From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 1 01:25:43 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09723; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 01:25:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 01:25:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39359454.33F984F6@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:45:59 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: trade secrets! (was Re: barefoot looping) References: <053b01bfcb4c$7ebb4b60$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gZLVx3.0.6f1.PvSDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > http://www.flaxart.com/index2.asp?bnav=3 > > My lovely lady bought me a pair for Christmas. I always wear them when looping > in public. They get my vote for our OFFICIAL LD shoeware. what, a watch and a bound duck? (sorry!) lance g. "...i's got happy feet!" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 1 01:52:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15847; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 01:52:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 01:52:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39357CE9.8CEFB828@opbu.xerox.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 13:58:18 -0700 From: David W Johnson Reply-To: dajohnso@pogo.wv.tek.com Organization: Tektronix X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-NECCK (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: mute 1 of many loops, once Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PL7nH1.0.PE1.k5VDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am just learning to use my new EDP, and I love it. I would like to figure out how to mute one loop of many loops but only once. I can't find out how to cancel muting of a loop before I get to the loop. Here is the scenario: I have 3 loops. Quantize=On (I think that's right) so I am switching loops at the end of a loop, not instantaneously. I'm in loop 1 and I hit NextLoop then Mute. This takes me to the next loop, 2, at the break, muted. I play some new music over this section and hit NextLoop again to take me to loop 3, unmuted. Then cycle back around through the loops as required. This is all well and good, except when I get back to loop 2 again it is still muted, and I have to wait until I get back to this muted loop to unmute it. How can I cancel the muting of this loop while I am still in loop 1, as I was able to mute it begin with? That is, I want to hit NextLoop and then "UnMute" so I switch automatically to loop 2, at the end of the loop 1, unmuted. Does anyone know how to do this? DJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 1 04:09:15 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01678; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 04:09:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 04:09:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 03:07:42 -0400 From: Andreas Willers Subject: ECHOPLEX NIGHTMARE Sender: Andreas Willers To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <200006010307_MC2-A719-B3F4@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id DAA27171 Resent-Message-ID: <"KxtHv.0.ze6.ulWDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Poor Luca, man, they are really keeping us on our toes, aren't they? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 1 05:28:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA07175; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 05:28:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 05:28:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: Line6 DL4 Power Supply Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:06:08 +0200 Message-ID: <000501bfcba8$c6f36f50$0301a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BFCBB9.8A7C3F50" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <"xVKIN1.0.p66.7TYDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BFCBB9.8A7C3F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone tell me the polarity of the Line6 power supply adapters, used i.e. for the DL4 delay modeler ? sincerely, Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks www.moinlabs.de ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BFCBB9.8A7C3F50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Can = anyone tell me=20 the polarity of the Line6 power supply adapters, used i.e. for the DL4 = delay=20 modeler ?
 
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Rainer Straschill
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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BFCBB9.8A7C3F50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 1 11:24:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13767; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:24:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:24:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: "Johnson, David W" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: FW: UnMute next loop from current loop? Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 07:41:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"3PWCl1.0.6q5.yTdDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I am just learning to use my new EDP, and I love it. > I would like to figure out how to mute one loop of many loops but only > once. I can't find out how to cancel muting of a loop before I get to > the loop. Here is the scenario: > I have 3 loops. Quantize=On (I think that's right) so I am switching > loops at the end of a loop, not instantaneously. I'm in loop 1 and I > hit NextLoop then Mute. This takes me to the next loop, 2, at the > break, muted. I play some new music over this section (not recording) and > hit NextLoop > again to take me to loop 3, unmuted. Then cycle back around through the > loops as required. This is all well and good, except when I get back to > loop 2 again it is still muted, and I have to wait until I get back to > this muted loop to unmute it. How can I cancel the muting of this loop > while I am still in loop 1, as I was able to mute it begin with? That > is, I want to hit NextLoop and then "UnMute" so I switch automatically > to loop 2, at the end of the loop 1, unmuted. Does anyone know how to > do this? > DJ > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 1 18:56:24 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03595; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 18:56:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 18:56:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002401bfcc1c$7d60a6e0$a883abd4@h2v6p1> From: "luca" To: References: <200006010307_MC2-A719-B3F4@compuserve.com> Subject: R: ECHOPLEX NIGHTMARE Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 00:49:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"8YjO_2.0.Wn7.9WkDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What does "toes" mean ? Luca ----- Original Message ----- From: Andreas Willers To: Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 9:07 AM Subject: ECHOPLEX NIGHTMARE > Poor Luca, man, they are really keeping us on our toes, aren't they? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 1 19:39:07 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30684; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:39:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:39:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39357CE9.8CEFB828@opbu.xerox.com> References: <39357CE9.8CEFB828@opbu.xerox.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:21:16 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: mute 1 of many loops, once Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"6V4Pn2.0.XV3.F5kDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I am just learning to use my new EDP, and I love it. >I would like to figure out how to mute one loop of many loops but only >once. I can't find out how to cancel muting of a loop before I get to >the loop. Here is the scenario: >I have 3 loops. Quantize=On (I think that's right) so I am switching >loops at the end of a loop, not instantaneously. I'm in loop 1 and I >hit NextLoop then Mute. This takes me to the next loop, 2, at the >break, muted. I play some new music over this section and hit NextLoop >again to take me to loop 3, unmuted. Then cycle back around through the >loops as required. This is all well and good, except when I get back to >loop 2 again it is still muted, and I have to wait until I get back to >this muted loop to unmute it. How can I cancel the muting of this loop >while I am still in loop 1, as I was able to mute it begin with? That >is, I want to hit NextLoop and then "UnMute" so I switch automatically >to loop 2, at the end of the loop 1, unmuted. Does anyone know how to >do this? >DJ Thats a good point really! NEXT-UNDO would be the consistant command. But we used it to be able to let the loop start immediately, which may be less usefull and could be done at the second strike (NEXT-UNDO-UNDO) and still would be consistent since all functions happen immediately (unquantized) if you hit them the second time. Does anyone else have such a problem? Would I destroy someones happyness by changing NEXT-UNDO to do Quantized Next UnMute? Is there another possibility? Thank you, David Matthias ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 1 19:44:42 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01733; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:44:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:44:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 16:38:07 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, matthias@grob.org Subject: Re: mute 1 of many loops, once Resent-Message-ID: <"KBYzh.0.-U7.NGlDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd prefer the ability to do quantized Next UnMute as well... -Miko >>> Matthias Grob 06/01 4:32 PM >>> >I am just learning to use my new EDP, and I love it. >I would like to figure out how to mute one loop of many loops but only >once. I can't find out how to cancel muting of a loop before I get to >the loop. Here is the scenario: >I have 3 loops. Quantize=On (I think that's right) so I am switching >loops at the end of a loop, not instantaneously. I'm in loop 1 and I >hit NextLoop then Mute. This takes me to the next loop, 2, at the >break, muted. I play some new music over this section and hit NextLoop >again to take me to loop 3, unmuted. Then cycle back around through the >loops as required. This is all well and good, except when I get back to >loop 2 again it is still muted, and I have to wait until I get back to >this muted loop to unmute it. How can I cancel the muting of this loop >while I am still in loop 1, as I was able to mute it begin with? That >is, I want to hit NextLoop and then "UnMute" so I switch automatically >to loop 2, at the end of the loop 1, unmuted. Does anyone know how to >do this? >DJ Thats a good point really! NEXT-UNDO would be the consistant command. But we used it to be able to let the loop start immediately, which may be less usefull and could be done at the second strike (NEXT-UNDO-UNDO) and still would be consistent since all functions happen immediately (unquantized) if you hit them the second time. Does anyone else have such a problem? Would I destroy someones happyness by changing NEXT-UNDO to do Quantized Next UnMute? Is there another possibility? Thank you, David Matthias ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 1 23:36:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA31270; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 23:36:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 23:36:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRGm9LxaSGRmS4Gz49vbkUyTyU73wIULScbJL4hVxCKyUPVnEvRk8O+hLs= From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan Pease) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:13:55 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jamman Vrs. 2 Message-ID: <714-39371863-1533@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"laDQl.0.yA5.sXnDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bob Sellon sent me 2 ROM chips several months ago that were marked "D2 V0.4". There was some documentation on his website, but I concluded that not all the bugs were worked out yet went back to the originals. It seemed like the upgrade totally transformed the Jamman and could be really cool but something seemed amiss. I'd love to hear if anybody else had the same experience. I have 2 EDPs now but am glad I kept my Jammans. No undo function can be rough, but they still are fun to use. What's the latest thoughts on the tutorial video ? I'm still willing to help in the creation of a home-grown version !! Jordan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 1 23:42:40 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02455; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 23:42:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 23:42:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000601213425.007bb3b0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 21:34:25 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: R: ECHOPLEX NIGHTMARE In-Reply-To: <002401bfcc1c$7d60a6e0$a883abd4@h2v6p1> References: <200006010307_MC2-A719-B3F4@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"xYpan3.0.WR6.CvmDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Toes are digital foot appendages commonly found wiggling in the front part of shoes or Dennis's socks. Players of classical Indian instruments often wear no footwear, thus leaving their toes exposed to view. Toes are useful for operating musical electronics when one's hands are occupied. ("Keeping us on our toes" is an idiom meaning "requiring us to be alert and attentive".) At 12:49 AM 6/2/00 +0200, you wrote: >What does "toes" mean ? >Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 2 00:08:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18071; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 00:08:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 00:08:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39372BF8.8DB0996F@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 20:37:30 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: R: ECHOPLEX NIGHTMARE References: <200006010307_MC2-A719-B3F4@compuserve.com> <002401bfcc1c$7d60a6e0$a883abd4@h2v6p1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UTpZl.0.Tg7.ikoDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com luca wrote: > What does "toes" mean ? > Luca > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andreas Willers > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 9:07 AM > Subject: ECHOPLEX NIGHTMARE > > > Poor Luca, man, they are really keeping us on our toes, aren't they? > > > > luca, this is american (if i'm not mistaken) slang for keeping one in a state of suspense. or (2nd thought), it has something to do with dennis' socks... lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 2 01:18:59 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24282; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:18:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:18:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 22:11:52 -0700 From: ZacRae Subject: Re: Jamman Vrs. 2 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-to: zrae@bigfoot.com Message-id: <39374216.B1D4E5F0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <714-39371863-1533@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"O9R7l.0.Rd4.67qDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, new to the list - my first post in fact... My friend installed this ROM upgrade in his jamman - he experienced pretty similar results... it seemed somewhat more tempermental than before... I think in the end he had a hard time integrating the new features in a smooth way and so just used the standard issue features. Now what I'd love to have is a pedalboard style jamman like the one on Bob Sellons page... has anyone else tried a similar mod and could comment on practicality of doing such a thing? Z. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 2 01:36:12 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30202; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:36:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:36:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <393740EC.50B4FFB5@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 22:06:56 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: R: ECHOPLEX NIGHTMARE (keeps rolling along) References: <200006010307_MC2-A719-B3F4@compuserve.com> <002401bfcc1c$7d60a6e0$a883abd4@h2v6p1> <39372BF8.8DB0996F@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fu0P6.0.ug3.g2qDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i wrote: > luca wrote: > > > What does "toes" mean ? > > Luca > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Andreas Willers > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 9:07 AM > > Subject: ECHOPLEX NIGHTMARE > > > > > Poor Luca, man, they are really keeping us on our toes, aren't they? > > > > > > > > luca, > > this is american (if i'm not mistaken) slang for keeping one in a state > of suspense. > > or (2nd thought), it has something to do with dennis' socks... > > lance g. on 3rd thought, tim nelson's post is much better. i'll shut up now. lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 2 02:59:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11479; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 02:59:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 02:59:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <054001bfcb4d$297cfa80$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> References: <054001bfcb4d$297cfa80$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 03:56:56 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: trade secrets! (was Re: barefoot looping) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"TysUb.0.vI2.SerDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Since I never wear more than recycled tyre sandals, those socks would call too much atention... and mabe harm my fame for toe operation... Then looking at them: How about a shoe design that looks like socks to wear after off stage? > >When you go to http://www.flaxart.com/index2.asp?bnav=3 , you'll have to click >on "Socks", then on "Shoesocks". > >When somebody in the audience notices them, they always smile. ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 2 03:40:45 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21979; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 03:40:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 03:40:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Eric Zang" To: Subject: Re: mute 1 of many loops, once Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 00:35:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"F9V8q2.0.cG5.IEsDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, I have found myself wanting a solution to this situation too. An alternate idea to the new command solution would be that whenever a muted loop is exited, the next time one comes around to it, it would be automatically unmuted. Muting it would be by request only (Next-Mute). Eric Zang www.listen.to/zang World Music in AZ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 2 03:35:03 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21591; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 03:35:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 03:35:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: ECHOPLEX NIGHTMARE Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 00:07:51 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <002401bfcc1c$7d60a6e0$a883abd4@h2v6p1> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"6rQ9x.0.3-4.t2sDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com LOL | -----Original Message----- | From: luca [mailto:lucafeed@tin.it] | Sent: Thursday 01 June 2000 3:50 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: R: ECHOPLEX NIGHTMARE | | | What does "toes" mean ? | Luca __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 2 03:44:19 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA22279; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 03:44:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 03:44:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: R: ECHOPLEX NIGHTMARE Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 00:10:25 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000601213425.007bb3b0@pop.ici.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"Edfj82.0.F05.N5sDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You learn something new every day... | -----Original Message----- | From: Tim Nelson [mailto:tcn62@ici.net] | Sent: Thursday 01 June 2000 6:34 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: R: ECHOPLEX NIGHTMARE | | | Toes are digital foot appendages commonly found wiggling in the | front part | of shoes or Dennis's socks. Players of classical Indian | instruments often | wear no footwear, thus leaving their toes exposed to view. Toes | are useful | for operating musical electronics when one's hands are occupied. | | ("Keeping us on our toes" is an idiom meaning "requiring us to | be alert and | attentive".) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 2 07:10:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10146; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 07:10:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 07:10:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001901bfcc7e$e3629ea0$e132dacf@z8y9w0> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <054001bfcb4d$297cfa80$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Subject: Re: trade secrets! (was Re: barefoot looping) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 03:39:52 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Resent-Message-ID: <"yMRQP2.0.4S6.GzuDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kind of like those Ninja-style shoe socks Buckaroo Bonzai had? :) Actually, I've come to use the kind of shoe-socks they give away on international flights. They don't have a separated big toe, but it's a lot easier to press those little buttons on the Zoom units... Stephen Goodman * The free Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 23:56 Subject: Re: trade secrets! (was Re: barefoot looping) > Since I never wear more than recycled tyre sandals, those socks would > call too much atention... and mabe harm my fame for toe operation... > > Then looking at them: How about a shoe design that looks like socks > to wear after off stage? > > > > > >When you go to http://www.flaxart.com/index2.asp?bnav=3 , you'll have to click > >on "Socks", then on "Shoesocks". > > > >When somebody in the audience notices them, they always smile. > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 2 07:47:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30454; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 07:47:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 07:47:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3938170B.BD159703@vtx.ch> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 13:20:27 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: trade secrets! (was Re: barefoot looping) References: <054001bfcb4d$297cfa80$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> <001901bfcc7e$e3629ea0$e132dacf@z8y9w0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QvJdw2.0.8v5.JlvDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Another gear thread.... "Enculeurs de mouches" (its rude but in french) :) Claude "Stephen P. Goodman" wrote: > > Kind of like those Ninja-style shoe socks Buckaroo Bonzai had? :) > > Actually, I've come to use the kind of shoe-socks they give away on > international flights. They don't have a separated big toe, but it's a lot > easier to press those little buttons on the Zoom units... > > Stephen Goodman * The free Loop of the Week! > EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthias Grob" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 23:56 > Subject: Re: trade secrets! (was Re: barefoot looping) > > > Since I never wear more than recycled tyre sandals, those socks would > > call too much atention... and mabe harm my fame for toe operation... > > > > Then looking at them: How about a shoe design that looks like socks > > to wear after off stage? > > > > > > > > > >When you go to http://www.flaxart.com/index2.asp?bnav=3 , you'll have to > click > > >on "Socks", then on "Shoesocks". > > > > > >When somebody in the audience notices them, they always smile. > > > > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 2 08:04:52 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08996; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 08:04:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 08:04:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 13:52:12 +0200 Subject: The Pro Creation Music Library System! From: barry and megan shear To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MGdjj1.0.sv7.u-vDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check this out! http://www.procreation.co.za Megan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 2 10:02:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04459; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:02:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:02:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: partagas.dragonet.es: [193.153.178.54] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000602155912.01039e78@mail.dragonet.es> X-Sender: d3055@mail.dragonet.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 15:59:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "R.Mutt" Subject: Fandango Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"dFf-_.0.lx7.OnxDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi tappers ! anybody ever listened to a fandango played with the stick ? hei , .. i did it ! it was a live impro. that turned into a fandango to the end ... je je je ... i never thought of using this kind of spanish rythmic structures, since i don't care so much about or folk tradition but again, the unexpected happened ! the drumming is on the stick too ... looped with my Plex. :-) if curious, go to this page and click on IAD, http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/Doctor_Sax_News/ cheers, R.Mutt /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Tapeadores http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/tap /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 2 11:42:17 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24341; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:42:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:42:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 16:23:57 +0100 From: alan maguire Subject: RE: Fandango To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-id: <41574F582E98D311A57900508B8B414319C61D@EXCHANGE> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: <"ZYABn1.0.Xj5.UFzDv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Nice loops! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 2 13:24:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17200; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:24:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:24:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 14:16:34 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: mute 1 of many loops, once Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"kJrFI.0.Ct2.tj-Dv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Yes, I have found myself wanting a solution to this situation too. An >alternate idea to the new command solution would be that whenever a muted >loop is exited, the next time one comes around to it, it would be >automatically unmuted. Muting it would be by request only (Next-Mute). Ok, sounds easy, maybe better to operate since you dont need to remember which loop is muted and which not. I think I had it like this once and then found it inconsistent in case of not quantized, where you dont have time to press Next-Mute. But it still might not make sense to come back to a muted loop. What do other users think of this solution? >Eric Zang >www.listen.to/zang thats a cool URL! ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 2 14:46:41 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26125; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 14:46:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 14:46:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 11:20:28 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, matthias@grob.org Subject: Re: mute 1 of many loops, once Resent-Message-ID: <"0X4iG2.0.sU3.Ji_Dv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This actually sounds like the preferred mode to me... -Miko >>> Matthias Grob 06/02 10:22 AM >>> >Yes, I have found myself wanting a solution to this situation too. An >alternate idea to the new command solution would be that whenever a muted >loop is exited, the next time one comes around to it, it would be >automatically unmuted. Muting it would be by request only (Next-Mute). Ok, sounds easy, maybe better to operate since you dont need to remember which loop is muted and which not. I think I had it like this once and then found it inconsistent in case of not quantized, where you dont have time to press Next-Mute. But it still might not make sense to come back to a muted loop. What do other users think of this solution? >Eric Zang >www.listen.to/zang thats a cool URL! ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 2 15:03:34 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03712; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:03:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:03:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3937FE2B.F80D767E@best.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 11:34:19 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: trade secrets! (was Re: barefoot looping) References: <054001bfcb4d$297cfa80$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5KHPC3.0.nH5.Ox_Dv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You know, I've had dreams of being on a stage with nothing more on than socks, sometimes socks and shoes. To hear that someone actually does this with just sandals is inspiring. Maybe I will have to try it for my stage debut! :-) :-) :-) -Allan Matthias Grob wrote: > Since I never wear more than recycled tyre sandals, those socks would > call too much atention... and mabe harm my fame for toe operation... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 2 15:26:05 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16635; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:26:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:26:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <393806FA.AE82CA30@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 12:12:01 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: trade secrets! (was Re: barefoot looping) References: <054001bfcb4d$297cfa80$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> <001901bfcc7e$e3629ea0$e132dacf@z8y9w0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PxFJ-1.0.-p1.kQ0Ev"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Stephen P. Goodman" wrote: > Kind of like those Ninja-style shoe socks Buckaroo Bonzai had? :) > > Actually, I've come to use the kind of shoe-socks they give away on > international flights. They don't have a separated big toe... the kind with the separate "toe"*, i used to wear as a kid. we called them "tabbies". i think they're from japan, originally... anyone worried about getting a shock from going barefoot? lance g. *see prev. posts. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 2 17:14:09 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32043; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:14:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:14:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000602165647.007b3370@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 16:56:47 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: trade secrets! (was Re: barefoot looping) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"T9-wz.0.EF5.4x1Ev"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >At 12:12 PM 6/2/00 -0700, you wrote: >>...Ninja-style shoe socks Buckaroo Bonzai had? :)... >>> Actually, I've come to use the kind of shoe-socks they give away on >>> international flights. They don't have a separated big toe... >>...anyone worried about getting a shock from going barefoot?... >>*see prev. posts. > Sounds like this tread (sorry, bad pun) might be heading towards "playing seated vs standing" territory. I play standing, but since I'm pretty much right-footed as far as operating switches and pedals, I've found that lately I've been getting a very sore left heel, and often wish I could be using both feet to control my electrons, though I'm not sure I really want to play seated. How have you fellow box-stompers and treadletoes dealt with this? Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 2 17:44:01 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17257; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:44:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:44:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200006022128.OAA08825@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 14:28:20 -0800 Subject: Re: trade secrets! (was Re: barefoot looping) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NUeEs3.0.912.JS2Ev"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com STANNER SAYS:"Play thru the pain"! ---------- >From: Tim Nelson >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: trade secrets! (was Re: barefoot looping) >Date: Fri, Jun 2, 2000, 12:56 PM > >>At 12:12 PM 6/2/00 -0700, you wrote: >>>...Ninja-style shoe socks Buckaroo Bonzai had? :)... >>>> Actually, I've come to use the kind of shoe-socks they give away on >>>> international flights. They don't have a separated big toe... >>>...anyone worried about getting a shock from going barefoot?... >>>*see prev. posts. >> > Sounds like this tread (sorry, bad pun) might be heading towards "playing > seated vs standing" territory. I play standing, but since I'm pretty much > right-footed as far as operating switches and pedals, I've found that > lately I've been getting a very sore left heel, and often wish I could be > using both feet to control my electrons, though I'm not sure I really want > to play seated. How have you fellow box-stompers and treadletoes dealt with > this? > > Tim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 2 17:51:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20997; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:51:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:51:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00ef01bfccd2$f348dba0$1101a8c0@pacbell.net> Reply-To: "Matt McCabe" From: "Matt McCabe" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: looper's delight radio at mp3.com Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:41:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"AMaxj.0.zw3.Be2Ev"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greetings! In an effort to promote loop-based music, I've put together a "radio station" at mp3.com for Looper's Delight subscribers. It's a whole lot cheaper and easier than doing compilation CDs!! Anyway, in order for this to work I need submissions!!! So, if you have music available on mp3, send me your Artist name and the name of the song you want to submit. When we have a decent database of songs, I'll post the link to the list. Matt P.S. Please send submissions to finley@skyq.com **not** the list. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 2 18:09:00 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00844; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:09:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:09:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 14:55:22 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, stanitarium@earthlink.net Subject: Re: trade secrets! (was Re: barefoot looping) Resent-Message-ID: <"ILT0s1.0.LE6.Us2Ev"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm a stand up guy as well... I often find I'd like to be waving one foot over my Fuzz Probe antenna while working a volume pedal with the other. I DO step on a footswitch with my left foot (Boss FS5U) and weight it... then work my volume pedal or wah with the other. I'm considering getting a stool like thing for sitting on briefly when I need to go "total control freak" mode... -m >>> 06/02 2:41 PM >>> STANNER SAYS:"Play thru the pain"! ---------- >From: Tim Nelson >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: trade secrets! (was Re: barefoot looping) >Date: Fri, Jun 2, 2000, 12:56 PM > >>At 12:12 PM 6/2/00 -0700, you wrote: >>>...Ninja-style shoe socks Buckaroo Bonzai had? :)... >>>> Actually, I've come to use the kind of shoe-socks they give away on >>>> international flights. They don't have a separated big toe... >>>...anyone worried about getting a shock from going barefoot?... >>>*see prev. posts. >> > Sounds like this tread (sorry, bad pun) might be heading towards "playing > seated vs standing" territory. I play standing, but since I'm pretty much > right-footed as far as operating switches and pedals, I've found that > lately I've been getting a very sore left heel, and often wish I could be > using both feet to control my electrons, though I'm not sure I really want > to play seated. How have you fellow box-stompers and treadletoes dealt with > this? > > Tim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 2 18:26:44 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11980; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:26:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:26:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000602181339.007bd770@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 18:13:39 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: trade secrets! (was Re: barefoot looping) In-Reply-To: <200006022128.OAA08825@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"av8mM.0.KH.x23Ev"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 02:28 PM 6/2/00 -0800, you wrote: >STANNER SAYS:"Play thru the pain"! Ouch!!! I was thinking more about the "using both feet" aspect of it... I used to use some pretty heavy-duty pedals and could actually stand on, say, a big clunky DeArmond volume pedal or a Crybaby for a second while still operating it and switching another pedal at the same time. Now I've got Roland and Bespeco stuff with a lot less metal and more plastic, and some of the lighter-gauge Digitech stuff that I wouldn't dare attempt to stand on; it's a question of durability. Although in defense of the Roland FV-50 volume pedal, I've been using the same one since 1987 with no problems! Maybe I'll bring along a stool to use SOME of the time... Great, more stuff to cart around... Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 2 18:54:28 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24516; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:54:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:54:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:42:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: trade secrets! (was Re: barefoot looping) In-Reply-To: <200006022128.OAA08825@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ByEGj2.0.GF5.PX3Ev"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com meself - i spend a lot of time on my knees on the floor. just seems easier that way, and usually i'm headed down there sooner or later anyway. and 0you can sort of get better control working a footpedal w/ yr hands actually! n.b.- this technique only works well if you do not worry yrself unduly with related activities, such as actually playing an instrument very much (& w/ all that looping going on, who really has to?) i bring a drum stool (when i REMEMBER to bring it, that is) which really facilitates the swivel-thing. also - they are easy to bail out of when yr heading south. talk about "play thru the pain", after shows man my knees are generally barking like a catcher's with about 12 years in the bigs! but lovin it, rbrt On Fri, 2 Jun 2000 stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > STANNER SAYS:"Play thru the pain"! > > ---------- > >From: Tim Nelson > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: Re: trade secrets! (was Re: barefoot looping) > >Date: Fri, Jun 2, 2000, 12:56 PM > > > > >>At 12:12 PM 6/2/00 -0700, you wrote: > >>>...Ninja-style shoe socks Buckaroo Bonzai had? :)... > >>>> Actually, I've come to use the kind of shoe-socks they give away on > >>>> international flights. They don't have a separated big toe... > >>>...anyone worried about getting a shock from going barefoot?... > >>>*see prev. posts. > >> > > Sounds like this tread (sorry, bad pun) might be heading towards "playing > > seated vs standing" territory. I play standing, but since I'm pretty much > > right-footed as far as operating switches and pedals, I've found that > > lately I've been getting a very sore left heel, and often wish I could be > > using both feet to control my electrons, though I'm not sure I really want > > to play seated. How have you fellow box-stompers and treadletoes dealt with > > this? > > > > Tim > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 2 18:57:36 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24773; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:57:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:57:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <7a.60eb2b0.26699379@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:47:21 EDT Subject: Re: Fandango To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"XlddM3.0.op5.Rc3Ev"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/2/00 1:01:31 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, rauboto@dragonet.es writes: << http://www.dragonet.es/users/d3055/Doctor_Sax_News/ >> raul...........great site!!..........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 2 22:02:39 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00804; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 22:02:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 22:02:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000602165647.007b3370@pop.ici.net> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 21:37:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: trade secrets! (was Re: barefoot looping) Resent-Message-ID: <"P01pl.0.1w6.lJ6Ev"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >On 6'2'00 tim Nelson wrote: >> >Sounds like this tread (sorry, bad pun) might be heading towards "playing >seated vs standing" territory. I play standing, but since I'm pretty much >right-footed as far as operating switches and pedals, I've found that >lately I've been getting a very sore left heel, and often wish I could be >using both feet to control my electrons, though I'm not sure I really want >to play seated. How have you fellow box-stompers and treadletoes dealt with >this? > >Tim I play seated... too much stuff on the floor to do any other way.... Patrick From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 2 22:52:31 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01615; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 22:52:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 22:52:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000602225119.007c5100@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 22:51:19 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: More reading In-Reply-To: References: <7e.598ff49.2666fc80@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"FgLL23.0.uj7.G77Ev"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Another entry for the "Books Loopers Might Like" list would be Robert Jourdain's "Music, the Brain and Ecstasy: How Music Captures Our Imagination", Avon/Bard, 1997. I can't give a full review since I haven't finished it yet, but I can tell from what I have read so far that covers a lot of the threads we've discussed here. Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 2 23:08:51 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11675; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 23:08:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 23:08:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 23:07:46 -0400 Subject: Re: trade secrets! (was Re: barefoot looping) From: Doug Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Si6Wn2.0.F22.GN7Ev"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm standing, but gravity and age are pulling me towards a seat. You're right about that left foot starting to hurt! It maybe time for a padded stool soon! @:^( ______________________________________ Doug "Geezer" Miller Illustrator/graphic designer http://home.columbus.rr.com/dougmiller Website updated 6/2/00, check it out! >> How have you fellow box-stompers and treadletoes dealt with >> this? > I play seated... too much stuff on the floor to do any other way.... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 3 00:31:02 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25729; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 00:31:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 00:31:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: ejdrake@pop3.coollink.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <714-39371863-1533@storefull-115.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 00:14:27 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed and Jennifer Drake Subject: Re: Jamman V0.4 + MIDI control Resent-Message-ID: <"D1JRy3.0.0G4.UO8Ev"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello all loopers! I just thought I'd pipe in about Bob's new ROM. I think to really dive into what it can do, you need a really good MIDI controller of some kind, as the original interface/display on the JamMan is "terse" at best (Bob's own word). The display being what it is, the only way you can really access the new features is through MIDI. It's also helpful to make new labels for the front panel, since he's changed what the front panel LEDs and knob positions are. It's really cool to have available on a page, up to 4 simultaneous loops at the same time each with pan and level control (but still only 32 seconds max time). If you use really short loops, you can have multiple pages with up to 4 loops per page. My favorite thing he has incorporated into the ROM is that the Delay mode (with feedback control) is now available while looping. I know the EDP already does this (I own and use both the JamMan and EDP) but it's great to have it on the JamMan now as well. I think there is at least one bug in the software (mostly an audio bug when you do a specific function) but for the most part it's fairly stable, no crashing or anything. It's a shame that Bob can't get any support for new loops at Lex, because I think this ROM could be a great starting point on a newer generation JamMan with updated hardware, display, etc and would be a nice new addition to the looping world. I'm using the Digitech PMC-10 (so far so good) to access my JamMan and EDP and I was wondering how you other folks with MIDI controllers set up your banks, patches, etc. Do you set them up to access all the functions that you want to control of one particular piece of gear in each bank (kind of the way I do it now, I have a JamMan bank, EDP bank, effects bank, etc) or do you set each bank up to be song or piece specific where you have control over several loopers, effects, etc. all in the same bank. I'm just looking for any feedback to get me to look at this stuff differently and try things I hadn't thought of before. Thanks in advance! Kim, I have a new email address if you want to change it on the LD JamMan webpage. Loop on Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 3 10:26:16 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28704; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 10:26:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 10:26:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39398FAD.3D6398F1@vtx.ch> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 16:07:25 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: mute 1 of many loops, once References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WPodG2.0.sG6.mHHEv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Matthias Grob wrote: > > >Yes, I have found myself wanting a solution to this situation too. An > >alternate idea to the new command solution would be that whenever a muted > >loop is exited, the next time one comes around to it, it would be > >automatically unmuted. Muting it would be by request only (Next-Mute). I'm OK for that too Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 3 18:25:20 2000 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19139; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 18:25:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 18:25:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003f01bfcda8$82adeee0$9983abd4@h2v6p1> From: "luca" To: References: <39398FAD.3D6398F1@vtx.ch> Subject: R: mute 1 of many loops, once Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 00:08:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"eFVkt3.0.Cx2.c1OEv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I also agree. Luca ----- Original Message ----- From: Claude voit To: Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 1:07 AM Subject: Re: mute 1 of many loops, once > > > Matthias Grob wrote: > > > > >Yes, I have found myself wanting a solution to this situation too. An > > >alternate idea to the new command solution would be that whenever a muted > > >loop is exited, the next time one comes around to it, it would be > > >automatically unmuted. Muting it would be by request only (Next-Mute). > > I'm OK for that too > > Claude > > From aurisis Sat Jun 3 20:16:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22371 for looparc@annihilist.com; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 20:16:41 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22365; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 20:16:40 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04496; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 20:14:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 20:14:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 17:14:34 -0700 Subject: Re: Jamman V0.4 + MIDI control From: "Kevin" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000604001010.PYOR2513.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.6.222.153]> Resent-Message-ID: <"S6zKN3.0.PE.cvPEv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Ed: Tell us...what how old is the latest version of the JAMMAN rom you are talking about? We've been using one that Bob blew last year...about the same time as the last updates, we think, on the STEC jamman page. Best, Roctologists ---------- >From: Ed and Jennifer Drake >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Jamman V0.4 + MIDI control >Date: Fri, Jun 2, 2000, 9:14 PM > > Hello all loopers! > I just thought I'd pipe in about Bob's new ROM. I think to really > dive into what it can do, you need a really good MIDI controller of some > kind, as the original interface/display on the JamMan is "terse" at best > (Bob's own word). The display being what it is, the only way you can > really access the new features is through MIDI. It's also helpful to make > new labels for the front panel, since he's changed what the front panel > LEDs and knob positions are. > It's really cool to have available on a page, up to 4 simultaneous > loops at the same time each with pan and level control (but still only 32 > seconds max time). If you use really short loops, you can have multiple > pages with up to 4 loops per page. > My favorite thing he has incorporated into the ROM is that the > Delay mode (with feedback control) is now available while looping. I know > the EDP already does this (I own and use both the JamMan and EDP) but it's > great to have it on the JamMan now as well. I think there is at least one > bug in the software (mostly an audio bug when you do a specific function) > but for the most part it's fairly stable, no crashing or anything. > It's a shame that Bob can't get any support for new loops at Lex, > because I think this ROM could be a great starting point on a newer > generation JamMan with updated hardware, display, etc and would be a nice > new addition to the looping world. > I'm using the Digitech PMC-10 (so far so good) to access my JamMan > and EDP and I was wondering how you other folks with MIDI controllers set > up your banks, patches, etc. Do you set them up to access all the > functions that you want to control of one particular piece of gear in each > bank (kind of the way I do it now, I have a JamMan bank, EDP bank, effects > bank, etc) or do you set each bank up to be song or piece specific where > you have control over several loopers, effects, etc. all in the same bank. > I'm just looking for any feedback to get me to look at this stuff > differently and try things I hadn't thought of before. Thanks in advance! > > Kim, I have a new email address if you want to change it on the LD JamMan > webpage. > > Loop on > > Ed > > > > > From aurisis Sat Jun 3 22:11:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22964 for looparc@annihilist.com; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 22:11:51 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22958; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 22:11:51 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16481; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 22:08:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 22:08:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <010801bfcdc8$bb5004c0$85ae5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #167 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 22:00:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"reYhu3.0.aP2.iXREv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #167 June 1, 2000. On this show, I began a month-long focus on Dutch synthesist Ron Boots. The feature CD at Midnight was the Odds & Ends disk from the six disc collection "The 80's Box" on the Groove label. The music of Jeff Pearce and Kevin Keller was played in support of their upcoming concert at The Gathering on June 10, 2000. Jeff Pearce http://www.hypnos.com/pearce Kevin Keller http://www.kevinkeller.com The Gathering http://www.thegatherings.org ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Revival Intro Revival (none) Jonn Serrie & Gary Hidden World Hidden World (Narada) Stroutsos Djam Karet Angels Without Wings Suspension & Displacement (Cuneiform) Hemisphere The Inversion of Mind Inversion (Groove) Ramp Frozen Radios Frozen Radios (none) VA [Spaceman C] It's About Time Sequences No. 23 (none) Ozone Player Warezz Relay It (none) Kevin Keller Trio Across the Sky Part 3 Iris by Night (none) Vidna Obmana & Jeff Horizon of Thought True Stories (Mirage) Pearce VA [Twine] Illumination Ambient Landscapes 2 (Dark Duck) 12:00 am Ron Boots The Seedling Odds & Ends (Groove) Ron Boots Radio Dance Odds & Ends (Groove) Ron Boots The Run Odds & Ends (Groove) Ron Boots Andromeda Odds & Ends (Groove) Ron Boots Flightlog Odds & Ends (Groove) Ron Boots Swallows Passing Odds & Ends (Groove) Ron Boots Among the Stars Odds & Ends (Groove) Ron Boots Twisted Stories * Odds & Ends (Groove) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Ron Boots. Each week's feature CD at midnight will be taken from the Boots 80's Box, a collection of his early cassette releases remastered and other rare tracks. The feature CD at midnight will be "New Dream" on the Groove label. From aurisis Sat Jun 3 22:31:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23047 for looparc@annihilist.com; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 22:31:31 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23041; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 22:31:31 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01823; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 22:29:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 22:29:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: ejdrake@pop3.coollink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000604001010.PYOR2513.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.6.222.153]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 22:18:58 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed and Jennifer Drake Subject: Re: Jamman V0.4 + MIDI control Resent-Message-ID: <"d6b4e3.0.u86.inREv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi again, Kevin, I think V0.4 is the latest version, it came out late 99, early 2000. You can tell which version you have, when you turn on the JamMan you see "SPECIAL"and then 04 or 0x on the display for whichever version you have. I also forgot two other newer features he has added, which I haven't actually tried out a lot: a sampler mode and a pseudo Mellotron mode. I don't think Bob totally rewrites the documentation on his website for each new version, I believe he just adds updates on new pages usually highlighted with an asterisk or in red or something. I think he is in the process of redoing the info now. He also leaves the older manuals for folks who have the older versions. I have found inconsistencies in some of the documentation, so if anyone has questions, feel free to email me. Also, I found it really helpful to print out the manual. Here is the URL for the newest manual. http://people.ne.mediaone.net/sellon/jamman0_4contents.htm Ed >Hi Ed: > >Tell us...what how old is the latest version of the JAMMAN rom you are >talking about? We've been using one that Bob blew last year...about the >same time as the last updates, we think, on the STEC jamman page. > >Best, >Roctologists > From aurisis Sat Jun 3 23:39:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23120 for looparc@annihilist.com; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 23:39:23 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23114; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 23:39:22 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11855; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 23:37:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 23:37:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 20:34:49 -0700 Subject: Re: Jamman V0.4 + MIDI control From: "Kevin" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000604033024.WOZG2513.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.6.222.153]> Resent-Message-ID: <"6n5Fv.0.pQ1.JrSEv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Ed: We have version .02, so we will have to contact Bob and see what he has to say...always a treat. Your posts are most helpful. We also have obtained an older pmc-10 and will be using it to midi access the Jamman from here on in, so hope we can email for hints, since you have trod Jamman/pmc 10 path before. Best, Roctologists ---------- >From: Ed and Jennifer Drake >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Jamman V0.4 + MIDI control >Date: Sat, Jun 3, 2000, 7:18 PM > > Hi again, > Kevin, I think V0.4 is the latest version, it came out late 99, > early 2000. You can tell which version you have, when you turn on the > JamMan you see > "SPECIAL"and then 04 or 0x on the display for whichever version you have. > I also forgot two other newer features he has added, which I haven't > actually tried out a lot: a sampler mode and a pseudo Mellotron mode. I > don't think Bob totally rewrites the documentation on his website for each > new version, I believe he just adds updates on new pages usually > highlighted with an asterisk or in red or something. I think he is in the > process of redoing the info now. He also leaves the older manuals for > folks who have the older versions. I have found inconsistencies in some of > the documentation, so if anyone has questions, feel free to email me. Also, > I found it really helpful to print out the manual. > Here is the URL for the newest manual. > http://people.ne.mediaone.net/sellon/jamman0_4contents.htm > > Ed > >>Hi Ed: >> >>Tell us...what how old is the latest version of the JAMMAN rom you are >>talking about? We've been using one that Bob blew last year...about the >>same time as the last updates, we think, on the STEC jamman page. >> >>Best, >>Roctologists >> > > > From aurisis Sun Jun 4 05:00:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23608 for looparc@annihilist.com; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 05:00:43 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA23604 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 05:00:42 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18048; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 04:57:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 04:57:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 10:54:07 +0100 Subject: looking for grooves From: Superpolpaccio To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4_4WY.0.Sw2.RWXEv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For a dance/theattre show I've been asked to work with ACID, the grooves-builder program. I found the program but does anyone know a place in the web where I can find the grooves to work with? thanks marco From aurisis Sun Jun 4 09:30:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23800 for looparc@annihilist.com; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 09:30:11 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23796 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 09:30:10 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24830; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 09:28:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 09:28:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000604092453.007b5360@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 09:24:53 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: looking for grooves In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"lp8uj3.0.zu4.CVbEv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Try At 10:54 AM 6/4/00 +0100, you wrote: >For a dance/theattre show I've been asked to work with ACID, the >grooves-builder program. >I found the program but does anyone know a place in the web where I can find >the grooves to work with? >thanks >marco > > From aurisis Sun Jun 4 11:27:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23902 for looparc@annihilist.com; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 11:27:01 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23898 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 11:27:00 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14275; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 11:25:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 11:25:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002e01bfce39$6e53b2e0$6187abd4@h2v6p1> From: "luca" To: Subject: pictures Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 17:27:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"hTiDu.0.jI2.vDdEv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A few years ago in a dark and dusty corner of a record-shop I have found an lp of a band called "Pictures". I have lost it, but I remember I have been hardly impressed by them. It was produced in Usa during the first 80's. Does anyone know something of this band? Thanks, Luca From aurisis Mon Jun 5 02:17:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24953 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 02:17:13 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA24949 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 02:17:11 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA25111; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 02:14:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 02:14:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006401bfceb3$7f3dfd20$151ebcc8@doutor> From: "Julio Moreno" To: Subject: test Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:01:28 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0061_01BFCE9A.58226DC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Resent-Message-ID: <"GJKKI3.0.W04.c8qEv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01BFCE9A.58226DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01BFCE9A.58226DC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_0061_01BFCE9A.58226DC0-- From aurisis Mon Jun 5 02:55:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24978 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 02:55:11 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA24974 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 02:55:11 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22288; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 02:53:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 02:53:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <013101bfceb9$296acd00$a122dacf@z8y9w0> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <006401bfceb3$7f3dfd20$151ebcc8@doutor> Subject: Re: test Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:42:00 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0128_01BFCE7E.7A435F20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Resent-Message-ID: <"PAze_3.0.Vf3.clqEv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0128_01BFCE7E.7A435F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep, I can see you. Is there anyone else here? :) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Julio Moreno=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 23:01 Subject: test ------=_NextPart_000_0128_01BFCE7E.7A435F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yep, I can see = you.  Is there=20 anyone else here? :)
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------=_NextPart_000_0128_01BFCE7E.7A435F20-- From aurisis Mon Jun 5 02:55:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24994 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 02:55:45 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA24990 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 02:55:44 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22392; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 02:53:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 02:53:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <393806FA.AE82CA30@earthlink.net> References: <054001bfcb4d$297cfa80$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> <001901bfcc7e$e3629ea0$e132dacf@z8y9w0> <393806FA.AE82CA30@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:52:49 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: trade secrets! (was Re: barefoot looping) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"jWAzJ.0.o-4.csqEv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >anyone worried about getting a shock from going barefoot? not just worried, its common to feel some electricity since they have no ground in the wall conectors at all in Brasil and all is humid and the marvelous american machines tend not to isolate perfectly ground from supply. But the current is not so deadly high, just annoying. So I put my feet on the pedals first and than grab the guitar... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From aurisis Mon Jun 5 03:07:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25049 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:07:34 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA25045 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:07:33 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA28870; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:05:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:05:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:59:35 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: The seasick lurker Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZInEj.0.Zy5.qyqEv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com We allways have to consider the lurker out there which subscribed because he bought a boomerrang because his voice teacher had told him that it is a good tool to control the quality of the voice. Then he reads all that "loop religion" stuff about playing in strange places, walking away during the piece, "let it play", and twisted sound ambiences. He concludes that there is a lack in his mind and starts exercising polyrithmical voice loops and gets really seasick of it but thinks that this is part of the process and separates from his girlfriend and the music besides of beeing horrible is all that he has left in his lonelyness and then his psychiater discovers all and puts him on some drug and prohibits looping and the lurker becomes fine again and unsubcribes. may never have happened, or we never heard about it :-) ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From aurisis Mon Jun 5 03:15:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25067 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:15:49 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA25063 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:15:48 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01025; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:14:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:14:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:58:11 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: The rock virtuoso Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"qalR71.0.Fn5.fxqEv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com in '96 I wrote, but did not post two strange mails: There might be many many colegues who bought a cool looper box because they do cool rock and roll in the trio and when soloing need a machine that plays the harmonies like Hendrix did not have. They wonder about all those buttons and functions and subscribe and then find the LD guys are writing really weird stuff about therapy and socks and then buy one of the LD CDs and find the sound even more strange and unsubscribe. This is just to remind that usualy the majority does not appear and the minority AND the majority think that this appearing minority is the majority and the real majority is a unimportant minority... How is it in our case? ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From aurisis Mon Jun 5 03:37:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25087 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:37:47 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA25083 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:37:46 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04185; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:35:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:35:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Bad-Idea: su; rm -rf / X-Blasphemy: Invert me under my stars. Message-Id: <4.1.20000605011124.00ada100@208.129.32.53> X-Sender: reverendrob@208.129.32.53 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 01:13:34 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: The rock virtuoso In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"mGoh-1.0.YU.nHrEv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At or around 03:58 AM 6/5/00 -0300, Matthias Grob wrote: >There might be many many colegues who bought a cool looper box >because they do cool rock and roll in the trio and when soloing need >a machine that plays the harmonies like Hendrix did not have. In such an instance, a simple 'sample and hold' generally works just fine, which is why I still run into many a rock musician using the ubiquitous 1-second sample on a Boss floor pedal or something. >This is just to remind that usualy the majority does not appear and >the minority AND the majority think that this appearing minority is >the majority and the real majority is a unimportant minority... > >How is it in our case? In our case here, I have to wonder whether there's a majority of EDP users in the community, or simply those who have them post more due to the presence of tech support and whatnot for the units? 93/156 == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ================================================================= http://www.reverendrob.com : feedback and echo MP3s From aurisis Mon Jun 5 03:56:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25118 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:56:17 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA25114 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:56:17 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05935; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:54:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:54:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@pop.e-net.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000605011124.00ada100@208.129.32.53> References: <4.1.20000605011124.00ada100@208.129.32.53> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 04:52:21 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: The rock virtuoso Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"iPM2f3.0.hN1.JkrEv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >At or around 03:58 AM 6/5/00 -0300, Matthias Grob wrote: > >>There might be many many colegues who bought a cool looper box >>because they do cool rock and roll in the trio and when soloing need > >a machine that plays the harmonies like Hendrix did not have. Rob answered: >In such an instance, a simple 'sample and hold' generally works just fine, >which is why I still run into many a rock musician using the ubiquitous >1-second sample on a Boss floor pedal or something. no, for the kind of use I thought of, you need at least 4 seconds, rather 30: a whole chord change turn arround. So it is a reason to buy an EDP for example. > >This is just to remind that usualy the majority does not appear and >>the minority AND the majority think that this appearing minority is >>the majority and the real majority is a unimportant minority... >> >>How is it in our case? > >In our case here, I have to wonder whether there's a majority of EDP users >in the community, or simply those who have them post more due to the >presence of tech support and whatnot for the units? ok, I have been posting a lot, lately, so I may be the biggest distorter of this picture. Soon I'll unsubscribe for a while... We may also wonder about those crazy and sometimes genious musicians that live traveling and playing only and neither Email nor Sync fits into their way of living... ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From aurisis Mon Jun 5 04:11:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA25241 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 04:11:01 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA25237 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 04:11:00 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10510; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 04:09:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 04:09:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Bad-Idea: su; rm -rf / X-Blasphemy: Invert me under my stars. Message-Id: <4.1.20000605015229.00b68c70@208.129.32.53> X-Sender: reverendrob@208.129.32.53 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 01:54:04 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: The rock virtuoso In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.20000605011124.00ada100@208.129.32.53> <4.1.20000605011124.00ada100@208.129.32.53> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Mp2Gw1.0.Ba1.ltrEv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At or around 04:52 AM 6/5/00 -0300, Matthias Grob wrote: >no, for the kind of use I thought of, you need at least 4 seconds, >rather 30: a whole chord change turn arround. So it is a reason to >buy an EDP for example. Most of the 'looping' I've seen done at live shows by 'normal' musicians is pretty much a simple riff or a couple chords repeated while they solo, then it gets switched straight off. >We may also wonder about those crazy and sometimes genious musicians >that live traveling and playing only and neither Email nor Sync fits >into their way of living... Well, for those people, there's no hope. :) 93/156 == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ================================================================= http://www.reverendrob.com : feedback and echo MP3s From aurisis Mon Jun 5 07:51:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA25442 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 07:51:44 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA25438 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 07:51:44 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27300; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 07:49:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 07:49:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 07:08:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: The seasick lurker Resent-Message-ID: <"DbU13.0.cC3.cZuEv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On 6/4/00 mathias wrote: >he has left in his lonelyness and then his psychiater discovers all Mathias I suspect that your spelling of "psychiater" is merely a mispelling due to working in a second language. But I like it as a term for them....tends to denote some sort of psychic exploration which is what they are attempting. Thanks for amking me smile as I prepare to head to work. patrick Fingerpaint's New Release: IN THE LOOP ... an intelligent, stimulating mixture of mimimaist spacebeats and obscure samples layered upon a hypnotic illbient backdrop. DIGITAL ARTIFACT # 12 http://www.fingerpaint.net From aurisis Mon Jun 5 10:08:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25570 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:08:26 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25566 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:08:26 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22593; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:06:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:06:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000605132935.53418.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.129.59] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Yoo hoo Kim I'm over here! papadave55@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 06:29:35 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"b47L93.0.NX1.ejwEv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Has any one else had trouble with Kim being a jerk? Your listing process starts sending list messages to my wife's completely different address without any subscribing. Then you write her and blame me for screwing up. What a Man you are Kim!!! Own Up when you *uck up please! I havn't received any messages since May 18th or so. I wrote to you Kim but no responce. I subscribed and got no responce. This has happened twice before. Again we did nothing and the list started going places it was not asked to and stoped coming where it was wanted. It's understandable when things go wrong sometimes. PLease don't compound the problem by blaming others when you mess up. Loop On ......Om and Out Papa Dave papadave55@hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From aurisis Mon Jun 5 11:12:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25603 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:12:57 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25599 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:12:52 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08712; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:11:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:11:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002301bfceff$935e8210$42310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: The rock virtuoso Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:06:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"rNM1n1.0.YA.j3yEv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > This is just to remind that usualy the majority does not appear and > the minority AND the majority think that this appearing minority is > the majority and the real majority is a unimportant minority... I agree. Sadly, this is the only list I can unsubscr*be from periodically without fear of actually missing anything. (No offense, Kim.) I really enjoy LD - and the web site is fantastic - but sometimes the digressions and tangents, of which I am occasionally guilty of indulging in, are too much. The 80/20 Rule applies: For every 100 posts, 20 should be "keepers" or at least helpful in some way. Lately this has not been the case. - Larry T From aurisis Mon Jun 5 11:51:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25627 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:51:49 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25623 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:51:44 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03176; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:47:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:47:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Peter Dolak Message-Id: <200006051522.LAA20828@mail.crnet.net> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 11:22:00 -0400 (EDT) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: GIG -- Annapolis, Maryland X-Mailer: CrNet WebMail X-URL: http://www.crnet.net/ Resent-Message-ID: <"RKdKU.0.yZ3.6JyEv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Petr Dolak SLOWness: celebration of a slower life Poetry & Music Performance Guitars, looping, found instruments ____________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 10, 7 PM Memorial Garden Unitarian Universalist Church 333 Dubois Road Annapolis, MD Sunday, June 11, 8 PM St. John's College Annapolis, MD Either outside or inside For direction email: tracy.gill@noaa.gov For information about content email: pepetr@crnet.net From aurisis Mon Jun 5 12:05:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25648 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:05:39 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25644 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:05:39 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11659; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:04:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:04:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <31.5fa0a43.266d236c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:38:20 EDT Subject: Re: The seasick lurker To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"i7XXY.0.kC7.icyEv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/5/00 6:05:19 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, matthias@grob.org writes: << he bought a boomerrang >> just imagine if he bought an edp..........:).............michael From aurisis Mon Jun 5 12:06:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25664 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:06:32 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25660 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:06:32 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11747; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:04:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:04:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <6d.4b81c11.266d2661@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:50:57 EDT Subject: Re: Yoo hoo Kim I'm over here! papadave55@hotmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"bczlW2.0.9c1.2pyEv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/5/00 1:03:58 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, papadave55@hotmail.com writes: << Has any one else had trouble with Kim being a jerk? >> no dave, i havent, and i also havent had trouble with you being a jerk........we're all bozos on this bus..............om and chill the *uck out..............:)............michael From aurisis Mon Jun 5 12:26:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25685 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:26:16 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25681 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:26:15 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25080; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:24:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:24:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <6b.5284208.266d22bb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:35:23 EDT Subject: Re: test To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"ve-yd.0.z-6.qbyEv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/5/00 5:53:04 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, sgoodman@earthlight.net writes: << Is there anyone else here? :) >> just us chickens! From aurisis Mon Jun 5 12:29:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25701 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:29:13 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25697 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:29:13 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27206; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:27:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:27:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jprice01@aol.com Message-ID: <99.5b7a48a.266d291d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:02:37 EDT Subject: LOOPEY GIG ALERT - AKASH 06.09.00 @ BUTTER in PHILA. 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Regards, JP/AKASH From aurisis Mon Jun 5 12:45:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25757 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:45:54 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25753 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:45:54 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07212; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:43:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:43:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000605163535.24709.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.72] From: "Greg" To: Cc: References: <20000605132935.53418.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Yoo hoo Kim I'm over here! papadave55@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 09:34:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"FbYn_3.0.Sa.yRzEv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey papadave, You asked: > Has any one else had trouble with Kim being a jerk? Not in the least! I have also had some weird unsubcription issues lately, but I blame the lame (yet free) hotmail service you and I use -- or the Looper's Delight ISP Kim has complained about -- but I never blame Kim personally. Talk about an already thankless job. Thanks Kim! (there, now it's not so thankless...) Greg out. From aurisis Mon Jun 5 14:06:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25801 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:06:14 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25797 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:06:14 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29196; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:03:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:03:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 10:05:54 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Yoo hoo Kim I'm over here! papadave55@hotmail.com In-reply-to: <20000605132935.53418.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-ZjIs3.0.nE1.58-Ev"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow, Dave woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning and flamed me privately and publicly: At 6:29 AM -0700 6/5/00, David Potter wrote: >Has any one else had trouble with Kim being a jerk? Your listing process >starts sending list messages to my wife's completely different address >without any subscribing. Then you write her and blame me for screwing up. >What a Man you are Kim!!! Own Up when you *uck up please! I havn't >received any messages since May 18th or so. I wrote to you Kim but no >responce. I subscribed and got no responce. This has happened twice >before. Again we did nothing and the list started going places it was not >asked to and stoped coming where it was wanted. It's understandable when >things go wrong sometimes. PLease don't compound the problem by blaming >others when you mess up. > Loop On ......Om and Out Papa Dave > papadave55@hotmail.com >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Actually, Dave did in fact subscribe his wife's email address to list by mistake a couple of weeks ago, as he has done in the past. There have been no messages to me about it before yesterday, when she politely asked me to remove it and I did. Dave always blames the list server or me for it, when the "from" fields of the mails clearly have his wife's address in them. This time, his private flame to me even came from his wife's address. :-) So others don't repeat Dave's error, the lesson for today is "always send mail from your own account." The list server uses the address in the "from" field for processing requests. I thought it is sort of funny really, his poor wife getting all our boring mails. So I made a joke to her about it. So people don't go thinking a regularly flame other's spouses behind their back, here's the little joke I made to her: >>Please stop the 100's of emails coming to me at potter@cruzio.com I am >>a midwife not a looper. My husband David loops. His Email is >>papadave55@hotmail.com > >I removed your address. You may want to teach your husband how to use the >email program so he stops doing this to you. :-) > >kim amazing how a simple little sentence can spark such a tirade, eh? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From aurisis Mon Jun 5 14:06:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25817 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:06:25 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25813 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:06:24 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29423; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:04:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:04:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003401bfcf15$baa98d40$ae7579a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Yoo hoo Kim I'm over here! papadave55@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:43:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZFHaZ.0.uv4.hN-Ev"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You must be thinking of a different Kim- maybe of the female , old and bitter girlfriend variety. ;) Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Greg To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: papadave55@hotmail.com Date: Monday, June 05, 2000 9:49 AM Subject: Re: Yoo hoo Kim I'm over here! papadave55@hotmail.com >Hey papadave, > >You asked: >> Has any one else had trouble with Kim being a jerk? > >Not in the least! I have also had some weird unsubcription issues lately, >but I blame the lame (yet free) hotmail service you and I use -- or the >Looper's Delight ISP Kim has complained about -- but I never blame Kim >personally. Talk about an already thankless job. > >Thanks Kim! (there, now it's not so thankless...) > >Greg out. > > From aurisis Mon Jun 5 14:15:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25835 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:15:25 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25831 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:15:24 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02221; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:11:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:11:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <393C641B.61C6DF0B@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 19:38:19 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Yoo hoo Kim I'm over here! papadave55@hotmail.com References: <20000605132935.53418.qmail@hotmail.com> <20000605163535.24709.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xLlNH2.0.Jl6.TZ-Ev"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greg wrote: > > Hey papadave, > > You asked: > > Has any one else had trouble with Kim being a jerk? > > Not in the least! I have also had some weird unsubcription issues lately, Wonder why------------------------------------------_™_------- ???? Sorrry sorry sorry I couldnt resist to find it ;=) Hum et dégage Claude From aurisis Mon Jun 5 14:50:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25859 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:50:14 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25855 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:50:14 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28727; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:48:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:48:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: davelinn@micron.net Message-ID: <002e01bfcf1c$0cac0fe0$3bf9153f@davidlinn> To: References: <20000605132935.53418.qmail@hotmail.com> <20000605163535.24709.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Yoo hoo Kim I'm over here! papadave55@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:29:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"SrwRV2.0.DT4.AC_Ev"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Thanks Kim! (there, now it's not so thankless...) Ditto. Thanks, Kim! David Linn From aurisis Mon Jun 5 15:23:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25929 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 15:23:37 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25925 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 15:23:36 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16245; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 15:21:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 15:21:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 11:56:10 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, davelinn@micron.net Subject: Re: Yoo hoo Kim I'm over here! papadave55@hotmail.com Resent-Message-ID: <"fOROB.0.lX._V_Ev"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't know of a more selfless provider than our gracious host... (drum roll please...) Mr. Kim "Hey, who you lookin' at!" Flint. Thanks for everything Kim! Best list and most community I've ever found on the internet yet... So what if our discussions have been in a slump... 8-) -Miko >>> 06/05 11:44 AM >>> > Thanks Kim! (there, now it's not so thankless...) Ditto. Thanks, Kim! David Linn From aurisis Mon Jun 5 17:55:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26027 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:55:08 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26023 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:55:08 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27683; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:53:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:53:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01fb01bfcf33$0f4e1380$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: EDP/MIDI question Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:14:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"w5PoP2.0.ro5.oW1Fv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim, here's a question for you. How does the EDP respond when it recieves a MIDI Start (of song) message? It appears to me that the EDP sends a Start in response to a Start. (I got my MOTU MIDI Express XT last week and now I can sniff MIDI packets.) In my MIDI patchbay configuration adventures, I want everything to hear everything else. So if I have an EDP listening to itself (as well as everybody else), I see a constantly circulating MIDI Start when I have SYNC=out and I start a loop. I can reconfigure the topology so the EDP hears everybody except himself, but I found this Start behavior curious. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From aurisis Tue Jun 6 03:19:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26362 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 03:19:16 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA26358 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 03:19:15 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18847; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 03:17:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 03:17:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Power Cord Source Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 02:57:13 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"Tpyu43.0.xz.J3AFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was just putting my Echoplex in a rack with some other stuff- I was wondering if anyone knows of a source for shorter removeable power cords (US Voltage), like 8-10 inches, instead of the usual 6 feet or so- it really is a mess back there, even with wire ties. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave From aurisis Tue Jun 6 04:17:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26504 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 04:17:29 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA26500 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 04:17:28 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27500; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 04:15:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 04:15:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000606074640.568.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 00:46:40 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Power Cord Source To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"5Rrq42.0.ls1.anAFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hosa makes a 3 footer, PWC-143. I checked http://www.lentine.com to see if it was in their on-line catalog. I didn't see it listed, but they should be able to get it. Their prices on Hosa cables are usually better than most. John --- future perfect wrote: > I was just putting my Echoplex in a rack with some > other stuff- I was > wondering if anyone knows of a source for shorter > removeable power cords (US > Voltage), like 8-10 inches, instead of the usual 6 > feet or so- it really is > a mess back there, even with wire ties. > > Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices > http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave > > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From aurisis Tue Jun 6 07:33:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA26585 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 07:33:52 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26581 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 07:33:51 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA25344; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 07:32:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 07:32:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: The seasick lurker Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 13:08:25 +0200 Message-ID: <000201bfcfa7$89c30250$0301a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"IjjAg1.0.Qj5.ekDFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Matthias, if you have more of these looping impressions or comments on loop religion or socialistic studies on looping effects, please let us know (or at least mhs, by private email please). I'd perhaps like to compile a slightly humoristic "looping faq for beginner audients", as reactions to my looperformances (at art exhibitions mainly) by the audience were mostly filled with elements of pure non-understanding ("Groxy told me there would be also a musician here" - "Yes, that's the guy over there" - "You mean this long-haired typo who walks around the exhibition and plays some notes on his soprano sax from time to time" - "Well, he also created the ambient textures" - "But can't he just switch of his defective gear - at least when he leaves the room ?"). Greetings, Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks www.moinlabs.de From aurisis Tue Jun 6 07:55:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA26605 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 07:55:10 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26601 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 07:55:10 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA26245; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 07:50:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 07:50:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 07:29:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@red To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Happy the Man/Dark Aether Project in Falls Church VA Thursday Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"xXxsl2.0.i76.I4EFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In their first concert appearance in over 20 years, legendary progressive rockers 'Happy the Man' have reunited and will be performing at the historic State Theatre in Falls Church, VA on thursday June 8th with special guests The Dark Aether Project. Doors open at 7pm for this all ages show. Tickets are $15 and are available now through Ticketmaster. Happy the Man's lineup for the new millennium features members of the classic "Crafty Hands" lineup: Stan Whitaker, Frank Wyatt, Rick Kennell and Ron Riddle joined by new keyboardist David Rosenthal. The band will be performing old 'classics' that sound as fresh and invigorating today as they did 20+ years ago with new 'soon to be classics', their live show promises to be more exciting than ever! Their highly anticipated new album is also in the works and will be released in the fall/winter of 2000! See http://www.happytheman.com/ The Dark Aether Project features Adam Levin (Warr 8 string touch guitar/ keyboards/loops), Ray Weston (vocals/bass), Steev Geest (6 & 12 string guitars/guitar synth/loops) and Allen Brunelle (drums/keyboards/vocals). Their music has been called "..intense and blistering...amazing loops and shimmering textures that are at once haunting and dreamlike" by Expose. Progression critic Larry Nai writes: "Dark Aether Project hits a lot of progressive rock pleasure points with Feed the Silence, but make no mistake: this is not another derivative band with little new to say...this is an absolutely fabulous album." The band will feature music from their forthcoming third album. See: http://www.darkaether.net/ For directions and other information about The State Theatre, please visit http://www.thestatetheatre.com/ From aurisis Tue Jun 6 10:57:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26763 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:57:14 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26759 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:57:14 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07941; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:55:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:55:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <027501bfcfbf$96b990b0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Power Cord Source Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 09:00:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"KbfPG2.0.aK1.rFGFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > . . . >I was wondering if anyone knows of a source for shorter removeable power cords > . . . I had this problem as well. Here's my solution, adapt it as necessary: The company I work for has a roomful of old computers. Each one has an old power cord. I got the hardware tech to give me a couple (free! a good price!). I chopped them down and put my own AC plugs I got from the hardware store. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From aurisis Tue Jun 6 12:41:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26808 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:41:37 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26804 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:41:37 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09675; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:38:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:38:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:37:44 EDT Subject: Re: Power Cord Source To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: <"I5eot1.0.mg.mhHFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I like to make up a few shorties now and then to keep up with my growing supply of wall warts. It's great to be able to use every outlet on the power strip! The idea about the computer room cord source is great. I got a small supply from the college I go to when they upgraded their systems. Here is another source: American Science and Surplus www.sciplus.com I haven't been to the site but I'm sure they would help fill a request for the cables. I am lucky enough to have store right by my house and it's full of just about anything you couldn't imagine finding in a store. I seen a few bins full of cables like the one you would need to cut up for your setup. I think they were in the same aisle as the guts from a Teddy Ruxspin. Needless to say I had to buy one of those! :) Good luck, Peter B. From aurisis Tue Jun 6 13:29:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26836 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 13:29:26 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26832 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 13:29:22 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04826; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 13:27:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 13:27:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:55:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Power Cord Source In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"K7mCN.0.fx3.NqIFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Tue, 6 Jun 2000 Echophazer@aol.com wrote: > I like to make up a few shorties now and then to keep up with my growing > supply of wall warts. It's great to be able to use every outlet on the power > strip! yo can't recommend enough the extra-wide breakered 6 point strip that radio shack makes (primarily for video equip, but works fine for us) - totally allows the peaceful coexistance of hogs and flacos side by side. i have, like, 4 of them now! rbrt From aurisis Tue Jun 6 14:35:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26897 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:35:09 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26893 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:35:05 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17517; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:30:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:30:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00a901bfcfe5$1f575220$3e310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Teddy Ruxspin (was Re: Power Cord Source) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:29:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"30Utd.0.K33.88KFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > think they were in the same aisle as the guts from a Teddy Ruxspin. > Needless to say I had to buy one of those! :) Any luck circuit-bending Teddy? I gotta get one! - Larry T From aurisis Tue Jun 6 14:39:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26913 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:39:27 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26909 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:39:27 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21275; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:35:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:35:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002b01bfcfe5$fabcc980$35084cd5@Win98> From: "hefi" To: Subject: boomerang Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:29:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01BFCFF5.FC655620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"g1syE2.0.od3.vAKFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BFCFF5.FC655620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there a multiply function and the possibility of making a few loops = at Boomerang ? 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------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BFCFF5.FC655620-- From aurisis Tue Jun 6 14:45:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26931 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:45:10 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26927 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:45:10 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24341; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:39:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:39:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002c01bfcfe6$0967f9a0$35084cd5@Win98> From: "hefi" To: References: <6b.5284208.266d22bb@aol.com> Subject: Odp: test Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:32:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"S3byF.0._j3.DBKFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 5:35 PM Subject: Re: test > In a message dated 6/5/00 5:53:04 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, > sgoodman@earthlight.net writes: > > << Is there anyone else here? :) >> > > just us chickens! > For example me !!! Hefi From aurisis Tue Jun 6 15:32:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26998 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:32:48 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26994 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:32:47 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10589; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:22:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:22:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003301bfcfe9$288b2340$3e812fd5@telekabel.at> From: "Theresa Curley" To: References: <20000606074640.568.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> Subject: ECHOPLEX list? Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:57:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"Y3AZQ3.0.wI.jfKFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com is this list just about this echoplex toy? From aurisis Tue Jun 6 15:55:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27018 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:55:01 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27014 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:55:01 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12575; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:36:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:36:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Bad-Idea: su; rm -rf / X-Echoplex: Sound on Sound Activated X-Prerequisite-Blasphemy: Invert me under the stars Message-Id: <4.1.20000606131016.016b4ee0@208.129.32.53> X-Sender: reverendrob@208.129.32.53 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 13:10:40 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: ECHOPLEX list? In-Reply-To: <003301bfcfe9$288b2340$3e812fd5@telekabel.at> References: <20000606074640.568.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"bqFmf3.0.xy1.atKFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On or around 08:57 PM 6/6/00 +0200, Theresa Curley said: >is this list just about this echoplex toy? An awful lot of the time, yes, it is, and that's generally IMO unfortunate. 93/156 == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ================================================================= http://www.reverendrob.com : feedback and echo MP3s From aurisis Tue Jun 6 16:19:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27081 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:19:47 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27077 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:19:46 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16196; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:13:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:13:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: ECHOPLEX list? Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:01:07 -0500 Message-ID: <01bfcffa$559401c0$af054f0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"GkX8i.0.Tl3.FdLFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: Theresa Curley To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 2:45 PM Subject: ECHOPLEX list? >is this list just about this echoplex toy? > > > You should have seen this when you subscribed along with other great information: Looper's Delight has an active mailing list where all manner of loop topics are discussed daily. If you find the information on this web site interesting or valuable, you will definitely gain from sharing the wide ranging experiences of the other list members. Many talented and interesting people participate regularly, and we would love to have you join us! Good Luck PedrOOrdeP From aurisis Tue Jun 6 16:22:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27099 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:22:43 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27095 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:22:43 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14471; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:55:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:55:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000f01bfcfef$d8a6b2c0$8d0978d8@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <20000606074640.568.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> <003301bfcfe9$288b2340$3e812fd5@telekabel.at> Subject: Unpaid Testimonial ( was Re: ECHOPLEX list?) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:46:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"QXOmj.0.mF3.ZJLFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Boy, for me it is! Having struggled with the limitations of the Jamman for years, I now have to ration my 'Plex time like it was heroin! Incredibly rewarding! Why bother with any other device for your looping needs? This one does it deluxe, and from what I hear of the next upgrade, will get even better. Like I said a few posts back, this device could crack open the "weird science" wall and make looping part of the popular lexicon (oops--sorry). I can't say this enough--Good job guys!!!!! Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Theresa Curley To: Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 11:57 AM Subject: ECHOPLEX list? > is this list just about this echoplex toy? > > > From aurisis Tue Jun 6 16:42:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27119 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:42:16 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27115 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:42:15 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25674; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:37:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:37:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00d501bfcff6$94a2b9a0$3e310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <20000606074640.568.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> <4.1.20000606131016.016b4ee0@208.129.32.53> Subject: Re: ECHOPLEX list? Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:34:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"Vp5-W1.0.a25.HzLFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > On or around 08:57 PM 6/6/00 +0200, Theresa Curley said: > >is this list just about this echoplex toy? > > An awful lot of the time, yes, it is, and that's generally IMO unfortunate. I agree. LD is turning into an EDP support site. :( - Larry T -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "To understand the evil of Religion and its relationship to Communism - why it requires victums - simply replace the word God with Society. Clearly, Jesus was a Communist." - Holy Roman Communism -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From aurisis Tue Jun 6 16:43:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27135 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:43:29 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27131 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:43:29 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25591; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:37:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:37:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <393D5EB6.4033BA6C@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 13:27:51 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ECHOPLEX list? References: <20000606074640.568.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> <4.1.20000606131016.016b4ee0@208.129.32.53> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zSk3j1.0.kQ4.fvLFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the Reverend Rob wrote: > On or around 08:57 PM 6/6/00 +0200, Theresa Curley said: > >is this list just about this echoplex toy? > > An awful lot of the time, yes, it is, and that's generally IMO unfortunate. > actually, when topics aren't specifically about the edp, we discuss other things, like 1. guitar strings 2. music therapy 3. napster 4. midi sequencers 5. microtonal guitars 6. women w/ velvet gloves & d-beams 7. sampling copyrights 8. open reel looping 9. eno 10. fripp 11. torn 12. frisell 13. hugh le caine 14. playground samples (voices of children) 15. current listening 16. current reading 17. performance experiences (lotsa ambient over coffee) 18. found sounds (recording techniques) 19. mixers 20. boomerangs 21. jam men 22. software looping 23. filters 24. etc. this is just a random sample of emails from the last two years that i happen to have held on to...didn't even look through the ARCHIVE, which is a good place to start for anyone interested in this loopy world. http://www.annihilist.com/cgi-bin/wilma/LDarchive welcome to the list. lance g. From aurisis Tue Jun 6 17:00:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27156 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:00:22 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27152 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:00:22 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07345; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:57:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:57:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Kim Flint To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: ECHOPLEX list? Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 13:46:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"KGa7c1.0.5v7.3DMFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > On or around 08:57 PM 6/6/00 +0200, Theresa Curley said: > > >is this list just about this echoplex toy? > > > > An awful lot of the time, yes, it is, and that's generally IMO > unfortunate. > > I agree. LD is turning into an EDP support site. :( > > - Larry T so quit whining about it and bring up some other topics! The echoplex topic has waxed and waned many times over the last 3.5 years on this list, as have other topics. There is nothing new about that, it just reflects what trends happen to be going on that week. A lot of people bought echoplexes in the last month, so they want to talk about it. 6 months ago this seemed like a Line6 DL-4 support site. Another time it was boomerangs, another it was acid, or headrushes, or jammans, or digitech delays, or whatever was popular at the moment. Not to mention a gazillion non-gear topics. Check the archives and see for yourself. It changes all the time, if you want to discuss something else, go right ahead! kim From aurisis Tue Jun 6 17:26:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27178 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:26:05 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27174 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:26:04 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20639; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:23:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:23:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130558@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: new topic . . . uh no, so cal gig plugs! Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:11:46 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: <"ygVhC2.0.4i3.obMFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com shameless gig plugs (another thing not having to do with the edp!) Friday, June 9, 8 PM, $6 Art City II 31 Peking Street Ventura, California Steuart Liebig: Contrabassguitars, loopage (on occasion) Vinny Golia: Saxophones Billy Mintz: Drumset For Directions: http://www.mapblast.com/ ************************* liebig/golia/mintz also at Spruce Street Forum Saturday, June 10, 8 PM, $15, $10 (students) 301 Spruce Street San Diego, CA 92103 619.295.0301 Joseph Woodward, music critic of the LA Times says "Between liebig's full palette of single lines, rumbling intervals and manually achieved sonic effects, Golia's powerhouse sound and Mintz' minimalist pulses, the spacious but intense music asserts its own kind of dark, muted charm. It's related to jazz, but heads off in a direction not easily put into words or categories." July 1998 http://sprucestreetforum.com/ From aurisis Tue Jun 6 17:35:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27196 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:35:01 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27192 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:35:01 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26089; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:31:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:31:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <393D6CC5.53A4FE40@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 14:27:36 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ECHOPLEX list? References: <20000606074640.568.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> <4.1.20000606131016.016b4ee0@208.129.32.53> <00d501bfcff6$94a2b9a0$3e310140@concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8NXAK.0.lS5.nnMFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Larry Tremblay wrote: > > On or around 08:57 PM 6/6/00 +0200, Theresa Curley said: > > >is this list just about this echoplex toy? > > > > An awful lot of the time, yes, it is, and that's generally IMO > unfortunate. > > I agree. LD is turning into an EDP support site. :( > larry, friendly challenge: -) why don't you and others with a similar complaint start some interesting alternative threads rather than complain when all there is to talk about is the vagarities of the edp undo function? i use an edp, but (almost) never talk about it on the list. i'm much more interested in "other" topics besides the hardware i happen to loop with. this doesn't mean that there isn't reason for folks to discuss said hardware. i sympathize with those of us who don't use the same tools having to sift through lots that doesn't apply to their situation, but as a high school teacher once told me, "only boring people get bored." lance g. From aurisis Tue Jun 6 17:51:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27234 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:51:49 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27230 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:51:49 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05640; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:48:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:48:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000606212930.10952.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:29:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: EDP upgrade -? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"pbL-s3.0.r06.yqMFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have noticed Kim&Co. mention some of the features of a pending EDP upgrade. I took special notice of a midi clock re-sync feature. - Is there an estimated release date for the upgrade? - Is there list of features / enhancements / bug fixes available somewhere so that we can start properly lusting after it? - What will be the $$ for the upgrade? thanks stephen --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > and from what I hear of the next > upgrade, will get even > better. ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From aurisis Tue Jun 6 17:54:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27250 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:54:35 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27246 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:54:35 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08028; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:52:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:52:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <22.6c357bb.266ecaf7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:45:27 EDT Subject: Re: boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Resent-Message-ID: <"bMwHY2.0.U01.X4NFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hefi, Check it out, the Boomerang is pretty much a single loop with infinite overdubs with a maximum length of 2 minutes at 16-bit and 4 minutes at 8 bit. I think that they're going for about $425.00, though I've run into a few that were at the same price that I paid for mine which was $375.00 new. Need to find the updated BIOS and I'll be a bit happier. Tap on, loop extended, and gliss out, LeeohkinoWired From aurisis Tue Jun 6 18:58:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27282 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 18:58:32 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27278 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 18:58:32 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24921; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 18:56:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 18:56:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <393D7C1A.3C40FFB8@dmans.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 17:32:58 -0500 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: boomerang References: <002b01bfcfe5$fabcc980$35084cd5@Win98> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C18682D7C1932E77F3BE168A" Resent-Message-ID: <"h9Gzt1.0.zM1.okNFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------C18682D7C1932E77F3BE168A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, The Rang has no multiply function and the original software had only one loop. The soon to be released V2.0 software/hardware upgrade will have 2 independent loops. The full retail price is $599, but stores sell them for $409-$499. hefi wrote: > Is there a multiply function and the possibility of making a few loops > at Boomerang ?What is the actual price of Boomerang ? -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." --------------C18682D7C1932E77F3BE168A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
    The Rang has no multiply function and the original software had only one loop. The soon to be released V2.0 software/hardware upgrade will have 2 independent loops. The full retail price is $599, but stores sell them for $409-$499.

hefi wrote:

Is there a multiply function and the possibility of making a few loops at Boomerang ?What is the actual price of Boomerang ?
--
Mike Nelson

Boomerang Musical Products       800-530-4699
PO Box 541595                    214-340-6913, Outside USA
Dallas, TX  75354-1595           214-343-1038, Fax

http://www.boomerangmusic.com    mnelson@dmans.com

"Some products make you sound better;
 the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better."
  --------------C18682D7C1932E77F3BE168A-- From aurisis Tue Jun 6 19:16:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27304 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:16:24 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27300 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:16:24 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28923; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:13:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:13:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <393D7EEB.3811512D@dmans.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 17:44:59 -0500 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: boomerang References: <22.6c357bb.266ecaf7@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------96D2C2276E49D5BF933E87CF" Resent-Message-ID: <"YDvd7.0.co3.-vNFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------96D2C2276E49D5BF933E87CF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a slight correction. In the Boomerang Phrase Sampler, all samples are 16 bits. The difference in the normal and half speed modes is the sample rate: 16KHz versus 8KHz. Phaedebk@aol.com wrote: > Hefi, > > Check it out, the Boomerang is pretty much a single loop with infinite > overdubs with a maximum length of 2 minutes at 16-bit and 4 minutes at 8 bit. > I think that they're going for about $425.00, though I've run into a few > that were at the same price that I paid for mine which was $375.00 new. > > Need to find the updated BIOS and I'll be a bit happier. > > Tap on, loop extended, and gliss out, > > LeeohkinoWired > > > -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." --------------96D2C2276E49D5BF933E87CF Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      Just a slight correction. In the Boomerang Phrase Sampler, all samples are 16 bits. The difference in the normal and half speed modes is the sample rate: 16KHz versus 8KHz.

Phaedebk@aol.com wrote:

Hefi,

    Check it out, the Boomerang is pretty much a single loop with infinite
overdubs with a maximum length of 2 minutes at 16-bit and 4 minutes at 8 bit.
 I think that they're going for about $425.00, though I've run into a few
that were at the same price that I paid for mine which was $375.00 new.

    Need to find the updated BIOS and I'll be a bit happier.

