >the busses. This allows you to configure the delay units in parallel, in >series, or any combination, and you can cross feedback lines to your >taste. The nicest plus is that you can tap any combination of effect >lines to the outputs for the ultimate stereo processing. It's like having >a programmable patchbay for three delay boxes. This is one *seriously* >configurable box. > >There's a peak level LED above the three master input sliders and a four >segment input level LED for *each* input and output mixer. The LEDs are >also critical to make sure you're not clipping anywhere in the system, >which is easy to do. Once you've normalized the levels and made them as >even as possible, you'll get the best S/N ratio. Let me tell you it's a >*gas* watching these things dance in a complex stereo effect. > >Each delay has *two* LFOs, and you can control the phase of each LFO >relative to the LFO in the first delay or you can run them asynchronously. >Why are phase control of LFOs significant? You use out-of-phase LFOs to >get stereo processing that doesn't cancel in mono mode. Why two LFOs per >delay unit? For awesome ensemble effects, like the ARP String Ensemble. > >On the rear panel we have input, direct output, mix output, hold/trig, and >level control for each independent delay unit. At a glance it's sparse >compared to the rear panel of the SDD-1200, but deep inside the SDD-3300 >*does* has the I/O flexibility of the 1200, with the added bonus that it's >programmable in software. But there's no access to the feedback path at >the rear panel. > >Changing the delay time interupts the audio signal which is common for a >digital delay, but it's about a one second wait before the audio comes >back in. Likewise with the bypass function - when you enable it the >effect does not come on immediately. This is not a box you'd use for live >realtime tweaking. > >As experienced as I am with delay processing, it took a little time before >I got comfortable with this system, it's easy to confuse the parameters in >the input and output mixers. This is not a box for the novice, so if >you're starting out you'll want a good reference on delay processing. >Harmony Central has an excellent primer on delay processing techniques: >http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/effects-explained.html > >So how does it sound? > >The cleanest clearest stereo chorus I have ever heard, excellent flange >effects, good reflections (simple algorithms), and good tapped delay >effects. The ultimate in going hog wild on outlandish effects and >unconventional delay configurations not possible on any DSP box, >especially when crossing feedback ann effect paths. I used to pump the >Memorymoog through my old ART Multiverb and it would clip way too easily, >and then I'd have to raise up the already noisy output of the ART to >compensate. I don't have that problem with the SDD-3300. The delay >effects I get on this thing just doesn't compare to a DSP box; if I want >reverb I'll use DSP, but if I want basic delay processing I'll reach for >this thing. The clarity is unreal. I can get awesome stereo ethereal >sounds from the Memorymoog, and playing the Mini on one oscillator through >a stereo imaging algorithm is heaven. > >I bought my unit used and I think it had the original presets in it. I >think Korg originally marketed this to guitar players, but many of them >give up trying to struggle with it. The presets are so-so, but I started >having fun creating my own effects. This thing is made for the >experimenter. There's a lot of magic in this box, if you see one and are >not afraid to experiment, grab it you will not regret it. > >It will find use on vocals, guitars, and other instruments. I dialed up >an awesome stereo imaging effect that uses phase-controlled LFOs, it is >*wonderful* sounding. I also dialed up a great chorus effect that makes >any sound move around the room in the stereo image :) The famous >ARP/Solina String Ensemble/SE-IV, whose sweet stereo high strings have >been heard on almost all the 70s records (and is still popular today), >gets its sound from a triple delay processor with twin LFOs. That effect >is nice enough that many SE owners have had the chorus board scavenged >from the keyboard and mounted in a rack as an outboard effect. With a >little research from http://www.midiwall.com/aharchives and info from the >schematics, I was able to duplicate that effect with the SDD-3300. This >baby can do it. Feed it a simple filtered ramp, and -presto- instant >stereo strings, high notes are *sweet* just like the real thing. > >The kicker is even though it's 12-bit A/D at 88Khz, it sounds *good*. > >The manual tells you how to operate the unit, but it doesn't give you any >basics of delay processing, IE parameters for chorus, flanging, doubling, >etc. The manual *is* well written, nothing like most pathetic Roland >manuals. It has a MIDI program mapper and you can load/save a single >program or the whole kit-n-kaboodle. The block diagram on the top of the >unit is reproduced in the manual. It even provides the MIDI Sysex codes >for remote editing! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 14:57:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02840; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:55:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:55:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <04ff01c00169$b257db70$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <200008080403.AAA22069@hemlock.violacea.com> <3966BECB.55B38EB5@dial.pipex.com> Subject: Re: Sustainer Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:51:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > By the way the Kyma system is monstrously powerful. I've got loops > firing off in all directions - literally - I think I'm in love! Cool! Sounds like you're already going places with that Kyma! I'm curious, are those live loops or pre-recorded? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 15:35:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03609; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:34:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:34:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C00180.81E0AA00.shimmer@wolmail.nl> From: shimmer Reply-To: "shimmer@wolmail.nl" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Sustainer Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:34:53 +0200 Organization: Remco X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet-e-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey!!! I just read the mail about the Sustainer. Allen Hoover built me a unit a couple of years ago called the SustainMan with a seperate box (and powersupply) for my Stick. Works great. Since the Stick doesn't have a body I need a box to store the print. Remco -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Gareth Whittock [SMTP:whiteoak@dial.pipex.com] Verzonden: zaterdag, juli 08, 2000 7:40 Aan: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Onderwerp: Re: Sustainer Hi, Is it possible to power this thing via perhaps a stereo guitar lead/ modified jack input-sort-of-thing ? and how much for the unit ? and can you fit it yourself or do you have to send your guitar off to have it fitted ? I use an Ebow most of the time. I always got the impression that the sustainer was a little weak in terms of its attack. I'd appreciate people's experience in this area. By the way the Kyma system is monstrously powerful. I've got loops firing off in all directions - literally - I think I'm in love! Gareth > > Well, I know that the sustainer "smokes" the e-bow but the battery-thing > frightened me at first... I know that it is a better system.. if you know > Michael Brook, he can do things with his own "sustainer" sytem (infinite > guitar) that the e-bow can't do... > > Well, I have to ask the guy from Sustainiac about the new baby.. because, > if it's an active pickup while the sustainer is off, it must suck a little > more the batteries than the simple stealth sustainer... > > But 5-6 hours is A LOT better than 15 minutes... When I heard that, I was > seeing myself changing batteries after each song... Well, quite a > frightening vision... :) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 16:36:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04730; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:34:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:34:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <35.8a20db2.26c1c893@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:33:23 EDT Subject: Re: Damon, Why CF ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, How about doing something similiar with a (know they're not your cup of tea) but synth guitar wherein each string is sent to the device as its own separate loop (shameless RMC Fan-Out Box plug). Hey, there's a 6 channels getting used up rather quickly. Though if it's a Warr Guitar then it'd be 12 channels... Whoops, lost my train of thought on that one... There's a few more intrepid souls who'd really feel the love for this device if you're able to link them together. Back to the drawing board... LeeohkinoWired. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 16:55:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05231; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:53:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:53:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C413076D@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: gig plug in so cal, usa Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:51:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another great concert bargain from the folks at pfMENTUM: Saturday, August 12, 8 PM, $5 Art City II, 31 Peking Street, Ventura, California For Directions: http://www.mapblast.com/ Jeff and Steuart Jeff Kaiser, trumpet and electronics, looping Steuart Liebig, bass and electronics, looping AND The Billy Mintz Quartet Billy Mintz: drums Jeff D'Angelo: bass Rob Lockhart: tenor saxophone Clay Jenkins: trumpet NOTE: This concert is inside (physically anyway) BUT there are no chairs. Please bring blankets, pillows, lawnchairs, et cetera to sit on. For more info: http://www.pfmentum.com While there, be sure to look at our other upcoming events. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 17:09:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05922; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:07:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:07:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <35.8a20db2.26c1c893@aol.com> References: <35.8a20db2.26c1c893@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:06:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Damon, Why CF ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:33 PM -0400 8/8/00, Phaedebk@aol.com wrote: >Kim, > > How about doing something similiar with a (know they're not your cup of >tea) but synth guitar wherein each string is sent to the device as its own >separate loop (shameless RMC Fan-Out Box plug). Hey, there's a 6 channels getting used up rather quickly. yeah, that is what I do with my electric contrabass, it has a pickup on each string and I run them into individual (software) loops via an 8-channel sound card. Kim's right about the interface potentially exploding, but I'm working on some easy-to-remember ways to control multiple loop sends from a single pedal and some other ways to mix their outputs without getting lost in knobs. At this level of complexity it is handy to have a bit-mapped display and soft buttons. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 17:12:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06090; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:10:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:10:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 07:09:20 +1000 X-Sender: simon@mail.dynamite.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200008080326.e783QEi16133@trex.centroin.com.br> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Simon Subject: Re: mpc60 ram upgrade Cc: chrisedu@ig.com.br Resent-Message-ID: <9ZxPn.A.feB.ncHk5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I am just upgrading my old mpc60 with the "Marion mpc-scsi" and system >3.10, software upgrade. Did you buy these second hand recently, and what price were they? >Wanting to know how to upgrade the Ram in the MPC 60? What kind of simms >the MPC uses? The MPC60 uses a special Akai memory board, not standard simms. That will upgrade the MPC from 750KB to 1.5MB. Simon Canberra AUSTRALIA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 17:23:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06655; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:22:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:22:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:21:24 EDT Subject: Re: midi foot contoller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kevin, Sorry dude, didn't mean to imply that I've switched out using the Gibson foot controller for that of the Rocktron All Access (this is pretty much getting used solely with a Roland GR-30 and a Yamaha G-50). Honestly haven't had much of a chance to really play too much with the Echoplex since I upgraded it to 16MB's two months back, been honestly fighting/working with a Chapman Stick and learning the software side of things vs. the hardware at work, ugh... But I should hopefully have a bit of free time coming up near the end of the month and I'll give it a go with the Rocktron and I'll see what I can tell you then... Many an apology, LeeohkinoWired. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 17:36:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07836; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:35:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:35:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39907D74.6E54E94F@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:37:36 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gig plug in so cal, usa References: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C413076D@migarexch01.maritz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Liebig, Steuart A." wrote: > Another great concert bargain from the folks at pfMENTUM: > > Saturday, August 12, 8 PM, $5 > > Art City II, 31 Peking Street, Ventura, California > For Directions: http://www.mapblast.com/ > > Jeff and Steuart > Jeff Kaiser, trumpet and electronics, looping > Steuart Liebig, bass and electronics, looping > > AND > > The Billy Mintz Quartet > Billy Mintz: drums > Jeff D'Angelo: bass > Rob Lockhart: tenor saxophone > Clay Jenkins: trumpet > > NOTE: This concert is inside (physically anyway) BUT there are no chairs. > Please bring blankets, pillows, lawnchairs, et cetera to sit on. > > For more info: http://www.pfmentum.com > While there, be sure to look at our other upcoming events. dang! i'm gonna be out of town this weekend. next time you're on, even if i have to bring my own chair. :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 22:15:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11114; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:14:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:14:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200008090213.WAA17811@mx05.gis.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:13:38 -0400 Subject: updated boomerang From: "paul sullivan" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just wondering if anyone has seen the new version of the Boomerang in stores yet, and if so, what the best price available is. I called Alto music thinking they might have a group buy price for us, but apparently they don't carry them. If anyone has any info, could they please mail me off list? Thanks, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 00:15:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12460; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:14:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:14:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d601c001b8$65dd8340$9af1a118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <3.0.32.20000807201647.0069f1cc@total.net> Subject: Sustainer: First Impressions Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:15:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My Fernandes Fretless Sustainer guitar arrived. After just messing around and enjoying the sheer fretlessness of the thing unplugged, I decided to try the Sustainer features. Well, I flipped both the big black switch and the little black switch to all possible combinations, turned all three knobs to both extremes (haven't owned an electric in 3 years - forgot which way is all the way up and all the way down), and pushed the Tone knob to both positions (push-up, push-down). All to now avail... the Sustainer wasn't sustaining anything!!! After I stopped swearing bloody murder, stopped pulling my hair, and took a few deep breaths, a dim memory came to light. A memory of how the active pickups in my fretless bass would only be activated if a cord was plugged into its jack. Well guess what, when I plugged a cord into my guitar, the Sustainer came to life! I quickly figured out what did what. The little switch turns it on and off. The big one is a regular pickup selector. The tone knob doubles as a switch between sustaining the "fundamental" and sustaining a harmonic. The near volume knob controls master volume while the farther one controls Sustainer intensity. The Fernandes says that some models have a third sustain mode which lets you mix between the first two. Mine doesn't, but I'm too happy to care right now. The first time I heard of the Sustainer and Sustainiac, I thought these things just made the string vibrate and you didn't have to do anything with your right hand as far as plucking. While the Sustainer can in fact function that way, it doesn't have to. What I really like off the bat is that I can do whatever guitaristic things I like with my plucking hand to activate the strings so the attack I want is there. This is possible because of the intensity knob. I can pluck/strum/whatever, then let the Sustainer take over if I want. It is sooo easy now to play something, then dramatically pause and twist the intensity knob to bring in sustained harmonics without having to blow out my neighbor's eardrums with feedback. Another thing I really like is even with all this control, this axe can be a little wild. Even the fundamental sustain mode will can bring in octave harmonics depending on the string and location on the neck you are fretting. And the "fifths" mode doesn't always bring in 5ths. :) And playing with all these sustain modes on a fretless is just exhilirating. I've found I can slide up and down a string and have different harmonics fade in and out with the more extreme intensity settings. To be honest I haven't had this much fun with guitar since the days I was driving my GR700 crazy (thanks to Belew and Gayle Ellett of Djam Karet, I learned that the GR700 doesn't deal well with harmonics - you give it a strong harmonic and it REALLY gets confused and starts spitting crazy stuff all over the place). To me, the icing on the cake is that the guitar itself is actually a pretty decent axe. Unplugged, you can feel the notes resonate through the neck and body like on any quality axe. Amazing how the working class price range guitar has improved in recent years. I found the natural, unplugged sustain of notes at the 12th "fret" and up to be much better than expected (instead of frets, there are metal lines embedded into the fingerboard). About the only modifications I intend to have done is replacing the stock tuners with Sperzel locking tuners and slapping on a hex pickup to drive either a MIDI converter or a Roland VG88. And maybe adding the glass fingerboard retrofit when it becomes available. Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 00:18:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12914; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:17:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:17:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: recommendation anyone? Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:15:25 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <008701c00118$4e94ee80$a32a9d3e@0006303921043200861239070001> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, I like my GP-100 quite a bit. I just think it requires a lot of programming and listening to get the most out of it. And it also has 2 seconds of loop time that you can twist and turn into all kinds of devil voices. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com > Yes indeed, i have the Roland GP 100 and although its a great and > versatile > unit i just can´t get used to it´s preamp digital coldness. I played with > stomp boxes and tube amps for a long time before getting into the > rackmount > digital scene.Effects work wonderful but COSM amp simulation and > all of its > fancy stuff just hasn´t done it for me.Its the difference between instant > coffee and a good fresh brewed espresso! > Any recomendations on a good passive warm analog rackmount preamp > outhere? I > think i am saying goodbye to my Roland! > Luis > > > > > > > . > > > > However, you'll probably want to stay away from the usual guitar > effectors; > > roland, boss etc. I have a couple of 2120 in my stick rack, and there a > > loads of fun, but I wouldn't call them high fidelity, especially the > preamp > > section. > > > ----- > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 00:18:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12898; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:17:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:17:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00da01c001b8$f4cd9d60$9af1a118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <3.0.32.20000807201647.0069f1cc@total.net> Subject: Re: Sustainer pickup review Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:19:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Leduc" To: Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 8:16 PM Subject: Re: Sustainer pickup review > Well, I have to ask the guy from Sustainiac about the new baby.. because, > if it's an active pickup while the sustainer is off, it must suck a little > more the batteries than the simple stealth sustainer... Only if you leave the guitar plugged in, in the case of the Sustainer (can't speak for the Sustainiac - different company and product). As I state in my other post, I found out the hard way that the Sustainer will only work if you plug in a cord. A thoughtful feature accounting for the possibility of the owner putting away the guitar with the switch still set to "on". I'll see how long the battery lasts on mine... Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 00:24:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13568; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:23:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:23:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e801c001b9$ccf8aa40$9af1a118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <001201c00152$10e40960$47ff0b3f@micron.net> Subject: Re: Sustainiac Sustainer Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:25:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Theoretically, a huge explosion. I still have my E-bow in addition to my new Sustainer guitar. If you don't hear about a huge crater where Central Florida used to be, then you'll know I survived the experiment. Paolo ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 12:02 PM Subject: Re: Sustainiac Sustainer > This Sustainer sounds like a great addition to my venerable Les Paul, but I > must say I love the E-bow for the variety of attacks, chirps, and squeals it > produces. What happens if you combine the two? > > David Linn > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 00:41:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13926; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:39:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:39:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010001c001bb$d3713de0$9af1a118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <008701c00118$4e94ee80$a32a9d3e@0006303921043200861239070001> Subject: Re: recommendation anyone? Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:39:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Allan Holdsworth is (was??? he's been known to use a VG8 and Yamaha DG10 too these days) a big proponent of skipping the preamp altogether and using an entire tube amp head as the preamp. You take the speaker output and run it into a box that converts it into a line-level signal. Rocktron used to sell the Holdsworth Juice Extractor for this purpose, and Allan himself made them on a per order basis for a while. There may be similar products out there such as the Lexicon "recording amp". Paolo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Angulo" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 5:00 AM Subject: Re: recommendation anyone? > Any recomendations on a good passive warm analog rackmount preamp outhere? I > think i am saying goodbye to my Roland! > Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 00:55:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14291; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:54:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:54:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010b01c001bd$fbf72a20$9af1a118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <200008080403.AAA22069@hemlock.violacea.com> <3966BECB.55B38EB5@dial.pipex.com> Subject: Re: Sustainer Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:55:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth Whittock" To: Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 1:40 AM Subject: Re: Sustainer > and how much for the unit ? At http://www.sustainiac.com/ it says $199-$229 for the "stealth" models. If you want them to install it in your guitar, you pay extra for the labor. $279 for the Model B (the external unit that mounds on your headstock and has a floor component which appears to be powered by a wall wart AC adaptor. > and can you fit it yourself or do you have to send your guitar off to > have it fitted ? Model B requires very little labor. The Stealths obviously require more labor, but how much depends on whether routing and all that is required. The web page has more and better info. > I use an Ebow most of the time. I always got the impression that the > sustainer was a little weak in terms of its attack. I would guess it depends on the amp setup you use. I would imagine the "no pluck"/swelling attack would be plenty intense through a full Marshall stack. :) I personally am more interested in using normal guitaristic techniques to supply the attack and letting the Sustainer add the sustain. > I'd appreciate people's experience in this area. In my limited experience, I find I prefer having the Sustainer circuit onboard as opposed to pedal-activated (Model B) because I can adjust the intensity with a quick knob twist right on the guitar. And I already prefer it to the E-Bow because I can use the full range of guitar techniques (not that I'm that great, but the less restrictions the better). Still, I'm keeping my E-Bow for use with my bass and the ability to position it anywhere on the string (the Sustainer pretty much stays in one place in relation to the string). Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 01:03:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14610; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:02:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:02:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAs4YWt8Rvcra2Km4sicI8RkVDlhICFG2T9DQannihr4Qutxs242vUtZcH From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:02:08 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Video ? Message-ID: <1759-3990E5D0-1706@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Did I hear someone else mention a desire for a tutorial video ?!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 01:26:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15113; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:25:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:25:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.72] From: "G716" To: "Luis Angulo" , References: <008701c00118$4e94ee80$a32a9d3e@0006303921043200861239070001> Subject: Re: recommendation anyone? Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:26:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2000 05:24:12.0103 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D135D70:01C001C2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Before you dump your Roland, try out one of those small modeling dohickeys such as the POD, J-station, Yamaha stomp-something-or-other. They are *NOT* the Holy Grail, but they're pretty darn good for the money, very portable, and quite flexible. I've got a BOSS GX-700 (baby brother to the GP 100) and find it's COSM sounds to be nothing close to the real thing. However I have become a bigger fan of the ultra-clean (cold?), non-traditional tones. I keep my POD wired into the GX-700's effects loop, and when I want to warm it up a bit I simply punch in the POD. Plugging into a vintage amp it is not, but I do have a huge array of vastly different sounds from the most crytsaline clean to a pretty grungy growl. As this setup plugs directly into a PA or mixer, you don't have to tote a huge tube amp around either. Mandatory loop content: .... none, sorry. >Yes indeed, i have the Roland GP 100 and although its a great and versatile > unit i just can´t get used to it´s preamp digital coldness. I played with ... > I think i am saying goodbye to my Roland! > Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 01:34:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15451; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:33:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:33:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c001c3$4111a5e0$c0a0d8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <1759-3990E5D0-1706@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: EDP Video ? Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:32:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uh, with all due respect, isn't it pretty easy to use? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jordan Pease" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 10:02 PM Subject: EDP Video ? > Did I hear someone else mention a desire for a tutorial video ?!!!!! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 03:36:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16850; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:34:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:34:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200008090733.AAA09441@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 00:33:45 -0800 Subject: Re: recommendation anyone? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use that idea somewhat like that-I have a THD HOT PLATE-from the owners manual-'the hot plate can function as a high quality direct box, allowing you to send the amp's signal to a mixing board,a separate power amplifier or a rack mount effects without miking the speaker(s).'They have Hot Plates w/ different ohms for different amp loads and I just have to say its one of the best (tone) sounds I've ever come across...seeya,STANNER ---------- >From: "pvallad1" >To: >Subject: Re: recommendation anyone? >Date: Tue, Aug 8, 2000, 8:39 PM > > Allan Holdsworth is (was??? he's been known to use a VG8 and Yamaha DG10 too > these days) a big proponent of skipping the preamp altogether and using an > entire tube amp head as the preamp. You take the speaker output and run it > into a box that converts it into a line-level signal. Rocktron used to sell > the Holdsworth Juice Extractor for this purpose, and Allan himself made them > on a per order basis for a while. There may be similar products out there > such as the Lexicon "recording amp". > > Paolo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luis Angulo" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 5:00 AM > Subject: Re: recommendation anyone? > > >> Any recomendations on a good passive warm analog rackmount preamp outhere? I >> think i am saying goodbye to my Roland! >> Luis > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 03:41:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17068; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:40:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:40:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 00:32:58 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Damon, Why CF ? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <35.8a20db2.26c1c893@aol.com> <35.8a20db2.26c1c893@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:06 PM -0700 8/8/00, Alex Stahl wrote: > >Kim's right about the interface potentially exploding, but I'm >working on some easy-to-remember ways to control multiple loop sends >from a single pedal and some other ways to mix their outputs without >getting lost in knobs. At this level of complexity it is handy to >have a bit-mapped display and soft buttons. I think the real trick is to stop trying to force recording studio interfaces into real-time, performance oriented looping. It's a dead end. you need to think of the problem in new ways. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 03:55:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17583; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:54:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:54:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: mhamburg@elroy Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:54:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Sustainiac Sustainer Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've tried Fernandes guitars with sustainers a couple of times in stores. The thing that's frustrated me relative to the E-bow is that if the sustain was up high enough to get notes to hold really well while sliding/hammering/pulling off/etc., the other strings tended to start vibrating as well. Does the Sustainiac also have this issue? If I get one am I just going to have to start putting effort into muting the other strings? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 04:33:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18112; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:31:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:31:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: EDP Video ? Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:29:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-reply-to: <001301c001c3$4111a5e0$c0a0d8cc@gary> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No. | -----Original Message----- | From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:relayonemanband@cts.com] | Sent: Tuesday 08 August 2000 10:33 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: Re: EDP Video ? | | | Uh, with all due respect, isn't it pretty easy to use? | Gary | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Jordan Pease" | To: | Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 10:02 PM | Subject: EDP Video ? | | | > Did I hear someone else mention a desire for a tutorial video ?!!!!! | > | > | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 04:46:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18613; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:45:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:45:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 01:42:09 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Video ? In-reply-to: <001301c001c3$4111a5e0$c0a0d8cc@gary> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <1759-3990E5D0-1706@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, if you have some questions, please feel free to simply ask them here and somebody will answer. If you are already using the echoplex, by now you have probably figured out everything that would be covered in a video anyway. The basic functions of the echoplex are pretty straightforward, and a video would probably not cover much more than that anyway. Matthias and I are sort of busy with other projects at the moment to be making videos, but if somebody sends us lots of money to pay for it, maybe we'll make one. :-) kim At 10:32 PM -0700 8/8/00, Gary Lehmann wrote: >Uh, with all due respect, isn't it pretty easy to use? >Gary > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jordan Pease" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 10:02 PM >Subject: EDP Video ? > > >> Did I hear someone else mention a desire for a tutorial video ?!!!!! >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 05:10:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA18989; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 05:09:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 05:09:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 02:00:51 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: EDP Video ? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <001301c001c3$4111a5e0$c0a0d8cc@gary> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what did you try to do that you had trouble with? If you never ask, nobody will teach you.... In comparison, I spent 17 years trying to learn jazz guitar and never really figured it out. I've been banging on a drumset for a couple of years and still lose time when I try to do fills. I think the echoplex is way easier. You can learn a couple of basic functions in a few minutes and have fun with it for weeks. kim At 1:29 AM -0700 8/9/00, Javier Miranda V. wrote: >No. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:relayonemanband@cts.com] > | Sent: Tuesday 08 August 2000 10:33 PM > | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > | Subject: Re: EDP Video ? > | > | > | Uh, with all due respect, isn't it pretty easy to use? > | Gary > | > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "Jordan Pease" > | To: > | Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 10:02 PM > | Subject: EDP Video ? > | > | > | > Did I hear someone else mention a desire for a tutorial video ?!!!!! > | > > | > > | > | ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 05:20:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA19511; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 05:19:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 05:19:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003e01c001e3$16ce59c0$64229fc1@0006303921043200861239070001> Reply-To: "Luis Angulo" From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: Subject: Re: midi foot contoller Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:41:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There has been quite a bit of discussion over a better EDP foot switcher. Here is a tip Matthias gave us a while ago and what he is personally using. Maybe we should really get this company(bepesco) to build them (or one of you electronic wizards) for us! I have unfortunately no idea of electronics but how complicated is it to build something like that? L.A. I use modified bespeco pedals. They look exactly like the Roland. The original construction has a long action. So I build a plastic part into it to reduce it and use a keyboard type of switch. I think I talked about it before. I showed the modified bespeco switches to Gibson (since we used them for the PARADIS LOOP delay), but they did not like the price... If there are more users interested, we should either - convince some enterprise like bespeco to build those kind of switches or - ask Gibson to manufacture a more expensive pedal or - put a description of the mod on our site for DIY. As for now, there are many higher priced, usualy tiny cylindric switches that dont fail. You would have to adapt them with a washer to fit in the whole and maybe adapt a bigger button... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 05:20:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA19383; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 05:19:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 05:19:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c001e3$1615b820$64229fc1@0006303921043200861239070001> Reply-To: "Luis Angulo" From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <008701c00118$4e94ee80$a32a9d3e@0006303921043200861239070001> Subject: Re: recommendation anyone? Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:41:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Maybe i haven´t found the correct way to use it. I plug it direct into my amp and the preamp section sounds good, i plug it in the effects loop and the delays reverbs etc. sound better than straight into the amp but the preamp section is weak. .Would it make a difference using it in conjunction with a power amp like the simulclass 90 rather than a tube amp? Thanks for your tips! L.A. > Plugging into a vintage amp it is not, but I do have a huge array of vastly > different sounds from the most crytsaline clean to a pretty grungy growl. > As this setup plugs directly into a PA or mixer, you don't have to tote a > huge tube amp around either. > > Mandatory loop content: .... none, sorry. > > >Yes indeed, i have the Roland GP 100 and although its a great and versatile > > unit i just can´t get used to it´s preamp digital coldness. I played with > ... > > I think i am saying goodbye to my Roland! > > Luis > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 05:26:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA19910; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 05:25:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 05:25:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c001e3$c7fbdd30$a0a26099@izmmpc33.izm-m.fhg.de> Reply-To: "Rainer Straschill" From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: Korg DL8000 R Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:25:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone looping experience with this device ? Is it any good ? What can be done with it and what can't ? Is it worth something like $300 used ? Thanks, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 05:33:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA20215; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 05:31:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 05:31:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: recommendation anyone? Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 05:27:52 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <003d01c001e3$1615b820$64229fc1@0006303921043200861239070001> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use mine plugged into a Mackie 1202VLZ ('Plex in the aux send of the mixer) and then into JBL EON powered full range speakers (15s & a horn in each)- I actually never liked the sound of a GP-100 into a guitar amp either. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Hi, > Maybe i haven´t found the correct way to use it. I plug it direct into my > amp and the preamp section sounds good, i plug it in the effects loop and > the delays reverbs etc. sound better than straight into the amp but the > preamp section is weak. .Would it make a difference using it in > conjunction > with a power amp like the simulclass 90 rather than a tube amp? > Thanks for your tips! > L.A. > > > > > > > > > > > Plugging into a vintage amp it is not, but I do have a huge array of > vastly > > different sounds from the most crytsaline clean to a pretty > grungy growl. > > As this setup plugs directly into a PA or mixer, you don't have > to tote a > > huge tube amp around either. > > > > Mandatory loop content: .... none, sorry. > > > > >Yes indeed, i have the Roland GP 100 and although its a great and > versatile > > > unit i just can´t get used to it´s preamp digital coldness. I played > with > > ... > > > I think i am saying goodbye to my Roland! > > > Luis > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 08:18:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21351; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:16:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:16:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c001fb$68e48640$68f538cb@swoods> From: "stevenw" To: References: Subject: Re: recommendation anyone? Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:14:41 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I want to buy a new amp too and am interested in buying the Roland VGA 7 guitar amp with effects but the COSM comments I have read I agree with so thats a pity. Also Fender are releasing an amp in Jan 2001 Namm which has Tubes and DSP and I would like to check that out too. Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: future perfect To: Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 7:27 PM Subject: RE: recommendation anyone? > I use mine plugged into a Mackie 1202VLZ ('Plex in the aux send of the > mixer) and then into JBL EON powered full range speakers (15s & a horn in > each)- I actually never liked the sound of a GP-100 into a guitar amp > either. > > Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > Hi, > > Maybe i haven´t found the correct way to use it. I plug it direct into my > > amp and the preamp section sounds good, i plug it in the effects loop and > > the delays reverbs etc. sound better than straight into the amp but the > > preamp section is weak. .Would it make a difference using it in > > conjunction > > with a power amp like the simulclass 90 rather than a tube amp? > > Thanks for your tips! > > L.A. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Plugging into a vintage amp it is not, but I do have a huge array of > > vastly > > > different sounds from the most crytsaline clean to a pretty > > grungy growl. > > > As this setup plugs directly into a PA or mixer, you don't have > > to tote a > > > huge tube amp around either. > > > > > > Mandatory loop content: .... none, sorry. > > > > > > >Yes indeed, i have the Roland GP 100 and although its a great and > > versatile > > > > unit i just can´t get used to it´s preamp digital coldness. I played > > with > > > ... > > > > I think i am saying goodbye to my Roland! > > > > Luis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 09:04:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21997; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:03:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:03:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <138FAF0D3722D311BAD00000F8093163227E25@hdo-exchange.corporate.southam.ca> From: "Bailey, Jim" To: "'looppost'" Subject: Infinite guitar/Sustainiac Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:53:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <_QlYsD.A.HXF.QZVk5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Having just read some of the posts on the above topic, I thought I'd pass on this from "Breakdown," the Michael Brook mail list. My apologies to M. Leduc for appropriating his post without permission, but I wanted to seize the moment. Jim Bailey > -----Original Message----- > From: Christian Leduc [mailto:chleduc@total.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 5:27 PM > To: breakdown@egroups.com > Subject: Breakdown | Infinite guitar/Sustainiac > > > Hello, I had an interesting little conversation with the guy > form Maniac > Music, Alan Hoover. A great great guy. I've had a couple of > questions about > the new Stealth plus (Sustainer+ pickup). And I asked him if > there was an > historical link between the sustainiac and the infinite > guitar. I thought > it can be of some interest to post a part of his answer: > > "We first made our acoustic type sustainer in 1986 (the > Sustainiac Model T, > soon followed by the Model B). Then, we heard about the > Brook Infinite > Guitar when U2 played in Indianapolis in late 1986, as I > remember. Edge's > guitar tech called us, and allowed us to play a few notes on > the instrument > after the afternoon sound check. I thought that seemed like > a neat way to > make sustain, so we designed our own version of such a sustainer after > looking at the I.G. > > The Infinite Guitar used a regular Duncan stack pickup for a > driver. Since > this is a high impedance device, it requires around 100 volts of drive > signal to produce adequate magnetic drive into the strings. > This seemed > kind of crazy to me, so shortly after that the Sustainiac > GA-1 was born. We > made a low-impedance driver so that the sustainer would run > efficiently on > batteries. The driver could be used as a pickup by attaching > a transformer > or amplifier to its output in order to increase the voltage output. > > The "G" is for Gary Osborne, my partner in Maniac Music. > This was followed > soon after by the GA-2. We subsequently filed and were > granted several > patents on our refinements that allowed the magnetic > sustainer to be used as > a practical, manufacturable device. We never attempted to > patent any of the > basic principles, such as a pickup being used in reverse to drive the > strings, because we always felt that that credit belonged to > Michael Brook. > > Curiously, Michael (whom I met and talked to at length in 1990) never > followed up with his British patent that he filed sometime > around the 1985 > timeframe. Typically, patent offices reject first applications over > technicalities. It is up to the inventor to persist and > argue his/her case. > Michael gave up and didn't argue his case, so he never got a > patent. He > told me in conversation that he was very busy, and also > really didn't know > that you could present an argument and maybe get your patent. > > Then, Floyd Rose et al got a U.S. patent on a magnetic > sustainer driver in > 1990. Curiously, they claim never to have heard of the Brook > device prior > to making their sustainer. I know of no facts to contradict > this. We have > a patent cross-licensing agreement with them." > > Well, I hope I didn't break a top secret thing (for MB and > for M. Hoover), > but it was interesting. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 10:11:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23004; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:10:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:10:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <399165AD.F180B9F5@virtulink.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:07:42 -0400 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sustainiac Sustainer References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Hamburg wrote: > > I've tried Fernandes guitars with sustainers a couple of times in stores. > The thing that's frustrated me relative to the E-bow is that if the sustain > was up high enough to get notes to hold really well while > sliding/hammering/pulling off/etc., the other strings tended to start > vibrating as well. Does the Sustainiac also have this issue? If I get one > am I just going to have to start putting effort into muting the other > strings? If you had a guitar plugged into a very loud amp, you'd have to mute the strings anyway. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 11:32:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24196; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:30:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:30:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 08:29:06 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , , , Subject: Yet another shameless gig announcement... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA24151 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Miko Biffle | Nathan Fuhr | COBRA! Join Santa Cruz experimental musician Miko Biffle and Cabrillo Music Festival conducting assistant Nathan Fuhr (Cobra Ensemble-Cincinatti) for their performance of John Zorn's improvisational game piece COBRA. Including members of Estradasphere and members of the CabFest orchestra; expect the unexpected in this game of musical chance. Monday, August 14th, 8:30 PM at the Art League Theater, 526 Broadway St. Santa Cruz. California, US $5.00. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 12:56:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25837; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:55:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:55:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.75] From: "G716" To: Subject: Some Sustainiac History Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:54:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2000 16:54:32.0902 (UTC) FILETIME=[7DCBB660:01C00222] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a fit of timeliness, this post just came across the normally silent Michael Brook discussion group: ------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:27:27 -0400 From: Subject: Infinite guitar/Sustainiac Hello, I had an interesting little conversation with the guy form Maniac Music, Alan Hoover. A great great guy. I've had a couple of questions about the new Stealth plus (Sustainer+ pickup). And I asked him if there was an historical link between the sustainiac and the infinite guitar. I thought it can be of some interest to post a part of his answer: "We first made our acoustic type sustainer in 1986 (the Sustainiac Model T, soon followed by the Model B). Then, we heard about the Brook Infinite Guitar when U2 played in Indianapolis in late 1986, as I remember. Edge's guitar tech called us, and allowed us to play a few notes on the instrument after the afternoon sound check. I thought that seemed like a neat way to make sustain, so we designed our own version of such a sustainer after looking at the I.G. The Infinite Guitar used a regular Duncan stack pickup for a driver. Since this is a high impedance device, it requires around 100 volts of drive signal to produce adequate magnetic drive into the strings. This seemed kind of crazy to me, so shortly after that the Sustainiac GA-1 was born. We made a low-impedance driver so that the sustainer would run efficiently on batteries. The driver could be used as a pickup by attaching a transformer or amplifier to its output in order to increase the voltage output. The "G" is for Gary Osborne, my partner in Maniac Music. This was followed soon after by the GA-2. We subsequently filed and were granted several patents on our refinements that allowed the magnetic sustainer to be used as a practical, manufacturable device. We never attempted to patent any of the basic principles, such as a pickup being used in reverse to drive the strings, because we always felt that that credit belonged to Michael Brook. Curiously, Michael (whom I met and talked to at length in 1990) never followed up with his British patent that he filed sometime around the 1985 timeframe. Typically, patent offices reject first applications over technicalities. It is up to the inventor to persist and argue his/her case. Michael gave up and didn't argue his case, so he never got a patent. He told me in conversation that he was very busy, and also really didn't know that you could present an argument and maybe get your patent. Then, Floyd Rose et al got a U.S. patent on a magnetic sustainer driver in 1990. Curiously, they claim never to have heard of the Brook device prior to making their sustainer. I know of no facts to contradict this. We have a patent cross-licensing agreement with them." Well, I hope I didn't break a top secret thing (for MB and for M. Hoover), but it was interesting. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 13:18:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26434; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:17:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:17:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:16:12 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Subject: Re: SQUID [8/11] Space Music and Projected Arts Festival 2000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA26254 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just got this on the Squid List... thought it might be of interest to our SF bay area contingent. -Miko ****************************************** Space Music and Projected Arts Festival 2000 A feast for the ears and eyes - an extravaganza of sight and sound. This event will showcase some of the Bay Area's foremost cutting-edge "space" and "trance" rock music projects, whose performances will be choreographed to mind-blowing surrealist projected visual arts. Friday, August 11, 2000 8pm - 2am CELL space 2050 Bryant St (between 18th and 19th Streets) San Francisco, CA 94110 Bay Area visual artists will debut their projected images throughout the evening. Astral projections by Nouzha, organic visuals by Spot, and more. Musical lineup includes: Azigza, Gong Matrix, Handmaiden America, Jai Young Kim and vocalist Jessica Quattro, the Neurohumors, Mushroom, and electronic ambient music by Kurt Stenzel. This event will be a benefit for the "Save San Francisco" artist space preservation ballot measure. $6 - $10 sliding scale door. For info call 415.642.1466. http://www.lionharp.com/azigza/spacemusic.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 14:26:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27796; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:25:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:25:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:23:20 -0700 Subject: Re: Updated Boomerang From: Larry Stites To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200008090213.WAA17811@mx05.gis.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm interested in knowing about the update to the Boomerang as well. I have one be sent to me today and will upgrade it as soon as possible. If anybody has information please post. Larry Stites Golden Gate Networks 1 530 478 7960 > From: "paul sullivan" > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:13:38 -0400 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: updated boomerang > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:15:07 -0400 > > Just wondering if anyone has seen the new version of the Boomerang in stores > yet, and if so, what the best price available is. I called Alto music > thinking they might have a group buy price for us, but apparently they don't > carry them. If anyone has any info, could they please mail me off list? > > Thanks, > > Paul > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 16:54:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30165; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:52:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:52:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F9132952@mail.davitt-hanser.com> From: Todd Quincy To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: good plex news Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:54:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com a few months ago i posted that my plex was scratchy and acting up. I had the plex fully loaded with 4 minutes of memory and everything was great until a 2 months ago. By Shane Radtke suggestions I reinstalled the original memory to test and perhaps trace the problem and to my loopers delight all was perfect. I've seen others post a similar problem. I suggest you do this before paying for a repair. Todd Quincy BC Rich, Kustom, PowerWerks, Davitt & Hanser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 17:06:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30650; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:05:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:05:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: good plex news Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:09:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-reply-to: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F9132952@mail.davitt-hanser.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-6B7UD.A.ccH.odck5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If the Echoplex works like computers, and in this situation it probably does, you can also try the following when this problem occurs: * - Assuming there's more than one SIMM connector in the Plex, try moving the SIMMs to different connectors. Here, you're not just re-installing the memory... you're moving it around to different connectors inside the unit. * - Believe it or not, some systems are pretty picky about the memory that's installed... a lot of times just replacing the memory with memory made by another manufacturer can make a difference. In my case (and with computers, mind you), I've seen both of these techniques work for me to eliminate seemingly random, intermittent memory problems. I don't know if this will work with an Echoplex, but if you're having this sort of problem, it's certainly worth a try... and the first alternative above is free to boot! Take care all, Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Quincy [mailto:tquincy@sayhhi.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 1:55 PM > To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' > Subject: good plex news > > > a few months ago i posted that my plex was scratchy and acting > up. I had the > plex fully loaded with 4 minutes of memory and everything was > great until a > 2 months ago. > > By Shane Radtke suggestions I reinstalled the original memory to test and > perhaps trace the problem and to my loopers delight all was perfect. > > I've seen others post a similar problem. I suggest you do this > before paying > for a repair. > > Todd Quincy > BC Rich, Kustom, PowerWerks, Davitt & Hanser > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 17:41:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31440; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:39:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:39:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000809173844.006a6394@total.net> X-Sender: chleduc@total.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 17:38:50 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Christian Leduc Subject: Re: Infinite guitar/Sustainiac Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not a problem, Jim.. :) "Seize the moment" is a big thing for a little little post... :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 17:55:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32033; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:53:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:53:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.11.2.20000809165107.02b57710@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: redmoon/mail.redmoon-music.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.0.11 (Beta) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:51:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Big Briar News - CP-251!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Big Briar has started shipping the long awaited CP-251 control processor!!! http://www.bigbriar.com/mfCP251.htm My collaboration partner got her's yesterday (she had ordered direct) and my dealer (Rogue Music) got a load in yesterday as well. I'll have mine for the weekend. If you're looking around for one, try: MusicCentral http://www.primenet.com/~mika/MusicCentral/ John Mika [vco@primenet.com] Rogue Music http://www.roguemusic.com/ Dick Michaels [roguemus@ix.netcom.com] Both of these guys have them in stock. Next Stop: The MF-104 Delay!!! Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 18:12:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00677; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:11:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:11:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ab01c0024e$d6dbaf40$9af1a118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: Subject: Re: Sustainiac Sustainer Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:11:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have not had that problem with my Fernandes. Conventional muting technique works fine for me. Paolo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 2:54 AM Subject: Re: Sustainiac Sustainer > I've tried Fernandes guitars with sustainers a couple of times in stores. > The thing that's frustrated me relative to the E-bow is that if the sustain > was up high enough to get notes to hold really well while > sliding/hammering/pulling off/etc., the other strings tended to start > vibrating as well. Does the Sustainiac also have this issue? If I get one > am I just going to have to start putting effort into muting the other > strings? > > Mark > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 18:15:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01143; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:13:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:13:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b301c0024f$4d1270e0$9af1a118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <3.0.32.20000807201647.0069f1cc@total.net> <00d601c001b8$65dd8340$9af1a118@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: Sustainer: First Impressions Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:15:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <8ZSe4.A.gO.-ddk5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quick followup observation: I find that the highest string does not sustain as easily as the lower strings. I believe it is because the guitar came set up with 009s. As with the E-bow, this technology seems to work better with thicker strings. I'm adding "replace strings with 011s" to my little list of modifications to make to my new axe. Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 18:15:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01273; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:14:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:14:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.webslingerZ.com: sburnett owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:13:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Burnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Big Briar News - CP-251!! In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.11.2.20000809165107.02b57710@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Mark Pulver wrote: > Big Briar has started shipping the long awaited CP-251 control processor!!! > > http://www.bigbriar.com/mfCP251.htm > > My collaboration partner got her's yesterday (she had ordered direct) and > my dealer (Rogue Music) got a load in yesterday as well. I'll have mine for > the weekend. I've had mine for about three weeks now, and they just shipped the manual to me today - I've been trying to figure what to do with this thing for a few weeks. Now that I see the manual, I see all the potential I've been missing in this thing. Wow. Cool. For those of you who like racking your gear, I quote from the manual: "with its wood endcaps removed, your CP251 is exactly the right size for a 3-unit high, half-rack space." Cool: I have one friend who loves my moogerfooger ring modulator, but would love it more if it was a rackmount configration rather than a desktop/stompbox design rig. > Next Stop: The MF-104 Delay!!! Waiting, waiting - my wife's been making the same joke about "the delay pedal must be really effective - it's delaying itself!" over, and over, sort of a looped joke. regards, Steve -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 18:30:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01864; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:28:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:28:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:27:06 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Sustainer: First Impressions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA01703 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I find that the highest string does not sustain as easily as the lower strings. I believe it is because the guitar came set up with 009s. As with the E-bow, this technology seems to work better with thicker strings. I'm adding "replace strings with 011s" to my little list of modifications to make to my new axe. Paolo Hi Paolo... Have you played around with adjusting pickup height? I use .010's and have fairly even response across the board. The low E string takes a little more time to rise through overtones than the others with my sustainiac. -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 18:32:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02090; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:30:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:30:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3991DAD9.D858DACF@virtulink.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 18:27:37 -0400 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sustainer: First Impressions References: <3.0.32.20000807201647.0069f1cc@total.net> <00d601c001b8$65dd8340$9af1a118@tampabay.rr.com> <00b301c0024f$4d1270e0$9af1a118@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com pvallad1 wrote: > > Quick followup observation: > > I find that the highest string does not sustain as easily as the lower > strings. I believe it is because the guitar came set up with 009s. As with > the E-bow, this technology seems to work better with thicker strings. I'm > adding "replace strings with 011s" to my little list of modifications to make > to my new axe. What is the fingerboard made of? Wood fingerboards don't sustain that well on the top strings. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 22:53:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06003; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:51:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:51:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3992150F.A1D27D2F@home.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 19:35:59 -0700 From: Damon Langlois Reply-To: damon-langlois@home.com Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05C-AtHome0403 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: studio interfaces on loopers References: <200008091304.JAA22181@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I think the real trick is to stop trying to force recording studio >interfaces into real-time, performance oriented looping. It's a dead end. >you need to think of the problem in new ways. >kim Why do think this is a dead end Kim? I think finding a familiar paradigm could help. loopers are essentially recording boxes so why not take what is familiar and use it where appropriate. Look at ACID. Damon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 23:22:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06600; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:21:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:21:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010b01c0027a$2fe0c820$9af1a118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <3.0.32.20000807201647.0069f1cc@total.net> <00d601c001b8$65dd8340$9af1a118@tampabay.rr.com> <00b301c0024f$4d1270e0$9af1a118@tampabay.rr.com> <3991DAD9.D858DACF@virtulink.com> Subject: Re: Sustainer: First Impressions Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:22:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was actually referring to the interaction of the high E string with the Sustainer. I should have phrased my statement as "I find the high E string is not as easily _activated by the Sustainer_ as the lower strings are". Although now that you bring it up, my fretless guitar has a rosewood fingerboard with metal fret lines. The _natural_ sustain and decay characteristics of the high notes on the high strings are better than I thought they would be. I attribute this to proper low-action setup and the quality construction of the instrument. It's good enough that I'm now seriously considering ordering an acoustic fretless from them for my "couch-and-TV" guitar noodling... err... practice sessions. To me, the main issue that I had with having a wood fingerboard is the grinding of grooves into the wood by the strings. That's why the guitar was shipped with Elixir coated roundwounds to go with the upper string flatwounds. When the glass fingerboard retrofit becomes available, this should open up opportunities to experiment with a wider variety of roundwound strings. Paolo ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Beardsley" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 6:27 PM Subject: Re: Sustainer: First Impressions > pvallad1 wrote: > > > > Quick followup observation: > > > > I find that the highest string does not sustain as easily as the lower > > strings. I believe it is because the guitar came set up with 009s. As with > > the E-bow, this technology seems to work better with thicker strings. I'm > > adding "replace strings with 011s" to my little list of modifications to make > > to my new axe. > > What is the fingerboard made of? Wood fingerboards > don't sustain that well on the top strings. > > > -- > * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y > * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" > * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 23:46:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07087; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:45:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:45:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012f01c0027d$9662d180$9af1a118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <20000808055844.22072.qmail@web209.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:46:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's good to hear. I was thinking it would be fun to tune some of the pads to just pitches (as in just intonation) or Indonesian scales, loop a gamelon-like pattern, and MIDI sync it to a syncable audio looper playing loops of my fretless guitar. Paolo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 1:58 AM Subject: Re: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) > > Silly question, though... Are the pitches tunable on > > this thing? > > Yes, tunable pitches. There are three knob which in > one mode are used to set the level, pitch, and pan for > the sounds mapped to any of the pads in realtime, or > they can be set in the patch; -2400 to +2400 cents. > > the thing is so much fun to play i've not cracked the > manual much yet. > > > > ===== > Stephen > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 00:57:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08615; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:55:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:55:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <35.8a20db2.26c1c893@aol.com> <35.8a20db2.26c1c893@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:54:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Damon, Why CF ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:32 AM -0700 8/9/00, Kim Flint wrote: >At 2:06 PM -0700 8/8/00, Alex Stahl wrote: > > > >Kim's right about the interface potentially exploding, but I'm > >working on some easy-to-remember ways to control multiple loop sends > >from a single pedal and some other ways to mix their outputs without > >getting lost in knobs. At this level of complexity it is handy to > >have a bit-mapped display and soft buttons. > >I think the real trick is to stop trying to force recording studio >interfaces into real-time, performance oriented looping. It's a dead end. >you need to think of the problem in new ways. Sure, it is easy to imagine a "performance gesture" which involves simultaneous manipulation of several dozen parameters in a multichannel, multiloop, multieffect device. For example, you might want to crossfade from recording into loop 1 while loop 2 plays back at half speed with reverb, to, cross-connecting the feedback from loops 3 & 4 while fading out loop 2 and re-ordering the bars in loop1, etc etc etc. I don't know about others on this list, but I don't have enough appendages to simultaneously adjust 12 pedals or faders. But I do find that the familiarity of a "recording studio interface" is fine for tweaking presets, or dialing in a layering of loops. But in performance I am not very excited by clicking through presets. I'd rather move around continuously between various interesting and complicated settings, zooming in and out between macro and micro gestures. So one interesting avenue of exploration, for me at least, is to work with placing presets in a spatial arrangement, then using some kind of multiaxis controller (like a joystick or my "joypedal") to move around in the sound space defined by the placement of these presets, interpolating between them. I've used this a lot for effects control (simple example: lower left corner= dry, lower right= thick delay/reverb/wash, upper left= grungy, upper right = the whole nine yards). I've been recently extending the idea to loop control, and find it pretty intriguing. To be fair, I must add that the usual interfaces for real-time performance oriented electronics are easily as much a dead end as any studio paradigm. -Alex From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 01:13:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09126; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:11:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:11:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014701c00289$b097fe20$9af1a118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <35.8a20db2.26c1c893@aol.com> <35.8a20db2.26c1c893@aol.com> Subject: Harvey's new MAX-in-a-box Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:13:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Harvey Starr of Starrlabs just announced on the midi-guitar list a new product called the EventStation: http://www.starrlabs.com/percussion.html In Harvey's words: "The EventStation was originally intended as a percussion brain but we soon discovered that its MIDI control features would be useful to any instrumentalist." You can plug various input devices into it from breath controllers to pressure pads to MIDI devices. As to how you want to process the incoming data... I don't even want to try to describe it here - it's better to see the website yourself. I'm sure there are applications pertaining to realtime looping that can be found in this thing. I think his description of this item as a Max-in-a-box is pretty fair. Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 01:48:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09896; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:46:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:46:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:56:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Pafford X-Sender: todd@galen.local.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Damon, Why CF ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Alex Stahl wrote: > At 12:32 AM -0700 8/9/00, Kim Flint wrote: > > Sure, it is easy to imagine a "performance gesture" which involves > simultaneous manipulation of several dozen parameters ... I'd > rather move around continuously between various interesting and > complicated settings, zooming in and out between macro and micro > gestures. > > So one interesting avenue of exploration, for me at least, is to work > with placing presets in a spatial arrangement, then using some kind > of multiaxis controller (like a joystick or my "joypedal") to move > around in the sound space defined by the placement of these presets, > interpolating between them. > > I've used this a lot for effects control (simple example: lower left > corner= dry, lower right= thick delay/reverb/wash, upper left= > grungy, upper right = the whole nine yards). I've been recently > extending the idea to loop control, and find it pretty intriguing. > Hey, that joystick idea sounds cool. I'd love to fiddle around with something like that. Maybe time to whip out the soldering iron again. :) Your mention of gestures reminded me of a page I stumbled on recently while cruising through the Paia web site. This guy has wired up three of Paia's Theramaxes (Theramin) as continuous controlers. He's mounted them so that movement of his body as he plays can control various effect parameters. Check out http://www.paia.com/georgemc.htm for a couple pics and paragraphs about his set up. Looks really interesting. I'd love to be able to stick my foot out for a sudden outrageous distorted feedback howl or something...maybe wave a pinky to send the bass player into reverb hell...muhahaha.... --- "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake Todd Pafford galen@erols.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 01:50:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10097; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:49:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:49:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c0028e$acdab5c0$12ddd8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <35.8a20db2.26c1c893@aol.com> <35.8a20db2.26c1c893@aol.com> Subject: EDP Video Dreams Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:48:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Sure, it is easy to imagine a "performance gesture" which involves > simultaneous manipulation of several dozen parameters in a > multichannel, multiloop, multieffect device. For example, you might > want to crossfade from recording into loop 1 while loop 2 plays back > at half speed with reverb, to, cross-connecting the feedback from > loops 3 & 4 while fading out loop 2 and re-ordering the bars in > loop1, etc etc etc. > > I don't know about others on this list, but I don't have enough > appendages to simultaneously adjust 12 pedals or faders. Say! Is this what you mean by "no" in reply to the question of whether the EDP is intuitive and easy to use? I'd like to teach the world to loop in perfect harmony--but I have enough trouble trying to create interesting improvisational music using an acoustic guitar with just enough reverb to get by into an EDP. How complicated do we want this to be? I mean, am I gonna wind up wearing some cybersuit and conducting a virtual orchestra while my audience looks at videos? And along the same thread (really!), does Kim play out? And do I have to go to Brazil (or Switzerland) to see Matthias? I really am using my EDP at my solo live gigs (who knows what these people think of this stuff), and I would like to see looping become part of the popular music performance world. Isn't simple more accessible than complex? Don't we want the audience to know where the music is coming from? And where can I go in San Diego to see somebody else using digital delays to create loops in a live performance situation? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 02:06:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10435; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 02:05:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 02:05:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39924274.FE45D3AC@home.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 22:49:46 -0700 From: Damon Langlois Reply-To: damon-langlois@home.com Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05C-AtHome0403 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: studio Interfaces References: <200008100513.BAA09209@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I think the real trick is to stop trying to force recording studio >interfaces into real-time, performance oriented looping. It's a dead end. >you need to think of the problem in new ways. >kim >Why do think this is a dead end Kim? I think finding a familiar paradigm could >help. loopers are essentially recording boxes so why not take what is familiar >and use it where appropriate. Look at ACID. >Damon "Why do think this is a dead end Kim? " I just hate it when I speak in broken English :P I just wanted to add that I'm not advocating presets with layered menus etc. I'm also all for breaking the rules and progressing performance interfaces. But... if a red button with a round dot on it says "record" to most of the musical population why not use it? Damon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 03:17:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11230; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 03:14:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 03:14:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39925620.A320CE98@gi.intercom.es> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:13:36 +0200 From: samuel C X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Eventide Orville questions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Return-Path: samu@gi.intercom.es X-MDRcpt-To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com X-MDRemoteIP: 10.0.0.253 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm in the hard work of learning how things work in Orville and other multipourpose DSP machines to get one of them. I know the Orville has 2 independent DSPs which can run both factory programs and user programmed ones. What I'd like to know is if once you are using one DSP for processing let's say a compressor, can you make the same DSP do another task simultaneously?? or you have to make a custom program based in the compression you want, chaining it to another effect (e.g. reverb). How powerfull are these DSPs? I heard Orville kicks Kyma (in flexibility and DSP power). is this true, having in mind that Symbolic Sound's Kyma is expandable up to 28 DSPs? Thanks in advance. _Sam_ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 04:15:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA11971; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 04:13:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 04:13:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.171.219.220] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Eventide Orville questions Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:11:46 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2000 08:11:46.0780 (UTC) FILETIME=[A08B11C0:01C002A2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From: samuel C >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >CC: loopers-delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Eventide Orville questions >Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:13:36 +0200 >I'm in the hard work of learning how things work in Orville and other >multipourpose DSP machines to get one of them. >I know the Orville has 2 independent DSPs which can run both factory >programs and user programmed ones. > >What I'd like to know is if once you are using one DSP for processing >let's say a compressor, can you make the same DSP do another task >simultaneously?? or you have to make a custom program based in the >compression you want, chaining it to another effect (e.g. reverb). >YES YOU CAN!!! YOU CAN HAVE DIFFERENT LINES OF PROCESSING UNITS IN ONE >PRESET, WORKING ON 4 MONO INPUTS OR 2 STEREO INPUTS...YOU CAN HAVE FROM 4 >UP TO 14 REVERBS IN ONE DSP, OR MANY COMPRESSORS, EQS, DELAYS, MODULATION >FX, DIGITAL PREAMPS AND WHATEVER YOU LIKE...LIKE NOBODY ELSE'S MACHINE!!! >How powerfull are these DSPs? >80mHz!!! ONE OF THESE PROCESSORS IS 4 TIMES A LEXICON PCM 81/91 OR 4 TIMES >AN EVENTIDE DSP/GTR4000 >I heard Orville kicks Kyma (in flexibility and DSP power). is this true, >having in mind that Symbolic Sound's Kyma is expandable up to 28 DSPs? >BOTH SYSTEMS USE THE SAME DSPS, SO IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN 2 YOU HAVE MORE >POWER...BE SURE TO CHECK OUT THE SOUND THOUGH...WHO MAKES SOFTWARE IS MORE >IMPORTANT THAN THE HARDWARE > ITALOOP >Thanks in advance. > > > >_Sam_ > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 04:52:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA12431; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 04:49:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 04:49:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004a01c002a7$fc9e4a40$ebffe23e@0006303921043200861239070001> Reply-To: "Luis Angulo" From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <35.8a20db2.26c1c893@aol.com> <35.8a20db2.26c1c893@aol.com> <000901c0028e$acdab5c0$12ddd8cc@gary> Subject: Re: EDP Video Dreams Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:06:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Gary, Are you in San diego? I will be there in sept. in case you know of any interesting looping performances please drop me a line ok? Best Luis where can I go in San Diego to see somebody else using digital delays to create loops in a live performance situation? > Gary > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 11:44:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17361; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:42:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:42:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: Eventide Orville questions Message-ID: <0056910006509825000002L152*@MHS> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:39:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 08/10/00 10:41:30" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA17313 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am considering buying an Orville so I down loaded the manual and have studied it more than a little....this is what I conclude... Yes, each DSP can be considered as a 4-in, 4-out processor, and can run several algorithms, eventually limited by processor and memory capacity. For single processor power, I would refer to the Eventide web site and the list of DSP7000 presets, which is their gear with one processor. That is a clue as to what one processor can do. <<< I'm in the hard work of learning how things work in Orville and other multipourpose DSP machines to get one of them. I know the Orville has 2 independent DSPs which can run both factory programs and user programmed ones. What I'd like to know is if once you are using one DSP for processing let's say a compressor, can you make the same DSP do another task simultaneously?? or you have to make a custom program based in the compression you want, chaining it to another effect (e.g. reverb). How powerfull are these DSPs? I heard Orville kicks Kyma (in flexibility and DSP power). is this true, having in mind that Symbolic Sound's Kyma is expandable up to 28 DSPs? Thanks in advance. _Sam_ >>> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 13:23:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18860; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:21:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:21:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009a01c002ee$f2beb3b0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <39925620.A320CE98@gi.intercom.es> Subject: Re: Eventide Orville questions Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:18:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm in the hard work of learning how things work in Orville and other > multipourpose DSP machines to get one of them. For Kyma, I recommend an AES preprint "A Framework for the Design, Development, and Delivery of Real-time Software-based Sound Synthesis and Processing Algorithms" by Hebel and Scaletti presented at the 97th AES convention 1994. It's short (text is about six pages) and concise. You can also order a Kyma manual for $35. That's what I did before buying. > I heard Orville kicks Kyma (in flexibility and DSP power). is this true, > having in mind that Symbolic Sound's Kyma is expandable up to 28 DSPs? I'm a Kyma owner so I'm quite familiar with it. After reading the Orville manuals (all three including the programming manual), it's clear to me that Kyma is quite a bit more powerful and flexible. This is not surprising given that a top end Kyma system (not including a host computer) prices out at $11,435 USD. What is surprising is that you can start with a basic unit for $3,300 and expand it without discarding any parts. In a nutshell, the major differences between the Kyma and the Orville are because the Kyma requires a host computer at all times. You only need to use a computer with Orville when you're doing heavy-duty programming. The fact that Kyma requires a computer is both an advantage and dis-advantage. If you can't deal with a computer onstage, Orville is for you. It is well designed to function as a conventional rack-mount effects box. The Orville is more self-contained. For example, you can plug non-MIDI footswitches and pedals directly into it. With Kyma, you must use a MIDI footswitch and CC pedal (and you'd probably need a MIDI hub). On the other hand, the computer gives Kyma some capabilities that Orville simply doesn't have. For example, with a MIDI keyboard, you can use Kyma as a sampler keyboard, triggering samples of any length from the hard drive. You can also use Kyma as a digital mixer/recorder, recording directly to/from the computer's hard drive. Since Kyma programs are stored on the computer's hard drive, you have quick access to virtually an unlimited number of programs. You primarily control the Orville via it's front panel LCD and buttons. Eventide has done a great job with this, but it is limiting. Kyma uses the computer screen to display control widgets on a "virtual control surface." These widgets include the usual assortment of buttons, toggles, linear/rotary faders, etc and is completely customizable. Both Orville and Kyma permit the use of external MIDI controllers such as the Peavey PC1600. However, Kyma provides special support for the MotorMix, a box similar to the PC1600x but with motorized faders and LCD labels for the faders. The MotorMix mirrors the virtual control surface. In terms of programming, both units are similar in concept. You can create a signal flow diagram with boxes representing "functional units" (unit generators). You specify the connections between the boxes. The boxes perform functions such as EQ, delay, level changes, etc and the connections specify the signal/control flow. Both units provide about 1000 of these "functional units" for your use. However, Orville appears less general, distinguishing between control signals and audio signals (i.e., there are different boxes for control and audio signals). Kyma is completely general, permitting you to freely mix/interchange control and audio signals. Also, Orville limits you to the modules supplied by Eventide (unless I missed a developer's kit?). You can create your own in Kyma (a caffeine-laden process of writing DSP assembly language, not for the faint-hearted). I'm writing a set of real-time looper specific modules, for example. Kyma does quite a bit of work to distribute the workload among the DSPs. You don't have to rewrite your programs, for example, to take advantage of new additional DSP cards. With both Orville and Kyma, there is not a one-to-one correspondence between "functional units" (the boxes in your signal flow diagram) and DSPs. Among the software, the Orville features Eventide's famous Ultrashifter and reverb programs. Reverb design being the magical, black-art that it is, I believe that the Orville's reverb is gorgeous sounding while Kyma's probably comes in second. I haven't A-B'ed them so I'm bending to conventional thought here. I never used the Ultrashifter but it is certainly well-known in the industry. So if you need fabulous reverb and Ultrashifting capability, perhaps Orville is for you. On the other hand, I like the Kyma's reverb programs and I'm not primarily a pitch-shifter kind of guy. The Kyma provides very powerful sound analysis tools that I haven't found in Orville. These include several varieties of spectral analysis and re-synthesis. Kyma is used by several researchers to investigate such subjects as psycho-acoustics, modeling physical instruments, and sonification of complex data. The latest release of Kyma provides a timeline interface that is completely absent from Orville. This interface is well suited for time-based compositions. You drag and drop Sounds (signal flow diagrams provided by Symbolic Sound or created by you) onto a time lime. You can have any number of tracks. You can adjust the starting time/duration of each sound. You can also adjust such parameters as panning, levels, etc. on a track-by-track basis. It's quite powerful. I'm getting far afield from looping so it's probably time I quit rambling for now. This posting is too long already anyway! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 16:14:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21305; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:12:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:12:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: rob@hemlock.violacea.com Message-ID: <39930E57.3973A8E7@wxs.nl> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:19:35 +0200 From: Robert van der Kamp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Eventide Orville questions References: <39925620.A320CE98@gi.intercom.es> <009a01c002ee$f2beb3b0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1YwNn.A.iLF.Eywk5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great babble! ;-) Very good reading. - Robert "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > > I'm in the hard work of learning how things work in Orville and other > > multipourpose DSP machines to get one of them. > > For Kyma, I recommend an AES preprint "A Framework for the Design, Development, > and Delivery of Real-time Software-based Sound Synthesis and Processing > Algorithms" by Hebel and Scaletti presented at the 97th AES convention 1994. > It's short (text is about six pages) and concise. You can also order a Kyma > manual for $35. That's what I did before buying. > > > I heard Orville kicks Kyma (in flexibility and DSP power). is this true, > > having in mind that Symbolic Sound's Kyma is expandable up to 28 DSPs? > > I'm a Kyma owner so I'm quite familiar with it. After reading the Orville > manuals (all three including the programming manual), it's clear to me that Kyma > is quite a bit more powerful and flexible. > > This is not surprising given that a top end Kyma system (not including a host > computer) prices out at $11,435 USD. What is surprising is that you can start > with a basic unit for $3,300 and expand it without discarding any parts. > > In a nutshell, the major differences between the Kyma and the Orville are > because the Kyma requires a host computer at all times. You only need to use a > computer with Orville when you're doing heavy-duty programming. > > The fact that Kyma requires a computer is both an advantage and dis-advantage. > If you can't deal with a computer onstage, Orville is for you. It is well > designed to function as a conventional rack-mount effects box. The Orville is > more self-contained. For example, you can plug non-MIDI footswitches and pedals > directly into it. With Kyma, you must use a MIDI footswitch and CC pedal (and > you'd probably need a MIDI hub). > > On the other hand, the computer gives Kyma some capabilities that Orville simply > doesn't have. For example, with a MIDI keyboard, you can use Kyma as a sampler > keyboard, triggering samples of any length from the hard drive. You can also > use Kyma as a digital mixer/recorder, recording directly to/from the computer's > hard drive. Since Kyma programs are stored on the computer's hard drive, you > have quick access to virtually an unlimited number of programs. > > You primarily control the Orville via it's front panel LCD and buttons. > Eventide has done a great job with this, but it is limiting. Kyma uses the > computer screen to display control widgets on a "virtual control surface." > These widgets include the usual assortment of buttons, toggles, linear/rotary > faders, etc and is completely customizable. Both Orville and Kyma permit the > use of external MIDI controllers such as the Peavey PC1600. However, Kyma > provides special support for the MotorMix, a box similar to the PC1600x but with > motorized faders and LCD labels for the faders. The MotorMix mirrors the > virtual control surface. > > In terms of programming, both units are similar in concept. You can create a > signal flow diagram with boxes representing "functional units" (unit > generators). You specify the connections between the boxes. The boxes perform > functions such as EQ, delay, level changes, etc and the connections specify the > signal/control flow. Both units provide about 1000 of these "functional units" > for your use. However, Orville appears less general, distinguishing between > control signals and audio signals (i.e., there are different boxes for control > and audio signals). Kyma is completely general, permitting you to freely > mix/interchange control and audio signals. Also, Orville limits you to the > modules supplied by Eventide (unless I missed a developer's kit?). You can > create your own in Kyma (a caffeine-laden process of writing DSP assembly > language, not for the faint-hearted). I'm writing a set of real-time looper > specific modules, for example. > > Kyma does quite a bit of work to distribute the workload among the DSPs. You > don't have to rewrite your programs, for example, to take advantage of new > additional DSP cards. With both Orville and Kyma, there is not a one-to-one > correspondence between "functional units" (the boxes in your signal flow > diagram) and DSPs. > > Among the software, the Orville features Eventide's famous Ultrashifter and > reverb programs. Reverb design being the magical, black-art that it is, I > believe that the Orville's reverb is gorgeous sounding while Kyma's probably > comes in second. I haven't A-B'ed them so I'm bending to conventional thought > here. I never used the Ultrashifter but it is certainly well-known in the > industry. So if you need fabulous reverb and Ultrashifting capability, perhaps > Orville is for you. On the other hand, I like the Kyma's reverb programs and > I'm not primarily a pitch-shifter kind of guy. > > The Kyma provides very powerful sound analysis tools that I haven't found in > Orville. These include several varieties of spectral analysis and re-synthesis. > Kyma is used by several researchers to investigate such subjects as > psycho-acoustics, modeling physical instruments, and sonification of complex > data. > > The latest release of Kyma provides a timeline interface that is completely > absent from Orville. This interface is well suited for time-based compositions. > You drag and drop Sounds (signal flow diagrams provided by Symbolic Sound or > created by you) onto a time lime. You can have any number of tracks. You can > adjust the starting time/duration of each sound. You can also adjust such > parameters as panning, levels, etc. on a track-by-track basis. It's quite > powerful. > > I'm getting far afield from looping so it's probably time I quit rambling for > now. This posting is too long already anyway! > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 16:35:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21817; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:34:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:34:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 03:14:24 -0400 (EDT) From: noah To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MIDI Data looping, a little help? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've posted this question before, but I'm still puzzling this out... Does anyone use a midi sequencer to loop MIDI data streams? I use Seer Systems Reality as a sound source (the only flawlessly realtime softsynth/sampler I've ever seen). I run the laptop, my ESQ-1 (aka "my little darling") and several other sound sources through my mixer, with a multifx and a DL4 on the aux loops. I would love to be able to do some EDP-esque MIDI looping with VST or Logic Audio, but I haven't gotten far enough into either of these systems to set up macros for things like start/stop recording, overdub, multiply, copy, undo, etc in realtime. Does anyone do this? I'm saving up for an EDP or a Repeater, and if I can get one of these sequencers looping, i'll be able to sync them to the eventual EDP or Repeater, the mere thought of which gives me chills. BTW, the reason I'm not too versed in sequencerese is my musical philosophy... I'm sick of seeing performances where one or two guys huddle around a powerbook, switching vst patterns and hitting 'timewarp' every four bars. I'm trying to bring back the synthesizer as a performance instrument... -><- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 17:01:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22311; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:59:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:59:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000810135836.007c4d60@col-ed.org> X-Sender: tim@col-ed.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:58:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Timoth E. Gard" Subject: Re: MIDI Data looping, a little help? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Amen to that rant! Why go to a show that amounts to listening to a CD? I do all of my looping via MIDI, and use KeyKit and BuildingBlocks. KeyKit even has a module that simulates echoplex behavior (echoplex.k) with the MIDI data stream. They're at http://www.nosuch.com/tjt/index.html and http://www.midiworld.com/AuReality/ I prefer to loop in MIDI because I feel I have more performance-oriented control over the data stream. Especially because anything (note, controller, etc) can be used to control anything else (samples, filter sweep, more MIDI data). That means I'm not tied to the laptop. Now if SOMEBODY will just tell me where I can get a wireless MIDI setup?! Anyway, performance-wise I tend to favor BuildingBlocks (a nerd kid who had Capsela). But KeyKit is infinitely customizable, with an Awk-like programming language. There's a trade-off of flexibility and learning curve between the two. Hope this helps. Glad to hear that someone else is interested. Tim http://www.quiltedfish.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 17:15:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22643; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:14:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:14:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.11.2.20000810155633.01d3b2c0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: redmoon/mail.redmoon-music.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.0.11 (Beta) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:12:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Big Briar News - CP-251!! In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.11.2.20000809165107.02b57710@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <8FX_kB.A.EhF.grxk5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve Burnett (05:13 PM 08.09.2000) wrote: >> Next Stop: The MF-104 Delay!!! > >Waiting, waiting - my wife's been making the same joke about "the delay >pedal must be really effective - it's delaying itself!" over, and over, >sort of a looped joke. :) Off topic to be sure, but a little bit of timeline history may be worthwhile here. The MF-104 was first delayed (just over a year ago) due to Bob's supplier suddenly not being able to come up with parts in quantity. When that happened, I started looking around and I was able to get Bob hooked up with a buddy that had a parts source. Once that deal was done, and Bob got parts delivery, it was November or so of last year. During that time, there was the "small" :) distraction of Bob working on the new Performance Synth. That design task went into full swing after the parts delay for the MF-104 hit. When the parts for the MF-104 did finally show up, Bob was now knee deep (and higher!) working to get the prototype for the new synth done so that he could show it at Winter NAMM the first week of February. To show you how close the timeline was for this happening, Winter NAMM opened on a Thursday. Bob and henchman Steve were hand-bending the case the previous weekend. He ended up with just 2 hours to spare in order to be able to get the machine shipped to the show in time. Anyway, when the show was over, Bob took all the suggestions and comments back from the show and did some more work on the synth. Meanwhile, he had a back room of CP-251's ready to ship, but no manuals. :( So, he dragged himself away from the synth and went to work on the CP-251 manuals. Well, Spring/Summer is a busy time for Bob on the private lecture and appearance circuit. That cut into what time he had to do the manual, and look at firing up production for the MF-104, and continue work on the new synth. FYI, Bob does *NOT* like to farm out his manuals. The work on them is his personal written touch to all of the products. So, the CP-251 is now shipping and the manual is done. He's now starting into the MF-104 manual. But... :) I know that the Performance Synth is sitting "right over there" and it's edging on him. :) The MF-104s are coming. Know that they sound *great*. It's simply the smoothest delay line that I have ever heard. It's very warm and full of character. Hang in there! Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 17:38:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23081; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:37:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:37:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ce01c00312$b74215b0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Yet another shameless gig announcement... Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:34:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Miko Biffle | Nathan Fuhr | COBRA! >. . . > Monday, August 14th, 8:30 PM at the Art League Theater, 526 Broadway St. > Santa Cruz. California, US $5.00. Sounds like fun! Any chance of a recording of this? Even from a mic on a pole in the room? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 17:44:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23376; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:43:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:43:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39932156.700A0489@virtulink.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:40:38 -0400 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sustainer: First Impressions References: <3.0.32.20000807201647.0069f1cc@total.net> <00d601c001b8$65dd8340$9af1a118@tampabay.rr.com> <00b301c0024f$4d1270e0$9af1a118@tampabay.rr.com> <3991DAD9.D858DACF@virtulink.com> <010b01c0027a$2fe0c820$9af1a118@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9uZg8B.A.osF.ZHyk5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How much did you pay for this instrument? I can't get into Ned Evett's site, I have problems flash and my browser. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 17:47:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23609; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:46:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:46:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f001c00313$fb8ce230$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20000810135836.007c4d60@col-ed.org> Subject: Re: MIDI Data looping, a little help? Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:43:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tell me more about KeyKit and BuildingBlocks. I've looked at both of these in the past but have never had the time try them. > ...Now if > SOMEBODY will just tell me where I can get a wireless MIDI setup?! Probably not what you're after, but I've played around with combining a mouse-to-MIDI program (mouse movement generates two MIDI CC data streams) with a wireless (infrared) mouse. It's fun! What kind of MIDI do you want to transmit (wirelessly)? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 18:11:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24074; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:06:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:06:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.11.2.20000810155633.01d3b2c0@127.0.0.1> References: <5.0.0.11.2.20000809165107.02b57710@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:54:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Big Briar News - CP-251!! Resent-Message-ID: <6l4-cB.A.m3F.7cyk5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The MF-104s are coming. Know that they sound *great*. It's simply the >smoothest delay line that I have ever heard. It's very warm and full of >character. Is this the delay pedal I saw at January NAMM in LA? He had his moogerfooger pedals set up at the booth, with the ring modulator, low-pass filter, and a analog delay. The delay was listed as 'limited edition' (which would coincide with the lack of parts you mentioned). If that's the beast, you are correct... smooth as butter...that combined with the low pass and a looper's mentality got quite a few folks stopping and saying "what the hell are you running that through?" rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 18:23:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24395; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:22:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:22:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.webslingerZ.com: sburnett owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:21:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Burnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Big Briar News - CP-251!! In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.11.2.20000810155633.01d3b2c0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Mark Pulver wrote: > The MF-104s are coming. Know that they sound *great*. It's simply the > smoothest delay line that I have ever heard. It's very warm and full of > character. > > Hang in there! Oh, I am - have my MF-104 order in already, and am eagerly looking forward to having it to play with. I'm not upset over the delayed delay, just eager. In the meantime since yesterday's post, I've been getting into the CP-251 more and more: it delivers as advertised. Cool. Very cool. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 18:27:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24589; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:26:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:26:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.11.2.20000810171037.02781e20@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: redmoon/mail.redmoon-music.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.0.11 (Beta) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:24:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Big Briar News - CP-251!! In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.11.2.20000810155633.01d3b2c0@127.0.0.1> <5.0.0.11.2.20000809165107.02b57710@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rich (04:54 PM 08.10.2000) wrote: >>The MF-104s are coming. Know that they sound *great*. It's simply the >>smoothest delay line that I have ever heard. It's very warm and full of >>character. > >Is this the delay pedal I saw at January NAMM in LA? Yeup. >He had his >moogerfooger pedals set up at the booth, with the ring modulator, low-pass >filter, and a analog delay. Yeup. >The delay was listed as 'limited edition' >(which would coincide with the lack of parts you mentioned). Yeup. Originally he and I talked about making 500 of them, but he ended up getting enough parts to make 1000 (plus spares). >If that's the beast, you are correct... :) You should hear it in stereo. :) >smooth as butter...that combined with the low pass and a looper's mentality >got quite a few folks stopping and saying "what the hell are you running >that through?" :) You should also spend time with the Ring Modulator if you get the chance. With my gear, I have access to a number of ringmods, analog and digital alike, but nothing sounds as musical as that machine. Basically, all of the MF's are wonderful machines. A lot of people balk at the pricing of them, but Bob is building something very nice in this product line. There really is nothing else like them on the market. There are a lot of very cool subtle features in the product line. Things like: - The input stages of the pedals are VERY hot, and the sounds GREAT when kicked into anything from "just an edge" to "Jon Lord Returns". - The bypass switch _looks_ like a standard DPDT mechanical, but it's not - when you hit the switch you end up activating a pair of VCA's to crossfade the effect signal with the bypass signal. There is *NO* click. - There is also voltage control over params, and the VC ranges aren't throttled nor limited to positive voltages. If you want to take the MF-101 and feed it a negative voltage, go for it. If you want to take the MF-102 (Ring Mod) and get the internal OSC to run up above 20khz, give it a shot. :) "Go Bob". :) Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 18:29:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24748; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:28:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:28:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.11.2.20000810172519.01cfec60@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: redmoon/mail.redmoon-music.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.0.11 (Beta) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:27:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: Big Briar News - CP-251!! In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.11.2.20000810155633.01d3b2c0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_ExZTB.A.yAG.Kxyk5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve Burnett (05:21 PM 08.10.2000) wrote: >On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Mark Pulver wrote: > >> The MF-104s are coming. Know that they sound *great*. It's simply the >> smoothest delay line that I have ever heard. It's very warm and full of >> character. >> >> Hang in there! > >Oh, I am - have my MF-104 order in already, and am eagerly looking >forward to having it to play with. I'm not upset over the delayed delay, >just eager. In the meantime since yesterday's post, I've been getting into >the CP-251 more and more: it delivers as advertised. Cool. Very cool. There's a lot of stuff in that little box... Those folks coming from a modular synth background should stand up quickly and start salivating. :) Bob has more plans for things of that form factor. There's a lot of stuff going on with the Performance Synth and a "grand plan" coming later this winter. (I am SUCH a tease!) :) Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 18:40:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25026; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:39:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:39:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:38:29 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Yet another shameless gig announcement... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA24988 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We're going to have a pair of mics right behind the prompter... I get the feeling that I can get it quickly mastered and then try to get Matt Davignon to handle some distribution... Oh yeah... art... We'll have to figure something out there. Let's see if it's something we're proud of after listening a bit! 8-) -Miko >>> dennis@mdbs.com 08/10 2:36 PM >>> > Miko Biffle | Nathan Fuhr | COBRA! >. . . > Monday, August 14th, 8:30 PM at the Art League Theater, 526 Broadway St. > Santa Cruz. California, US $5.00. Sounds like fun! Any chance of a recording of this? Even from a mic on a pole in the room? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 18:56:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25246; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:47:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:47:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000810154707.007ca2b0@col-ed.org> X-Sender: tim@col-ed.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:47:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Timoth E. Gard" Subject: Re: MIDI Data looping + Wireless MIDI In-Reply-To: <00f001c00313$fb8ce230$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20000810135836.007c4d60@col-ed.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <48t--C.A.BKG.oDzk5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Tell me more about KeyKit and BuildingBlocks. I've looked at both of these in >the past but have never had the time try them. KeyKit is the bomb when it comes to algorithmic composition. But I find it's also good for some real-time processing. There's a mixed text/graphics interface with lots of tools for dealing with tracks, controllers, phrases, etc. There's even more statistically advanced features like the ability to create new tracks based on general characteristics of another track/phrase (Markov Maker). The data stream is in text form, so it's quite easy to manipulate. Plus, I think it's been ported to every platform but Atari2600. It's very small and efficient. Check out Tim Thompson's website. There's plenty more info there, plus he has some of the tools available in web-accessible form. Cool. Whereas KeyKit is mostly programmatical and composition-oriented, BuildingBlocks is mostly graphical and performance-oriented. You have small modules that perform different tasks (note in, echo, arpeggiators) and you graphically connect them, i.e. drag a line from the output of one to the input of another. Oh, and it's also set up to allow input from the keyboard, from mice and from joysticks (2 buttons or 3!). Since the learning curve is shorter for me with BB, I tend to favor it for capturing peformance ideas on the fly. It has a very LEGO feel to it. And don't rule it out for composing -- one fellow just used it as the major composition engine in a minimalist piece. I can't recall his name right now. It's on the BB website. Wow. How's that for a sales pitch? Which reminds me, KeyKit is FREE, and BB is under $100 (don't remember the exact price). >Probably not what you're after, but I've played around with combining a >mouse-to-MIDI program (mouse movement generates two MIDI CC data streams) with a >wireless (infrared) mouse. It's fun! That's a great idea! Sounds like fun. BB might be down your alley. >What kind of MIDI do you want to transmit (wirelessly)? I want the whole MIDI stream wireless. I have a WX5 wind controller (MIDI sax) and I want to be able to walk around without dragging a cord behind me, just like guitarists get to do. MidiMan used to make one, but no longer, and the company Aquila won't return my inquiries. Some people have suggested using a wireless network card, but the mod on that seems a bit over my head. The primary issue is error correction. I've been wondering about wireless modems (radio, not infrared, then there's no line-of-sight issues), but have been too busy on other projects to jump into that quagmire. Of course, if anyone else thinks this is a cool idea... Hope all of this helps somebody, anybody. Tim http://www.quiltedfish.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 19:10:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25551; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:08:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:08:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007d01c00320$275fcb00$9af1a118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <3.0.32.20000807201647.0069f1cc@total.net> <00d601c001b8$65dd8340$9af1a118@tampabay.rr.com> <00b301c0024f$4d1270e0$9af1a118@tampabay.rr.com> <3991DAD9.D858DACF@virtulink.com> <010b01c0027a$2fe0c820$9af1a118@tampabay.rr.com> <39932156.700A0489@virtulink.com> Subject: Re: Sustainer: First Impressions Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:10:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I paid $649.50 for mine (the Native Pro model). They also offer a Strat-clone for the same price, but I dug the slightly more offbeat look of the Native. They threw in a free copy of Ned's CD as compensation for their not having the color that I wanted. Try the site that sells the Fernandes fretless guitars: http://www.fretlessguitar.com BTW, the browser I use is Internet Explorer 5.5. Paolo ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Beardsley" To: Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 5:40 PM Subject: Re: Sustainer: First Impressions > > How much did you pay for this instrument? > I can't get into Ned Evett's site, I have > problems flash and my browser. > > > -- > * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y > * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" > * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 19:42:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26092; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:41:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:41:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.247.186.99] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yet another shameless gig announcement... Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:40:19 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2000 23:40:19.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[57F95D40:01C00324] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So, Miko, you never told us who the performers are! >From: "Mike Biffle" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: , >Subject: Re: Yet another shameless gig announcement... >Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:38:29 -0700 > >We're going to have a pair of mics right behind the prompter... I get the >feeling that I can get it quickly mastered and then try to get Matt >Davignon to handle some distribution... Oh yeah... art... We'll have to >figure something out there. Let's see if it's something we're proud of >after listening a bit! 8-) > >-Miko > > >>> dennis@mdbs.com 08/10 2:36 PM >>> > > Miko Biffle | Nathan Fuhr | COBRA! > >. . . > > Monday, August 14th, 8:30 PM at the Art League Theater, 526 Broadway St. > > Santa Cruz. California, US $5.00. > >Sounds like fun! Any chance of a recording of this? Even from a mic on a >pole >in the room? > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 19:52:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26456; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:51:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:51:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:49:41 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Yet another shameless gig announcement... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA26400 Resent-Message-ID: <1ex8H.A.rcG.J_zk5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nathan Fuhr... prompting (Cobra Ensemble-Cincinatti) Miko Biffle - guitar Jason Schimmel - guitar (Estradasphere) John Wooley - Sax / Vox (Estradasphere) Violin guy w/fx - (E-Sphere) Casio guy w/fx Vox girl w/fx Patrice - vox / upright bass Jim - perc Tim Sanz - guitar Dana Scruggs - keys Trumpet guy - w/fx I'll have the REAL names and info probably after a rehearsal tomorrow night. How do you feel about distributing? -miko >>> mattdavignon@hotmail.com 08/10 4:40 PM >>> So, Miko, you never told us who the performers are! >From: "Mike Biffle" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: , >Subject: Re: Yet another shameless gig announcement... >Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:38:29 -0700 > >We're going to have a pair of mics right behind the prompter... I get the >feeling that I can get it quickly mastered and then try to get Matt >Davignon to handle some distribution... Oh yeah... art... We'll have to >figure something out there. Let's see if it's something we're proud of >after listening a bit! 8-) > >-Miko > > >>> dennis@mdbs.com 08/10 2:36 PM >>> > > Miko Biffle | Nathan Fuhr | COBRA! > >. . . > > Monday, August 14th, 8:30 PM at the Art League Theater, 526 Broadway St. > > Santa Cruz. California, US $5.00. > >Sounds like fun! Any chance of a recording of this? Even from a mic on a >pole >in the room? > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 20:17:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27154; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:16:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:16:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [204.247.186.99] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yet another shameless gig announcement... Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:15:16 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2000 00:15:16.0305 (UTC) FILETIME=[39B48C10:01C00329] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sure, I can distribute. Hope I can make it to the real thing too, looks like you have a great mix! >From: "Mike Biffle" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: , >Subject: Re: Yet another shameless gig announcement... >Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:49:41 -0700 > >Nathan Fuhr... prompting (Cobra Ensemble-Cincinatti) >Miko Biffle - guitar >Jason Schimmel - guitar (Estradasphere) >John Wooley - Sax / Vox (Estradasphere) >Violin guy w/fx - (E-Sphere) >Casio guy w/fx >Vox girl w/fx >Patrice - vox / upright bass >Jim - perc >Tim Sanz - guitar >Dana Scruggs - keys >Trumpet guy - w/fx > >I'll have the REAL names and info probably after a rehearsal tomorrow >night. How do you feel about distributing? > >-miko > > >>> mattdavignon@hotmail.com 08/10 4:40 PM >>> >So, Miko, you never told us who the performers are! > > >From: "Mike Biffle" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: , > >Subject: Re: Yet another shameless gig announcement... > >Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:38:29 -0700 > > > >We're going to have a pair of mics right behind the prompter... I get the > >feeling that I can get it quickly mastered and then try to get Matt > >Davignon to handle some distribution... Oh yeah... art... We'll have to > >figure something out there. Let's see if it's something we're proud of > >after listening a bit! 8-) > > > >-Miko > > > > >>> dennis@mdbs.com 08/10 2:36 PM >>> > > > Miko Biffle | Nathan Fuhr | COBRA! > > >. . . > > > Monday, August 14th, 8:30 PM at the Art League Theater, 526 Broadway >St. > > > Santa Cruz. California, US $5.00. > > > >Sounds like fun! Any chance of a recording of this? Even from a mic on >a > >pole > >in the room? > > > >Dennis Leas > >----------------------------- > >dennis@mdbs.com > > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 22:01:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28719; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:00:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:00:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: discussion groups Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:59:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mark, looking forward to reading your article on loop based music production. Do you know of any other discussion groups that would be useful for me to infiltrate? I figured you'd be the best person to ask about this.... P.S. we are going with "loop based recorder". We think it is a better place to begin building the bridge. People who understand sampling will get it from the term "loop based" but we want don't want to be associated with the Boss SP-202 and the like. It really closer to a 4 track hardware ACID which is coined "loop based music production" What do you think? Best Regards, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix / IVL "No Creative Barriers" Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Pulver [mailto:mark@redmoon-music.com] Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 7:18 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The Best Loopers Kevin Mulvihill (01:21 AM 08.04.2000) wrote: >I'm just wondering what the best looper to use is? I know there's the >Echoplex, the Lexicon (MPG2 I think), the Akai, etc., etc. I'm basically software based with a custom app that my partner wrote/is writing. If you wander the archives for the past couple of weeks: http://annihilist.com/cgi-bin/wilma/LDarchive You'll find though that I've been pretty vocal about a new product on it's way out to market, the Repeater from Electrix: http://www.electrixpro.com/ From the initial specs, it looks like it could be quite the machine. It's due out around November and will retail for US $699. Electrix is here on the list (the Creative Director, Damon Langlois) and has been answering questions about the box as best he can without giving away the farm. Mark ____________________________________________________________________________ Stuff: http://www.midiwall.com, Info/Reviews: http://www.midiwall.com/synths From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 22:17:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29256; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:16:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:16:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Recall: discussion groups Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:15:28 -0700 Expiry-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 19:21:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damon Langlois ( Electrix ) would like to recall the message, "discussion groups". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 22:22:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29494; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:21:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:21:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <4e.990c1fb.26c4bce2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:20:18 EDT Subject: Re: Recall: discussion groups To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is that like recalling tires...or different? :^) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 22:28:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29713; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:27:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:27:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Recall: discussion groups Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:25:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lol...that's Outlook for you. I just thought the term "infiltrate" was a little insulting to Kim (Given his involvement with the EDP) and I wanted to change it :( oh well that's the internet for you. sorry Kim... Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix / IVL "No Creative Barriers" Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com >-----Original Message----- >From: Loopbozo@aol.com [mailto:Loopbozo@aol.com] >Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 7:20 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Recall: discussion groups >Is that like recalling tires...or different? :^) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 22:45:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30197; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:44:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:44:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c0033d$f4f8ac40$600978d8@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: Re: Recall: discussion groups Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:43:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <7Q8Xv.A.yWH.lh2k5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is this a memory issue? "I can't recall" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 7:25 PM Subject: RE: Recall: discussion groups > lol...that's Outlook for you. I just thought the term "infiltrate" was a > little insulting to Kim (Given his involvement with the EDP) and I wanted to > change it :( oh well that's the internet for you. sorry Kim... > > > Damon Langlois > Creative Director > Electrix / IVL > "No Creative Barriers" > Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 > http://www.electrixpro.com > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Loopbozo@aol.com [mailto:Loopbozo@aol.com] > >Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 7:20 PM > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: Recall: discussion groups > > > >Is that like recalling tires...or different? > > :^) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 06:26:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA02224; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 06:25:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 06:25:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <396AC560.769C0130@dial.pipex.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:57:36 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock Organization: smtp.dial.pipex.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kyma thoughts References: <200008102138.RAA23165@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <20j5q.A.9h.2P9k5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just to give you a little bit of my experience with Kyma. It took me days to get to the point where I could program it. It's mighty deep and complex. I figured that if I spend some time getting to understand it, eventually I'll reach the stage when I can simply think of a looping/musical idea and I have the skills to put it into practice. To be honest I imagine creating a set of maybe 1/2 a dozen presets and using these as shells for my music. I don't want to spend all my time programming - I like to actually play that thing with strings on it. I've had Kyma for 2 weeks now, (it's our anniversary today!) and I'm at the point where I have two independent loops, (I could add many more but don't need them - yet) which I call in using my 8080 midi floor unit. Another switch toggles between my 'normal' guitar sound and the most beautiful female voice which tracks my guitar including vibrato, pitch pending etc. Another pedal alters the feedback settings for my trapped sound. I've made a midi controlled whammy pedal which goes sub audio too and a delay feeding a bank of 4 flangers slowly sweeping my loop - quite beautiful. (Unfortunately the rest of my life is falling to bits) :) Incidentally Dennis I'd be very interested 'in beta testing your looper specific modules' Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 07:49:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02832; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:48:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:48:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: anc-srv.fastnet.it: Host korg.fastnet.it [195.96.195.34] claimed to be korg.it Message-ID: <006901c0038a$8bee3bf0$8e02a8c0@voulaz> From: "Stefano Voulaz" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20000810135836.007c4d60@col-ed.org> <3.0.6.32.20000810154707.007ca2b0@col-ed.org> Subject: R: MIDI Data looping + Wireless MIDI Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:51:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Timth - and everybody on the list, of course! :) I'm working on a project of wireless sensor control in a dance application, and I've found an interesting wireless modem, the DECT Siemens GigaSet M101, that claims a very reliable 115Kb data transfer rate. If you're interested, just drop me a line (don't want to use list bandwith). Ciao Stefano > I want the whole MIDI stream wireless. I have a WX5 wind controller (MIDI > sax) and I want to be able to walk around without dragging a cord behind > me, just like guitarists get to do. MidiMan used to make one, but no > longer, and the company Aquila won't return my inquiries. Some people have > suggested using a wireless network card, but the mod on that seems a bit > over my head. The primary issue is error correction. I've been wondering > about wireless modems (radio, not infrared, then there's no line-of-sight > issues), but have been too busy on other projects to jump into that quagmire. > > Of course, if anyone else thinks this is a cool idea... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 12:44:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06115; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:43:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:43:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:40:59 EDT Subject: Re: Kyma thoughts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 00-08-11 06:23:11 EDT, you write: << (Unfortunately the rest of my life is falling to bits) :) >> gareth......we must maintain our priorities.......:)........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 14:30:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08070; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:27:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:27:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c003c1$57f947e0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <200008102138.RAA23165@hemlock.violacea.com> <396AC560.769C0130@dial.pipex.com> Subject: Re: Kyma thoughts Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:24:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds like you're having fun! > Incidentally Dennis I'd be very interested 'in beta testing your looper > specific modules' Good! I had a eureka moment last week and now I'm busily re-writing my microsounds (ver 2.0 - New! Improved! Whitens your teeth AS you drive!). I'll be certain to let you know when they're set to fly. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 14:35:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08298; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:34:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:34:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jonrosco@cs.com Message-ID: <71.5b41c27.26c5a0fb@cs.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:33:31 EDT Subject: Re: Kyma thoughts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I WANT TO GET OFF THIS STUPID LOOPERS_DELIGHT,PLEASE I'M TIRED OF THIS EMAIL CAN SOMEONE GET MY NAME OFF, NOT TO BE RUDE OR ANYTHING I JUST DON"T HAVE THE TIME FOR THIS AT THE MOMENT THANKS BYE NOW From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 14:54:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08754; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:53:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:53:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 01:33:13 -0400 (EDT) From: noah To: LOOPERS-DELIGHT@loopers-delight.com cc: JONROSCO@cs.com Subject: RE: KYMA THOUGHTS In-Reply-To: <71.5b41c27.26c5a0fb@cs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK YOU CAN GET OFF THE STUPID LIST NOW. SEND MAIL TO LOOPERS-DELIGHT-REQUEST@LOOPERS-DELIGHT.COM WITH UNSUBSCRIBE IN THE SUBJECT AND BODY. NOT TO BE RUDE OR ANYTHING, BUT THE KEY NEXT TO "A" THAT MAKES THE PRETTY LIGHT GO ON MAKES YOUR EMAIL LOOK LIKE IT WAS WRITTEN BY A NEANDERTHAL. THANKS BYE NOW -><- On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 Jonrosco@cs.com wrote: > I WANT TO GET OFF THIS STUPID LOOPERS_DELIGHT,PLEASE I'M TIRED OF THIS EMAIL > CAN SOMEONE GET MY NAME OFF, NOT TO BE RUDE OR ANYTHING I JUST DON"T HAVE THE > TIME FOR THIS AT THE MOMENT > THANKS BYE NOW > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 15:04:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09184; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:03:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:03:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401c003c6$dfc4f9d0$53c6c7cf@stevelaptop> From: "Steve Rudolph" To: References: Subject: here's to neanderthals Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:03:45 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not that being a neanderthal is all that bad. ----- Original Message ----- From: "noah" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 10:33 PM Subject: RE: KYMA THOUGHTS > > OK YOU CAN GET OFF THE STUPID LIST NOW. SEND MAIL TO > LOOPERS-DELIGHT-REQUEST@LOOPERS-DELIGHT.COM WITH UNSUBSCRIBE IN THE > SUBJECT AND BODY. NOT TO BE RUDE OR ANYTHING, BUT THE KEY NEXT TO "A" THAT > MAKES THE PRETTY LIGHT GO ON MAKES YOUR EMAIL LOOK LIKE IT WAS WRITTEN BY > A NEANDERTHAL. > > THANKS BYE NOW > > -><- > > On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 Jonrosco@cs.com wrote: > > > I WANT TO GET OFF THIS STUPID LOOPERS_DELIGHT,PLEASE I'M TIRED OF THIS EMAIL > > CAN SOMEONE GET MY NAME OFF, NOT TO BE RUDE OR ANYTHING I JUST DON"T HAVE THE > > TIME FOR THIS AT THE MOMENT > > THANKS BYE NOW > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 15:10:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09392; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:09:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:09:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41307A0@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: here's to neanderthals Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:08:06 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yeah, it's just that snobby cromag stuff coming out . . . -----Original Message----- From: Steve Rudolph [mailto:spr@home.com] Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 12:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: here's to neanderthals not that being a neanderthal is all that bad. ----- Original Message ----- From: "noah" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 10:33 PM Subject: RE: KYMA THOUGHTS > > OK YOU CAN GET OFF THE STUPID LIST NOW. SEND MAIL TO > LOOPERS-DELIGHT-REQUEST@LOOPERS-DELIGHT.COM WITH UNSUBSCRIBE IN THE > SUBJECT AND BODY. NOT TO BE RUDE OR ANYTHING, BUT THE KEY NEXT TO "A" THAT > MAKES THE PRETTY LIGHT GO ON MAKES YOUR EMAIL LOOK LIKE IT WAS WRITTEN BY > A NEANDERTHAL. > > THANKS BYE NOW > > -><- > > On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 Jonrosco@cs.com wrote: > > > I WANT TO GET OFF THIS STUPID LOOPERS_DELIGHT,PLEASE I'M TIRED OF THIS EMAIL > > CAN SOMEONE GET MY NAME OFF, NOT TO BE RUDE OR ANYTHING I JUST DON"T HAVE THE > > TIME FOR THIS AT THE MOMENT > > THANKS BYE NOW > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 15:19:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09617; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:18:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:18:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3994521C.A94CCCD3@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:25:52 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: paleolithic loop References: <004401c003c6$dfc4f9d0$53c6c7cf@stevelaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve Rudolph wrote: > not that being a neanderthal is all that bad. > er, i think the operative phrase is "was"... :-) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 15:32:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09916; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:30:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:30:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.8254a8d.26c5ae0c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:29:16 EDT Subject: Re: Kyma thoughts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com unsubsribe. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 15:33:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10061; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:32:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:32:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 02:11:59 -0400 (EDT) From: noah To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI Data looping (Go to buzztrack.com) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000810154707.007ca2b0@col-ed.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com KeyKit is beautiful. I've been looking for something like this for eons. Thanks for the link! I've yet to try BuildingBlocks... it sounds like Buzz for midi. If that's the case, I'd pay a lot more than 100 bucks... Speaking of Buzz, I must must must plug it all I can. It's incredible. Everyone needs it. It's not useful for realtime, but having grown up on trackers, I couldn't live without it. It's been compared to ProTools, yet it's free! Anyone who composes anything must use it. USE IT. sorry. I'd describe it further, but the buzztrackers do a better job than I ever could. -><- On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Timoth E. Gard wrote: > >Tell me more about KeyKit and BuildingBlocks. I've looked at both of > these in > >the past but have never had the time try them. > > KeyKit is the bomb when it comes to algorithmic composition. But I find > it's also good for some real-time processing. There's a mixed text/graphics > interface with lots of tools for dealing with tracks, controllers, phrases, > etc. There's even more statistically advanced features like the ability to > create new tracks based on general characteristics of another track/phrase > (Markov Maker). The data stream is in text form, so it's quite easy to > manipulate. Plus, I think it's been ported to every platform but Atari2600. > It's very small and efficient. Check out Tim Thompson's website. There's > plenty more info there, plus he has some of the tools available in > web-accessible form. Cool. > > Whereas KeyKit is mostly programmatical and composition-oriented, > BuildingBlocks is mostly graphical and performance-oriented. You have small > modules that perform different tasks (note in, echo, arpeggiators) and you > graphically connect them, i.e. drag a line from the output of one to the > input of another. Oh, and it's also set up to allow input from the > keyboard, from mice and from joysticks (2 buttons or 3!). Since the > learning curve is shorter for me with BB, I tend to favor it for capturing > peformance ideas on the fly. It has a very LEGO feel to it. And don't rule > it out for composing -- one fellow just used it as the major composition > engine in a minimalist piece. I can't recall his name right now. It's on > the BB website. > > Wow. How's that for a sales pitch? Which reminds me, KeyKit is FREE, and BB > is under $100 (don't remember the exact price). > > >Probably not what you're after, but I've played around with combining a > >mouse-to-MIDI program (mouse movement generates two MIDI CC data streams) > with a > >wireless (infrared) mouse. It's fun! > > That's a great idea! Sounds like fun. BB might be down your alley. > > >What kind of MIDI do you want to transmit (wirelessly)? > > I want the whole MIDI stream wireless. I have a WX5 wind controller (MIDI > sax) and I want to be able to walk around without dragging a cord behind > me, just like guitarists get to do. MidiMan used to make one, but no > longer, and the company Aquila won't return my inquiries. Some people have > suggested using a wireless network card, but the mod on that seems a bit > over my head. The primary issue is error correction. I've been wondering > about wireless modems (radio, not infrared, then there's no line-of-sight > issues), but have been too busy on other projects to jump into that quagmire. > > Of course, if anyone else thinks this is a cool idea... > > Hope all of this helps somebody, anybody. > > Tim > http://www.quiltedfish.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 16:14:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10793; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:13:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:13:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.13.74.18] Reply-To: robdunl@idir.net From: "Robert Dunlap" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI Data looping (Go to buzztrack.com) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:11:14 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2000 20:11:15.0271 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D61CD70:01C003D0] Resent-Message-ID: <1UM3vD.A.tnC._3Fl5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Noah, Thanks for the subtle tip on buzztrack.....pretty cool page. >From: noah >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: MIDI Data looping (Go to buzztrack.com) >Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 02:11:59 -0400 (EDT) > > >KeyKit is beautiful. I've been looking for something like this for eons. >Thanks for the link! I've yet to try BuildingBlocks... it sounds like >Buzz for midi. If that's the case, I'd pay a lot more than 100 bucks... > >Speaking of Buzz, I must must must plug it all I can. It's incredible. >Everyone needs it. It's not useful for realtime, but having grown up on >trackers, I couldn't live without it. It's been compared to ProTools, yet >it's free! Anyone who composes anything must use it. USE IT. > >sorry. I'd describe it further, but the buzztrackers do a better job than >I ever could. > >-><- > >On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Timoth E. Gard wrote: > > > >Tell me more about KeyKit and BuildingBlocks. I've looked at both of > > these in > > >the past but have never had the time try them. > > > > KeyKit is the bomb when it comes to algorithmic composition. But I find > > it's also good for some real-time processing. There's a mixed >text/graphics > > interface with lots of tools for dealing with tracks, controllers, >phrases, > > etc. There's even more statistically advanced features like the ability >to > > create new tracks based on general characteristics of another >track/phrase > > (Markov Maker). The data stream is in text form, so it's quite easy to > > manipulate. Plus, I think it's been ported to every platform but >Atari2600. > > It's very small and efficient. Check out Tim Thompson's website. There's > > plenty more info there, plus he has some of the tools available in > > web-accessible form. Cool. > > > > Whereas KeyKit is mostly programmatical and composition-oriented, > > BuildingBlocks is mostly graphical and performance-oriented. You have >small > > modules that perform different tasks (note in, echo, arpeggiators) and >you > > graphically connect them, i.e. drag a line from the output of one to the > > input of another. Oh, and it's also set up to allow input from the > > keyboard, from mice and from joysticks (2 buttons or 3!). Since the > > learning curve is shorter for me with BB, I tend to favor it for >capturing > > peformance ideas on the fly. It has a very LEGO feel to it. And don't >rule > > it out for composing -- one fellow just used it as the major composition > > engine in a minimalist piece. I can't recall his name right now. It's on > > the BB website. > > > > Wow. How's that for a sales pitch? Which reminds me, KeyKit is FREE, and >BB > > is under $100 (don't remember the exact price). > > > > >Probably not what you're after, but I've played around with combining a > > >mouse-to-MIDI program (mouse movement generates two MIDI CC data >streams) > > with a > > >wireless (infrared) mouse. It's fun! > > > > That's a great idea! Sounds like fun. BB might be down your alley. > > > > >What kind of MIDI do you want to transmit (wirelessly)? > > > > I want the whole MIDI stream wireless. I have a WX5 wind controller >(MIDI > > sax) and I want to be able to walk around without dragging a cord behind > > me, just like guitarists get to do. MidiMan used to make one, but no > > longer, and the company Aquila won't return my inquiries. Some people >have > > suggested using a wireless network card, but the mod on that seems a bit > > over my head. The primary issue is error correction. I've been wondering > > about wireless modems (radio, not infrared, then there's no >line-of-sight > > issues), but have been too busy on other projects to jump into that >quagmire. > > > > Of course, if anyone else thinks this is a cool idea... > > > > Hope all of this helps somebody, anybody. > > > > Tim > > http://www.quiltedfish.com > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 03:01:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17412; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:59:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:59:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <399503F3.65CF4E76@erols.com> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 03:00:25 -0500 From: "J.G. Wong" Reply-To: adaaxs@erols.com Organization: Tokusatsu.com, Tokusatsu Access Archive X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: echolette,Echorec question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi , At work I've just been told to dispose of several thousand record players that run at 8, 16 and 33rpm. they have 8 inch turntables that are about a half inch thick. Is this physical arrangement appropriate to make a primitive Echolette or echorec ? If so it would be a cool use of what will be trash. G. Wong From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 04:58:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18605; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 04:57:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 04:57:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [148.233.251.84] From: "Alejandro Martínez" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Lexicon Jam Man memory upgrade... Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:56:47 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2000 08:56:47.0149 (UTC) FILETIME=[3EEA2DD0:01C0043B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I´m new in this mailing list and I know this has to be one of the most asked questions but (here it goes again!): Do somebody know were to find the Lexicon Jam Man memory upgrade? (for the best price), actually I´ve read the mailing list archives and the only place I located it was at roguemus@ix.netcom.com for $72 plus shipping but I would like to know if there´s a better place/price. I live in Mexico but it would be great to know about a place who sell it in the U.S. Thanks for your time! Alex. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 10:15:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20457; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:14:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:14:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:13:05 -0400 Subject: Re: MIDI Data looping (Go to buzztrack.com) From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If any of this is available on the Mac platform, I'd appreciate hearing about it. And where is" Tim Thompson's website" to be found? Thanks. David Myers > > KeyKit is beautiful. I've been looking for something like this for eons. > Thanks for the link! I've yet to try BuildingBlocks... it sounds like > Buzz for midi. If that's the case, I'd pay a lot more than 100 bucks... > > Speaking of Buzz, I must must must plug it all I can. It's incredible. > Everyone needs it. It's not useful for realtime, but having grown up on > trackers, I couldn't live without it. It's been compared to ProTools, yet > it's free! Anyone who composes anything must use it. USE IT. > > sorry. I'd describe it further, but the buzztrackers do a better job than > I ever could. > > -><- > > On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Timoth E. Gard wrote: > >>> Tell me more about KeyKit and BuildingBlocks. I've looked at both of >> these in >>> the past but have never had the time try them. >> >> KeyKit is the bomb when it comes to algorithmic composition. But I find >> it's also good for some real-time processing. There's a mixed text/graphics >> interface with lots of tools for dealing with tracks, controllers, phrases, >> etc. There's even more statistically advanced features like the ability to >> create new tracks based on general characteristics of another track/phrase >> (Markov Maker). The data stream is in text form, so it's quite easy to >> manipulate. Plus, I think it's been ported to every platform but Atari2600. >> It's very small and efficient. Check out Tim Thompson's website. There's >> plenty more info there, plus he has some of the tools available in >> web-accessible form. Cool. >> >> Whereas KeyKit is mostly programmatical and composition-oriented, >> BuildingBlocks is mostly graphical and performance-oriented. You have small >> modules that perform different tasks (note in, echo, arpeggiators) and you >> graphically connect them, i.e. drag a line from the output of one to the >> input of another. Oh, and it's also set up to allow input from the >> keyboard, from mice and from joysticks (2 buttons or 3!). Since the >> learning curve is shorter for me with BB, I tend to favor it for capturing >> peformance ideas on the fly. It has a very LEGO feel to it. And don't rule >> it out for composing -- one fellow just used it as the major composition >> engine in a minimalist piece. I can't recall his name right now. It's on >> the BB website. >> >> Wow. How's that for a sales pitch? Which reminds me, KeyKit is FREE, and BB >> is under $100 (don't remember the exact price). >> >>> Probably not what you're after, but I've played around with combining a >>> mouse-to-MIDI program (mouse movement generates two MIDI CC data streams) >> with a >>> wireless (infrared) mouse. It's fun! >> >> That's a great idea! Sounds like fun. BB might be down your alley. >> >>> What kind of MIDI do you want to transmit (wirelessly)? >> >> I want the whole MIDI stream wireless. I have a WX5 wind controller (MIDI >> sax) and I want to be able to walk around without dragging a cord behind >> me, just like guitarists get to do. MidiMan used to make one, but no >> longer, and the company Aquila won't return my inquiries. Some people have >> suggested using a wireless network card, but the mod on that seems a bit >> over my head. The primary issue is error correction. I've been wondering >> about wireless modems (radio, not infrared, then there's no line-of-sight >> issues), but have been too busy on other projects to jump into that quagmire. >> >> Of course, if anyone else thinks this is a cool idea... >> >> Hope all of this helps somebody, anybody. >> >> Tim >> http://www.quiltedfish.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 12:48:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22095; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 12:46:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 12:46:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c0047c$d6392920$909cd8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Ztar for looping Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 09:46:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C00442.28DE8C00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C00442.28DE8C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is anyone on this list using a Starr Labs controller to generate audio = for looping purposes? I would like to hear from any Ztar owners who = incorporate looping in their performances--go ahead and contact me at = relayonemanband@cts.com. Thanks! Gary PS No, I don't have this device myself, but am interested to see if = anyone is controller a looping device from the unit in addition to using = it to drive a synth. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C00442.28DE8C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is anyone on this list using a Starr Labs controller = to=20 generate audio for looping purposes?  I would like to hear from any = Ztar=20 owners who incorporate looping in their performances--go ahead and = contact me at=20 relayonemanband@cts.com. = ;=20 Thanks!
Gary
PS  No, I don't have this device myself, but am = interested to see if anyone is controller a looping device from the unit = in=20 addition to using it to drive a synth.
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C00442.28DE8C00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 15:03:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23477; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:02:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:02:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39959E73.C905DDC5@virtulink.com> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 14:58:59 -0400 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: WKCR Indian Music Netcast Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------1C509844EFF66A9478B88802" Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1C509844EFF66A9478B88802 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check it out folks, you can hear it on the net. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm --------------1C509844EFF66A9478B88802 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="wkcrfest.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="wkcrfest.txt" Subject: WKCR Festival Date: 09 Aug 2000 20:52:18 GMT From: garamwkcr@aol.com (Garamwkcr) Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.classical Hello, all: Please find below a schedule for WKCR's annual South Asian music festival, happening August 12-14th. This year, we are focusing on a few prominent gharanas & families. Of course, a 40-hour festival (commercial-free, as always) cannot do anything but give a taste of the Hindustani & Carnatic traditions, and we only have time to touch upon a few artists. (I know, many legends and rising young artists are--inevitably--missing!) Join us at 89.9 FM (New York metropolitan area) or online at www.wkcr.org. You may also request complete playlists after the festival is completed from garamwkcr@aol.com. Warmest regards, A. Tsioulcas Host, Garam Masala WKCR-FM New York 89.9 garamwkcr@aol.com SOUTH ASIAN MUSIC FESTIVAL WKCR-FM NEW YORK 89.9 AUGUST 12-14, 2000 This year's festival features some of the most prominent gharanas (schools) and musical families. Please note that all times are approximate and subject to change. This list presents most, but not all, artists to be featured during the festival. SATURDAY, AUGUST 12 10:00 AM-3:00 PM: The Seni Baba Allauddin Gharana (Ali Akbar Khan, Nikhil Banerjee, Ravi Shankar, Anoushka Shankar, Annapurna Khan, Hariprasad Charausia) 3:00-8:30 PM: The Patiala Gharana (Bade Ghulam Ali Khan, Lakshmi Shankar, Ajoy Chakrabarty, Dilshad Khan, Parveen Sultana) 8:30-11:00 PM: The Sarangi Tradition of Ram Narayan (Ram Narayan, Aruna Narayan, Brij Narayan) 11:00 PM- 2:00 AM: V. Lakshminarayana, Classical Music, and Fusion (V. Lakshminarayana, L. Shankar, L. Subramaniam) 2:00 AM-4:00 AM: Hafiz Ali Khan and the sarod (Hafiz Ali Khan, Amjad Ali Khan, Amaan Ali Bangash, Ayaan Ali Bangash) 4:00-6:00 AM: The Carnatic Tradition (Lalgudi G. Jayaraman, Bombay S. Jayashri) 6:00-9:00 AM: The Dagar Family (Moinuddin & Aminuddin Dagar, N. Zahiruddin & N. Faiyazuddin Dagar, Zia Mohiuddin Dagar) 9:00 AM-12:00 PM: The Rise of the Santoor in Hindustani Classical Music (Shivkumar Sharma, Tarun Bhattacharya, Satish Vyas) 12:00-5:00 PM: The Legacy of Imdad Khan (Vilayat Khan, Shujaat Khan, Imrat Khan, Nishat Khan, Irshad Khan, Shafaatullah Khan, Rais Khan) 5:00-9:00 PM: The Jaipur-Atrauli Gharana (Kishori Amonkar, Mallikarjun Mansur, Shruti Sadolikar, Padma Talwalkar) 9:00-11:00 PM: The Punjab Gharana of Tabla (Allarakha, Zakir Hussain) 11:00 PM-2:00 AM: The Qawwali Heritage (Mubarak Ali Khan, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, Rahat Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan) --------------1C509844EFF66A9478B88802-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 16:42:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24762; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:41:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:41:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c0049d$5b35c140$15011eac@mlameyer02> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: <001801c0047c$d6392920$909cd8cc@gary> Subject: Re: Ztar for looping Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:39:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C0047B.D37A9AD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C0047B.D37A9AD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nope, although I am planning to do the same thing! It looks like it = shouldn't be too much trouble to program some of the "drum" pads to send = the proper sysex strings to the echoplex though. That's my plan anyway. = Maybe even try to reduce the number of foot taps for some functions to = one finger whap, if I can. Ordered a Z2 from Harvey, still waiting, but has anyone already = mentioned that there appears to be no Echoplexes being manufactured = right now? I just put my name on the waiting-list-from-hell at Alto. = They said manufacturing wouldn't rev back up until the fall. Has anyone = else confirmed this? Mike ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gary Lehmann=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 12:46 PM Subject: Ztar for looping Is anyone on this list using a Starr Labs controller to generate audio = for looping purposes? I would like to hear from any Ztar owners who = incorporate looping in their performances--go ahead and contact me at = relayonemanband@cts.com. Thanks! Gary PS No, I don't have this device myself, but am interested to see if = anyone is controller a looping device from the unit in addition to using = it to drive a synth. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C0047B.D37A9AD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nope, although I am planning to do = the same=20 thing!  It looks like it shouldn't be too much trouble to program = some of=20 the "drum" pads to send the proper sysex strings to the echoplex = though. =20 That's my plan anyway.  Maybe even try to reduce the number of foot = taps=20 for some functions to one finger whap, if I can.
 