    Tap on, loop extended, and gliss out,

        LeeohkinoWired
 
 
 

--
Mike Nelson

Boomerang Musical Products       800-530-4699
PO Box 541595                    214-340-6913, Outside USA
Dallas, TX  75354-1595           214-343-1038, Fax

http://www.boomerangmusic.com    mnelson@dmans.com

"Some products make you sound better;
 the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better."
  --------------96D2C2276E49D5BF933E87CF-- From aurisis Tue Jun 6 19:45:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27326 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:45:21 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27322 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:45:20 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19996; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:42:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:42:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:29:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: Happy the Man/Dark Aether Project in Falls Church VA Thursday Resent-Message-ID: <"5dKRS3.0.8u.4WOFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Sirs, I have paid to see DAP in the past, but since you have kidnapped my guitarist Steevie G. I now refuse to pay for any and all of your gigs, cd's tee shirts, and sex. Put me on your geest list for Thursday, ahem, you better add my wife too. Patrick From aurisis Tue Jun 6 21:02:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27411 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:02:06 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27407 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:02:06 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05445; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:00:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:00:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000607005518.28295.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:55:18 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: gig alert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To: lwright@scholastic.com, "Anthony , ? ? ? , Lee ? , a a , chris becker , michael bober , Nick Boeglin , Kamal Bo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"Q83Kn3.0.GH.1sPFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Come catch PERMAGRIN in a rare summer live show!!!!!! El Matador 10:30-till New Orleans __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From aurisis Tue Jun 6 23:00:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27501 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:00:46 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27497 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:00:46 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12015; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 22:47:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 22:47:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000607024046.43552.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.74] From: "Greg" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Suggested 'net radio stations Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:40:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"x3kxg2.0.562.KPRFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Can anyone suggest any net-based streaming radio stations that might play loop-related and/or ambient music? I already listen pretty faithfully to echoes (www.echoes.org -- broadcast on musicsojourn) while I'm at work. Have found some nice bits here and there and would like to find other similar stations. thanks, Greg obligatory EDP mention: From aurisis Tue Jun 6 23:08:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27519 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:08:17 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27515 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:08:17 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26037; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:06:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:06:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <393DB9AA.55DC@one.net> From: geoffrey f hoebbel Reply-To: geoffh@one.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Line 6 looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:01:49 -0400 Resent-Message-ID: <"5vV1j1.0.td5.qiRFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi fellow loopers, I am new to the list. I have recently purchased one of the Line6 delay/looping pedals with the expression foot pedal. I just wondered what the list thought of the pedal. Any tips/tricks/problems, etc.? I checked the archives without finding a single posting on this. Peace, Geoff From aurisis Tue Jun 6 23:54:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27545 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:54:08 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27541 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:54:08 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20731; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:48:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:48:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <48.668cc82.266f1a76@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:24:38 EDT Subject: Re: Suggested 'net radio stations To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"XFSXL1.0._j2.b2SFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com greg..........you might try this...........http://www.wfmu.org/ssaudionet.shtml.......... michael From aurisis Wed Jun 7 00:50:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27576 for looparc@annihilist.com; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:50:19 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA27572 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:50:15 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27615; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:48:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:48:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000607044441.10785.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Suggested 'net radio stations Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 21:44:40 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"KQe4z3.0.0L6.RDTFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I'd suggest mp3.com. Not because they're big on the internet, but because there I've found tons and tons of user-created mp3 stations. Most of them feature independent, unsigned musicians that are doing some interesting stuff. Someone here mentioned that they were making a "Loopers Delight" station there, featuring LD musicians that are on mp3.com. Anyway, you can listen to a station by genre, or select an artist you find interesting and listen to stations that feature him or her. Another thing you could do is go to a search engine like Altavista, and to an advanced search with the word "streaming" and a phrase like "looping musicians", both with plus signs like this: +"looping musicians" +streaming Hope this helps. Matt Davignon >From: "Greg" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: "Loopers Delight" >Subject: Suggested 'net radio stations >Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:40:31 -0700 > >Can anyone suggest any net-based streaming radio stations that might play >loop-related and/or ambient music? I already listen pretty faithfully to >echoes (www.echoes.org -- broadcast on musicsojourn) while I'm at work. >Have found some nice bits here and there and would like to find other >similar stations. > >thanks, >Greg > >obligatory EDP mention: > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From aurisis Wed Jun 7 00:55:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27592 for looparc@annihilist.com; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:55:10 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA27588 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:55:10 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30349; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:53:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:53:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000606215845.0141ea70@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 21:58:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Subject: Re: Suggested 'net radio stations In-Reply-To: <20000607024046.43552.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"hSv4O3.0.Vy6.dHTFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://www.live365.com search on any style - it has some decent dark/ambient stations listed At 07:40 PM 6/6/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Can anyone suggest any net-based streaming radio stations that might play >loop-related and/or ambient music? I already listen pretty faithfully to >echoes (www.echoes.org -- broadcast on musicsojourn) while I'm at work. >Have found some nice bits here and there and would like to find other >similar stations. > From aurisis Wed Jun 7 01:10:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27615 for looparc@annihilist.com; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:10:36 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA27611 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:10:36 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05436; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:08:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:08:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000607050207.75690.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.74] From: "Greg" To: , References: <393DB9AA.55DC@one.net> Subject: Re: Line 6 looper Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 22:01:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"uVgTN3.0.Ph.pTTFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I just wondered > what the list thought of the pedal. Any tips/tricks/problems, etc.? I > checked the archives without finding a single posting on this. There's actually quite a good deal written about in the archives and on the web-site. I'm guessing you used the archive search function -- which doesn't work currently. :^( I've got one and think it's just a grand little device. Very simple, robust, and decent quality given the cost. Check out: http://annihilist.com/loop/tools/tools.html From aurisis Wed Jun 7 01:22:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27633 for looparc@annihilist.com; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:22:16 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA27629 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:22:16 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11034; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:20:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:20:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <2b.6a9f639.266f345e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:15:10 EDT Subject: Re: boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Resent-Message-ID: <"hw1tq2.0.u12.4gTFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Whoops, Sorry about that, thanks for the correction Mike! Any idea of when the new BIOS chip is to be ready/shipped? Thanks again, LeeohkinoWired. From aurisis Wed Jun 7 04:34:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27854 for looparc@annihilist.com; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 04:34:57 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA27850 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 04:34:56 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26667; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 04:33:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 04:33:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAqF1jh+XvihwbOv9GSo0tqO3BfPwCFQCHvnHXd/jWN+3gyNbIdZcWC2Nhzw== From: DanKoontz@webtv.net (Dan Koontz) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:26:51 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: David Keane Message-ID: <28340-393E074B-58@storefull-246.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"XEAFg3.0.DZ5.HTWFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone out there own a copy of David Keane's book "Tape Music Composition" they'd be willing to sell? I've checked all the "rare & hard to find" stores, and libraries, but no luck! Larry- I loved the quote on Jesus! From aurisis Wed Jun 7 07:42:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27943 for looparc@annihilist.com; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 07:42:31 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA27939 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 07:42:30 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13951; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 07:41:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 07:41:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000607112014.11153.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 04:20:14 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: gig alert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!2 To: lwright@scholastic.com, "Anthony , ? ? ? , Lee ? , a a , chris becker , michael bober , Nick Boeglin , Kamal Bo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"8UQXV.0.l-1.s_YFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The PERMAGRIN gig at EL MATADOR is Thursday, June 8 10:30 El Matador New Orleans __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From aurisis Wed Jun 7 10:50:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28161 for looparc@annihilist.com; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:50:56 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28157 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:50:55 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32578; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:48:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:48:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: panix6.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:41:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: gig alert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!2 In-Reply-To: <20000607112014.11153.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"IRzoS1.0.FX6.0zbFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com loopoirs! don't get me wrong - i love a gig alert, maybe even more than you do - but as has been discussed, let's all please include the pertinant city/region/hemisphere info in the subject line of those announcements. a:c From aurisis Wed Jun 7 11:35:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28196 for looparc@annihilist.com; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:35:07 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28192 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:34:58 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32379; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:32:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:32:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005e01bfd092$ba4a5720$2d310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <28340-393E074B-58@storefull-246.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: David Keane Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:11:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"DOBOm1.0.ML3.BLcFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Dan, After about 6 months of searching I found a copy of Keane's book. It's fantastic! Very difficult to find. I eventually found it at a rare book seller on the Web through Book Finder www.bookfinder.com I would never sell it. "From my cold dead fingers..." ;) It's full of excellent illustrations, ideas, compositional strategies, etc. Most of all - No mention of MIDI, Digital bullshit, wanking off philosophically about which instruments to use - the Tape Machine *is* the instrument. Also, tips on how to build looping attachments, setting up a minimal loop studio, and tape splicing techniques. I wish the publisher would release a reprint. It really is a classic of looping. Alas... Good luck searching. My copy came from a Beverly Hills bookseller. - Larry T > Does anyone out there own a copy of David Keane's book "Tape Music > Composition" they'd be willing to sell? I've checked all the "rare & > hard to find" stores, and libraries, but no luck! > > Larry- I loved the quote on Jesus! > From aurisis Wed Jun 7 12:42:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28247 for looparc@annihilist.com; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:42:49 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28243 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:42:49 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08752; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:38:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:38:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jprice01@aol.com Message-ID: <9.668f46e.266fcf92@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:17:22 EDT Subject: GIG ALERT: AKASH IN PHILA. 06.09.00 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Resent-Message-ID: <"UzjNS3.0.bS.-MdFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com GIG ALERT: FOR THOSE WHO LIKE TO WATCH... COME SEE AKASH @ BUTTER IN OLD CITY, PHILA. THIS FRIDAY, JUNE 9th @ 9pm-11pm ! AKASH WILL BE PLAYING PSYDDE DELICIOUS' INFAMOUS "DELICIOUS FOLLIES PARTY". THIS IS AN EYE & EAR CANDY SHOWCASE OF FETISH FASHIONS AND EROTIC CABARET PERFORMANCES WITH MODELS, DOMINATRIXES, DANCERS & MUSICIANS. THERE ARE NO DJ's, JUST AKASH IN SMALLER AND LARGER KINKY INCARNATIONS THRUOUT THE EVENING. OUR AKASHIC AGENDA ON FRIDAY : LOSS OF INNOCENCE & TRANSFORMATION INTO SLUTTY CACOPHONY LEADING TO A NO "HOLES" BARRED CAPMPAIGN FOR AMERICA'S HIGHEST OFFICE. ( Just think Mary Tyler Moore being introduced to a world of sexual debauchery and liking it an awful lot.. ) See The AKASH Performance featuring as always LORALAI and sign up for "The Freak Party Platform". SEND LORALI FANMAIL - MORE PICS OF LORALAI ARE ON THEIR WAY ! CK OUT & BOOKMARK THE AKASH HOMEPAGE FOR UPDATED DETAILS & COOL PHILLY-AREA LINKS, AKASH SOUNDS, BAND BIO'S & PICS http://hometown.aol.com/akashmusic/myhomepage/personal.html ALSO, ANYONE FROM LOOPERS DELIGHT WHO SHOWS UP & MENTIONS THEY ARE FELLOW LIST MEMBERS, WILL GET A FREE COPY OF THE AKASH EP - "BODY ART - FWD MARCH TO STARLUST MOISTENED" We promise to have lots of "knotty lil' loops" droning throughout the entire event. Warm Regards, JP/AKASH "Remember to Kill your expectations" From aurisis Wed Jun 7 14:49:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28293 for looparc@annihilist.com; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:49:34 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28289 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:49:34 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11813; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:37:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:37:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <393E91BD.A617014@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 11:17:35 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: David Keane References: <28340-393E074B-58@storefull-246.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <005e01bfd092$ba4a5720$2d310140@concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"S_1Iu3.0.rV2.i5fFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Larry Tremblay wrote: > Hey Dan, > > After about 6 months of searching I found a copy of Keane's book. > It's fantastic! Very difficult to find. I eventually found it at > a rare book seller on the Web through Book Finder www.bookfinder.com > > I would never sell it. "From my cold dead fingers..." ;) > larry: this looks like a must read for me as well. thanks for posting this. lance g. From aurisis Wed Jun 7 14:57:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28311 for looparc@annihilist.com; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:57:57 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28307 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:57:57 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15426; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:45:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:45:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <393F0CE0.201B25B5@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 20:02:56 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: GIG ALERT: AKASH IN PHILA. 06.09.00 References: <9.668f46e.266fcf92@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yb8V91.0.OY2.h6fFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com WOW OUAOU JAMES looping can be different than some new age guy Ebowing a Klein with elixir strings thru 2 vintage EDP's barefoot the looper crowd wants some sexy rewiew (I mean the older looper crowd) (me?) I wont be there ! Ahh Claude Go there and _read_ _all_ the bio's http://hometown.aol.com/akashmusic/myhomepage/personal.html Jprice01@aol.com wrote: snup > AKASH WILL BE PLAYING PSYDDE DELICIOUS' INFAMOUS "DELICIOUS FOLLIES PARTY". THIS IS AN EYE & EAR CANDY SHOWCASE OF FETISH FASHIONS AND EROTIC CABARET PERFORMANCES WITH MODELS, DOMINATRIXES, DANCERS & MUSICIANS. THERE ARE NO DJ's, JUST AKASH IN SMALLER AND LARGER KINKY INCARNATIONS THRUOUT THE EVENING. > > OUR AKASHIC AGENDA ON FRIDAY : LOSS OF INNOCENCE & TRANSFORMATION INTO SLUTTY CACOPHONY LEADING TO A NO "HOLES" BARRED CAPMPAIGN FOR AMERICA'S HIGHEST OFFICE. > ( Just think Mary Tyler Moore being introduced to a world of sexual debauchery and liking it an awful lot.. ) snup > ALSO, ANYONE FROM LOOPERS DELIGHT WHO SHOWS UP & MENTIONS THEY ARE FELLOW LIST MEMBERS, WILL GET A FREE COPY OF THE AKASH EP - "BODY ART - FWD MARCH TO STARLUST MOISTENED" From aurisis Wed Jun 7 17:30:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28438 for looparc@annihilist.com; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:30:48 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28434 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:30:43 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26411; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:27:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:27:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <393DB9AA.55DC@one.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:02:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: Line 6 looper Resent-Message-ID: <"D6_Ur2.0.dQ2.HShFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I would agree that the Line6 unit is a great unit, and very robust for the price. If i had to grab my gear and run, without much time to plan the rig setup or anything, i would definitely grab the DL4 before almost any of my effects. It's very nice... My only complaint has been an ongoing one. The expression pedal implementation is IMO pretty hokey and not well thought out for live use. There are many permutations of this complaint, but my biggest (and as of yet unresolved) problem is that if you use the tap tempo while the expression pedal is plugged in, it accepts the new tempo as a setting for wherever the expression pedal is at the time. So, when you move the pedal, there are different time signatures between the two extremes of the pedal. I think this is awful. I did go to the last LA Line6 Users Group meeting, and tried to work out this problem with George Van Wagner of Line6. George has previously told me he had a 'trick' for this problem, using an a/b switch between the DL4 and the exp. pedal. He told me he would bring his setup to the meeting and we would go over it. George forgot to bring his stuff, but i brought mine, and the problem still exists. His explanation was that he had an 'old' a/b box, and possibly that's why his scenario worked and mine didn't (does this make any sense?). When he couldn't get my setup to work, he suggested that we could trade a/b boxes, since his needs didn't warrant the use of this 'trick'. A generous offer to a certain extent, but limited in its scope. What if someone else wanted to use this trick, and didn't have access to a very old a/b box? This isn't to slag George...he has his hands full holding the reigns on the wacky folks on the Line6 Website and he was helpful (and i got a Line6 Tshirt for my troubles, too). However, i would say that the expression pedal implementation seems to be a VERY low priority as compared to rolling out new products like the POD Pro and the Bass POD, as well as revamping their website and FAQ database. So, i am left using my expression pedal to control the Mix on the DL4 only, and if i kneel down to do any knob twiddling while playing live, i know i have just cut myself off from using the expression pedal again until i reset the preset. Yuck. but hey, the DL4 will walk circles around other stuff for the price...There have been suggestions on the L6 site for them to come up with a DL4 Pro, making it a rackmount with footpedal and encroaching on Gibson's EDP territory. Given how 'hot' Line6 is right now, and Gibson's reputation, maybe this ain't such a bad idea... >Hi fellow loopers, >I am new to the list. I have recently purchased one of the Line6 >delay/looping pedals with the expression foot pedal. I just wondered >what the list thought of the pedal. Any tips/tricks/problems, etc.? I >checked the archives without finding a single posting on this. >Peace, >Geoff From aurisis Wed Jun 7 18:10:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28465 for looparc@annihilist.com; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:10:25 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28461 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:10:25 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24583; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:08:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:08:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:58:23 EDT Subject: Re: David Keane To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: <"iniz71.0.rX4.nMiFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have got to find this. Any help that could be posted here would be appreciated. From aurisis Wed Jun 7 21:24:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28632 for looparc@annihilist.com; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:24:04 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28628 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:24:04 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12014; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:22:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:22:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000607210336.007b9bf0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 21:03:36 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: carrionsound Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"AuB433.0.Ee6.90lFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This was sent to me. I liked it. I think many of you'll like it too... Takes forever to load though. Tim From aurisis Wed Jun 7 23:46:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28748 for looparc@annihilist.com; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:46:35 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28744 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:46:35 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15756; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:44:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:44:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000608033459.1009.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:34:59 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: Re: GIG ALERT: AKASH IN PHILA. 06.09.00 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"v3QjD.0.dG2.jHnFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com how about some more pics of Lauralai!!!!!!!! --- Jprice01@aol.com wrote: > GIG ALERT: FOR THOSE WHO LIKE TO WATCH... > > COME SEE AKASH @ BUTTER IN OLD CITY, PHILA. > THIS FRIDAY, JUNE 9th @ 9pm-11pm ! > > AKASH WILL BE PLAYING PSYDDE DELICIOUS' INFAMOUS > "DELICIOUS FOLLIES PARTY". THIS IS AN EYE & EAR > CANDY SHOWCASE OF FETISH FASHIONS AND EROTIC CABARET > PERFORMANCES WITH MODELS, DOMINATRIXES, DANCERS & > MUSICIANS. THERE ARE NO DJ's, JUST AKASH IN SMALLER > AND LARGER KINKY INCARNATIONS THRUOUT THE EVENING. > > OUR AKASHIC AGENDA ON FRIDAY : LOSS OF INNOCENCE & > TRANSFORMATION INTO SLUTTY CACOPHONY LEADING TO A NO > "HOLES" BARRED CAPMPAIGN FOR AMERICA'S HIGHEST > OFFICE. > ( Just think Mary Tyler Moore being introduced to a > world of sexual debauchery and liking it an awful > lot.. ) > See The AKASH Performance featuring as always > LORALAI and sign up for "The Freak Party Platform". > SEND LORALI FANMAIL - MORE PICS OF LORALAI ARE ON > THEIR WAY ! > > CK OUT & BOOKMARK THE AKASH HOMEPAGE FOR UPDATED > DETAILS & COOL PHILLY-AREA LINKS, AKASH SOUNDS, BAND > BIO'S & PICS > > http://hometown.aol.com/akashmusic/myhomepage/personal.html > > ALSO, ANYONE FROM LOOPERS DELIGHT WHO SHOWS UP & > MENTIONS THEY ARE FELLOW LIST MEMBERS, WILL GET A > FREE COPY OF THE AKASH EP - "BODY ART - FWD MARCH TO > STARLUST MOISTENED" > > We promise to have lots of "knotty lil' loops" > droning throughout the entire event. > > Warm Regards, > JP/AKASH > "Remember to Kill your expectations" > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From aurisis Thu Jun 8 00:06:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28775 for looparc@annihilist.com; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:06:35 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28771 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:06:35 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24700; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:04:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:04:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.6dd413b.26707117@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:46:31 EDT Subject: carrionsound To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"vIvWg2.0.rV4.-SnFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com see what kind of worthwhile things you can do when your not reading LD e-mails all day............:)............thanks tim..............michael From aurisis Thu Jun 8 00:36:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28803 for looparc@annihilist.com; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:36:00 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28799 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:36:00 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15981; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:34:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:34:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Laurie Hatch" To: Subject: EDP LED switcheroo Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:21:34 -0700 Message-ID: <006001bfd101$07f914c0$caeeb5cf@lloopoo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"BHCzV2.0.CQ2.Z2oFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com EDP gurus, I've got a tech question: During a performance last weekend, a malfunction caused my Overdub LED to light green when Overdub was engaged, red when it was not -- just reversed from what they normally are. You can imagine the confusion and bizarro loops that did (and did not :) evolve before my trusty sound guy (and EDP user) Gary Hull and I figured it out. Pretty trippy. Gary deduced that it was an eprom software glitch, and suggested a hard reset which indeed restored normal function. Yeahhhhh...sigh of relief. The question remains: are there identifiable factors that might have caused it?? The only potential variable I've noticed is that the EDP seems to be running fairly hot. (As in, too hot to touch back on the heat sink area.) Everything looks fine under the hood, however -- no toastage, solder joints look solid, etc. I bought it in Sept. '97, so it does have the clipped pin 5 on IC U12. However, as mentioned, it has a heat sink and voltage regulators rather than the switching power module on later models. Given the subjective nature of assessing temperature, does this sound normal for this particular model? Now I'll always wonder, is green REALLY green? Is red REALLY red? And what IS the nature of the Universe? That's some heavy-duty stuff to be pondering when merely hitting the Overdub button... :) All that being said, this box is totally outrageous. Big-time, ongoing thanks for all the thrills, Matthias and Kim! Laurie From aurisis Thu Jun 8 00:36:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28819 for looparc@annihilist.com; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:36:09 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28815 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:36:09 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16000; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:34:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:34:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01d201bfd102$6c5fa310$2d310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <20000608033459.1009.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: GIG ALERT: AKASH IN PHILA. 06.09.00 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:31:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"FXyFB3.0.QT2.j2oFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > how about some more pics of Lauralai!!!!!!!! I'll second that! Nice bod. :) > --- Jprice01@aol.com wrote: > > GIG ALERT: FOR THOSE WHO LIKE TO WATCH... > > > > COME SEE AKASH @ BUTTER IN OLD CITY, PHILA. > > THIS FRIDAY, JUNE 9th @ 9pm-11pm ! > > > > AKASH WILL BE PLAYING PSYDDE DELICIOUS' INFAMOUS > > "DELICIOUS FOLLIES PARTY". THIS IS AN EYE & EAR > > CANDY SHOWCASE OF FETISH FASHIONS AND EROTIC CABARET > > PERFORMANCES WITH MODELS, DOMINATRIXES, DANCERS & > > MUSICIANS. THERE ARE NO DJ's, JUST AKASH IN SMALLER > > AND LARGER KINKY INCARNATIONS THRUOUT THE EVENING. > > > > OUR AKASHIC AGENDA ON FRIDAY : LOSS OF INNOCENCE & > > TRANSFORMATION INTO SLUTTY CACOPHONY LEADING TO A NO > > "HOLES" BARRED CAPMPAIGN FOR AMERICA'S HIGHEST > > OFFICE. > > ( Just think Mary Tyler Moore being introduced to a > > world of sexual debauchery and liking it an awful > > lot.. ) > > See The AKASH Performance featuring as always > > LORALAI and sign up for "The Freak Party Platform". > > SEND LORALI FANMAIL - MORE PICS OF LORALAI ARE ON > > THEIR WAY ! > > > > CK OUT & BOOKMARK THE AKASH HOMEPAGE FOR UPDATED > > DETAILS & COOL PHILLY-AREA LINKS, AKASH SOUNDS, BAND > > BIO'S & PICS > > > > > http://hometown.aol.com/akashmusic/myhomepage/personal.html > > > > ALSO, ANYONE FROM LOOPERS DELIGHT WHO SHOWS UP & > > MENTIONS THEY ARE FELLOW LIST MEMBERS, WILL GET A > > FREE COPY OF THE AKASH EP - "BODY ART - FWD MARCH TO > > STARLUST MOISTENED" > > > > We promise to have lots of "knotty lil' loops" > > droning throughout the entire event. > > > > Warm Regards, > > JP/AKASH > > "Remember to Kill your expectations" > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! > http://photos.yahoo.com > > From aurisis Thu Jun 8 02:28:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28897 for looparc@annihilist.com; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 02:28:38 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28893 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 02:28:38 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24222; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 02:27:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 02:27:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jprice01@aol.com Message-ID: <69.601582c.2670956f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 02:21:35 EDT Subject: Re: GIG ALERT: AKASH IN PHILA. 06.09.00 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: <"ptyT12.0.i55.PkpFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey ! What about wanting pics of that anti - social and aloof geetar player, John Price ? And what about the Loops AKASH can spin ? If you are local to Philly, we hope to see each and every one of you Friday nite. But give the geetar player some attention & dont forget about Ed Wilcox. Ed has some hard swinging double bass drum grooves that are way outside of 4/4 time goin on all the time & that be no joke :) Send e-mail to AKASHMUSIC@AOL.COM and address it to: ATTN LORALAI. She will personally get you on the new pic list and correspond with her new found web admirers as much as it is possible for her to reply. & WOW. It seems there is more interest than what we had orginally calculated in LORALAI. AKASH will have to setup a separate email account & guest book devoted just to LORALAI. But hey, I have some naked pics of me ... somehow I do not think thats what people wanna see. & sometimes me and Ed kinda feel like what Rufus was to Chaka Khan ...LOL. But in all sincerity, we would not trade this gig for anything in the world..this is the most fun any of us have ever had playing music. Regards, JP/AKASH From aurisis Thu Jun 8 02:33:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28916 for looparc@annihilist.com; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 02:33:29 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28912 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 02:33:29 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27952; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 02:31:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 02:31:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 23:15:44 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP LED switcheroo In-reply-to: <006001bfd101$07f914c0$caeeb5cf@lloopoo> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: <"e2gNZ.0.ZY4.PgpFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Laurie- At 9:21 PM -0700 6/7/00, Laurie Hatch wrote: >EDP gurus, I've got a tech question: > >During a performance last weekend, a malfunction caused my Overdub LED to >light green when Overdub was engaged, red when it was not -- just reversed >from what they normally are. You can imagine the confusion and bizarro >loops that did (and did not :) evolve before my trusty sound guy (and EDP >user) Gary Hull and I figured it out. Pretty trippy. > >Gary deduced that it was an eprom software glitch, and suggested a hard >reset which indeed restored normal function. Yeahhhhh...sigh of relief. >The question remains: are there identifiable factors that might have caused >it?? I don't think it's anything dramatic. sounds to me like you accidentally switched the Loop/Delay parameter to "delay". In that mode, the overdub button acts like a hold button on a delay. When it is green, the delay line is open, and audio at the input goes into the delay and gets added to your loop. when you press overdub (or hold now), audio is not input anymore, and the feedback is set to 100%. It would be easy to confuse this with the Overdub function doing a switcheroo if you didn't realize you were in delay mode..... >Now I'll always wonder, is green REALLY green? Is red REALLY red? And what >IS the nature of the Universe? That's some heavy-duty stuff to be pondering >when merely hitting the Overdub button... :) wow, one can only imagine what Undo must be like for you. :-) >All that being said, this box is totally outrageous. Big-time, ongoing >thanks for all the thrills, Matthias and Kim! glad you are enjoying it! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From aurisis Thu Jun 8 03:41:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29004 for looparc@annihilist.com; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 03:41:11 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA29000 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 03:41:10 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18225; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 03:39:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 03:39:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002901bfd1aa$6c764900$ea8909d2@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron" To: Subject: EDP Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:33:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01BFD16F.B528FAC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"s4ul-3.0.Ub2.dkqFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BFD16F.B528FAC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Over the past year, i've read so much compicated stuff regarding the EDP. I've made a decision never to buy 1. They obviously have some advantages. But all this sounds like a hassle. If the new Boomarang's gonna have 2 loops, I'll be interested in that. =20 I'm starting a non EDP loopers site. he he he I'm expecting some entertaining comments.he he Fire away guys and gals. he he he. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BFD16F.B528FAC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Over the past year, i've read so = much=20 compicated
   stuff regarding the EDP. I've made a decision
   never to buy 1. They obviously have some
   advantages. But all this sounds like a hassle.
   If the new Boomarang's gonna have 2 loops,
   I'll be interested in that. 
   I'm starting a non EDP loopers site. he he he
   I'm expecting some entertaining comments.he he
   Fire away guys and gals. he he he.
------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BFD16F.B528FAC0-- From aurisis Thu Jun 8 05:47:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA29290 for looparc@annihilist.com; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 05:47:41 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA29286 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 05:47:41 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12678; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 05:45:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 05:45:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002101bfd129$17324ce0$1d9cb8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: "Loopers delight" Subject: Hardisc recording Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:06:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <"QWvQR3.0.Sq1.ncsFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello outhere, I am getting into hardisc recording and trying to gather some information before i buy.I only have my PC so i need to buy all the components,sound card,software, etc. I was recomended the Guillemot Maxi Studio Isis versus the Cubase or Logic audio. has anybody experience or compared these?Therer is also the pro tools home recording studio.What i am looking for is a good professional program with sequencer and sampling capabilities and easy to work with! As far as sound cards what is my best option? There´s the Montego,turtle beach,etc. I apreciate your comments! thanks L.A. From aurisis Thu Jun 8 10:07:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29571 for looparc@annihilist.com; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:07:50 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29567 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:07:49 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32322; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:05:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:05:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Laurie Hatch" To: Subject: Re: EDP LED switcheroo Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 05:09:00 -0700 Message-ID: <006701bfd142$54c1d8a0$caeeb5cf@lloopoo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"tTsy23.0.-56.TvuFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@annihilist.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 11:16 PM > I don't think it's anything dramatic. sounds to me like you accidentally > switched the Loop/Delay parameter to "delay". In that mode, the overdub > button acts like a hold button on a delay. When it is green, the > delay line > is open, and audio at the input goes into the delay and gets added to your > loop. when you press overdub (or hold now), audio is not input > anymore, and > the feedback is set to 100%. It would be easy to confuse this with the > Overdub function doing a switcheroo if you didn't realize you > were in delay > mode..... Well, that's cool! ...and obviously a parameter I hadn't yet messed with, at least intentionally, that is. Should come easy now that I'm clearly an expert at it, in spite of myself! :) Software glitch is in my head, as usual, sigh. Too bad I can't do a hard reset on the brain cells... But this does bring up another topic. In my feeble defense, under the circumstances it would have been relatively easy to get myself into an unwanted mode and be unaware of it. I was set up in bright sunlight, and although the rack was covered with a space blanket to minimize solar soak, the LCD panel was virtually unreadable due to high ambient light level. So if I accidentally hit the wrong button on the fly I could have easily missed the LCD announcement of having screwed up. Anyway, I thought I'd try to design a photon-absorbent hood for the whole rack so LCD's on all units would be at least somewhat discernable in bright light. Has anyone else worked on this problem? I did talk with one of the guests who is knowledgeable about various optical filters, but he wasn't aware of one that would really be effective in that particular situation. > >Now I'll always wonder, is green REALLY green? Is red REALLY > red? And what > >IS the nature of the Universe? That's some heavy-duty stuff to > be pondering > >when merely hitting the Overdub button... :) > > wow, one can only imagine what Undo must be like for you. :-) My sweetie Rem just howled when he read that. Should I take it personally? :) IMHO, Undo is sublime, going Backwards in Time... So Kim, any thoughts about if the unit's operating temperature is in normal range, independent of the button-press pilot error? Thanks very much for the tutorial. Most informative as usual, laurie From aurisis Thu Jun 8 11:13:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29617 for looparc@annihilist.com; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:13:49 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29613 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:13:48 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04629; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:11:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:11:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:34:04 EDT Subject: No Cal gig To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: <"oGw4M2.0.Cc2.x3wFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey everyone. all you left coasters, I'll be looping, noise-wagolling and in general funking it up with the TomTom Club when we appear at the High Sierra World Music Festival in Marysville, Ca our set is on the 16th, but it's a 3 day festival. We will also be playing a show (for you New Yorkers...) at the Bowery Ballroom in NYC on the 29th June. tickets still available all the best, Robby Aceto From aurisis Thu Jun 8 11:26:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29637 for looparc@annihilist.com; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:26:51 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29633 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:26:47 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13799; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:23:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:23:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <049201bfd157$7eddac80$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: EDP LED switcheroo Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:40:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"qdPg5.0.gQ6.K1xFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > ... In my feeble defense, under the >circumstances it would have been relatively easy to get myself into an >unwanted mode and be unaware of it. I was set up in bright sunlight, and >although the rack was covered with a space blanket to minimize solar soak, >the LCD panel was virtually unreadable due to high ambient light level. ... I can relate to that! I have similar tales of woe. First time I looped w/ EDP outside, I couldn't tell what mode I was in! (Am I recording?? Maybe I'm overdubbing??? And where is the loop start-point??) It never occurred to me that I might not be able to read the display. Too much midnight looping, I suppose. I'd set-up things differently today... I had a similar experience with the LOOP vs. DELAY mode. Seemed like my EDP had become possessed! Whatever I told it to do, it did something different! Now, when loops work strangely, it's the first thing I check. This is not a complaint regarding the EDP, just a learning curve thang... Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From aurisis Thu Jun 8 13:38:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29721 for looparc@annihilist.com; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:38:02 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29717 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:38:02 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28373; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:35:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:35:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006701bfd169$562faec0$087379a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: Hardisc recording Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:43:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"3ONUK.0.4n.qryFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I like Cubase, but I would like very much to see the Pro Tools you spoke of- they make a great product for professional recording- and I would imagine their home user version would be good as well. As for hardware, I would look into Gadget Labs 424, 496, or 824 cards- I hear they are outstanding and have A+ technical and driver support- www.gadgetlabs.com- Good Luck- Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Luis Angulo To: Loopers delight Date: Thursday, June 08, 2000 3:17 AM Subject: Hardisc recording >Hello outhere, >I am getting into hardisc recording and trying to gather some information >before i buy.I only have my PC so i need to buy all the components,sound >card,software, etc. I was recomended the Guillemot Maxi Studio Isis versus >the Cubase or Logic audio. has anybody experience or compared these?Therer >is also the pro tools home recording studio.What i am looking for is a good >professional program with sequencer and sampling capabilities and easy to >work with! As far as sound cards what is my best option? There´s the >Montego,turtle beach,etc. >I apreciate your comments! >thanks >L.A. > From aurisis Thu Jun 8 13:47:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29743 for looparc@annihilist.com; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:47:11 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29739 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:47:11 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30958; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:41:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:41:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006801bfd169$60670a00$087379a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: EDP Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:44:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01BFD12E.26AAECE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"qDzZf.0.Sy.wsyFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BFD12E.26AAECE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you choose to read a book by it's cover you simply will never know = what you missed. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: cameron To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, June 08, 2000 1:10 AM Subject: EDP =20 =20 Over the past year, i've read so much compicated stuff regarding the EDP. I've made a decision never to buy 1. They obviously have some advantages. But all this sounds like a hassle. If the new Boomarang's gonna have 2 loops, I'll be interested in that. =20 I'm starting a non EDP loopers site. he he he I'm expecting some entertaining comments.he he Fire away guys and gals. he he he. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BFD12E.26AAECE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If you choose to read a book by it's = cover you=20 simply will never know what you missed.
 
Cliff
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T= o:=20 Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com=20 <Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com>
Date:=20 Thursday, June 08, 2000 1:10 AM
Subject:=20 EDP

    Over the past year, i've read = so much=20 compicated
   stuff regarding the EDP. I've made a = decision
   never to buy 1. They obviously have some
   advantages. But all this sounds like a = hassle.
   If the new Boomarang's gonna have 2 loops,
   I'll be interested in that. 
   I'm starting a non EDP loopers site. he he = he
   I'm expecting some entertaining comments.he = he
   Fire away guys and gals. he he=20 he.
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BFD12E.26AAECE0-- From aurisis Thu Jun 8 13:48:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29774 for looparc@annihilist.com; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:48:02 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29770 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:47:47 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02054; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:47:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:47:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F90D98A6@mail.davitt-hanser.com> From: Todd Quincy To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Hard Reset Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:44:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"CG5C_2.0.iv5.cxxFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Loopers, I've returned to the site, this time without my 2 jammen but with an EDP in my rack. (....thankyou, thankyou, thank you...please hold your applause until the entire email has been read) Can someone save me some time and give me the Hard Reset procedure. I'm having trouble finding it in the manual and I'm experiencing parameter fatigue. I need to start over. Thanks tq From aurisis Thu Jun 8 13:50:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29799 for looparc@annihilist.com; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:50:28 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29795 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:50:27 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24582; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:28:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:28:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <393FC3D1.D96EAA5E@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 12:03:29 -0400 From: Mojo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: NYC gig Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------801E3867C05ECD997547C9C8" Resent-Message-ID: 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looparc@annihilist.com; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:30:55 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29848 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:30:55 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27723; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:29:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:29:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <393FE0E4.11354719@best.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 11:07:32 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP References: <002901bfd1aa$6c764900$ea8909d2@mpx.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YiEcH3.0.kl3.95-Fv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, to each there own but it really isn't as complicated as you might think. Sure, the unit is crammed full of options but in reality you only use the few that suit your style of playing. Now that I have it configured to what I want I only push the buttons on the foot controller and don't even think about the other parameters accessible from the front panel. In effect my EDP is set up much like my DL/4 looper. I love the DL/4 (for $200 who couldn't) but having 16 megs of RAM, Feedback control, and Undo in the EDP made it well worth the price. Some of those other "complicated" options, like sync, will come in real handy when I get a second EDP. :-) -Allan cameron wrote: >Over the past year, i've read so much compicated stuff >regarding the EDP. I've made a decision never to buy 1. >They obviously have some advantages. But all this sounds >like a hassle. If the new Boomarang's gonna have 2 loops >I'll be interested in that. I'm starting a non EDP loopers site. >he he he I'm expecting some entertaining comments.he he >Fire away guys and gals. he he he. From aurisis Thu Jun 8 15:38:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29938 for looparc@annihilist.com; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:38:27 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29934 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:38:26 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05370; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:35:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:35:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: Hard Reset Message-ID: <0056910005432125000002L152*@MHS> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:05:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 06/08/00 13:08:44" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id OAA14136 Resent-Message-ID: <"ORLA_3.0.aT3.p2-Fv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Without the manual in front of me, I believe that the hard reset is power up while holding the mode button (left most button to the right of the display) I think. Loop on, K From aurisis Thu Jun 8 15:43:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29957 for looparc@annihilist.com; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:43:08 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29953 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:43:00 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08593; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:40:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:40:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <04f901bfd172$ee70f3c0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Hard Reset Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:56:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"yHziQ2.0.972.VvzFv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Can someone save me some time and give me the Hard Reset procedure. I'm >having trouble finding it in the manual and I'm experiencing parameter >fatigue. I found the PDF version of the EDP manual very handy. It's on the LD website. A text search for 'factory' reveals the following on page 2-4: "You can reset all parameters to their factory defaults by holding down the Parameters button when you power up." Instant parameter fatigue relief! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From aurisis Thu Jun 8 16:56:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30307 for looparc@annihilist.com; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:56:19 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30303 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:56:18 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16222; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:44:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:44:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000608200547.935.qmail@web214.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:05:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: EDP upgrade -? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"iwWNY1.0.643.Vo_Fv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So should we consider the no-response on this query to be an official "no comment", or did i just miss the reply? stephen To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EDP upgrade -? From: Stephen Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:29:30 -0700 (PDT) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have noticed Kim&Co. mention some of the features of a pending EDP upgrade. I took special notice of a midi clock re-sync feature. - Is there an estimated release date for the upgrade? - Is there list of features / enhancements / bug fixes available somewhere so that we can start properly lusting after it? - What will be the $$ for the upgrade? thanks stephen --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > and from what I hear of the next > upgrade, will get even > better. ===== Stephen ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From aurisis Thu Jun 8 16:56:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30323 for looparc@annihilist.com; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:56:27 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30319 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:56:26 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21302; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:54:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:54:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39400252.8443CDF3@dmans.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 15:30:10 -0500 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: boomerang References: <2b.6a9f639.266f345e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"raZRZ3.0.pd3.S70Gv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, While I shy away from putting a stake in the ground because I've been wrong in the past, I believe it will be within 2 weeks. Five players have been using the V2.0 modules for about 10 days and the software has been in use for about 6 weeks, so we are approaching the point where our confidence will allow us to release it. Rest assured I'll send up a BIG flare when it's ready. Phaedebk@aol.com wrote: > Whoops, > > Sorry about that, thanks for the correction Mike! > Any idea of when the new BIOS chip is to be ready/shipped? > > Thanks again, > > > LeeohkinoWired. > -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From aurisis Thu Jun 8 17:18:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30368 for looparc@annihilist.com; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:18:45 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30364 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:18:44 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02530; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:16:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:16:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39400739.C7FA7181@bard.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 16:51:05 -0400 From: Stewart Dean Organization: Henderson Computer Resource Center, Bard College X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: What should I buy for a music practice looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vqe_R3.0.xR4.dQ0Gv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK, all I want is the ability to have a melody replayed in an endless loop so I can practice backup against it. I'm NOT using to make or build up loops....JUST to practice against. I need a loop something like 2-4 minutes long. What should I buy? I'm looking at a BOSS SP-202; would that fill the bill? Any ideas where I could find one used? Will the BR-8 do loops? Suggestions? -- Stewart Dean, Unix System Admin, Henderson Computer Resources Center of Bard College, Annandale-on-Hudson, New York 12504 sdean@bard.edu voice: 914-758-7475, fax: 914-758-7035 From aurisis Thu Jun 8 18:07:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30407 for looparc@annihilist.com; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:07:35 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30403 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:07:35 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32745; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:04:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:04:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: What should I buy for a music practice looper Message-ID: <0056910005439162000002L122*@MHS> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:40:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 06/08/00 16:46:58" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id RAA12570 Resent-Message-ID: <"gIJYJ2.0.o43.bC1Gv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Regarding : OK, all I want is the ability to have a melody replayed in an endless loop so I can practice backup against it. I'm NOT using to make or build up loops....JUST to practice against. I need a loop something like 2-4 minutes long. What should I buy? I'm looking at a BOSS SP-202; would that fill the bill? Any ideas where I could find one used? Will the BR-8 do loops? Suggestions? >From : Stewart Dean, Unix System Admin, Henderson Computer Resources Center of Bard College, Annandale-on-Hudson, New York 12504 sdean@bard.edu voice: 914-758-7475, fax: 914-758-7035 I would suggest that the cheapest approach, and also practical, is the smallest, cheapest cassette based 4-track that you can find from Tascam or Fostex. My first 4-track changed my life, just as much as my Echoplex did, and they have many applications beyond looping. Yr Brother in Looping, K From aurisis Thu Jun 8 18:48:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30439 for looparc@annihilist.com; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:48:37 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30435 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:48:37 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27884; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:44:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:44:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000b01bfd192$46d8b1a0$0100a8c0@urso> From: "Daniel Pezzotti" To: References: <39400739.C7FA7181@bard.edu> Subject: Re: What should I buy for a music practice looper Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:41:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"y4_Gq2.0.n_2.5C1Gv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Stewart! The Boomerang Range might be the right solution since you can loop up to 4 minutes ............. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stewart Dean To: Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 10:51 PM Subject: What should I buy for a music practice looper > OK, all I want is the ability to have a melody replayed in an endless > loop so I can practice backup against it. I'm NOT using to make or > build up loops....JUST to practice against. I need a loop something > like 2-4 minutes long. What should I buy? > > I'm looking at a BOSS SP-202; would that fill the bill? Any ideas where > I could find one used? Will the BR-8 do loops? > Suggestions? > > -- > Stewart Dean, Unix System Admin, Henderson Computer Resources > Center of Bard College, Annandale-on-Hudson, New York 12504 > sdean@bard.edu voice: 914-758-7475, fax: 914-758-7035 > From aurisis Thu Jun 8 20:01:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30492 for looparc@annihilist.com; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:01:00 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30488 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:01:00 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13601; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:58:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:58:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: What should I buy for a music practice looper Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:16:52 -0500 Message-ID: <01bfd19f$a1a343e0$71014f0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"zY-fL2.0.FO3.do1Gv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: Stewart Dean >OK, all I want is the ability to have a melody replayed in an endless >loop so I can practice backup against it. I'm NOT using to make or >build up loops....JUST to practice against. I need a loop something >like 2-4 minutes long. What should I buy? >Suggestions? > There is no shortgae of great looping tools/instruments (which is what one would use to have a "melody replayed in an endless loop so I can practice backup against") outlined at http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/tools.html Prices and reviews for some of these items can be found at http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/ Remember to take into account what you need free, i.e. hands, feet, mouth, other whilst practicing when making your final purchase decision. Best of luck, PedrOOrdeP From aurisis Thu Jun 8 21:18:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30581 for looparc@annihilist.com; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:18:26 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30577 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:18:26 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09599; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:15:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:15:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: switters@earthlink.net Message-ID: <394063F5.24EE7598@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 20:26:54 -0700 Reply-To: switters@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jamman, Microsynth and motors Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"M_Z4Y.0.SV6.zQ3Gv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Two questions and a contribution to the discussion: a) How does one obtain the Jamman ROM (I've tried contacting Bob before and was unsuccessful) and how much does it cost? b) To any of the other Micosynth users, I ask this: is it possible to adjust or otherwise modify the gate? I've started using it before a high gain channel and the closing is more distinctly audible in that setting. If anyone has any solutions internal or otherwise I'd appreciate your aid. c) Rather than merely dumping questions on the list I thought I'd contibute this thought to the experiment - I have a Walkman from Reading-for-the-Blind (no, I'm not blind it was an ADD thing; and either it helped or I didn't need it because I'm working towards a Ph.D in literature at the moment). Anyway, this wonderful little device has a built-in speaker, three motor speeds and a fine speed control which makes brilliant looping tool. I like to use it with my slightly microphonic bridge pick up in two ways: as a lo-fi sampler (i.e. pop a tape in and play it through my guitar and effects) or as a cheap pitch generator. In the later instance I use the fine speed control and my tuner to find a pitch (generated by the motor noise and heard through my pickup) appropriate to the chords in a song and then run that note through effects to create a drone or a simple phrase when used with a pitch shifter. Flicking the speed switch allows me to jump between pitches (unfortunately it's hard to get it to do two in-tune pitches) so with processing I can get wonderfully buzz moog-type pads going or theramin like squiggles). Can anyone else recommend any other motor devices or dementia of a similar ilk (I've divulged a considerable amount of classified info here so lets all be honest about such devices- marital aids included). Best, Sean From aurisis Thu Jun 8 21:38:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30601 for looparc@annihilist.com; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:38:00 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30597 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:37:59 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19904; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:35:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:35:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001d01bfd1ae$bd1fb630$53310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <39400739.C7FA7181@bard.edu> Subject: Re: What should I buy for a music practice looper Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:04:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"ivnfN.0.Ig7.674Gv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Akai HeadRush, Zoom 2101, or ultra-cheap Digitech RDS-8000 would do the trick. - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart Dean" To: Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 4:51 PM Subject: What should I buy for a music practice looper > OK, all I want is the ability to have a melody replayed in an endless > loop so I can practice backup against it. I'm NOT using to make or > build up loops....JUST to practice against. I need a loop something > like 2-4 minutes long. What should I buy? > > I'm looking at a BOSS SP-202; would that fill the bill? Any ideas where > I could find one used? Will the BR-8 do loops? > Suggestions? > > -- > Stewart Dean, Unix System Admin, Henderson Computer Resources > Center of Bard College, Annandale-on-Hudson, New York 12504 > sdean@bard.edu voice: 914-758-7475, fax: 914-758-7035 > > From aurisis Thu Jun 8 22:35:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30681 for looparc@annihilist.com; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:35:22 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30677 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:35:22 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29095; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:33:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:33:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002601bfd1b1$9a515020$c222dacf@z8y9w0> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <39400739.C7FA7181@bard.edu> Subject: Re: What should I buy for a music practice looper Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:25:30 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Resent-Message-ID: <"Zi2yc1.0.7k4.iU4Gv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you can save it as a MIDI sequence, you can play it in a loop on your PC using Media Player. Just set the Preferences/Repeat box as checked. Then again, Real Loopers have this setting on already... :) [wink] Stephen Goodman * The free Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart Dean" To: Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 13:51 Subject: What should I buy for a music practice looper > OK, all I want is the ability to have a melody replayed in an endless > loop so I can practice backup against it. I'm NOT using to make or > build up loops....JUST to practice against. I need a loop something > like 2-4 minutes long. What should I buy? > > I'm looking at a BOSS SP-202; would that fill the bill? Any ideas where > I could find one used? Will the BR-8 do loops? > Suggestions? > > -- > Stewart Dean, Unix System Admin, Henderson Computer Resources > Center of Bard College, Annandale-on-Hudson, New York 12504 > sdean@bard.edu voice: 914-758-7475, fax: 914-758-7035 > From aurisis Thu Jun 8 22:59:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30706 for looparc@annihilist.com; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:59:23 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30702 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:59:22 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16301; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:56:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:56:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002801bfd1b2$5f98da60$e3bc9318@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Luden" To: "Greg" , "Loopers Delight" References: <20000607024046.43552.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Suggested 'net radio stations Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:31:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"NbVxc.0.Il4.uV4Gv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For ambient goto: http://www.netradio.com/channels/ambient/index.html and click on the icon for music of Eno, Orb, Aphex Twin. Great station. Luden ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 10:40 PM Subject: Suggested 'net radio stations > Can anyone suggest any net-based streaming radio stations that might play > loop-related and/or ambient music? I already listen pretty faithfully to > echoes (www.echoes.org -- broadcast on musicsojourn) while I'm at work. > Have found some nice bits here and there and would like to find other > similar stations. > > thanks, > Greg > > obligatory EDP mention: > > From aurisis Fri Jun 9 21:47:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31686 for looparc@annihilist.com; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 21:47:20 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31682 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 21:47:19 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31473; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 21:44:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 21:44:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PraNa@voicenet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: prana@popmail.voicenet.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:48:44 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Lexicon Jamman on EBay Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"_voap2.0.cF6.izOGv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just put my Jamman up for sale on EBay if anyone's interested. Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=354271296 Feel free to e-mail me with any questions. Thanks! From aurisis Sat Jun 10 03:16:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31924 for looparc@annihilist.com; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 03:16:22 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA31920 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 03:16:21 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30138; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 03:13:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 03:13:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 01:49:51 -0400 From: Alessandro Ricciarelli Subject: Lexicon Jamman on EBay Sender: Alessandro Ricciarelli To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <200006100150_MC2-A841-9328@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by rosy.yourwebhost.com id BAA08958 Resent-Message-ID: <"V0FMg3.0.hC2.0TTGv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi! Does this unit allow multiple loops? If yes, how many, and how long can they be? Thank you, Alessandro From aurisis Sat Jun 10 14:05:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32489 for looparc@annihilist.com; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:05:38 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32485 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:05:34 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02898; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:01:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:01:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.1.20000610122334.00a8fe30@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:32:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: p koniuto Subject: --semi OT: mp3 question-- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"YJvEx2.0.7f7.hscGv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK loopers, some guidance please: I'm trying to put some loops up on MP3.com. But after it seems the whole bloody track has uploaded, i get an error saying the upload was incomplete. They specify the format required: MPEG 1.0, Layer 3, 128kbps, 44.1khz and Stereo I'm encoding using RealJukebox Plus, and i am indeed using the 128k bitrate setting. I'm not sure what "layer 3" is. Any ideas what's going wrong here? I don't really feel like downloading more encoding software--whatever MP3.com's is called. I promise, when i finally get some material uploaded successfully (with your help), you'll have some fabulous loopage to listen to! Thanks, peter koniuto From aurisis Sat Jun 10 15:53:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32582 for looparc@annihilist.com; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:53:38 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32578 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:53:37 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10105; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:46:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:46:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000610192229.72523.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: --semi OT: mp3 question-- Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:22:29 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"0dN5i.0.006.RMfGv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mp3.com has been having some technical difficulties lately. The same thing happens to me about half the time, when there's nothing wrong with the track. I usually just try again, and it eventually works. I guess it helps to have a high speed internet connection. The other problem lately is that, when you do get a song uploaded and posted, it contains digital errors (song gets cut off, or has digital popping sounds). This is something that happens in the hands of mp3.com, since the mp3's are fine before I send them. It's something that's been happening with them within the last few months. Matt Davignon >From: p koniuto >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: --semi OT: mp3 question-- >Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:32:10 -0700 > > >OK loopers, some guidance please: > >I'm trying to put some loops up on MP3.com. >But after it seems the whole bloody track has >uploaded, i get an error saying the upload was >incomplete. They specify the format required: > > MPEG 1.0, Layer 3, 128kbps, 44.1khz > and Stereo > >I'm encoding using RealJukebox Plus, and i am >indeed using the 128k bitrate setting. I'm not >sure what "layer 3" is. > >Any ideas what's going wrong here? I don't >really feel like downloading more encoding >software--whatever MP3.com's is called. > >I promise, when i finally get some material >uploaded successfully (with your help), you'll >have some fabulous loopage to listen to! > >Thanks, >peter koniuto > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From aurisis Sat Jun 10 17:04:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32666 for looparc@annihilist.com; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:04:13 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA32662 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:04:12 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23544; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:01:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:01:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39429AED.5283@hevanet.com.> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:45:49 -0700 From: david auker X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: 'Plex Display Question - dual dots? References: <4.3.2.7.1.20000610122334.00a8fe30@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TZ7pj2.0.DK1.ncfGv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi! The starting point of a cycle is indicated by the green decimal point in the lower-right-corner of the display flashing briefly. Is it normal to ALSO have another green dot flashing simultaneously on the LEFT side of the display? (a decimal point just to the right of the current Loop number?) |: David :| From aurisis Sun Jun 11 13:55:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01216 for looparc@annihilist.com; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:55:09 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01212 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:55:09 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00778; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:46:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:46:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000611163038.76407.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [165.227.137.10] From: "David Potter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: list confusion??? Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:30:38 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"YHm4G2.0.0y5.IxxGv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Kim sorry about the anger over the email mixup with Roxanne. I can be a jerk sometimes. I know you don't have time to check on all the problems. I still don't know why Roxanne received the loopers email. Our computer just seems to shift the mail from papadave55@hotmail.com to potter@cruzio.com with no one doing anything. You do a great job and don't deserve to be flamed by a disgruntled looper (at least I'm not a disgruntled postal worker)Sorry Postal Dave... I still receive a few messages from loopers delight and am able to write to the list but I can tell from the archive that most are not coming through. I can live with checking the archive it's just interesting how cyber space works sometimes. Wish you the best, Om and Out Papa Dave >From: "matt davignon" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: --semi OT: mp3 question-- >Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:22:29 PDT > >Mp3.com has been having some technical difficulties lately. The same thing >happens to me about half the time, when there's nothing wrong with the >track. I usually just try again, and it eventually works. I guess it helps >to have a high speed internet connection. > >The other problem lately is that, when you do get a song uploaded and >posted, it contains digital errors (song gets cut off, or has digital >popping sounds). This is something that happens in the hands of mp3.com, >since the mp3's are fine before I send them. It's something that's been >happening with them within the last few months. > >Matt Davignon > > >>From: p koniuto >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Subject: --semi OT: mp3 question-- >>Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:32:10 -0700 >> >> >>OK loopers, some guidance please: >> >>I'm trying to put some loops up on MP3.com. >>But after it seems the whole bloody track has >>uploaded, i get an error saying the upload was >>incomplete. They specify the format required: >> >> MPEG 1.0, Layer 3, 128kbps, 44.1khz >> and Stereo >> >>I'm encoding using RealJukebox Plus, and i am >>indeed using the 128k bitrate setting. I'm not >>sure what "layer 3" is. >> >>Any ideas what's going wrong here? I don't >>really feel like downloading more encoding >>software--whatever MP3.com's is called. >> >>I promise, when i finally get some material >>uploaded successfully (with your help), you'll >>have some fabulous loopage to listen to! >> >>Thanks, >>peter koniuto >> > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From aurisis Sun Jun 11 14:23:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01246 for looparc@annihilist.com; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:23:31 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01242 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:23:31 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22309; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:14:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:14:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004301bfd3cb$a62c34c0$e3ad5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #168 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:36:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"0fc76.0.Pj7.4_yGv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #168 June 8, 2000. On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Dutch synthesist Ron Boots. The feature CD at Midnight was the Odds & Ends disk from the six disc collection "The 80's Box" on the Groove label. The music of Jeff Pearce and Kevin Keller was played in support of their upcoming concert at The Gathering on June 10, 2000. Jeff Pearce http://www.hypnos.com/pearce Kevin Keller http://www.kevinkeller.com The Gathering http://www.thegatherings.org ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Micah Sadigh The Moravian Star A Vision of God (none) Kevin Keller Trio Six Echoes of Summer Iris by Night (none) VA [Jeff Pearce] The Sacred Descent The Other World (Hypnos) Saul Stokes Conundrum Outfolding (Hypnos) Sante Airstream Into Light (Sante Music) Syndromeda Millennium Ready Birth of a Black Hole (Groove) Raibow Serpent Part 5 Pulse (Manikin) Revival Transition 3 Revival (none) Revival The End of Time Revival (none) 12:00 am Ron Boots Coldfields New Dream (Groove) Ron Boots New Dream New Dream (Groove) Ron Boots Desert New Dream (Groove) Ron Boots Alpha New Dream (Groove) Ron Boots Nosferatu New Dream (Groove) Ron Boots Snow Mountain * New Dream (Groove) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Ron Boots. Each week's feature CD at midnight will be taken from the Boots 80's Box, a collection of his early cassette releases remastered and other rare tracks. The feature CD at midnight will be "Wind in the Trees" on the Groove label. From aurisis Sun Jun 11 16:01:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01458 for looparc@annihilist.com; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:01:49 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01454 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:01:48 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14353; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:54:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:54:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001701bfd3d5$94c07980$dd1c4518@gvcl1.bc.wave.home.com> From: "David Green" To: Subject: TC D-Two Delay Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 11:48:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"BLUx5.0.qh4.8_zGv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've been looking at getting the TC D-Two Delay. Does anyone here have any experience with this unit? How does it handle; fit into your looping rig; sound; etc. Any thoughts on whether its worth the money? Thanks, David From aurisis Sun Jun 11 18:35:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01545 for looparc@annihilist.com; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:35:17 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01541 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:35:17 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06808; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:31:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:31:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Message-Id: <200006112129.OAA10274@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:29:37 -0800 Subject: Re: TC D-Two Delay To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TkF1i1.0.lv4.3J0Hv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I wanna know too...anybody?...STANNER ---------- >From: "David Green" >To: >Subject: TC D-Two Delay >Date: Sun, Jun 11, 2000, 10:48 AM > > I've been looking at getting the TC D-Two Delay. Does anyone here have any > experience with this unit? How does it handle; fit into your looping rig; > sound; etc. Any thoughts on whether its worth the money? > > Thanks, > David > > From aurisis Sun Jun 11 21:57:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01725 for looparc@annihilist.com; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:57:00 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01721 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:57:00 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26867; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:54:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:54:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000612005652.11652.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:56:52 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: Re: TC D-Two Delay To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"ALC213.0.Lc4.QL3Hv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It rules. You should go and buy it now. Noone uses delay as much as I do. It is a wonderful machine and a great value. --- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > I wanna know too...anybody?...STANNER > > ---------- > >From: "David Green" > >To: > >Subject: TC D-Two Delay > >Date: Sun, Jun 11, 2000, 10:48 AM > > > > > I've been looking at getting the TC D-Two Delay. > Does anyone here have any > > experience with this unit? How does it handle; fit > into your looping rig; > > sound; etc. Any thoughts on whether its worth the > money? > > > > Thanks, > > David > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From aurisis Mon Jun 12 00:24:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01847 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:24:22 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01843 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:24:22 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28678; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:20:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:20:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000611230431.007b8e00@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:04:31 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: TC D-Two Delay In-Reply-To: <20000612005652.11652.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"1d3Tn1.0.Pw7.L95Hv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 05:56 PM 6/11/00 -0700, Dan Sumner wrote: >... Noone uses delay as much as I do... Oh boy, now THERE'S a can of worms! Let the competition begin! Tim From aurisis Mon Jun 12 01:33:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01904 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:33:11 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA01900 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:33:11 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28744; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:20:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:20:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Bad-Idea: su; rm -rf / X-Blasphemy: Invert me under my stars. Message-Id: <4.1.20000611220452.00b30ac0@208.129.32.53> X-Sender: reverendrob@208.129.32.53 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:05:37 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: TC D-Two Delay In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000611230431.007b8e00@pop.ici.net> References: <20000612005652.11652.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"aE2TO2.0.On5.oB6Hv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At or around 11:04 PM 6/11/00 -0400, Tim Nelson wrote: >At 05:56 PM 6/11/00 -0700, Dan Sumner wrote: >>... Noone uses delay as much as I do... > >Oh boy, now THERE'S a can of worms! Let the competition begin! Yeah, how are we going to judge this? Delay time? Feedback rate? Number of units run in serial, or perhaps parallel? Does modulation add bonus points? 93/156 == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ================================================================= http://www.reverendrob.com : feedback and echo MP3s From aurisis Mon Jun 12 08:19:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02683 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:19:36 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02679 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:19:35 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16409; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:16:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:16:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <20000612114316.27205.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 04:43:16 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: Re: TC D-Two Delay To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"FOPeR2.0.k37.PpCHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think it will have to be a totaling of all delay times used in a nights worth of music. Then I'm going to win for sure!!!!!! Maybe we could get TC to sponsor the contest with a prize, trip to Hawaii????? But who would be a good judge? In all seriousness, the D2 has met all of my expectations. It is so clean, and the filters and other effects it offers on the delays work magic for me. Dan --- the Reverend Rob wrote: > At or around 11:04 PM 6/11/00 -0400, Tim Nelson > wrote: > >At 05:56 PM 6/11/00 -0700, Dan Sumner wrote: > >>... Noone uses delay as much as I do... > > > >Oh boy, now THERE'S a can of worms! Let the > competition begin! > > Yeah, how are we going to judge this? Delay time? > Feedback rate? Number > of units run in serial, or perhaps parallel? Does > modulation add bonus > points? > > 93/156 > > > == > the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 > http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. > http://www.qblh.com > ================================================================= > "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to > destroy as much > property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the > Airplane FBI file > ================================================================= > http://www.reverendrob.com : feedback and echo MP3s > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From aurisis Mon Jun 12 10:33:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02831 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:33:32 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02827 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:33:31 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16735; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:29:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:29:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F90D98EE@mail.davitt-hanser.com> From: Todd Quincy To: "Loopers (E-mail)" Subject: "Next Loop" Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:09:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"cy8vQ.0.h92.iwEHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Loopers A quick setup question: Can the EDP execute a "Next Loop" as: * auto record * beginning after the current loop cycle ends. (like a jamman) I thought it did this. I may be confusing this with my long-lost jammen. I looked in my manual and tried every combination of "Auto Record" "Quantize" "Next Loop" i could try but failed to get the result I wanted." Thanks for the Hard Reset tip!!!! (you know who you are) Your jamming friend Todd From aurisis Mon Jun 12 11:11:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02885 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:11:16 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02881 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:11:16 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08258; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:07:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:07:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:56:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@red To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: DAP @ Knitting Factory w/Tony Geballe (Trey Gunn Band) & Anekdoten Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"485AG2.0.tu.6gFHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Wednesday, June 14th, The Knitting Factory at 74 Leonard Street in NYC will feature a night of progressive music in the main space featuring The Dark Aether Project with special guests Anekdoten and Tony Geballe. Doors open at 8pm. Tickets are $10 at The Knitting Factory box office or charge via phone at (212)219-3006. The Dark Aether Project features Adam Levin (Warr 8 string touch guitar/ keyboards/loops), Ray Weston (vocals/bass), Steev Geest (guitar/guitar synth/loops) and Allen Brunelle (drums/keyboards). Their music has been called "..intense and blistering...amazing loops and shimmering textures that are at once haunting and dreamlike" by Expose. Progression critic Larry Nai writes: "Dark Aether Project hits a lot of progressive rock pleasure points with Feed the Silence, but make no mistake: this is not another derivative band with little new to say...this is an absolutely fabulous album." The band will feature music from their forthcoming third album. See: http://www.darkaether.net/ Swedish progressive rock band Anekdoten features Nicklas Berg (vocals/guitar/keyboards), Jan-Erik Liljestrom (vocals/bass), Ana-Sofi Dahlberg (cello/keyboards/vocals) and Peter Nordins (drums/percussion). Anekdoten's music flows from heavy pounding dissonance to beautifully quiet melancholy melodic passages. Anekdoten will be performing in support of their third studio album _From Within_. See: http://home2.swipnet.se/~w-25753/anekdoten/ Tony Geballe's credits include work with Robert Fripp & the League of Crafty Guitarists, the Trey Gunn Band, Toyah, the New York Indonesian Gamelan, Dostlar and since 1993, Composer-in-Residence to New York's Arden Party Theater Company. Tony will feature material from his DGM release "Native of the Rain" highlighting his extraordinary 12 string acoustic guitar work. See: http://www.parallaxweb.com/tonycore/ For directions and more information about The Knitting Factory, please visit http://www.knittingfactory.com/ From aurisis Mon Jun 12 11:24:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02929 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:24:34 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02925 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:24:33 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14386; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:21:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:21:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000612105032.00e1dd40@marathon.simons-rock.edu> X-Sender: nick@marathon.simons-rock.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:51:24 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: nick ring Subject: FS: TC D-Two Delay on Harmony Central [not by me] In-Reply-To: <001701bfd3d5$94c07980$dd1c4518@gvcl1.bc.wave.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"S1OvZ.0.-V1.sjFHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com T.C. ELECTRONIC D-2 DELAY...LIKE NEW!!! Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: Hello, I have the following for sale: T.C. Electronic D-2 delay unit. A few scratches from the rack, but nothing major. Comes with power supply, manual, and warranty card. This is a killer digital delay...don't miss out! Asking $425 shipped. Pre-pay preffered, I have MANY references. Serious inquiries ONLY. No trades. I anxiously await your responses. Thanx, Brooks Seller: brooks rongstad, 612-871-0204 E-mail: mrbrooksy@hotmail.com (Profile) Location: MINNEAPOLIS, MN Post Date: 6/12/2000 From aurisis Mon Jun 12 12:06:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03060 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:06:28 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03056 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:06:24 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02385; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:00:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:00:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:39:04 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, permadan@yahoo.com Subject: Re: TC D-Two Delay Resent-Message-ID: <"8NeNU3.0.Oo5.aIGHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Dan... Everything looks great on the D-Two... I'm still wanting to know a couple things though before I sell the cow... 1. Does it have a delay HOLD function? 2. Is there a midi control change parameter for delay INPUT level so one can smoothly swell the volume level going to just the delays, then slip out and let the delay trails continue to regenerate? Best, -Miko >>> dan sumner 06/12 5:14 AM >>> I think it will have to be a totaling of all delay times used in a nights worth of music. Then I'm going to win for sure!!!!!! Maybe we could get TC to sponsor the contest with a prize, trip to Hawaii????? But who would be a good judge? In all seriousness, the D2 has met all of my expectations. It is so clean, and the filters and other effects it offers on the delays work magic for me. Dan --- the Reverend Rob wrote: > At or around 11:04 PM 6/11/00 -0400, Tim Nelson > wrote: > >At 05:56 PM 6/11/00 -0700, Dan Sumner wrote: > >>... Noone uses delay as much as I do... > > > >Oh boy, now THERE'S a can of worms! Let the > competition begin! > > Yeah, how are we going to judge this? Delay time? > Feedback rate? Number > of units run in serial, or perhaps parallel? Does > modulation add bonus > points? > > 93/156 > > > == > the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 > http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. > http://www.qblh.com > ================================================================= > "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to > destroy as much > property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the > Airplane FBI file > ================================================================= > http://www.reverendrob.com : feedback and echo MP3s > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From aurisis Mon Jun 12 12:08:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03076 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:08:06 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03072 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:08:06 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04948; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:04:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:04:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <00d401bfd484$b3e93540$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: 'Plex Display Question - dual dots? Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:41:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"CNFak2.0.0u5.BJGHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >... Is it normal to >ALSO have another green dot flashing simultaneously on the LEFT side of >the display? I think you're talking about the Sync display. Look on page 2-2 of the manual to confirm that. Yes, that's normal, depending on how you have the sync set-up. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From aurisis Mon Jun 12 12:32:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03118 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:32:15 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03114 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:32:15 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12534; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:28:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:28:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:08:24 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: "Next Loop" In-reply-to: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F90D98EE@mail.davitt-hanser.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"FmZki2.0.LL2.jqGHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 7:09 AM -0700 6/12/00, Todd Quincy wrote: >Can the EDP execute a "Next Loop" as: >* auto record >* beginning after the current loop cycle ends. (like a jamman) > >I thought it did this. I may be confusing this with my long-lost jammen. > > >I looked in my manual and tried every combination of "Auto Record" >"Quantize" "Next Loop" i could try but failed to get the result I >wanted." It does it, you want the "switchquant" parameter, which is for quantizing loop switches to the end of the loop cycle instead of going instantly. check the faq, there is a section related to this: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From aurisis Mon Jun 12 12:52:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03162 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:52:49 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03158 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:52:49 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15820; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:48:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:48:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3945108F.7220@hevanet.com.> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:32:15 -0700 From: david auker X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 'Plex Display Question - dual dots? References: <00d401bfd484$b3e93540$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"N3wCP2.0.Tz2.DzGHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Sync cycle is still in the right region of the display...I'm seeing kind of a "shadow" of the StartPoint flash way over on the left, just to the right side of the Number of the current loop... Thnx for any observations, David ======== Dennis W. Leas wrote: > > >... Is it normal to > >ALSO have another green dot flashing simultaneously on the LEFT side of > >the display? > > I think you're talking about the Sync display. Look on page 2-2 of the manual > to confirm that. > > Yes, that's normal, depending on how you have the sync set-up. > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com From aurisis Mon Jun 12 12:55:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03182 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:55:30 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03178 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:55:30 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16216; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:51:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:51:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Jprice01@aol.com Message-ID: <9a.5fab3e0.26766826@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:21:58 EDT Subject: AKASH SAYS THANK YOU To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Resent-Message-ID: <"WAZTt2.0.Ab2.DvGHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thank you to everyone "loopey and local" who attended AKASH's performance @ Butter last Friday in Philly. Special thank you to "Dave" from "Looper's D" for your presence and kind words. It was a pleasure meeting a list memeber in person. ( BTW, We owe you a CD...have not forgotten that ) Everyone had a blast @ Butter and AKASH looks forward to seeing more of everyone from Loopers Delight in person. We have decided not to go forward with a page devoted exclusively to Pics of just Loralai...but all you guys who like to "look" can still get the pic fix satiated with our alternative offering. We are working on a Click Through Web Theater of AKASH with Pictures of Loralai and select written texts that can sorta & kinda simulate the "AKASHIC RECORD aka, The Live Experience" in albeit primative & low bandwidth technology. (Just using pics and words that tell a certain story - not webcasting from AOL just yet lol :) Ciao for now. Warm Regards & Thanks Again, JP/AKASH "Remember to Kill your expectations" VISIT AKASH ON THE WEB FOR NEWS, SOUNDS, PICS AND BAND BIOS http://hometown.aol.com/akashmusic/myhomepage/personal.html From aurisis Mon Jun 12 13:44:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03244 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:44:46 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03240 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:44:46 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06371; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:41:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:41:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:23:18 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: 'Plex Display Question - dual dots? In-reply-to: <"3945108F.7220"@hevanet.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <00d401bfd484$b3e93540$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"0fTL21.0.c6.AyHHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what you are seeing is the "autoundo" LED. It's probably not even in the manual, it's not very critical really. It blinks each time an "autoundo" is done. Which is to say, each time a loop plays through and you have made no changes to it. If you do an overdub or something, you will see that this LED does not blink at the end of that loop period. I don't have time to explain this well, but Undo is explained in the manual. that might help you a bit. I don't think it really refers to "autoundo", since it isn't really important to using the echoplex. But that's what we call it when we get to the end of the loop, note that no changes have been made to the loop, and jump back to reuse the previous loop data. If changes had been made, we go forward to loop with the newly created loop data. Since we never know when you might make a change, we are always writing new data so that the previous version can be preserved for undo's. If we get to the end and see that you didn't make a change, we do an "autoundo" to toss out the newly written stuff and go back to the previous data. kim >The Sync cycle is still in the right region of the display...I'm seeing >kind of a "shadow" of the StartPoint flash way over on the left, just to >the right side of the Number of the current loop... > >Thnx for any observations, David > >======== >Dennis W. Leas wrote: >> >> >... Is it normal to >> >ALSO have another green dot flashing simultaneously on the LEFT side of >> >the display? >> >> I think you're talking about the Sync display. Look on page 2-2 of the >>manual >> to confirm that. >> >> Yes, that's normal, depending on how you have the sync set-up. >> >> Dennis Leas >> ----------------------------- >> dennis@mdbs.com ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From aurisis Mon Jun 12 14:54:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03313 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:54:00 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03309 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:53:59 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17035; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:49:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:49:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39452A7E.A2@hevanet.com.> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:22:54 -0700 From: david auker X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 'Plex Display Question - dual dots? References: <00d401bfd484$b3e93540$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"h0mtU2.0.r4.2bIHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yup, that's this little phantom dot. It's normal (and so's my eyesight;-) We are ok in the lighting department! David ====== Kim Flint wrote: > > what you are seeing is the "autoundo" LED. It's probably not even in the > manual, it's not very critical really. It blinks each time an "autoundo" is > done. Which is to say, each time a loop plays through and you have made no > changes to it. If you do an overdub or something, you will see that this > LED does not blink at the end of that loop period. ... From aurisis Mon Jun 12 15:49:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03398 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:49:04 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03394 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:49:00 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07262; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:45:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:45:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39452FEF.6DD59C0E@best.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:46:07 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Any FS1R users here? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1KQLH.0.uy3.Z0JHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have been contemplating getting a Yamaha FS1R tone generator. Is there any one here who uses this unit and could offer their opinion? I know it is out of production but it is still posible to get one at Musician's Friend and on eBay. -Allan From aurisis Mon Jun 12 16:28:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03467 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:28:24 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03463 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:28:23 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01643; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:21:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:21:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39452FEF.6DD59C0E@best.com> References: <39452FEF.6DD59C0E@best.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:59:38 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Any FS1R users here? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <"oFCPI.0.uk4.05KHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I have been contemplating getting a Yamaha FS1R tone generator. Is >there any one here who uses this unit and could offer their opinion? I >know it is out of production but it is still posible to get one at >Musician's Friend and on eBay. dang, some people were getting them for as low as $250, so say the reviews on Harmony Central! I've been thinking about this machine off and on for a while, here's the specs... if I could have found it at $250 I'd be playing with it this instant! /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From aurisis Mon Jun 12 16:42:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03488 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:42:14 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03484 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:42:14 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08735; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:38:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:38:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Jamman Queries Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:59:29 -0500 Message-ID: <01bfd4b1$19e1edc0$25074f0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"MfVR23.0.Kr5.v9KHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello there gang, I was wondering if owners of the fine Jamman have had any problems not much unlike those occasionally experienced by EDP users?? This is not meant to start a one is better than other discussion, I ask because I own two EDPs and am quite happy with them,and was contemplating purchasing another looping device, and seeing as Jamman's are still around (Ebay, et cetera)I was wondering if they had glitch, overheating, distorted input, any kind of problems whatsoever. I also ask because i've noticed in the time that i've been on the digest, I never really see "my Jamman is acting really weird" complaints. So, please advise directly unless you feel it would do the group some good to know. Thanks one and all, PedrOOrdeP From aurisis Mon Jun 12 20:15:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03586 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:15:41 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03582 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:15:41 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00470; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:11:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:11:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3945758A.9F7D6135@home.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:43:06 -0500 From: Jon Southwood Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: OT-Ebates for Musician's Friend? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PUgzD.0.VD3.lJNHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Since the original that I think I saw came from this list, I figured I'd ask the question here. I thought I remembered someone posting here that you could get some money back by going through ebates.com to make purchases at Musician's Friend. However, when I went to ebates, I could not find a link to Musician's Friend. Is there another, similar site with a link to Musician's Friend or another on-line retailer of equipment? boat drinks, Jon Southwood gamma-ut@home.com From aurisis Mon Jun 12 21:17:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03658 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:17:20 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03654 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:17:20 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07642; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:14:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:14:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.1.20000612202807.00a9cbc0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:36:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: p koniuto Subject: --Lexicon MPX-1 tweaking-- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"Q-_8S1.0.Qi3.29OHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Since the archive search engine isn't up and running currently: I know some folks on this list have discussed the Lexicon MPX-1, both as a looper and signal processor. I'm thinking about purchasing one, more for processing my loops (already have JM, EDP, and Vortex), than as a separate looper (although another one round certainly couldn't hurt!). How programmable is this unit? I've read that one can have up to 5 effects running at a time, and that one can put them in various orders, etc. But what about the tweakability of each program? I tend to do a LOT of parameter- mangling. Is this possible on the MPX-1? Gracias, peter koniuto From aurisis Mon Jun 12 23:20:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03784 for looparc@annihilist.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:20:14 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03780 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:20:13 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14640; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:16:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:16:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <006401bfd4dd$c097d4a0$9122dacf@z8y9w0> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <39452FEF.6DD59C0E@best.com> Subject: Re: Any FS1R users here? Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:19:06 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Resent-Message-ID: <"Hu0jo3.0.pz5.uePHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I might suggest looking through the listings at http://www.recycler.com - The Recycler has been a want-ad paper for years, and in the past several, moved onto the Internet, with great effect. It's still free to leave ads, and free to look through them. Why this place, you might ask? I still say that Los Angeles is the Greatest City in the World for Buying Great Used Musical Equipment! All but the new Mackie 1202vlz and the stereo / computer components were bought through the Recycler, way back in its print-only days. You can also leave Wanted ads for no charge, and all this without having to expose oneself to eBay for an instant. :) Stephen Goodman * The free Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Hoeltje" To: "Loopers-Delight" Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 11:46 Subject: Any FS1R users here? > I have been contemplating getting a Yamaha FS1R tone generator. Is > there any one here who uses this unit and could offer their opinion? I > know it is out of production but it is still posible to get one at > Musician's Friend and on eBay. > > -Allan > From aurisis Tue Jun 13 04:45:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04137 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:45:03 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA04133 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:45:02 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19089; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:41:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:41:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 00:43:51 -0700 Subject: Line 6 DL4 or Boomerang? From: Will & Gemma McCoy To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ja6m_2.0.hp2.uSUHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, Im wondering which is the best inexpensive looper---The Line 6 DL4 or the Boomerang? Any advice would be helpful. Thanks. Will From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 13 05:25:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA04211; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:22:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:22:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39467741.B207A040@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:02:41 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: [GIG] Mathias Grob & Claude Voit in Switzerland Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have the pleasure to invite Mathias for a little "Chill out/Garden party" total improv concert Claude Voit: Accoustic guitar + one man band rig Mathias Grob: Electric Guitar + ???? where: Nyon (on the Geneva lake) event: Fete de la musique (400 musicians of _all_ kind spread in the city from early to very late) when:june 17; 9 pm (21h); till the night where exactly: lake side East (usine a gaz), near the boat crane nobody knows what we are going to play, so be there :=) Claude From aurisis Tue Jun 13 05:35:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA04388 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:35:16 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA04384 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:35:16 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA16635; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:32:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:32:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:57:28 EDT Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 or Boomerang? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Resent-Message-ID: <"KsQN2.0._n7.yUVHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com isn't the boomerang kind of pricey to be an "inexpensive" looper? =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 13 05:48:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA04453; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:46:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:46:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a301bfd517$e7484320$b39cb8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <01bfd4b1$19e1edc0$25074f0c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Subject: Re: Jamman Queries Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:07:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <09eTRD.A.CFB.BLgR5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hola Pedro, I am thinking about getting also a second EDP. How do they interact together in stereo? What about the input distortion did you have to change the resistors as well? with which ones? if you allready have the EDP´s i dont think you can get anything better than that as fas as capabilities! Hasta luego! Luis > Hello there gang, I was wondering if owners of the fine Jamman have had any > problems not much unlike those occasionally experienced by EDP users?? > This is not meant to start a one is better than other discussion, I ask > because I own two EDPs and am quite happy with them,and was contemplating > purchasing another looping device, and seeing as Jamman's are still around > (Ebay, et cetera)I was wondering if they had glitch, overheating, distorted > input, any kind of problems whatsoever. > I also ask because i've noticed in the time that i've been on the digest, I > never really see "my Jamman is acting really weird" complaints. > So, please advise directly unless you feel it would do the group some good > to know. > Thanks one and all, PedrOOrdeP > From aurisis Tue Jun 13 06:06:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04593 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:06:36 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04589 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:06:35 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA06418; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:02:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:02:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3945FF63.1FE8@club-internet.fr> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:31:15 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DJRND2 site housework Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IXHMp1.0.Pz3.6-VHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com DJRND2 site housework at http://web.club-internet.fr/perille Emmanuel From aurisis Tue Jun 13 10:23:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04939 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:23:56 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04935 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:23:55 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13314; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:20:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:20:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Jamman Queries Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:26:59 -0500 Message-ID: <01bfd543$6f6cf540$26cd580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"RV7NG2.0.Tj5.zVZHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Luis, the EDP's are quite remarkable in stereo, I work them in sync slave and master, though i've also done other things like using one EDP for one signal feed, morphing it some and feeding it into the other EDP and playing them against each other, funny interesting sounds, I call snowflakes. The input distortion problem was short lived on my newer EDP (a 97 I believe) and lasted only about twenty minutes, it hasn't happened again so i've held back on changing anything. Thanks for your thoughts, PedrOOrdeP >Hola Pedro, >I am thinking about getting also a second EDP. How do they interact together >in stereo? What about the input distortion did you have to change the >resistors as well? with which ones? if you allready have the EDP´s i dont >think you can get anything better than that as fas as capabilities! >Hasta luego! >Luis From aurisis Tue Jun 13 11:24:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05165 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:24:52 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05161 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:24:52 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11289; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:16:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:16:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: eleon@pop.ripco.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:18:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Eric Leonardson Subject: a place for Echoplex repair? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1251213655==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <"1annb3.0.SF1.uuaHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --============_-1251213655==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I'm having trouble with my Echoplex Digital Pro and it looks like a problem that needs professional attention. Can anyone on the list recommend a place for Echoplex repair in the U.S.? BTW, before posting this question to the list, I looked for an answer in the Loopers' Delight links and FAQ, and also the archives, but didn't find the answer. I don't have my manual here at this time, and realize the answer is probably in there. But, reading the Loopers' Delight list made me wonder if Gibson may have sold off their production of Oberheim stuff to another company. So I thought I'd go ahead and post... Here's some background info on the problem: Initially, I thought problem was a bad REC button on the foot controller. However, pressing REC on the unit itself results in the same problem: it records for only a moment, a 0.16, or 0.24 second sample. The display flashes a "ooo" before it stops recording. At first that was a transitory event, now it's consistent and all the other functions are malfunctioning, as well. It's out of warranty, and I purchased it last year in mint condition from a private owner. My plex has seen a lot use locally and on the road. It received a nasty blow this March (as if the airline baggage people dropped it straight out the cargo bay onto the tarmac), so I'm not surprised that my plex is unhappy. I'm glad this list exists. I haven't visited since last year, but it was instrumental in my decision to buy, search, and locate the Echoplex. Best regards, Eric sound thinking: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon --============_-1251213655==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" TimesI'm having trouble with my Echoplex Digital Pro and it looks like a problem that needs professional attention. Can anyone on the list recommend a place for Echoplex repair in the U.S.? BTW, before posting this question to the list, I looked for an answer in the Loopers' Delight links and FAQ, and also the archives, but didn't find the answer. I don't have my manual here at this time, and realize the answer is probably in there. But, reading the Loopers' Delight list made me wonder if Gibson may have sold off their production of Oberheim stuff to another company. So I thought I'd go ahead and post... Here's some background info on the problem: Initially, I thought problem was a bad REC button on the foot controller. However, pressing REC on the unit itself results in the same problem: it records for only a moment, a 0.16, or 0.24 second sample. The display flashes a "ooo" before it stops recording. At first that was a transitory event, now it's consistent and all the other functions are malfunctioning, as well. It's out of warranty, and I purchased it last year in mint condition from a private owner. My plex has seen a lot use locally and on the road. It received a nasty blow this March (as if the airline baggage people dropped it straight out the cargo bay onto the tarmac), so I'm not surprised that my plex is unhappy. I'm glad this list exists. I haven't visited since last year, but it was instrumental in my decision to buy, search, and locate the Echoplex. Best regards, Eric sound thinking: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon --============_-1251213655==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 13 12:38:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05404; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:34:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:34:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3946617C.B71EDCB6@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:29:48 -0700 From: Jim Poppen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [GIG] Mathias Grob & Claude Voit in Switzerland References: <39467741.B207A040@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Can you guys record your perfomance and post mp3's to some website??? I'd bet there are many who would love to hear it. Pretty please! :-) Jim Claude voit wrote: > > I have the pleasure to invite Mathias for a little "Chill out/Garden > party" total improv concert > > Claude Voit: Accoustic guitar + one man band rig > Mathias Grob: Electric Guitar + ???? > > where: Nyon (on the Geneva lake) > event: Fete de la musique (400 musicians of _all_ kind spread in the > city from early to very late) > when:june 17; 9 pm (21h); till the night > where exactly: lake side East (usine a gaz), near the boat crane > > nobody knows what we are going to play, so be there > :=) > > Claude From aurisis Tue Jun 13 13:22:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05573 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:22:03 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05569 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:22:03 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19045; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:16:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:16:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:05:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 or Boomerang? Resent-Message-ID: <"8qxiR3.0._84.gWcHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hello, > >Im wondering which is the best inexpensive looper---The Line 6 DL4 or the >Boomerang? Any advice would be helpful. Thanks. > >Will I use both. I wouldn't say either is better, they're pretty different. The Line 6's real strength is in the delay modelling, this thing makes some simply mind-expanding sounds. If you ony occaisionally loop, the Line 6 would probably be fine, the only trade-off being that you can't use the delay models while looping. The Boomerang is one of those totally simple, do-one-thing-and-do-it-right boxes. For as uncomplicated a device as it is, I've found a lot of different tricks that it can do, and with the upcoming ROM update, there'll be even more. The Boomerang isn't as hi-fi as the Line 6, but it sounds better than the specs should warrant. The Boomerang has got to have one of the best user interfaces ever on a stompbox, it's almost totally intuitive to use, not something I'd say about the Line 6. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 13 13:31:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05631; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:27:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:27:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BFD56D.F0937390.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: loop music in cologne/germany Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:13:48 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com a loop music gig in cologne/germany: "starscapes & groove" leander reininghaus (guitar) markus reuter (warr guitar) gregor arz (grooves) location: artparty at the 'mixpickles in art' finissage, khd-hallen time: june 17, 10 pm hotline: 0221-9232999 = michael peters = electronic music & strange attractors = http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From aurisis Tue Jun 13 13:40:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05770 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:40:35 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05766 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:40:35 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20576; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:30:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:30:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:19:22 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, improv@peak.org Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 or Boomerang? Resent-Message-ID: <"QjpJP1.0.yl4.TscHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dave Trenkel wrote... > The Boomerang isn't as hi-fi as the Line 6, but it sounds better than the specs should warrant. Audio quality is changing with the new ROM upgrade as well... I believe Michael from B-Rang has said it will be a lot crisper. There's a sacrifice in available looping time... the current times are 2 min / 4 min... with the new ROM upgrade it will be... aw hell! Here's all the boilerplate on the new upgrade courtesy of Mike Nelson at Boomerang. Best to all... -Miko * The new Boomerang Phrase Sampler V2.0 software will have 2 independent loops with a couple of modes for transitioning between them. One mode, called AB1, smoothly transitions to loop B, plays it once, then goes back to playing loop A, all with one button press. * A higher sample rate has been added; original max was 16KHz, new max rate is 24KHz. This drops the sample time to 1 min 27 sec. While it's not CD quality, it's a lot crisper. * The stack button can be programmed to be either latching or momentary. * You can go directly from recording to stacking. Press record to start recording, then press stack to conclude recording and enter stack (overdub) mode. * There are 7 selectable decay rates. On the original the decay rate was fixed at about 2.3dB. The rates are as follows: 1 is no decay, 2 is the original rate (about 20-25 repeats), 3-6 are progressively quicker decays and are great when using the Rang as a pure delay, and 7 is slapback (1 repeat). The new decay rates & latching stack button make the Rang a great sounding digital delay with tap tempo. The foot roller becomes the delay level when used like this. * The record button can be programmed to behave as it does now or be disabled during playback. Some folks didn't want to worry about hitting it while adjusting the foot roller. * The half speed concept has been replaced by slow speed, and you have your choice of five. All are musically related to "normal" speed. The choices are down a 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th or octave. The pitch drops and the playback is slowed like the current software going to half speed. * This one is small, but an improvement. Originally, if you pressed once, the next press of play(stop) would stop the loop. Now you can transition between "continuous" play and play once mode. Confusing? Here's what you can do that you couldn't before. Start an existing loop with several stutters or re-starts and then smoothly transition into playing the loop repeatedly. * There are improvements on clicks that occasionally occur at loop boundaries, particularly when using the Rang in continuous reverse mode (live reverse lead mode). * And finally, we completed the button behavior. For example, in the original, if you were stacking, the reverse button didn't do anything. This and all other basic scenarios are fixed. Now you can be stacking additional parts and freely reverse direction. All the new features are ADDITIONS. That is, no original features, even the lower sampling rates, have been omitted or replaced. The once button shares duty as the loop A/B button. The reverse or stack buttons are held down to enter program mode. -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax From aurisis Tue Jun 13 13:54:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06132 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:54:36 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06128 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:54:36 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23012; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:50:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:50:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: Subject: EDP Repairs Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:33:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" From: Hans Lindauer Resent-Message-ID: <"-yIKs1.0.XA5.M5dHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Howdy all- Does anybody have an idea as to the current turnaround time on EDP repairs? I bought a used one two months ago and discovered that it was defective, so the shop sent it in for repair. The thing would work for fifteen minutes just fine, and then the Undo would activate Record. Which is fine if you never make a mistake... I figure it's been at the EDP repair facility for about a month now, and I'm getting kind of antsy. Hans Lindauer Engineer, Music Man R&D Ernie Ball, Inc. hans@ernieball.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 13 13:56:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05995; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:51:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:51:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3946EF67.18243D3E@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:35:19 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: [GIG] Mathias Grob & Claude Voit in Switzerland References: <39467741.B207A040@vtx.ch> <3946617C.B71EDCB6@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jim Poppen wrote: > > Can you guys record your perfomance and post mp3's to some website??? > I'd bet there are many who would love to hear it. > > Pretty please! :-) > > Jim Sorry our lawyers couldnt agree with our respective recording companies to do such we'll see if we can find some pseudo names to do it for the underworld later C:-)laude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 13 13:56:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06003; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:52:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:52:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3946EF5E.6858DE2F@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:35:10 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: EDP Repairs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sorry you didnt see this before http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#Anchor-17304 your repair facility (if its not Gibson) would probably like this info too Good luck claude and here is another quote of Kim for some other thermal problem the plexis can have (didnt make the mod yet....) Kim Flint wrote ************************** If you are comfortable with a soldering iron and a bit of tinkering, I have a good suggestion that should fix the problem. Oberheim has been doing this on all new units for the past year or so, and it really is a nice improvement. The basic problem is heat in that part where we cut the pin (U12, the ADC0804). When it gets too hot it causes this odd error with reading the Undo switch. That particular pin was connected wrong in the original design and caused the part to get hot much faster and cause this error, so cutting the pin usually fixes the problem. However, it's still possible for the part to screw up if it gets hot enough. Older units had some parts which ran very hot, and tended to overheat the whole unit if the ventilation wasn't good or it was a particularly hot day. (since it's summer, this could be your trouble.) The worst offenders are the two linear +5V regulators for the digital circuitry, U28 and U40, which you will find at the back, screwed to a heat sink and the chassis. It turns out there are replacements for these parts which generate practically no heat at all, making the whole situation much better. So we can swap these in and you should be a happy looper with a room temperature echoplex! These parts were considered too costly for use in the original production echoplexes, but are not really all that expensive. Later, they decided it was worth it to use them so customers wouldn't have these problems, a smart decision! We can change the two +5V linear regulators to switching regulators. In Digikey there is a great part for this, the Power Trends (http://www.powertrends.com/) PT5101N 5V switching regulator. You can actually use one of these to replace both of the linear regulators, and it works just fine. (I've had a unit using one of these for years.) You need to take the PCB out of the chassis to do it. What you want to do is unscrew the regulators from the chassis and the heatsink. Desolder and remove both U28 and U40, the linear regs. Take the heat sink out altogether since it will be in the way, and you won't need it anymore. Solder the PT5101 into one of the regulator spots (the left one is a good choice). The PT5101 is pin compatible with the linear regs, so there should be no trouble with that. Now solder a wire from it's output pin (pin 3, on the right when looking at the front of the part) to the output hole (pin 3 again) for the other regulator location. This way the PT5101 will be supplying power for both the +5V rails the old regulators powered. Now power it up and make sure it works! You should see it runs practically at room temperature now, and hopefully that cures the trouble. ************************** Hans Lindauer wrote: > > Howdy all- > > Does anybody have an idea as to the current turnaround time on EDP repairs? > I bought a used one two months ago and discovered that it was defective, so > the shop sent it in for repair. The thing would work for fifteen minutes > just fine, and then the Undo would activate Record. Which is fine if you > never make a mistake... I figure it's been at the EDP repair facility for > about a month now, and I'm getting kind of antsy. > > Hans Lindauer > Engineer, Music Man R&D > Ernie Ball, Inc. > hans@ernieball.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 13 13:56:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06030; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:53:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:53:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "future perfect" To: Subject: RE: Line 6 DL4 or Boomerang? Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:51:19 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > Dave Trenkel wrote... > > The Boomerang isn't as hi-fi as the Line 6, but it sounds better > than the specs should warrant. > > > * The half speed concept has been replaced by slow speed, and you > have your choice of five. All are musically related to "normal" speed. > The choices are down a 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th or octave. The pitch drops > and the playback is slowed like the current software going to half > speed. Wow! What a great idea. Knowing that Kim is working on the EDP Upgrade as well, which I believe will include a 1/2 speed option, another feature I would vote for are more 'musical' speeds, like above. Hey, I can dream, can't I? Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/dave From aurisis Tue Jun 13 14:11:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06452 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:11:04 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06448 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:11:04 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24722; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:07:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:07:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:26:46 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: a place for Echoplex repair? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"9n-of2.0.iP5.uCdHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 7:18 AM -0700 6/13/00, Eric Leonardson wrote: >TimesI'm having trouble >with >my Echoplex Digital Pro and it looks like a problem that needs >professional attention. Can anyone on the list recommend a place for >Echoplex repair in the U.S.? > Gibson has a service person for the echoplex who does a very good job: Shane Radtke , 1-800-544-2766 x206 or (847) 741-7315 x206 he is the best person to call. >BTW, before posting this question to the list, I looked for an answer >in the Loopers' Delight links and FAQ, and also the archives, but >didn't find the answer. actually, the info you want is on the main echoplex page, right at the top. :-) Maybe I should bury it down deep someplace for people who like to go digging for things. :-) http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html >I don't have my manual here at this time, and >realize the answer is probably in there. But, reading the Loopers' >Delight list made me wonder if Gibson may have sold off their >production of Oberheim stuff to another company. So I thought I'd go >ahead and post... no, Gibson is shipping echoplexes and making more at their Trace-Elliot division in the UK. They seem to be quite committed to it. The rest of the Oberheim stuff they stopped because it was losing money. >Here's some background info on the problem: > > >Initially, I thought problem was a bad REC button on the foot >controller. However, pressing REC on the unit itself results in the >same problem: it records for only a moment, a 0.16, or 0.24 second >sample. The display flashes a "ooo" before it stops recording. At first >that was a transitory event, now it's consistent and all the other >functions are malfunctioning, as well. you might try resetting the parameters, in case it is a setting you aren't familiar with. (although it doesn't sound like it to me from your description.) Hold param button down at power up, until the boot up is finished. It could be one of the sync jacks is broken. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 13 14:16:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06506; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:13:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:13:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001bfd563$1760ed50$53c6c7cf@stevelaptop> From: "Steve Rudolph" To: References: Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 or Boomerang? Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:13:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I planned on buying a Boomerang by the end of this week until I saw this. When are the v2.0 pedals coming out? Will the old ones be upgradeable? -Loopless Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Biffle" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 or Boomerang? > Dave Trenkel wrote... > > The Boomerang isn't as hi-fi as the Line 6, but it sounds better > than the specs should warrant. > > Audio quality is changing with the new ROM upgrade as well... I > believe Michael from B-Rang has said it will be a lot crisper. There's > a sacrifice in available looping time... the current times are 2 min / > 4 min... with the new ROM upgrade it will be... aw hell! Here's all > the boilerplate on the new upgrade courtesy of Mike Nelson at > Boomerang. > > Best to all... > -Miko > > * The new Boomerang Phrase Sampler V2.0 software will have 2 > independent loops with a couple of modes for transitioning between > them. One mode, called AB1, smoothly transitions to loop B, plays it > once, then goes back to playing loop A, all with one button press. > > * A higher sample rate has been added; original max was 16KHz, new > max rate is 24KHz. This drops the sample time to 1 min 27 sec. While > it's not CD quality, it's a lot crisper. > > * The stack button can be programmed to be either latching or > momentary. > > * You can go directly from recording to stacking. Press record to > start recording, then press stack to conclude recording and enter > stack (overdub) mode. > > * There are 7 selectable decay rates. On the original the decay rate > was fixed at about 2.3dB. The rates are as follows: 1 is no decay, 2 > is the original rate (about 20-25 repeats), 3-6 are progressively > quicker decays and are great when using the Rang as a pure delay, and > 7 is slapback (1 repeat). The new decay rates & latching stack button > make the Rang a great sounding digital delay with tap tempo. The foot > roller becomes the delay level when used like this. > > * The record button can be programmed to behave as it does now or be > disabled during playback. Some folks didn't want to worry about > hitting it while adjusting the foot roller. > > * The half speed concept has been replaced by slow speed, and you > have your choice of five. All are musically related to "normal" speed. > The choices are down a 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th or octave. The pitch drops > and the playback is slowed like the current software going to half > speed. > > * This one is small, but an improvement. Originally, if you pressed > once, the next press of play(stop) would stop the loop. Now you can > transition between "continuous" play and play once mode. Confusing? > Here's what you can do that you couldn't before. Start an existing > loop with several stutters or re-starts and then smoothly transition > into playing the loop repeatedly. > > * There are improvements on clicks that occasionally occur at loop > boundaries, particularly when using the Rang in continuous reverse > mode (live reverse lead mode). > > * And finally, we completed the button behavior. For example, in the > original, if you were stacking, the reverse button didn't do anything. > This and all other basic scenarios are fixed. Now you can be stacking > additional parts and freely reverse direction. All the new features > are ADDITIONS. That is, no original features, even the lower sampling > rates, have been omitted or replaced. The once button shares duty as > the loop A/B button. The reverse or stack buttons are held down to > enter program mode. > > -- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 > 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax > From aurisis Tue Jun 13 14:24:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06793 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:24:03 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06789 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:24:03 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26833; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:19:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:19:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004101bfd560$558c54a0$4e4be0d5@pandora.be> From: "soundmind" To: Subject: DL4 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:53:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003E_01BFD571.18F392E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"5Md4v.0.is5.IQdHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BFD571.18F392E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I bought a DL4 two weeks ago and absolutely love it. Sure I'd like an = Eventide or TC, but I just can't afford that. Does anybody know if it's possible to sync the thing to a seq? BTW, any loopers in Belgium? ta, Jan Geerts ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BFD571.18F392E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
I bought a DL4 two = weeks ago and=20 absolutely love it.  Sure I'd like an Eventide or TC, but I just = can't=20 afford that.
Does anybody know if = it's possible=20 to sync the thing to a seq?
BTW, any loopers in=20 Belgium?
 
ta,
 
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------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BFD571.18F392E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 13 14:35:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06911; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:32:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:32:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: tgoodman@zebra.net Message-Id: <200006131837.e5DIbxw24375@smtp.zebra.net> X-Authentication-Warning: smtp.zebra.net: Host www.zebra.net [208.5.19.4] claimed to be Debug To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EDP Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:29:42 US/Central X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Resent-Message-ID: <2BCi_D.A.crB.g3nR5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've decided I can't live without an EDP and am trying to find one. I called Alto Music and they have a great price but because of their waiting list it sounds like it may be fall before I can get one from them (no kidding). I called Bananas and they are expecting the EDP's in sooner but are about $200 higher than Alto. Can someone give me some more options on where to buy this thing? Thanks. From aurisis Tue Jun 13 15:43:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07153 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:43:01 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07149 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:43:01 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27842; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:39:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:39:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:28:20 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, spr@home.com Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 or Boomerang? Resent-Message-ID: <"SgWwZ2.0.p15.ojeHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Steve... The upgrade should be a simple ROM chip swap, unless I'm seriously off track here. Should be quite easy with basic instructions. I'm sure Mike Nelson will post SOON about the details of how to make the upgrade. I'll emphasise now that I'm NOT affiliated with Boomerang, and only make these statements based on what Mike Nelson has told me, as well as the rest of the group in the past. Pretty good promo from an EDP user and owner eh? I've never used a 'Rang! Maybe I'll be getting one though for my "floor only" setup. Best, -Miko >>> "Steve Rudolph" 06/13 11:12 AM >>> > Well, I planned on buying a Boomerang by the end of this week until I saw this. When are the v2.0 pedals coming out? Will the old ones be upgradeable? > -Loopless Steve From aurisis Tue Jun 13 15:48:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07170 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:48:47 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07166 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:48:43 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30408; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:43:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:43:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:20:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 or Boomerang? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: unitcirc@keys.com Resent-Message-ID: <"UR2uC2.0.0D4.EceHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I've got both and really like both, so I can give you a pretty upright comparison. The answer is that it depends on your need. I've had the boomerang for a few years now and it is still a vital piece of gear for me. I use it to create long looping atmospheres, which it does a great job for. I also use the live reverse thing quite a bit. It's a snap to use and even though a lot of people complain about it's sound quality, it's never bothered me at all. If you're looking for long loop times, that's your best bet. I can't wait for the new chipset! I really like the DL4 because of it's versatility. I use it as both a delay or a looper (and will switch between it's functions during a song). It isn't as easy to use as the boomerang, but given it's other capabilities (love the expression pedal), it's also a strong choice. I wouldn't recommend it solely as a looper unless you don't need very long loop times, but if you don't have a lot of gear and want the most bang for your buck, the DL4 wins in that regard. Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ On Tue, 13 Jun 2000, Will & Gemma McCoy wrote: > Hello, > > Im wondering which is the best inexpensive looper---The Line 6 DL4 or the > Boomerang? Any advice would be helpful. Thanks. > > Will > From aurisis Tue Jun 13 15:54:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07188 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:54:25 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07184 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:54:25 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15123; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:23:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:23:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000d01bfd54a$a5a45610$02b4f9d0@mecasw.com> From: "Ken M" To: References: Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 or Boomerang? Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:18:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"evfU_3.0.A62.bzaHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I personally love my DL-4, but the boomerang has a great rep... Check out Harmony Central's user feedback. http://www.harmony-central.com Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will & Gemma McCoy" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 3:43 AM Subject: Line 6 DL4 or Boomerang? > Hello, > > Im wondering which is the best inexpensive looper---The Line 6 DL4 or the > Boomerang? Any advice would be helpful. Thanks. > > Will > From aurisis Tue Jun 13 16:19:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07310 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:19:20 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07306 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:19:19 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24879; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:14:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:14:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:11:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 or Boomerang? Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, improv@peak.org Resent-Message-ID: <"E_u-k.0.f34.cEfHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:19 AM 6/13/00, Mike Biffle wrote: > >* The new Boomerang Phrase Sampler V2.0 software will have 2 >independent loops with a couple of modes for transitioning between >them. One mode, called AB1, smoothly transitions to loop B, plays it >once, then goes back to playing loop A, all with one button press. Wow, this looks very cool! > >* A higher sample rate has been added; original max was 16KHz, new >max rate is 24KHz. This drops the sample time to 1 min 27 sec. While >it's not CD quality, it's a lot crisper. You mean I only can do 1 and a half minute loops! On NO! (actually, I don't think I've ever made a loop on the Boomie longer than a minute, and usually they're just a few bars) > >* The stack button can be programmed to be either latching or >momentary. This is COOL! I have a few tricks that I do with the Boomie that depend on the momentary stack button, but generally when layering stuff, a latching switch would be better. Making the switch user-configurable is great! > >* You can go directly from recording to stacking. Press record to >start recording, then press stack to conclude recording and enter >stack (overdub) mode. Again, very cool! > >* There are 7 selectable decay rates. On the original the decay rate >was fixed at about 2.3dB. The rates are as follows: 1 is no decay, 2 >is the original rate (about 20-25 repeats), 3-6 are progressively >quicker decays and are great when using the Rang as a pure delay, and >7 is slapback (1 repeat). The new decay rates & latching stack button >make the Rang a great sounding digital delay with tap tempo. The foot >roller becomes the delay level when used like this. Wow, yet another extremely cool feature! Now I can't wait for the upgrade! Mike, Mike, can you hear me???? > >* The record button can be programmed to behave as it does now or be >disabled during playback. Some folks didn't want to worry about >hitting it while adjusting the foot roller. > >* The half speed concept has been replaced by slow speed, and you >have your choice of five. All are musically related to "normal" speed. >The choices are down a 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th or octave. The pitch drops >and the playback is slowed like the current software going to half >speed. Oh man! I guess I'm glad I didn't see this the first time it was posted, then I'd've gotten all excited over the upgrade long ago. This is just too cool> > >* This one is small, but an improvement. Originally, if you pressed >once, the next press of play(stop) would stop the loop. Now you can >transition between "continuous" play and play once mode. Confusing? >Here's what you can do that you couldn't before. Start an existing >loop with several stutters or re-starts and then smoothly transition >into playing the loop repeatedly. Actually, this makes total sense to me, and I can absolutely see using it! > >* There are improvements on clicks that occasionally occur at loop >boundaries, particularly when using the Rang in continuous reverse >mode (live reverse lead mode). > >* And finally, we completed the button behavior. For example, in the >original, if you were stacking, the reverse button didn't do anything. >This and all other basic scenarios are fixed. Now you can be stacking >additional parts and freely reverse direction. All the new features >are ADDITIONS. That is, no original features, even the lower sampling >rates, have been omitted or replaced. The once button shares duty as >the loop A/B button. The reverse or stack buttons are held down to >enter program mode. > >-- Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 >214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax Wow, all I can say is that it looks like the Boomie is taking a serious step up in capabilities. I really can't wait for the ROMS to be made availble! ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From aurisis Tue Jun 13 16:29:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07334 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:29:10 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07330 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:29:09 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31814; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:25:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:25:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3946962D.2440A55F@minds-eye.org> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:14:37 -0400 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Potentially redundent looping question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"00Bz92.0.E16.lOfHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm sorry if this is a obvious question I should just check the archives for but, Are any of the current loopers (Boomerang, EDP, Lexicon, etc.) capable of opening the loop and having it decay away incrementally (like the old Digitech pedals that used a hold button on the delay)? Is this one of the upgrades on the Boomerang? I have a DL4 and a couple of Zooms and such and they all seem kind of abrupt when you want to exit the loop. Once again, apologies if this is something that should be painfully obvious or has been answered many times over. Many thanks Kevin CC From aurisis Tue Jun 13 16:47:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07354 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:47:40 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07350 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:47:40 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11751; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:43:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:43:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <200006132024.PAA13469@supermail.globaldialog.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:16:32 -0500 Subject: Please unsubscribe From: "Mike" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mzvQ_.0.Le7.uXfHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Please unsubscribe me from your list. Mike Scheibinger Sound Development Manager Sonic Foundry 754 Williamson Street Madison, Wisconsin 53703 Telephone: (608) 256-3133, extension 2125 Fax: (608) 256-7300 Email: mikes@sonicfoundry.com CHECK THIS OUT! LAGOM: Soundscapes ---------- >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | > > From aurisis Tue Jun 13 17:46:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07419 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:46:06 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07415 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:46:06 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16961; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:41:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:41:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3946A829.57C64C1B@tstar.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:31:22 -0500 From: Sir Matthew Turner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Please unsubscribe References: <200006132024.PAA13469@supermail.globaldialog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1s-bR.0.qi2.GWgHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It helps if you scream "Please unsubscribe me from your goddamn motherfucking list you fucking bastards!" Oh wait... That's the cure for colon cancer. Nevermind. Mike wrote: > Please unsubscribe me from your list. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 13 17:54:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07536; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:50:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:50:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000613214655.43314.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.70.103.247] From: "Shadow Chaser" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Please unsubscribe Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:46:55 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what are u talking about? >From: Sir Matthew Turner >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Please unsubscribe >Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:31:22 -0500 > > > > >It helps if you scream "Please unsubscribe me from your goddamn >motherfucking list you fucking bastards!" >Oh wait... That's the cure for colon cancer. >Nevermind. > >Mike wrote: > > > Please unsubscribe me from your list. > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From aurisis Tue Jun 13 18:28:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07725 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:28:10 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07721 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:28:10 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08809; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:25:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:25:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:11:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: MinusPlus Gig Spam Resent-Message-ID: <"nmoKS2.0._26.k-gHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, once again, Dave is using the looplist for self-promotion. Sigh. Anyway, since we are playing outside of our normal mossy Oregon backwoods home, and actually collaborating with another looping musician, I thought this might be of interest. There will probably be at least 3 JamMen, a Boomerang, a DL-6, and some pretty loopy individuals manipulating them. MinusPlus is Mark France (guitar, vocals), Dave Trenkel (bass, groovebox, Nord Modular, looping devices) and Henry Franzoni (drums), AKA Minus, joined by Seattle-based bass wizard Fred Chalenor, on various acoustic and electric basses, Chapman Stick, and electronics. Fred has been a long-term participant in the NW creative/progressive/improv/weirdo music scene, having played with Hughscore, Land, Radio Chongching, Zony Mash, Pigpen, and many other bands. Fred and Henry have collaborated for over 20 years, in such bands as Face Ditch, the Tone Dogs, and Caveman Shoestore. MinusPlus first came together in Seattle's Gravelvoice Studio for an improvised recording session in April, but this weekend will be MinusPlus' first live performances: Friday, June 16th, MinusPlus, at Mr. Spots Chai House, 2213 Market (in Ballard), Seattle. Monday, June 19th, SIL2K presents MinusPlus / Steve Barsotti / inscrutable-d (Dave Knott), Seattle, I-Spy, 1921 Fifth Ave. (alley entrance), 9 pm, $5. And, for the Oregon contingent on the list, look for MinusPlus performances in OR in July. Also, check out our MP3.com site (www.mp3.com/-minus-) for three new tunes from Minus' upcoming CD! ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 13 19:06:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07836; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:01:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:01:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:59:44 EDT Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 or Boomerang? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: <8iH45D.A.45B.E0rR5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 00-06-13 13:30:11 EDT, you write: << Here's all the boilerplate on the new upgrade courtesy of Mike Nelson at Boomerang. >> oh heart be still!......................michael From aurisis Tue Jun 13 19:07:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07963 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:07:44 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07959 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:07:44 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09930; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:04:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:04:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <012a01bfd589$31e48940$6a310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <200006132024.PAA13469@supermail.globaldialog.com> <3946A829.57C64C1B@tstar.net> Subject: Re: Please unsubscribe Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:46:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"QYugb1.0.CB6.2ZhHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com No, no, no. The magic words are: "I'm such a fucking idiot, please unsubscribe me from the list." (repeat several times) ;) Final cadence: "I don't know how to read the fucking instructions." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sir Matthew Turner" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 5:31 PM Subject: Re: Please unsubscribe > > > > It helps if you scream "Please unsubscribe me from your goddamn > motherfucking list you fucking bastards!" > Oh wait... That's the cure for colon cancer. > Nevermind. > > Mike wrote: > > > Please unsubscribe me from your list. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 13 19:57:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08112; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:49:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:49:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000613234710.72375.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.77] From: "Greg" To: References: <200006132024.PAA13469@supermail.globaldialog.com> <3946A829.57C64C1B@tstar.net> <012a01bfd589$31e48940$6a310140@concentric.net> Subject: Re: Please unsubscribe Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:46:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > From: > To: > No, no, no. The magic words are: > > " from the list." Man, you guys are harsh today. I guess nobody's hoping for a Looper's Delight discount or any other support on Sonic Foundry goods.... From aurisis Tue Jun 13 20:33:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08330 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:33:43 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08326 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:33:43 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04998; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:29:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:29:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005501bfd623$d5cacb60$c08909d2@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron" To: References: Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 or Boomerang? Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:13:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"Dl9F_1.0.0j4.OriHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you want something cheap and nasty, try the Akia HeadRush. It has a undo button. A great first time looping tool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Will & Gemma McCoy To: Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 12:43 AM Subject: Line 6 DL4 or Boomerang? > Hello, > > Im wondering which is the best inexpensive looper---The Line 6 DL4 or the > Boomerang? Any advice would be helpful. Thanks. > > Will > > From aurisis Tue Jun 13 21:28:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08463 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:28:40 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08459 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:28:40 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07389; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:21:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:21:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <002301bfd59a$69794ba0$8bda44d1@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <200006132024.PAA13469@supermail.globaldialog.com> <3946A829.57C64C1B@tstar.net> <012a01bfd589$31e48940$6a310140@concentric.net> <20000613234710.72375.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Dual pedal control on EDP; also wish list Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:49:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <"5wFMM.0.Cv4.VRjHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi guys--Just got finished putting the EDP in my solo rack for the first time--first official gig with it is tomorrow morning, so I put everything together in anticipation. This was the first time I tried using my PMC-10 to control the new looper (I was using a Jamman), so I had to write new patches. The second patch I did was MIDI volume control, and WOW! More control than ever! As a guitarist, having two volume pedals, one for volume of the loopage and one for feedback is almost critical! Is there any way you could have a soft toggle on the overdub jack and hook a volume pedal up there for volume control? This is less important for me, but it might be something to consider (since you're working on an upgrade anyway). Maybe the jack could recognize whether it's a pedal or a footswitch and respond accordingly? Food for thought, Gary PS Rah rah rah, Go EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 13 21:40:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08510; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:37:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:37:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.720f833.26783b9d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:36:29 EDT Subject: Re: Please unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: <2AvquC.A.pEC.-GuR5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com " from the list." Looped over and over this line would have a cool groove to it. From aurisis Tue Jun 13 22:36:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08747 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:36:36 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08743 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:36:35 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05811; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:33:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:33:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <200006140211.VAA16436@supermail.globaldialog.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:01:58 -0500 Subject: Re: Please unsubscribe From: "Mike" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qLN1h3.0.It.xckHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I apologize for the noise. Mike's idot wife wrote: Please unsubscribe.... after Mike abandoned this mailbox jammed with 2409 e-mails from every "goddamn motherfucking list" and music e-group there is. The mail spigot's full on and overflowing and as a result, I can't use my own mailbox. The magic words aren't working... so where are these fucking instructions? ---------- >From: "Larry Tremblay" >To: >Subject: Re: Please unsubscribe >Date: Tue, Jun 13, 2000, 5:46 PM > >No, no, no. The magic words are: > >"I'm such a fucking idiot, please unsubscribe me >from the list." (repeat several times) ;) > >Final cadence: "I don't know how to read the fucking instructions." > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sir Matthew Turner" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 5:31 PM >Subject: Re: Please unsubscribe > > >> >> >> >> It helps if you scream "Please unsubscribe me from your goddamn >> motherfucking list you fucking bastards!" >> Oh wait... That's the cure for colon cancer. >> Nevermind. >> >> Mike wrote: >> >> > Please unsubscribe me from your list. >> >> > From aurisis Tue Jun 13 23:12:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08870 for looparc@annihilist.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:12:03 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08866 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:12:03 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27795; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:09:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:09:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000613224312.00966360@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: floyd@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:44:47 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: Please unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <200006140211.VAA16436@supermail.globaldialog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <"Lnlwu2.0.CA2.D6lHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For crying out loud. This looper-slist seems to have been taken over by a bunch of wise guys. What? Did a whole bunch of you just rent that movie and now you can't keep from talking like that? Come on. Knock it off, you knuckleheads, I mean it! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 13 23:49:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08965; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:46:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:46:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401bfd5b3$38367ae0$ce4856d1@fuzzbox> From: "c.white" To: References: <200006140211.VAA16436@supermail.globaldialog.com> Subject: Re: Please unsubscribe Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:47:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com we need to chill holy jesus! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 10:01 PM Subject: Re: Please unsubscribe > I apologize for the noise. > Mike's idot wife wrote: Please unsubscribe.... after Mike abandoned this > mailbox jammed with 2409 e-mails from every "goddamn motherfucking list" and > music e-group there is. The mail spigot's full on and overflowing and as a > result, I can't use my own mailbox. > The magic words aren't working... so where are these fucking instructions? > ---------- > >From: "Larry Tremblay" > >To: > >Subject: Re: Please unsubscribe > >Date: Tue, Jun 13, 2000, 5:46 PM > > > > >No, no, no. The magic words are: > > > >"I'm such a fucking idiot, please unsubscribe me > >from the list." (repeat several times) ;) > > > >Final cadence: "I don't know how to read the fucking instructions." > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Sir Matthew Turner" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 5:31 PM > >Subject: Re: Please unsubscribe > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> It helps if you scream "Please unsubscribe me from your goddamn > >> motherfucking list you fucking bastards!" > >> Oh wait... That's the cure for colon cancer. > >> Nevermind. > >> > >> Mike wrote: > >> > >> > Please unsubscribe me from your list. > >> > >> > > > From aurisis Wed Jun 14 00:03:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from aurisis@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09093 for looparc@annihilist.com; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:03:45 -0400 Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com (rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09089 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:03:45 -0400 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02079; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:00:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:00:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <014b01bfd5b4$da642910$6a310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <200006140211.VAA16436@supermail.globaldialog.com> Subject: Re: Please unsubscribe Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:58:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <"FX2QI2.0.2b7._7mHv"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK. Here's how to unsub: To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe" in the Subject line to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Or click here: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com?Subject=unsubscribe (It should work in both Microsoft or Netscape) Note the the address is different than the normal list address, e.g. ( NOT Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com ) - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 10:01 PM Subject: Re: Please unsubscribe > I apologize for the noise. > Mike's idot wife wrote: Please unsubscribe.... after Mike abandoned this > mailbox jammed with 2409 e-mails from every "goddamn motherfucking list" and > music e-group there is. The mail spigot's full on and overflowing and as a > result, I can't use my own mailbox. > The magic words aren't working... so where are these fucking instructions? > ---------- > >From: "Larry Tremblay" > >To: > >Subject: Re: Please unsubscribe > >Date: Tue, Jun 13, 2000, 5:46 PM > > > > >No, no, no. The magic words are: > > > >"I'm such a fucking idiot, please unsubscribe me > >from the list." (repeat several times) ;) > > > >Final cadence: "I don't know how to read the fucking instructions." > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Sir Matthew Turner" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 5:31 PM > >Subject: Re: Please unsubscribe > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> It helps if you scream "Please unsubscribe me from your goddamn > >> motherfucking list you fucking bastards!" > >> Oh wait... That's the cure for colon cancer. > >> Nevermind. > >> > >> Mike wrote: > >> > >> > Please unsubscribe me from your list. > >> > >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 14 02:21:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA09370; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 02:18:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 02:18:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3947234A.6CF70087@inreach.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:16:44 -0700 From: eric X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: OT: laptop audio References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com is the OT convention acceptable on this list? pardon me if i'm out of line - this is Off Topic, but there's such a wide variety of folks here i though i'd ask. has anyone used a VXPocket card http://www.digigram.com/products/VXpocket.html or somthing similar with a powerbook? (it's a soundcard that can fit into the PC Card slot on the side of the machine - methinks) If i can make it work, then i can run all kinds of audio looping programs from my powerbook AND have it be studio quality sound as well. There! I related it to looping. Thanks for any feedback. eric o. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 14 04:52:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09882; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:49:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:49:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006901bfd5dd$59413e80$737ee383@eihms.surrey.ac.uk> Reply-To: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" From: "Michael P. Hughes, PhD" To: Claude voit , Loopers-Delight References: <39467741.B207A040@vtx.ch> Subject: Re: [GIG] Mathias Grob & Claude Voit in Switzerland Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:48:40 +0100 Organization: University of Surrey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ...wow! Please pass on my regards to Matthias, whom I had the pleasure of meeting last Friday at Trace-Elliot. Watching him demo the EDP was a remarkable experience; getting the free gig was even better! :) Mike Hughes University of Surrey From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 14 10:11:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11042; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:07:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:07:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801bfd609$ed1b43e0$ee0a4cd5@Win98> From: "hefi" To: Subject: Problems with Oberheim Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:29:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BFD586.CEC64EE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BFD586.CEC64EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, = = =20 During my very important last concert, my EDP emited an appaling crack! = After few minutes of using four loops, when I was using the loop nr one, = on the unit's dysplay there was showed "0" and all loops desappeard. It = was completely hopeless-pressing all buttons on my footpedal and main = unit, there was no respond and the display still showed "0" .Only after = reswitched " on and off" devce stearted to work .=20 For some time, and recently even always, the loops I recorded are = accompanying with very loud noise ( such like digital rubbish) . = Especialy third and fourth loop and recently even second one are full = of these noises. =20 Kim Flint recomended to clean the connections up or remove the Simms.=20 After Kim's advice I cleaned the conectoins but the problem (noises) = still existed. When I replaced the Simms problem disappeared but only = for some time.I tried various combinations of Simms to find out which = one is bad, unfortunately the noises appear at all Simms (even at these = original from Oberheim - 4x1MG). The third "red"display the bottom line = of the digit eight does not light. May it have some connection with = these noises or it means that something else does not work propely. Pleas help me ! Has anyone else ever got the similar problem . = desperate Hefi hefi@go2.pl ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BFD586.CEC64EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hi,=20             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;        
During my very important last = concert,=20 my EDP emited an appaling crack! After few minutes of using = four=20 loops, when I was using the loop nr one, on the unit's = dysplay there was=20 showed "0" and all loops desappeard. It was completely = hopeless-pressing=20 all buttons  on my footpedal and main unit, there was no respond = and the=20 display still showed "0" .Only after reswitched " on and=20 off"  devce stearted to work . 
For some time, and recently even = always, the=20 loops I recorded are accompanying with  very loud noise ( such like = digital=20 rubbish) . Especialy third and fourth  loop and recently even = second=20 one  are full of these noises.   
 Kim Flint recomended = to clean=20 the connections up or remove the Simms. 
  After Kim's advice I = cleaned the=20 conectoins but the problem (noises) still existed. When I replaced the = Simms=20 problem disappeared but only for some time.I tried various combinations = of Simms=20 to find out which one is bad, unfortunately the noises appear at = all Simms=20 (even at these original from Oberheim - 4x1MG). The third "red"display = the=20 bottom line of the digit eight does not light. May it have some = connection=20 with these noises or it means that something else does not work=20 propely.
 Pleas help me !  Has = anyone else=20 ever got the similar problem .
          &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =   desperate Hefi hefi@go2.pl
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BFD586.CEC64EE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 14 10:39:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11351; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:36:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:36:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:33:43 -0700 From: "sock s" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: sop@n2mail.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Can KYMA Capybara be used as a MIDI Sequencer? X-Sender-Ip: 216.90.139.179 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Can Capybara be used/programmed as a (very flexible) MIDI Sequencer? What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 14 11:16:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11566; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:11:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:11:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F90D9953@mail.davitt-hanser.com> From: Todd Quincy To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Problems with Oberheim Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:11:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA11523 Resent-Message-ID: <2MdfHC.A.O0C.1A6R5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I believe I am in the early stages of this problem as well. Occasionally, (starting 45 days ago), my loops will record "dirty." It's very random, so much so that I've always dismissed the trouble as a third party problem that i was unaware of (eg; lights, dimmer switches). Since the problem only happens when I record I deduced the problem could be in the SIMMS. I plan to change them at the end of my next ( set of gigs (Thanks Shane!), but I'm scared to death to touch it before this weekend. Any clue as to what woes that may be before me? My plex is now my style, without it I might as well play drums. Yes, I'm dependent on a machine, but affording a "spare" is pretty tough. I will say this my jammen were very limited and 1/10 the machine an echoplex is, but is was very reliable. I bought my plex used from a confused seller one year ago, but without a warranty i'm starting to get worried. Todd Quincy BC Rich, Kustom, D&H tquincy@sayhhi.com > -----Original Message----- > From: hefi [SMTP:hefi@go2.pl] > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 4:29 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Problems with Oberheim > >     Hi, >                                                                        >                                                                        >                             > During my very important last concert, my EDP emited an appaling > crack! After few minutes of using four loops, when I was using the > loop nr one, on the unit's dysplay there was showed "0" and all loops > desappeard. It was completely hopeless-pressing all buttons  on my > footpedal and main unit, there was no respond and the display still > showed "0" .Only after reswitched " on and off"  devce stearted to > work .  > For some time, and recently even always, the loops I recorded are > accompanying with  very loud noise ( such like digital rubbish) . > Especialy third and fourth  loop and recently even second one  are > full of these noises.    >  Kim Flint recomended to clean the connections up or remove > the Simms.  >   After Kim's advice I cleaned the conectoins but the problem (noises) > still existed. When I replaced the Simms problem disappeared but only > for some time.I tried various combinations of Simms to find out which > one is bad, unfortunately the noises appear at all Simms (even at > these original from Oberheim - 4x1MG). The third "red"display the > bottom line of the digit eight does not light. May it have some > connection with these noises or it means that something else does not > work propely. >  Pleas help me !  Has anyone else ever got the similar problem . >                                                                        >                                         desperate Hefi hefi@go2.pl > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 14 11:16:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11629; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:13:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:13:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <031f01bfd612$f4fc6400$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Can KYMA Capybara be used as a MIDI Sequencer? Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:12:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Disclaimer: I'm a Kyma owner but not a MIDI sequencer owner. Kyma is deep and highly customizable. So here's my answer based on my knowledge/experience with the standard Kyma facilities. Mileage may vary. The concise answer is: no. The more exact answer is: maybe, depending on what you want to do. The Kyma/Capybara is incredibly flexible in responding to MIDI. And much less flexible in creating MIDI although you can certainly do this. I've developed a "Capture EDP Loop" object in Kyma, for example, that captures the current loop from an EDP. [Pardon the following EDP jargon.] It has check boxes to select post-capture behavior. The choices are "Mute current loop", "Erase current loop", or "Clear EDP". These send MIDI messages to short press MUTE (a note-on, note-off), long press REC (a note-on, 0.5 sec pause, note-off), or long press REC followed by long press MULTIPLY. So this sequence is controlled by a state machine I programmed into Kyma. I found that sending note-on/off is easy but sending other messages is much more complicated. Hope this helps. What kind of behavior do you want for your MIDI sequences? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 14 11:33:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11988; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:29:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:29:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901bfd616$a2093440$294d36d4@teenybobby> From: "teenybobber" To: Subject: Anatek Pocket-series Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:38:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA11956 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is there anybody who knows where I can get the old "POCKET"-products from Anatek. I´m specifically looking for the "Power Pack" and the "Pocket Midi Mapper". So if anybody got some for sale let me know. Teeny From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 14 11:37:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12162; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:34:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:34:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <032e01bfd615$edba9ab0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Problems with Oberheim Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:33:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >...My plex is now my style, >without it I might as well play drums. ... Hey! Watch your language! I resemble that remark! (I'm a looping percussionist.) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 14 16:11:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12707; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:06:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:06:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: EDP FC Switches Message-ID: <0056910005537352000002L122*@MHS> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:02:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 06/14/00 15:03:23" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA12667 Resent-Message-ID: <4PJh4B.A.GGD.XU-R5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For all of you EDP's only : The part number and description for the switches in the foot controller, when ordered from Mouser Electronics http://www.mouser.com is 1OPA005 Red PB Mountain Switch From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 14 18:11:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13034; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:07:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:07:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.1.20000614180418.00a95710@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:06:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: p koniuto Subject: Re: --Lexicon MPX-1 tweaking-- In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.1.20000612202807.00a9cbc0@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <8ihSKD.A.HLD.WHAS5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A couple days ago, i asked about the Lexicon MPX-1: How programmable is this unit? I've read that >one can have up to 5 effects running at a time, >and that one can put them in various orders, >etc. But what about the tweakability of each >program? I tend to do a LOT of parameter- >mangling. Is this possible on the MPX-1? No answers so far. Does anyone have this unit? -peter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 14 18:17:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13205; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:14:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:14:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BFD65F.1CFE7AA0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers Delight'" , "ambient@hyperreal.org" , "'keykit@nosuch.com'" , "'CT-Collective@onelist.com'" , "'modul-8@egroups.com'" Subject: a new attraction every day Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:17:06 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com for those who still haven't checked it out yet - be sure to bookmark http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb/music/my2k The MY2K site features a new 10 second sound for each day of the year 2000. Browse through 5 months of daily sounds that have already been recorded. Come back every day to hear a new sound. You'll hear: field recordings, algorithmic compositions, guitar loops, granular synthesis, voices, birds in slowmotion. Please spread the URL, and leave a message in the guestbook. = michael peters = electronic music & strange attractors = http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 14 18:42:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13458; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:39:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:39:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.1.20000614183612.00a8a5b0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:37:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: p koniuto Subject: Re: a new attraction every day In-Reply-To: <01BFD65F.1CFE7AA0.mpeters@csi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is always so much fun to visit...thanks Michael! BTW, my speakers on this computer aren't so hot, but...that isn't *really* a toilet seat, is it??? -pjk At 12:17 AM 6/15/00 +0200, you wrote: >for those who still haven't checked it out yet - be sure to bookmark > > http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb/music/my2k From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 14 20:10:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13847; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:07:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:07:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000615000602.17563.qmail@web218.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:06:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: --Lexicon MPX-1 tweaking-- To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I got the MPX-1 a couple of weeks back, but embarassingly have not done any programming of it yet, and have barely cracked the manual. I might be able answer specific questions for you after a time, but can't yet answer your query, except to say that I like what i hear so far in the factory presets. stephen --- p koniuto wrote: > > A couple days ago, i asked about the > Lexicon MPX-1: > > > How programmable is this unit? I've read that > >one can have up to 5 effects running at a time, > >and that one can put them in various orders, > >etc. But what about the tweakability of each > >program? I tend to do a LOT of parameter- > >mangling. Is this possible on the MPX-1? > > No answers so far. Does anyone have this > unit? > > -peter > > ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 14 20:27:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14038; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:24:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:24:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Mark" To: Subject: RE: a new attraction every day Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:22:02 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <01BFD65F.1CFE7AA0.mpeters@csi.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Micheal... Are the samples copyright or can they be used by others in other musical pieces :o) Email : network19@home.com URL : http://www.network19.net -----Original Message----- From: mpeters@csi.com [mailto:mpeters@csi.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 6:17 PM To: 'Loopers Delight'; ambient@hyperreal.org; 'keykit@nosuch.com'; 'CT-Collective@onelist.com'; 'modul-8@egroups.com' Subject: a new attraction every day for those who still haven't checked it out yet - be sure to bookmark http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb/music/my2k The MY2K site features a new 10 second sound for each day of the year 2000. Browse through 5 months of daily sounds that have already been recorded. Come back every day to hear a new sound. You'll hear: field recordings, algorithmic compositions, guitar loops, granular synthesis, voices, birds in slowmotion. Please spread the URL, and leave a message in the guestbook. = michael peters = electronic music & strange attractors = http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 14 20:50:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14215; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:48:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:48:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000615004652.17994.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:46:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: ebow, acoustic looping, tambouras, mixer setups, effects, raspberry smoothies (long) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/29 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As if anyone might be interested, i feel compelled to briefly describe my recent experiments in all that stuff in the subject line, and am addressing this to this list since the eyes of everyone else to whom i mention this quickly glaze over with that 'i'll-pretend-i'm-listening-,-but-really-,-how-would-pamela-anderson-look-running-down-the-beach-butt-nekid' daydream kinda look. not that i look like ms anderson. Be that as it may, i've got the ebow (mostly in haronics mode) making my female north indian tamboura sing after restringing her with the proper strings (chyrogenic, no less), and tuning her up to G instead of C where i had her. I'm using a slide guitar slide on it, and running it through the MPX-1 effects unit for delay and reverb, then looping it in the EDP. Very etherial, even 'wooden theremin', if you will, sounding. It does take a steady hand to keep the ebow close enough to the string to excite it without touching it. I'm using a Countryman hypercardioid Isomax miniature microphone (which seems to give moderately decent side rejection of sound) which i mount to the instrument (as well as to other instruments) with 'quake hold' museum putty - mildly stickystuff used to hang posters on walls without holes, or keep mum's china from dancing to the ground during an earthquake. Works very nicely. I run this through a RNC compressor via a channel insert on the mackie 1202 vlz - this helps *a lot* to keep the signal to the EDP relatively even, since the ebow/tamboura/slide combo goes from 'is it making any sound' to 'let's see if the neighborhood dogs will sing along with *this*'. Even better would be a compressor that can address certain frequency ranges, but the RNC works pretty well. (both the RNC and the Countryman mic have gotten good buzz over on rec.audio.pro) I have the EDP 'in' plugged into an aux-out on the mixer, returning to a normal channel, and am using the "effects to monitor" feature of the mackie, allowing you to chain aux sends. This means that i can loop accoustic input or any synth or sampler i have comming into the mixer. Of any of these, I can send the dry signal to the EDP, the mixed signal to the EDP, or even just the wet signal to it (wet meaning coming from the Lexicon MXP-1 effects processor, and/or soon (hopefully tonight)through a Nord micro modular.) I can then send the output of the EDP back through the effects units. I can also send the EDP output back into itself to reloop, which makes for some interesting chorusing & timbre changes. How I wish the EDP was stereo so I didn't lose all that subtlety of the effects when I loop - yes, i know, but i'm not ready to buy another EDP quite yet. I hope someone might have found this interesting. Oh, yes, raspberry smoothies are *definately* the best. stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 14 21:29:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14705; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:26:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:26:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39482FFC.D1753DB3@best.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:23:08 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ebow, acoustic looping, tambouras, mixer setups, effects, raspberry smoothies (long) References: <20000615004652.17994.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I can then send the output of the EDP back through >the effects units. I can also send the EDP output back >into itself to reloop, which makes for some interesting >chorusing & timbre changes... Every attempt I have made to do this (sending a delayed signal back to the delay device itself) has resulted in momentary interesting sounds followed by ear ripping howling feedback of the worst kind. How do you do this without destroying ears, speakers, domestic relationships, etc.? >I hope someone might have found this interesting. Yes, I did, thanks! -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 14 22:25:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14980; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:22:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:22:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3946962D.2440A55F@minds-eye.org> References: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:27:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: Potentially redundent looping question Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I'm sorry if this is a obvious question I should just check the archives for >but, > >Are any of the current loopers (Boomerang, EDP, Lexicon, etc.) capable of >opening the loop and having it decay away incrementally (like the old Digitech >pedals that used a hold button on the delay)? Is this one of the upgrades on >the Boomerang? > >I have a DL4 and a couple of Zooms and such and they all seem kind of abrupt >when you want to exit the loop. > >Once again, apologies if this is something that should be painfully obvious or >has been answered many times over. > >Many thanks > >Kevin CC Kevin, With the Jamm Man you can acheive three different levels of fade via MIDI. This is not accesible from the front panel. Check the manual for the proper message. With the Echoplex you can have the unit in delay mode with feedack at 100%. Then when you decrease the feedback the loop will fade. I hope this helps. Patrick From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 14 22:36:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15224; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:33:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:33:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101bfd672$8bb7fd50$3f310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <20000615004652.17994.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> <39482FFC.D1753DB3@best.com> Subject: Re: ebow, acoustic looping, tambouras, mixer setups, effects, raspberry smoothies (long) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:36:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Use a volume pedal or footswitch to cut or reduce the feedback before it spins out of control. The volume pedal should go between the output and the return. - Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Hoeltje" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 9:23 PM Subject: Re: ebow, acoustic looping, tambouras, mixer setups, effects, raspberry smoothies (long) > >I can then send the output of the EDP back through > >the effects units. I can also send the EDP output back > >into itself to reloop, which makes for some interesting > >chorusing & timbre changes... > > Every attempt I have made to do this (sending a delayed signal back to the delay device itself) has resulted in > momentary interesting sounds followed by ear ripping howling feedback of the worst kind. How do you do this > without destroying ears, speakers, domestic relationships, etc.? > > >I hope someone might have found this interesting. > > Yes, I did, thanks! > > -Allan > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 15 01:24:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15856; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:22:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:22:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <31.67342ef.2679c175@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:19:49 EDT Subject: Re: --Lexicon MPX-1 tweaking-- To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The MPX is very tweakable...lots of parameters and very flexible, but if you like to set up complex controller routings for real-time massaging, you'll be continually frustrated by the fact that you can only make 5 controller assignments per patch. The G-Force from tcelectronic is much better in this regard--26 assignments possible per patch. Plus, as I recall, there are only 50 user patch slots in the MPX, against 100 or maybe 128, in the G-F, which is also much easier to program because the interface is so well designed and so big. Both are great-sounding, cool units, with virtually endless options for tweakers. David Coffin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 15 03:40:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16175; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 03:37:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 03:37:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000301bfd698$15d029c0$039cb8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: "Loopers delight" Subject: Wow Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:03:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Do people spend more time fixing the EDP as playing with it?I am hearing they are still selling them with bugs and problems I hope the new ones are being watched with a bit more consideration for the consumers! ("Repetition is the master of manipulation" Jimmy Page) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 15 03:44:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16392; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 03:42:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 03:42:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BFD6AE.555B65D0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: AW: a new attraction every day Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:33:45 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9ihqRC.A.q9D.dhIS5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com p koniuto [SMTP:taghairm@mindspring.com] wrote, > BTW, my speakers on this computer aren't so hot, > but...that isn't *really* a toilet seat, is it??? yes it is. :-) = michael peters = electronic music & strange attractors = http://www.mpeters.de/mpeweb From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 15 03:46:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16574; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 03:44:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 03:44:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000615023538.00a94370@pop.interaccess.com> X-Sender: ths@pop.interaccess.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 02:37:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Sensabaugh Subject: Fwd: Re: Problems with Oberheim Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0cQ3h.A.qAE.IkIS5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >To: >Subject: Re: Problems with Oberheim >Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:33:43 -0500 > > >...My plex is now my style, > >without it I might as well play drums. ... > >Hey! Watch your language! I resemble that remark! (I'm a looping >percussionist.) > >Dennis Leas Sorry Dennis, this reminds me of my favorite drummer joke: Did you hear about the drummer that locked his keys in the car? It took him over an hour to get the bass player out of the car. Tom ths@interaccess.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 15 06:07:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA17355; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 06:03:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 06:03:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801bfd6af$da6d99e0$4e4be0d5@pandora.be> From: "soundmind" To: Subject: DL4 exp pedal Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:55:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFD6C0.9D77C400" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFD6C0.9D77C400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I've bought a DL4 a couple of weeks ago. There's an expression pedal = that goes with it, but I wonder if it's worth buying it. As I can read = in the manual, there doesn't seem to be much use for it. Any owners = like to comment on that? ta Jan Geerts=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFD6C0.9D77C400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I've bought a DL4 a = couple of=20 weeks ago.  There's an expression pedal that goes with it, but I = wonder if=20 it's worth buying it.  As I can read in the manual, there doesn't = seem to=20 be much use for it.  Any owners like to comment on = that?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFD6C0.9D77C400-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 15 12:02:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18298; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:54:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:54:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: DL4 exp pedal Message-ID: <0056910005552251000002L112*@MHS> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:50:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 06/15/00 10:51:30" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA18258 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I like the DL4 expression pedal a lot. I use it to double the number of presets, to get strange zipper sounds, to get analog delay feedback overload sounds, and most especially to fade a loop in and out (output level, not feedback). This last one especially is a way cool sound and is something that I can't do with my EDP. (I think because I have it's "feedback" pedal set to control feedback, not output volume, and I hate having to fiddle with buttons midloop.) K From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 15 13:49:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18745; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:44:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:44:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000615174150.28265.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:41:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: OT: Continuum 'fingerboard' controller To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OT:I saw this on the theremin mailing list (levnet), Check out this 'fingerboard' controller design: http://www.cerlsoundgroup.org bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 15 13:54:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18949; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:50:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:50:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:45:20 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: DL4 exp pedal In-reply-to: <0056910005552251000002L112*@MHS> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <4V3qeB.A.EmE.9bRS5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:50 AM -0700 6/15/00, kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com wrote: > This last one >especially is a way cool sound and is something that I can't do with my >EDP. (I think because I have it's "feedback" pedal set to control >feedback, not output volume, and I hate having to fiddle with buttons >midloop.) if you use midi, you can set up continuous controller pedals to control both loop output volume and feedback on the echoplex. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 15 13:54:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18957; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:51:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:51:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <394916A9.C0A15C15@best.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:47:21 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Bad Feedback - was Re: ebow, acoustic looping,... References: <20000615004652.17994.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> <39482FFC.D1753DB3@best.com> <002101bfd672$8bb7fd50$3f310140@concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, I did have a volume pedal set in front of the return, that is how I managed to save my ears. My point is I am only able to get a very short span of interesting sound before the whole thing melts down. I have tried this with the 2.8 second delay in a Boss GT-5 and the 14 second delay in the DL/4. I have not tried it with the EDP for fear it could cause damage. I had this notion that since I was putting the return signal though a delay there would not be an instantaneous overload of ear spliting noise. It seems to me that, even though the majority of the signal is delayed, electical devices have an inherant level of noise and it is this noise that is not delayed which causes the bad feedback. I just remembered a schematic for a 6X6 feedback mixer by David Lee Myers that was posted here a while back. Anyone using this? -Allan Larry Tremblay wrote: > Use a volume pedal or footswitch to cut or reduce the > feedback before it spins out of control. The volume > pedal should go between the output and the return. > > - Larry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allan Hoeltje" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 9:23 PM > Subject: Re: ebow, acoustic looping, tambouras, mixer setups, effects, > raspberry smoothies (long) > > > >I can then send the output of the EDP back through > > >the effects units. I can also send the EDP output back > > >into itself to reloop, which makes for some interesting > > >chorusing & timbre changes... > > > > Every attempt I have made to do this (sending a delayed signal back to the > delay device itself) has resulted in > > momentary interesting sounds followed by ear ripping howling feedback of > the worst kind. How do you do this > > without destroying ears, speakers, domestic relationships, etc.? > > > > >I hope someone might have found this interesting. > > > > Yes, I did, thanks! > > > > -Allan > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 15 13:58:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19081; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:54:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:54:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39491822.46E30F9B@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:53:43 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Wow References: <000301bfd698$15d029c0$039cb8d4@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Luis Angulo wrote: > Do people spend more time fixing the EDP as playing with it?I am hearing > they are still selling them with bugs and problems > I hope the new ones are being watched with a bit more consideration for the > consumers! > > ("Repetition is the master of manipulation" Jimmy Page) just another viewpoint, but i don't usually see posts to the list with "hey all, another day with no edp problems!" seriously, i've had (and used) one for over two years now, and the only problem i ever had was not getting the upgrade simms in properly. a quick email to the list and i was up and running. knock on wood :o) i've had much more trouble with "bulletproof" stompboxes (probably 'cause i never seem to keep 'em in the nice custom board i had built, and end up throwing them into a box once i'm through playing...) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 15 15:00:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19538; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:55:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:55:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01bfd6fa$e7b5c280$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Continuum 'fingerboard' controller Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:52:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Odd that you should mention this. Two weeks ago I got a chance to play this 'fingerboard'. I was attending a "Kyma Immersion Weekend" held by Symbolic Sound. (And no, water was not involved!) We visited Lippold Haken and his 'fingerboard', two floors down from us Kymites. Impressions: Extremely high quality workmanship. Lippold had the fingerboard configured at the time to sound like conventional instruments, i.e., violin, cello, clarinet, horn, trombone, etc. I found it hard to accurately (and reproducibly) control the pitch. But I don't play fretless instruments. [BTW: Lippold is a cellist.] The fingerboard is extremely responsive to minute changes. For example, you can wobble your fingertip and get any desired degree of vibrato. With ten fingers down and wobbling, you can get ten different qualities of vibrato. Almost overwhelming! I wanted to use Tabla playing techniques because precise finger placement is critical with those drums. Since then, I've been thinking that it would make a great controller for textures/timbre/tone colors. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 15 15:14:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19840; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:10:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:10:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003001bfd6fd$09000750$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Bad Feedback - was Re: ebow, acoustic looping,... Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:08:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I used to do this a lot with my EDPs. Worked fine for me! I did an "I Am Standing in a Room" treatment of a Brown and Williamson Tobacco answering machine message for the chain tape project. I called it "I Am Smoking in a Room". :) The feedback path went through an SPX-90. The feedpath path levels are quite touchy. I had to constantly tweak levels. I wanted to use this technique in a live performance but it always seemed TOO touchy. I like your term "meltdown". With my Kyma, I can do the entire thing digitally with enough control. I imagine the MAX/MSP folks could do likewise. >... It seems to >me that, even though the majority of the signal is delayed, electrical devices >have an inherant level of noise and it is this noise that is not delayed which >causes the bad feedback. If this is what you're hearing, it's not signal path stuff. Could be a grounding issue. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 15 16:02:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20093; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:57:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:57:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301bfd703$a3cda3e0$cbda44d1@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: Subject: EDP dual pedals (was Re: DL4 exp pedal) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:55:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <2WYiCD.A.m5E.VSTS5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is what I was talking about. It is a very powerful thing, and I think you should configure the overdub jack to accept a volume pedal to achieve this. Please? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Flint To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 10:45 AM Subject: Re: DL4 exp pedal > At 8:50 AM -0700 6/15/00, kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com wrote: > > This last one > >especially is a way cool sound and is something that I can't do with my > >EDP. (I think because I have it's "feedback" pedal set to control > >feedback, not output volume, and I hate having to fiddle with buttons > >midloop.) > > if you use midi, you can set up continuous controller pedals to control > both loop output volume and feedback on the echoplex. > > kim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 15 18:29:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20772; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:26:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:26:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000615222305.25481.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:23:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Wow To: baumhaus@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Luis, I have 3 (oberheim) echoplexes that were purchased over the past 3-5 yrs. I have had no downtime due to edp failure. The only part I have had to replace due to failure was a fuse. I think what we are seeing is a new factory, and all the changes and variables that introduces (build and test equipment, new assemblers, testers, failure analysis techs, rework people, possibly new suppliers of parts ...) The design and software for the edp seem quite robust to me, but it may take the new factory a few production runs to work out the kinks of building and testing edps. This is just my speculation, based on my experience with edps, the comments here as of late, and my experience in volume manufacturing and test of electronics. bret > Luis Angulo wrote: > > > Do people spend more time fixing the EDP as > playing with it?I am hearing > > they are still selling them with bugs and problems > > I hope the new ones are being watched with a bit > more consideration for the > > consumers! > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 15 19:14:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21004; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:10:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:10:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:14:24 -0700 Subject: Re: Wow From: "Kevin" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000615230916.JLC5411.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.6.222.153]> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Bret: We think your comments are right on target. We had an old EDP that was rock solid. The new EDP we got a couple of months ago was a trainwreck disguised as a looper. We just hope Gibson has somebody over in England who really knows looping, and knows the capabilities of the EDP, and can figure out how to do global batch testing. Best, Roctologists ---------- >From: Bret >To: baumhaus@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Wow >Date: Thu, Jun 15, 2000, 3:23 PM > > Luis, > I have 3 (oberheim) echoplexes that were purchased > over the past 3-5 yrs. I have had no downtime due to > edp failure. The only part I have had to replace due > to failure was a fuse. > > I think what we are seeing is a new factory, and all > the changes and variables that introduces (build and > test equipment, new assemblers, testers, failure > analysis techs, rework people, possibly new suppliers > of parts ...) > > The design and software for the edp seem quite robust > to me, but it may take the new factory a few > production runs to work out the kinks of building and > testing edps. > > This is just my speculation, based on my experience > with edps, the comments here as of late, and my > experience in volume manufacturing and test of > electronics. > > bret > >> Luis Angulo wrote: >> >> > Do people spend more time fixing the EDP as >> playing with it?I am hearing >> > they are still selling them with bugs and problems >> > I hope the new ones are being watched with a bit >> more consideration for the >> > consumers! >> > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! > http://photos.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 15 19:19:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21170; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:17:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:17:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <2119CE0D12B5D011BD52080009ED4283016A577D@deimos.tld.com> From: Mark Turi To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Wowburnin Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:17:48 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com We have just received several new edp's . I have about 2 hours on my unit and have not experienced any problems .. Is there a burn in period where problems are likely to pop up .. I don't want this thing going down in the middle of my first live performance. Mark __________________________ Mark Turi Project Manager TLD Computers Inc. mark@tld.com www.tld.com p 604.272.6012 f 604.272.6026 cell 604.306.0400 Cellular E-mail ( 250 characters ) 6043060400@pcs.cantelatt.com __________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 15 19:35:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21340; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:32:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:32:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: Wow Message-ID: <0056910005566580000002L102*@MHS> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:28:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 06/15/00 18:29:02" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA21295 Resent-Message-ID: <8KYkLD.A.6MF.PbWS5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, inspite of all of the bad press, my new Gibson EDP has been rock solid for the last two months, including yesterday when the outside temperature hit 108F here in the Bay Area. My old '95 Oberheim has also never had a problem. K hideaway53@home.com on 06/15/2000 04:16:10 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@SMTP To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@SMTP cc: Subject: Re: Wow Classification: Restricted Hi Bret: We think your comments are right on target. We had an old EDP that was rock solid. The new EDP we got a couple of months ago was a trainwreck disguised as a looper. We just hope Gibson has somebody over in England who really knows looping, and knows the capabilities of the EDP, and can figure out how to do global batch testing. Best, Roctologists ---------- >From: Bret >To: baumhaus@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Wow >Date: Thu, Jun 15, 2000, 3:23 PM > > Luis, > I have 3 (oberheim) echoplexes that were purchased > over the past 3-5 yrs. I have had no downtime due to > edp failure. The only part I have had to replace due > to failure was a fuse. > > I think what we are seeing is a new factory, and all > the changes and variables that introduces (build and > test equipment, new assemblers, testers, failure > analysis techs, rework people, possibly new suppliers > of parts ...) > > The design and software for the edp seem quite robust > to me, but it may take the new factory a few > production runs to work out the kinks of building and > testing edps. > > This is just my speculation, based on my experience > with edps, the comments here as of late, and my > experience in volume manufacturing and test of > electronics. > > bret > >> Luis Angulo wrote: >> >> > Do people spend more time fixing the EDP as >> playing with it?I am hearing >> > they are still selling them with bugs and problems >> > I hope the new ones are being watched with a bit >> more consideration for the >> > consumers! >> > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! > http://photos.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 15 20:31:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21582; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:28:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:28:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Keenan Lawler Subject: must sell klein guitar Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:26:31 US/Eastern X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Professional Edition v3.0.18 Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is anyone on this list interested in a 91 custom KLEIN guitar ? #75 custom shop i must sell this guitar ----it has a transtrem --black basswood body-- guatemalian rosewood neck blue tortoise pickguard --barden pu--tone x -etc--- price is extremely negotiable please respond to klaw@konstant.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 15 20:47:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21799; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:44:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:44:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Madoud@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:42:06 EDT Subject: Re: must sell klein guitar To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 110 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what are you asking From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 15 21:07:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21982; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:54:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:54:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:58:16 -0700 Subject: Re: Wowburnin From: "Kevin" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000616005308.CPH27161.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.6.222.153]> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Mark: Just put a bunch of loops in it and then keep it going 24/day. Roctologists ---------- >From: Mark Turi >To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" >Subject: RE: Wowburnin >Date: Thu, Jun 15, 2000, 4:17 PM > > We have just received several new edp's . I have about 2 hours on my unit > and have not experienced any problems .. Is there a burn in period where > problems are likely to pop up .. I don't want this thing going down in the > middle of my first live performance. > > Mark > > __________________________ > > Mark Turi > Project Manager > TLD Computers Inc. > mark@tld.com www.tld.com > p 604.272.6012 f 604.272.6026 > cell 604.306.0400 > Cellular E-mail ( 250 characters ) > 6043060400@pcs.cantelatt.com > __________________________ > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 15 22:14:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22484; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:10:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:10:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011401bfd737$e2064ca0$766ea8c0@in.bootlegtv.com> From: "Travis Hartnett" To: References: <20000615230916.JLC5411.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.6.222.153]> Subject: Re: Wow (EDP build quality) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:08:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com To deviate from my usual Prophet of Doom role, I'd have to say that the first two EDP's I bought (a few years apart, the Oberheim ones) both arrived DOA and had to be immediately sent back. The first Gibson one I received worked with no problem. TH > We think your comments are right on target. We had an old EDP that was rock > solid. The new EDP we got a couple of months ago was a trainwreck disguised > as a looper. We just hope Gibson has somebody over in England who really > knows looping, and knows the capabilities of the EDP, and can figure out how > to do global batch testing. > > Best, > Roctologists > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 16 01:07:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23031; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 00:54:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 00:54:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:49:34 -0700 Subject: Any comments on the Akai Headrush? From: Will & Gemma McCoy To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, Ive ready everything I can find about the Akai Headrush and the Boomerang and the Line 6 DL4. Im getting close to a buying decision. Up until recently I was only looking at the Line 6 DL4 and the Boomerang. But someone recommended looking into the Akai Headrush too. Any comments on how the Akai Headrush would compare to the Line 6 DL4 or the Boomerang? Im looking for low cost, easy operation and GREAT looping. I like the fact the the Akai unit has an "Undo" feature. Im a guitarist who also plays keys and bass. This is my first looping tool. I hope to get one that can loop the signal from a guitar, or synth, or drum machine, or vocals. Any suggestions will be greatly helpful to me. Thanks much. Best regards, Will PS--I dont want to lay out the dough for a Jamman or EDP unless I have to. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 16 01:53:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23309; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:50:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:50:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901bfd756$87d1dbe0$fd22dacf@z8y9w0> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <003001bfd6fd$09000750$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Subject: Idea for a Weekly Loop Arena ... Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:48:41 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In the past several folks had put forth the idea of posting a weekly loop somewhere not just as a matter of getting one's work out there, but also in a spirit of idea-sharing, I suspect, to say nothing of producing our favorite kind of music for a focused audience, if you will. I had grumbled a bit at this, given my posting of "The Loop of the Week" since 1996 online, and finally asked in a carmudgeonly fashion that you all just not call it the Loop of the Week. Well, how about this, to counter the above bucket of cold water? What about a Loop of the Week Webring? The participators would post their own loops online as they liked, and the collective bunch would certainly be worth the scrutiny of a number of audients who as yet haven't heard any of our stuff. I think the primary requirement would be that the sound file-in-question be a LOOP, when played appropriately. My preferred medium is the 44.1k/16-bit/stereo WAV file, with the 8k/16-bit/mono WAV also there as a short sample. There, that should start some talk. Stephen Goodman * The free Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 16 04:45:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23864; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 04:43:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 04:43:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:33:07 +0200 (CET) From: Jean-Daniel PAUGET X-Sender: jd@ze-ev.local To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Idea for a Weekly Loop Arena ... In-Reply-To: <001901bfd756$87d1dbe0$fd22dacf@z8y9w0> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id EAA23822 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: > (...in short...) In the past several folks had put forth the idea of > posting a weekly loop I like the idea very much. out there on the web you can check the work of this workshop group : http://www.univ-lyon1.fr/~jd/1'30 > I think the primary requirement would be that the sound file-in-question be > a LOOP, when played appropriately. My preferred medium is the > 44.1k/16-bit/stereo WAV file, with the 8k/16-bit/mono WAV also there as a > short sample. There, that should start some talk. okay, who would the authors of those loops ? -- (°- --il n'y a pas d'helice, helas ! )\._.,--....,'``. //\ et oui ! c'est la qu'est l'os !-- /, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. v_/_ (the big vadrouille, 1944) `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' [no propeller, alas ! - as you say ! what a bone ! ] From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 16 10:19:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24560; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:15:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:15:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <394A3605.59631F00@bard.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:13:25 -0400 From: Stewart Dean Organization: Henderson Computer Resource Center, Bard College X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Need info on Yamaha SU200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This unit looks interesting....an updated SP-202 that: > uses 3.3V SmartMedia cards (SP-202 uses no longer sold new 5V card and even then could only use 2 or 4 MB cards) > does 44kHz sampling (SP-202 is 32 kHz) > does 90 seconds of 44kHz on internal memory (SP202 has half that or so) ....price is pushing $400, reasonable enough Which begs this question: Q: when is Roland going to get its thumb out and update the SP-201? A: Just after you buy one of the current ones at full price. Seriously has anyone heard rumors as to when Roland will upgrade the SP-202? 1) Has anyone had experience with the SU200? How does it compare with the SP-202? Does the SU200 record loop automatically as easily as the SP-202? Yamaha's web site's pages on this unit don't tell me enough. I need more info: 2)) The pictures show a slot for a 3.3Volt Smart Media memory card. Would you believe that the pages DON'T EVEN MENTION THE CARD SLOT? So, I want to know: a) what size (in MB) does it accept b) when sampling can you write to it directly OR can it only be used to backup samples that you've made in the permanent internal memory. If you can write to it directly, what's the longest mono 44kHz sample time with the biggest SM card? 3) What email sales operation sell Yamaha? ZZounds.com doesn't carry it. Musician's Friend does, but they are out of stock, more due in end of month -- Stewart Dean, Unix System Admin, Henderson Computer Resources Center of Bard College, Annandale-on-Hudson, New York 12504 sdean@bard.edu voice: 914-758-7475, fax: 914-758-7035 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 16 10:40:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24839; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:36:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:36:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:33:54 -0700 From: "sock s" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: sop@n2mail.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: EDP Repairs X-Sender-Ip: 216.90.139.99 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <62F6OC.A.jDG.JsjS5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sent mine to Musictek in Hollywood CA. its been 3-4 months , they no longer reply to my email since I sent it. Other than that everythings cool. What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 16 11:09:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25297; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:06:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:06:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: <6.768e03e.267b9b37@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:01:11 EDT Subject: Re: Wow To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i've had to send my recently purchased edp back three times for repairs/problems!!!!!!!! shane was kind enough to offer sending me a another one.....it's on the way.. crossing my fingers brian electric bird noise real audio at: http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html In a message dated 6/15/00 7:09:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hideaway53@home.com writes: > We think your comments are right on target. We had an old EDP that was rock > solid. The new EDP we got a couple of months ago was a trainwreck disguised > as a looper. We just hope Gibson has somebody over in England who really > knows looping, and knows the capabilities of the EDP, and can figure out how > to do global batch testing. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 16 11:12:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25369; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:09:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:09:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: Test 2 of 2 (Ignore and Delete, please) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:00:16 -0700 Message-ID: <001701bfd7a3$950a8940$9f8b0b18@pinol1.sfba.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01BFD768.E8ABB140" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BFD768.E8ABB140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Test 2 of 2 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BFD768.E8ABB140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BFD768.E8ABB140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 16 11:29:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25647; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:26:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:26:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:24:07 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Wow (EDP build quality) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA25604 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I bought one of the last batch Oberheim made before the shutdown from Alto music... I had the unit for about a week and began rehearsals for a play. It worked one day, then the system clock died. Michael Ayers had it fixed and back to me in one week. Really cool. It's been fine ever since. I did loops with my GT-5 for that particular play... -Miko >>> tiktok@sprintmail.com 06/15 7:08 PM >>> To deviate from my usual Prophet of Doom role, I'd have to say that the first two EDP's I bought (a few years apart, the Oberheim ones) both arrived DOA and had to be immediately sent back. The first Gibson one I received worked with no problem. TH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 16 13:18:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26004; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:14:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:14:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000616131032.009818b0@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:10:32 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: RPS 10 fs "reverse pitch shifter" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey there just a note to any effects-crazy loopers.. - i am unloading a great piece -the infamous Boss/Roland RPS 10 -- -half-rackspace - digital delay with pitch shift - plus a great backwards feature - you've actually heard it to great extent, as Adrian Belew has used it since the early 80s .... though now he has some custom effects that duplicate it.. It's great for that backwards Hendrix sound - or for creating great pitch shift washes. Also gets the sgt pepper backwards stuff pretty well. right now it's at about $50 on ebay - this is a collecters item for sure - i just really need to re-finance my life - so letting go of many cool devices! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=355379314 thanks - sorry for the commercial intrusion.. Project Object -The Music of FRANK ZAPPA -Sat Jun 24 - The Lion's Den NYC August tour - 8/3 thru 8/19 with IKE WILLIS - details coming soon! details & effluvia -http://www.projectobject.com JFK's LSD UFO - RA, MP3s, upcoming dates at http://www.ufomusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 16 13:35:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26181; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:31:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:31:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201bfd7b9$21a8dea0$2b310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: Any comments on the Akai Headrush? Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:34:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't about the L6 DL4 - I tried one and it didn't seem too useful as a looper machine. I do have the Akai Headrush though. First off, the the Headrush is not a Jamman - in capabilities or price. The Akai is a nice stompbox looper because it's conceptually similar to tape-looping, which I prefer anyway. I often wish something like the Headrush had come along when I first started looping. It's sort of like having 4 tape machines, and beats having to buy several tape decks or Digitech delays. Highly recommended. - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will & Gemma McCoy" To: Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 12:49 AM Subject: Any comments on the Akai Headrush? > Hello, > > Ive ready everything I can find about the Akai Headrush and the Boomerang > and the Line 6 DL4. Im getting close to a buying decision. Up until > recently I was only looking at the Line 6 DL4 and the Boomerang. But > someone recommended looking into the Akai Headrush too. Any comments on how > the Akai Headrush would compare to the Line 6 DL4 or the Boomerang? Im > looking for low cost, easy operation and GREAT looping. I like the fact the > the Akai unit has an "Undo" feature. Im a guitarist who also plays keys and > bass. This is my first looping tool. I hope to get one that can loop the > signal from a guitar, or synth, or drum machine, or vocals. Any suggestions > will be greatly helpful to me. Thanks much. > > Best regards, Will > > PS--I dont want to lay out the dough for a Jamman or EDP unless I have to. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 16 13:41:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26351; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:38:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:38:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F90D99F8@mail.davitt-hanser.com> From: Todd Quincy To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Any comments on the Akai Headrush? Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:37:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > It's sort of like having > 4 tape machines [Todd Quincy] what do you mean? does it have 4 loops? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 16 14:30:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26561; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:26:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:26:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: tri.tran@baesystems.com Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:23:13 -0500 Subject: =?utf-8?B?UkU6IE5lZWQgaW5mbyBvbiBZYW1haGEgU1UyMDA=?= To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BFD7BF.EEF16AAC" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFD7BF.EEF16AAC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Try www.pssl.com -----Original Message----- From: Stewart Dean [mailto:sdean@bard.edu] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 9:13 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Need info on Yamaha SU200 This unit looks interesting....an updated SP-202 that: > uses 3.3V SmartMedia cards (SP-202 uses no longer sold new 5V card and even then could only use 2 or 4 MB cards) > does 44kHz sampling (SP-202 is 32 kHz) > does 90 seconds of 44kHz on internal memory (SP202 has half that or so) ....price is pushing $400, reasonable enough Which begs this question: Q: when is Roland going to get its thumb out and update the SP-201? A: Just after you buy one of the current ones at full price. Seriously has anyone heard rumors as to when Roland will upgrade the SP-202? 1) Has anyone had experience with the SU200? How does it compare with the SP-202? Does the SU200 record loop automatically as easily as the SP-202? Yamaha's web site's pages on this unit don't tell me enough. I need more info: 2)) The pictures show a slot for a 3.3Volt Smart Media memory card. Would you believe that the pages DON'T EVEN MENTION THE CARD SLOT? So, I want to know: a) what size (in MB) does it accept b) when sampling can you write to it directly OR can it only be used to backup samples that you've made in the permanent internal memory. If you can write to it directly, what's the longest mono 44kHz sample time with the biggest SM card? 3) What email sales operation sell Yamaha? ZZounds.com doesn't carry it. Musician's Friend does, but they are out of stock, more due in end of month -- Stewart Dean, Unix System Admin, Henderson Computer Resources Center of Bard College, Annandale-on-Hudson, New York 12504 sdean@bard.edu voice: 914-758-7475, fax: 914-758-7035 ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFD7BF.EEF16AAC Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Need info on Yamaha SU200

Try www.pssl.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Stewart Dean [mailto:sdean@bard.edu]
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 9:13 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Need info on Yamaha SU200


This unit looks interesting....an updated SP-202 = that:
> uses 3.3V SmartMedia cards (SP-202 uses no = longer sold new 5V card and even then could only use 2 or 4 MB = cards)
> does 44kHz sampling (SP-202 is 32 kHz)
> does 90 seconds of 44kHz on internal memory = (SP202 has half that or so)
....price is pushing $400, reasonable enough  =

Which begs this question:
Q: when is Roland going to get its thumb out and = update the SP-201?
A: Just after you buy one of the current ones at = full price.

Seriously has anyone heard rumors as to when Roland = will upgrade the
SP-202?


1) Has anyone had experience with the SU200?  = How does it compare with
the SP-202?  Does the SU200 record loop = automatically as easily as the
SP-202?

Yamaha's web site's pages on this unit don't tell me = enough.  I need
more
info:
2)) The pictures show a slot for a 3.3Volt Smart = Media memory card.
Would you believe that the pages  DON'T EVEN = MENTION THE CARD SLOT?  So,
I want to know:
a) what size (in MB) does it accept
b) when sampling can you write to it directly OR can = it only be used to
backup samples that you've made in the permanent = internal memory.  If
you can write to it directly, what's the longest = mono 44kHz sample time
with the biggest SM card?