Ordered a Z2 from Harvey, still = waiting, but has=20 anyone already mentioned that there appears to be no Echoplexes being=20 manufactured right now?  I just put my name on the = waiting-list-from-hell=20 at Alto.  They said manufacturing wouldn't rev back up until the=20 fall.  Has anyone else confirmed this?
 
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gary=20 Lehmann
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com=20
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 = 12:46=20 PM
Subject: Ztar for looping

Is anyone on this list using a Starr Labs = controller to=20 generate audio for looping purposes?  I would like to hear from = any Ztar=20 owners who incorporate looping in their performances--go ahead and = contact me=20 at relayonemanband@cts.com. = ;=20 Thanks!
Gary
PS  No, I don't have this device myself, but = am=20 interested to see if anyone is controller a looping device from the = unit in=20 addition to using it to drive a = synth.
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C0047B.D37A9AD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 17:06:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25200; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 17:05:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 17:05:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c004a0$b3dda620$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> From: "BC" To: References: <001801c0047c$d6392920$909cd8cc@gary> <002301c0049d$5b35c140$15011eac@mlameyer02> Subject: Re: echoplex waiting list (was Ztar for looping) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 14:03:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C00466.072AE1C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C00466.072AE1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > manufacturing wouldn't rev back up until the fall. Has anyone else = confirmed this? that's what I heard from Sweetwater.com. They told me to expect late = November at this point.=20 -Bob ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C00466.072AE1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> manufacturing wouldn't rev back up = until the=20 fall.  Has anyone else confirmed this?
 
that's what I heard from = Sweetwater.com. They told=20 me to expect late November at this point.
 
-Bob
 
 ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C00466.072AE1C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 17:16:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25684; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 17:16:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 17:16:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200008122115.OAA09179@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:24:39 -0500 Subject: The set up From: "michele wortman&guy aitchison" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi! I just subscribed to the loopers delight and have a question to post. Can anyone offer me any advice on what type of laptop to purchace for constructing loops and being able to output multimedia files through a multimedia projector? I know that I need at least6g.b ofhard drive and 64m.b of Ram. I am a mac user but it seems it might be easier to go the p.c route for using acid and sonic foundry. Any imput would be helpful. Thanks, M www.hyperspacestudios.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 17:27:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26080; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 17:25:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 17:25:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SConner100@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 17:24:32 EDT Subject: Re: Ztar for looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I talked to the Gibson rep the other day. I work at a store that will be able to get these (I one on order for myself). They will start shipping in Oct. Later, Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 21:16:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28242; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 21:15:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 21:15:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c004c4$ed808d60$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: "Loopers List" Subject: Sync Software to EDP Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 18:22:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone who has experience with syncing PC software like Cubase, Acid, etc. to the EDP please let me know- I want to have drums from the computer sync to my loops but Acid only accepts Midi Timecode- is there a way to translate Midi Clock to timecode real-time? Thanks- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 22:39:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29192; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:38:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:38:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Brian Mulvey" To: Subject: Re: MIDI Data looping (Go to buzztrack.com) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:23:02 -0400 Message-ID: <01c004cd$683cdd80$b28b1a26@brian-s-compute> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Speaking of Buzz, I must must must plug it all I can. It's incredible. >> Everyone needs it. It's not useful for realtime, but having grown up on >> trackers, I couldn't live without it. It's been compared to ProTools, yet >> it's free! Anyone who composes anything must use it. USE IT. I dont think comparisons to Pro Tools are really accurate, it's not a recording program.. more like Max/MSP on a freeware windows angle. And by the way, what makes it not useful for realtime? It's a GREAT real time program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 23:30:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29965; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:29:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:29:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: MIDI Data looping (Go to buzztrack.com) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 20:33:22 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01c004cd$683cdd80$b28b1a26@brian-s-compute> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What does Buzz do? I haven't heard of it... K > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Mulvey [mailto:bdmulvey@earthlink.net] > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 7:23 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: MIDI Data looping (Go to buzztrack.com) > > > >> Speaking of Buzz, I must must must plug it all I can. It's incredible. > >> Everyone needs it. It's not useful for realtime, but having grown up on > >> trackers, I couldn't live without it. It's been compared to > ProTools, yet > >> it's free! Anyone who composes anything must use it. USE IT. > > I dont think comparisons to Pro Tools are really accurate, it's not a > recording > program.. more like Max/MSP on a freeware windows angle. And by the way, > what makes it not useful for realtime? It's a GREAT real time program. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 23:30:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29986; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:29:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:29:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: The set up Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 20:33:03 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200008122115.OAA09179@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Michele, I don't know if you gave me enough of what I need to answer your question but I'll try... Multimedia files through a multimedia projector, eh? That's the part that's vague. Generally, get the best laptop - meaning the most powerful - that you can for your money. If your multimedia files are Director files, then you should know that multimedia developers (like me) have had problems getting Director audio to play properly through IBM laptops. This is due to the sound technology IBM uses. I think it's called mWave, but I could be wrong... I stay away from IBM laptops these days and, since there are so many other good ones out there anyway, if it were me, I'd stay away from IBM laptops for your needs as well. Good brands are Sony, Toshiba, Dell, Gateway and Compaq; I have a Dell. Clones are available too but, while I build my own desktops and servers, I just don't like clone laptops. If you don't mind, you can probably save some money here but, again, I'd be careful and selective about what I buy. You don't want it to fail in the middle of a presentation. What kind of multimedia projector? What are the inputs? Most any laptop has a VGA video out, but if you have a projector that you know you'll be using each time you give a presentation, then I would look in the Owner's Manual to see what inputs are available and which will give you the best quality - if there's a difference. Match that up against the video outputs on your laptop to make sure you can get a connection. Although it's generally true that "the more the merrier," I don't think you'll need 6 GB of storage, unless you'll need that for other things. You'll have to check but Sonic Foundry's ACID may save files in something like a MIDI format. If this is the case, then your looping sound files will be very small. And BTW, if you're using Director, it won't import ACID files. You'd do better to build it as a wave (which will take some disk space), and set the Loop property to TRUE in the Cast Member properties. I'd take some of the cash saved by buying a smaller hard drive (again, if this is all you'll use it for), and spend more money on RAM. You can't ever have enough RAM, especially on a laptop. If you haven't had a laptop before, be prepared to find it sluggish compared to a desktop of similar CPU and overall quality. RAM really makes a difference here. I have 96 MB on my laptop, but I'd prefer to have 128. When I had 64 MB of RAM on it, Windows 98 would load about 62 MB just on bootup. (Of course, it is a fully loaded laptop and I have a number of TSRs that run in the System Tray.) Point is, if Windows 98 feels like it needs that much RAM and I'm getting ready to show some flashy Director presentation, well, I'd just as soon add the Director stuff on top of that 62. Even with 96 MB, you can load a large Director presentation completely in RAM before it launches, thereby giving you just about the best performance you can get. Good luck, Kevin P.S. I'm pretty new to this list too, but just wanted to give you a heads-up that you aren't likely to find many ACID users here... yours is the first post I've seen. Most of the folks here (including me) are real musician types, or at least so we'd like to think... :-) > hi! I just subscribed to the loopers delight and have a question to post. > Can anyone offer me any advice on what type of laptop to purchace for > constructing loops and being able to output multimedia files through a > multimedia projector? I know that I need at least6g.b ofhard > drive and 64m.b > of Ram. I am a mac user but it seems it might be easier to go the > p.c route > for using acid and sonic foundry. Any imput would be helpful. > Thanks, M > www.hyperspacestudios.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 23:31:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30433; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:30:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:30:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: MIDI Data looping (Go to buzztrack.com) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 20:34:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01c004cd$683cdd80$b28b1a26@brian-s-compute> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Nevermind the last email. I just saw your subject heading and bounced out to buzztrac.com. Thanks anyway, K > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Mulvey [mailto:bdmulvey@earthlink.net] > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 7:23 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: MIDI Data looping (Go to buzztrack.com) > > > >> Speaking of Buzz, I must must must plug it all I can. It's incredible. > >> Everyone needs it. It's not useful for realtime, but having grown up on > >> trackers, I couldn't live without it. It's been compared to > ProTools, yet > >> it's free! Anyone who composes anything must use it. USE IT. > > I dont think comparisons to Pro Tools are really accurate, it's not a > recording > program.. more like Max/MSP on a freeware windows angle. And by the way, > what makes it not useful for realtime? It's a GREAT real time program. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 23:39:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30880; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:38:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:38:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:18:36 -0400 (EDT) From: noah To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI Data looping (Go to buzztrack.com) In-Reply-To: <01c004cd$683cdd80$b28b1a26@brian-s-compute> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >> Speaking of Buzz, I must must must plug it all I can. It's incredible. > >> Everyone needs it. It's not useful for realtime, but having grown up on > >> trackers, I couldn't live without it. It's been compared to ProTools, yet > >> it's free! Anyone who composes anything must use it. USE IT. > > I dont think comparisons to Pro Tools are really accurate, it's not a > recording > program.. more like Max/MSP on a freeware windows angle. And by the way, > what makes it not useful for realtime? It's a GREAT real time program. This is admittedly true... Almost all parameters can be assigned to MIDI CC and tweaked in realtime, but I have no ASIO compliant soundcard, so latency is unmanageable in my case. I use it primarily as a composition tool, having grown up on trackers, it's a very intuitive interface for me. The pro tools comparison comes from the similar effects model, I think. -><- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 00:30:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31668; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 00:29:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 00:29:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 21:30:06 -0700 Subject: Re: The set up From: Andrew Pask To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8sE7MC.A.buH.QQil5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >> of Ram. I am a mac user but it seems it might be easier to go the >> p.c route Ugh.Don't go near the dark side.Get a Pismo 4 or 500 dual firewire.You can do EVERYTHING on it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 00:36:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31876; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 00:35:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 00:35:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 21:40:52 -0700 Subject: RE: Eventide Orville Questions From: Vance Galloway To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200008102138.RAA23166@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I heard Orville kicks Kyma (in flexibility and DSP power). is this true, > having in mind that Symbolic Sound's Kyma is expandable up to 28 DSPs? >>I'm a Kyma owner so I'm quite familiar with it. After reading the Orville >>manuals (all three including the programming manual), it's clear to me that >>Kyma >>is quite a bit more powerful and flexible. I am an owner of both units and I can say that, without a doubt, Kyma is more powerful and more flexible than an Orville. However, It's not all as simple as just those two statements. Without having to go into extended discussion my thought is that the Kyma is much simpler to program complex (or even simple) totally custom patches in. Orville, frankly, is pretty tough to program. After all, the Kyma has a dedicated front end software package. This is the ONLY front end to Kyma. Kyma also contains a much larger and far, far more flexible set of primitive modules than Orville does. Kyma can also be more expensive, depending on the options/DSP cards you get. However, in the Orville you get a machine that has built in some great algorithms. I wouldn't want to try to make a realistic sounding reverb in Kyma (even though it is totally possible) because I would be connecting modules and testing filter coefficients forever and ever to get it to sound right. With the Orville, I pull up a reverb patch. With Orville you also do not have to have a computer with you when you play. You WILL need this if you use a Kyma. There is NO way around it. I use a Mac G3 laptop for this purpose, though I have seen PC laptops doing the job very nicely. The Orville and Kyma are, in some ways, similar: they both allow the connection of virtual DSP modules into larger patches in almost any conceivable combination. Kyma has more overall power and a more advanced editing front end. Orville have more advanced primitive modules from which to build and can be quicker to get up and running on. It is built more like an effects box and is meant to travel like one and does not require a computer. I love, love LOVE the folks at both companies: Symbolic Sound (kyma) and Eventide (orville) and think they both make amazing products. Each one is better for specific folks in specific situations. Personally, I believe that I could do more with programming patches for looping using the Kyma than the Orville, BUT THIS IS JUST ME!!!!! It may be that the Orville does JUST what you want it to out of the box, or with MINIMAL programming and the it would be a better choice because of not having to carry a computer around. It's odd for me to think of it as Kyma vs Orville because I use them both and really don't think of one as overall "better" than the other. If someone wants to send me VERY specific questions about performing a specific function on each unit, I will do my best to answer them, but I don't think I could say any more about the generalities of which is "better". Vance ------------- Vance Galloway Chief Engineer/Systems Designer Sound Traffic Control - Audio Immersion Environments vanceg@earthlink.net www.soundtraffic.com ----------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 00:55:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA32203; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 00:54:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 00:54:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: The set up Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 21:57:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What kind of multimedia projector? What are the inputs? Most any laptop has a VGA video out, but if you have a projector that you know you'll be using each time you give a presentation, then I would look in the Owner's Manual to see what inputs are available and which will give you the best quality - if there's a difference. Match that up against the video outputs on your laptop to make sure you can get a connection. On this off topic, can anyone recommend a cheap video projector that isn't completely crap. I have this crazy idea of lighting my room on one wall with psychedlic screensavers, live video cams and pictures and films of natural splendour. Without paying an arm and a leg of course - all the stuff I can find on the web is in the $5,000 range. Damn! P.S. I'm pretty new to this list too, but just wanted to give you a heads-up that you aren't likely to find many ACID users here... yours is the first post I've seen. Most of the folks here (including me) are real musician types, or at least so we'd like to think... :-) I'm an Acidhead, though it isn't really the tool this list is about. You may find more like minded individuals on a dance music producers list. t's a composition tool though - I wouldn't use it live for anything - much easier to just burn the tracks to cd. bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is tempraily unavailable... Multimedia files through a multimedia projector, eh? That's the part that's vague. > hi! I just subscribed to the loopers delight and have a question to post. > Can anyone offer me any advice on what type of laptop to purchace for > constructing loops and being able to output multimedia files through a > multimedia projector? I know that I need at least6g.b ofhard > drive and 64m.b > of Ram. I am a mac user but it seems it might be easier to go the > p.c route > for using acid and sonic foundry. Any imput would be helpful. > Thanks, M > www.hyperspacestudios.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 01:18:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA32610; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 01:17:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 01:17:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: The set up Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:21:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> >>> of Ram. I am a mac user but it seems it might be easier to go the >>> p.c route > >Ugh.Don't go near the dark side.Get a Pismo 4 or 500 dual firewire.You can >do EVERYTHING on it. > > do it.... do it... it's blissss..... Seriously though, screw macs. I have a G4 and I know it inside and out, hardware and software. I was totally stoked to I get it, but it's a buggy piece of crap and overpriced, and I hear so much blind pro-mac nuttiness that I'm not afraid to say it any more. I'll stop now before I infuriate any more of the large number of mac head friends I have on this list. Naturally >your< mileage and theirs may vary. Waiting for OSx, bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is tempraily unavailable... -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Pask [mailto:andrew@kaleidacousticon.com] Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 9:30 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The set up > >> of Ram. I am a mac user but it seems it might be easier to go the >> p.c route Ugh.Don't go near the dark side.Get a Pismo 4 or 500 dual firewire.You can do EVERYTHING on it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 02:10:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA00800; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 02:09:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 02:09:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Sync Software to EDP Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:12:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <000c01c004c4$ed808d60$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, but I haven't seen a stragiht software solution, which is probably what you want. You could load a sequencer, like logic, slave that, and then slave acid to it, but it's tenous, and acid drifts and lags enough as it is. Not acid's fault - smpte and midi clock sync isn't perfect. bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is tempraily unavailable... -----Original Message----- From: Om_Audio [mailto:clifsound@mediaone.net] Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 6:22 PM To: Loopers List Subject: Sync Software to EDP Anyone who has experience with syncing PC software like Cubase, Acid, etc. to the EDP please let me know- I want to have drums from the computer sync to my loops but Acid only accepts Midi Timecode- is there a way to translate Midi Clock to timecode real-time? Thanks- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 05:32:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02569; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 05:31:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 05:31:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009001c00507$bca1bc80$546202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: The set up Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:41:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >P.S. I'm pretty new to this list too, but just wanted to give you a heads-up >that you aren't likely to find many ACID users here... yours is the first >post I've seen. Most of the folks here (including me) are real musician >types, or at least so we'd like to think... :-) > >I'm an Acidhead, though it isn't really the tool this list is about. You may >find more like minded individuals on a dance music producers list. t's a >composition tool though - I wouldn't use it live for anything - much easier >to just burn the tracks to cd. > Acid is about loops. Why shouldn't it be for this list? I found out that Acid in a combination with other programs, especially Soundforge and a lot of plugins, is the most quick and creative choice for me. I just throw in loops which I think could work together. I started making music with Cakewalk then I moved to Logic. Now I'm more and more working in Acid. Actually I made the song for Bluezette in Acid. Sonic Foundry's products (also Vegas) are the only ones which enable me to work in a full duplex mode. But I'm not pro, I could hardly consider myself as a musician. Rennie Pilgrem is on the other hand a pro. The latest nu skool breakbeat hit Black Widow was made in Acid. And he can afford anything... I personally don't think the gear makes you a pro. Daft punk made a lot of sounds on the yamaha su10 (are there any cheaper and more basic units?). the list of pros which used really basic gear is endless... I've also saw live performances with Acid. Worked fine. Greetings, Gregor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 06:57:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03080; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 06:57:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 06:57:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: Platform Wars Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 03:58:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As someone who's been on a Mac for 8 years and a PC for 8 years, I can say that there's pros and cons to both platforms. In fact, if we're all honest here, we'd HAVE to agree with that. So, please, let's just leave it at that and not have any platform wars... Kevin > Seriously though, screw macs. I have a G4 and I know it inside and out, > hardware and software. I was totally stoked to I get it, but it's a buggy > piece of crap and overpriced, and I hear so much blind pro-mac nuttiness > that I'm not afraid to say it any more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 08:51:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03640; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 08:50:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 08:50:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004901c00525$77fbe6a0$1618fac1@oemcomputer> From: "erwan.cornic" To: References: <001801c0047c$d6392920$909cd8cc@gary> <002301c0049d$5b35c140$15011eac@mlameyer02> <001401c004a0$b3dda620$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> Subject: Re: echoplex waiting list (was Ztar for looping) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 14:53:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01C00536.3A368BC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C00536.3A368BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable REMOVE ----- Original Message -----=20 From: BC=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 11:03 PM Subject: Re: echoplex waiting list (was Ztar for looping) > manufacturing wouldn't rev back up until the fall. 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 ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C00536.3A368BC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 09:30:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04036; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 09:29:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 09:29:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000001c00529$160ca7a0$ad6202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 15:13:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I WANT TO GET OFF THIS STUPID LOOPERS_DELIGHT,PLEASE I'M TIRED OF THIS EMAIL >CAN SOMEONE GET MY NAME OFF, NOT TO BE RUDE OR ANYTHING I JUST DON"T HAVE THE >TIME FOR THIS AT THE MOMENT > THANKS BYE NOW > Why can't ppl figure out that they can get off the list with just one mail... (can't remember the address:)) is it possible that the unsubscribe address gets attached to the bottom of the mail? this unsubscribe demands are getting boring. Gregor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 09:47:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04265; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 09:46:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 09:46:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c0052c$c555ac40$e90d78d8@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <000001c00529$160ca7a0$ad6202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> Subject: I Don't Want to Unsubscribe! Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 06:45:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But if I did, I could get that information from http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html and never have to decide which platform or what looping device or what controller or whether using prepared audio live is performing or not or whether my guitar sustains enough--I could forget it all! But I can't. G PS Ya really gotta spell "unsubribe" or whatever correctly if you want to stop this particular stream of thought. And keep trying!! PPS How many words can you make from "unsubscribe"? g From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 10:22:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04616; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:20:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:20:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <10.e86e29.26c80872@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:19:30 EDT Subject: Re: tape echos To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check this out. I have one...It works great. Click here: Burns Guitars London | Amtech Age-one echo machine Regards WWJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 10:49:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04922; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:48:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:48:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.172.208.19] Reply-To: robdunl@idir.net From: "Robert Dunlap" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: The set up Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 14:47:22 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2000 14:47:23.0041 (UTC) FILETIME=[63B25110:01C00535] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I personally carry a Sony Vaio 505, Compaq 3500 and an IBM 770 and have to travel all the time (systems analyst, internatioanal support). The Sony, although has some nice features like fire wire, is the most buggy, The IBM the most propiatrary, and the compaq pretty much crap in the audio department.....But with that said; I also carry a small projector from compaq, run about $4000.00 US but it works great with all three models. In short The projector is the key to successful multimedia on displays other then LCD/Monitor arrangements. >From: "Kevin Mulvihill" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: RE: The set up >Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 20:33:03 -0700 > >Hi Michele, > >I don't know if you gave me enough of what I need to answer your question >but I'll try... > >Multimedia files through a multimedia projector, eh? That's the part that's >vague. > >Generally, get the best laptop - meaning the most powerful - that you can >for your money. If your multimedia files are Director files, then you >should >know that multimedia developers (like me) have had problems getting >Director >audio to play properly through IBM laptops. This is due to the sound >technology IBM uses. I think it's called mWave, but I could be wrong... I >stay away from IBM laptops these days and, since there are so many other >good ones out there anyway, if it were me, I'd stay away from IBM laptops >for your needs as well. Good brands are Sony, Toshiba, Dell, Gateway and >Compaq; I have a Dell. Clones are available too but, while I build my own >desktops and servers, I just don't like clone laptops. If you don't mind, >you can probably save some money here but, again, I'd be careful and >selective about what I buy. You don't want it to fail in the middle of a >presentation. > >What kind of multimedia projector? What are the inputs? Most any laptop has >a VGA video out, but if you have a projector that you know you'll be using >each time you give a presentation, then I would look in the Owner's Manual >to see what inputs are available and which will give you the best quality - >if there's a difference. Match that up against the video outputs on your >laptop to make sure you can get a connection. > >Although it's generally true that "the more the merrier," I don't think >you'll need 6 GB of storage, unless you'll need that for other things. >You'll have to check but Sonic Foundry's ACID may save files in something >like a MIDI format. If this is the case, then your looping sound files will >be very small. And BTW, if you're using Director, it won't import ACID >files. You'd do better to build it as a wave (which will take some disk >space), and set the Loop property to TRUE in the Cast Member properties. > >I'd take some of the cash saved by buying a smaller hard drive (again, if >this is all you'll use it for), and spend more money on RAM. You can't ever >have enough RAM, especially on a laptop. If you haven't had a laptop >before, >be prepared to find it sluggish compared to a desktop of similar CPU and >overall quality. RAM really makes a difference here. I have 96 MB on my >laptop, but I'd prefer to have 128. When I had 64 MB of RAM on it, Windows >98 would load about 62 MB just on bootup. (Of course, it is a fully loaded >laptop and I have a number of TSRs that run in the System Tray.) Point is, >if Windows 98 feels like it needs that much RAM and I'm getting ready to >show some flashy Director presentation, well, I'd just as soon add the >Director stuff on top of that 62. Even with 96 MB, you can load a large >Director presentation completely in RAM before it launches, thereby giving >you just about the best performance you can get. > >Good luck, >Kevin > >P.S. I'm pretty new to this list too, but just wanted to give you a >heads-up >that you aren't likely to find many ACID users here... yours is the first >post I've seen. Most of the folks here (including me) are real musician >types, or at least so we'd like to think... :-) > > > > hi! I just subscribed to the loopers delight and have a question to >post. > > Can anyone offer me any advice on what type of laptop to purchace for > > constructing loops and being able to output multimedia files through a > > multimedia projector? I know that I need at least6g.b ofhard > > drive and 64m.b > > of Ram. I am a mac user but it seems it might be easier to go the > > p.c route > > for using acid and sonic foundry. Any imput would be helpful. > > Thanks, M > > www.hyperspacestudios.com > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 10:59:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05219; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:59:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:59:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c00536$f98b4240$e90d78d8@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <000001c00529$160ca7a0$ad6202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> <001101c0052c$c555ac40$e90d78d8@gary> Subject: Unavailable Echoplex available Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 07:58:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Two more days left on this Oberheim Echoplex-- http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=404516458 Also I have discovered that "unsubscribe" has two "usb" "parts"-- usb nicer usb Also bien unscrub us Whatever G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 12:04:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05940; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:03:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:03:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3996C6AB.FC5C6D0E@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 02:02:51 +1000 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I Don't Want to Unsubscribe! References: <000001c00529$160ca7a0$ad6202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> <001101c0052c$c555ac40$e90d78d8@gary> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6dER8B.A.RcB.wasl5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary Lehmann wrote: > > PPS How many words can you make from "unsubscribe"? > i don't know how many i can make but *all* of them can be found at http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=unsubscribe brad From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 18:59:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09506; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:58:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:58:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20000807195845.13849.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <5.0.0.11.2.20000807150900.00aca370@127.0.0.1> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:57:17 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: RE: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I wrote: >Mark Pulver wrote: > >>It's a great machine... They've been a LONG time getting into >>distribution. They were due out in early May, but various dealers >>just got *ONE* each last Wednesday. >> >>Mine shipped on Thursday, I should have it today if UPS is on my side. > >oh, my. you must send us a complete review of this. I am salivating... and At 12:58 PM -0700 8/7/00, Stephen wrote: >I just picked up Roland Handsonic - a midi hand drum - >WayWayWayKool(tm), and very accessable for anyone who >has ever mistaken a table top for a drumming surface - >http://www.rolandus.com/response.asp?id=r1_5_7_1 . It >has a number of fairly good ethnic drum sounds, and a >very good tabla implementaion. Awright, guys, it's been a week! Pony up with those reviews! /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 21:37:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11011; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:36:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:36:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.11.2.20000813201522.017750d8@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.0.11 (Beta) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:32:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: RE: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) In-Reply-To: References: <20000807195845.13849.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <5.0.0.11.2.20000807150900.00aca370@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Awright, guys, it's been a week! >Pony up with those reviews! Hey! I only got mine on Thursday! :) Very short form: This is so damn cool. Short form: Excellent sounds, excellent control, excellent onboard effects, sequencer is a bit weird (have to write pattern in order to keep it; setting the sound/volume/pan/reverb level for the metronome is an exercise in patience), *AWESOME* ability to define MIDI control. The manual is... typical Roland. :( The sysex section is excellent though. Bottom line: No regrets at all. Excellent product. Well worth waiting 6 months for. Highly recommended. The common street price looks like it's $995. Dealers still don't know when they'll get their next shipment. I recommend Rogue Music: Rogue Music http://www.roguemusic.com/ Dick Michaels [roguemus@ix.netcom.com] I have a lot of pressing stuff on my plate right now, but I will write up a full babble "soon". Of course, I still owe the world a large comparison I'm working on about the Q/Virus/Nord Modular. Ugh. Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 21:37:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11032; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:36:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:36:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:42:33 -0700 Subject: Orville/Kyma From: Vance Galloway To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200008131449.KAA05004@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com After reading back over my comments yesterday, I wanted to be 100% totally clear that I do believe that the Orville is THE most flexible, capable, amazing effects processor I have ever used or researched. I LOVE the thing and HIGHLY recommend it to anyone who wants a truly remarkable amazingly powerful very, very flexible processor, THIS is the way to go..... In any case, Vance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 21:53:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11473; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:52:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:52:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ea01c0052d$a8523180$782a6ccb@oemcomputer> From: "pierre ambroisine" To: References: <000001c00529$160ca7a0$ad6202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> <001101c0052c$c555ac40$e90d78d8@gary> <3996C6AB.FC5C6D0E@latrobe.edu.au> Subject: cleaver Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 23:45:02 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com your so amazingly cleaver, dickhead ---- Original Message ----- From: b.knox To: Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 2:02 AM Subject: Re: I Don't Want to Unsubscribe! > Gary Lehmann wrote: > > > > PPS How many words can you make from "unsubscribe"? > > > > i don't know how many i can make but *all* of them can be found at > > http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=unsubscribe > > > > brad > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 22:05:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11727; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:03:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:03:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c00593$cbc09060$5ff538cb@swoods> From: "stevenw" To: References: <000001c00529$160ca7a0$ad6202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> <001101c0052c$c555ac40$e90d78d8@gary> <3996C6AB.FC5C6D0E@latrobe.edu.au> <00ea01c0052d$a8523180$782a6ccb@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: cleaver Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:03:06 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please don't send this kind of language to the list Have some regard for the people on it. ----- Original Message ----- From: pierre ambroisine To: Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 11:45 PM Subject: cleaver > > your so amazingly cleaver, dickhead > > > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: b.knox > To: > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 2:02 AM > Subject: Re: I Don't Want to Unsubscribe! > > > > Gary Lehmann wrote: > > > > > > PPS How many words can you make from "unsubscribe"? > > > > > > > i don't know how many i can make but *all* of them can be found at > > > > http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=unsubscribe > > > > > > > > brad > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 22:06:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11899; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:05:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:05:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.240.220.181] From: "space module" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cleaver Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:04:41 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2000 02:04:41.0558 (UTC) FILETIME=[0223E760:01C00594] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "pierre ambroisine" said: > >your so amazingly cleaver, dickhead > > Cuts like a knife, huh? I don't even want know what it looks like. Stick that in your Box and Loop it. sm ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 22:12:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12114; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:09:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:09:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <024101c00593$f7480ec0$093c5cd1@-> To: From: "Bill Fox" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #177 Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:04:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #177 August 10, 2000. On this show, I continued the month-long focus on space music pioneer Michael Stearns. The feature CD at Midnight was "Planetary Unfolding" on the Sonic Atmospheres label. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm VA [John Dyson] Tempus Fugit A Groove Selection (Groove) Jean-Michel Jarre Part IV Oxygene (Dreyfus) Team Metlay Prologue: 0500 Ballistic (Atomic City) Team Metlay A Gathering of the Mighty Ballistic (Atomic City) Paul Ellis Part 3 Appears to Vanish (Neu Harmony) Ma Ja Le & J. Johnson Athelon Live Under a Harvest Moon (Zero Music) Fayman & Fripp The Sky Below A Temple in the Clouds (Projekt) Jonn Serrie Glyder Century Seasons (Miramar) 12:00 am Spectral Voices Inner Voices Coalescence (Spectral Spiral Music) Spectral Voices Mountainside Morning Coalescence (Spectral Spiral Music) Spectral Voices Haven in the Sun Coalescence (Spectral Spiral Music) Spectral Voices Incantation Coalescence (Spectral Spiral Music) Michael Stearns In the Beginning Planetary Unfolding (Sonic Atmospheres) Michael Stearns Toto, I've a Feeling... Planetary Unfolding (Sonic Atmospheres) Michael Stearns Wherever two or more... Planetary Unfolding (Sonic Atmospheres) Michael Stearns Life in the Gravity Well Planetary Unfolding (Sonic Atmospheres) Michael Stearns As the Earth Kissed the Moon Planetary Unfolding (Sonic Atmospheres) Michael Stearns Something's Moving Planetary Unfolding (Sonic Atmospheres) Chuck van Zyl Europa * The Relic (Centaur) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Michael Sterans. The feature CD at midnight will be "Lyra" on the Groove label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 22:24:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12420; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:23:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:23:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016a01c00596$b2ddfda0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <000001c00529$160ca7a0$ad6202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> <001101c0052c$c555ac40$e90d78d8@gary> <3996C6AB.FC5C6D0E@latrobe.edu.au> <00ea01c0052d$a8523180$782a6ccb@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: cleaver Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:23:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This from a guy who tried to unsubscribe 2 weeks ago, and still hasn't figured out how? 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Make sure that your signature file is turned off. ********************************** Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: pierre ambroisine To: Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 9:45 AM Subject: cleaver > > your so amazingly cleaver, dickhead > > > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: b.knox > To: > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 2:02 AM > Subject: Re: I Don't Want to Unsubscribe! > > > > Gary Lehmann wrote: > > > > > > PPS How many words can you make from "unsubscribe"? > > > > > > > i don't know how many i can make but *all* of them can be found at > > > > http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=unsubscribe > > > > > > > > brad > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 22:31:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12716; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:29:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:29:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <027401c00596$f6b27e20$093c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: Re: cleaver Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:25:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0271_01C00575.6EBF09A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0271_01C00575.6EBF09A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Your use of your instead of you're weakens your point. -----Original Message----- From: pierre ambroisine To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com = Date: Sunday, August 13, 2000 9:53 PM Subject: cleaver >your so amazingly cleaver, dickhead ------=_NextPart_000_0271_01C00575.6EBF09A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Your use of your instead of you're=20 weakens your point.
 