3) What email sales operation sell Yamaha?  = ZZounds.com doesn't carry
it.  Musician's Friend does, but they are out = of stock, more due in end
of month
--
Stewart Dean, Unix System Admin, Henderson Computer = Resources
Center of Bard College, Annandale-on-Hudson, New = York  12504 
sdean@bard.edu  voice: 914-758-7475, fax: = 914-758-7035

------_=_NextPart_001_01BFD7BF.EEF16AAC-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 16 15:52:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26886; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:48:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:48:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008601bfd7cc$1ec7bd10$2b310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F90D99F8@mail.davitt-hanser.com> Subject: Re: Any comments on the Akai Headrush? Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:50:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > It's sort of like having > > 4 tape machines > [Todd Quincy] what do you mean? does it have 4 loops? Not exactly. It has 4-outputs to simulate a 4-machine set-up. Unfortunately, each of the delays run in sync with each other - there's no way to run each echo independent of each other, which would be really like having 4 tape machines. Are any manufacturers listening? - Larry T From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 16 16:27:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27135; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:13:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:13:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901bfd7cf$20e76160$4f0878d8@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F90D99F8@mail.davitt-hanser.com> <008601bfd7cc$1ec7bd10$2b310140@concentric.net> Subject: Re: Any comments on the Akai Headrush? Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:11:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Unfortunately, each of the delays run in sync > with each other - there's no way to run each echo > independent of each other, which would be really like > having 4 tape machines. Are any manufacturers listening? > > - Larry T Hey--I'm all for adventure, but I gotta think 9 out of 10 looping digital delay consumers WANTS the echoes to have a relationship to each other--whereas the all-in-one multitrack non-synchronous lag time accumulator is kind of a niche market. Couldn't you put one together from existing hardware? Four EDPs or whatever--your favorite or favorites. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 16 16:28:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27311; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:24:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:24:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007101bfd7b6$eb22a840$1243fea9@pc-one> From: "Nati" To: Subject: SEQUENCER ROLAND MC50 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:18:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Infomail-Id: 961186764.65C501AC1E039E.46764 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com how is the roland mc 50 for looping? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 16 16:36:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27603; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:32:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:32:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003901bfd7cf$20e76160$4f0878d8@gary> References: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F90D99F8@mail.davitt-hanser.com> <008601bfd7cc$1ec7bd10$2b310140@concentric.net> <003901bfd7cf$20e76160$4f0878d8@gary> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:30:23 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Any comments on the Akai Headrush? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > >Unfortunately, each of the delays run in sync > > with each other - there's no way to run each echo > > independent of each other, which would be really like > > having 4 tape machines. Are any manufacturers listening? > > > > - Larry T > >Hey--I'm all for adventure, but I gotta think 9 out of 10 looping digital >delay consumers WANTS the echoes to have a relationship to each >other--whereas the all-in-one multitrack non-synchronous lag time >accumulator is kind of a niche market. Couldn't you put one together from >existing hardware? Four EDPs or whatever--your favorite or favorites. >Gary Four EDPs! quite the budget. you need something like MSP and a laptop and a very clever program so you can synch, or not, as you need and have as many loops as you have CPU and bandwidth to execute (I'm sure your average G4 has at least enough of both to do at least 4 and probably 8 full bandwidth loops...) /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 16 17:21:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27858; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:17:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:17:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <394A9841.1AD1438B@dplanet.ch> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:12:33 +0200 From: mentalbass Reply-To: mentalbass@dplanet.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de,es-ES,de-CH MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Any comments on the Akai Headrush? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Will The Newsgroup-People will kill me ... but: I have an Akai and a DL4 - no joke, but the Akai ist 10 times better - it just sounds better, i know, shouldn't be, but it is like that!!! ... by the way - anyone (in europe) wants to buy my dl4 - i'll make a good price! Saludos, Jesús > Hello, > > Ive ready everything I can find about the Akai Headrush and the Boomerang > and the Line 6 DL4. Im getting close to a buying decision. Up until > recently I was only looking at the Line 6 DL4 and the Boomerang. But > someone recommended looking into the Akai Headrush too. Any comments on how > the Akai Headrush would compare to the Line 6 DL4 or the Boomerang? Im > looking for low cost, easy operation and GREAT looping. I like the fact the > the Akai unit has an "Undo" feature. Im a guitarist who also plays keys and > bass. This is my first looping tool. I hope to get one that can loop the > signal from a guitar, or synth, or drum machine, or vocals. Any suggestions > will be greatly helpful to me. Thanks much. > > Best regards, Will > > PS--I dont want to lay out the dough for a Jamman or EDP unless I have to. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 16 17:35:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28099; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:30:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:30:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000616212912.23312.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:29:12 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: OT help with GR1 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My GR1 no longer reads from the expansion card. This has created serious problems as two of the songs PErmagrin plays live cannot be performed without the sounds on the card. Has anyone else had this problem. Any help would be much appreciated. Dan Sumner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 16 17:53:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28348; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:49:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:49:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101bfd7dd$18aedb00$7e310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F90D99F8@mail.davitt-hanser.com> <008601bfd7cc$1ec7bd10$2b310140@concentric.net> <003901bfd7cf$20e76160$4f0878d8@gary> Subject: Re: Any comments on the Akai Headrush? Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:51:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >Unfortunately, each of the delays run in sync > > with each other - there's no way to run each echo > > independent of each other, which would be really like > > having 4 tape machines. Are any manufacturers listening? > > > > - Larry T > > Hey--I'm all for adventure, but I gotta think 9 out of 10 looping digital > delay consumers WANTS the echoes to have a relationship to each > other--whereas the all-in-one multitrack non-synchronous lag time > accumulator is kind of a niche market. Couldn't you put one together from > existing hardware? Four EDPs or whatever--your favorite or favorites. My immediate wise-ass rejoinder is: 9 out of 10 loopers sound alike. ;) Seriously though, the reason much of Eno's stuff (for instance) sounds so organic, unforced and free-floating is due, in part, to the non-synchronized nature of his loop machines. It's much freer I think, and purer to the ambient spirit. Otherwise, looping is reduced to nothing more than a parlor trick of real-time, multi-tracking. IMO, quite restricted and limited possibilities. On the other hand, having the best of both worlds would be ideal: the choice of sync or non-syncronized "layers" in real-time, and NOT tied down to a computer. Who can afford 4 EDP's? Among other things, I currently use 4 RDS 7.6's, an RDS-8000, the AKAI Headrush and 2 DFX-94's. Even though it's all wire up to a patch bay, it's not exactly portable. :) Later, - Larry T From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 16 18:02:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28506; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:50:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:50:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <394AA0E4.1992116F@cabq.gov> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:49:24 -0600 From: "Jason E. Fink" Organization: City of Albuquerque X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Any comments on the Akai Headrush? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have a Headrush, and while I enjoy playing it, I cant help but feel limited by this little device. Now a days, I really NEED the ability to have multiple loops, and I hate the way the Headrush abruptly stops when you exit Loop mode, rather than a gentle decay (it would be best to be able to choose either way depending on the song). My tenure as a looper and reader of "loopers delight" adds up to less than year, and already I entertain thoughts of spending the big bucks for a Jamman or an EDP. Even though I am a freshman looper, I got a little Plex fund started that the wife and kids know nothing about. Ack, what have I become? Later, -jas Albuquerque New Mexico http://www.unm.edu/~cornflak From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 16 18:07:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28952; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:02:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:02:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000616220210.2743.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:02:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: SEQUENCER ROLAND MC50 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't know about the the mc-50, but i'm using the newer mc-80 for midi looping. It allows you to record while looping, switch tracks and drop in and out of record mode without stopping the loop. Other things you have to stop the loop to do. I also sync the EDP via midi clock with it, but still not sure which is better as the master and which is better as the slave. There are rumours of clock resync capabilities coming in the EDP which might cure some of my woes, as once you stop either of these units, you can't re-sync them easily. There's a relatively quiet mc-80 mailing list at egroups.com where a couple of folks have used the MC-50 if you have specific questions. stephen --- Nati wrote: > how is the roland mc 50 for looping? > > > ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 16 19:16:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29391; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:11:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:11:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000616230827.62778.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.172] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: TC Electronics D-TWO Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:08:27 MST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone know if this is a decent delay unit to use for looping? I don't know much about it, but it appears to be a really good unit for the price. Anyone with first hand knowledge? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 16 19:31:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29644; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:28:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:28:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000616232648.16039.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:26:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: best of both worlds To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- Larry Tremblay wrote: > Seriously though, the reason much of Eno's stuff> (for instance) sounds > so organic, unforced and free-floating is due, in> part, to the > non-synchronized nature of his loop machines. It's> much freer I think, > and purer to the ambient spirit. Otherwise, looping> is reduced to > nothing more than a parlor trick of real-time,> multi-tracking. IMO, > quite restricted and limited possibilities.> > On the other hand, having the best of both worlds> would be ideal: > the choice of sync or non-syncronized "layers" in> real-time, and > NOT tied down to a computer. Who can afford 4 EDP's? 4 EDP's would be about $3000. Seems like many musicians find a way to afford 1 or more instruments that cost that much, plus amps, speakers, mixers, recorders, effects, etc. I am shocked at all the >$2k guitars and basses that are being sold these days (I grew up in the 60's). My choice nowadays is a $250 pawnshop guitar (gutted and fitted with internal gk2a) and spend my money on voices (vg8, gr09) and 3 edps. I agree that non synced loops can yield a beautiful, flowing, variable, organic soundscape. Without sync, it becomes tough to play rhythmic music that does not become chaotic, at least for any length of time. Not that chaotic rhythmic music is a problem, if that is what you want to create. I think multiple edps is the best of both worlds. Or as close as exists today. Using multiple edps with multiple musicians yields much more power and flexibility for us than you might imagine. It is far more than just live multitracking. I agree, that alone would be very limited in the scope of sounds created, and the fun to be had looping. One of the cool things about the edp is that flexibility is designed in, and the user interface encourages interaction with the current loop. I can sync with my musical partners or not. We can sync even if we have different length loops. I can sync my 7 bars to anothers 5 while we are synced to anothers 31 bars of music. We don't discuss or plan how long each of our loops will be, or who will loop and who won't. These variable length, sync'd loops move (beat) against each other in a changing manner, yielding the sort of organic evolution that you refer to with unsync'd loops. With edp's, this movement of loops against each other can be done with highly rhythmic material just as easily as more ethereal, ambient washes of sound, or a combo of both. Further, each of these individual loops can be started, stopped, overdubbed, layers undone, reversed, faded, erased and re-recorded differently, or create a second (or 9th)loop, all while maintaining sync with my partners (or not if we wish). What could be more flexible and more allow more variability? Multiple edps with brother sync are definately more than just live multitracking. I am amazed at the varieties of sounds that can be created and manipulated with this $2k worth of edps. I have never regretted buying 3. I have never had more fun playing music with others. We used to have a few jammen, a boomerang, and EH16, and that was fun, but not nearly as flexible and controlable as multiple edps (as our base of loops). The EH16 (and/or a vortex or 2) is very nice with 3 edps, however. You gotta like time warped, pitch shifted chaos on top of a good foundation. Swirling, moving, divebombing icing on the cake. bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 16 23:27:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30308; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:24:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:24:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01bfd80b$f1c54360$7e310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <394AA0E4.1992116F@cabq.gov> Subject: Re: Any comments on the Akai Headrush? Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:27:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Ack, what have I become? A loop junkie! ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 16 23:43:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30546; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:40:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:40:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01bfd80d$90856920$5d22dacf@z8y9w0> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Idea for a Weekly Loop Arena ... Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:38:52 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Jean-Daniel PAUGET" queried: > okay, who would the authors of those loops ? Uh, everyone who would like to produce them, I hope! Stephen Goodman * The free Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 17 05:26:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA31262; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 05:23:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 05:23:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003801bfd839$41de81e0$bad89b3e@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: "Loopers delight" Subject: Re: EDP input gain Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:50:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/79 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Loopers, I have already changed the resistors R10 to 22 kOhm and its certainly better but i still get distortion.I want to be able to play comfortable without having to be careful to reprogram effects just for the sake of this! It can be quite frustrating because my effects do need a certain amount of gain and brightness so they cut through the mix live. if i change once more to higher resistors( i.e. more than 22kOhm) will it make a difference? (I wrote to Kim but no answer) Thanks for your help! Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 17 05:30:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA31488; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 05:27:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 05:27:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801bfd83d$35ad0780$4e4be0d5@pandora.be> From: "soundmind" To: Subject: mc 50 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 11:19:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFD84D.F8AF9080" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFD84D.F8AF9080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I work with the xp80, which contains the software of the mc 50, and most = of the time it works fine for looping. I have got stuck some times = though. But I love the xp as a whole : the seq, good keyboard and lots = of sounds ; I've got mine stacked with vintage sounds, that I had been = searching for for years. I recently bought the dl4, and I think it's great : as well the looping = as the delays. It's the first looping device I've got, and a edp sounds = great too (maybe oneday if I got some money), but I don't think the dl = is that hard too work with. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFD84D.F8AF9080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I work with the xp80, = which=20 contains the software of the mc 50, and most of the time it works fine = for=20 looping.  I have got stuck some times though.  But I love the = xp as a=20 whole : the seq, good keyboard and lots of sounds ; I've got mine = stacked with=20 vintage sounds, that I had been searching for for years.
I recently bought the = dl4, and I=20 think it's great : as well the looping as the delays.  It's the = first=20 looping device I've got, and a edp sounds great too (maybe oneday if I = got some=20 money), but I don't think the dl is that hard too work=20 with.
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFD84D.F8AF9080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 17 09:21:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31996; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:19:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:19:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000301bfd85e$30062de0$1a3c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #169 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:15:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [ Best viewed in a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #169 June 15, 2000. On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Dutch synthesist Ron Boots. The feature CD at Midnight was the "Wind in the Trees" disk from the six disc collection "The 80's Box" on the Groove label. The music of Jeff Pearce and Kevin Keller was played in review of their recent concert at The Gathering on June 10, 2000. Jeff Pearce http://www.hypnos.com/pearce Kevin Keller http://www.kevinkeller.com The Gathering http://www.thegatherings.org Congratulations to Micah who was the caller who won the CD giveaway of Revival. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Revival Darkness Brings the Moon Revival (none) Jonn Serrie & Gary The Ocena of Night Hidden World (Narada) Stroutsos Saul Stokes Greys Outfolding (Hypnos) Jeff Pearce Lattice of Memory Songs for the Gathering (none) Constance Demby Ocean Without Shores Aeterna (Hearts of Space) Kevin Keller Allegro - Blood of the Intermezzo (Zebra Music) Raven Rudy Adrian Happy Memories Kinetic Flow (Groove) Pyramid Peak Blossom Dust Atmosphere (Invisible Shadows) Robert Scott Thompson Origin Blue Day (Aucourant) Ozma Circumstellar A Huge and Silent Place (Atomic City) 12:00 am Ron Boots Snowhedges, Winter Wind in the Trees (Groove) Coldness Ron Boots Snowplaines, Frozen Wind in the Trees (Groove) Leaves Ron Boots April Breeze Wind in the Trees (Groove) Ron Boots Blossom Awakes Wind in the Trees (Groove) Ron Boots Spring Birds Wind in the Trees (Groove) Ron Boots Thunderstorm, Lightning Wind in the Trees (Groove) Ron Boots Summerwind * Wind in the Trees (Groove) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Ron Boots. Each week's feature CD at midnight will be taken from the Boots 80's Box, a collection of his early cassette releases remastered and other rare tracks. The feature CD at midnight will be "Moments" on the Groove label. As a special bonus, next week's show will run an EXTRA HOUR! Tune in for another CD giveaway, too!! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 17 11:26:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32466; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 11:24:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 11:24:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <32.6889f9c.267cf1bf@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 11:22:39 EDT Subject: Re: Any comments on the Akai Headrush? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/82 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/16/00 8:50:36 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, jfink@cabq.gov writes: << Plex fund started that the wife and kids know nothing about. >> jason..........how is this possible?............:).............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 17 18:51:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00692; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 18:49:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 18:49:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <9d.6e425d9.267d59e8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 18:47:04 EDT Subject: 100% :OT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com just saw karrin allyson this afternoon.........wow.........excellent "jazz" singer........no loops, but well worth checking out..........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 18 00:41:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01691; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 00:40:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 00:40:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901bfd8de$ebaebd20$a2aa5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Top 20 for June, 2000 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 00:37:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice and CD Revolutions for June, 2000. Shows #166 to #169; 25-May-2000 to 15-June-2000 Reported in non-ranked order. Genre: Electronic, Ambient, Space Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net CONTACT: billfox@fast.net ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Craig Padilla - Music for the Mind Vol 1 - none Djam Karet - Suspension & Displacement - Cuneiform Jeff Pearce - Songs for the Gathering - none Jonn Serrie - Century Seasons - Miramar Lambert - Essential - Spheric Music Ozone Player - Relay It - none Raibow Serpent - Pulse - Manikin Rudy Adrian - Kinetic Flow - Groove Syndromeda - Birth of a Black Hole - Groove Various - Ambient Landscapes 2 - Dark Duck Vidna Obmana & Jeff Pearce - True Stories - Mirage Jonn Serrie & Gary Stroutsos - Hidden World - Narada Ramp - Frozen Radios - none Saul Stokes - Outfolding - Hypnos Kevin Keller Trio - Iris by Night - none Revival - Revival - none Ron Boots - New Dream - Groove Ron Boots - Wind in the Trees - Groove Ron Boots - Odds & Ends - Groove Jeff Greinke - In Another Place - Linden Music From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 18 01:41:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01971; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 01:39:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 01:39:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 22:33:18 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Looper's Delight moved to a new server To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi everybody- Last week I moved Looper's Delight to a new server. It was a lot of work and preparation actually, big sites like this aren't very easy to move around. Everything went smoothly, and I'm quite happy that nobody seems to have noticed any difference at all. :-) If you do happen to notice anything weird, please let me know. this change will mean I have a lot more flexibility to do things with the site that were too difficult or expensive to deal with before. So hopefully we will see some nice improvements in the future. If there is something you would like to contribute to the site, let me know. One immediate improvement is the search engine now works properly for the mailing list archive. Feel free to go play with it: http://www.annihilist.com/cgi-bin/wilma/LDarchive Also, if you sent me mail recently and I didn't reply, sorry. I've been waaaayyyy too busy with all of this to reply to all of the emails I usually get. I'll try to get caught up on that, but there's something like 80 mails right now so be patient. It might be a while.... :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 18 12:34:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03148; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:32:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:32:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005301bfd941$545f5a20$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Peter Shindler" To: References: <20000615174150.28265.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: Continuum 'fingerboard' controller Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:21:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How cool. Is this thing in production? I didn't see any pricing info or dealer locations on their site. Hmm... Continuum fingerboard ----> Sherman Filterbank ------> EDP What couldn't you do with that setup? Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Bret To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 1:41 PM Subject: OT: Continuum 'fingerboard' controller > OT:I saw this on the theremin mailing list (levnet), > Check out this 'fingerboard' controller design: > > http://www.cerlsoundgroup.org > > bret > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 18 17:01:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03688; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:00:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:00:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: <90.5ddf381.267e9227@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 16:59:19 EDT Subject: Our Man Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/87 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As usual our man Flint kicks ass. Longtime list readers prefer Flint.:^) b.helm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 18 23:25:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04325; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 23:19:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 23:19:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 23:17:52 EDT Subject: electric bird noise in raliegh To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 110 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello all........i know there are a few of you in the raliegh n.c. area........just wanted to let ya'll know that we (electric bird noise) will be performing this friday june 23rd in raleigh at the "trace gallery" on blunt st. we will start around 7:00pm come if you can brian ebnoise http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 01:48:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04790; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 01:46:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 01:46:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000619054457.20042.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [64.32.137.111] From: "Calyx Darkstorm" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: FS: Oberheim Digital Echoplex Pro w/ Footpedal & rack Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:44:57 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/89 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Its on ebay. I dont read this group so dont reply by posting here. Bidding starts at $500 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360899036 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 01:49:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04878; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 01:47:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 01:47:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000619054656.33737.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [64.32.137.111] From: "Calyx Darkstorm" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: FS: Lexicon Vortex Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:46:56 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/90 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Come an git it! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360919652 I dont read this digest often so dont reply post here ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 03:38:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05298; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 03:36:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 03:36:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <394DCC88.27C3550E@mogul.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:32:24 +0200 From: mark red Reply-To: mark.francombe@mogul.com Organization: mogul.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Wow (EDP build quality) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I bought one of the last batch Oberheim made before the shutdown from Alto music... Scuse me if i missed something, but does this infer that the orders put to Alto are no longer happening? Ive had an order with them, for months now,and was just being patient, like I was told to be... true they aint taken any money off my credit card yet, but they could'have told me... (am emailing them too, this is just a grumble...andworning to some that may be the same as me...IE...polite englishman... MArk .......mogul.com°................................................... mogul.com > mark francombe red - multimedia designer drammensveien 134 NO-0277 oslo norway tel +47 - 24 11 43 00 direct tel +47 - 24 11 45 15 mobil +47 - 98 66 14 56 mark.francombe@mogul.com ........................................................................... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 04:31:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06078; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 04:30:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 04:30:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 01:27:15 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Wow (EDP build quality) In-reply-to: <394DCC88.27C3550E@mogul.com> To: mark.francombe@mogul.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/92 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:32 AM -0700 6/19/00, mark red wrote: >> I bought one of the last batch Oberheim made before the shutdown from >>Alto music... > >Scuse me if i missed something, but does this infer that the orders put >to Alto are no longer happening? Ive had an order with them, for months >now,and was just being patient, like I was told to be... true they aint >taken any money off my credit card yet, but they could'have told me... >(am emailing them too, this is just a grumble...andworning to some that >may be the same as me...IE...polite englishman... > no, no, no. you've been completely confused by his statement there. (understandable, if you are not paying attention to the soap opera, it's kinda hard to follow after a while. :-) He's referring to a period about a year or so ago, when Gibson produced the last batch of Oberheim branded echoplex units in the US before closing that operation and moving it all to Trace-Elliot in the UK. Those units were mostly sold through a Looper's Delight group-buy deal at Alto. Gibson since moved the whole echoplex production to their trace-elliot division, rebranded it "Gibson", and it's alive and cranking. The new units from that effort are what is getting shipped now and they are continuing to ramp production on it. Also, in regards to the quality of these new ones, I think they are top-notch now. The first batch that went out had a couple of problems, but they fixed that up right away. They are working very hard to make sure everything coming out is thoroughly tested and top-quality, and I think they are doing a great job. Matthias and I have worked with them quite a bit on this. Gotta love those British engineers. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 05:09:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06339; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:06:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:06:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <394DE19F.676C84E3@mogul.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:02:23 +0200 From: mark red Reply-To: mark.francombe@mogul.com Organization: mogul.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Wow (EDP build quality) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim Flint wrote: >Gotta love those British engineers. :-) > > kim ...or any Englishmen really!!! MArk Red (englishman in Norway!) > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | -- .......mogul.com°................................................... mogul.com > mark francombe red - multimedia designer drammensveien 134 NO-0277 oslo norway tel +47 - 24 11 43 00 direct tel +47 - 24 11 45 15 mobil +47 - 98 66 14 56 mark.francombe@mogul.com ........................................................................... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 10:35:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06908; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:30:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:30:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201bfd9f9$70c1dae0$d4084cd5@Win98> From: "hefi" To: Subject: Gipson ES - 175 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:00:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFDA07.82568E00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFDA07.82568E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am interesting to buy a Gipson ES -175 guitar. I live in Europe=20 ( Poland ) so I would expect to someone close to me . Hefi hefi@go2.pl ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFDA07.82568E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am interesting to buy a = Gipson ES -175=20 guitar. I live in Europe
 
( Poland ) so I would expect to = someone close=20 to me .
Hefi
hefi@go2.pl
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFDA07.82568E00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 11:20:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07201; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:18:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:18:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017f01bfda01$55a01440$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: EDP input gain Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:16:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/95 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I have already changed the resistors R10 to 22 kOhm and its certainly better >but i still get distortion. Have you considered an inline attenuator on the EDP input cable? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 11:46:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07465; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:44:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:44:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:41:16 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Wow (EDP build quality) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA07419 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/96 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com No.... this was BEFORE Trace-Elliott started making them... there's no change to the status quo. Ya just gotta read posts carefully. The "build quality" topic has been wandering around, and anecdotes about previous build quality were what I was responding to. Just reporting MY facts. I felt lucky to have grabbed one before they QUIT making them at Oberheim, because it was a LOOOONNNNNNG wait for Trace to begin building them again. What was was it? 1 year or more? Alto Music has been beyond awesome in their continuing support of we here at Loopers Delight and I'd say they'll get 'em to you as fast as Trace/Gibson can fill their orders. Don't panic! -Miko >>> mark red 06/19 12:36 AM >>> >> I bought one of the last batch Oberheim made before the shutdown from Alto music... > Scuse me if i missed something, but does this infer that the orders put to Alto are no longer happening? Ive had an order with them, for months now,and was just being patient, like I was told to be... true they aint taken any money off my credit card yet, but they could'have told me... (am emailing them too, this is just a grumble...andworning to some that may be the same as me...IE...polite englishman... MArk .......mogul.com°................................................... mogul.com > mark francombe red - multimedia designer drammensveien 134 NO-0277 oslo norway tel +47 - 24 11 43 00 direct tel +47 - 24 11 45 15 mobil +47 - 98 66 14 56 mark.francombe@mogul.com ........................................................................... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 12:05:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07731; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:03:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:03:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501bfda08$688e1a00$57310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <20000619054457.20042.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Oberheim Digital Echoplex Pro w/ Footpedal & rack Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:07:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/97 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you don't read this group, then why the fuck are you posting eBay ad's here? What a dick... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Calyx Darkstorm" To: Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 1:44 AM Subject: FS: Oberheim Digital Echoplex Pro w/ Footpedal & rack > Its on ebay. I dont read this group so dont reply by posting here. Bidding > starts at $500 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360899036 > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 12:20:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08055; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:19:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:19:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Oberheim Digital Echoplex Pro w/ Footpedal & rack Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:12:17 -0500 Message-ID: <01bfda11$8554f560$24cd580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/98 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Larry, luv ya, and appreciate the sentiment, but if he doesn't read the group then he won't get your post, do what I did, e-mail the dork directly. PedroOOrdeP From: Larry Tremblay Subject: Re: Oberheim Digital Echoplex Pro w/ Footpedal & rack >If you don't read this group, then > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Calyx Darkstorm" >To: >Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 1:44 AM >Subject: FS: Oberheim Digital Echoplex Pro w/ Footpedal & rack > > >> Its on ebay. I dont read this group so dont reply by posting here. >Bidding >> starts at $500 >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360899036 >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 12:35:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08227; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:33:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:33:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005501bfda08$688e1a00$57310140@concentric.net> References: <20000619054457.20042.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:38:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Larry's temper... Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/99 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >If you don't read this group, then why the fuck are you >posting eBay ad's here? What a dick... Man, you really wake up on the wrong side of the bed somedays! Perhaps we should all pitch in and buy Larry some meditation classes or a massage or something...He is one of our more prolific contributors, and historical accuracy advisor and as such, should be kept in the best spirits as possible. His explosive outbursts can be alienating at times. (maybe, just maybe, someone would like to bid on the aforementioned item.) However, these outburst are occasional and CYCLICAL (loop content), further cementing my belief in the male "period". So don't take it personally... seeya, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 12:38:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08367; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:36:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:36:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:35:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Oberheim Digital Echoplex Pro w/ Footpedal & rack Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ohh I AM ANGRY AND MAD I LOOP YOU! I LOOP YOU HARD! > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 13:19:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08780; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:17:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:17:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:10:47 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Oberheim Digital Echoplex Pro w/ Footpedal & rack Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA08737 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What's up?! Regardless of whether the "dork" reads the group... don't we want to know when and where any looper might be for sale? I'm not so sure such unforgiving principles are reallyt working FOR us at this point... This could just as easily be regarded as a favor... Respectfully, -Miko >>> PedroFelix@worldnet.att.net 06/19 9:18 AM >>> Larry, luv ya, and appreciate the sentiment, but if he doesn't read the group then he won't get your post, do what I did, e-mail the dork directly. PedroOOrdeP From: Larry Tremblay Subject: Re: Oberheim Digital Echoplex Pro w/ Footpedal & rack >If you don't read this group, then > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Calyx Darkstorm" >To: >Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 1:44 AM >Subject: FS: Oberheim Digital Echoplex Pro w/ Footpedal & rack > > >> Its on ebay. I dont read this group so dont reply by posting here. >Bidding >> starts at $500 >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360899036 >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 13:22:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08924; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:20:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:20:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:19:13 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Oberheim Digital Echoplex Pro w/ Footpedal & rack Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I agree with Miko it is nice to know when these things are up for sale.. I actually may buy it thank you very much c Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > What's up?! Regardless of whether the "dork" reads the group... don't we want to know when and where any looper might be for sale? I'm not so sure such unforgiving principles are reallyt working FOR us at this point... This could just as easily be regarded as a favor... Respectfully, -Miko >>> PedroFelix@worldnet.att.net 06/19 9:18 AM >>> Larry, luv ya, and appreciate the sentiment, but if he doesn't read the group then he won't get your post, do what I did, e-mail the dork directly. PedroOOrdeP From: Larry Tremblay Subject: Re: Oberheim Digital Echoplex Pro w/ Footpedal & rack >If you don't read this group, then > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Calyx Darkstorm" >To: >Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 1:44 AM >Subject: FS: Oberheim Digital Echoplex Pro w/ Footpedal & rack > > >> Its on ebay. I dont read this group so dont reply by posting here. >Bidding >> starts at $500 >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360899036 >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 13:40:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09191; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:38:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:38:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <394ED552.DDF32727@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:22:10 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looper's Delight moved to a new server References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_ZAG3.A.IPC.MplT5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim just to let you know that the old archives are still full of 404 Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 13:53:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09377; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:51:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:51:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Re: Oberheim Digital Echoplex Pro w/ Footpedal & rack Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:45:21 -0500 Message-ID: <01bfda1e$85b88640$24cd580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mike and c, yes I agree and appreciate when folks from this here fine group post items they are selling, (case in point Keenan's Klein!), but I was really responding to what Larry posted (respond directly to the seller) and I feel the guy is a dork because his intro to the group showed he doesn't read this group, but is nonetheless interested in getting one of the group reader's money for an item he is selling, in my book he's a dork and like I said had no problem e-mailing him directly telling him same. Just my opinion not a point to debate. reverse the loop already! PedrOOrdeP -----Original Message----- From: magicicada@mindspring.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, June 19, 2000 12:22 PM Subject: Re: Re: Oberheim Digital Echoplex Pro w/ Footpedal & rack >I agree with Miko it is nice to know when these things are up for sale.. I actually may buy it >thank you very much >c >Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: >> What's up?! Regardless of whether the "dork" reads the group... don't we want to know when and where any looper might be for sale? I'm not so sure such unforgiving principles are reallyt working FOR us at this point... This could just as easily be regarded as a favor... >Respectfully, >-Miko > >>>> PedroFelix@worldnet.att.net 06/19 9:18 AM >>> >Larry, luv ya, and appreciate the sentiment, but if he doesn't read the >group then he won't get your post, do what I did, e-mail the dork directly. >PedroOOrdeP > >From: Larry Tremblay Subject: Re: Oberheim Digital Echoplex Pro w/ Footpedal >& rack > > >>If you don't read this group, then >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Calyx Darkstorm" >>To: >>Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 1:44 AM >>Subject: FS: Oberheim Digital Echoplex Pro w/ Footpedal & rack >> >> >>> Its on ebay. I dont read this group so dont reply by posting here. >>Bidding >>> starts at $500 >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360899036 >>> >>> ________________________________________________________________________ >>> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com >>> >>> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 14:08:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09553; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:05:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:05:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01bfda18$cbc32f60$5b22dacf@z8y9w0> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight moved to a new server Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:04:20 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Kim Flint" put forth: > Last week I moved Looper's Delight to a new server. It was a lot of work > and preparation actually, big sites like this aren't very easy to move > around. Everything went smoothly, and I'm quite happy that nobody seems to > have noticed any difference at all. :-) If you do happen to notice > anything weird, please let me know. The lights dimmed when I got into the search engine area. No wait, that was an LA brownout. :) > One immediate improvement is the search engine now works properly for the > mailing list archive. Feel free to go play with it... Yep, works just fine this morning - though unfortunately there would seem to be a limit of 50 on the number of retrieval items. Thanks Kim! Stephen Goodman * The free Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 14:22:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09747; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:20:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:20:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01bfda1b$84f27e80$3e310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <20000619054457.20042.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Larry's temper... Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:23:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, it's possible I am having my period. ;) But sometimes you just gotta call a dick a dick. No offense taken. - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 12:38 PM Subject: Larry's temper... > >If you don't read this group, then why the fuck are you > >posting eBay ad's here? What a dick... > > > Man, you really wake up on the wrong side of the bed somedays! > > Perhaps we should all pitch in and buy Larry some meditation classes or a > massage or something...He is one of our more prolific contributors, and > historical accuracy advisor and as such, should be kept in the best spirits > as possible. > > His explosive outbursts can be alienating at times. (maybe, just maybe, > someone would like to bid on the aforementioned item.) However, these > outburst are occasional and CYCLICAL (loop content), further cementing my > belief in the male "period". So don't take it personally... > > seeya, > > rich > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 14:26:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09902; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:24:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:24:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01bfda1c$1a170940$3e310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <01bfda1e$85b88640$24cd580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> Subject: Re: Re: Oberheim Digital Echoplex Pro w/ Footpedal & rack Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:28:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Since the horse isn't dead yet, I agree with Pedro's sentiments. The guy with the EDP swooped in like a vulture. I assume many of us at LD keep our eyes on eBay anyway, so it's not really such a community service for someone to pop in and advertise their wares. My opinion only. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pedro Felix" To: Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 2:45 PM Subject: Re: Re: Oberheim Digital Echoplex Pro w/ Footpedal & rack > Mike and c, yes I agree and appreciate when folks from this here fine group > post items they are selling, (case in point Keenan's Klein!), but I was > really responding to what Larry posted (respond directly to the seller) and > I feel the guy is a dork because his intro to the group showed he doesn't > read this group, but is nonetheless interested in getting one of the group > reader's money for an item he is selling, in my book he's a dork and like I > said had no problem e-mailing him directly telling him same. Just my opinion > not a point to debate. > reverse the loop already! PedrOOrdeP > > -----Original Message----- > From: magicicada@mindspring.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Monday, June 19, 2000 12:22 PM > Subject: Re: Re: Oberheim Digital Echoplex Pro w/ Footpedal & rack > > > >I agree with Miko it is nice to know when these things are up for sale.. I > actually may buy it > >thank you very much > >c > >Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > >> What's up?! Regardless of whether the "dork" reads the group... don't we > want to know when and where any looper might be for sale? I'm not so sure > such unforgiving principles are reallyt working FOR us at this point... This > could just as easily be regarded as a favor... > >Respectfully, > >-Miko > > > >>>> PedroFelix@worldnet.att.net 06/19 9:18 AM >>> > >Larry, luv ya, and appreciate the sentiment, but if he doesn't read the > >group then he won't get your post, do what I did, e-mail the dork directly. > >PedroOOrdeP > > > >From: Larry Tremblay Subject: Re: Oberheim Digital Echoplex Pro w/ > Footpedal > >& rack > > > > > >>If you don't read this group, then > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Calyx Darkstorm" > >>To: > >>Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 1:44 AM > >>Subject: FS: Oberheim Digital Echoplex Pro w/ Footpedal & rack > >> > >> > >>> Its on ebay. I dont read this group so dont reply by posting here. > >>Bidding > >>> starts at $500 > >>> > >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360899036 > >>> > >>> ________________________________________________________________________ > >>> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 14:28:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10054; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:26:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:26:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:18:21 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper's Delight moved to a new server In-reply-to: <003f01bfda18$cbc32f60$5b22dacf@z8y9w0> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:04 AM -0700 6/19/00, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: >> One immediate improvement is the search engine now works properly for the >> mailing list archive. Feel free to go play with it... > >Yep, works just fine this morning - though unfortunately there would seem to >be a limit of 50 on the number of retrieval items. you set that limit on the search engine page. There is a parameter called "max files returned" with a popup menu. I just did a search for "jamman" with it set to 1000 and it returned a 1000 pages.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 14:30:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10147; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:28:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:28:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:20:53 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper's Delight moved to a new server In-reply-to: <394ED552.DDF32727@vtx.ch> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Kim > >just to let you know that the old archives are still full of 404 > >Claude those haven't been maintained in years and hardly anybody ever goes to it. If anything, I'm more likely to just delete it altogether. the real archives are complete and much easier to navigate. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 14:32:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10390; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:30:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:30:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:29:58 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: re the re Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i feel special From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 16:08:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10788; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:06:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:06:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <394EF7EA.424C3B59@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:49:46 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looper's Delight moved to a new server References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim Flint wrote: > > those haven't been maintained in years and hardly anybody ever goes to it. > If anything, I'm more likely to just delete it altogether. the real > archives are complete and much easier to navigate. I did and there are excellent vibes and informations there.......... eh, ok, also... please rejuvenate the missing links merci Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 17:28:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11052; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:26:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:26:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <394E902A.49785CBD@dmans.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:27:06 -0500 From: "Mikell D.Nelson" Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Line 6 DL4 or Boomerang? References: <001001bfd563$1760ed50$53c6c7cf@stevelaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Steve, All Rangs are upgradeable to the V2.0 hardware/software upgrade. The upgrade will be released any day now. Due to a vendor problem, Rang production is halted for a couple of weeks. What this means is that when the upgrade is released, it will be available to current Rang owners, but it will be 5-6 weeks before we see any new Rangs with the upgrade. A description of the V2.0 features follows. Steve Rudolph wrote: > Well, I planned on buying a Boomerang by the end of this week until I saw > this. When are the v2.0 pedals coming out? Will the old ones be > upgradeable? > > > * The new Boomerang Phrase Sampler V2.0 software will have 2 > > independent loops with a couple of modes for transitioning between > > them. One mode, called AB1, smoothly transitions to loop B, plays it > > once, then goes back to playing loop A, all with one button press. > > > > * A higher sample rate has been added; original max was 16KHz, new > > max rate is 24KHz. This drops the sample time to 1 min 27 sec. While > > it's not CD quality, it's a lot crisper. > > > > * The stack button can be programmed to be either latching or > > momentary. > > > > * You can go directly from recording to stacking. Press record to > > start recording, then press stack to conclude recording and enter > > stack (overdub) mode. > > > > * There are 7 selectable decay rates. On the original the decay rate > > was fixed at about 2.3dB. The rates are as follows: 1 is no decay, 2 > > is the original rate (about 20-25 repeats), 3-6 are progressively > > quicker decays and are great when using the Rang as a pure delay, and > > 7 is slapback (1 repeat). The new decay rates & latching stack button > > make the Rang a great sounding digital delay with tap tempo. The foot > > roller becomes the delay level when used like this. > > > > * The record button can be programmed to behave as it does now or be > > disabled during playback. Some folks didn't want to worry about > > hitting it while adjusting the foot roller. > > > > * The half speed concept has been replaced by slow speed, and you > > have your choice of five. All are musically related to "normal" speed. > > The choices are down a 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th or octave. The pitch drops > > and the playback is slowed like the current software going to half > > speed. > > > > * This one is small, but an improvement. Originally, if you pressed > > once, the next press of play(stop) would stop the loop. Now you can > > transition between "continuous" play and play once mode. Confusing? > > Here's what you can do that you couldn't before. Start an existing > > loop with several stutters or re-starts and then smoothly transition > > into playing the loop repeatedly. > > > > * There are improvements on clicks that occasionally occur at loop > > boundaries, particularly when using the Rang in continuous reverse > > mode (live reverse lead mode). > > > > * And finally, we completed the button behavior. For example, in the > > original, if you were stacking, the reverse button didn't do anything. > > This and all other basic scenarios are fixed. Now you can be stacking > > additional parts and freely reverse direction. All the new features > > are ADDITIONS. That is, no original features, even the lower sampling > > rates, have been omitted or replaced. The once button shares duty as > > the loop A/B button. The reverse or stack buttons are held down to > > enter program mode. > > Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products 800-530-4699 PO Box 541595 214-340-6913, Outside USA Dallas, TX 75354-1595 214-343-1038, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com mnelson@dmans.com "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Phrase Sampler makes you play better." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 18:00:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11325; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:54:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:54:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <017901bfda38$a6248c20$766ea8c0@in.bootlegtv.com> From: "Travis Hartnett" To: References: Subject: Re: Oberheim Digital Echoplex Pro w/ Footpedal & rack Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:52:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't know--given that everyone on LD knows about the Alto discount, why would you want to buy a used on on Ebay for too much? $500 is the tops for what I'd pay for a used example of something I can buy new for about $750. TH > What's up?! Regardless of whether the "dork" reads the group... don't we want to know when and where any looper might be for sale? I'm not so sure such unforgiving principles are reallyt working FOR us at this point... This could just as easily be regarded as a favor... > > Respectfully, > -Miko > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 18:31:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11624; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:29:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:29:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <024901bfda3d$d0ee4680$d8eaa118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <002b01bfd6fa$e7b5c280$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Continuum 'fingerboard' controller Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:29:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com One trick that was published in the old MIDI Guitarist newsletter for fretless guitars was simply setting your MIDI sound module to chromatic (no pitch bend) mode. That way, a fretless guitarist could more easily alternate between those wonderfully expressive fretless solo lines and playing chords. If you are a microtonal player, just use your MIDI sound source's tuning tables for those non 12-ET chords. If it works on fretless guitar, it probably will work with this controller. Paolo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 2:52 PM Subject: Re: Continuum 'fingerboard' controller > Odd that you should mention this. > > Two weeks ago I got a chance to play this 'fingerboard'. I was attending a [snip] , > cello, clarinet, horn, trombone, etc. I found it hard to accurately (and > reproducibly) control the pitch. But I don't play fretless instruments. [BTW: From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 18:50:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11804; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:49:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:49:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <025501bfda40$a17625a0$d8eaa118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <20000615174150.28265.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> <005301bfd941$545f5a20$0100005a@ne.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Continuum 'fingerboard' controller Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:49:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <_LcrzB.A.93C.eMqT5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Shindler" To: Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 12:21 PM Subject: Re: Continuum 'fingerboard' controller > How cool. Is this thing in production? I didn't see any pricing info or > dealer locations on their site. It's kind of buried in the webpage, but there is pricing and ordering info on it. Basically, you'll be ordering direct from CERL. It ain't cheap! :) Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 19:33:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12129; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:29:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:29:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:28:15 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Oberheim Digital Echoplex Pro w/ Footpedal & rack Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA12082 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This dollar for dollar nit is kind of missing my point... we can be a negative, exclusionary group, or we can be positive and inclusive. I guess maybe my radar for offensive actions just isn't as finely tuned as it could be. Maybe the glass really is half empty... maybe we can all get into a really great rage about this. -Miko >>> tiktok@sprintmail.com 06/19 2:53 PM >>> > I don't know--given that everyone on LD knows about the Alto discount, why would you want to buy a used on on Ebay for too much? $500 is the tops for what I'd pay for a used example of something I can buy new for about $750. TH >> What's up?! Regardless of whether the "dork" reads the group... don't we want to know when and where any looper might be for sale? I'm not so sure such unforgiving principles are reallyt working FOR us at this point... This could just as easily be regarded as a favor... >> Respectfully, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 21:45:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12538; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:44:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:44:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01bfda59$8c70cb10$94310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: Oberheim Digital Echoplex Pro w/ Footpedal & rack Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:47:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> Maybe the glass really is half empty... maybe we can all get >> into a really great rage about >>this. Actually, the glass is half full... ...of dickheads. ;) Larry T > This dollar for dollar nit is kind of missing my point... we can be a negative, exclusionary group, or we can be positive and inclusive. I guess maybe my radar for offensive actions just isn't as finely tuned as it could be. Maybe the glass really is half empty... maybe we can all get into a really great rage about this. > > -Miko > > >>> tiktok@sprintmail.com 06/19 2:53 PM >>> > > I don't know--given that everyone on LD knows about the Alto discount, why would you want to buy a used on on Ebay for too much? $500 is the tops for what I'd pay for a used example of something I can buy new for about $750. TH > > >> What's up?! Regardless of whether the "dork" reads the group... don't we want to know when and where any looper might be for sale? I'm not so sure such unforgiving principles are reallyt working FOR us at this point... This could just as easily be regarded as a favor... > > >> Respectfully, -Miko > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 22:26:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12859; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:25:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:25:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005001bfda5e$c509d480$ef02fea9@pavilion> From: "hideo" To: References: <20000619054457.20042.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Larry's temper... Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:14:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com you think that's caustic, you should read some of his posts to Analogue Heaven . . . and FYI, that newsgroup has a virtual ban on eBay posts because of it's effect on "vintage" gear prices--posting an eBay heads-up there and you will be napalmed . . . anyway, I'm a massage therapist, but I think discretion might be the better part of valor when it comes to working on Larrry ( ;) ducking and running) drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ----- Original Message ----- From: rich To: Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 11:38 AM Subject: Larry's temper... > >If you don't read this group, then why the fuck are you > >posting eBay ad's here? What a dick... > > > Man, you really wake up on the wrong side of the bed somedays! > > Perhaps we should all pitch in and buy Larry some meditation classes or a > massage or something... SNIP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 19 22:26:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12854; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:25:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:25:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005101bfda5e$c614dbe0$ef02fea9@pavilion> From: "hideo" To: References: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight moved to a new server--THANKS! Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:19:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com THANKS for making this little hope chest of looping available again . . . and keeping this forum alive . . .even though I'm not a starry-eyed kid anymore, I've met (and not met) so many neat people here and have had my musical consciousness profoundly altered drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Flint To: Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 1:18 PM Subject: Re: Looper's Delight moved to a new server > >> One immediate improvement is the search engine now works properly for the > >> mailing list archive. Feel free to go play with it... > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 00:12:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13494; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:11:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:11:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <72.58cfd2.2680485c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:09:00 EDT Subject: hey larry! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com take your foul mouthed teenaged troglodite language to some other list, you fucking asshole.......oh just kidding............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 02:39:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13952; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 02:37:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 02:37:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01bfda81$edc96b60$9a23dacf@z8y9w0> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <72.58cfd2.2680485c@aol.com> Subject: Re: hey larry! Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:36:55 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Resent-Message-ID: <8E94hD.A.gZD.hExT5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's not often I quote Austin Powers, having only seen snippets of the first movie despite its pummeling airing last weekend on PBS, but, if you will, "Behave." Stephen Goodman * The free Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios Nemoguitt@aol.com extruded: > take your foul mouthed teenaged troglodite language to some other list, you > fucking asshole.......oh just kidding............michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 06:10:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14758; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 06:09:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 06:09:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006b01bfda97$14f0b760$9fd89b3e@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <394ED552.DDF32727@vtx.ch> Subject: Re: Looper's Delight moved to a new server Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:12:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Claude voit An: Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. Juni 2000 04:22 Betreff: Re: Looper's Delight moved to a new server > Kim Great work! Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 06:10:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14753; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 06:09:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 06:09:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006c01bfda97$1604e680$9fd89b3e@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <017f01bfda01$55a01440$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Subject: Re: EDP input gain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:19:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hallo Dennis, Thank you for responding i think you are probably the only one listening. What is an inline attenuator? This horrible digital distortion i get with the EDP i dont get it with the boomerang or other loop boxes so i definetly have to modify something else. thanks Luis > >I have already changed the resistors R10 to 22 kOhm and its certainly better > >but i still get distortion. > > Have you considered an inline attenuator on the EDP input cable? > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 06:10:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14755; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 06:09:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 06:09:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006a01bfda97$14413d80$9fd89b3e@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <20000619054457.20042.qmail@hotmail.com> <001d01bfda1b$84f27e80$3e310140@concentric.net> Subject: Re: Larry's temper... Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:10:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes but i am certainly not interested in reading someones personal menstrual problems its childish and rubbish and it makes people angry. Take it somewherelse! L.A. > Yes, it's possible I am having my period. ;) But > sometimes you just gotta call a dick a dick. > > No offense taken. > > - Larry T > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rich" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 12:38 PM > Subject: Larry's temper... > > > > >If you don't read this group, then why the fuck are you > > >posting eBay ad's here? What a dick... > > > > > > Man, you really wake up on the wrong side of the bed somedays! > > > > Perhaps we should all pitch in and buy Larry some meditation classes or a > > massage or something...He is one of our more prolific contributors, and > > historical accuracy advisor and as such, should be kept in the best > spirits > > as possible. > > > > His explosive outbursts can be alienating at times. (maybe, just maybe, > > someone would like to bid on the aforementioned item.) However, these > > outburst are occasional and CYCLICAL (loop content), further cementing my > > belief in the male "period". So don't take it personally... > > > > seeya, > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 10:06:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16121; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:00:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:00:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101bfdabf$9fea3bc0$ceda44d1@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <017f01bfda01$55a01440$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> <006c01bfda97$1604e680$9fd89b3e@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: EDP input gain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 06:58:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I too have input problems--an in line attenuater is a way of lowering the input--any mixer will do this too. Get a passive mixer from Radio Shack (I guess) or maybe a volume pedal before the EDP (I'll try that). Cheers and happy looping, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 10:37:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16404; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:33:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:33:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <023401bfdac4$5af5b300$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: EDP input gain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:32:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Luis! >What is an inline attenuator? What I mean is a passive device, usually built into a cable or simple box, that simply reduces the signal going through it. For example, a Shure A15AS is an inline attenuator for balanced mic lines (see http://www.shure.com/accessories/acc-problemsolvers.html ). The EDP uses an unbalanced input so you couldn't use an A15AS. I briefly searched the web for an unbalanced inline attenuator but could not find one. I'm sure they're available. Internally, they're simply a voltage divider: *------------+ | resistor1 input | +-----------* | resistor2 output | *-------------+-----------* If resistor1 = resistor2 then the signal is attenuated by half. Kim could probably suggest appropriate values for the resistors. >This horrible digital distortion i get with >the EDP i dont get it with the boomerang or other loop boxes so i definetly >have to modify something else. I find this surprising! I'd expect that your EDP's input sensitivity to be similar to your "boomerang or other loop boxes". It makes me think that something other than an excessive input level is causing the distortion. I'd try some experiments like placing the EDP in an effects loop of a mixer to make sure it's behaving properly. I'd also try other kinds of signals, like voice. Hope this helps! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 10:53:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16661; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:50:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:50:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <394F15E5.6C6B@altruistmusic.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:57:42 +0100 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@altruistmusic.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: New sounds and site updates from Andre LaFosse Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1u8nNB.A._DE.NS4T5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [WARNING -- This post has nothing to do with Larry's temper or mailing list archives!] Hello people, A few loopesque updates I'd like to offer forth: Many magazine and website reviews of my CD Disruption Theory have been uploaded to my site. There are now write-ups from the likes of MOJO, Outburn, Guitar Nine, Fuse Online, and... the United Nations FAO CASA Gazette?!?! Stranger than fiction, indeed... http://www.altruistmusic.com/press/ Online availability for the album has been greatly expanded over the last few months, and it's now available at cdnow, amazon, cdbaby, and other sites large and small. Check the shop page or the aforementioned sites for details... For those not familiar with the album, I'll simply say that it's a treatise on the line between sample-based and performance-based music. Tons of looping, of both the real-time and the programmed variety. For starters, I would suggest this clip, which features an Echoplex Digital Pro "solo": http://shoko.calarts.edu/~altruist/Theory1.mp3 I've also just added seven new non-album downloadable mp3 remixes, every single one built entirely off of loops. These include my own music, as well as outside collaborations. A full listing of the tracks is available at http://www.altruistmusic.com/sounds/ One that I'd specifically recommend to the list: -- "You Cannot Come Back (Trinary mix)" is, apart from the drum programming, built entirely off of guitar loops, many of them Echoplex-based. I'd especially point towards the very beginning of the track and the loop which enters at about 47 seconds in as alternatives to the "ambient guitar loop" mileu. (You can also hear this track at http://www.mp3.com/andrelafosse should you care to). Thanks for your time; we now return to your irregularly unscheduled list... Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 11:27:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16992; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:23:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:23:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006c01bfda97$1604e680$9fd89b3e@oemcomputer> References: <017f01bfda01$55a01440$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:28:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: EDP input gain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Folks, I have recieved a lot (read A LOT) of information from this list, and my thanks go out to everyone for contributing to my 'gearhead' madness. Now is the time for the dumb question regarding this input gain subject. Does the EDP not have an input level pot? I am a JamMan/DL4 user and am straddling the fence on buying the EDP. Being able to control the input level, mix, and output level is something i've become accustomed to with the jammie. What's the story with the Echoplex? >Hallo Dennis, >Thank you for responding i think you are probably the only one listening. >What is an inline attenuator? This horrible digital distortion i get with >the EDP i dont get it with the boomerang or other loop boxes so i definetly >have to modify something else. >thanks >Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 11:39:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17227; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:36:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:36:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:35:45 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Looper's Delight moved to a new server--THANKS! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA17197 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Tom! I agree about LD being not only a cool place to really discuss the complexities of looping, but a surprisingly dynamic community of folks attempting to make art in the real world. I've been lucky to meet more great musicians, and kind, generous people here than most other groups, virtual or in person. With the Santa Cruz Looper Jam coming up this sunday, I'm going to meet 12 or 13 more new players and have the chance to actually make music with them. Whew! Now that's a lot to give thanks for... -Miko >>> hideo@concentric.net 06/19 7:25 PM >>> THANKS for making this little hope chest of looping available again . . . and keeping this forum alive . . .even though I'm not a starry-eyed kid anymore, I've met (and not met) so many neat people here and have had my musical consciousness profoundly altered drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Flint To: Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 1:18 PM Subject: Re: Looper's Delight moved to a new server > >> One immediate improvement is the search engine now works properly for the > >> mailing list archive. Feel free to go play with it... > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 11:52:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17508; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:49:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:49:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:47:05 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: hey larry! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA17471 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You Go Michael! You getting into shit kickin' Bluezette mode here or what?! -mikonotmichael >>> Nemoguitt@aol.com 06/19 9:09 PM >>> take your foul mouthed teenaged troglodite language to some other list, you fucking asshole.......oh just kidding............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 12:00:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17758; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:57:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:57:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <026201bfdacf$efa92b70$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: EDP input gain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:55:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Does the EDP not have an input level pot? ... Yes! It has an input level pot. But I think that Luis is driving the EDP with a REALLY hot signal and so "runs out of room" on his input level. >... Being able to control the input >level, mix, and output level is something i've become accustomed to with >the jammie. What's the story with the Echoplex? It has all of the above. I have mine connected in a mixer effect loop, so I rarely mess with the EDP's controls. Download a complete manual from the New, Improved website (thanks, Kim!) and get the complete story: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html (Caution! Reading this manual may lead to an uncontrollable urge to purchase any available EDP!) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 12:08:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17982; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:04:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:04:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:00:33 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: EDP input gain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA17940 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It does have an input and output level, but It's been established pretty clearly that many of us believe there's not enough headroom and it's a very fine line between managing to stay clean and losing it and distorting. -miko >>> dennis@mdbs.com 06/20 8:55 AM >>> >Does the EDP not have an input level pot? ... Yes! It has an input level pot. But I think that Luis is driving the EDP with a REALLY hot signal and so "runs out of room" on his input level. >... Being able to control the input >level, mix, and output level is something i've become accustomed to with >the jammie. What's the story with the Echoplex? It has all of the above. I have mine connected in a mixer effect loop, so I rarely mess with the EDP's controls. Download a complete manual from the New, Improved website (thanks, Kim!) and get the complete story: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html (Caution! Reading this manual may lead to an uncontrollable urge to purchase any available EDP!) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 13:07:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18352; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:04:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:04:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:52:31 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: New sounds and site updates from Andre LaFosse In-reply-to: <394F15E5.6C6B@altruistmusic.com> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:57 PM -0700 6/19/00, Andre LaFosse wrote: >For those not familiar with the album, I'll simply say that it's a wanted to add - I just listened to Andre's album again the other day. It's really great! Bits of it are still in my head. Everybody should buy a copy. Nice work Andre! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 13:52:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18752; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:49:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:49:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:41:20 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP input gain In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com this is why the design was changed, and all units shipped for some time now have had this "fixed". This is all in the FAQ, BTW. kim At 9:00 AM -0700 6/20/00, Mike Biffle wrote: >It does have an input and output level, but It's been established pretty >clearly that many of us believe there's not enough headroom and it's a >very fine line between managing to stay clean and losing it and distorting. > >-miko > >>>> dennis@mdbs.com 06/20 8:55 AM >>> >>Does the EDP not have an input level pot? ... ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 13:52:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18745; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:49:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:49:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:38:34 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP input gain In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <006c01bfda97$1604e680$9fd89b3e@oemcomputer> <017f01bfda01$55a01440$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:28 AM -0700 6/20/00, rich wrote: >Hey Folks, > >I have recieved a lot (read A LOT) of information from this list, and my >thanks go out to everyone for contributing to my 'gearhead' madness. Now >is the time for the dumb question regarding this input gain subject. > >Does the EDP not have an input level pot? I am a JamMan/DL4 user and am >straddling the fence on buying the EDP. Being able to control the input >level, mix, and output level is something i've become accustomed to with >the jammie. What's the story with the Echoplex? yes, the echoplex has input, output, and mix control knobs. It is designed to easily handle up to +4dBu signal levels. This is why Luis' comments are a bit baffling, for two reasons. One, if he is clipping the input, whatever he is driving it with is WAY hotter than any typical signal. Very few pieces of gear are designed for signals beyond the +4dBu level, and many only support -10dBu line level signals. The obvious thing is to suggest he use standard signal levels. (what are you doing luis, plugging it into the speaker outputs of your power amp????) And second, there is an input gain knob right on the front panel of the plex! If you are clipping in the input, why not just turn the input gain down? I can't imagine why you would need any line attenuator before this. There is some confusion here because older units had a different gain structure at the input. In general, when you hear comments about this on the list, its from people with these older units. You don't hear it so much anymore, since it is easy to change. We originally let the input knob control enough gain to plug microphones or guitars in directly. This made the control rather sensitive for line and +4dBu signals, so you would need to have it way over counter-clockwise and it was a bit hard to set. (although it was still quite usable.) It was very flexible for a wide range of uses, and we thought that was a good idea. However, people couldn't figure this out, constantly set the input to where the knob "looked" right (at 10 :-), clipped the crap out of the digital side for the loops, and whined that the sound quality was bad. Apparently there is a collective mental block about turning the level DOWN sometimes to where it sounds right instead of setting it to 10 everywhere, and we were not able to change that attitude. So instead we eliminated this flexibility of the input, reduced the input control's gain a lot, thereby giving it a wider control range for line level signals. All new units ship this way. So far, this seems to make the Nigel Tufnel crowd happy, and nobody else complained either. For people with the older units, you can change this input gain easily if you want, by replacing a couple of resistors on the circuit board with different values. (note: you need to know how to solder to do this.) It's on the site: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#Anchor-47383 I think Luis actually did this mod to his unit, so another possibility there is he made a mistake somewhere and did the modification wrong. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 14:17:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19194; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:08:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:08:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:06:01 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: EDP input gain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA19146 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Kim... It seems like I've heard a number of comments from people who either bought units with this mod, or performed the mod, saying that they're still banging the ceiling. I pay pretty damn close attention when setting levels and certainly consider available headroom... maybe I AM suffering from Nigel Tufnel syndrome... mostly in the resonant filter and regenerating delays/flanger departments. Possibly a compressor in front of the EDP is the real answer here. Best, -Miko >>> kflint@annihilist.com 06/20 10:48 AM >>> this is why the design was changed, and all units shipped for some time now have had this "fixed". This is all in the FAQ, BTW. kim At 9:00 AM -0700 6/20/00, Mike Biffle wrote: >It does have an input and output level, but It's been established pretty >clearly that many of us believe there's not enough headroom and it's a >very fine line between managing to stay clean and losing it and distorting. > >-miko > >>>> dennis@mdbs.com 06/20 8:55 AM >>> >>Does the EDP not have an input level pot? ... ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 14:36:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19405; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:31:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:31:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:27:00 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP input gain In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I hear a lot more user comments than what appears on this list, and in general I've heard just the opposite. The gain changes fixed people's problems, and there has been practically no issue with this since the production change was made. When it didn't fix somebody's problem, it was pilot error. Once they had some help in how to set their gain properly, they were fine. it's pretty simple, if your loudest signal is clipping, turn it down. kim At 11:06 AM -0700 6/20/00, Mike Biffle wrote: >Hi Kim... > >It seems like I've heard a number of comments from people who either >bought units with this mod, or performed the mod, saying that they're >still banging the ceiling. > >I pay pretty damn close attention when setting levels and certainly >consider available headroom... maybe I AM suffering from Nigel Tufnel >syndrome... mostly in the resonant filter and regenerating delays/flanger >departments. Possibly a compressor in front of the EDP is the real answer >here. > >Best, >-Miko > >>>> kflint@annihilist.com 06/20 10:48 AM >>> >this is why the design was changed, and all units shipped for some time now >have had this "fixed". This is all in the FAQ, BTW. > >kim > >At 9:00 AM -0700 6/20/00, Mike Biffle wrote: >>It does have an input and output level, but It's been established pretty >>clearly that many of us believe there's not enough headroom and it's a >>very fine line between managing to stay clean and losing it and distorting. >> >>-miko >> >>>>> dennis@mdbs.com 06/20 8:55 AM >>> >>>Does the EDP not have an input level pot? ... > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 14:41:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19588; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:38:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:38:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:36:14 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: EDP input gain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA19523 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ummm... Ok boss. Maybe I need to get into my unit and see if it has the mod. -m >>> kflint@annihilist.com 06/20 11:29 AM >>> I hear a lot more user comments than what appears on this list, and in general I've heard just the opposite. The gain changes fixed people's problems, and there has been practically no issue with this since the production change was made. When it didn't fix somebody's problem, it was pilot error. Once they had some help in how to set their gain properly, they were fine. it's pretty simple, if your loudest signal is clipping, turn it down. kim At 11:06 AM -0700 6/20/00, Mike Biffle wrote: >Hi Kim... > >It seems like I've heard a number of comments from people who either >bought units with this mod, or performed the mod, saying that they're >still banging the ceiling. > >I pay pretty damn close attention when setting levels and certainly >consider available headroom... maybe I AM suffering from Nigel Tufnel >syndrome... mostly in the resonant filter and regenerating delays/flanger >departments. Possibly a compressor in front of the EDP is the real answer >here. > >Best, >-Miko > >>>> kflint@annihilist.com 06/20 10:48 AM >>> >this is why the design was changed, and all units shipped for some time now >have had this "fixed". This is all in the FAQ, BTW. > >kim > >At 9:00 AM -0700 6/20/00, Mike Biffle wrote: >>It does have an input and output level, but It's been established pretty >>clearly that many of us believe there's not enough headroom and it's a >>very fine line between managing to stay clean and losing it and distorting. >> >>-miko >> >>>>> dennis@mdbs.com 06/20 8:55 AM >>> >>>Does the EDP not have an input level pot? ... > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 15:57:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20024; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:52:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:52:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901bfdae8$7addfe60$dbd99b3e@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: "Kim Flint" Cc: "Loopers delight" Subject: Foot controller freAKING OUT! Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:50:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com HELLO KIM 2 QUESTIONS MY FOOT SWITCHER IS ACTING UP AGAIN I HAD IT CHECKED AND EVERY SWITCH SEEM TO BE OK BUT YESTERDAY AS I PRESSED NEXT LOOP IT SEEMS IT WOULD SEND 2 MESSAGES; PRESSING WOULD SEND ME TO LOOP 2 AND DEPRESSING TO LOOP 3. MANUALLY IT DOESNT DO IT.THIS IS THE SECOND TIME IT HAS HAPPENED TO ME. I´VE CHECKED THE CABLES. SORRY FOR ASKING YOU AGAIN ABOUT THIS ONE BUT I VE GOTTEN NO RESPONSE; IF I CHANGE RESISTORS 22K Ohm TO MORE WILL IT HELP THE HORRIBLE DIGITAL DISTORTION I AM GETTING? THANKS LUIS From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 15:58:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20051; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:54:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:54:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002801bfdae8$7a255cc0$dbd99b3e@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: "Loopers delight" Subject: gadget Labs Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:35:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com HEllo there, Has anyone worked with gadget labs yet?How is it in terms of quality and interface? thanks L.A. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 16:05:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20310; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:02:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:02:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ef01bfdaf3$18b0a0c0$f1d956d1@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: gadget Labs Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:06:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Not worked with them but hear they are great-true 24 bit pipeline and conversion- unlike the Layla- always improving drivers in-house- and the few times I called they responded quickly and I don't even own one (yet) Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Luis Angulo To: Loopers delight Date: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 12:56 PM Subject: gadget Labs >HEllo there, >Has anyone worked with gadget labs yet?How is it in terms of quality and >interface? >thanks >L.A. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 16:14:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20523; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:08:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:08:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:17:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: EDP input gain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I hear a lot more user comments than what appears on this list, and in >general I've heard just the opposite. The gain changes fixed people's >problems, and there has been practically no issue with this since the >production change was made. When it didn't fix somebody's problem, it was >pilot error. Once they had some help in how to set their gain properly, >they were fine. > >it's pretty simple, if your loudest signal is clipping, turn it down. >kim > One thing I've noticed, and believe has been mentioned on LD, is that the clipping is somewhat frequency dependent, in that high frequencies create more havoc. Makes sense given the nature of A/D conversion... Some settings on various multi-effects I've used, and one fuzzbox in particular, definitely needed the input gain turned down more than normal. In these cases the levels seemed very close, but the hi-frequency "skronk" (scientific, huh?) of the distorted/overdriven signal would make the Echoplex clip, and clip ugly. At any rate, the trick in those fairly rare cases was to turn down the input a little more. Best- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 16:42:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20783; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:40:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:40:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01a901bfdaf8$36869f00$94310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: , "Kim Flint" Cc: "Loopers delight" References: <002901bfdae8$7addfe60$dbd99b3e@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Foot controller freAKING OUT! Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:43:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Looks like your CAPS LOCK is freaking out too. Lamer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Angulo" To: "Kim Flint" Cc: "Loopers delight" Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 2:50 PM Subject: Foot controller freAKING OUT! > HELLO KIM > 2 QUESTIONS > MY FOOT SWITCHER IS ACTING UP AGAIN I HAD IT CHECKED AND EVERY SWITCH SEEM > TO BE OK BUT YESTERDAY AS I PRESSED NEXT LOOP IT SEEMS IT WOULD SEND 2 > MESSAGES; PRESSING WOULD SEND ME TO LOOP 2 AND DEPRESSING TO LOOP 3. > MANUALLY IT DOESNT DO IT.THIS IS THE SECOND TIME IT HAS HAPPENED TO ME. I´VE > CHECKED THE CABLES. > SORRY FOR ASKING YOU AGAIN ABOUT THIS ONE BUT I VE GOTTEN NO RESPONSE; IF I > CHANGE RESISTORS 22K Ohm TO MORE WILL IT HELP THE HORRIBLE DIGITAL > DISTORTION I AM GETTING? > THANKS > LUIS > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 16:52:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20964; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:50:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:50:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005c01bfdaf0$ab6b37c0$dbd99b3e@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <006c01bfda97$1604e680$9fd89b3e@oemcomputer><017f01bfda01$55a01440$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Subject: Re: EDP input gain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:48:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello there, Don´t want to bore you with this topic but i indeed bought one of the very first units new not used and been through a bit of hell just to get it to work like it should in the first place.I´ve been through it all; the unit overheating causing red lights to go on,horrible clipping distortion even with the input gain set low,the foot switches not working properly,problems with midi etc. that is why i am in this site.I was ready to sell it before i found this site and thanks to all of you i almost have it running normal.What still makes me angry that the sales people where i bought it knew about all of this but i was never told.They also knew i was living in Europe and they said that if i needed anything oberheim in europe would take care of it which isn´t true.I was just told how beautiful it is and it certainly is, when it works properly.I haven´t done the repairs myself because i am not an electro technician,just a musician.So i ve had unnecessary extra costs as well. I don´t believe i am running anything out of the ordinary through it. I ve mentioned my set up previously inviting helping suggestions. All i run through it is a GR 09 Synth, a korg A2 effector,a GP 100 and the echoplex is in the effects loop of my tube amplifier. I stopped using it live because of all of this and use the Boomerang instead. I still believe the EDP is a work of art and and one of this days when the problems stop right here at home i ll dare to take it out again, and you will probably not hear from me again. In the mean time i will unfortunately keep bothering you with the stupid technical questions! Luis > For people with the older units, you can change this input gain easily if > you want, by replacing a couple of resistors on the circuit board with > different values. (note: you need to know how to solder to do this.) It's > on the site: > http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#Anchor-47383 > > I think Luis actually did this mod to his unit, so another possibility > there is he made a mistake somewhere and did the modification wrong. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 17:08:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21231; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:06:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:06:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <038401bfdafc$1e6061f0$02b4f9d0@mecasw.com> From: "Ken M" To: Cc: References: <002901bfdae8$7addfe60$dbd99b3e@oemcomputer> <01a901bfdaf8$36869f00$94310140@concentric.net> Subject: Larry - what is your TRIP!? (Was re:Foot controller freAKING OUT!) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:11:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Larry -- What is your TRIP!!?!?!?!? What's up with going into teenager-has-nothing-better-to-do-but-be-obnoxious-and-frustrate-others-high -school mode? You slam people without cause, offering no help whatsoever, and flame the list for your own edification? What do YOU get out of flaming people, Larry? Why do you need to clutter our (usually very subjective and quite interesting) list with this crap twice in 2 days? Are you ok? Should we call for psychiatric help? Get a grip and cull that crap. We're not here for you to pick on, nor, I hope, are you here to just pick on people's mistakes.. We all make them, and we all have been new to a list at one time or another... Maybe you've been here too long and have the "This is MY house!" syndrome, but any way you look at it - you're being rude, offensive, and posting off-color remarks that are completely off-topic and unnecessary. Flame me PRIVATELY if you wish: wgold@mecasw.com but keep your bad attitude off the list unless it has USEFUL information. And this is NOT IMHO, this is ICS. "In COMMON Sense". I've administered lists like this in the past, and I CERTAINLY would have removed your foul mouthed, useless messages, and subsequently you from further list traffic. Not being the admin here, and having only 2 years reading this list and seen you actually being useful in the past I understand their letting you slide, but ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Tremblay" To: ; "Kim Flint" Cc: "Loopers delight" Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 4:43 PM Subject: Re: Foot controller freAKING OUT! Looks like your CAPS LOCK is freaking out too. Lamer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Angulo" To: "Kim Flint" Cc: "Loopers delight" Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 2:50 PM Subject: Foot controller freAKING OUT! > HELLO KIM > 2 QUESTIONS > MY FOOT SWITCHER IS ACTING UP AGAIN I HAD IT CHECKED AND EVERY SWITCH SEEM > TO BE OK BUT YESTERDAY AS I PRESSED NEXT LOOP IT SEEMS IT WOULD SEND 2 > MESSAGES; PRESSING WOULD SEND ME TO LOOP 2 AND DEPRESSING TO LOOP 3. > MANUALLY IT DOESNT DO IT.THIS IS THE SECOND TIME IT HAS HAPPENED TO ME. I´VE > CHECKED THE CABLES. > SORRY FOR ASKING YOU AGAIN ABOUT THIS ONE BUT I VE GOTTEN NO RESPONSE; IF I > CHANGE RESISTORS 22K Ohm TO MORE WILL IT HELP THE HORRIBLE DIGITAL > DISTORTION I AM GETTING? > THANKS > LUIS > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 17:16:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21638; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:14:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:14:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <394FDE70.AC048EA2@engin.umich.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:13:21 -0400 From: Darcy Clark Reply-To: darcyc@engin.umich.edu Organization: MSE, Umich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: OT : blocking email from certain addresses References: <002901bfdae8$7addfe60$dbd99b3e@oemcomputer> <01a901bfdaf8$36869f00$94310140@concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <82P4oC.A.xQF.v59T5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I know this is somewhat off-topic, but there must be others out there who are tired of reading bile-laden flames at newbies and other assorted diatribes from certain list members. I just found out that the Netscape mail reader lets you filter out messages from certain addresses or on certain topics straight into the trash....alright ! Don't email me for the how-to, but under Netscape 4.6 on Mac, the menu can found at "Edit/Message Filters". hope this helps someone. Darcy --------------------------------------------------- Ph: (734) 764 3377 Email: darcyc@engin.umich.edu URL: http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ --------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 18:24:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22120; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:23:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:23:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <28.73e2b58.2681485a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:21:14 EDT Subject: santa cruz goes loopy To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/20/00 2:36:48 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, mbiffle@svg.com writes: << With the Santa Cruz Looper Jam coming up this sunday, I'm going to meet 12 or 13 more new players and have the chance to actually make music with them. Whew! >> will this be broadcast on public television or what?.......how do we get a cd of this?.......who are the culprits?.......im sooo jellious!.......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 19:12:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22314; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:53:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:53:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <54.57d1210.26814f69@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:51:21 EDT Subject: Re: EDP input gain To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/20/00 4:49:30 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, kflint@annihilist.com writes: << Apparently there is a collective mental block about turning the level DOWN sometimes to where it sounds right instead of setting it to 10 everywhere, and we were not able to change that attitude. >> kim......who is the "we" in the above?.........and should i be worried........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 19:57:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22566; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:56:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:56:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000620235449.13588.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:54:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: EDP input gain To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Luis, If you are getting distortion with an EDP, just turn the input gain down. That is all it takes. If the output is then too low, then turn the output up higher to compensate. All changing the internal resistors do is to change the input gain structure. It does not change the overal signal to noise ratio of the edp, and does not change the dynamic range of the edp. The distortion occurs when your analog signal is to large for the adc to handle. If you have distortion you have too much input signal, period. Reduce the level of that signal either at the instrument, the mixer, or the edp input knob. Any of these actions will reduce the signal into the adc section of the edp, and will get rid of the distortion. As noted, high frequency signals will distort at a lower level than low/mid frequency signals. If a high frequency signal distorts, turn the input gain down. The answer is always the same. Distortion means you should turn down the input to the edp. If reducing the input to the edp does not remove the distortion, then something else is wrong, and changing the input gain resistors is not the fix. bret --- Luis Angulo wrote: > Hallo Dennis, > Thank you for responding i think you are probably > the only one listening. > What is an inline attenuator? This horrible digital > distortion i get with > the EDP i dont get it with the boomerang or other > loop boxes so i definetly > have to modify something else. > thanks > Luis > > > > > > >I have already changed the resistors R10 to 22 > kOhm and its certainly > better > > >but i still get distortion. > > > > Have you considered an inline attenuator on the > EDP input cable? > > > > Dennis Leas > > ----------------------------- > > dennis@mdbs.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 20:07:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22735; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:06:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:06:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000621000529.15302.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:05:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: EDP input gain To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If by headroom you mean dynamic range, then nothing you do is going to increase the headroom of the edp. I do not find the edp to have a "fine line between managing to stay clean and losing it and distorting". If the edp distorts, turn down the input level to the edp. Doing this does not make the recorded signal on the edp any less 'clean' it just lowers the level so that the edp does not distort. If you lower the input to the edp you may need to increase the output of the edp to maintain unity gain. bret --- Mike Biffle wrote: > It does have an input and output level, but It's > been established pretty clearly that many of us > believe there's not enough headroom and it's a very > fine line between managing to stay clean and losing > it and distorting. > > -miko > > >>> dennis@mdbs.com 06/20 8:55 AM >>> > >Does the EDP not have an input level pot? ... > > Yes! It has an input level pot. But I think that > Luis is driving the EDP with > a REALLY hot signal and so "runs out of room" on his > input level. > > >... Being able to control the input > >level, mix, and output level is something i've > become accustomed to with > >the jammie. What's the story with the Echoplex? > > It has all of the above. I have mine connected in a > mixer effect loop, so I > rarely mess with the EDP's controls. Download a > complete manual from the New, > Improved website (thanks, Kim!) and get the complete > story: > http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html > (Caution! Reading > this manual may lead to an uncontrollable urge to > purchase any available EDP!) > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 21:13:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23037; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:12:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:12:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3950439A.E6E2A016@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:24:59 -0700 From: SAW Reply-To: switters@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Remove References: <017f01bfda01$55a01440$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> <006c01bfda97$1604e680$9fd89b3e@oemcomputer> <003101bfdabf$9fea3bc0$ceda44d1@gary> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4RW7CD.A.WnF.nYBU5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I signed up for this list again hoping to participate in technical and > theoretical discussions of substance and value- all I've gotten for the past > week is idle chatter and now a useless flame war. Please remove me until some substance returns to this forum. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 21:41:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23226; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:40:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:40:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39501D45.475EC88F@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:41:30 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Remove References: <017f01bfda01$55a01440$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> <006c01bfda97$1604e680$9fd89b3e@oemcomputer> <003101bfdabf$9fea3bc0$ceda44d1@gary> <3950439A.E6E2A016@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com SAW wrote: > > I signed up for this list again hoping to participate in technical and > > theoretical discussions of substance and value- all I've gotten for the past > > week is idle chatter and now a useless flame war. > > Please remove me until some substance returns to this forum. gee, you must subscribe to some amazing lists. the ones i've been involved in tend to ebb and flow relative to what interests me. flame wars do happen, but usually they don't last too long. maybe you should stick around for awhile and see what develops (or search the archives to get a sense of where the list has been). although, on second thought, since judging by your request you haven't taken the time to figure out how to unsubscribe, an archive search is probably too much trouble. lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 21:55:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23405; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:53:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:53:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000621015230.4007.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.148.1.172] From: "Peter Underwood" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Steinberger/Klein GK series guitars Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:52:30 MST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Since I see there are a lot of Klein fans fere, I tought that this would be as good a place as any to ask... In the early 90's Steinberger collaborated with luthier Steve Klein on a series of guitars they called the GK series (I just recently acquired a used GK4T, but don't know a thing about it). They looked like the traditional Klein electric guitars but were made at the Steinberger factory, with Steinberger parts and distributed through Steinberger(/Gibson?). Does anyone have any information about these guitars? History, features, materials, options available, reviews, how much they cost when new, how much they are worth now, how many were made, how easy are they to find? Any information would be helpful, I can't find any references on the net and Steinberger hasn't answered my emails. -Skully ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 22:01:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23657; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:00:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:00:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000620185917.01a83540@mail.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@mail.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:59:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Subject: Re: Steinberger/Klein GK series guitars In-Reply-To: <20000621015230.4007.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This link might help. http://www.edromanguitars.com/home_stb.htm At 06:52 PM 6/20/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Since I see there are a lot of Klein fans fere, I tought that this would be as good a place as any to ask... > >In the early 90's Steinberger collaborated with luthier Steve Klein on a series of guitars they called the GK series (I just recently acquired a used GK4T, but don't know a thing about it). They looked like the traditional Klein electric guitars but were made at the Steinberger factory, with Steinberger parts and distributed through Steinberger(/Gibson?). Does anyone have any information about these guitars? History, features, materials, options available, reviews, how much they cost when new, how much they are worth now, how many were made, how easy are they to find? Any information would be helpful, I can't find any references on the net and Steinberger hasn't answered my emails. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 22:32:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23919; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:30:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:30:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:35:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: Re: Wow (EDP build quality) MIKO Resent-Message-ID: <-W62nB.A.E1F.IiCU5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On 6/16/00 Miko Said: >I bought one of the last batch Oberheim made before the shutdown from Alto >music... What is the shutdown Miko. I am on their waiting list? patrick From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 20 22:44:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24094; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:43:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:43:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Steinberger/Klein GK series guitars Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:37:24 -0500 Message-ID: <01bfdb32$03e74880$d1ca580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Skully, I have a one page info/spec sheet when the GK4T model was released, here are the specs listed: construction: bolt on neck neck: Steinberger Blend reinforced composite fingerboard: phenolic number of fret: 24 scale length: 25 1/2 inches (64.7 cm) width at zero fret: 1 5/8 inches (4.1 cm) tuning hardware: headless Double-Ball micrometer system pickup: 2 EMG SA humbuckers (neck and center position 1 EMG 85 humbucker (bridge position) controls: volume, tone, 3-way pickup selector overall length: 31 1/2 inches (77 cm) weight: 7 1/2 lbs (3.5 kg) standard finishes: Gloss Black or Pear White options: TransTrem below that is a short blurb from a Guitar Player review from February 1990. The address listed below that is for the Steinberger Sound Corporation in Newburgh. I remember getting this when I was ordering my Steinberger at Manny's in NYC in the summer of 1990, I looked it over and kept it like I do with most things that I find a little interesting. I believe the price was a bit more that the L Steinbergers, but not by much. I think you've got a real find, but i'm not sure as to how many were made et cetera. Hope it has a happy home. PedrOOrdeP -----Original Message----- From: Peter Underwood Subject: Steinberger/Klein GK series guitars >In the early 90's Steinberger collaborated with luthier Steve Klein on a >series of guitars they called the GK series (I just recently acquired a used >GK4T, but don't know a thing about it). They looked like the traditional >Klein electric guitars but were made at the Steinberger factory, with >Steinberger parts and distributed through Steinberger(/Gibson?). Does anyone >have any information about these guitars? History, features, materials, >options available, reviews, how much they cost when new, how much they are >worth now, how many were made, how easy are they to find? Any information >would be helpful, I can't find any references on the net and Steinberger >hasn't answered my emails. > >-Skully > > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 01:25:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24486; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:23:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:23:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Remove Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:17:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3950439A.E6E2A016@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com No comment. By the way, Switters, did you ever hear of following instructions on how to unsubscribe? How did you EVER subscribe to this list? | -----Original Message----- | From: SAW [mailto:switters@earthlink.net] | Sent: Tuesday 20 June 2000 9:25 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Remove | | | > I signed up for this list again hoping to participate in technical and | > theoretical discussions of substance and value- all I've | gotten for the past | > week is idle chatter and now a useless flame war. | | Please remove me until some substance returns to this forum. | | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 02:12:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24709; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 02:11:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 02:11:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000621061111.12334.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:11:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert K Subject: EH-16 sale To: loopers -delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've got an EH-16 (freshly refurbed and working perfectly) up for grabs in the San Ramon area, if your intrested email me at kolosoro@powerup.com.au and we can arrange a test drive. thanks, Robert __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 03:23:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25013; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 03:22:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 03:22:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01bfdb48$d92879e0$d99cb8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <023401bfdac4$5af5b300$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Subject: Re: EDP input gain.Thanks Dennis! Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:13:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <_3_FYD.A.YGG.ZzGU5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > If resistor1 = resistor2 then the signal is attenuated by half. Kim could > probably suggest appropriate values for the resistors. Hi Dennis, Thanks once again for writting.Yes this is exactly what i ve been asking Kim. I ´ve already changed the original resistors to 22K Ohm so i am wondering if changing them to more would help.I am not running anything unusual just the GR 09,Korg A2 and GP 100. The echoplex is in fact in the effects loop of my amp.The input knob is at about 11 o´clock and the levels of the effect processors are right at 12 o´clock. the Korg usually shows me a red signal if i am running something hot.This starts happening usually after a couple of overdubs. Take care! Luis > > I find this surprising! I'd expect that your EDP's input sensitivity to be > similar to your "boomerang or other loop boxes". It makes me think that > something other than an excessive input level is causing the distortion. I'd > try some experiments like placing the EDP in an effects loop of a mixer to make > sure it's behaving properly. I'd also try other kinds of signals, like voice. > > Hope this helps! > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 04:49:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA25579; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:47:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:47:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: <60.443afef.2681dacb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:46:03 EDT Subject: Re: OT: gadget Labs To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hola, Luis, Mucho gusto! They have some pretty happening equipment, especially if you're big into the Windows environment and like me, like to run multiple OS' or variations of an OS. Found that NT4.0 was the best bet vs. '98, haven't tried it out on 2000. With the Gadget Labs equipment, you do have to watch out if you plan on going from the computer to an ADAT or series of ADAT's as each ADAT is gonna chew up 8 of your output tracks. (The MOTU doesn't treat the ADAT as another interface, thankfully, however, the software portion isn't quite as happening.) I, also don't own one, as I went with MOTU (8 track beastie) and in some cases I've slightly regretted the decision as I'm locked to using Windows 98, only. Now, the one thing I've heard constantly is that they've been having problems with the hardware aspect of their card, mostly not fitting into the PCI slot or the distance between PCI slot and the back plate not being the proper length (this is frequently a very minor issue involving just a small bit of bending of the back plate of a card). Also been hearing issues that are definitely Windows 98 related (need to totally blow away the box if an attempt with the initial release of Windows 98 was used, otherwise the card won't EVER install). Also the OSR releases of an OS seemed to take care of the issues concerning system lockups with Windows 98, too. Service Pack 5 for whatever reason (should really only affect a system's NIC's, and RAS, but you know...) seems to have fixed one of the issues with NT, concerning the card disappearing from time to time and if you were really hitting it with too much information at one go (i.e., burying the signal levels in the maximums) then you got a pleasant bsod. Which was fixed by rebooting and cleaning out *.tmp and *.dmp files pretty quickly and then shutting down, and then powering up, again. One thing that helps out with all of these products is to keep everything SCSI, keep multiple HDD's (one of which should be the recording media, and the second should be editing media, outside of any drives for OS and applications). Also keep the drives spotlessly clean (lots of defrags and chkdsk's or scandisks) and all of the same type/manufacturer, is a majour help. Anywho hope this helps out a touch, 'tis time to go to work... Tap on, loop extended, gliss out, LeeohkinoWired. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 08:45:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25984; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:43:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:43:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39504D51.BF7D6C7D@dial.pipex.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 06:06:25 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock Organization: smtp.dial.pipex.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Inverted gear snobbery References: <200006210155.VAA23469@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was doing a gig with my cmputer the other day. It's taken me ages to get the technical side just right -latency issues etc - not to metion the actual compostition /improvisation of the music. Well, all went well until, after I'd stopped playing this guy came up to me, looked down disparagingly at my set up and declared, "computer music huh?' another guy on another occasion said "wow those tones you got were amazing - but I suppose it was the computer doing it all". Well I'm rather proud of the sounds I use as a source, (heavily modified guitar with a few secret playing tachniques - not to mention the actual music) but the fact that I use a pretty basic computer seems to detract from the music itself. I know some of you people use rather impressive racks - have you found this? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 10:01:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26368; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:58:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:58:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <03d501bfdb89$5f8c0e80$02b4f9d0@mecasw.com> From: "Ken M" To: References: <200006210155.VAA23469@hemlock.violacea.com> <39504D51.BF7D6C7D@dial.pipex.com> Subject: Apology Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:02:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry loopers.. I got hot under the collar last night when reading yet another flame at another newbie and should not have posted that last message. It was like trying to put a fire out with gasoline, and was the wrong way to go about venting my frustrations. Larry - my apologies, but please be civil mmm'kay? Ken From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 10:42:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26587; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:40:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:40:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007c01bfdb8e$f1a19240$63310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <200006210155.VAA23469@hemlock.violacea.com> <39504D51.BF7D6C7D@dial.pipex.com> <03d501bfdb89$5f8c0e80$02b4f9d0@mecasw.com> Subject: Re: Apology Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:42:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Larry - my apologies, but please be civil mmm'kay? Ken has been magnanimous in this regard. Perhaps I've been too hard on newbies and others who, through sheer repetition, I personally find annoying and downright idiotic. I'll adjust the sensitivity on my BS detector, and let out a little slack. Civilly, - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken M" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 10:02 AM Subject: Apology > Sorry loopers.. > > I got hot under the collar last night when reading yet another flame at > another newbie and should not have posted that last message. It was like > trying to put a fire out with gasoline, and was the wrong way to go about > venting my frustrations. > > Larry - my apologies, but please be civil mmm'kay? > > Ken > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 11:46:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26843; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:41:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:41:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:39:34 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Wow (EDP build quality) MIKO Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA26794 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Don't you remember when OBERHEIM was making them? They shut down and Trace-Elliot took over. This is ANCIENT history... I'm sorry I mentioned it. Gotta say the list content does kind of suck these days. -Miko >>> patrick@his.com 06/20 7:29 PM >>> On 6/16/00 Miko Said: >I bought one of the last batch Oberheim made before the shutdown from Alto >music... What is the shutdown Miko. I am on their waiting list? patrick From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 12:02:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27046; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:55:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:55:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3950E55E.29B24768@minds-eye.org> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:55:10 -0400 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: new list content? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6TbuzD.A.ImG.MVOU5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Gotta say the list content does kind of suck these days. Well then, perhaps a question might be in order to liven things up. Is anyone here involved in controlling VISUAL elements along with the musical in their performances? If so, want to detail what you do and how you're controlling things (recommendations, what is the visual equivalent of the EDP, etc.)? Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 12:27:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27267; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:22:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:22:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3950EBD8.411FC66D@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:22:48 -0700 From: Jim Poppen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: new list content? (visual elements) References: <3950E55E.29B24768@minds-eye.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'll second Kevin's question, and encourage those that have some experience to talk about visuals with music (w/ or w/out loops). Isn't it a pain to carry around all that extra gear??? The idea of having visuals seems to hold the possibility of exponentially upping the entertainment factor. Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > > Gotta say the list content does kind of suck these days. > > Well then, perhaps a question might be in order to liven things up. Is anyone here involved in controlling VISUAL elements along with the musical in their performances? If so, want to detail what you do > and how you're controlling things (recommendations, what is the visual equivalent of the EDP, etc.)? > > Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 12:29:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27425; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:28:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:28:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <040401bfdb9e$679d9700$02b4f9d0@mecasw.com> From: "Ken M" To: References: <3950E55E.29B24768@minds-eye.org> Subject: Re: new list content? Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:33:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com During my live segments, I have a projector playing out 3D images who pulse and transform to the music.. (Which is to say that certain frequencies excite certain details of the 3D scene and cause changes.) It's marketed as a WinBlows screensaver, but the amount of conditions and settings and oscillations make it an excellent visual play-toy for people's already wandering minds to lock in on... (It also helps because watching someone play a loop is like dancing about architecture..) I wrote the author and he readily gave his permission to use it in live performances. I would do the same if I were to set it up for display. It's a great visual gadget. Check out: http://www.synthesoft.com/psych/psych.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 11:55 AM Subject: new list content? > > Gotta say the list content does kind of suck these days. > > Well then, perhaps a question might be in order to liven things up. Is anyone here involved in controlling VISUAL elements along with the musical in their performances? If so, want to detail what you do > and how you're controlling things (recommendations, what is the visual equivalent of the EDP, etc.)? > > Kevin > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 12:49:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27634; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:48:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:48:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <040401bfdb9e$679d9700$02b4f9d0@mecasw.com> References: <3950E55E.29B24768@minds-eye.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:52:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Video Projections and Loops (was new list content) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all, I found this projection interesting. Can you tell me what type of projector and interface to the computer that you are using? was it expensive? thanks, rich >During my live segments, I have a projector playing out 3D images who pulse >and transform to the music.. >(Which is to say that certain frequencies excite certain details of the 3D >scene and cause changes.) > >It's marketed as a WinBlows screensaver, but the amount of conditions and >settings and oscillations make it an excellent visual play-toy for people's >already wandering minds to lock in on... (It also helps because watching >someone play a loop is like dancing about architecture..) > >I wrote the author and he readily gave his permission to use it in live >performances. I would do the same if I were to set it up for display. It's >a great visual gadget. > >Check out: http://www.synthesoft.com/psych/psych.htm > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 11:55 AM >Subject: new list content? > > >> > Gotta say the list content does kind of suck these days. >> >> Well then, perhaps a question might be in order to liven things up. Is >anyone here involved in controlling VISUAL elements along with the musical >in their performances? If so, want to detail what you do >> and how you're controlling things (recommendations, what is the visual >equivalent of the EDP, etc.)? >> >> Kevin >> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 13:01:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27819; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:58:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:58:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005801bfdba2$71fdb320$5f7b79a5@cliff> From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Subject: Re: new list content? Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:02:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello- I am very interested in what type of projector you use and the cost of it- I recently saw an incredible show at MOCA here in L.A. by (I forgot his nameee....damn) who used tons of small lcd projectors by Sony and Toshiba- they were awesome- I need to price them- but what do you use and did it cost a small fortune? Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Ken M To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 9:31 AM Subject: Re: new list content? >During my live segments, I have a projector playing out 3D images who pulse >and transform to the music.. >(Which is to say that certain frequencies excite certain details of the 3D >scene and cause changes.) > >It's marketed as a WinBlows screensaver, but the amount of conditions and >settings and oscillations make it an excellent visual play-toy for people's >already wandering minds to lock in on... (It also helps because watching >someone play a loop is like dancing about architecture..) > >I wrote the author and he readily gave his permission to use it in live >performances. I would do the same if I were to set it up for display. It's >a great visual gadget. > >Check out: http://www.synthesoft.com/psych/psych.htm > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 11:55 AM >Subject: new list content? > > >> > Gotta say the list content does kind of suck these days. >> >> Well then, perhaps a question might be in order to liven things up. Is >anyone here involved in controlling VISUAL elements along with the musical >in their performances? If so, want to detail what you do >> and how you're controlling things (recommendations, what is the visual >equivalent of the EDP, etc.)? >> >> Kevin >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 13:15:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27994; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:12:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:12:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <038801bfdba3$bbdcb8a0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: new list content? (visual elements) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:11:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I'll second Kevin's question, and encourage those that have some >experience to talk about visuals with music (w/ or w/out loops). ... One of my playing contexts is with an organization named TransSonic Music. This is an improvisation group currently consisting of three musicians (guitar, keyboard, percussion), two verbalizers (spoken word, spoken word/singing), two dancers, and one videographer. So most of the visual focus is on the dancers and video. The videographer keeps trying different equipment. She's been using pretty basic stuff - VCRs, projector, screen - and concentrating more on the visual context. For example, she had a tape of the dancers from another show which she projected onto the live dancers. Sometimes during a show, each performer does a solo presentation or we have duets (video/percussion, etc), trios, etc. I really like shifting from one medium to another. >... Isn't >it a pain to carry around all that extra gear??? Actually, the dancers are rather small and tend to be self-powered... :) ... plus they're real troopers and help me carry MY stuff! I've got a few CD-Rs of part of our first show, if anybody is interested. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 13:24:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28165; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:21:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:21:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3950F8E3.91DD16FB@best.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:18:27 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Wow (EDP build quality) MIKO References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mike, I believe that Patrick thought you were talking about an Alto shutdown. The statement: "I bought one of the last batch Oberheim made before the shutdown from Alto music" is a little confusing. It might make more sense worded this way: "I bought from Alto one of the last EDP's made by Oberheim before Oberheim shutdown." -Allan Mike Biffle wrote: > Don't you remember when OBERHEIM was making them? They shut down and Trace-Elliot took over. This is ANCIENT history... I'm sorry I mentioned it. Gotta say the list content does kind of suck these days. > > -Miko > > >>> patrick@his.com 06/20 7:29 PM >>> > On 6/16/00 Miko Said: > > >I bought one of the last batch Oberheim made before the shutdown from Alto > >music... > > What is the shutdown Miko. I am on their waiting list? > > patrick From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 13:28:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28235; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:23:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:23:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003901bfdba5$3c9a5fa0$8432dacf@z8y9w0> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <200006210155.VAA23469@hemlock.violacea.com> <39504D51.BF7D6C7D@dial.pipex.com> Subject: Re: Inverted gear snobbery Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:22:10 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Every time I've had my PC out there - whether doing sound-sync to graphics, or just recording our output - some wag has always for some reason come up and asked, "You do MIDI with that, right?" I try to be kind and say, "No, it's all Real Live," to quote one of John Sebastian's albums. Stephen Goodman * The free Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth Whittock" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 22:06 Subject: Re: Inverted gear snobbery > I was doing a gig with my cmputer the other day. It's taken me ages to get the technical side just right -latency issues etc - not to metion the actual compostition /improvisation of the music. Well, all went well until, after I'd stopped playing this guy came up to me, looked down > disparagingly at my set up and declared, "computer music huh?' another guy on another occasion said "wow those tones you got were amazing - but I suppose it was the computer doing it all". > Well I'm rather proud of the sounds I use as a source, (heavily modified guitar with a few secret playing tachniques - not to mention the actual music) but the fact that I use a pretty basic computer seems to detract from the music itself. > I know some of you people use rather impressive racks - have you found this? > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 13:29:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28415; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:25:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:25:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004901bfdba5$83e87680$8432dacf@z8y9w0> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <3950E55E.29B24768@minds-eye.org> <040401bfdb9e$679d9700$02b4f9d0@mecasw.com> Subject: Re: new list content? Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:24:09 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yep, I admit it - I use the Psychedelic Screen Saver as well for these displays. Actually, Korn used it in the '98 MTTV music awards, though nobody noticed much. I was the one who called it to Synthesoft's attention...! :) And to think there are people who think Windows sucks. Shame on you. Stephen Goodman * The free Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken M" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 09:33 Subject: Re: new list content? > During my live segments, I have a projector playing out 3D images who pulse > and transform to the music.. > (Which is to say that certain frequencies excite certain details of the 3D > scene and cause changes.) > > It's marketed as a WinBlows screensaver, but the amount of conditions and > settings and oscillations make it an excellent visual play-toy for people's > already wandering minds to lock in on... (It also helps because watching > someone play a loop is like dancing about architecture..) > > I wrote the author and he readily gave his permission to use it in live > performances. I would do the same if I were to set it up for display. It's > a great visual gadget. > > Check out: http://www.synthesoft.com/psych/psych.htm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 11:55 AM > Subject: new list content? > > > > > Gotta say the list content does kind of suck these days. > > > > Well then, perhaps a question might be in order to liven things up. Is > anyone here involved in controlling VISUAL elements along with the musical > in their performances? If so, want to detail what you do > > and how you're controlling things (recommendations, what is the visual > equivalent of the EDP, etc.)? > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 13:34:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28413; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:25:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:25:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:23:07 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Wow (EDP build quality) MIKO Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA28238 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My problem is that I've already answered THAT same question on the list. Whatever. As for loop content... I'm hosting a looping jam among west coast LD'ers sunday... which I'm very excited and positive about. It just seems like a lot of administrivia and crap lately, and I'm getting tired of it. Maybe it's time to take a break. -Miko >>> ahoeltje@best.com 06/21 10:19 AM >>> Mike, I believe that Patrick thought you were talking about an Alto shutdown. The statement: "I bought one of the last batch Oberheim made before the shutdown from Alto music" is a little confusing. It might make more sense worded this way: "I bought from Alto one of the last EDP's made by Oberheim before Oberheim shutdown." -Allan Mike Biffle wrote: > Don't you remember when OBERHEIM was making them? They shut down and Trace-Elliot took over. This is ANCIENT history... I'm sorry I mentioned it. Gotta say the list content does kind of suck these days. > > -Miko > > >>> patrick@his.com 06/20 7:29 PM >>> > On 6/16/00 Miko Said: > > >I bought one of the last batch Oberheim made before the shutdown from Alto > >music... > > What is the shutdown Miko. I am on their waiting list? > > patrick From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 13:40:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28922; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:35:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:35:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000621173338.13027.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:33:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: EDP input gain.Thanks Dennis! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --- Luis Angulo wrote: The input knob is at about 11 > o´clock and the levels > of the effect processors are right at 12 o´clock. What is the setting of the EDP input? bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 14:34:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29177; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:31:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:31:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <044c01bfdbaf$96bb72d0$02b4f9d0@mecasw.com> From: "Ken M" To: References: <005801bfdba2$71fdb320$5f7b79a5@cliff> Subject: Re: new list content? Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:36:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The guy who does my video presentation has an RCA projector (don't know the model), the kind you see in bored rooms and the like. It works on a standard computer signal and produces a 640x480 or 800x600 video projections. They have newer ones that can do higher res as well. I believe he said the cost was (to me) prohibitive -- $2000+ I just am lucky to know someone who has one. I'm SURE there are more inexpensive ones, but you may sacrifice quality and clarity. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 1:02 PM Subject: Re: new list content? > Hello- I am very interested in what type of projector you use and the cost > of it- I recently saw an incredible show at MOCA here in L.A. by (I forgot > his nameee....damn) who used tons of small lcd projectors by Sony and > Toshiba- they were awesome- I need to price them- but what do you use and > did it cost a small fortune? > Cliff > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken M > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 9:31 AM > Subject: Re: new list content? > > > >During my live segments, I have a projector playing out 3D images who pulse > >and transform to the music.. > >(Which is to say that certain frequencies excite certain details of the 3D > >scene and cause changes.) > > > >It's marketed as a WinBlows screensaver, but the amount of conditions and > >settings and oscillations make it an excellent visual play-toy for people's > >already wandering minds to lock in on... (It also helps because watching > >someone play a loop is like dancing about architecture..) > > > >I wrote the author and he readily gave his permission to use it in live > >performances. I would do the same if I were to set it up for display. > It's > >a great visual gadget. > > > >Check out: http://www.synthesoft.com/psych/psych.htm > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 11:55 AM > >Subject: new list content? > > > > > >> > Gotta say the list content does kind of suck these days. > >> > >> Well then, perhaps a question might be in order to liven things up. Is > >anyone here involved in controlling VISUAL elements along with the musical > >in their performances? If so, want to detail what you do > >> and how you're controlling things (recommendations, what is the visual > >equivalent of the EDP, etc.)? > >> > >> Kevin > >> > >> > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 14:40:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29341; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:37:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:37:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:37:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: new list content? Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have heard that dancing about architecture quote beofre..where was it? Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > The guy who does my video presentation has an RCA projector (don't know themodel), the kind you see in bored rooms and the like. It works on a standard computer signal and produces a 640x480 or 800x600 video projections. They have newer ones that can do higher res as well. I believe he said the cost was (to me) prohibitive -- $2000+ I just am lucky to know someone who has one. I'm SURE there are more inexpensive ones, but you may sacrifice quality and clarity. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 1:02 PM Subject: Re: new list content? > Hello- I am very interested in what type of projector you use and the cost > of it- I recently saw an incredible show at MOCA here in L.A. by (I forgot > his nameee....damn) who used tons of small lcd projectors by Sony and > Toshiba- they were awesome- I need to price them- but what do you use and > did it cost a small fortune? > Cliff > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken M > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 9:31 AM > Subject: Re: new list content? > > > >During my live segments, I have a projector playing out 3D images who pulse > >and transform to the music.. > >(Which is to say that certain frequencies excite certain details of the 3D > >scene and cause changes.) > > > >It's marketed as a WinBlows screensaver, but the amount of conditions and > >settings and oscillations make it an excellent visual play-toy for people's > >already wandering minds to lock in on... (It also helps because watching > >someone play a loop is like dancing about architecture..) > > > >I wrote the author and he readily gave his permission to use it in live > >performances. I would do the same if I were to set it up for display. > It's > >a great visual gadget. > > > >Check out: http://www.synthesoft.com/psych/psych.htm > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 11:55 AM > >Subject: new list content? > > > > > >> > Gotta say the list content does kind of suck these days. > >> > >> Well then, perhaps a question might be in order to liven things up. Is > >anyone here involved in controlling VISUAL elements along with the musical > >in their performances? If so, want to detail what you do > >> and how you're controlling things (recommendations, what is the visual > >equivalent of the EDP, etc.)? > >> > >> Kevin > >> > >> > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 14:49:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29501; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:46:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:46:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39510DE0.2C191647@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:48:07 -0700 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: new list content? References: <3950E55E.29B24768@minds-eye.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > Gotta say the list content does kind of suck these days. > > Well then, perhaps a question might be in order to liven things up. Is anyone here involved in controlling VISUAL elements along with the musical in their performances? If so, want to detail what you do > and how you're controlling things (recommendations, what is the visual equivalent of the EDP, etc.)? > > Kevin great question. i'm not, personally, but i'd like to be. anyone have any experience w/ Image/ine or MaCthugha? lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 15:13:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29788; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:10:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:10:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401bfdbb4$8ea2e6a0$63310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: dancing about architecture (was:Re: Re: new list content?) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:11:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <0d4ZCC.A.YQH.0JRU5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Frank Zappa said it regarding Rock Journalism: "Writing about music is like dancing about architecture." - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 2:37 PM Subject: Re: Re: new list content? > I have heard that dancing about architecture quote beofre..where was it? > > > > Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > > The guy who does my video presentation has an RCA projector (don't know themodel), the kind you see in bored rooms and the like. It works on a standard > computer signal and produces a 640x480 or 800x600 video projections. They > have newer ones that can do higher res as well. I believe he said the cost > was (to me) prohibitive -- $2000+ I just am lucky to know someone who has > one. I'm SURE there are more inexpensive ones, but you may sacrifice > quality and clarity. > > > Ken > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 1:02 PM > Subject: Re: new list content? > > > > Hello- I am very interested in what type of projector you use and the cost > > of it- I recently saw an incredible show at MOCA here in L.A. by (I > forgot > > his nameee....damn) who used tons of small lcd projectors by Sony and > > Toshiba- they were awesome- I need to price them- but what do you use and > > did it cost a small fortune? > > Cliff > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ken M > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Date: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 9:31 AM > > Subject: Re: new list content? > > > > > > >During my live segments, I have a projector playing out 3D images who > pulse > > >and transform to the music.. > > >(Which is to say that certain frequencies excite certain details of the > 3D > > >scene and cause changes.) > > > > > >It's marketed as a WinBlows screensaver, but the amount of conditions and > > >settings and oscillations make it an excellent visual play-toy for > people's > > >already wandering minds to lock in on... (It also helps because watching > > >someone play a loop is like dancing about architecture..) > > > > > >I wrote the author and he readily gave his permission to use it in live > > >performances. I would do the same if I were to set it up for display. > > It's > > >a great visual gadget. > > > > > >Check out: http://www.synthesoft.com/psych/psych.htm > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" > > >To: > > >Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 11:55 AM > > >Subject: new list content? > > > > > > > > >> > Gotta say the list content does kind of suck these days. > > >> > > >> Well then, perhaps a question might be in order to liven things up. Is > > >anyone here involved in controlling VISUAL elements along with the > musical > > >in their performances? If so, want to detail what you do > > >> and how you're controlling things (recommendations, what is the visual > > >equivalent of the EDP, etc.)? > > >> > > >> Kevin > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 15:16:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29824; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:12:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:12:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3951133E.64FFEF35@virtulink.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:10:54 -0400 From: David Beardsley Organization: SSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: new list content? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-qF6cD.A.GRH.IMRU5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com magicicada@mindspring.com wrote: > > I have heard that dancing about architecture quote beofre..where was it? Is there a law that says this question has to be asked at least once on every email list? -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 15:39:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30079; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:36:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:36:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:35:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: dancing about architecture (was:Re: Re: new list content?) Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks Larry! I just heard an interview with his wife on Fresh Air... I apperciate it! c. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 15:51:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30285; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:48:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:48:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:44:18 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: new list content? Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Is there a law that says this question has to be asked at least once on every email list?" Yes.. I was charged by Frank Zappa to carry on his memory by getting this quote in circulation..making certain his name is mentioned each time. I thank the Zappa estate for the opportunity (and the cash) to further the power of Zappa.Unfortunately it is in my contract that if I get caught spreading the word of Zappa that I must kill myself and pass on the Zappa quote book to my son. Now please pass the pancakes and Aunt Jemaima(sp?) regards, c Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > magicicada@mindspring.com wrote: > > I have heard that dancing about architecture quote beofre..where was it? Is there a law that says this question has to be asked at least once on every email list? -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 16:35:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30485; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:32:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:32:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix6.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:30:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: yeah, what he said In-Reply-To: <003401bfdbb4$8ea2e6a0$63310140@concentric.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, Larry Tremblay wrote: > Frank Zappa said it regarding Rock Journalism: > "Writing about music is like dancing about architecture." > > - Larry T i think fz's remark about rock journalism was catagorized it as follows: "people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for peple who can't read." but of course, this was before mtv... rbrt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 2:37 PM > Subject: Re: Re: new list content? > > > > I have heard that dancing about architecture quote beofre..where was it? > > > > > > > > Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > > > The guy who does my video presentation has an RCA projector (don't know > themodel), the kind you see in bored rooms and the like. It works on a > standard > > computer signal and produces a 640x480 or 800x600 video projections. They > > have newer ones that can do higher res as well. I believe he said the cost > > was (to me) prohibitive -- $2000+ I just am lucky to know someone who has > > one. I'm SURE there are more inexpensive ones, but you may sacrifice > > quality and clarity. > > > > > > Ken > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 1:02 PM > > Subject: Re: new list content? > > > > > > > Hello- I am very interested in what type of projector you use and the > cost > > > of it- I recently saw an incredible show at MOCA here in L.A. by (I > > forgot > > > his nameee....damn) who used tons of small lcd projectors by Sony > and > > > Toshiba- they were awesome- I need to price them- but what do you use > and > > > did it cost a small fortune? > > > Cliff > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ken M > > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > > Date: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 9:31 AM > > > Subject: Re: new list content? > > > > > > > > > >During my live segments, I have a projector playing out 3D images who > > pulse > > > >and transform to the music.. > > > >(Which is to say that certain frequencies excite certain details of the > > 3D > > > >scene and cause changes.) > > > > > > > >It's marketed as a WinBlows screensaver, but the amount of conditions > and > > > >settings and oscillations make it an excellent visual play-toy for > > people's > > > >already wandering minds to lock in on... (It also helps because > watching > > > >someone play a loop is like dancing about architecture..) > > > > > > > >I wrote the author and he readily gave his permission to use it in live > > > >performances. I would do the same if I were to set it up for display. > > > It's > > > >a great visual gadget. > > > > > > > >Check out: http://www.synthesoft.com/psych/psych.htm > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 11:55 AM > > > >Subject: new list content? > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Gotta say the list content does kind of suck these days. > > > >> > > > >> Well then, perhaps a question might be in order to liven things up. > Is > > > >anyone here involved in controlling VISUAL elements along with the > > musical > > > >in their performances? If so, want to detail what you do > > > >> and how you're controlling things (recommendations, what is the > visual > > > >equivalent of the EDP, etc.)? > > > >> > > > >> Kevin > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 17:17:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30733; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:14:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:14:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000621211209.3498.qmail@web214.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:12:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: new list content? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's all still at the brain-fart stage, but i've got a bunch of different colored el-wire (http://www.elwire.com) - bright, flexible, glowing strands) on order. Folks did some interesting things at burning man last year with this stuff - jumping kangaroos & schools of fish attached to bikes riding about the playa at night. Anyway, I'm trying to figure out how i can sequence the wires via midi. Others have hooked it up so it responds to audio input. but as i say, i've got a long way to go with this stuff. stephen --- Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Is anyone here involved in > controlling VISUAL elements along with the musical > in their performances? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 19:13:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31107; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:07:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:07:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <71.441a93d.2682a408@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:04:40 EDT Subject: Re: new list content? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 00-06-21 12:28:03 EDT, you write: << Check out: http://www.synthesoft.com/psych/psych.htm >> i think mr goodman turned us on to this awhile back and was doing some work with this........very fun stuff.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 19:14:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31127; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:08:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:08:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <30.6c6f6b1.2682a488@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:06:48 EDT Subject: Re: new list content? (visual elements) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 00-06-21 13:12:23 EDT, you write: << 've got a few CD-Rs of part of our first show, if anybody is interested. >> dennis..........sign me up.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 19:24:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31416; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:23:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:23:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:14:02 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Subject: Mark Sottilaro... are you out there? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA31363 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry to use the list for this, but Mark's old email address isn't working... Mark! I've been trying to get info regarding the Santa Cruz Looper Jam to you and the mail's been bouncing at your old work email address. Thanks, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 23:37:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA31881; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:35:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:35:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Loopbozo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:34:07 EDT Subject: computer music To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Basically unless you play a kazoo naked in front of people live on stage they think it's some sort of gimmick but if you tell them Hendrix plays a kazoo on "Cross Town Traffic" they say no way. The listening public is as ignorant as the day is long, and today is the longest day of the year. b.helm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 23:49:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32055; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:48:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:48:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:54:40 -0700 Subject: Re: computer music From: Andrew Pask To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Basically unless you play a kazoo naked in front of people live on stage they > think it's some sort of gimmick but if you tell them Hendrix plays a kazoo on > "Cross Town Traffic" they say no way. The listening public is as ignorant as > the day is long, and today is the longest day of the year. > > b.helm > no way did Jimmy play kazoo on Cross town traffic? I didn't know that. Which bit? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 21 23:56:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32215; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:55:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:55:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01b101bfdbfd$b54e9c60$d8eaa118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: Subject: Re: computer music Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:55:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com More importantly, was it a pre-CBS kazoo? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Pask" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 11:54 PM Subject: Re: computer music > did Jimmy play kazoo on Cross town traffic? > I didn't know that. > Which bit? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 00:53:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA32426; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:52:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:52:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <395155AC.C13B371B@texas.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:54:23 +0000 From: Bobdog/Doghouse Audio Laboratory Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: computer music References: <01b101bfdbfd$b54e9c60$d8eaa118@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com as THE jimi hendrix of kazoo i can tell you that it was doubling the lead head on crosstown traffic & was an aluminum kazoo that his uncle bought for him at a ringling bros. circus just days before the uncle tragically died. really. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 05:19:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA00744; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:16:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:16:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <395253F6.625B524A@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:59:18 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: new list content? References: <71.441a93d.2682a408@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1X_u0C.A.4K.4jdU5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com those are the psychedelic screensavers popes http://www.seraline.com claude Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > << Check out: http://www.synthesoft.com/psych/psych.htm >> > > i think mr goodman turned us on to this awhile back and was doing some work > with this........very fun stuff.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 07:35:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01354; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 07:34:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 07:34:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008201bfdc35$3ab54980$afd89b3e@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <20000620235449.13588.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: EDP input gain Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:50:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <8AMNhC.A.0T.wlfU5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hallo Brett, Thanks for helping out i finally solved the problem apparently one of the resistors was indeed not functioning properly i´ve rereplaced both of them again last night and now it seems tip top! Thanks again! Cheers Luis > Luis, > If you are getting distortion with an EDP, just turn > the input gain down. That is all it takes. If the > output is then too low, then turn the output up higher > to compensate. > > All changing the internal resistors do is to change > the input gain structure. It does not change the > overal signal to noise ratio of the edp, and does not > change the dynamic range of the edp. The distortion > occurs when your analog signal is to large for the adc > to handle. > > If you have distortion you have too much input signal, > period. Reduce the level of that signal either at the > instrument, the mixer, or the edp input knob. Any of > these actions will reduce the signal into the adc > section of the edp, and will get rid of the > distortion. > > As noted, high frequency signals will distort at a > lower level than low/mid frequency signals. If a high > frequency signal distorts, turn the input gain down. > The answer is always the same. Distortion means you > should turn down the input to the edp. > > If reducing the input to the edp does not remove the > distortion, then something else is wrong, and changing > the input gain resistors is not the fix. > > bret > > > --- Luis Angulo wrote: > > Hallo Dennis, > > Thank you for responding i think you are probably > > the only one listening. > > What is an inline attenuator? This horrible digital > > distortion i get with > > the EDP i dont get it with the boomerang or other > > loop boxes so i definetly > > have to modify something else. > > thanks > > Luis > > > > > > > > > > > >I have already changed the resistors R10 to 22 > > kOhm and its certainly > > better > > > >but i still get distortion. > > > > > > Have you considered an inline attenuator on the > > EDP input cable? > > > > > > Dennis Leas > > > ----------------------------- > > > dennis@mdbs.com > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 08:06:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01709; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:04:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:04:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:04:21 -0400 From: Floyd Miller Message-Id: <200006221204.IAA01237@portal.studiodust.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: computer music Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > did Jimmy play kazoo on Cross town traffic? > I didn't know that. > Which bit? > It's not important whether or not he did. The point is that you said "no way". And by the way, what's this to do with computer music? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 09:34:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02200; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:31:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:31:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000622132908.22251.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.171.219.215] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: new looper from Italy Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:29:08 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello everybody, I'm Italoop, from Italy, a new entry in this list, wishing to know who's using Eventide 4000s AND Orville for looping and/or processing. I'm using an Orville myself...let's start this discussion on the most incredible and powerful unit EVER...waiting for replies...italoop ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 10:18:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02712; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:16:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:16:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000622101940.007b78e0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:19:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Loopevangelism: another success story Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Some of you may remember several months back when I related an incident in which I stuck a microphone into the back of a "purist" friend's amp without him knowing to discreetly snag some input from him to loop through my rig while we were jamming. (He said afterwards "Wow, that thing you were doing went PERFECTLY with what I was playing!" to which I replied, "It should've. It WAS what you were playing!") Until then, he seemed to view looping as a "gimmick" or a "crutch", and while he had formerly stood over a pretty impressive tract of pedalboard, was at the time of our jam playing a lot of acoustic fingerstyle and when on electric, using very few effects. Well, he was favorably impressed by the fun I was having with my toys. The following is an extract of an e-mail I just got from him: ************************************************************************ >...The other night I sampled a few simple chords with the DL4, reversed it, >dropped it to half speed, sent it through a delay and ring modulator, then >sampled a small bit of that with the headrush which was sent to my Princeton >cranked all the way with tremolo. [ed: his main amp is a TopHat, and he's now using a four amp setup.] The result was this terrifying throbbing >industrial backing loop which was one of the cooler things I've ever heard >come out of my junk. (The wife came screaming downstairs yelling 'that's the >most annoying thing I've ever heard' so I know it must have been good) Then >I cleared everything and tried to do it again to see if I could duplicate it >with absolutely no luck. Ahh, the ephemeral nature of looping. I need to get >a board for recording on my computer asap... ********************************************************************** Is that beautiful, or what? The loop bug's done bit him good... Have any of you got any anecdotes regarding "converting" your non-looping musical acquaintances? I mean, we could keep flaming Larry, but that's gotten kind of old... :^) Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 10:56:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03222; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:54:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:54:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <39.6c72237.26838215@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:52:05 EDT Subject: Re: Loopevangelism: another success story or is it? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/22/00 1:15:53 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, tcn62@ici.net writes: << and he's now using a four amp setup >> i dont know if i want to feel responsible for bringing someone to this point, dl4s into delays, yipes...........next its terminal G.A.S. and another spouse really questioning the sanity of their main other.........i hope you feel happy with yourself tim!.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 11:09:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03696; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:07:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:07:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000622100532.008063a0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:05:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: new looper from Italy In-Reply-To: <20000622132908.22251.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Can you tell me more about the Orville? I'm using 2 Obie Echoplexes. Thanks, Spider At 03:29 PM 6/22/00 CEST, you wrote: >Hello everybody, I'm Italoop, from Italy, a new entry in this list, wishing >to know who's using Eventide 4000s AND Orville for looping and/or >processing. I'm using an Orville myself...let's start this discussion on the >most incredible and powerful unit EVER...waiting for replies...italoop >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 11:14:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03983; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:12:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:12:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix2.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:11:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: computer music In-Reply-To: <200006221204.IAA01237@portal.studiodust.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Floyd Miller wrote: [snip] > > did Jimmy play kazoo on Cross town traffic? [again, snip] > And by the way, what's this to do with computer music? well - yr reading about it on a computer, right? ;) right. anyway my $.02... powerbook shows have ranked among some of the most boring/disappointing events i have gone to. some of em have been pleasant surprises... but in general, i say... yawwnnn. not sure if it's a problem inherent in the format, or me, or some combo of the 2... i think it's a presentational thing (& a personal one) cause i find that i'm tres receptive to the exact same stylings when they're part of a club/ambiance setting. (like most of the tunes you'd hear as "canned" in such a place. ) just don't make me watch. i've certainly seen instances where the club sound system was not nearly up to the task of reproducing the full range of tonalities produced by computers, which also doesn't help much. but lotsa the actual performances i've seen - feh... i'm not the first to say it - about as engaging as watching a couple of yr friends play "battleship". come to think of it - this was more than $.02... rbrt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 11:18:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04255; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:16:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:16:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501bfdc5d$45e8b0d0$7a310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: computer music Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:19:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > The listening public is as ignorant as > the day is long, and today is the longest day of the year. Remove "listening" from the above sentence. It's an absolute. ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 11:19:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04405; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:18:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:18:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000622101611.0085a260@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:16:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Looper Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <49n5sD.A.DDB.w3iU5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, New to list, and looping. I have an Obie Echoplex. What I want to do is put loops down and then go in and subtract/erase or mute a specific loop - this loop may be 3,4,5 down in the overall sequence of loops. I don't think the Obie will allow selective undos. Any suggestions? Thanks, Spider From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 11:23:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04619; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:21:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:21:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <042101bfdc5d$608c2610$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: new looper from Italy Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:20:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Welcome to the list! OK, what's an Orville? Any relation to Wilbur? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 11:27:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04800; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:25:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:25:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701bfdc5e$8fd17a50$7a310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20000622101940.007b78e0@pop.ici.net> Subject: Re: Loopevangelism: another success story Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:28:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Good job. I recently "converted" my teenage nephew to looping. He loops guitar, drum machine, record player and radio and approaches it with fresh ears. It keeps him out of trouble, which is a side benefit since he's a latch-key kid. Do most loopers feel compelled to convert others to looping? >I mean, we could keep flaming Larry, but that's > gotten kind of old... :^) Agree. ;) - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 10:19 AM Subject: Loopevangelism: another success story > Some of you may remember several months back when I related an incident in > which I stuck a microphone into the back of a "purist" friend's amp without > him knowing to discreetly snag some input from him to loop through my rig > while we were jamming. (He said afterwards "Wow, that thing you were doing > went PERFECTLY with what I was playing!" to which I replied, "It should've. > It WAS what you were playing!") Until then, he seemed to view looping as a > "gimmick" or a "crutch", and while he had formerly stood over a pretty > impressive tract of pedalboard, was at the time of our jam playing a lot of > acoustic fingerstyle and when on electric, using very few effects. > > Well, he was favorably impressed by the fun I was having with my toys. The > following is an extract of an e-mail I just got from him: > > ************************************************************************ > >...The other night I sampled a few simple chords with the DL4, reversed it, > >dropped it to half speed, sent it through a delay and ring modulator, then > >sampled a small bit of that with the headrush which was sent to my Princeton > >cranked all the way with tremolo. [ed: his main amp is a TopHat, and he's > now using a four amp setup.] The result was this terrifying throbbing > >industrial backing loop which was one of the cooler things I've ever heard > >come out of my junk. (The wife came screaming downstairs yelling 'that's the > >most annoying thing I've ever heard' so I know it must have been good) Then > >I cleared everything and tried to do it again to see if I could duplicate it > >with absolutely no luck. Ahh, the ephemeral nature of looping. I need to get > >a board for recording on my computer asap... > ********************************************************************** > > Is that beautiful, or what? The loop bug's done bit him good... > > Have any of you got any anecdotes regarding "converting" your non-looping > musical acquaintances? I mean, we could keep flaming Larry, but that's > gotten kind of old... :^) > > Tim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 11:49:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05001; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:32:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:32:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200006221204.IAA01237@portal.studiodust.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:37:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: computer music Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >powerbook shows have ranked among some of the >most boring/disappointing events i have gone >to. I would have to jump in and agree on this one...100% Although i also have a hard time with the whole "DJ" thing too. Not that DJ's shouldn't have as much fame and fortune as guitar slingers...far from it...it's just more fun to watch paint dry than see these guys spinning prefabbed tunes. I was at a record store recently that specializes in trance/rave/techno/dj records and culture. They have a dj turntable setup in the store and a guy spinning. I was watching with curiosity wondering how they were generating the beats and synching them with the sounds of the turntables, assuming they were at least seperate elements that the 'talented' dj was assembling with his own creative flair. So, i ask the guy "how are the beats being generated and how are you synching everything?" and "do you have records of just beats, and is the other turntable playing other sounds?". Answer: "No, man, it's all there on the record". Am i missing something? Are there any DJ's here on the list that can vouch for the effort and talent that it takes to compose on turntables? Or is it all premade for you on the vinyl, and your talent is 'record shopping'? respectfully OT, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 12:18:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05240; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:15:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:15:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401bfdc65$51eac050$7a310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <200006221204.IAA01237@portal.studiodust.com> Subject: 2 turntables and a microphone (wasRe: computer music) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:17:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, record shopping is a highly-honed skill that takes years of discipline, practice and creative risk-taking. ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 11:37 AM Subject: Re: computer music > >powerbook shows have ranked among some of the > >most boring/disappointing events i have gone > >to. > > I would have to jump in and agree on this one...100% > > Although i also have a hard time with the whole "DJ" thing too. Not that > DJ's shouldn't have as much fame and fortune as guitar slingers...far from > it...it's just more fun to watch paint dry than see these guys spinning > prefabbed tunes. > > I was at a record store recently that specializes in trance/rave/techno/dj > records and culture. They have a dj turntable setup in the store and a guy > spinning. I was watching with curiosity wondering how they were generating > the beats and synching them with the sounds of the turntables, assuming > they were at least seperate elements that the 'talented' dj was assembling > with his own creative flair. > > So, i ask the guy "how are the beats being generated and how are you > synching everything?" and "do you have records of just beats, and is the > other turntable playing other sounds?". > > Answer: "No, man, it's all there on the record". > > > Am i missing something? Are there any DJ's here on the list that can vouch > for the effort and talent that it takes to compose on turntables? Or is it > all premade for you on the vinyl, and your talent is 'record shopping'? > > respectfully OT, > > rich > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 12:22:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05394; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:20:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:20:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20000622101611.0085a260@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:25:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: Looper Question Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Although not an EDP owner, i understand that you can copy your first loop into the second, third and so on, right? Couldn't you then lay down your 'base' loop, copy it to 2, 3, 4 and then toggle between those loops, layering each with different elements? Then you could essentially "play" the EDP, toggling back and forth between the different loops? Kindof a different methodology, but might get you the same results. I have been doing this a bit with my JamMan with a Midi pedal, but am severely jealous of the ability to 'copy' one loop's contents into another. seeya, rich >Hi, > >New to list, and looping. > >I have an Obie Echoplex. What I want to do is put loops down and then go >in and subtract/erase or mute a specific loop - this loop may be 3,4,5 down >in the overall sequence of loops. I don't think the Obie will allow >selective undos. > >Any suggestions? > >Thanks, > >Spider From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 12:29:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05581; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:26:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:26:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601bfdc66$8fb5bb50$53c6c7cf@stevelaptop> From: "Steve Rudolph" To: References: <200006221204.IAA01237@portal.studiodust.com> Subject: Re: computer music Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:26:04 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This just occurred to me last week as well as I was talking to a friend about club music. Most DJs are just spinning records in a club. The only reason they need two tables is for queuing. Aside from the occasional transitional scratching, this is pretty much it. Then there are those like DJ Qbert and DJ Spooky who are layering multiple sounds and locking them into banks real time. If you want to hear the most amazing scratching of your life, Napster yourself some DJ Qbert beatch. -Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 8:37 AM Subject: Re: computer music > >powerbook shows have ranked among some of the > >most boring/disappointing events i have gone > >to. > > I would have to jump in and agree on this one...100% > > Although i also have a hard time with the whole "DJ" thing too. Not that > DJ's shouldn't have as much fame and fortune as guitar slingers...far from > it...it's just more fun to watch paint dry than see these guys spinning > prefabbed tunes. > > I was at a record store recently that specializes in trance/rave/techno/dj > records and culture. They have a dj turntable setup in the store and a guy > spinning. I was watching with curiosity wondering how they were generating > the beats and synching them with the sounds of the turntables, assuming > they were at least seperate elements that the 'talented' dj was assembling > with his own creative flair. > > So, i ask the guy "how are the beats being generated and how are you > synching everything?" and "do you have records of just beats, and is the > other turntable playing other sounds?". > > Answer: "No, man, it's all there on the record". > > > Am i missing something? Are there any DJ's here on the list that can vouch > for the effort and talent that it takes to compose on turntables? Or is it > all premade for you on the vinyl, and your talent is 'record shopping'? > > respectfully OT, > > rich > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 12:32:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05751; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:31:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:31:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: computer music Message-ID: <0056910005673209000002L192*@MHS> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:28:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 06/22/00 11:29:51" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA05709 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am an old 60's guitarist who has gone through many phases. For the last ten years I have been into looping. I currently have two EDPs. Recently I have become interested in more modern music, that combines elements of looping with hip hop stuff. I bought a Roland SP808 and have been dabbling in sampling and remixing. >From what I have heard and from my humble experiments, I think that the ideas of DJ culture, sampling, filtering, and remixing will become pervasive in music. It is the coming wave. And this this stuff is not just about playing records. It is new and cool and MUSICAL. But like all kinds of music, the stuff that you hear on the radio or in your local store, probably won't be the stuff with the most original musical ideas or the stuff executed with the most mind-blowing musical skill. The popular stuff will be aimed at the least common denominator. (See previous thread on computer music.) Loop, mix, loop, mix, Brother K Kamlapati Khalsa Global Design Team Manager CLASS Project - Philips Semiconductors voice : (408)991-3766 fax : (408)991-3263 rich@nuvision.com on 06/22/2000 09:12:35 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@SMTP To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com@SMTP cc: Subject: Re: computer music Classification: Restricted >powerbook shows have ranked among some of the >most boring/disappointing events i have gone >to. I would have to jump in and agree on this one...100% Although i also have a hard time with the whole "DJ" thing too. Not that DJ's shouldn't have as much fame and fortune as guitar slingers...far from it...it's just more fun to watch paint dry than see these guys spinning prefabbed tunes. I was at a record store recently that specializes in trance/rave/techno/dj records and culture. They have a dj turntable setup in the store and a guy spinning. I was watching with curiosity wondering how they were generating the beats and synching them with the sounds of the turntables, assuming they were at least seperate elements that the 'talented' dj was assembling with his own creative flair. So, i ask the guy "how are the beats being generated and how are you synching everything?" and "do you have records of just beats, and is the other turntable playing other sounds?". Answer: "No, man, it's all there on the record". Am i missing something? Are there any DJ's here on the list that can vouch for the effort and talent that it takes to compose on turntables? Or is it all premade for you on the vinyl, and your talent is 'record shopping'? respectfully OT, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 13:15:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06021; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:13:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:13:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix2.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:12:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: computer music In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, rich wrote: > > Although i also have a hard time with the whole "DJ" thing too. Not that > DJ's shouldn't have as much fame and fortune as guitar slingers...far from > it...it's just more fun to watch paint dry than see these guys spinning > prefabbed tunes. hmmm... i'd have to say i find the vinyl slingers a more exciting to be with than than the trackball pushers.... but i could see where that's: A) a difference of degree & B) a reflection of the fact that i employ records & tapes (as they say at k-tel) in my live act. and we love to see people doin what we do (so long as they don't smoke us at it |) course... i live in nyc - hence have tons o access to olive, spooky, et themall... it's always great to watch masters of all stripes at work (& you can DEFINATELY tell when djs are slackin & when they're plugged into The Nerve, btw...) yes, the LPs generate the beats from a recorded standpoint, but after that yr signal chain's yr own (get me on a roll w/ a sugar hill 12", some white-label test pressing scored at a salvation army and that boomerang & the result is E: none of the above...) so you never can quite trust yr ears (in the most wonderful way). i only use a single tt (becuase i already have too damn much else to keep in line). the people who use 3 or 4 of em and whip up a puree so think you can spread it on toast are just amazing to watch - i would love to develop that multi tt technique, just for the fun of having to use. i of course refer and defer specifically to christian marclay on this one, i been going to hear him since 1980 (B.C.!) - he must be the proto-looper of all times and never used a looping device that i ever saw til i noticed last month - YIKES! ONE tt and... the boomerang! christian, how COULD you???!!! also ultra-checkoutable on this tip, seattle's IQU. great combo of vinyl and instrumental, loops and live riffs. pardon my rant, rbrt > > I was at a record store recently that specializes in trance/rave/techno/dj > records and culture. They have a dj turntable setup in the store and a guy > spinning. I was watching with curiosity wondering how they were generating > the beats and synching them with the sounds of the turntables, assuming > they were at least seperate elements that the 'talented' dj was assembling > with his own creative flair. > > So, i ask the guy "how are the beats being generated and how are you > synching everything?" and "do you have records of just beats, and is the > other turntable playing other sounds?". > > Answer: "No, man, it's all there on the record". > > > Am i missing something? Are there any DJ's here on the list that can vouch > for the effort and talent that it takes to compose on turntables? Or is it > all premade for you on the vinyl, and your talent is 'record shopping'? > > respectfully OT, > > rich > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 13:26:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06205; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:24:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:24:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39524AC1.409D236D@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:20:02 -0400 From: Mojo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: new list content? (visual elements) References: <3950E55E.29B24768@minds-eye.org> <3950EBD8.411FC66D@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Synching visiuals to music is my main gig, check my web page at : http://www.movementnyc.com/artists/mojo/multimedia.html For software based interactive graphic engines try these : http://www.afn.org/~cthugha/ http://www.voyager.co.jp/OnScreenArt/OnScreenArt.html http://www.lairware.com/pixeltoy/ Feel free to contact me off list with any specific questions. mailto:totaleclipsemultimedia@hotmail.com Or to see my work in action check my live performance schedule : http://www.movementnyc.com/artists/mojo/gigs.html - Mojo Jim Poppen wrote: > I'll second Kevin's question, and encourage those that have some > experience to talk about visuals with music (w/ or w/out loops). Isn't > it a pain to carry around all that extra gear??? > > The idea of having visuals seems to hold the possibility of > exponentially upping the entertainment factor. > > Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > > > > Gotta say the list content does kind of suck these days. > > > > Well then, perhaps a question might be in order to liven things up. Is anyone here involved in controlling VISUAL elements along with the musical in their performances? If so, want to detail what you do > > and how you're controlling things (recommendations, what is the visual equivalent of the EDP, etc.)? > > > > Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 14:08:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06439; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:06:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:06:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:12:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: computer music Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>powerbook shows have ranked among some of the >>most boring/disappointing events i have gone >>to. > >I would have to jump in and agree on this one...100% > >Although i also have a hard time with the whole "DJ" thing too. Not that >DJ's shouldn't have as much fame and fortune as guitar slingers...far from >it...it's just more fun to watch paint dry than see these guys spinning >prefabbed tunes. > >I was at a record store recently that specializes in trance/rave/techno/dj >records and culture. They have a dj turntable setup in the store and a guy >spinning. I was watching with curiosity wondering how they were generating >the beats and synching them with the sounds of the turntables, assuming >they were at least seperate elements that the 'talented' dj was assembling >with his own creative flair. > >So, i ask the guy "how are the beats being generated and how are you >synching everything?" and "do you have records of just beats, and is the >other turntable playing other sounds?". > >Answer: "No, man, it's all there on the record". > > >Am i missing something? Are there any DJ's here on the list that can vouch >for the effort and talent that it takes to compose on turntables? Or is it >all premade for you on the vinyl, and your talent is 'record shopping'? > I'm not a DJ, nor do I play one on TV... But I have been working with a really creative DJ for the last year, and have gotten some insights into the art. There are the DJ's that just play records and CD's all night. Then, a little further up the creativity continuum, there are lots of records made specifically for DJ-ing, usually with titles like "Phat-ass Breakbeat Bombz" or such, and these consist of beats alternating with wierd samples from king fu movies, key lines from obscire funk records, etc, and the DJ can use 2 of these records to create a performance, layering a beat from one record beneath scratching a sample from the 2nd. There's also the ancient technique of getting 2 copies of the same record, cueing up a drum break on one, letting that play while you cue the same break the 2nd, crossfading back an forth to turn a 1 or 2 bar loop into a whole tune. I've seen this done, and it's really quite a feat of synchronization to do it smoothly. Then there's the DJ's like Q-bert, Spooky, etc, who really use the source records to create something new. Fortunately, the guy I work with aspires to the latter. I think it's like anything else in music, simple turntabling is no less difficult than playing the "Louie Louie" riff sloppily, but doing something original and creative takes a lifetime of study. Seeing a really good DJ at work can be pretty eye-opening. As far as the powerbook performance thing, I think it ultimately depends on the music. Some years ago, I attended a concert of computer music by Carl Stone and Yuji Takahashi. Takehashi is pretty well-known as a pianist that specializes in the most difficult of 20th century works. He's less well-known as a composer, but his pieces, which just featured him at a computer assembling elements, were absolutely transcenedent. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 14:09:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06509; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:07:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:07:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <04aa01bfdc74$83e0ad40$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: new list content? (visual elements) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:05:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <1EDUU.A.5kB.kWlU5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Cool stuff, Mojo! That's quite a stack of equipment! I saw your gig schedule. Umm, what city/state are you in? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 14:49:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06815; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:45:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:45:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:49:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: computer music Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks everyone for responding to my query regarding DJ's and such. I think my motivation for observing them is a selfish one...What technology and techniques are they using, and how can i learn and incorporate them into my 'instrument-based' setup? So, you can understand my dismay seeing them have it all on the records...(i guess it left them more time to bob their heads along with that bass kick) I will check out some of the names mentioned! Thanks again. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 14:50:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06886; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:48:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:48:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39525E52.D73DEC0E@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:43:31 -0400 From: Mojo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: new list content? (visual elements) References: <04aa01bfdc74$83e0ad40$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com All shows on the gig page are in Manhattan NYC unless other wise stated. - mojo http://www.movementnyc.com/artists/mojo/gigs.html "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > Cool stuff, Mojo! That's quite a stack of equipment! > > I saw your gig schedule. Umm, what city/state are you in? > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 14:59:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07226; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:57:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:57:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: <63.7507b4e.2683bb30@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:55:44 EDT Subject: Re: Dancing about Architecture To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/22/00 7:18:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com writes: > I have heard that dancing about architecture quote beofre..where was it? > The original quote is, I believe, "Writing about music is like dancing about architecture". It's usual context is a rebuttal to (unfavorable, of course) music criticism or music journalism. I've seen it credited to a number of people, from Martin Mull to Thelonious Monk, so I'm not sure who the original source actually is. Ken R From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 15:06:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07496; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:04:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:04:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: <2f.6f9042d.2683bd0f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:03:43 EDT Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #199 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/22/00 7:18:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com writes: > as THE jimi hendrix of kazoo i can tell you that it was doubling the > lead head on crosstown traffic & was an aluminum kazoo that his uncle For those of you tired of seeing the original Hendrix model kazoos go for $700 on ebay, I hear the new Hendrix Aluminum Reissue comes pretty close, plus true bypass and Midi functions as a bonus. Beats waiting for that oft-promised Line 6 Modeling Kazoo that they keep advertising but never release. Too bad Alto Music closed or we could get a group buy from them.... Ken R From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 15:06:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07482; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:04:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:04:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0056910005673209000002L192*@MHS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:09:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: computer music Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I am an old 60's guitarist who has gone through many phases. For the last >ten years I have been into looping. I currently have two EDPs. Recently I >have become interested in more modern music, that combines elements of >looping with hip hop stuff. I >bought a Roland SP808 and have been dabbling in sampling and remixing. > >From what I have heard and from my humble experiments, I think that the >ideas of DJ culture, sampling, filtering, and remixing will become >pervasive in music. It is the coming wave. And this this stuff is not just >about playing records. It is new and >cool and MUSICAL. > >But like all kinds of music, the stuff that you hear on the radio or in >your local store, probably won't be the stuff with the most original >musical ideas or the stuff executed with the most mind-blowing musical >skill. The popular stuff will be aimed at >the least common denominator. (See previous thread on computer music.) > >Loop, mix, loop, mix, > >Brother K > > >Kamlapati Khalsa In some ways, i am in the same position...Interested in modern music and wishing to incorporate some of it. I think my only beef is the whole concept how "cool" dj culture is supposed to be when a big part of it is spinning records on the part of the performer, and drug-taking and dancing on the part of the audience. Disco was cool, too, i guess. We've just substituted X and GHB for cocaine, and the music is...well...the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I do disagree with the statement that the ideas of sampling, filtering and remixing are native to the DJ crowd and will now become pervasive in music. I think it was already there, and the DJ's are borrowing and mutating it. It is becoming pervasive now because of it's popularity and there are manufacturers deciding to make equipment to support the performers. And a big chunk of that equipment has terms like "analogue", "retro", or "vintage" attached to it. thanks for your comments, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 15:16:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07817; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:14:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:14:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix2.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:13:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: "looper's delight" Subject: when is it "vintage" enough? In-Reply-To: <2f.6f9042d.2683bd0f@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 KRosser414@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/22/00 7:18:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com writes: > > > as THE jimi hendrix of kazoo i can tell you that it was doubling the > > lead head on crosstown traffic & was an aluminum kazoo that his uncle > > For those of you tired of seeing the original Hendrix model kazoos go for > $700 on ebay, I hear the new Hendrix Aluminum Reissue comes pretty close, they're pretty good (the made-in-chechnia ones are superior to the licensed ones from rangoon) - but if you aint a lefty, yr gonna have to make some serious adjustments to your playing style. i think there's a spike jones signature series that harmon is marketing... r. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 15:17:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07852; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:15:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:15:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: davelinn@micron.net Message-ID: <000f01bfdc7e$53548020$29fa153f@micron.net> To: References: <63.7507b4e.2683bb30@aol.com> Subject: Re: Dancing about Architecture Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:16:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I altered the phrase to "talking about art is like dancing about architecture" for my master's thesis (I'm a painter and erstwhile looper, sometimes incorporating sound into my exhibits). I have no idea who said it first, but it's a good one. David Linn > > I have heard that dancing about architecture quote beofre..where was it? > > > > The original quote is, I believe, "Writing about music is like dancing about > architecture". It's usual context is a rebuttal to (unfavorable, of course) > music criticism or music journalism. I've seen it credited to a number of > people, from Martin Mull to Thelonious Monk, so I'm not sure who the original > source actually is. > > Ken R > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 15:30:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08102; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:25:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:25:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix2.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:24:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: computer music In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, rich wrote: > I think my only beef is the whole > concept how "cool" dj culture is supposed to be when a big part of it is > spinning records on the part of the performer, and drug-taking and dancing > on the part of the audience. i heartily recommend the documentary _modulations_. > > Disco was cool, too, i guess. We've just substituted X and GHB for > cocaine, and the music is...well...the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. sad that bernard edwards never got to hear squarepusher... they'd have so much to talk about. whadya reckon stanley clarke thinks of him? > > I do disagree with the statement that the ideas of sampling, filtering and > remixing are native to the DJ crowd and will now become pervasive in music. > I think it was already there, and the DJ's are borrowing and mutating it. > It is becoming pervasive now because of it's popularity and there are > manufacturers deciding to make equipment to support the performers. And a > big chunk of that equipment has terms like "analogue", "retro", or > "vintage" attached to it. but over the course of recent history we seen these expansion/contractions several sets of times, as regards the preeminance of live-performed music & pre-recorded or "canned" stuff. the guitar bands get a shot, then the tide turns and the fader jockeys take a turn. what makes now so "now" is, as you say, the unprecedented previlance of "equipment to support the performers". makes you REALLY wonder how kraftwerk (or can fr that matter) did it in 81 (or WAY earlier) w/out "the gadgets"... no wait - don't tell me they used a blade and an editall!!! ok! ok! i'm done now!!!! rbrt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 15:37:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08272; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:35:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:35:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000622193410.6298.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.247.186.99] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 2 turntables and a microphone (wasRe: computer music) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:34:10 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't get it either. I think it has something to do with that they really focus on the song-to-song transitions. They change the tempos and match the beats so that when they switch songs, it's smooth and maintains the "energy". While that is impressive in itself, to me it doesn't warrant paying attention during the songs themselves. Once I saw a DJ match the beats so well that he had the 2 records going in sync for a full minute, using the faders to blend fragments of the 2 songs together in new ways, but that was the only time I was impressed by that kind of DJ. I'm extrememly impressed by the "real" DJ's, who create/compose music from fragments of other recordings. I don't know of a lot of these guys who can create whole songs live though, other than the Invisible Scratch Pickles and stuff. Matt > > Although i also have a hard time with the whole "DJ" thing too. Not >that > > DJ's shouldn't have as much fame and fortune as guitar slingers...far >from > > it...it's just more fun to watch paint dry than see these guys spinning > > prefabbed tunes. > > > > I was at a record store recently that specializes in >trance/rave/techno/dj > > records and culture. They have a dj turntable setup in the store and a >guy > > spinning. I was watching with curiosity wondering how they were >generating > > the beats and synching them with the sounds of the turntables, assuming > > they were at least seperate elements that the 'talented' dj was >assembling > > with his own creative flair. > > > > So, i ask the guy "how are the beats being generated and how are you > > synching everything?" and "do you have records of just beats, and is the > > other turntable playing other sounds?". > > > > Answer: "No, man, it's all there on the record". > > > > > > Am i missing something? Are there any DJ's here on the list that can >vouch > > for the effort and talent that it takes to compose on turntables? Or is >it > > all premade for you on the vinyl, and your talent is 'record shopping'? > > > > respectfully OT, > > > > rich > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 16:33:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08556; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:30:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:30:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Brian Mulvey" To: "pvallad1" , Subject: Re: computer music Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:55:27 -0400 Message-ID: <01bfdc83$cfd60740$f38b1a26@brian-s-compute> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yeah man, an original. The Fender '69 Kazoo reissue just bites, your much better off with a Fulltone. >More importantly, was it a pre-CBS kazoo? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Andrew Pask" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 11:54 PM >Subject: Re: computer music > > >> did Jimmy play kazoo on Cross town traffic? >> I didn't know that. >> Which bit? >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 16:45:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08714; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:43:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:43:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501bfdc8b$0c31ac10$29310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: computer music Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:47:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think there's some confusion about the distinction between a "turntablist" (like Jazzy Jeff or Marclay) and a "DJ". A DJ does Weddings and such, whereas a turntablist actually adds some net value to the records he 'cuts' - like a recombinant gene sequencer. Just thought I might add some clarity to this debate. You may or may not agree. - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 2:49 PM Subject: Re: computer music > Thanks everyone for responding to my query regarding DJ's and such. > > I think my motivation for observing them is a selfish one...What technology > and techniques are they using, and how can i learn and incorporate them > into my 'instrument-based' setup? > > So, you can understand my dismay seeing them have it all on the > records...(i guess it left them more time to bob their heads along with > that bass kick) > > > > I will check out some of the names mentioned! Thanks again. > > rich > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 16:58:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08895; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:56:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:56:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix6.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:55:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: computer music In-Reply-To: <002501bfdc8b$0c31ac10$29310140@concentric.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com wow. very astute pernt ya got there - there's an important semantic aspect always in conversations such as these. and that's one that oughta have occurred to me sooner. (just like a solderhead friend o mine rants - "NO! a record mixer/producer is NOT an 'engineer' - that guy has never designed a circuit IN HIS FUCKIN LIFE!!!") & you saved me a thrill denied, next time i hear somebody say "oh, we're getting a dj for our wedding" i won't be looking forward to having my genes recombin-ated! good on ya rbrt On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Larry Tremblay wrote: > I think there's some confusion about the distinction > between a "turntablist" (like Jazzy Jeff or Marclay) > and a "DJ". > > A DJ does Weddings and such, whereas a turntablist > actually adds some net value to the records he 'cuts' > - like a recombinant gene sequencer. > > Just thought I might add some clarity to this debate. > You may or may not agree. > > - Larry T > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rich" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 2:49 PM > Subject: Re: computer music > > > > Thanks everyone for responding to my query regarding DJ's and such. > > > > I think my motivation for observing them is a selfish one...What > technology > > and techniques are they using, and how can i learn and incorporate them > > into my 'instrument-based' setup? > > > > So, you can understand my dismay seeing them have it all on the > > records...(i guess it left them more time to bob their heads along with > > that bass kick) > > > > > > > > I will check out some of the names mentioned! Thanks again. > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 17:34:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09169; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:32:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:32:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <051601bfdc90$e5658420$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Looper Question Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:29:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <0_IfC.A.jOC.BVoU5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>I have an Obie Echoplex. What I want to do is put loops down and then go >>in and subtract/erase or mute a specific loop - this loop may be 3,4,5 down >>in the overall sequence of loops. I don't think the Obie will allow >>selective undos. I think of the EDP as creating "stacks" of sound. You can add and subtract to the top but not the bottom or middle of the stack. You can copy the entire stack, but you end up with a new stack in a different memory. I.e., you can still only add/subtract from the top. Or return to the original stack. Of course with two EDPs, you can start with sound A, add sound B (on the second EDP), then remove sound A. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 17:37:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09368; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:36:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:36:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:40:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: computer music Resent-Message-ID: <3tZu_C.A.YQC.uZoU5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> I think my only beef is the whole >> concept how "cool" dj culture is supposed to be when a big part of it is >> spinning records on the part of the performer, and drug-taking and dancing >> on the part of the audience. > >i heartily recommend the documentary _modulations_. I saw it...Awesome film and a pretty good retort to my overgeneralized statement above. There was a point in the film where a gentleman was discussing the genre-splitting phenomenon, most specifically to the 'beats'. One form (i forget which) was utilizing beats which essentially didn't allow your heartbeat to 'rest', and therefore became somewhat punishing to the psyche. I think he used the term "jackhammer" to describe it. Interesting and frightening that we 'want' this music because it's 'new'. I'll take another dose of 'music for airports', thank you very much. I also enjoyed the segment where some of the artists are commenting on Miles Davis and Teo Macero, and sophisticated tape splicing and editing. "we all thought that was just the way those guys played" one of the guys said, i think...not taking into account the manipulation that was happening after the sessions. Very cool film. >the guitar bands get a shot, then the tide turns >and the fader jockeys take a turn. what makes now >so "now" is, as you say, the unprecedented previlance >of "equipment to support the performers". makes you >REALLY wonder how kraftwerk (or can fr that matter) >did it in 81 (or WAY earlier) w/out "the gadgets"... here, here! >ok! ok! i'm done now!!!! me too... rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 17:37:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09364; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:36:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:36:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000622213429.9980.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:34:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: computer music To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8Y-uT.A.DQC.rZoU5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't think these label distinctions are as cut and dried as suggested, at least not in common usage. What is DJ Shadow, who cuts and pastes music samples? Why are there many "turntablist" who call themselves 'DJ' whatever (e.g. DJ Logic)? InternetDJ.com uses the label 'mixers' and which they say is "DJs who create professional mixes, freestlyes, etc for sale or production". I think it is common for a turntablist (mixer) to call himself a DJ, even though their talents clearly are different that the traditional radio or party 'disk jockey' who simply plays a record unaltered. bret --- Larry Tremblay wrote: > I think there's some confusion about the distinction > between a "turntablist" (like Jazzy Jeff or Marclay) > and a "DJ". > > A DJ does Weddings and such, whereas a turntablist > actually adds some net value to the records he > 'cuts' > - like a recombinant gene sequencer. > > Just thought I might add some clarity to this > debate. > You may or may not agree. > > - Larry T > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 18:36:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09777; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:33:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:33:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000622173123.00894310@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:31:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Looper Question In-Reply-To: <051601bfdc90$e5658420$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hate to show my ignorance, but I'm not familiar with the EDP. Could someone enlighten me on this? Thanks, Spider At 04:29 PM 6/22/00 -0500, you wrote: >>>I have an Obie Echoplex. What I want to do is put loops down and then go >>>in and subtract/erase or mute a specific loop - this loop may be 3,4,5 down >>>in the overall sequence of loops. I don't think the Obie will allow >>>selective undos. > >I think of the EDP as creating "stacks" of sound. You can add and subtract to >the top but not the bottom or middle of the stack. You can copy the entire >stack, but you end up with a new stack in a different memory. I.e., you can >still only add/subtract from the top. Or return to the original stack. > >Of course with two EDPs, you can start with sound A, add sound B (on the second >EDP), then remove sound A. > >Dennis Leas >----------------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 18:37:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09864; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:36:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:36:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000622223532.10296.qmail@web115.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:35:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: computer music To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > The listening public is as ignorant as > > the day is long, and today is the longest day of > the year. > "I make a distinction between ignorance, stupidity and idiocy. And fortunately we have an abundance of all three in the United States." Frank Zappa Oct 22, 1988 "It would be easier to pay off the national debt overnight than to neutralize the long range effects of our NATIONAL STUPIDITY" - Frank Zappa, from testimony before Congress in 1986 "Scientists believe that the universe is made of hydrogen because they claim it's the most plentiful ingredient. I claim the most plentiful ingredient is stupidity." - Frank Zappa, 1993 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 18:43:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10125; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:41:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:41:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000622224027.46220.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.171.219.155] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: MClark:Orville Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:40:27 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_9BgID.A.PdC.4XpU5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Mike, nice to "meet" you!!! Well,Eventide Orville is just the most incredible unit on earth...nothing can stand to it. You get 174 seconds of sampling plus 43 sec. of delay time in processor A and 43sec in processor B. Sampling memory can be used also for delay purposes so you get this, Machine A 174+43 sec and machine B 43sec...not bad. Moreover you have all the possible and imaginable effects on earth, patchable in any configuration, at 24 bits and up to 96k sampling rate. 8 inputs/8outputs analog & digital plus billions of other features which would be better for you to check out at www.eventide.com, do yourself a favour, go there and read, it's cool...italooop ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 19:13:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10321; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:53:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:53:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000622224027.46220.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <20000622224027.46220.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:52:29 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: possible small gig for New York loopers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com so, I have a chance to book a few Tuesdays in the small room at the Knitting Factory this summer. the pay will be small beans (unless we get a lot of people) but the room itself is quite good and the artistic freedom is excellent. the name of the series is Bunker Extreme (it's a collaboration between the Bunker Annex series and extreme NY, thus the name) and it's intended for people's other, experimental, too weird, too annoying, or somehow not-the-same project. do let me know if you are interested in a slot here. please enclose your preferred Tuesdays in July and August, though dates are very unfirm right now. /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 19:22:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10608; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:20:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:20:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20000622224027.46220.qmail@hotmail.com> <20000622224027.46220.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:24:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: possible small gig for New York loopers Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm on the west coast, so no go for me, but i wanted to say that i think this is awesome! The LD list strikes again at connecting people... hope it goes well. and good luck to the Santa Cruz looper jam. enjoy. i wish i could be a fly on the wall (with earplugs...imagine all of those EDP's...whew) rich >so, I have a chance to book a few Tuesdays in the small room at the >Knitting Factory this summer. > > >the pay will be small beans (unless we get a lot of people) but the room >itself is quite good and the artistic freedom is excellent. > > >the name of the series is Bunker Extreme (it's a collaboration between the >Bunker Annex series and extreme NY, thus the name) and it's intended for >people's other, experimental, too weird, too annoying, or somehow not-the-same >project. > >do let me know if you are interested in a slot here. please enclose your >preferred Tuesdays in July and August, though dates are very unfirm right now. > > /t > >...electronic a capella madness ......... >...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 20:36:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11034; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:35:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:35:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3952A240.7C4DFE55@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:33:19 -0600 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: sine@zerocrossing.net Organization: Zerocrossing Multimedia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Santa Cruz! (?) info PLEASE! References: <20000622224027.46220.qmail@hotmail.com> <20000622224027.46220.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey! CRAZINESS has been the way with me. I've been "off list" as I was using my company's email account and upon giving my two weeks notice I was told to just pack up my stuff and leave! The nerve! Anyway, I had no time to unsubscribe. I didn't want to subscribe to the list on my excite account, as it's slooooooooow. Finally I got my ass in gear and registered my own domain: zerocrossing.net Wooo hoooo! [new job a lot better!] So can Dave or someone send me info on Sunday's event? Val and I are still counting on coming down. We wanted to come down on Saturday and just do the Santa Cruz thing, but we've both been busy with new jobs and moving. We didn't have our shit together and now it seems like everything's booked up. No matter. We'll come down for the day regardless. OK, must get back to work. It's good to be back! Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 20:39:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11179; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:37:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:37:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3952A2E7.C5D101B5@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:36:07 -0600 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: sine@zerocrossing.net Organization: Zerocrossing Multimedia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Mixman References: <20000622224027.46220.qmail@hotmail.com> <20000622224027.46220.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, Just downloaded Mixman for the Mac OS and I was wondering if anyone on the list was using this tool and what they felt about it. I still wish that ACID was available for the Mac OS. Is this a viable alternative? I can't seem to see a way to make their proprietary files that come with the demo version. Does the full version allow for that? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 21:18:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11511; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:17:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:17:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000622201601.00817100@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:16:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: MClark:Orville In-Reply-To: <20000622224027.46220.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi! Sounds way cool! Some questions: 1. Can you erase or mute loops that may be 3+ layers down? 2. Can you switch between loops like you can with the Obie? IOW you lay down one loop and build it, then hit the pedal and begin a new loop, then go back to the original loop? 3. Are all the functions on the Orville foot pedal controllable? 4. How much is this thing and is there a good place on the Internet to get it. BTW, I did look at the Lexicon page. The unit seem pretty awesome. Thanks, Michael At 12:40 AM 6/23/00 CEST, you wrote: >Hello Mike, nice to "meet" you!!! Well,Eventide Orville is just the most >incredible unit on earth...nothing can stand to it. You get 174 seconds of >sampling plus 43 sec. of delay time in processor A and 43sec in processor B. >Sampling memory can be used also for delay purposes so you get this, Machine >A 174+43 sec and machine B 43sec...not bad. Moreover you have all the >possible and imaginable effects on earth, patchable in any configuration, at >24 bits and up to 96k sampling rate. >8 inputs/8outputs analog & digital plus billions of other features which >would be better for you to check out at www.eventide.com, do yourself a >favour, go there and read, it's cool...italooop > > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 21:28:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11782; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:27:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:27:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01bfdcb1$ea2b6da0$fb22dacf@z8y9w0> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <20000622223532.10296.qmail@web115.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: computer music Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:25:27 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Do you like music? Oh, I know, most people SAY they do." - David Byrne, from "True Stories" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 21:31:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11928; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:30:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:30:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201bfdcb2$600fc980$fb22dacf@z8y9w0> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <01bfdc83$cfd60740$f38b1a26@brian-s-compute> Subject: Re: computer music Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:28:44 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Phooey kids, I've got an autographed Les Paul kazoo (only he called it a Pazoo, as it has a carborator-type hole for extra accents). Outstanding sustain, too! :) Stephen Goodman * The free Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Mulvey" To: "pvallad1" ; Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 12:55 Subject: Re: computer music > Yeah man, an original. The Fender '69 Kazoo reissue > just bites, your much better off with a Fulltone. > > > >More importantly, was it a pre-CBS kazoo? > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Andrew Pask" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 11:54 PM > >Subject: Re: computer music > > > > > >> did Jimmy play kazoo on Cross town traffic? > >> I didn't know that. > >> Which bit? > >> > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 23:31:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12436; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:09:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:09:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <50.7198e0b.26842bc3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:56:03 EDT Subject: Re: new list content? (visual elements) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/22/00 5:48:07 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, mojo2112@earthlink.net writes: << http://www.movementnyc.com/artists/mojo/gigs.html >> mark........wonderful.........thanks..........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 23:34:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12451; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:11:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:11:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:00:31 EDT Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V00 #199 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/22/00 6:04:43 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, KRosser414@aol.com writes: << Too bad Alto Music closed >> stop.......you go to far.......this could cause riots!...........:)...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 23:48:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12622; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:26:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:26:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:18:12 -0700 Subject: jamman questions From: Benjamin Furstenberg To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, First, I want to say hello to everyone, as I've just joined. My name is Ben, but I go by SoccerMom, HappaOperator, Cavity Creep and many other nonsensical obscurantist musical pseudonyms which hopefully will mean something to someone someday. I live in San Francisco, CA and am looking for musical collaborators who like things like Steve Reich, Funkstorung, Negativland, Miles Davis esp. 70's, The Residents, Brians Eno and Wilson, Autechre, Lee Scratch Perry, Music Concrete, RZA, Harry Partch, Ennio Morricone, Sun Ra, Can, etc. I use a Mac G3, mostly Cubase VST, soon will probably add a Digi001. I have a bunch of stuff alongside: a Nord Modular, a K2000RS, a BassStation, a Roland R-8m, Casio CZ 5000, Korg Poly 800, a Korg KaosPad, a Lexicon MPX-1, 50,000 noisetoys and.... a JamPerson! I know these are boring old issues, but now they pertain to me! Where can I get reliable memory upgrades for my JamMan, at the best price? I located one seller who offers the four zip chips for $80, assuring the quality, and though I know this is cheaper than a few years ago, looking through the archives, I wonder if I can't do better. What is the latest on the ROM upgrade by Bob Sellon? Anyone know? thanks, Ben From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 22 23:52:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12691; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:30:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:30:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003701bfdcc1$c8725c40$d8eaa118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: Subject: Re: computer music Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:19:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich" To: Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 5:40 PM Subject: Re: computer music > >> I think my only beef is the whole > >> concept how "cool" dj culture is supposed to be when a big part of it is > >> spinning records on the part of the performer, and drug-taking and dancing > >> on the part of the audience. > > > >i heartily recommend the documentary _modulations_. > > > I saw it...Awesome film and a pretty good retort to my overgeneralized If you liked that, be on the lookout for the film _Better Living Through Circuitry_. This movie is also a documentary, but focuses more on the rave scene (the first film had more of a general focus on today's modern dance scene). Just try not to be offended by the one electronic musician who says he gave up years of jazz guitar study because he found synths, samplers, drum machines, etc. more exciting than a box with 6 strings. :) :) :) Paolo Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 00:02:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12927; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:40:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:40:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301bfdcc3$1d62a240$d8eaa118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <0056910005673209000002L192*@MHS> Subject: Re: computer music Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:28:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <6kcGFD.A.rFD.JktU5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 12:28 PM Subject: Re: computer music > From what I have heard and from my humble experiments, I think that the ideas of DJ culture, sampling, filtering, and remixing will become pervasive in music. It is the coming wave It's already here. Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 00:04:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12956; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:41:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:41:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:31:31 EDT Subject: Re: jamman questions To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/23/00 2:16:57 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, benway@cea.edu writes: << Casio CZ 5000 >> hi ben.....welcome.......the cz 5000 had to be my first looper, an 8 trac sequencer in the hands of a goofy guitarist, i still have it........do you have access to many patches or do you make your own, something i have never really done........i use it now as a drum machine........if anyone else has any input on this box please contact me off list, i want to start using it more........thanks.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 00:37:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13443; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:34:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:34:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:27:13 EDT Subject: Re: Frank & stupidity To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/22/00 6:19:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com writes: > "I make a distinction between ignorance, stupidity and > idiocy. And fortunately we have an abundance of all > three in the United States." Frank Zappa Oct 22, 1988 > > "It would be easier to pay off the national debt > overnight than to neutralize the long range effects of > our NATIONAL STUPIDITY" - Frank Zappa, from testimony > before Congress in 1986 > > "Scientists believe that the universe is made of > hydrogen because they claim it's the most plentiful > ingredient. I claim the most plentiful ingredient is > stupidity." - Frank Zappa, 1993 > Three incredibly boorish and disingenuous statements from a man never short of boorish and disingenuous statements...I like some of his music and all, but why is he suddenly an authority on stupidity and/or (presumably) intelligence? Sorry, absolutely nothing to say about looping at the moment... Ken R From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 03:26:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13799; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 03:22:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 03:22:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01bfdce3$52c089a0$0232dacf@z8y9w0> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <0056910005673209000002L192*@MHS> <004301bfdcc3$1d62a240$d8eaa118@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: computer music Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:19:08 -0700 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Resent-Message-ID: <4rHeO.A._WD.j-wU5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There's more than one wave, folks. :) Stephen Goodman * The free Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From: "pvallad1" > From: > > > From what I have heard and from my humble experiments, I think that the > ideas of DJ culture, sampling, filtering, and remixing will become pervasive > in music. It is the coming wave > > It's already here. > > Paolo > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 06:46:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14550; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 06:44:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 06:44:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: McCullaghJ@Logica.com Subject: Re: computer music To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2b (Intl) 16 December 1999 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:42:14 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DublinDomino01/SRV/Aldiscon(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 23/06/2000 11:42:19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bret: > I don't think these label distinctions are as cut > and dried as suggested, at least not in common usage. True .. and then there are artists who remix their own records live .. you can check out some Aphex Twin live sets here: http://www.joyrex.com/content_live.html And the DJ from Portishead, who writes the music, records it, has it pressed onto vinyl, and then DJ's with that ! Remixing goes back to Teo Macero's work with Miles 1968-75. The liner notes to the remastered Bitches Brew give the editing structure of "Pharaoh's Dance", and it's amazing .. something like 22 edits in 20 minutes. At one stage they took a 4 bar rhythm section loop, and repeated it, while putting a solo over it. Now that was a creative jump. But Teo was essentially remixing someone else's music, and in that sense, he was the first remix artist. Using turntables to resequence other people's music seems to go back to the birth of hip hop (was it Cool Herc who introduced the 2 turntable setup? not sure..). The primary use was to generate good sequences for dancing to, and to get "breakbeats" .. taking the 4 or 8 bar drum break from certain songs, using 2 copies on vinyl, and switching between them to form a few minutes of just the break. It was a different beast to Teo's work, and IMO (although some of it was good) it lead on to stuff like Puff Daddy and other assorted "rip the chorus out of a Steely Dan song, loop it, rap over it : that's a track" stuff. I'm not a fan of that. But building good, 'original' tracks from turntables (although the definition of 'original' may be up for grabs here) does require skill. Just go to a club with a bad DJ for all to be revealed. But I am a fan of people like Aphex Twin, Squarepusher, Photek, Autechre .. more in the "remixer" vein, but certainly owing something to DJs. But they all remix their own source material. Fatboy Slim works entirely from samples of other people's work, and (although it can be class) I feel it's missing something. A judicious use of _some_ external samples along with original material is a good balance .. the Chemical Brothers for instance. $0.02 J From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 07:36:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14875; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:34:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:34:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000301bfdd06$b6bc4fc0$9daa5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #170 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:31:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #170 June 22, 2000. On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Dutch synthesist Ron Boots. The feature CD at Midnight was the "Moments" disk from the six disc collection "The 80's Box" on the Groove label. Congratulations to Audrey and Randall who were the callers who won the CD giveaways of Revival and Tales, respectively. EMUSIC ran an extra hour! ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Revival Transition 2 Revival (none) Revival La Fille de la Foret Revival (none) Terra Firma Shine Sounds from the Ground (Waveform) Radio Massacre Build Borrowed Atoms (Centaur) International Michael Stearns Seven Within Nine Dimensions (Earth Turtle) Steve Roach & Black Cloud Solitaire: Ritual Ground (Projekt) Elmar Schulte 12:00 am Ron Boots Only With You Moments (Groove) Ron Boots Cosmos Moments (Groove) Ron Boots Clearmind Moments (Groove) Ron Boots Rivers Moments (Groove) Ron Boots Once Never Moments (Groove) Ron Boots Final Moments (Groove) 1:00 am Ron Boots Himalaya Moments (Groove) Ron Boots Thomaskerk Moments (Groove) Tales Aldebaran in Sight Interstellar Memories (SIT) Free System Projekt Substance Pointless Reminder (Quantum) VA [Frank Specht] Moving Gift (Invisible Shadows) Artemiy Artemiev & Space Icon Space Icon (Electroshock) Peter Frohmader 2:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Ron Boots. Each week's feature CD at midnight will be taken from the Boots 80's Box, a collection of his early cassette releases remastered and other rare tracks. The feature CD at midnight will be "Bookworks" on the Groove label. As a special bonus, next week's show will run an EXTRA HOUR! There will be CD giveaways at midnight and 1:00 for the determined listeners. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 09:39:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15296; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:37:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:37:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <056e01bfdd17$ebfee4c0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Loopevangelism: another success story Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:35:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I really liked this story! Maybe we need a "Tail of the Loop" page on the website? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 09:50:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15557; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:49:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:49:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.1.20000623092751.00a95ee0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:43:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: p koniuto Subject: --scratch perry-- In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ben/SoccerMom wrote: >for musical collaborators who like things like Steve Reich, Funkstorung, >Negativland, Miles Davis esp. 70's, The Residents, Brians Eno and Wilson, >Autechre, Lee Scratch Perry, Music Concrete, RZA, Harry Partch, Ennio >Morricone, Sun Ra, Can, etc. Lee Scratch Perry! That's a name i don't remember seeing on this list before! I don't own a lot of what he did, but the stuff from the _Roast Fish Collie Weed & Corn Bread_ era is amazing. He seemed to be doing a lot with vari-speed, like the lead voice would be straight ahead but all the supporting tracks would make some listeners sea sick. And talk about sampling--i don't know about other people's music, but he spun real world sounds (babies crying, doorbells, whatever) in and out the music all over the place. When i first heard it i thought the man must be one sick puppy, and i loved it. Now, he musta been doing some tape-looping back then....and maybe more sophisticated looping since then. Does anyone know more about him, and whether or not he's a looper? (He is still around, right?) -pjk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 10:28:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15888; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:26:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:26:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005101bfdd1f$8a6a2500$17310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <0056910005673209000002L192*@MHS> <004301bfdcc3$1d62a240$d8eaa118@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: computer music Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:30:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > From what I have heard and from my humble experiments, I think that the > ideas of DJ culture, sampling, filtering, and remixing will become pervasive > in music. It is the coming wave > > It's already here. > It's been here and left the station... DJ "culture" is a result of the pervasiveness of 'sampling, filtering, and remixing', not it's cause. It's the old wave. Where have you been? - Larry T From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 10:44:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16201; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:41:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:41:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005d01bfdd21$919280a0$17310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: Subject: Re: computer music Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:44:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <-84iZB.A.F8D.Xb3U5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Bret: > > I don't think these label distinctions are as cut > > and dried as suggested, at least not in common usage. > > True .. and then there are artists who remix their own records live .. you > can check out some Aphex Twin live sets here: > http://www.joyrex.com/content_live.html > And the DJ from Portishead, who writes the music, records it, has it > pressed onto vinyl, and then DJ's with that ! Yes, the techinique of creating dub plates goes back to the Jamaican Dub mixers/artist like King Tubby and Lee Scratch Perry in the 60's and 70's. Tubby is usually credited for the Dub plate technique. > Using turntables to resequence other people's music seems to go back to the > birth of hip hop (was it Cool Herc who introduced the 2 turntable setup? > not sure..) Correct. The original Hip-Hop nation in the South Bronx brought back this technique (or rediscovered it), e.g., Sugar Hill Gang, Afrika Bambatta, and the other pioneers of Rap. Unfortunately it has degenerated to the point of dreck like Puff Daddy, et al. But that's what happens to good ideas all the time. Beat that dead horse to a bloody pulp... Autechre definitely comes from the Hip Hop vein of remixers - influenced by everything under the sun, as are Aphex and the rest of the Ambient/ Intelligent dance mafia. - Larry T From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 10:52:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16429; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:50:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:50:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:53:28 -0700 Subject: Re: --scratch perry-- From: Benjamin Furstenberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.1.20000623092751.00a95ee0@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Now, he musta been doing some tape-looping > back then....and maybe more sophisticated > looping since then. Does anyone know more > about him, and whether or not he's a looper? > (He is still around, right?) Yeah, he is still around. I saw him perform with Mad Professor at the board. Both such sonic innovators, aside from all the Jamaican Concrete tricks, they pushed so many boundaries, experimenting with radically creative use of effects, eq, tempo-related echo, etc. as musical instruments,, the idea that any song can be renewed in endless "versions" (this is one of the most radical ideas in modern culture, the erasure of the original), that there need be no beginning nor end to consider as absolute, that the recording studio is *the* instrument, that popular music can be expanded in any dimension desired, such as time: it need not be 2:50, and so on. On top of this is that here were guys working with extremely limited means (even more than people like Wilson or George Martin, to say the least), which always makes me wonder if my gear lust isn't anathema to raw creation. >Does anyone know more >about him, and whether or not he's a looper? As you define it, creative tape echo effects are not looping? Does this list have, like the IDM list, a doctrinaire idea of its organizing principal? Its not a bad thing nec., but I suppose I should refer to the charter carefully. I've always loved loopiness, as I define it, but I've come to feel ambivalent about it given the emergence of the aforementioned "Puff Daddy" approach and all of the non hip-hop parallels of it. At worst, looping is the musical analog to cultural and personal tendencies like regression, nostalgia, conservatism, stagnancy. I've come to feel that loops are a powerful tool that should be used judiciously, in tandem with a larger set of tools, techniques and ideas. I like evolving loops that are in a contextual network and that don't necessarily sound like loops, by this I don't nec. mean 10 minute drones that are arhythmic. I'm sure I'm not the first to make these pronouncements. Sorry for the desultory, long post. Ben PS is there a Loopers' Manifesto? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 11:14:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16762; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:12:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:12:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix6.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:11:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: computer music In-Reply-To: <004201bfdcb2$600fc980$fb22dacf@z8y9w0> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: > Phooey kids, I've got an autographed Les Paul kazoo (only he called it a > Pazoo, as it has a carborator-type hole for extra accents). Outstanding > sustain, too! :) > (the light goes on...) ohhhhh!!!! that's a KAZOO!!!????!! yknow, w/ the carb and shit i always thought.... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 11:33:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17034; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:30:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:30:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:35:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: jamman questions Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I know these are boring old issues, but now they pertain to me! Where >can I get reliable memory upgrades for my JamMan, at the best price? I >located one seller who offers the four zip chips for $80, assuring the >quality, and though I know this is cheaper than a few years ago, looking >through the archives, I wonder if I can't do better. $80 is not bad considering that i paid twice that for my first jamman,and about $120 for the second one. Poor folks like me...buying ram for computers and electronics before we could even conceptualize 'price shopping' for the damn stuff. there's probably even a few dollars still on my credit card from the $700 i had to pay for 16mb of Power Mac ram in '94. Believe me...opening up the jamman to 32 seconds for $80 is worth it. Just have a load of fun getting the memory in and out. yuck. easy on those pins! >What is the latest on the ROM upgrade by Bob Sellon? Anyone know? what's up with this thing? Sellon's upgrade is as ephemeral as EDP shipping dates...I got no response from contacting him directly. And for the Off Topic subject o' the day. Just got my v2.0 upgrade for my Line6 POD, and i must say, for under $300, this is an awesome, flexible sonic machine if you record guitar direct, and the new software makes it even better! seeya, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 11:49:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17222; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:47:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:47:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:53:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mark Subject: Re: jamman questions Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Ben (if I may use your real name) I'm not sure where you can get cheap memory for your JamMan, but I'm very interested in finding fellow loopers for colaboration. I'm a guitarist, but I use a Mac for a lot of my audio needs, Cubase, Spark or Metro. (actually the list is a lot longer!) I also live in San Francisco. Moved here about 10 months ago and have yet to play live on the west coast, but I think it's about time! Anyway, this weekend I'm going to Santa Cruz for a little Loop fest (contact the guy on the list that goes by Papa Dave if you want to go) but usually weekend are good for a little music. Let me know, Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 11:51:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17299; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:48:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:48:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix6.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:47:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: "looper's delight" Subject: remixing: a looper's perspective! In-Reply-To: <005d01bfdd21$919280a0$17310140@concentric.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Bret wrote: > I don't think these label distinctions are as cut and > dried as suggested, at least not in common usage. > > What is DJ Shadow, who cuts and pastes music samples? > > Why are there many "turntablist" who call themselves > 'DJ' whatever (e.g. DJ Logic)? well - methinks any artiste can use any moniker of their choosing & have it accepted... but i thought the semantic issue was more one of the REST of us being able to differentiate human juke box from human beat box... but then... you don't actually see anyone tagging themselves "keyboard player marmite" or suchlike... then Larry Tremblay wrote: > Unfortunately it has degenerated to the > point of dreck like Puff Daddy, et al. But that's what happens to good > ideas all the time. Beat that dead horse to a bloody pulp... such evil works serve the ultra-important purpose of pissing some of us off so mightily that we're impelled to persue new forms of expression beyond those currently commercially available. of course, the drawback is the ever-present danger that one or more of us can at any moment commit mass-murder in an elevator or clothing store when that once-too-often re-play of (name yr poisen here) comes around. wouldn't it be great if, somewher out there, established rec. artists are at times saying no, i do NOT give you permisson bug the shit out of this world with my riff, no matter how much dough you throw at me. ok, ok,... i can dream, can't i... then, McCullaghJ@Logica.compointed out: > Remixing goes back to Teo Macero's work with Miles 1968-75. The liner notes to the remastered Bitches Brew give the editing structure of "Pharaoh's Dance", and it's amazing .. something like 22 edits in 20 minutes. At one stage they took a 4 bar rhythm section loop, and repeated it, while putting a solo over it. < beware of the kind of "remixing" as seen in the liner notes of 70's live albums which advertises: "remixed at wally hieder's" and REALLY means "crappy guitar solo with fuckups replaced at and additional wildly enthusiastic audience applause overdubbed at..." ;> yes. i crack me up. my actual point was gonna be - i think there's a nifty little distinction to be drawn between that looping which is used as one step in a process that goes on from there (like macero splicing a passage for further o'dubs) and that looping which is in itself an end-product - tho it may be fluid and change/mutate over time so as not to be the initial phrase/passage at all.... its intention is one defined by it's own statement, not a statement that supports a further preconceived one... whooa... pretty thick! i better hold it down to on cup of coffee in the morning from here on out! rbrt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 13:15:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17677; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:12:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:12:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:19:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: The state of Rap, was Re: computer music Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:44 AM 6/23/00, Larry Tremblay wrote: > >Correct. The original Hip-Hop nation in the South Bronx brought back this >technique (or rediscovered it), e.g., Sugar Hill Gang, Afrika Bambatta, >and the other pioneers of Rap. Unfortunately it has degenerated to the >point of dreck like Puff Daddy, et al. But that's what happens to good >ideas all the time. Beat that dead horse to a bloody pulp... While as much of an abomination as Puff Daddy's music is (though I do dig his Led Zep appropriation for the Godzilla soundtrack: Double-tracked orchestras, yeah baby), I don't think it's quite fair to say that hip-hop/rap has as a genre degenerated to his level. Yeah, there's plenty of crummy commercial rap around, and he's not the only offender, but I actually think there's a kind of hip-hop renaissance going on right now, I've heard more interesting hip-hop records in the last year than anytime since, say, Fear of a Black Planet and Paul's Boutique. Any of the Quannum Project and related stuff, any Kool Keith/Dr. Octagon/Black Elvis or whatever psuedonym he's working under currently, People under the Stairs, etc. I think that there's a new approach to wordplay coming about, more open rhythmically, more free-associative, more improvisational. One record that I think shows the state of the new hip=hop art is the 1999 Material release Intonarumori, which, up to Laswell's usual standards, is incredibly well-produced and features some of the best of the new generation of rappers, as well as stalwarts like Flavor Flav. One track in particular has Killa Priest of the Wu Tang Clan doing an absolutely chilling paranoid rap over minimal tambura, electronic drones and a distant tabla, a piece that creeps me out in the best possible way every time I hear it. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 14:06:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18145; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:05:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:05:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jprice01@aol.com Message-ID: <3a.6e124bb.2685008a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:03:54 EDT Subject: Re: The state of Rap, was Re: computer music To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ahemmm, being from Philly and talkin bout hip hop u know jones and joint, yeah..well damn, um like dig it, cuz its all real, ya know ? U all seem to have forgotten to give props out to arguably the most important and significant "hip-hop-new sould band", i mean only real deal band in Hip-hop...The Roots. These guys actually sell records aint a cult act and are quite respectable in many ways all on their own terms...they are all nice guys too. BTW, Rumor has it the fugees were a blueprint desinged on the frame work and perspecvtive the roots were layin down since like 1988..plus they were all friends and well acquainted with each other. Also ck the digable Planets debut...philly connections galore there but their whole sound was rooted and based on the roots style. In lots a ways u can make a paralell to the roots being a lot like The Band was and more in different respects but u can make a correlation of sorts. The roots started out doing bop-hip hop and odd metered grooves funk with upright bass live drums and essentially a very organic sound in an era of midi time code...everybody thought they were crazy. The Root's have kinda dumbed down their sets to be in 4/4 time and danceable and easilly groovin but their live shows are all still truly smokin and the hottest phattest and most live Hip Hop act goin on dah planet. Les Nubians, ZAp Mamma and Eryka Baddhu have all had their bking tracks done by the roots. and this band is once again actually selling records to large audiences and playing Hip Hop that is intelligent groovin and commercial. The roots got mad crazy big the old fashioned way: hard work. Their production company is also respoonsible for EVE ( Another philly phenom )...cant remeber the name of that company..buta lot of cool new acts are coming out based upon the path the roots have blazed or moreover opened up for other likemended musicians. Philly is extremely in da house and representin ! PEACE ! JP/AKASH "Remember to Always Kill your Expectations". Ck AKASH out on the web for pics & LINKS TO AKASH music streamed in MP3 Format: http://hometown.aol.com/akashmusic/myhomepage/personal.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 14:38:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18346; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:26:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:26:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3953AC71.2F859ED2@voicenet.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:29:05 -0400 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AH , "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Gigs this weekend in Phila PA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My electronic project, Music For Isolation Tanks, will be performing a live set of electronic/avant nonsense as part of the Big Mess Cabaret's evening on both June 23rd and June 24th. Acts will go on all evening alternating on the main Trocadero stage as well as in the Balcony bar. MFIT will close the show upstairs at the Balcony around 1:00 AM. It will be a fitting cap to an amazing night of entertainment. Check out the BIG MESS web link at www.bigmess.com TWO BIG MESSY SHOWS: Friday June 23th Saturday June 24th @ the Trocadero (10th/Arch St.. Phila). $10 general admission, $15 table seating. 21+ only. Featuring: The Big Mess Orchestra and Singers The Brothers Suggarillo Peggy Honeywell David Talento/Music For Isolation Tanks and MUCH more!! ____________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 15:23:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18734; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:21:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:21:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:20:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@red To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Mandelbrot Fest in Hartford CT next weekend Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA18689 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mandelbrot Space Rock Festival Jun 30-Jul 1 2000 Elks Pavillion 148 Roberts Street East Hartford CT. June 30, 2000 Time Band Web site ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 7:00 Canis Minor www.canis-minor.com/ 8:30 Escapade www.motherwest.com/escapade/ 10:00 Orànj Climax 11:30 Sloterdijk community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/ July 1, 2000 Time Band Web site ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1:00 Das Ludicroix 2:30 Born to Go www.borntogo.com/ 4:00 Ludent Tremmel's Gno www.cleefo.com/gno.htm 5:30 Architectural Metaphor geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/7713/arcmet.html 7:00 The Dark Aether Project www.darkaether.net 8:30 Quarkspace www.quarkspace.com 10:00 Alien Planetscapes geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/7713/intro.html 11:30 Nebula Trip www.nebula-trip.com Tickets: 2 day pass - $20.00 1 day pass - $12.00 ($15.00 at the gate) Make checks payable to Nebula Trip LLC and send to: Mandelbrot Tix c/o Nebula Trip PO Box 380737 East Hartford, CT 06138-0737 Email tjj6662@prodigy.net for more info From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 15:25:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18882; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:23:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:23:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:23:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: traig Subject: for fun: The state of Rap - our founding fathers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://www.jibjab.com/linkindex.asp?link=cartoons/raps/rp_movie01.htm Traig Foltz Audio Production Specialist University of Notre Dame Office of Information Technology Office: (219)631 - 3752 Fax: (219) 631 - 8777 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 15:54:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19145; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:53:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:53:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: spat@visi.com Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.20000623195131.006986ac@pop.visi.com> X-Sender: spat@pop.visi.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:51:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Frank & stupidity Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ken R wrote: >Three incredibly boorish and disingenuous statements from a man never short >of boorish and disingenuous statements...I like some of his music and all, >but why is he suddenly an authority on stupidity and/or (presumably) >intelligence? one doesn't need to be an authority on something to observe it or comment on it. You *don't* see an incredible amount of stupidity around you in your everyday life? Not seeing rampant stupidity in our modern society is like not seeing the forest for the trees. steve From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 16:48:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19386; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:47:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:47:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ad01bfdd52$f47b20b0$17310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <1.5.4.32.20000623195131.006986ac@pop.visi.com> Subject: Re: Frank & stupidity Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:35:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The whole justification for the current welfare state, big government and religion/superstition is that most people are stupid. The other side of the Mobocratic coin is fear - most people are afraid of life and its risks. Hence, the world has no shortage of stupid cowards. It's a sad fact. - Larry T ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 3:51 PM Subject: Re: Frank & stupidity > Ken R wrote: > > >Three incredibly boorish and disingenuous statements from a man never short > >of boorish and disingenuous statements...I like some of his music and all, > >but why is he suddenly an authority on stupidity and/or (presumably) > >intelligence? > > one doesn't need to be an authority on something to observe it or comment on it. > You *don't* see an incredible amount of stupidity around you in your everyday life? > Not seeing rampant stupidity in our modern society is like not seeing the forest for the trees. > > steve > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 16:54:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19556; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:53:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:53:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.1.20000623164924.00a9d990@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:50:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: p koniuto Subject: Re: for fun: The state of Rap - our founding fathers In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Traig: In tears, man...in tears.... -pjk >http://www.jibjab.com/linkindex.asp?link=cartoons/raps/rp_movie01.htm >Traig Foltz >Audio Production Specialist >University of Notre Dame >Office of Information Technology >Office: (219)631 - 3752 >Fax: (219) 631 - 8777 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 17:25:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19783; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:24:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:24:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000623212334.20828.qmail@web109.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:23:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Frank & Albert To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <00YxO.A.k0E.YV9U5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. " - Albert Einstein --- KRosser414@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/22/00 6:19:02 PM Pacific > Daylight Time, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com writes: > > > "I make a distinction between ignorance, stupidity > and > > idiocy. And fortunately we have an abundance of > all > > three in the United States." Frank Zappa Oct 22, > 1988 > > > > "It would be easier to pay off the national debt > > overnight than to neutralize the long range > effects of > > our NATIONAL STUPIDITY" - Frank Zappa, from > testimony > > before Congress in 1986 > > > > "Scientists believe that the universe is made of > > hydrogen because they claim it's the most > plentiful > > ingredient. I claim the most plentiful ingredient > is > > stupidity." - Frank Zappa, > 1993 > > > > Three incredibly boorish and disingenuous statements > from a man never short > of boorish and disingenuous statements...I like some > of his music and all, > but why is he suddenly an authority on stupidity > and/or (presumably) > intelligence? > > Sorry, absolutely nothing to say about looping at > the moment... > > Ken R > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 17:51:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19967; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:50:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:50:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01bfdd5d$2d8d5f80$d8eaa118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <0056910005673209000002L192*@MHS> <004301bfdcc3$1d62a240$d8eaa118@tampabay.rr.com> <005101bfdd1f$8a6a2500$17310140@concentric.net> Subject: Re: computer music Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:51:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You talkin' to me, Larry? Paolo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Tremblay" To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 10:30 AM Subject: Re: computer music > > > > > From what I have heard and from my humble experiments, I think that the > > ideas of DJ culture, sampling, filtering, and remixing will become > pervasive > > in music. It is the coming wave > > > > It's already here. > > > > It's been here and left the station... > > DJ "culture" is a result of the pervasiveness of 'sampling, filtering, > and remixing', not it's cause. It's the old wave. Where have you been? > > - Larry T > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 17:56:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20127; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:55:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:55:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005d01bfdd5d$c05a3ea0$d8eaa118@tampabay.rr.com> From: "pvallad1" To: References: <0056910005673209000002L192*@MHS> <004301bfdcc3$1d62a240$d8eaa118@tampabay.rr.com> <005101bfdd1f$8a6a2500$17310140@concentric.net> Subject: Re: computer music Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:55:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > From what I have heard and from my humble experiments, I think that the > > ideas of DJ culture, sampling, filtering, and remixing will become > pervasive > > in music. It is the coming wave > > > > It's already here. > > > > It's been here and left the station... > > DJ "culture" is a result of the pervasiveness of 'sampling, filtering, > and remixing', not it's cause. It's the old wave. Where have you been? > > - Larry T Aww, heck, I'll assume he's talking to me. Yes, I know that, Larry. It's all over the radio and all over this list. Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 18:11:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20316; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:07:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:07:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: davelinn@micron.net Message-ID: <001601bfdd5f$9e834d60$78fa153f@micron.net> To: References: <1.5.4.32.20000623195131.006986ac@pop.visi.com> <00ad01bfdd52$f47b20b0$17310140@concentric.net> Subject: Re: Frank & stupidity Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:08:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <3SR6FC.A.58E.z99U5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So, if you're religious (or spiritually minded) you're stupid? And all this time I've been under the delusion of being moderately intelligent. Thanks for setting me straight. I'm willing to give up my false notion of intellectuality... but not my faith. Now I just hope I'm smart enough to operate all this gear with the flashing red lights... David Linn > The whole justification for the current welfare state, big > government and religion/superstition is that most people are > stupid. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 18:16:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20482; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:15:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:15:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQuvVOGDxZz+e2DMz+fWB16Vu/7YAIUYhZr+nXdjbBrEtGTFjNG30/tDv4= From: DanKoontz@webtv.net (Dan Koontz) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:14:44 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: re-mixing/sampling Message-ID: <6390-3953E154-4827@storefull-246.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com While we're on the subject of DJ culture/sampling/remixing, I have a gear question. I'm pretty new to sampling, and I'd like to know if it's possible to completely cut out certain instruments out of a mix when sampling off of a record. Would I need a good mixer, or filters, eq, or somethig else? I tried the Electrix EQ- killer, and it didn't do the job. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 18:22:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20660; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:21:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:21:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <05fd01bfdd61$3ae55ee0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Looping (was Re: Frank & stupidity) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:20:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At the DANGER of talking about looping... I've been experimenting with Shepard's Tone (see: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/nest/imager/contributions/flinn/Illusions/ST/st.html and http://www.ee.washington.edu/conselec/CE/sp95reports/other_labs/shep.htm ). It's great for looping because Shepard's Tone IS a kind of loop itself. Anyway, I found a reference to Jean Claude Risset (in the first webpage above) saying, "For example, Jean Claude Risset has produced a rhythmic variant in which tempo appears to increase (or decrease) continuously." Does anybody know more about Risset's work in this area? [And please, no jokes about "Risset must have been a drummer." :) ] Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 19:39:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20946; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:37:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:37:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:43:20 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Looping (was Re: Frank & stupidity) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <01b901bfdd6c$d05e4a30$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <05fd01bfdd61$3ae55ee0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com cool sites. the sound of the sweep on the uw site (bda.wav) didn't sound right to me at all, though i made some sweeps based on shepard tones a few years ago and have yet to use them in a musical way. if anyone is interested in hearing them, drop me an email. (i don't have my own web site just yet) -jim palmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 5:20 PM Subject: Looping (was Re: Frank & stupidity) > At the DANGER of talking about looping... > > I've been experimenting with Shepard's Tone (see: > http://www.cs.ubc.ca/nest/imager/contributions/flinn/Illusions/ST/st.html > and > http://www.ee.washington.edu/conselec/CE/sp95reports/other_labs/shep.htm ). > > It's great for looping because Shepard's Tone IS a kind of loop itself. > > Anyway, I found a reference to Jean Claude Risset (in the first webpage above) > saying, "For example, Jean Claude Risset has produced a rhythmic variant in > which tempo appears to increase (or decrease) continuously." > > Does anybody know more about Risset's work in this area? > > [And please, no jokes about "Risset must have been a drummer." :) ] > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 20:20:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21282; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 20:19:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 20:19:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: davelinn@micron.net Message-ID: <001901bfdd72$179ae2a0$f8ff0b3f@micron.net> To: References: <05fd01bfdd61$3ae55ee0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Looping (was Re: Frank & stupidity) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:21:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <_NixsD.A.6LF.w5_U5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for mentioning the subject of this list. I was starting to forget. This is some interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing. David Linn > At the DANGER of talking about looping... > > I've been experimenting with Shepard's Tone (see: > http://www.cs.ubc.ca/nest/imager/contributions/flinn/Illusions/ST/st.html > and > http://www.ee.washington.edu/conselec/CE/sp95reports/other_labs/shep.htm ). > > It's great for looping because Shepard's Tone IS a kind of loop itself. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 20:46:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21551; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 20:45:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 20:45:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.6a9c7a7.26855e50@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 20:44:00 EDT Subject: Re: Frank & stupidity To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ''Hence, the world has no shortage of stupid cowards. It's a sad fact.'' How can one truly understand the meaning of 'stupidity or coward' without first accepting it as a part of one's own self? In my 'sad' world all words and actions testify my beliefs. Trying my best not to let ignorance overtake me and filter truth is how I oppose fear. Peter B. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 21:18:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21845; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:17:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:17:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101bfdd8c$5a8b45e0$856202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> Reply-To: "Gregor Zavcer" From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: quannum vs. the roots Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 03:27:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com wouldn't that be a real hip-hop delight?:))) greetz, gregor p.s.: does anybody know (or has seen them) if quannum have concerts? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 21:18:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21852; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:17:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:17:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001bfdd8c$58e92ea0$856202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> Reply-To: "Gregor Zavcer" From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: Frank & stupidity Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 03:22:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >You *don't* see an incredible amount of stupidity around you in your everyday life? >Not seeing rampant stupidity in our modern society is like not seeing the forest for the trees. > >steve > hey, a friend of mine said: "if stupidy hurt, people would be screaming all the time" just had to say that. greetz gregor From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 21:24:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22137; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:23:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:23:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001bfdd8d$47ee73c0$856202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> Reply-To: "Gregor Zavcer" From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: re-mixing/sampling Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 03:35:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >While we're on the subject of DJ culture/sampling/remixing, I have a >gear question. I'm pretty new to sampling, and I'd like to know if it's >possible to completely cut out certain instruments out of a mix when >sampling off of a record. Would I need a good mixer, or filters, eq, or >somethig else? I tried the Electrix EQ- killer, and it didn't do the >job. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! well, to single out an instrument is a hard task. in most cases you don't get a clean sample, but you can hide some of it in the final mix (but the price for that is that the mix could sound more "muddy"). i've heard that there's a program for the mac, which breaks the song apart. haven't tried it, because mac is not my platform. greetz, gregor From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 21:27:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22304; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:26:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:26:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004401bfdd8d$98cc0d20$856202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> Reply-To: "Gregor Zavcer" From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Yamaha Su700 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 03:37:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com y0, i was wondering if any of you guys use yamaha su700. i have it, but i'm not really happy with the speed of the zip drive, so i thought if there's anybody who's using it with a scsi hdd and could give me some numbers. thanx. greetz, gregor From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 21:51:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22506; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:50:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:50:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000623215412.007b6550@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:54:12 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: --scratch perry-- In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.1.20000623092751.00a95ee0@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 07:53 AM 6/23/00 -0700, you wrote: ... I'm sure I'm not the first to make these >pronouncements. Sorry for the desultory, long post. Ben >PS is there a Loopers' Manifesto? There's a website. Lots of good info there, including the answers to many of the most Frequently Asked Questions and a complete archive with new and improved searchability... I'm really not trying to be a wiseass (I guess it comes naturally), but you'd be amazed how many people pass right by the site's resources on the way to the list without checking them out. Regarding the esteemed Mr. Perry, you might like this site: I also had one bookmarked called "The Dub Page", but I'm getting a dead link; does anyone know if that site still exists? Through one of its links I once found an extremely interesting interview with Lee Perry in which he talked about what he's been doing for the past few years (His basement recording studio shares space with the washer and dryer, so he has to stop whenever his wife comes down to do the laundry. Yes, he really said that!) BTW, I bought two kazoos yesterday, a red one for myself and a purple one for my daughter. After a while she was starting to drive me nuts buzzing Backstreet Boys crap into hers, so I showed her how to play "Crosstown Traffic". Do-dooo-doodle-oo-doo-dooo... We were walking down a semi-busy street at the time and got some great glares from passersby... Priceless, I tell ya... Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 22:07:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22689; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 22:06:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 22:06:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.168.4.165] User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:05:42 -0700 Subject: Re: new list content? From: Frank Mabee To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <044c01bfdbaf$96bb72d0$02b4f9d0@mecasw.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello all, I'm part of a group that uses video projections in conjunction with dark ambient music. With video projectors, we've shown bits of Soviet propoganda films and a section of "Begotten" (we want to make our own images eventually -- something about copyright?). We don't own a video projector (cost prohibitive is right!), but were able to use one at CalArts and at USC. At Cal Arts we were able to project over us and onto the wall, so our shadows were part of the video image. I do own an old 16mm projector and we tried using that on one show, but the bulb exploded after much ominous smoking. The idea there was to use blurry and slow images of a circus rehersal. When the film ran out, we'd run it backwards. No concerns about syncing the material. It's there to be part of the mood. Musically, its guitar, bass, drum machine and some vocals and some live drums -- two people. I do a lot of looping on guitar to build up textures and keep loops of certain motifs in the mix. Very downbeat, shoegazey, minimalist stuff. Frank > From: "Ken M" > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:36:18 -0400 > To: > Subject: Re: new list content? > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:29:55 -0400 > > The guy who does my video presentation has an RCA projector (don't know the > model), the kind you see in bored rooms and the like. It works on a standard > computer signal and produces a 640x480 or 800x600 video projections. They > have newer ones that can do higher res as well. I believe he said the cost > was (to me) prohibitive -- $2000+ I just am lucky to know someone who has > one. I'm SURE there are more inexpensive ones, but you may sacrifice > quality and clarity. > > > Ken > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clifford@BienAppraisers" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 1:02 PM > Subject: Re: new list content? > > >> Hello- I am very interested in what type of projector you use and the cost >> of it- I recently saw an incredible show at MOCA here in L.A. by (I > forgot >> his nameee....damn) who used tons of small lcd projectors by Sony and >> Toshiba- they were awesome- I need to price them- but what do you use and >> did it cost a small fortune? >> Cliff >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ken M >> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Date: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 9:31 AM >> Subject: Re: new list content? >> >> >>> During my live segments, I have a projector playing out 3D images who > pulse >>> and transform to the music.. >>> (Which is to say that certain frequencies excite certain details of the > 3D >>> scene and cause changes.) >>> >>> It's marketed as a WinBlows screensaver, but the amount of conditions and >>> settings and oscillations make it an excellent visual play-toy for > people's >>> already wandering minds to lock in on... (It also helps because watching >>> someone play a loop is like dancing about architecture..) >>> >>> I wrote the author and he readily gave his permission to use it in live >>> performances. I would do the same if I were to set it up for display. >> It's >>> a great visual gadget. >>> >>> Check out: http://www.synthesoft.com/psych/psych.htm >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 11:55 AM >>> Subject: new list content? >>> >>> >>>>> Gotta say the list content does kind of suck these days. >>>> >>>> Well then, perhaps a question might be in order to liven things up. Is >>> anyone here involved in controlling VISUAL elements along with the > musical >>> in their performances? If so, want to detail what you do >>>> and how you're controlling things (recommendations, what is the visual >>> equivalent of the EDP, etc.)? >>>> >>>> Kevin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 22:07:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22759; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 22:06:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 22:06:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000623220545.00a22e00@mail.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 22:05:45 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: The state of Rap, was Re: computer music In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >While as much of an abomination as Puff Daddy's music is (though I do dig >his Led Zep appropriation for the Godzilla soundtrack: Double-tracked >orchestras, yeah baby), I don't think it's quite fair to say that >hip-hop/rap has as a genre degenerated to his level. Yeah, there's plenty >of crummy commercial rap around, and he's not the only offender, but I >actually think there's a kind of hip-hop renaissance going on right now, amen, Dave T. -- as usual - the crappy stuff rises to the top.. and we hear it...from the loudest jeeps at stop lights.... Dead Prez is another amazing addition to intelligent, destined-to-be-classic, deep, relevant history/culture based hip hop...... Project Object -The Music of FRANK ZAPPA -Sat Jun 24 - The Lion's Den NYC August tour - 8/3 thru 8/19 with IKE WILLIS - details coming soon! details & effluvia -http://www.projectobject.com JFK's LSD UFO - RA, MP3s, upcoming dates at http://www.ufomusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 23:07:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23158; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:01:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:01:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 20:03:40 -0700 Subject: Re: jamman questions From: Benjamin Furstenberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm interested in talking, for sure, even if we only play occasionally or it doesn't quite fit together. I am looking for one or a few creative people to get serious with, but in the meantime I'm open to anything. I'm not sure if I'm a looper. I'm not sure if anyone is coming from my musical perspective sometimes. You saw my brief list of inspirations, so if that didn't alienate you, I'm encouraged. I like so many different things and am reluctant to reduce myself to a single approach. Get in touch when you are free, Ben 503-1603, I live in Low Ha. > From: Mark > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:53:44 -0700 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: jamman questions > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:50:13 -0400 > > Hey Ben (if I may use your real name) > > I'm not sure where you can get cheap memory for your JamMan, but I'm very > interested in finding fellow loopers for colaboration. I'm a guitarist, > but I use a Mac for a lot of my audio needs, Cubase, Spark or Metro. > (actually the list is a lot longer!) > > I also live in San Francisco. Moved here about 10 months ago and have yet > to play live on the west coast, but I think it's about time! Anyway, this > weekend I'm going to Santa Cruz for a little Loop fest (contact the guy on > the list that goes by Papa Dave if you want to go) but usually weekend are > good for a little music. Let me know, > > Mark > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 23:10:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23333; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:09:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:09:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 20:12:13 -0700 Subject: Re: jamman questions From: Benjamin Furstenberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9qipeD.A.5rF.tYCV5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sorry, I meant that to be off-list...long day. Though anyone in Bay Area who has similar seriousness and tastes (or totally complimentary ones!) is welcome to get in touch. Are my listed influences not as eclectic and irreconcilable and incongruous as I think? The list of course goes on... > From: Benjamin Furstenberg > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 20:03:40 -0700 > To: > Subject: Re: jamman questions > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:02:38 -0400 > > I'm interested in talking, for sure, even if we only play occasionally or it > doesn't quite fit together. I am looking for one or a few creative people > to get serious with, but in the meantime I'm open to anything. I'm not sure > if I'm a looper. I'm not sure if anyone is coming from my musical > perspective sometimes. You saw my brief list of inspirations, so if that > didn't alienate you, I'm encouraged. I like so many different things and am > reluctant to reduce myself to a single approach. > Get in touch when you are free, Ben > 503-1603, I live in Low Ha. > >> From: Mark >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:53:44 -0700 >> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Subject: Re: jamman questions >> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:50:13 -0400 >> >> Hey Ben (if I may use your real name) >> >> I'm not sure where you can get cheap memory for your JamMan, but I'm very >> interested in finding fellow loopers for colaboration. I'm a guitarist, >> but I use a Mac for a lot of my audio needs, Cubase, Spark or Metro. >> (actually the list is a lot longer!) >> >> I also live in San Francisco. Moved here about 10 months ago and have yet >> to play live on the west coast, but I think it's about time! Anyway, this >> weekend I'm going to Santa Cruz for a little Loop fest (contact the guy on >> the list that goes by Papa Dave if you want to go) but usually weekend are >> good for a little music. Let me know, >> >> Mark >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 23 23:22:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23496; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:19:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:19:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 20:22:40 -0700 Subject: Re: The state of Rap/Re: quannum vs. the roots From: Benjamin Furstenberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000623220545.00a22e00@mail.monmouth.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> actually think there's a kind of hip-hop renaissance going on right now, > Dead Prez is another amazing addition to intelligent, The Hieroglyphics collective too. I like the recent Price Paul stuff that I've heard, as well. > p.s.: does anybody know (or has seen them) if quannum have concerts? Quannum are a pretty recent convergence of Latyrx, Blackalicious, and Shadow, who apparently all go back to UC Davis and the radio station there (see the last issue of The Wire). I saw Latyrx in concert a couple years ago opening for De La. High energy, positive, impressive skills, unique, loads of feeling and integrity: I knew they were destined to blow up. I've heard The Roots throw a huge show live, esp. Razel. I think hip-hop is getting exciting again, too. Like in the days of Tribe and P.E. Any opinions on the Kid Koala album? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 01:19:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23864; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 01:17:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 01:17:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.1.20000624011202.00a921a0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: taghairm@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 01:14:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: p koniuto Subject: Re: --scratch perry-- In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000623215412.007b6550@pop.ici.net> References: <4.3.2.7.1.20000623092751.00a95ee0@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Regarding the esteemed Mr. Perry, you might like this site: > Thanks, i shall. >talked about what he's been doing for the past few years (His basement >recording studio shares space with the washer and dryer, so he has to stop >whenever his wife comes down to do the laundry. Yes, he really said that!) Judging by his earlier work, i'm surprised he stops... -pjk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 02:01:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24063; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:00:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:00:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000624060006.12878.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:00:06 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: OT: Fear & Stupidity To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom." Proverbs 9:10 As a natural born fool, I can attest to the truth- fullness of this statement. I may still be a fool, but I do believe I'm getting better. As for all of the fears that used to plague me, they are either banished or consigned to their proper places. The ass-holes of the world are fairly easy to spot. It's the one in my shaving mirror that usually sneaks up on me. I'm not trying to start any religious wars or debates. I sometimes think that I'm the least religious person I know. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 03:08:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24458; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 03:06:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 03:06:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Frank & stupidity Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 00:05:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <002001bfdd8c$58e92ea0$856202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I agree wholeheartedly with Frank Zappa, especially when seeing those funny scenes Jay Leno is so expert at squeezing out of the common folk on Los Angeles streets. It's a sad fact that this country has been going on inertia for some time. More than this country, I think our whole "Western Tradition." The fact that I have the freedom to sit down and loop with my Echoplex and my synths and my guitar gives me great pleasure, and would have been unheard of only three hundred years ago. In many ways, my life is better than many a king from the medieval ages— make that many of our lives. They should be turning in their graves at the joy I get when I stop playing at times and just sit quietly to listen to the loops I've been able to make. I don't think they were ever so happy, perhaps only when they were torturing somebody. But there is more to what Frank was talking about. I think many of you don't get it, so here's something to illustrate which I got on an e-mail and have now the pleasure of sharing with you: Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence? Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army; another had two sons captured. Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War. They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. What kind of men were they? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured. Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags. Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward. Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton. At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson Jr, noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt. Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months. John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart. Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates. Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not wild-eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education. They had security, but they valued liberty more. Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged: "For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor." They gave you and me a free and independent United States. The history books never told you a lot about what happened in the Revolutionary War. We didn't fight just the British. We were British subjects at that time and we fought our own government! Some of us take these liberties so much for granted, but we shouldn't. So, take a few minutes while enjoying your Fourth of July holiday and silently thank these patriots. It's not much to ask for the price they paid. Remember: freedom is never free! Next time you stop playing at your looper, stop and think of the great freedoms you enjoy in your life in this year 2000. And may Frank be playing to his heart's content up in heaven, wherever that may be. Hey, maybe he's looping! | -----Original Message----- | From: Gregor Zavcer [mailto:gregor.zavcer@kiss.uni-lj.si] | Sent: Friday 23 June 2000 8:23 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Frank & stupidity | | | | | | >You *don't* see an incredible amount of stupidity around you in your | everyday life? | >Not seeing rampant stupidity in our modern society is like not | seeing the | forest for the trees. | > | >steve | > | | hey, | | a friend of mine said: "if stupidy hurt, people would be | screaming all the | time" | | just had to say that. | | greetz | | gregor | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 03:14:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24676; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 03:13:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 03:13:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Fear & Stupidity Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 00:12:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <20000624060006.12878.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com When I was a really little kid I used to fear that I would want to go to the bathroom so badly in a public place that I would end up soiling my pants. But it never happened. After so many years, I've learnt to see that most fears are as silly as that. Now, you do some fancy shit on your Echoplex, that's what I call wisdom. Kim, when is that video of you showing off on the Echoplex coming out? | -----Original Message----- | From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] | Sent: Friday 23 June 2000 11:00 PM | To: Loopers Delight | Subject: OT: Fear & Stupidity | | | "The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom." | | Proverbs 9:10 | | | but I do believe I'm getting better. As for all of | the fears that used to plague me, they are either | banished or consigned to their proper places. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 03:14:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24671; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 03:12:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 03:12:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: jamman questions Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 00:12:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is that the Tampa Bay area in Florida or the Chesapeake Bay area in Massachusetts? Or the Monterey Bay area in California? Or the Green Bay area in Wisconsin? The Thunder Bay area in Ontario? Half Moon Bay area in California? Or the Hawkes Bay area in New Zealand? Or the Palm Bay area in Florida? Damn, with so many Bay areas, it's hard to keep track. | -----Original Message----- | From: Benjamin Furstenberg [mailto:benway@cea.edu] | Sent: Friday 23 June 2000 8:12 PM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: jamman questions | | | sorry, I meant that to be off-list...long day. Though anyone | in Bay Area who has similar seriousness and tastes From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 05:15:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA25143; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 05:13:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 05:13:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01bfddbb$94eac560$4e4be0d5@pandora.be> From: "soundmind" To: References: <20000624060006.12878.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: Fear & Stupidity Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:07:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Quotes from the bible? Jeeez(!) We can only hope he's the last religious person on the world. With religion gone, a great part of stupidity will have went with it. Jan Geerts ----- Original Message ----- From: John Tidwell To: Loopers Delight Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 8:00 AM Subject: OT: Fear & Stupidity > "The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom." > > Proverbs 9:10 > > > As a natural born fool, I can attest to the truth- > fullness of this statement. I may still be a fool, > but I do believe I'm getting better. As for all of > the fears that used to plague me, they are either > banished or consigned to their proper places. > > The ass-holes of the world are fairly easy to spot. > It's the one in my shaving mirror that usually sneaks > up on me. > > I'm not trying to start any religious wars or debates. > I sometimes think that I'm the least religious person > I know. > > John > > > > > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 05:34:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA25319; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 05:33:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 05:33:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000624093212.21300.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:32:12 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Fear & Stupidity To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was talking about God. Why are you talking about religion? John --- soundmind wrote: > Quotes from the bible? Jeeez(!) > We can only hope he's the last religious person on > the world. > With religion gone, a great part of stupidity will > have went with it. > > Jan Geerts > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Tidwell > To: Loopers Delight > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 8:00 AM > Subject: OT: Fear & Stupidity > > > > "The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom." > > > > Proverbs 9:10 > > > > > > As a natural born fool, I can attest to the > truth- > > fullness of this statement. I may still be a fool, > > but I do believe I'm getting better. As for all of > > the fears that used to plague me, they are either > > banished or consigned to their proper places. > > > > The ass-holes of the world are fairly easy to > spot. > > It's the one in my shaving mirror that usually > sneaks > > up on me. > > > > I'm not trying to start any religious wars or > debates. > > I sometimes think that I'm the least religious > person > > I know. > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > John Tidwell > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 08:43:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25965; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 08:41:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 08:41:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001a01bfddd9$9bdb8580$645c56d1@fuzzbox> From: "c.white" To: References: <20000624060006.12878.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> <000f01bfddbb$94eac560$4e4be0d5@pandora.be> Subject: Re: Fear & Stupidity Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 08:42:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <17iVZ.A.KVG.UwKV5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i think we all know there is a big difference between being religious and being spiritual.................... ----- Original Message ----- From: "soundmind" To: Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 5:07 AM Subject: Re: Fear & Stupidity > Quotes from the bible? Jeeez(!) > We can only hope he's the last religious person on the world. > With religion gone, a great part of stupidity will have went with it. > > Jan Geerts > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Tidwell > To: Loopers Delight > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 8:00 AM > Subject: OT: Fear & Stupidity > > > > "The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom." > > > > Proverbs 9:10 > > > > > > As a natural born fool, I can attest to the truth- > > fullness of this statement. I may still be a fool, > > but I do believe I'm getting better. As for all of > > the fears that used to plague me, they are either > > banished or consigned to their proper places. > > > > The ass-holes of the world are fairly easy to spot. > > It's the one in my shaving mirror that usually sneaks > > up on me. > > > > I'm not trying to start any religious wars or debates. > > I sometimes think that I'm the least religious person > > I know. > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > John Tidwell > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 09:20:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26341; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 09:19:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 09:19:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000624131827.61035.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [213.45.220.190] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MClark:OrvilleRules Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 15:18:27 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael, ORVILLE is an EVENTIDE unit, NOT LEXICON at all...so what the hell did you check out??? Regarding you questions, you can do many of those things and way, way much more...the unit is unbelievable...you can program it on a large display in a graphic environment OR on a pc, even a cheap one like a 486, with a freeware program, called Vsig, that anybody can download free from www.eventide.com or www.eventide.com/oupdate. This second site contains also downloadable software for the unit, infos and a place where users can send and get presets, a free trade place. Vsig makes life easier...who else does a such extended and complete service to creative tweakers? NOBODY!!! Please check the unit at www.eventide.com where you can download the full 2 manuals, presets info (1000!) and understand the supreme logics of a machine that any other builder is light years away...believe me. Its list price in USA is 5.700 dollars; I'm sure you can get it cheaper...when I got mine I was able to sell equipment that I didn't need anymore for more than 8000 dollars, thanx to the power of ORVILLE. this is the best, check it out. ciao ITAL@@@P ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 09:59:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26565; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 09:58:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 09:58:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701bfde73$2809cf00$a78909d2@mpx.com.au> From: "cameron" To: References: <20000624060006.12878.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> <000f01bfddbb$94eac560$4e4be0d5@pandora.be> Subject: Re: Fear & Stupidity Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 00:01:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yep a quote from my book. "Religion fucked the world" ----- Original Message ----- From: soundmind To: Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 2:07 AM Subject: Re: Fear & Stupidity > Quotes from the bible? Jeeez(!) > We can only hope he's the last religious person on the world. > With religion gone, a great part of stupidity will have went with it. > > Jan Geerts > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Tidwell > To: Loopers Delight > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 8:00 AM > Subject: OT: Fear & Stupidity > > > > "The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom." > > > > Proverbs 9:10 > > > > > > As a natural born fool, I can attest to the truth- > > fullness of this statement. I may still be a fool, > > but I do believe I'm getting better. As for all of > > the fears that used to plague me, they are either > > banished or consigned to their proper places. > > > > The ass-holes of the world are fairly easy to spot. > > It's the one in my shaving mirror that usually sneaks > > up on me. > > > > I'm not trying to start any religious wars or debates. > > I sometimes think that I'm the least religious person > > I know. > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > John Tidwell > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 10:41:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26758; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:39:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:39:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: davelinn@micron.net Message-ID: <004101bfddea$4b7f8f80$5dff0b3f@micron.net> To: References: <20000624060006.12878.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> <000f01bfddbb$94eac560$4e4be0d5@pandora.be> <001a01bfddd9$9bdb8580$645c56d1@fuzzbox> Subject: Re: Fear, Stupidity & The Orville Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 08:41:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > i think we all know there is a big difference between being religious and > being spiritual The two are not mutually exclusive. I am both, and the two are inseparable in my own life. ANYWAY, I'd like to hear more about the ORVILLE from any users out there. I'd be perfectly willing to jettison some black boxes to fund the purchase of one. David Linn From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 10:44:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27035; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:43:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:43:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <9b.6cd403c.268622ce@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:42:22 EDT Subject: Re: Fear, Stupidity & The Orville To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what does religion have to do w/ looping? is this a religious group now? did i miss something? not wanting to step on people's toes or beliefs but i don't care what you believe. you can worship your neighbor's parrot. good for you. knock yourself out. just don't post about it. thank you for your understanding, =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 10:45:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27067; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:44:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:44:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901bfddea$90853d00$48da44d1@gary> From: "Gary Lehmann" To: References: <20000624131827.61035.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: MClark:OrvilleRules Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 07:43:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <-ZCUqB.A.klG.-jMV5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Michael, ORVILLE is an EVENTIDE unit, NOT LEXICON at all...so what the hell > did you check out??? > Regarding you questions, you can do many of those things and way, way much > more...the unit is unbelievable >Its list price in USA is > 5.700 dollars; I'm sure you can get it cheaper...when I got mine I was able > to sell equipment that I didn't need anymore for more than 8000 dollars, > thanx to the power of ORVILLE. this is the best, check it out. ciao ITAL@@@P > > This machine must be for those people who thought four EDPs were prohibitively expensive. Gary BTW, looks frighteningly good. G. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 11:12:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27452; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:10:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:10:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:07:30 EDT Subject: major rang and loop sighting To: mnelson@dmans.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com new '"guitar player" mag with trey anastasio on the cover, he speaks of loops and they show his set-up, 2 rangs none the less plus many other goodies........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 11:48:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27648; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:47:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:47:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:45:41 EDT Subject: Re: MClark:OrvilleRules To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/24/00 12:19:22 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, italoop@hotmail.com writes: << when I got mine I was able to sell equipment that I didn't need anymore for more than 8000 dollars, thanx to the power of ORVILLE. this is the best, check it out. ciao ITAL@@@P >> well lets hear some tunes then!!!.................michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 12:51:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27911; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:50:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:50:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:49:20 EDT Subject: Shameless Short Notice Live Thing To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com DreamLand will be performing tonight (June 24) at The Lotus Cup coffee/tea house at 9 (or 10 p.m.) 'til ? The Lotus Cup is at 505 Water Street, Corpus Christi, Texas. Admission free. Phone is (210) 883-9919. DreamLand is: Johnny A. Rodrigez on keyboards, synthesizer, native American flutes, extended vocal and treatments. James H. Sidlo on guitar, loops and treatments. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 13:13:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28086; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:11:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:11:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: davelinn@micron.net Message-ID: <002401bfddff$68d43580$e6f9153f@micron.net> To: References: <9b.6cd403c.268622ce@aol.com> Subject: Re: Fear, Stupidity & The Orville Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:10:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > what does religion have to do w/ looping? You're right, that's why I asked about the Orville. Enough of tangents. Let's get back to the music. To those who have the Orville, where did you get it? David Linn From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 13:27:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28318; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:26:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:26:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Fear & Stupidity Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:25:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <000f01bfddbb$94eac560$4e4be0d5@pandora.be> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's time for Mr. Geerts to pick up some Joseph Campbell as soon as possible (check him out at http://www.amazon.com). It's not the outside stereotypes of religion, most of which I agree suck, but the very profound nature of humanity's longing to "make sense" that Mr. Tidwell was referring to. To equate the "greater part of [our culture's] stupidity" with "religious person"(s) only shows a vast ignorance about the greater meaning of religion. Do a search in the Loopers' Delight archives for "spiritual" or otherwise "religious" e-mails. There have been great conversations here about the spirituality of looping, the "holiness" of looping. That you are a member of this list shows me you have seen glimpses of this, albeit confusing glimpses. Your heavy bias towards the awful stereotypes of religion in our culture is taxing your capability to connect with the "higher" spiritual layers of your self ("higher" or otherwise). The only hope I see for you is to continue looping and somehow luckily "bump" with some of those elements someday, before you die— the sooner the better. We are here to live, and while we live, to leave some looping for the future generations, since this one apparently doesn't care much. Pick up some Zappa books while you're at it. It'll help your looping. | -----Original Message----- | From: soundmind [mailto:soundmind@pandora.be] | Sent: Saturday 24 June 2000 2:07 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Fear & Stupidity | | | Quotes from the bible? Jeeez(!) | We can only hope he's the last religious person on the world. | With religion gone, a great part of stupidity will have went with it. | | Jan Geerts | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 13:42:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28499; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:41:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:41:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Fear & Stupidity Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:39:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <001a01bfddd9$9bdb8580$645c56d1@fuzzbox> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com And unfortunately this is a product of the semantics of our age, heavily loaded with vomitous politically correct inferences. Let's endeavor to peel the layers of mud from the pearls we find out in the world, but more importantly, to learn to differentiate between the mud and the pearl. And I am referring in large part to looping, so everybody stop talking about this already and go back to your looper. | -----Original Message----- | From: c.white [mailto:magicicada@mindspring.com] | Sent: Saturday 24 June 2000 5:42 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: Fear & Stupidity | | | i think we all know there is a big difference between being | religious and | being spiritual.................... | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "soundmind" | To: | Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 5:07 AM | Subject: Re: Fear & Stupidity | | | > Quotes from the bible? Jeeez(!) | > We can only hope he's the last religious person on the world. | > With religion gone, a great part of stupidity will have went with it. | > | > Jan Geerts | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: John Tidwell | > To: Loopers Delight | > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 8:00 AM | > Subject: OT: Fear & Stupidity | > | > | > > "The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom." | > > | > > Proverbs 9:10 | > > | > > | > > As a natural born fool, I can attest to the truth- | > > fullness of this statement. I may still be a fool, | > > but I do believe I'm getting better. As for all of | > > the fears that used to plague me, they are either | > > banished or consigned to their proper places. | > > | > > The ass-holes of the world are fairly easy to spot. | > > It's the one in my shaving mirror that usually sneaks | > > up on me. | > > | > > I'm not trying to start any religious wars or debates. | > > I sometimes think that I'm the least religious person | > > I know. | > > | > > John | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > ===== | > > John Tidwell | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > __________________________________________________ | > > Do You Yahoo!? | > > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! | > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ | > > | > > | > | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 13:49:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28668; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:48:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:48:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Shameless Short Notice Live Thing Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:46:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think somebody already made a public plea for folks to include the geographical location of the gig on the *subject* line so those of us outside immediate reach can quickly delete the e-mail and move on. Please! | -----Original Message----- | From: Jhsidlo@aol.com [mailto:Jhsidlo@aol.com] | Sent: Saturday 24 June 2000 9:49 AM | To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Shameless Short Notice Live Thing | | | DreamLand will be performing tonight (June 24) at The Lotus Cup | coffee/tea house at 9 (or 10 p.m.) 'til ? The Lotus Cup is at | 505 Water | Street, Corpus Christi, Texas. Admission free. Phone is (210) 883-9919. | DreamLand is: Johnny A. Rodrigez on keyboards, synthesizer, native | American flutes, extended vocal and treatments. | James H. Sidlo on guitar, loops and treatments. | | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 14:21:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28858; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 14:19:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 14:19:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000624131748.007f9580@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:17:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: MClark:OrvilleRules In-Reply-To: <20000624131827.61035.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <1ryUkB.A.UCH.6tPV5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks, Sorry, I meant Eventide, not Lexicon. Michael At 03:18 PM 6/24/00 CEST, you wrote: >Michael, ORVILLE is an EVENTIDE unit, NOT LEXICON at all...so what the hell >did you check out??? >Regarding you questions, you can do many of those things and way, way much >more...the unit is unbelievable...you can program it on a large display in a >graphic environment OR on a pc, even a cheap one like a 486, with a freeware >program, called Vsig, that anybody can download free from www.eventide.com >or www.eventide.com/oupdate. This second site contains also downloadable >software for the unit, infos and a place where users can send and get >presets, a free trade place. Vsig makes life easier...who else does a such >extended and complete service to creative tweakers? NOBODY!!! Please check >the unit at www.eventide.com where you can download the full 2 manuals, >presets info (1000!) and understand the supreme logics of a machine that any >other builder is light years away...believe me. Its list price in USA is >5.700 dollars; I'm sure you can get it cheaper...when I got mine I was able >to sell equipment that I didn't need anymore for more than 8000 dollars, >thanx to the power of ORVILLE. this is the best, check it out. ciao ITAL@@@P > > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 15:27:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29139; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 15:26:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 15:26:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01bfde11$d0cefe60$b8cf0a3e@hiroshi> From: "Maurizio Buttari" To: Subject: Yamaha Su700 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:22:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007C_01BFDE22.4770EAA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01BFDE22.4770EAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, I've got the same problem with the zip drive, and it could be dued to = SCSI 1-SCSI 2 transmission (Su700 is SCSI 2 and the zip is SCSI 1). But the really bad feature I found on this unit is the need to save or = load all the songs (the whole memory) and not a song at a time. It's a = nightmare for playing live. I would like to have suggestions... Maurizio ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01BFDE22.4770EAA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I've got the same problem with = the zip=20 drive, and it could be dued to SCSI
1-SCSI 2 transmission (Su700 is = SCSI 2=20 and the zip is SCSI 1).
But the really bad feature I found on this = unit is=20 the need to save or load
all the songs (the whole memory)  and = not a=20 song at a time. It's a nightmare
for playing live.
I would like to = have=20 suggestions...