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>your so=20 amazingly cleaver, dickhead
------=_NextPart_000_0271_01C00575.6EBF09A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 03:33:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16768; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 03:32:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 03:32:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: The set up Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:31:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ditto here. But one more word before we die. No MacOS as of yet does multitasking. The least thing goes wrong and the whole machine is hosed. Besides, so many components in the G4 are taken from what was on PCs just last year, that it really should be considered a PC with a Motorola CPU and MacOS on it. If you can afford five G4s and have each one do a specific task, go for it. Otherwise, go with Windows NT or 2000 Professional. As for OS X, it's just Unix with a Mac smiley-face on it. MacOS is dead the minute OS X is out. OS X will be a viable alternative once it offers a 64-bit Motorola CPU and SCSI-3 HDD for $2,500. Otherwise, it'll go the way of the satellite phone system nobody wanted to buy. As for OS X's user-friendliness, let's see how the computer-illiterates do with it-- and with the computer and its peripherals-- before judging. | -----Original Message----- | From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:jonathan@full-moon.com] | Sent: Saturday 12 August 2000 10:21 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: RE: The set up | | | Seriously though, screw macs. I have a G4 and I know it inside and out, | hardware and software. I was totally stoked to I get it, but | it's a buggy | piece of crap and overpriced, and I hear so much blind pro-mac nuttiness | that I'm not afraid to say it any more. | | I'll stop now before I infuriate any more of the large number | of mac head | friends I have on this list. Naturally >your< mileage and | theirs may vary. | | Waiting for OSx, | | bIz -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Mulvihill [mailto:kmulvihill@mediaone.net] Sent: Sunday 13 August 2000 3:58 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Platform Wars As someone who's been on a Mac for 8 years and a PC for 8 years, I can say that there's pros and cons to both platforms. In fact, if we're all honest here, we'd HAVE to agree with that. So, please, let's just leave it at that and not have any platform wars... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 11:19:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20135; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:17:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:17:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:04:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Lexicon Jam Man memory upgrade... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA20073 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >roguemus@ix.netcom.com for $72 plus shipping but I would like to know if >there¥s a better place/price. my sympathy button seems to have frozen on this one, since i paid $170 for mine way back in the day, and about $100 for the second one. $72 to go from 8 to 32 seconds? just buy it. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 11:33:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20456; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:32:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:32:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:20:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: The set up Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Seriously though, screw macs. I have a G4 and I know it inside and out, >hardware and software. I was totally stoked to I get it, but it's a buggy >piece of crap and overpriced, and I hear so much blind pro-mac nuttiness >that I'm not afraid to say it any more. > >I'll stop now before I infuriate any more of the large number of mac head >friends I have on this list. Naturally >your< mileage and theirs may vary. > >Waiting for OSx, > >bIz why would you be waiting for a software update that you haven't even tried out, to install it on your 'buggy piece of crap'? i use all macs in a graphics production environment, and i am responsible to keep about 10 macs all up and running smoothly. The G4's have some odd glitches here and there, but macs have always been that way to me. Run 'em lean and mean as tools to do what you want them to do. The PC's have just as many problems and the two platforms are starting to merge (macs going to PCI, ATA and USB technology and the PC's moving towards much smoother 'plug and play' implementation). i need to get into an audio computer soon, and i'm definitely on the fence. if you hate crashes, software conflicts and glitches and problem solving as part of your musical creation experience...they all suck. IMHO, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 11:33:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20467; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:32:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:32:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:31:45 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Gah, not platform wars again! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <797AaB.A.7-E.lDBm5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com gnominus@earthling.net wrote: >No MacOS as of yet does multitasking. [blah, blah] Gah, enough of this stuff! Most of these arguments are completely misinformed (like the quote above -- I'm frequently running a dozen programs at once on a Mac including a web server!) and there are serious problems with all the standard commercial platforms. BeOS would probably be the best OS for looping, as a brutally fast almost-real-time OS (or perhaps QNX, which is an actual real-time operating system, though a lot less multimedia friendly...) OBLoopContent: what's the longest loop that anyone on this list has ever used in a piece of music? For me, it was strangely enough the second or third piece I ever did, a piece with real tape loops over mic stands and across the lab... I had one loop that was over 10 seconds and went out into the hall. (This was about 1979 -- the music department had a PDP-11 with a 20 meg removable hard drive as big as a washing machine! So no digital looping...) /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 11:39:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20885; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:38:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:38:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <027401c00596$f6b27e20$093c5cd1@-> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:25:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: cleaver Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Your use of your instead of you're weakens your point. =20 Arial-----Original Message----- =46rom: pierre ambroisine <<<bahh@ozemail.com.au> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight= =2Ecom <<<Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com> Date: Sunday, August 13, 2000 9:53 PM Subject: cleaver >your so amazingly cleaver, dickhead Bill wins in my book for the response of the day... rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 11:59:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21318; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:58:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:58:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:57:01 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Looper on trial for murder! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry. sorry. ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 12:03:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21522; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:02:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:02:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c00609$8ac4cec0$a91afac1@oemcomputer> From: "erwan.cornic" To: References: <20000807195845.13849.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com><5.0.0.11.2.20000807150900.00aca370@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:05:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0061A.4D28A6C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0061A.4D28A6C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable UNSUBSCRIBE ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Ritchford To: Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 12:57 AM Subject: RE: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) > I wrote: >=20 > >Mark Pulver wrote: > > > >>It's a great machine... They've been a LONG time getting into=20 > >>distribution. They were due out in early May, but various dealers=20 > >>just got *ONE* each last Wednesday. > >> > >>Mine shipped on Thursday, I should have it today if UPS is on my = side. > > > >oh, my. you must send us a complete review of this. I am = salivating... >=20 > and >=20 > At 12:58 PM -0700 8/7/00, Stephen wrote: > >I just picked up Roland Handsonic - a midi hand drum - > >WayWayWayKool(tm), and very accessable for anyone who > >has ever mistaken a table top for a drumming surface - > >http://www.rolandus.com/response.asp?id=3Dr1_5_7_1 . It > >has a number of fairly good ethnic drum sounds, and a > >very good tabla implementaion. >=20 >=20 > Awright, guys, it's been a week! > Pony up with those reviews! >=20 > /t >=20 >=20 > ...electronic a capella madness ......... > ...extreme internet radio ... >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0061A.4D28A6C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Ritchford <tom@swirly.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 12:57 = AM
Subject: RE: Roland handsonic (&=20 battery-powered amp Q)

> I wrote:
> =
> >Mark=20 Pulver <mark@redmoon-music.com>=20 wrote:
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> >>It's a great machine... They've been = a LONG=20 time getting into
> >>distribution. They were due out in = early May,=20 but various dealers
> >>just got *ONE* each last = Wednesday.
>=20 >>
> >>Mine shipped on Thursday, I should have it = today if UPS=20 is on my side.
> >
> >oh, my.  you must send us a = complete review of this.  I am salivating...
>
> = and
>=20
> At 12:58 PM -0700 8/7/00, Stephen wrote:
> >I just = picked up=20 Roland Handsonic - a midi hand drum -
> >WayWayWayKool(tm), and = very=20 accessable for anyone who
> >has ever mistaken a table top for = a=20 drumming surface -
> >http://www.ro= landus.com/response.asp?id=3Dr1_5_7_1=20 .  It
> >has a number of fairly good ethnic drum sounds, = and=20 a
> >very good tabla implementaion.
>
>
> = Awright,=20 guys, it's been a week!
> Pony up with those reviews!
> =
>=20 /t
>
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> ...electronic a capella madness  = <http://volectrix.com>.........
&g= t;=20 ...extreme internet radio        = <http://extremeNY.com/radio>...=
>=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0061A.4D28A6C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 12:08:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21796; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:07:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:07:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.totalise.co.uk; Mon, 14 Aug 00 17:04:46 +0100 X-WebMail-UserID: charlestyrer Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:04:46 +0100 Sender: Charles Tyrer From: Charles Tyrer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-EXP32-SerialNo: 50000112 Subject: Unsubscribe Message-ID: <3A2B204C@mail.totalise.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.61.01 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >===== Original Message From Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ===== >UNSUBSCRIBE >----- Original Message ----- >From: Tom Ritchford >To: >Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 12:57 AM >Subject: RE: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) > > >> I wrote: >> >> >Mark Pulver wrote: >> > >> >>It's a great machine... They've been a LONG time getting into >> >>distribution. They were due out in early May, but various dealers >> >>just got *ONE* each last Wednesday. >> >> >> >>Mine shipped on Thursday, I should have it today if UPS is on my side. >> > >> >oh, my. you must send us a complete review of this. I am salivating... >> >> and unsubscribe >> At 12:58 PM -0700 8/7/00, Stephen wrote: >> >I just picked up Roland Handsonic - a midi hand drum - >> >WayWayWayKool(tm), and very accessable for anyone who >> >has ever mistaken a table top for a drumming surface - >> >http://www.rolandus.com/response.asp?id=r1_5_7_1 . It >> >has a number of fairly good ethnic drum sounds, and a >> >very good tabla implementaion. >> >> >> Awright, guys, it's been a week! >> Pony up with those reviews! >> >> /t >> >> >> ...electronic a capella madness ......... >> ...extreme internet radio ... >> Go to http://www.eurekar.com The motoring portal To become a member and a shareholder of our parent company visit http://www.totalise.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 12:14:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22038; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:12:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:12:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c00609$879783a0$6632dacf@z5k2e6> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: cleaver Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:05:54 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C005CE.D9C76860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C005CE.D9C76860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sir, I knew him, and you're no Beaver Cleaver! [snicker] ----- Original Message -----=20 From: rich=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 8:25 AM Subject: Re: cleaver Your use of your instead of you're weakens your point. -----Original Message----- From: pierre ambroisine = <bahh@ozemail.com.au> To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com = <Loopers-Delight@loopers-deli= ght.com> Date: Sunday, August 13, 2000 9:53 PM Subject: cleaver >your so amazingly cleaver, dickhead Bill wins in my book for the response of the day... rich=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C005CE.D9C76860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sir, I = knew him,=20 and you're no Beaver Cleaver! [snicker]
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: rich =
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: cleaver


Your use of your instead of you're weakens = your=20 point.

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: pierre ambroisine <<mailto:bahh@ozemail.com.au>bahh@ozemail.com.au>
To: = <mailto:Loopers-Deligh= t@loopers-delight.com>Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20 <<mailto:Loopers-Deligh= t@loopers-delight.com>Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com>
Date:=20 Sunday, August 13, 2000 9:53 PM
Subject: = cleaver

>your so amazingly cleaver,=20 dickhead


Bill wins in my book for the response = of the=20 day...

rich ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C005CE.D9C76860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 12:14:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22111; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:13:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:13:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A2B204C@mail.totalise.co.uk> References: <3A2B204C@mail.totalise.co.uk> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:12:20 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2jFWZD.A._XF.spBm5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com when you subscribe, you get email telling you how to leave the list. has the information you need: > I'm sorry, I need to unsubscribe from >Looper's Delight. How do I do that? It's > not that I dislike people there or anything, >you understand. > > To unsubscribe, send mail with the word >"unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or > anything else, to: > > Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com and before you join another mailing list, you might want to learn a little about the Internet so you don't annoy so many people at one time! /t > >===== Original Message From Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ===== > >UNSUBSCRIBE > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Tom Ritchford > >To: > >Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 12:57 AM > >Subject: RE: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) > > > > > >> I wrote: > >> > >> >Mark Pulver wrote: > >> > > >> >>It's a great machine... They've been a LONG time getting into > >> >>distribution. They were due out in early May, but various dealers > >> >>just got *ONE* each last Wednesday. > >> >> > >> >>Mine shipped on Thursday, I should have it today if UPS is on my side. > >> > > >> >oh, my. you must send us a complete review of this. I am salivating... > >> > >> and >unsubscribe > > > > >> At 12:58 PM -0700 8/7/00, Stephen wrote: > >> >I just picked up Roland Handsonic - a midi hand drum - > >> >WayWayWayKool(tm), and very accessable for anyone who > >> >has ever mistaken a table top for a drumming surface - > >> >http://www.rolandus.com/response.asp?id=r1_5_7_1 . It > >> >has a number of fairly good ethnic drum sounds, and a > >> >very good tabla implementaion. > >> > >> > >> Awright, guys, it's been a week! > >> Pony up with those reviews! > >> > >> /t > >> > >> > >> ...electronic a capella madness ......... > >> ...extreme internet radio ... > >> > >Go to http://www.eurekar.com >The motoring portal > >To become a member and a shareholder of our parent company >visit http://www.totalise.net ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 14:46:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24616; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:45:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:45:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39983DA0.352F37BB@best.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:42:40 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gah, not platform wars again! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The MacOS is a "non-preemptive" multitasking OS. This means that a well written, and well behaved, Macintosh program voluntarily gives control back to the system at regular intervals so that it can service other tasks. It was pretty good technology in 1984 for a small, consumer oriented computer, especially considering that the Mac was light years ahead of DOS. MacOS X is based on Unix and will be a true hardware driven multitasking OS. A smiley Mac face on Unix? It's about time! -Allan Tom Ritchford wrote: > gnominus@earthling.net wrote: > > >No MacOS as of yet does multitasking. > > [blah, blah] > > Gah, enough of this stuff! Most of these arguments are completely > misinformed (like the quote above -- I'm frequently running a dozen > programs at once on a Mac including a web server!) and there are > serious problems with all the standard commercial platforms. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 14:52:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24819; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:51:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:51:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012501c0061f$101a8460$ad8d79c3@computer-peter> From: "P.H. Gremme" To: Subject: [off topic] tr-808 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:40:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello, I have recently sold a tr-808 to a guy and now he's complaining about noise on the outs, can someone give me a few tips to reduce the noise or even deleting the noise completely ? I will pass them to him and make him a satisfied customer. peter. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 15:12:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25320; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:11:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:11:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3998720F.F74D02A3@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:26:32 -0700 From: Your Name Reply-To: switters@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: VST Instruments References: <000001c00529$160ca7a0$ad6202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> <001101c0052c$c555ac40$e90d78d8@gary> <3996C6AB.FC5C6D0E@latrobe.edu.au> <00ea01c0052d$a8523180$782a6ccb@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I know there are a number of Logic Audio users on this page (and VST instrument manipulators to boot); so I figured that this would be a fair OT question. Is anyone using any of Ces Ferrari's VST instruments? Considering that there are free versions available of all the betas I suspect there might be a few. Anyway, I've been trying to use the CesSynth 5 drum synth and I'm having some trouble with it. The instructions provided on the site are very brief; too brief for a user who's a bit rusty on the MIDI implementation end of things like myself. This instrument doesn't repond to note values, only velocity and instrument voices are assigned to MIDI channels, 3= Open Hat etc. How would I go about assigning the sequencer's polyphonous voices to this device? Is this achieved via an environment or in some kind of arrange window action? I've tried assigning MIDI channel but I've been unable to get anything but the kick drum sound. Any help would be appreciated. Best, Sean Powerbook G3 (bronze) 400 Mhz, 192 MB RAM LA Platinum 4.5 (Sound Manager) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 16:23:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26420; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:22:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:22:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:24:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C005F3.010D3B10" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <001601c00609$8ac4cec0$a91afac1@oemcomputer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C005F3.010D3B10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cleaver bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is tempraily unavailable... -----Original Message----- From: erwan.cornic [mailto:erwan.cornic@wanadoo.fr] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 9:06 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) UNSUBSCRIBE ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Ritchford < tom@swirly.com > To: < Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 12:57 AM Subject: RE: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) > I wrote: > > >Mark Pulver < mark@redmoon-music.com > wrote: > > > >>It's a great machine... They've been a LONG time getting into > >>distribution. They were due out in early May, but various dealers > >>just got *ONE* each last Wednesday. > >> > >>Mine shipped on Thursday, I should have it today if UPS is on my side. > > > >oh, my. you must send us a complete review of this. I am salivating... > > and > > At 12:58 PM -0700 8/7/00, Stephen wrote: > >I just picked up Roland Handsonic - a midi hand drum - > >WayWayWayKool(tm), and very accessable for anyone who > >has ever mistaken a table top for a drumming surface - > > http://www.rolandus.com/response.asp?id=r1_5_7_1 . It > >has a number of fairly good ethnic drum sounds, and a > >very good tabla implementaion. > > > Awright, guys, it's been a week! > Pony up with those reviews! > > /t > > > ...electronic a capella madness < http://volectrix.com>......... > ...extreme internet radio < http://extremeNY.com/radio>... > ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C005F3.010D3B10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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-----Original Message-----
From: erwan.cornic [mailto:erwan.cornic@wanadoo.fr]
Sent: Monday, August 14, = 2000 9:06 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Roland = handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q)

 

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From: Tom Ritchford <tom@swirly.com><= /p>

To: <Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com><= /p>

Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 12:57 AM<= /p>

Subject: RE: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q)<= /p>

 <= /p>

> I wrote:
>
> >Mark Pulver <mark@redmoon-music.com> wrote:
> >
> >>It's a great machine... They've been a LONG time getting = into
> >>distribution. They were due out in early May, but various = dealers
> >>just got *ONE* each last Wednesday.
> >>
> >>Mine shipped on Thursday, I should have it today if UPS is = on my side.
> >
> >oh, my.  you must send us a complete review of this.  = I am salivating...
>
> and
>
> At 12:58 PM -0700 8/7/00, Stephen wrote:
> >I just picked up Roland Handsonic - a midi hand drum -
> >WayWayWayKool(tm), and very accessable for anyone who
> >has ever mistaken a table top for a drumming surface -
> >http://www.ro= landus.com/response.asp?id=3Dr1_5_7_1 .  It
> >has a number of fairly good ethnic drum sounds, and a
> >very good tabla implementaion.
>
>
> Awright, guys, it's been a week!
> Pony up with those reviews!
>
> /t
>
>
> ...electronic a capella madness  <http://volectrix.com>.........
> ...extreme internet radio        = <http://extremeNY.com/radio>...=
>

------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C005F3.010D3B10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 16:37:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26827; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:36:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:36:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:26:20 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Gah, not platform wars again! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <026701c0062d$e858e9d0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <39983DA0.352F37BB@best.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just to add heat to the flame: i used to be an amiga user and i have to laugh when mac users claim superiority over dos. amiga os in it's day kicked everybodies ass. but the claims of mac users sound very familiar to me. they sound a lot like the stuff amiga users were saying just before commodore went tits up. i definitely don't want to go through that again. i have been a mac user as well, but there are reasons (other than corruption) that windows is king... although mac used to rule in the music software scene, that just isn't the case anymore. they made some of the same mistakes sony made with beta. i'm sure when lincoln standardized the national railroad system, there were a lot of regional rail systems that thought they were being screwed, but in the end almost everyone benefited from it. i think it is great that windows has adopted/championed/created open standards under the windows platform. and a similar benefit will be/is being realized as people move to the new standard. i think the rule for a new user should be to decide what you want to make happen and then choose the software/platform that does what they need the best and cheapest. you should definitely consider ALL platforms (linix, beos, etc. as well) before deciding what is best for you. for me, my windows/intel box does everything i need and is the cheapest (both software and hardware) -2 cents for free. p.s. this is not really off topic. i use my pc for looping. and i think general music production is of interest to most 'loopers' ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Hoeltje" To: Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 1:42 PM Subject: Re: Gah, not platform wars again! > The MacOS is a "non-preemptive" multitasking OS. This means that a well > written, and well behaved, Macintosh program voluntarily gives control > back to the system at regular intervals so that it can service other > tasks. It was pretty good technology in 1984 for a small, consumer > oriented computer, especially considering that the Mac was light years > ahead of DOS. MacOS X is based on Unix and will be a true hardware > driven multitasking OS. A smiley Mac face on Unix? It's about time! > > -Allan > > > Tom Ritchford wrote: > > > gnominus@earthling.net wrote: > > > > >No MacOS as of yet does multitasking. > > > > [blah, blah] > > > > Gah, enough of this stuff! Most of these arguments are completely > > misinformed (like the quote above -- I'm frequently running a dozen > > programs at once on a Mac including a web server!) and there are > > serious problems with all the standard commercial platforms. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 16:38:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27053; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:37:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:37:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000814203703.15366.qmail@web210.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:37:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: RE: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wally or the Beav? --- Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > cleaver > > bIz > > > Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. > 1.800.555.Tell > biz's house of fun is tempraily unavailable... > > -----Original Message----- > From: erwan.cornic [mailto:erwan.cornic@wanadoo.fr] > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 9:06 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp > Q) > > UNSUBSCRIBE ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 16:39:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27084; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:38:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:38:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39985A3F.AB2913C6@dmans.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:44:47 -0500 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: updated boomerang References: <200008090213.WAA17811@mx05.gis.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-MouYB.A.ylG.PiFm5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com paul sullivan wrote: > Just wondering if anyone has seen the new version of the Boomerang in stores > yet, and if so, what the best price available is. I called Alto music > thinking they might have a group buy price for us, but apparently they don't > carry them. If anyone has any info, could they please mail me off list? Hi loopers, plexifists, and Rangsters, We have not gotten our supply of parts for the new V2 upgrade module to a point where we are making "new" Rangs, though our manufacturing problems have eased a little and we are shipping again. We are, however, selling the upgrade to Rang owners. The price is on a sliding scale depending on how long you've owned your Rang. The following letter pretty well covers what's up with the upgrade. ============================================= Any and all Rangs can be upgraded by replacing the current microprocessor with the 2.0 Module. Older units have an additional part that needs to be changed. If your AD/DA converter is an 1848, you will have to upgrade it to the newer 1845. The new software will not recognize the old converter. In this case, your Rang will have to make a trip home to Texas because it takes a special tool to remove this part. To check this out, remove the 4 front screws & 10 bottom ones; then place the Rang on its face with the roller to the right and remove the bottom cover. You’ll be looking at the circuit board in all its glory. The AD/DA converter is made by Analog Devices, is one of the larger parts and is the only square one. The part number information is printed on the part and reads like AD1845JP. The important piece of info is the 4 digits. If it says 1848, then it’s got to be replaced if you want the new software. Also, some of the early Rangs were sold with 1Mbyte of memory. This provided 32 seconds of recording on normal speed and 64 seconds on half speed. If you have a 1Mbyte Rang, this is a good time to upgrade the memory to 4Mbytes as the increased sample rate of the new software will reduce the normal speed record time to 21 seconds. Until recently Rangs came with 2 x 275 op amps and 1 x 283. They’re small 8 pin chips that reside in sockets. The objectionable pop, that can occur when pressing the thru mute switch, is related to these parts. If you’ve noticed this problem, it can be fixed by replacing one of the 275’s with a 2134 op amp. And finally, there will be a sliding scale for the price of the 2.0 Module. This is a move to avoid the "my new toy is obsolete" blues. As you might expect, proof of purchase is required if you didn’t send in a dated warranty card. If you purchased your Rang in June or July 2000 (or later), then the module will cost $39; May 2000 and you pay $49; April 2000, $59; March 2000, $69. February 2000 and older Rangs will pay $79. V2.0 Module with 2.0 User Manual, $39 - $79 AD1845 Converter, $19 4Mbyte SIMM (memory), $23 2134 Op Amp, $3 Rang Gig Bag, $39 Return shipping (if Rang is sent to us), $9 "So, what do I get for my money?" you ask. Good question. Here’s what’s in store. * Version 2.0 has 2 independent loops; this is like having 2 original Rangs side by side. There are a couple of modes for transitioning between the loops. One mode, called AB1, smoothly transitions to loop B, plays it once, then goes back to playing loop A, all with one button press. * A higher sample rate has been added; original max was 16KHz, new max rate is 24KHz. While this drops the sample time to 1 minute 27 seconds (with 4Mbytes of memory), the Rang now captures a lot more highs and sounds a lot crisper. * The STACK button can be programmed to be either latching or momentary. * You can go directly from recording to stacking. Press RECORD to start recording, then press STACK to conclude recording, start playback and enter stack mode. * There are 7 selectable decay rates. On the original the decay rate was fixed at about 2.3dB. The new rates are as follows: 1 is no decay, 2 is the original rate (about 20-25 repeats), 3-6 are progressively quicker decays and are great when using the Rang as a pure delay, and 7 is slapback (1 full volume repeat). The new decay rates & latching STACK button make the Rang a great sounding digital delay with tap tempo. The foot roller becomes the delay level when used like this. Each loop, A and B, has its own decay rate. * The RECORD button can be programmed to behave as it does now or be disabled during playback. Some folks didn't want to worry about hitting it while adjusting the foot roller. * The half speed concept has been replaced by slow speed, and you have your choice of five. All are musically related to "normal" speed. The choices are: down a 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th or octave. Playback tempo is slowed similarly to the current software. * This one is small, but an improvement. Originally, if you pressed ONCE, the next press of PLAY(STOP) would stop the loop. Now you can transition between "continuous" play and play once mode. Confusing? Here's what you can do that you couldn't before. Start an existing loop with several stutters or re-starts and then smoothly transition into playing the loop repeatedly. * There are improvements on clicks that occasionally occur at loop boundaries, particularly when using the Rang in continuous reverse mode (live reverse lead playing). * And finally, we extended the button behavior so that it is more consistent. For example, in the original, if you were stacking, the REVERSE button didn't do anything. Now you can be stacking additional parts and freely reverse direction or go into play once mode. All the new features are ADDITIONS. That is, no original features, even the lower sampling rates, have been omitted or replaced. The ONCE button shares duty as the loop A/B button. Either the REVERSE or STACK button is held down to enter one of the two program modes. ======================================== Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 17:15:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27800; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:14:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:14:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <399862BF.C89A7E2D@dmans.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:21:03 -0500 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Updated Boomerang References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Larry Stites wrote: > I'm interested in knowing about the update to the Boomerang as well. I have > one be sent to me today and will upgrade it as soon as possible. > > If anybody has information please post. > Just for good measure, I'll post this again. It's a standard letter regarding the Rang V2.0 upgrade module. ============================================= Any and all Rangs can be upgraded by replacing the current microprocessor with the 2.0 Module. Older units have an additional part that needs to be changed. If your AD/DA converter is an 1848, you will have to upgrade it to the newer 1845. The new software will not recognize the old converter. In this case, your Rang will have to make a trip home to Texas because it takes a special tool to remove this part. To check this out, remove the 4 front screws & 10 bottom ones; then place the Rang on its face with the roller to the right and remove the bottom cover. You’ll be looking at the circuit board in all its glory. The AD/DA converter is made by Analog Devices, is one of the larger parts and is the only square one. The part number information is printed on the part and reads like AD1845JP. The important piece of info is the 4 digits. If it says 1848, then it’s got to be replaced if you want the new software. Also, some of the early Rangs were sold with 1Mbyte of memory. This provided 32 seconds of recording on normal speed and 64 seconds on half speed. If you have a 1Mbyte Rang, this is a good time to upgrade the memory to 4Mbytes as the increased sample rate of the new software will reduce the normal speed record time to 21 seconds. Until recently Rangs came with 2 x 275 op amps and 1 x 283. They’re small 8 pin chips that reside in sockets. The objectionable pop, that can occur when pressing the thru mute switch, is related to these parts. If you’ve noticed this problem, it can be fixed by replacing one of the 275’s with a 2134 op amp. And finally, there will be a sliding scale for the price of the 2.0 Module. This is a move to avoid the "my new toy is obsolete" blues. As you might expect, proof of purchase is required if you didn’t send in a dated warranty card. If you purchased your Rang in June or July 2000 (or later), then the module will cost $39; May 2000 and you pay $49; April 2000, $59; March 2000, $69. February 2000 and older Rangs will pay $79. V2.0 Module with 2.0 User Manual, $39 - $79 AD1845 Converter, $19 4Mbyte SIMM (memory), $23 2134 Op Amp, $3 Rang Gig Bag, $39 Return shipping (if Rang is sent to us), $9 "So, what do I get for my money?" you ask. Good question. Here’s what’s in store. * Version 2.0 has 2 independent loops; this is like having 2 original Rangs side by side. There are a couple of modes for transitioning between the loops. One mode, called AB1, smoothly transitions to loop B, plays it once, then goes back to playing loop A, all with one button press. * A higher sample rate has been added; original max was 16KHz, new max rate is 24KHz. While this drops the sample time to 1 minute 27 seconds (with 4Mbytes of memory), the Rang now captures a lot more highs and sounds a lot crisper. * The STACK button can be programmed to be either latching or momentary. * You can go directly from recording to stacking. Press RECORD to start recording, then press STACK to conclude recording, start playback and enter stack mode. * There are 7 selectable decay rates. On the original the decay rate was fixed at about 2.3dB. The new rates are as follows: 1 is no decay, 2 is the original rate (about 20-25 repeats), 3-6 are progressively quicker decays and are great when using the Rang as a pure delay, and 7 is slapback (1 full volume repeat). The new decay rates & latching STACK button make the Rang a great sounding digital delay with tap tempo. The foot roller becomes the delay level when used like this. Each loop, A and B, has its own decay rate. * The RECORD button can be programmed to behave as it does now or be disabled during playback. Some folks didn't want to worry about hitting it while adjusting the foot roller. * The half speed concept has been replaced by slow speed, and you have your choice of five. All are musically related to "normal" speed. The choices are: down a 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th or octave. Playback tempo is slowed similarly to the current software. * This one is small, but an improvement. Originally, if you pressed ONCE, the next press of PLAY(STOP) would stop the loop. Now you can transition between "continuous" play and play once mode. Confusing? Here's what you can do that you couldn't before. Start an existing loop with several stutters or re-starts and then smoothly transition into playing the loop repeatedly. * There are improvements on clicks that occasionally occur at loop boundaries, particularly when using the Rang in continuous reverse mode (live reverse lead playing). * And finally, we extended the button behavior so that it is more consistent. For example, in the original, if you were stacking, the REVERSE button didn't do anything. Now you can be stacking additional parts and freely reverse direction or go into play once mode. All the new features are ADDITIONS. That is, no original features, even the lower sampling rates, have been omitted or replaced. The ONCE button shares duty as the loop A/B button. Either the REVERSE or STACK button is held down to enter one of the two program modes. ======================================== Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 17:18:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27965; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:17:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:17:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jonrosco@cs.com Message-ID: <6c.21de4a7.26c9bbad@cs.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:16:29 EDT Subject: Re: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've tried that dumb ass they just won't let me go I've tied to be patient but it's not working Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 17:27:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28255; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:25:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:25:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <026701c0062d$e858e9d0$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <39983DA0.352F37BB@best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:12:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Gah, not platform wars again! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i have been a mac user as well, >but there are reasons (other than corruption) that windows is king... >although mac used to rule in the music software scene, >that just isn't the case anymore. >they made some of the same mistakes sony made with beta. this thread is becoming tedious... i would be more interested in being told WHAT you are doing on WHICH platform and WHAT software and how it all worked, rather than making bold statements about WHICH platform is better. 'windows is king' hahahahahahahahaha...yeah right. sound vaguely like 'edp vs. jammie vs. headrush vs. orville vs. kyma vs. my toaster vs. your toaster'? i can make my DL4 do tricks my bandmate can't, but he plays his jamman and pds8000 in ways that make me jealous...he's a software guy, i'm a hardware geek. he speaks PC, i'm a mac guy. In the end? SO WHAT? rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 17:32:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28460; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:31:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:31:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3998666A.99EC4861@dmans.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:36:42 -0500 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: good plex news References: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F9132952@mail.davitt-hanser.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To this I'd add the following. Clean the contacts on the SIMM's with DeoxIt, an oxidation remover. Then paint on a little PreservIt; made by the same folks. Also, it doesn't hurt to gently blow the socket free of any debris. Be careful attempting to clean the sockets with a brush as the contact pins are very thin and fragile. When a Rang makes the kinds of noise, it's invariably poor contact between the pins and socket of some part. On the Rang, the microprocessor and op amps are also often culprits. The products I reference aren't carried by Radio Shack but you'll find them at an electronics store where a professional tech might shop for parts. Todd Quincy wrote: > a few months ago i posted that my plex was scratchy and acting up. I had the > plex fully loaded with 4 minutes of memory and everything was great until a > 2 months ago. > > By Shane Radtke suggestions I reinstalled the original memory to test and > perhaps trace the problem and to my loopers delight all was perfect. > > I've seen others post a similar problem. I suggest you do this before paying > for a repair. > > Todd Quincy > BC Rich, Kustom, PowerWerks, Davitt & Hanser -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 17:36:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28663; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:35:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:35:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009801c00637$746073e0$53c6c7cf@stevelaptop> From: "Steve Rudolph" To: References: <200008090213.WAA17811@mx05.gis.net> <39985A3F.AB2913C6@dmans.com> Subject: Re: updated boomerang Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:34:40 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yay! Boomerang good! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mikell D.Nelson" To: Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 1:44 PM Subject: Re: updated boomerang > paul sullivan wrote: > > > Just wondering if anyone has seen the new version of the Boomerang in stores > > yet, and if so, what the best price available is. I called Alto music > > thinking they might have a group buy price for us, but apparently they don't > > carry them. If anyone has any info, could they please mail me off list? > > Hi loopers, plexifists, and Rangsters, > We have not gotten our supply of parts for the new V2 upgrade module to a > point where we are making "new" Rangs, though our manufacturing problems have > eased a little and we are shipping again. We are, however, selling the upgrade > to Rang owners. The price is on a sliding scale depending on how long you've > owned your Rang. The following letter pretty well covers what's up with the > upgrade. > > ============================================= > > Any and all Rangs can be upgraded by replacing the current > microprocessor with the 2.0 Module. Older units have an additional part > > that needs to be changed. If your AD/DA converter is an 1848, you will > have to upgrade it to the newer 1845. The new software will not > recognize > the old converter. In this case, your Rang will have to make a trip > home > to Texas because it takes a special tool to remove this part. > To check this out, remove the 4 front screws & 10 bottom ones; then > place the Rang on its face with the roller to the right and remove the > bottom cover. You'll be looking at the circuit board in all its glory. > The AD/DA converter is made by Analog Devices, is one of the larger > parts > and is the only square one. The part number information is printed on > the > part and reads like AD1845JP. The important piece of info is the 4 > digits. If it says 1848, then it's got to be replaced if you want the > new > software. > Also, some of the early Rangs were sold with 1Mbyte of memory. This > > provided 32 seconds of recording on normal speed and 64 seconds on half > speed. If you have a 1Mbyte Rang, this is a good time to upgrade the > memory to 4Mbytes as the increased sample rate of the new software will > reduce the normal speed record time to 21 seconds. > Until recently Rangs came with 2 x 275 op amps and 1 x 283. They're > > small 8 pin chips that reside in sockets. The objectionable pop, that > can > occur when pressing the thru mute switch, is related to these parts. If > > you've noticed this problem, it can be fixed by replacing one of the > 275's > with a 2134 op amp. > And finally, there will be a sliding scale for the price of the 2.0 > Module. This is a move to avoid the "my new toy is obsolete" blues. As > > you might expect, proof of purchase is required if you didn't send in a > dated warranty card. If you purchased your Rang in June or July 2000 > (or > later), then the module will cost $39; May 2000 and you pay $49; April > 2000, $59; March 2000, $69. February 2000 and older Rangs will pay $79. > > V2.0 Module with 2.0 User Manual, $39 - $79 > AD1845 Converter, $19 > 4Mbyte SIMM (memory), $23 > 2134 Op Amp, $3 > Rang Gig Bag, $39 > Return shipping (if Rang is sent to us), $9 > > > "So, what do I get for my money?" you ask. Good question. Here's > what's > in store. > > * Version 2.0 has 2 independent loops; this is like having 2 original > Rangs side by side. There are a couple of modes for transitioning > between > the loops. One mode, called AB1, smoothly transitions to loop B, plays > it > once, then goes back to playing loop A, all with one button press. > * A higher sample rate has been added; original max was 16KHz, new max > > rate is 24KHz. While this drops the sample time to 1 minute 27 seconds > (with 4Mbytes of memory), the Rang now captures a lot more highs and > sounds a lot crisper. > * The STACK button can be programmed to be either latching or > momentary. > > * You can go directly from recording to stacking. Press RECORD to > start > recording, then press STACK to conclude recording, start playback and > enter stack mode. > * There are 7 selectable decay rates. On the original the decay rate > was > fixed at about 2.3dB. The new rates are as follows: 1 is no decay, 2 is > the original rate (about 20-25 repeats), 3-6 are progressively quicker > decays and are great when using the Rang as a pure delay, and 7 is > slapback (1 full volume repeat). The new decay rates & latching STACK > button make the Rang a great sounding digital delay with tap tempo. The > foot roller becomes the delay level when used like this. Each loop, A > and > B, has its own decay rate. > * The RECORD button can be programmed to behave as it does now or be > disabled during playback. Some folks didn't want to worry about hitting > it > while adjusting the foot roller. > * The half speed concept has been replaced by slow speed, and you have > > your choice of five. All are musically related to "normal" speed. The > choices are: down a 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th or octave. Playback tempo is > slowed > similarly to the current software. > * This one is small, but an improvement. Originally, if you pressed > ONCE, the next press of PLAY(STOP) would stop the loop. Now you can > transition between "continuous" play and play once mode. Confusing? > Here's > what you can do that you couldn't before. Start an existing loop with > several stutters or re-starts and then smoothly transition into playing > the loop repeatedly. > * There are improvements on clicks that occasionally occur at loop > boundaries, particularly when using the Rang in continuous reverse mode > (live reverse lead playing). > * And finally, we extended the button behavior so that it is more > consistent. For example, in the original, if you were stacking, the > REVERSE button didn't do anything. Now you can be stacking additional > parts and freely reverse direction or go into play once mode. > > All the new features are ADDITIONS. That is, no original features, even > the lower sampling rates, have been omitted or replaced. The ONCE button > > shares duty as the loop A/B button. Either the REVERSE or STACK button > is > held down to enter one of the two program modes. > > ======================================== > > Mike Nelson > > Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 > PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA > Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax > > http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com > > "Some products make you sound better; > the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 17:48:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28992; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:47:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:47:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000814144524.00b01aa0@mail.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@mail.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:46:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <6c.21de4a7.26c9bbad@cs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com which dumb ass did you try? And what patient are you tied to? At 05:16 PM 8/14/2000 -0400, you wrote: >I've tried that dumb ass they just won't let me go I've tied to be patient >but it's not working > >Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 17:52:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29191; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:52:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:52:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000814215117.10098.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:51:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Updated Boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "Mikell D.Nelson" wrote: > * The half speed concept has been replaced by slow speed, and you >have >your choice of five. All are musically related to "normal" speed. The >choices are: down a 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th or octave. Playback tempo >isslowed >similarly to the current software. Will you still have to stop the loop playing in order to change the playback speed? bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 18:08:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29607; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:07:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:07:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000814181223.007bad40@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:12:23 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Roland handsonic (& battery-powered amp Q) In-Reply-To: <001601c00609$8ac4cec0$a91afac1@oemcomputer> References: <20000807195845.13849.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <5.0.0.11.2.20000807150900.00aca370@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Everybody knows that GREAT BIG RED LETTERS work much better than small black ones when sent to the wrong address. If you go to you'll find the unsubscribe instructions. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 21:49:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32221; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:48:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:48:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200008150147.SAA02856@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:55:55 -0500 Subject: Re: The set up From: "michele wortman&guy aitchison" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Kevin! Thanks for your time in replying. I am new to making music. My influences are mostly what I listen to and what is in my head. I don't know much about programs for looping but have heard nothing but good things about acid, which I have and have never used since we have a mac and can't seem to get acid to work through virtual pc. I also have an older version of pro tools but find it kinda complicated to sync beats. I really am just fresh out of the water and don't want to start with anything too complex. I am not a laptop or p.c user so that world is kind of vague to me. I am always maxing out the storage space of 8 g.b on the mac with video files so I was thinking I should plan ahead with space since I will need room to stream the video files through the p.c to a multimedia projector, as well as store alot of my music files so the project is somewhat self contained, in terms of being able to locate my beats. I was wondering if I should have a p.c custom built to avoid features that I won't use, but I guess the real expense no matter how you slice it is the g.b and the ram. M From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 22:03:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32575; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:02:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:02:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200008150201.TAA19955@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:10:44 -0500 Subject: Re: The set up From: "michele wortman&guy aitchison" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I found this sight when I was looking for info on morphing of all things! I was not clear about what I was saying and don't know why I did not catch that . I am streaming video files, potentially through a p.c into a multimedia projector, since right now i am using a v.c.r and video tape on various rented multimeda projectors for performances. I plan to buy one but have been waiting for the prices to drop. I am not hip to the types of programs out there, thats why I was so amped to find loopers delight, since it is the path I want to take with music. (I am a photographer who makes videos of macro abstract relms) and want to compose music to make it a total enviroment through my mind. I am not up on tech talk so I figure the simpler the better for just getting started then I can get more high tech with my approach. At this point any information is solid gold. M ---------- >From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" >To: >Subject: RE: The set up >Date: Sat, Aug 12, 2000, 11:57 PM > > What kind of multimedia projector? What are the inputs? Most any laptop has > a VGA video out, but if you have a projector that you know you'll be using > each time you give a presentation, then I would look in the Owner's Manual > to see what inputs are available and which will give you the best quality - > if there's a difference. Match that up against the video outputs on your > laptop to make sure you can get a connection. > > On this off topic, can anyone recommend a cheap video projector that isn't > completely crap. I have this crazy idea of lighting my room on one wall with > psychedlic screensavers, live video cams and pictures and films of natural > splendour. Without paying an arm and a leg of course - all the stuff I can > find on the web is in the $5,000 range. Damn! > > > P.S. I'm pretty new to this list too, but just wanted to give you a heads-up > that you aren't likely to find many ACID users here... yours is the first > post I've seen. Most of the folks here (including me) are real musician > types, or at least so we'd like to think... :-) > > I'm an Acidhead, though it isn't really the tool this list is about. You may > find more like minded individuals on a dance music producers list. t's a > composition tool though - I wouldn't use it live for anything - much easier > to just burn the tracks to cd. > > bIz > > > Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. > 1.800.555.Tell > biz's house of fun is tempraily unavailable... > > > > Multimedia files through a multimedia projector, eh? That's the part that's > vague. > > > > > > >> hi! I just subscribed to the loopers delight and have a question to post. >> Can anyone offer me any advice on what type of laptop to purchace for >> constructing loops and being able to output multimedia files through a >> multimedia projector? I know that I need at least6g.b ofhard >> drive and 64m.b >> of Ram. I am a mac user but it seems it might be easier to go the >> p.c route >> for using acid and sonic foundry. Any imput would be helpful. >> Thanks, M >> www.hyperspacestudios.com >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 00:00:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01659; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:58:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:58:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c0066c$f0d995c0$b5a0d8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Baptism By Fire Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:57:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C00632.438FC180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C00632.438FC180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tonight I went to a gig booked through a local agency for some = accountants with the Rural Utilities Service. One man band job (I'm not = doing a lot of those--mostly making money playing with Jackstraws doing = costumed themed entertainment--strolling acoustic music--you can check = us out at http://www.llsproductions.com ) with guitar and vocal = supported by sequences on a laptop. I get to the job and, lo and = behold, I had not brought the laptop. I hurry with setup and just about = have everything set up when my contact arrives. I explain the situation = to her and offer a choice: I can go back and get the laptop or do the = gig with guitar, GT-3 effects processor and my Gibson Echoplex. I show = her what it is going to sound like and she says not to leave, since rush = hour traffic would likely make me late for downbeat. We agree not to = say anything about the situation to the client. The client arrives and = we discuss her needs; she wanted background music, not much vocals, = since the people would be talking and vocals are, shall we say, = distracting. I ask her what kind of music and the agreed upon style is = "lite jazz". =20 So I do the gig, singing half a dozen songs and playing some = recognizable stuff but also doing the loop noodle thing (nice to have = volume pedal and feedback pedal for that--got the PMC 10 happening), = half the time having a wonderful time expressing myself, half the time = saying goodbye to future bookings from this agency. But at the end, as = I wheeled my gear out, the client was also leaving, so I said goodnight = and she says, "Goodnight, great music" or words to that effect. So I'm going to take this opportunity to call the agency and, after = apologizing for not having equipment which was stipulated in the = contract (hope I get paid), passing on the words of praise and asking = for more background music jobs. Hey, what can they do, FIRE ME? By the way, before I left for the gig, I decided to test LD's system, so = I unsubscribed. Got the message back that I was removed from the list, = so I had to resubscribe in order to share my nightmare/dream come true = with you. If you are reading this, it means I'm back on the list. So = let's hear from those Starr Labs Ztar users, mmkay? Gary ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C00632.438FC180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tonight I went to a gig booked through a local = agency for some=20 accountants with the Rural Utilities Service.  One man band = job (I'm=20 not doing a lot of those--mostly making money playing with Jackstraws = doing=20 costumed themed entertainment--strolling acoustic music--you can check = us out at=20 http://www.llsproductions.com&= nbsp;)=20 with guitar and vocal supported by sequences on a laptop.  I get to = the job=20 and, lo and behold, I had not brought the laptop.  I hurry with = setup and=20 just about have everything set up when my contact arrives.  I = explain the=20 situation to her and offer a choice:  I can go back and get the = laptop or=20 do the gig with guitar, GT-3 effects processor and my Gibson = Echoplex.  I=20 show her what it is going to sound like and she says not to leave, = since=20 rush hour traffic would likely make me late for downbeat.  We agree = not to=20 say anything about the situation to the client.  The client arrives = and we=20 discuss her needs; she wanted background music, not much vocals, since = the=20 people would be talking and vocals are, shall we say, distracting.  = I ask=20 her what kind of music and the agreed upon style is "lite jazz". =20
So I do the gig, singing half a dozen songs and = playing some=20 recognizable stuff but also doing the loop noodle thing (nice to have = volume=20 pedal and feedback pedal for that--got the PMC 10 happening), half the = time=20 having a wonderful time expressing myself, half the time saying goodbye = to=20 future bookings from this agency.  But at the end, as I wheeled my = gear=20 out, the client was also leaving, so I said goodnight and she says, = "Goodnight,=20 great music" or words to that effect.
So I'm going to take this opportunity to call the = agency and,=20 after apologizing for not having equipment which was stipulated in the = contract=20 (hope I get paid), passing on the words of praise and asking for more = background=20 music jobs.  Hey, what can they do, FIRE ME?
By the way, before I left for the gig, I decided to = test LD's=20 system, so I unsubscribed.  Got the message back that I was removed = from=20 the list, so I had to resubscribe in order to share my nightmare/dream = come true=20 with you.  If you are reading this, it means I'm back on the = list.  So=20 let's hear from those Starr Labs Ztar users, mmkay?
Gary
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C00632.438FC180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 00:08:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01895; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 00:06:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 00:06:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:06:42 -0700 Subject: Re: Baptism By Fire From: Andrew Pask To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001901c0066c$f0d995c0$b5a0d8cc@gary> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3049132002_403626_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3049132002_403626_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > But at the end, as I wheeled my gear out, the client was also leaving, so I said goodnight and she > says, "Goodnight, great music" or words to that effect. Amen to all that. And the moral of the story surely has to be:Never tell them in the first place. Just stand there with a big grin on your face and think how cool it's gonna be when they ask you back next time for more money and you don't have to lug half your rig. --MS_Mac_OE_3049132002_403626_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Baptism By Fire


> But at the end, as I wheeled my gear out, = the client was also leaving, so I said goodnight and she > says, "Go= odnight, great music" or words to that effect.