Maurizio


------=_NextPart_000_007C_01BFDE22.4770EAA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 16:13:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29346; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:10:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:10:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000624200853.29707.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: re-mixing/sampling Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:08:53 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Most of the time you can't, although I hear that some kareoke machines can remove the vocal tracks from CD's, I don't think you could take a CD or record and get just one instrument out of it. The secret is to find a spot on the CD or record when the instrument you want to sample is playing solo. It is conceiveable that, with the right computer software, you could get the computer to identify all the frequencies of "a bass line" and subtract it note for note from a recording. I haven't heard of or seen software that does that, but I imagine that if it exists, that it would be pretty expensive and complex to use. Matt >From: DanKoontz@webtv.net (Dan Koontz) >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-delight@annihilist.com >Subject: re-mixing/sampling >Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:14:44 -0700 (PDT) > >While we're on the subject of DJ culture/sampling/remixing, I have a >gear question. I'm pretty new to sampling, and I'd like to know if it's >possible to completely cut out certain instruments out of a mix when >sampling off of a record. Would I need a good mixer, or filters, eq, or >somethig else? I tried the Electrix EQ- killer, and it didn't do the >job. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 17:10:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29837; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:09:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:09:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <395550C4.2A67710B@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:22:32 -0700 From: SAW Reply-To: switters@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Boston Scene References: <20000624200853.29707.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, Are there any Boston area loopers involved with experimental/drum n' bass scene currently on the list? I've been abusing guitars in various context for years now (in jamband type settings, jazz/funk, electronic avante-garde, and performance art) and I'm looking to tap into some new energy from different genres. If anyone is interested in collaborations let me know and I'll send over a CD-R that might or might not represent my capabilities. Best, Sean From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 17:32:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30025; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:31:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:31:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000624173514.007b67b0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:35:14 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: re-mixing/sampling In-Reply-To: <20000624200853.29707.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com One thing that sort of works would be to send the signal through two graphic equalizers. The first EQ would attempt to remove the unwanted parts, and the second one would try to smooth out the remaining sound. The reason I say it "sort of" works is because the signal you'll end up with most likely won't sound very much like the parts you liked on the record, but in many cases you can process it into something decent-sounding. Different, but decent-sounding. Creative use of compression and gating can also help pull a buried part more to the front. But unless you have access to the original multitrack masters (assuming the instruments had some separation to begin with), you're not going to have much luck removing certain instruments from a mix, particularly those with a "wide" signal (i.e. encompassing a large frequency range) like most percussion, guitar and synth parts. It would depend entirely on the way the instruments are distributed along the frequency spectrum on the particular record you're re-mixing; some producers strive for the clarity you get by keeping everyone in their own range as much as possible (remember when Fripp told Bruford not to use any cymbals?), while others like a "wall of sound" approach. I've found that the technique I've described above can work quite well when pulling a voice sample off of a videotape (what's left still sounds like speech, and you can flange it or something), but when applied to an instrumental passage it WILL change the tone of the part you're trying to isolate. Like Matt said, look for a part where the unwanted instrument is taking a breather, then loop a bar of the featured instrument if possible. Does anyone remember the Thompson Vocal Eliminator (TVE) that used to be advertised in the back of magazines? It claimed to be able to "remove the vocal track from any recording", so you could sing along. They showed a dude with a '70's moustache cutting a demo without having to pay any backing musicians. Those ads always cracked me up... Tim At 01:08 PM 6/24/00 PDT, you wrote: >>...I'd like to know if it's >>possible to completely cut out certain instruments out of a mix when >>sampling off of a record. Would I need a good mixer, or filters, eq, or >>somethig else? I tried the Electrix EQ- killer, and it didn't do the >>job. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 17:47:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30202; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:46:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:46:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000624164511.00816bf0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:45:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Loopers In Dallas/FTW Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Just curious if there are any loopers in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area who peruse this list? Thanks, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 18:09:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30522; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:08:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:08:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: RE: Loopers In Dallas/FTW Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:08:25 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20000624164511.00816bf0@mail.airmail.net> Resent-Message-ID: <0tNHp.A.ZcH.yETV5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Just curious if there are any loopers in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area who > peruse this list? I peruse...and live in DFW. I play with Mark Cook who also loops (very well, I might add). He uses a Boomerang and a EDP. I have an EDP that we sync together. Check out www.99namesofgod.com for sound clips. -Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 19:26:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30747; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:25:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:25:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000624232424.59277.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.144.5.164] From: "George Washington" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Loopers In Dallas/FTW Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:24:24 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, My name is Jeremiah Runnels and I live in houston. I use ths Sherman Quad Modular filter, Lexi Vortex and an EDp in case you Dfw Guya wanted to know. Thanks, Jeremiah ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 20:12:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30970; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 20:10:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 20:10:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 20:09:53 EDT Subject: Re: re-mixing/sampling To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/24/00 8:31:21 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, tcn62@ici.net writes: << Does anyone remember the Thompson Vocal Eliminator (TVE) that used to be advertised in the back of magazines? >> tim.......after i got my x-ray glasses that way, i never needed anything else.......michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 21:28:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31235; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:27:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:27:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501bfde56$d67e0500$7c6202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> Reply-To: "Gregor Zavcer" From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: Yamaha Su700 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 03:38:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01BFDE56.D47ED9A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BFDE56.D47ED9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi, i think i have the id's set to 5 and 6. just like it says in the manual. = the thing that you have to save the whole volume surely sux. i have 68megs of ram = in=20 my yamaha. the volume i use most of the time is about 50 megs big and it takes almost 20 mins to save!!!! 5-10 to load it. what also bugs me is = that you have to stop a song in order to change to another one, which kind of = kills 1 hour mixes if you don't have other devices. the lag with the fx change = could also be absent, but i maneged to live with it somehow. what i wonder is, = why=20 the hell did they build in a floppy drive instead of a zip in the first = place? greetz, gregor =20 =20 Yes, I've got the same problem with the zip drive, and it could be dued = to SCSI 1-SCSI 2 transmission (Su700 is SCSI 2 and the zip is SCSI 1). But the really bad feature I found on this unit is the need to save = or load all the songs (the whole memory) and not a song at a time. It's a = nightmare for playing live. I would like to have suggestions... =20 Maurizio =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BFDE56.D47ED9A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi,
 
i think i have the id's set to 5 and 6. just like it = says in=20 the manual. the thing
that you have to save the whole volume surely sux. i = have=20 68megs of ram in
my yamaha. the volume i use most of the time is = about 50 megs=20 big and it
takes almost 20 mins to save!!!! 5-10 to load it. = what also=20 bugs me is that
you have to stop a song in order to change to = another one,=20 which kind of kills
1 hour mixes if you don't have other devices. the = lag with the=20 fx change could
also be absent, but i maneged to live with it = somehow. what i=20 wonder is, why
the hell did they build in a floppy drive instead of = a zip in=20 the first place?
 
greetz,
 
gregor

 
Yes,
I've got the same problem = with the zip=20 drive, and it could be dued to SCSI
1-SCSI 2 transmission (Su700 = is SCSI=20 2 and the zip is SCSI 1).
But the really bad feature I found on = this unit=20 is the need to save or load
all the songs (the whole = memory)  and=20 not a song at a time. It's a nightmare
for playing live.
I = would like=20 to have suggestions...

Maurizio
 

 
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BFDE56.D47ED9A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 21:49:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31424; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:48:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:48:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000624215205.007c3400@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:52:05 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Remixing/sampling In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000622101940.007b78e0@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <3g3lID.A.cqH.-SWV5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Omigosh. They're still at it, and now it's "Better Than Karaoke"... Ladies and gentlemen, the Thompson Vocal Eliminator VE-3+: Disclaimer: this link supplied for entertainment value only. Your mileage may vary. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jun 24 22:34:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31613; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:32:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:32:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:37:37 -0700 Subject: Re: new looper from Italy From: "Kevin" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000625023156.HDCD10161.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.6.222.153]> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com HI Italoop: I am an American Looper. Where in Italy do you live? I come there every fall. Kevin ---------- >From: "italo de angelis" >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: new looper from Italy >Date: Thu, Jun 22, 2000, 8:29 AM > > Hello everybody, I'm Italoop, from Italy, a new entry in this list, wishing > to know who's using Eventide 4000s AND Orville for looping and/or > processing. I'm using an Orville myself...let's start this discussion on the > most incredible and powerful unit EVER...waiting for replies...italoop > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 25 02:29:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31920; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 02:28:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 02:28:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:35:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Pafford X-Sender: todd@galen.local.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: re-mixing/sampling In-Reply-To: <20000624200853.29707.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This got me to thinking of a little gizmo I've seen for folks who frequently fly and get bomarded with all the noise that goes along with it. The gizmo is a set of headphones connected to a small walkman-like device that detects all that ambient noise and retransmits it 180 degrees out of phase through the headphones, thus cancelling the noise. Now, I don't know how well these work, but I imagine a relatively simple signal processor could do the same and could be limited to a range of frequencies. Unfortunately, this would effectively cut out whole frequency ranges in a song instead of just a single instrument. Would it be possible, I wonder, to hook in waveform analysis too, to isolate not only the frequency, but the sound of an instrument and feed it back out of phase? Probably to difficult, expensive, etc., but it's something to think about. --- "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake Todd Pafford galen@erols.com On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, matt davignon wrote: > Most of the time you can't, although I hear that some kareoke machines can > remove the vocal tracks from CD's, I don't think you could take a CD or > record and get just one instrument out of it. > > The secret is to find a spot on the CD or record when the instrument you > want to sample is playing solo. > > It is conceiveable that, with the right computer software, you could get the > computer to identify all the frequencies of "a bass line" and subtract it > note for note from a recording. I haven't heard of or seen software that > does that, but I imagine that if it exists, that it would be pretty > expensive and complex to use. > > Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 25 05:18:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA32535; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 05:17:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 05:17:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000625091633.24978.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: re-mixing/sampling Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 02:16:33 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think that it's possible. I'm impressed by the fact that these aircraft headphones are the instantaneous equivalent of what noise reduction software does. It detects the frequencies and deletes them by "phasing them out". The problem with doing this to an instrument, or for the sake of the argument, several instruments (leaving one or a few to be sampled), is that an instrumental performance in a song contains a lot of variations in intensity, frequency (notes) and all sorts of other elements. I've heard of software (and some hardware) that can take out instruments, but I'm skeptical for this reason. Aircraft noise, while wavically complex, doesn't vary anywhere near as much as individual instrumental elements of a song. Some pop artists appear to have been able to sample a single instrument in a song (in which the instrument originally never plays by itself). My theory has always been that they sampled from the multitrack tape of the original artist somehow. Matt >From: Todd Pafford >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: re-mixing/sampling >Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:35:27 -0400 (EDT) > >This got me to thinking of a little gizmo I've seen >for folks who frequently fly and get bomarded with >all the noise that goes along with it. The gizmo is >a set of headphones connected to a small walkman-like >device that detects all that ambient noise and >retransmits it 180 degrees out of phase through the >headphones, thus cancelling the noise. > >Now, I don't know how well these work, but I imagine a >relatively simple signal processor could do the same >and could be limited to a range of frequencies. >Unfortunately, this would effectively cut out whole >frequency ranges in a song instead of just a single >instrument. > >Would it be possible, I wonder, to hook in waveform >analysis too, to isolate not only the frequency, but >the sound of an instrument and feed it back out of >phase? > >Probably to difficult, expensive, etc., but it's >something to think about. > >--- >"If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear > to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake > >Todd Pafford galen@erols.com > > >On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, matt davignon wrote: > > > Most of the time you can't, although I hear that some kareoke machines >can > > remove the vocal tracks from CD's, I don't think you could take a CD or > > record and get just one instrument out of it. > > > > The secret is to find a spot on the CD or record when the instrument you > > want to sample is playing solo. > > > > It is conceiveable that, with the right computer software, you could get >the > > computer to identify all the frequencies of "a bass line" and subtract >it > > note for note from a recording. I haven't heard of or seen software that > > does that, but I imagine that if it exists, that it would be pretty > > expensive and complex to use. > > > > Matt > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 25 05:40:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA32715; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 05:39:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 05:39:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: re-mixing/sampling Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 02:29:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20000625091633.24978.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My theory is that such lazy bums should (a) play the instrument themselves, or (b) get somebody to play the darn thing. This is the same argument from the time synthesisers first came out. The threat was that "real" musicians would not be needed anymore because the synths would replace them. Well, the reality was that the synthesiser became an instrument of its own, developed its own identity in its own right, and became another part of the huge collection of instruments at our disposal. I think you guys ought to stop thinking of "sampling" an instrument, and concentrate on producing new and fresh sounds out of distorting and otherwise destroying "other" sounds, be them from a truck driving by, or a Star Trek show, or an old LP, or somebody playing an instrument. Once a sound is metamorphosed by software sound processing or changed any other way, it pretty much doesn't make a difference what the sound was at the start. All this talk about deconstructing a mix that somebody spent many hours and sweat on is a little bit disconcerting and desperate-sounding to me. Make your own damn mix. My US$0.02. | -----Original Message----- | From: matt davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@hotmail.com] | Sent: Sunday 25 June 2000 2:17 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: Re: re-mixing/sampling | | | I think that it's possible. I'm impressed by the fact that | these aircraft | headphones are the instantaneous equivalent of what noise | reduction software | does. It detects the frequencies and deletes them by "phasing them out". | | The problem with doing this to an instrument, or for the sake of the | argument, several instruments (leaving one or a few to be | sampled), is that | an instrumental performance in a song contains a lot of variations in | intensity, frequency (notes) and all sorts of other elements. | I've heard of | software (and some hardware) that can take out instruments, but I'm | skeptical for this reason. Aircraft noise, while wavically | complex, doesn't | vary anywhere near as much as individual instrumental elements | of a song. | | Some pop artists appear to have been able to sample a single | instrument in a | song (in which the instrument originally never plays by | itself). My theory | has always been that they sampled from the multitrack tape of | the original | artist somehow. | | Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 25 12:39:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00801; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:37:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:37:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:35:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Pafford X-Sender: todd@galen.local.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: re-mixing/sampling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <32qz5D.A.4L.SUjV5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, Javier Miranda V. wrote: > My theory is that such lazy bums should (a) play the instrument themselves, > or (b) get somebody to play the darn thing.... > > All this talk about deconstructing a mix that somebody spent many hours and > sweat on is a little bit disconcerting and desperate-sounding to me. > > Make your own damn mix. Oh, I agree completely. However, as a computer geek I find the problem fascinating. If such a device (be it software or hardware) could be made to do this there would be miriad uses for it besides deconstructing a mix. Pulling weak signals or voices out of radio transmissions or isolating a single instrument for learning purposes are two possibilities off the top of my head. I'm all for playing the music yourself, but from a scientific perspective it'd be great to figure out how to do this. --- "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake Todd Pafford galen@erols.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 25 13:11:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01018; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 13:10:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 13:10:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:16:38 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Loopers In Dallas/FTW To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <025501bfdec9$1f9d0480$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <3.0.3.32.20000624164511.00816bf0@mail.airmail.net> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i don't really qualify as a 'looper' but i live in dfw. i have been playing with delay effects (some looping) for years, though. i have a friend in austin that uses an edp and have played around some with it. i am probably going to pick one up soon. i am very new to this list. i am a multi-instrumentalist with guitar as my main instrument. would love to get together with any 'loopers' in the area. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Clark" To: Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 4:45 PM Subject: Loopers In Dallas/FTW > Just curious if there are any loopers in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area who > peruse this list? > > Thanks, > > Michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 25 13:23:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01192; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 13:22:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 13:22:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: re-mixing/sampling Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 10:08:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The two possibilities you mention are possible, IMHO, with thorough use of EQ. Go parametric. Go multi-band. I know, someday it will be possible for a computer to isolate all the instances where the bass part, for example's sake, is covered up by brass or voice, and "take" those layers out, much as you in Photoshop isolate an element by masking. Either way, it sounds like spending $10 million to drive to the corner. Or renting an 18-wheeler to transport your groceries from the supermarket to your house. Or [fill in the blank] to [fill in the blank]. You know what I'm talking about. IMHO programming effort should be focused on far more difficult things than that. | -----Original Message----- | From: Todd Pafford [mailto:galen@erols.com] | Sent: Sunday 25 June 2000 9:36 AM | To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com | Subject: RE: re-mixing/sampling | | | Oh, I agree completely. However, as a computer geek I find the problem | fascinating. If such a device (be it software or hardware) | could be made | to do this there would be miriad uses for it besides | deconstructing a mix. | Pulling weak signals or voices out of radio transmissions or isolating a | single instrument for learning purposes are two possibilities | off the top | of my head. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 25 15:02:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01514; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:00:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:00:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000001bfded7$73f90de0$cfcf0a3e@hiroshi> From: "Maurizio Buttari" To: "Loopers delight" Subject: Re:Yamaha Su700 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:44:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01BFDEA3.11BB8240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BFDEA3.11BB8240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Try to format the zip disc or use a new one before saving changes to = your volume. It will take less time to save. It's like defragmenting the = disc. My unit takes about 10 minutes to save using this trick. Do you know anything about Roland SP808? Have you ever used it? I'm = thinking to change if it works better. Let me know Maurizio ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BFDEA3.11BB8240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Try to format the zip disc or use a new = one before=20 saving changes to your volume. It will take less time to save. It's like = defragmenting the disc. My unit takes about 10 minutes to save using = this=20 trick.
Do you know anything about Roland = SP808? Have=20 you ever used it? I'm thinking to change if it works = better.
Let me know
Maurizio
------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BFDEA3.11BB8240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 25 15:40:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01763; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:39:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:39:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000625193808.13709.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:38:08 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: looking for venues from N.O. to Austin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Loopers, Psycadelic-Trance-Groove (with a great many loops involved)duo Permagrin (from New Orleans), is comming to Austin on August 19 for a private party. We are looking for a spot to do a public show in Austin. Any ideas? Also, any ideas for San Antonio or other nearby towns? Thanks, Dan Sumner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 25 16:17:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02012; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 16:16:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 16:16:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:21:52 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: looking for venues from N.O. to Austin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <028b01bfdee2$ffbced50$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <20000625193808.13709.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com check out the mercury. always a good show there. definitely the place for what you describe. sorry, i don't have contact info on hand (i live in the dallas area) ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan sumner" To: Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 2:38 PM Subject: looking for venues from N.O. to Austin > Loopers, > > Psycadelic-Trance-Groove (with a great many loops > involved)duo Permagrin (from New Orleans), is comming > to Austin on August 19 for a private party. We are > looking for a spot to do a public show in Austin. Any > ideas? > > Also, any ideas for San Antonio or other nearby towns? > > Thanks, > Dan Sumner > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 25 16:36:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02216; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 16:34:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 16:34:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000624232424.59277.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 16:39:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Patrick Smith Subject: RE: Loopers In Dallas/FTW (Sherman Quad) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On ^/24/00> Jeremiah wrote: Hello, >My name is Jeremiah Runnels and I live in houston. I use ths Sherman Quad >Modular filter, Lexi Vortex and an EDp in case you Dfw Guya wanted to know. >Thanks, >Jeremiah WOW! Jermiah How is the Shreman Quad? I have used the Sherman Filterbank for years now and have wondered what it woyld be like to have four of these beasts in one unit. Care to give us a brief users review? Patrick From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 25 17:33:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02458; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 17:31:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 17:31:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 17:29:50 EDT Subject: Re: Loopers In Dallas/FTW (Sherman Quad) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes, please do give a review. Please comment if you can on the sound of a 48, 72 and 96 dB cutoff slope. I would also like to know if the noise has been summed by 4 as well. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jun 25 18:57:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02718; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:56:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:56:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004001bfdef7$64faa720$796202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: Re:Yamaha Su700 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:36:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01BFDF06.99F60BE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BFDF06.99F60BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i tried the sp808. well, it's a nice machine. the main reason why i = didn't buy it was, because the price tag at that moment was to high for me. the sp808 has some advantages and = disadvantages. the main advantage imo is that it can be used as a sort of portable hard disk recorder, on the = other side is the su700 better for live playing. you have to try it for yourself. what i personally hate is that at the = end the things that bother you the most, are the things you discover when you use a machine for a month.=20 i don't understand you exactly. if i format the disk it takes about 10 = min to format it. or does the su700 have "quick format" function? gregor -----Izvorno sporo=E8ilo----- Od: Maurizio Buttari Za: Loopers delight Datum: 25. junij 2000 21:00 Zadeva: Re:Yamaha Su700 =20 =20 Try to format the zip disc or use a new one before saving changes to = your volume. It will take less time to save. It's like defragmenting the = disc. My unit takes about 10 minutes to save using this trick. Do you know anything about Roland SP808? Have you ever used it? I'm = thinking to change if it works better. Let me know Maurizio ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BFDF06.99F60BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i tried the sp808. well, it's a nice = machine.=20 the main reason why i didn't buy it was, because the price tag = at
that moment = was to high for=20 me. the sp808 has some advantages and disadvantages. the main advantage=20 imo
is that it can be used as a sort of portable hard = disk=20 recorder, on the other side is the su700 better for live = playing.
you have to = try it for=20 yourself. what i personally hate is that at the end the things that = bother you=20 the most, are the
things you = discover when you=20 use a machine for a month.
 
i don't understand you exactly. if i format the disk = it takes=20 about 10 min to format it. or does the su700 have = "quick
format" function?
 
gregor
 
-----Izvorno=20 sporoèilo-----
Od: Maurizio Buttari <m.hiroshi@tiscalinet.it>Za:=20 Loopers delight <Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com>
Datum:=20 25. junij 2000 21:00
Zadeva: Re:Yamaha=20 Su700

Try to format the zip disc or use a = new one=20 before saving changes to your volume. It will take less time to = save. It's=20 like defragmenting the disc. My unit takes about 10 minutes to save = using=20 this trick.
Do you know anything about Roland = SP808? Have=20 you ever used it? I'm thinking to change if it works=20 better.
Let me know
Maurizio
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BFDF06.99F60BE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 26 02:04:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03491; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 02:02:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 02:02:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 01:00:01 -0500 From: "Ben Porter" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: azrix@n2music.com X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: OT: Steinberger Guitars X-Sender-Ip: 216.76.237.31 Organization: N2Mail (http://www.n2mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry about the OT. I was just looking at the Ed Roman Guitars site, checking to see if there was an update on Steinberger. Check out what it says: "The factory has still not reopened, It now appears that they are never going to reopen. I believe that at the rate they are going they won't ship any product until 2002......Steinberger Patents are all expiring. By Sept 2000 I will be making bridges that retrofit." Anyone know if this is true? If it is, it is "music to my ears", so to speak. I might actually be able to get that left handed Klein w/ lefty Trans-Trem that I've been dreaming about, eventually. (I'm, of course, left handed and I only know about one lefty Trans-Trem: Ned Steinberger created the lefty version at the request of the Cars's Elliot Easton. I've never heard about or seen another, ever.) Sorry again for the OT, but I thought someone on here might know some more about this and seeing how many of you on here use Steiny's, it seems like a good place to ask. Ben Porter. What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. http://www.n2mail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 26 03:48:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03867; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 03:46:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 03:46:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:48:59 -0700 Subject: sp808, VP9000, and system design From: Benjamin Furstenberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004001bfdef7$64faa720$796202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3044825340_295262_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3044825340_295262_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable on the sp-808: I didn't get to know it, but was turned away by the high price when considering it's only 4 part multitimbral. At my admittedly superficial glance, it looked decent for live improv, with its sliders and d-beam, but maybe that's just what THEY want me to think. How bout the VP9000, Roland's new phrase sampler/time-pitch-groove-formant shifter? Super-pricey, but perhaps kind of unique and novel. Aren't we all sick of the current mainstream designs with the heavy emphasis on specialized application for timely, trendy style= s of music. I like dance music and so on a LOT, but love open-endedness and cultural innovation much more. It was these kinds of flexible designs that gave rise to the interesting shift towards electronic-experimental-cerebral-yet-physical music culture. But the companies seem to want to let marketing decide on design, like so much of our culture, and they really are selling out the future in favor of the present. I'm excited about my Nord Modular on its way, for these reasons. People also seem to criticize the all-purposeness of things like the Triton or JV-2080, and so forth, but the expense of the VP-9000 makes me wish it were more generally useful. From: "Gregor Zavcer" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:36:43 +0200 To: Subject: Re: Re:Yamaha Su700 Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:57:41 -0400 i tried the sp808. well, it's a nice machine. the main reason why i didn't buy it was, because the price tag at that moment was to high for me. the sp808 has some advantages and disadvantages. the main advantage imo is that it can be used as a sort of portable hard disk recorder, on the other side is the su700 better for live playing. you have to try it for yourself. what i personally hate is that at the end the things that bother you the most, are the things you discover when you use a machine for a month. =20 i don't understand you exactly. if i format the disk it takes about 10 min to format it. or does the su700 have "quick format" function? =20 gregor =20 -----Izvorno sporo=E8ilo----- Od: Maurizio Buttari Za: Loopers delight Datum: 25. junij 2000 21:00 Zadeva: Re:Yamaha Su700 Try to format the zip disc or use a new one before saving changes to your volume. It will take less time to save. It's like defragmenting the disc. M= y unit takes about 10 minutes to save using this trick. Do you know anything about Roland SP808? Have you ever used it? I'm thinkin= g to change if it works better. Let me know Maurizio --MS_Mac_OE_3044825340_295262_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable sp808, VP9000, and system design on the sp-808: I didn't get to know it, but was turned away by the high pri= ce when considering it's only 4 part multitimbral.  At my admittedly su= perficial glance, it looked decent for live improv, with its sliders and d-b= eam, but maybe that's just what THEY want me to think.
   How bout the VP9000, Roland's new phrase sampler/time-pi= tch-groove-formant shifter?  Super-pricey, but perhaps kind of unique a= nd novel.  Aren't we all sick of the current mainstream designs with th= e heavy emphasis on specialized application for timely, trendy styles of mus= ic.  I like dance music and so on a LOT, but love open-endedness and cu= ltural innovation much more.  It was these kinds of flexible designs th= at gave rise to the interesting shift towards electronic-experimental-cerebr= al-yet-physical music culture.  But the companies seem to want to let m= arketing decide on design, like so much of our culture, and they really are = selling out the future in favor of the present.  I'm excited about my N= ord Modular on its way, for these reasons.
   People also seem to criticize the all-purposeness of thi= ngs like the Triton or JV-2080, and so forth, but the expense of the VP-9000= makes me wish it were more generally useful.