Amen to all that.
And the moral of the story surely has to be:Never tell them in the first pl= ace.
Just stand there with a big grin on your face and think how cool it's gonna= be when they ask you back  next time for more money and you don't have= to lug half your rig. --MS_Mac_OE_3049132002_403626_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 01:13:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02502; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:12:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:12:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: The set up Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:15:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200008150201.TAA19955@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone know the name of that video program that was discussed here a while ago? Video monkey, or something to that effect? It sounds like it would be right up Michele's alley. bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. -----Original Message----- From: michele wortman&guy aitchison [mailto:hyperspacestudios@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 7:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The set up I found this sight when I was looking for info on morphing of all things! I was not clear about what I was saying and don't know why I did not catch that . I am streaming video files, potentially through a p.c into a multimedia projector, since right now i am using a v.c.r and video tape on various rented multimeda projectors for performances. I plan to buy one but have been waiting for the prices to drop. I am not hip to the types of programs out there, thats why I was so amped to find loopers delight, since it is the path I want to take with music. (I am a photographer who makes videos of macro abstract relms) and want to compose music to make it a total enviroment through my mind. I am not up on tech talk so I figure the simpler the better for just getting started then I can get more high tech with my approach. At this point any information is solid gold. M ---------- >From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" >To: >Subject: RE: The set up >Date: Sat, Aug 12, 2000, 11:57 PM > > What kind of multimedia projector? What are the inputs? Most any laptop has > a VGA video out, but if you have a projector that you know you'll be using > each time you give a presentation, then I would look in the Owner's Manual > to see what inputs are available and which will give you the best quality - > if there's a difference. Match that up against the video outputs on your > laptop to make sure you can get a connection. > > On this off topic, can anyone recommend a cheap video projector that isn't > completely crap. I have this crazy idea of lighting my room on one wall with > psychedlic screensavers, live video cams and pictures and films of natural > splendour. Without paying an arm and a leg of course - all the stuff I can > find on the web is in the $5,000 range. Damn! > > > P.S. I'm pretty new to this list too, but just wanted to give you a heads-up > that you aren't likely to find many ACID users here... yours is the first > post I've seen. Most of the folks here (including me) are real musician > types, or at least so we'd like to think... :-) > > I'm an Acidhead, though it isn't really the tool this list is about. You may > find more like minded individuals on a dance music producers list. t's a > composition tool though - I wouldn't use it live for anything - much easier > to just burn the tracks to cd. > > bIz > > > Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. > 1.800.555.Tell > biz's house of fun is tempraily unavailable... > > > > Multimedia files through a multimedia projector, eh? That's the part that's > vague. > > > > > > >> hi! I just subscribed to the loopers delight and have a question to post. >> Can anyone offer me any advice on what type of laptop to purchace for >> constructing loops and being able to output multimedia files through a >> multimedia projector? I know that I need at least6g.b ofhard >> drive and 64m.b >> of Ram. I am a mac user but it seems it might be easier to go the >> p.c route >> for using acid and sonic foundry. Any imput would be helpful. >> Thanks, M >> www.hyperspacestudios.com >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 10:53:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06802; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:51:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:51:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39998695.71274B7A@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:06:18 -0700 From: Your Name Reply-To: switters@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The set up References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Videodelic was the program I believe. Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > Does anyone know the name of that video program that was discussed here a > while ago? Video monkey, or something to that effect? It sounds like it > would be right up Michele's alley. > > bIz > > Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. > 1.800.555.Tell > biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say > 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. > > -----Original Message----- > From: michele wortman&guy aitchison [mailto:hyperspacestudios@earthlink.net] > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 7:11 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: The set up > > I found this sight when I was looking for info on morphing of all things! I > was not clear about what I was saying and don't know why I did not catch > that . I am streaming video files, potentially through a p.c into a > multimedia projector, since right now i am using a v.c.r and video tape on > various rented multimeda projectors for performances. I plan to buy one but > have been waiting for the prices to drop. I am not hip to the types of > programs out there, thats why I was so amped to find loopers delight, since > it is the path I want to take with music. (I am a photographer who makes > videos of macro abstract relms) and want to compose music to make it a total > enviroment through my mind. I am not up on tech talk so I figure the simpler > the better for just getting started then I can get more high tech with my > approach. At this point any information is solid gold. > M > > ---------- > >From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" > >To: > >Subject: RE: The set up > >Date: Sat, Aug 12, 2000, 11:57 PM > > > > > What kind of multimedia projector? What are the inputs? Most any laptop > has > > a VGA video out, but if you have a projector that you know you'll be using > > each time you give a presentation, then I would look in the Owner's Manual > > to see what inputs are available and which will give you the best > quality - > > if there's a difference. Match that up against the video outputs on your > > laptop to make sure you can get a connection. > > > > On this off topic, can anyone recommend a cheap video projector that isn't > > completely crap. I have this crazy idea of lighting my room on one wall > with > > psychedlic screensavers, live video cams and pictures and films of natural > > splendour. Without paying an arm and a leg of course - all the stuff I can > > find on the web is in the $5,000 range. Damn! > > > > > > P.S. I'm pretty new to this list too, but just wanted to give you a > heads-up > > that you aren't likely to find many ACID users here... yours is the first > > post I've seen. Most of the folks here (including me) are real musician > > types, or at least so we'd like to think... :-) > > > > I'm an Acidhead, though it isn't really the tool this list is about. You > may > > find more like minded individuals on a dance music producers list. t's a > > composition tool though - I wouldn't use it live for anything - much > easier > > to just burn the tracks to cd. > > > > bIz > > > > > > Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. > > 1.800.555.Tell > > biz's house of fun is tempraily unavailable... > > > > > > > > Multimedia files through a multimedia projector, eh? That's the part > that's > > vague. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> hi! I just subscribed to the loopers delight and have a question to post. > >> Can anyone offer me any advice on what type of laptop to purchace for > >> constructing loops and being able to output multimedia files through a > >> multimedia projector? I know that I need at least6g.b ofhard > >> drive and 64m.b > >> of Ram. I am a mac user but it seems it might be easier to go the > >> p.c route > >> for using acid and sonic foundry. Any imput would be helpful. > >> Thanks, M > >> www.hyperspacestudios.com > >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 11:01:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07046; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:00:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:00:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000815110527.007adac0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:05:27 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: The set up In-Reply-To: <39998695.71274B7A@earthlink.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Or it might have been VJPro... At 11:06 AM 8/15/00 -0700, you wrote: >Videodelic was the program I believe. > >Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > >> Does anyone know the name of that video program that was discussed here a >> while ago? Video monkey, or something to that effect? It sounds like it >> would be right up Michele's alley. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 11:56:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07772; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:54:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:54:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <046601c006d1$9902c140$ee300018@potlnd1.or.home.com> From: "Neil Goldstein" To: References: <200008150201.TAA19955@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: The set up Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:58:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.uisoftware.com/videodelic/index.html Mac only. This program will change your life. I've had it for a week and have gotten too little sleep. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "michele wortman&guy aitchison" To: Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 7:10 PM Subject: Re: The set up > I found this sight when I was looking for info on morphing of all things! I > was not clear about what I was saying and don't know why I did not catch > that . I am streaming video files, potentially through a p.c into a > multimedia projector, since right now i am using a v.c.r and video tape on > various rented multimeda projectors for performances. I plan to buy one but > have been waiting for the prices to drop. I am not hip to the types of > programs out there, thats why I was so amped to find loopers delight, since > it is the path I want to take with music. (I am a photographer who makes > videos of macro abstract relms) and want to compose music to make it a total > enviroment through my mind. I am not up on tech talk so I figure the simpler > the better for just getting started then I can get more high tech with my > approach. At this point any information is solid gold. > M > > ---------- > >From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" > >To: > >Subject: RE: The set up > >Date: Sat, Aug 12, 2000, 11:57 PM > > > > > What kind of multimedia projector? What are the inputs? Most any laptop has > > a VGA video out, but if you have a projector that you know you'll be using > > each time you give a presentation, then I would look in the Owner's Manual > > to see what inputs are available and which will give you the best quality - > > if there's a difference. Match that up against the video outputs on your > > laptop to make sure you can get a connection. > > > > On this off topic, can anyone recommend a cheap video projector that isn't > > completely crap. I have this crazy idea of lighting my room on one wall with > > psychedlic screensavers, live video cams and pictures and films of natural > > splendour. Without paying an arm and a leg of course - all the stuff I can > > find on the web is in the $5,000 range. Damn! > > > > > > P.S. I'm pretty new to this list too, but just wanted to give you a heads-up > > that you aren't likely to find many ACID users here... yours is the first > > post I've seen. Most of the folks here (including me) are real musician > > types, or at least so we'd like to think... :-) > > > > I'm an Acidhead, though it isn't really the tool this list is about. You may > > find more like minded individuals on a dance music producers list. t's a > > composition tool though - I wouldn't use it live for anything - much easier > > to just burn the tracks to cd. > > > > bIz > > > > > > Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. > > 1.800.555.Tell > > biz's house of fun is tempraily unavailable... > > > > > > > > Multimedia files through a multimedia projector, eh? That's the part that's > > vague. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> hi! I just subscribed to the loopers delight and have a question to post. > >> Can anyone offer me any advice on what type of laptop to purchace for > >> constructing loops and being able to output multimedia files through a > >> multimedia projector? I know that I need at least6g.b ofhard > >> drive and 64m.b > >> of Ram. I am a mac user but it seems it might be easier to go the > >> p.c route > >> for using acid and sonic foundry. Any imput would be helpful. > >> Thanks, M > >> www.hyperspacestudios.com > >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 13:58:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09839; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:56:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:56:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000815175510.5326.rocketmail@web221.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:55:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: Ztar for looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i have a customized mini-Z - You can see it at www.starrlabs.com on the left hand side frame, and there is a bigger picture of it (third photo down) under 'ztars':'ztar,MiniZ, Compact MIDI Guitar controllers.' I use it with a Roland MC-80 hardware sequencer for midi looping with moderately good results. I have synced up the EDP and the MC-80 through midi clock, and just this morning got the HandSonic & the MC-80 synced....I hope this week to get all three singing in unison. One inention I have for the EDP (not yet realized), in addition to looping real-time audio, is to try to use it as something of a temporary loop scratch pad to make up for the limitations in the MC-80's & HandSonic's real-time midi looping capabilities. For example, on the MC-80 you can define a loop region and record up to 16 tracks, switching between tracks, dropping in and out of record mode and are able to mute & unmute tracks. But you can't define a new loop region while in record mode, so i fantasize about dropping the looping audio to the EDP to keep things going, stopping the sequencer & restarting with a different loop region to start a separate 'movement' so to speak. Mapping the ztar pads to control the echoplex is an interesting idea - I had not even thought of that. I had Harvey at Starrlabs put extra pads (along with a few other controllers) on my baby, hoping to create a zen drum / ztar hybrid, but the pads don't quite work as expected/desired for finger drumming, so goodness knows i've got enough extra pads to fiddle with. Harvey had mentioned a while back to me about putting a loop sequencer in the ztar firmware, but i've not heard any updates on that. His newest gizmo in alpha release (based on the same ztar firmware, I believe) is the EventStation he built for Kurzweil which he claims is something like "MAX in a box", with 2 onboard sequencers & some looping capabilities - details are a bit sketchy. stephen --- Michael LaMeyer wrote: > Nope, although I am planning to do the same thing! > It looks like it shouldn't be too much trouble to > program some of the "drum" pads to send the proper > sysex strings to the echoplex though. That's my > plan anyway. Maybe even try to reduce the number of > foot taps for some functions to one finger whap, if > I can. > > Ordered a Z2 from Harvey, still waiting, but has > anyone already mentioned that there appears to be no > Echoplexes being manufactured right now? I just put > my name on the waiting-list-from-hell at Alto. They > said manufacturing wouldn't rev back up until the > fall. Has anyone else confirmed this? > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gary Lehmann > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 12:46 PM > Subject: Ztar for looping > > > Is anyone on this list using a Starr Labs > controller to generate audio for looping purposes? > I would like to hear from any Ztar owners who > incorporate looping in their performances--go ahead > and contact me at relayonemanband@cts.com. Thanks! > Gary > PS No, I don't have this device myself, but am > interested to see if anyone is controller a looping > device from the unit in addition to using it to > drive a synth. > ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 13:58:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09861; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:57:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:57:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: The set up Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:00:25 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <200008150147.SAA02856@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Michele, I build all my own desktop computers so I can tell you that the parts are all basically the same. You just get your choice when you build your own (or have it custom built). For video, yes, the bigger the hard drive the better. Hard drives are not that expensive... you can get a 20GB IDE for $150 or so... Of course, life isn't always so easy, is it? For video, you need to get a drive that is A/V (audio/video) compatible. This means that the drive compensates for thermal overheating by NOT interrupting the flow of data - most non-A/V drives compensate for the heating problem by momentarily stopping the flow of data. This is not what you want if you're streaming video because the video will momentarily "hang" while thermal calibration occurs. I suggest visiting the major manufacturer web sites (Seagate, Quantum, IBM, Maxtor, etc.) to generate a list of which drives are A/V compatible, and then buy one of those. I've had good luck with Quantum, Seagate and Maxtor drives. Please stay away from Micropolis; I bought an A/V drive from them a few years ago and had nothing but problems... of course, maybe that's been corrected by now. One other suggestion: you'll get best performance on a hard drive with a SCSI bus connection - Ultra 160 is the new standard. Find a motherboard with a built-in Ultra 160 SCSI controller and you'll save some money. Hook up an Ultra 160 A/V drive to it and you're ready to rock and roll! Adaptec is the leader in SCSI controllers. Good luck! Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: michele wortman&guy aitchison > [mailto:hyperspacestudios@earthlink.net] > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 6:56 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: The set up > > > > Hey Kevin! > Thanks for your time in replying. I am new to making music. My influences > are mostly what I listen to and what is in my head. I don't know > much about > programs for looping but have heard nothing but good things about acid, > which I have and have never used since we have a mac and can't seem to get > acid to work through virtual pc. I also have an older version of pro tools > but find it kinda complicated to sync beats. I really am just fresh out of > the water and don't want to start with anything too complex. I am not a > laptop or p.c user so that world is kind of vague to me. I am > always maxing > out the storage space of 8 g.b on the mac with video files so I > was thinking > I should plan ahead with space since I will need room to stream the video > files through the p.c to a multimedia projector, as well as store > alot of my > music files so the project is somewhat self contained, in terms of being > able to locate my beats. I was wondering if I should have a p.c > custom built > to avoid features that I won't use, but I guess the real expense no matter > how you slice it is the g.b and the ram. > > M > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 14:21:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10629; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:19:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:19:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <399A03B9.EB97F8C@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:00:09 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ztar for looping References: <20000815175510.5326.rocketmail@web221.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9ra_nC.A.ElC.BmYm5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stephen wrote: SNIP > > I use it with a Roland MC-80 hardware sequencer for > midi looping with moderately good results. I have > synced up the EDP and the MC-80 through midi clock, > and just this morning got the HandSonic & the MC-80 > synced....I hope this week to get all three singing in > unison. > > One inention I have for the EDP (not yet realized), in > addition to looping real-time audio, is to try to use > it as something of a temporary loop scratch pad to > make up for the limitations in the MC-80's & > HandSonic's real-time midi looping capabilities. For > example, on the MC-80 you can define a loop region and > record up to 16 tracks, switching between tracks, > dropping in and out of record mode and are able to > mute & unmute tracks. But you can't define a new loop > region while in record mode, so i fantasize about > dropping the looping audio to the EDP to keep things > going, stopping the sequencer & restarting with a > different loop region to start a separate 'movement' > so to speak. You must absolutely try it with the EDP as a master (sync out) record the first loop gem at EndRecord a start song is sent to the slaves and you can begin to build your midi/audio loops very fast (overdub,multiply,insert etc) when its time to move on rezise the loop with some clever multiply--record BTW this also will change the midi clock rate-Tempo > Mapping the ztar pads to control the echoplex is an > interesting idea - I had not even thought of that. I > had Harvey at Starrlabs put extra pads (along with a > few other controllers) on my baby, hoping to create a > zen drum / ztar hybrid, but the pads don't quite work > as expected/desired for finger drumming, so goodness > knows i've got enough extra pads to fiddle with. Please take us informed about your findings and developments. > Harvey had mentioned a while back to me about putting > a loop sequencer in the ztar firmware, but i've not > heard any updates on that. His newest gizmo in alpha > release (based on the same ztar firmware, I believe) > is the EventStation he built for Kurzweil which > he claims is something like "MAX in a box", with 2 > onboard sequencers & some looping capabilities - > details are a bit sketchy. > > stephen we can hope that once its a Kurtzweil instrument (available) the doc will be a litle less hierogliphical (=:) welcome Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 14:28:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10898; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:27:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:27:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000815175510.5326.rocketmail@web221.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:15:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Ztar for looping Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> Ordered a Z2 from Harvey, still waiting, but has >> anyone already mentioned that there appears to be no >> Echoplexes being manufactured right now? I just put >> my name on the waiting-list-from-hell at Alto. They >> said manufacturing wouldn't rev back up until the >> fall. Has anyone else confirmed this? Damn...i had to take my name OFF the list, and now i'm almost glad i did. The production on the Echoplex is, to me, really a joke. You've got people waiting for a product (reason: extensive testing to make sure it's rock-solid before you ship) and then there is a significant percentage of product glitches and failures. Following that, production stops? What? Given the great performance of my two Electrix products (Filter Queen and EQ Killer) and the technical support i've received so far...i'd rather wait till fall and get a Repeater than the elusive EDP. Let's hope Electrix comes through better than Trace/Gibson is. whatever 2 cents is worth these days... rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 16:01:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12250; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:59:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:59:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:58:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Ztar for looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Damn...i had to take my name OFF the list, and now i'm almost glad i did. >The production on the Echoplex is, to me, really a joke. You've got people >waiting for a product (reason: extensive testing to make sure it's >rock-solid before you ship) and then there is a significant percentage of >product glitches and failures. Following that, production stops? What? > >Given the great performance of my two Electrix products (Filter Queen and >EQ Killer) and the technical support i've received so far...i'd rather wait >till fall and get a Repeater than the elusive EDP. Let's hope Electrix >comes through better than Trace/Gibson is. Don't forget that some of us Mac users are still boycotting Gibson (for whatever it's worth) for their very shabby treatment of Vision/OMS users... which makes the Electrix and the revamped Boomerang the only two choices for a serious looper... /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 17:08:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13260; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:05:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:05:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3999DE41.B22B14CC@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:20:27 -0700 From: Your Name Reply-To: switters@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: London References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-2E4p.A.cOD.dBbm5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've noticed that there are a number of English patrons (and ex-pats) on this list, and I wonder if any of them can shed some light on what the potential for gigs and general living expenses are like in London and the surrounding environs. Is there work? What kind of work (studio, live, etc)? How easy is it to meet musicians? Can one afford the living expenses? How easy is it for a foreign national to get a day job? Yours in curiousity, Sean From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 18:01:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14126; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:58:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:58:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000815145632.007b0470@col-ed.org> X-Sender: tim@col-ed.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:56:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Timoth E. Gard" Subject: KeyKit In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com KeyKit's available for Mac. To my knowledge, BuildingBlocks is not. The url for KeyKit is http://www.thompsonresidence.com/tjt/index.html At 10:13 AM 8/12/00 -0400, you wrote: >If any of this is available on the Mac platform, I'd appreciate hearing >about it. And where is" Tim Thompson's website" to be found? Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 19:32:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15620; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:30:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:30:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <84.9860288.26cb2c47@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:29:11 EDT Subject: Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro NO RESERVE!!!!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Fellow loopers, I am aucioning my (spare) EDP! http://cgi.ebay.aol.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=410792469 No Reserve! Like New in Box with Manual! "Loop 3" ver 5 Software w/ 92 sec. sampling. INCLUDES EFC-7 Foot Controller. John Mark Painter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 22:33:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19114; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:31:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:31:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jax1723@aol.com Message-ID: <6f.9327271.26cb56b6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:30:14 EDT Subject: Re: The set up To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 117 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 8/15/2000 1:59:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > Does anyone know the name of that video program that was discussed here a > while ago? Video monkey, or something to that effect? It sounds like it > would be right up Michele's alley. smart monkey... here's the link: http://members.home.net/smartmonkeyplayer/ good luck jack From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 16 04:18:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23445; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 04:17:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 04:17:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.172] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: hyperspacestudios@earthlink.net Subject: Re: The set up Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:15:12 MST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2000 08:15:12.0073 (UTC) FILETIME=[1962CB90:01C0075A] Resent-Message-ID: <7YsCFD.A.htF.r2km5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry if this seems like a strange question, but the "Guy Aitchison" in your address header wouldn't happen to be the famous tattoo artist Guy Aithison, would it? -Skully ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 16 04:28:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23692; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 04:27:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 04:27:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: spat@visi.com Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.20000816082854.007455b0@pop.visi.com> X-Sender: spat@pop.visi.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 03:28:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jon wrote: >I've tried that dumb ass they just won't let me go I've tied to be patient >but it's not working You should have tried that smart ass instead if you can't get let go use a cleaver that would work Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 16 09:34:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26277; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:33:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:33:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-Id: <200008161332.JAA26239@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:32:03 EDT Subject: OT: some torn concerts To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ah, yeah; a coupla live appearances for ya: tim berne's (L)oops @ tonic, wed 8/16 8/10pm, 107 norfolk st, nyc tim berne/saxophones tony malaby/tenor sax craig taborn/keyed things, tom rainey/drungs david torn/whatever plane @ knitting factory LA, 10/10 & 10/11 meshell ndegeocello/bass, samples, etc will calhoun/drungs & electro-thingies david torn/the usual assortment best, dt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 16 11:33:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28380; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:32:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:32:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:30:04 -0400 From: Alessandro Ricciarelli Subject: Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro NO RESERVE!!!!!!! Sender: Alessandro Ricciarelli To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: <200008161130_MC2-AFF0-D8D6@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA28318 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------- Begin Original Message -------------------- Message text written by INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com "Hello Fellow loopers, I am aucioning my (spare) EDP! http://cgi.ebay.aol.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=410792469 No Reserve! Like New in Box with Manual! "Loop 3" ver 5 Software w/ 92 sec. sampling. INCLUDES EFC-7 Foot Controller. John Mark Painter" -------------------- End Original Message -------------------- Hi John Mark, I have no idea what these things cost, but I am interested in buying it. Could you tell me what the highest bid is so far? Thanks, Alessandro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 16 12:12:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29169; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:08:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:08:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:05:48 EDT Subject: Re: Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro NO RESERVE!!!!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 8/16/00 10:30:43 AM, Ricciarelli@compuserve.com writes: << http://cgi.ebay.aol.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=410792469 No Reserve! Like New in Box with Manual! "Loop 3" ver 5 Software w/ 92 sec. sampling. INCLUDES EFC-7 Foot Controller. John Mark Painter" >> Well... This one is at $700 right now.....they usually go for $750-$900 They have gotten ridiculously high a few times when someone with too much $$$$$$ REALLY wanted one :) johnflem@aol.com flemingandjohn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 16 17:06:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01220; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:04:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:04:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [149.99.119.187] From: "Alex Hatz" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Classical music loops Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:02:59 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2000 21:02:59.0378 (UTC) FILETIME=[5BA3B120:01C007C5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Does anyone know where I can find loops of Classical music, or something similar. I'm trying to score a short film of mine, and I like to use loops (because I can do it myself) but I don't want it to sound like techno or dance music. Some packages have Country music loops which are close to what I want, but are too Country sounding. Thanks, Alex ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 16 17:46:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02032; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:45:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:45:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <399B3942.A9067179@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 18:01:06 -0700 From: Your Name Reply-To: switters@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Performance with Computers/DJ-ing References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm curious as to how people are using their computers for live performance. How do you manipulate it? How much is live vs. sequenced/pre-recorded? Are there any DJ/Turntablists mixing with vinyl and a computer? I've thought about trying to incorporate my G3 Powerbook into a live situation but I'm uncertain as to what a performance would constitute beyond pressing play and twiddling with on-screen faders. As a DJ, how does one perform a track you've recorded and released live? For instance when the Chemical Brothers perform, what exactly are they doing? I know Portishead press-up vinyl of the beats and other materials they've recorded but what is the process of working with such material. As I said, I'm curious. Please no slander or flame wars over the validity of such performances, all such debates are simply displays of subjectivities in conflict. I would like to hear from people about actual techniques, process and performances. Best, Sean From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 16 19:16:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03419; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:14:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:14:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c007d8$1148fbe0$ca448cd4@HendersonTesco.net> From: "Simon Henderson" To: Subject: Jam Man Problems Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:16:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, My name's Simon Henderson, and I guess I've been looping for around five or six years (influenced heavily by Adrian Belew and the ubiquitous Mr Fripp). I've only just come across Looper's Delight, so please forgive me if I'm raising a done and dusted problem (although nothing leap-out during a quick trawl through the archives). I was wondering if any fellow loopers might be able to help me regarding a query I have concerning my Lexicon Jam Man. My unit is quite a few years old now, and seems to have developed a problem when I try to put it into echo mode - essentially, the unit will not go into echo mode when it's set via the 'mode' knob. The device acts exactly the same as if it is in loop mode (including the functionality of the foot control and front-panel buttons). I have tried to see if the knob has become misaligned (i.e. echo mode is at a different front panel setting from 12 o'clock) but the unit simply will not go into the mode at any position. However, the unit will go into sample mode when I set the knob at the usual 6 o'clock position. I was wondering if there is anything obvious I can try? Are there are 'reset' modes during power-up? Is there anything obvious I can do inside the box? - could it be dry solder joints somewhere? I'd much appreciate any help or suggestions anybody can offer. Thanks, Simon Henderson Kent, UK From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 16 19:16:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03414; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:14:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:14:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Classical music loops Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:17:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <5uJvFB.A.f0.lAym5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, there a disk by eastwest called Scoring Tools. It's Akai. bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. -----Original Message----- From: Alex Hatz [mailto:alex_hatz@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 2:03 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Classical music loops Hi, Does anyone know where I can find loops of Classical music, or something similar. I'm trying to score a short film of mine, and I like to use loops (because I can do it myself) but I don't want it to sound like techno or dance music. Some packages have Country music loops which are close to what I want, but are too Country sounding. Thanks, Alex ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 16 21:25:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05276; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:24:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:24:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Classical music loops Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 18:23:14 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2000 01:23:15.0198 (UTC) FILETIME=[B764B9E0:01C007E9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To my experience, most generic "loop" CD's are dance-music oriented. My suggestion would be to buy some regular classical CD's, plug your guitar cord into the headphone output of your CD player (stereo adaptor suggested), and sending the output to whatever looper you use for your instrument. Who knows, maybe someone on this list loops classical music? Tim Nelson (from this list) did some for the CT-Found Sound project about a year ago. The mp3 is called "Beethoven's Fifth Remix" and is available at this url, which is the "loopxchange" CT Collection site created/maintained by list member Morgan Hamilton Lang: http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/works_foundsound.html Best, Matt Davignon http://artists2.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Matt_Davignon/ >From: "Alex Hatz" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Classical music loops >Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:02:59 EDT > >Hi, > >Does anyone know where I can find loops of Classical music, or something >similar. I'm trying to score a short film of mine, and I like to use loops >(because I can do it myself) but I don't want it to sound like techno or >dance music. > >Some packages have Country music loops which are close to what I want, but >are too Country sounding. > >Thanks, >Alex >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 16 22:47:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07293; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:46:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:46:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000816225156.007b6860@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:51:56 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Classical music loops In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <4-XGkB.A.cxB.sH1m5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:23 PM 8/16/00 PDT, you wrote: >Tim Nelson (from this list) did some for the CT-Found Sound project about a >year ago. The mp3 is called "Beethoven's Fifth Remix" and is available at >this url, which is the "loopxchange" CT Collection site created/maintained >by list member Morgan Hamilton Lang: > >http://www.music.columbia.edu/%7Ececenter/mhl21/ct/works_foundsound.html But be forewarned, it sounds more like Ligeti edited in a cuisinart! Ludwig goes microtonal... Actually, for your classical loop-purposes, you might find it worthwhile to check out some loop-based music production software such as Sonic Foundry's Acid (click on the link on the LD site...) While you could try to find sample discs with orchestral instruments on them, you might have some fun snagging phrases off existing "classical" cd's, mutating them beyond recognition, and then re-assembling them into an "original" composition. By mangling them as such, you'll avoid the problems that go with using recognizable samples, and you'll also be able to keep your "classical" loops from sounding "too classical"; you can keep the timbres of the instruments, but make the parts do things the composer never dreamed of, nor wanted to. Getting anachronistic is one way... write a modernistic twelve-tone piece using the sounds of crumhorns, bombardes and nakers... combine instruments from different cultures that you'd never ordinarily hear together; maybe a hurdy-gurdy droning under a vibraphone loop with a shakuhachi and an oud trading off melody lines, or harpsichord with taiko drums or something... The possibilities are endless. Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 00:16:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08621; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:15:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:15:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: The Best Loopers Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:19:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001d01bffe60$d91d6100$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis, sorry for taking so long to respond... here are your questions and my responses... > I'm just wondering what the best looper to use is? ... > Of course I have to ask, "'Best' for what?" Here's some > considerations: How do you want to use it? Live? In the studio? Live work mainly, once the songs are written. > With other gear? It'll need to interact with some other kind of synth unit, like the Kurzweil 2500RS. What I'd like to be able to do is use the synth features to change the sound of my guitar to a variety of other instruments, and then use the looping capability to build up parts. Generally, I'm looking for professional level performance with expansion capability for the future. > With other players? There may be other folks on the stage, but I don't think there will be direct interaction with the EDP on their part (if that's what you meant). > Do you improvise as you play? Yes. > Do you want preset loop lengths? Not sure because I'm a novice. Guess my answer now is the more flexibility the better. What are the pros and cons here? > How much floor space do you have? Not a problem. > Can you use rack-mounted equipment? Yes. > How mobile? Just huffing to the occasional gig... > Does it have to be battery powered? AC will be available. > Do you connect it to a mixer effects loop? Should have this capability. > Do you want stereo? Not now, but would like to have the capability for later expansion. > How many simultaneous loops? Again, not sure because I'm a novice. Guess my answer now is the more flexibility the better. What are the pros and cons here? Does this help give you the info needed to make a recommendation? Thanks for your assistance, Dennis, and to anyone else that cares to chime in on this thread. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 00:44:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09006; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:43:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:43:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017301c00805$314a8580$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> From: "BC" To: References: Subject: loop modulation ala eh-16 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:39:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was just remembering fondly my EH-16 I bought back in 83 and its ability to modulate the loop by sweeping the playback rate. Although the sound was low-fi, that was a terrific effect. I miss that puppy (but I lucklily ditched it as a 'collectable' before it was completely haywire) I suppose that was possible/easy because of the analog design. Is it resonable to expect digital looping gear to do weird things like that? -Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 00:58:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09265; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:57:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:57:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <017301c00805$314a8580$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> References: <017301c00805$314a8580$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:57:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: loop modulation ala eh-16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I was just remembering fondly my EH-16 I bought back in 83 and its ability >to modulate the loop by sweeping the playback rate. Although the sound was >low-fi, that was a terrific effect. I miss that puppy (but I lucklily >ditched it as a 'collectable' before it was completely haywire) > >I suppose that was possible/easy because of the analog design. Is it >resonable to expect digital looping gear to do weird things like that? The line 6 Dl-4 does that sort of thing really well... in fact, I think it has an emulation of that specific device! /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 01:29:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09717; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:28:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:28:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:28:57 -0700 Subject: Re: Performance with Computers/DJ-ing From: Andrew Pask To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm curious as to how people are using their computers for live performance. I use Max/Msp on a Lombard 400 OS 8.6 192 meg (not enough) with a foot operated mouse (no hands mouse) while I play saxophones etc.I'm putting up with the crap sound manager latency until I get mLan and go to heaven (yeah right) http://macweek.zdnet.com/2000/08/06/0811mlan.html I get around the crap sound manager latency by not demanding any timing accuracy from my Max patches.I went down the "trying to make Max play along with the rhythm section" road for a while, it's not happening (yet). I'm working with a "laptop band" at the moment.They play, and they DJ with mp3s and soft samplers, so that's where the grooves come from.I leave my own rhythmic input to my live horns and percussion.The Max patches I have developed sample my live input, and I variously goof around with those samples in all sorts of ways, I'm particularly fond of a real time Doppler effect spatialisation patch I've modified (the sound of the saxophone player going past the bandstand at great speed).I can trigger playback quite accurately for riffs, but I'm not really interested in trying to sound like the Tower of Power, better just to get real people for that. Max/msp has it's drawbacks, latency being most of them , but for the flexibility I'm putting up with it.The only other thing that is annoying is not being able to stand up when I'm playing. L8r Andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 01:31:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09991; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:30:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:30:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000817052948.16617.qmail@web117.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:29:48 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: loop modulation ala eh-16 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a DL-4. It has an emulation of the EH Memory Man, but not the EH-16. The DL-4 has a loop mode, but you can't modulate the loop. You can play the loop in reverse and/or play with the half speed function. I suppose the old Digitech RDS delays would allow you to modulate a loop. I wonder if EH will ever reissue the EH-16. It's been rumored for a long time. John --- Tom Ritchford wrote: > >I was just remembering fondly my EH-16 I bought > back in 83 and its ability > >to modulate the loop by sweeping the playback rate. > Although the sound was > >low-fi, that was a terrific effect. I miss that > puppy (but I lucklily > >ditched it as a 'collectable' before it was > completely haywire) > > > >I suppose that was possible/easy because of the > analog design. Is it > >resonable to expect digital looping gear to do > weird things like that? > > The line 6 Dl-4 does that sort of thing really > well... in fact, I think > it has an emulation of that specific device! > > /t > > > ...electronic a capella madness > ......... > ...extreme internet radio > ... > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 01:38:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10374; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:37:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:37:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <018001c0080c$b2ebc700$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> From: "BC" To: References: <017301c00805$314a8580$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> Subject: Re: line 6 Dl-4 (loop modulation ala eh-16) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:33:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The line 6 Dl-4 does that sort of thing really well... Thanks for the tip!! Went to Harmony Central and read the raves. This box is definitely barking up that tree. (hmm, weirdly mixed metaphors) Well, I know I really want to loop the sounds this thing must make! Have to admit I'm chagrined though. I thought getting my MPX-G2 would cure me of stomp boxes forever. Lasted a month, oh well :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 01:47:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10576; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:46:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:46:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Bad-Idea: su; rm -rf / X-Blasphemy: Invert me under my stars. X-PGPPubKey: http://www.realm-of-shade.com/thereverendrob.pgp.txt Message-Id: <4.1.20000816233431.00ba5d70@realm-of-shade.com> X-Sender: reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:34:59 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: loop modulation ala eh-16 In-Reply-To: <20000817052948.16617.qmail@web117.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At or around 10:29 PM 8/16/00 -0700, John Tidwell wrote: >I suppose the old Digitech RDS delays would allow you >to modulate a loop. They all do allow you to do just that, and there's a reason I have several in my rack. 93/156 == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ================================================================= http://www.reverendrob.com : feedback and echo MP3s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 02:01:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10857; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:59:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:59:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000817055908.26875.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:59:08 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: loop modulation ala eh-16 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I scored an RDS 7.6 on ebay a while back. I need to try that! A question for the other RDS owners....... I've tried connecting all of the rear panel control jacks to a patch bay for easy access. However, I've found that plugging into the delay time jack disables the front panel delay knob. I would prefer to have both foot pedal & knob control available. Is this possible? John --- the Reverend Rob wrote: > At or around 10:29 PM 8/16/00 -0700, John Tidwell > wrote: > > >I suppose the old Digitech RDS delays would allow > you > >to modulate a loop. > > They all do allow you to do just that, and there's a > reason I have several > in my rack. > > 93/156 > == > the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 > http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. > http://www.qblh.com > ================================================================= > "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to > destroy as much > property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the > Airplane FBI file > ================================================================= > http://www.reverendrob.com : feedback and echo MP3s > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 02:02:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11059; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 02:02:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 02:02:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000817060040.27130.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:00:40 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: line 6 Dl-4 (loop modulation ala eh-16) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a better source of info for the DL-4...... http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=dl4&Search=Search&errors=0&maxfiles=1000&maxlines=0&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=filelist&.cgifields=case&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=restricttofiles John --- BC wrote: > > The line 6 Dl-4 does that sort of thing really > well... > > Thanks for the tip!! Went to Harmony Central and > read the raves. This box > is definitely barking up that tree. (hmm, weirdly > mixed metaphors) Well, I > know I really want to loop the sounds this thing > must make! > > Have to admit I'm chagrined though. I thought > getting my MPX-G2 would cure > me of stomp boxes forever. Lasted a month, oh well > :) > > > > > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 03:11:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11941; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 03:10:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 03:10:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1Jr1 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:09:20 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: test - ignore Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com test - ignore From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 03:13:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12083; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 03:12:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 03:12:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <399B9002.7FE6CB7B@gi.intercom.es> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:10:58 +0200 From: samuel C X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "akai@sonicware.com" , "homestudio@topica.com" , "logic-users@egroups.com" , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Distortion Plugin (VST/DX) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Return-Path: samu@gi.intercom.es X-MDRcpt-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-MDRemoteIP: 10.0.0.253 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there. I personally own a boss Metal Zone guitar pedal. It's amazingly GREAT running congas and Hi Hats through it!! (have you ever tried this?) well.. my question.. Is there any plugin distortion similar to this?? (the fact is that I don't like very much the idea of having to resample my tracks to get them processed..) TIA. _Sam_ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 10:11:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19454; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:09:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:09:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006601c00854$c4497f40$370c1b18@austin.rr.com> From: "Kevin Thomas" To: References: <20000817052948.16617.qmail@web117.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: loop modulation ala eh-16 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:09:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <5fZJMD.A.kuE.NH_m5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com EH-16... The guy I buy my EH stuff keeps telling me that his rep says it's coming - I told him to get me one whenever they come out.... drfuzz ---- Original Message ----- From: "John Tidwell" To: Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 12:29 AM Subject: Re: loop modulation ala eh-16 > I have a DL-4. It has an emulation of the EH Memory > Man, but not the EH-16. The DL-4 has a loop mode, but > you can't modulate the loop. You can play the loop in > reverse and/or play with the half speed function. > > I suppose the old Digitech RDS delays would allow you > to modulate a loop. > > I wonder if EH will ever reissue the EH-16. It's been > rumored for a long time. > > John > > > --- Tom Ritchford wrote: > > >I was just remembering fondly my EH-16 I bought > > back in 83 and its ability > > >to modulate the loop by sweeping the playback rate. > > Although the sound was > > >low-fi, that was a terrific effect. I miss that > > puppy (but I lucklily > > >ditched it as a 'collectable' before it was > > completely haywire) > > > > > >I suppose that was possible/easy because of the > > analog design. Is it > > >resonable to expect digital looping gear to do > > weird things like that? > > > > The line 6 Dl-4 does that sort of thing really > > well... in fact, I think > > it has an emulation of that specific device! > > > > /t > > > > > > ...electronic a capella madness > > ......... > > ...extreme internet radio > > ... > > > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 10:47:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22103; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:46:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:46:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006501c00859$4edbc0b0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Performance with Computers/DJ-ing Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:42:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I use Max/Msp on a Lombard 400 OS 8.6 192 meg (not enough) with a foot > operated mouse (no hands mouse) while I play saxophones etc.I'm putting up > with the crap sound manager latency until I get mLan and go to heaven (yeah > right) "foot operated mouse"!!??!?? I LIKE it! Supplier? Details? URL? > I get around the crap sound manager latency by not demanding any timing > . . . > not being able to stand up when I'm playing. Sounds like cool stuff! Is the Doppler effect in stereo? Any recordings? Even a "mic on a pole in the middle of the room" live recording? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 11:24:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24874; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:22:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:22:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <017301c00805$314a8580$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> <017301c00805$314a8580$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:09:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: loop modulation ala eh-16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>I was just remembering fondly my EH-16 I bought back in 83 and its ability >>to modulate the loop by sweeping the playback rate. Although the sound was >>low-fi, that was a terrific effect. I miss that puppy (but I lucklily >>ditched it as a 'collectable' before it was completely haywire) >> >>I suppose that was possible/easy because of the analog design. Is it >>resonable to expect digital looping gear to do weird things like that? > >The line 6 Dl-4 does that sort of thing really well... in fact, I think >it has an emulation of that specific device! Not true...The DL4 loops cannot be modulated like the Digitech PDS and RDS units (which is a bummer, IMO) Although being able to set your loop length on the fly, 1/2 speed and backwards functions go beyond what the Digitechs could do. I have tried to mimic the Digitechs by using the Digital Delay setting on the DL4 and setting the repeats all the way up. You still get signal coming into the delay line, but you can get it so it is essentially 'infinite repeating'. Now comes the problem. With the Digitechs, if you adjusted the Delay rate, you would get this smooth pitch change as you adjusted the rate. It would ramp up or down in a nice controllable manner. The DL4 tends to freak out alot easier, and then you get these really whacked sounds that are infinite repeating, causing me to rush to the 'repeats' knob and turn it down, as my cats go running out of the room. I am finding the more i use the DL4, i appreciate it more as a tabletop, studio 'delay modeler' (discreet stereo and 24 bit) than a predictable performance unit. I definitely use it live, but stick mostly to the looper section and use an expression pedal to control the mix of the loop. Once you start fiddling with the knobs on the DL4, you get some surprises...some good, some not so good. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 11:31:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25552; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:29:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:29:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.254.136.141] From: "Alex Hatz" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Classical music loops Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:28:11 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2000 15:28:11.0625 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0D19590:01C0085F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please excuse my ignorance but: If I were to purchase a Sample CD like Scoring Tools and it says "Akai", what exactly does that mean. Do I need an Akai synth to play these things, or can I play them on a normal CD player, create a WAV file an then use something like Sonic Foundry to put it all together. Is there something online that explains this, so I don't have to bug you guys. Thanks very much. Alex > >Yes, there a disk by eastwest called Scoring Tools. It's Akai. > >bIz > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 12:45:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30903; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:41:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:41:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:41:12 -0700 Subject: Re: Performance with Computers/DJ-ing From: Andrew Pask To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006501c00859$4edbc0b0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0L8eg.A.4gH.kVBn5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > "foot operated mouse"!!??!?? I LIKE it! Supplier? Details? URL? You'll never guess.... http://www.footmouse.com/ > Sounds like cool stuff! Is the Doppler effect in stereo? Any recordings? > Even > a "mic on a pole in the middle of the room" live recording? > Unfortunately the rest of the band is in Hong Kong at the moment.(Me mostly in LA) They'll be here in November I think for some gigs, I'll post the details/recording URLs. The Doppler effect is cool.I actually have it for a four speaker spatialisation setup, but it works fine in stereo too.I control it from a window which I draw all over to simulate my position and velocity relative to the room.I have also built a 2 dimensional random walk into it so that it just goes all over the place changing pitch and adding/losing reverb. Cheers Andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 14:26:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06655; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:23:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:23:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: loop modulation ala eh-16 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:19:32 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com . > > I am finding the more i use the DL4, i appreciate it more as a tabletop, > studio 'delay modeler' (discreet stereo and 24 bit) than a predictable > performance unit. I definitely use it live, but stick mostly to > the looper > section and use an expression pedal to control the mix of the loop. Are you saying that you use the expression pedal to control the feedback rate, or just the mix? I didn't realize the expression pedal was funtional on the 'looper' part of the DL4, I thought it was just for smoothly gliding between 2 other presets. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 15:18:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11383; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:16:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:16:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c00880$12fd4c40$56498cd4@HendersonTesco.net> From: "Simon Henderson" To: Subject: Jam Man thanks Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:19:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rich, >I have some directions i got from Lexicon years ago that describes how to do resets and >also how to put the JamMan into 'diagnostic' mode, where it will test it's >internal circuits and also the RAM. >If i can find it, i would be happy to fax it to you. Thanks for your kind offer - any help would be greatly appreciated. Out of interest, why did you have cause to use these functions? Best regards, Simon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 15:39:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13479; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:37:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:37:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:24:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Long DL4 post (was: loop modulation ala eh-16) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >. >> >> I am finding the more i use the DL4, i appreciate it more as a tabletop, >> studio 'delay modeler' (discreet stereo and 24 bit) than a predictable >> performance unit. I definitely use it live, but stick mostly to >> the looper >> section and use an expression pedal to control the mix of the loop. > >Are you saying that you use the expression pedal to control the feedback >rate, or just the mix? I didn't realize the expression pedal was funtional >on the 'looper' part of the DL4, I thought it was just for smoothly gliding >between 2 other presets. > >Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices >http://www.hazardfactor.com The expression pedal will control any one (or more) of the contol knobs of the DL4 within a given preset, or the looper mode. You cannot, for example, use the expression pedal to move from reverse delay into the rhythmic delay. Within a given preset, you can use the expression pedal to 'morph' between two settings, like having one extreme be a single slapback repeat, and the other extreme be multiple repeats, and the pedal will then transition between those two. IMO, the implemetation of the expression pedal ranges from functional but mildly aggravating to just plain sucking...especially when playing live. For example, let's say i have the expression pedal to control the mix in Looper mode (yes, it works in looper mode!), and i'm playing live. Now say i set a loop, and i want to lay some wierd delayed noise over the top, so i bend down and bring in the predelay. All is good, and now i decide to fade out the loop via the mix with the expression pedal, right? Still good. Stop my loop, continue playing with the band. Ok, now onto the next song. Next time i bring the looper back in, i need push the expression pedal up so i can hear the loop, right? AND THERE'S THE PREDELAY AGAIN! If i happened to have the predelay set to very long repeats on the previous song (which i often do, for swelled pads and such), all of the stuff i was now just playing was feeding into the predelay line, but i couldn't hear it because the expression pedal (mix) was down. So all of a sudden, you bring your expression pedal up, so you can start your loop and the noise from hell starts erupting out of the damn thing. The DL4 is constantly monitoring the expression pedal, so it can see where the settings are in toe up position and where the settings are in toe down position. There is no way to 'lock' the expression pedal into controlling JUST one knobs function and ONLY that knobs function. If you start tweaking live...look out. Also, if you are using the exp. pedal in one of the delay models, and you mess with the tap tempo, so you can sync with the rhythm of the song? The new tempo will be mapped onto the expression pedal as one of the settings, so if you move that pedal now, you will be morphing between two delay TIME settings. I can think of a few hundred things that sound nicer that a morph between two delay time settings when you don't expect it. Especially when my earlier post mentioned that the transition between delay TIME settings on the DL4 is not a smooth pitch glide like on the Digitech PDS or RDS units. It's a 'oh my god, what's happening?' kindof sound. Not to say that i don't like this pedal, or wouldn't recommend it. It is truly a great box for the price. As a live pedal though, i have had to use the expression pedal to control only the MIX (on all delay preset and looper mode) and come to the realization that if i get on my knees and start dialing, say goodbye to using the expression pedal until the 'preset' is turned off and reengaged. I chased Line6 on this issue for quite a while, and while George Van Wagner of Line6 was friendly and helpful to an extent, it became very obvious that i was asking questions beyond where he felt he needed to pursue. He came up with an idea of hooking up the expression pedal to an a/b box before plugging it into the DL4 with the idea being that you could make the DL4 not 'see' the expression pedal while you are tweaking or stomping on the tap tempo, and then reengage the pedal to control what it normally did. I tried that...many times. Sure, it stops 'seeing' the expression pedal, but it won't lock on and 'see' it once you hit the a/b box again. Nice try but no cigar, and no further solutions offered. PLEASE EXCUSE THE LONG BITCH... hope this was of some help! rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 15:58:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15068; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:56:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:56:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001701c00880$12fd4c40$56498cd4@HendersonTesco.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:44:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Jam Man thanks Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Thanks for your kind offer - any help would be greatly appreciated. Out of >interest, why did you have cause to use these functions? > >Best regards, >Simon Simon, I found the paper that i was referring to, but it does not list how to do a hard reset (which is definitely where i would start). Perhaps contacting Lexicon would be the best bet. The paper i have shows how to put the Jammie into 'diagnostic mode', which as i said before, i will fax to you if you need it. I got this paper faxed to me from Lexicon Technical Support when my Jamman started getting wierd glitches in Delay mode. I would have these little 'pops' and artifacts coming in, and since i tend to use really long delays, they would go on forever! It was really frustrating, and Lexicon sent me this paper to test the RAM, thinking that was the culprit. The RAM passed ok, and soon after i got another Jamman which i upgraded, too. I think i swapped the RAM in each machine for some reason, if i remember correctly. I haven't had any problems since, so it was kindof a ghost problem. Since then i have been using a Midi controller to control the jamman, and i am mostly in 'loop' mode, and i also sold one of them. I am not using it as much and not really pushing it as hard as i used to. It sounds as if your problem is much more serious and persistent. If you want me to fax you the diagnostics pages, give me a fax number. I would definitely give Lexicon a call and see if you can find a sympathetic ear. Let me know if i can be of any further assistance! Best Regards, Rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 16:07:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15349; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:05:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:05:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C41307ED@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: heads up on a gig at the new knitting factory, hollywood Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:03:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C00886.1FEF29C2" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C00886.1FEF29C2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" august 20 8:00, $10.00 stinkbug: the heinous noise churning broken monster machine which teeters on the verge of sounding like the illegitimately cloned offspring of miles davis and black sabbath. featuring g.e. stinson (guitars, looping and such) , nels cline (more and more guitars and looping) , steuart liebig (basses and looping, other crap) and scott amendola (drumset; scott is threatening to start looping at some point, too. maybe we'll all just set up loops and head to the bar). crib opens: devin sarno seduces from the lowest frequencies fragile dream state trance ecstasies. http://www.knittingfactory.com/kfla/calendar/index.cfm maybe we'll see ya there. thanks, stig ------_=_NextPart_001_01C00886.1FEF29C2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1"

august 20  8:00, $10.00 

stinkbug: the heinous noise churning broken monster machine which teeters
on the verge of sounding like the illegitimately cloned offspring of miles
davis and black sabbath. featuring g.e. stinson  (guitars, looping and such) , nels cline  (more and more guitars and looping) , steuart liebig  (basses and looping, other crap) and scott amendola  (drumset; scott is threatening to start looping at some point, too. maybe we'll all just set up loops and head to the bar). 

crib opens: devin sarno seduces from the lowest frequencies fragile dream
state trance ecstasies.   
 
 
maybe we'll see ya there.
 
thanks,
 
stig
------_=_NextPart_001_01C00886.1FEF29C2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 16:17:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15604; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:15:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:15:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c00887$4579c7f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Jam Man thanks Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:11:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All right! Another great example of how our community helps each other! > The paper i have shows how to put the Jammie into 'diagnostic mode', which > as i said before, i will fax to you if you need it. > . . . > Let me know if i can be of any further assistance! Sounds like great information to put on the LD website! (Hint! Hint!) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 16:27:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15979; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:25:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:25:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:25:07 -0700 Subject: Boomerang Update From: Larry Stites To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is the Boomerang update shipping? I called Mars Music in Las Vegas and the sales guy didn't know when or even if they'd be getting any... "Won't know until the truck rolls in on Wednesdays." When will it be available and where? Larry Stites ZenDrumPercussiveVocalist From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 16:46:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16407; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:44:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:44:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c0088b$f5ace900$53c6c7cf@stevelaptop> From: "Steve Rudolph" To: References: Subject: Re: Boomerang Update Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:44:37 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <2tvTmC.A.u_D.05En5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here is the original email from Mike Nelson at Boomerang Music. The upgrade is being shipped directly from Texas to existing Boomerang owners upon order, payment and proof of purchase date. The new units with the upgrade already installed have yet to reach vendors. -Steve Hi loopers, plexifists, and Rangsters, We have not gotten our supply of parts for the new V2 upgrade module to a point where we are making "new" Rangs, though our manufacturing problems have eased a little and we are shipping again. We are, however, selling the upgrade to Rang owners. The price is on a sliding scale depending on how long you've owned your Rang. The following letter pretty well covers what's up with the upgrade. ============================================= Any and all Rangs can be upgraded by replacing the current microprocessor with the 2.0 Module. Older units have an additional part that needs to be changed. If your AD/DA converter is an 1848, you will have to upgrade it to the newer 1845. The new software will not recognize the old converter. In this case, your Rang will have to make a trip home to Texas because it takes a special tool to remove this part. To check this out, remove the 4 front screws & 10 bottom ones; then place the Rang on its face with the roller to the right and remove the bottom cover. You'll be looking at the circuit board in all its glory. The AD/DA converter is made by Analog Devices, is one of the larger parts and is the only square one. The part number information is printed on the part and reads like AD1845JP. The important piece of info is the 4 digits. If it says 1848, then it's got to be replaced if you want the new software. Also, some of the early Rangs were sold with 1Mbyte of memory. This provided 32 seconds of recording on normal speed and 64 seconds on half speed. If you have a 1Mbyte Rang, this is a good time to upgrade the memory to 4Mbytes as the increased sample rate of the new software will reduce the normal speed record time to 21 seconds. Until recently Rangs came with 2 x 275 op amps and 1 x 283. They're small 8 pin chips that reside in sockets. The objectionable pop, that can occur when pressing the thru mute switch, is related to these parts. If you've noticed this problem, it can be fixed by replacing one of the 275's with a 2134 op amp. And finally, there will be a sliding scale for the price of the 2.0 Module. This is a move to avoid the "my new toy is obsolete" blues. As you might expect, proof of purchase is required if you didn't send in a dated warranty card. If you purchased your Rang in June or July 2000 (or later), then the module will cost $39; May 2000 and you pay $49; April 2000, $59; March 2000, $69. February 2000 and older Rangs will pay $79. V2.0 Module with 2.0 User Manual, $39 - $79 AD1845 Converter, $19 4Mbyte SIMM (memory), $23 2134 Op Amp, $3 Rang Gig Bag, $39 Return shipping (if Rang is sent to us), $9 "So, what do I get for my money?" you ask. Good question. Here's what's in store. * Version 2.0 has 2 independent loops; this is like having 2 original Rangs side by side. There are a couple of modes for transitioning between the loops. One mode, called AB1, smoothly transitions to loop B, plays it once, then goes back to playing loop A, all with one button press. * A higher sample rate has been added; original max was 16KHz, new max rate is 24KHz. While this drops the sample time to 1 minute 27 seconds (with 4Mbytes of memory), the Rang now captures a lot more highs and sounds a lot crisper. * The STACK button can be programmed to be either latching or momentary. * You can go directly from recording to stacking. Press RECORD to start recording, then press STACK to conclude recording, start playback and enter stack mode. * There are 7 selectable decay rates. On the original the decay rate was fixed at about 2.3dB. The new rates are as follows: 1 is no decay, 2 is the original rate (about 20-25 repeats), 3-6 are progressively quicker decays and are great when using the Rang as a pure delay, and 7 is slapback (1 full volume repeat). The new decay rates & latching STACK button make the Rang a great sounding digital delay with tap tempo. The foot roller becomes the delay level when used like this. Each loop, A and B, has its own decay rate. * The RECORD button can be programmed to behave as it does now or be disabled during playback. Some folks didn't want to worry about hitting it while adjusting the foot roller. * The half speed concept has been replaced by slow speed, and you have your choice of five. All are musically related to "normal" speed. The choices are: down a 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th or octave. Playback tempo is slowed similarly to the current software. * This one is small, but an improvement. Originally, if you pressed ONCE, the next press of PLAY(STOP) would stop the loop. Now you can transition between "continuous" play and play once mode. Confusing? Here's what you can do that you couldn't before. Start an existing loop with several stutters or re-starts and then smoothly transition into playing the loop repeatedly. * There are improvements on clicks that occasionally occur at loop boundaries, particularly when using the Rang in continuous reverse mode (live reverse lead playing). * And finally, we extended the button behavior so that it is more consistent. For example, in the original, if you were stacking, the REVERSE button didn't do anything. Now you can be stacking additional parts and freely reverse direction or go into play once mode. All the new features are ADDITIONS. That is, no original features, even the lower sampling rates, have been omitted or replaced. The ONCE button shares duty as the loop A/B button. Either the REVERSE or STACK button is held down to enter one of the two program modes. ======================================== Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Stites" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 1:25 PM Subject: Boomerang Update > Is the Boomerang update shipping? I called Mars Music in Las Vegas and the > sales guy didn't know when or even if they'd be getting any... > > "Won't know until the truck rolls in on Wednesdays." > > When will it be available and where? > > Larry Stites > ZenDrumPercussiveVocalist > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 16:56:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16684; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:54:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:54:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:54:03 -0700 Subject: Re: Boomerang Update From: Larry Stites To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001c01c0088b$f5ace900$53c6c7cf@stevelaptop> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you Larry Stites Golden Gate Networks 1 530 478 7960 > From: "Steve Rudolph" > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:44:37 -0700 > To: > Subject: Re: Boomerang Update > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:46:19 -0400 > > Here is the original email from Mike Nelson at Boomerang Music. The upgrade > is being shipped directly from Texas to existing Boomerang owners upon > order, payment and proof of purchase date. The new units with the upgrade > already installed have yet to reach vendors. > > -Steve > > Hi loopers, plexifists, and Rangsters, > We have not gotten our supply of parts for the new V2 upgrade module to > a > point where we are making "new" Rangs, though our manufacturing problems > have > eased a little and we are shipping again. We are, however, selling the > upgrade > to Rang owners. The price is on a sliding scale depending on how long you've > owned your Rang. The following letter pretty well covers what's up with the > upgrade. > > ============================================= > > Any and all Rangs can be upgraded by replacing the current > microprocessor with the 2.0 Module. Older units have an additional part > > that needs to be changed. If your AD/DA converter is an 1848, you will > have to upgrade it to the newer 1845. The new software will not > recognize > the old converter. In this case, your Rang will have to make a trip > home > to Texas because it takes a special tool to remove this part. > To check this out, remove the 4 front screws & 10 bottom ones; then > place the Rang on its face with the roller to the right and remove the > bottom cover. You'll be looking at the circuit board in all its glory. > The AD/DA converter is made by Analog Devices, is one of the larger > parts > and is the only square one. The part number information is printed on > the > part and reads like AD1845JP. The important piece of info is the 4 > digits. If it says 1848, then it's got to be replaced if you want the > new > software. > Also, some of the early Rangs were sold with 1Mbyte of memory. This > > provided 32 seconds of recording on normal speed and 64 seconds on half > speed. If you have a 1Mbyte Rang, this is a good time to upgrade the > memory to 4Mbytes as the increased sample rate of the new software will > reduce the normal speed record time to 21 seconds. > Until recently Rangs came with 2 x 275 op amps and 1 x 283. They're > > small 8 pin chips that reside in sockets. The objectionable pop, that > can > occur when pressing the thru mute switch, is related to these parts. If > > you've noticed this problem, it can be fixed by replacing one of the > 275's > with a 2134 op amp. > And finally, there will be a sliding scale for the price of the 2.0 > Module. This is a move to avoid the "my new toy is obsolete" blues. As > > you might expect, proof of purchase is required if you didn't send in a > dated warranty card. If you purchased your Rang in June or July 2000 > (or > later), then the module will cost $39; May 2000 and you pay $49; April > 2000, $59; March 2000, $69. February 2000 and older Rangs will pay $79. > > V2.0 Module with 2.0 User Manual, $39 - $79 > AD1845 Converter, $19 > 4Mbyte SIMM (memory), $23 > 2134 Op Amp, $3 > Rang Gig Bag, $39 > Return shipping (if Rang is sent to us), $9 > > > "So, what do I get for my money?" you ask. Good question. Here's > what's > in store. > > * Version 2.0 has 2 independent loops; this is like having 2 original > Rangs side by side. There are a couple of modes for transitioning > between > the loops. One mode, called AB1, smoothly transitions to loop B, plays > it > once, then goes back to playing loop A, all with one button press. > * A higher sample rate has been added; original max was 16KHz, new max > > rate is 24KHz. While this drops the sample time to 1 minute 27 seconds > (with 4Mbytes of memory), the Rang now captures a lot more highs and > sounds a lot crisper. > * The STACK button can be programmed to be either latching or > momentary. > > * You can go directly from recording to stacking. Press RECORD to > start > recording, then press STACK to conclude recording, start playback and > enter stack mode. > * There are 7 selectable decay rates. On the original the decay rate > was > fixed at about 2.3dB. The new rates are as follows: 1 is no decay, 2 is > the original rate (about 20-25 repeats), 3-6 are progressively quicker > decays and are great when using the Rang as a pure delay, and 7 is > slapback (1 full volume repeat). The new decay rates & latching STACK > button make the Rang a great sounding digital delay with tap tempo. The > foot roller becomes the delay level when used like this. Each loop, A > and > B, has its own decay rate. > * The RECORD button can be programmed to behave as it does now or be > disabled during playback. Some folks didn't want to worry about hitting > it > while adjusting the foot roller. > * The half speed concept has been replaced by slow speed, and you have > > your choice of five. All are musically related to "normal" speed. The > choices are: down a 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th or octave. Playback tempo is > slowed > similarly to the current software. > * This one is small, but an improvement. Originally, if you pressed > ONCE, the next press of PLAY(STOP) would stop the loop. Now you can > transition between "continuous" play and play once mode. Confusing? > Here's > what you can do that you couldn't before. Start an existing loop with > several stutters or re-starts and then smoothly transition into playing > the loop repeatedly. > * There are improvements on clicks that occasionally occur at loop > boundaries, particularly when using the Rang in continuous reverse mode > (live reverse lead playing). > * And finally, we extended the button behavior so that it is more > consistent. For example, in the original, if you were stacking, the > REVERSE button didn't do anything. Now you can be stacking additional > parts and freely reverse direction or go into play once mode. > > All the new features are ADDITIONS. That is, no original features, even > the lower sampling rates, have been omitted or replaced. The ONCE button > > shares duty as the loop A/B button. Either the REVERSE or STACK button > is > held down to enter one of the two program modes. > > ======================================== > > Mike Nelson > > Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 > PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA > Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax > > http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com > > "Some products make you sound better; > the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Stites" > To: "Loopers Delight" > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 1:25 PM > Subject: Boomerang Update > > >> Is the Boomerang update shipping? I called Mars Music in Las Vegas and the >> sales guy didn't know when or even if they'd be getting any... >> >> "Won't know until the truck rolls in on Wednesdays." >> >> When will it be available and where? >> >> Larry Stites >> ZenDrumPercussiveVocalist >> >> >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 17:03:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16911; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:01:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:01:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003101c00887$4579c7f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:49:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Sorry, but not sorry (was: Jam Man thanks) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >All right! Another great example of how our community helps each other! > >> The paper i have shows how to put the Jammie into 'diagnostic mode', which >> as i said before, i will fax to you if you need it. >> . . . >> Let me know if i can be of any further assistance! > >Sounds like great information to put on the LD website! (Hint! Hint!) > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com Hello All, I was responding to Simon Henderson to what i thought was his personal email regarding his jamman troubles. Sorry to give it to everyone on the Loopers list...But it seems i might have some information some folks are interested in! I got this from Lexicon when they were still supporting the JamMan. Is that now not true? If you called Lexicon with a JamMan problem, would they even help you? If i remember correctly, i had to go through a couple of techs to get someone to send me this and that was years ago. I have received a couple of emails already requesting to fax this information to them. I can do that, but i will also try to scan and OCR the text. That way I can put it up on the LD site. I am pretty busy at the current time, so i will try to get to it asap, and then i might need a little help on how and where to put it! best regards, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 17:43:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17567; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:41:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:41:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Long DL4 post (was: loop modulation ala eh-16) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:32:24 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, I see. Thanks for the info. Since I don't have the Line6 exp edal,( but I do have a graveyard of volume pedals which I may be able to convert), Is there any chance anyone knows what value pot is in the Line6 pedal, or if it uses a stereo or mono plug? Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com > > IMO, the implemetation of the expression pedal ranges from functional but > mildly aggravating to just plain sucking...especially when playing live. > For example, let's say i have the expression pedal to control the mix in > Looper mode (yes, it works in looper mode!), and i'm playing > live. Now say > i set a loop, and i want to lay some wierd delayed noise over the > top, so i > bend down and bring in the predelay. All is good, and now i > decide to fade > out the loop via the mix with the expression pedal, right? Still good. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 18:03:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18073; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:01:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:01:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Kim Flint To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Sorry, but not sorry (was: Jam Man thanks) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:59:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rich- It would be great if you could scan that, I'm happy to put it up. In fact, Lexicon sent me the entire service manuals and schematics for both the jamman and the vortex to put on Looper's Delight. They are hardcopy, and I've asked several times for people to volunteer to scan them so they can go on the site. No dice so far. One person volunteered, I dropped off the originals with him, and he vanished without a trace shortly after. Fortunately I made copies! If there is some (reliable!) person on the list interested in doing this job, please contact me. (at my home address please, kflint@loopers-delight.com) Please be aware that the manuals are not short, so be prepared for that if you volunteer. kim > -----Original Message----- > From: rich [mailto:rich@nuvision.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 1:49 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Sorry, but not sorry (was: Jam Man thanks) > > > >All right! Another great example of how our community helps > each other! > > > >> The paper i have shows how to put the Jammie into > 'diagnostic mode', which > >> as i said before, i will fax to you if you need it. > >> . . . > >> Let me know if i can be of any further assistance! > > > >Sounds like great information to put on the LD website! > (Hint! Hint!) > > > >Dennis Leas > >----------------------------- > >dennis@mdbs.com > > > Hello All, > > I was responding to Simon Henderson to what i thought was his personal > email regarding his jamman troubles. Sorry to give it to > everyone on the > Loopers list...But it seems i might have some information > some folks are > interested in! > > I got this from Lexicon when they were still supporting the > JamMan. Is > that now not true? If you called Lexicon with a JamMan > problem, would they > even help you? If i remember correctly, i had to go through > a couple of > techs to get someone to send me this and that was years ago. > > I have received a couple of emails already requesting to fax this > information to them. I can do that, but i will also try to > scan and OCR > the text. That way I can put it up on the LD site. I am > pretty busy at > the current time, so i will try to get to it asap, and then i > might need a > little help on how and where to put it! > > best regards, > > rich > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 18:10:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18302; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:07:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:07:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:55:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: Long DL4 post (was: loop modulation ala eh-16) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Ah, I see. Thanks for the info. Since I don't have the Line6 exp >edal,( but I do have a graveyard of volume pedals which I may be able to >convert), Is there any chance anyone knows what value pot is in the Line6 >pedal, or if it uses a stereo or mono plug? As far as i know, a volume pedal with a mono plug should work fine. I was using a Roland EV5 to control it before i got the Line6 model. The Line6 pedal works fine with a mono cable. My suggestion would be to use one of your volume pedals if it works, i think the L6 pedal was $80+, for a plastic piece of junk. It works, but i wouldn't duck if you threw it at me. Now those Ernie Ball pedals are a whole different story... If you need info on the pot, you might snoop around the L6 website (www.line6.com), or email their tech support. rich too much time on the LD list today...got to actually get SOME work done! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 18:14:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18561; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:13:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:13:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:01:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: Sorry, but not sorry (was: Jam Man thanks) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >In fact, Lexicon sent me the entire service manuals and schematics for both >the jamman and the vortex to put on Looper's Delight. Kim, if it's not too much trouble, could you look and see if there is a way to do a 'hard reset' on the JamMan, so we can try to get Simon Henderson up and running with his troublesome JamMan? I think that's the most reasonable place to start, and my pages don't say anything regarding that. best regards, rich ps...Are the JM schematics any better than Bob Sellon's napkin scribblings? (just kidding) :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 19:11:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19566; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:09:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:09:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent: 17 Aug 2000 23:08:02 GMT From: "Greg Ward" To: Subject: FindSounds.com - new Web search engine Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:03:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FindSounds.com is a new Web search engine for finding sound effects and sample sounds on the Web. Check it out at http://www.FindSounds.com Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 19:36:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20028; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:34:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:34:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01c008a4$bad8c100$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: Sorry, but not sorry (was: Jam Man thanks) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:41:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Simon- did you try to search the archives for previous posts on this subject? You might find an answer there- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 3:01 PM Subject: RE: Sorry, but not sorry (was: Jam Man thanks) > > >In fact, Lexicon sent me the entire service manuals and schematics for both > >the jamman and the vortex to put on Looper's Delight. > > Kim, if it's not too much trouble, could you look and see if there is a way > to do a 'hard reset' on the JamMan, so we can try to get Simon Henderson up > and running with his troublesome JamMan? I think that's the most > reasonable place to start, and my pages don't say anything regarding that. > > best regards, > > rich > > ps...Are the JM schematics any better than Bob Sellon's napkin scribblings? > (just kidding) :-) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 20:13:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20793; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:11:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:11:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c008a8$ac034fc0$8ef538cb@swoods> From: "stevenw" To: References: <398EB6A7.C441480E@senet.com.au> Subject: Re: tape echos off topic Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:10:06 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ian there is a small group of people building up on a list http://www.egroups.com search for Echoplex 7 members now there was Dave the list creator and myself at first Echoplex@egroups.com If you find you have no luck getting circuit diagrams I have copies I got from Groove Tubes of EP 1 EP2 EP 3 etc Also you can get further info on the Plex and the Magitec handwired all tube model http://www.magitec.co.uk David Jefferies is the man to talk to. Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: ian To: Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 11:16 PM Subject: tape echos > Is there anyone out there that know of , or is in possession of any > circuit diagrams of any of the valve type echo machines that were in use > in the 60's -70's..ie Dynacord , Echoplex , Binson and so on.. > Thanks > Ian Lyckholm > Adelaide South Australia > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 21:32:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21920; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:30:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:30:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JohnFlem@aol.com Message-ID: <48.9c2114c.26cdeb2b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:28:11 EDT Subject: Re: Distortion Plugin (VST/DX) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: <5CIKNB.A.JVF.NFJn5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 8/17/00 3:18:05 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: << Distortion Plugin (VST/DX) ??>> I am using Steinberg's "Quadrafuzz" (VST) Go to www.steinberg.net for more info...but I like it alot. johnflem@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 17 23:41:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23705; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:39:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:39:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jax1723@aol.com Message-ID: <7d.93c7238.26ce09b9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:38:33 EDT Subject: Re:beyond RDS and PDS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 117 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Seeing how these units have been mentioned lately I figured now is a good time to ask: are there any other units being produced these days that have similar "tweaking" capabilities but are quieter and have a higher sampling rate? I remember seeing an ad for a korg unit that had some giant knob on it for real-time tweaking I think, but I never actually saw/heard the unit. I love what I can do w/ my pds pedal but I find it extremely noisy and gritty. just wondering if there is anything else out there (also w/ a hold function). thanks in advance jack From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 18 00:22:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24348; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:20:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:20:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Long DL4 post (was: loop modulation ala eh-16) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:19:24 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <68hPZC.A.o7F.qlLn5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I did try this with an Ernie Ball pedal and a mono plug (into either input or output)- no dice, not even an insert cable would work (diferent combo's of inputs/outputs). What did work was a TRS cable into a cheap plastic volume pedal (it only has 1 jack, and usually uses a stereo cable). It worked, but only in the first 25% of the pedal's travel. I agree the Line6 pedal is certainly overpriced, and I am willing to live with this (or modify the pedal) so I can spend the $80 on something better. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > As far as i know, a volume pedal with a mono plug should work fine. I was > using a Roland EV5 to control it before i got the Line6 model. The Line6 > pedal works fine with a mono cable. My suggestion would be to use one of > your volume pedals if it works, i think the L6 pedal was $80+, for a > plastic piece of junk. It works, but i wouldn't duck if you threw it at > me. Now those Ernie Ball pedals are a whole different story... > > If you need info on the pot, you might snoop around the L6 website > (www.line6.com), or email their tech support. > > rich > > too much time on the LD list today...got to actually get SOME work done! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 18 00:26:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24511; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:24:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:24:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:04:48 -0400 (EDT) From: noah To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Distortion Plugin (VST/DX) In-Reply-To: <48.9c2114c.26cdeb2b@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > In a message dated 8/17/00 3:18:05 PM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > > << Distortion Plugin (VST/DX) ??>> > I am using Steinberg's "Quadrafuzz" (VST) Go to www.steinberg.net for more > info...but I like it alot. > johnflem@aol.com I second this endorsement. I'll go a step further and strongly suggest you build one from kit at www.paia.com. It's possibly the most flexible, musical, dynamic distortion I've ever laid ears on. -><- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 18 02:05:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25778; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 02:04:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 02:04:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Brian Mulvey" To: Subject: Re: Re:beyond RDS and PDS Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:27:08 -0400 Message-ID: <01c008d4$f3e90ec0$638b1a26@brian-s-compute> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kaoss pad perhaps? not really a knob.. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 18 02:38:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26154; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 02:36:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 02:36:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <029501c008de$da15d640$7dc2d6d1@oemcomputer> From: "X-ray" To: Subject: Re: Long DL4 post (was: loop modulation ala eh-16) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:37:48 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Who's selling the Line 6 exp pedal for $80??!!! You ought to be able to pick up the Line6 pedal for no more than $60. A little less if you really look. Are there really stores out there getting $80 for it?? That's about the price of an Ernie Ball or Boss FV300 pedal. >I agree the Line6 >pedal is certainly overpriced, and I am willing to live with this (or modify >the pedal) so I can spend the $80 on something better. > >Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices >http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 18 03:11:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26666; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 03:09:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 03:09:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <399CE0AD.4515FCB2@gi.intercom.es> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:07:25 +0200 From: samuel C X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "akai@sonicware.com" , "logic-users@egroups.com" , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Converting SBK to AKAI format MULTI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Return-Path: samu@gi.intercom.es X-MDRcpt-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-MDRemoteIP: 10.0.0.253 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there. sorry. I think this topic has been discused before... Anyone using some kind of application to convert Akai multis (with programs and samples) to Creative/EMU SBK/SF2 format?? I'd like mainly keygroup support Thanks in advance _sam_ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 18 04:31:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27523; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:29:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:29:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003c01c008ee$48b78800$1d358218@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: <399CE0AD.4515FCB2@gi.intercom.es> Subject: Re: Converting SBK to AKAI format MULTI Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:28:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <3Xw0BD.A.ctG.rOPn5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Awave is the software to use I think- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "samuel C" To: ; ; Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 12:07 AM Subject: Converting SBK to AKAI format MULTI > Hi there. > sorry. I think this topic has been discused before... > > > Anyone using some kind of application to convert Akai multis (with > programs and samples) to Creative/EMU SBK/SF2 format?? > > I'd like mainly keygroup support > > > Thanks in advance > > _sam_ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 18 05:05:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA27910; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:03:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:03:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Long DL4 post (was: loop modulation ala eh-16) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:56:32 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <029501c008de$da15d640$7dc2d6d1@oemcomputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, actually, I wasn't sure how much it is, but I do know Ernie Ball pedals start at around $90. Still, even $60 is too much for a Line6 pedal, especially if I have a herd of volume pedals that I may be able to modify to do the same thing. Considering there is not much to a passive volume pedal anyway, the right value pot (or cap) might make an old pedal I have useful again. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com > -----Original Message----- > From: X-ray [mailto:ew37@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 2:38 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Long DL4 post (was: loop modulation ala eh-16) > > > Who's selling the Line 6 exp pedal for $80??!!! You ought to be able to > pick up the Line6 pedal for no more than $60. A little less if you really > look. Are there really stores out there getting $80 for it?? That's about > the price of an Ernie Ball or Boss FV300 pedal. > > >I agree the Line6 > >pedal is certainly overpriced, and I am willing to live with this (or > modify > >the pedal) so I can spend the $80 on something better. > > > >Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices > >http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 18 05:25:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA28169; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:23:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:23:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Long DL4 post (was: loop modulation ala eh-16) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:15:58 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >From the Line6 site: "The Line6 expression pedal is a passive 10K ohm mono linear taper pot, using a 1/4 inch mono connector." Time to get the soldering iron out... Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 18 09:20:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30341; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:17:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:17:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.172.208.58] Reply-To: robdunl@idir.net From: "Robert Dunlap" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:beyond RDS and PDS Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:16:34 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2000 13:16:34.0598 (UTC) FILETIME=[883CA460:01C00916] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Korg's Kaoss PAD...no knob, but hold/record function. >From: Jax1723@aol.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re:beyond RDS and PDS >Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:38:33 EDT > >Seeing how these units have been mentioned lately I figured now is a good >time to ask: are there any other units being produced these days that have >similar "tweaking" capabilities but are quieter and have a higher sampling >rate? I remember seeing an ad for a korg unit that had some giant knob on >it >for real-time tweaking I think, but I never actually saw/heard the unit. I >love what I can do w/ my pds pedal but I find it extremely noisy and >gritty. >just wondering if there is anything else out there (also w/ a hold >function). >thanks in advance >jack > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 18 11:13:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31751; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:11:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:11:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <029501c008de$da15d640$7dc2d6d1@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:59:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Long DL4 post (was: loop modulation ala eh-16) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Who's selling the Line 6 exp pedal for $80??!! Line6 from their website!!! So much for saving by buying direct. Took about 6 weeks to get it too... The reason i bought it is that i use the reverse delay as one of my presets, and the expression pedal would sweep the mix from 100% clean to 100% reverse delay (a nice effect). When i did it manually without the pedal, the 100% reverse would have absolutely no original signal, just all reverse. As soon as i tried to use the pedal, you could still hear a tiny bit of the original signal. Not much, but a little. I thought it was my EV5...So i splurged and bought the Line6 pedal (too lazy to go shopping for a better price, i guess). However, the Line6 pedal does it too. Like i said, the exp. pedal implementation definitely could use some work. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 18 13:22:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01225; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:19:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:19:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007e01c00938$c16c6960$6e55ac3e@HendersonTesco.net> From: "Simon Henderson" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: More on JamMan problems Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:21:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My JamMan problem seems to have opened-up a small can of worms! Many thanks to those who have responded, and to Rich for his kind offer to fax some help. I emailed Lexicon, who do appear to offer support for legacy products (they have a query submission form on their website, together with a list of the units still supported - including the JamMan. See http://www.lexicon.com/support/homeframe.htm). I had a useful mail back from Greg Hogan in Lexicon Customer Service who suggested that the problem might be with the Mode Knob itself - he also put me in contact with the UK main Lexicon dealer. I did initially try the archive to see if I could find any information, but was unsuccessful. Of course, I was searching for the problem, whilst the messages tend to discuss solutions! With the suggestions I've received, a subsequent search for 'jamman diagnostic' and 'mode knob' has thrown-up some more useful information. I can only concur with Dennis Leas' comments regarding the helpfulness of this 'community'. Simon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 18 14:02:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01853; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:00:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:00:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:54:13 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Performance with Computers/DJ-ing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <067101c0093d$51e96840$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow. footmouse they should make a trousermouse... a new dimension in control. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Pask" To: Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 11:41 AM Subject: Re: Performance with Computers/DJ-ing > > > > > "foot operated mouse"!!??!?? I LIKE it! Supplier? Details? URL? > > You'll never guess.... > > http://www.footmouse.com/ > > > > Sounds like cool stuff! Is the Doppler effect in stereo? Any recordings? > > Even > > a "mic on a pole in the middle of the room" live recording? > > > > Unfortunately the rest of the band is in Hong Kong at the moment.(Me mostly > in LA) They'll be here in November I think for some gigs, I'll post the > details/recording URLs. > > The Doppler effect is cool.I actually have it for a four speaker > spatialisation setup, but it works fine in stereo too.I control it from a > window which I draw all over to simulate my position and velocity relative > to the room.I have also built a 2 dimensional random walk into it so that it > just goes all over the place changing pitch and adding/losing reverb. > > Cheers > > Andrew > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 18 14:56:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02856; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:54:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:54:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [148.233.251.237] From: "Alejandro Martínez" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Long DL4 post (was: loop modulation ala eh-16) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:53:08 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2000 18:53:08.0997 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D096350:01C00945] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I´ve been using in my DL4 a Boss FV50L that I got for US$20 and I just need to connect a mono cable from the output of the pedal to the expression input of the DL4 and it works fine. >From: "future perfect" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: RE: Long DL4 post (was: loop modulation ala eh-16) >Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:15:58 -0400 > >From the Line6 site: >"The Line6 expression pedal is a passive 10K ohm mono linear taper pot, >using a 1/4 inch mono connector." > >Time to get the soldering iron out... > >Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices >http://www.hazardfactor.com > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 18 15:06:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03298; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:04:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:04:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Long DL4 post (was: loop modulation ala eh-16) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:03:03 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-9SYM.A.hy.hhYn5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do you happen to know the value of the pot in your FV50L? Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Hi, I´ve been using in my DL4 a Boss FV50L that I got for US$20 > and I just > need to connect a mono cable from the output of the pedal to the > expression > input of the DL4 and it works fine. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 18 15:33:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03794; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:31:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:31:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Long DL4 post (response from Line6) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:29:10 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From Line6, regarding the effect of the expression pedal in Loop/Delay mode (on the DL4): "The expression pedal works the same way in the Loop Sampler mode as it does in the regular delay mode. You can set the toe-down position of the pedal to one setting of the knobs (excluding the model selector knob) and the heel-down position to another setting. For example you could have the toe-down position set for the loop mix (mix knob) at maximum, the delay level (tweez) at medium, the delay modulation (tweak)at minimum, the delay repeats at half-way, and the delay time set fast (say 3 o'clock). You could then put the pedal in the heel-down position and set the knobs for the loop level at minimum, the delay level at maximum, the modulation at minimum, the repeats at minimum and the delay time long (say 9 o'clock). Now when your playing (and the play/stop button is switched on), putting the pedal in the toe down position will give you the loop at full volume, pre-loop delay that is of medium volume volume with no modulation and a fast time. When you switch to heel-down, you'd get no loop (even with the play/stop button swithced on)with a long single delay that is very loud. The loop sampler can either play the loop indefinitely (until you hit the stop button)or play it one time only then stop (Button C). It will not trail off on it's own. You would have to use the expression pedal to ride it's level." I guess this answered my questions. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com > > As far as i know, a volume pedal with a mono plug should work fine. I was > using a Roland EV5 to control it before i got the Line6 model. The Line6 > pedal works fine with a mono cable. My suggestion would be to use one of > your volume pedals if it works, i think the L6 pedal was $80+, for a > plastic piece of junk. It works, but i wouldn't duck if you threw it at > me. Now those Ernie Ball pedals are a whole different story... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 18 15:39:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04026; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:38:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:38:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <399D9118.9ABD385B@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:40:39 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Performance with Computers/DJ-ing References: <067101c0093d$51e96840$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jim palmer wrote: > wow. footmouse > they should make a trousermouse... > > a new dimension in control. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Pask" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 11:41 AM > Subject: Re: Performance with Computers/DJ-ing > > > > > > > > > > "foot operated mouse"!!??!?? I LIKE it! Supplier? Details? URL? > > > > You'll never guess.... > > > > http://www.footmouse.com/ > > > ... hey, i couldn't get this url to fly. anyone? lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 18 17:32:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06223; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:30:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:30:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [148.233.248.198] From: "Alejandro Martínez" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Long DL4 post (was: loop modulation ala eh-16) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:29:14 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2000 21:29:14.0958 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B959EE0:01C0095B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, the value of the pot in the FV50L is 20k, I guess it´s linear type ´cause it has an even transition from one point to the other and I´ve used it too on my Lexicon Vortex and it also has a great performance on it, by the way how do you read with an Ohm-meter if it´s linear or logaritmic?. Alex. >From: "future perfect" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: RE: Long DL4 post (was: loop modulation ala eh-16) >Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:03:03 -0400 > >Do you happen to know the value of the pot in your FV50L? > >Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices >http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > Hi, I´ve been using in my DL4 a Boss FV50L that I got for US$20 > > and I just > > need to connect a mono cable from the output of the pedal to the > > expression > > input of the DL4 and it works fine. > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 18 18:59:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07281; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:56:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:56:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Performance with Computers/DJ-ing Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:59:32 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <067101c0093d$51e96840$080210ac@jpalmer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know. Have you ever had of performance anxiety? bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. -----Original Message----- From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 10:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Performance with Computers/DJ-ing wow. footmouse they should make a trousermouse... a new dimension in control. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Pask" To: Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 11:41 AM Subject: Re: Performance with Computers/DJ-ing > > > > > "foot operated mouse"!!??!?? I LIKE it! Supplier? Details? URL? > > You'll never guess.... > > http://www.footmouse.com/ > > > > Sounds like cool stuff! Is the Doppler effect in stereo? Any recordings? > > Even > > a "mic on a pole in the middle of the room" live recording? > > > > Unfortunately the rest of the band is in Hong Kong at the moment.(Me mostly > in LA) They'll be here in November I think for some gigs, I'll post the > details/recording URLs. > > The Doppler effect is cool.I actually have it for a four speaker > spatialisation setup, but it works fine in stereo too.I control it from a > window which I draw all over to simulate my position and velocity relative > to the room.I have also built a 2 dimensional random walk into it so that it > just goes all over the place changing pitch and adding/losing reverb. > > Cheers > > Andrew > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 18 19:47:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08138; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:45:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:45:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:44:43 EDT Subject: Re: OT: some torn concerts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wish I could check it out! Good luck. The BLUE Blue Nights live double cd is great!! Looking forward to your Splatter Trio cd! Sincerely, (Stranded in a Texas cultural vacuum\see Lynrd Skynurd) James H. Sidlo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 18 20:21:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08647; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:19:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:19:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: languishing in suburbia Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:22:14 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Argh! All work and no play. Is there anyone in the Palo Alto area that wants to jam sometime soon? It's been so long, I'm about to collapse with tone death. I'd really like to set up a local, once a week jam session, but I'd be happy to just come over to someones house an noodle for an hour or three. OF course, I'd like to play every day, but with my current work schedule, even once a week may become a stretch :< Let us know, bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 18 20:23:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08726; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:21:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:21:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005701c00973$96df9ce0$370c1b18@austin.rr.com> From: "Kevin Thomas" To: References: Subject: Re: Long DL4 post (was: loop modulation ala eh-16) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:22:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How to tell it's linear or log? At the midpoint of the pot, if it reads halfway its linear, if it reads drastically low or high, it's log. drfuzz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alejandro Martínez" To: Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 4:29 PM Subject: RE: Long DL4 post (was: loop modulation ala eh-16) > Hi, the value of the pot in the FV50L is 20k, I guess it´s linear type > ´cause it has an even transition from one point to the other and I´ve used > it too on my Lexicon Vortex and it also has a great performance on it, by > the way how do you read with an Ohm-meter if it´s linear or logaritmic?. > Alex. > > > > >From: "future perfect" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: > >Subject: RE: Long DL4 post (was: loop modulation ala eh-16) > >Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:03:03 -0400 > > > >Do you happen to know the value of the pot in your FV50L? > > > >Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices > >http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, I´ve been using in my DL4 a Boss FV50L that I got for US$20 > > > and I just > > > need to connect a mono cable from the output of the pedal to the > > > expression > > > input of the DL4 and it works fine. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 18 20:55:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09344; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:53:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:53:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.71] From: "g716" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Looping in the news at Harmony Central Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:53:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2000 00:53:35.0768 (UTC) FILETIME=[E798C180:01C00977] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: http://www.harmony-central.com/Reviews/PhraseSamplers/ By now, it's nothing new. Loop-based music -- or at least loop-assisted music -- is everywhere, transcending all musical genres. Loops dominate the pop charts, backing the scores to hit movies, and -- especially -- popping the eardrums of boogying club-goers. Loops are a favored tool for remixer/DJ/producers, and I'm told that turntables now outsell guitars. Though that may be because people buy them two at a time, the point remains that the art of looping is more than a passing trend. And manufacturers have acknowledged as much by offering low-cost machines designed for anyone -- from the guitarist who wants to practice or write along with a nice two-bar rhythm, to the DJ who's looking to go beyond two turntables and a microphone. What's the LD subscription list up to now? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 19 06:56:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14362; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 06:54:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 06:54:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c009cb$d0ad4000$9983abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: "Loop" Subject: H.D. recording software for Pc (loop oriented) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:35:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C009D1.8569EB60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C009D1.8569EB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I am about to set up my Pc for H.D. recording. I have followed many discussion about this argument but they all were = about Macs. Before taking any decision I would like to read "LD oracle's" = suggestions. Here is what I have: Pc with 20 Gb Hard disk: 5 for programs and 15 for files Sound Blaster audio card. 128 Mb Ram Here is what I need A recording s.w. mainly for audio (I'm not working with midi files but = for effects parameters), 2 inputs may be ok, at the moment I don't want to have to add a hardware mixer, I would like to have the chance to work deeply with loops ( that's sure = !). Solutions: Acid (is it a plug in or can be a recording software in itself ?) Logic Audio, Cubase...? Do you have any comment on using the input a/d converters of the Sound = Blaster card ? So, once again, thanks for any contribution. Luca ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C009D1.8569EB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
I am about to set up my Pc for H.D.=20 recording.
I have followed many discussion about = this argument=20 but they all were about Macs.
Before taking any decision I would like = to read "LD=20 oracle's" suggestions.
 
Here is what I = have:
Pc with 20 Gb Hard disk: 5 for programs = and 15 for=20 files
Sound Blaster audio card.
128 Mb Ram
Here is what I = need
A recording s.w. mainly for audio (I'm = not working=20 with midi files but for effects parameters),
2 inputs may be ok,
at the moment I don't want to have to = add a=20 hardware mixer,
I would like to have the chance to work = deeply with=20 loops ( that's sure !).
 
Solutions:
Acid (is it a plug in or can be a = recording=20 software in itself ?)
Logic Audio, Cubase...?
 
Do you have any comment on using the = input a/d=20 converters of the Sound Blaster card ?
 
So, once again, thanks for any=20 contribution.
 
Luca
------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C009D1.8569EB60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 19 09:06:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15057; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:03:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:03:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c009dd$f85c6100$7e3e5d18@austin.rr.com> From: "Kevin Thomas" To: References: <000201c009cb$d0ad4000$9983abd4@a6d4z2> Subject: Re: H.D. recording software for Pc (loop oriented) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 08:04:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C009B4.0F3B9460" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C009B4.0F3B9460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First a question - which Sound Blaster are we talking about? The SB64 = is not bad, and the SBLive can do a decent job, but a SB16 or 32 is not = gonna be very good. Also, the SB64 cannot record and playback at the = same time ("full duplex") so that can be a problem. First suggestion - think about getting a separate HD for just the = recording files - it's a lot easier on the system if the programs are on = one HD and the sound files are on another. As for a program, if you want to start "low-end" I would recommend = something like Cubasis VST or Cakewalk Home Studio. Acid can record, = but is missing a lot of features that the true recording programs have. = It is worth getting in it's own right, though. You will probably need some sort of preamp to get your signlas up to the = right level to record decently, at least if you are playing guitar. I'm sure others will have more to add. drfuzz ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Luca=20 To: Loop=20 Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 4:35 AM Subject: H.D. recording software for Pc (loop oriented) Hi, I am about to set up my Pc for H.D. recording. I have followed many discussion about this argument but they all were = about Macs. Before taking any decision I would like to read "LD oracle's" = suggestions. Here is what I have: Pc with 20 Gb Hard disk: 5 for programs and 15 for files Sound Blaster audio card. 128 Mb Ram Here is what I need A recording s.w. mainly for audio (I'm not working with midi files but = for effects parameters), 2 inputs may be ok, at the moment I don't want to have to add a hardware mixer, I would like to have the chance to work deeply with loops ( that's = sure !). Solutions: Acid (is it a plug in or can be a recording software in itself ?) Logic Audio, Cubase...? Do you have any comment on using the input a/d converters of the Sound = Blaster card ? So, once again, thanks for any contribution. Luca ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C009B4.0F3B9460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
First a question - which Sound Blaster are we = talking=20 about?    The SB64 is not bad, and the SBLive can do a = decent=20 job, but a SB16 or 32 is not gonna be very good.  Also, the SB64 = cannot=20 record and playback at the same time ("full duplex") so that can be a=20 problem.
 
First suggestion - think about getting a separate HD = for just=20 the recording files - it's a lot easier on the system if the programs = are on one=20 HD and the sound files are on another.
 
As for a program, if you want to start "low-end" I = would=20 recommend something like Cubasis VST or Cakewalk Home Studio.  Acid = can=20 record, but is missing a lot of features that the true recording = programs=20 have.  It is worth getting in it's own right, though.
 
You will probably need some sort of preamp to get = your signlas=20 up to the right level to record decently, at least if you are playing=20 guitar.
 
I'm sure others will have more to add.
 
drfuzz
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Luca =
To: Loop
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 = 4:35=20 AM
Subject: H.D. recording = software for Pc=20 (loop oriented)

Hi,
I am about to set up my Pc for H.D.=20 recording.
I have followed many discussion about = this=20 argument but they all were about Macs.
Before taking any decision I would = like to read=20 "LD oracle's" suggestions.
 
Here is what I=20 have:
Pc with 20 Gb Hard disk: 5 for = programs and 15=20 for files
Sound Blaster audio = card.
128 Mb Ram
Here is what I = need
A recording s.w. mainly for audio = (I'm not=20 working with midi files but for effects parameters),
2 inputs may be ok,
at the moment I don't want to have to = add a=20 hardware mixer,
I would like to have the chance to = work deeply=20 with loops ( that's sure !).
 
Solutions:
Acid (is it a plug in or can be a = recording=20 software in itself ?)
Logic Audio, Cubase...?
 
Do you have any comment on using the = input a/d=20 converters of the Sound Blaster card ?
 
So, once again, thanks for any=20 contribution.
 
Luca
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C009B4.0F3B9460-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 19 12:52:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17004; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:50:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:50:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:49:09 EDT Subject: Fwd: Foot Control for Repeater! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_bd.64adaf5.26d01485_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_bd.64adaf5.26d01485_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI... --part1_bd.64adaf5.26d01485_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yh05.mx.aol.com (rly-yh05.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.37]) by air-yh04.mail.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 17:04:58 -0400 Received: from ivlmail.MRP (mail.ivl.com [207.194.134.114]) by rly-yh05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 17:04:35 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.181] (192.168.2.181 [192.168.2.181]) by ivlmail.MRP with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id PJ5AZTZ7; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:04:25 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 14:04:00 -0600 Subject: Re: Foot Control for Repeater! From: support To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <31.8405b91.26b58cd5@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Unknown on 7/30/00 7:51 AM, Dpcoffin@aol.com at Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: > Dear Electrix > Being a total slave to fx processors, I've watched your products with much > interest...but also frustration, since, as a guitar player, to me FOOT > CONTROL is ESSENTIAL! > Now that you've REALLY gotten my interest with REPEATER, I'm writing to > EXHORT you to empower MIDI foot control of all functions!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > ESPECIALLY, this device MUST be able to record, playback and loop without > hands on! > Autolooping is crucial!!! (like a delay line...) > There's more to your market than DJ's and post-processing remixers!!!!! > Thankyou..... > Yours if it's foot-controllable and real-time, > David Coffin David, you will be glad to know that Repeater is totally foot controllable and Real Time. I spent many an hour reading through the Looper's Delight archives before penning the product specification. And while it does not do all the esoteric things ambient looper's want, Repeater will make a lot of people smile. Hopefully yourself included. Stay tuned to the Web for more information. We are involved in Looper's Delight discussions. Best Regards, Darrell Smith Darrell Smith =80 Director of Technical Support =80 Electrix =80 The Future of Remix =80 6710 Bertram Place =80 Victoria =80 BC =80 Canada =80 V8M 1Z6 Tel (250)544-4164 =80 Fax (250) 544-4100 =80 email support@electrixpro.com www.electrixpro.com Electrix is a div of IVL Technologies --part1_bd.64adaf5.26d01485_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 19 18:24:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20119; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 18:21:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 18:21:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [166.90.34.60] From: "K. G. Dick" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ACID 2.0 (not Pro) Is "Free" w/rebate right now. Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 22:20:09 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2000 22:20:09.0853 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2DB5AD0:01C00A2B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com lucafeed@tin.it wrote: >Acid (is it a plug in or can be a recording software in itself ?) Heads up Luca an' e'rybody, Acid 2.0 (not Acid Pro) is "free" w/rebate right now. Got mine at Guitar Center. Of course in civilized countries, rebate scams are illegal (as would be many American ads and "business practices"), but hey, if you whip that redemption coupon right out in time, you will probably get the money back within three months or so. They are counting on you letting it slip by, so send that suckah right off! :o ) I've not gotten my rebate back yet (hell, I just bought Acid yestiddy), so I will post back if I get it (but don't wait, it'll be too late). Yes, as you can tell I've had mixed results with "rebate centers," but I've always gotten mah money. Basically you call 'em and do the ol' speak to the manager's manager thing. Use that super-polite-"I'm-right-on-the-edge-here"-thin-veneer-masking-a-screaming-demon voice an' you'll do just fine. LOL (Note: do not break out the screaming demon schtick. Well... user discretion advised) Naw, I'm probably scarin' y'all. And yeah, I'm soap-boxing about corporatism. Sorry. But hell, just thought I'd let y'all know about the freebie. Also, they're doin' the same thing with the Sound Forge (same folks) XP product. So, why the hell not, unless you already have the the full-boat $450(?) version? Best, K. G. Dick "Be Excellent To Each Other." -Bill & Ted. PS: Please note the editing-for-minimal-reference of the original post. I mean, you guys. Bandwidth. All those One or two sentence responses followed by four screens of accumulating thread. ...No, mebbe yer right. the 5 or 6 mouse/keyboard clicks to clean it up is just TOO00 much. LOL Jeezus! I'm an opinionated bastard, aren't I? LOL. Sorry! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 19 20:52:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21359; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 20:50:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 20:50:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <399F2B9D.41CA410B@minds-eye.org> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 20:51:41 -0400 From: Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loop Subject: whoa is me Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've lost all my bookmarks in transferring computers, alas. Does anyone know the URL (or name of the product) for a fantastic controller unit that had all kind of motions sensors and other such things (may have run with MAX) I thin it was called the I-Cube or something like that? I know I'm being vague here, but it seemed a very powerful system for controlling the light/sound environment through a variety of sensors and such. Any help is greatly appreciated. Actually, while I'm at it, if anyone has any info on any other environmental control systems (voice recognition, motion sensors, temperature responsive tone generators, etc.) I would be very grateful. Thanks for any tips Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 19 20:57:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21571; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 20:55:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 20:55:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.0.0.13.2.20000819195142.02125ed0@mail.redmoon-music.com> X-Sender: redmoon@mail.redmoon-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.0.13 (Beta) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 19:52:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: Re: whoa is me In-Reply-To: <399F2B9D.41CA410B@minds-eye.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kevin (07:51 PM 08.19.2000) wrote: >Does anyone know the URL (or name of the product) for a fantastic >controller unit that had all kind of motions sensors and other >such things (may have run with MAX) I thin it was called the >I-Cube or something like that? The I-Cube it is! http://www.infusionsystems.com/ Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 19 21:12:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21888; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 21:10:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 21:10:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [169.197.33.115] From: "Dan Howarth" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ACID 2.0 (not Pro) Is "Free" w/rebate right now. Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 18:10:25 MST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2000 01:10:25.0622 (UTC) FILETIME=[6BEDFF60:01C00A43] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Acid 2.0 (not Acid Pro) is "free" w/rebate right now. Got mine at Also, >they're doin' the same thing with the Sound Forge (same folks) these two have been floating around on hotline for years ... http://www.bigredh.com will get you ware. oh oh there goes another napster-internet-scandal; see:corporate american loses copyright money we didn't want them to have. just keep it quiet maybe they won't hear us talking like this. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 19 21:19:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22094; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 21:18:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 21:18:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 18:14:02 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: whoa is me In-reply-to: <399F2B9D.41CA410B@minds-eye.org> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, loop Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <74dSh.A.gYF.0Gzn5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:51 PM -0700 8/19/00, Kevin wrote: >Actually, while I'm at it, if anyone has any info on any other >environmental control systems (voice recognition, motion sensors, >temperature responsive tone generators, etc.) I would be very >grateful. check this month's Electronic Musician. there's a long article on that subject, covering a large number of different alternate controllers. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 19 21:24:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22312; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 21:22:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 21:22:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 18:18:04 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: More on JamMan problems In-reply-to: <007e01c00938$c16c6960$6e55ac3e@HendersonTesco.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <8vCnYD.A.IcF.oKzn5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:21 AM -0700 8/18/00, Simon Henderson wrote: >My JamMan problem seems to have opened-up a small can of worms! Many thanks >to those who have responded, and to Rich for his kind offer to fax some >help. > >I emailed Lexicon, who do appear to offer support for legacy products (they >have a query submission form on their website, together with a list of the >units still supported - including the JamMan. See >http://www.lexicon.com/support/homeframe.htm). I had a useful mail back >from Greg Hogan in Lexicon Customer Service who suggested that the problem >might be with the Mode Knob itself - he also put me in contact with the UK >main Lexicon dealer. Hi Simon- I think we've had discussion in the past here about the rotary encoder knob on the jamman wearing out over time. I guess it is quite common, and that sounds like your problem to me. Follow Greg's advice and get the knob replaced. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 19 21:35:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22575; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 21:33:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 21:33:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 18:30:55 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Sorry, but not sorry (was: Jam Man thanks) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:01 PM -0700 8/17/00, rich wrote: >>In fact, Lexicon sent me the entire service manuals and schematics for both >>the jamman and the vortex to put on Looper's Delight. > >Kim, if it's not too much trouble, could you look and see if there is a way >to do a 'hard reset' on the JamMan, so we can try to get Simon Henderson up >and running with his troublesome JamMan? I think that's the most >reasonable place to start, and my pages don't say anything regarding that. There isn't one. Since the Jamman does not have any non-volatile memory, there is nothing to reset. A "hard reset" is real simple: turn the power off and back on. >ps...Are the JM schematics any better than Bob Sellon's napkin scribblings? >(just kidding) :-) yes, they are real Lexicon schematics. Got a volunteer this time (thanks Steve!), hopefully they will be online soon. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 20 01:03:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24458; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 01:00:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 01:00:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c00a63$6d951220$8d9cd8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: EDPs on eBay Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 21:59:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <5a59lB.A.g9F.wW2n5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey people--not to promote this "toy" excessively but it seems there are currently THREE Echoplexes available on eBay. Why buy an Orville? Scoop these up and you'll never leave your basement! Gary PS Johnathan El-Bizri, are you using the Starr Labs controller? G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 20 06:07:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA27906; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 06:05:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 06:05:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008c01c00a8e$1b0dd8e0$8cd89b3e@0006303921043200861239070001> Reply-To: "Luis Angulo" From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: Subject: Re: ACID 2.0 (not Pro) Is "Free" w/rebate right now. Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 11:21:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I Don´t quite get it with Acid maybe i should play with it morebut i find it a bit limiting.IMHO Cool edit pro is much better in terms of editability Cheers! Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 20 06:57:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28243; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 06:54:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 06:54:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jprice01@aol.com Message-ID: <11.82911c5.26d112a7@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 06:53:27 EDT Subject: Re: ACID 2.0 (not Pro) Is "Free" w/rebate right now. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It all comes down to the type of music you make and your preference of tools in terms of how you work best. but if u are comparing acid ( not pro ) to cool edit pro there is a world of difference in terms of features. but the differences between acid and cool edit pro become significant in areas where u consider how u work and what u play... Anybody can get miles outta acid...but i think the DJ remixing danceheads will probably find acid more in line with their groove and more precisely geared toward their specific gig. ACID is perfect for dance music and an ok tool for textural loops. acid is a tool to ya use when the wav forms you are dealing with are already edited and ready loaded/tweaked. ACIS is good at automatically looping beats and various phrases instantly and intuiively with no need to really think/ponder or calculate stuff. with acid you can throw anything in the mix and instantly see how well it plays, speed it up, slow it down, etc. Acid can really match and change bpms-tempo really well on the fly & its all very very simple. Cool edit pro is more of a multi track recorder that almost does everything except MIDI. & cool edit is very simple and straightforward. Acid Pro which i have and use does midi ( tho ive never used its midi features ) and records fully duplexed multi tracked audio but has no wave editor built into it. the people who make acid, sonic foundry also make sound forge 4.5 a great wave editor that does everything cool edit can do without the multitrack capability. Sonic foundry also makes vegas which does everything cool edit pro does and a lot more cuz Vegas is designed to be a video editor and IMHO a memory hog. But if acid is being given out free thru a rebate, that is a great & very affordable tool for someone looking to do loops and PC based mixing or remixing of their loops regardless as to whther or not they groove or drone. Warm Regards, JP/AKASH 215.592.9963 p "Remember to Always Kill your Expectations". Ck AKASH out on the web for new pics, INFO & LINKS TO AKASH's music streamed in RA: http://hometown.aol.com/akashmusic/myhomepage/personal.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 20 12:25:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30372; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:23:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:23:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c00ac1$69a28b80$336202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: H.D. recording software for Pc (loop oriented) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 18:06:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C00AD1.6B95DCC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C00AD1.6B95DCC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, are you going to use midi? greetings, gregor recording software for Pc (loop oriented) =20 =20 Hi, I am about to set up my Pc for H.D. recording. I have followed many discussion about this argument but they all = were about Macs. Before taking any decision I would like to read "LD oracle's" = suggestions. =20 Here is what I have: Pc with 20 Gb Hard disk: 5 for programs and 15 for files Sound Blaster audio card. 128 Mb Ram Here is what I need A recording s.w. mainly for audio (I'm not working with midi files = but for effects parameters), 2 inputs may be ok, at the moment I don't want to have to add a hardware mixer, I would like to have the chance to work deeply with loops ( that's = sure !). =20 Solutions: Acid (is it a plug in or can be a recording software in itself ?) Logic Audio, Cubase...? =20 Do you have any comment on using the input a/d converters of the = Sound Blaster card ? =20 So, once again, thanks for any contribution. =20 Luca ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C00AD1.6B95DCC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey,
 
are you going to use midi?
 
greetings,
 
gregor
recording software for Pc (loop=20 oriented)

Hi,
I am about to set up my Pc for H.D. = recording.
I have followed many discussion = about this=20 argument but they all were about Macs.
Before taking any decision I would = like to read=20 "LD oracle's" suggestions.
 
Here is what I=20 have:
Pc with 20 Gb Hard disk: 5 for = programs and 15=20 for files
Sound Blaster audio = card.
128 Mb Ram
Here is what I=20 need
A recording s.w. mainly for audio = (I'm not=20 working with midi files but for effects parameters),
2 inputs may be ok,
at the moment I don't want to have = to add a=20 hardware mixer,
I would like to have the chance to = work deeply=20 with loops ( that's sure !).
 
Solutions:
Acid (is it a plug in or can be a = recording=20 software in itself ?)
Logic Audio, = Cubase...?
 
Do you have any comment on using = the input a/d=20 converters of the Sound Blaster card ?
 
So, once again, thanks for any=20 contribution.
 
Luca
------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C00AD1.6B95DCC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 20 12:48:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30710; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:46:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:46:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: irwell.zetnet.co.uk: Host man-a073.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.73] claimed to be bigboy Message-ID: <048b01c00ac6$6cc005e0$8c2cf7c2@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <200008161332.JAA26239@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: some torn concerts Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:45:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > plane @ knitting factory LA, 10/10 & 10/11 > meshell ndegeocello/bass, samples, etc > will calhoun/drungs & electro-thingies > david torn/the usual assortment What a line up! That's almost worth the cost of the plane ticket from London to LA!!! Anyone in LA not at that gig is mad... Have a good one, David, cheers Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com SBN - solobassnetwork-subscribe@listbot.com "I know there's a balance, I see it when I swing past" - John Mellencamp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 20 16:50:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00601; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:48:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:48:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:46:12 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: ACID 2.0 (not Pro) Is "Free" w/rebate right now. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Someone wrote: >>Acid 2.0 (not Acid Pro) is "free" w/rebate right now. Got mine at >>Also, they're doin' the same thing with the Sound Forge (same folks) You'd assume that they'd be doing this because they are about to come out with a new version, so you'd have to pay for an upgrade... still, it sounds like a good deal! Someone else wrote: >these two have been floating around on hotline for years ... >http://www.bigredh.com will get you ware. >oh oh there goes another napster-internet-scandal; see:corporate >american loses copyright money we didn't want them to have. just >keep it quiet maybe they won't hear us talking like this. Writing music software is not a particularly profitable activity and is usually done just for the love of it. By making it uneconomic to write music software you simply cause music software not to be written. (And there's the troublesome "stealing" aspect too...) /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 20 17:28:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01204; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:27:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:27:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004a01c00aed$69c7c2c0$8f83abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: References: <000201c009cb$d0ad4000$9983abd4@a6d4z2> <002101c009dd$f85c6100$7e3e5d18@austin.rr.com> Subject: R: H.D. recording software for Pc (loop oriented) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 23:25:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01C00AFD.F0216D20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <4bXx1.A.US.c0Eo5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C00AFD.F0216D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks everybody for the help, I am starting to see more clearly than = store's salesmen let me to when I ask them informations. To Kevin: my sound blaster is a Live ! one. To Gregor: maybe I will use midi in the future, but at the moment I am = mostly interested in working with audio sequencing/recording. Thanks again... Luca ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C00AFD.F0216D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks everybody for the help, I am = starting to=20 see more clearly than store's salesmen let me to when I ask them=20 informations.
To Kevin: my sound blaster is = a Live !=20 one.
To Gregor: maybe I will use = midi in the=20 future, but at the moment I am mostly interested in working with audio = sequencing/recording.
 
Thanks again...
Luca
------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C00AFD.F0216D20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 20 17:31:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01439; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:29:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:29:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: whoa is me Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 14:28:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <399F2B9D.41CA410B@minds-eye.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5XqDuC.A.5T.a2Eo5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's time for you to get an account with www.blink.com, or sign up with www.fusionone.com. Blink has mastered the art of keeping track of bookmark URLs. FusionOne has mastered the art of synchronising your PIM software between several computers, and even synchronising any folder in your computer. Synchronising bookmark URLs is part of the whole package. There are others, but these excel. Hope they help you out next time. J. | -----Original Message----- | From: Kevin [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] | Sent: Saturday 19 August 2000 5:52 PM | To: loop | Subject: whoa is me | | | I've lost all my bookmarks in transferring computers, alas. | | Does anyone know the URL (or name of the product) for a fantastic | controller unit that had all kind of motions sensors and other | such things (may have run with MAX) I thin it was called the | I-Cube or something like that? I know I'm being vague here, but | it seemed a very powerful system for controlling the light/sound | environment through a variety of sensors and such. | | Any help is greatly appreciated. | | Actually, while I'm at it, if anyone has any info on any other | environmental control systems (voice recognition, motion sensors, | temperature responsive tone generators, etc.) I would be very | grateful. | | Thanks for any tips | | Kevin | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 20 17:31:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01526; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:30:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:30:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39A04E2D.8C55A9EF@minds-eye.org> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:31:25 -0400 From: Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: whoa is me References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the responses. I just realized however that my subject line should have been "woe is me". Oh well, I guess if I ever get around to using the stuff I've asked about it may really become "Whoa is Me". I have to unsubscribe for a few weeks (yes, I even know how to do it myself :-) so any more messages about the subject you might feel like sending should go to me personally (I won't see them on the list). This list is a fantastic resource and generally a great place to 'be'. see you in a few weeks Kevin Kim Flint wrote: > At 5:51 PM -0700 8/19/00, Kevin wrote: > >Actually, while I'm at it, if anyone has any info on any other > >environmental control systems (voice recognition, motion sensors, > >temperature responsive tone generators, etc.) I would be very > >grateful. > > check this month's Electronic Musician. there's a long article on that > subject, covering a large number of different alternate controllers. > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 20 17:34:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01874; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:32:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:32:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Echoplex page buried on Gibson site Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:31:43 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.gibson.com/products/strings/echoplex/index.html Had to dig a little for this on the Gibson site- nothing really new, but some pictures of the 'Gibson' model. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 20 20:25:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03947; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:22:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:22:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c00b05$6ea939a0$81dc78c3@casa> From: "Lorenzo Frizzera" To: References: <200008202128.RAA01318@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Loop recording software Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 02:19:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ciao Anybody knows of some pc software to record loop in real time? Thanks Lorenzo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 00:59:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07207; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:57:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:57:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-Id: <200008210457.AAA07160@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:56:56 EDT Subject: (almost) free Acid (almost) To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com folks, for y'all PC-users, there's a runtime version of Acid included on my new CD, along w/one of my tracks all done-up & acidified (for yer entertainment). the disc is called: SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH the release date is: 10/5 on CellDivision / 75ARK Records 'twill be in stores, listed under SPLaTTeRCeLL, *not* under my name. best, dt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 11:19:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14279; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:16:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:16:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:02:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: hard reset (JM/EDP) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, out of curiosity, wouldn't the EDP fall into the 'non-volatile' memory, as well? why then would there be a hard reset on the EDP, when it seems you should be able to just 'turn the power off and back on'? am i missing something? rich >There isn't one. Since the Jamman does not have any non-volatile memory, >there is nothing to reset. A "hard reset" is real simple: turn the power >off and back on. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 12:01:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16246; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:59:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:59:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000d01c00b88$50474640$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: hard reset (JM/EDP) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:56:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > out of curiosity, wouldn't the EDP fall into the 'non-volatile' memory, as > well? why then would there be a hard reset on the EDP, when it seems you > should be able to just 'turn the power off and back on'? Hummm...here's my translation: Kim's original: "Since the Jamman does not have any non-volatile memory, there is nothing to reset." my rewording: "Since the Jamman has volatile memory only, there is nothing to reset." Perhaps Kim has been reading too much Carl Sagan ("We would not agree that there is never a reason not to doubt that the converse of the statement 'Extraterrestrial life is not impossible.' may be invalid at some time, past, future or present.") Ok, I made that up. :) But that raises a question to me. Kim, I know you've got the schematics and I don't, but aren't the user settings saved in non-volatile memory of some sort? Or is there a battery somewheres? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 13:03:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17910; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:59:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:59:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:58:06 -0700 From: "sock s" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: sop@n2mail.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: New and old Echoplex faceplaces fit the same ? X-Sender-Ip: 216.90.139.162 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Im needing to know for sure if the new and old Echoplex faceplates are interchangeable.. thnks What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 13:33:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18547; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:31:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:31:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:23:01 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: hard reset (JM/EDP) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:02 AM -0700 8/21/00, rich wrote: >Kim, > >out of curiosity, wouldn't the EDP fall into the 'non-volatile' memory, as >well? why then would there be a hard reset on the EDP, when it seems you >should be able to just 'turn the power off and back on'? > >am i missing something? > Echoplex saves all of its parameter settings in eeprom (non-volatile memory). so when you turn it off and back on, all the parameters are where you left them. The parameter reset (hold param button at power up) resets all the parameters to the factory defaults. Jamman does not have any such memory, so the parameter settings are lost when you turn it off. You have to set them all again every time you turn it on. So there is no need for any "hard reset" since the hardware always turns on in it's default "reset" state. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 14:45:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19701; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:42:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:42:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39A1775B.7EB925E3@best.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:39:23 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex page buried on Gibson site References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The scrolling feature list on the Gibson EDP web page says: Up to nine loops simultaneously I read this to mean that I can have up to nine individual loops playing back at the same time. Is this true? How did I miss that in the manual? Or, do they really mean (the "More Loops" parameter) that I can have up to nine _consecutive_ loops, one playing back at a time followed by the next loop, etc. While I am here I'd like to submit my feature request for the next EDP model. (Kim did say he and Matthias were very busy, I can only imagine that something is in the works?) 1) Dual channel stereo looping. A parameter setting could switch between 50 second mono or 25 second stereo. This implies, of course, L and R inputs, outputs. 2) If "Up to nine loops simultaneously" does indeed mean consecutive, then true simultaneous loops (not necessarily all the same length) would be great. 3) Greater memory expansion for those simultaneous stereo loops - which kind of rules out the Motorola 68k cpu. -Allan future perfect wrote: > http://www.gibson.com/products/strings/echoplex/index.html > > Had to dig a little for this on the Gibson site- nothing really new, but > some pictures of the 'Gibson' model. > > Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices > http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 15:07:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20269; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:05:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:05:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: EDPs on eBay Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:08:55 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000501c00a63$6d951220$8d9cd8cc@gary> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was, but its busted right now. I need to send it back. Thanks for reminding me. bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:relayonemanband@cts.com] Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 10:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDPs on eBay Hey people--not to promote this "toy" excessively but it seems there are currently THREE Echoplexes available on eBay. Why buy an Orville? Scoop these up and you'll never leave your basement! Gary PS Johnathan El-Bizri, are you using the Starr Labs controller? G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 17:57:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22933; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:56:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:56:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008101c00bba$e09ecce0$d5d85c18@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <200008161332.JAA26239@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: some torn concerts Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:57:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any chance of either of these gigs making it to CD? Paolo ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 9:32 AM Subject: OT: some torn concerts > ah, yeah; a coupla live appearances for ya: > > tim berne's (L)oops @ tonic, wed 8/16 8/10pm, 107 norfolk st, nyc > tim berne/saxophones > tony malaby/tenor sax > craig taborn/keyed things, tom rainey/drungs > david torn/whatever > > plane @ knitting factory LA, 10/10 & 10/11 > meshell ndegeocello/bass, samples, etc > will calhoun/drungs & electro-thingies > david torn/the usual assortment > > best, > dt > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 18:08:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23597; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:08:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:08:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008101c00bba$e09ecce0$d5d85c18@tampabay.rr.com> References: <200008161332.JAA26239@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:56:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: some torn concerts Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Any chance of either of these gigs making it to CD? > >Paolo If Cliff Novey is going...it sure might make it to MiniDisc. (i have some inside information that he is indeed planning on attending) That guy tapes stuff when you least expect it. Oh, hi Cliff! rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 18:48:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24440; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:37:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:37:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006b01c00bc0$d51dcbe0$aa498cd4@HendersonTesco.net> From: "Simon Henderson" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: JamMan problems identified Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:40:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01C00BC9.20976A60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C00BC9.20976A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just to confirm previous messages, the JamMan diagnostic process Rich = sent me has shown that my problem is, indeed, relate to the mode knob. = Attempting to move through the different tests (via the knob) results in = the test number jumping between 2, 6 and 12 - i.e. moving through the = tests is in fact a test of the knob itself. Thanks again, Simon ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C00BC9.20976A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just to confirm previous messages, the = JamMan=20 diagnostic process Rich sent me has shown that my problem is, indeed, = relate to=20 the mode knob.  Attempting to move through the different tests (via = the=20 knob) results in the test number jumping between 2, 6 and 12 - i.e. = moving=20 through the tests is in fact a test of the knob itself.
 
Thanks again,
Simon
------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C00BC9.20976A60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 22:18:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26975; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:15:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:15:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "c.white" To: Subject: HI! Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:17:22 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-NSJlD.A.vkG.sHeo5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like phat beats! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 22:34:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27358; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:34:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:34:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c00be1$593708e0$65cc44c6@oemcomputer> From: "Gary Turner" To: References: Subject: Re: HI! Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:33:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like fat women. ----- Original Message ----- From: c.white To: Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 9:17 PM Subject: HI! > I like phat beats! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 23:20:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28181; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:18:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:18:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <010201c00be7$c3405ce0$d5d85c18@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: Subject: Thar's a new looper in town (Tampa Bay, FL) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:19:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <6j4y_D.A.s3G.LDfo5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Got to see my friend Jonathan Powell, the 18-year-old wunderkind I raved about a few months back, play for the first time with one of the newest weapons in his arsenal, a Line 6 DL4. For those who missed that older post, Jon likes to process his trumpet through distortion and wah pedals and the built-in effects of his Yamaha SU700 sampler. He also likes to hit the SU700 pads and trigger various samples. The jazz group he frequently plays with, Tibetan Sound Orgy, allows him plenty of space to mess around with the sampler and set up loops. In just his second gig with the DL4, he's already setting up a one-man horn section and making other joyful noise. Dave, looks like you have some loopin' competition here. :) For now, anyway. Jon is contemplating attending Juillard in New York. He's gonna be somethin' special... Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 22 01:36:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30479; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:34:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:34:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SketchyJoe@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:33:49 EDT Subject: Re: (almost) free Acid (almost) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very cool! This gets me thinking as to a possible way of releasing material (particularly for those of folks who enjoy manipulating loops (nobody here I suppose)). Why not include some sort of program with a CD. After all, it seems as though MP3 will change our medium of choice. This way the user (listener, consumer, sentient being...) can both enjoy an artist's creation and easily remix the piece into a new piece. I know other artists have touched on this before, but I figure that since "enhanced" CD's are becoming more common, why not add something special to the method of data storage. After all, DVD's are supposed to be great because they add a whole new level of "interactivity" to one's viewing pleasure. Just some insane ramblings... Thanks David for being a great artist who is truly "avante garde"! Later! Joe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 22 01:46:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30723; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:45:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:45:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SketchyJoe@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:43:57 EDT Subject: DOH! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's no E in avant. I lost my brain a long time ago... Later! Joe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 22 01:47:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30860; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:46:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:46:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:25:48 -0400 (EDT) From: noah To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (almost) free Acid (almost) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 SketchyJoe@aol.com wrote: > Very cool! > > This gets me thinking as to a possible way of releasing material > (particularly for those of folks who enjoy manipulating loops (nobody here I > suppose)). Why not include some sort of program with a CD. After all, it > seems as though MP3 will change our medium of choice. This way the user > (listener, consumer, sentient being...) can both enjoy an artist's creation > and easily remix the piece into a new piece. I know other artists have working on it... :) Actually, Flash 4.0 is very loop-friendly. I've seen really nice things done with Java where activating different buttons would fade in different loops in sync, sometimes according to mouse position... not a simple task, and not for connections of all bandwidths, but as technology progresses this stuff is bound to take off... As for CDs, it's been done, and never succeeded commercially. I have the feeling that such a project would involve more capital expenditure than the artist alone could muster, the software industry would have no idea how to market it, and the music industry wouldn't understand enough about it to front the development cash... The Residents Bad Day on the Midway is one such interactive art project that unfortunately got sold as a 'game'. It's entirely worth checking out. -><- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 22 03:18:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA32449; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 03:17:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 03:17:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.webslingerZ.com: sburnett owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 03:16:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Burnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (almost) free Acid (almost) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 SketchyJoe@aol.com wrote: > Very cool! > > This gets me thinking as to a possible way of releasing material > (particularly for those of folks who enjoy manipulating loops (nobody here I > suppose)). Why not include some sort of program with a CD. After all, it > seems as though MP3 will change our medium of choice. This way the user > (listener, consumer, sentient being...) can both enjoy an artist's creation > and easily remix the piece into a new piece. I know other artists have > touched on this before, but I figure that since "enhanced" CD's are becoming > more common, why not add something special to the method of data storage. > After all, DVD's are supposed to be great because they add a whole new level > of "interactivity" to one's viewing pleasure. > > Just some insane ramblings... Not that insane. I cannot be the only person on this list who's seen the King Crimson concert DVD "deja vroom" with the wonderful feature "21st century schizoid band". For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, the specific feature provides 12 time-synched tracks of their work "21st Century Schizoid Man" song in the following grid: rhythm, vocal, solo 1969 1969 1969 1971 1971 1971 1974 1974 1974 1996 1996 1996 so you can choose any of the four versions of each of the three tracks. So you choose which rhythm track, then which vocal, then which solo. Press play and you get the remix of your choice. Go through the choices again and hear a new version. I may be missing your point entirely, but even if I did, the above is a cool way to release a song. regards, Steve Burnett -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 22 06:23:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA02507; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 06:21:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 06:21:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801c00c22$d418f280$9c1d30d5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <200008161332.JAA26239@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Re: some torn concerts Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:22:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David, I'm a solo bassist, gigging with a JamMan and a Lexicon MPX-G2, mixing more melodic composed ideas with ambient stuff and free improv. I've got a solo album coming out next week, that is getting really good responses so far - Michael Manring and Danny Thompson have both said very nice things about it. I'd love to send you a copy, if that would be OK. I also write for Guitarist magazine, and would love to interview you next time you're in the UK. cheers Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com SBN - solobassnetwork-subscribe@listbot.com "I know there's a balance, I see it when I swing past" - John Mellencamp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 22 06:52:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03187; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 06:45:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 06:45:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c00c26$3a14b4e0$ab1d30d5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <200008161332.JAA26239@hemlock.violacea.com> <002801c00c22$d418f280$9c1d30d5@bigboy> Subject: Re: some torn concerts Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:45:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oops, intended to send that straight to Mr Torn... sorry... :o) Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Lawson To: Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 11:22 AM Subject: Re: some torn concerts > David, > > I'm a solo bassist, gigging with a JamMan and a Lexicon MPX-G2, mixing more > melodic composed ideas with ambient stuff and free improv. I've got a solo > album coming out next week, that is getting really good responses so far - > Michael Manring and Danny Thompson have both said very nice things about it. > I'd love to send you a copy, if that would be OK. > > I also write for Guitarist magazine, and would love to interview you next > time you're in the UK. > > cheers > > Steve > web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk > e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk > mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com > SBN - solobassnetwork-subscribe@listbot.com > > "I know there's a balance, I see it when I swing past" - John Mellencamp > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 22 07:00:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03285; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 06:48:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 06:48:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000d01c00b88$50474640$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 06:51:56 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: hard reset (JM/EDP) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 8/21/00/Denis queried: > >But that raises a question to me. Kim, I know you've got the schematics and I >don't, but aren't the user settings saved in non-volatile memory of some sort? >Or is there a battery somewheres? > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com Dennis, Every time I turn my Jam Men on I have to go through the ritual of holding down switches and entering various number so that I can set the correct MIDI channel I want. I checked with Lexicon way back and the answer was that all of the memory was volatile. patrick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 22 09:16:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04898; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:15:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:15:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Message-Id: <200008221315.JAA04831@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:14:19 EDT Subject: OT:Re:some torn concerts To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com pv, s'possible! the first PLANE concert was recorded to multi-track; i haven't hadda chance to listen to it, yet..... best, dt << Any chance of either of these gigs making it to CD? Paolo ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 9:32 AM Subject: OT: some torn concerts > ah, yeah; a coupla live appearances for ya: > > tim berne's (L)oops @ tonic, wed 8/16 8/10pm, 107 norfolk st, nyc > tim berne/saxophones > tony malaby/tenor sax > craig taborn/keyed things, tom rainey/drungs > david torn/whatever > > plane @ knitting factory LA, 10/10 & 10/11 > meshell ndegeocello/bass, samples, etc > will calhoun/drungs & electro-thingies > david torn/the usual assortment > > best, > dt > > >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 22 10:46:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06200; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:45:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:45:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: some torn concerts Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 07:45:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <002801c00c22$d418f280$9c1d30d5@bigboy> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great! Congratulations on your new release. I can't wait to hear it. I'm also a bassist in Berkeley doing some looping, but I am not gigging yet; too shy. I hope you can share on some of your experience of putting this album together, from recording to dealing for distribution, etc. I don't know who you meant to send a CD, but I'd like to get one; I don't know how payment would go, though. Javier Miranda 2124 Kittredge St., PMB253 Berkeley, CA 94704 United States Much good luck and thanks! J. | -----Original Message----- | From: Steve Lawson [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk] | Sent: Tuesday 22 August 2000 3:22 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: Re: some torn concerts | | | David, | | I'm a solo bassist, gigging with a JamMan and a Lexicon MPX-G2, | mixing more | melodic composed ideas with ambient stuff and free improv. I've | got a solo | album coming out next week, that is getting really good | responses so far - | Michael Manring and Danny Thompson have both said very nice | things about it. | I'd love to send you a copy, if that would be OK. | | I also write for Guitarist magazine, and would love to | interview you next | time you're in the UK. | | cheers | | Steve | web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk | e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk | mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com | SBN - solobassnetwork-subscribe@listbot.com | | "I know there's a balance, I see it when I swing past" - John Mellencamp | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 22 10:48:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06388; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:47:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:47:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: OT:Re:some torn concerts Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:39:00 -0500 Message-ID: <01c00c4f$17da3520$fecd580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <2gJZ2B.A.BjB.wJpo5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dt, I was at that gig in NYC and the three of you were tremendous! PedrOOrdeP >pv, >s'possible! >the first PLANE concert was recorded to multi-track; >i haven't hadda chance to listen to it, yet..... >best, >dt > ><< Any chance of either of these gigs making it to CD? > >Paolo > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 9:32 AM >Subject: OT: some torn concerts > > >> ah, yeah; a coupla live appearances for ya: >> >> tim berne's (L)oops @ tonic, wed 8/16 8/10pm, 107 norfolk st, nyc >> tim berne/saxophones >> tony malaby/tenor sax >> craig taborn/keyed things, tom rainey/drungs >> david torn/whatever >> >> plane @ knitting factory LA, 10/10 & 10/11 >> meshell ndegeocello/bass, samples, etc >> will calhoun/drungs & electro-thingies >> david torn/the usual assortment >> >> best, >> dt >> >> > > >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 22 10:58:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06706; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:57:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:57:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ae01c00c49$65b0b7c0$911d30d5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: some torn concerts Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:57:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <7YrUBB.A.LoB.sSpo5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Great! Congratulations on your new release. I can't wait to hear it. I'm > also a bassist in Berkeley doing some looping, but I am not gigging yet; too > shy. > > I hope you can share on some of your experience of putting this album > together, from recording to dealing for distribution, etc. > > I don't know who you meant to send a CD, but I'd like to get one; I don't > know how payment would go, though. Hi Javier, All the info about the album is on my web-site - it's completely live, bar one tune, front on an audience, no overdubs etc. I use a 32 second JamMan for loops, and sometime over lay other stuff with the loop function in the MPX-G2 which I mainly use for effects. The material is a mixture of sound-scape type stuff with more composed melodic ideas. The feedback so far has been really good, with positive comments coming from Michael Manring, Danny Thompson, Jimmy Haslip and others. It's all recorded direct to MiniDisc, via a Sony-ECM-907 mic stuck infront of my amp... There's worldwide secure credit card ordering available via my web-site. There are also sound clips available if you want to listen - do let me know what you think of it. As for getting out and gigging, I say just do it! I didn't have a proper set together until I was approached by a promoter who'd seen me do one tune like that as part of a gig with a quartet that I was in, who asked if I'd do a 40 minute support slot. So I did, and it worked out really well. cheers Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com SBN - solobassnetwork-subscribe@listbot.com "I know there's a balance, I see it when I swing past" - John Mellencamp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 22 11:02:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06891; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:01:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:01:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <31FEF30F0EDBD3118CFA00A0C945FCBE69D130@DUB_STAT1> From: "Jonathan O'Riordan" To: "'Steve Burnett'" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: (almost) free Acid (almost) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:58:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have to say that additional software and programs greatly enhance the pleasure received when buying a CD.Two very good examples of this are Cold Cut, who included a program written by the duo on their last album which called Vjam and Soundgarden, who released a follow-up EP to their "Superunknown" album which included additional live footage, commercial videos and other assorted stuff. Vjam was definitely an interesting toy. IT allows you to program certain keys to play small AV samples which can be blended together to form an interesting montage. Jonathan O'Riordan -----Original Message----- From: Steve Burnett [SMTP:sburnett@webslingerz.com] Sent: 22 August 2000 08:16 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (almost) free Acid (almost) On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 SketchyJoe@aol.com wrote: > Very cool! > > This gets me thinking as to a possible way of releasing material > (particularly for those of folks who enjoy manipulating loops (nobody here I > suppose)). Why not include some sort of program with a CD. After all, it > seems as though MP3 will change our medium of choice. This way the user > (listener, consumer, sentient being...) can both enjoy an artist's creation > and easily remix the piece into a new piece. I know other artists have > touched on this before, but I figure that since "enhanced" CD's are becoming > more common, why not add something special to the method of data storage. > After all, DVD's are supposed to be great because they add a whole new level > of "interactivity" to one's viewing pleasure. > > Just some insane ramblings... Not that insane. I cannot be the only person on this list who's seen the King Crimson concert DVD "deja vroom" with the wonderful feature "21st century schizoid band". For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, the specific feature provides 12 time-synched tracks of their work "21st Century Schizoid Man" song in the following grid: rhythm, vocal, solo 1969 1969 1969 1971 1971 1971 1974 1974 1974 1996 1996 1996 so you can choose any of the four versions of each of the three tracks. So you choose which rhythm track, then which vocal, then which solo. Press play and you get the remix of your choice. Go through the choices again and hear a new version. I may be missing your point entirely, but even if I did, the above is a cool way to release a song. regards, Steve Burnett -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 12:12:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28556; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:10:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:10:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c00d1a$e8186ec0$a86202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: some torn concerts Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:54:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >oops, intended to send that straight to Mr Torn... sorry... :o) > >Steve > nah, we don't mind.:))) gregor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 13:12:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29568; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:11:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:11:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [205.155.8.16] From: "David Potter" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looping @Burning Man Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:10:28 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2000 17:10:29.0268 (UTC) FILETIME=[099E1540:01C00D25] Resent-Message-ID: <0_W_tC.A._MH.AWAp5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Off topic for the judgemental and opinionated..... I will have a looping rig at Burning Man consisting of a jamman, vortex, DL4, electribe, kaoss pad, headrush and a small P.A. mics and a generator (a very quiet one) with baffles....looping for spontanious jams and telepathic connections to create in the moment. I use a guitar and vocals. Not taking my bigger rig or EDP to avoid dust intrusion. I also have a set up to loop powered by batteries to be more mobile. I will be in "the Black Light District". Look for me. I will arrive on Sat. a couple of days early on the 26th. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 13:15:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29599; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:12:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:12:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [205.155.8.16] From: "David Potter" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looping @Burning Man Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:11:34 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2000 17:11:34.0302 (UTC) FILETIME=[30617BE0:01C00D25] Resent-Message-ID: <197o-.A.2NH.BXAp5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Off topic for the judgemental and opinionated..... I will have a looping rig at Burning Man consisting of a jamman, vortex, DL4, electribe, kaoss pad, headrush and a small P.A. mics and a generator (a very quiet one) with baffles....looping for spontanious jams and telepathic connections to create in the moment. I use a guitar and vocals. Not taking my bigger rig or EDP to avoid dust intrusion. I also have a set up to loop powered by batteries to be more mobile. I will be in "the Black Light District". Look for me. I will arrive on Sat. a couple of days early on the 26th. oops forgot to sign off........Om and Out Papa Dave see you there ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 14:59:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31836; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:57:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:57:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [12.13.74.18] Reply-To: robdunl@idir.net From: "Robert Dunlap" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping @Burning Man Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:56:58 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2000 18:56:58.0933 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA279650:01C00D33] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What/Where is Burning Man? >From: "David Potter" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Looping @Burning Man >Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:10:28 GMT > >Off topic for the judgemental and opinionated..... > > >I will have a looping rig at Burning Man consisting of a jamman, vortex, >DL4, electribe, kaoss pad, headrush and a small P.A. mics and a generator >(a very quiet one) with baffles....looping for spontanious jams and >telepathic connections to create in the moment. I use a guitar and vocals. >Not taking my bigger rig or EDP to avoid dust intrusion. I also have a set >up to loop powered by batteries to be more mobile. I will be in "the Black >Light District". Look for me. I will arrive on Sat. a couple of days early >on the 26th. >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 18:29:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03597; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:27:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:27:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39A45188.FF8E4200@dmans.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:34:48 -0500 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Updated Boomerang References: <20000814215117.10098.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <36F09D.A.n3.r-Ep5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeppo, you have to stop to change rate. But the thought of a control pedal for real time sweeps through the sample/playback rate would be bizarre. Sort of like moving the head on an old tape echo. Maybe next product. Bret wrote: > --- "Mikell D.Nelson" wrote: > > * The half speed concept has been replaced by slow speed, and you > >have > >your choice of five. All are musically related to "normal" speed. The > >choices are: down a 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th or octave. Playback tempo > >isslowed > >similarly to the current software. > > Will you still have to stop the loop playing in order to change the > playback speed? > > bret > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 19:12:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04455; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:11:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:11:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.totalise.co.uk; Thu, 24 Aug 00 00:09:29 +0100 X-WebMail-UserID: charlestyrer Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:09:29 +0100 Sender: Charles Tyrer From: Charles Tyrer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-EXP32-SerialNo: 50000112 Subject: Unsubscribe Message-ID: <3ABB6704@mail.totalise.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.61.01 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unsubscribe me NOW or I'll sue... >===== Original Message From Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ===== >Off topic for the judgemental and opinionated..... > > >I will have a looping rig at Burning Man consisting of a jamman, vortex, >DL4, electribe, kaoss pad, headrush and a small P.A. mics and a generator >(a very quiet one) with baffles....looping for spontanious jams and >telepathic connections to create in the moment. I use a guitar and vocals. >Not taking my bigger rig or EDP to avoid dust intrusion. I also have a set >up to loop powered by batteries to be more mobile. I will be in "the Black >Light District". Look for me. I will arrive on Sat. a couple of days early >on the 26th. > > >oops forgot to sign off........Om and Out Papa Dave see you there >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Go to http://www.eurekar.com The motoring portal To become a member and a shareholder of our parent company visit http://www.totalise.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 19:27:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04844; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:26:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:26:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3ABB6704@mail.totalise.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:14:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Unsubscribe Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Unsubscribe me NOW or I'll sue... > Is this serious? How do people get on your list with such ease, Kim? And never, never, ever do they actually subscribe by themselves, or by someone who has access to their computer. It's that nefarious Kim Flint. He must be stopped! Damn, i've been looping for about 11 years, and i just found the list about 9 months ago... (and you're all saying "yeah, but he's catching up by pouring out 11 years of b.s. at us all...) I would have thought your nice little email list would have just 'found' me, like so many of these poor folks. I'm hoping this is a joke. If not, somebody needs to get more of a life than even us LD stalwarts. Yeah, try to sue somebody (in another country!) for getting on a email list, even if it wasn't your fault. boohoo. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 19:59:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06029; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:58:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:58:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:55:28 -0600 Subject: Re: Unsubscribe From: Mark Sottilaro To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3ABB6704@mail.totalise.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7YUGND.A.qdB.1TGp5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 8/23/00 5:09 PM, Charles Tyrer at charlestyrer@totalise.co.uk wrote: > Unsubscribe me NOW or I'll sue... > >> ===== Original Message From Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ===== >> Off topic for the judgemental and opinionated..... >> >> >> I will have a looping rig at Burning Man consisting of a jamman, vortex, >> DL4, electribe, kaoss pad, headrush and a small P.A. mics and a generator >> (a very quiet one) with baffles....looping for spontanious jams and >> telepathic connections to create in the moment. I use a guitar and vocals. >> Not taking my bigger rig or EDP to avoid dust intrusion. I also have a set >> up to loop powered by batteries to be more mobile. I will be in "the Black >> Light District". Look for me. I will arrive on Sat. a couple of days early >> on the 26th. >> >> >> oops forgot to sign off........Om and Out Papa Dave see you there >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > Go to http://www.eurekar.com > The motoring portal > > To become a member and a shareholder of our parent company > visit http://www.totalise.net > I'm suing now too! for punitive damages! Ow! My head snapped back when I read that post! (PS, Good luck at Burningman, I'd be looping there too, but I'd hate to loose any gear, and it seems like that's very likely. Marklar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 20:48:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06768; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:47:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:47:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.126.182.111] From: "Jonathan Wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Unsubscribe Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:46:30 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2000 00:46:30.0359 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE193E70:01C00D64] Resent-Message-ID: <5pa_oB.A.IpB.gBHp5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please unsubscribe me. bowedguitar@hotmail.com >From: Charles Tyrer >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Unsubscribe >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:09:29 +0100 > >Unsubscribe me NOW or I'll sue... > > >===== Original Message From Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ===== > >Off topic for the judgemental and opinionated..... > > > > > >I will have a looping rig at Burning Man consisting of a jamman, vortex, > >DL4, electribe, kaoss pad, headrush and a small P.A. mics and a >generator > >(a very quiet one) with baffles....looping for spontanious jams and > >telepathic connections to create in the moment. I use a guitar and >vocals. > >Not taking my bigger rig or EDP to avoid dust intrusion. I also have a >set > >up to loop powered by batteries to be more mobile. I will be in "the >Black > >Light District". Look for me. I will arrive on Sat. a couple of days >early > >on the 26th. > > > > > >oops forgot to sign off........Om and Out Papa Dave see you there > >________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > >Go to http://www.eurekar.com >The motoring portal > >To become a member and a shareholder of our parent company >visit http://www.totalise.net > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 21:02:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07147; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:01:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:01:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Unsubscribe Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:04:48 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-reply-to: <3ABB6704@mail.totalise.co.uk> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Unsubscribe me NOW or I'll sue... > No you won't. bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 21:09:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07376; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:08:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:08:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c00d67$c39fdb80$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: Subject: Re: Unsubscribe lawsuits Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:08:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Me too!!! Anyone else for a class-action suit against Kim, Gibson (without the 'plex we'd have nothing to discuss), and Al Gore (after all, he invented the Internet)? Once more, straight from the e-mail you got when you signed up, bro... >> ********************************** >> >> If you ever need to unsubscribe, send mail to: >> >> Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> >> with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject and the body. Make sure that >> your signature file is turned off. >> >> ********************************** And hey, let's sue the guy who invented those pointy quote-marker indent things too! Those sharp edges could easily put out someone's eye and they're small enough for a child to choke on! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Sottilaro To: Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 6:55 PM Subject: Re: Unsubscribe > on 8/23/00 5:09 PM, Charles Tyrer at charlestyrer@totalise.co.uk wrote: > > > Unsubscribe me NOW or I'll sue... > > > >> ===== Original Message From Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ===== > >> Off topic for the judgemental and opinionated..... > >> > >> > >> I will have a looping rig at Burning Man consisting of a jamman, vortex, > >> DL4, electribe, kaoss pad, headrush and a small P.A. mics and a generator > >> (a very quiet one) with baffles....looping for spontanious jams and > >> telepathic connections to create in the moment. I use a guitar and vocals. > >> Not taking my bigger rig or EDP to avoid dust intrusion. I also have a set > >> up to loop powered by batteries to be more mobile. I will be in "the Black > >> Light District". Look for me. I will arrive on Sat. a couple of days early > >> on the 26th. > >> > >> > >> oops forgot to sign off........Om and Out Papa Dave see you there > >> ________________________________________________________________________ > >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > Go to http://www.eurekar.com > > The motoring portal > > > > To become a member and a shareholder of our parent company > > visit http://www.totalise.net > > > I'm suing now too! for punitive damages! Ow! My head snapped back when I > read that post! > > (PS, Good luck at Burningman, I'd be looping there too, but I'd hate to > loose any gear, and it seems like that's very likely. > > Marklar > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 21:38:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07906; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:37:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:37:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000823214308.007b58a0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:43:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Unsubscribe lawsuits In-Reply-To: <002b01c00d67$c39fdb80$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <6r0TUB.A.46B.4wHp5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But seriously, Kim, would it be possible to set up something like a sig file where a hyperlink to the unsubscribe instructions could appear at the bottom of each post? Apart from entertainment value, people who don't want to be here don't really seem to contribute much, especially those who can't figure out how to leave. Tim np: kd lang's 'all you can eat', featuring some rather cool Ben Mink loops... they're buried pretty far back in the mix, but worth listening for. >> on 8/23/00 5:09 PM, Charles Tyrer at charlestyrer@totalise.co.uk wrote: >> >> > Unsubscribe me NOW or I'll sue... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 23:11:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09324; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:09:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:09:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix6.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:07:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Unsubscribe lawsuits In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000823214308.007b58a0@pop.ici.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, Tim Nelson wrote: > > Apart from entertainment value, people who don't want to be here don't > really seem to contribute much, especially those who can't figure out how > to leave. they can't get out... they're caught in a loop! infinate retry on parallel time out, rbrt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 01:07:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10725; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:06:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:06:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:44:53 -0400 (EDT) From: noah To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unsubscribing For Dummies Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com YUO ALL GO TOO YUOR COMPUTARS. 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I AM 31337. -><- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 01:13:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10916; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:11:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:11:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c00d89$e3ce4280$7e3e5d18@austin.rr.com> From: "Kevin Thomas" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20000823214308.007b58a0@pop.ici.net> Subject: Re: Unsubscribe lawsuits Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:12:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm on mail lists with such a thing - instructions pasted to the bottom of each message - and there are STILL people who can't figure out how to unsubscribe..... drfuzz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 8:43 PM Subject: Re: Unsubscribe lawsuits > But seriously, Kim, would it be possible to set up something like a sig > file where a hyperlink to the unsubscribe instructions could appear at the > bottom of each post? > > Apart from entertainment value, people who don't want to be here don't > really seem to contribute much, especially those who can't figure out how > to leave. > > Tim > > np: kd lang's 'all you can eat', featuring some rather cool Ben Mink > loops... they're buried pretty far back in the mix, but worth listening for. > > >> on 8/23/00 5:09 PM, Charles Tyrer at charlestyrer@totalise.co.uk wrote: > >> > >> > Unsubscribe me NOW or I'll sue... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 02:26:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11840; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 02:25:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 02:25:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:23:41 -0500 From: "Ben Porter" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: azrix@n2music.com X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Max/MSP vs. Kyma X-Sender-Ip: 216.76.237.179 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, after the whole Kyma vs. Orville fight a few weeks ago, I thought I would ask about something that I've been thinking about. Lately, I've been heavily researching Max/MSP. But, I'm wondering how much better a Kyma system would be. I'm mostly interested in two aspects of the programs. One is live performance. The ability to send MIDI in (using some alternate MIDI controllers) and get audio out. I'm thinking mostly sampling, but maybe some synthesis and possibly some sound morphing (thanks for letting me know about that one!) and definitely some effects, looping, and mixing. The other would be sound design. Actually being able to create new and interesting sounds as well as modify and/or mangle already sampled sounds. At the moment, I'm heavily biased towards Max/MSP because of the need for minimal external hardware, but you give up alot of latency for it, but I think I might be able to get to where I can stand it. With the Kyma system, you need that large looking black box with the DSP's and memory as well as a computer. Then there is the cost, but that might be made up by getting a lower cost computer vs. buying a top of the line Powerbook. Any comments? Neither system is exactly what I would want, but I think that what I really want will be possible in about a year. But, that is a long ways away. I'm trying to decide if it would be worth getting something similar now or if I should just wait. Thanks to all. Ben Porter. What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 02:43:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12166; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 02:42:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 02:42:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000824064053.3035.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:40:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Avoid costly Legal Actions! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Apart from entertainment value, people who don't want to be here > don't > > really seem to contribute much, especially those who can't figure > out how > > to leave. > > they can't get out... they're caught in a loop! > Available now! The never before told, secret society, banned at ebay, get it before it's illegal Video, "How to unsubscribe from loopers delight". At $9.95, plus shipping and handling, this video is much cheaper than a lawsuit. Quicker too. Email me directly for details. I accept visa and mastercard, provided you know how to use paypal. Money orders accepted. No checks, please. 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Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 03:04:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12580; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 03:04:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 03:04:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: jim@hemlock.violacea.com Message-ID: <39A4C944.6059DEC@jguru.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:05:40 -0600 From: Jim Coker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: azrix@n2music.com CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Max/MSP vs. Kyma References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Latency is a function of the sound hardware and drivers. With ASIO and a 2408, MSP can get very low latency. However, for any host-cpu-based solution, you pay some varying amount when you use the short buffers needed for low latency. Different programs fare differently in that regard. Thanks to dedicated hardware, Kyma can get very low latency w/o a large penalty in processing power. I've found that Supercollider is much more efficent for processing than MSP, OTOH, Supercollider is not graphical and that really bugs some folks out. (though, I think SC is less complex, and better designed than Max/MSP). Native Instrument's Reaktor recently announced support for Motu Audio System (thus smooth integration w/ DP). It already supports VST. There's an online demo. (BTW: MSP progs can also run as MAS or VST plug-ins, via Pluggo). Right now, if you want low latency audio for a powerbook, you either buy Kyma, or a Magma rack unit and put a PCI card in it. However, mLan is imminent. There are already 2 articles in the past two issues of Sound on Sound (www.sospubs.co.uk). I expect Yamaha and others to announce mLan products at AES this Sept. It is a good bet that Yamaha's ASIO drivers for Mac (already demo'd at MacWorld) have relatively low latency (otherwise, they would have a major marketing problem). Consider also the quality of algorithms available. I've heard pitch shifting on all these boxes, and nothing compares with the algorithms from Wave Mechanics (used by Eventide and TC Electronic). Resynthesis with Kyma can be very good, but also very expensive (2-4 DSP chips if I remember correctly). Even simple algorithms, such as chorusing, can be tricky to get right. Study your needs carefully, these are all complex systems, they will all have strengths and limitations that are not initially apparent. Jim Ben Porter wrote: > Well, after the whole Kyma vs. Orville fight a few weeks ago, I thought I would ask about something that I've been thinking about. Lately, I've been heavily researching Max/MSP. But, I'm wondering how much better a Kyma system would be. > > I'm mostly interested in two aspects of the programs. One is live performance. The ability to send MIDI in (using some alternate MIDI controllers) and get audio out. I'm thinking mostly sampling, but maybe some synthesis and possibly some sound morphing (thanks for letting me know about that one!) and definitely some effects, looping, and mixing. The other would be sound design. Actually being able to create new and interesting sounds as well as modify and/or mangle already sampled sounds. > > At the moment, I'm heavily biased towards Max/MSP because of the need for minimal external hardware, but you give up alot of latency for it, but I think I might be able to get to where I can stand it. With the Kyma system, you need that large looking black box with the DSP's and memory as well as a computer. Then there is the cost, but that might be made up by getting a lower cost computer vs. buying a top of the line Powerbook. > > Any comments? Neither system is exactly what I would want, but I think that what I really want will be possible in about a year. But, that is a long ways away. I'm trying to decide if it would be worth getting something similar now or if I should just wait. > > Thanks to all. > > Ben Porter. > > What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. > http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 04:19:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA13172; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:17:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:17:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:13:36 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Unsubscribe In-reply-to: <3ABB6704@mail.totalise.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <_LjH7.A.END.GnNp5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:09 PM -0700 8/23/00, Charles Tyrer wrote: >Unsubscribe me NOW or I'll sue... please do, that would be fun. Also, expect a countersuit from me. I've emailed you numerous times trying to help you out and you've completely ignored every mail. I would like to be compensated for wasting my time on you and for the waste of time you've caused others today. We will be the poster boys for frivolous lawsuits. Tim said: >But seriously, Kim, would it be possible to set up something like a sig >file where a hyperlink to the unsubscribe instructions could appear at the >bottom of each post? Believe me it won't help, only adds clutter and wastes more bandwidth. Instead, I would prefer that people resist the urge to post replies to these things. (I know some people make that a difficult urge to resist...:-) Reply to the person in private if you must, or ignore it. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 10:49:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15970; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:47:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:47:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000824094509.00849360@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:45:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Clark Subject: A Bit OT - Soundscapes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I have an EDP, play guitar and want to go live with guitar loops blended with ambient to dark ambient drones and soundscapes. I've not found a CD-ROM (Akai S3000XL) with the sounds I want. I don't know how to make my own, yet. Any suggestions as to where to find these samples, or some place where I can learn to do it myself? Thanks, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 11:26:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16424; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:25:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:25:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20000824094509.00849360@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:12:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: A Bit OT - Soundscapes Resent-Message-ID: <9e9LMD.A.FAE.l4Tp5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael, I don't know about the sample CD-ROM's, but with your guitar, and your EDP, you can do a ton of 'scapes all by yourself. I would suggest investing in a volume pedal and possible another delay of some sort. This has been the basis for my drones. Start the EDP, and then strike your note, or chords with the volume pedal off and then fade that in gently as the EDP is recording. Wait till it fades out then close the loop on the EDP. Start the overdub, and then continue to fade in volume swells at different intervals until you build up your drone. You will now be swelling in sound that crosses over the loop start/stop point, creating a 'seamless' drone. The other (pre)delay unit can help in getting those swells to sustain and cascade out gently. If you choose another delay unit that has looping or 'hold' functions (DL4, PDS, or others), you can get your drone how you like it captured on the EDP, turn off the overdub, and then begin to do 'new loops' on your delay unit, independent of the soundscape drone happening on the EDP. hope this is of some help. rich > >I have an EDP, play guitar and want to go live with guitar loops blended >with ambient to dark ambient drones and soundscapes. > >I've not found a CD-ROM (Akai S3000XL) with the sounds I want. I don't >know how to make my own, yet. > >Any suggestions as to where to find these samples, or some place where I >can learn to do it myself? > >Thanks, > >Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 12:04:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17006; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:02:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:02:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <138FAF0D3722D311BAD00000F8093163227E2E@hdo-exchange.corporate.southam.ca> From: "Bailey, Jim" To: "'looppost'" Subject: RE: Unsubscribe lawsuits Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:52:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Thomas [mailto:drfuzz@austin.rr.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 1:12 AM > > I'm on mail lists with such a thing - instructions pasted to > the bottom of > each message - and there are STILL people who can't figure out how to > unsubscribe..... I know what you mean. "Silence," the John Cage list (which is actually living up to its name - I haven't received a digest since March) was a classic for that. Perhaps we should refer to these people as "lobsters;" i.e.: they can get in ok, but are too stupid to figure out how to leave (I know that the hole in a lobster trap is designed to make it difficult for them to exit, but they could if they tried. I just thought the analogy worked). BTW, 'though I don't post very often, so probably won't be missed all that much, I'll be on vacation for the next three weeks, and must, alas, unsubscribe myself - though only temporarily. Observe closely kiddies, this is how it's done... Jim Bailey From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 12:21:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17367; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:18:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:18:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39A5C47F.342D94D0@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:57:35 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Unsubscribe lawsuits References: <138FAF0D3722D311BAD00000F8093163227E2E@hdo-exchange.corporate.southam.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Bailey, Jim" wrote: > Perhaps we should refer to these people as "lobsters;" i.e.: they can get in > ok, but are too stupid to figure out how to leave (I know that the hole in a > lobster trap is designed to make it difficult for them to exit, but they > could if they tried. I just thought the analogy worked). Lobsters delight ech poor guy asking for unsub on the list gets automatically subscribed to the "Lobsters delight mailing list" trap where he gets a daily mesage on the art of sus/unscribing at the end of the week our webmaster Kim picks up his large fishing boots and goes to lobbster fishing the more polite he will free, the stupid ones he will keep, for another week or so come on litle lobsters... Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 13:13:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18097; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:11:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:11:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39A557DE.319F6672@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:20:20 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Unsubscribe lawsuits References: <138FAF0D3722D311BAD00000F8093163227E2E@hdo-exchange.corporate.southam.ca> <39A5C47F.342D94D0@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude voit wrote: > "Bailey, Jim" wrote: > > > Perhaps we should refer to these people as "lobsters;" i.e.: they can get in > > ok, but are too stupid to figure out how to leave (I know that the hole in a > > lobster trap is designed to make it difficult for them to exit, but they > > could if they tried. I just thought the analogy worked). > > Lobsters delight > > ech poor guy asking for unsub on the list gets automatically subscribed > to the "Lobsters delight mailing list" trap > where he gets a daily mesage on the art of sus/unscribing > at the end of the week our webmaster Kim picks up his large fishing > boots and goes to lobbster fishing > the more polite he will free, the stupid ones he will keep, for another > week or so > > come on litle lobsters... > > Claude lol this made my morning! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 14:09:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18966; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:08:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:08:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000824130618.008aeac0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:06:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: A Bit OT - Soundscapes In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.20000824094509.00849360@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi! Thanks. I have used the volume pedal to slowly bring up a simple chord progression (C Am G F - something like that) and began to use the VP to layer sounds over the top via Overdub. Then, I put a melody on top. It sounds nice - very listenable, but something is missing - at least to my ear. There's no suspense or real mystery. Maybe the second delay/effects unit would help. I want to create rather dark stuff that has movement, then put a rather twisted, but melodic, melody over the top. Then.... I want to play this stuff live. Any additional info you might give is welcomed and appreciated. Thanks, Michael At 08:12 AM 8/24/00 -0700, you wrote: >Michael, > >I don't know about the sample CD-ROM's, but with your guitar, and your EDP, >you can do a ton of 'scapes all by yourself. I would suggest investing in >a volume pedal and possible another delay of some sort. This has been the >basis for my drones. Start the EDP, and then strike your note, or chords >with the volume pedal off and then fade that in gently as the EDP is >recording. Wait till it fades out then close the loop on the EDP. Start >the overdub, and then continue to fade in volume swells at different >intervals until you build up your drone. You will now be swelling in sound >that crosses over the loop start/stop point, creating a 'seamless' drone. >The other (pre)delay unit can help in getting those swells to sustain and >cascade out gently. > >If you choose another delay unit that has looping or 'hold' functions (DL4, >PDS, or others), you can get your drone how you like it captured on the >EDP, turn off the overdub, and then begin to do 'new loops' on your delay >unit, independent of the soundscape drone happening on the EDP. > >hope this is of some help. > >rich > > >> >>I have an EDP, play guitar and want to go live with guitar loops blended >>with ambient to dark ambient drones and soundscapes. >> >>I've not found a CD-ROM (Akai S3000XL) with the sounds I want. I don't >>know how to make my own, yet. >> >>Any suggestions as to where to find these samples, or some place where I >>can learn to do it myself? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Michael > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 14:19:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19223; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:18:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:18:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8DA4FAEEC6B7D31180AC0090274E619F0151B268@EXCHANGE> From: "Morrison, Roger" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: A Bit OT - Soundscapes Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:14:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C00DF7.33EA954E" Resent-Message-ID: <2jxGh.A.lrE.6aWp5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C00DF7.33EA954E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Michael writes: >I have used the volume pedal to slowly bring up a simple chord progression >(C Am G F - something like that) and began to use the VP to layer sounds >over the top via Overdub. Then, I put a melody on top. It sounds nice - >very listenable, but something is missing - at least to my ear. There's no >suspense or real mystery. >Maybe the second delay/effects unit would help. I want to create rather >dark stuff that has movement, then put a rather twisted, but melodic, >melody over the top. Then.... I want to play this stuff live. >Any additional info you might give is welcomed and appreciated. >Thanks, >Michael I don't have an EDP, but from what I've gathered off this list, you can copy your basic loop pattern to multiple loops, then create variations and switch around between them while you solo over the top. If you made at least one or two of the variations rather dissonant and begging for resolution, that would give you the ability to add suspense, and to hold it as long as you can stand (or longer!) until you finally release it. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C00DF7.33EA954E Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: A Bit OT - Soundscapes