From: "Gregor Zavcer" <gregor.zavcer@kiss.uni-lj.si>=
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:36:43 +0200
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Re:Yamaha Su700
Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:57:41 -0400


i tried the sp808. well, it's a nice machine. th= e main reason why i didn't buy it was, because the price tag at
that moment was to high for me. the sp808 has some advantages and disadvant= ages. the main advantage imo
is that it can be used as a sort of portable hard disk recorder, on the oth= er side is the su700 better for live playing.
you have to try it for yourself. what i personally hate is that at the end = the things that bother you the most, are the
things you discover when you use a machine for a month.

i don't understand you exactly. if i format the disk it take= s about 10 min to format it. or does the su700 have "quick
format" function?
gregor
-----Izvorno sporo=E8ilo----= -
Od: Maurizio Buttari <m.hiroshi@tiscalinet.it>
Za: Loopers delight <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Datum: 25. junij 2000 21:00
Zadeva: Re:Yamaha Su700

Try to format = the zip disc or use a new one before saving changes to your volume. It will = take less time to save. It's like defragmenting the disc. My unit takes abou= t 10 minutes to save using this trick.
Do you know anything about Roland SP808? Have you ever used it? I'm thinkin= g to change if it works better.
Let me know
Maurizio


--MS_Mac_OE_3044825340_295262_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 26 07:28:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA04394; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:27:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:27:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004701bfdf60$26e41700$976202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: sp808, VP9000, and system design Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 13:15:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01BFDF70.97562680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BFDF70.97562680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable to be honest, i don't know a lot about the vp9k. sounds interesting. i = agree with you that manufactures=20 should stop aiming at specific markets, but on the other hand that is = the thing which justifies their=20 r&d, etc.. surely the "groove boxes" suck, because they give the sounds = which are trendy now, but in 2=20 years nobody will like them. the person who is behind the machines and = uses them is important. some ppl use a sampler to make good rip-offs, some ppl to brake musical = limits. a good example why the person is important is the classic tb303. when roland launched = it, it was meant for one man bands. it should emulate or stand in the place of a bass player = (tb - transistor bass). i never heard a pop band which uses the 303 as a bass emulator.=20 gregor =20 on the sp-808: I didn't get to know it, but was turned away by the = high price when considering it's only 4 part multitimbral. At my = admittedly superficial glance, it looked decent for live improv, with = its sliders and d-beam, but maybe that's just what THEY want me to = think. How bout the VP9000, Roland's new phrase = sampler/time-pitch-groove-formant shifter? Super-pricey, but perhaps = kind of unique and novel. Aren't we all sick of the current mainstream = designs with the heavy emphasis on specialized application for timely, = trendy styles of music. I like dance music and so on a LOT, but love = open-endedness and cultural innovation much more. It was these kinds of = flexible designs that gave rise to the interesting shift towards = electronic-experimental-cerebral-yet-physical music culture. But the = companies seem to want to let marketing decide on design, like so much = of our culture, and they really are selling out the future in favor of = the present. I'm excited about my Nord Modular on its way, for these = reasons. People also seem to criticize the all-purposeness of things like = the Triton or JV-2080, and so forth, but the expense of the VP-9000 = makes me wish it were more generally useful. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BFDF70.97562680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sp808, VP9000, and system = design
 
to be honest, i don't know a lot = about the vp9k.=20 sounds interesting. i agree with you that manufactures
should stop aiming at specific = markets, but on=20 the other hand that is the thing which justifies their
r&d, etc.. = surely the=20 "groove boxes" suck, because they give the sounds which are = trendy=20 now, but in 2
years nobody will like them. the person who is = behind the=20 machines and uses them is important.
some ppl use a sampler to make good rip-offs, some = ppl to=20 brake musical limits. a good example
why the person is important is the classic tb303. = when roland=20 launched it, it was meant for
one man bands. it should emulate or stand in the = place of a=20 bass player (tb - transistor bass).
i never heard a pop band which uses the 303 as a = bass=20 emulator.
 
gregor
 
 
on the sp-808: I = didn't get=20 to know it, but was turned away by the high price when considering = it's only=20 4 part multitimbral.  At my admittedly superficial glance, it = looked=20 decent for live improv, with its sliders and d-beam, but maybe = that's just=20 what THEY want me to think.
   How bout the VP9000, = Roland's=20 new phrase sampler/time-pitch-groove-formant shifter?  = Super-pricey,=20 but perhaps kind of unique and novel.  Aren't we all sick of = the=20 current mainstream designs with the heavy emphasis on specialized=20 application for timely, trendy styles of music.  I like dance = music and=20 so on a LOT, but love open-endedness and cultural innovation much=20 more.  It was these kinds of flexible designs that gave rise to = the=20 interesting shift towards = electronic-experimental-cerebral-yet-physical=20 music culture.  But the companies seem to want to let marketing = decide=20 on design, like so much of our culture, and they really are selling = out the=20 future in favor of the present.  I'm excited about my Nord = Modular on=20 its way, for these reasons.
   People also seem to = criticize=20 the all-purposeness of things like the Triton or JV-2080, and so = forth, but=20 the expense of the VP-9000 makes me wish it were more generally = useful.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BFDF70.97562680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 26 07:32:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA04601; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:31:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:31:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201bfdf59$7d092d20$dad89b3e@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: "Loopers delight" References: <002701bfdae8$796e41c0$dbd99b3e@oemcomputer> <3950FDF1.3534B447@voodoolab.com> <1354JN-0YQPcOC@fwd05.sul.t-online.de> <3953B1B4.6B730A77@voodoolab.com> Subject: Re: Ground control may get upgraded if we insist Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:12:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello outhere, i just received this e-mail from Digital music corp. The ground control is a great foot controller but quite limited.It might just get upgraded with new features if we insist.I know people keep looking for a good FC like the PMC 10 which unfortunately has been discontinued with a big led screen, ability to send different comands to different midi channels, on off msgs. toggle functions, etc. if you are interested mail contact Skip at skip@voodoolab.com Just a tip L.A. > > The main thing that is new with version 2.4 is the Bank 4 mode, which gives you > direct access to the GCX switcher with the top row of buttons. > > Unfortunately there is no way to send note on/off mssgs with the Ground Control. It > is something that will be addressed in future revisions of the product. > > Good Luck! > > Skip > > "> > BTW what is new on version 2.4? > > > > > > > If you woul like to try calling us, the number is 707 782 0600. We are here > > > from 9:30 am to 5:00 pm Pacific time (9 hours behind you). We go to lunch > > > from > > > 1:00 pm to 2:00 pm usually. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Skip Urmson > > > Sales Manager > > > Digital Music Corp. > > > http://www.voodoolab.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 26 07:32:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA04595; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:31:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:31:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000301bfdf59$7dba2da0$dad89b3e@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <60.443afef.2681dacb@aol.com> Subject: Re: OT: gadget Labs Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:49:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello LeeohkinoWired, Thanks for your e-mail however i have problems understanding the following abrebiations: OS OSR NIC´s RAS NT HDD have you checked out the Guillemot ISIS? I am debating which one to get Thanks! Adios amigo Luis > Hola, Luis, > > Mucho gusto! They have some pretty happening equipment, especially if > you're big into the Windows environment and like me, like to run multiple OS' > or variations of an OS. Found that NT4.0 was the best bet vs. '98, haven't > tried it out on 2000. With the Gadget Labs equipment, you do have to watch > out if you plan on going from the computer to an ADAT or series of ADAT's as > each ADAT is gonna chew up 8 of your output tracks. (The MOTU doesn't treat > the ADAT as another interface, thankfully, however, the software portion > isn't quite as happening.) > > I, also don't own one, as I went with MOTU (8 track beastie) and in some > cases I've slightly regretted the decision as I'm locked to using Windows 98, > only. Now, the one thing I've heard constantly is that they've been having > problems with the hardware aspect of their card, mostly not fitting into the > PCI slot or the distance between PCI slot and the back plate not being the > proper length (this is frequently a very minor issue involving just a small > bit of bending of the back plate of a card). > Also been hearing issues that are definitely Windows 98 related (need to > totally blow away the box if an attempt with the initial release of Windows > 98 was used, otherwise the card won't EVER install). Also the OSR releases > of an OS seemed to take care of the issues concerning system lockups with > Windows 98, too. > Service Pack 5 for whatever reason (should really only affect a system's > NIC's, and RAS, but you know...) seems to have fixed one of the issues with > NT, concerning the card disappearing from time to time and if you were really > hitting it with too much information at one go (i.e., burying the signal > levels in the maximums) then you got a pleasant bsod. Which was fixed by > rebooting and cleaning out *.tmp and *.dmp files pretty quickly and then > shutting down, and then powering up, again. > > One thing that helps out with all of these products is to keep everything > SCSI, keep multiple HDD's (one of which should be the recording media, and > the second should be editing media, outside of any drives for OS and > applications). Also keep the drives spotlessly clean (lots of defrags and > chkdsk's or scandisks) and all of the same type/manufacturer, is a majour > help. > > Anywho hope this helps out a touch, 'tis time to go to work... > > Tap on, loop extended, gliss out, > > > LeeohkinoWired. > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 26 08:22:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04944; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:19:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:19:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000626121801.38627.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [212.171.220.5] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Kevin:looper from Italy Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:18:01 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >HI Italoop: > >I am an American Looper. Where in Italy do you live? I come there every >fall. > >Kevin >Hello Kevin, I live on the east coast, middle Italy, city of Pescara...when >will you be here? bye italoop ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 26 09:14:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05198; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:12:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:12:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01bfdf6f$e593dd20$31cf0a3e@hiroshi> From: "Maurizio Buttari" To: References: <004001bfdef7$64faa720$796202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> Subject: R: Re:Yamaha Su700 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:08:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01BFDF80.5EFE5F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BFDF80.5EFE5F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gregor sorry but my English is not perfect, I'm Italian. If you save a volume on an existing one it takes more time because the = disc is fragmented and the files are written in non adiacent sectors on = the disc, like an audio file on a computer HD. If you format the disc ( = and quick format option is present on the SU700) before saving, you can = create a new volume to save your work in less time. Obviously if you = need to save the volume while playing live there is no possibility to = speed up your work Maurizio ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gregor Zavcer=20 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=20 Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 12:36 AM Subject: Re: Re:Yamaha Su700 i tried the sp808. well, it's a nice machine. the main reason why i = didn't buy it was, because the price tag at that moment was to high for me. the sp808 has some advantages and = disadvantages. the main advantage imo is that it can be used as a sort of portable hard disk recorder, on = the other side is the su700 better for live playing. you have to try it for yourself. what i personally hate is that at the = end the things that bother you the most, are the things you discover when you use a machine for a month.=20 i don't understand you exactly. if i format the disk it takes about 10 = min to format it. or does the su700 have "quick format" function? =20 gregor -----Izvorno sporo=E8ilo----- Od: Maurizio Buttari Za: Loopers delight Datum: 25. junij 2000 21:00 Zadeva: Re:Yamaha Su700 Try to format the zip disc or use a new one before saving changes to = your volume. It will take less time to save. It's like defragmenting the = disc. My unit takes about 10 minutes to save using this trick. Do you know anything about Roland SP808? Have you ever used it? I'm = thinking to change if it works better. Let me know Maurizio ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BFDF80.5EFE5F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Gregor
sorry but my English is not perfect, = I'm=20 Italian.
If you save a volume on an existing one = it takes=20 more time because the disc is fragmented and the files are written in = non=20 adiacent sectors on the disc, like an audio file on a computer HD. If = you format=20 the disc ( and quick format option is present on the SU700) before = saving, you=20 can create a new volume to save your work in less time. Obviously if you = need  to save the volume while playing live there is no possibility = to=20 speed up your work
 
Maurizio
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gregor Zavcer
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com=
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 = 12:36=20 AM
Subject: Re: Re:Yamaha = Su700

i tried the sp808. well, it's a = nice machine.=20 the main reason why i didn't buy it was, because the price tag = at
that moment = was to high=20 for me. the sp808 has some advantages and disadvantages. the main = advantage=20 imo
is that it can be used as a sort of portable hard = disk=20 recorder, on the other side is the su700 better for live = playing.
you have to = try it for=20 yourself. what i personally hate is that at the end the things that = bother you=20 the most, are the
things you = discover when=20 you use a machine for a month.
 
i don't understand you exactly. if i format the = disk it=20 takes about 10 min to format it. or does the su700 have = "quick
format" function?
 
gregor
 
-----Izvorno = sporo=E8ilo-----
Od:=20 Maurizio Buttari <m.hiroshi@tiscalinet.it>Za:=20 Loopers delight <Loopers-Delight@annihilist= .com>
Datum:=20 25. junij 2000 21:00
Zadeva: Re:Yamaha=20 Su700

Try to format the zip disc or use a = new one=20 before saving changes to your volume. It will take less time to = save. It's=20 like defragmenting the disc. My unit takes about 10 minutes to save = using=20 this trick.
Do you know anything about Roland = SP808? Have=20 you ever used it? I'm thinking to change if it works=20 better.
Let me know
Maurizio
------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BFDF80.5EFE5F40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 26 10:56:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05718; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:54:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:54:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:58:44 -0700 Subject: Re: Kevin:looper from Italy From: "Kevin" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000626145258.GAFI10161.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.6.222.153]> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Italoop: I will be coming to Italy at the end of November with my family. I'm a 46 year old writer here in the states and my wife is an actress. Of course I also play music! I have never been to Pescara, and have only really seen Venice on the east coast of your wonderful country. Tell me more about your musical life there. best, Kevin ---------- >From: "italo de angelis" >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Kevin:looper from Italy >Date: Mon, Jun 26, 2000, 7:18 AM > >>HI Italoop: >> >>I am an American Looper. Where in Italy do you live? I come there every >>fall. >> >>Kevin >>Hello Kevin, I live on the east coast, middle Italy, city of Pescara...when >>will you be here? bye italoop > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 26 10:57:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05824; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:56:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:56:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <070101bfdf7e$50a4bc70$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: MClark:OrvilleRules Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:53:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >...Vsig makes life easier...who else does a such >extended and complete service to creative tweakers? NOBODY!!! ... If it's "open systems" you're discussing, I just gotta point to the Kyma system. See http://www.symbolicsound.com/ . I've never seen such an open system, which is the reason I bought one. It comes in two parts: Kyma (the sound design language/environment) and the Capybara hardware accelerator. Kyma runs on a Mac or Windows system that's attached to the Capybara via a proprietary interface. I've got a "Capy Lite" which is a basic unit with four DSPs and four analog/digital inputs and outputs. A fully populated Capybara-320 has 28 DSPs and eight analog/digital inputs and outputs. Although the hardware isn't available off the shelf (Symbolic Sound's shelf), the software will support 128 DSPs. The unit is programmable at many levels, from using the several hundred supplied Sounds to DSP assembly language. When you write "microsounds" in assembly language, they're integrated into the Kyma framework and completely interoperable with the supplied Sounds. Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 26 11:10:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06066; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:08:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:08:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ec01bfdf80$b918a030$b2310140@concentric.net> From: "Larry Tremblay" To: References: <20000625091633.24978.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: re-mixing/sampling Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:10:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <9yP8FB.A.QeB.5F3V5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK - I'll chime in... What's needed is a way to isolate the instrument. This is accomplished through a combination of filters and noise gates. First isolate the frequency range you want to sample using a band-pass filter. Second, boost the frequency content you're interested in so that it "pops" out of the mix using a high-pass or low-pass filter, depending on the content you're interested in. Finally, gate out the unwanted frequency content using the side-chain of a gate, triggered by the amplitude (or frequency) of the sample you want. I used this technique to reconstruct a whole master tape from a rough mix tape. I was even able to isolate a bass guitar track from a drum track. Where overlaps occur, use a notch filter and dial in the exact frequency you want to eliminate. This won't give you an absolutely pure sample but is the next best thing to having the master tapes. Hope this helps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "matt davignon" To: Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 5:16 AM Subject: Re: re-mixing/sampling > I think that it's possible. I'm impressed by the fact that these aircraft > headphones are the instantaneous equivalent of what noise reduction software > does. It detects the frequencies and deletes them by "phasing them out". > > The problem with doing this to an instrument, or for the sake of the > argument, several instruments (leaving one or a few to be sampled), is that > an instrumental performance in a song contains a lot of variations in > intensity, frequency (notes) and all sorts of other elements. I've heard of > software (and some hardware) that can take out instruments, but I'm > skeptical for this reason. Aircraft noise, while wavically complex, doesn't > vary anywhere near as much as individual instrumental elements of a song. > > Some pop artists appear to have been able to sample a single instrument in a > song (in which the instrument originally never plays by itself). My theory > has always been that they sampled from the multitrack tape of the original > artist somehow. > > Matt > > >From: Todd Pafford > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: Re: re-mixing/sampling > >Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:35:27 -0400 (EDT) > > > >This got me to thinking of a little gizmo I've seen > >for folks who frequently fly and get bomarded with > >all the noise that goes along with it. The gizmo is > >a set of headphones connected to a small walkman-like > >device that detects all that ambient noise and > >retransmits it 180 degrees out of phase through the > >headphones, thus cancelling the noise. > > > >Now, I don't know how well these work, but I imagine a > >relatively simple signal processor could do the same > >and could be limited to a range of frequencies. > >Unfortunately, this would effectively cut out whole > >frequency ranges in a song instead of just a single > >instrument. > > > >Would it be possible, I wonder, to hook in waveform > >analysis too, to isolate not only the frequency, but > >the sound of an instrument and feed it back out of > >phase? > > > >Probably to difficult, expensive, etc., but it's > >something to think about. > > > >--- > >"If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear > > to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake > > > >Todd Pafford galen@erols.com > > > > > >On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, matt davignon wrote: > > > > > Most of the time you can't, although I hear that some kareoke machines > >can > > > remove the vocal tracks from CD's, I don't think you could take a CD or > > > record and get just one instrument out of it. > > > > > > The secret is to find a spot on the CD or record when the instrument you > > > want to sample is playing solo. > > > > > > It is conceiveable that, with the right computer software, you could get > >the > > > computer to identify all the frequencies of "a bass line" and subtract > >it > > > note for note from a recording. I haven't heard of or seen software that > > > does that, but I imagine that if it exists, that it would be pretty > > > expensive and complex to use. > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 26 11:24:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06372; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:22:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:22:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004701bfdf60$26e41700$976202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:26:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: sp808, VP9000, and system design Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com .. surely the "groove boxes" suck, because they give the sounds which are trendy now, but in 2 years nobody will like them. the person who is behind the machines and uses them is important. I think this may serve to our advantage later on...as the musicians who keep up on 'trendy' equipment, and dump off the old stuff (like buying new skis each winter). Then the old stuff is cheaper for us to buy at a discount! Lexicon Jam Man's and Vortex's were being blown out of stores when nobody liked them or understood them. I paid less than $40 for a new Boss PN-2 Tremelo/Pan pedal for the same reason. Now tremelo boxes are all the rage. The list goes on...wierd. Alot of music has come up from the street level in the last thirty years as technology has rolled along, often with people grabbing at the old, cheap technology and doing something interesting with it! I think Roland's Variphrase processor has awesome possibilities, but i'm not sure if it's creative potential can be seen through the price tag (and possibly the learning curve, too?). So, i will at least have a small fantasy that they won't sell well, the price floor will drop out, and i can pick one up used in a few years for a few hundred bucks. rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 26 11:33:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06620; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:31:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:31:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:30:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Steinbergers, etc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, it does appear that Gibson really has dropped the ball regarding the Steinberger electrics. Every once in a while you'll see a clean one on ebay and it gets snapped up quickly - there's one now that looks great but I'm hestitant to get involved in a bidding war. I e-mailed the gang at Musicyo.com a while back and they had said the interest level in real Steinies (not the Spirits) indicated that they would likely carry them once they were back in production (when that will be only God and Henry J. knows). In the meantime, I spoke with John Erickson of Whoopgnash (a great fusion trio and John is has two Steinies), and he recommended I contact Moses Graphite since they made him a Baritone guitar to the tune of $3200 with Steinie style bridge and parts. Nice. If you can pay the freight that's one other option. Or, contact Lorenzo German at Klein Electric Guitars to get a Klein. They're expensive whatever way you look at it (I saw one on Ebay that was well in excess of $3000). Sigh. Someday I'm gonna get my Steinie. Oh! I hear you can loop really nicely with them. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 26 12:01:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06892; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:59:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:59:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: Steinbergers, etc. Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:52:43 -0500 Message-ID: <01bfdf8e$f2ef91c0$42ce580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ben, Todd has some great recommendations, i'd also like to add Bill DeLap who constructed guitars for Allan Holdsworth before he had his Carvin's built, utilizing hollow bodies, headless necks, Steinberger trems, et cetera . Last address I have for him is: Bill DeLap c/o The Guitar Lab, 1186 Highway 68, Monterey, CA 93940, tel. (408)375-1986. Prices from $2500 and up, he also makes baritone guitars. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 26 12:11:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07076; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:06:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:06:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:09:33 -0700 Subject: Re: sp808, VP9000, and system design From: Benjamin Furstenberg To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004701bfdf60$26e41700$976202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3044855373_91082_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: <8FqR0B.A.EuB.e93V5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3044855373_91082_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Gregor wrote: Except Stereo Totale, who I just had the great pleasure of seeing live. What you've said actually made me reconsider the possibilities in a more optimistic way, even though I think we agree. Perhaps the literal minded myopia that led to the tb303 isn't that different from the market-driven myopia that gave rise to the groove bozo boxes. The tb303 was a pretty unpopular device when it came out and for the ensuing years...until some guys from Detroit, especially one called Jones, who went by "Phuture" and produced the seminal 303 acidic squeltching tour de force "AcidTrax", bought one of the accursed, abject, unwanted, unusable devices for like $30 and figured out a way to abuse it, to use it originally, and in the process to re-invent the map of music for the next few decades. This could happen again, despite the in-built obscelesence, to the current gear. Yep, in two years nobody with like the sounds and machines of today, and they'll sell them like they're weeds, and in four years something new might be happening out of the ashes of late 90's grooviness. Perhaps, I'm just saying less concisely and subtly what you were. Anyway, I'm putting 50% of my money on circuit-bending. See: http://www.oddmusic.com/illogic/ Rather than spend $2500 on some soon-to-be-boring, overly complicated instant hi-tech trash, why not spend $250 on some casios, unwanted beeping toys, bargain synths, etc. and apply Bryan Gysin's cut-up method to their logic? A lot less alienating. --MS_Mac_OE_3044855373_91082_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: sp808, VP9000, and system design

Gregor wrote:
<r&d, etc.. surely the "groove boxes" suck, because they g= ive the sounds which are trendy now, but in 2
years nobody will like them. the person who is behind the machines and uses= them is important.
some ppl use a sampler to make good rip-offs, some ppl to brake musical lim= its. a good example
why the person is important is the classic tb303. when roland launched it, = it was meant for
one man bands. it should emulate or stand in the place of a bass player (tb= - transistor bass).
i never heard a pop band which uses the = 303 as a bass emulator.>
Except Stereo Totale, who I just had the great pleasure of seeing li= ve.
What you've said actually made me reconsider the possibilities in a more op= timistic way, even though I think we agree. Perhaps the literal minded myopi= a that led to the tb303 isn't that different from the market-driven myopia t= hat gave rise to the groove bozo boxes.  The tb303 was a pretty unpopul= ar device when it came out and for the ensuing years...until some guys from = Detroit, especially one called Jones, who went by "Phuture" and pr= oduced the seminal 303 acidic squeltching tour de force "AcidTrax"= , bought one of the accursed, abject, unwanted, unusable devices for like $3= 0 and figured out a way to abuse it, to use it originally, and in the proces= s to re-invent the map of music for the next few decades.  This could h= appen again, despite the in-built obscelesence, to the current gear.  Y= ep, in two years nobody with like the sounds and machines of today, and they= 'll sell them like they're weeds, and in four years something new might be h= appening out of the ashes of late 90's grooviness.  Perhaps, I'm just s= aying less concisely and subtly what you were.  Anyway, I'm putting 50%= of my money on circuit-bending.  See:
http://www.oddmusic.com/illogic/
Rather than spend $2500 on some soon-to-be-boring, overly complicated insta= nt hi-tech trash, why not spend $250 on some casios, unwanted beeping toys, = bargain synths, etc. and apply Bryan Gysin's cut-up method to their logic? &= nbsp;A lot less alienating.  
--MS_Mac_OE_3044855373_91082_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 26 12:20:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07262; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:16:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:16:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:22:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mark Subject: Santa Cruze Apologies! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Gang, I am so sorry (and pissed) about Sunday! I got a call at 8 PM on Saturday asking me to come in and "revise" a few web pages for a client. It had to be ready first thing Monday morning. No one else could do it, as Sunday was the Gay Pride March and I'm the design department's token hetero. (BTW Absolutly NO offence intended! I love my co workers!) Anyway, what was supposed to be a few "light revisions" ended up taking from 10 AM until 2:30 PM. I almost tried to still make it, but with a two hour drive ahead of me I realized that by the time I loaded and gassed up my car I wouldn't get there until 5. I was also in a very sour mood, to boot. So I'd love to hear what went on and if there is some recording I'd love to hear it. I've also got space on my site if you'd like to post an mp3 of the highlights. Again, I am sorry if I let anyone down, and I'm pissed that I missed this event! Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 26 12:22:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07423; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:21:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:21:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:20:03 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: Subject: Re: Santa Cruze Apologies! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA07389 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Matt... sorrry your plan we're torpedoed. You were missed and worried about a little bit. (Long drive for most of the participants...) It was a blast to meet everyone! We'll definitely get cd's pressed eventually... in the mean time maybe excerpts on Morgan's Loop Exchange? We'll have to do this again... just not sure when? Regards, -Miko >>> sine@zerocrossing.net 06/26 9:15 AM >>> Hey Gang, I am so sorry (and pissed) about Sunday! I got a call at 8 PM on Saturday asking me to come in and "revise" a few web pages for a client. It had to be ready first thing Monday morning. No one else could do it, as Sunday was the Gay Pride March and I'm the design department's token hetero. (BTW Absolutly NO offence intended! I love my co workers!) Anyway, what was supposed to be a few "light revisions" ended up taking from 10 AM until 2:30 PM. I almost tried to still make it, but with a two hour drive ahead of me I realized that by the time I loaded and gassed up my car I wouldn't get there until 5. I was also in a very sour mood, to boot. So I'd love to hear what went on and if there is some recording I'd love to hear it. I've also got space on my site if you'd like to post an mp3 of the highlights. Again, I am sorry if I let anyone down, and I'm pissed that I missed this event! Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 26 12:55:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07653; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:45:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:45:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:44:37 EDT Subject: hope this isnt the official review To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/26/00 3:21:13 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, mbiffle@svg.com writes: << Hi Matt... sorrry your plan we're torpedoed. You were missed and worried about a little bit. (Long drive for most of the participants...) It was a blast to meet everyone! We'll definitely get cd's pressed eventually... in the mean time maybe excerpts on Morgan's Loop Exchange? We'll have to do this again... just not sure when? Regards, -Miko >> i want the real scoop.......what happened?........who was the first to put a lampshade on their head?.........:)...........give me the gossip!................michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 26 15:19:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08256; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:16:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:16:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3957AB9A.1899@club-internet.fr> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:14:34 +0200 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DJRND2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi to you all, The DJRND2 is still available in USA for DJ and home loopers Thanks Emmanuel From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 26 15:28:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08482; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:27:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:27:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01ab01bfdf9c$510a8780$1101a8c0@pacbell.net> Reply-To: "Matt McCabe" From: "Matt McCabe" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Looper's Delight Radio is Live!! Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:28:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Looper's Delight Radio is live!! http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/64/loopers_delight.html Thanks to everyone who submitted material. To keep things simple, I only added one song per artist. If you would like to be included, email me at finley@skyq.com *not* the list. Just let me know what your mp3 "artist name" is and the song you wish to submit. You *must* be an mp3 artist to be included (you can signup for free). Matt -------------------------------------------------- Please use the "reply to" address when responding From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 26 15:41:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08684; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:40:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:40:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01c601bfdf9d$f9d1d0c0$1101a8c0@pacbell.net> Reply-To: "Matt McCabe" From: "Matt McCabe" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Volume 2 Compilation CD still for sale Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:40:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The Looper's Delight Compilation CD Volume 2 is still for sale. On July 31st, we are losing our capability to process international credit card orders. So place those orders now! www.finleysound.com/loop Matt -------------------------------------------------- Please use the "reply to" address when responding From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 26 16:43:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08950; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:40:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:40:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01ab01bfdf9c$510a8780$1101a8c0@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:42:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: Looper's Delight Radio is Live!! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Way cool! Is there a link to this from the LD site? If not, there should be! Cheers, Chris >The Looper's Delight Radio is live!! > >http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/64/loopers_delight.html > >Thanks to everyone who submitted material. To keep things simple, I only >added one song per artist. If you would like to be included, email me at >finley@skyq.com *not* the list. Just let me know what your mp3 "artist >name" is and the song you wish to submit. You *must* be an mp3 artist to be >included (you can signup for free). > >Matt > >-------------------------------------------------- >Please use the "reply to" address when responding From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 26 17:48:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09201; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:43:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:43:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: GIG ALERT: Rainer Straschill/digital penis expert group Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:42:01 +0200 Message-ID: <000901bfdfb7$5d110930$0301a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01BFDFC8.209B5FD0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BFDFC8.209B5FD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greetings fellow Loopers, accompanying the opening of Groxy's art exhibition at Caf'e Vor Ort, Gautinger Str. 3, Neuried bei Gauting, München, Bayern, Germany, on 1st of July 2000, 20:30, Rainer Straschill (me) will perform on soprano and alto saxophone, tenor/bass trombone, vocal noises, six-string electric bass guitar, a multitude of synths and samplers, effectors and loopers. Admission is free, I#D be delighted if any of you might show up! Cheers, Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks www.moinlabs.de ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BFDFC8.209B5FD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings fellow=20 Loopers,
 
accompanying the=20 opening of Groxy's art exhibition at Caf'e Vor Ort, Gautinger Str. 3, = Neuried=20 bei Gauting, M=FCnchen, Bayern, Germany, on 1st of July 2000, 20:30, = Rainer=20 Straschill (me) will perform on soprano and alto saxophone, tenor/bass = trombone,=20 vocal noises, six-string electric bass guitar, a multitude of synths and = samplers, effectors and loopers. Admission is free, I#D be delighted if = any of=20 you might show up!
 
Cheers,
 
       &nbs= p;   =20 Rainer
 
Rainer Straschill
Moinlabs GFX and = Soundworks
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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BFDFC8.209B5FD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jun 26 22:18:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09981; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:17:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:17:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Phaedebk@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:15:34 EDT Subject: Re: OT: gadget Labs To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id WAA09932 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hola Luis, Mucho gusto! Hey man, the abbreviations are: OS: Operating System (the interface betwixt the hardware and the User for commands to be sent to the various hardware of the computer, in this case.) OSR: Original Service Release (Actually, it is OEM SR but shortened down to OSR, this is the type of release specifically on Windows 95 and 98 for different computer companies out there, such as Compaq, Dell, Sony, etc...) NIC´s: Network Interface Card (plural with the 's) RAS: Remote Access Service (great stuff, and pretty powerful, though not as happening as a telnet session, but nearly there...) NT: New Technology (though there are a few of us who poke a little fun at it, and will happily refer to this OS version of Windows as "Nice Try." Typically, when you see someone referring to "NT" they're referring to version 4.0.) HDD: Hard Disk Drive [your hard drive of your computer, the best types to snag for music are going to be SCSI (Small Computer Standard Interface) II UW or IIIUW (Ultra Wide) and be A/V (Audio/Video) this way you'll have a cleaner media for the OS and the software you're using.] Haven't checked out the ISIS card, but I've seen them about in different Guitar Center stores... You may want to try checking out http://www.wmcworld.com (Chuck Levin's) as they've been very kind to me as far as researching different pieces of equipment out there. Ja, LeeohkinoWired. From info@channeleau.com Mon Jun 26 23:22:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com [24.2.10.84]) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10288 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:22:51 -0400 Received: from mail ([24.69.202.44]) by mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000627032248.OCXJ11070.mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com@mail> for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:22:48 -0700 Subject: BLUE PLANET - CONSORTIUM I: New Canadian Music Label Releases First CD From: "Channel Eau Communications" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: ActiveSMTP 1.0.1.9 Message-Id: <20000627032248.OCXJ11070.mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com@mail> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:22:48 -0700 NEW CANADIAN MUSIC CD LABEL CHANNEL EAU COMMUNICATIONS (http://www.channeleau.com) RELEASES FIRST CD: BLUE PLANET - CONSORTIUM I (Listen to music samples online) Channel Eau Communications: An independent, artist-owned and operated, CD label, based in Victoria, B.C., Canada Blue Planet - Consortium I: The first CD in what promises to be a fascinating series of musical expeditions. 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Email: info@channeleau.com WebSite: http://www.channeleau.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 02:26:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10726; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:25:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:25:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000625091900.0081c100@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 09:19:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Clark Subject: RE: Loopers In Dallas/FTW In-Reply-To: <20000624232424.59277.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <3kSwoB.A.QmC.hhEW5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks! Michael At 06:24 PM 6/24/00 CDT, you wrote: >Hello, >My name is Jeremiah Runnels and I live in houston. I use ths Sherman Quad >Modular filter, Lexi Vortex and an EDp in case you Dfw Guya wanted to know. >Thanks, >Jeremiah >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 02:26:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10737; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:25:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 02:25:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000625091448.007f12f0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 09:14:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Clark Subject: RE: Loopers In Dallas/FTW In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.20000624164511.00816bf0@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <09tym.A.lmC.hhEW5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for the response. Perhaps we can get together at some point and compare notes (no pun intended). I just started looping using an Oberheim Echoplex. Looking for something that allows me to erase or mute "interior" layers so I can vary the sound scape. Will be out of town for the month of July. Will touch base in August. Will check out the web site. Michael At 05:08 PM 6/24/00 -0500, you wrote: > >> Just curious if there are any loopers in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area who >> peruse this list? > >I peruse...and live in DFW. I play with Mark Cook who also loops >(very well, I might add). He uses a Boomerang and a EDP. I have an >EDP that we sync together. Check out www.99namesofgod.com for >sound clips. > > -Mike McGary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 08:16:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11597; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:10:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:10:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000627120754.23245.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 05:07:54 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: Re: OT: gadget Labs To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have an ISIS. It works fine although I'm not crazy about the bundled Logic Audio software. Dan Sumner --- Phaedebk@aol.com wrote: > Hola Luis, > > Mucho gusto! Hey man, the abbreviations are: > OS: Operating System (the interface betwixt the > hardware and the User for > commands to be sent to the various hardware of the > computer, in this case.) > OSR: Original Service Release (Actually, it is OEM > SR but shortened down to > OSR, this is the type of release specifically on > Windows 95 and 98 for > different computer companies out there, such as > Compaq, Dell, Sony, etc...) > NIC´s: Network Interface Card (plural with the 's) > RAS: Remote Access Service (great stuff, and pretty > powerful, though not as > happening as a telnet session, but nearly there...) > NT: New Technology (though there are a few of us > who poke a little fun at > it, and will happily refer to this OS version of > Windows as "Nice Try." > Typically, when you see someone referring to "NT" > they're referring to > version 4.0.) > HDD: Hard Disk Drive [your hard drive of your > computer, the best types to > snag for music are going to be SCSI (Small Computer > Standard Interface) II UW > or IIIUW (Ultra Wide) and be A/V (Audio/Video) this > way you'll have a cleaner > media for the OS and the software you're using.] > > Haven't checked out the ISIS card, but I've seen > them about in different > Guitar Center stores... You may want to try > checking out > http://www.wmcworld.com (Chuck Levin's) as they've > been very kind to me as > far as researching different pieces of equipment out > there. > > Ja, > > LeeohkinoWired. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 08:27:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11776; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:26:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:26:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39589C1A.98FAD13D@mogul.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:20:42 +0200 From: mark red Reply-To: mark.francombe@mogul.com Organization: mogul.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: loopers radio station. References: <20000627120754.23245.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ... is that it? sorry if someone spent alot of time setting up and uploading their CRAP to the site but, to me, looping isnt just pressing hold every once in a while to make a perfectly OK bit of music skip like a bad CD! One or two pieces were quite ...er...nice, but they were too " I wish I was fripp/torn(insert muso here)" for me. Its a shame, Id like to listen to looping at work but this was too BORING. Mark Red From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 08:42:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA12050; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:41:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:41:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01bfe035$66920f80$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "Brian Mulvey" To: References: Subject: Re: sp808, VP9000, and system design Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:44:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01BFE013.DE84AA60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01BFE013.DE84AA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hehehe.. I was having the same fantasy the other day. This thing looks = pretty neat, but the price is just plain silly. b. =3D=3D=3D=3D I think Roland's Variphrase processor has awesome possibilities, but = i'm not sure if it's creative potential can be seen through the price = tag (and possibly the learning curve, too?). So, i will at least have a = small fantasy that they won't sell well, the price floor will drop out, = and i can pick one up used in a few years for a few hundred bucks. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01BFE013.DE84AA60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hehehe.. I was having the same = fantasy the other=20 day. This thing looks pretty neat, but the price is just plain=20 silly.
 
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I think Roland's Variphrase processor has awesome possibilities, = but i'm=20 not sure if it's creative potential can be seen through the price tag = (and=20 possibly the learning curve, too?). So, i will at least have a small = fantasy=20 that they won't sell well, the price floor will drop out, and i can = pick one=20 up used in a few years for a few hundred = bucks.
------=_NextPart_000_005B_01BFE013.DE84AA60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 09:27:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12334; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:26:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:26:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <395925F0.C412B5ED@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:08:48 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: loopers radio station. References: <20000627120754.23245.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> <39589C1A.98FAD13D@mogul.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Brilliant 2nd post Mark obviously you're here to find some support,contacts,friends? nice move Claude mark red wrote: > > ... is that it? > > sorry if someone spent alot of time setting up and uploading their CRAP > to the site but, to me, looping isnt just pressing hold every once in a > while to make a perfectly OK bit of music skip like a bad CD! > > One or two pieces were quite ...er...nice, but they were too " I wish I > was fripp/torn(insert muso here)" for me. > > Its a shame, Id like to listen to looping at work but this was too > BORING. > > Mark Red From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 09:48:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12512; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:46:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:46:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3958AFE5.E28A4182@engin.umich.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:45:10 -0400 From: Darcy Clark Reply-To: darcyc@engin.umich.edu Organization: MSE, Umich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loopers radio station. References: <20000627120754.23245.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> <39589C1A.98FAD13D@mogul.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com can you say "flame bait" ? Looks like another address for the mail filter. mark red wrote: > > ... is that it? > > sorry if someone spent alot of time setting up and uploading their CRAP > to the site but, to me, looping isnt just pressing hold every once in a > while to make a perfectly OK bit of music skip like a bad CD! > > One or two pieces were quite ...er...nice, but they were too " I wish I > was fripp/torn(insert muso here)" for me. > > Its a shame, Id like to listen to looping at work but this was too > BORING. > > Mark Red -- --------------------------------------------------- Ph: (734) 764 3377 Email: darcyc@engin.umich.edu URL: http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ --------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 09:53:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12672; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:50:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:50:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Mike McGary" To: Subject: RE: Loopers In Dallas/FTW Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:49:57 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20000625091448.007f12f0@mail.airmail.net> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I just started looping using an Oberheim Echoplex. Looking for something > that allows me to erase or mute "interior" layers so I can vary the sound > scape. What I use for this is multiple loops. Set the EDP for 4-8 loops or so...lay down the foundation on the first loop...jump to the second loop while copying time and length. Add to this loop something simple (still building foundations here). Keep doing this varying the number of copies if needed. Soon you will have all of the loops with foundations that are common. Now build your textures on top...jumping from loop to loop as needed. -Mike McGary From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 10:40:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12943; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:38:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:38:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix6.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:36:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Rainer Straschill Cc: "Looper's Delight Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: GIG ALERTs In-Reply-To: <000901bfdfb7$5d110930$0301a8c0@SATAN> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <5hn7hC.A.rJD.uvLW5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com please! include the city (& country if applic) in the subject header! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 10:47:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13165; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:44:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:44:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <07e301bfe045$c4acfde0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: loopers radio station. Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:41:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Don't hold back, Mark! Tell us what you REALLY think. :) Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 10:52:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13389; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:50:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:50:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3958BEB2.55EF92C@engin.umich.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:48:23 -0400 From: Darcy Clark Reply-To: darcyc@engin.umich.edu Organization: MSE, Umich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mark.francombe@mogul.com, "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: loopers radio station. References: <20000627120754.23245.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> <39589C1A.98FAD13D@mogul.com> <3958AFE5.E28A4182@engin.umich.edu> <3958B6A4.BA7B1F24@mogul.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yes I listened to every one of the songs .... while I have opinions about the tracks I listened to, and you are of course quite entitled to yours, what did you hope to gain by calling their music 'crap' ? Another question - would you have gone right up to their face in real life and told them the same thing ? Don't you think it's rude to put people down like that in 'public' (the email list is essentially a public forum) ? How do you know other people didn't have religous experiences listening to the same tracks that obviously didn't work for you ? That is the whole point...music is different, and means different things, to each and every one of us. So I'm not objecting to your posting your opinions (which you have justified much better in your second mail), I'm just feel that calling people's music 'crap' and 'boring' in a public forum is rude and pretty non-constructive. sincerely, Darcy mark red wrote: > > did YOU listen to it? > > I just meant that the facinating and intelligent remarks and information > that I have found on this mailing list, such as hypnosis, droning, > microtonality, experimental midi configurations, spiritualism, noise, > etc etc etc... not to mention the useful info concerning equipment, > uses, conversions, modifications etc etc etc, was NOT reflected (TO ME) > by the standard of music I heard on this site, and that I thought that > that was a shame. > > sorry if i put anyones nose outa joint. > > Mark > > Darcy Clark wrote: > > > > can you say "flame bait" ? Looks like another address for the mail filter. > > > > mark red wrote: > > > > > > ... is that it? > > > > > > sorry if someone spent alot of time setting up and uploading their CRAP > > > to the site but, to me, looping isnt just pressing hold every once in a > > > while to make a perfectly OK bit of music skip like a bad CD! > > > > > > One or two pieces were quite ...er...nice, but they were too " I wish I > > > was fripp/torn(insert muso here)" for me. > > > > > > Its a shame, Id like to listen to looping at work but this was too > > > BORING. > > > > > > Mark Red > > > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Ph: (734) 764 3377 > > Email: darcyc@engin.umich.edu > > URL: http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ > > --------------------------------------------------- > > -- > .......mogul.com°................................................... > > mogul.com > mark francombe red - multimedia designer > > drammensveien 134 > NO-0277 oslo > norway > > tel +47 - 24 11 43 00 > direct tel +47 - 24 11 45 15 > mobil +47 - 98 66 14 56 > > mark.francombe@mogul.com > > ........................................................................... -- --------------------------------------------------- Ph: (734) 764 3377 Email: darcyc@engin.umich.edu URL: http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ --------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 11:05:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13578; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:59:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:59:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <6.7e40c67.268a1aca@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:57:14 EDT Subject: Off Topic-Experience Music Project To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 146 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi there Loopfiends, This is not particularly loop related but I would like to recommend to anyone who can plan a trip up to Seattle, WA to try make it up to the new Experience Music Project if you can. It is a terrific thing they (Paul Allen and Co.) have done for the music/creative community as well as being a tremendous amount of fun to boot. You ought to try to get there some time if you ever have vacation plans that include the Pacific Northwest. A little more on topic--at the grand opening festivities of the EMP mentioned above I went to see Bill Frisell (who was the last act of the last night of the grand opening weekend). He was awsome! It was the first time I'd ever seen him live (though I've been a fan since his days at ECM). His music alternately brought tears to my eyes for it's shear profundity or plastered a grin across my face to see how much fun he was having making it. There was some use of loops in almost every tune but more often than not only for short moments here and there--and pretty frequently as segues between songs. He mostly used just some little stomp box delays set up on a stool to do this. He didn't use any long delays at all and no other looping gear was anywhere to be seen. He was playing in a band that included 3 other guitarists (or banjo/mandolinists) so I suppose those guys were playing stuff that Bill might have played himself and used loops for if he were playing alone as he did on his most recent album. But there was such intense interplay between he and the musicians it's no surprise that he's chosen to do things this way now. T.Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 11:14:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13759; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:12:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:12:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901bfe049$cad98270$51cec22b@camb.scee.sony.co.uk> From: "Os" To: Subject: gig annoucement: cambridge, UK, 30/6/2000 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:10:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BFE052.2C6BDDF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BFE052.2C6BDDF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As part of the "Hybrid Machine" art/installation event, Darkroom http://www.collective.co.uk/darkroom/ and Glitch DJs will be providing 2 hours of ambient loopy sound. Cambridge Drama Centre, Covent Garden, Cambridge, UK 8pm-10pm, 30th June = & 1st July. http://www.dramacentre.co.uk/ cheers, os os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BFE052.2C6BDDF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
As part of the "Hybrid Machine" art/installation event, = Darkroom
http://www.collective.co.u= k/darkroom/
and Glitch DJs will be providing 2 hours of ambient loopy = sound.
 
Cambridge Drama Centre, Covent Garden, Cambridge, UK 8pm-10pm, 30th = June=20 & 1st July.
 
http://www.dramacentre.co.uk/<= /DIV>
 
 
 
cheers,
 
os
os@collective.co.uk
http://www.collective.co.uk
 
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BFE052.2C6BDDF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 11:43:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14027; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:42:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:42:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:40:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: gig annoucement: cambridge, UK, 30/6/2000 In-Reply-To: <000901bfe049$cad98270$51cec22b@camb.scee.sony.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yes!!!! the style-manual for gig announcements! man, i'd pop the airfare to go to this one just to say good on yer. r From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 12:00:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14271; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:59:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:59:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:57:13 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: hope this isnt the official review Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA14219 Resent-Message-ID: <197e3C.A.WeD.M8MW5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > i want the real scoop.......what happened?........who was the first to put a lampshade on their head?.........:)...........give me the gossip!................michael Well... You asked Michael so here's the deal... A Santa Cruz looper jam / get together happened Sunday the 25th, 2pm - 8pm... Matt Davignon - Turntable, cassettes, 2 DOD DFX94's Chris Cory - Sax and toy instruments, Line 6 DL4 Larry Peterson - Custom (Warr style) tap instrument, treated vox, synth? EDP? Jonathan El-Bizri - Stick, SP808, JamMan, EDP? Kamlapati Khalsa - Guitar, SP808, 2 EDP's Dana Scruggs - Korg Triton keyboard Laurie Hatch - Bass, percussion, vox, EDP Scott Kungha Drengshen - 12 string bass, EDP? Tim Sanz - Guitar, DL4 Miko Biffle - Guitar, EDP I'm counting 10... I hope I'm not forgetting anyone here! There were a few no shows due to conflicting work schedules as well... There WERE 16 confirmed players. Anyway... as we all set up there was an additive sort of wall of sound being generated, some of which was taped. I was very leery of trying to loop with 10 people... so I prepared a simplified version of John Zorn's Cobra game piece, which we played a couple times. This helps move the music along in various sub-groups using a visually oriented cueing system. We all felt that for a first time, this was a big success, and are now babbling on about doing a second jam and using more detailed signalling methods. As a group, we seemed very intent on PLAYING rather than socializing. It was a 6 hour duration and we used a solid 4 of it for playing. One hour for setup, loose jamming and one hour of break down. There was NO lampshade wearing unfortunately Michael... Oh yeah... This all happened at a rehearsal studio I rented for the event... we set up in the round and might have been able to fit more people... but it was packed. I'm thinking that we may rent a more "recital" oriented hall for the next one. (this space was a concrete, echoey, industrial building.) We DID record... are getting ready to do some edits and mastering... and will at LEAST post this stuff to a web site. Hopefully there will be a cd of the highlights as well. Anyway... we all had a great time and now we have some faces to go along with the various names we constantly see on this great list! In many ways, I felt like I already knew everyone there to some degree... confirming my feelings of community and common purpose I've found here at Loopers Delight. Thanks Kim for this place to meet and build relationships here! I can pretty confidently say I would never have made these contacts and had this event without this list... I'll post any contact info for this stuff as it develops... Best to all, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 12:17:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14495; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:15:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:15:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501bfe04a$86a623a0$1101a8c0@pacbell.net> Reply-To: "Matt McCabe" From: "Matt McCabe" To: References: <20000627120754.23245.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> <39589C1A.98FAD13D@mogul.com> Subject: Re: loopers radio station. Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:15:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mark Red said: > sorry if someone spent alot of time setting up and uploading their CRAP > to the site but, to me, looping isnt just pressing hold every once in a > while to make a perfectly OK bit of music skip like a bad CD! Perhaps Mark can enlighten us to what "real" looping music is. He's obviously clued into something that us ignorant loopers are missing. How about it Mark? Care to bare your soul to the list and email your mp3 artist name so we can all revel in your brillance? Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 12:27:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14713; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:25:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:25:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:26:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: hope this isnt the official review Resent-Message-ID: <8nyNJB.A.SlD.eUNW5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Congratulations everyone! Sounds wonderful! Did you all attempt to sync the looping devices together? If so, did you use MIDI beat clock, or perhaps Brother-Sync for all the EDP users? - Chris >> i want the real scoop.......what happened?........who was the first to >>put a lampshade on their head?.........:)...........give me the >>gossip!................michael > >Well... You asked Michael so here's the deal... > >A Santa Cruz looper jam / get together happened Sunday the 25th, 2pm - 8pm... > >Matt Davignon - Turntable, cassettes, 2 DOD DFX94's >Chris Cory - Sax and toy instruments, Line 6 DL4 >Larry Peterson - Custom (Warr style) tap instrument, treated vox, synth? EDP? >Jonathan El-Bizri - Stick, SP808, JamMan, EDP? >Kamlapati Khalsa - Guitar, SP808, 2 EDP's >Dana Scruggs - Korg Triton keyboard >Laurie Hatch - Bass, percussion, vox, EDP >Scott Kungha Drengshen - 12 string bass, EDP? >Tim Sanz - Guitar, DL4 >Miko Biffle - Guitar, EDP > >I'm counting 10... I hope I'm not forgetting anyone here! There were a few >no shows due to conflicting work schedules as well... There WERE 16 >confirmed players. > >Anyway... as we all set up there was an additive sort of wall of sound >being generated, some of which was taped. I was very leery of trying to >loop with 10 people... so I prepared a simplified version of John Zorn's >Cobra game piece, which we played a couple times. This helps move the >music along in various sub-groups using a visually oriented cueing system. >We all felt that for a first time, this was a big success, and are now >babbling on about doing a second jam and using more detailed signalling >methods. > >As a group, we seemed very intent on PLAYING rather than socializing. It >was a 6 hour duration and we used a solid 4 of it for playing. One hour >for setup, loose jamming and one hour of break down. There was NO >lampshade wearing unfortunately Michael... Oh yeah... This all happened at >a rehearsal studio I rented for the event... we set up in the round and >might have been able to fit more people... but it was packed. I'm thinking >that we may rent a more "recital" oriented hall for the next one. (this >space was a concrete, echoey, industrial building.) > >We DID record... are getting ready to do some edits and mastering... and >will at LEAST post this stuff to a web site. Hopefully there will be a cd >of the highlights as well. Anyway... we all had a great time and now we >have some faces to go along with the various names we constantly see on >this great list! In many ways, I felt like I already knew everyone there >to some degree... confirming my feelings of community and common purpose >I've found here at Loopers Delight. > >Thanks Kim for this place to meet and build relationships here! I can >pretty confidently say I would never have made these contacts and had this >event without this list... > >I'll post any contact info for this stuff as it develops... > >Best to all, >-Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 12:43:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14918; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:39:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:39:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:37:57 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: hope this isnt the official review Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA14865 Resent-Message-ID: <2R44JB.A.doD.6hNW5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Congratulations everyone! Sounds wonderful! Did you all attempt to sync the looping devices together? If so, did you use MIDI beat clock, or perhaps Brother-Sync for all the EDP users? Not a chance! We may move on to that department next time. -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 12:54:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15119; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:52:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:52:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003f01bfe057$e414acc0$2f32dacf@z5k2e6> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <07e301bfe045$c4acfde0$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Subject: Re: loopers radio station. Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:51:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <-Fb_ZC.A.trD.juNW5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think some level of Zen understanding may be achieved on our part by remembering that Most People Are Like This Guy, and, after a possibly bad day, they're capable of the most useless levels of bile, directed at some unconsciously chosen target. When I was 14 I told my mother that "most people have cottage cheese between their ears," and this remains an unaltered statement to this day. Anyone on this list who says they've never encountered this kind of thing is either in sheer denial, or has never played for an uncontrolled audience. So check your teflon jackets, kids - the rebuttals to Mark's flame have taken up more bandwidth than the original flame itself - to say nothing of personal bandwidth used in even contemplating such uninformed and uncontrolled foolishness. Let's all go play some of our own music, and forget all of this. Stephen Goodman * The Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 12:59:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15281; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:58:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:58:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000627115616.00859b80@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:56:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Clark Subject: RE: Loopers In Dallas/FTW In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.20000625091448.007f12f0@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thank you! I'll check out this process! Cool! Michael At 08:49 AM 6/27/00 -0500, you wrote: >> I just started looping using an Oberheim Echoplex. Looking for something >> that allows me to erase or mute "interior" layers so I can vary the sound >> scape. > >What I use for this is multiple loops. Set the EDP for 4-8 loops or >so...lay down the foundation on the first loop...jump to the second loop >while copying time and length. Add to this loop something simple >(still building foundations here). Keep doing this varying the number >of copies if needed. Soon you will have all of the loops with >foundations that are common. Now build your textures on top...jumping >from loop to loop as needed. > > -Mike McGary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 14:16:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15562; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:10:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:10:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:05:20 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: loopers radio station. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA15518 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I think some level of Zen understanding may be achieved on our part by remembering that Most People Are Like This Guy, and, after a possibly bad day, they're capable of the most useless levels of bile, directed at some unconsciously chosen target. When I was 14 I told my mother that "most people have cottage cheese between their ears," and this remains an unaltered statement to this day. So we're back to Frank, Einstein, and stupidity theory... Yep, we're all capable of it... > Anyone on this list who says they've never encountered this kind of thing is either in sheer denial, or has never played for an uncontrolled audience. So check your teflon jackets, kids - No denial... it's one thing to receive criticism / review from the unwashed masses. Sure... there's sometimes amazingly caustic remarks made... On this LIST though, I'd say I'll use bandwith as I choose to try and make sense of other posters remarks... There were some harsh, dismissive comments, and for the most part... the replies to that have been kindly guiding the discussion back to something constructive. I appreciate the fact that Mark has expanded on his criticism to DISCUSS his reasoning a little. It's nice to know that he may actually aspire to becoming part of a friendly community here. The bonus is that he's actually OT and discussing LOOPING. Imagine that... > the rebuttals to Mark's flame have taken up more bandwidth than the original flame itself - to say nothing of personal bandwidth used in even contemplating such uninformed and uncontrolled foolishness. When some says our loops are shite... we're ON TOPIC. This warrants further discussion. I wanna know what criterea people are judging with. I'm also interested in possibly hearing examples of Mark's techniques or at least values which led him to his conclusions... > Let's all go play some of our own music, and forget all of this. Yep... we had a great looper jam just this sunday. But forget... NOT. I wanna know... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 15:49:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16019; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:47:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:47:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:41:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Katrin Schenk X-Sender: schenk@binary To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looking for Mark Sottilaro of SF Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <3LWaV.A.o5D.VRQW5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Can anyone (or Mark!) give me Mark Sottilaro's NEWEST email address? Can't seem to get ahold of him with the old one. Thanks, ------------------------- Katrin Schenk Center for Radiophysics and Space Research Cornell University Ithaca, NY 14853 (607)-255-6517 Fax: (607)-255-6918 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 16:15:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16236; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:14:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:14:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <39589BCF.3C28@altruistmusic.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:19:26 +0100 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@altruistmusic.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mark.francombe@mogul.com, "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: loopers radio station. References: <20000627120754.23245.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> <39589C1A.98FAD13D@mogul.com> <3958AFE5.E28A4182@engin.umich.edu> <3958B6A4.BA7B1F24@mogul.com> <3958BEB2.55EF92C@engin.umich.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Mark, Thanks for taking the time to check out everyone's radio tunes. Sorry they didn't pass muster for you. A few thoughts: > > sorry if someone spent alot of time setting up and uploading their CRAP > > to the site No need to apologize, Mark, I don't blame you for the time engendered in the set-up and uploading of my CRAP (emphasis yours). > > but, to me, looping isnt just pressing hold every once in a > > while to make a perfectly OK bit of music skip like a bad CD! If it makes you feel any better, I didn't press "hold" at any time during the construction of my track. Nor is there a "hold" button on any of my gear. Nor was there a "perfectly OK" piece of pre-existing music to make skip. Maybe you can elaborate? Then again, given what I've seen of your mailing list contributions, maybe you can't. > > One or two pieces were quite ...er...nice, but they were too " I wish I > > was fripp/torn(insert muso here)" for me. If you can point me in the direction of anyone who's getting theÊsame sounds out of an Echoplex Digital Pro as are on my LD radio track, please speak up. > > I just meant that the facinating and intelligent remarks and information > > that I have found on this mailing list, such as hypnosis, droning, > > microtonality, experimental midi configurations, spiritualism, noise, > > etc etc etc... not to mention the useful info concerning equipment, > > uses, conversions, modifications etc etc etc, was NOT reflected (TO ME) > > by the standard of music I heard on this site, and that I thought that > > that was a shame. Half of the items you're talking about (MIDI configurations, conversions, modifications, etc) are *TOOLS*. They're things you use to get a job done; they're not statements in themselves. You can have the most tweezed-out, experimentally-constructed rig around, but that doesn't mean you're going to automatically make interesting music. The other half of the things you're talking about (hypnosis, spiritualism, noise and so on) are such abstract and indistinct categories that they could be applied to most anything. So sure, I could talk about Unquantized Echoplex Insertion techniques, Asymmetrical Loop Reverse Points, Real Time Overdubbed Looping overlaid against Step Time Nonlinear Looping, the Post-DJ notion of the remix and of a piece never truly being "finished", Recombinant Beat Variation utilizing re-ordering or "chopping" of single loops into various permutations, or the intersection between the "conventional vernaculars" of real-time looping convention and DJ-based dialectics. All these things are present on my track. Maybe that will help you enjoy the material more. Better yet, maybe you can mull over these sorts of muso armchair abstractions indefinitely, safe from the proving ground of actual sound, and not have to actually suffer the shock of realizing that endless threads of intellectual mailing list philosophizing may not actually take shape in the form of music that you like! --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 17:05:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16541; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:52:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:52:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39589BCF.3C28@altruistmusic.com> References: <20000627120754.23245.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> <39589C1A.98FAD13D@mogul.com> <3958AFE5.E28A4182@engin.umich.edu> <3958B6A4.BA7B1F24@mogul.com> <3958BEB2.55EF92C@engin.umich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:53:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: loopers radio station. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Andre gets the prize today! Excellent verbage, sir, excellent... I suck at getting Real Player to work for me, so i have shyed away from the whole 'internet music delivery system' thing (to my detriment, i am sure...) but i will make a point to go to the LD mp3 page to check out all the CRAP, based on these two paragraphs alone. thanx. in fact, i probably contribute some crap soon, as well. rich >So sure, I could talk about Unquantized Echoplex Insertion techniques, >Asymmetrical Loop Reverse Points, Real Time Overdubbed Looping overlaid >against Step Time Nonlinear Looping, the Post-DJ notion of the remix and >of a piece never truly being "finished", Recombinant Beat Variation >utilizing re-ordering or "chopping" of single loops into various >permutations, or the intersection between the "conventional vernaculars" >of real-time looping convention and DJ-based dialectics. All these >things are present on my track. > >Maybe that will help you enjoy the material more. Better yet, maybe you >can mull over these sorts of muso armchair abstractions indefinitely, >safe from the proving ground of actual sound, and not have to actually >suffer the shock of realizing that endless threads of intellectual >mailing list philosophizing may not actually take shape in the form of >music that you like! > >--Andre LaFosse From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 19:13:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17146; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:06:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:06:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <27.76865d5.268a8cc4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:03:32 EDT Subject: Re: loopers radio station. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/27/00 5:07:27 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, mbiffle@svg.com writes: << When some says our loops are shite... we're ON TOPIC. This warrants further discussion. I wanna know what criterea people are judging with. I'm also interested in possibly hearing examples of Mark's techniques or at least values which led him to his conclusions... >> miko........well said!........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 19:13:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17017; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:59:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:59:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <97.752b7d3.268a8b2a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:56:42 EDT Subject: WOW! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: <0xr49B.A.JJE.QFTW5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/27/00 2:58:37 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, mbiffle@svg.com writes: << Matt Davignon - Turntable, cassettes, 2 DOD DFX94's Chris Cory - Sax and toy instruments, Line 6 DL4 Larry Peterson - Custom (Warr style) tap instrument, treated vox, synth? EDP? Jonathan El-Bizri - Stick, SP808, JamMan, EDP? Kamlapati Khalsa - Guitar, SP808, 2 EDP's Dana Scruggs - Korg Triton keyboard Laurie Hatch - Bass, percussion, vox, EDP Scott Kungha Drengshen - 12 string bass, EDP? Tim Sanz - Guitar, DL4 Miko Biffle - Guitar, EDP >> miko.....thanks.....michael p.s.........whats an EDP? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 19:22:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17410; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:21:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:21:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:19:06 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: WOW! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA17358 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> mbiffle@svg.com writes: << Matt Davignon - Turntable, cassettes, 2 DOD DFX94's Chris Cory - Sax and toy instruments, Line 6 DL4 Larry Peterson - Custom (Warr style) tap instrument, treated vox, synth? EDP? Jonathan El-Bizri - Stick, SP808, JamMan, EDP? Kamlapati Khalsa - Guitar, SP808, 2 EDP's Dana Scruggs - Korg Triton keyboard Laurie Hatch - Bass, percussion, vox, EDP Scott Kungha Drengshen - 12 string bass, EDP? Tim Sanz - Guitar, DL4 Miko Biffle - Guitar, EDP >> > miko.....thanks.....michael p.s.........whats an EDP? Echoplex Digital Pro... Now made by Trace-Elliot... (I'm holding out for the Flatiron version myself...) -miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 19:28:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17676; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:27:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:27:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <27.76865d5.268a8cc4@aol.com> References: <27.76865d5.268a8cc4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:25:47 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: loopers radio station. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com if you want to critique brutally, you can see my latest looper project... though what's up there is just from our first rehearsal session! /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 19:28:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17625; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:26:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:26:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <97.752b7d3.268a8b2a@aol.com> References: <97.752b7d3.268a8b2a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:24:34 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: WOW! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 6/27/00 2:58:37 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, >mbiffle@svg.com writes: > ><< Matt Davignon - Turntable, cassettes, 2 DOD DFX94's > Chris Cory - Sax and toy instruments, Line 6 DL4 > Larry Peterson - Custom (Warr style) tap instrument, treated vox, synth? EDP? > Jonathan El-Bizri - Stick, SP808, JamMan, EDP? > Kamlapati Khalsa - Guitar, SP808, 2 EDP's > Dana Scruggs - Korg Triton keyboard > Laurie Hatch - Bass, percussion, vox, EDP > Scott Kungha Drengshen - 12 string bass, EDP? > Tim Sanz - Guitar, DL4 > Miko Biffle - Guitar, EDP > >> > >miko.....thanks.....michael >p.s.........whats an EDP? EDP stands for "electronic data processing", an old computer term. Miko has a COBOL-based DSP system that he brewed himself at home... it's capable of processing almost 2000 4-bit samples a second! /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 19:55:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17949; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:52:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:52:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301bfe091$7da1d1e0$7d6202c1@Xonic.kiss.uni-lj.si> From: "Gregor Zavcer" To: Subject: Re: loopers radio station. Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:43:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <4_wl6C.A.6XE._3TW5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com so much talk about nothing... the other day when i was listening to my music at home my mother came home and asked me at the door, if there's something wrong with the waching machine. she was dead serious. i guess she doesn't handle a little bit of distortion:))) still, that doesn't make me worry about what i'm doing. i'm not making music for living, i'm making it just for fun, that is my fun. greetz, gregor From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 20:05:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18130; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:03:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:03:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000627190114.008293b0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:01:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Flatiron Version of EDP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What is the flatiron version? Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 20:39:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18353; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:38:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:38:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000628003635.2179.qmail@web115.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:36:35 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: Re: loopers radio station not working for me! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I tried, but I couldn't get it to play. Any ideas on what I'm overlooking? --- "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > Don't hold back, Mark! Tell us what you REALLY > think. :) > > Dennis Leas > ----------------------------- > dennis@mdbs.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 21:13:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18646; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:11:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:11:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:09:28 EDT Subject: Re: TC Electronics D-TWO To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 66 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've had about a week with a D-2 and it is impressive, but not all that easy to get control of. OF course, it sounds wonderful, in the tc style, and the advertised features work quite easily: You can tap in a distinct rhythm pattern, select an exact number of repeats, up to 10, and fine tune the ducking feature without much of a struggle. But for looping it's a bit more complex. You can set up a tip-ring footswitch pair to tap tempo and bypass, and the bypass can be set to work like a hold button if you're at 100% feedback. But what I prefer for looping with a delay line is to have a pair of control pedals, one assigned to input level and one to feedback, and to do this, as far as I can tell so far (and I haven't actually got it working yet), I'll have to add a dedicated stereo volume pedal in front, and use a configurable MIDI foot controller on which I can set up a cv pedal to CC 50...this # can't be reset on the D-2. There's a list of maybe 25-30 control destinations, each with a fixed controller #, so I'm in for a long session on the floor reassigning all the already-used switches and pedals on my FC-200 and their destination #s on my other gear so the pedals don't do anything to the D-2 when aimed at something else. The Rhythm feature is cool, but has some quirks that surprise me: It's not a cross-feed delay like the rhythm feature on my current looper and favorite delay line, the Korg DL8000R, so it seems to not repeat the very first iteration of the pattern exactly, takes one loop to settle in...or so it seems so far; I'll have to study this more.... Also, I'd expect a rhythm pattern to follow a newly tapped tempo, but as soon as you touch the tap tempo footswitch to change that, the unit switches out of Rhythm mode into straight delay. If you want to speed up or slow down an existing pattern, you have to retap it in, or dial in a new global BPM from the front. I may discover that I can do this with MIDI foot control, but the normally very knowledgeable folks in tc's tech-support area don't seem to know this puppy well enough yet to tell me how, and it ain't in the manual. Noentheless, the D-2 is an inspiring tool, lots of fun right out of the box. I'll letya know when I get all the pieces together whether it does exactly what I want...like the now-discontinued DL8000R, which I highly recommend keeping an eye out for. It seems obvious to me that tc checked this piece out thoroughly when designing the D-2. So far I'm not sure it's clearly superior. I expect it to be, but, like I said, I haven't got it working yet! David Coffin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 21:44:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18834; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:42:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:42:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000627214414.007b6c30@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:44:14 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: WOW! In-Reply-To: <97.752b7d3.268a8b2a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 06:56 PM 6/27/00 EDT, you wrote: >miko.....thanks.....michael >p.s.........whats an EDP? > It's an Echoplex, Michael..... You know, one of those old tape echo units that Maestro used to make, like Jimmy Page uses..... (flame shields UP!!!) So, when and where is the Summer 2K NORTHEASTERN Loopfest??? Tim (Disclaimer: The preceding EDP comment was made with tongue in cheek. Michael knows what an EDP is....) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jun 27 22:14:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19048; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:13:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:13:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000628021034.12512.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.195.54.82] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loopers radio station. Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:10:34 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hmmm, my realplayer doesn't stream mp3 either. It only streams Real Audio. (It might be because I don't have the latest version.) Try Winamp. Then again, mp3.com doesn't stream that well, and they keep rejecting my songs for "copyright infringement" when my samples are unrecognizeable and extremely scrambled, senseless and altered. Time to start looking for a new home on the internet. Matt Davignon >From: rich >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: loopers radio station. >Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:53:22 -0700 > >Andre gets the prize today! Excellent verbage, sir, excellent... > >I suck at getting Real Player to work for me, so i have shyed away from the >whole 'internet music delivery system' thing (to my detriment, i am >sure...) but i will make a point to go to the LD mp3 page to check out all >the CRAP, based on these two paragraphs alone. thanx. in fact, i probably >contribute some crap soon, as well. > >rich > > > >So sure, I could talk about Unquantized Echoplex Insertion techniques, > >Asymmetrical Loop Reverse Points, Real Time Overdubbed Looping overlaid > >against Step Time Nonlinear Looping, the Post-DJ notion of the remix and > >of a piece never truly being "finished", Recombinant Beat Variation > >utilizing re-ordering or "chopping" of single loops into various > >permutations, or the intersection between the "conventional vernaculars" > >of real-time looping convention and DJ-based dialectics. All these > >things are present on my track. > > > >Maybe that will help you enjoy the material more. Better yet, maybe you > >can mull over these sorts of muso armchair abstractions indefinitely, > >safe from the proving ground of actual sound, and not have to actually > >suffer the shock of realizing that endless threads of intellectual > >mailing list philosophizing may not actually take shape in the form of > >music that you like! > > > >--Andre LaFosse > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 03:51:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA19662; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 03:50:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 03:50:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004901bfe0d5$3bfceab0$51cec22b@camb.scee.sony.co.uk> From: "Os" To: References: <20000628003635.2179.qmail@web115.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: loopers radio station not working for me! Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:48:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I tried, but I couldn't get it to play. Any ideas on > what I'm overlooking? an up-to-date version of realplayer? os. > > > > > > --- "Dennis W. Leas" wrote: > > Don't hold back, Mark! Tell us what you REALLY > > think. :) > > > > Dennis Leas > > ----------------------------- > > dennis@mdbs.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 07:16:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20227; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:14:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:14:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3959DCA7.779AAC20@mogul.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:08:23 +0200 From: mark red Reply-To: mark.francombe@mogul.com Organization: mogul.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loopers radio station. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com O H M Y G O D! Is it that people can't take critisism or that the wording of my initial was a tad crass (which offended everyones sensitive musicians ears)? The band I used to play with recieved pages and pages of critisism both constructive and ferociously personal (my favorite was from one review in the NME, which stated that "...the Cranes sound like a baby locked in a toolbox"!!!) I know It can hurt, but you learn to live with it and whats more you can start to analyse what you do from a different perspective. You don't get anything by from fan-mail, other that a oversized ego. Would liberal usage of the acronym IMHO, have protected my burning ass? Look here, I apologise right here and now for using the word "crap". As an englishman, we don't consider that word to be too strong, maybe the differences between American and English are highlighted here. Or maybe I was just having a bad day! But there have been some interesting issues popping up amongst the flames but Im afraid that I agree with... > > the rebuttals to Mark's flame have taken up more bandwidth than the original flame itself - to say nothing of >personal bandwidth used in even contemplating such uninformed and uncontrolled foolishness. ...and > When some says our loops are shite... we're ON TOPIC. I thought I was on topic, and was expecting discussion to follow ABOUT THE MUSIC on the radio site... >This warrants further discussion. quite! >I wanna know what criterea people are judging with. Very good point! Maybe my biggest mistake was not critisising the music at all, but not being detailed/specific enough in my critisism. I was not intending on giving a complete review of each and every track myself, but to start a discussion between list members on their music. >I'm also interested in possibly hearing examples of Mark's techniques... I can do that! (I'll probably regret this but hey... fire away!!!) Ive put some mp3s on a webpage at http://www.8day.com/redweb/ for this very purpose, One small comment, as stated on the page I have been working for a while on a very big project that does have some segments that I could put at this URL, however I havent had time or the inclination to do this as this project is not even close to completion. What is there, however, is a series of songs I did under the name "eardrum" (there has been a different band with the same name pop up in the last 2 years...thats NOT me) but they are a few years old now... techniques involved, well most of it is looped/sampled from scratch, not much record sampling going on, a bit tho, its recorded direct to a minidisc, with some live guitar/bass/synth playing on top as it went to tape, sound quality is variable, Im happy with it, but could probably do with some proffesional mastering/eqing/compressing, I dont have much of a home studio, but when things appear dirty and or distorted, that is probably intentional, I like my "electronic" music to still have a "live" or gritty ...er dare I say "Rock and Roll" quality to it? and... NAH! wait a minute, Im getting all nervous now, and hence making excuses, go ahead...listen and critisize away to your hearts content, I can take it ...I think!!! humbly yours Mark Red .......mogul.com°................................................... mogul.com > mark francombe red - multimedia designer drammensveien 134 NO-0277 oslo norway tel +47 - 24 11 43 00 direct tel +47 - 24 11 45 15 mobil +47 - 98 66 14 56 mark.francombe@mogul.com ........................................................................... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 07:22:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20412; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:20:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:20:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b501bfe0ea$4aa416a0$cdd99b3e@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: "Loopers delight" Subject: Re: No problem Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:18:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Hello kim, > No problem, the last thing i want to do is take your precious time i only > refered to you personally because in the LD site didn´t get any response > except for one of the members with a smart ass answer which created > ridiculous childish fight among other members, you know what i mean.I did > have to ask the same question because what i was asking wasn´t being > specifically answered until Brett answered it. i am not a tech.that´s why.It > didn´t occur to me that i could as well refer to Gibson so excuse my > annoyance. you have solved most of my many frustrating problems with the EDP > ( i own one of the first ones) and that´s why i kept refering to you. > Thanks for all your help and my apologies for sending you this last personal > mail. > > Luis > (BTW i know you like good beer as much as i do if you get the chance in > america try Erdinger dunkels weizen beer germans do it well!) > Aufwedersehen! > > > > Hi Luis- > > I saw this was posted to the list a while ago. I think I just answered it > for you in another mail, but I wanted to suggest a couple of things about > your approach here. > > First, I am not the Gibson Customer Support hotline, and I really don't > have much time to answer mails like this. If you need quick support for the > echoplex, please contact the standard Gibson customer support people. They > have a paid staff just for this, including people who specialize in the > echoplex. They are usually very helpful. Shane Radtke is a very nice guy. > > If you really think you want my help, then you need to be patient. Send me > one mail, and I will answer it when I can. Lately this takes as long as 3 > months, because I really do get a lot of mail like this that I mostly > ignore until I have time for it. You don't need to send such mails to me > repeatedly, as that will just irritate me. (and then I answer you last. :-) > Sending in all caps also does not help. :-) > > Also, trying to get my attention by addressing me directly on the list > won't do you any good since I don't follow the list very closely when I am > busy. This aprroach also doesn't help you much, because the other people on > the list who know the answer usually are not going to reply if someone has > directly addressed me. Just ask the whole list. Also, the LD list is not > Gibson Customer Support either, so questions about repairs probably are not > going to get answered there anyway. Certainly not by somebody who knows > what they are talking about. > > thanks for your understanding, > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 07:27:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20569; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:25:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:25:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01bfe0f3$524bb030$51cec22b@camb.scee.sony.co.uk> From: "Os" To: References: <3959DCA7.779AAC20@mogul.com> Subject: Re: loopers radio station. Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:23:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > The band I used to play with recieved pages and pages of critisism both > constructive and ferociously personal (my favorite was from one review > in the NME, which stated that "...the Cranes sound like a baby locked in > a toolbox"!!!) you were in the Cranes? I remember that review, though to be honest I thought the baby in toolbox comment was a good thing! The world needs more music like a baby in a toolbox. os. os@collective.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/carbonboy/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 08:51:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA20814; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:50:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:50:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000628124818.97831.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [213.45.220.137] From: "italo de angelis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DennisWLeas:OrvilleRules Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:48:17 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Dennis, nice to meet you in this "place"...thanx for your precious info on the Kyma system...I cheched their site out and it looks very good...how does it sounds??? Regarding my thing on Orville: this is a 2 rack units box, so when you come to performing...you don't want to bring computers around...risking those bastard system crashes that often happens, especially with pc and Windows crap, you know what I mean, man?!?! Orville is an open system in this sense: it has more than 200 intrnal modules, into a well organized library; they are audio, control, modulation and math modules; you can choose and arrange them anyway you like, creating incredible sounds, from synths to anything you can imagine, totally customize the user interface so to get menus of parameters organazide in personal logical pages on the large display, program it on the unit or, better, on a pc, in text or graphics environment, patching boxes and virtual cables, pretty much like Kyma. Last...Eventide is a leader in digital audio since 1973...they invented pitch shifting, reverse shifting and many other wonders. You should listen to this box to get how good those 24 bit converters sound. I flew to Denmark to record a cd at Rhytmhic Music Conservatory in Copenhagen; the project was about digital processing of acoustic instruments: everybody was just speechless...it sounds AWESOME, trust me. later ITALOOP ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 09:31:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21045; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:28:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:28:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3959DCA7.779AAC20@mogul.com> References: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:28:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: loopers radio station. Resent-Message-ID: <1ojeYC.A.cIF._1fW5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >O H M Y G O D! > >Is it that people can't take critisism or that the wording of my initial >was a tad crass (which offended everyones sensitive musicians ears)? from webster: CONSTRUCTIVE: PROMOTING IMPROVEMENT OR DEVELOPMENT Personally, I recommend to keep criticism as constructive as possible. Calling something crap or boring, without following it up with reasons, details of your perspective, (and possibly suggestions), is not constructive. Obviously, the music wasn't crap or boring to the person(s) who created it (or they wouldn't have posted it) so what are they supposed to do with that information?... other than say: "Well, too bad". While you eventually did post some constructive info, most people, i believe, were responding to your initial post. Anyways, thanks for following up with some more constructive info. - Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 10:01:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21286; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:59:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:59:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <08bf01bfe108$cc752340$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: WOW! Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:57:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>miko.....thanks.....michael >>p.s.........whats an EDP? > >EDP stands for "electronic data processing", an old computer term. > >Miko has a COBOL-based DSP system that he brewed himself at home... >it's capable of processing almost 2000 4-bit samples a second! Of course, all samples must be keypunched onto cards and then read-in. And don't forget your sequence numbers in columns 73-80! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 10:06:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21531; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:05:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:05:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <395A80B5.15434C5F@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:48:21 -0700 From: Claude voit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: WOW! References: <08bf01bfe108$cc752340$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com michael > >>p.s.........whats an EDP? > > > >EDP stands for "electronic data processing", an old computer term. Expert Digital Penis I have 2 Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 10:21:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21805; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:20:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:20:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000628141859.11985.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:18:59 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: Re: TC Electronics D-TWO To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you send the D2 a tempo thru midi it will respond to tempo changes while in rhythm mode. That has been my experience at least. Let me know if you get it to loop properly. I can't. nevertheless, I'm glad I bought mine. It has the cleanest, most accurate delay I've ever used. Dan Sumner --- Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: > I've had about a week with a D-2 and it is > impressive, but not all that easy > to get control of. OF course, it sounds wonderful, > in the tc style, and the > advertised features work quite easily: You can tap > in a distinct rhythm > pattern, select an exact number of repeats, up to > 10, and fine tune the > ducking feature without much of a struggle. But for > looping it's a bit more > complex. You can set up a tip-ring footswitch pair > to tap tempo and bypass, > and the bypass can be set to work like a hold button > if you're at 100% > feedback. But what I prefer for looping with a delay > line is to have a pair > of control pedals, one assigned to input level and > one to feedback, and to > do this, as far as I can tell so far (and I haven't > actually got it working > yet), I'll have to add a dedicated stereo volume > pedal in front, and use a > configurable MIDI foot controller on which I can set > up a cv pedal to CC > 50...this # can't be reset on the D-2. There's a > list of maybe 25-30 control > destinations, each with a fixed controller #, so I'm > in for a long session on > the floor reassigning all the already-used switches > and pedals on my FC-200 > and their destination #s on my other gear so the > pedals don't do anything to > the D-2 when aimed at something else. > The Rhythm feature is cool, but has some quirks that > surprise me: It's not a > cross-feed delay like the rhythm feature on my > current looper and favorite > delay line, the Korg DL8000R, so it seems to not > repeat the very first > iteration of the pattern exactly, takes one loop to > settle in...or so it > seems so far; I'll have to study this more.... Also, > I'd expect a rhythm > pattern to follow a newly tapped tempo, but as soon > as you touch the tap > tempo footswitch to change that, the unit switches > out of Rhythm mode into > straight delay. If you want to speed up or slow down > an existing pattern, you > have to retap it in, or dial in a new global BPM > from the front. I may > discover that I can do this with MIDI foot control, > but the normally very > knowledgeable folks in tc's tech-support area don't > seem to know this puppy > well enough yet to tell me how, and it ain't in the > manual. > Noentheless, the D-2 is an inspiring tool, lots of > fun right out of the box. > I'll letya know when I get all the pieces together > whether it does exactly > what I want...like the now-discontinued DL8000R, > which I highly recommend > keeping an eye out for. It seems obvious to me that > tc checked this piece out > thoroughly when designing the D-2. So far I'm not > sure it's clearly superior. > I expect it to be, but, like I said, I haven't got > it working yet! > David Coffin > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 11:00:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22053; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:54:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:54:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <79.610803b.268b6af5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:51:33 EDT Subject: Re: WOW! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: <_kcKS.A.AYF.4EhW5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/28/00 12:40:09 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, tcn62@ici.net writes: << So, when and where is the Summer 2K NORTHEASTERN Loopfest??? >> in my bedroom of course..............:).............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 11:23:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22254; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:22:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:22:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:20:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: TC Electronics D-TWO Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: <_GCHxD.A.GbF.HfhW5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How much is A D2? Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > If you send the D2 a tempo thru midi it will respondto tempo changes while in rhythm mode. That has been my experience at least. Let me know if you get it to loop properly. I can't. nevertheless, I'm glad I bought mine. It has the cleanest, most accurate delay I've ever used. Dan Sumner --- Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: > I've had about a week with a D-2 and it is > impressive, but not all that easy > to get control of. OF course, it sounds wonderful, > in the tc style, and the > advertised features work quite easily: You can tap > in a distinct rhythm > pattern, select an exact number of repeats, up to > 10, and fine tune the > ducking feature without much of a struggle. But for > looping it's a bit more > complex. You can set up a tip-ring footswitch pair > to tap tempo and bypass, > and the bypass can be set to work like a hold button > if you're at 100% > feedback. But what I prefer for looping with a delay > line is to have a pair > of control pedals, one assigned to input level and > one to feedback, and to > do this, as far as I can tell so far (and I haven't > actually got it working > yet), I'll have to add a dedicated stereo volume > pedal in front, and use a > configurable MIDI foot controller on which I can set > up a cv pedal to CC > 50...this # can't be reset on the D-2. There's a > list of maybe 25-30 control > destinations, each with a fixed controller #, so I'm > in for a long session on > the floor reassigning all the already-used switches > and pedals on my FC-200 > and their destination #s on my other gear so the > pedals don't do anything to > the D-2 when aimed at something else. > The Rhythm feature is cool, but has some quirks that > surprise me: It's not a > cross-feed delay like the rhythm feature on my > current looper and favorite > delay line, the Korg DL8000R, so it seems to not > repeat the very first > iteration of the pattern exactly, takes one loop to > settle in...or so it > seems so far; I'll have to study this more.... Also, > I'd expect a rhythm > pattern to follow a newly tapped tempo, but as soon > as you touch the tap > tempo footswitch to change that, the unit switches > out of Rhythm mode into > straight delay. If you want to speed up or slow down > an existing pattern, you > have to retap it in, or dial in a new global BPM > from the front. I may > discover that I can do this with MIDI foot control, > but the normally very > knowledgeable folks in tc's tech-support area don't > seem to know this puppy > well enough yet to tell me how, and it ain't in the > manual. > Noentheless, the D-2 is an inspiring tool, lots of > fun right out of the box. > I'll letya know when I get all the pieces together > whether it does exactly > what I want...like the now-discontinued DL8000R, > which I highly recommend > keeping an eye out for. It seems obvious to me that > tc checked this piece out > thoroughly when designing the D-2. So far I'm not > sure it's clearly superior. > I expect it to be, but, like I said, I haven't got > it working yet! > David Coffin > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 11:29:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22454; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:27:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:27:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:25:08 EDT Subject: Re: WOW! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/28/00 1:04:31 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, c.voit@vtx.ch writes: << p.s.........whats an EDP? >> this is it, i will not write more about this........when miko listed the folks at the SC fest he had some playing X-Y-Z and EDP then he listed some playing X-Y-Z and EDP?.........look at the list, i didnt hallucinate this (or did i?).......what have i done?...........its the "question mark" after the EDP that caught my attention.......thats all!!.................:).............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 11:30:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22489; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:29:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:29:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:26:37 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: WOW! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA22414 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > EDP stands for "electronic data processing", an old computer term. It also stands for something very familiar on this list... what could it be??? > Miko has a COBOL-based DSP system that he brewed himself at home... it's capable of processing almost 2000 4-bit samples a second! This gets better each post... I can't wait to find out what my next gear upgrade will be! *-] -miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 11:32:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22698; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:31:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:31:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:29:13 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Flatiron Version of EDP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA22562 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well... I was against one of Gibson's high-tech companies producing the EDP... so I'm pretty much gonna wait til Trace-Elliot folds and passes the EDP on to it's rightful manufacturer... Gibson's subsidiary, Flatiron... makers of find mandolins. I want them to call it the "Flatiron Flashback". There's a bigger market out there if you just include bluegrass folk and such. -Miko >>> mcl451@airmail.net 06/27 5:02 PM >>> What is the flatiron version? Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 11:47:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22933; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:45:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:45:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F90D9BA2@mail.davitt-hanser.com> From: Todd Quincy To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: bad night Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:45:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi folks, I know some of you, enjoy reading all of you. Anyway I thought i would use my allotted BW and vent about a bad gig I had last night due to equipment failure not my EDP but a stupid cord. Under the pressure of a timed performance, the eyes of the crowd, and the racket of voices, I was unable to think clearly and diagnose the problem with a clear mind. I did the gig with straight vocals and guitar, no looping, no vortexing, no great POD sounds. It came off fine and people were pleased nonetheless. I wanted to thank Mathias for his post a month ago that referred to being "dependent" on gear. I used that line before I began to salvage the the last 20 minutes of the gig. It brought laughter form the crowd and I think they understood. What really pissed me off is that i was prepared to record the live loops and invite you to hear them and comment. I would like to start sharing music with you as well as my keystrokes I really enjoy this group and I love knowing there are others who think in a similar fashion as me. Any nightmares you could share and how you handled the situation would be enjoyable and perhaps helpful. Todd Quincy BC Rich, Kustom, D&H tquincy@sayhhi.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 11:50:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23066; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:48:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:48:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:46:22 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: loopers radio station. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA22970 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > O H M Y G O D! Maybe overstating a bit... >>the Cranes sound like a baby locked in a toolbox"!!!) At least an attempt at a creative description. CRAP tells me nothing. Get constuctive if possible. > Would liberal usage of the acronym IMHO, have protected my burning ass? That still doesn't elaborate in any constructive way. (But it might help! 8-)) >> I wanna know what criterea people are judging with. > Very good point! Maybe my biggest mistake was not critisising the music at all, but not being detailed/specific enough in my critisism. I was not intending on giving a complete review of each and every track myself, but to start a discussion between list members on their music. Just say what you mean then... say "Lets discuss" instead of "You're all shite!". >I'm also interested in possibly hearing examples of Mark's techniques... > Ive put some mp3s on a webpage at http://www.8day.com/redweb/ for this very purpose, I'm gonna check it out! I know many Cranes fans and would love to hear some meself! I'm not exactly precious about my stuff... And I can take criticism... just give me something to go with... I need some caloric content in my criticism or it does me no good... > and... NAH! wait a minute, Im getting all nervous now, and hence making excuses, go ahead...listen and critisize away to your hearts content, I can take it ...I think!!! humbly yours Mark Red Hey Mark! You're stating to sound pretty good now! I think you made sensationalist comments to get some personal promo mileage! Hmmmm.... Have you checked out Andre Lafosse's site? http://www.altruistmusic.com/ I agree with Kim that he's done a great job and has some truly unique ideas and tonalities which still manage to have a familiar inviting quality not present in much looping I've heard. Might not be your cup 'o tea, but I find it refreshing. Gotta get his cd for a full listen. Anyway... I'm glad this has progressed (albeit painfully) towards some useful discussion. Good save Mark! Best, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 12:36:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23310; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:34:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:34:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Message-Id: <200006281632.MAA23259@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Wed Jun 28 12:31:47 2000 Subject: Re: bad night, or: instruments To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com These things have happened to me too. At a gig not long ago, I couldn't get a sound out of my rig. Nada. So I plugged my Klein into the PA, and though it sounded just OK, I had no effects, and no loop. A bad cord interrupted my signal path somewhere, and since my EDP and effects are between my pre- and power amps, I could have simply unplugged the rack and played straight through the amp. I was too frustrated to investigate this fully at that moment. That day, we stuck to playing and less to textures, sound, etc. Since we play jazz, this was not a big handicap. Many standards will not benefit from a loop. Sometimes on jazz gigs, I just take a guitar and an amp -- if I'm just a sideman, or for a pickup band, or something simple. It reminds me that I have to play my guitar, not the knobs. All the things we use to play music become instruments. All of them have to be about as reliable as we can afford, otherwise we risk system failure. System failure means possibly no sound at all... or it could mean that we have to play a different version of our music -- the unplugged, or unlooped, or un MIDIed version. I have a really good guitar, as breakdown-proof as I could imagine. I have others too. Most of us can only afford consumer-grade effects and devices, and ALL of these are instruments or tools for us, including cables. I can't swing a studio-grade reverb just now. I saw a webpage showing Fripp's rack, and was amazed that in his mega-buck signal path, with four Eventides (I think), he used a Digitech Whammy, which is about $125 new. Isn't that like putting cheap tires on your new 'Vette? Couldn't he find something better that did that job? Isn't your signal path only as good as the weakest link? But it doesn't always work like that. We use what we can afford. k From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 12:55:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23615; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:52:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:52:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F90D9BA5@mail.davitt-hanser.com> From: Todd Quincy To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: bad night, or: instruments Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:53:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com thanks k This is the type of comment I'm hoping to hear. tq > It reminds me that I have to play my guitar, not the knobs. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 13:12:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23910; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:10:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:10:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:07:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: RE: bad night, or: instruments Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com funny all i play is knobs what a geek i am Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > thanks kThis is the type of comment I'm hoping to hear. tq > It reminds me that I have to play my guitar, not the knobs. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 13:29:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24215; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:26:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:26:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:21:33 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: bad night, or: instruments Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA24166 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I saw a webpage showing Fripp's rack, and was amazed that in his mega-buck signal path, with four Eventides (I think), 4 TC 2290's... a couple Eventides... a TC -Force... a couple Roland GP-100's. Bunch of other midi, synth control and sound module stuff... and the Whammy. > he used a Digitech Whammy, which is about $125 new. Isn't that like putting cheap tires on your new 'Vette? Couldn't he find something better that did that job? Isn't your signal path only as good as the weakest link? If the best tool for the job is cheap... then cheap it is! I keep seeing examples of players with just ok gear getting amazing sounds from it. (And I'm not just talking "interesting... but not really pro"... I'm saying they had it all happening...) That's also what makes things interesting... the different ways we all go about creating. I'd venture to say there really isn't something out there that does the same job as the Whammy... Sure the G-Force does really smooth gliss-like whammy stuff, but you have to program individual patches to get the variety that instantly pops out of a whammy. It's really cool to put a Whammy in front of your distortion which isn't where you'll find most DSP's being used because that would sacrifice their other amazing post-distortion processing options. You're also not noticing his Roland GP-100's, which are digital COSM (modelled amps and such). It's buffered, non-true bypass, and certainly doesn't follow the old single cord into the tube amp paradigm. So many might say he's totally cheesed up his signal path with digital crap. He's also playing without guitar amps... into a pair of powered speakers for monitors... and sending his signal direct to the house. Maybe cheesy in concept to most "guitarists", but in execution, devastatingly effective, and quite possibly the smallest, most elegant solution for the job at hand when compared to the battery of amps, switchers, speaker arrays, then racks required to accomplish the same job. He's got a LOT going on for a single stack 'o rack! > But it doesn't always work like that. We use what we can afford. I'm not so sure money is the object with his selections... (It is with mine, but that's life!) Best regards, -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 14:18:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24473; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:16:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:16:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix2.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:12:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: KB305@aol.com Subject: Re: bad night, or: instruments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I saw a webpage showing Fripp's rack cheeez... i remember the days when he'd go to great lengths to camoflage his gizmos. that is, when he wasn't just using 2 revoxes.... then again, maybe it's all a fake setup, an "iceland" as it were, leading the rest of us away from his personal preferences.... no. i am NOT that suspicous... rbrt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 14:28:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24655; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:26:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:26:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101bfe12d$cb9b6540$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> From: "Bob Campbell" To: References: Subject: Re: using house sound for gtr Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:22:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Re: Fripp's setup >He's also playing without guitar amps... into a pair of powered speakers for monitors... and sending his signal direct to the house Last John McLaughlin tour I saw, he did the same. Problem is that if you have 'good' seats in up close, and the house monitors are aimed at the center/rear for 'reinforcement' the guitar sound will be very weak in the mix. The band with their stage amps (and live drum sound) will be loud and clear but you won't be getting the correct levels of the guitar in relation. Probably sounds great in the rear of the house. But up close the great visuals were matched with lousy guitar sound. Thoughtless, really. -Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 14:54:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24850; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:51:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:51:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000628184839.1250.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:48:39 -0700 (PDT) From: dan sumner Subject: Re: Re: TC Electronics D-TWO To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 499 at guitar center --- magicicada@mindspring.com wrote: > How much is A D2? > Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > > If you send the D2 a tempo thru midi it will > respondto tempo changes while in rhythm mode. That > has been > my experience at least. Let me know if you get it > to > loop properly. I can't. nevertheless, I'm glad I > bought mine. It has the cleanest, most accurate > delay > I've ever used. > Dan Sumner > --- Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: > > I've had about a week with a D-2 and it is > > impressive, but not all that easy > > to get control of. OF course, it sounds wonderful, > > in the tc style, and the > > advertised features work quite easily: You can tap > > in a distinct rhythm > > pattern, select an exact number of repeats, up to > > 10, and fine tune the > > ducking feature without much of a struggle. But > for > > looping it's a bit more > > complex. You can set up a tip-ring footswitch pair > > to tap tempo and bypass, > > and the bypass can be set to work like a hold > button > > if you're at 100% > > feedback. But what I prefer for looping with a > delay > > line is to have a pair > > of control pedals, one assigned to input level > and > > one to feedback, and to > > do this, as far as I can tell so far (and I > haven't > > actually got it working > > yet), I'll have to add a dedicated stereo volume > > pedal in front, and use a > > configurable MIDI foot controller on which I can > set > > up a cv pedal to CC > > 50...this # can't be reset on the D-2. There's a > > list of maybe 25-30 control > > destinations, each with a fixed controller #, so > I'm > > in for a long session on > > the floor reassigning all the already-used > switches > > and pedals on my FC-200 > > and their destination #s on my other gear so the > > pedals don't do anything to > > the D-2 when aimed at something else. > > The Rhythm feature is cool, but has some quirks > that > > surprise me: It's not a > > cross-feed delay like the rhythm feature on my > > current looper and favorite > > delay line, the Korg DL8000R, so it seems to not > > repeat the very first > > iteration of the pattern exactly, takes one loop > to > > settle in...or so it > > seems so far; I'll have to study this more.... > Also, > > I'd expect a rhythm > > pattern to follow a newly tapped tempo, but as > soon > > as you touch the tap > > tempo footswitch to change that, the unit switches > > out of Rhythm mode into > > straight delay. If you want to speed up or slow > down > > an existing pattern, you > > have to retap it in, or dial in a new global BPM > > from the front. I may > > discover that I can do this with MIDI foot > control, > > but the normally very > > knowledgeable folks in tc's tech-support area > don't > > seem to know this puppy > > well enough yet to tell me how, and it ain't in > the > > manual. > > Noentheless, the D-2 is an inspiring tool, lots of > > fun right out of the box. > > I'll letya know when I get all the pieces together > > whether it does exactly > > what I want...like the now-discontinued DL8000R, > > which I highly recommend > > keeping an eye out for. It seems obvious to me > that > > tc checked this piece out > > thoroughly when designing the D-2. So far I'm not > > sure it's clearly superior. > > I expect it to be, but, like I said, I haven't got > > it working yet! > > David Coffin > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! 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Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 15:03:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25121; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:57:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:57:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:56:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: using house sound for gtr Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: <4ZY38B.A.KGG.KpkW5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I heard fripp uses electricty is that true? Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > Re: Fripp's setup>He's also playing without guitar amps... into a pair of powered speakers for monitors... and sending his signal direct to the house Last John McLaughlin tour I saw, he did the same. Problem is that if you have 'good' seats in up close, and the house monitors are aimed at the center/rear for 'reinforcement' the guitar sound will be very weak in the mix. The band with their stage amps (and live drum sound) will be loud and clear but you won't be getting the correct levels of the guitar in relation. Probably sounds great in the rear of the house. But up close the great visuals were matched with lousy guitar sound. Thoughtless, really. -Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 15:23:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25525; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:19:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:19:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Message-Id: <200006281919.PAA25369@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Wed Jun 28 15:18:26 2000 Subject: Re: RE: bad night, or: instruments To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated Wed, 28 Jun 2000 1:07:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, magicicada@mindspring.com writes: << funny all i play is knobs what a geek i am>> So if a cable goes bad, or something in your signal path crashes, or (insert disaster here), what will you do? Sing? It's bound to happen sooner or later... curious, k From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 15:30:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25826; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:26:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:26:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:23:56 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: using house sound for gtr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA25648 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Last John McLaughlin tour I saw, he did the same. Problem is that if you have 'good' seats in up close, and the house monitors are aimed at the center/rear for 'reinforcement' the guitar sound will be very weak in the mix. The band with their stage amps (and live drum sound) will be loud and clear but you won't be getting the correct levels of the guitar in relation. Too bad... You always really want to hear JM! It's a HOUSE problem though which in many cases does work against you. The larger the house though the better the ratio of satisfied listeners to people caught in the "sour" spot up front. > Probably sounds great in the rear of the house. But up close the great visuals were matched with lousy guitar sound. Thoughtless, really. I know that the guy drooling on your gear at the edge of the stage should probably be entitled to lethal guitar levels right in the face... But if you're trying to make sure that MOST of the audience (not just the rear) hears good sound, direct might actually still be the lesser evil. I compromise by pointing one monitor horizontally towards the house from 45 degrees behind me, and placing the other one either in front or just to the side... so I've got a stereo mix to my left or right usually. Sort of a modified side fill setup. Then I send balanced XLR from my mixer direct to the house. -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 15:36:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26295; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:34:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:34:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:32:02 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: RE: bad night, or: instruments Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Loopers-Delightwell since i use no guitars and opt for samplers with live loops from my mics and modular synths i guess i would breakdance dude i am electro besides my waterphone and well i could play the kids that c @annihilist.com wrote: > In a message dated Wed, 28 Jun 2000 1:07:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, magicicada@mindspring.com writes: > So if a cable goes bad, or something in your signal path crashes, or (insert disaster here), what will you do? Sing? It's bound to happen sooner or later... curious, k From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 15:40:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26558; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:38:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:38:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:35:17 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: RE: bad night, or: instruments Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I will jsut take photographs and clap my hands while i play the waterphone Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > > > So if a cable goes bad, or something in your signal path crashes, or (insert disaster here), what will you do? Sing? It's bound to happen sooner or later... Well... we can't all be acoustic musicians! Honestly... computers, movie projectors, espresso machines, are all components in well established commercial venues. It's usually the exception that they fail and destroy a "performance". It's sad when it happens, but fact is... some sounds and experiences are impossible without power and connectivity. If that's truly a good reason for someone to eschew that style of expression, so be it. Don't stray far from acoustic expression. -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 15:40:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26202; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:32:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:32:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:28:39 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: RE: bad night, or: instruments Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA25864 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << funny all i play is knobs what a geek i am>> > So if a cable goes bad, or something in your signal path crashes, or (insert disaster here), what will you do? Sing? It's bound to happen sooner or later... Well... we can't all be acoustic musicians! Honestly... computers, movie projectors, espresso machines, are all components in well established commercial venues. It's usually the exception that they fail and destroy a "performance". It's sad when it happens, but fact is... some sounds and experiences are impossible without power and connectivity. If that's truly a good reason for someone to eschew that style of expression, so be it. Don't stray far from acoustic expression. -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 15:42:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26585; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:39:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:39:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: magicicada@mindspring.com Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:38:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: bad night, or: instruments Sender: magicicada@mindspring.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 170.140.104.69 Resent-Message-ID: <8Js8OC.A.yeG.aQlW5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I think my typing in that last line was great Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com wrote: > Loopers-Delightwell since i use no guitars and opt for samplers with live loops from my mics and modular synths i guess i would breakdance dude i am electro besides my waterphone and well i could play the kids that c @annihilist.com wrote: > In a message dated Wed, 28 Jun 2000 1:07:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, magicicada@mindspring.com writes: > So if a cable goes bad, or something in your signal path crashes, or (insert disaster here), what will you do? Sing? It's bound to happen sooner or later... curious, k From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 15:53:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26971; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:49:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:49:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KB305@aol.com Message-Id: <200006281947.PAA26926@hemlock.violacea.com> Date: Wed Jun 28 15:47:04 2000 Subject: Re: RE: bad night, or: instruments To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated Wed, 28 Jun 2000 3:29:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Mike Biffle" writes: Well... we can't all be acoustic musicians! Honestly... computers, movie projectors, espresso machines, are all components in well established commercial venues. It's usually the exception that they fail and destroy a "performance". It's sad when it happens, but fact is... some sounds and experiences are impossible without power and connectivity. If that's truly a good reason for someone to eschew that style of expression, so be it. Don't stray far from acoustic expression. -Miko >> I couldn't live on a diet of acoustic alone, and I'm not suggesting anyone should. Nor am I suggesting in the least that being solely electric is bad either, no way. I like my devices a lot, whether they are EDP or espresso machine. My point: A $7 cable can fuck up a performance. $7 cables are as important as $X samplers or anything else in the sense that you rely on them. Buying a $10 cable doesn't usually help. Having a spare cable does. Going through my rig every few months and checking, reconnecting, etc. does. I think it's great to 'be electro' or whatever. Just pack spares. Having a plan B has saved me from saying 'sorry' to the audience once or twice. Saw Wire play in Chicago in May. They used to use electronics to the point where the drummer quit, having found himself unneccesary. Now they play guitars (with lots of stompboxes) and drums. The reinterpretation necessary for this made for some interesting versions of songs. reverb = ketchup ketchup is a vegetable therefore reverb is a vegetable k From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 15:57:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27147; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:55:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:55:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <395A5791.BC1A5C97@engin.umich.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:53:16 -0400 From: Darcy Clark Reply-To: darcyc@engin.umich.edu Organization: MSE, Umich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, magicicada@mindspring.com Subject: waterphones and other cool instruments References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I was going to ask what a waterphone was, but found a webpage describing one : http://www.spacebeat.com/waterphone/ must be a great instrument to loop I would think.....cool Speaking of interesting instruments - has anyone heard or seen the Blue Man Group do their thing - I saw them in NYC recently and they had a 3-piece with a zither playing getting some great sounds and quite possibly using looping also. It looked like it was split into chordal and lead zones. It was dark and the band was hard to see, but it appeared that the zither player was setting up chordal-type sustaining sounds on one zone of the instrument and playing lead-type stuff on a different zone. Anyway, I would be interested in hearing about other cool electric or acoustic instruments that are interesting sounding (and maybe suitable for loopy type stuff). Darcy magicicada@mindspring.com wrote: > > Loopers-Delightwell since i use no guitars and opt for samplers with live loops from my mics and modular synths > > i guess i would breakdance > dude i am electro besides my waterphone and well i could play the kids that > c > > @annihilist.com wrote: > > In a message dated Wed, 28 Jun 2000 1:07:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, magicicada@mindspring.com writes: > > > > So if a cable goes bad, or something in your signal path crashes, or (insert disaster here), what will you do? Sing? It's bound to happen sooner or later... > > curious, > > k -- --------------------------------------------------- Ph: (734) 764 3377 Email: darcyc@engin.umich.edu URL: http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ --------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 16:09:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27309; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:59:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:59:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:56:49 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: RE: bad night, or: instruments Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA27186 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I couldn't live on a diet of acoustic alone, and I'm not suggesting anyone should. Nor am I suggesting in the least that being solely electric is bad either, no way. I like my devices a lot, whether they are EDP or espresso machine. Me too... point taken. > Buying a $10 cable doesn't usually help. Having a spare cable does. Going through my rig every few months and checking, reconnecting, etc. does. Clean house often... > I think it's great to 'be electro' or whatever. Just pack spares. Having a plan B has saved me from saying 'sorry' to the audience once or twice. Agreed... having to say "No Show" is a real drag... can't say I've ever had it get that drastic due to equipment. I've certainly played through gear I never thought I would when problems did occur though. > Saw Wire play in Chicago in May. They used to use electronics to the point where the drummer quit, having found himself unneccesary. Now they play guitars (with lots of stompboxes) and drums. The reinterpretation necessary for this made for some interesting versions of songs. This concept keeps me coming back to (relative) simplicity... It's revealing how sometimes performance, sound and arrangements benefit from simpler more spare re-interpretation. -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 16:15:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27512; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:14:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:14:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: RE: bad night, or: instruments Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:06:37 -0500 Message-ID: <01bfe144$bf6423e0$37ce580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: KB305@aol.com >Buying a $10 cable doesn't usually help. Having a spare cable does. Going through my rig every few months and checking, reconnecting, etc. does. > Very well said, I like others go through stages of upgrading and forgetting what is holding up the tower, until something goes wrong. Thanks for the reminder! PedrOOrdeP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 16:25:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27754; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:23:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:23:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Pedro Felix" To: Subject: Re: waterphones and other cool instruments Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:15:48 -0500 Message-ID: <01bfe146$07b92e00$37ce580c@Wroswick.uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: Darcy Clark >Speaking of interesting instruments - has anyone heard or seen the Blue >Man Group do their thing - I saw them in NYC recently and they had a I saw then maybe four years ago, they weren't looping much then, i'd better catch them again. >Anyway, I would be interested in hearing about other cool electric or >acoustic instruments that are interesting sounding (and maybe suitable >for loopy type stuff). i've taken to laying a foundation loop with a kalimba (thumb piano), placing a DiMarzio acosutic pickup on its face, also occasionally howling into its soundhole. There is a neat little place down on 4th Street that has tons of African and Asian musical goodies where I scored same,...hmmm still haven't tried looping my waterstick. PedrOOrdeP From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 16:26:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27751; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:23:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:23:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:27:08 -0700 Subject: Re: WOW! From: "Kevin" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000628202115.CYHV18210.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.6.222.153]> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Both wrong... Actually EDP stands for: "excellent design practiced" but also "extremely delayed production," and "expect defective product." Best, The Roctologists ---------- >From: Claude voit >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: WOW! >Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000, 3:48 PM > > > > michael >> >>p.s.........whats an EDP? >> > >> >EDP stands for "electronic data processing", an old computer term. > > Expert > Digital > Penis > > I have 2 > > Claude > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 16:45:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28107; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:42:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:42:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:39:57 EDT Subject: Re: bad night To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 146 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi there, In a message dated 06/28/00 7:43:02 AM, tquincy@sayhhi.com writes: >Any nightmares you could share and how you handled the situation would >be enjoyable and perhaps helpful. Well, my very worst musical nightmares seem to happen mostly in broad daylight. About once every decade or so I agree to do an outdoor gig assuming (always mistakenly) that whoever is doing the organizing (and providing PA/stage etc.) will also be sensible enouh to provide some shade for the performance area as well. Summertime heat is murder on gear and murder on the nerves in my experience. In direct sunshine you can't see LED patch indicators (and if they're LCD then they go blank when they get hot anyway). Heat sensitive gear like processors (and especially EDPs) in a rack full of other stuff that's ventilated well enough for "normal" use in an indoor setting starts to go haywire after only a few minutes into the set on a hot day. My most memorable catastrophe of this sort was just a few weeks ago at my employer's company picnic (I work as a graphic designer at a music gear catalog). Several employees (and their groups) were playing sets throughout the day, and (as one might expect) we had a pretty top notch PA setup. But nobody bothered to check the electrical system capabilities at the little public park amphitheater where the thing was being held. When temperatures began to rise as the day progressed we began to have power outages onstage about every five or ten minutes (this in addition to all the other outdoor maladies mentione above). My trio was the last on the schedule and had the worst time of all. I play MIDI guitar and use a couple EDPs and a vortex (along with several other odd processing gizmos) to do the thing that I do. Every time the power went out we lost what ever loops were playing. And when the power came back on my synths, multiprocessors and samplers all rebooted. We tried valiantly at first to "play through" these occurances as though nothing major happened. But after about the 4th or 5th time the spirit was gone and would not be re-invoked. In the end, I just had to look up and gesture quizically skywards and figure that sombody up there was telling me to turn it down (or off). The audience (though very supportive and sympathetic) seemed to understand my jesture as well. But, all the same, that's an experience that I don't plan on repeating again. T.Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 16:54:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28359; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:52:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:52:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4495C77AB577D31199120008C756D0C4130649@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: bad night Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:49:29 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Summertime heat is murder on gear and murder on the nerves in my experience. In direct sunshine ** this reminds me that i played at the big sur experimental music fest - - very hot that weekend, guy had the neck on his upright bass re-crack due to the heat on stage. what do you do then? yodel? so electric gear ain't the only problem . . . stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 16:59:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28433; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:54:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:54:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:52:19 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: bad night Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com once, we brought our whole rig down from where I lived (N of Manhattan) and as we set up I realized that I had forgotten to bring the box with the cables in it... luckily, some friends of ours ("The Pan") were walking by and we dragooned them to play their guitars and sing while I took a $60 taxi ride up and back to get the cables. OK, one more. this was pretty funny really. we were playing a song of mine and I opened my mouth to sing and I heard *my* voice coming through the PA... but I hadn't started singing yet. I looked at my partner in crime in panic and for a few seconds he couldn't figure out what was wrong, then he realized my mouth wasn't moving. Boy was that freaky. It took me a while to figure out what it was... /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 16:59:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28611; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:57:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:57:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000628205518.14089.qmail@web109.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:55:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Wolfe Reply-To: seanw@interport.net Subject: Gear setup suggestions To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1681692777-962225718=:12098" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --0-1681692777-962225718=:12098 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm loving this list, and have been lurking for the better part of a month or so. A quick bit about me, why I'm here, and a call for help. I'm a vocalist and didgeridoo player. I'm not a musician (yet...), but I do have an "ear" and thanks to the wonders of technology, am finding I can compose sound layers on the fly. I'm ready to start buying my own gear, and am wondering what you more knowledgable fellows would recommend as an initial set up. My plan is to practice in preparation for doing live sampling and performance of vocals, body percussion, and didge loops in a small club environment. The didge has it's own miking issues, which I won't get into here. I would like to know what some of you would throw together as an equipment list. I'm looking for bargains and performance, not perfection. I would like to be able to record as few as 4-5 tracks, and upwards of....I don't know. Are 10-16 tracks too much to ask as an upward limit? I would like to know your favorite brand of mid-priced performance vocal mikes. I would like to know if any of you have experience in miking internal body sounds, such as throat mikes for glottal stops/back beats, or similar. Finally, and this is perhaps the most appropriate for the list, what you all would recommend as a looping device. I'm watching the performances of Keller Williams, Dr. Didg and others for live sampling ideas, but I would certainly enjoy hearing the collective wisdom of the list before I go out and start spending money. Sean Wolfe NYC Didge -- Sean Wolfe NYC --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! --0-1681692777-962225718=:12098 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I'm loving this list, and have been lurking for the better part of a month or so.