    Michael writes:

    >I have used the volume = pedal to slowly bring up a simple chord progression
    >(C Am G F - something like that) and began to use the VP = to layer sounds
    >over the top via Overdub.  Then, I put a melody on = top.  It sounds nice -
    >very listenable, but something is missing - at least to = my ear.  There's no
    >suspense or real mystery.

    >Maybe the second delay/effects unit would help.  I = want to create rather
    >dark stuff that has movement, then put a rather = twisted, but melodic,
    >melody over the top.  Then.... I want to play this = stuff live.

    >Any additional info you might give is welcomed and = appreciated.

    >Thanks,

    >Michael

I don't have an EDP, but from = what I've gathered off this list, you can copy your basic loop pattern = to multiple loops, then create variations and switch around between = them while you solo over the top.  If you made at least one or two = of the variations rather dissonant and begging for resolution, that = would give you the ability to add suspense, and to hold it as long as = you can stand (or longer!) until you finally release it.


------_=_NextPart_001_01C00DF7.33EA954E-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 14:27:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19471; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:26:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:26:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401c00df6$e8ef80e0$746202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: Unsubscribe lawsuits Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 20:11:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > >On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, Tim Nelson wrote: > >> >> Apart from entertainment value, people who don't want to be here don't >> really seem to contribute much, especially those who can't figure out how >> to leave. > > > >they can't get out... they're caught in a loop! > > hahhah.. line of the month. gregor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 15:17:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20405; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:16:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:16:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39A50ED7.655E341A@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:02:31 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock Organization: smtp.dial.pipex.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Kyma/max References: <200008240643.CAA12249@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know about a fight. I have no allegiances - they're just tools. If I found something better than Kyma tomorrow and I could afford it I'd probably get it. One of the main reasons I got Kyma was I was getting tired of compromising my playing style because of latency. I used to use Audiomulch, (PC only) and got the latency right down on it though there was some discernible delay. If you're a player you don't really want that sort of thing getting in the way of your performance. I've had Kyma for a few weeks now and there is no latency, (well 6 ms) also the sound quality is impeccable which, when you're layering sounds many times, can be important. The interface could do with tweaking - frankly it's a bit clunky. The midi interface is comprehensive. You can trigger sequences/processes etc. on the fly. It'll do dolby 5.1, 7.1, quad stereo or mono. The processors are very powerful. You can record your performance straight to hard disk pre or post effects, (or both) pre effects means you can edit a performance without having to worry about reverb tails etc. - nice! The reverb algorithms take up a fair amount of DSP though so I'm thinking of getting a Lexicon and sending/returning from Kyma - this can be done digitally. I'm trying to emulate freeverb at the moment which may free up resources without draining DSP. Finally the worst thing is having to drag a computer around with Kyma. Dennis Leas tells me you can run it off a digital watch more or less so I'll be looking for a second-hand laptop soon too. Just realized I'm getting carried away - and using up valuable Kyma time - must dash. Ciao for now, Gareth > > Well, after the whole Kyma vs. Orville fight a few weeks ago, I thought I would ask about something that I've been thinking about. Lately, I've been heavily researching Max/MSP. But, I'm wondering how much better a Kyma system would be. > > I'm mostly interested in two aspects of the programs. One is live performance. The ability to send MIDI in (using some alternate MIDI controllers) and get audio out. I'm thinking mostly sampling, but maybe some synthesis and possibly some sound morphing (thanks for letting me know about that one!) and definitely some effects, looping, and mixing. The other would be sound design. Actually being able to create new and interesting sounds as well as modify and/or From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 15:18:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20512; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:17:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:17:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [206.15.0.250] From: "K. G. Dick" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Generators, Batteries, And Thread Management Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:15:55 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2000 19:15:55.0386 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9F24DA0:01C00DFF] Resent-Message-ID: <7EXbtC.A.B_E.OSXp5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Papa Dave, Could you briefly describe your generator and battiers setup? What model generator that's quiet, and with baffles, etc.? Thanks so much. Best, K. G. Dick "Be Excellent To Each Other." -Bill & Ted. PS: Oh, as a public service to everyone, in case anyone missed this stuff, and reiteration is one of the most enjoyed aspects of this mailing list, here is the unedited, original-message-included stuff from the last digest-more than a THIRD of the content: | -----Original Message----- | From: Steve Lawson [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk] | Sent: Tuesday 22 August 2000 3:22 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: Re: some torn concerts | | | David, | | I'm a solo bassist, gigging with a JamMan and a Lexicon MPX-G2, | mixing more | melodic composed ideas with ambient stuff and free improv. I've | got a solo | album coming out next week, that is getting really good | responses so far - | Michael Manring and Danny Thompson have both said very nice | things about it. | I'd love to send you a copy, if that would be OK. | | I also write for Guitarist magazine, and would love to | interview you next | time you're in the UK. | | cheers | | Steve | web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk | e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk | mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com | SBN - solobassnetwork-subscribe@listbot.com | | "I know there's a balance, I see it when I swing past" - John Mellencamp | | >pv, >s'possible! >the first PLANE concert was recorded to multi-track; >i haven't hadda chance to listen to it, yet..... >best, >dt > ><< Any chance of either of these gigs making it to CD? > >Paolo > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 9:32 AM >Subject: OT: some torn concerts > > >>ah, yeah; a coupla live appearances for ya: >> >>tim berne's (L)oops @ tonic, wed 8/16 8/10pm, 107 norfolk st, nyc >>tim berne/saxophones >>tony malaby/tenor sax >>craig taborn/keyed things, tom rainey/drungs >>david torn/whatever >> >>plane @ knitting factory LA, 10/10 & 10/11 >>meshell ndegeocello/bass, samples, etc >>will calhoun/drungs & electro-thingies >>david torn/the usual assortment >> >>best, >>dt >> >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- From: Steve Burnett [SMTP:sburnett@webslingerz.com] Sent: 22 August 2000 08:16 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (almost) free Acid (almost) On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 SketchyJoe@aol.com wrote: > Very cool! > > This gets me thinking as to a possible way of releasing material > (particularly for those of folks who enjoy manipulating loops (nobody here I > suppose)). Why not include some sort of program with a CD. After all, it > seems as though MP3 will change our medium of choice. This way the user > (listener, consumer, sentient being...) can both enjoy an artist's creation > and easily remix the piece into a new piece. I know other artists have > touched on this before, but I figure that since "enhanced" CD's are becoming > more common, why not add something special to the method of data storage. > After all, DVD's are supposed to be great because they add a whole new level > of "interactivity" to one's viewing pleasure. > > Just some insane ramblings... Not that insane. I cannot be the only person on this list who's seen the King Crimson concert DVD "deja vroom" with the wonderful feature "21st century schizoid band". For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, the specific feature provides 12 time-synched tracks of their work "21st Century Schizoid Man" song in the following grid: rhythm, vocal, solo 1969 1969 1969 1971 1971 1971 1974 1974 1974 1996 1996 1996 so you can choose any of the four versions of each of the three tracks. So you choose which rhythm track, then which vocal, then which solo. Press play and you get the remix of your choice. Go through the choices again and hear a new version. I may be missing your point entirely, but even if I did, the above is a cool way to release a song. regards, Steve Burnett -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From: "David Potter" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looping @Burning Man Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:10:28 GMT Off topic for the judgemental and opinionated..... I will have a looping rig at Burning Man consisting of a jamman, vortex, DL4, electribe, kaoss pad, headrush and a small P.A. mics and a generator (a very quiet one) with baffles....looping for spontanious jams and telepathic connections to create in the moment. I use a guitar and vocals. Not taking my bigger rig or EDP to avoid dust intrusion. I also have a set up to loop powered by batteries to be more mobile. I will be in "the Black Light District". Look for me. I will arrive on Sat. a couple of days early on the 26th. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Bret wrote: >--- "Mikell D.Nelson" wrote: > > * The half speed concept has been replaced by slow speed, and you > >have > >your choice of five. All are musically related to "normal" speed. The > >choices are: down a 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th or octave. Playback tempo > >isslowed > >similarly to the current software. > >Will you still have to stop the loop playing in order to change the >playback speed? > >bret > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ >===== Original Message From Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ===== >Off topic for the judgemental and opinionated..... > > >I will have a looping rig at Burning Man consisting of a jamman, vortex, >DL4, electribe, kaoss pad, headrush and a small P.A. mics and a generator >(a very quiet one) with baffles....looping for spontanious jams and >telepathic connections to create in the moment. I use a guitar and vocals. >Not taking my bigger rig or EDP to avoid dust intrusion. I also have a set >up to loop powered by batteries to be more mobile. I will be in "the Black >Light District". Look for me. I will arrive on Sat. a couple of days early >on the 26th. > > >oops forgot to sign off........Om and Out Papa Dave see you there >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Go to http://www.eurekar.com The motoring portal To become a member and a shareholder of our parent company visit http://www.totalise.net >Unsubscribe me NOW or I'll sue... > >>===== Original Message From Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ===== >>Off topic for the judgemental and opinionated..... >> >> >>I will have a looping rig at Burning Man consisting of a jamman, vortex, >>DL4, electribe, kaoss pad, headrush and a small P.A. mics and a >>generator >>(a very quiet one) with baffles....looping for spontanious jams and >>telepathic connections to create in the moment. I use a guitar and >>vocals. >>Not taking my bigger rig or EDP to avoid dust intrusion. I also have a >>set >>up to loop powered by batteries to be more mobile. I will be in "the >>Black >>Light District". Look for me. I will arrive on Sat. a couple of days >>early >>on the 26th. >> >> >>oops forgot to sign off........Om and Out Papa Dave see you there >>________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > >Go to http://www.eurekar.com >The motoring portal > >To become a member and a shareholder of our parent company >visit http://www.totalise.net > From: Charles Tyrer Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:09:29 +0100 Unsubscribe me NOW or I'll sue... >===== Original Message From Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ===== Off >topic for the judgemental and opinionated..... > > >I will have a looping rig at Burning Man consisting of a jamman, vortex, >DL4, electribe, kaoss pad, headrush and a small P.A. mics and a generator >(a very quiet one) with baffles....looping for spontanious jams and >telepathic connections to create in the moment. I use a guitar and vocals. >Not taking my bigger rig or EDP to avoid dust intrusion. I also have a set >up to loop powered by batteries to be more mobile. I will be in "the Black >Light District". Look for me. I will arrive on Sat. a couple of days early >on the 26th. > > >oops forgot to sign off........Om and Out Papa Dave see you there >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Go to http://www.eurekar.com The motoring portal To become a member and a shareholder of our parent company visit http://www.totalise.net ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Sottilaro To: Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 6:55 PM Subject: Re: Unsubscribe >on 8/23/00 5:09 PM, Charles Tyrer at charlestyrer@totalise.co.uk wrote: > > > Unsubscribe me NOW or I'll sue... > > > >> ===== Original Message From Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ===== > >> Off topic for the judgemental and opinionated..... > >> > >> > >> I will have a looping rig at Burning Man consisting of a jamman, vortex, > >> DL4, electribe, kaoss pad, headrush and a small P.A. mics and a generator > >> (a very quiet one) with baffles....looping for spontanious jams and > >> telepathic connections to create in the moment. I use a guitar and vocals. > >> Not taking my bigger rig or EDP to avoid dust intrusion. I also have a set > >> up to loop powered by batteries to be more mobile. I will be in "the Black > >> Light District". Look for me. I will arrive on Sat. a couple of days early > >> on the 26th. > >> > >> > >> oops forgot to sign off........Om and Out Papa Dave see you there > >> ________________________________________________________________________ > >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > Go to http://www.eurekar.com > > The motoring portal > > > > To become a member and a shareholder of our parent company > > visit http://www.totalise.net > > >I'm suing now too! for punitive damages! Ow! My head snapped back when I >read that post! > >(PS, Good luck at Burningman, I'd be looping there too, but I'd hate to >loose any gear, and it seems like that's very likely. > >Marklar > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 8:43 PM Subject: Re: Unsubscribe lawsuits >But seriously, Kim, would it be possible to set up something like a sig >file where a hyperlink to the unsubscribe instructions could appear at the >bottom of each post? > >Apart from entertainment value, people who don't want to be here don't >really seem to contribute much, especially those who can't figure out how >to leave. > >Tim > >np: kd lang's 'all you can eat', featuring some rather cool Ben Mink >loops... they're buried pretty far back in the mix, but worth listening for. > > >> on 8/23/00 5:09 PM, Charles Tyrer at charlestyrer@totalise.co.uk wrote: > >> > >> > Unsubscribe me NOW or I'll sue... > Just want to make sure everybody really got all this stuff!!! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 16:20:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21757; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:19:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:19:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013101c00e07$c003ac40$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <39A4C944.6059DEC@jguru.com> Subject: Re: Max/MSP vs. Kyma Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:13:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <_yvVh.A.uPF.mKYp5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "Gareth Whittock" > I don't know about a fight. I have no allegiances - they're just tools. From: "Jim Coker" > Study your needs carefully, these are all complex systems, > they will all have strengths and limitations that are not > initially apparent. Amen! I was afraid that the "discussion" on Kyma and Orville was degenerating into a bit of a silly battle. Arguing about the "best" equipment is like arguing about which is the "best" shirt size. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 16:23:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22496; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:22:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:22:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F9132999@mail.davitt-hanser.com> From: Todd Quincy To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: digi 001 & pro tools le Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:25:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm thinking about buying the Digi 001 Pro Tools Le package as well as a new G4 (400 mhz single processor) does anyone have any pros or cons on this package. Or perhaps if someone could spec out the machine they use with pro tools. Todd Quincy BC Rich, Kustom, PowerWerks, Davitt & Hanser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 16:50:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23388; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:49:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:49:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000824154730.0088a140@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:47:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: RE: A Bit OT - Soundscapes In-Reply-To: <8DA4FAEEC6B7D31180AC0090274E619F0151B268@EXCHANGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, thank you for mentioning dissonance and creating a structure or sound that resolves the dissonance. I love the world of composing. It never ends. M. At 02:14 PM 8/24/00 -0400, you wrote: >>>> Arial0000,0000,ffffMichael writes: Arial0000,0000,ffff>I have used the volume pedal to slowly bring up a simple chord progression Arial0000,0000,ffff>(MonacoC Am G F - something like that) and began to use the VP to layer sounds Arial0000,0000,ffff>Monacoover the top via Overdub. Then, I put a melody on top. It sounds nice - Arial0000,0000,ffff>Monacovery listenable, but something is missing - at least to my ear. There's no Arial0000,0000,ffff>Monacosuspense or real mystery. Arial0000,0000,ffff>MonacoMaybe the second delay/effects unit would help. I want to create rather Arial0000,0000,ffff>Monacodark stuff that has movement, then put a rather twisted, but melodic, Arial0000,0000,ffff>Monacomelody over the top. Then.... I want to play this stuff live. Arial0000,0000,ffff>MonacoAny additional info you might give is welcomed and appreciated. Arial0000,0000,ffff>MonacoThanks, Arial0000,0000,ffff>MonacoMichael Arial0000,0000,ffffI don't have an EDP, but from what I've gathered off this list, you can copy your basic loop pattern to multiple loops, then create variations and switch around between them while you solo over the top. If you made at least one or two of the variations rather dissonant and begging for resolution, that would give you the ability to add suspense, and to hold it as long as you can stand (or longer!) until you finally release it. <<<<<<<< From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 17:23:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24293; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:22:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:22:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Kyma/max Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:25:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <39A50ED7.655E341A@dial.pipex.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com . You can trigger sequences/processes etc. on the fly. It'll do dolby 5.1, 7.1, quad stereo or mono. Does that include encoding? If so, does it take up much power? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 18:30:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25404; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:29:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:29:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000824183309.007aee40@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:33:09 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Max/MSP vs. Kyma In-Reply-To: <013101c00e07$c003ac40$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <39A4C944.6059DEC@jguru.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:13 PM 8/24/00 -0500, Dennis wrote: > Arguing about the "best" equipment is like >arguing about which is the "best" shirt size. My vote for the best shirt size is "extra medium". They're really hard to find, though. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 19:32:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26118; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:30:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:30:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:29:31 -0700 Subject: Re: Kyma/max From: Andrew Pask To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <39A50ED7.655E341A@dial.pipex.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If I had the time and money I'd get both. Both are deep apps with strengths and weaknesses. I got Max/Msp not knowing about about Kyma. I think at's also valuable to consider support. Get on all the mailing lists and check out the communities which have grown up around each app.Are they cool for newbies?Is the "parent" company actively involved?Do they have a good rep for helping out their clients? Get demos and try some things out. Two things I will say for Max/Msp (not really knowing Kyma from a hole in the road): -It happily uses most other good quality I/O hardware without fear of conflict, so you can have another major audio app using the same set up. -There are many people developing some amazing add ons, the NATO image/video processing package is right out there, blows Videolic away, and the networking/cross platform/internet possibilties are getting more powerful all the time. As seems to be the case, no one app will be the magic answer, the solution will be some arduously attained and usually uniquely personal setup. L8r Andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 21:43:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27870; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:42:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:42:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: Snot nosed kid Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:45:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. >1.800.555.Tell >biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say >'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. So how many of you secret Tellme game? It's pointless and stupid, and so naturally, I'm pretty proud of it. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 21:44:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28026; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:44:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:44:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39A5FD3E.FA6561AC@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:59:46 -0700 From: Your Name Reply-To: switters@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: digi 001 & pro tools le References: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F9132999@mail.davitt-hanser.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Todd, Check this months issue of Guitar Player for a review of the Digi 001you might also look for the Electronic Musician review from April . On a scale of 5 possible points E.M. gave the 001 the following: Features: 3.5 Ease-of-use: 4.5 Audio Quality: 4.5 Value: 3.5 (the price has gone down so I suspect the value rating has gone up). Both EM and Guitar Player had a few trifling complaints; however they both sounded impressed. There are several users on the Logic Audio user group you might peruse the list for opinions. Best, Sean From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 23:43:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30418; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:42:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:42:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Unsubscribe lawsuits Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 20:33:42 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <39A5C47F.342D94D0@vtx.ch> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, I've been missing some funny ones like this. Very good, Claude. | -----Original Message----- | From: Claude voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] | Sent: Thursday 24 August 2000 5:58 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: Re: Unsubscribe lawsuits | | | | | "Bailey, Jim" wrote: | | > Perhaps we should refer to these people as "lobsters;" i.e.: | they can get in | > ok, but are too stupid to figure out how to leave (I know | that the hole in a | > lobster trap is designed to make it difficult for them to | exit, but they | > could if they tried. I just thought the analogy worked). | | Lobsters delight | | ech poor guy asking for unsub on the list gets automatically subscribed | to the "Lobsters delight mailing list" trap | where he gets a daily mesage on the art of sus/unscribing | at the end of the week our webmaster Kim picks up his large fishing | boots and goes to lobbster fishing | the more polite he will free, the stupid ones he will keep, for another | week or so | | come on litle lobsters... | | Claude | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 04:27:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA00802; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 04:26:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 04:26:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WM-Posted-At: mail.totalise.co.uk; Fri, 25 Aug 00 09:25:08 +0100 X-WebMail-UserID: charlestyrer Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:25:08 +0100 Sender: Charles Tyrer From: Charles Tyrer To: baumhaus@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight X-EXP32-SerialNo: 50000112 Subject: RE: Unsubscribe lawsuits Message-ID: <3ACF4124@mail.totalise.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.61.01 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com SHUT IT FATTY >===== Original Message From baumhaus@earthlink.net ===== >Claude voit wrote: > >> "Bailey, Jim" wrote: >> >> > Perhaps we should refer to these people as "lobsters;" i.e.: they can get in >> > ok, but are too stupid to figure out how to leave (I know that the hole in a >> > lobster trap is designed to make it difficult for them to exit, but they >> > could if they tried. I just thought the analogy worked). >> >> Lobsters delight >> >> ech poor guy asking for unsub on the list gets automatically subscribed >> to the "Lobsters delight mailing list" trap >> where he gets a daily mesage on the art of sus/unscribing >> at the end of the week our webmaster Kim picks up his large fishing >> boots and goes to lobbster fishing >> the more polite he will free, the stupid ones he will keep, for another >> week or so >> >> come on litle lobsters... >> >> Claude > >lol > >this made my morning! > >lance g. Go to http://www.eurekar.com The motoring portal To become a member and a shareholder of our parent company visit http://www.totalise.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 05:21:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01365; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 05:20:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 05:20:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000825092017.19723.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:20:17 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: RE: Unsubscribe lawsuits To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <66Y9PB.A.6U.Opjp5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Meanwhile, back at the castle, Charles had come to realize that his subscription to "Loopers Delight" was not as fulfilling as "a good evening in" with Jane Austen. --- Charles Tyrer wrote: > SHUT IT FATTY ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 07:12:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01997; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 07:11:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 07:11:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <023e01c00e85$320c9ae0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <3ACF4124@mail.totalise.co.uk> Subject: Re: Unsubscribe lawsuits Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 07:11:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why are you still here? Read this important information that (hint) TELLS YOU HOW TO GET OFF THE LIST: >> ********************************** >> >> If you ever need to unsubscribe, send mail to: >> >> Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> >> with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject and the body. Make sure >> that your signature file is turned off. >> >> ********************************** Thank you. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Tyrer To: ; Loopers-Delight Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 4:25 AM Subject: RE: Unsubscribe lawsuits > SHUT IT FATTY > > > > > >===== Original Message From baumhaus@earthlink.net ===== > >Claude voit wrote: > > > >> "Bailey, Jim" wrote: > >> > >> > Perhaps we should refer to these people as "lobsters;" i.e.: they can get > in > >> > ok, but are too stupid to figure out how to leave (I know that the hole > in a > >> > lobster trap is designed to make it difficult for them to exit, but they > >> > could if they tried. I just thought the analogy worked). > >> > >> Lobsters delight > >> > >> ech poor guy asking for unsub on the list gets automatically subscribed > >> to the "Lobsters delight mailing list" trap > >> where he gets a daily mesage on the art of sus/unscribing > >> at the end of the week our webmaster Kim picks up his large fishing > >> boots and goes to lobbster fishing > >> the more polite he will free, the stupid ones he will keep, for another > >> week or so > >> > >> come on litle lobsters... > >> > >> Claude > > > >lol > > > >this made my morning! > > > >lance g. > > Go to http://www.eurekar.com > The motoring portal > > To become a member and a shareholder of our parent company > visit http://www.totalise.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 10:21:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03479; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:20:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:20:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:18:27 -0400 (EDT) From: noah To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Footpedals, Rampant Elitism. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <25lgKD.A.N1.8Bop5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Kim, is there any way people can be kicked/banned from the list? This may sound fascist, but it seems to me the unwashed masses are running wild in our streets... Also, does anyone recommend a good MIDI pedal that takes, or comes with, an expression pedal? I need it to do patch change and pedal-controlled CCs, and I need it to work with the Repeater I'm definately buying in November (ahem, Damon). -><- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 10:46:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03977; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:45:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:45:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01b701c00ea2$8dda2af0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Kyma/max Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:41:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > ... It'll do dolby 5.1, 7.1, quad > stereo or mono. > > Does that include encoding? If so, does it take up much power? No, I don't think Kyma has Dolby encoders. Symbolic Sound has talked about supplying various encoders (Dolby, MP3, etc.) if there's enough interest but it's vaporware at this time. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 11:35:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04537; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:33:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:33:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 08:20:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Footpedals, Rampant Elitism. Resent-Message-ID: <7vEWj.A.5FB.AGpp5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My RFX (Rolls?) MidiWizard has jacks in the back for 8 (i think) expression pedals. I haven't used it for that, and programming the MidiWizard would take someone with a good knowledge of Midi, because the manual just plain stinks. It seems like one of those 'manufactured overseas and "hey, let's let them just do the manual"' kind of thing...So you have a manual that appears to be written originally in Chinese or wherever it was manufactured and then translated into English. Ever taken Chinese herbs/medicine? If you read the translated instructions, they are a total bust up, because the translations are so literal but confused. The RFX manual is like that, but more depressing because you're trying to make this piece of equipment work, rather than just taking a pill that will "make you not feel at unease when you are always not smoking all of the day"... Otherwise, the MidiWizard has been pretty rock solid for controlling my JamMan. Do you know the Midi implementation of the Repeater? I am planning on buying the Repeater as well, once i can get my hands on it in a store to demo it, but I am curious to know what Midi commands are going to do what... I would hate to buy a pedal and then have it not mesh with the product in question. rich ps. and Charles Tyrer should just go jump in the Channel. Notice how he bitches about the LD list coming to him, but damn if he doesn't send us the unsolicited advertisement for the company he works for at the bottom of his posts. I wouldn't mind it from a active participant, but from an ass like him, it's a little bit of the "kettle calling the pot". >Hey Kim, is there any way people can be kicked/banned from the list? This >may sound fascist, but it seems to me the unwashed masses are running wild >in our streets... > >Also, does anyone recommend a good MIDI pedal that takes, or comes with, >an expression pedal? I need it to do patch change and pedal-controlled >CCs, and I need it to work with the Repeater I'm definately buying in >November (ahem, Damon). > >-><- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 12:42:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05401; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:40:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:40:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39A6CF2A.E4D353B5@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:55:27 -0700 From: Your Name Reply-To: switters@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Footpedals, Rampant Elitism. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Go with the Digital Music Corp. Ground Control. I needn't say much more. It's a great controller: powerful, versitile (especially inconjunction with the patchbay/loop switching GCX) and incredibly durable (I've been using the same controller for the past 6 years and it's been subject to about every live performance hazard and keeps on ticking). At around $300, it is THE poorman's Bradshaw switcher. I use it to provide switching via GCX loops for a rack full of unruly pedals, to send program change and realtime CC to my Se-50 and to control my JamMan. Checkout the company's site at voodoolab.com Best, Sean From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 13:24:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05996; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:23:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:23:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:22:24 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Footpedals, Rampant Elitism. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4MYkhD.A.HdB.Utqp5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Also, does anyone recommend a good MIDI pedal that takes, or comes with, >an expression pedal? I need it to do patch change and pedal-controlled >CCs, and I need it to work with the Repeater I'm definately buying in >November (ahem, Damon). I have a (Rolls?) MIDI Mitigator (actually I have two) which is waterproof, sends any information, and has a huge, bright alphanumeric display. But I don't really use them right now... I reserve the right to do so, later! /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 13:29:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06181; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:28:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:28:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Footpedals, Rampant Elitism and unsubscribe instructions. Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:27:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The MIDI implementation for Repeater is still open to suggestions. We are actually in the process of specifying what MIDI foot controllers we want to be compatible with so any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. P.S. We want to wait until Repeater is out for a while so we can learn a bit more before we spec out our own MIDI foot controller. P.S.S. Charles, to unsubscribe you do ONLY the following: Write unsubscribe in the subject then write unsubscribe in the body. Write nothing else. Remove any signature file. Then send the email to Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Then I hope peace will be with you... Best Regards, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix / IVL "No Creative Barriers" Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 13:51:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06499; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:50:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:50:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39A6B1C4.2AFB2669@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:49:57 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: sine@zerocrossing.net Organization: ZeroCrossing Multimedia Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: Damon@Electrixpro.com Subject: Viva Electrix! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can I just say, WOW. I've been saving my pennies (more like skeptically watching this list) for the Echoplex. However, seeing the dedication, and attention that Electrix is paying to Looper's Delight, I have to say that it seems obvious which company is "getting it." Kudos to you Damon! I'll be first in line to buy a product from a company that's got it's finger on the pulse of the people that really use gear on a daily basis. Plus, it's got that groovy "Space 1999" styling that I can't get enough of! Could you just make sure that "fade" and the fade rate can be controlled by the foot pedal? Having the ability to add to a fading loop, and then stop the fade once it becomes something interesting is very important. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 14:08:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06911; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:07:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:07:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01ec01c00ebe$cc414aa0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: Footpedals, Rampant Elitism and unsubscribe instructions. Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:03:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Damon, > The MIDI implementation for Repeater is still open to suggestions. We are > actually in the process of specifying what MIDI foot controllers we want to > be compatible with so any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. DISCLAIMER: I haven't seen a Repeater or read about it other than our LD discussion. So I'm speaking from very little information. Also, my bias toward higher-end performance samplers is more system oriented. I.e., how usable is the sampler as a component in a system rather than stand-alone operation? I see from the pix on your website that Repeater has both a MIDI-IN and a MIDI-OUT (and a MIDI-THRU). Very good! Can you tell us more about what comes out the MIDI-OUT? I have several suggestions: 1) Make all Repeater operations controllable via MIDI (except, perhaps, the power switch :). This is most important for the common real-time performance controls such as loop start/stop/levels, etc. This is less important for modal/user-preference type of settings. However, the musician may want to configure the unit differently for different songs in a set. The capability to do this via MIDI is really handy. 2) Have Repeater post it's operating/running status via MIDI. This includes real-time status such as loop start or end, synchronizing data, and MIDI clock. Maybe a sample dump too although it's probably too slow to be very practical (slow due to the MIDI spec and not the Repeater implementation). Again, I see samplers such as Repeater as a component in a larger looping system. The performer may want to capture the Repeater's audio to HD in an automated fashion via MIDI controls. 3) Avoid using/sending SYSEX messages. Okay, so I probably just stated the equivalent of "Don't stand in the campfire." I'm really happy to see new looper hardware coming to the market! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 14:08:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06913; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:07:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:07:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.174.77] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Footpedals, Rampant Elitism. Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:06:09 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2000 18:06:09.0176 (UTC) FILETIME=[252F1980:01C00EBF] Resent-Message-ID: <5OC-e.A.JqB.uWrp5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can get the mp1288 MIDIWIZARD midi pedalboard made by Rolls/RMX. It's cheaper than most units and has 8 !!! inputs for ext. controllers, continuous or momentary (Pedals or Switches)...it sends midi prog.changes and midi controllers messages up on 8 different midi channel if you need this. It's small, it fits in a single rack space and has a tiny manual. Worx just fine...try!!! bye bye Ital@@@p ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 14:09:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06907; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:07:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:07:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.21.174.77] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Footpedals, Rampant Elitism. Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:06:17 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2000 18:06:17.0640 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A3A9A80:01C00EBF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can get the mp1288 MIDIWIZARD midi pedalboard made by Rolls/RMX. It's cheaper than most units and has 8 !!! inputs for ext. controllers, continuous or momentary (Pedals or Switches)...it sends midi prog.changes and midi controllers messages up on 8 different midi channel if you need this. It's small, it fits in a single rack space and has a tiny manual. Worx just fine...try!!! bye bye Ital@@@p ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 14:38:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07743; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:36:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:36:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000825113402.0248f660@mail.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@mail.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:35:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Subject: Re: Footpedals, Rampant Elitism. In-Reply-To: References: < Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Lake Butler? At 01:22 PM 8/25/2000 -0400, someone wrote: >I have a (Rolls?) MIDI Mitigator (actually I have two) which is waterproof, >sends any information, and has a huge, bright alphanumeric display. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 14:49:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08142; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:48:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:48:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000825113402.0248f660@mail.mindspring.com> References: < <4.3.2.7.2.20000825113402.0248f660@mail.mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:46:38 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Footpedals, Rampant Elitism. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Lake Butler? > > >At 01:22 PM 8/25/2000 -0400, someone wrote: > > >I have a (Rolls?) MIDI Mitigator (actually I have two) which is waterproof, > >sends any information, and has a huge, bright alphanumeric display. Right! That's it! /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 15:02:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08440; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:00:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:00:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:08:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Unsubscribe lawsuits From: "Skza" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1244892271-10987278@mail.blol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Man Why did you subscribe to a list if you're so unhappy there? Unsubscribe or you'll sue? what's up? You could have no real suit there... Calling somebody fatty? Sheeeeeesh- lighten up. if you piss on somebody's parade you are going to get laughed at- nobody has said anything truly mean here except for yourself... Wow- I'm defending people & I've only been on the list 3 days... You have to uns*bscribe yourself- and it's easy. send email to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com with uns*bscribe as the subject & body. The * is replacing a u, just to be clear. Have no other text in the message, no signature or anything. Then, you'll be hapy again and off of the list. I you don't unsubscribe, then chiil out and let these people do teir thing- if you don't want to be a part of it then you don't need to be a dick to them. you have options. Have a good day Skye ---------- >From: Charles Tyrer >To: baumhaus@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight >Subject: RE: Unsubscribe lawsuits >Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000, 3:25 AM > > SHUT IT FATTY > > > > >>===== Original Message From baumhaus@earthlink.net ===== >>Claude voit wrote: >> >>> "Bailey, Jim" wrote: >>> >>> > Perhaps we should refer to these people as "lobsters;" i.e.: they can get > in >>> > ok, but are too stupid to figure out how to leave (I know that the hole > in a >>> > lobster trap is designed to make it difficult for them to exit, but they >>> > could if they tried. I just thought the analogy worked). >>> >>> Lobsters delight >>> >>> ech poor guy asking for unsub on the list gets automatically subscribed >>> to the "Lobsters delight mailing list" trap >>> where he gets a daily mesage on the art of sus/unscribing >>> at the end of the week our webmaster Kim picks up his large fishing >>> boots and goes to lobbster fishing >>> the more polite he will free, the stupid ones he will keep, for another >>> week or so >>> >>> come on litle lobsters... >>> >>> Claude >> >>lol >> >>this made my morning! >> >>lance g. > > Go to http://www.eurekar.com > The motoring portal > > To become a member and a shareholder of our parent company > visit http://www.totalise.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 15:05:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08718; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:05:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:05:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:12:39 -0500 Subject: OOps- sorry guys + BBD question From: "Skza" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1244891998-11003701@mail.blol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey everyone- I'm sorry for posting the message to Charles Tyrer to the whole list _accidentally_ ... I guess it's a strange way to introduce myself- an odd first post... Oh well! Hello everyone... For Real Content: if there is anybody here with a decent knowledge of BBD chips, could you drop me a line? I have some questions for a project I'm working on... Thanks, and Hell-low Skye Ashbook skza@nabi.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 15:06:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08743; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:05:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:05:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:53:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Viva Electrix! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Can I just say, WOW. I've been saving my pennies (more like skeptically >watching this list) for the Echoplex. However, seeing the dedication, >and attention that Electrix is paying to Looper's Delight, I have to say >that it seems obvious which company is "getting it." Kudos to you >Damon! I'll be first in line to buy a product from a company that's got >it's finger on the pulse of the people that really use gear on a daily >basis. Electrix Rocks! Damon has been very helpful to me over the last few weeks or so with my current Electrix gear (filter queen and eq killer). Similar to Mark's situation, i have been going back and forth on the whole 'Echoplex' purchase...However, seeing the coming of the Repeater, i will be plunking down the cash if this beast does what it promises, and is real-time friendly. I don't think, however, that we (Looper's Delight folks) are the necessarily the "pulse" that Electrix is "keeping a finger on", per se. I think we're a VERY FORTUNATE side effect... Electrix gear is, IMO, made for DJ/Remix Culture. Their styling, input/output specs, ad campaigns, website and such are all geared to hook up your turntables, twist those future/retro lookin' knobs and get those booties movin'! The VERY FORTUNATE part comes in from the fact that real-time instrument-based loopers seem to have similar performance-oriented issues. We need tools that react in very simple, predictable ways, are rock-solid, and have well-designed, intuitive interfaces. So you don't look stupid up there...whether you're spinning vinyl to the crowd shaking their asses, or doing your guitar loopy thing to the audience shaking their heads! :) However, Electrix seems to be smart enough to realize that there is a market with us...That we will buy their gear and we will also spread the word! case in point...the two other guitarists i am playing with are looking at my Filter Queen (so nice with the expression pedal and footswitch) with envious eyes...and i can't say enough about it! potential additional sales? you bet... more than 2 cents... rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 15:36:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09313; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:35:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:35:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <022501c00ecb$1a902c60$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <1244891998-11003701@mail.blol.com> Subject: Re: OOps- sorry guys + BBD question Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:31:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Welcome, Skye, > I guess it's a strange way to introduce myself- an odd first post... well, it's better than Charles Tyrer's intro... :) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 16:29:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10260; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:28:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:28:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Viva Electrix! Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:26:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I don't think, however, that we (Looper's Delight folks) are the >necessarily the "pulse" that Electrix is "keeping a finger on", per se. I >think we're a VERY FORTUNATE side effect... >Electrix gear is, IMO, made for DJ/Remix Culture. Their styling, >input/output specs, ad campaigns, website and such are all geared to hook >up your turntables, twist those future/retro lookin' knobs and get those >booties movin'! >rich Actually all our gear is meant for the "modern music maker" This is why they are Live knob tweakin, MIDI automatable, Studio friendly, "space 1999", road worthy, foot controllable (Digitech FS300 will do), Rackmount-tabletop pieces. We just consider the turntable another instrument. Repeater is our first product to have an instrument input on the front panel. This should make guitar players and other "instrumentalists" very happy. Best Regards, Damon Langlois Creative Director Electrix / IVL "No Creative Barriers" Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 http://www.electrixpro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 17:37:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11172; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:37:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:37:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swirly@www.swirly.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:35:49 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: (LONG) MIDI control (for loopers and other devices) Cc: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [sorry... this is very long but I hope quite clear. as you can see, I've been thinking about this for a long while... /t] GOALS IN WRITING MIDI CONTROL PROGRAMS zeroth priority: ACHIEVABLE. must be able to make it work without too much work. first priority: COMPLETE. as much functionality as possible needs to be accessible from MIDI. second priority CLEAR. it should be "obvious" (to a reasonably technical person) how to access these functions from MIDI. More common functions need to be "more obvious". third priority EFFICIENT. it needs to make reasonably efficient usage of the memory, computational, audio and display facilities of the machine. DEFINING OUR TERMS A "MIDI command" or just a command is some bit of MIDI generated by the user that's supposed to control the machine (ie, program changes, control changes, pitch bends, NRPNs, system exclusives, etc...) Conceptually, you can think of the machine's controls as having a "state". (For the looper's MIDI control, the audio in the machine isn't really part of the state.) You can talk about the state of the whole machine. You can talk about the state of a part of the machine, like the state of one channel. Or, you can talk about the state of a single control. Finally, "internal settings" or "settings" come in two flavours. Switches have two or more discrete settings, like "on"/"off" or "audio/tap/internal". Dials have "continuous" settings, even though the granularity of this might be quite small (or quite large...) For example, dials would be "loop time (0.000-128.000 seconds)" or "feedback level (1-8)". So, we put together settings (switches or dials) into parts, and then assemble the parts into the whole state of the machine. WHAT IS THE PROBLEM AT HAND? We want to see how to map "MIDI commands" into changes to "internal settings". SAMPLE MEMORY IS EXPENSIVE, USER TIME IS EXPENSIVE, CONTROL MEMORY IS CHEAP, CONTROL PROCESSING IS CHEAP Suppose a user command is represented by a (wildly generous) 100 bytes on average, and the user has programmed 1000 commands, surely quite a few. The total memory consumed here is a measly 100K, or about one second of stereo sampling. Users (ie "musicians") are really unable to generate too many different sorts of streams of information while actually using equipment. You can't generate hex code on the fly! Modern processors perform hundreds of millions of operations a second. Processing audio takes many hundreds of thousands of operations a second. One user has trouble generating a thousand control operations. This means techniques like "table lookups" or "linear interpolation" are essentially "free" (a table lookup on a modern microprocessor might take 100 nanoseconds!) and can be used if at all helpful. ON WITH IT! Without further ado, I'll present a nice, simple and general model for the MIDI control of a machine. A LIBRARY OF STATES You need to be able to recall the state of the entire machine by some sort of name. It's fine if these names are "1", "2", "3", etc. but text would be nice too. BANKS OF COMMANDS Commands need to be organized by banks. (see control processing is cheap above..) There need to be a lot of banks possible. Informally, one bank == one song. A "bank" of commands describes exactly how "commands" are mapped into "changes to the settings". A bank might conceptually say something like Program Change 1: recall state 1 Program Change 2: set record on loop 1 to on Program Change 3: set record on loop 1 to off Program Change 4: - Program Change 5: - ... CC1: loop 1 output (0-100) CC2: - CC3: - PITCH: - where of course we just don't store the empty areas in a bank. WHY BANKS? It corresponds to the needs of your average player, where you have a limited selection of controls that you need to behave differently for different songs. ANY CHANGE CAN BE MADE FROM ANY COMMAND Remember, your average guy has a few fairly limited control sources so if he can only generate, say, program changes, then he should be able to set all levels this way. Banks should be able to handle any MIDI data if at all possible: PC, CC, note-on/off, aftertouch, you name it. Seems ridiculous but you have to parse the MIDI stream anyway, it's very little work to cover ALL the cases at the end. WHAT SORT OF CHANGES ARE ALLOWED? any list of the following changes: set state to (value) set bank to (value) set dial/switch to (value) increment/decrement dial by (value) toggle switch up/down // loops through all possible values set dial to (start:end) // maps a controller linearly SUMMARY A simple model of any MIDI machine is presented where a user sends MIDI commands to change the state of discrete switches and continuous dials. At any time, the machine has a "state" of all its switches and dials. The user can store and recall multiple states in memory. The MIDI behaviour is controlled by a "bank" which maps MIDI commands into state changes. APPENDIX: SUGGESTIONS FOR ENHANCEMENT Presets: There need to be some decent "preset banks" that expose the most common functions to MIDI and to the most common foot pedals in their initialized format. This idea pays for the bank idea on its own, if it works "out of the box" with "all" the foot pedals "out of the box". The Bank Command: There needs to be a command that goes off when you select a bank. If the rest of this worked, that would take 10 minutes to implement. Default Bank: If you had a little extra time, you could have a "default bank" that would be searched if you didn't find the incoming command in the current bank. Curves for dials: In the case of the "linear values" for the dial, it would be very nice to have arithmetic maps that would let you remap an incoming controller. This sort of thing is very useful because things like "velocity" or "breath control" (my favorite) are not linear in nature. Rev 2.0: In a later rev, once you had this structure, it might not be to hard to actually create some LFOs, envelopes, other free-running gizmos... ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 18:50:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12332; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:48:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:48:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c00ee6$b0907ce0$9bdbe33e@0006303921043200861239070001> Reply-To: "Luis Angulo" From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: Subject: Re: Footpedals, Rampant Elitism. Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 00:45:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bonassera italo amigo! Sorry for the spelling! but with my spanish i get around with my fellow italians with no problem! Anyway i wanted to ask you how easy is the rolls to operate i´ve heard bad things about their manual. Does it send on/off messages as well? Arrivederchi! Luis > You can get the mp1288 MIDIWIZARD midi pedalboard made by Rolls/RMX. It's > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 18:55:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12265; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:48:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:48:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c00ee6$ae8088a0$9bdbe33e@0006303921043200861239070001> Reply-To: "Luis Angulo" From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: Subject: Re: Footpedals, Rampant Elitism. Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 00:21:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <4frDiB.A.D9C.8dvp5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Tom, are you interested in selling one of your Mitigators? Do you have the manual for it? Thanks Luis > >> I have a (Rolls?) MIDI Mitigator (actually I have two) which is waterproof, > sends any information, and has a huge, bright alphanumeric display. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 18:55:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12264; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:48:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:48:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301c00ee6$b1491e80$9bdbe33e@0006303921043200861239070001> Reply-To: "Luis Angulo" From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: Subject: Re: Viva Electrix! Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 00:47:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds great Damon i can´t wait to have one!!!! Cheers Luis > Repeater is our first product to have an instrument input on the front > panel. This should make guitar players and other "instrumentalists" very > happy. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 18:56:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12258; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:48:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:48:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005001c00ee6$af318920$9bdbe33e@0006303921043200861239070001> Reply-To: "Luis Angulo" From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: Subject: Re: Footpedals, Rampant Elitism and unsubscribe instructions. Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 00:29:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Damon, I think it would be great if the repeater responded to on/off messages via CC´s. Many great foot controllers like the Ground control don´t have this universal essential function! Cheers Luis > The MIDI implementation for Repeater is still open to suggestions. We are > actually in the process of specifying what MIDI foot controllers we want to > be compatible with so any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 18:56:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12330; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:48:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:48:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c00ee6$add8afe0$9bdbe33e@0006303921043200861239070001> Reply-To: "Luis Angulo" From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: Subject: Re: Footpedals, Rampant Elitism. Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 00:16:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I join you in the quest for a good foot controller my friend! The PMC 10 has simply all you need but it has been my experience that they are not road worthy, some of them have software bugs like my old one and they don´t make them anymore.I have the Ground Control which you probably don´t want if you want CC´s. Try the roland FC 200, Roctron all Accesss, Yamaha FC 10 or the Phill Rees which i haven´t tried visit their homepages and ask a lot of questions! Good luck Luis > > Also, does anyone recommend a good MIDI pedal that takes, or comes with, > an expression pedal? I need it to do patch change and pedal-controlled > CCs, and I need it to work with the Repeater I'm definately buying in > November (ahem, Damon). > > -><- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 19:14:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13240; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:13:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:13:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <014c01c00eea$449c3d40$6ed85c18@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: Subject: Re: Kyma/max Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:14:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And to confuse the issue even more, I found several examples of folks using Max _and_ Kyma, though typically they ran them on separate machines (e.g. one Powerbook to act as the Kyma interface, the other to run Max). Though, I didn't find any examples of folks using Kyma and Max _with MSP all at the same time_. Paolo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Pask" To: Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 7:29 PM Subject: Re: Kyma/max > > If I had the time and money I'd get both. > Both are deep apps with strengths and weaknesses. > I got Max/Msp not knowing about about Kyma. > > I think at's also valuable to consider support. > Get on all the mailing lists and check out the communities which have grown > up around each app.Are they cool for newbies?Is the "parent" company > actively involved?Do they have a good rep for helping out their clients? > > Get demos and try some things out. > > Two things I will say for Max/Msp (not really knowing Kyma from a hole in > the road): > > -It happily uses most other good quality I/O hardware without fear of > conflict, so you can have another major audio app using the same set up. > > -There are many people developing some amazing add ons, the NATO image/video > processing package is right out there, blows Videolic away, and the > networking/cross platform/internet possibilties are getting more powerful > all the time. > > As seems to be the case, no one app will be the magic answer, the solution > will be some arduously attained and usually uniquely personal setup. > > L8r > > Andrew > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 19:56:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13880; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:55:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:55:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.247.11.41] From: "Dave Traver" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: gr 300 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:55:11 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2000 23:55:11.0837 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7FB90D0:01C00EEF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would like to use my (just aquired)gr 300 in my loops but I can't find a pickup that fits it's strange rectangular connection. Does anyone know where I can find one? Thanks for your help! Dave Traver ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 20:55:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14862; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:54:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:54:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <014c01c00eea$449c3d40$6ed85c18@tampabay.rr.com> References: <014c01c00eea$449c3d40$6ed85c18@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:54:05 -0700 To: From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Kyma/max Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can you write your own compiled DSP routines for Kyma? I am not sure if you can, and if you can, is it C code or Motorola 56k DSP code? Max/MSP comes with an SDK so people can write their own special-purpose modules. And they do. Looping in particular is a rather popular topic amongst MSP users and programmers. -Alex S. At 7:14 PM -0400 8/25/00, pvallad1 wrote: >And to confuse the issue even more, I found several examples of folks using >Max _and_ Kyma, though typically they ran them on separate machines (e.g. one >Powerbook to act as the Kyma interface, the other to run Max). > >Though, I didn't find any examples of folks using Kyma and Max _with MSP all >at the same time_. > >Paolo > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Andrew Pask" >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 7:29 PM >Subject: Re: Kyma/max > > > > > > If I had the time and money I'd get both. > > Both are deep apps with strengths and weaknesses. > > I got Max/Msp not knowing about about Kyma. > > > > I think at's also valuable to consider support. > > Get on all the mailing lists and check out the communities which have grown > > up around each app.Are they cool for newbies?Is the "parent" company > > actively involved?Do they have a good rep for helping out their clients? > > > > Get demos and try some things out. > > > > Two things I will say for Max/Msp (not really knowing Kyma from a hole in > > the road): > > > > -It happily uses most other good quality I/O hardware without fear of > > conflict, so you can have another major audio app using the same set up. > > > > -There are many people developing some amazing add ons, the NATO >image/video > > processing package is right out there, blows Videolic away, and the > > networking/cross platform/internet possibilties are getting more powerful > > all the time. > > > > As seems to be the case, no one app will be the magic answer, the solution > > will be some arduously attained and usually uniquely personal setup. > > > > L8r > > > > Andrew > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 21:45:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15555; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:43:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:43:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c00eff$2c2140c0$7e3e5d18@austin.rr.com> From: "Kevin Thomas" To: References: Subject: Re: gr 300 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:44:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I assume you have the floor unit?? You need an appropriate matched guitar to run this guitar synth. these would include the Roland GR303, 505, 707, 808 as well as the occasioanl Ibanezz, etc. You'll also need the special (and expensive) cable to go between the two. My suggestion? Keep an eye on Ebay for the guitar and cable... or sell me the GR300 :) drfuzz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Traver" To: Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 6:55 PM Subject: gr 300 > I would like to use my (just aquired)gr 300 in my loops but I can't find a > pickup that fits it's strange rectangular connection. Does anyone know where > I can find one? Thanks for your help! Dave Traver > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 23:42:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18078; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:40:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:40:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39A76A1D.3AEA1B69@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:56:31 -0700 From: Your Name Reply-To: switters@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gr 300 References: <005501c00eff$2c2140c0$7e3e5d18@austin.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Roland makes an adaptor that allows the current generation of pick-ups drive older synths and vice-versa. > > drfuzz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Traver" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 6:55 PM > Subject: gr 300 > > > I would like to use my (just aquired)gr 300 in my loops but I can't find a > > pickup that fits it's strange rectangular connection. Does anyone know > where > > I can find one? Thanks for your help! Dave Traver > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 23:55:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18323; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:54:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:54:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c00f10$d4bc56a0$03011eac@mlameyer02> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: (LONG) MIDI control (for loopers and other devices) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:50:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <4FeaWC.A.ddE.38zp5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Far out, nice conceptual outline. I've been thinking of making a foray into programming and the most interesting (and accessible for me) possiblity would be midi control programming. I'd like to write a simple usable midi loop sequencer. We'll see. I appreciate the thoughts though. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Cc: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 5:35 PM Subject: (LONG) MIDI control (for loopers and other devices) > [sorry... this is very long but I hope quite clear. > as you can see, I've been thinking about this for a long while... /t] > > > > GOALS IN WRITING MIDI CONTROL PROGRAMS > > zeroth priority: > ACHIEVABLE. must be able to make it work without too much work. > > first priority: > COMPLETE. as much functionality as possible needs to be > accessible from MIDI. > > second priority > CLEAR. it should be "obvious" (to a reasonably technical person) how to > access these functions from MIDI. More common > functions need to be > "more obvious". > > third priority > EFFICIENT. it needs to make reasonably efficient usage of the memory, > computational, audio and display facilities of the machine. > > > DEFINING OUR TERMS > > > A "MIDI command" or just a command is some bit of MIDI generated by the user > that's supposed to control the machine (ie, program changes, control changes, > pitch bends, NRPNs, system exclusives, etc...) > > > Conceptually, you can think of the machine's controls as having > a "state". (For the looper's MIDI control, the audio in the machine > isn't really part of the state.) > > You can talk about the state of the whole machine. > You can talk about the state of a part of the machine, like the state > of one channel. > Or, you can talk about the state of a single control. > > > Finally, "internal settings" or "settings" come in two flavours. > > Switches have two or more discrete settings, like "on"/"off" > or "audio/tap/internal". > > Dials have "continuous" settings, even though the granularity > of this might be quite small (or quite large...) For example, > dials would be "loop time (0.000-128.000 seconds)" > or "feedback level (1-8)". > > > So, we put together settings (switches or dials) into parts, and > then assemble the parts into the whole state of the machine. > > > WHAT IS THE PROBLEM AT HAND? > > We want to see how to map "MIDI commands" into changes to "internal settings". > > > > > SAMPLE MEMORY IS EXPENSIVE, USER TIME IS EXPENSIVE, > CONTROL MEMORY IS CHEAP, CONTROL PROCESSING IS CHEAP > > Suppose a user command is represented by a (wildly generous) 100 > bytes on average, > and the user has programmed 1000 commands, surely quite a few. > > The total memory consumed here is a measly 100K, or about one second > of stereo sampling. > > > Users (ie "musicians") are really unable to generate too many different sorts > of streams of information while actually using equipment. You can't generate > hex code on the fly! > > > Modern processors perform hundreds of millions of operations a second. > Processing audio takes many hundreds of thousands of operations a second. > One user has trouble generating a thousand control operations. > > This means techniques like "table lookups" or "linear interpolation" > are essentially "free" (a table lookup on a modern microprocessor might > take 100 nanoseconds!) and can be used if at all helpful. > > > > ON WITH IT! > > Without further ado, I'll present a nice, simple and general model for the MIDI > control of a machine. > > > A LIBRARY OF STATES > > You need to be able to recall the state of the entire machine by some > sort of name. > It's fine if these names are "1", "2", "3", etc. but text would be nice too. > > > BANKS OF COMMANDS > > Commands need to be organized by banks. (see control processing is > cheap above..) > There need to be a lot of banks possible. > > Informally, one bank == one song. > > > > A "bank" of commands describes exactly how "commands" are mapped into > "changes to the settings". > > A bank might conceptually say something like > > Program Change 1: recall state 1 > Program Change 2: set record on loop 1 to on > Program Change 3: set record on loop 1 to off > Program Change 4: - > Program Change 5: - > ... > CC1: loop 1 output (0-100) > CC2: - > CC3: - > > PITCH: - > > where of course we just don't store the empty areas in a bank. > > > WHY BANKS? > > It corresponds to the needs of your average player, where you have > a limited selection of controls that you need to behave differently > for different songs. > > > ANY CHANGE CAN BE MADE FROM ANY COMMAND > > Remember, your average guy has a few fairly limited control > sources so if he can only generate, say, program changes, then > he should be able to set all levels this way. > > Banks should be able to handle any MIDI data if at all possible: > PC, CC, note-on/off, aftertouch, you name it. Seems ridiculous > but you have to parse the MIDI stream anyway, it's very little > work to cover ALL the cases at the end. > > > WHAT SORT OF CHANGES ARE ALLOWED? > > any list of the following changes: > > set state to (value) > set bank to (value) > set dial/switch to (value) > increment/decrement dial by (value) > toggle switch up/down // loops > through all possible values > set dial to (start:end) // maps a > controller linearly > > > > SUMMARY > > A simple model of any MIDI machine is presented > where a user sends MIDI commands > to change the state of discrete switches and continuous dials. > > At any time, the machine has a "state" of all its switches and dials. > The user can store and recall multiple states in memory. > > The MIDI behaviour is controlled by a "bank" which maps MIDI commands > into state changes. > > > > APPENDIX: SUGGESTIONS FOR ENHANCEMENT > > Presets: There need to be some decent "preset banks" that expose the most > common functions to MIDI and to the most common foot pedals in their > initialized format. > > This idea pays for the bank idea on its own, if it works "out of the box" > with "all" the foot pedals "out of the box". > > > The Bank Command: There needs to be a command that goes off when you > select a bank. > If the rest of this worked, that would take 10 > minutes to implement. > > > Default Bank: If you had a little extra time, you could have a "default bank" > that would be searched if you didn't find the incoming command > in the current bank. > > Curves for dials: In the case of the "linear values" for the dial, it > would be very > nice to have arithmetic maps that would let you remap an > incoming controller. > This sort of thing is very useful because things > like "velocity" > or "breath control" (my favorite) are not linear in nature. > > Rev 2.0: In a later rev, once you had this structure, it might not > be to hard to > actually create some LFOs, envelopes, other free-running gizmos... > > > > ...electronic a capella madness ......... > ...extreme internet radio ... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 26 04:25:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23371; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 04:24:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 04:24:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 01:21:34 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Footpedals, Rampant Elitism. In-reply-to: <39A6CF2A.E4D353B5@earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:55 PM -0700 8/25/00, Your Name wrote: >Go with the Digital Music Corp. Ground Control. I needn't say much more. >It's >a great controller: powerful, versitile not that powerful. Of all the commands available in the midi spec, it implements exactly 2 - program change and continuous controller. (and the cc isn't that exciting.) Fine if all you want to do is change patches on multi-effects. > At around $300, it is THE poorman's >Bradshaw switcher. that much now? wow. $150 per midi command. :-) I paid $100 for a used pmc10. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 26 11:39:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26849; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:38:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:38:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39A81255.E6F1FC0E@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:54:18 -0700 From: Your Name Reply-To: switters@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Footpedals, Rampant Elitism. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, While your critique of the MIDI versitility is appropriate, I defend the use of the adjective "powerful." When used in conjunction with the GCX rackmount this unit is great; specifically because of the way the software lets you access the rack loops. With the 2.0 ROM update you can assign a pedals to function as indidual loop switches; thus allowing you to create banks that contain both multi command presets and individual pedal style switches. In a rig like my own, which relies heavily on dumb, non-MIDI pedals, this allows me to create multi-unit presets with the option of realtime modification. The pedal's construction is far more durable than most down market options and as I have never felt limited by its MIDI options (which allow me to start, stop, fade and switch audio loops on my JamMan just fine; in addition to providing contol for other units). Best, Sean From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 26 14:42:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28711; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:41:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:41:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39A8103C.D5350E95@voicenet.com> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:45:17 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: switters@earthlink.net CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gr 300 References: <005501c00eff$2c2140c0$7e3e5d18@austin.rr.com> <39A76A1D.3AEA1B69@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8v07wC.A.v_G.l8Aq5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Roland makes an adaptor that allows the current generation of pick-ups drive > older synths and vice-versa. I was under the impression that said pickup is no longer available. I will be glad to be proven wrong (please include the model or part # and I'll call Roland again myself!) According to roland tech and parts there is nothing currently manufactured that will run or adapt to the older 24 Pin cable jacks used by the GR300, GR700, etc etc... In order to run the GR300 you need an appropriate controller and the correct cable (which is no longer manufactured). As someone mentioned occasionally these items show up on Ebay but of course they are astronomically expensive anymore. There is no way to tap into the GR300 without said pickup *and* a guitar controller. For full information including a description of all parts and models of the early Roland guitar synths that use this cable see my webpage dedicated to the GR300, etc at: Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion/guitsyn.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 05:35:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA09124; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 05:33:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 05:33:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c01008$54bc8e40$496202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: Footpedals, Rampant Elitism. Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:22:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, i'm not really familiar with midi footpedals so this question might (or not) sound funny. do midi footpedals enable you to send more msgs to more channels with one step on it? and can you use expression pedals to control more things at the same time for example fade in on one channel and fade out on the other? also one question for damon: does electrix have any support in slovenia, europe? as this one probably isn't interesting for 99,99999% of ppl on this list you can mail me at: gregor.zavcer@radiostudent.si Thanks, gregor p.s.: how much do they cost? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 06:54:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09851; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 06:53:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 06:53:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 03:50:08 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Footpedals, Rampant Elitism. In-reply-to: <39A81255.E6F1FC0E@earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:54 AM -0700 8/26/00, Your Name wrote: >Kim, > > While your critique of the MIDI versitility is appropriate, I defend >the use >of the adjective "powerful." When used in conjunction with the GCX rackmount >this unit is great; specifically because of the way the software lets you >access >the rack loops. With the 2.0 ROM update you can assign a pedals to >function as >indidual loop switches; thus allowing you to create banks that contain both >multi command presets and individual pedal style switches. In a rig like my >own, which relies heavily on dumb, non-MIDI pedals, this allows me to create >multi-unit presets with the option of realtime modification. yes, like I said, it's fine if all you want to do is change patches on multi-effects, cause that is all it was designed to do. That's basically what you are doing, even though some of the effects are separate stomp boxes in your case. The GCX thing is nice, but as far as I can tell it is controlled by program change messages which all pedals send. So most any midi pedal should be able to work with it just fine, not just ground control. If you want to do other simple midi things, like send startsong/stopsong messages to a sequencer or drum machine, trigger samples from a sampler, play notes or chords on a synth while you play your instrument, etc., the ground control can't do that. You can't even download its program memory to a librarian program on PC and upload it later, so there's no backup. Many other midi pedals can do all these things. Since most people interested in looping are going to be interested in these types of applications, I think a limited midi controller pedal like the ground control is not a very good choice. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 07:15:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10193; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:13:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:13:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c01020$438ebe00$62f538cb@swoods> From: "steven" To: References: Subject: Re: Footpedals, Rampant Elitism. Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:13:50 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim For people who cannot get a PMC 10 is there any comparable quality alternative we can buy? It seems incredible as technology gets better in other areas a midi footcontroller is such a problem Thanks Steven Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Flint To: Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 8:50 PM Subject: Re: Footpedals, Rampant Elitism. > At 11:54 AM -0700 8/26/00, Your Name wrote: > >Kim, > > > > While your critique of the MIDI versitility is appropriate, I defend > >the use > >of the adjective "powerful." When used in conjunction with the GCX rackmount > >this unit is great; specifically because of the way the software lets you > >access > >the rack loops. With the 2.0 ROM update you can assign a pedals to > >function as > >indidual loop switches; thus allowing you to create banks that contain both > >multi command presets and individual pedal style switches. In a rig like my > >own, which relies heavily on dumb, non-MIDI pedals, this allows me to create > >multi-unit presets with the option of realtime modification. > > yes, like I said, it's fine if all you want to do is change patches on > multi-effects, cause that is all it was designed to do. That's basically > what you are doing, even though some of the effects are separate stomp > boxes in your case. The GCX thing is nice, but as far as I can tell it is > controlled by program change messages which all pedals send. So most any > midi pedal should be able to work with it just fine, not just ground > control. > > If you want to do other simple midi things, like send startsong/stopsong > messages to a sequencer or drum machine, trigger samples from a sampler, > play notes or chords on a synth while you play your instrument, etc., the > ground control can't do that. You can't even download its program memory to > a librarian program on PC and upload it later, so there's no backup. Many > other midi pedals can do all these things. Since most people interested in > looping are going to be interested in these types of applications, I think > a limited midi controller pedal like the ground control is not a very good > choice. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 17:37:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18169; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:35:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:35:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000827163244.00801cd0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:32:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Volume Pedal Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Everyone, With all the hi tech talk that goes on here, my question may seem silly. I'm recording soft, atmospheric, ambient pieces with an EDP and DigiTech 2112. I'm using a RFX volume pedal. One of those cheap deals from Guitar Center (is that a hint?). My problem is that the pedal (or, maybe it's the 2112) isn't "even." I'm not able to add expression to the sound because the sound may come up to abruptly, or sometimes, not at all. Are the more expensive pedals significantly better - smoother? If so, which ones? I've really spent mega time to get things even and responsive. The quest continues. Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 18:02:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18686; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:59:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:59:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200008272159.OAA11791@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:59:43 -0700 Subject: Re: Volume Pedal Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What is the imput and the output of your vp hooked up to?...STANNER ---------- >From: Michael Clark >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Volume Pedal Question >Date: Sun, Aug 27, 2000, 2:32 PM > >Hello Everyone, > >With all the hi tech talk that goes on here, my question may seem silly. > >I'm recording soft, atmospheric, ambient pieces with an EDP and DigiTech 2112. > >I'm using a RFX volume pedal. One of those cheap deals from Guitar Center >(is that a hint?). > >My problem is that the pedal (or, maybe it's the 2112) isn't "even." I'm >not able to add expression to the sound because the sound may come up to >abruptly, or sometimes, not at all. Are the more expensive pedals >significantly better - smoother? If so, which ones? > >I've really spent mega time to get things even and responsive. The quest >continues. > >Any help is appreciated. > >Thanks, > >Michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 18:03:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18873; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:02:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:02:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:59:07 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Footpedals, Rampant Elitism. In-reply-to: <000401c01020$438ebe00$62f538cb@swoods> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:13 AM -0700 8/27/00, steven wrote: >Kim >For people who cannot get a PMC 10 is there any comparable quality >alternative we can buy? I guess other choices besides the Digitech PMC-10 are the Lake-Butler Midigator, Roland FC-200, Rocktron AllAccess, Phil Rees MM5, and Yamaha MFC10. They all seem to have a complete set of midi commands, and then vary in the number of expression pedal inputs or the display or whatever. >It seems incredible as technology gets better in other areas a midi >footcontroller is such a problem The yamaha and the rocktron are still available, but the others have gone out of production and can only be found used. It is amazing, but I guess it isn't a very good market. Probably most people who need a good midi pedal already have it. It seems when one of these goes used they are not too much, maybe $100-200. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 18:20:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19212; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:19:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:19:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000827171801.0084b590@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:18:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Volume Pedal Question In-Reply-To: <200008272159.OAA11791@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So far, the set-up looks like this: Guitar to VP to DT 2112 to Berringer DeNoiser to EDP to amp. I'm getting noise (hiss) from the amp and a bit from the 2112, annoying artifacts from the 2112 and an erratic volume curve from the VP. I'm want the nice, Real Quiet (low, low hiss factor), violin sound so I can loop smoothly, evenly and atmospherically w/o building up too much noise. I'm getting a bit frustrated, but I'm not giving up! ;-) Thanks, Michael At 02:59 PM 8/27/00 -0700, you wrote: >What is the imput and the output of your vp hooked up to?...STANNER >---------- >>From: Michael Clark >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Volume Pedal Question >>Date: Sun, Aug 27, 2000, 2:32 PM >> > >>Hello Everyone, >> >>With all the hi tech talk that goes on here, my question may seem silly. >> >>I'm recording soft, atmospheric, ambient pieces with an EDP and DigiTech 2112. >> >>I'm using a RFX volume pedal. One of those cheap deals from Guitar Center >>(is that a hint?). >> >>My problem is that the pedal (or, maybe it's the 2112) isn't "even." I'm >>not able to add expression to the sound because the sound may come up to >>abruptly, or sometimes, not at all. Are the more expensive pedals >>significantly better - smoother? If so, which ones? >> >>I've really spent mega time to get things even and responsive. The quest >>continues. >> >>Any help is appreciated. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Michael >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 18:51:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19845; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:50:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:50:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c01079$026a9300$9283abd4@a6d4z2> From: "Luca" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20000827171801.0084b590@mail.airmail.net> Subject: R: Volume Pedal Question Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:49:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >...annoying artifacts from the 2112 and an erratic volume curve from the VP. >...so I can loop smoothly, evenly and atmospherically w/o building up too >much noise. are you sure not to have the 2112's noise gate in use ? if it is, you sure would have a non regular and smooth curve of the volume; with any volume pedal you will use. Try to switch the noise gate off or put it at the end of the effect's chain. As default it is usually at the start of the path, before the preamp. Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 19:51:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20648; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:49:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:49:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200008272348.QAA28502@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:48:30 -0700 Subject: Re: Volume Pedal Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well I hope you have an amp w/ effects loop-in my long(20 yrs) search for guitar tone and its manipulation you need a stong signal to start with-therefore the guitar should go straght to amp(pre) and then to processors(volume pedal included) then to power amp. By having the vp first you are not allowing a slamming signal to hit your pre-amp therefore belittling your overall guitar signal. All of the great guitar tones that you or I have ever heard have been dependent on the guitar pick-ups to preamp relationship. Also this allows for the vp to shut off any anomalies inherent in your system. You wont hear anything until you engage your vol. pedal.IMHO. I hope this helps...STANNER ---------- >From: Michael Clark >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Volume Pedal Question >Date: Sun, Aug 27, 2000, 3:18 PM > >So far, the set-up looks like this: > >Guitar to VP to DT 2112 to Berringer DeNoiser to EDP to amp. > >I'm getting noise (hiss) from the amp and a bit from the 2112, annoying >artifacts from the 2112 and an erratic volume curve from the VP. > >I'm want the nice, Real Quiet (low, low hiss factor), violin sound so I can >loop smoothly, evenly and atmospherically w/o building up too much noise. > >I'm getting a bit frustrated, but I'm not giving up! ;-) > >Thanks, > >Michael > >At 02:59 PM 8/27/00 -0700, you wrote: >>What is the imput and the output of your vp hooked up to?...STANNER >>---------- >>>From: Michael Clark >>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>Subject: Volume Pedal Question >>>Date: Sun, Aug 27, 2000, 2:32 PM >>> >> >>>Hello Everyone, >>> >>>With all the hi tech talk that goes on here, my question may seem silly. >>> >>>I'm recording soft, atmospheric, ambient pieces with an EDP and DigiTech >2112. >>> >>>I'm using a RFX volume pedal. One of those cheap deals from Guitar Center >>>(is that a hint?). >>> >>>My problem is that the pedal (or, maybe it's the 2112) isn't "even." I'm >>>not able to add expression to the sound because the sound may come up to >>>abruptly, or sometimes, not at all. Are the more expensive pedals >>>significantly better - smoother? If so, which ones? >>> >>>I've really spent mega time to get things even and responsive. The quest >>>continues. >>> >>>Any help is appreciated. >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Michael >>> >>> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 20:20:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21214; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:19:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:19:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39A9B014.4251D9A5@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:19:34 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: sine@zerocrossing.net Organization: ZeroCrossing Multimedia Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kim Flint , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Viva Electrix! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, Sorry Kim, I know and appreciate all you've done for looper kind, I'm just not all that impressed with Gibson and their knack for taking companies and products and killing them. (i.e. Opcode) I jammed with Jon El-Bizri a few days after the arrival of his new Echoplex. The unit didn't operate at all until he bought new memory for it. Gibson shipping a unit with bad memory is pretty bad in my opinion. How did something like that get through QC? I also seem to remember a lot of similar horror stories about Echoplex's being DOA, or soon after. Also, I know a lot of DJs that are interested in playing with me and the synch to beat feature of the Repeater seems like a great idea. If it's implemented well... now that's to be seen I guess. The Boomerang was never an option for me due to it's lack of Audio or Midi synch. Fickle? Maybe. I do know that I've bought gear from "Big" companies before and found them to be inferior to their smaller "more eager to bring down Golith" competition. I'd love to find out that the Echoplex is the unit that will win out, but I will be keeping my eyes wide open on this one. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 21:41:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22231; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:40:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:40:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Texture444@aol.com Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:39:06 EDT Subject: OT:WTB:EDP To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <7d.9a57fbc.26db1cba@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 1) anybody has one fer sale?, or 2) anyobody know where (in the usa) one can be gotten, quickly? i seek, for a friend. please email me privately, ifya gotta clue. thanks much! best, dt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 23:04:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23596; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:03:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:03:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JrsPLCE@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:01:57 EDT Subject: Roland TD-7 Stage Set Settings To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.1 for Windows sub 34 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com looking for TD-7 personal settings, anyone out there want to share would be greatly appreciated From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 23:57:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24515; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:56:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:56:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c010a3$3c1fbb00$803c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #179 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:51:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #179 August 24, 2000. On this show, I continued the month-long focus on space music pioneer Michael Stearns. The feature CD at Midnight was "Within the Nine Dimensions" on the Earth Turtle label. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Cyber Zen Sound Engine All Directions are Up Moonscapes: Enlightened (N-Light-N) Joe McMahon Fossil Rain Shatterday (Atomic City) Ash Ra Tempel Pikant Friendship (Manikin) Otarion Innovation Evolution (Neu Harmony) VA [RMI] Track #1 Concerts at Jodrell Bank (Neu Harmony) Artemiy Artemiev & MIR Space Icon (Electroshock) Peter Frohmader 12:00 am Michael Stearns Double Helix Within the Nine Dimensions (Earth Turtle) Michael Stearns To the Center WT9D (Earth Turtle) Michael Stearns Seven WT9D (Earth Turtle) Michael Stearns Of Earth WT9D (Earth Turtle) Michael Stearns Gateway WT9D (Earth Turtle) Michael Stearns Longing WT9D (Earth Turtle) Michael Stearns Telluric Realms WT9D (Earth Turtle) Michael Stearns Sutra WT9D (Earth Turtle) Michael Stearns Fluid Spheres of Earth* WT9D (Earth Turtle) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Michael Sterans. The feature CD at midnight will be "Spirits of the Voyage" on the Earth Turtle label. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 00:09:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24814; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:06:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:06:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <11.87411c3.26db3f1b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:05:47 EDT Subject: Re: Footpedals, Rampant Elitism. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 8/27/00 6:02:30 PM, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: >The yamaha and the rocktron are still available, but the others have gone >out of production The FC-200 is discontinued?? Didn't realize that; too bad! David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 01:00:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA25497; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:00:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:00:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:59:27 -0500 From: "Ben Porter" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: azrix@n2music.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Kyma/max X-Sender-Ip: 216.76.238.91 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, actually you can write your own code for Kyma, but it is DSP code and not C. I don't really know much about it though... That was mentioned in the Kyma/Orville debates because you can write your own objects for Kyma, but not Orville. I can see using Max and Kyma. I don't think that Kyma can do all of the things that Max can do invovling the control and creation of MIDI data. Ben Porter. -- On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:54:05 Alex Stahl wrote: >Can you write your own compiled DSP routines for Kyma? I am not sure >if you can, and if you can, is it C code or Motorola 56k DSP code? > >Max/MSP comes with an SDK so people can write their own >special-purpose modules. And they do. Looping in particular is a >rather popular topic amongst MSP users and programmers. > >-Alex S. > > >At 7:14 PM -0400 8/25/00, pvallad1 wrote: >>And to confuse the issue even more, I found several examples of folks using >>Max _and_ Kyma, though typically they ran them on separate machines (e.g. one >>Powerbook to act as the Kyma interface, the other to run Max). >> >>Though, I didn't find any examples of folks using Kyma and Max _with MSP all >>at the same time_. >> >>Paolo >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Andrew Pask" >>To: >>Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 7:29 PM >>Subject: Re: Kyma/max >> >> >> > >> > If I had the time and money I'd get both. >> > Both are deep apps with strengths and weaknesses. >> > I got Max/Msp not knowing about about Kyma. >> > >> > I think at's also valuable to consider support. >> > Get on all the mailing lists and check out the communities which have grown >> > up around each app.Are they cool for newbies?Is the "parent" company >> > actively involved?Do they have a good rep for helping out their clients? >> > >> > Get demos and try some things out. >> > >> > Two things I will say for Max/Msp (not really knowing Kyma from a hole in >> > the road): >> > >> > -It happily uses most other good quality I/O hardware without fear of >> > conflict, so you can have another major audio app using the same set up. >> > >> > -There are many people developing some amazing add ons, the NATO >>image/video >> > processing package is right out there, blows Videolic away, and the >> > networking/cross platform/internet possibilties are getting more powerful >> > all the time. >> > >> > As seems to be the case, no one app will be the magic answer, the solution >> > will be some arduously attained and usually uniquely personal setup. >> > >> > L8r >> > >> > Andrew >> > >> > > > What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 02:05:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26421; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 02:04:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 02:04:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:00:40 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Footpedals, Rampant Elitism. In-reply-to: <11.87411c3.26db3f1b@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:05 PM -0700 8/27/00, Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 8/27/00 6:02:30 PM, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > >>The yamaha and the rocktron are still available, but the others have gone >>out of production >The FC-200 is discontinued?? Didn't realize that; too bad! >David I looked on the Roland website and couldn't find it. Maybe it is still available but they are keeping it a secret, I don't know. It is too bad, it seemed like a pretty nice pedal. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 02:16:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26641; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 02:15:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 02:15:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000c01c010bf$e48e41a0$79f538cb@swoods> From: "steven" To: References: Subject: Re: Footpedals, Rampant Elitism. Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:16:27 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have seen a comment that the FC- 200 was discontinued (quite some time ago) I can't remember where I saw it written Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Flint To: Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 4:00 PM Subject: Re: Footpedals, Rampant Elitism. > At 9:05 PM -0700 8/27/00, Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 8/27/00 6:02:30 PM, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > > > >>The yamaha and the rocktron are still available, but the others have gone > >>out of production > >The FC-200 is discontinued?? Didn't realize that; too bad! > >David > > I looked on the Roland website and couldn't find it. Maybe it is still > available but they are keeping it a secret, I don't know. It is too bad, it > seemed like a pretty nice pedal. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 02:18:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26796; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 02:17:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 02:17:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [148.233.251.102] From: "Alejandro Martínez" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Volume Pedal Question Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 06:17:08 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2000 06:17:08.0253 (UTC) FILETIME=[980EA4D0:01C010B7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >So far, the set-up looks like this: > >Guitar to VP to DT 2112 to Berringer DeNoiser to EDP to amp. Part of this has to do with the way you´re connecting things and part with your Digitech, first of all, guitar MUST go first to the digitech, the way you´re connecting them is the same as moving yourself the volume pot on your guitar, the ideal way would be: guitar->digitech->volume pedal on the effects loop of digitech->EDP, to do the swells the ideal thing would be that the effects loop of the digitech would be located AFTER the preamp section (like on the digitech 2101) but if you connect it on the effects loop of the 2112 it will be the same as connecting it first in the chain (it just came after the compressor) which for me it´s implemented in a stupid way, if you connect your volume pedal after the digitech the only thing is that you´ll be cutting off the trail of your reverbs and delays BUT you can assingn an expression pedal on your digitech (assuming you have one) to control the input to the digital section, that will do the trick. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 02:52:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27145; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 02:51:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 02:51:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:51:28 -0500 From: "Ben Porter" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: azrix@n2music.com X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Re:Kyma/max X-Sender-Ip: 216.76.238.91 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, after reading everything it still seems like the biggest possible drawback of MSP is the latency and of Kyma is the size. How do you "compromise your playing style because of latency"? What kind of latency are we talking about here? I don't quite understand this. One thing about MSP is that it allows you to use VST effects inside of it. This means that you could just use something like Freeverb as the reverb instead of trying to emulate it or use another piece of equipment for reverb. It does use CPU power, but I think it would be better sounding and easier that trying to build your own reverb patches. You could also use reverbs by TC Works, Waves, Steinberg, etc. Ben Porter. -- On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:02:31 Gareth Whittock wrote: >I don't know about a fight. I have no allegiances - they're just tools. >If I found something better than Kyma tomorrow and I could afford it I'd >probably get it. One of the main reasons I got Kyma was I was getting >tired of compromising my playing style because of latency. I used to use >Audiomulch, (PC only) and got the latency right down on it though there >was some discernible delay. If you're a player you don't really want >that sort of thing getting in the way of your performance. I've had Kyma >for a few weeks now and there is no latency, (well 6 ms) also the sound >quality is impeccable which, when you're layering sounds many times, can >be important. The interface could do with tweaking - frankly it's a bit >clunky. The midi interface is comprehensive. You can trigger >sequences/processes etc. on the fly. It'll do dolby 5.1, 7.1, quad >stereo or mono. The processors are very powerful. You can record your >performance straight to hard disk pre or post effects, (or both) pre >effects means you can edit a performance without having to worry about >reverb tails etc. - nice! The reverb algorithms take up a fair amount of >DSP though so I'm thinking of getting a Lexicon and sending/returning >from Kyma - this can be done digitally. I'm trying to emulate freeverb >at the moment which may free up resources without draining DSP. Finally >the worst thing is having to drag a computer around with Kyma. Dennis >Leas tells me you can run it off a digital watch more or less so I'll be >looking for a second-hand laptop soon too. >Just realized I'm getting carried away - and using up valuable Kyma time >- must dash. > >Ciao for now, > >Gareth > >> >> Well, after the whole Kyma vs. Orville fight a few weeks ago, I thought I would ask about something that I've been thinking about. Lately, I've been heavily researching Max/MSP. But, I'm wondering how much better a Kyma system would be. >> >> I'm mostly interested in two aspects of the programs. One is live performance. The ability to send MIDI in (using some alternate MIDI controllers) and get audio out. I'm thinking mostly sampling, but maybe some synthesis and possibly some sound morphing (thanks for letting me know about that one!) and definitely some effects, looping, and mixing. The other would be sound design. Actually being able to create new and interesting sounds as well as modify and/or > > What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 03:18:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27554; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 03:17:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 03:17:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:21:56 -0700 Subject: gearhoundism: cheap 'n easy samplers? From: Benjamin Furstenberg To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, Sorry if this question has been discussed to the point of tedium, feel free to tell me to check archives or elsewhere. But I'm hoping to get people's current subjective takes and real-world experience while I'm comparing specs and eyeing the horizon. I'm toying with getting a cheap and fun sampler small enough to drop in my backpack to complement my set-up. I have a Kurzweil K2000RS which I'm still trying to get to know more profoundly, but am not having that much spontaneous sampling fun with, despite its power. I have a Kaoss Pad, which is fun but an unprogrammable toy. For the ref, also have Nord Modular, Lexi MPX 1, JamMan, Vortex, R-8M, etc. Let's say under $650, what has the most fun-to-fiddle-with and useful set of features for looping, spontaneous experimentalism with an emphasis on weirdness? The thought started while playing around with an SP-202, but then a friend recommended a Yamaha SU-200 which is 44.1/16 and has auto beat matching. Then the electribe sampler came out. Then the Roland SP 808 and the Yamaha SU-700 started to drop in price. Should I wait for the Repeater? Should I consider a S/W sampler, like Reaktor or Unity? Maybe this and a Peavey 1600x fader controller is the right combination of flexible, feelable, and fun...but not portably practical w/out a powerbook. I'm considering a Roland DJ-70 MkII for $650 but it seemed silly to get something 5 years old...wrong? It has SCSI, upto 32 MB RAM, a scratchwheel, BPM matching, roland's Realtime Phrase Sequencer and supposedly good filters, but no effects. The Sp-808 seemed better despite its poor SCSI. thanks for any advice, Ben SF CA USA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 03:37:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27832; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 03:36:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 03:36:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007c01c010c2$db61e660$bd99b8d4@0006303921043200861239070001> Reply-To: "Luis Angulo" From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: Cc: References: <11.87411c3.26db3f1b@aol.com> Subject: Re: Footpedals, Rampant Elitism. Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:36:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another option is for us to KEEP WRITTING to Voodoo lab info@voodoolab.com and motivate them to upgrade the Ground Control.If it only had on/off messages it would already be one of the best if not the best FC outhere. It´s the only one with a big led screen reminiscent of the lake butler and sends separate midi comands to different midi channels.I wrote them a couple of times and they seem to be interested in doing something about it.I know the big guys like Fripp,Gilmour, Gunn and others are using them! > > In a message dated 8/27/00 6:02:30 PM, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > > >The yamaha and the rocktron are still available, but the others have gone > >out of production > The FC-200 is discontinued?? Didn't realize that; too bad! > David > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 04:35:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28526; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 04:34:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 04:34:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 03:33:05 -0500 From: "Ben Porter" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: azrix@n2music.com X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Kyma/max X-Sender-Ip: 216.76.238.91 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well then, do you know of any mailing lists for Max? I've looked around and I've only found one still operating: the one on Cycling '74's website. I would also be interested in information about any mailing lists for Kyma. I was hoping I could get some info about each systems strengths and weaknesses on a deeper level than has been talked about. I knew about most of those things already talked about, but maybe I'm fishing for something that hard to explain without having used the systems? I'm not real sure about getting demos. I'll have to look into that. One thing, I don't have a Mac, otherwise you wouldn't be hearing from me and I would just be downloading the Max/MSP demo and deciding if it's what I want. My purchase of Max would also require the purchase of a Mac, and since I want to use this live I was thinking about getting a G3 Powerbook to use. If there is anyone on this list in the North Alabama/Huntsville area who has MSP or Kyma and would, at the very least, like to show it off, I'd love to hear from you. I feel like I'm in some kind of cultural vacuum in Alabama. And that all you guys out on the West Coast have all the fun! Well, if you can't tell, I'm trying to figure out whether or not Max and MSP will cut it for me and if it won't, I think I have to go with Kyma for the time being. Ben Porter. -- On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:29:31 Andrew Pask wrote: > >If I had the time and money I'd get both. >Both are deep apps with strengths and weaknesses. >I got Max/Msp not knowing about about Kyma. > >I think at's also valuable to consider support. >Get on all the mailing lists and check out the communities which have grown >up around each app.Are they cool for newbies?Is the "parent" company >actively involved?Do they have a good rep for helping out their clients? > >Get demos and try some things out. > >Two things I will say for Max/Msp (not really knowing Kyma from a hole in >the road): > >-It happily uses most other good quality I/O hardware without fear of >conflict, so you can have another major audio app using the same set up. > >-There are many people developing some amazing add ons, the NATO image/video >processing package is right out there, blows Videolic away, and the >networking/cross platform/internet possibilties are getting more powerful >all the time. > >As seems to be the case, no one app will be the magic answer, the solution >will be some arduously attained and usually uniquely personal setup. > >L8r > >Andrew > > What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 09:12:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30696; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:11:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:11:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:11:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Pafford X-Sender: todd@galen.local.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gearhoundism: cheap 'n easy samplers? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Benjamin Furstenberg wrote: > Hello, > Sorry if this question has been discussed to the point of tedium, feel free > to tell me to check archives or elsewhere. But I'm hoping to get people's > current subjective takes and real-world experience while I'm comparing specs > and eyeing the horizon. I'm toying with getting a cheap and fun sampler > small enough to drop in my backpack to complement my set-up. I have a > Kurzweil K2000RS which I'm still trying to get to know more profoundly, but > am not having that much spontaneous sampling fun with, despite its power. I > have a Kaoss Pad, which is fun but an unprogrammable toy. For the ref, also > have Nord Modular, Lexi MPX 1, JamMan, Vortex, R-8M, etc. Let me preface this by saying that I know next to nothing about samplers. :) I'm wondering, though, if a portable minidisc recorder wouldn't be a good solution. They have no specific loop features, but for grabbing sounds in a portable way I can't imagine a better tool. They're small enough that you can carry both the recorder, disks, and a stereo microphone in your pockets. When you get home you could just dump the tracks you recorded into your Kurzweil or whatever. I guess, though, if you're looking to create some sort of environmental music as you stroll down the side walk you'd need something else, but if you're just looking to grab sounds to play with later...well. Just a thought. :) --- "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake Todd Pafford galen@erols.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 09:49:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31264; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:48:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:48:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <030101c010f6$2b4909a0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: (LONG) MIDI control (for loopers and other devices) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:45:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <1mbfPC.A.8nH.f2mq5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Deep thoughts, Tom. Good thinking! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 10:44:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32042; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:43:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:43:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <031501c010fd$d118fd20$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <014c01c00eea$449c3d40$6ed85c18@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: Kyma/max Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:39:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <_83PjD.A.M0H.4pnq5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "Alex Stahl" > Can you write your own compiled DSP routines for Kyma? Yes. > I am not sure if you can, and if you can, is it C code or Motorola 56k DSP code? The Kyma SDK directly supports DSP assembler modules. In fact, Kyma comes with an assembler SDK. (There are secret incantations to enable it.) You can get C compilers, etc. from Motorola (free, I believe) and you could, in theory compile some C into assembler, tweak the assembler to fit the Kyma protocol, and use it. I've never done this; I just use the Kyma built-in tools. Most times, though, your DSP routines are quite short because Kyma provides a framework or protocol which "glues" the routines together. The framework enables your new DSP routine to work in the identical fashion as the factory routines. The framework supplies the input values and passes the output values to other routines, for example. It handles scheduling the execution of your routine on the proper DSP card. Here's a basic description: To maintain real-time response, each sound processing routine is called 44,100 times a second (at 44.1 kHz sampling rate). It is given a pair of input values (typically the left and right input sample points as each routine handles a stereo signal) and is responsible for producing a pair of output values. So each routine has an itty-bitty time slice to compute it's value. Consequently, each routine can be quite short and simple for typical functions. The connections between routines is specified by your signal flow diagram that you draw on the screen. > At 7:14 PM -0400 8/25/00, pvallad1 wrote: > >And to confuse the issue even more, I found several examples of folks using > >Max _and_ Kyma, though typically they ran them on separate machines (e.g. one > >Powerbook to act as the Kyma interface, the other to run Max). Yes, I think the combination would be quite good! I'm waiting for the Windows version of Max so I can do this too! I intend on using the same machine for Kyma and Max. From: "Ben Porter" > I was hoping I could get some info about each systems strengths and weaknesses on a deeper level than has been talked about. I knew about most of those things already talked about, but maybe I'm fishing for something that hard to explain without having used the systems? > . . . > If there is anyone on this list in the North Alabama/Huntsville area who has MSP or Kyma and would, at the very least, like to show it off, I'd love to hear from you. I feel like I'm in some kind of cultural vacuum in Alabama. And that all you guys out on the West Coast have all the fun! > Here's some ideas regarding Kyma. 1) Get a manual (cost was $35, probably still is). This is what I did. I wish Symbolic Sound freely distributed the manual. 2) Check out the new FAQ at http://www.symbolicsound.com/FAQ.html Lot's of good answers! 3) Get the audio demo CD of Kyma. I think it's free. 4) Call Symbolic Sound and ask if they can give you the name of somebody in your area. A number of universities have Kyma systems, for example. Here's some ideas regarding Max/MSP: 1) Download a manual. I think they're free. I did this and was quite impressed. 2) Maybe somebody on the list is in your area? Seems like there's a lot more Max/MSP users than Kyma users. Again, I'd try a local university. Can't beat seeing a product in action! 3) I'd count Alex and others on the LD list as "experts". Alex in particular is doing really cool things with his Max/MSP system. He could probably answer quite pragmatic questions about the system. (Did I just volunteer you, Alex? Hope it's alright!) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 10:58:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32368; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:57:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:57:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:56:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Volume Pedal Question In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20000827163244.00801cd0@mail.airmail.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry to weigh in so late... maybe this has already been addressed more accurately: i have 2 of those rfx pedals, some of them are dual-mode, volume & pan. if you have one of those make sure that the button on the side is set for the "volume" mode, not "stereo pan" mode. or, simply play at full volume all the time. not reason that "ambient" can't be "in yr face"! ;) rbrt On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Michael Clark wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > With all the hi tech talk that goes on here, my question may seem silly. > > I'm recording soft, atmospheric, ambient pieces with an EDP and DigiTech 2112. > > I'm using a RFX volume pedal. One of those cheap deals from Guitar Center > (is that a hint?). > > My problem is that the pedal (or, maybe it's the 2112) isn't "even." I'm > not able to add expression to the sound because the sound may come up to > abruptly, or sometimes, not at all. Are the more expensive pedals > significantly better - smoother? If so, which ones? > > I've really spent mega time to get things even and responsive. The quest > continues. > > Any help is appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 11:22:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01308; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:21:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:21:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:18:44 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Footpedals, Rampant Elitism. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA01249 Resent-Message-ID: <7pIR6C.A.wT.-Moq5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Kim said... >The GCX thing is nice, but as far as I can tell it is controlled by program change messages which all pedals send. So most any midi pedal should be able to work with it just fine, not just ground control. Actually Kim, it's controlled by cc control changes... 0 and 127 to toggle the relay. There are 8 relays and if you want to toggle the state of all of them, you need a pedal which will send 8 control changes AT ONCE. Therefore limiting your selection of controllers to ones which can do that. In all fairness to the Ground Control, I'd say it's pretty useful for 95% of what most of us need. Which is usually continuous control on multiple channels and program changes on multiple channels (not sure how many though). Instant multiple control changes are also possible and programmable to a button and it has provision for 2 ExPeds... Like Kim also said... It WILL NOT do note on / note off; start / stop; record and send sysex strings. If you want these types of events, you're going to be limited to maybe 2 or 3 controllers. The PMC-10 does all of this stuff, but beware... it really ISN'T that road worthy and DOES have potential s/w bugs which will throw it into a reinit and trash all your patches. It's not that reliable for restoring to if you have one of the buggy ones either. But... when it's working... IT'S THE BOMB!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nothing else comes close. Best regards, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 11:43:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01679; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:42:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:42:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: McCullaghJ@Logica.com Subject: Re: gearhoundism: cheap 'n easy samplers? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:40:16 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 28/08/2000 16:40:25 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [Benjamin:] > I'm toying with getting a cheap and fun sampler small enough to drop in > my backpack to complement my set-up. the Boss SP-202 is a fairly handy tool .. designed to be used in real-time, it's primary design was to replace 1 turntable in a standard 2-turntable DJ setup. Batteries, built-in mic & headphone socket for portable use. 4-voice polyphony (although this drops to 2 at "hi-fi" quality, which is < 44.1). About 300 Irish pounds, which translates to about US$ 340. [Tom:] > I'm wondering, though, if a portable minidisc recorder wouldn't > be a good solution. For grabbing sounds as you walk down the street, excellent. CD quality, random access and editing .. > They have no specific loop features actually, I have heard talk of people using these as loopers .. anyone got any experience of this? There is a "repeat track" play option, but, because of the way the ATRAC compression works, it has to buffer some of the track before it starts playing, and that causes a delay. might be a problem .. John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 11:51:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01958; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:50:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:50:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01c01107$99a451a0$91c7d8cc@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: Footpedals (was Rampant Elitism) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:49:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <3cqFx.A.9d.Iooq5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- >snip> > > In all fairness to the Ground Control, I'd say it's pretty useful for 95% of what most of us need. Which is usually continuous control on multiple channels and program changes on multiple channels (not sure how many though). Instant multiple control changes are also possible and programmable to a button and it has provision for 2 ExPeds... > > Like Kim also said... It WILL NOT do note on / note off; start / stop; record and send sysex strings. If you want these types of events, you're going to be limited to maybe 2 or 3 controllers. The PMC-10 does all of this stuff, but beware... it really ISN'T that road worthy and DOES have potential s/w bugs which will throw it into a reinit and trash all your patches. It's not that reliable for restoring to if you have one of the buggy ones either. But... when it's working... IT'S THE BOMB!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nothing else comes close. > > Best regards, > -Miko > > I bought my PMC for $100 used thru the Web on the advice of a fellow electronic musician to replace my Lake Butler Mitigator and found them to be very similar in terms of the types of messages sent. That being said, however, the ergonomics of the PMC are better and it has more "slots", two CC pedal jacks, and a small but more readable display. There is even software for the PMC (called Raymond--it blew up my patches, but I think it was user error--I tried to lower case the bank name, and the PMC doesn't support lower casing {??!!!}). The important point I wanted to make is, the PMC was sold by Digitech, a major musical instrument manufacturer. The design of the actually pedal is very similar to that of other Digitech models (Looks a lot like the 2120 footpedal, or my old IVL Pitchrider pedal). All the R&D has been done. There is obviously a need and demand for this type of unit. Isn't this a potentially profitable piece of equipment? What exactly would it take to resurrect the PMC-10? It does leave you wondering when a major player like Roland discontinues their full range foot controller. Isn't this something everyone will need when all men are brothers, oops, all machines are talking thru MIDI? (Don't tell me that day will never come) :) Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 12:13:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02770; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:12:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:12:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:53:47 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Volume Pedal Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00df01c01108$273725b0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <3.0.3.32.20000827163244.00801cd0@mail.airmail.net> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ernie ball makes the best volume pedal i have used. smooth curve, smooth action and built like a tank. it also stayes where you leave it anywhere in it's range. i am not familiar with the denoiser. does it use some kind of gate? if so, i think you want to control volume after the denoiser. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Clark" To: Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 4:32 PM Subject: Volume Pedal Question > Hello Everyone, > > With all the hi tech talk that goes on here, my question may seem silly. > > I'm recording soft, atmospheric, ambient pieces with an EDP and DigiTech 2112. > > I'm using a RFX volume pedal. One of those cheap deals from Guitar Center > (is that a hint?). > > My problem is that the pedal (or, maybe it's the 2112) isn't "even." I'm > not able to add expression to the sound because the sound may come up to > abruptly, or sometimes, not at all. Are the more expensive pedals > significantly better - smoother? If so, which ones? > > I've really spent mega time to get things even and responsive. The quest > continues. > > Any help is appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 12:38:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03255; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:37:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:37:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:38:28 -0700 Subject: Re: Kyma/max From: Andrew Pask To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00df01c01108$273725b0$080210ac@jpalmer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I was hoping I could get some info about each systems strengths and weaknesses > on a deeper level than has been talked about. I knew about most of those > things already talked about, but maybe I'm fishing for something that hard to > explain without having used the systems? Ah er um, Ben........ You married by any chance? :) L8r A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 12:58:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03790; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:56:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:56:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:52:01 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Footpedals (was Rampant Elitism) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA03700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > There is obviously a need and demand for this type of unit. Isn't this a potentially profitable piece of equipment? I get the feeling that most people who ergonimically need foot control (guitarists, bassists, horn players, ???) tend to also want simplicity (read: non-time-imposing implementation). So first off... most guitarists od on midi specs and programming minutae and don't really know they NEED a fully implemented pedal. Which leads the majority of them to less than fully featured pedals... leading the manufacturers to believe that there's not a big enough market for a fully implemented pedal. Sales of these pedals probably bear this out and voila! We get what we as for (as a mass demographic). > What exactly would it take to resurrect the PMC-10? I wish I knew... I've got two PMC-10's and wish there were some ongoing product development and support for them. > It does leave you wondering when a major player like Roland discontinues their full range foot controller. Isn't this something everyone will need when all men are brothers, oops, all machines are talking thru MIDI? (Don't tell me that day will never come) :) Gary I'm surprised that Roland has done this... They might have offered a little more information about the deeper features of this cool pedal though because it seems to do a lot more than product copy would lead you to believe. Although using hard coded cc numbers for the expression pedals leaves a lot of products out in the cold... (Waldorf and others using hard coding for their controller assignments). The ability to just assign even a single number to a pedal would be a LOT more flexible. Sigh... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 13:04:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04041; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:03:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:03:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:02:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gearhoundism: cheap 'n easy samplers? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 McCullaghJ@Logica.com wrote: my sharp portable doesn't do it - nor (disappointingly) does it have program play (so you can't just ply a single selection and have it stop on its own at the end...) i have a technics 19" that does offer program play. has loop as well, but i have not tried it as yet. it's a quandry - i'd love to use the sharp as part of my rig - but i can't stop recording with it! rbrt > > [Tom:] > > I'm wondering, though, if a portable minidisc recorder wouldn't > > be a good solution. > > For grabbing sounds as you walk down the street, excellent. CD quality, > random access and editing .. > > > > They have no specific loop features > > actually, I have heard talk of people using these as loopers .. anyone got > any experience of this? There is a "repeat track" play option, but, because > of the way the ATRAC compression works, it has to buffer some of the track > before it starts playing, and that causes a delay. might be a problem .. > > John > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 13:07:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04199; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:06:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:06:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:05:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Volume Pedal Question In-Reply-To: <00df01c01108$273725b0$080210ac@jpalmer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <1z7hQD.A.HBB.pvpq5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yow, isn't that one a lot like the classic sho-bud pedal? you can jack a volkswagen up on that one & do a break job on it while it's up there... carrying it around, you'll never have to use the nautilus again! rbrt On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, jim palmer wrote: > ernie ball makes the best volume pedal i have used. > smooth curve, smooth action and built like a tank. > it also stayes where you leave it anywhere in it's range. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 13:14:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04772; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:13:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:13:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001101c01113$326f9c40$d50978d8@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: Ernie Ball (was Volume Pedal Question) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:12:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com These units are made from cast aluminum--they are real solid, and there is a stereo model. However, they don't seem to do well as a CC pedal (with the Echoplex or PMC-10). Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "r. dennis" > yow, isn't that one a lot like the classic sho-bud pedal? > you can jack a volkswagen up on that one & do a break job on it while it's up there... > carrying it around, you'll never have to use the nautilus again! > rbrt > > On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, jim palmer wrote: > > ernie ball makes the best volume pedal i have used. smooth curve, smooth action and built like a tank. > > it also stayes where you leave it anywhere in it's range. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 13:23:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05550; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:22:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:22:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Ernie Ball (was Volume Pedal Question) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:20:59 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-To: <001101c01113$326f9c40$d50978d8@gary> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They do a great job as a CC pedal in a Ground Control though. Dave Eichenberger- guitars/loops/devices http://www.hazardfactor.com > > These units are made from cast aluminum--they are real solid, and > there is a > stereo model. However, they don't seem to do well as a CC pedal (with the > Echoplex or PMC-10). > Gary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 13:39:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06888; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:38:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:38:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <031501c010fd$d118fd20$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <014c01c00eea$449c3d40$6ed85c18@tampabay.rr.com> <031501c010fd$d118fd20$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:36:20 -0700 To: "Dennis W. Leas" , From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Kyma/max Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 9:39 AM -0500 8/28/00, Dennis W. Leas wrote: >on the LD list as "experts". Alex in particular is >doing really cool things with his Max/MSP system. He could probably answer >quite pragmatic questions about the system. (Did I just volunteer you, Alex? >Hope it's alright!) Hmm, it seems that you did just volunteer me, but as I was halfway through typing an email volunteering myself when I saw this, all I can say is thanks for saving me a few keystrokes. I can probably bore everyone with latency talk, for example. I feel that unless you are one of the musicians (whom I totally respect, by the way) who can't use monitor speakers because of the time it takes sound to travel ten feet from a speaker to your ears, then you can probably deal with MSP latency IF you get a brand-new fast machine (400Mhz G3 or better) and a sound I/O device with a buffer size of 64 samples or less. I use a MOTU 2408 and get latency below 7 milliseconds, which is less than the time it takes me to hear the sound from across the room. I have head that the Pulsar 2.0 card can achieve this latency as well, and this is an interesting combination since the Pulsar is somewhat Kyma-like since it has a LOT of onboard DSP hardware. Someone on the max list is using a Pulsar in a small, portable Magma expansion chassis connected to a powerbook. Sounds pretty portable to me... -Alex From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 15:07:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12350; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:06:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:06:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:07:41 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Volume Pedal Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <014301c01123$3d311bd0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <3n9xLC.A.e-C.Hgrq5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ha. my volume pedal wants to kill your mamma... ----- Original Message ----- From: "r. dennis" To: Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 12:05 PM Subject: Re: Volume Pedal Question > > > > yow, isn't that one a lot like > the classic sho-bud pedal? > > you can jack a volkswagen up on that one > & do a break job on it while it's up there... > > carrying it around, you'll > never have to use the nautilus again! > > rbrt > > On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, jim palmer wrote: > > > ernie ball makes the best volume pedal i have used. > > smooth curve, smooth action and built like a tank. > > it also stayes where you leave it anywhere in it's range. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 15:08:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12521; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:08:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:08:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:09:06 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Ernie Ball (was Volume Pedal Question) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <014901c01123$7024ee90$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <001101c01113$326f9c40$d50978d8@gary> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: <-IErL.A.M-C.Ggrq5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've only used it as a volume pedal. i only recently got an edp and haven't yet tried it as feedback control but i am pretty sure the pot is the wrong resistance... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 12:12 PM Subject: Ernie Ball (was Volume Pedal Question) > These units are made from cast aluminum--they are real solid, and there is a > stereo model. However, they don't seem to do well as a CC pedal (with the > Echoplex or PMC-10). > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "r. dennis" > > > yow, isn't that one a lot like the classic sho-bud pedal? > > you can jack a volkswagen up on that one & do a break job on it while it's > up there... > > carrying it around, you'll never have to use the nautilus again! > > > rbrt > > > > On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, jim palmer wrote: > > > ernie ball makes the best volume pedal i have used. smooth curve, smooth > action and built like a tank. > > > it also stayes where you leave it anywhere in it's range. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 15:12:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12924; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:11:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:11:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:14:29 -0700 Subject: (longish) gearhoundism: MD/CD From: Benjamin Furstenberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is long, but I hope useful and thorough and not too rambling... > Just a thought. :) Its a good thought. In fact I tried this recently. Guitar Center has a bundle from Sony which includes MZ-R37SP and stereo mic, the ECM-MS907 for around $200. It seemed like a good deal with the mic. All and all, I was impressed with the potential for fun. I love field recording and those who integrate it with music (see a favorite of mine: www.quietamerican.org ). The recorder looked as inconspicuous as a walkman, but was even smaller and lighter and easier to carry. Disappointingly, it didn't have a digital out, just a digital in, which I didn't test. I think this limitation is the attempt by the corporations to limit people's ability to make digital copies of commercial music, which is ridiculous since its so easy by other methods. I've heard that almost no MDs have digital outs, which makes them less appealing. I'm not a total res-head but its nice to have the option, since I later in the process I might have to go from D to A to D again, and it starts to really not sound nice when you do that. I suppose I could've just used the analogue-only as an opportunity to run it through some nice tube pre/comp to warm up the digital sterility a bit. (In the market for a hopefully tube dual-channel mic pre/dynamics unite for warming up digital stuff...anyone have suggestions?). The mic seemed to introduce a slight white noise into it, but it wasn't too bad, less than tape hiss, and probably seemed louder because of the over all clarity of the MD. People have slagged MD because it's a compressed format. Sure, I wouldn't use it to mix down on to, but it sounded fine to my ears as a remote recorder. A fraction of the price of a portable DAT, so if it got lost, damaged, stolen, I could have a beer and regain my positive mental attitude. Anyway, I would invest in a different mic eventually, but this one had a switachable 90/270 stereo polar pattern to make it more or less directional and sounded good for starters. One that interests me is this guy in Portland who make supposedly really high quality tiny stereo mics that you wear on your head and it looks not dissimilar to wearing a walkman (discrete!) and successfully reproduces the psychoaccoustic effect of your listening perspective. See that link above, as he links to the maker. The flexibility of the non-linear random-access HD-recording-like aspect was great and super convenient. Add index points, jump around instantly, delete track 7 or part of it but keep everything else, copy, all the things you can't really do with tape. I'm returning the bundle though. For *one* serious reason. There is a user interface design flaw in my opinion. It is WAY too easy to erase the entire contents of the disk. If you go through the procedure of erasing one track and accidentally press "enter" twice, there goes everything with w/ no chance of restoring. Sure, I'm an idiot, but this was easy too do while erasing a bunch of bad takes in a row; it ought to be easy but idiot-proof. This happened a couple of times and I grew to hate the unit, as I'd gathered some interesting stuff...now just a lost sock in the laundrymat of digital oblivion. Didn't know to try looping with it. May get another soon if I can find a cheap one that works better for my needs. Side note, has this list discussed CD-DJ-turntables? I got a used Pioneer CDJ 700s and its really fun. This and a CD burner are a potent combination. This thing loops, does a granular time compress/expand (not to extremes unfortunately) w/out pitch change, lets you dynamic jog-scrub (would be nice if you could choose the segment time), gives you a cue point that you can use like a sample trigger (would be nice to have multiple), and of course lets you speed up or slow down. I use it with the Korg ChaosPad and I can sort of beat-juggle. (No, I don't think I'm as cool Kid Koala or Q-bert but I don't want to really imitate them.) There is this guy Lesser who plays with Kid 606 and Matmos in a group called Disk; he seems to find random discarded CDs from the cultural detritus heap and creates improvised scratching performances to create something new from this sonic trash. Inspiring. hope this is interesting or useful, Ben > From: Todd Pafford > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:11:33 -0400 (EDT) > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: gearhoundism: cheap 'n easy samplers? > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:13:09 -0400 > > On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Benjamin Furstenberg wrote: > >> Hello, >> Sorry if this question has been discussed to the point of tedium, feel free >> to tell me to check archives or elsewhere. But I'm hoping to get people's >> current subjective takes and real-world experience while I'm comparing specs >> and eyeing the horizon. I'm toying with getting a cheap and fun sampler >> small enough to drop in my backpack to complement my set-up. I have a >> Kurzweil K2000RS which I'm still trying to get to know more profoundly, but >> am not having that much spontaneous sampling fun with, despite its power. I >> have a Kaoss Pad, which is fun but an unprogrammable toy. For the ref, also >> have Nord Modular, Lexi MPX 1, JamMan, Vortex, R-8M, etc. > > > Let me preface this by saying that I know next to nothing about samplers. > :) > > I'm wondering, though, if a portable minidisc recorder wouldn't be a good > solution. They have no specific loop features, but for grabbing sounds in > a portable way I can't imagine a better tool. They're small enough that > you can carry both the recorder, disks, and a stereo microphone in your > pockets. When you get home you could just dump the tracks you recorded > into your Kurzweil or whatever. > > I guess, though, if you're looking to create some sort of environmental > music as you stroll down the side walk you'd need something else, but if > you're just looking to grab sounds to play with later...well. > > Just a thought. :) > > --- > "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear > to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake > > Todd Pafford galen@erols.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 15:36:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15273; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:33:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:33:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39AAB68D.B71CEA1A@dial.pipex.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:59:25 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock Organization: smtp.dial.pipex.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Kyma/Max References: <200008281312.JAA30756@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > How do you "compromise your playing style because of latency"? What kind of latency are we talking about here? I don't quite understand this. Well, if you play a note and don't hear it for say 100 ms you may find it a little off-putting - try it. > > One thing about MSP is that it allows you to use VST effects inside of it. This means that you could just use something like Freeverb as the reverb instead of trying to emulate it or use another piece of equipment for reverb. It does use CPU power, but I think it would be better sounding and easier that trying to build your own reverb patches. You could also use reverbs by TC Works, Waves, Steinberg, etc. > Yes the ability to use VST plugins is a real bonus some of the interfaces were really cool. I had quite a collection when using Audiomulch and I've been emulating them as an exercise in understanding Kyma. Kyma though takes you much further. I'm now triggering drum samples into loops via my guitar with the strength of the note dictating the pitch and strength of the sample. I also got a bank of detuned sawtooth oscillators tracking my playing fed into a low pass filter controlled via a MIDI foot pedal going into a delay and finally reverb. I'm not saying Kyma's perfect, in fact it doesn't feel particularly intuitive to me but maybe I'm just stuck in my ways. I like Audiomulch and I've been thinking in AM terms for over a year but I am starting to dream in Kyma now! Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 15:55:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16133; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:54:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:54:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:53:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Query re: Electrix Repeater Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just have one question: Is it stereo? My rig is full stereo (stereo guitar feeds, stereo amps, stereo FX loops, stereo speakers, etc..etc..) The only issue with the Echoplex for me is that concocting a stereo setup would be prohibitively expensive for me. -Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 16:39:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17528; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:37:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:37:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:34:44 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: RE: Electrix Repeater Stereo Capability Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA17405 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> crash@waste.org 08/28/00 12:53PM >>> Todd Madson asks... > I just have one question: Is it stereo? My belief is that it's of the same architecture as the Bob Sellon JamMan mod. Which is 4 mono loops *pannable* in the stereo field. Which means... If you can arm 2 channels and simultaneously "tap" the start and stop points of both those channels, you're indeed flying in "true" stereo and able to retain the stereo movement from pre-processors creating motion. If you can only arm and tap on 1 of the 4 loops, then you'll lose stereo information. Electrix? What is the recording capability of the Repeater? Can you arm and record multiple loops? Best regards, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 16:44:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18049; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:43:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:43:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:30:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: Query re: Electrix Repeater Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Todd, check out the back panel of the Repeater at: http://www.electrixpro.com/repeater.htm It would seem to me that it's stereo. Now if the loops are summed to mono, ala JamMan or DL4, i don't know... Damon? Is the Repeater going to have a discreet stereo path for the loops? rich >I just have one question: >Is it stereo? > >My rig is full stereo (stereo guitar feeds, stereo amps, stereo >FX loops, stereo speakers, etc..etc..) > >The only issue with the Echoplex for me is that concocting a >stereo setup would be prohibitively expensive for me. > >-Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 16:45:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18286; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:45:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:45:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:44:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Madson To: Mike Biffle cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Electrix Repeater Stereo Capability In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guess I should be more clear with my purpose: I'd like to give it a stereo feed from my Lexicon Vortex and loop the results in stereo, live, to a stereo amp/speakers setup. -Todd On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Mike Biffle wrote: > >>> crash@waste.org 08/28/00 12:53PM >>> Todd Madson asks... > > I just have one question: Is it stereo? > > My belief is that it's of the same architecture as the Bob Sellon JamMan mod. Which is 4 mono loops *pannable* in the stereo field. Which means... > > If you can arm 2 channels and simultaneously "tap" the start and stop points of both those channels, you're indeed flying in "true" stereo and able to retain the stereo movement from pre-processors creating motion. If you can only arm and tap on 1 of the 4 loops, then you'll lose stereo information. > > Electrix? What is the recording capability of the Repeater? Can you arm and record multiple loops? > > Best regards, > -Miko > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 16:55:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19357; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:54:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:54:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: jim@hemlock.violacea.com Message-ID: <39AAD1CA.273C7168@jguru.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:55:38 -0600 From: Jim Coker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: azrix@n2music.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kyma/max References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ben Porter wrote: > Yes, actually you can write your own code for Kyma, but it is DSP code and not C. Yes, 56309 Assembler code. It's a royal PITA to write. You have to do all sorts of nasty hand optimiztaions to get good performance -- things that a C compiler cannot do. Writing VST or MAS plugins is much, much easier. It's much better to buy more DSP cards and not spend the time doing the DSP programming, unless you have already written lots of 56K Assembler. Many things that some think may require assembler can actually be done by putting short scripts here and there, or by taking a brute force approach. It's always a trade off between time and money. I don't really know much about it though... That was mentioned in the Kyma/Orville debates because you can write your own objects for Kyma, but not Orville. > > I can see using Max and Kyma. I don't think that Kyma can do all of the things that Max can do invovling the control and creation of MIDI data. Max is highly effective for processing MIDI, and can complement Kyma very well in that regard. Jim > > Ben Porter. > -- > > On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:54:05 Alex Stahl wrote: > >Can you write your own compiled DSP routines for Kyma? I am not sure > >if you can, and if you can, is it C code or Motorola 56k DSP code? > > > >Max/MSP comes with an SDK so people can write their own > >special-purpose modules. And they do. Looping in particular is a > >rather popular topic amongst MSP users and programmers. > > > >-Alex S. > > > > > >At 7:14 PM -0400 8/25/00, pvallad1 wrote: > >>And to confuse the issue even more, I found several examples of folks using > >>Max _and_ Kyma, though typically they ran them on separate machines (e.g. one > >>Powerbook to act as the Kyma interface, the other to run Max). > >> > >>Though, I didn't find any examples of folks using Kyma and Max _with MSP all > >>at the same time_. > >> > >>Paolo > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Andrew Pask" > >>To: > >>Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 7:29 PM > >>Subject: Re: Kyma/max > >> > >> > >> > > >> > If I had the time and money I'd get both. > >> > Both are deep apps with strengths and weaknesses. > >> > I got Max/Msp not knowing about about Kyma. > >> > > >> > I think at's also valuable to consider support. > >> > Get on all the mailing lists and check out the communities which have grown > >> > up around each app.Are they cool for newbies?Is the "parent" company > >> > actively involved?Do they have a good rep for helping out their clients? > >> > > >> > Get demos and try some things out. > >> > > >> > Two things I will say for Max/Msp (not really knowing Kyma from a hole in > >> > the road): > >> > > >> > -It happily uses most other good quality I/O hardware without fear of > >> > conflict, so you can have another major audio app using the same set up. > >> > > >> > -There are many people developing some amazing add ons, the NATO > >>image/video > >> > processing package is right out there, blows Videolic away, and the > >> > networking/cross platform/internet possibilties are getting more powerful > >> > all the time. > >> > > >> > As seems to be the case, no one app will be the magic answer, the solution > >> > will be some arduously attained and usually uniquely personal setup. > >> > > >> > L8r > >> > > >> > Andrew > >> > > >> > > > > > > > What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. > http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 16:58:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19606; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:57:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:57:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:44:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: RE: Electrix Repeater Stereo Capability Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopaholics, Just fowarding a bit of info i got from Damon at Electrix last week regarding the Repeater...If this hits the shelves when they say it will, warm up your pocketbooks! >From: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" >To: rich >Repeaters FX send will allow you to put FX on the input so you can record >them into the loop and then with a few button pushes put the FX back on the >output. No repatching involved. > > >Best Regards, > >Damon Langlois >Creative Director >Electrix / IVL >"No Creative Barriers" >Tel (250) 544-4091 Fax (250) 544-4100 >http://www.electrixpro.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: rich [mailto:rich@nuvision.com] >Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 10:53 AM >To: Damon Langlois ( Electrix ) >Subject: Live Rig... > > >Hi Damon! > >Just getting back to you with those pics i promised you. I have two pics >for you, and i will send them seperately... > >This first one is of my live setup. Once i brought it into the studio, it >made me realize just how many damn buttons and dials there are!! Geez, >sometimes this rig IS the instrument i guess. I often wonder if i am >losing touch with actually playing an instrument, rather than twiddling >knobs. With you guys catering to the DJ/Remix crowd, though, i don't >imagine you think that's too much of a problem! > >Anyway, as you can tell, i love real-time looping. This rig is pretty >flexible, and i really like the addition of the Electrix gear. Right now >it's at the end of the chain before going to the amp (although i didn't >have it wired in in the photo...doh!), so i will usually get what i want on >the JamMan, and then start manipulating the sounds on the Electrix, and >then i can hit the a/b box, which cuts out the signal going to the >JM/Electrix rig and i can do more independent stuff on the floorboard >goodies. > >I really wish there was a more flexible 'patching' configuration, where i >could get something on the JamMan, manipulate with the Electrix, and >then...if i wanted, i could put the Electrix gear BEFORE the JamMan, all in >real time. I think there is a product called a SwitchBlade which is a >complex patchbay/routing unit, but it very expensive. So we shall have to >do with the rig as it is for awhile. God knows i can get myself into >enough trouble with this! > >Best Regards, > >Rich Atkinson > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 19:02:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23202; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:01:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:01:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f201c01143$d6c83560$7b8ce33e@0006303921043200861239070001> Reply-To: "Luis Angulo" From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <002c01c01107$99a451a0$91c7d8cc@gary> Subject: Re: Footpedals (was Rampant Elitism) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:29:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gary, A couple of years ago i was right on this topic out of my own necessity, looking for a reliable FC, writting to Digitech and Digital Music Corp., about possible reissues or upgrades.DMC showed a bit of interest at least by writting back and saying an upgrade is something they would consider, but i don´t think they realize how many of us are serious about it.As far as Digitech goes they haven´t showed any interest although i wrote and even called many times.They once send me an upgrade for my PMC 10 since it was defective but it still didn´t make a difference. It crashed on me twice right on stage and i finally said goodbye to it. Any piece of equipment not cutting it on the road is to me only a toy! Luis P.S. (By the way send the guys at Digital Music Corp.this e-mails maybe they will do something about it!) > > > What exactly would it take to > resurrect the PMC-10? > It does leave you wondering when a major player like Roland discontinues > their full range foot controller. Isn't this something everyone will need > when all men are brothers, oops, all machines are talking thru MIDI? (Don't > tell me that day will never come) :) > Gary > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 19:03:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23302; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:02:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:02:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00f301c01143$d777af40$7b8ce33e@0006303921043200861239070001> Reply-To: "Luis Angulo" From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: Subject: Re: Footpedals (was Rampant Elitism) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:45:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I get the feeling that most people who ergonimically need foot control (guitarists, bassists, horn players, ???) tend to also want simplicity (read: non-time-imposing implementation). So first off... most guitarists od on midi specs and programming minutae and don't really know they NEED a fully implemented pedal. Which leads the majority of them to less than fully featured pedals... leading the manufacturers to believe that there's not a big enough market for a fully implemented pedal. Sales of these pedals probably bear this out and voila! We get what we as for (as a mass demographic). you are absolutely right Mike and the simplest things are the hardest to come by.I still find it strange that something so essential as note on /off is not impemented on many FC´s. Almost all effects proccessors to my experience have tap delays,or a bypass function which must be triggered by this comand.Then again most of them try to sell you its respective crapy FC! > > > What exactly would it take to resurrect the PMC-10? I hate to sound pessimistic but i don´t think we have a chance with this one. The Ground Control by Digital Music Corp.? Perhaps if we insist! Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 20:06:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24561; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:04:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:04:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [148.233.251.185] From: "Alejandro Martínez" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gearhoundism: cheap 'n easy samplers? Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:03:56 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2000 00:03:56.0497 (UTC) FILETIME=[9FF19410:01C0114C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm toying with getting a cheap and fun sampler >small enough to drop in my backpack to complement my set-up. Hi, you might check the Harmony Central web page: http://www.harmony-central.com/ they just made an useful article about the kind of samplers you´re looking for. Alex. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 20:07:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24598; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:05:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:05:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c0114c$640352e0$0100a8c0@we.mediaone.net> From: "Om_Audio" To: References: Subject: Re: (longish) gearhoundism: MD/CD Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:02:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a pair of binaural mics from Core sound- they are fantastic and worth every penny of $90 I paid for them- I use them with a Sharp MD-MS702 and I love it- I have repeat all or 1 option too- but no "play 1 track and stop" feature. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Benjamin Furstenberg" To: Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 12:14 PM Subject: (longish) gearhoundism: MD/CD One that interests me is > this guy in Portland who make supposedly really high quality tiny stereo > mics that you wear on your head and it looks not dissimilar to wearing a > walkman (discrete!) and successfully reproduces the psychoaccoustic effect > of your listening perspective From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 21:32:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26470; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:31:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:31:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601c01161$1c9683e0$9ef538cb@swoods> From: "steven" To: References: Subject: Re: Footpedals (was Rampant Elitism) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:24:25 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why dont we or someone approach them to upgrade the Ground Control I think Josh Fiden would listen if someone from the group with advanced skills made representation on our behalf with some numbers perhaps of interested people maybe. Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Biffle To: ; Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 2:52 AM Subject: Re: Footpedals (was Rampant Elitism) > > There is obviously a need and demand for this type of unit. Isn't this a potentially profitable piece of equipment? > > I get the feeling that most people who ergonimically need foot control (guitarists, bassists, horn players, ???) tend to also want simplicity (read: non-time-imposing implementation). So first off... most guitarists od on midi specs and programming minutae and don't really know they NEED a fully implemented pedal. Which leads the majority of them to less than fully featured pedals... leading the manufacturers to believe that there's not a big enough market for a fully implemented pedal. Sales of these pedals probably bear this out and voila! We get what we as for (as a mass demographic). > > > What exactly would it take to resurrect the PMC-10? > > I wish I knew... I've got two PMC-10's and wish there were some ongoing product development and support for them. > > > It does leave you wondering when a major player like Roland discontinues their full range foot controller. Isn't this something everyone will need when all men are brothers, oops, all machines are talking thru MIDI? (Don't tell me that day will never come) :) Gary > > I'm surprised that Roland has done this... They might have offered a little more information about the deeper features of this cool pedal though because it seems to do a lot more than product copy would lead you to believe. Although using hard coded cc numbers for the expression pedals leaves a lot of products out in the cold... (Waldorf and others using hard coding for their controller assignments). The ability to just assign even a single number to a pedal would be a LOT more flexible. > > Sigh... > -Miko > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 22:00:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27084; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:59:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:59:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002301c0115c$bd7ca5a0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <005301c00ee6$b1491e80$9bdbe33e@0006303921043200861239070001> Subject: Re: Viva Electrix! Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:59:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <-demqC.A.smG.djxq5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm in too... Got some $$$ in a CD that will mature in November, just in time for me to blow it on a Repeater. Can't wait. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Angulo" To: Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 6:47 PM Subject: Re: Viva Electrix! > Sounds great Damon i can´t wait to have one!!!! > Cheers > Luis > > > > > > Repeater is our first product to have an instrument input on the front > > panel. This should make guitar players and other "instrumentalists" very > > happy. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 22:10:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27383; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:09:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:09:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002301c0115c$bd7ca5a0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> References: <005301c00ee6$b1491e80$9bdbe33e@0006303921043200861239070001> <002301c0115c$bd7ca5a0$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:07:20 -0700 To: From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: mature CD's Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I'm in too... Got some $$$ in a CD that will mature in November, just in >time for me to blow it on a Repeater. Can't wait. > Harumph, I've spent years and $$$ making mature CD's, and still no one buys 'em. 8-) -Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 22:31:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28219; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:25:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:25:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: mature CD's Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:23:40 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3xgHzD.A.a3G.j7xq5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hell, I'll buy one! Send me the info. privately. | -----Original Message----- | From: Alex Stahl [mailto:alex@pixar.com] | Sent: Monday 28 August 2000 7:07 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com | Subject: Re: mature CD's | | | >I'm in too... Got some $$$ in a CD that will mature in | November, just in | >time for me to blow it on a Repeater. Can't wait. | > | | Harumph, I've spent years and $$$ making mature CD's, and still no | one buys 'em. | | 8-) | | -Alex S. | | From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 23:57:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29612; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:57:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:57:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200008290355.UAA27720@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:56:09 -0700 Subject: Re: Viva Electrix! From: "Stan Card" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id XAA29553 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com eye wont 1 2...STANNER ---------- >From: "Peter Shindler" >To: >Subject: Re: Viva Electrix! >Date: Mon, Aug 28, 2000, 6:59 PM > >I'm in too... Got some $$$ in a CD that will mature in November, just in >time for me to blow it on a Repeater. Can't wait. > > >Peter > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Luis Angulo" >To: >Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 6:47 PM >Subject: Re: Viva Electrix! > > >> Sounds great Damon i can´t wait to have one!!!! >> Cheers >> Luis >> >> >> >> >> > Repeater is our first product to have an instrument input on the front >> > panel. This should make guitar players and other "instrumentalists" very >> > happy. >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 00:00:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29823; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:59:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:59:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008f01c0116d$a86b84e0$2bd85c18@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: Subject: Re: gearhoundism: cheap 'n easy samplers? Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:59:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <5-hjAD.A.BRH.jTzq5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here are the direct URLs: Budget Phrase Sampler reviews (Roland SP202 vs Yamaha SU200): http://www.harmony-central.com/Reviews/PhraseSamplers/ Korg Electribe S Review: http://www.harmony-central.com/Reviews/Electribe/ And if that ain't enough, the Synth Database: http://www.harmony-central.com/Synth/Data/ There's a few other user review sites out there like http://www.sonicstate.com/ Paolo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alejandro Martínez" To: Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 8:03 PM Subject: Re: gearhoundism: cheap 'n easy samplers? > > I'm toying with getting a cheap and fun sampler > >small enough to drop in my backpack to complement my set-up. > > Hi, you might check the Harmony Central web page: > http://www.harmony-central.com/ they just made an useful article about the > kind of samplers you´re looking for. > Alex. > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 00:04:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29996; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:02:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:02:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009701c0116e$201b2ae0$2bd85c18@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: Subject: Minidisc recorder Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:03:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Pafford" To: Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 9:11 AM Subject: Re: gearhoundism: cheap 'n easy samplers? > I'm wondering, though, if a portable minidisc recorder wouldn't be a good > solution. They have no specific loop features, but for grabbing sounds in > a portable way I can't imagine a better tool. They're small enough that > you can carry both the recorder, disks, and a stereo microphone in your > pockets. When you get home you could just dump the tracks you recorded > into your Kurzweil or whatever. I bought one (Sony) for recording my Indian vocal lessons. It's been a lifesaver. I'll probably use it to start recording my experiments after I get more familiar with my new toys (Handsonic, Line 6 DL4) and start looping with them. Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 00:14:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30336; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:13:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:13:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009f01c0116f$ac67cde0$2bd85c18@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: Subject: Re: gearhoundism: cheap 'n easy samplers? Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:14:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Benjamin Furstenberg" To: Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 3:21 AM Subject: gearhoundism: cheap 'n easy samplers? > Let's say under $650, what has the most fun-to-fiddle-with and useful > set of features for looping, spontaneous experimentalism with an emphasis on > weirdness? The thought started while playing around with an SP-202, but > then a friend recommended a Yamaha SU-200 which is 44.1/16 and has auto beat > matching. Then the electribe sampler came out. Then the Roland SP 808 and > the Yamaha SU-700 started to drop in price. Should I wait for the Repeater? > Should I consider a S/W sampler, like Reaktor or Unity? Maybe this and a > Peavey 1600x fader controller is the right combination of flexible, > feelable, and fun...but not portably practical w/out a powerbook. I was considering this route myself. First, get a software solution (Reaktor which has an incredible feature set or the Bitheadz stuff - Retro AS1 and/or Unity - which apparently doesn't have the sheer depth that Reaktor has - no granular synthesis, for example - but reportedly has a much better realtime performance engine). Then make sounds with chosen software product(s). Then record phrases I like into a low-cost phrase sampler for live performance. That was before I picked up my new toys. Between my fretless Sustainer guitar, the crappy Zoom pocket preamp/effector for it, the Handsonic, and DL4, I've pretty much met my requirements for what I want to do musically. Paolo Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 00:37:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30739; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:37:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:37:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: gearhoundism: cheap 'n easy samplers? Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:31:46 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <009f01c0116f$ac67cde0$2bd85c18@tampabay.rr.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-gPFc.A.pfH.C3zq5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Paolo, how do you like the DL4? Did you get to make 'devil noises' with it? Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com > > That was before I picked up my new toys. Between my fretless Sustainer > guitar, the crappy Zoom pocket preamp/effector for it, the Handsonic, and > DL4, I've pretty much met my requirements for what I want to do musically. > > Paolo > > Paolo > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 02:34:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA32234; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:33:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:33:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:31:05 -0700 Subject: Re: Is it stereo? From: Tiktok To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200008290357.XAA29661@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You've got true stereo all the way through, it sounds like you've already spent a boatload of cash, you're going to let $700 stop you now? In for a penny, in for a pound.... TH > > I just have one question: > Is it stereo? > > My rig is full stereo (stereo guitar feeds, stereo amps, stereo > FX loops, stereo speakers, etc..etc..) > > The only issue with the Echoplex for me is that concocting a > stereo setup would be prohibitively expensive for me. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 03:36:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA32687; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:35:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:35:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000301c0118b$d767bc00$b58ce33e@0006303921043200861239070001> Reply-To: "Luis Angulo" From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <005601c01161$1c9683e0$9ef538cb@swoods> Subject: Re: Footpedals (was Rampant Elitism) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:43:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds great Steven.Josh seems to be a very nice guy as well. I am all for it! > Why dont we or someone approach them to upgrade the Ground Control > I think Josh Fiden would listen if someone from the group with advanced > skills made representation on our behalf with some numbers perhaps of > interested people maybe. > Steven > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 04:00:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA00574; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:58:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:58:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.155.192.237] From: "K. G. Dick" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loop, Loop, Loop! Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:58:14 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2000 07:58:15.0262 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2B07FE0:01C0118E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Pask" To: Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 7:29 PM Subject: Re: Kyma/max > >If I had the time and money I'd get both. >Both are deep apps with strengths and weaknesses. >I got Max/Msp not knowing about about Kyma. > >I think at's also valuable to consider support. >Get on all the mailing lists and check out the communities which have grown >up around each app.Are they cool for newbies?Is the "parent" company >actively involved?Do they have a good rep for helping out their clients? > >Get demos and try some things out. > >Two things I will say for Max/Msp (not really knowing Kyma from a hole in >the road): > >-It happily uses most other good quality I/O hardware without fear of >conflict, so you can have another major audio app using the same set up. > >-There are many people developing some amazing add ons, the NATO >image/video >processing package is right out there, blows Videolic away, and the >networking/cross platform/internet possibilties are getting more powerful >all the time. > >As seems to be the case, no one app will be the magic answer, the solution >will be some arduously attained and usually uniquely personal setup. > >L8r > >Andrew > > At 7:14 PM -0400 8/25/00, pvallad1 wrote: And to confuse the issue even more, I found several examples of folks using Max _and_ Kyma, though typically they ran them on separate machines (e.g. one Powerbook to act as the Kyma interface, the other to run Max). Though, I didn't find any examples of folks using Kyma and Max _with MSP all at the same time_. Paolo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Pask" To: Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 7:29 PM Subject: Re: Kyma/max > >If I had the time and money I'd get both. Both are deep apps with strengths >and weaknesses. I got Max/Msp not knowing about about Kyma. > >I think at's also valuable to consider support. Get on all the mailing >lists and check out the communities which have grown up around each app.Are >they cool for newbies?Is the "parent" company actively involved?Do they >have a good rep for helping out their clients? > >Get demos and try some things out. > >Two things I will say for Max/Msp (not really knowing Kyma from a hole in >the road): > >-It happily uses most other good quality I/O hardware without fear of >conflict, so you can have another major audio app using the same set up. > >-There are many people developing some amazing add ons, the NATO image/video >processing package is right out there, blows Videolic away, and the >networking/cross platform/internet possibilties are getting more powerful >all the time. > >As seems to be the case, no one app will be the magic answer, the solution >will be some arduously attained and usually uniquely personal setup. > >L8r > >Andrew > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Traver" To: Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 6:55 PM Subject: gr 300 >I would like to use my (just aquired)gr 300 in my loops but I can't find a >pickup that fits it's strange rectangular connection. Does anyone know where >I can find one? Thanks for your help! Dave Traver >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > >drfuzz > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dave Traver" >To: >Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 6:55 PM >Subject: gr 300 > > > I would like to use my (just aquired)gr 300 in my loops but I can't find >a > > pickup that fits it's strange rectangular connection. Does anyone know >where > > I can find one? Thanks for your help! Dave Traver > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Cc: "Damon Langlois ( Electrix )" Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 5:35 PM Subject: (LONG) MIDI control (for loopers and other devices) >[sorry... this is very long but I hope quite clear. > as you can see, I've been thinking about this for a long while... /t] > > > >GOALS IN WRITING MIDI CONTROL PROGRAMS > >zeroth priority: > ACHIEVABLE. must be able to make it work without too much work. > >first priority: > COMPLETE. as much functionality as possible needs to be >accessible from MIDI. > >second priority > CLEAR. it should be "obvious" (to a reasonably technical person) how to > access these functions from MIDI. More common >functions need to be > "more obvious". > >third priority > EFFICIENT. it needs to make reasonably efficient usage of the memory, > computational, audio and display facilities of the machine. > > >DEFINING OUR TERMS > > >A "MIDI command" or just a command is some bit of MIDI generated by the user >that's supposed to control the machine (ie, program changes, control changes, >pitch bends, NRPNs, system exclusives, etc...) > > >Conceptually, you can think of the machine's controls as having >a "state". (For the looper's MIDI control, the audio in the machine >isn't really part of the state.) > >You can talk about the state of the whole machine. >You can talk about the state of a part of the machine, like the state >of one channel. >Or, you can talk about the state of a single control. > > >Finally, "internal settings" or "settings" come in two flavours. > >Switches have two or more discrete settings, like "on"/"off" >or "audio/tap/internal". > >Dials have "continuous" settings, even though the granularity >of this might be quite small (or quite large...) For example, >dials would be "loop time (0.000-128.000 seconds)" >or "feedback level (1-8)". > > >So, we put together settings (switches or dials) into parts, and >then assemble the parts into the whole state of the machine. > > >WHAT IS THE PROBLEM AT HAND? > >We want to see how to map "MIDI commands" into changes to "internal settings". > > > > >SAMPLE MEMORY IS EXPENSIVE, USER TIME IS EXPENSIVE, >CONTROL MEMORY IS CHEAP, CONTROL PROCESSING IS CHEAP > >Suppose a user command is represented by a (wildly generous) 100 >bytes on average, >and the user has programmed 1000 commands, surely quite a few. > >The total memory consumed here is a measly 100K, or about one second >of stereo sampling. > > >Users (ie "musicians") are really unable to generate too many different sorts >of streams of information while actually using equipment. You can't generate >hex code on the fly! > > >Modern processors perform hundreds of millions of operations a second. >Processing audio takes many hundreds of thousands of operations a second. >One user has trouble generating a thousand control operations. > >This means techniques like "table lookups" or "linear interpolation" >are essentially "free" (a table lookup on a modern microprocessor might >take 100 nanoseconds!) and can be used if at all helpful. > > > >ON WITH IT! > >Without further ado, I'll present a nice, simple and general model for the MIDI >control of a machine. > > >A LIBRARY OF STATES > >You need to be able to recall the state of the entire machine by some >sort of name. >It's fine if these names are "1", "2", "3", etc. but text would be nice too. > > >BANKS OF COMMANDS > >Commands need to be organized by banks. (see control processing is >cheap above..) >There need to be a lot of banks possible. > >Informally, one bank == one song. > > > >A "bank" of commands describes exactly how "commands" are mapped into >"changes to the settings". > >A bank might conceptually say something like > > Program Change 1: recall state 1 > Program Change 2: set record on loop 1 to on > Program Change 3: set record on loop 1 to off > Program Change 4: - > Program Change 5: - > ... > CC1: loop 1 output (0-100) > CC2: - > CC3: - > > PITCH: - > >where of course we just don't store the empty areas in a bank. > > >WHY BANKS? > >It corresponds to the needs of your average player, where you have >a limited selection of controls that you need to behave differently >for different songs. > > >ANY CHANGE CAN BE MADE FROM ANY COMMAND > >Remember, your average guy has a few fairly limited control >sources so if he can only generate, say, program changes, then >he should be able to set all levels this way. > >Banks should be able to handle any MIDI data if at all possible: >PC, CC, note-on/off, aftertouch, you name it. Seems ridiculous >but you have to parse the MIDI stream anyway, it's very little >work to cover ALL the cases at the end. > > >WHAT SORT OF CHANGES ARE ALLOWED? > >any list of the following changes: > > set state to (value) > set bank to (value) > set dial/switch to (value) > increment/decrement dial by (value) > toggle switch up/down // loops >through all possible values > set dial to (start:end) // maps a >controller linearly > > > >SUMMARY > >A simple model of any MIDI machine is presented >where a user sends MIDI commands >to change the state of discrete switches and continuous dials. > >At any time, the machine has a "state" of all its switches and dials. >The user can store and recall multiple states in memory. > >The MIDI behaviour is controlled by a "bank" which maps MIDI commands >into state changes. > > > >APPENDIX: SUGGESTIONS FOR ENHANCEMENT > >Presets: There need to be some decent "preset banks" that expose the most > common functions to MIDI and to the most common foot pedals in their > initialized format. > >This idea pays for the bank idea on its own, if it works "out of the box" >with "all" the foot pedals "out of the box". > > >The Bank Command: There needs to be a command that goes off when you >select a bank. > If the rest of this worked, that would take 10 >minutes to implement. > > >Default Bank: If you had a little extra time, you could have a "default bank" > that would be searched if you didn't find the incoming command > in the current bank. > >Curves for dials: In the case of the "linear values" for the dial, it >would be very > nice to have arithmetic maps that would let you remap an > incoming controller. > This sort of thing is very useful because things >like "velocity" > or "breath control" (my favorite) are not linear in nature. > >Rev 2.0: In a later rev, once you had this structure, it might not >be to hard to > actually create some LFOs, envelopes, other free-running gizmos... > > > >...electronic a capella madness ......... >...extreme internet radio ... > ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Flint To: Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 8:50 PM Subject: Re: Footpedals, Rampant Elitism. >At 11:54 AM -0700 8/26/00, Your Name wrote: > >Kim, > > > > While your critique of the MIDI versitility is appropriate, I defend > >the use > >of the adjective "powerful." When used in conjunction with the GCX rackmount > >this unit is great; specifically because of the way the software lets you > >access > >the rack loops. With the 2.0 ROM update you can assign a pedals to > >function as > >indidual loop switches; thus allowing you to create banks that contain both > >multi command presets and individual pedal style switches. In a rig like my > >own, which relies heavily on dumb, non-MIDI pedals, this allows me to create > >multi-unit presets with the option of realtime modification. > >yes, like I said, it's fine if all you want to do is change patches on >multi-effects, cause that is all it was designed to do. That's basically >what you are doing, even though some of the effects are separate stomp >boxes in your case. The GCX thing is nice, but as far as I can tell it is >controlled by program change messages which all pedals send. So most any >midi pedal should be able to work with it just fine, not just ground >control. > >If you want to do other simple midi things, like send startsong/stopsong >messages to a sequencer or drum machine, trigger samples from a sampler, >play notes or chords on a synth while you play your instrument, etc., the >ground control can't do that. You can't even download its program memory to >a librarian program on PC and upload it later, so there's no backup. Many >other midi pedals can do all these things. Since most people interested in >looping are going to be interested in these types of applications, I think >a limited midi controller pedal like the ground control is not a very good >choice. > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > >From: Michael Clark >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Volume Pedal Question >Date: Sun, Aug 27, 2000, 2:32 PM > >Hello Everyone, > >With all the hi tech talk that goes on here, my question may seem silly. > >I'm recording soft, atmospheric, ambient pieces with an EDP and DigiTech >2112. > >I'm using a RFX volume pedal. One of those cheap deals from Guitar Center >(is that a hint?). > >My problem is that the pedal (or, maybe it's the 2112) isn't "even." I'm >not able to add expression to the sound because the sound may come up to >abruptly, or sometimes, not at all. Are the more expensive pedals >significantly better - smoother? If so, which ones? > >I've really spent mega time to get things even and responsive. The quest >continues. > >Any help is appreciated. > >Thanks, > >Michael > > >From: Michael Clark >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Volume Pedal Question >Date: Sun, Aug 27, 2000, 2:32 PM > >Hello Everyone, > >With all the hi tech talk that goes on here, my question may seem silly. > >I'm recording soft, atmospheric, ambient pieces with an EDP and DigiTech >2112. > >I'm using a RFX volume pedal. One of those cheap deals from Guitar Center >(is that a hint?). > >My problem is that the pedal (or, maybe it's the 2112) isn't "even." I'm >not able to add expression to the sound because the sound may come up to >abruptly, or sometimes, not at all. Are the more expensive pedals >significantly better - smoother? If so, which ones? > >I've really spent mega time to get things even and responsive. The quest >continues. > >Any help is appreciated. > >Thanks, > >Michael > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 04:15:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA00972; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 04:14:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 04:14:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006401c0118f$81072ae0$426202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: OT (longish) gearhoundism: MD/CD Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:46:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >There is this guy Lesser >who plays with Kid 606 and Matmos in a group called Disk; he seems to find >random discarded CDs from the cultural detritus heap and creates improvised >scratching performances to create something new from this sonic trash. >Inspiring. I was listening to the Disk LP. Interesting stuff. Lots of loops there...:)) Gregor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 06:27:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA01942; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:26:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:26:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c011a3$ade54880$a9d89b3e@0006303921043200861239070001> Reply-To: "Luis Angulo" From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: Subject: Equipment sale Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:09:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For those interested i am selling the following items: ROLAND GP 100 preamp effects proccesor Korg A2 rackmount effects proccesor stereo Roland GR 09 Guitar synthesizer upgraded with expansion card Juice goose 8.0L Power distribuitor center All of the above for $1200.00 credit card or money order All of this are in perfect condition with their respective manuals. For those in America please mail me directly and let me know no later than friday sept. 1 if you are interested so that i can plan on taking them with me. I will be flying to San Diego CA. so there we can arrange payment and shipping.after sept.1 you can contact me at the following adress: laab2000@yahoo.com Cheers! L.A. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 17:34:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22616; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:32:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:32:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <04f701c011ff$f77904d0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: <001001c011a3$ade54880$a9d89b3e@0006303921043200861239070001> Subject: Sure is quiet.... Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:27:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello? Hello? Is the list down? Or are we all busy looping? I haven't gotten any messages today. :( Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 17:43:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22957; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:43:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:43:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C413088C@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Sure is quiet.... Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:40:46 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com everybody is actually back at work - - tring to make money so they can buy the new electrix repeater and next-generation edp and boomerang . . . -----Original Message----- From: Dennis W. Leas [mailto:dennis@mdbs.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 2:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sure is quiet.... Hello? Hello? Is the list down? Or are we all busy looping? I haven't gotten any messages today. :( Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 18:24:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24000; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:23:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:23:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000829174103.02428280@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: km15@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:22:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: kevin miller Subject: Re: Sure is quiet.... In-Reply-To: <04f701c011ff$f77904d0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <001001c011a3$ade54880$a9d89b3e@0006303921043200861239070001> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <8qdmED.A.Q2F.LfDr5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, I'll chime in-- I've got one of the new Gibson EDPs and near as I can tell, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it! It worked perfectly right out of the box, with no problems, glitches, snaps, crackles or pops. A friend of mine from San Jose picked up the 4MB chips at a place called Weird Stuff - he said the salesman had a big jar o' chips that he just poured out onto the counter, saying "Geez I didn't know people still used these!" So much for static protection, but they all work and I couldn't be happier. The EDP is a wonderful piece of engineering and the sound quality is superb. I love the JamMen and I still use 'em but an EDP goes way, way beyond. Matthias, Kim, et.al.- you done good, you done real good- thank you one and all! Kevin At 04:27 PM 8/29/00 -0500, you wrote: >Hello? Hello? Is the list down? Or are we all busy looping? I haven't >gotten any messages today. :( > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 18:55:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24819; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:48:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:48:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:46:17 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Sure is quiet.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA24744 Resent-Message-ID: <0mAC4D.A.3CG.31Dr5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey! What the hell... Mine's still working REAL good too... I get the feeling the Repeater will offer a DIFFERENT paradigm than the EDP anyway, so it's gonna be a case of "If you want to do THIS, get X... If you want to do THAT, get Y". (or something like that... I'm sure company loyalty and personal preferences will play into it as well...) One question... Is that new ROM update for the EDP nearing release anytime announceable? *-] Thanks again Kim and gang for great s/w and product. Fingers x'ed on Gibson's involvement and support... On the OTHER looping front... Is anyone out there ignoring delays completely and just using self-oscillating devices such as the Lovetone Ring Stinger or Des Res? I had a Des Res for a few days (but it had a fault and went back for surgery...) Even with the fault, I was amazed at the shifting soundscapes available with this box... can't wait to get it back! My Waldorf 4-pole filter is another box which will create it's own unique bed of sound for manipulation playing over. Best, -Miko >>> km15@cornell.edu 08/29/00 03:23PM >>> OK, I'll chime in-- I've got one of the new Gibson EDPs and near as I can tell, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it! It worked perfectly right out of the box, with no problems, glitches, snaps, crackles or pops. A friend of mine from San Jose picked up the 4MB chips at a place called Weird Stuff - he said the salesman had a big jar o' chips that he just poured out onto the counter, saying "Geez I didn't know people still used these!" So much for static protection, but they all work and I couldn't be happier. The EDP is a wonderful piece of engineering and the sound quality is superb. I love the JamMen and I still use 'em but an EDP goes way, way beyond. Matthias, Kim, et.al.- you done good, you done real good- thank you one and all! Kevin At 04:27 PM 8/29/00 -0500, you wrote: >Hello? Hello? Is the list down? Or are we all busy looping? I haven't >gotten any messages today. :( > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 19:28:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25834; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:26:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:26:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:37:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: Sure is quiet.... Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Miko- What's a Des Res anyway, couldn't find it on the net, and you've got me curious! best- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 19:39:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26250; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:38:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:38:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:36:52 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Sure is quiet.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA26174 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi Miko- What's a Des Res anyway, couldn't find it on the net, and you've got me curious! It's their new flanger... they had a "name that flanger" contest and somehow Vlad chose "Des Res". Gotta ask him sometime what's up with that... Anyway... on their web site it's a black outline of one of their larger boxes with a ? on it. The first versions have cool question mark graphics and "Flanger With No Name" on them. I believe they'll have those graphics on them for the next run as well, but check it out with Vlad... If you have a soundcard, there's cool sound samples to illustrate just what the pedal can do... Of course when you actually hear it and can tweak the controls, it becomes apparent that you can do ultra cool rythmic stuff with it. It's no drum machine, but it's far weirder... what the hell... A bit on the $$$$$$ side... Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 19:39:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26249; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:38:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:38:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39AC48B2.1695253@best.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:35:14 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sure is quiet.... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Darn it! My EDP is still working too! #$*^ing Gibson, when will I get a chance to complain? On another note, I am not impressed with the "Space 1999" look of the Repeater. If there is ever a hardware update to the EDP (such as stereo, simultaneous, independent loops, hint, hint, make my dream come true) I hope it retains the plain, functional, easy to understand-at-a-glance, look and feel. -Allan Mike Biffle wrote: > Hey! What the hell... Mine's still working REAL good too... > >>> km15@cornell.edu 08/29/00 03:23PM >>> > OK, I'll chime in-- I've got one of the new Gibson EDPs and near as I > can tell, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 20:57:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29180; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:56:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:56:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:56:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Pafford X-Sender: todd@galen.local.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Minidisc recorder In-Reply-To: <009701c0116e$201b2ae0$2bd85c18@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, I've got a couple sonys that I use as scratchpads. Really cool stuff. Now, if in the middle of one of my rambling practice sessions something pops out all I have to do is push record. I've got it all set up and ready to go all the time. It's a simple idea, but I can't tell you how cool it is. :) Every now and then I'll run through one of my old discs and find stuff I had completely forgotten about, then have to relearn it. --- "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake Todd Pafford galen@erols.com On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, pvallad1 wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Todd Pafford" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 9:11 AM > Subject: Re: gearhoundism: cheap 'n easy samplers? > > > > I'm wondering, though, if a portable minidisc recorder wouldn't be a good > > solution. They have no specific loop features, but for grabbing sounds in > > a portable way I can't imagine a better tool. They're small enough that > > you can carry both the recorder, disks, and a stereo microphone in your > > pockets. When you get home you could just dump the tracks you recorded > > into your Kurzweil or whatever. > > I bought one (Sony) for recording my Indian vocal lessons. It's been a > lifesaver. I'll probably use it to start recording my experiments after I get > more familiar with my new toys (Handsonic, Line 6 DL4) and start looping with > them. > > Paolo > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 21:05:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29527; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:04:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:04:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c0121e$64352fe0$2a131c18@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: Subject: Re: gearhoundism: cheap 'n easy samplers? Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:05:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo, Dave. I've actually been spending more time with my Handsonic. It's a pretty exciting instrument. Sam Ash gave me a great deal on the DL4 plus the Line6 expression pedal. Unfortunately, they were out of stock on the wall wart for it. Still, I'm very happy with the deal: $209 for the DL4, $49 for the pedal. Paolo ----- Original Message ----- From: "future perfect" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 12:31 AM Subject: RE: gearhoundism: cheap 'n easy samplers? > Hey Paolo, how do you like the DL4? Did you get to make 'devil noises' with > it? > > Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > That was before I picked up my new toys. Between my fretless Sustainer > > guitar, the crappy Zoom pocket preamp/effector for it, the Handsonic, and > > DL4, I've pretty much met my requirements for what I want to do musically. > > > > Paolo > > > > Paolo > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 21:09:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29788; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:08:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:08:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39AC5DC9.C1A0D850@best.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:05:13 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: D-Beam question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3ewqnD.A.QQH.A5Fr5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone here using the "Dimension Beam" from Interactive Light? I did a web search and found that Roland licensed the technology for their line of DJ equipment around 1996 but the URL for Interactive Light is dead. Are they out of business? Is the D-Beam still available anywhere? If anyone here has any info on this device I'd really appreciate hearing from you. Thanks! -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 23:42:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01790; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:42:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:42:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:48:14 -0400 From: Christopher Vereb Subject: Any Cheap-o Loopers For Sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004b01c01235$205ce760$0101a8c0@pavilion> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm new to the list and this is my first post. I'm looking to sample my rhythm (guitar) parts and play them back during solo sections to fatten up my bands sound during improvisational sections and also free me up to explore more. So far through my research it sounds like the Akai Headrush is the best deal around in my budget (my extreeeemly tiny budget). Does anyone have any used Akai Headrushes they'd like to sell or other looping gear I could use (and afford) to get into some basic loop work? Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 23:57:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02379; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:55:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:55:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:54:25 +1000 X-Sender: simon@mail.dynamite.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39AC5DC9.C1A0D850@best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Simon Subject: Re: D-Beam question Cc: ahoeltje@best.com Resent-Message-ID: <4j5e-.A.Qk.MWIr5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Anyone here using the "Dimension Beam" from Interactive Light? I did a >web search and found that Roland licensed the technology for their line >of DJ equipment around 1996 but the URL for Interactive Light is dead. >Are they out of business? Is the D-Beam still available anywhere? If >anyone here has any info on this device I'd really appreciate hearing >from you. The guy that made the Dimension Beam recently sold his remaining stock, I'm not sure if he has any left, he may. I think he has plans to build a cheaper version soon. His email address... Dimensionbeam@aol.com His name is Vincent. I have asked him about any remaining stock, and the plans for a cheaper unit, I'll pass on the info when he gets back to me. Simon Canberra AUSTRALIA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 23:59:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02576; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:58:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:58:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01da01c01236$b2732b40$2a131c18@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <39AC5DC9.C1A0D850@best.com> Subject: Re: D-Beam question Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:59:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use the one that is part of my Roland Handsonic. Several Roland products include one as well. I've never seen a standalone unit other than the one used by Trey Gunn. Paolo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Hoeltje" To: "Loopers-Delight" Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 9:05 PM Subject: D-Beam question > Anyone here using the "Dimension Beam" from Interactive Light? I did a > web search and found that Roland licensed the technology for their line > of DJ equipment around 1996 but the URL for Interactive Light is dead. > Are they out of business? Is the D-Beam still available anywhere? If > anyone here has any info on this device I'd really appreciate hearing > from you. > > Thanks! > > -Allan > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 08:39:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08639; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:39:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:39:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PaulPokr@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:37:32 EDT Subject: Sell my Jamman? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just purchased an Echoplex with foot pedal and max memory via an auction (but haven’t received it yet). I was thinking of selling my Jamman with max memory asap but was wondering if I should wait to see how satisified I am with the Echoplex vs the Jamman. Any comments or thoughts on this? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 10:58:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10457; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:58:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:58:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39AD20A2.5AF845BA@voicenet.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:56:34 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AH , DH , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: FS: MOOG, EH Analog goodies... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com WARNING!! ------------------ CROSS POSTED - PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO LISTS!!-------------------------- My guitarist is declaring bankruptcy and asked me to move some stuff for him. See what happens when you collect Vintage guitars instead of synths kids? I'm offering everything here first for a *quick* sale so please serious inquiries only and such. Prepay, I got references, etc etc etc. I'm sure these will go on Eb*y but I'd prefer to deal with humans even if it's not as much $$ :) 1. Electro Harmonix Clap Trap - Analog Click/high hat triggerable pedal. Has pad so you can hit it with a stick or a 1/4" in to trigger it via a drum machine, etc. Adjustable Noise source, decay, mix, clap click, multiple outs including reverse, etc. It's in the same steel floor unit shape as the other classic EH pedal (what were they thinking?). I have pics and samples if you'd like. *Excellent* condition Almost NOS. Very shiny, hardly used, back is flawless, one small scratch preventing it from being mint etc etc. Original Box, manual, and original EH "sound notes" flyer with pics and writeups on Adrian Belew, the EH16 delay pedal, etc. I hate to say it but this is really a collector's piece. I have no idea what these are worth but this is in top top shape and comes with all the goodies that drive the price up on Vintage Crap. I've never seen a cleaner vintage pedal. I'm asking $150 plus shipping which it's got to be worth in this day and age but will listen to sincere offers. 2. Moog (Really, an original Moog) CV pedal from 70's. Huuuge ass big CV pedal with original box (oooo!). Again 9/10 condition and barely used. This is a sweepable CV pedal with two 1/4" outs. Larger than a shoe and black (looks like a wah wah) with MOOG logo. Box is in my studio but it has the Moog logo and model # on it. Again I have no idea what these go for in kkkollectors circles but this is far better shape and vintage than the other crap I see being pushed. Asking $150, again OBO. I can find out the model # if anyone is interested as well as Pics. 3. Realistic/ Moog MG1 - (What sale would be complete with one?). Used but in good shape. I'm told the poly sliders acts up once in a while (the sound stays on unless you move it once or twice).Worked 100% the dozen or so times I used it but it ain't mine so I can't say for sure. Photocopy of manual. Asking $250 to move (as idiotic as it sounds last one I sold went for $350 so I think that's fair). Sale must be confirmed via phone so send your phone # and I'll call you on my dime to speed things up. Buyer pays shipping. again prices are fair (It think) but I'll listen to offers and rationales for why I may be out of my mind. Thanks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 12:08:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11555; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:05:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:05:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:58:11 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Sell my Jamman? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA11506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Keep the Jammer until you determine that the EDP is functioning properly... If you really only want ONE looper, then YES sell the JM once you know you've got a functional box in hand. -Miko >>> PaulPokr@aol.com 08/30/00 05:38AM >>> I just purchased an Echoplex with foot pedal and max memory via an auction (but haven’t received it yet). I was thinking of selling my Jamman with max memory asap but was wondering if I should wait to see how satisified I am with the Echoplex vs the Jamman. Any comments or thoughts on this? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 15:36:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14548; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:32:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:32:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <05a001c012b8$7d989d10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: References: Subject: FYI: used Kyma Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:28:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I stumbled across this ad on http://www.musiciansbuyline.com/computer.html for a used Kyma system. If anybody is interested, I recommend e-mailing "John" (NOT ME) as I rarely see used Kyma systems for sale. -------------------------------------------------------- City: Clearwater State: FL Zip Code: 33755 Country: USA First Name: John Phone Number: 727-446-2467 e-mail: jkimmich@tampabay.rr.com Ad: Kyma/Capybara 320 Music and Sound Design Engine (Mac or Windows). For details, see www.symbolicsound.com/Kyma.html $2000. -------------------------------------------------------- Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 16:20:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15521; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:17:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:17:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:15:31 -0500 From: "Ben Porter" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: azrix@n2music.com X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: D-Beam question X-Sender-Ip: 216.76.237.10 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check this out: http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/WNAMM98/Roland/Dimension-Beam.html . Roland has exclusive license to the D-beam technology. F*cking overdone copyright laws! ARHHH! And of course Roland would never actually release a dedicated D-Beam like Ineractive Light did. You have to buy it attached to another product that you don't need and you then have limited programmability for it. The D-beam is no longer available, but you can check here: http://www.pacificnet.net/~flux/ . They've had some of the original Dimension Beams for sale. Don't know if they still do. Well, I've been looking for original D-beams as someone here on the list (John Hunter) talked about his setup with a couple of D-beams (search for it in the LD archives). It sounded very cool and I've been on the lookout for them every since. I look in the classifieds on Harmony Central and on Ebay quite often and have never seen any used ones for sale. This leads me to believe that either: a) there were never that many D-beams made in the first place, or b) they are that cool and nobody who has one wants to sell it, or c) the people who bought them have enough money to throw around that they have no need to sell them. The D-beams are so cool, but I don't think the "unwashed masses" really got the idea of it for use by itself. Of course, now that Roland is including it with their "techno-in-a-box" stuff there are lots of people using it, but I'm not holding my breath of there ever being a stand alone version being made again anytime soon. Something else you might want to check out: http://www.soundbeam.co.uk/ . They are making a product that works very similiar to the D-beam. Its not the same or nearly as compact, but it might be your best alternative. If you really want a true D-beam, than I think your best bet is one of those Roland HPD-15 Handsonics. One last thing. Have any of you actually seen a performance with someone who primarily used a D-beam(s)? I've always thought that a pair of them would make a great controller for Max and have been trying to imagine what it would *look* like to see someone making music just by moving their arms around in the air. Hope this helps. Ben Porter. -- On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:05:13 Allan Hoeltje wrote: >Anyone here using the "Dimension Beam" from Interactive Light? I did a >web search and found that Roland licensed the technology for their line >of DJ equipment around 1996 but the URL for Interactive Light is dead. >Are they out of business? Is the D-Beam still available anywhere? If >anyone here has any info on this device I'd really appreciate hearing >from you. > >Thanks! > >-Allan > > > What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 16:54:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16183; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:53:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:53:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.webslingerZ.com: sburnett owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:51:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Burnett Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: D-Beam question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Ben Porter wrote: > One last thing. Have any of you actually seen a performance with > someone who primarily used a D-beam(s)? I've always thought that a pair > of them would make a great controller for Max and have been trying to > imagine what it would *look* like to see someone making music just by >moving their arms around in the air. Sounds like a description of a theremin performance. -- onNow: Legendary Pink Dots, _A Perfect Mystery_ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 17:11:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16640; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:11:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:11:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:09:51 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Cc: Subject: Re: D-Beam question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA16560 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well... if you can't get discrete D-Beams anymore you can go to the I-Cube system... http://www.infusionsystems.com/ Loads of controllers... light sensing, velocity sensing etc. Check 'em out... -Miko >>> sburnett@webslingerz.com 08/30/00 01:53PM >>> On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Ben Porter wrote: > One last thing. Have any of you actually seen a performance with > someone who primarily used a D-beam(s)? I've always thought that a pair > of them would make a great controller for Max and have been trying to > imagine what it would *look* like to see someone making music just by >moving their arms around in the air. Sounds like a description of a theremin performance. -- onNow: Legendary Pink Dots, _A Perfect Mystery_ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 17:22:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16896; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:21:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:21:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39AD7AAD.A0FA9435@hoover-keith.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:20:45 -0500 From: "Ryan D. Supak" X-Sender: "Ryan D. Supak" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: a new user Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9s1mNB.A.iHE.LrXr5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, im new to the list. i used to play real 8> instruments, but now i just use samplers. (sometimes i still play real 8} instruments as an emergency replacement for friends.) i use (2x)SP-808 by Roland. it's "technically" not a "true" looper, but if you use two of them strung together with a scratch mixer, your rig becomes a "true" looper by Looper's Delight standards. im primarily involved in live improv with people who play real 8] instruments. i run around with a microphone and sample them, then i run back to my DJ coffin and do things to the sounds, and spit them back out. i also do "raves". i tell the bookers i'm a DJ >8]. just wanted to say "hi", (hopefully it didnt bother anyone), and to say i hope i can contribute something unique and productive to the list in the future. r.s. (np: "It's a Man's, Man's, Man's World" - James Brown) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 17:37:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17175; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:32:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:32:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:34:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: D-Beam question --> IcubeX Resent-Message-ID: <1SIWyC.A.gLE.5zXr5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh my goodness! That stuff looks like fun! Anyone using this to control audio? I'd love to hear a user review.... - Chris >Well... if you can't get discrete D-Beams anymore you can go to the I-Cube >system... > >http://www.infusionsystems.com/ > >Loads of controllers... light sensing, velocity sensing etc. Check 'em out... > >-Miko > >>>> sburnett@webslingerz.com 08/30/00 01:53PM >>> >On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Ben Porter wrote: > >> One last thing. Have any of you actually seen a performance with >> someone who primarily used a D-beam(s)? I've always thought that a pair >> of them would make a great controller for Max and have been trying to >> imagine what it would *look* like to see someone making music just by >>moving their arms around in the air. > >Sounds like a description of a theremin performance. >-- >onNow: Legendary Pink Dots, _A Perfect Mystery_ >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com > http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 17:45:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17663; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:44:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:44:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39AD7FF4.D8976AC1@hoover-keith.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:43:16 -0500 From: "Ryan D. Supak" X-Sender: "Ryan D. Supak" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: D-Beam References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chris Chovit wrote: > > Oh my goodness! That stuff looks like fun! Anyone using this to control > audio? I'd love to hear a user review.... how fortuitous for me, i signed up to the list like 15 minutes ago! yeah, i use (4) D-Beams. [i use (2) Roland SP-808s, and each SP-808 has (2) D-Beams.] ways i use d-beams: 1)to trigger looped samples 2)to control effects parameters 3)"theremin" 4)to control MIDI parameters PROS: 1) obviously, shiny, (relatively) new control method, thus encouraging new forms. 2) sober people love it. 3) drunk/high people REALLY love it. 4) can get you the type of chicks who wear interesting eyeglasses. CONS: 1) not as cool in practice as you'd think. MIDI doesn't yet have the "resolution" of "analog", so these arent as cool as theremins yet. 2) a bit of a "one trick dog". self explanatory. 3) fog machines and crazy lights can mess their response up. 4) seems to have a response lag. SYNOPSIS: a very cool live toy, but i wouldnt want to have this be my main tool, especially live. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 17:58:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18127; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:58:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:58:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: a new user Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:00:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <39AD7AAD.A0FA9435@hoover-keith.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool!!!! Where are you? bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. -----Original Message----- From: Ryan D. Supak [mailto:rdsupak@hoover-keith.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 2:21 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: a new user hi, im new to the list. i used to play real 8> instruments, but now i just use samplers. (sometimes i still play real 8} instruments as an emergency replacement for friends.) i use (2x)SP-808 by Roland. it's "technically" not a "true" looper, but if you use two of them strung together with a scratch mixer, your rig becomes a "true" looper by Looper's Delight standards. im primarily involved in live improv with people who play real 8] instruments. i run around with a microphone and sample them, then i run back to my DJ coffin and do things to the sounds, and spit them back out. i also do "raves". i tell the bookers i'm a DJ >8]. just wanted to say "hi", (hopefully it didnt bother anyone), and to say i hope i can contribute something unique and productive to the list in the future. r.s. (np: "It's a Man's, Man's, Man's World" - James Brown) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 18:02:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18334; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:01:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:01:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39AD840C.7BDAECFF@hoover-keith.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:00:44 -0500 From: "Ryan D. Supak" X-Sender: "Ryan D. Supak" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: a new user Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9IAiR.A.rdE.qQYr5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks for the nice welcome everybody. and i live in houston, tx. if anybody in the area wants to jam or whatever, personal-email me 8>. r.s. (np: "Flameout" - Jerry Goldsmith, Logan's Run Soundtrack) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 19:24:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19680; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:24:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:24:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAlMPOMAvuSmrutWribJpGpqoQLqkCFQCj5TT73VYsnoLFYuocUYSWBbiqZw== From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:22:24 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Spanish Spam Message-ID: <16371-39AD9730-168@storefull-118.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Some list subscribers have been receiving spanish language spam from "FULLPACK" for the last several months. If you're one of them; try forwarding the message to info@group-mail.com. Be sure to include the header. (This is the address of the software creator which is used to send the offending e-mails.) Good luck ! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 20:01:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20411; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:00:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:00:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:05:47 -0700 Subject: used Kyma From: Vance Galloway To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200008302324.TAA19729@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, this is a pretty good price for a used unit. Adding on additional cards is MUCH cheaper than the initial investment. This seems like a very good deal to me. Someone go for it (I already have one.....) Vance > Kyma/Capybara 320 Music and Sound Design Engine (Mac or Windows). > For details, see www.symbolicsound.com/Kyma.html > $2000. > -------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 20:33:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21012; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:33:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:33:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c012e2$e2a13b20$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "Brian Mulvey" To: References: <05a001c012b8$7d989d10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: used Kyma Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:32:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good lourde! Is that a standard price for it? ******************** Any day now - the year of the Diamond Dogs.. "This ain't Rock n' Roll... this is Genocide." BOWIE '74 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis W. Leas To: Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 3:28 PM Subject: FYI: used Kyma > I stumbled across this ad on http://www.musiciansbuyline.com/computer.html for a > used Kyma system. If anybody is interested, I recommend e-mailing "John" (NOT > ME) as I rarely see used Kyma systems for sale. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > City: Clearwater > State: FL > Zip Code: 33755 > Country: USA > First Name: John > Phone Number: 727-446-2467 > e-mail: jkimmich@tampabay.rr.com > Ad: > > Kyma/Capybara 320 Music and Sound Design Engine (Mac or Windows). > For details, see www.symbolicsound.com/Kyma.html > $2000. > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 20:50:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21499; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:50:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:50:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000830204751.00962520@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: floyd@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:49:19 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: Spanish Spam In-Reply-To: <16371-39AD9730-168@storefull-118.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:22 PM 8/30/00 -0700, Lordan wrote: >Some list subscribers have been receiving spanish language spam from >"FULLPACK" for the last several months. If you're one of them; try >forwarding the message to info@group-mail.com. Be sure to include the >header. (This is the address of the software creator which is used to >send the offending e-mails.) > >Good luck ! Maybe I don't understand what the purpose of this is, but why would I want to send a message with my email address to someone who writes software, d probably compiles the email address lists? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 20:57:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21771; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:56:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:56:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C012C4.687EBC00@user-2inik21.dialup.mindspring.com> From: JCelano To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Sell my Jamman? Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:53:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C012C4.687EBC00" Resent-Message-ID: <8ejipD.A.iTF.10ar5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C012C4.687EBC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I sync the the 2 togehter via midi or just use the Jam man to create = real time echo's while layering on the echoplex. The more Echoe's the = better. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Biffle [SMTP:Mbiffle@svg.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 11:58 AM To: PaulPokr@aol.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sell my Jamman? Keep the Jammer until you determine that the EDP is functioning = properly... If you really only want ONE looper, then YES sell the JM = once you know you've got a functional box in hand. -Miko >>> PaulPokr@aol.com 08/30/00 05:38AM >>> I just purchased an Echoplex with foot pedal and max memory via an = auction (but haven’t received it yet). I was thinking of selling = my Jamman with max memory asap but was wondering if I should wait to see = how satisified I am with the Echoplex vs the Jamman. 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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 8/30/00 11:56:55 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, ds115@mindspring.com writes: << The more Echoe's the better. >> truer words were never spoken!.............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 22:59:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23466; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:59:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:59:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.203.25.224] From: "Dave Traver" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: echoplex's for sale? Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:58:45 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2000 02:58:45.0047 (UTC) FILETIME=[606ECC70:01C012F7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey every one! Would anybody know where I can purchase an oberheim echoplex and get the best price? New or used? Thanks! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 02:27:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26421; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:26:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:26:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39ADF69A.FB5B69A1@home.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:09:31 -0700 From: Damon Langlois Reply-To: damon-langlois@home.com Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05C-AtHome0403 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Todd, Repeater is stereo References: <200008290357.XAA29660@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey todd, A little late answering but I was floating around the ocean in a kayak for a few days.... Yes Repeater is stereo. It has 4 tracks per loop that can be armed as 2 stereo or 4 mono or 1 stereo and 2 mono etc... Repeater also has a stereo FX loop. Our web site has a back panel image that will give you a pretty good idea of the I/O. http://www.electrixpro.com Damon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 05:01:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27684; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 04:59:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 04:59:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c01329$ea3802a0$9dd89b3e@0006303921043200861239070001> Reply-To: "Luis Angulo" From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: Subject: NOBELS Electronics Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:04:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0132A.78063200" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0132A.78063200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is another Foot controller i found in germany! http://www.nobels.com/english.htm Luis ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0132A.78063200 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="NOBELS Electronics.url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="NOBELS Electronics.url" [DEFAULT] BASEURL=http://www.nobels.com/english.htm [DOC#17#18] BASEURL=http://www.nobels.com/e_bar.htm [DOC#17#19] BASEURL=http://www.nobels.com/products/mf-2.htm [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.nobels.com/english.htm Modified=20AF9A891913C001DF ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0132A.78063200-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 05:02:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA27717; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 05:00:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 05:00:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39AE1F0C.405F8C17@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:02:04 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock Organization: smtp.dial.pipex.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Des res References: <200008302324.TAA19728@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > It's their new flanger... they had a "name that flanger" contest and somehow Vlad chose "Des Res". Gotta ask him sometime what's up with that... > I don't know if you have this expression in the US but here in the UK des res is short for desirable residence I suppose it's short for desirable resonance in this context. Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 08:20:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA28991; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:19:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:19:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000831121743.64406.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 05:17:43 -0700 (PDT) From: abduction scene Subject: RE: a new user To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds cool, and like you'll fit right in here. Welcome! > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan D. Supak [mailto:rdsupak@hoover-keith.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 5:21 PM > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: a new user > > > hi, im new to the list. i used to play real 8> instruments, but now i > just use samplers. (sometimes i still play real 8} instruments as an > emergency replacement for friends.) > > i use (2x)SP-808 by Roland. it's "technically" not a "true" > looper, but > if you use two of them strung together with a scratch mixer, your rig > becomes a "true" looper by Looper's Delight standards. > > im primarily involved in live improv with people who play real 8] > instruments. i run around with a microphone and sample them, > then i run > back to my DJ coffin and do things to the sounds, and spit them back > out. i also do "raves". i tell the bookers i'm a DJ >8]. > > just wanted to say "hi", (hopefully it didnt bother anyone), > and to say > i hope i can contribute something unique and productive to the list in > the future. > > r.s. > (np: "It's a Man's, Man's, Man's World" - James Brown) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 10:52:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30348; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:52:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:52:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002e01c012e2$e2a13b20$0101a8c0@pavilion> References: <05a001c012b8$7d989d10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:40:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rich Subject: Re: used Kyma Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Good lourde! > >Is that a standard price for it? Makes those EDP's look downright thrifty, don't they? rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 11:35:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31025; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:34:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:34:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.76.82.65] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Kyma for sale Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:33:29 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2000 15:33:29.0235 (UTC) FILETIME=[CFE98630:01C01360] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hot damn! If I hadn't just bought a Handsonic, I would seriously consider it. Especially since the seller lives right across the bay from me. $2000 is a decent price for a Kyma/Capybara 320. Symbolic Sound sells them for $3300 new. At any rate, I'm spending a lot of time playing with the Handsonic as it is. Paolo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 11:51:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31301; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:51:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:51:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [192.76.82.65] From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Spanish Spam Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:50:12 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2000 15:50:12.0255 (UTC) FILETIME=[25C23AF0:01C01363] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have handled the Spanish spam in the following ways: 1. I use the free Spam Cop service at http://spamcop.net/. Every spam I get now from my good friends in Argentina gets copied and pasted to Spam Cop. Then I click the Process button and it automatically emails a report to all the postmaster/admin addresses it finds from the header trace and archives the spam in its database. 2. I unsubscribed from my home account and resubscribed from my Hotmail account. Paolo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 12:00:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31561; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:59:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:59:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 08:58:46 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Des res Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA31524 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> It's their new flanger... they had a "name that flanger" contest and somehow Vlad chose "Des Res". Gotta ask him sometime what's up with that... > I don't know if you have this expression in the US but here in the UK des res is short for desirable residence I suppose it's short for desirable resonance in this context. Gareth Could be... I all for desirable resonances! Now give me my flanger back! -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 16:30:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02466; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:30:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:30:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c01389$e03b3dc0$a82297d4@elias> From: "Elias Faingersh" To: Subject: I'm new here Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:27:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C0139A.A2E23940" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C0139A.A2E23940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm new here, just wonted to say hi to every one....HI! I play trombone, alone.. work a lot with 2 uppdated Jammans, Lexicon MPX 100 and MPX1. I give mostly solo recetales, after 10 years playing with a symphony = orcestra playng alone is a PRADISE!!!=20 This sommer though I did about 30 gigs with two other guys, guitar and drumms. It worked really well. Have a good one every one. Elias Faingersh http://home.swipnet.se/faingersh/ ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C0139A.A2E23940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
I'm new here, just wonted to say hi to every=20 one....HI!
 