A quick bit about me, why I'm here, and a call for help.

I'm a vocalist and didgeridoo player.  I'm not a musician (yet...), but I do have an "ear" and thanks to the wonders of technology, am finding I can compose sound layers on the fly.

I'm ready to start buying my own gear, and am wondering what you more knowledgable fellows would recommend as an initial set up.

My plan is to practice in preparation for doing live sampling and performance of vocals, body percussion, and didge loops in a small club environment.

The didge has it's own miking issues, which I won't get into here.

I would like to know what some of you would throw together as an equipment list.  I'm looking for bargains and performance, not perfection.

I would like to be able to record as few as 4-5 tracks, and upwards of....I don't know.  Are 10-16 tracks too much to ask as an upward limit?

I would like to know your favorite brand of mid-priced performance vocal mikes.

I would like to know if any of you have experience in miking internal body sounds, such as throat mikes for glottal stops/back beats, or similar.

Finally, and this is perhaps the most appropriate for the list, what you all would recommend as a looping device.  I'm watching the performances of Keller Williams, Dr. Didg and others for live sampling ideas, but I would certainly enjoy hearing the collective wisdom of the list before I go out and start spending money.

Sean Wolfe

NYC Didge

 



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Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! --0-1681692777-962225718=:12098-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 17:01:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28274; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:49:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:49:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <73.48d965b.268bbe58@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:47:20 EDT Subject: Re: bad night, or: instruments To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -maybe it would be a good idea to have some sort of fail-safe 'emergency' backup. I have a loaded 16 space rack and my sound relies a great deal on looping and vortex related abuses; but should something in the system trip me up I just send the line out of my preamp into my Didgitech RDS7.6 (which is outside my rack) and into an Alesis Nanoverb in the back straight into my poweramp. (...this is where you discover if it's your inst. cable or not!) One of the coolest gig experiences I've had was watching Gavin Friday in concert. Gavins band relies on a great deal of processing for shows (I think the keyboard rack stretched to the ceiling!) but they were having problems with the power all night. Anyway, at one point all the power to the stage cutout. Without missing a beat, Gavin sat on the edge of the stage with his megaphone to sing, the keyboard player picked up his accordion, and the horn player kept playing-finishing the song with little bravado from them but a roar of excitement from the crowd. That was cool! -and to finish this long message let me point out to all the unfortunate loopers out there that on two of the four times I've seen David Torn his sound cut out on him completely - leaving him scratching his head and twiddling knobs until his sound would return a minute or so later with a great and musical whooosh of sound. See gang, it can even happen to the master looper himself so it can happen to you too. Preparation is the key! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 17:40:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29147; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:38:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:38:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <395A00EB.39C9@altruistmusic.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:43:07 +0100 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@altruistmusic.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mark.francombe@mogul.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loopers radio station. References: <3959DCA7.779AAC20@mogul.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com O Mark, Thanks for stepping back into the fray in a more magnanimous frame of mind. mark red wrote: > Is it that people can't take critisism or that the wording of my initial > was a tad crass (which offended everyones sensitive musicians ears)? In my case, it's the fact that I didn't see any evidence whatsoever that you had actually listened to my track! I don't mind hearing criticism -- in fact I *really like* to hear what people think of my music, good or bad. But when you make a post stating that everything on the LD radio station sounds like either a broken CD player or (at best) a Fripp or Torn imitation, I have to doubt if you even gave all of the material a listen. > The band I used to play with recieved pages and pages of critisism both > constructive and ferociously personal (my favorite was from one review > in the NME, which stated that "...the Cranes sound like a baby locked in > a toolbox"!!!) My favorite of mine thus far was the magazine music editor who emailed me "about your band, The Disruption Theory." He also accidentally (?) sent an email to me which was intended for one of the other workers at his magazine, in which he suggested that "Disruption Theory bite [sic] dog balls." So don't worry, Mark, I've heard worse! > I know It can hurt, but you learn to live with it and > whats more you can start to analyse what you do from a different > perspective. Well again, ifÊI hear an obviously informed opinion from someone who's clearly checked out my material, that's not a problem. If I'm to judge from your post, then you don't (yet) fall into that category. > I thought I was on topic, and was expecting discussion to follow ABOUT > THE MUSIC on the radio site... I think there are more productive ways to foster discussion, but I would *love* to see more discussion about *LOOPING* on this list. I'm also a bit dismayed that I seem to be the only person on LD radio to personally step up and defend their music... An ironic thing is that my computer is *so* ancient that I can't even play mp3 or RealAudio files, so I have no idea what any of the other LD radio station tracks sound like. I might agree with your opinion about some of the tracks if I could actually hear them. Even then, though, I think there's a right and a wrong way to try and spur discussion on a list, and making foul-tempered, unspecific, indistinct criticism is not my preferred modus operandi. But I'll tell you what, Mark, I'd be delighted to hear anything you have to say about my music, be it the track on LD Radio or anything on my sounds page at http://www.altruistmusic.com/sounds/ be it good, bad, or indifferent. I make no excuses, apologies, or qualifications: it is what it is, and I stand behind it. Whatever you think, though, please tell me *why* you think it! Dazrite, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 17:48:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29363; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:47:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:47:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <09cb01bfe149$f2512690$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: Re: Gear setup suggestions Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:43:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <6qJ5kD.A.vJH.AHnW5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well howdy, Sean! Good to see you here! I'm on the Mills didj list as well, and Tom Lambrecht is on both, too. At least I think he's still here. (Tom? Hello?) And maybe a few others. >I would like to be able to record as few as 4-5 tracks, and upwards of....I don't know. Are 10-16 tracks too much to ask as an upward limit? Most loopers (the boxes, not the people) don't deal in "tracks" in the sense of multi-track recorders. Rather than adding layers via separate tracks, it's like you overdub onto the same track. The effect is much the same but you don't have separate volume control over each part On the plus side, you can typically add as many layers as you want. On the minus side, you can't selectively remove an arbitrary layer. >From there, the different loopers diverge in features. There are several very good loopers out there. If you haven't already, I'd look at the website under "Tools of the Trade" http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/tools.html ). I found it very useful when I bought my first looper. Especially if you can find and read a manual before buying. BTW: Didjs were made for looping! Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 17:51:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29520; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:50:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:50:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:49:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: "looper's delight" Subject: bad nights, loose whiskey... In-Reply-To: <73.48d965b.268bbe58@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <-tyMzB.A.mMH.wLnW5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yes. a general swapping of "worsts" won't ever make those nights go away, but at least they make you feel that you're not alone... so here's mine. last spring tono-bungay was playing at the insideous spectacle fest. in philly. we were in the hot spot of the sat. night show, 11:00, right before bevis frond. i had been anticipating this show for months. except that not a damn thing in my hoplessly convoluted setup would cooperate, and the totally packed house was treated to 25 minutes of me on my knees, ripping the whole thing apart and attempting to reconfigure it on the fly (which never flew) and in the process having a very public, total meltdown. i guess, in the end, if you're gonna have a nervous breakdown - it should at least be sold out. anyway - in the end bob b. & i swapped sides of the stage - i just moved over to his rig. (he can REALLY play & doesn't need to rely on gizmos) and i used his (working) setup and the 3 fx pedals he employs (one of which, an old digitech 8 second sampler i was not able to figure out in the time we had left for our set.) talk about wanting to crawl into a hole.... Nick Saloman was very nice about it as we were hustling our shit off the stage ("dun takkit s'bud, man, i'appens t'walluv us!") then the b. frond proceeded to take over, & totally destroy t.- b. or so i thought. but i heard later that someone called twisted village a short time later & ordered a copy of _wunderkammer_ based upon "this great tono-bungay show i saw in philly the other night" hmmm... another person has told me since then that he totally enjoyed that set, that he just assumed it was, like, performance art or something. hmmm-mmm.... moral of story - i should not have killed myself over what felt like an eternal embarrasment, and my death was totally in vain. whoops! rip, rbrt ps - the problem was a compound-failure. a bad cable in one part of the chain, and a funky input on a pedal somewhere else. watch out for compound failures. they are just about impossible to diagnose outside of a clean room. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 18:07:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29908; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:06:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:06:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000628180428.007ad730@panther.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:04:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: Re: bad nights, loose whiskey... In-Reply-To: References: <73.48d965b.268bbe58@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 05:49 PM 6/28/00 -0400, you wrote: > >yes. > >a general swapping of "worsts" won't ever >make those nights go away, but at least they >make you feel that you're not alone... my worst outdoor gig experience was due to the absence of the one thing i depend on more than anything else: my drummer (taken violently ill that morning). m From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 19:20:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30225; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:18:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:18:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:16:11 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: bad nights, loose whiskey... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA30175 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > but i heard later that someone called twisted village a short time later & ordered a copy of _wunderkammer_ based upon "this great tono-bungay show i saw in philly the other night" hmm... I have similar reflections... Many times I've had a tough night (or the entire band had a tough night) and really thought it was terrible. Only to have GREAT audience feedback at the end... people waxing on about the performance, tones... on and on. And my reflection is that people either really like things RAW, or there was some form of catharsis and our angst helped them connect somehow. Emotions fly under stress like that and I believe the audience picks up on it and maybe feels it's a form of honesty... So just the raw experience, whatever the quality, if it's the real deal, will get results. My 2 cents... -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 19:25:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30396; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:24:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:24:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:23:30 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: bad nights, loose whiskey... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > but i heard later that someone called twisted village a short >time later & ordered a copy of _wunderkammer_ based upon "this great >tono-bungay show i saw in philly the other night" hmm... people are terrible this way. sometimes you do a great show and they snore. sometimes you suck and they love it. I compare it to buying a kid an expensive toy and they play with the box... /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 20:00:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30638; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:58:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:58:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20000622224027.46220.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:56:25 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: possible small gig for New York loopers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1IO6nC.A.MeH.sCpW5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com here's the skinny on these gigs. I got a lot of very interesting responses from the mailing list and I have some people perhaps lined up for some short gigs... On the downside, most of the nights got snacked out from underneath me and I ended up with 3 2-hour sets till the end of the summer, most of which are already promised out... however, if these go well there will be more, I am led to believe. I *believe* that I responded to all of you who answered and if I dropped the ball, don't hesitate to send me more email. (I am getting about 300 pieces of email a day! -- I have a decent filing system but still). Best, /t (oh, and I ordered the looper's vol ii collection so I'll have a better idea of what some of you sound like!) ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 20:27:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30889; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:26:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:26:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601bfe160$658fdbe0$4823dacf@z5k2e6> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: bad nights, loose whiskey... Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:24:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I can only refer with a smile to a song by Ray Davies/Kinks, "Look a Little on the Sunny Side", the lyrics of which are at http://kinks.it.rit.edu/cgi-bin/MusicSearch.cgi?song=regular/showbiz/song-lo okalittle, and more than appropriate. Trust me, go have a look. Says it all as far as I'm concerned... :) Stephen Goodman * The Loop of the Week! EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 4:23 PM Subject: Re: bad nights, loose whiskey... > > > but i heard later that someone called twisted village a short > >time later & ordered a copy of _wunderkammer_ based upon "this great > >tono-bungay show i saw in philly the other night" hmm... > > people are terrible this way. sometimes you do a great show and they > snore. sometimes > you suck and they love it. > > I compare it to buying a kid an expensive toy and they play with the box... > > /t > > > ...electronic a capella madness ......... > ...extreme internet radio ... > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 20:30:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31022; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:28:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:28:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000628203147.007b93a0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:31:47 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: loopers radio station. In-Reply-To: <000e01bfe0f3$524bb030$51cec22b@camb.scee.sony.co.uk> References: <3959DCA7.779AAC20@mogul.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So, does the "Where on the toolbox would be the best place to put a piezo?" thread begin here? Tim At 12:23 PM 6/28/00 +0100, you wrote: >>"...the Cranes sound like a baby locked in >> a toolbox"!!!) > >... I thought the baby in toolbox comment was a good thing! The world needs >more music like a baby in a toolbox. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 20:36:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31286; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:35:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:35:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000628203621.007b4e20@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:36:21 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: WOW! In-Reply-To: <395A80B5.15434C5F@vtx.ch> References: <08bf01bfe108$cc752340$1fab82cc@testserver.mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 03:48 PM 6/28/00 -0700, you wrote: > > >michael >> >>p.s.........whats an EDP? In a class I took last year on teaching students with special needs, the course textbook used EDP to stand for "Emotionally Disturbed Person"... Hmmmm... on- or off-topic? What were the authors trying to say about those of us of the looping persuasion? Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 20:37:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31305; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:35:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:35:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:32:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: bad night Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I wrote: >we were playing a song of mine and I opened my mouth to sing >and I heard *my* voice coming through the PA... but I hadn't started >singing yet. I looked at my partner in crime in panic and for a few >seconds he couldn't figure out what was wrong, then he realized >my mouth wasn't moving. > >Boy was that freaky. It took me a while to figure out what it was... and none of you seem to care what it was? /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 20:41:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31640; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:40:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:40:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002c01bfe162$25ba3c70$15011eac@mlameyer02> From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: References: Subject: Re: bad night Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:37:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wait a sec . . . you're baiting us. Was it supposed to work like a "Knock, knock" joke? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 8:32 PM Subject: Re: bad night > I wrote: > > >we were playing a song of mine and I opened my mouth to sing > >and I heard *my* voice coming through the PA... but I hadn't started > >singing yet. I looked at my partner in crime in panic and for a few > >seconds he couldn't figure out what was wrong, then he realized > >my mouth wasn't moving. > > > >Boy was that freaky. It took me a while to figure out what it was... > > and none of you seem to care what it was? > > /t > > > ...electronic a capella madness ......... > ...extreme internet radio ... > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 8:32 PM Subject: Re: bad night > I wrote: > > >we were playing a song of mine and I opened my mouth to sing > >and I heard *my* voice coming through the PA... but I hadn't started > >singing yet. I looked at my partner in crime in panic and for a few > >seconds he couldn't figure out what was wrong, then he realized > >my mouth wasn't moving. > > > >Boy was that freaky. It took me a while to figure out what it was... > > and none of you seem to care what it was? > > /t > > > ...electronic a capella madness ......... > ...extreme internet radio ... > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 20:47:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31828; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:46:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:46:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:48:14 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: bad night To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <012701bfe163$b53e3cb0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com allright, i'll play straight man. what it was? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 7:32 PM Subject: Re: bad night > I wrote: > > >we were playing a song of mine and I opened my mouth to sing > >and I heard *my* voice coming through the PA... but I hadn't started > >singing yet. I looked at my partner in crime in panic and for a few > >seconds he couldn't figure out what was wrong, then he realized > >my mouth wasn't moving. > > > >Boy was that freaky. It took me a while to figure out what it was... > > and none of you seem to care what it was? > > /t > > > ....electronic a capella madness ......... > ....extreme internet radio ... > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 20:49:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31962; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:48:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:48:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Porp61@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:47:33 EDT Subject: Where on the toolbox would be the best place to put a piezo? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How about the bottom of the toolbox,the they could act as fancy feet for it too! "Where on the toolbox would be the best place to put a piezo?" thread begin here? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 21:03:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32260; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:01:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:01:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000628210400.007c7410@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:04:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: bad night In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 04:52 PM 6/28/00 -0400, Tom Ritchford wrote: >Boy was that freaky. It took me a while to figure out what it was... OK, I give up. What was it? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 21:19:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32457; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:18:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:18:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <012701bfe163$b53e3cb0$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <012701bfe163$b53e3cb0$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:16:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: bad night Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >what it was? yes, I'm evil! evil! I tell you! > > I wrote: > > > > >we were playing a song of mine and I opened my mouth to sing > > >and I heard *my* voice coming through the PA... but I hadn't started > > >singing yet. I looked at my partner in crime in panic and for a few > > >seconds he couldn't figure out what was wrong, then he realized > > >my mouth wasn't moving. > > > > > >Boy was that freaky. It took me a while to figure out what it was... > > > > and none of you seem to care what it was? we had a video tape with images that were loosely synched to the music. and we had for some reason hooked the audio output of the VCR to the mixer and raised that channel. and we had recorded a scratch track of the cut onto the audio track of the VCR so we could work with the images. and we had played with the tape enough that we were pretty well synched up (informally) so the lyrics were pretty well right on. you had better believe that I was pretty wigged out by this... it's VERY weird to hear your voice singing in a show when you aren't singing... sorry. you all hate me now, right? /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 21:25:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32624; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:23:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:23:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:20:27 EDT Subject: Re: bad night To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/28/00 7:41:18 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, KILLINFO@aol.com writes: << In the end, I just had to look up and gesture quizically skywards and figure that sombody up there was telling me to turn it down (or off). >> i feel like this all the time!...............:)................michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 21:44:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00357; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:43:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:43:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1e.73e6bd7.268c0337@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:41:11 EDT Subject: a manifesto perhaps? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/28/00 8:36:12 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, altruist@altruistmusic.com writes: << http://www.altruistmusic.com/sounds/ be it good, bad, or indifferent. I make no excuses, apologies, or qualifications: it is what it is, and I stand behind it. Whatever you think, though, please tell me *why* you think it! Dazrite, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com >> didnt someone ask last week if there was a looper manifesto?.........i think andre nailed it.........but thats a bit too much to fit on the LD tea-shirt............:)........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 22:03:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00550; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:02:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:02:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001e01bfe16d$a459d9e0$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> From: "Bob Campbell" To: References: <1e.73e6bd7.268c0337@aol.com> Subject: Seattle looping workshop last weekend Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:59:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Well, I missed it, but apparently a 'guitar looping seminar' was given by one James Rotondi this last weekend in Seattle at the grand opening of the "Experience Music Project" (EMP). Anybody happen to catch this workshop? Or perhaps this gentleman is on the list? Love to hear what went down. ... and I can't help but wonder - does 'Rotondi' mean 'looper' in some language? could fool me :) For those who haven't heard, the EMP is a gazillion-buck mulitmedia experiential 'museum' dedicated to the celebration of music, especially rock and roll and other contemporary American forms. (e.g. : See a completely computer generated James Brown set while sitting in a motion simulator platform). Brainchild of local billionaire Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen. Haven't checked it out yet, but it is getting good local press.Housed in the absolutely wackiest piece of architecture ever constructed, a major new Seattle conversation piece. -Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 22:06:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00708; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:05:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:05:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:03:31 EDT Subject: list members music To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: <_kl_b.A.ZK.V6qW5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/28/00 10:56:57 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, tom@swirly.com writes: << (oh, and I ordered the looper's vol ii collection so I'll have a better idea of what some of you sound like!) >> with all this talk of "music", i would like to remind everyone about www.loopxchange.com .........mp3s of our last 2 efforts........and some info on the CT-COLLECTIVE ...........thanks for your time and interest................michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 22:11:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00892; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:09:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:09:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:07:08 EDT Subject: Re: bad night To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/28/00 11:32:55 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, tom@swirly.com writes: << and none of you seem to care what it was? >> i cared, but thought i was talkin too much.........so i was waitin to see if anyone else cared..........what was it?............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 22:16:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01058; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:14:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:14:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:12:51 -0700 Subject: Okay, That One Guy wins: From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com http://www.bassplayer.com/current/oneguy.shtml TH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jun 28 23:36:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01320; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:34:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:34:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Echophazer@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:31:56 EDT Subject: Re: Where on the toolbox would be the best place to put a piezo? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: <5AlJZ.A.FU.NNsW5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Are you using the peizo as drum module trigger? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 02:02:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01783; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 02:01:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 02:01:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:07:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mark Subject: Re: list (MY!) members music Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey, I tried to put some of my loop stuff on mp3.com and I was turned away due to sample heavy content (it's got a pretty long sample from the movie 1984) Is there a more "Negitiveland friendly" place to publicly put such work? Right now they reside at http://cdm.sfia.edu/users/mark/mp3/1.mp3 http://cdm.sfia.edu/users/mark/mp3/2.mp3 http://cdm.sfia.edu/users/mark/mp3/3.mp3 http://cdm.sfia.edu/users/mark/mp3/4.mp3 http://cdm.sfia.edu/users/mark/mp3/5.mp3 It's stuff done by myself (instrumentation and gadgets) and Gary Hesse (samples) under the guise "Zerocrossing" which has been our name for a long time, though I now find another loop based group with the same name. (they're really good! Doh!) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 02:16:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01965; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 02:14:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 02:14:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:51:59 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Seattle looping workshop last weekend In-reply-to: <001e01bfe16d$a459d9e0$6601a8c0@nwlink.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <1e.73e6bd7.268c0337@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 6:59 PM -0700 6/28/00, Bob Campbell wrote: >Well, I missed it, but apparently a 'guitar looping seminar' was given by >one James Rotondi this last weekend in Seattle at the grand opening of the >"Experience Music Project" (EMP). Anybody happen to catch this workshop? >Or perhaps this gentleman is on the list? Love to hear what went down. > >... and I can't help but wonder - does 'Rotondi' mean 'looper' in some >language? could fool me :) roto isn't on the list, although he emailed me a week or so ago asking a variety of echoplex questions before his seminar. i told him he should plug it on the list, but i guess he didn't have time. he also is writing some looping article for harmony-central. you may remember him as a former staff writer for guitar player for many years. in fact, he wrote the GP echoplex review long ago which is where I first ran into him. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 03:23:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02261; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 03:22:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 03:22:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <395AF7C2.6255A98E@mogul.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:16:18 +0200 From: mark red Reply-To: mark.francombe@mogul.com Organization: mogul.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loopers radio station. References: <3959DCA7.779AAC20@mogul.com> <3.0.5.32.20000628203147.007b93a0@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6KMAXD.A.zi.IjvW5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > So, does the "Where on the toolbox would be the best place to put a piezo?" > thread begin here? > > Tim > > At 12:23 PM 6/28/00 +0100, you wrote: > >>"...the Cranes sound like a baby locked in > >> a toolbox"!!!) After much experimentation we found that the best place for the piezo was tucked neatly inside the waist of the babies diaper, thus muffling some of the unwanted metallic higher frequencies from the toolbox, but close enough to achieve a recording of some very interesting sub bass frequencies emenating from the child... Mark red .......mogul.com°................................................... mogul.com > mark francombe red - multimedia designer drammensveien 134 NO-0277 oslo norway tel +47 - 24 11 43 00 direct tel +47 - 24 11 45 15 mobil +47 - 98 66 14 56 mark.francombe@mogul.com ........................................................................... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 03:30:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02488; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 03:29:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 03:29:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:19:36 -0700 From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: list (MY!) members music In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:07 PM -0700 6/28/00, Mark wrote: >I tried to put some of my loop stuff on mp3.com and I was turned away due >to sample heavy content (it's got a pretty long sample from the movie 1984) >Is there a more "Negitiveland friendly" place to publicly put such work? >Right now they reside at If you have them on your own website, why do you need mp3.com? What is it they offer that you can't do yourself? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 04:39:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02960; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:37:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:37:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000301bfe19c$afc479a0$a2d99b3e@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: <20000627120754.23245.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: OT: gadget Labs Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:04:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hallo Dan, what do you mean by" bundled Logic Audio" is it complicated? Many people swear by it. Luis > I have an ISIS. It works fine although I'm not crazy > about the bundled Logic Audio software. > Dan Sumner > > --- Phaedebk@aol.com wrote: > > Hola Luis, > > > > Mucho gusto! Hey man, the abbreviations are: > > OS: Operating System (the interface betwixt the > > hardware and the User for > > commands to be sent to the various hardware of the > > computer, in this case.) > > OSR: Original Service Release (Actually, it is OEM > > SR but shortened down to > > OSR, this is the type of release specifically on > > Windows 95 and 98 for > > different computer companies out there, such as > > Compaq, Dell, Sony, etc...) > > NIC´s: Network Interface Card (plural with the 's) > > RAS: Remote Access Service (great stuff, and pretty > > powerful, though not as > > happening as a telnet session, but nearly there...) > > NT: New Technology (though there are a few of us > > who poke a little fun at > > it, and will happily refer to this OS version of > > Windows as "Nice Try." > > Typically, when you see someone referring to "NT" > > they're referring to > > version 4.0.) > > HDD: Hard Disk Drive [your hard drive of your > > computer, the best types to > > snag for music are going to be SCSI (Small Computer > > Standard Interface) II UW > > or IIIUW (Ultra Wide) and be A/V (Audio/Video) this > > way you'll have a cleaner > > media for the OS and the software you're using.] > > > > Haven't checked out the ISIS card, but I've seen > > them about in different > > Guitar Center stores... You may want to try > > checking out > > http://www.wmcworld.com (Chuck Levin's) as they've > > been very kind to me as > > far as researching different pieces of equipment out > > there. > > > > Ja, > > > > LeeohkinoWired. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 11:48:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04092; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:46:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:46:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000628205518.14089.qmail@web109.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:48:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: Re: Gear setup suggestions Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I would like to know your favorite brand of mid-priced performance vocal >mikes. I've been having a great time with my CAD Equitek E-100. They have come down in price into about the $250 range, and the sound, to me (after using inexpensive cardioids) is crisp, full, and clear. It's a phantom powered mike, but runs off of it's internal batteries if not hooked up to phantom power, so you can use it with a four-track or PA without phantom, etc. I'm a novice at mics and miking techniques, and have not used this mic live, but for studio recording and sample capturing, it's very nice. oh, and it's cool looking. seeya, rich ps. we did use it this week to tape a rehearsal of my current soundscape project with fellow list member Cliff. Hi Cliff! We just put the mike up in the room,through the PA for power and to get the signal to 1/4", and then to Cliff's MiniDisc. Cliff can let you know how it sounds! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 12:20:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04336; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:18:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:18:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:16:00 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: list members music Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA04285 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm not so sure this link is working anymore... I'm unable to get anything. Our links on the CT-Collective are dead as well. Damn! Morgan? Is this a summer problem which will be fixed when you return to school? Or can it be corrected now? Thanks, -Miko >>> Nemoguitt@aol.com 06/28 7:04 PM >>> In a message dated 6/28/00 10:56:57 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, tom@swirly.com writes: << (oh, and I ordered the looper's vol ii collection so I'll have a better idea of what some of you sound like!) >> with all this talk of "music", i would like to remind everyone about www.loopxchange.com .........mp3s of our last 2 efforts........and some info on the CT-COLLECTIVE ...........thanks for your time and interest................michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 13:16:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04756; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:14:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:14:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <395B7579.D5F518D0@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:12:42 -0600 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: sine@zerocrossing.net Organization: Zerocrossing Multimedia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: If an mp3 sits on an un-hit website, does it make a sound? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Two things. Community and exposure. mp3.com spends a shitload of cash to put itself in the public eye, and while I'm not looking to be a rockstar, it would be nice to have people here what I'm doing. If an mp3 sits on an un-hit website, does it make a sound? Kim Flint wrote: > At 11:07 PM -0700 6/28/00, Mark wrote: > >I tried to put some of my loop stuff on mp3.com and I was turned away due > >to sample heavy content (it's got a pretty long sample from the movie 1984) > >Is there a more "Negitiveland friendly" place to publicly put such work? > >Right now they reside at > > If you have them on your own website, why do you need mp3.com? What is it > they offer that you can't do yourself? > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 13:57:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05119; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:56:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:56:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:53:14 -0700 Subject: Roto looping From: Tiktok To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I saw James Rotondi with The Grassy Knoll (highly recommended) a few years ago. He was getting a lot of mileage out of a Boomerang. After the show I asked him if he'd tried the EDP and he said he'd owned one for a while, but found it too deep for his needs. TH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 14:52:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05512; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:50:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:50:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:48:37 EDT Subject: Re: list members music To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 00-06-29 12:17:12 EDT, you write: << I'm not so sure this link is working anymore.. >> its up.......just went there............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 15:19:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05740; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:17:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:17:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000629191637.15018.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.247.186.99] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: list (MY!) members music Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:16:37 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just posted a bunch of music to IUMA.com. They seem a little bit friendlier than mp3.com. In addition, they have already accepted 3 songs that mp3.com rejected. They also let you stream artists. Matt Davignon p.s. You could also try: besonic.com soundclick.com launch.com garageband.com and a bunch of others I don't remember. >From: Mark >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: list (MY!) members music >Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:07:16 -0700 > >Hey, > >I tried to put some of my loop stuff on mp3.com and I was turned away due >to sample heavy content (it's got a pretty long sample from the movie 1984) >Is there a more "Negitiveland friendly" place to publicly put such work? >Right now they reside at http://cdm.sfia.edu/users/mark/mp3/1.mp3 >http://cdm.sfia.edu/users/mark/mp3/2.mp3 >http://cdm.sfia.edu/users/mark/mp3/3.mp3 >http://cdm.sfia.edu/users/mark/mp3/4.mp3 >http://cdm.sfia.edu/users/mark/mp3/5.mp3 It's stuff done by myself >(instrumentation and gadgets) and Gary Hesse (samples) under the guise >"Zerocrossing" which has been our name for a long time, though I now find >another loop based group with the same name. (they're really good! 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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFE1C8.B821B9B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 16:13:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06152; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:05:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:05:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002501bfe205$30270280$53c6c7cf@stevelaptop> From: "Steve Rudolph" To: Subject: Boomerang is loud Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:04:09 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I just picked up a boomerang last week and when I plugged it in, I found it to be very loud. Through adjusting the I/O levels on the back, I found I could get rid of the hiss, but then the until would start clipping. Basically, it looks like I can either have the clip light be constantly on, or deal with a lot of background noise. For any of you with a boomerang, does yours do this too, or do I need to send this baby in as defective? -Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 16:21:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06490; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:20:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:20:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:26:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Boomerang is loud Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I just picked up a boomerang last week and when I plugged it in, I found it >to be very loud. Through adjusting the I/O levels on the back, I found I >could get rid of the hiss, but then the until would start clipping. >Basically, it looks like I can either have the clip light be constantly on, >or deal with a lot of background noise. For any of you with a boomerang, >does yours do this too, or do I need to send this baby in as defective? > >-Steve It's been my experience that the I/O setting on the rang is pretty touchy. I found the spot where it works with my setup and marked it on the back. One of the bad things about the rang is that the input level control gets knocked around almost every time I pack it up. Play around with it and see if you can find the semi-sweet spot where it's not clipping too often and not too noisy. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 16:21:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06336; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:15:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:15:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:22:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: bad night, or: instruments Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Gee, this thread is really creeping me out right now! After 20 or so years of gigging, Saturday is my first EVER solo improv show. And I'm pretty much doing all electronics (Nord Modular, sampler, PC-1600 controller, Vortex/JamMan/LXP-5, and a few sundry noisemakers). I guess if something fails, the audience can be treated to seeing me smash a lot of gear in a fit of rage, hey, it worked for Pete Townshend and Nirvana ;-) >-maybe it would be a good idea to have some sort of fail-safe 'emergency' >backup. I have a loaded 16 space rack and my sound relies a great deal on >looping and vortex related abuses; but should something in the system trip me >up I just send the line out of my preamp into my Didgitech RDS7.6 (which is >outside my rack) and into an Alesis Nanoverb in the back straight into my >poweramp. (...this is where you discover if it's your inst. cable or not!) > One of the coolest gig experiences I've had was watching Gavin Friday in >concert. Gavins band relies on a great deal of processing for shows (I think >the keyboard rack stretched to the ceiling!) but they were having problems >with the power all night. Anyway, at one point all the power to the stage >cutout. Without missing a beat, Gavin sat on the edge of the stage with his >megaphone to sing, the keyboard player picked up his accordion, and the horn >player kept playing-finishing the song with little bravado from them but a >roar of excitement from the crowd. That was cool! >-and to finish this long message let me point out to all the unfortunate >loopers out there that on two of the four times I've seen David Torn his >sound cut out on him completely - leaving him scratching his head and >twiddling knobs until his sound would return a minute or so later with a >great and musical whooosh of sound. See gang, it can even happen to the >master looper himself so it can happen to you too. Preparation is the key! ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 16:21:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06499; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:20:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:20:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <395BB04D.6B1F@hevanet.com.> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:23:41 -0700 From: david auker X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Echoplex cycle question References: <000801bfe203$64dfefc0$0f14a8c0@turinnetworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, I've a Gibson Echoplex set up for 6 loops. When going to the "Next Loop" it seems I arrive at the cycle that was upcoming last time there. Is there any way to always arrive at the 1st cycle, in other words, the beginning of the loop? David From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 16:37:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06906; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:35:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:35:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <065501bfe20a$5ded3400$02b4f9d0@mecasw.com> From: "Ken M" To: References: <1e.73e6bd7.268c0337@aol.com> Subject: OT: in-Ear Monitors? Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:41:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <-_OBsB.A.RrB.WL7W5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi again loopers.. This is a bit off-topic, but it was during a loop session with the band that I noticed the need.. Was wondering if any of you had tried any of the in-ear monitor systems out there. I was looking for one to try to alleviate the tendency my band has of playing "Pump Up the Volume" when I start looping in order to hear themselves in the mix, which leads to a crummy end-result. I've thought about going with a PA / monitor - but since we don't have singers or the like, I thought that perhaps a simple wireless in-ear system would do.. I saw this one: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ex/shop/rec/headphones/0629-125941-1215208106 80609?buy&type=t&q=EAR&linenum=1&csel=EDB&netpid=277500 (The NADY EO3 system) which is priced affordably... The Shure PCM 600 system looks tasty, but is a bit more expensive... Any thoughts or impressions? Ken From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 16:41:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07050; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:38:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:38:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Porp61@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:36:43 EDT Subject: Re: Where on the toolbox would be the best place to put a piezo? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com only as a backup plan..they just make handy alter like feet for the tool box Are you using the peizo as drum module trigger? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 16:55:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07255; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:51:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:51:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F90D9BE3@mail.davitt-hanser.com> From: Todd Quincy To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: in-Ear Monitors? Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:53:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Be brave and cheap and still all at the same time - use stereo headphones. Trust me hear (pun) this look is going to come back!!! (Beck, Waters, etc.) And, when you can afford the elusive, wireless monitor rig you can then offer your headphone set up to the folks up front who want the full effect. Also not to bring up the gear nightmare again but I would think you may experience some problems there. Even some of the pro bands I work with are always bitching about wireless troubles and they're using the best stuff around. Todd Quincy BC Rich, Kustom, D&H tquincy@sayhhi.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken M [SMTP:wgold@mecasw.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 4:41 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: OT: in-Ear Monitors? > > Hi again loopers.. This is a bit off-topic, but it was during a loop > session with the band that I noticed the need.. > > Was wondering if any of you had tried any of the in-ear monitor > systems out > there. I was looking for one to try to alleviate the tendency my band > has > of playing "Pump Up the Volume" when I start looping in order to hear > themselves in the mix, which leads to a crummy end-result. > > I've thought about going with a PA / monitor - but since we don't have > singers or the like, I thought that perhaps a simple wireless in-ear > system > would do.. I saw this one: > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ex/shop/rec/headphones/0629-125941-1215 > 208106 > 80609?buy&type=t&q=EAR&linenum=1&csel=EDB&netpid=277500 > > (The NADY EO3 system) which is priced affordably... The Shure PCM 600 > system > looks tasty, but is a bit more expensive... Any thoughts or > impressions? > > Ken > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 17:05:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07442; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:03:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:03:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Bad-Idea: su; rm -rf / X-Echoplex: Sound on Sound Activated X-Prerequisite-Blasphemy: Invert me under the stars Message-Id: <4.1.20000629145333.00b455d0@63.227.242.56> X-Sender: reverendrob@63.227.242.56 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:56:29 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: list (MY!) members music In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On or around 12:19 AM 6/29/00 -0700, Kim Flint said: >If you have them on your own website, why do you need mp3.com? What is it >they offer that you can't do yourself? They don't offer anything I can't do myself, except for the matter of publicity and draw. I've tried the other music sites, and generally have gotten miniscule response; I've run mp3s on my own server with the same, even with heavy publicity. Nothing tops the exposure I've gotten from mp3.com, especially since I'm consistently in the top 10 for Idaho and get in listeners who would never ever consider my style normally. It also helps I'm #1 in the Experimental/Post Rock genre, but who's bragging? :) 93/156 == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ================================================================= http://www.reverendrob.com : feedback and echo MP3s From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 17:07:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07590; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:06:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:06:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: panix3.panix.com: tonobung owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:03:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "r. dennis" To: "looper's delight" Subject: Re: Boomerang is loud In-Reply-To: <002501bfe205$30270280$53c6c7cf@stevelaptop> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com like anything - mindest thou thy gain staging. it's got that rotart pot AND that trim switch on the back, so you gotta dick around to find the sweet combination of the 2. i feed mine a wild diet of varying levels, it accomodates the full range. if can not achieve satisfaction, you might have to contact mr. nelson (or the place from where you got it) rbrt and hey, we LIKE loud... On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Steve Rudolph wrote: > I just picked up a boomerang last week and when I plugged it in, I found it > to be very loud. Through adjusting the I/O levels on the back, I found I > could get rid of the hiss, but then the until would start clipping. > Basically, it looks like I can either have the clip light be constantly on, > or deal with a lot of background noise. For any of you with a boomerang, > does yours do this too, or do I need to send this baby in as defective? > > -Steve > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 17:12:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07753; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:11:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:11:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: nv-rich@pop3.argotech.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F90D9BE3@mail.davitt-hanser.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:15:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: rich Subject: RE: in-Ear Monitors? Resent-Message-ID: <9SgbZD.A.i4B.Ps7W5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Also not to bring up the gear nightmare again but I would think you may >experience some problems there. Even some of the pro bands I work with >are always bitching about wireless troubles and they're using the best >stuff around. i've also heard this from some folks about the problems with wireless, but for me, i'm more afraid of whose controlling the volume of those in-ear monitors? A good blast from an engineer inexperienced with wireless and in-ear systems could take your musical career down a very short road, don't you think? Or is there some sort of compression/limiting device in the earpiece? If not, i wouldn't put those things in my ears unless it was MY soundman (which to date, i've never had...) or if i was really familiar with the gear/room/etc. On a positive note, i recently had custom molded earplugs made for me, and from what i understand, you can use these same molds to create the earpieces for in-ear monitor systems. They are terribly comfy... seeya, rich From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 17:14:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07905; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:13:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:13:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71943CF10636D311AB370050048154F90D9BE5@mail.davitt-hanser.com> From: Todd Quincy To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: list (MY!) members music Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:14:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I agree. I'm pro mp3 as well. In the month of June I profited more than $450 bucks by having a #1 rock song (top 20 overall). They pay for play. Go to www.openjam.com to see/hear/support me if you can. My loop material is barley visible on 2 tracks. tell me if you can find it. Most of the songs are pop/rock. I will be posting live loops soon and I look forwarded to sharing and getting pro/con responses from the group. Even that Mark guy. Also the bandwidth is free. that's how i got started. Todd Quincy BC Rich, Kustom, D&H tquincy@sayhhi.com > -----Original Message----- > From: the Reverend Rob [SMTP:reverendrob@realm-of-shade.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 4:56 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: list (MY!) members music > > On or around 12:19 AM 6/29/00 -0700, Kim Flint said: > > >If you have them on your own website, why do you need mp3.com? What > is it > >they offer that you can't do yourself? > > They don't offer anything I can't do myself, except for the matter of > publicity and draw. I've tried the other music sites, and generally > have > gotten miniscule response; I've run mp3s on my own server with the > same, > even with heavy publicity. Nothing tops the exposure I've gotten from > mp3.com, especially since I'm consistently in the top 10 for Idaho and > get > in listeners who would never ever consider my style normally. > > It also helps I'm #1 in the Experimental/Post Rock genre, but who's > bragging? :) > > 93/156 > > > == > the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 > http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com > ================================================================= > "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much > property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file > ================================================================= > http://www.reverendrob.com : feedback and echo MP3s From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 17:20:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08085; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:16:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:16:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Bad-Idea: su; rm -rf / X-Echoplex: Sound on Sound Activated X-Prerequisite-Blasphemy: Invert me under the stars Message-Id: <4.1.20000629150949.020f94c0@63.227.242.56> X-Sender: reverendrob@63.227.242.56 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:09:52 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: the Reverend Rob Subject: Re: If an mp3 sits on an un-hit website, does it make a sound? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <2hJl0.A.Z9B.cx7W5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On or around 10:12 AM 6/29/00 -0600, Mark Sottilaro said: >Two things. Community and exposure. mp3.com spends a shitload of cash to put >itself in the public eye, and while I'm not looking to be a rockstar, it would >be nice to have people here what I'm doing. If an mp3 sits on an un-hit >website, does it make a sound? Nope..it doesn't. I started plugging my mp3.com site ( http://www.mp3.com/thereverendrob) consistently, and voila! I suddenly have listeners, and private album sales and interest in what I'm doing. While I may not be too fond of their corporate policies or the fact that they cater mostly to burgeoning rock stars, I am fond of the fact that I'll be receiving a check for $150 or so in the next couple weeks for playbacks. 93/156 == the Reverend Rob ICQ: 1280871 http://www.realm-of-shade.com .`. .`. .`. .`. http://www.qblh.com ================================================================= "I prefer not to kill people, but I'd like to destroy as much property as possible." - Grace Slick, from the Airplane FBI file ================================================================= http://www.reverendrob.com : feedback and echo MP3s From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 17:28:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08482; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:27:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:27:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <395BBED1.820E1C38@best.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:25:37 -0700 From: Allan Hoeltje X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Alto Rocks Again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry, I have to put in a plug for Alto Music again. I decided some months ago that I was finally going to get a Yamaha FS1R tone generator. I searched every dealer in the S.F. Bay area and found nothing except for one mail order place that said it was no longer in production. Email from Yamaha said they occasionally do make small batches and send them to some dealers and gave me the name of one. That dealer (not Alto) said they'd call when it came in and they wanted pretty near the full price. Then last week I got a call from Alto. I forgot that I had called them and apparently they must have told me they'd call back if they ever saw an FS1R. They just got a batch from Yamaha and they were $400. With dropped jaw and over extended Mastercard in hand I jumped on the opportunity. It arrived this week. To use a Californian phrase normally reserved for half-caf no-fat latte, the FS1R is TOTALLY AWESOME! Thank you Alto Music! -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 17:28:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08483; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:27:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:27:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:24:56 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: RE: in-Ear Monitors? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA08391 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Or is there some sort of compression/limiting device in the earpiece? If not, i wouldn't put those things in my ears unless it was MY soundman (which to date, i've never had...) or if i was really familiar with the gear/room/etc. There's usually a belt pack, either wired or wireless, which includes some form of compression or hard limiting as well as some mix options... you in left, band in right... plain stereo... > On a positive note, i recently had custom molded earplugs made for me, and from what i understand, you can use these same molds to create the earpieces for in-ear monitor systems. They are terribly comfy... You bet... you're half way there. The wired Garwood M-Pack is around $400 bucks and you could have the little drivers fitted to a pair of earmolds. Check with the HEAR organization... Here's a few URL's dealing with IEM's... http://www.bandaland.com/clients/hearnet/text/inear_monitor.html http://precisionweb.com/ http://www.sensaphonics.com/products/index.html http://www.earmold.com/main.htm http://www.headwize.com/tech/inear_tech.htm -Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 17:38:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08759; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:37:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:37:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000629213557.8451.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:35:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Echoplex cycle question To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David, I can't check this because I am away from an edp, but check your switchquant setting. I believe a given loop will always begin where it was last left playing. So if switchquant = on, it will go to the nextloop (say loop 2) at the end of a loop boundary (the end of loop 1). Thus, when you come back to loop 2, it will be at the beginning of that loop (loop 2, since you left loop 1 at the end of that loop). If you have switchquant = off, then you are able to go from loop 1 to loop 2 ANYWHERE inside loop 1, thus when you return to loop 1 you are at WHATEVER point you left loop 1 to go to loop 2. If what I say is correct, you want to set switchquant = on. Again, this is from memory, I can't check it with an edp right now. bret --- david auker wrote: > Hi, > > I've a Gibson Echoplex set up for 6 loops. When going to the "Next > Loop" it seems I arrive at the cycle that was upcoming last time > there. > Is there any way to always arrive at the 1st cycle, in other words, > the > beginning of the loop? > > David > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 17:51:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08950; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:49:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:49:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tomr@pop.interport.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <395BBED1.820E1C38@best.com> References: <395BBED1.820E1C38@best.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:48:51 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Alto Rocks Again Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Sorry, I have to put in a plug for Alto Music again. I decided some >months ago that I was finally going to get a Yamaha FS1R tone >generator. I searched every dealer in the S.F. Bay area and found >nothing except for one mail order place that said it was no longer in >production. Email from Yamaha said they occasionally do make small >batches and send them to some dealers and gave me the name of one. That >dealer (not Alto) said they'd call when it came in and they wanted >pretty near the full price. > >Then last week I got a call from Alto. I forgot that I had called them >and apparently they must have told me they'd call back if they ever saw >an FS1R. They just got a batch from Yamaha and they were $400. With >dropped jaw and over extended Mastercard in hand I jumped on the >opportunity. > >It arrived this week. To use a Californian phrase normally reserved for >half-caf no-fat latte, the FS1R is TOTALLY AWESOME! already gone! dammit. on ebay... whatta drag... /t ...electronic a capella madness ......... ...extreme internet radio ... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 17:58:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09115; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:57:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:57:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <395BC76A.361B@hevanet.com.> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:02:18 -0700 From: david auker X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex cycle question (careful exits?) References: <20000629213557.8451.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bret wrote: > I believe a given loop will always begin where it was last left > playing. Is this true? If so, when returning to play thru a multi-looped progressive composition, one has to be careful to have left each one during its last cycle, otherwise you'll drop in somewhere in the midst of the overal looop? David From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 18:24:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09446; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:22:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:22:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000629222229.20544.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:22:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Echoplex cycle question (careful exits?) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David, Like I said this is from memory, I could be wrong. I use switchquant = on usually, and brothersync with 3 edps, so I tend to end loops at the end before going to a next loop. If I end a loop midstream, it is usually because I am ready to record that loop anew, so in this case I never return to it (midstream). Regardless, I agree one must be careful where he left the last loop, even if you never return to it. It could be musically confusing to leave a loop in an odd place. Musically confusing can be good, though. You can use mute to re-trigger an existing loop from the beginning, depending on how you set mutemode (mutemode =start). bret --- david auker wrote: > Bret wrote: > > > I believe a given loop will always begin where it was last left > > playing. > > > Is this true? If so, when returning to play thru a multi-looped > progressive composition, one has to be careful to have left each one > during its last cycle, otherwise you'll drop in somewhere in the > midst > of the overal looop? > > David > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 18:39:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09690; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:38:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:38:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20000629223755.22262.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:37:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Echoplex cycle question (careful exits?) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com David, This return behaviour can be used musically. With switchquant = off, if you leave the loop 1 midstream on a beat and bar boundary (hit nextloop goto loop 2), then you can return to loop 1 on the beat and bar boundary, where you left off. Thus, if you structured loop 1 well, and plan your nextloop timing, you can insert loop 2 for a while (a musical digression), and hit nextloop on a loop 2 beat/bar boundary (goto loop1 again) and it will make musical timing sense, and return the listener to the familiar ending of loop 1. bret --- david auker wrote: > Bret wrote: > > > I believe a given loop will always begin where it was last left > > playing. > > > Is this true? If so, when returning to play thru a multi-looped > progressive composition, one has to be careful to have left each one > during its last cycle, otherwise you'll drop in somewhere in the > midst > of the overal looop? > > David > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 19:18:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10197; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:17:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:17:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101bfe220$d0b95160$0101a8c0@pavilion> From: "Brian Mulvey" To: References: <200006291620.MAA04416@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Digitech Multiplay Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:21:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Curious about these little beasts.. anyone use one? Digitech Multiplay, pds 20/20. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 19:35:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10389; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:34:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:34:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:33:50 EDT Subject: Re: Boomerang is loud To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've found both the Boomerang and the Headrush sensitive to overload/clipping when using active pickups - at least on a tapping instrument (Stick/Warr Guitar). From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 20:19:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10636; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:18:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:18:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:09:43 -0700 From: "Mike Biffle" To: , Subject: Re: Boomerang is loud Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id UAA10594 Resent-Message-ID: <6PJwYC.A.tlC.pc-W5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey! The pendulum finally swings the other way... It was mostly the EDP where people complained about this before. Maybe the playing field IS level. I've found that you've just gotta be damn careful about layering, boosting to play louder, and other stupid gain tricks that you rarely get in trouble for when NOT looping. On a tangential but related topic... Is the EH 16 second delay a digital box or is it bucket brigade? If it is actually analog... that could explain it's magical, friendly-like, loveable demeanor. (Making it at least a little more desireable in my book...) -Miko >>> PMimlitsch@aol.com 06/29 4:34 PM >>> I've found both the Boomerang and the Headrush sensitive to overload/clipping when using active pickups - at least on a tapping instrument (Stick/Warr Guitar). From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 20:22:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10769; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:21:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:21:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:19:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Unit Circle Media To: "looper's delight" Subject: Re: bad nights, loose whiskey... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: unitcirc@keys.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've learned that the last thing I do before playing is to make sure that every cable is plugged in. It's now pretty automatic, just got pedal to pedal and push on the cable. I learned this after an amazingly lame show I had on tour where I had a very simple set up (four pedals from bass to amp, in series) for a solo set and I just couldn't get any volume out of the setup and it was really distorted. I fought with it for a few seconds in front of a very large crowd and then just gave up and turned everything up as high as possible and tried to play through it. It was a pretty weak set, because the whole time I was scanning my pedals looking for a weak battery or loose cable to no avail. Finally when I was packing up at the end of the night, I had discovered that one of the cables was almost, but not quite, plugged into a pedal. Plugged in enough that I couldn't tell it was unplugged, but I could feel it pop into place when I touched it! If you're like me and unplug your battery-operated pedals after you set up, it's definitely worth the extra twenty seconds to make absoultely sure everything is plugged in all the way before you begin. Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 21:06:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11113; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:04:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:04:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <395BF1F3.95ECBF0F@minds-eye.org> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:03:48 -0400 From: Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digitech Multiplay References: <200006291620.MAA04416@hemlock.violacea.com> <004101bfe220$d0b95160$0101a8c0@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm a long time owner of a Multiplay 20/20 and would strongly recommend it to anyone looking for a great delay pedal. Up to 2 seconds of delay with a hold pedal that allows you to basically sample and hold a delay, press the footswitch, add some more, close it again and so on until you can stand no more. Plus, the addition of a sort of chorus/flanger (I'm not sure what they call it but it doesn't quite sound like either in my opinion. A nice modulation effect but it can get overused quickly) that can be added to the delay (up to 1 second I think). This was really my first effects pedal and I still hold it in high esteem. In the days of the DL4 it may not be worth a whole lot of cash, but if you find one for under, say $75, its a pretty nice piece of gear. Does that help? Kevin Brian Mulvey wrote: > Curious about these little beasts.. anyone use one? > > Digitech Multiplay, pds 20/20. > > Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 21:23:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11300; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:22:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:22:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <67.62bca8b.268d500e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:21:18 EDT Subject: Re: in-Ear Monitors? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/29/00 8:09:50 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, rich@nuvision.com writes: << i recently had custom molded earplugs made for me >> oh my!........does it ever end?...........i want some..............michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 21:44:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11489; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:43:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:43:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:42:32 EDT Subject: Re: Boomerang is loud To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 6/29/00 11:18:16 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, mbiffle@svg.com writes: << Maybe the playing field IS level. >> miko.........what do you mean?...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 22:42:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11696; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:41:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:41:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <395C09FF.6571@hevanet.com.> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:46:22 -0700 From: david auker X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex cycle question (careful exits?) References: <20000629223755.22262.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bret, Thanks for the insightful tips on cycles w/in loops! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jun 29 22:54:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11863; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:52:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:52:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <395C0C84.6941@hevanet.com.> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:57:07 -0700 From: david auker X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex cycle question (careful exits?) References: <20000629223755.22262.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> <395C09FF.6571@hevanet.com.> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bret, Oops! I hit "send" before I was done with my message! > Bret, > > Thanks for the insightful tips on cycles w/in loops! > Anyway... I'm sure some 'Plexers out there can put your tips to use - Exiting at the right time to preserve a graceful "re-entrance" can be intuitive, and probably the way it's set up offers more freedom anyway? ;-) David =============== Bret wrote: > > David, > This return behaviour can be used musically. > > With switchquant = off, if you leave the loop 1 midstream on a beat and > bar boundary (hit nextloop goto loop 2), then you can return to loop 1 > on the beat and bar boundary, where you left off. > > Thus, if you structured loop 1 well, and plan your nextloop timing, you > can insert loop 2 for a while (a musical digression), and hit nextloop > on a loop 2 beat/bar boundary (goto loop1 again) and it will make > musical timing sense, and return the listener to the familiar ending of > loop 1. > bret > ========== > --- david auker wrote: > > Bret wrote: > > > > > I believe a given loop will always begin where it was last left > > > playing. > > > > > > Is this true? If so, when returning to play thru a multi-looped > > progressive composition, one has to be careful to have left each one > > during its last cycle, otherwise you'll drop in somewhere in the > > midst > > of the overal looop? > > > > David From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 30 05:13:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12610; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 05:11:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 05:11:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006401bfe26a$c0d5a1a0$b99cb8d4@oemcomputer> From: L.Angulo@t-online.de (Luis Angulo) To: References: Subject: Re: Boomerang is loud Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:58:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Sender: 320086123907-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Also make sure you have it set up to instrument if you are runing any electric guitars etc. Luis > >I just picked up a boomerang last week and when I plugged it in, I found it > >to be very loud. Through adjusting the I/O levels on the back, I found I > >could get rid of the hiss, but then the until would start clipping. > >Basically, it looks like I can either have the clip light be constantly on, > >or deal with a lot of background noise. For any of you with a boomerang, > >does yours do this too, or do I need to send this baby in as defective? > > > >-Steve > > It's been my experience that the I/O setting on the rang is pretty touchy. > I found the spot where it works with my setup and marked it on the back. > One of the bad things about the rang is that the input level control gets > knocked around almost every time I pack it up. Play around with it and see > if you can find the semi-sweet spot where it's not clipping too often and > not too noisy. > > ____________________________________________ > Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org > Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic > Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- > ____________________________________________ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 30 10:42:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13318; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:23:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:23:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601bfe29f$2bc6f5c0$484c0518@c625478b> From: "Steve" To: References: Subject: Re: Boomerang is loud Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 07:26:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <5963w.A.mPD.q0KX5@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yep, that would be why. I've got Bartolini J-style pickups and they are super hot. no tapping, just slapping. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 4:33 PM Subject: Re: Boomerang is loud > I've found both the Boomerang and the Headrush sensitive to overload/clipping > when using active pickups - at least on a tapping instrument (Stick/Warr > Guitar). > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 30 13:32:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14044; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:27:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:27:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701bfe2b7$e5672d20$c73c5cd1@-> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #171 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:22:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #171 June 29, 2000. On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Dutch synthesist Ron Boots. The feature CD at Midnight was the "Bookworks" disk from the six disc collection "The 80's Box" on the Groove label. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Wendy Carlos Brandenburg Concerto #3 Switched On Boxed Set Highlights in G minor - III Allegro (East Side Digital) Mark Sarno In the Shadows Passages Through and Beyond (Kinesis) Djam Karet Dark Clouds, No Rain Suspension & Displacement (Eurock) VA [James Johnson] Drift Ambient Landscapes 2 (Dark Duck) Vidna Obmana & Frozen Breath True Stories (Mirage) Jeff Pearce Steve Roach & Gone from Home Vine Spark & Spore (Timeroom) Jorge Reyes 12:00 am Ron Boots The Stand Bookworks (Groove) Ron Boots Goodbye Bookworks (Groove) Ron Boots The Amber Sage Bookworks (Groove) Ron Boots Khazad Dum Bookworks (Groove) Ron Boots Morranon Bookworks (Groove) Ron Boots Paths of Deaths Bookworks (Groove) 1:00 am Ron Boots Mojave Bookworks (Groove) Dweller at the Illumination Parts 1-4 Dweller at the Threshold Threshold (Eurock) Tony Andersen Echo Valley Offshore Destination (Timescape) Wave World Structures II Structures (Quantum) Robert Carty Medicine Quest * Sertonin Ashram (Deep Sky) 2:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I'll begain a month-long focus on Craig Padilla. The feature CD at midnight will be "Music for the Mind - LIVE, Volume One" which is an MP3.COM D.A.M. (Digital Automatic Music) CD. Bill billfox@fast.net http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html ============================================================================ Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. Personal site: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jun 30 14:51:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from nihilist@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14437; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 14:48:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 14:48:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 14:48:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin X-Sender: alevin@red To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Dark Aether Project this week in CT & NY Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey folks, Here's a heads up on our two upcoming concerts in the next week: Sat July 1st (DAP is scheduled to play at 7pm) Elks Pavillion 148 Roberts St Hartford CT This appearance is part of the Mandelbrot Festival which runs 6/30-7/1 See http://www.cleefo.com/mandelbrotsets.htm for more info Fri Jul 7th 8pm Morrill Theater 127-6 Smithtown Blvd Neconset NY (Long Island) (631)979-5942 $15 admission @ door See http://www.canis-minor.com/ for more info Both performances will feature psychedelic light shows These will be the last scheduled shows for a bit as we get back to finishing off material for the next studio album. We're also working on the possible release of live material from our June 8th show at The State Theatre in Virginia which featured 20 minutes of all new material and some semi-radical rearrangements of earlier material. As always, stay tuned! -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/