I play trombone, alone..
work a lot with 2 uppdated Jammans, Lexicon MPX 100 = and=20 MPX1.
I give mostly solo recetales, after = 10 years=20 playing with a symphony orcestra playng alone is a=20 PRADISE!!! 
This sommer though I did about 30 gigs with two = other=20 guys,
guitar and drumms. It worked really = well.
 
Have a good one every one.
 
Elias Faingersh
 
http://home.swipnet.se/fainger= sh/
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C0139A.A2E23940-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 18:21:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03689; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:20:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:20:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005b01c01399$58c36ba0$766ea8c0@in.bootlegtv.com> From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Subject: FS: EDP $850 (Harmony Central) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:17:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't mail me, mail : handel@mediaone.net if you're interested: LOOPERS! Digital Pro Echoplex w/NEW FS-1 Footpedal Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: Forget the Boomerang or the Jamman, the Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro is THE pinnacle of all looping devices. This unit I'm selling has the older LoopIII v3.2 software chip (can easily be upgraded through Gibson) - never found the need myself. It has 50 seconds of sample time (upgradeable to 155 seconds(!) = 16mb total. I'd give the cosmetics of the unit an "8". some visible wear from being in and out of racks, but once in your rack you someone might think you bought it new. The FS-1 Footpedal is BRAND NEW! "Think of the Echoplex Digital Pro as a sequencer for audio instead of MIDI; a Digital Recorder instead of a Tape Recorder; a Digital Delay that features extended delay times and rhythmic precision; a Sampler that can Record and Play at the same time. The heart of the Echoplex Digital Pro is a 16-bit / 41.5 kHz digital RAM Recorder. Through the use of standard SIMM chips, memory can be easily be expanded up to almost 200 seconds." For the complete lowdown click here: http://www.gibson.com/products/oberheim/ob2.html I'm asking $850 shipped. Let me know. I have pics if interested. send me an e-mail. Thanks, jeff Seller: jeff karol, E-mail: handel@mediaone.net (Profile) Location: HAMTRAMCK, MI Post Date: 8/31/2000 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 18:56:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03985; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:38:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:38:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: EDP $850 (Harmony Central) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:42:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <005b01c01399$58c36ba0$766ea8c0@in.bootlegtv.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmm, last time I talked to our dear friends at Alto music, they were offering them for $750 bucks, new. Are we having a 'dry spell' on echoplexes or has someone let the Korg distributors out of the mad house again? bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 3:18 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: FS: EDP $850 (Harmony Central) Don't mail me, mail : handel@mediaone.net if you're interested: LOOPERS! Digital Pro Echoplex w/NEW FS-1 Footpedal Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: Forget the Boomerang or the Jamman, the Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro is THE pinnacle of all looping devices. This unit I'm selling has the older LoopIII v3.2 software chip (can easily be upgraded through Gibson) - never found the need myself. It has 50 seconds of sample time (upgradeable to 155 seconds(!) = 16mb total. I'd give the cosmetics of the unit an "8". some visible wear from being in and out of racks, but once in your rack you someone might think you bought it new. The FS-1 Footpedal is BRAND NEW! "Think of the Echoplex Digital Pro as a sequencer for audio instead of MIDI; a Digital Recorder instead of a Tape Recorder; a Digital Delay that features extended delay times and rhythmic precision; a Sampler that can Record and Play at the same time. The heart of the Echoplex Digital Pro is a 16-bit / 41.5 kHz digital RAM Recorder. Through the use of standard SIMM chips, memory can be easily be expanded up to almost 200 seconds." For the complete lowdown click here: http://www.gibson.com/products/oberheim/ob2.html I'm asking $850 shipped. Let me know. I have pics if interested. send me an e-mail. Thanks, jeff Seller: jeff karol, E-mail: handel@mediaone.net (Profile) Location: HAMTRAMCK, MI Post Date: 8/31/2000 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 18:58:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04240; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:50:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:50:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001c0139d$912fdc40$cd1697d4@elias> From: "Elias Faingersh" To: Subject: Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 00:48:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C013AE.54326540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C013AE.54326540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable blz you mentioned some Alto music where you can get a plex for 750$. is that so? how can I get i touch with them? I really wonna get my hands on one of this fine mashines Elias. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C013AE.54326540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
blz
you mentioned some Alto music where you can get a = plex for=20 750$.
is that so? how can I get i touch with = them?
I really wonna get my hands on one of this fine=20 mashines
 
Elias.
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C013AE.54326540-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 19:15:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04859; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:15:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:15:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c013a0$dfecb120$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> From: "BC" To: References: <003001c0139d$912fdc40$cd1697d4@elias> Subject: Re: Alto Music on EDP Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:12:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0057_01C01366.33431480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C01366.33431480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Elias!=20 I wrote to Alto Music a few weeks ago at altomusic@altomusic.com and got = this response. Note that this price does not include the footpedal, = which another $100 probably. [Alto Music on 14 Aug 2000] "The price is $699.We have a large waiting list so it is very hard to = say when one will become available.They should start shipping more units = in the fall.Thanks-Alto Music" Similar question at sweetwater.com, I was told $750, late November. May as well wait and check out the Repeater, I say. It might arrive = sooner. Bob Campbell ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C01366.33431480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Elias!
 
I wrote to Alto Music a few weeks ago = at altomusic@altomusic.com = and got=20 this response. Note that this price does not include the footpedal, = which=20 another $100 probably.
 
[Alto Music on 14 Aug = 2000]
"The price is $699.We have a large = waiting list so=20 it is very hard to say when one will become available.They should start = shipping=20 more units in the fall.Thanks-Alto Music"
 
Similar question at sweetwater.com, I = was told=20 $750, late November.
 
May as well wait and check out the = Repeater, I say.=20 It might arrive sooner.
 
Bob Campbell
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C01366.33431480-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 19:15:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04795; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:14:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:14:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:17:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C01367.0403C8D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003001c0139d$912fdc40$cd1697d4@elias> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C01367.0403C8D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit www.altomusic.com Give them my regards. bIz Tellme. News. Stock quotes. Movies. Excellent. 1.800.555.Tell biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme game. -----Original Message----- From: Elias Faingersh [mailto:elias@mbox306.swipnet.se] Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 3:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: blz you mentioned some Alto music where you can get a plex for 750$. is that so? how can I get i touch with them? I really wonna get my hands on one of this fine mashines Elias. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C01367.0403C8D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

ww= w.altomusic.com

 

Gi= ve them my regards.

 

bIz

 

 

Tellme. News. Stock quotes. = Movies. Excellent.

1.800.555.Tell

biz's house of fun is temporaily unavailable. In the = meantime, say 'extensions' and '76255' to get to biz's secret Tellme = game.

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-----Original= Message-----
From: Elias Faingersh [mailto:elias@mbox306.swipnet.se]
Sent: Thursday, August = 31, 2000 3:48 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: =

 

blz

you mentioned some Alto music where you can get a plex for = 750$.

is that so? how can I get i touch with them?

I really wonna get my hands on one of this fine mashines

 

Elias.

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C01367.0403C8D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 19:55:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05561; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:54:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:54:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:18:44 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <026e01c013a1$cf038270$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_026B_01C01377.E60754D0" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <003001c0139d$912fdc40$cd1697d4@elias> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_026B_01C01377.E60754D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sweetwater also has them listed for ~$750 but they have been back = ordered for a while ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Elias Faingersh=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 5:48 PM blz you mentioned some Alto music where you can get a plex for 750$. is that so? how can I get i touch with them? I really wonna get my hands on one of this fine mashines Elias. ------=_NextPart_000_026B_01C01377.E60754D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
sweetwater also has them listed for = ~$750 but they=20 have been back ordered for a while
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Elias=20 Faingersh
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com=20
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 = 5:48=20 PM

blz
you mentioned some Alto music where you can get a = plex for=20 750$.
is that so? how can I get i touch with = them?
I really wonna get my hands on one of this fine=20 mashines
 
Elias.
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